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> on 3/26/05 2:25 PM, medwards520 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During the
> > dream, I decided to ask him a question about where the mone
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>
> About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During the
> dream, I decided to ask him a question about where the money has been
> going. It took tremedous effort to ask this question during the dream,
On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:
I also have had similar experiences regarding the desire to cry that
dissolves, especially when I have good strong experiences after
my Sidha/TM practice.
this also brings me to experience a desire to nullify the whole
existence and be in a "cave"
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>
> no wonder MMY and TM
> administrators refuse to talk to you.
>
It is common knowledge that I offered to enter into an exchange with
MMY about his biography. However, his response to that letter is not.
As f
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> So you do not equate the word "suspect" with your remarks above that
> you view with "caution" about the "illusion" created? You have a
> remarkably weaselly way with words -- no wonder MMY and TM
> administrato
> Again, an instance of how truly weaselly you are.
> Does this set you straight?
Your display of pique is surprising.
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>
> > You describe Rameshwar's biography as "precious," which implies
that
> > you consider it to be factual and authoritative, yet somehow when
> > material from that book appears in "Strange facts about a great
> You describe Rameshwar's biography as "precious," which implies that
> you consider it to be factual and authoritative, yet somehow when
> material from that book appears in "Strange facts about a great
> saint" it somehows becomes suspect? This is nonsense.
> or not remain uncontested.
You
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
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>
> > At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door."17
> >
> > [Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The
Way
> > to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.]
>
> For anyone who has visited
Hi Anon:
On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:
> Would you elaborate on that, what samsara means here and how
> would it be created thru that process/experience?
Samsara is a 'pattern of suffering'. These are kept going by the
"kleshas" you know from the Patanjali sutras (but you wil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A turning point for me was when I realized all the experiences my
> "Sidhi" practice generating were just samsara. The point I had
>always missed was that the experiences were an opportunity to
>understand how
> samsar
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I
believe fundie Christians are already loosing face nationwide, and> it
will be a fast downward slide.> I hope you're right, but I won't
hold my breath.
Oh, please do!
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> I have not had any luck obtaining a first edition of Tiwari's
biography, which I would like to
> compare with subsequent editions to track any changes/revisions. A
friend may have the
> original Hindi version, but hasn't been able to find it. He is
moving in a week or two and
> promises t
Good morning Alex:
On Mar 27, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> My history with TM is that I'd start and stop a lot because I'd
> become so accustomed to the good experiences that they'd no longer be
> perceived as good experiences, and I'd get bored with it. Starting
> and stopping create
and I'd get bored with it. Startingand stopping created the
contrast needed to keep TM interesting forme.Alex---Ditto,
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> > At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door."17
> >
> > [Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The Way
> > to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.]
>
> For anyone who has visited I
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>
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >snip
> > >
> > I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope
> > that some dictator or
> > factory owner was going to mandate TM on his
> > citizens/employe
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
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> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "easyone200"
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> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante"
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> wrote:
> >
> > > TM is being taught with p
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>
>snip
> >
> I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope
> that some dictator or
> factory owner was going to mandate TM on his
> citizens/employees. He tried
> repeatedly to get this to happen and it always
> flopped.
It is a rather unusual t
> At night he lay down outside Guru Dev's door."17
>
> [Quote from Raj Varma, made in early 1968 and extracted from 'The Way
> to Maharishi's Himalayas' by Elsa Dragemark.]
For anyone who has visited India, it is a very common sight to see
people lie on the floor.
But anyway, I have come to
> I can't remember where I heard this about MMY sleeping at the foot of
> Guru Dev's bed -- maybe Paul Mason's book?
On-line text copy of
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Biography of the Man Who Gave Transcendental
Meditation to the World
currently viewable at
http://www.paulmason.info/themaharish
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > However, all this may not make much of a differenc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual
> > yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and
> >
on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual
> yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and
> I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the
> near future,
Wha
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>
> You would have no legal standing, not being a local or state
> of michigan taxpayer. However, feel free to get the bible
> thumpers going, they've got to find a new thing once terri
> schiavo drools her last in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 10:52 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > *
> >
> > People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same
> > interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their
on 3/26/05 10:52 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> *
>
> People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same
> interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own. Bill
> Coors, the beer baron, ordered his execs to start TM, naturally it
> did not
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > . The
> > Supreme Court upheld
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Anyone remember when the NJ court case and ruling actually took
place?
> In late 79-early 80, I wrote a grant to the Bd of Ed of the City of
> NY, at the request of a middle school principal in the South Bronx,
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 7:48 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. TWB was a siddha, no wonder! His successor has had some
> > interesting things to say about the perversion of Patanjali by MMY.
> >
> Tat Wala
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
> >> religions.
> >
> > It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the
>
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > TM is being taught with public funds at the charter schools in Mich
> > and MD (and it ain't cheap, $625/yr per student -- s
on 3/26/05 9:36 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!!
> kh
Who me? Yeah, gotta stir the pot every now and then.
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>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
>>
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> on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
> >> religions.
> >
> > It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from
the
you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!!
kh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > *
> >
> > MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that
they
> > wan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> . The
> Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After
> several years of steady growth, this same time fra
Anyone remember when the NJ court case and ruling actually took place?
In late 79-early 80, I wrote a grant to the Bd of Ed of the City of
NY, at the request of a middle school principal in the South Bronx,
and ended up getting money and initiating nearly the entire faculty
of this bombed out
Sal
Are you blind?
TM is taught in public schools in the US right now. It is legal to
do so.
What does that tell you about the law?
It is possible that the fundie christians will never let it be
widespread (but will try as many toxic pharmaceuticals on their addh
children as possible.and
on 3/26/05 7:48 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Interesting. TWB was a siddha, no wonder! His successor has had some
> interesting things to say about the perversion of Patanjali by MMY.
>
Tat Wala Baba has a successor? What did he say?
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on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
>> religions.
>
> It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the
> Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in
> Hinduism. It re
on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> *
>
> MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they
> wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful
> in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right?
>
Right. And sinc
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. The
Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After
several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the
beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to th
That's what I figured.
Sal
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:55 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
Guess what the private school is? Maharishi School in Fairfield...
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> TM is being taught with public funds at the charter schools in Mich
> and MD (and it ain't cheap, $625/yr per student -- see
> http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#public ) -- but if
> somebody with legal
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> On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > Your mind is tuned to not find it.
>
> My mind might be, but my search engine isn't, and it didn't find
> anything to support your claim either. And it
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
> It was not "folly" on MMY's part, it was just a way of dealing with
> children who insisted, wrongly as it turns out, that they were
> qualified to be Brahmacharis.
Interesting if true.
> This reminds me of the anecdote in Nancy Cooke de Herre
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
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> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
>
> > MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him
that they
> > wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were
unsuccessful
> > in this line o
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Your mind is tuned to not find it.
My mind might be, but my search engine isn't, and it didn't find anything to support your claim either. And it won't, not until Malnak v Yogi is overturned. I wouldn't hold my breath on thiat one.
Ever he
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> >
> > > Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
> >
> > I'm not. What is present a
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
> MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they
> wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful
> in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right?
Bob, you ask an interesting question!
It may be
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:01 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> Why did you so easily spread the lie that TM is illegal to be taught
> in public schools? It has been taught in public schools for over a
> decade. It is legal, and it always will be legal (of course the
> fundie redneck christians will nev
Hi Peter:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I
> agree upon something!
> Sure, MMY appears to do some
> pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened
> status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques
> means they s
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> >
> >> He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
> >> ceremony.
> >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/26/05 1:38 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > ***
> >
> > Think that Bevan has ever slept at the foot of Maharishi's bed? I
> > prefer to think that you are kidding yourself, homey. Excep
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
>
> I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I
would be
> lying if I told you any different.
>
Why did yo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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> You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no
articles
> on the Web that support that claim.
>
> Sal
>
Your mind is tuned to not find it. You'll need to cure yourself of
that oneday (not a judgem
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I would be
lying if I told you any different.
>
> TM is taught in public schools and has been for over 10 years. It is
> legal to teach TM in pub
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I
> agree upon something! Sure, MMY appears to do some
> pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened
> status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques
> means they simply did not b
> Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
Few keep up with it for three years.
--- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> < a pop.
> That is criminal.>>>
>
>
> No its not. You are making this up.
>
> Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
> Which is less than you drink in caffe lattes and
> int
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
>
> > Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have
> > religious overtones.
>
> And of course you are correct Sal. >>.
Why are you spreading lies Vaj?
You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no articles on the Web that support that claim.
Sal
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:26 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public
Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years.
<>>
No its not. You are making this up.
Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
Which is less than you drink in caffe lattes and internet connection
each day.
What kind of seeker is not willing to give up cafe lattes and go back
to dial up in order to evolve?
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings
> wrote:
> >
> > > Your just mad because TM gets taught in some
> public schools in the
> US,
> >
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have
> religious overtones.
And of course you are correct Sal. And it is a bizarre
Neo-Hinduism--this is esp. easy to prove every since they took to
selling Vedic sacrifices to the God
Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public
Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years. The first one
I know of was in Washington DC, and goes back before the 1995 DC
WPA. (of course the redneck fundie christians will never let it get
widespread in Public schools
Hi Offie:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:12 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> Well, lets see Vaj. (Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, in
> which case I apologize and somebody set me straight).
I could not tell you where your confusion comes from! But I have an
idea ;-)
> You seemed to be
> tryi
Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have
religious overtones.
"The 1977 court ruling, Malnak v. Yogi, dealt a serious blow to the
movement. TM appealed to the New Jersey State Supreme Court claiming
they were not teaching religion, but proven scientific techniques. The
S
WOW !
This really goes to how out of touch and prejuduced you really are.
No wonder you are always badmouthing TM.
TM was NOT considered a religion by that court case, but your mind
has turned it into its negative. TM won the case. Get informed !
Secondly TM is taught in a Public school in a C
Which public schools? Wasn't there a court case a while back in which TM was shown to have religious content and therefore could not be taught in *any* public schools? If that's changed, I don't think anyone else knows about it.
Sal
On Mar 26, 2005, at 5:12 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
TM gets
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>
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > Your just mad because TM gets taught in some public schools in the
US,
> > gets taught to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the
> > NIH, and is soo
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>
> > So the other Shankaracharyas are chopped liver? The
> > fact that Swaroop had face time with Guru Dev doesn't
> > mean anything. Guru Dev's master had many disciples,
> > but we only hear about Guru Dev because
On Mar 26, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about
> an
> hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their
> heads
> and did other stuff.
>
Thanks for sharing that--that was beautiful to hear.
I don't w
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On Mar
26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote:> Your just mad
because TM gets taught in some public schools in the US,> gets taught
to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the>
On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
> Your just mad because TM gets taught in some public schools in the US,
> gets taught to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the
> NIH, and is soon going to be taught to the US army(I predict within 2
> years), and has more ACTUA
About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During
thedream, I decided to ask him a question about where the money has
beengoing. It took tremedous effort to ask this question during the
dream,but, I did get the question out. Maharishi seemed displeased that
Ihad brought the
on 3/26/05 2:25 PM, medwards520 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During the
> dream, I decided to ask him a question about where the money has been
> going. It took tremedous effort to ask this question during the dream,
> but,
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> on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
> > clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
> > outer relationship with the guru. The
So Maharishi performed some type of "official" ceremony so a handful
of people could be officially called disciples, big whoop. Is there a
rulebook that describes a guru-disciple relationship? If so does it
specifically void relationships that are absent this.some ceremony?
Isn't the guru discipl
on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
>
>> He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
>> ceremony.
>
> OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have
> a Brahmin perform the r
on 3/26/05 7:50 AM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
>> ceremony.
>
> Would you elaborate on that please?
I just emailed a friend of mine who underwent that initiation and asked him
if he would be willing to have his
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snip
> As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
> clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
> outer relationship with the guru. The outer
> relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell
>
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> with Maharishi giving detailed
> instructions on Bevan's administrative activities.
>
>
> so i'm just curious what bevan will do without a tm movement.
Well, Guru Dev's admin man took a trip to South India abo
with Maharishi giving detailedinstructions on Bevan's
administrative activities.so i'm just curious what bevan will do
without a tm movement.
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> on 3/26/05 1:38 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> difference between most TMers, such is yourself, and someone like
Bevan, is
> that you can only imagine what M says or does in his close
relationships,
>
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> On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
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> > He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
> > ceremony.
>
> OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he
have
> a Bra
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becomingclearer and
clearer that there is an inner and anouter relationship with the guru. The
outerrelationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tellabsolutely
nothing of the inner relationship from theouter relationship of another. We
know no
Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim tohave the
experience of others. -PeterIt's not that it works or
that it doesn't work. It's the denigration of all past traditions in the simple
phrase, "Spiritual Regeneration," or other (tmed) Maharishisms. It's not the
purity of the t
Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
> > clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
> > outer relationship with the guru. The outer
> > relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell
> > absolutely nothing of the inne
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
> ceremony.
OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have
a Brahmin perform the rite? Who performed the upanayama ceremony?
> I don't know about for
> He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
> ceremony.
Would you elaborate on that please?
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on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
> clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
> outer relationship with the guru. The outer
> relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell
> absolutely nothing of t
on 3/26/05 6:32 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> On Mar 26, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
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>> No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding
>> yourself if
>> you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the
>> inner
>> circle
>
> The guru-d
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:42 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
> Dream on pal.
> I guess you never got to do the yogic flying. It is realBIG
> TIME.
Been there, done that. Like I said, yeah you can get some benefit from
it. I did. But it's better to have a real initiation into Patanjali and
Samkhya
on 3/26/05 1:38 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ***
>
> Think that Bevan has ever slept at the foot of Maharishi's bed? I
> prefer to think that you are kidding yourself, homey. Except possibly
> for a handful of Brahmacharis like Nand Kishore, MMY simply does have
> the c
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You are right, he does use many of the props and a
> > lot of the pretense.
> >
> > We're talking about McDonald's drive-thru style
> > meditation here. It
> > ain't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote:
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> > I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard
people
> > say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it.
However,
> > when you sit up in front
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim to
> have the experience of others.
So you are saying you have witnessed MMY formally accepting sishyas?
That's the point here, not that people do not or cannot derive some
benefit from him or
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