AFAIK, there is only one place in my town (Charlotte, North
Carolina, USA) that still does b&w. They charge $13 for an
8x10. Let's see $13 cost minus $5 net equals negative $8
profit. These are customers you don't need.
--Tom
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>
> Harry Baughman wrote:
> >
> > yes . she a
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>
> Harry Baughman wrote:
> >
> > yes . she a few days ago and said she found someone to do it.
>
> Feel lucky: if they don't want to pay your exceptionally reasonable fee,
> they won't want to pay for decent printing, either. A friend of mine
> doing a wedding just last
Harry Baughman wrote:
>
> yes . she a few days ago and said she found someone to do it.
Feel lucky: if they don't want to pay your exceptionally reasonable fee,
they won't want to pay for decent printing, either. A friend of mine
doing a wedding just last week got an e-mail from the client,
Thankyou for sticking up for me. Some people just
can't take a joke.
> Raimo K. wrote:
>
> >This is absolutely the best mail from you. Do it!
> Maybe you´ll bother some other list afterwards.
>
> Now what kind of language is that!? You should be
> ashamed of yourself!
> This is against any prot
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> Aihe: Re: Fairy pics
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> >Think it's time to drop my MZ-30 off a cliff ;)
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s bothering lists.
(And it's not petite miam's camera that should be dropped off a cliff...)
Lasse
All the best!
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Think it's time to drop my MZ-30 off a cliff ;)
> No, seriously though, I have had many offers since
> the PZ-1P for assistance
> to becoming "re-enabled", ranging from clearcut
> donations, to extremely
> cheap offers of sales, to outright "you can borrow
> this for as long as you
> like"... So
Tanya's Australian, so it's "mum".
> > I think sometimes it takes a special kind of
> masochist to work
> > with children.
> Called a "mom", if I have the vernacular correct.
> :-)
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Harry Baughman wrote:
> yes . she a few days ago and said she found someone to do it.
Your lucky day :^)
as in my earlier post, I would have done a non-complicated
roll of 24 in such a situation - but they would need to also
foot the film & processing costs.
yes . she a few days ago and said she found someone to do it.
Harry B. wrote:
> Since this message concerns pricing work i would like some thoughts on
> this situation. i was ask to take some photos of two children ages 7 and
> 5. i said i would since i like taking photos of kids. i would
Harry B. wrote:
> Since this message concerns pricing work i would like some thoughts on
> this situation. i was ask to take some photos of two children ages 7 and
> 5. i said i would since i like taking photos of kids. i would have had
> to travel about 2 miles to the location , use one roll
Just remember, a living wage is just a little bit more than you make.
"Provencher, Paul M." wrote:
> Suffice to say that it shouldn't take 20 years... But real life does demand
> an income that keeps up with your lifestyle (I may have that backwards :-).
> Paul M. Provencher
> (ppro)
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a
thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz)
> FWIW here is one on eBay that is most likely SMC - check the coating
colors
> and S/N -
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a
d
fairly cheaply (I have sold the plain ST's in complete working order for
between $100-$150)
Paul M. Provencher
(ppro)
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From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Fairy pics/Pho
: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:40 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
>
>
> David,
>
> The only way to get a Super Program in black is to get a
> Super A. Those are
> scarce in the States, and some Americans will pay a premium
> to get one.
David,
The only way to get a Super Program in black is to get a Super A. Those are
scarce in the States, and some Americans will pay a premium to get one. KEH
charges more for the Super A than they charge for an SP in the same
condition.
"David P. Chernicoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A bro
Agreed
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Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:27:34 -0400
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Subject: RE: Fairy pics
I disagree to some extent, but my opinion might come off
From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:54:52 -0400
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Fairy pics
I guess it takes all kinds in this world.
One salesman at my photo store constantly shows me his pictu
For my 1995 wedding, the wedding pro wanted something like $2000. Well,
we're talking about a wedding comprising about 15 total people, counting
the bride, groom, and their families. That was too rich for my blood.
Not being aware that my request might be a big deal, I also asked whether I
could
he plain ST's in complete working order for
between $100-$150)
Paul M. Provencher
(ppro)
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.etc
> (ppro)
&g
Todd wrote:
> Of course, as photographers we instantly see this kind of stuff, but when
> Joe Sixpack picks up the brochure, does he see it or even care?
He may not be aware, I agree - but he can tell the difference
even if he's unaware that he is doing so. Succinct, non-jar
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> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:31 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz
>
>
> Thanks for the running com
I disagree to some extent, but my opinion might come off a little arrogant
so bear with me...
I do admit that when you take money to do a job for a client, you have to
please them. And if you happen *not* to be very well known, regarded, etc,
you may have to do work in a style that pleases your
Hi,
I am jumping in late but just wanted to reinforce what some folks said.
When I studied photography, one of our instructors told us that, assuming
technical competence and good business behavior, and of course getting the
shots, it is a bad idea to undervalue your work, even from the beginning
Bucky wrote:
> Don't believe a word Bill says; we're all filthy rotten pigs up here in the
> frozen wastelands.
Speak for yourself! I have a woman who does my laundry, so that makes
me a clean, freshly-scented pig. And if she ever reads this, I'll
probably be back to doing my own laundry. A
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Peter Smith wrote:
> That's your choice Tanya but I think use of the word "fairy" in your
> business name may associate you too strongly with children's portraiture.
Why? Not all the fairies are Peter Pan's companions.
M.K.
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David Chernicoff wrote:
"The mild ones are the
stories about customers who come in to complain that the color photocopy
enlargements they did themselves of the 5x7 they bought (not wanting to
spring for 8x10) doesn't look good."
I really don't think I want to hear about the not-so-mild to hot st
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Sent: April 11, 2001 6:20 PM
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Subject: Subject: RE: Fairy pics
O M G, now THAT is an insult to ANY photographer. To date, I have been
considering (because they have all been paying for
While there are people here that may complain that this
thread is OT. The fact that there are so many replies
indicates that we find it interesting. Besides old
farts like me just love to give advice, especially
to someone who may listen.
--Tom
Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote:
>
> Doug Brewer wrot
Tom V wrote:
"This guy is obviously an ass."
True, I agree that he is, but he is also a rich one who is making lots of
$$$ from this town by being just that
BTW, I have FINALLY gotten through reading/replying to all of the
digestsI am yet to respond to those who communicated to me off-l
Bucky wrote:
"I resolved to give them enlargements as a wedding gift, and made an album
of
4x6 proofs for them to look over, not telling them that any they chose would
be presents (partly as a test, to be honest, since they had made no mention
of paying me for my materials). I just suggested tha
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From: "Tanya & Russell Mayer"
Subject: Subject: RE: Fairy pics
I can't say that I would have
> been as polite as you in this situation, Bucky...you are to be
commended for
> having such self control!
>
> fairy.
Like me, Bucky is a tr
Tanya -
One business issue to remember -If you think a too high price is keeping
customers away, you can always have a sale. If you've built a base on cheap
prices, you'll lose a lot of them when you try to raise the price to what
you're worth.
A good friend of mine and his brother have a pho
Big Eating Grin
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To: "Pentax Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:57 PM
Subject: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
> Doug Franklin wrote:
>
&
Treena Harp wrote:
"Sadly, this attitude applies no matter what skill you possess. I'm a
skilled
and experienced seamstress, but I utterly refuse to sew for other people. I
tried to out of the goodness of my heart for friends, but when I did,
suddenly I was treated as a servant -- they wanted EVE
Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote:
>
> However, (now please don't attack me for being naive or over-sensitive
> here), as most of you know, I have alot of stuff posted on Photo.net. NONE
> of my stuff has ever received a critique rating of above 4 or 5 on that
> site, I have this guy here in town (yep
Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
>
> The only time you are charging too much is when you can not get
> customers at that price.
Of course, if that's the cheapest price in town, you don't want those
customers anyway.
> Another thing to think of is that in my experience people who
> look only for price ar
Hi, Tanya,
Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote:
> The mother of the little fairy in the shots I posted earlier
> said to me that the thing that really
> "got" her about the shots I took was that they have so much "heart", and
> that I went to great lengths to consider the
> child's and the parents belief
Peter Smith wrote:
> I did it and got lots of praise for the results around the office. Not once
> was I even offered the cost of film and processing let alone thanked. My
> view was that a token thanks such as a bottle of Scotch might have been a
> reasonable gesture.
Today my fairyizing cli
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Sent: April 11, 2001 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Yep 100%. I shot a wedding for friends and spent upwards of $400 on film
and processing. They also had a pro wedding photog
Yep 100%. I shot a wedding for friends and spent upwards of $400 on film
and processing. They also had a pro wedding photographer. The pro shot the
wedding party and entrance to the church. I shot the actual ceremony and
the reception (and piggybacked on the pro earlier).
I was extremely happ
Sadly, this attitude applies no matter what skill you possess. I'm a skilled
and experienced seamstress, but I utterly refuse to sew for other people. I
tried to out of the goodness of my heart for friends, but when I did,
suddenly I was treated as a servant -- they wanted EVERYTHING for free, wer
An opposite experience I had. And also to address the previous thread about
being amateur and using older gear. I shot a wedding last year just for fun, it
was my oldest friend's wedding. They are not short of cash (read very wealthy)
and hired the best photog in town. Hassies, assistants, the ful
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> I have too many friends who don't ask for enough up front for weddings
> and the like, and then when faced with demands from the client for cheap
> prints or the like ("Twelve dollars for an 8x10? I can get one done at
> Wal-Mart for six!"), they find themselves not makin
You just don't know me very well yet. I think someone coined the term
"dirty ol man" after they met me ;-)
William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Guess I should have waited with my response. I think I just
> found a kindred soul.
>
>
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From: "Ken Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: April 11, 2001 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
> Guess I should have waited with my response. I think I just
found a
> kindred soul.
You are much more p
A couple of comments:
As to selling yourself cheap, don't do it! First, you won't get the
respect that you deserve for your work, and second, how will you finance
that new PZ-1p body you need now that the last one took a tumble at $100
per shoot? I've done cheap work before (and I continue to d
William Robb wrote:
> You still don't believe me? Look at all the photofinishing
> complaints generated on this list. You think companies like
> Wal-Mart have done photographers any favours by making
> photofinishing a low profit game? What do you think suffered
> when the cost of a roll of pho
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:40:15 -0800, Bill D. Casselberry wrote:
> <...> like low-cost favors to certain artsy-type
> and dancer friends on low budgets. !8^D
Particularly to the spectacularly attractive and under-clad. :-)
TTYL, DougF
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:55:48 -0500, Treena Harp wrote:
> I think sometimes it takes a special kind of masochist to work
> with children.
Called a "mom", if I have the vernacular correct. :-)
TTYL, DougF
PS. No, the rest of us can't mask out the noise they make like you can.
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John Francis wrote:
"Sounds pretty darn cheap to me! By the time you work out an hourly
rate (accounting for *all* the time you are there, waiting for kids
to be ready), and adding processing, preparation and book-keeping time,
you're probably working at below minimum wage, and with no allowance
John Francis wrote:
> Tanya wrote:
> > I have decided at this stage to charge au$200 per session . . .
> > I do not put a "limit" on my shooting time, . . .
> > In doing it this way, my costs are about au$20 for film, au$90 for
> > processing. I will make about au$100 per shoot . . .
> Soun
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From: "Tanya & Russell Mayer
Subject: Fairy pics
I think you are selling yourself WAY to cheaply.
You should be charging that much per hour, not per shoot.
William Robb
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Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote:
>
> I have decided at this stage to charge au$200 per session . . .
> I do not put a "limit" on my shooting time, . . .
> In doing it this way, my costs are about au$20 for film, au$90 for
> processing. I will make about au$100 per shoot . . .
Sounds pretty darn c
Fairy wrote:
> My first love is fashion, however, lack of
> resources and also lack of a qualified teacher is very impeding where
> fashion is concerned, so I may have to just resign myself to viewing all
of
> the pretty models in the pretty dresses in the expensive magazines...
> fairy.
>
Ya
Tanya,
You're right to ask these questions of yourself as you are presented with
your first opportunity to make a few dollars through photography. I'm going
to make a few observations, not to discourage you, but to hopefully
enlighten you.
1.) If your friend with the two daughters showed the sho
Paul Stenquist wrote;
"Hi Fairy,
Some beautiful pictures here. I particularly love the BW of the grouped
flowers, the flower toppling over in the vase, and the baby on the
cloud. (I guess I'm a softy.) Many other good shots as well. Nice work.
Paul"
Thanks for taking the time to view my pics and
Hi Fairy,
Some beautiful pictures here. I particularly love the BW of the grouped
flowers, the flower toppling over in the vase, and the baby on the
cloud. (I guess I'm a softy.) Many other good shots as well. Nice work.
Paul
Tanya & Russell Mayer wrote:
>
> Hi all, well, I have had an incredibl
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