The challenge: To boot the oldest os on contemporary hardware. :)
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Creating the Windows 8 user experience
This is an interesting
The challenge: To boot the oldest os on contemporary hardware. :)
It's too easy to cheat with VMs these days. I got Win95B OSR2 running overnight
in a VMWare Player. I had to download a DOS 6.22 book disk IMG file, mount that
in the VM to get a mock CD drive, run setup from the 1998 vintage
...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
|Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012 12:19 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview (addendum)
|
|http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-
|experience.aspx
|
|Creating the Windows 8 user
: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
|Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012 12:19 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview (addendum)
|
|http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18
]
On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:41 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview (addendum)
Wasn't that many years ago I had 3.1 running of a USB on my tablet PC.
Managed to play solitaire on it ;) But I missed Norton's desktop.
Sadly last time I tried the USB
ROFL
He'll be defending it soon...
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
:P
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:
FYI
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-ex
perience.aspx
Creating the Windows 8 user experience
This is an interesting history lesson and explanation of where they think
they're headed with Win8. I'm far more sympathetic after reading that.
The screen
FYI
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/final-thoughts-on-windows-8-a-design-disa
ster/20706
This article from June mirrors most of my initial feelings. Especially when
he says Even at this late stage in the game, it still feels to me like
Windows 8 is two operating systems unceremoniously
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
:P
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:
FYI
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/final-thoughts-on-windows-8-a-design-disaster/20706
** **
This
Open people on win 8, then search for a non-existing name , eg ## or ** or
something so as the search results come up empty. Now using only keyboard and
mouse get back to displaying the entire list without having to enter in a valid
search first (that is navigate back to the people list). Post
PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: win 8 challenge (was RE: Win8 Release Preview)
|
|Hmm maybe it was just me but I didn't have an issue with you scenario:
|
|Keyboard: type search, enter to bring up search results, alt-tab to go
people app,
|tab and/or direction keys to navigate through search
not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 5:43 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: win 8 challenge (was RE: Win8 Release Preview
(was RE: Win8 Release Preview)
|
|Search results empty, then try to get back to full list. Or even search
results just a
|few, then try to get to full list
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
||Sent
I said wp7 would fail in the first three years of its birth. I said
Silverlight was ear marked for depreciation along side WPF and now I say
Win8 will fail in consumer uptake.
WP7 has been cancelled?
sorry Greg, you indicated that you thought it's more confusing now,
I completely disagree as the metro guidelines are very strong)
A web search for Windows 8 design guidelines produces some possibly useful
information, and some of it is frightening. Where are the technical
guidelines for
or opinions expressed are the author's own
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 8:06 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
sorry
to my needs. Basically, anything advanced is not being done on wp7 as it
restricts so much the apis.
Anthony
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 8:06 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Win8 Release
Ltd.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of ifum...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 8:55 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
I agree, i have found that Microsoft is changing the development paradigms
so often that i have
PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
I said wp7 would fail in the first three years of its birth. I said
Silverlight was ear marked for depreciation along side WPF and now I say
Win8 will fail in consumer uptake.
WP7 has been cancelled?
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote:
“sudden paradigm change”???. Metro design language has been around for at
least 2 years as part of the Windows Phone development story. They’ve
talked about it at virtually every major Microsft dev event since,
|Full screen apps are a sudden paradigm change. I mean ... I am running MSN
|Messenger at 2560 x 1440 and I can fit about 15 messages on the screen. And
I
|have to keep switching back and forth between work and GigantorMessenger to
|see what has most recently been said. WTH.
I think full screen
:43 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
State of the art? ...VS i can subscribe to but you're not talking about Blend
right?...right?
How do you foresee them getting out from under Silverlight-centric API's in WP7
and opt for a more uniform approach via Win8 unified platform
They've talked about it at virtually every major Microsft dev event since,
including the new interface for Xbox.
I haven't attended any phone presentations, only ones that are vital
interest to what I'm writing now or in the foreseeable future, and it's a
struggle just to keep up to date with
Full screen apps are a sudden paradigm change. I mean ... I am running MSN
Messenger at 2560 x 1440
Likewise ... my screen is the same size and filled with gigantic candy
coloured slabs one at a time, mostly empty space. This full screen technique
has got to go and change somehow, it's dog
...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
|Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 9:50 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|
| By hybrid I mean allow metro apps to run in sizeable windows, allow
new
Pty
Ltd.
** **
*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
*Sent:* Friday, 8 June 2012 9:43 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Win8 Release Preview
** **
State of the art? ...VS i can subscribe to but you're
are the author's own
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 10:12 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
Yeah I disagree on that one. Adobe
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Win8 Release Preview
** **
** **
I said wp7 would fail in the first three years of its birth. I said
Silverlight was ear marked for depreciation along side WPF and now I say
Win8 will fail in consumer uptake.
** **
** **
WP7 has been cancelled?
...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
*Sent:* Friday, 8 June 2012 10:12 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Win8 Release Preview
** **
Yeah I disagree on that one. Adobe Edge for example still spanks Blends
butt on the whole HTML5 front even though it's
Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
|Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 9:50 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote
Greetings all,
I've been staying out of this conversation because I hadn't actually
used windows 8. I decided to install it and see what all the fuss was
about. So my impression after a couple of minutes poking around
follows:
I decided the UI design was terrible within seconds. It's clearly
One in five housewives found that apps wasn't as good as search. Nine
out of ten developers on this sampled agreed that I made up those stats.
:)
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, David Richards
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com wrote:
Greetings
to the right... makes a lot more sense with
newer wide screens
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
|Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 10:27 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|the only
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
|the only plausible explanation I can think of to removing the start button
is -
|After 20+ years of habitual usage we think its time you stop taking an
emotive
|dependency on the bottom left.
Huh ? I
I agree, I always have my task bar at the top or side. With multiple
monitors, it goes on one of the secondary monitors.
David
If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
-Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
On 8 June 2012 10:50, Bill McCarthy
...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
|Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 10:49 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|One in five housewives found that apps wasn't as good as search. Nine
out of
|ten developers on this sampled agreed that I made up those stats.
|
|:)
|
|---
|Regards
Dang, I meant left ;)
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 10:51 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
|
||the only plausible explanation I can think
Folks, I've downloaded and installed Win8 preview and I've only been using
it for 20 minutes or so.
So I get a big candy coloured Start screen and there is absolutely nothing I
want on that patronising childish screen, so I go to the desktop and find
there are no menus or buttons anywhere to
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
Folks, I've downloaded and installed Win8 preview and I've only been using it
for 20 minutes or so.
So I get a big candy coloured Start screen and there is absolutely nothing I
want on that patronising childish screen, so I go to the desktop and find
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Enhancing-Windows-8-for-multiple-monitors
Works like this on my home setup.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Halid
Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 6:21 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
hey Greg. This is exactly what I've been fearful of from the moment the
first screen shots leaked. Its ugly, and in my mind, a big mistake. Nothing
I've read about or seen has changed my mind on that so far.
I've always been bleeding edge. Always. I'm doubtful now. The ugliness and
strange
Welcome to the future. Going forward you will be developing directly
on your phone, so it makes sense that you can run all of your software
on your phone. Your phone will be super powerful and you'll plug it
into a dock at work giving you keyboard, mouse and multimonitors. The
windows desktop is
Chaps,
Andrew and Stephen, if you have become productive on Win8, then I am tempted
to pay you for tutorials. Do have a specific example of familiar daily tasks
that work in some superior way? What's this pinning you like, can I try
it?
I hadn't thought about the corporate training side
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:
Chaps,
** **
Andrew and Stephen, if you have become productive on Win8, then I am
tempted to pay you for tutorials. Do have a specific example of familiar
daily tasks that work in some superior way? What’s this “pinning”
@ozdotnet.com
*Subject:* RE: Win8 Release Preview
Chaps,
** **
Andrew and Stephen, if you have become productive on Win8, then I am
tempted to pay you for tutorials. Do have a specific example of familiar
daily tasks that work in some superior way? What’s this “pinning” you like,
can I try
IMO, windows 8 is close, but it could be a lot better. I love the windows
phone like UI **concept**, and I love the idea of the similarities between
the different form factors, BUT the current release preview looks to me to
be designed for content consumption not content creation. Where, for
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
IMO, windows 8 is close, but it could be a lot better. I love the windows
phone like UI **concept**, and I love the idea of the similarities between
the different form factors, BUT the current release preview
Agreed. If Win8 can handle being 4th to market in a fairly mature
marketplace.
You think tablets are mature market? I would think this market is still in
nappies. It is still anyone's game.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed. If Win8 can handle being 4th to market in a fairly mature
marketplace.
You think tablets are mature market? I would think this market is still in
nappies. It is still anyone's game.
In tech, being 2
:* Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:24:21 AM
*To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
*Subject:* Re: Win8 Release Preview
Agreed. If Win8 can handle being 4th to market in a fairly mature
marketplace.
You think tablets are mature market? I would think this market is still in
nappies. It is still anyone's game.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
IMO, windows 8 is close, but it could be a lot better. I love the windows
phone like UI **concept**, and I love the idea of the similarities between
the different form factors, BUT the current release preview
You think tablets are mature market? I would think this market is still
in
nappies. It is still anyone's game.
In tech, being 2 years late to market is an eternity.
I don't really agree. Windows was late to market and became leader. Excel
and Word were late and became leader. iPad was
: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 9:19 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|
| IMO, windows 8 is close
/acoat
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 9:41 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.aumailto:bill.mccarthy.li
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Coates (DPE AUSTRALIA)
andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:
I’m not sure I get the yearning for a start menu. Maybe I use it
differently from others, but the metro screen lays out my commonly used
apps nicely, and anything else I need I can find just by
:41 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Win8 Release Preview
** **
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
IMO, windows 8 is close, but it could be a lot better. I love the windows
phone like UI **concept**, and I love the idea
...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Coates (DPE AUSTRALIA)
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 9:58 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
|
|I'm not sure I get the yearning for a start menu. Maybe I use it
differently from
|others, but the metro screen
[mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 10:09 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|
|
|On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Coates (DPE AUSTRALIA)
|andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:
|
|
| I'm not sure I get the yearning
AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|http://media.bestofmicro.com/E/F/329703/original/4667.Keyboard_2D00_short
|cuts_2D00_for_2D00_Windows_2D00_8_5F00_5756566F.png helps
|
|Win+Q = search for apps
|Win+W = search for settings
|Win+F = search for files
|
|The the first one
Only if you navigate by mouse. Type, don't click.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
I fear the new start screen will get just as messy as the old start menu
did. In fact, the lack of folders or popups from the start menu will mean a
lot of
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com wrote:
You think tablets are mature market? I would think this market is still
in
nappies. It is still anyone's game.
In tech, being 2 years late to market is an eternity.
I don't really agree. Windows was late to
I installed win95 on my home pc when I was a teenager. After about 1/2 hour
of not understanding the differences the impatient teenager in me went back
to dos and typed deltree win95...
Since then I've decided to embrace the fact that there's generally pretty
good reasons why big movers like MS
...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 9:41 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
IMO, windows 8 is close, but it could be a lot better. I love the windows
phone
Nieuwkerk
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 10:39 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|Only if you navigate by mouse. Type, don't click.
|
|
|On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|
| I fear the new start screen will get just
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Greg Kennedy gkenne...@gmail.com wrote:
I installed win95 on my home pc when I was a teenager. After about 1/2 hour
of not understanding the differences the impatient teenager in me went back
to dos and typed deltree win95...
Heh. I've been using Windows
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|I just started thinking of that metro screen as a full-screen start menu and my
|yearning for one went away.
|
|Joseph
|
|On 07/06/2012, at 9:58 AM, Andrew Coates (DPE AUSTRALIA)
|andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:
|
|
|
| I’m not sure I get
Popup's on a phone or tablet? On my Windows Phone I have never seem a popup
dialog. And on my iPad popup alerts are pretty simple to click.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
Well worse. Popups area lot more keyboard/mouse friendly than having
Only if you navigate by mouse. Type, don't click.
And if it's a tablet?
Swipe and touch. I have a three year old that mastered it a day. My one
year old is already getting the hang of it. It is sooo easy.
This whole discussion reminds me of when Office 2007 came out and everyone
cried
not lowest common
denominator.
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:06 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
|
|Popup's on a phone or tablet? On my Windows
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
You totally missed the point that on the desktop you will have to
horizontally scroll.
You don't have to horizontally scroll, just type what you want.
-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:10 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
|
|You know that the mouse wheel will scroll horizontally on the start screen,
right?
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
[mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:10 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
|
|You know that the mouse wheel will scroll horizontally on the start
|screen,
right?
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP
Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:43 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Win8 Release Preview
I just started thinking of that metro screen as a full-screen start menu and my
yearning for one went away.
Joseph
On 07/06/2012, at 9:58 AM, Andrew Coates (DPE AUSTRALIA)
andrew.coa
.
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:56 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Win8 Release Preview
|
|Exactly. Once you get over the initial shock for the transition from
The latest Win8 preview is available - I saw an AU URL mentioned somewhere.
But in reading the Building Windows 8 blog article
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-e
xperience.aspx the link to a video
The latest Win8 preview is available - I saw an AU URL mentioned somewhere.
I've been waiting for a Win8 preview disc to arrive as a part of my MSDN
Premium subscription, but it never does. I suspect things have changed and
these days developers are expected to download such previews. Does
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