On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
Lomax The world is so complex that math can be useless, unless
simplifying assumptions are made. It is certain simplifying assumptions that
led to the conclusion that QM predicts that LENR is impossible. This was
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
The
fact
that you have an explanation, and that it seems to coincide with my
ideas
about both, the electric and magnetic fields,
and the aether, does not mean that that explanation is accepted and
mainstream.
You might
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
LomaxThe world is so complex that math can be useless, unless simplifying
assumptions are made. It is certain simplifying assumptions that led to the
conclusion that QM predicts that LENR is impossible. This was
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Don't you get any enjoyment from creative, out-of-the-box thinking?
You're right. I shouldn't have weighed in on this subject, but I couldn't
resist when you said:
With all the sophistication and accuracy to umpteen
Ok, as you might guess from my email address I very much disagree that the
aether was proven false, nothing of the sort. Only a static Aether was
found to have evidence against it.
Secondly if you still want to know why Electric and Magnetic fields are
perpendicular in an EM wave etc... then you
On 5/25/2011 1:12 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Just wanted to throw out a question to the Vort Collective...
In an EM wave, why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular
to each other?
The answer to the question is really quite simple and it comes from our
definition of what these fields
-geometry.
Maybe I can make this clearer with a bit more contemplation ...
Jones
From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
Mark Iverson wrote: Just wanted to throw out a question to the Vort
Collective...
In an EM wave, why
Jones said:
Maybe I can make this clearer with a bit more contemplation ...
Contemplation and a Brain Enhancing ElixiR should do the trick!
Or is it too early...
:-)
-Mark
attachment: winmail.dat
skeptic who speaks in
generalities and doesn't have
the guts to use his real name...
-Mark
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From: John Berry [mailto:aethe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:00 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
Ok, as you
]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
Ok, as you might guess from my email address I very much disagree that the
aether was proven false,
nothing of the sort. Only a static Aether was found to have evidence against
it.
Secondly if you still want to know why Electric
At 04:31 AM 5/29/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
LomaxThe world is so complex that math can be useless, unless
simplifying assumptions are made. It is certain simplifying
assumptions that
Sorry, I was away during the weekend.
I think the same as you about the electric and magnetic fields(they both
are aspects of the same thing). And I have stated it clearly in other
mails, by the way.
I just wanted to hear, and was trying to understand, the standard
explanation. If you think
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
The
fact
that you have an explanation, and that it seems to coincide with my ideas
about both, the electric and magnetic fields,
and the aether, does not mean that that explanation is accepted and
mainstream.
You might
:* John Berry [mailto:aethe...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:00 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields
perpendicular?
Ok, as you might guess from my email address I very much disagree that the
aether was proven false, nothing
On 05/27/2011 07:50 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
I suppose we are all somewhere on the conservative/crank spectrum. I think
physics is a difficult place for novel thought because the current models are
so excellent. Yet mysteries do remain. However I didn't know that Cooper pairs
was one of them.
: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
Not to be troublesome, but if you're looking for a mathematical answer, but you
don't want the one
based on our best understanding (relativity and electrostatics) then I'm even
more confused about
what your question meant.
At least
@eskimo.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
How about giving a few examples of the sort of answer you'd find satisfactory?
On 26 May 2011, at 15:53, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 26, 2011, at 4:09, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The language of physics is math.
This is a deep statement, worth unpacking. It means that if an idea can't be
written mathematically, it is
At 10:53 AM 5/26/2011, Charles Hope wrote:
On May 26, 2011, at 4:09, Joshua Cude
mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.comjoshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The language of physics is math.
This is a deep statement, worth unpacking. It means that if an idea
can't be written mathematically, it is not
At 04:21 AM 5/27/2011, Josef Karthauser wrote:
I also suspect that not all the necessary maths needed to describe
all possible physical phenomena has not been invented yet.
It's worse than that. In my lifetime, chaos theory developed, it was
realized that there are situations where there may
fruitful
to re-examine theoretical concepts with a fresh approach based on rational
physical constructs.
-Mark
From: Charles Hope [mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 5:48 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
How about giving a few examples of the sort of answer you'd find satisfactory?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
You are not going to like my answer: Because it is their nature.
snip
Now Brian Greene would have me say Because it is their nature in this
universe.
Do you know Brian and why he would have me say that? If so, you
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:35 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Maxwell's equations were developed to describe laboratory electricity and
magnetism experiments.
...from which the peculiar perpendicular nature of the phenomenon was
already
evident.
Not really. Electric and magnetic fields in
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Robin hits the nail on the head... Anything mathematical is the MODEL, and
is supposed to reflect physical reality. My question was about the physical
world -- what I was asking got was a rational, qualitative, cause and
On 05/26/2011 05:09 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Mark Iversonzeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Robin hits the nail on the head... Anything mathematical is the MODEL, and
is supposed to reflect physical reality. My question was about the physical
world -- what
They are not. If you vary the phase angle all of Special Relativity pops out.
http://www.wbabin.net/science/znidarsic.pdf
Frank Znidarsic
between objects in the same frame.
Regards
Fran
From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields
perpendicular?
They are not. If you vary the phase angle all
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
--- On Wed, 5/25/11, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
From: Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net
Subject: RE: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
To: vortex-l
[mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
On May 26, 2011, at 4:09, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The language of physics is math.
This is a deep statement
to
explain the simple
observations first before delving down into more difficult and esoteric aspects
of physics.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:37 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I think any theory should have to explain the simple
observations first before delving down into more difficult and esoteric
aspects of physics.
You sound more like a philosopher now. I know it's cliché but, the
more
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
With all the sophistication and accuracy to umpteen decimal places in
atomic physics/QM, how come we
can't explain WHY they're perpendicular! I think any theory should have to
explain the simple
observations first
time, please explain a bit more about your insights into
(nonexistent) torque...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Wed, 25 May 2011 16:08:10 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
What do mean by we? It's not from observing e-m waves that we know the
fields are perpendicular. It follows from Maxwell's equations, which predict
the waves. So, certainly some people can explain in arbitrary detail
before delving down into more difficult and esoteric
aspects of physics.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:37 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:50 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Wed, 25 May 2011 16:08:10 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
What do mean by we? It's not from observing e-m waves that we know the
fields are perpendicular. It follows from Maxwell's equations, which
predict
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Wed, 25 May 2011 17:54:32 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Maxwell's equations were developed to describe laboratory electricity and
magnetism experiments.
...from which the peculiar perpendicular nature of the phenomenon was already
evident.
The resulting equations then
, not stab
your horse!
:-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Wed, 25
you can say
that there is no such
thing as a real physical magnetic field -- that's its only an illusion.
-Mark
_
From: John Berry [mailto:aethe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields
[mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular?
In reply to Joshua Cude's message of Wed, 25 May 2011 17:54:32 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Maxwell's equations were developed to describe
--
*From:* John Berry [mailto:aethe...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:50 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]: Why are the electric and magnetic fields
perpendicular?
Ok, you need to consider my answer if you want to understand this.
You
Just wanted to throw out a question to the Vort Collective...
In an EM wave, why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular to each
other?
-Mark
You are not going to like my answer: Because it is their nature.
Yeah. Told you.
It is best understood by studying the Lorentz Force and working your
way from there. I like this site:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hph.html (click on the
bubble to expand)
but, there's always
I have a different answer...
Who says that they are a different field?
In fact the magnetic field is really a fiction.
Tell me what particle sees a magnetic field?
What is effected by the magnetic component of an EM wave?
Charges moving through a magnetic field actually see an electric force
Just wanted to throw out a question to the Vort Collective...
In an EM wave, why are the electric and magnetic fields perpendicular to
each other?
Because the electric and magnetic *effects* manifest perpendicularly?
The fields are an abstract(mental) construction.
In reality, there isn't an
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