Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

n and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 3:42 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging I notice that Amazon is selling RDA for Kindle @$120, w

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

I notice that Amazon is selling RDA for Kindle @$120, which seems to be within the range of college textbooks these days. To quote: " This e-book contains the 2013 Revision of RDA: Resource Description and Access, and includes the July 2013 Update. This e-book offers links within the RDA text an

Re: [RDA-L] Question about multiple authors on an OCLC record

Isn't the decision based on whether the manifestation in hand represents a revised edition of the original work or a new work in itself? If it's simply a revision, changing the creator/work relationship seems problematic. If the changes have resulted in a new work, then a new creator/work relat

Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA

(KC) I am really asking about variant access points for the works. If there is an authorized access point for a work under an author's real identity, and we have decided that he/she is so well-known that none of his/her alternate identities need to be given life as NARs in their own right,

Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA

PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:45:08 +0000, Arakawa, Steven wrote: "The question came up, as I recall, at one of the Bibco training sessions, with Voltaire as the example. If I recall correctly, the trainer referred to R

Re: [RDA-L] Pseudonyms under RDA

The question came up, as I recall, at one of the Bibco training sessions, with Voltaire as the example. If I recall correctly, the trainer referred to RDA 9.2.2.3: "When choosing the preferred name for the person, generally choose the name by which the person is commonly known. The name chosen c

Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

When training, I like to use the LC cataloging for ISBN 9781401310646 (LCCN 2011015148). The record was cataloged following AACR2, but it’s easy to see how a fictitious character AAP would be used in RDA. This is clearly not a pseudonym situation. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training &

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

u suggested the name of the publisher, as in "Sea (Vanity Press)". But it could just have easily been something like "Sea (Poetry anthology : 2005)" or many other formulations. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: Arakawa, Steven

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

tor, the publisher, bookstores, library selectors, researchers, etc.). It makes considerably more sense to have the following AAPs: Smith, John. Nature Smith, John. Sea > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > A

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

iginal Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, > Steven > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:01 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] alternative titl

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

What I was thinking of was: 100 Smith, John 240 Poems. Selections 245 Nature / poems by John Smith and Joan Jones. 700 12 Jones, Joan. Poems. Selections. In catalog: 245 Nature : festschrift for Jacques Cousteau. If 100/240 is eliminated: 130 Nature (Vanity Press) 245 Nature / selected p

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

If all work/expression AAPs are entered as 700 a/t analytics, the title in 245 is exposed and the incidence of conflicts requiring 130 would increase substantially, no? And if pcc requires an AR for the 130, that would mean more authority work or, more likely, fewer bib records coded as pcc. Als

Re: [RDA-L] Punctuation at end of 250 field

Adam, that has always been my understanding. If I recall correctly, in the very early introductions to RDA done by Judy Kuhagen, the double punctuation was pointed out; I believe the PS was updated later to avoid the absurdity. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalo

Re: [RDA-L] Dagger symbol

RDA 2.4.1.4. states "Transcribe a statement of responsibility as it appears on the source of information." This is the default rule. There are specific guidelines under LC PCC PS 1.7.5 for handling symbols that can't be reproduced in the transcription. However, there is an Optional omission und

Re: [RDA-L] Illustration terms in 7.15.1.3

I can't offer much help in situations 1.-3., but I do catalog a lot of brochures for one of our special collections devoted to color-- sales "catalogs" for paint and fabrics, where the paint chip and fabric samples need to be distinguished from the period illustrations that are also featured (a

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designators in LC Records

I believe so. LC practice (as distinguished from PCC practice) is to require RDs only for illustrators of children's books, although that doesn't mean LC catalogers cannot make individual decisions to add RDs in other categories. And I see the PCC guidelines more as best practice rather than man

Re: [RDA-L] Correct use of relationship designators for corporate bodies

y Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, > Steven > Sent: Monday

Re: [RDA-L] Correct use of relationship designators for corporate bodies

A question on relationship designators and corporate bodies that perhaps someone with more expertise can explain. Appendix I, I.2. is divided into 2 sections. I.2.1. Relationship designators for creators and I.2.2. Relationship designators for other persons, families or corporate bodies associa

Re: [RDA-L] Names of conferences as title proper, other title information or statement of responsiblity

Based on the layout in the scan, I would have transcribed the 100. Deutscher Bibliothekartag as the title proper, Bibliotheken fur die Zukunft as the other title, and Herausgaben von Ulrich Hohoff etc as the statement of responsibility. I would have provided variant access for the other title.

Re: [RDA-L] Content notes

I believe there are guidelines in LC PCC PS 25.1.1.3? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metada Services Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original Mes

Re: [RDA-L] Recording (large print)

^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu<mailto:asch...@u.washington.edu> http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~~~~~~~~

Re: [RDA-L] Recording (large print)

In the original question, it isn't clear where (Large print) would be entered in MARC 300. In AACR2 MARC records, it is entered in 300 $a per 2.5B23, but there isn't a corresponding instruction in RDA. In RDA extent (300 $a) is limited to the number of units and subunits (3.4.1.1). Since Large p

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

RDA 2.4.2.2. lists the same source as the title proper only as first in order of preference. Second in order of preference is another source within the resource. I believe it is the other title that must come from the same source as the title proper, but the SoR is not covered by the other title

Re: [RDA-L] Interviews & expressions

How about a translation of the interview? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metada Services Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu From: Reso

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization of approximately in 300

Curiously, in AACR2 2.5B7, the initial term in the extent examples is "ca." which is now "approximately" in RDA, but it's "ca." not "Ca." Was AACR2 being inconsistent with ISBD in the examples? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metada Services Sterling

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

the same source as the title proper" so clearly it also applies to situations where there is no parallel title proper, only parallel statements of responsibility.) So, what's going on here?? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise System

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

If you have a single title proper and statements of responsibility in multiple languages, I think 2.4.2.4. applies: "If a statement of responsibility relating to title proper appears on the source of information in more than one language or script, record the statement in the language or script

Re: [RDA-L] Publication date/copyright date

Per LC PCC PS 2.8.6.6 adding the copyright 264 _4 field is optional as long as 264 _1 doesn't have [date of publication not identified]. LC training's best practice is to supply an inferred date instead of [date of publication not identified] since when the "not identified" filler is used, RDA

Re: [RDA-L] Matter of possible concern

There is no equivalent to LCRI 25.8/25.9 (adding a date to Works/Selections) in RDA or the LC PCC PS as far as I know, so maybe you don’t have a problem? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metada Services Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University P.O. Box 208

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

Joan, I think you're assuming that an authority record will be created for every new name cataloged under RDA. In practice, I doubt this will happen.. Does AACR2 state explicitly that affiliations are to be left out of the statement of responsibility? I don't see anything in 1.1F7 that seems to

Re: [RDA-L] [Un]bracketed page numbers

LC PCC PS 1.7.1. Punctuation in Notes. 3. Square brackets. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metada Services Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Origina

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

I believe the LC PCC PS for 1.7.1 (the section on end punctuation of variable fields) does allow the cataloger to avoid the absurdity of adding an additional period when the edition statement ends with an abbreviation. I've often wondered why we can leave off the brackets in 240 or "ISSN" in the

Re: [RDA-L] back to: Re: [RDA-L] RDA dtst t + a 264 documentation

Current LC & PCC practice for 2.8.6.6 is in the LC PCC PS, which is up to date in the Toolkit; recording the copyright date in 264 _4 is optional (not mandatory). The copyright date was mandatory (core) during the RDA testing, so it was routinely applied during that period. See the January 11 20

Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?

I don't think the definition of color would apply to illustrations, since the rule explicitly excludes black and white or shades of grey. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)4

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:15 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields From: Resource Description and A

Re: [RDA-L] Title proper vs. other title information / tables as other title information

There is an LCRI that could be applied in this situation: 1.1F15 "When illustration statements such as "117 photogravure plates, 26 colour plates," "with 115 illustrations," "illustrated with 10 woodcuts," etc., appear in the chief source, omit them unless 1) an artist or illustrator is named in

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

I was also concerned about clarity in both training and MARC 246 applications if in practice we used "variant title" for what I would have called the "other title" on the cover. Reworded the guidelines would result in: "If the presentation on the cover is ambiguous -- the variant title could po

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

But whether the statement of responsibility is not clear is a cataloger decision, so there is no requirement implied? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240  (203)432-8286 steven.ar

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

Did I understand this correctly? 1. Parallel title proper on the cover but not on the title page: transcribe parallel title from cover as part of the title statement transcription (in MARC 245) without brackets. (which has been my practice) It's hard to imagine any justification for recording

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designators for commentators and corporate bodies Was: Relationship designators (with typo corrections; thanks

Appendix I definition: "writer of added commentary": A person, family, or corporate body contributing to an expression of a work by providing an interpretation or critical explanation of the original work. I do not think of authors of introductions as writers of added commentary; these seem to b

Re: [RDA-L] Exhibition catalog relationships

r funny-looking to the AACR2-trained eye, but is logical and reasonably transparent. What are other people thinking? On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Arakawa, Steven mailto:steven.arak...@yale.edu>> wrote: On the topic of linking in the earlier thread, what would be the relationship for

[RDA-L] Exhibition catalog relationships

On the topic of linking in the earlier thread, what would be the relationship for the Group 1 category for exhibition catalogs in these situations? a. An exhibition catalog and a commercial publication of the catalog. 775 $i Related (manifestation): ?? b. A travelling exhibition wh

Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction

that OCLC control number is mandatory. If it is not, there would be no problem. Thanks again, Joan On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Arakawa, Steven mailto:steven.arak...@yale.edu>> wrote: I don't think you can use 533 since it is intended to apply to the reproduction. I was wo

Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction

I don't think you can use 533 since it is intended to apply to the reproduction. I was wondering if 534 $p should read Reproduction of (manifestation): . The current LCPS uses 775 or 776, but both examples seem to assume an existing catalog record for the original, but a linking control number

Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question

The record doesn't appear to be following the current LC PCC Policy Statements. The 347 field I believe applies to the online resource, not the printed version. Since RDA emphasizes showing relationships to the extent possible, you might find a useful model in the LCPS 27.1.1.3 Referencing Relat

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

Kevin, you're right--thanks for pointing this out. The example would have been helped with an additional 3xx for the primary content/media/carrier type. However, I still think the fields themselves could be translated into more comprehensible terms in the OPAC, especially if labels were assigned

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

We don't display the new 3xx fields in our OPAC either; I've always thought it was obvious from the controlled, technical vocabulary used in $a & $2 that 336-338 $a and $2 were not intended for display. However, in our system the fields are keyword indexed. In the current and near future catalog

Re: [RDA-L] "Date of publication not identified" & DtSt, Dates

I don't recall that anyone has mentioned that during the RDA test period, the copyright date was core. Since 264 had not yet been implemented, it would explain why 260 fields in RDA records include both the publication date and the copyright date or the inferred publication date and the copyrigh

Re: [RDA-L] accompanying material

Refer to LC/PCC PS 3.1.4 Lots of examples given. 336, 337,338 can be repeated. See MARC 21 for Bibliographic Records for examples. If the accompanying material differs, use separate 33x's where applicable. See also the LC Training Materials, Module 1. http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20train

Re: [RDA-L] Quick question about RDA 2.4.1.8

I think that is the intention. It was brought up as an RDA change from AACR2 at an early ALA pre-conference I attended. AACR2 1.1F12: "Treat a noun phrase occurring in conjunction with a statement of responsibility as other title information if it is indicative of the nature of the work." RDA 2.

Re: [RDA-L] Examples of RDA records with field 264

Under 2.8.6.3 there is an example May 2000. Under 2.8.1.4 "Record dates of publication applying the general guidelines on numbers expressed as numerals or as words given under 1.8." Under 1.8.2 the instruction is to record numerals in the form preferred by the cataloging agency. Current LC pract

Re: [RDA-L] Added elements for expressions

Since we don't enter parentheses around the series statement or add "ISSN" to it when we create MARC records, I've always assumed it was a convention that the punctuation and text would be provided by the computer when the MARC data was output as card or OPAC display. Since all of the elements i

[RDA-L] Presentations of the ALA Midwinter 2012 Copy Cataloging Interest Group are posted on ALA Connect

Forwarding for Angela Kinney. Link at the bottom of the message is to the ppt or Word presentations for Midwinter 2012 & 2011 & Annual 2011. Apologies in advance for duplication. Here's the agenda for the Midwinter 2012 meeting: ALCTS CaMMS Copy Cataloging Interest Group Dallas Convention

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility

as part of the statement of responsibility. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345 > -Original Message- >

[RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility

When I attended the RDA 101 ALA preconference, one of the things that stuck with me was the RDA rule 2.4.1.8. AACR2 1.1F12 makes a fine distinction between noun phrases that are indicative of the nature of the work and noun phrases that are indicative of the role of the person named in the state

[RDA-L] RDA content terminology

If I am cataloging a book and describe it in the physical description "other physical details" as "all color illustrations" or "chiefly color illustrations" or "chiefly illustrations" etc should the rda content term be "still image" or "text" or both? Should it have an impact on the MARC Leader?

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

Just wondering--if the statement of responsibility does not need to be bracketed (or justified) if not transcribed from the chief source--does this change the concept of "usage" in the determination of preferred form of access? What exactly is "usage" in the RDA environment? Steven Arakawa Cat

Re: [RDA-L] Justification of added entries

If a statement of responsibility is not available on the source for the title proper, the statement of responsibility for the title proper can be taken from anywhere in the resource [2.4.2.2]. If the SoR is not anywhere in the resource, the 2.2.4 rule requires a note. While only the first SoR i

Re: [RDA-L] Why RDA deals so poorly with equipment?

e University Drive St. Louis, MO. 63141 314-529-9650 fax: 314-529-9941 mmerca...@maryville.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:09 AM

Re: [RDA-L] Why RDA deals so poorly with equipment?

I'm struggling with the theoretical foundations myself, so take it with a grain of salt as I try to walk my way through it. With regard to electronic readers, library cataloging focuses on the content as modeled by the FRBR WEMI. You catalog the e-book, not the Kindle reader. You catalog the sou

Re: [RDA-L] Copy catalogers and RDA

If you're at ALA New Orleans, you might be able to pick up useful information at ALCTS CCS Copy Cataloging Interest Group Time: Saturday, June 25, 10:30-12 Location: Morial Convention Center, Room 335-336 LC Report, presented by Angela Kinney, Chief, African, Latin American & Western Europea

Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the others?

SERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:55 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the others? [Text deleted] Regarding capitalization--I looked at a sample of the all caps 100/245 Matthew Beacom ran through MARCEDIT. MARCEDIT c

Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the others?

Don't forget Miss Piggy and other fictional characters! (and real animals) Do public service staff examine catalog records to verify that access points have been justified? (Don't most brief records eliminate such notes?) Do they care if author main entry is used instead of title main entry if t

Re: [RDA-L] "actual RDA"

Or, wait for "Maxwell's handbook for RDA." I'm sure there will be a market for a how-to book or books for libraries that only need to perform original cataloging once in a while, and there will be plenty of lead time to develop such a text. As Mike implies, there will undoubtedly be a long trans

Re: [RDA-L] If we don't adopt RDA immediately

RDA records in MARC format are largely compatible with AACR2 records; it really isn't necessary to recatalog an RDA record to AACR2 at the local level. You would want to change conflicting headings to be consistent with the national authority file, but you've had to do this with preAACR2 catalog

Re: [RDA-L] Linked data

This might be of interest-- http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/alcts/confevents/upcoming/webinar/cat/031611.cfm Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@ya

Re: [RDA-L] Browse and search RDA test data

The rules for capitalization in AACR2 (and default RDA, which carries them over) are very complex and quite difficult for trainees to grasp, even more so when working with multiple languages. If one is running a minimal level project, it eats into training time, and, since it is pretty much impo

Re: [RDA-L] 300 Punctuation

I have been trying to figure out how end punctuation in MARC 21 is applied in RDA in combination with ISBD and my conclusion is that the editors of RDA & the LCPS decided to make using ISBD with RDA so complicated that the cataloging world would hasten to abandon ISBD, which I assume is one of R

Re: [RDA-L] 300 Punctuation

Some 300 fields will end with the authorized abbreviation "in." So, if there is a series, in MARC one would record "... in.." <2 full stops> but if no abbreviation, the record would end with "... in." <1 full stop>, no? But then, following North American practice, the publication area is not

Re: [RDA-L] Parallel Title Proper RDA 2.3.3

And, since the parallel titles proper can be taken from anywhere on the resource, I can imagine this being an occasional problem with the publications of international bodies. Maybe there will be an amendment or LCPS revision following testing if enough people catalog UN publications. -Ori

[RDA-L] Parallel Title Proper RDA 2.3.3

Is there no cataloger option to limit the number of parallel titles proper to transcribe? Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu

[RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Concurrent users

Since today is Sept. 1, I am assuming our subscription for x number of concurrent users is in place. We are accessing via IP address. In Cataloger's Desktop and ClassWeb, there are buttons to log out when a user session is done. I don't find one in the RDA Toolkit display. Do we just need to clo

Re: [RDA-L] New to list

In the RDA Toolkit, there is a tab for Tools, a subsection for Workflows, and a subsection under that for Shared Workflows. I've been looking at the workflow LC Staff Simple Book (Workflow) and have found it to be helpful. The rules are organized in MARC order, with links to RDA, with guidelines

Re: [RDA-L] The RDA Toolkit Workflow

Is anyone else having problems using the Workflow function? I particularly dislike the way it jumps to the beginning whenever I toggle back to the Workflow window. Is there a color or highlighter function that I'm overlooking? The program does considerable reformatting for copy pasted into it

[RDA-L] ALA Program Announcement: ALCTS Copy Cataloging IG Program

Forwarded on behalf of Tatiana Barr (see the Rolla/Ascher presentation description) Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu ALA Annual Conferen

Re: [RDA-L] RDA subscription costs&Full draft of RDA delivered

This is somewhat implied by the snippet from Marjorie Bloss below, but I'd be interested in opinions as to whether this model would work: 1. What if OCLC makes RDA available to its subscribers online, as it does with Bibliographic Formats & Standards? 2. OCLC adds an annual surcharge to its sub