Dear Sam:
Thank you so much for the info. Just ordered Que's Special Editon Using
StarOffice by Michael Koch (for Linux only) the 15,50+ pages version
from Macmillan (http://www.mcp.com).
Benjamin
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On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 03:53:22PM +0800, Mr-X- wrote:
well why do they charge you $20 ? for there code...
Because they're the ones with the driver that you want. It's your choice:
write the code yourself, buy the driver from OSS, or go without sound.
why should they get our money while most
Dear R_Yeo:
Thank you so very much for your suggestions. Will try them first thing
tomorrow when I get up.
Thanks again.
Benjamin
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On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 10:35:24AM +, Benjamin Sher wrote:
Dear Sam:
Thank you so much for the info. Just ordered Que's Special Editon Using
StarOffice by Michael Koch (for Linux only) the 15,50+ pages version
from Macmillan (http://www.mcp.com).
Just as a "head's up" to people,
I don't know about how update keeps track of what needs installing, but when
you did the update, did Mandrake-update reload the available updates list? It
should have, and the screen package should not have been on the list at that
time (following the update). Check that the package was
Hi Sam,
To have HotMetalPro on Linux would be incredible. There really is
nothing close to that on Linux right now.
Jeanette
Sam wrote:
Hi Jeannette,
SoftQuad has a webserver package for Linux. Maybe if people start pestering
them, they'll consider porting HotMetalPro- which is an
I have seen the Package in the store. Not sure what it includes. You
might still be able to find it. I think that Sun has already made a lot
of improvements to Star Office in version 5.1a. Now you don't have to
go through the arcane registration process. Now if they would fix the
Java and
Benjamin Sher wrote:
Dear Hugh:
First make sure your Netscape (all windows) is CLOSED.
Use the following command:
tar -xzf Fortify-1.4.5-unix-x86.tar.gz
Then cd to the Fortify directory (Fortify-1.4.5-unix-x86) and type as
root:
#./Fortify.sh
When it asks you for the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 11:38:20AM +0800, Mr-X- wrote:
i have a key generator already from linuxcracks
I agree with Steve's post $20 is not much for the work 4front as put
into this. I haven't had to use this in Mandrake but in Caldera and my
Laptop I was glad to
Is it the Notebook that is not detecting the PCMCIA slots, or the system? If
Linux is not finding the PCMCIA slots, then Linux may be looking for the slots
under resources being used by the sound card (remember that when you turn on
PnP in the BIOS, the settings for all devices may be changed
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 10:35:24AM +, Benjamin Sher wrote:
Dear Sam:
Thank you so much for the info. Just ordered Que's Special Editon Using
StarOffice by Michael Koch (for Linux only) the 15,50+ pages version
from Macmillan (http://www.mcp.com).
When the install asks if you have any SCSI devices, answer "yes". In the LILO
set-up screen, check the "use linear" checkbox. This tells LILO to work with
your HD in a manner which is compatible with the SCSI interface. I don't know
if this is what you did before, but if not, maybe it will be of
I use KPPP in the KDE desktop, and I didn't have to set any priveliges.
However, if you use Linuxconfig, in the ppp section there is a check box to
allow all users to use ppp.
Ernie
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999,Richard Salts wrote:
| What user privileges do I, as root, enact to be able to enable an
/boot
Ernie
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999,art-nj wrote:
| I am trying to compile ftape and keep getting errors. I think it is
| because I have not properly specified the location of the kernel. I
| am running mandrake 6.0. Which directory would contain the Kernel?
|
| Your help is
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And a replacement package for the kernel problem is coming soon, right
MandrakeSoft?? :)
Haven't forgotten anyone i swear, I think i've just about got this stable
so as i can actualy compile things with 'make -j' and know it's not gonna
flake out
Whoops! Dumb me, I responded to this a few ago, and told him /boot ! Wasn't
thinking about the compile.
Ernie
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 07:45:35PM -0400, art-nj wrote:
| I am trying to compile ftape and keep getting errors. I think it is
|
Personaly, I'd give sun a few more weeks to get organized then ask them :)
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Benjamin Sher wrote:
Dear friends:
Before StarOffice was bought by Sun, it was offered free for personal
use by StarDivision. There was also the option to purchase it for $39.95
from
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 06:25:32PM -0700, Richard Salts wrote:
What user privileges do I, as root, enact to be able to enable an ordinary
user to be able to dial up the Internet and use browser, e-mail, chat, etc?
The only thing you have to do
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Ty Mixon wrote:
For some reason if I update ksirc beyond the 6.0 version it breaks.
Instead of connectiing to a server it starts to, then just dies.
What I'd like to do is go back to my old ksirc, but it's part of the
kdenetwork package and I don't want to downgrade
I used the StarOffice 5.1 from StarDivision in Windoze95, and was not impressed.
5.1a is better organized, looks and works better. It runs faster, at least on
my old box, and the installer is easier to use. YMMV,
Ernie
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999,Benjamin Sher wrote:
| Dear friends:
|
| Before
Jeanette Russo wrote:
I have seen the Package in the store. Not sure what it includes. You
might still be able to find it. I think that Sun has already made a lot
of improvements to Star Office in version 5.1a. Now you don't have to
go through the arcane registration process. Now if
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 06:25:32PM -0700, Richard Salts wrote:
| What user privileges do I, as root, enact to be able to enable an ordinary
| user to be able to dial up the Internet and use browser, e-mail, chat, etc?
|
| The only thing
Call me lazy, but I just use the KDE archiver tool. Navigate to the file you
wish to extract, Rt-Click the file, select Archiver, then in Archiver,
File/Extract to ... Then I select the location where I want to decompress the
archive, and "OK". I don't learn as much about using tar, or gzip, but
Maybe I'm just cautious, but I get it from Windoze. I like to do a single
install at a time. That way, I know if there is a problem, and I may have a
better chance of doing something about it (This may be superstition, but
remember my PC roots). I know you can do multiple updates, because the
Hi Steve,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mandrake mounted my windows partition during the install as a read only device-
That's EXTREMELY useful for a beginner. None of the others did or even asked to.
Why, exactly, is it helpful to have the Windows partition mounted? There's
nothing but
wow steve i fear your ability to forward emails from a list to
companies that proly get so many emails a day they delete it all.
and i didnt boast about cracking it.. someone asked if i decompiled
it to crack it and i said i used a keygen.. so again, blow me you geek.
eye fear joo :)
Mr-X-
On
Dear Folks,
Regarding Fortify. I have the 128-bit encrypted Netscape. The version
that requires you to swear you are a Canadian or American citizen to
download.
The bottom line is I tested it on Fortify's site. They said the
encryption is military weapons grade and I don't need their
Whenever I try to start my paralell ZIP drive (with "modprobe ppa" as
root), I get the following message:
/lib/modules/2.2.13-7mdk/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: Das Gerät oder die
Ressource ist belegt
parport: Das Gerät oder die Ressource ist belegt
(which means "occupied" or "busy")
lsmod shows:
Hey, all...just a reminder that the Mandrake RPM of Netscape is the
Libc5 version, and if you go to get "plugger" or any other C-version
specific plugin, you need to get the libc5 version, not the GLIBC2
version. :-) Mandrake itself may use glibc2, but the Mandrake RPM of
Netscape is using the
It's the 5th time I send a message about Netscape to the list, and it
never appeared ! What's happening ?
I attached it to my mail.
Are messages about Netscape filtered ?
Hello list,
I have the following problem with Communicator (version 4.61 or 4.7)
under
Mandrake 6.1 :
I
This specifically deals with KDE. I can't start it up.
Here are the messages:
failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1'
Thanks to the very person who got me *into* Linux, I have the answer
for you. Or, at least a "work-around". Personally, I would like to
know **WHY** this should even be
Some mailer readers may not be handling attachments well so it may be
better, seeing as you attachment is small and not really in need of
being an attachment, to just put it in the body of your message.
Secondly, Composer in Netscape running under Linux is broken, this is
well documented in the
Dear Jeanette and friends:
You need to fortify Netscape Communicator and Netscape Navigator
separate. After you fortify Communicator, quit Fortify, then reenter the
Fortify directory and restart it with ./Fortify.sh and this time choose
option 2 for your directory (as before) and type
My Netscape wasn't US standard mine was international or in other words 40 bit.
I hate our govt. policy on encryption
Hugh
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Dear Folks,
Regarding Fortify. I have the 128-bit encrypted Netscape. The version
that requires you to swear you are a Canadian or
I think we won't see the 'real good' games for Linux until we have 3D
acceleration other than 3dfx for our beloved OS.
If you want to play in Linux anyway yuo can get a game console emulator, like
SNES9X. It rocks, and you'll find ROMs everywhere. If interested, go to
www.snes9x.com. If you
Dear Bertalan:
With a cartridge inserted in my 100 Zip parallel drive, I su - to root,
then switch to /
It will not work with [root@root]#
You have to be [root@ /]#
Hope this helps.
[sher@adsl-77-232-189 sher]$ su -
Password:
[root@adsl-77-232-189 /root]# cd /
[root@adsl-77-232-189 /]#
Dear Bertalan:
I forgot:
To unmount, you also need to be at [root@ /]
[root@adsl-77-232-189 /]# umount /mnt/zip
[root@adsl-77-232-189 /]#
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I don't have a SoundBlater Live soundcard, but I have seen many recommend
this URL for intructions on setting up your SoundBlaster Live soundcard
(personally, I own a SoundBlaster AWE 32). Check it out:
http://www5.zdnet.com/zdtv/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,3656,2259636,00.html
I Absolutely agree. That's what I was trying to convey earlier. Thanks for
helping me out.
Matt
From: "Singer XJ Wang" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Fastest Download Site
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:27:49 -0300
I hate to say this,
Hi,
I had mandrake 6.0 running on my machine and I tried to install 6.1. I got
a message with SIGSEGV(11) in it.
The upgrade stopped and I couldn't boot my machine. Now when I tried to
reinstall when I get to the part where the partitions are formatted the
process stops and I get a message with
Axalon
Are you a Mandrake person? (As in employed by them?)
If so... have you heard anyone else having the problem as I did with
Postfix?
keep in mind, I actually use my install to receive email for several people
and relay for my home users, so I am using the mail server for what it can
do,
Both best buy and compusa are selling redhat for 19.95 plus tax. The box also
includes star office 5.1 on a seperate cd. The star office cd has the sun
emblem on the cd cover. Seems like a pretty fair deal.
Rick
-- "I don't want to swim in a roped off sea," JB
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 06:37:03AM -0600, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And a replacement package for the kernel problem is coming soon, right
MandrakeSoft?? :)
Haven't forgotten anyone i swear, I think i've just about got this stable
so as i can
Hello,
I'm installing linux-man., version 6.0 and configure mouse for generic
ps/2 and just about every other mouse in the list. But when I
get to the xconfig part, I can see the test box but can't use mouse to
click ok, then I have to quit and reboot to the non-graphical linux.
The
John Aldrich wrote:
Hey, all...just a reminder that the Mandrake RPM of Netscape is the
Libc5 version, and if you go to get "plugger" or any other C-version
specific plugin, you need to get the libc5 version, not the GLIBC2
version. :-) Mandrake itself may use glibc2, but the Mandrake RPM
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 09:14:09PM +, Alan_N wrote:
John Aldrich wrote:
Hey, all...just a reminder that the Mandrake RPM of Netscape is the
Libc5 version, and if you go to get "plugger" or any other C-version
specific plugin, you need to get the libc5 version, not the GLIBC2
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
I think we won't see the 'real good' games for Linux until we have 3D
acceleration other than 3dfx for our beloved OS.
Ummm. . .im gonna have to disagree with that. Is Q3 not a "real good game?"
Granted its mainly a multiplayer game, but it's a "real good"
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 03:53:22PM +0800, Mr-X- wrote:
Just as a warning, I'm forwarding this thread to OSS. If we can't shame you
into being honest, maybe they can convince you.
Good call steve. Personally one of the things that makes Linux so neat is
that
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Today I tried installing Fortify into netscape. But I ran into a problem
When I try to UN zip the file I get an alarm that says it doesn't know -xf-
I'm using this command
gzip -dc Fortify-1.4.5-unix-x86.tar.gz | tar -xf-
what am I doing wrong? I'm really bad
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 10:10:46PM -0400, John Aldrich wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, you wrote:
What is a core dump??? and why do you get them???
Core dump is a memory dump of a crashed program. Instead of a "blue
screen of death" like you get with
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 04:50:25AM +, Ty Mixon wrote:
On my box the commands are also shortened to ifup and ifdown.
They're different commands. Do a 'which ifup' and 'which ifconfig' to see.
Yeah...but you can probably accomplish the same thing with
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, you wrote:
I saw HereticII at ALS a weekend or so ago It rocked! :-) I'm
going to have to give up this video card and get a 3d card, I
think... :-)
John
Wow cool! yes linux games are coming along quite nicely from what ive
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
After installation and testing at www.fortify.net (README file online),
you should consider repeating the procedure to fortify
netscape-navigator as well.
Where is Netscape Navigator I didn't see that only Netscape-Communicator
when I did Fortify?
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On my box the commands are also shortened to ifup and ifdown.
Hmm...well, I suppose you're correct. I'm just telling it the way I
learned it. As the old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin
a cat. :-)
John
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Today I tried installing Fortify into netscape. But I ran into a problem
When I try to UN zip the file I get an alarm that says it doesn't know -xf-
I'm using this command
gzip -dc Fortify-1.4.5-unix-x86.tar.gz | tar -xf-
what am I doing wrong? I'm really bad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is damn confusing. How do you tell? How do you know?
You can tell what libraries an application is linked against using the
command:
ldd application
Because of all the "behind the curtain" work to get Netscape even resembling
stable, you'll
A couple of quick questions
1. I am using Mandrake 6.0 and would like to us VMware ver 1.1 which
requires xfree86 3.3.4 and ver 6 of mandrake only uses 3.3.1 What is
the simplest way of getting this done.
2. I have a soundblasrter live. I can get the cd player to work as a
cd player, but
Dear friends:
How do you see the bottom of the Utilities menu. The menu is so long
that it is cut off at KPilotdemon. So what do you do?
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Dominique Deleris wrote:
It's the 5th time I send a message about Netscape to the list, and it
never appeared ! What's happening ?
I attached it to my mail.
Are messages about Netscape filtered ?
John Aldrich wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
After installation and testing at www.fortify.net (README file online),
you should consider repeating the procedure to fortify
netscape-navigator as well.
Where is Netscape Navigator I didn't see that only
M Thompson wrote:
I don't have a SoundBlater Live soundcard, but I
have seen many recommend
this URL for intructions on setting up your SoundBlaster Live soundcard
(personally, I own a SoundBlaster AWE 32). Check it out:
When I first installed Linux I had a "Diamond Sonic Impact" sound card.
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Well, I was planning on probably getting a Voodoo3-2000, since my
system doesn't have AGP. If it did, I'd probably use this TNT I have
lying around. :-)
John
Supposedly (or as near as one
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
A couple of quick questions
1. I am using Mandrake 6.0 and would like to us VMware ver 1.1 which
requires xfree86 3.3.4 and ver 6 of mandrake only uses 3.3.1 What is
the simplest way of getting this done.
www.xfree86.org. . .i think the most recent stable
I should have specified that I am using Linuxconf to configure another user
and when I use the 'users' box and come across the 'privileges' box, my
question regarding that is what should be granted and denied?
I already have configured the PPP and POP box for users to use but each
time I log on
Yeah, maybe I was wrong
El dom, 24 oct 1999, escribiste:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
I think we won't see the 'real good' games for Linux until we have 3D
acceleration other than 3dfx for our beloved OS.
Ummm. . .im gonna have to disagree with that. Is Q3 not a "real good
I know the feeling...
what I wound up doing was editing the menu structure so Utilities now goes to 2
submenues (Utilities a -k and Utilities l -z) with all the apps moved to their
respective submenu.
Of course, next time I install an RPM that makes an entry into the utilities
menu, I'm going to
Dear friends:
I have recently started using StarOffice. I was quite surprised to
discover that SO has its own Web Browser WITH Java. I have used it and
am quite impressed. SO's File Manager is also its Web Browser, just as
in KFM. The quality seems good except that the fonts look better in
Hello! I bought and installed Linux-Mandrake 6.5. When I mount the CD-ROM
from the console, I get messages that say read "linux/Documentation/cdrom/sbpcd"
and "configure sbpcd.h for your hardware".
Where is this documentation located? I can't find a /linux directory anywhere.
Can someone tell me the obvious mistake I am making !
I have L-M 6.1 Helios
I have setup printers on RH and L-M before, However the properly
connected printer, used before the 6.1 upgrade is not being detected
when I attempt to "add printer" in printtool?
The conf.modules has the line I
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 06:10:24PM -0400, John Aldrich wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 04:50:25AM +, Ty Mixon wrote:
On my box the commands are also shortened to ifup and ifdown.
They're different commands. Do a 'which ifup' and 'which ifconfig' to
Axalonyou left off the .com part of the below URL and in that
condition it doesn't work.
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/people/
Alan
Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, R. 'Trebor' Groves wrote:
Axalon
Are you a Mandrake person? (As in employed by them?)
Dear Andrew:
Thanks for the suggestion. I guess I'll have to do the same. :-(
Thanks again.
Benjamin
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Dear Andrew:
Could you put me out of my misery, please :) and show precisely how to
move a menu item from one submenu to another? I created the submenu
Utilities II, so now I have Utilities I and Utilities II (I always said
I was a mathematical genius!). Now, for the life of me, I can't figure
Every 20 minutes, a message with the time,date,hostname and -- MARK -- shows
up on the screen when I tail the messages file. What is this?
Thanks,
Steve Sykes
I am still having problems with my SB Awe 32 .. i get an error when i
boot about the isapnp.conf file .. which i assume sets the irq dma
etc
Is there a way to manually set these??
Thanks in advance
Todd
Hello,
My first visit to this list -- having problems configuring my mouse after
installing Linux (Mamdrake) 6.5. Have been lucky enough to clunk my way
around via the keyboard, found a few games and text editors.
Graphics is a problem as well, using a Dell 15" Trintron monitor
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Dear friends:
John Aldrich, I think, just mentioned that Mandrake's Netscape 4.61 is
in effect a lib5 version and not a glib2 version? If that's so, could
someone, preferably from Mandrake, explain this. Is there a reason for
this? And what does all this
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
My brother is putting linux on his machine. He is having problems with his
video card (tnt nvidia 32mg) trying to install mandrake 6.0. He finally got
the probe to work. But when he rebooted it took him to Xwindows and everything
was huge. The tool bar took up
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Dear Folks,
Regarding Fortify. I have the 128-bit encrypted Netscape. The version
that requires you to swear you are a Canadian or American citizen to
download.
The bottom line is I tested it on Fortify's site. They said the
encryption is military
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
%_It's the 5th time I send a message about Netscape to the list, and it
never appeared ! What's happening ?
I attached it to my mail.
Are messages about Netscape filtered ?
First, Please double-check that you're posting in plain, ascii text.
Well ,you shouldn't have to wait too long. Nvidia and SGI are working with Mesa to
help develop access to hardware accelration for openGL under Linux. The API's are
suppposed to be released in Mesa 4.0 which they estimate will be out before the end
of the year.
Sam Walker
Guillermo Belli wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Hmmm. I'm a bit confused. I thought RH 6.0 and above including Mandrake
was glibc2.. Can you explain this?
Mandrake RedHat are glibc2. However, due to a problem of a newer
glibc than RedHat (from a message you may already have read) there
may be problems
Well still working with printtool here :-(
A reboot got my lp0 detected finally this time. Dont know why it didn't
before.
So a "Print ASCII directly to port" gets the test line ok the first try
Second try it gets cockeyed though still prints
"Print ASCII test page" gets files qued but no
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Hello! I bought and installed Linux-Mandrake 6.5. When I mount the CD-ROM
from the console, I get messages that say read "linux/Documentation/cdrom/sbpcd"
and "configure sbpcd.h for your hardware".
Where is this documentation located? I can't find a /linux
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Well, I was planning on probably getting a Voodoo3-2000, since my
system doesn't have AGP. If it did, I'd probably use this TNT I have
lying around. :-)
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, you wrote:
Well its not in here so I guess its not installed. Why whould you have
both Navigator and Communicator seems redundant?
Jeanette
Well, there are times when you don't need all the communicator stuff,
but I agree...it probably is redundant. :-)
John
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 06:10:53AM +0400, Steve Sykes wrote:
Every 20 minutes, a message with the time,date,hostname and -- MARK -- shows
up on the screen when I tail the messages file. What is this?
It's just a marker so you can see that the system logs are still running.
It might be useful
On the Mac there is a great commercial DNS server analysis tool called
"DNS expert" available that queries a DNS server and looks for
misconfigurations and security issues for any given domain name you
choose. However, it is a hundred bucks and I cannot justify that for the
limited use I have
When I try starting my Apache web server with: /usr/sbin/httpd -f
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
I get the messages: BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 57:
elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed!
Anyone know what it is trying to tell me?
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