Any hope of getting Mozilla to open a Seamonkey forum at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/?
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Recently several people in my office using Seamonkey have begun getting
Untrusted Connections errors using Seamonkey. SItes affected include
Google, Chase and other major websites. The errors do not occur using
other browsers including Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, Edge and Brave.
Installing or
Recently several people in my office using Seamonkey have begun getting
Untrusted Connections errors using Seamonkey. SItes affected include
Google, Chase and other major websites. The errors do not occur using
other browsers including Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, Edge and Brave.
Installing or
Is there a simple way or extension that will add an .ics file to a
Seamonkey calendar?
When I get an Invitation by email and accept it, it is added to the
calendar.
I also see "Add it to the Calendar" links on websites. But when I click
on the I get and .ics file and not way to add it to my
I inadvertently posted this a a reply to another thread. I'll try to get
it right this time.
When I receive an invitation via email I can accept the invitation and
the event is added to my calendar in Seamonkey.
When I see a link to an .ics file on a web page (like for an airline
Is there an easy way or extension to add a .ics file from a website to a
Seamonkey Calendar?
The way I see in most explanation is to save the .ics then open
Seamonkey and import it.
That seems like a lot more trouble that it ought to be.
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It happened to me when upgrading to 2.53.6
Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
Dr.J.Elz-Fianda schrieb:
I upgraded from 2.53.3 to 2.53.5.1 – all my passwords are lost.
Hi Jochen,
I cna't remember to have heard about such a problem for updates within
2.53. series.
Do you know whether also other
OK This one is solved. It turned out that our ISP reset our router and
wiped out the configuration, even though they said they had restored it.
Putting in the correct settings solved the problem.
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a small office
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a small office and one user is not getting invitations from
Lightning.
Other users with SeaMonkey using the same servers are getting them,
hers just disappear somewhere. I updated to the latest SeaMonkey
version on Windows 10
I have a small office and one user is not getting invitations from
Lightning.
Other users with SeaMonkey using the same servers are getting them, hers
just disappear somewhere. I updated to the latest SeaMonkey version on
Windows 10.
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WaltS48 wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I had to reset my Windows 10 installation. That was a bad idea. It
essentially deleted all of my programs. I'm adding back the ones I
need but I can't seem to get SeaMonkey set as the Default Mail program
so Libre Office and Foxit PDF reader (and probably
WaltS48 wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I had to reset my Windows 10 installation. That was a bad idea. It
essentially deleted all of my programs. I'm adding back the ones I
need but I can't seem to get SeaMonkey set as the Default Mail program
so Libre Office and Foxit PDF reader (and probably
meagain wrote:
Original Message
I had to reset my Windows 10 installation. That was a bad idea. It
essentially deleted all of my programs. I'm adding back the ones I
need but I can't seem to get SeaMonkey set as the Default Mail program
so Libre Office and Foxit PDF reader
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I gone into the Default applications and Windows offers SeaMonkey as one
of the mail options so I set it. It doesn't work. I suspect I need to do
something more.
Can anyone tell me how to do this?
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 7/9/2020 10:13 AM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 7/8/2020 8:39 AM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
How can I Bcc: a message to a mailing list? I want to send a "press
release" but don't want the recipients to see the other people who are
on the
David E. Ross wrote:
On 7/8/2020 8:39 AM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
How can I Bcc: a message to a mailing list? I want to send a "press
release" but don't want the recipients to see the other people who are
on the list since it contains client information.
If I create a list and in the ad
How can I Bcc: a message to a mailing list? I want to send a "press
release" but don't want the recipients to see the other people who are
on the list since it contains client information.
If I create a list and in the address book window use the compose button
the list names are added to the
Bill Spikowski wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I was attempting to use zoom in the browser, I have a need to use
webex as well. I also tried to use some of the camera test websites
and they give me a error that my browser is not compatible.
Is there some reason you want to use your browser?
My
I was attempting to use zoom in the browser, I have a need to use webex
as well. I also tried to use some of the camera test websites and they
give me a error that my browser is not compatible.
Bill Spikowski wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Like many people I have been doing web conferences
Like many people I have been doing web conferences lately. I added a USB
camers to my desktop, so I could participate more easily. It generally
works fine except it does not seem to work in seamonkey. I feel I must
be missing something. The camera does work in other browsers.
What am I doing
rob wrote:
I just checked my Windows 10 Home laptop and it works as expected. I get
a prompt to open an email attachment and it does. I don't get that on my
Windows 7 desktop.
I've now fixed my problem. I removed and reinstalled foxit PDF Reader. I
also had to set the Helper app for PDF
rob wrote:
rodney wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is it possible to install the Foxit PDF Reader Plugin in Seamonkey?
If how?
Sorry, posted too quick.
Foxit is installed and listed in the helper application but PDFs do
not open in the Browser of as email attachments
rodney wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is it possible to install the Foxit PDF Reader Plugin in Seamonkey?
If how?
Sorry, posted too quick.
Foxit is installed and listed in the helper application but PDFs do
not open in the Browser of as email attachments. The plugin
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is it possible to install the Foxit PDF Reader Plugin in Seamonkey?
If how?
Sorry, posted too quick.
Foxit is installed and listed in the helper application but PDFs do not
open in the Browser of as email attachments. The plugin is not
installed. I downloaded the Firefox
Is it possible to install the Foxit PDF REader Plugin in Seamonkey?
If how?
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Rubens wrote:
Seamonkey exists not in any Ubuntu, Debian, nor Red Hat/Fedora
repository I checked out, nor any other Linux package.
That is not correct.
Seamonkey exists for decades in SUSE Linux:
https://packagehub.suse.com/packages/seamonkey/
Try the UbuntuZilla APT repository for
WaltS48 wrote:
On 2/26/20 6:09 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have been having problems with Seamonkey 2.49.5 Windows 7 64 bit
disabling or deleting Lightning and other bundles extensions although
I don't use them much. I have so far unable to reinstall it.
Does there exist an .xpi version
Daniel wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote on 28/02/2020 3:40 AM:
I'm a little skeptical of moving to 2.53.1 now while it's still in
Beta, since it makes changes to the profile. I think I'll wait until
there's an official release. I do hope 2.53.1 will solve some of the
increasing browser
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have been having problems with Seamonkey 2.49.5 Windows 7 64 bit
disabling or deleting Lightning and other bundles extensions although
I don't use them much. I have so far unable to reinstall it.
I can create a new profile that will work
I have been having problems with Seamonkey 2.49.5 Windows 7 64 bit
disabling or deleting Lightning and other bundles extensions although I
don't use them much. I have so far unable to reinstall it.
Does there exist an .xpi version of Lightning (and the other bundled
extenstion) I can install
I downloaded it today and so far it seems to be working.
Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
On 12/11/19 08:16, Daniel wrote:
rob wrote on 12/11/2019 3:45 PM:
I've been in touch with the author.
He says he will get around to looking at it. That's OK because he
does it on his own time and offers
else seen this kind of behavior?
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Daniel wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote on 21/11/2019 5:34 AM:
Lemuel Johnson wrote:
On 11/5/2019 5:04 AM, Thomas Pamin wrote:
I'm getting a lot more messages on web sites than I used to to
upgrade my browser. My general.useragent.override string is:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:59.0
x64 Windows 10 Pro.
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
WaltS48 wrote:
On 11/7/19 4:18 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have long used the Remove Duplicates (Alternate ) Add On. I have
been moving to Seamonkey 2.49.5 x64 on WIndows 7. I can download and
install the add on but it doesn't seem to run.
Does this Add
WaltS48 wrote:
On 11/7/19 4:18 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have long used the Remove Duplicates (Alternate ) Add On. I have
been moving to Seamonkey 2.49.5 x64 on WIndows 7. I can download and
install the add on but it doesn't seem to run.
Does this Add On work for anyone?
The extensions
I have long used the Remove Duplicates (Alternate ) Add On. I have been
moving to Seamonkey 2.49.5 x64 on WIndows 7. I can download and install
the add on but it doesn't seem to run.
Does this Add On work for anyone?
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to see if it can be isolated.
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I've also removed a and reinstalled SeaMonkey.It seems something is
cacheing the login in information but I can't find it.
This would be a user setting and removing and reinstalling SeaMonkey no
matter how often you do
I don't get them. I guess because I use the newsgroup. If I did I think
I'd be forced to set up a filter and forward them to Trip Advisor.
WaltS48 wrote:
On 10/23/19 3:34 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
Ray Davison wrote:
At 10/23/2019 11:22 AM I replied to "Google search
it.
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
OK,
I created a new blank profile and was able to login and logout
repeatedly using different accounts. Using the "Remember Me" button the
site populated the user name field and left the password blank. I could
save the username and password and select any ac
to
login.
On my profile every attempt to login fails for any account.
Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2019-10-23, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
OK
I tend to keep a clean profile in Profile manager. So I went and
loaded that one and it works as expected.
Went back to my regular profiles and the problem recurs
OK
I tend to keep a clean profile in Profile manager. So I went and loaded
that one and it works as expected.
Went back to my regular profiles and the problem recurs.
It seems to definitely be something in my profile.
Daniel wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote on 23/10/2019 6:23 AM:
Paul B. Gallagher
ot; button.
At this point while I used SeaMonkey for most things I have Chrome,
Firefox and Edge on the machine. I just use a different browser for
Southwest.com.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I've cleared all Cookies for that domain. the Permissions and
Preferences tabs are grayed out. I
It's possible there is a third domain involved, but I'm not sure how to
figure out which one. I suppose I could delete all cookies and live with
the inconvenience for a while.
Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2019-10-22, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I've gone
is removing SeaMonkey and
reinstalling it. I'm not sure that would do anything unless I also
deleted my profile as well and I've got too much stuff I need in it.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Richard Alan wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I've gone into the Data Manager and deleted
Seamonkey 2.49.5
I have a problem with a website that insists on using one users login. I
originally clicked on the "Remember Me" box, now I can't get SeaMonkey
forget that user and I can't login to that site with any other user. It
keeps trying to use the one user and even when I put in the
You realize that Ubuntu 12.04 is been EOL for 2 years and the
repositories may no longer be on line. There is an old archive for EOLed
releases but it requires some effort to access it and isn't updated.
You should still be able to upgrade to 14.04 even though it is also EOL
also as of April
the new or reinstalled version of SeaMonkey
for the first time I did not get the Checking Compatibility message I am
used to seeing.
Daniel wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote on 4/10/2019 1:40 AM:
I'm not sure what I've done, but in my profile SeaMonkey 2.49.5 x64
Windows 7 is not loading Lightning
Daniel wrote:
rob wrote on 14/09/2019 1:28 PM:
Just for the record. My problem was caused by installing 2.94.5 on a
new machine then attempting to copy an older profile on to that
machine. The Old profile is still backed up on the old hard drive, but
I couldn't get the Lightning extension
I'm not sure what I've done, but in my profile SeaMonkey 2.49.5 x64
Windows 7 is not loading Lightning. I've deleted the previous 32bit
versions and and installed SeaMonkey x64 downloaded from the official
website both as Administrator and as a user and when it loads Lightning
is not present.
I've been converting all of my users from 49.4 to 49.5 x64 and I haven't
noticed any thing nor has anyone complained or commented. Mostly they
don't notice I've changed anything. I've found the profiles work without
changes.
Henrik37 wrote:
Are there any significant - or even not so
-Rainer Grahl wrote:
rob wrote:
rob wrote:
I found the lightning extension. I had copied my old 2.49.4 profile
and it didn't have the correct version of Lightning. I found the
correct one in a new default profile, and copied it to my old
profile. I then had to enable it and it worked
I have installed the new 64 bit version over a 32 bit version
successfully. Apparently some people have had problems. My particular
situation was attempting to transfer an old profile to a new install.
Ronnie wrote:
Paul Bergsagel wrote:
rob wrote:
I found the lightning extension. I had
rob wrote:
I found the lightning extension. I had copied my old 2.49.4 profile and
it didn't have the correct version of Lightning. I found the correct one
in a new default profile, and copied it to my old profile. I then had to
enable it and it worked.
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I found the lightning extension. I had copied my old 2.49.4 profile and
it didn't have the correct version of Lightning. I found the correct one
in a new default profile, and copied it to my old profile. I then had to
enable it and it worked.
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Thanks for the new 64 bit version.
I just bought a new laptop and installed the 64 bit version of 2.49.5 on
it. It also seems to have loaded a number of extensions. Somewhere along
the line one of them may have loaded AVAST anti virus. Is this a thing?
I'm still trying to locate some of my
What are the Firefox and Thunderbird versions most comparable to
Seamonkey 2.49.4?
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Rubens wrote:
Gabriel wrote on 12/02/2019 19:00:
Hi all,
I need to clean some local mail folders, is there a way to install the
add-on "remove_duplicate_messages_alternate-0.3.17b1-tb.xpi"? On SM
2.49.4 macOS.
If not, what do you suggest to remove duplicate messages?
TIA!
G.
Yes,
Larry S. wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Glen wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I am running Firefox 2.48.4 on Windows 7. I have a message filter
set up
so that every time I receive a message from a specific email address
the
message gets forwarded to two people in my office and moved to a Local
Glen wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I am running Firefox 2.48.4 on Windows 7. I have a message filter set up
so that every time I receive a message from a specific email address the
message gets forwarded to two people in my office and moved to a Local
Folder. Each action is on a separate line
WaltS48 wrote:
On 2/1/19 12:51 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I am running Firefox 2.48.4 on Windows 7. I have a message filter set
up so that every time I receive a message from a specific email
address the message gets forwarded to two people in my office and
moved to a Local Folder. Each action
I am running Firefox 2.48.4 on Windows 7. I have a message filter set up
so that every time I receive a message from a specific email address the
message gets forwarded to two people in my office and moved to a Local
Folder. Each action is on a separate line in the Message Filter. The
filter
UPDATE:
It seems it may be a profile problem. I tried my computer using a new
clean profile and it worked. I have the same problem on other old profiles.
I wonder how I can clean my profile without losing a lot of useful
information.
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IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a web application for time and billing. It is a old application
but works as well as we need it to.
I have recently discovered that some functions do not work in
SeaMonkey 2.49.4. They do work in Thunderbird
WaltS48 wrote:
On 11/14/18 6:49 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a web application for time and billing. It is a old application
but works as well as we need it to.
I have recently discovered that some functions do not work in
SeaMonkey 2.49.4. They do work in Thunderbird and Chrome
replace context menus" Checked
I tried checking al the other boxes and it had no apparent effect.
What might be going on?
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I have a remote site. The people at that site cannot access a internal
website we use at another location. I have had the users clear their
cache and try to access the site. Chrome on the same machines can access
the site. They can ping the ip address.
I'm looking for a way to figure out what
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a server that had a problem with a share. I think I have fixed
that but my users cannot access their existing SeaMonkey Profiles. They
are located on a a SAMBA [homes] share on an Ubuntu 16.04
Solved!
Somehow the prefs.js file was overwritten with a default file that wiped
out all previous settings and made the new instance appear to be a fresh
profile.
I was able to copy the prefs.js from a backup and the profiles started
working.
I'm mystified as to how the prefs.js files
WaltS48 wrote:
On 10/12/17 2:59 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a server that had a problem with a share. I think I have fixed
that but my users cannot access their existing SeaMonkey Profiles. They
are located on a a SAMBA [homes] share
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a server that had a problem with a share. I think I have fixed
that but my users cannot access their existing SeaMonkey Profiles. They
are located on a a SAMBA [homes] share on an Ubuntu 16.04 LTS server in
a directory called ~/.seamonkey
Mason83 wrote:
On 12/10/2017 01:48, David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/11/2017 2:24 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have a server that had a problem with a share. I think I have fixed
that but my users cannot access their existing SeaMonkey Profiles. They
are located on a a SAMBA [homes] share on an Ubuntu
I have a server that had a problem with a share. I think I have fixed
that but my users cannot access their existing SeaMonkey Profiles. They
are located on a a SAMBA [homes] share on an Ubuntu 16.04 LTS server in
a directory called ~/.seamonkey.
In the past I have been able to conned to
I doing something wrong?
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Thank you all for all of the hard work. I've sort of been following the
events and issues. I appreciate your perseverance.
Have all of the infrastructure issues been finally resolved?
Edmund Wong wrote:
Greetings,
After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
Project is
Mason83 wrote:
On 28/07/2017 22:23, Ray_Net wrote:
So, it would be easy to change de tag indicating not-deleted ?
I believe so.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170619105411/http://www.eyrich-net.org/mozilla/X-Mozilla-Status.html?en
X-Mozilla-Status: 0009
Subtract 8 from this number.
Daniel wrote:
On 27/07/2017 7:33 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
WaltS48 wrote:
On 7/26/17 12:51 PM, EE wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is there a message undelete add on that works with SeaMonkey?
You can move a message from the trash to another folder.
What do they do
WaltS48 wrote:
On 7/26/17 12:51 PM, EE wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is there a message undelete add on that works with SeaMonkey?
You can move a message from the trash to another folder.
What do they do if it isn't in the trash?
Is it an email or newsgroup message?
In this case
Is there a message undelete add on that works with SeaMonkey?
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NFN Smith wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Don't know if it matters that I already had SM running!
no, works either way
It doesn't work for me. I get this error in both Win XP and Win 7
"LibreOffice was unable to find a working e-mail configur
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Don't know if it matters that I already had SM running!
no, works either way
It doesn't work for me. I get this error in both Win XP and Win 7
"LibreOffice was unable to find a working e-mail configuration."
Ray_Net wrote:
Some ideas for a workaround:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/841184
It's written:
The quick workaround to open in libreoffice Tools -> Options -> Internet
-> E-Mail and to inpute there 'thunderbird' (without quotes)
Perhaps you can put 'seamonkey'
NFN Smith wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
Is there a way to get LibreOffice to recognize Seamonkey as a working
email in WIndows XP?
Do you have Windows set to use Seamonkey as your default email client?
For most Windows applications, a request for "mail" should use whatever
Is there a way to get LibreOffice to recognize Seamonkey as a working
email in WIndows XP?
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No one has any ideas?
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I gotten a bad case of DNSunlocker and I can't figure out how to get rid
of it. I've tried all of the methods in the internet and run tw i virus
scans AVG and Clamwin. Nothing seems to work. Some of the procedure for
Firefox call for deleting
I gotten a bad case of DNSunlocker and I can't figure out how to get rid
of it. I've tried all of the methods in the internet and run tw i virus
scans AVG and Clamwin. Nothing seems to work. Some of the procedure for
Firefox call for deleting extensions but I'm not seeing any extensions I
Edmund Wong wrote:
Hi,
I regret to be the bearer of bad news; but as it stands,
the worst case scenario (and likely the actual case) is that 2.35 is
not going to be released in July.
The new goal is to release it in early August.
The past month has been mired in fire-fighting bustages,
I'm sort of aware of the issues with new SeaMonkey releases after
2.33.1. I'm curious if anyone has any idea of when new releases may appear?
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WaltS48 wrote:
On 05/01/2015 10:48 AM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I'm sort of aware of the issues with new SeaMonkey releases after
2.33.1. I'm curious if anyone has any idea of when new releases may
appear?
[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-04-28 -
MozillaWiki](https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey
If your calendar does not show events or appointments in Lightning try this.
Basically this bug is the result of the visual C++ redistributable
missing from your installation. Since some people had it and some didn't
the results were not consistent.
Visual C++ Redistributable Packages for
Béèm wrote:
Rob Steinmetz wrote:
If your calendar does not show events or appointments in Lightning try
this.
Basically this bug is the result of the visual C++ redistributable
missing from your installation. Since some people had it and some didn't
the results were not consistent.
Visual C
Mason83 wrote:
On 24/03/2015 16:00, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
I have files a Bugzilla report on this bug. It is Bug 1146927.
I think it's easier to work with links.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146927
Seamonkey 2.33 Lightning 3.8b2 shows no events tasks or invitations
I have
I have files a Bugzilla report on this bug. It is Bug 1146927.
I suggest anyone experienceing it should report it on Bugzilla.
I have posted this to the SeaMonkey and Calendar news groups.
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Michael Ströder wrote:
Could you please point us to the exact URL?
For me 3.8b1 build 2 works for me on openSUSE Linux x86_64 but not on
Windows 8.1.
I can't see any 3.8b2 on [1]. Or is 3.8b1 candidate build 2 what you
really meant?
Ciao, Michael.
[1]
Please see my answers below.
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
Which language do you have SeaMonkey set to use? Lightning 3.7b1 seemed
to be missing most languages, and I wonder if 3.8b2 still has problems
in languages other than English?
The Only Language installed US English
See my comments below.
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
I have no new extensions I have only:
LookOut+
Remove Duplicates
Did you try disabling them and restarting SeaMonkey? I'm not familiar
with LookOut+, but it sounds like something to do with interacting with
MS Outlook. A
So it seems to be a Windows only issue?
I've seens some people post that they have it working under Windows. It
hasn't worked for me yet.
Wolf wrote:
at least it is working under Linux (Ubuntuzilla).
*Seamonkey 2.33 works with lightning-3.8b2-sm+tb-linux*.
regards
Wolf
What is the extension that disables validity checking? Then I could go
back to the previous version which did work.
Ronnie wrote:
Yes sorry for the typo, I meant 2.33
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Rob Steinmetz wrote:
What is the extension that disables validity checking? Then I could go
back to the previous version which did work.
Ronnie wrote:
Yes sorry for the typo, I meant 2.33
I disabled validity checks and reinstalled 3.3.3. After that I had the
newer versions it didn't work
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