Re: [talk-au] AARnet tile cache decomissioning

2024-09-18 Thread stevea
Graeme, thanks for asking, but I'm not an expert in this. I think it best if you ask Brian directly how it all goes. He can likely offer great perspective on how "multiple prisms reflect many colors of light" when doing such things; Americana is awesome, and has many moving parts. I couldn't

Re: [talk-au] AARnet tile cache decomissioning

2024-09-18 Thread stevea
d improved as time goes on. Cheers, Steve > On Sep 18, 2024, at 8:42 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Thanks, Steve, but it would be even more awesome if conversations could > happen in just one place rather than multiples :-( > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > O

Re: [talk-au] AARnet tile cache decomissioning

2024-09-18 Thread stevea
Awesome to see threads / topics / community / emails / forum posts / communications / linkages hook up like this! On Sep 18, 2024, at 8:31 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sept 2024 at 13:24, Adam Steer wrote: > OSGeo Oceania, on the other hand, might be interested as the regional OSM

Re: [talk-au] Bulloo Developmental Rd and Adventure Way FSWQ

2024-09-16 Thread stevea
t will "bubble to its appropriate levels / values" by its tagging. Sometimes some back-and-forth happens between "locals" and "wider OSM community," but it always seems to work out when dialog happens. More often than not, a "this is how we do it around here

Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Thread stevea
I'm sure it is done, as I've seen it at a smaller scale in the USA, I'll say tagging in OSM in USA isn't done for what in USA we call "special districts." And these most specifically do NOT get tagged with any admin_level value (6 or otherwise) because they really aren't a government, what admi

Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Thread stevea
I absolutely realize that my experience is with the USA and not Australia, but (in a VERY broad-brush way) the logical mappings between how federal=2, state=4 and admin_level=6 is almost always the "sub-state / local-ish" government authorities (in the USA it is almost always what we call a "cou

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

2024-01-02 Thread stevea
👍 > On Jan 2, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Thanks, fellas! > > There's my new thing I've learnt today! :-) > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 at 09:25, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 02/01/2024 22:03, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Only thought there is should the

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

2024-01-02 Thread stevea
Because Graeme politely included a question mark, I'll do my best here to offer my interpretation, which might actually approach and "answer" to his question: whether a note=* or a description=*, each of these data are "in" OSM, as OSM is a database. "Downstream" use cases, like a rendering, a

Re: [talk-au] OSM - NSW NPWS liaison

2023-11-01 Thread stevea
On Nov 1, 2023, at 10:46 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 16:35, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Tried a test message from an outside e-mail but doesn't seem to have come > through. > > Do you have to be subscribed to the list to be able to post to it? > > Yes As I say, a low bar

Re: [talk-au] OSM - NSW NPWS liaison

2023-11-01 Thread stevea
My two cents. Our forum and Discord require "accounts" to be registered at the OSM level (via OAuth2 by registering for a volunteer Contributor account to OSM) and at "the Discord level," something else again. A mailing list "merely" requires an email address as an "account" to be registered w

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements (Was Re: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size))

2023-10-05 Thread stevea
Oops, resending to the talk-au list as a whole: On Oct 5, 2023, at 7:00 PM, Little Maps wrote: > City = > 50,000 people > Town = 5000 - 50,000 > Village = 1000 - 5000 > Hamlet = < 1000 > > This kind of query gives a broad-brush pattern of how we can classify places > into cities, towns etc. If

Re: [talk-au] Classifying settlements

2023-10-04 Thread stevea
FWIW, I find this discussion interesting and excellent. Please keep up the good dialog, which I characterize here as “good work!" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Fwd: Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size)

2023-10-01 Thread stevea
Whoops, meant to send this to the list, I sent it to Graeme only. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: stevea > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Filling in blank space (Was Re: Tagging towns by > relative importance, not just population size) > Date: October 1, 2023 at 9:17:40 P

Re: [talk-au] Putting streams into OSM

2023-05-29 Thread stevea
ki/Dialog_box#Modeless [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yk8b8SB81o [3] https://learnosm.org/en/josm/start-josm/ [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Types_of_relation > On May 29, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Josh Marshall wrote: > > Hey stevea, was this warning on relations due to any particular

Re: [talk-au] Putting streams into OSM

2023-05-28 Thread stevea
I've said all this before: while editing relations in iD is technically possible, it is tedious and difficult in the opinion of many. A great many existing relations have also been broken by people using iD (I can't count how many I have personally experienced). I find editing relations with

Re: [talk-au] Waterway data check overpass query

2023-05-09 Thread stevea
Nice work, everbody. I include Phil's use of the tool (chatbot mentioned), but I do not directly address said chatbot, because it is not sentient. It is merely a tool, well-used in this instance. Tight snippet of OT there, Andrew; nice. (make, convert, makefile, y'know...yeah). Is that a li

Re: [talk-au] Adoption of OSM geometry as state mapping base

2023-02-09 Thread stevea
My local chapter of OSM is in the USA (OSM-US), but yes, I think you (all) are on the right approach here: the "Australia / Oceania Chapter" (I think it is, or is called) as a semi-formal sub-community within OSM, or even an "official" chapter, is the "first stop" along the way of this sort of

Re: [talk-au] Tagging Culverts on Roads

2023-02-09 Thread stevea
On Feb 9, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Thu, 9 Feb 2023 at 12:31, Andrew Hughes wrote: > And each culvert has a unique asset/ref identification (example Victorian > Dept of Transport, Structure Number == SN2252) > > Sorry to be awkward, but do we have permission to use that d

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane City Bike Racks

2023-01-31 Thread stevea
On 31/1/23 14:38, James via Talk-au wrote: >> ...Does anyone have anything they'd like to add, any advice, or any reasons >> I shouldn't go ahead with this? On Jan 31, 2023, at 1:10 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do, say, 10 local to you and see how it goes. Making a mistake with 10 i

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane City Bike Racks

2023-01-30 Thread stevea
quot;interpret" them seems it would help or even be best. Besides, reaching out to the greater community (as you have to talk-au just now: noice!) is part of OSM, so getting into that habit early is a good one! Tenet number 2 of OSM: (after #1, "Don't copy from other maps")

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

2022-12-25 Thread stevea
I mean, people use amenity=charging_station [1], which has a name=* tag. And I think Europe imported a bunch of these over a decade ago. Maybe it's ME who is behind the curve here? Dian and/or Phil linked this / raised this already. Regarding what Warin says, OSM just MIGHT be either "a" or "

Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers

2022-12-25 Thread stevea
ascent hydrogen network. And in my backyard, "we have ignition" (as in net-positive fusion). >From cold and rainy winter California, Happy Holidays, Happy '23, mates. that Yank Stevea (in our/OSM's wiki, though not usually or

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne - Suburban Rail Loop - Too early to mark as under construction?

2022-11-03 Thread stevea
Sorry, I meant railway=proposed becoming railway=construction. The tag state=proposed is something used (I do so frequently) in other routes besides route=railway relations, like route=bicycle relations. I apologize for any confusion. ___ Talk-au mai

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne - Suburban Rail Loop - Too early to mark as under construction?

2022-11-03 Thread stevea
Catching up on this thread (a bit on the late side, just upgraded macOS from Monterey to Ventura) I could say a lot. In short, I think you've got it right tagging construction=* when you get actual digging, paving, power-poles and laying of rail. I like "well, we've got road closures already..

Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers

2022-09-24 Thread stevea
Dialable, darn spell check. And, in the US, the 1-800 or 1 (800) has become 800 or (800), though not +1-800 because these are "inward" only, without the preceding 1, though some places might still need to dial this, our 11-digit / preceding 1 or 10-digit thing (not terribly hard to figure out i

Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers

2022-09-24 Thread stevea
Yeah, so this can be confusing. The 1300 prefix appears to be an Australia-only way of dialing what is followed by a six digit number (and as there are eight in the mnemonic, the last two are ignored, we get this in the states with our 1800 and flavors, like 1888 and 1877 and 1866... "toll-free

Re: [talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers

2022-09-24 Thread stevea
Solutions abound! There is a pesky "only in this country toll-free dialing" sort of thing that is a number domestically (AU only) and then what appears to be its international number, something in NANPA's 710, or what is a moldy-oldy US federal government "thing" with exactly one working number

Re: [talk-au] Mapping planned light rail routes

2022-09-15 Thread stevea
To be clear, "infrastructure" tagging as I described it doesn't necessarily come first, it (only) would if an existing rail line needs to be entered into OSM, then might be repurposed as a light_rail line. If there is no rail to be repurposed, and it is brand-new-from-scratch passenger rail, sk

Re: [talk-au] Mapping planned light rail routes

2022-09-15 Thread stevea
On Sep 15, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Work is due to start "soon" on the next extension of the GC Light Rail route. > > Details have been published about where it will be going, & where the > stations will be located, site offices are now appearing & physical work is > suppos

Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

2022-09-13 Thread stevea
Thanks, Ewen: you have inspired me to dig up his business card (hm, where’d I put it?!) and do exactly that. Yes, I’m sure "a waiver could be signed and copyright sorted,” as we really do have open data laws here and I’m sure with the rightly-worded request, it could be done legally and withou

Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

2022-09-13 Thread stevea
Some USA perspective: because of where I was, happening to go to a funky little mountain organic food store and the proximity of this store to a "CalFire" station (sort of two of them, in a regional sense...CalFire being the California Department of Forestry, essentially the "state fire departm

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-10 Thread stevea
Again, you folks are on the right track, here: keep discussing whether a single bidirectional route (with summer-winter alternates) is better, though that will require very careful role tag management — OR whether a single super-relation representing "the whole route, with all of its complexiti

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-10 Thread stevea
On Sep 10, 2022, at 2:21 AM, Ian Steer wrote: >> What would people think about a structure that had a Munda Biddi ... > - and I would give the winter section, and northbound one-way sections in the > main route relation a role of “alternative" Outstanding! I step further aside and let you maste

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-09 Thread stevea
Nice. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-06 Thread stevea
On Sep 6, 2022, at 12:36 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Bicentennial Nation Trail is broken by states (and that is a horse trail, > a mtb trail and a hiking trail). It is not well mapped. > > The Overland Track is broken into segments - the 'normal' day lengths for > hikers. > >

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-05 Thread stevea
I forgot to say earlier, so I add here and now: on really huge routes like this — thousands of kilometers long — it makes it more manageable for humans (and OSM software like JOSM and other tools / end-use cases like renderers and routers) to break up the route into logical sub-components. I'm

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-05 Thread stevea
On Sep 5, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Ian Steer wrote: >> For the "north only" and "south only" segments, I would certainly keep both >> of these "directional" segments in the one "main" relation, but tagged with >> role tags: usually "forward" if the direction of the way corresponds to the >> direction of

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-05 Thread stevea
On Sep 5, 2022, at 1:10 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/9/22 17:41, stevea wrote: >> On Sep 5, 2022, at 12:23 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Be careful with the automated tool .. you can end up with the route >>> comprising s

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-05 Thread stevea
On Sep 5, 2022, at 12:23 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Be careful with the automated tool .. you can end up with the route > comprising some 'north bound' bits with some 'south bound bits'. I'm not sure what you mean by "the automated tool," Warin. I'm only suggesting to use JOSM

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-04 Thread stevea
BTW, I very much recommend using JOSM as your preferred editor when editing relations, especially route relations. IMO, the route relation editor in JOSM is superior to all others. Don't forget to click the "sort relation" button as a last step in the relation editor window before you close it

Re: [talk-au] Should a "trail" route relation be one-way?

2022-09-04 Thread stevea
On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Ian Steer wrote: > I am a volunteer with the Munda Biddi Trail Foundation, and do my best to > keep the Munda Biddi Trail route relation (5810814) up-to-date. The trail is > 1,000km from Perth to Albany. > > There is a child route relation (Munda Biddi Alternate, 8

Re: [talk-au] Adopting "AU" Prefix on Network tags

2022-08-19 Thread stevea
It makes a lot of sense. In the states / USA, we (OSM as state and governments rather naturally cleave here for us) "split at state boundaries" all the time (as regards to highways and routes). It is "sane in the long run" I believe is widely believed. Things "come into better focus" for many

Re: [talk-au] Cycle tags on motorways

2022-08-18 Thread stevea
On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:42 AM, Michael Collinson wrote: > Purely as a question: Is there a case for actually mapping the whole cycleway > separately as a cycleway? As a cyclist, I like to see what I have in store. > Argument for: Well, that is what it is, a dual use cycleway and hard > shoulder.

Re: [talk-au] Cycle tags on motorways

2022-08-17 Thread stevea
On Aug 17, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 at 12:26, Little Maps wrote: > Hi folks, is there any consensus on how to tag cycling on motorway shoulders? > > In some places, the simple tag bicycle=yes (or no) is used. > > We should explicitly tag every motorway with b

Re: [talk-au] Cycle tags on motorways

2022-08-17 Thread stevea
On Aug 17, 2022, at 7:23 PM, Little Maps wrote: > Hi folks, is there any consensus on how to tag cycling on motorway shoulders? > > In some places, the simple tag bicycle=yes (or no) is used. This is straight > forward. In others, the left hand shoulder is tagged as a cycle lane, using > "cycle

Re: [talk-au] Oz tagging of speed cameras

2022-08-14 Thread stevea
Graeme: You are possibly / likely correct about assumptions regarding size (I'm not local, I haven't seen the devices, I don't know of any standardisation / competition-in-the-traffic-camera-marketplace you have in Oz). However, also, you might 'not' be correct about assumptions regarding size

Re: [talk-au] Adding river crossings to Guidelines "road quality / 4wd-only"?

2022-08-10 Thread stevea
On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:45 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I wasn't familiar with "Drop-Bears" (until I looked up that good-natured hoax) > > Neither was this lady! :-) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwmoiUrC02g I have no idea how everybody (except for the British reporter, of course, until

Re: [talk-au] Adding river crossings to Guidelines "road quality / 4wd-only"?

2022-08-10 Thread stevea
On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:32 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Imagine how Australian you'll feel being the one to add the row to that wiki > with "Crocodiles are present." > > Snakes, spiders. sharks, Drop-Bears ... :-) Oops, I meant hazard=leeches (not hazard:leeches). Gotta get the syntax right.

Re: [talk-au] Adding river crossings to Guidelines "road quality / 4wd-only"?

2022-08-10 Thread stevea
On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:05 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > The hazard tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hazard seems like a > good fit to warn of crocs. Agreed: I shared some input with the author on this tag. It is deliberately "open-ended" with rough/loose categories right now of area h

Re: [talk-au] Tagging silos?

2022-08-10 Thread stevea
I'm not saying it should, but it could: somebody sees both usefulness to specify and usefulness to tag (heavily implying serious usefulness to "seeing the bigger picture of data" after they are entered and become geospatial) and makes a proposal that craftily "gathers" silos together into one o

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "secret" facilities?

2022-07-27 Thread stevea
On Jul 27, 2022, at 1:02 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 27/7/22 17:13, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au wrote: >> is it clearly signposted as cannabis factory farm at its location? I sincerely doubt this would ever happen, but if it did, you can bet their security is much, much better

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "secret" facilities?

2022-07-26 Thread stevea
On Jul 26, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 at 10:42, stevea wrote: > We map cannabis facilities in California; cannabis is legal here. > > Production facilities, or only shops? I have mapped several shops, as their location must "thread carefu

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "secret" facilities?

2022-07-26 Thread stevea
On Jul 26, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Have just spotted a Note where an anonymous user has given company name & > address details for a Medicinal Cannabis plant. > > Checking to confirm details & found a news article that said, yes, the plant > is near Mildura, but "Due to th

Re: [talk-au] definition of PSV (Public Service Vehicles) in Australia

2022-06-26 Thread stevea
> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Dian Ågesson wrote: > Unfortunately bus lane restrictions are not the same in each state and > territory. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Transportation. > As there isn't a consistent delineation about what counts as a public se

Re: [talk-au] definition of PSV (Public Service Vehicles) in Australia

2022-06-26 Thread stevea
On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: > I'm not sure if this helps, but a "bus lane" allows buses, taxis, bicycles > and hire cars. A "bus only lane" allows only buses (not taxis and hire cars). > (Neither allow rental cars.) > > The psv wiki page suggests tagging individual types if n

Re: [talk-au] definition of PSV (Public Service Vehicles) in Australia

2022-06-26 Thread stevea
On Jun 26, 2022, at 5:57 PM, David Vidovic via Talk-au wrote: > In regards to PSV (Public Service Vehicles), I understand this encompasses > buses/coaches. > > For a "bus only" way such as a bus bay, I see common tagging [access=no] + > [psv=yes] used. > > Does anyone know if a Taxi is consid

Re: [talk-au] Well I bought an L1/L5 Mouse GPS

2022-06-22 Thread stevea
Again, a recommendation to deal with imagery offset "smears:" start with the "street network" (grid, whatever) first. That "lays down the meridians" as accurately as you know with minimal effort right down to the centerlines of multiple-lane tarmac. The small (er) stuff like buildings, those

Re: [talk-au] Well I bought an L1/L5 Mouse GPS

2022-06-22 Thread stevea
On Jun 22, 2022, at 6:45 PM, Alex Sims wrote: > I’ve now got a relatively (<$100 + postage) Mouse GPS. It is amazingly > accurate. That’s the good news. > > Now I can see a whole bunch of streets, buildings etc out by 1-5 meters as > *some* features were traced without correcting the image off

Re: [talk-au] Country homesteads?

2022-04-25 Thread stevea
I'll start and finish by saying "be careful." ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Country homesteads?

2022-04-24 Thread stevea
Truthfully, I’ve seen it both ways: that’s partly why I asked (somewhat, but not completely rhetorically) “which (one of the two landuse tags) renders?” (Farmland or residential?) I wasn’t tagging for the renderer, I was tagging according to the wiki, and only after many years after that tagg

Re: [talk-au] Country homesteads?

2022-04-23 Thread stevea
I don’t know what Oz'll end up doing, but I’ve been mapping landuse=farm, which became landuse=farmland, since 2009. I’ve also used landuse=farmyard (renders in Carto as a “stronger tan-orange” compared to “faint orange” for farmland), but I initially restricted my use of farmyard to what (in U

Re: [talk-au] Mapbox mapping activity

2022-04-23 Thread stevea
Thank you (Alex) for the wide notification that DWG is aware. I'll let DWG handle it, while I'll say out loud (I already have, I sharpen my meaning here and now), "that shouldn't have happened, Mapbox" (not Sergey, but higher up in Mapbox than Sergey). Somebody was "asleep at the switch." Plea

Re: [talk-au] Mapbox mapping activity

2022-04-22 Thread stevea
OK, I've found the links, but a couple of things: 1) On the wiki page (about "linting," I've used "lint" in C code, is that what you mean?), I don't want to see "examples," (although, they are better than nothing), I want to see SPECIFICS. 2) The GitHub page is also pretty vague. You say "we

Re: [talk-au] Mapbox mapping activity

2022-04-22 Thread stevea
Mmmm, yeah: I'll second Graeme's "that doesn't make much sense to me." What does "review a subset of the detections to better understand the types of issues" actually mean? And, "1st iteration"...of WHAT? What data? How can we give feedback on a "related issue" that is neither stated nor "li

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-21 Thread stevea
I say this "from a great distance," but here goes: if you consider that AU:Urban or AU:rural (and/or similar) are QUITE LOOSE compared to EXPLICIT tagging, you might be able to nudge things ahead in a semantic parsing sense. It won't be perfect, it likely never will be (ambiguities about wheth

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread stevea
Very nice to see this discussion. At this point, I believe I am some Yank who babbles too much. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread stevea
On Apr 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > ...Otherwise I think this will always be lacking in OSM until those maxspeed > tags are set. Right: this is the crux of what I was getting at. Explicit data in OSM can be trusted, implicitly inferring data because of "defaults," well, not so m

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread stevea
On Apr 18, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote: > We're using OSM and pgrouting and it's GREAT! > > Something that I have found difficult to come to terms with, is assigning a > "default speed" for unclassified roads (without a maxspeed tag). This is > because in metro area's these are most-l

Re: [talk-au] admin_level, suburbs and rendering; should the order be updated?

2022-04-10 Thread stevea
I'm mighty obliged to you for that excellent synopsis; thank you. Yes, at a certain point such "proposals" have to "be discussed amongst yourselves," of course, I've seen this and you are in a "certain stage" of such things. Then there is your primer on "Aussie 2, 4, 6," excellent. Yeh, the o

Re: [talk-au] admin_level, suburbs and rendering; should the order be updated?

2022-04-10 Thread stevea
See, what I'm getting at is saying ACT District is 5, yet 7 means District, well, that ambiguity trips me up. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] admin_level, suburbs and rendering; should the order be updated?

2022-04-10 Thread stevea
On Apr 10, 2022, at 5:53 PM, Dian Ågesson wrote: > Thanks Andrew, > > I'll make the adjustments to level 7 and 9 in the update guidelines as I > prepare them. > > I can also add the Districts of the ACT in at Level 5 as well, although > should it be documented for all states' counties? > http

Re: [talk-au] admin_level, suburbs and rendering; should the order be updated?

2022-04-08 Thread stevea
Speaking from personal experience as only one participant over many years (between say, 2012 with some agreement in 2015 and some refinement 2020) in a big country with a lot of states and dozens of their idiosyncrasies, getting admin_level values "right" can be a true, multi-year-long wrangle t

Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

2022-04-08 Thread stevea
To be sure everyone reading knows, JOSM's buffer has amazing undo capacity, I believe "all the way back to the beginning of the session." And there's the fact you can edit, edit, play with things all day and night long, then you simply do not upload to the OSM servers (and into the fabric of ou

Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

2022-04-07 Thread stevea
On Apr 7, 2022, at 10:36 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > It means JOSM hasn't downloaded all the member ways, in one of the panels on > the right showing the relation, right clicking download incomplete members > will fetch them all. Yes, Graeme, if you see in the bottom left pane of JOSM's relation

Re: [talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread stevea
On Apr 7, 2022, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Well your router would need to look up the specific default whether that's > something in the routing engine configuration, pulled from the OSM wiki, or > pulled from the Victoria state relation def:* tags. Right, I agree: that's part of the

Re: [talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread stevea
On Apr 7, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I think this is getting too much into mapping regulations, we could just have > no bicycle tag and leave it to data consumers to apply the regional defaults. > > What would that do to bike routing? There is bicycle infrastructure tagging

Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

2022-04-03 Thread stevea
In the spirit of the OSM tenet of "be bold," and because you (all) have been so open about the real vandalism / destruction this one person (account) is doing to our map, I say "go ahead and revert his changesets yourself." I've done this before when "the clear and present danger" of vandalism i

Re: [talk-au] Help with bikeways on roads please

2022-03-15 Thread stevea
Yes, as someone very involved with bicycle routing (and infrastructure), thank you for noting the distinction that bicycle infrastructure tagging is ONE thing (and important) and bicycle route tagging (inclusion of usually the latter elements in a route relation) is ANOTHER (important) thing. Th

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-07 Thread stevea
On Mar 7, 2022, at 12:41 AM, David Wales wrote: > ...I took the opportunity to belatedly add this. It’s like a good story with a wonderful happy ending. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-06 Thread stevea
On Mar 2, 2022, at 1:18 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Have they simply forgotten that they posted them, so a reminder would og > their memory; or as suggested, do they want somebody else to do the actual > mapping work for them? Let's not forget that a Note is often added by a "lesser experie

Re: [talk-au] Assistance with ongoing disagreement regarding intersections

2022-03-04 Thread stevea
This might be tangential to the discussion, on the other hand, it might be a kind of "hidden" or unstated assumption about how ways are "interpreted" in OSM to mean some implied given semantic, which in my opinion, they shouldn't do. So it could be revealing. Here goes: any given way should b

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-02-20 Thread stevea
Not boring at all; mighty impressive knock-down, actually. Go Team Oz! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-20 Thread stevea
Nice. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-20 Thread stevea
On Feb 20, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 18:24, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some of ours, such as the India Pacific, are tourist only, > > I thought the IP also delivered some freight / supplies to the "towns" > (alright - flyspecks!) across t

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-20 Thread stevea
On Feb 20, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> For a rich example, please see >> https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Railroads/Passenger , especially the >> last section: "Tourism, museum, heritage and historic (possibly >> passenger=local) trains." > > Wow. Thanks for

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-19 Thread stevea
On Feb 19, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Someone is mapping a 'train tour' into OSM. > Should such things be mapped? Yes. As someone who extensively maps rail infrastructure relations (route=railway) as well as both passenger routes (route=train, route=light_rail, rou

Re: [talk-au] Help - Node relocation

2022-02-17 Thread stevea
Lisa, also, please know that it can take different times for the various "zoom levels" of the map to show the same data. For example, zoomed way up close, all might look correct, then you zoom out (and it's OK), but you zoom out "one more level" and it's like it was yesterday, or two days ago.

Re: [talk-au] Help - Node relocation

2022-02-17 Thread stevea
Yup, Lisa, what Thorsten said: it may be that somebody else has made an edit "in the meantime" and you are really seeing the nodes in the map as they are "right now." It may be that you are witnessing that many people can edit the same data. When this gets messy," it is called an "Edit Confli

Re: [talk-au] Help - Node relocation

2022-02-17 Thread stevea
On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Lisa wrote: > Thank you for such a quick response :) OSM: We aim to please! > When I go into Edit mode the old node that needs to be removed isn't > displaying, but when I am not in edit mode I can see it? > Am I using the wrong method of editing it? > Or do I need

Re: [talk-au] Help - Node relocation

2022-02-17 Thread stevea
On Feb 17, 2022, at 7:51 PM, Lisa wrote: (a question) Hi Lisa: I'm assuming you are using the iD editor. It seems you know the difference between the new node being correct and the old node "needing to go," you can click on a node and delete it like this: Select the node with a single click,

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

2022-02-11 Thread stevea
On OSM's USA Bicycle Networks wiki [1], the introductory section posits a nice section on "What to map." (In the realm of bicycle routes / networks in the USA). We distinguish between "infrastructure tagging" and "route tagging." We talk about mapping SIGNED routes (and planned routes that ar

Re: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

2022-02-10 Thread stevea
Not to mention, burgers come with “Betty’s secret lube” (sauce) and can be “dressed any way you like.” OK, I’ll stop there. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

2022-02-10 Thread stevea
(Pssst, just in case you missed it, “juicy patties; hot buns”) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

2022-02-10 Thread stevea
On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:12 AM, Peter Hardy wrote: > Betty's Burgers & Concrete Co? I've eaten at the one on Clarence St and the > one in Darling Harbour in Sydney (admittedly before *waves arms around* all > of this, so a couple years ago). They're fast food with dine-in tables - > order at the re

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-08 Thread stevea
On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:08 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Do routers "read" such things as flood-prone, intermittent & seasonal? My "quick, off-the-cuff" answer would be: "better routers SHOULD." The real answer is very much "check your particular router." ___

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

2022-02-04 Thread stevea
On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:48 AM, Dian Ågesson wrote: > Genuine question: > > If I go to Officeworks and get a sign printed with the name "Bob" and put it > on my letterbox, does that become the name of my house? I would think this is an EXCEEDINGLY "locally variable" question (and answer). To wit:

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

2022-02-03 Thread stevea
Dang auto-correct, of course that's addr:housename. And when there is "both," as it appears here, "that's a good question!" (Maybe enter both?) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

2022-02-03 Thread stevea
On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:12 PM, Mat Attlee wrote: > Whilst I was out surveying today I stumbled upon a building that had a street > number but also a house name, as just above the entrance and door number it > said Rivenhall. Now the question is should this be tagged as the name or > addr:housenam

Re: [talk-au] Information source question - sorry kind of lengthy.

2022-02-02 Thread stevea
On Feb 2, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > So you're standing in the pub having a cold beer & the two blokes beside you > are talking. > ... > Does that count as Local Knowledge? Graeme, I'm not an attorney / solicitor, but what you describe is called "hearsay" and is not usually a

Re: [talk-au] Information source question - sorry kind of lengthy.

2022-02-02 Thread stevea
On Feb 2, 2022, at 1:50 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The 'facts cannot be copyright' may be a USA thing that does not work > elsewhere. Don't know but I would not rely on it alone. While I am reasonably certain this is true in the USA, I don't believe that makes it necessarily fals

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