] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I was expecting you to chime in Tom :) Thats exactly what I'm talking
about and agree 100%. I cant figure out how $24.95 or even $29.95
works. But then, what number does
Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone
gets a piece)?
Greg
On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they
burst all residential accounts.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
k...@wavelinc.com
: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they
burst all residential accounts.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
I think
126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, they can
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it
with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can
25, 2010 12:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons...
They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake.
While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz -
allowing for some pretty
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model?
It seems like
There is a difference
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
And, interestingly enough
there.
-Jeff
There is a difference
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Thats right and my point. I dont see $15
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those
two
couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once,
however).
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable
model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out.
If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers
will get
++
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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme
@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those
two
couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once,
however).
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics
++
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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those
two
couldn't maintain 30 customers
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Why do it...?
If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I
doubt
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of MDK
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Even if their model is not sustainable, and they're going to run out of
cash... If you run out before
...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI
(return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine
installation
Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI
(return
- Original Message -
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI
(return on investment
List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop
answering
the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer
is
on their own.
I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
If so, with what equipment?
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you delivering that wireless?
mc
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
wrote:
That's what we did
Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
If so, with what equipment?
On Mon
--
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
If so, with what equipment?
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote
. Apple
computers doesnt sell $298 laptops for a reason.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Sure
marketing.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
If so, with what equipment?
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you delivering that wireless?
mc
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
wrote:
That's what
, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, they can, but only a few
-il.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it
with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they
burst all residential accounts.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are
bursting for
like
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless
: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Yes, they can
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they
burst all residential accounts.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are
bursting
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they
burst all
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
]
On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
]
On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says
they
burst all residential
++
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From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see
++
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From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL
-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
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From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company
Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good.
They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Sometimes, but with chain stores the saving of groceries in cities helps
subsidize the higher shipping cost of groceries in rural areas.
Josh Luthman wrote:
Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good.
They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is
really too far but is the next closest meet point).
Chuck
On Mar 16, 2010
@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build
out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC.
Chuck
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant
-386-4589
++
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From: Charles N Wyble char...@www.knownelement.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Bret Clark wrote:
Bingo
Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have
at least *some* fiber. The cost
: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Chuck Bartosch ch
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to
offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a
fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25
and 2 meg for 38.50
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 07:41, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
6 Meg DSL here is around $50/month
At home, I have 6Mbps DSL for $35/month. (Yes, I work for a WISP, but still
have DSL, because my last three apartments were out of my employer's
coverage area due to terrain and trees.)
] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 07:41, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
6 Meg DSL here is around $50/month
At home, I have 6Mbps DSL for $35/month. (Yes, I
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you
doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you
trying to
increase speeds or bring pricing down?
Richey
-Original Message-
From: wireless
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:53 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you
doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you
trying to
increase speeds or bring pricing down
List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:52:59 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you
doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you trying
This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle
milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood
and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios.
Justin Wilson wrote:
I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have
Exactly. That is what NewWays did. Our old plans on T1 or other
smaller pipe were:
384K $33.00
512K $45.00
Now that we have a 50M fiber to a tower our plans are:
1M $35.00
2M $48.00
Justin Wilson wrote:
I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have
T1s and T3s
Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're
farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher (more
trucker miles, less productivity) but I wonder if milk isn't another
$1 or something.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite
Sometimes, but with chain stores the saving of groceries in cities
helps subsidize the higher shipping cost of groceries in rural areas.
Josh Luthman wrote:
Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're
farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher
I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at
least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile done,
not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a lot of the
middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at
least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile done,
not middle mile done. From my direct experience
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of char...@knownelement.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Citations needed?
I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining about
middle mile/back haul issues including access
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:47 PM
To: char...@knownelement.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
In my area the middle mile being built is exactly for institutions with a
minor
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:00 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I think largely
Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single
provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of
pricing. Then there is the finger pointing you have to deal with when
there is a problem...funny...for some reason's it's never their problem
initially
Bret Clark wrote:
Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single
provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of
pricing.
Thank you Bret and Mike for making my point. :)
Yes there is fiber just about everywhere, but it comes down to
Charles N Wyble wrote:
Interesting. Is the purpose of the wireless middle mile to reach a
carrier neutral facility? Very intriguing. I've considered doing that
here in Los Angeles. Back haul to One Wilshire or something. I have
friends with gear on the mountains. Hmmm
Yup...we're
Yup...we're running several wireless links (for redundancy) to a peering
point (CLEC Hotel) then interconnect at that location to the Internet
through various BGP interconnections with peer 1 and local CLEC's for
short dollars. We found no issues with building management letting us
put up our
Fortunately we are close to the CLEC hotel...about 2 mile links using
Ceregon's and DragonWave for the connections and fail-over redundancy.
At the CLEC hotel we collocate some edge BGP routers and use OSPF in
the backbone for fail-over.
Bret
Tim Sylvester wrote:
Yup...we're running
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From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at
least *some* fiber. The cost
@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a
promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not
raise the rate from $15
Chuck Bartosch wrote:
In my experience,
(1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's
the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't
prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to
that-but they are going
Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM
To: char...@knownelement.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
--
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM
To: char...@knownelement.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
In my experience,
(1
, 2010 9:49 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us
$7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the
gig that I can't really use isn't cheap
To: char...@knownelement.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
In my experience,
(1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul,
it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it
doesn't
ch...@clarityconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:49 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us
$7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly
He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I can't use
with 1 gig minimum commit.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I can't use a gig right now
will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I can't use
: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:05:28 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
We offer something the telco never will...
A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls
True... but we are also heavily discounting the installation (down to
free)... it's hard to make money if you do a free install, and then a
month later they get a DSL promo in the mail and switch. You have lost
about $200 on that one customer.
And _every_ cell phone company in the nation
Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out
' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a
promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not
raise the rate from $15
I pay 70.00 a month for multiple static, 6mbps down/768 up.
Att dsl.
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From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:14:55
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
One
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a
promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not
raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting
about 1
Hi Kurt,
What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users
go, basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co.
increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed tactics
and just focused on businesses -- offering them multi-megabit upstream
We offer something the telco never will...
A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls are answered
and handled locally.
We promote this heavily--and a lot of people are willing to pay more for it.
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net wrote:
Hi
That's a great point and we've noticed that too -- in fact, some of our
phone techs will inform us that customers stuck with us or even switched
back to us after dealing with poor (phone) support from the bigger
companies. It's a good feeling, and it does still mean a lot to many
people out
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
We offer something the telco never will...
A local business with local, friendly
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From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see
them a government agency, not a private
phone company :-).
deep sigh
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Local phone
, 2010 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Hi Kurt,
What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users go,
basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co.
increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed
$15 DSL is typically, only half the story, the telco's make about
$50-$70 in phone line billing They are not selling $15 Naked DSL...
I believe the best counter to this is for the WISP, to strength's their
network and offer voice services
Nothing is a perfect solution, but also
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
We offer something the telco never will...
A local
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419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
We offer
, 2010 11:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
We offer something the telco never will...
A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls are
answered
and handled locally.
We promote this heavily--and a lot of people
On 03/14/2010 11:05 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed
out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a
promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not
raise the rate from $15. Think its
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