Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century"
Trust me if you knew what I'd been through, you'd understand. I have been in this industry for 10 years and I know what I'm talking about. Why should I be ashamed of saying that some women trade on their gender and then betray their own? Why are feminists so loathe to accept that? Let's get real. When a woman (not an Australian) sets out to sabotage your efforts in some strange powerplay I think it would be wrong to pretend everything is all sisterly and wonderful all the time. I have no intention of moving to London. It's not a stereotype, it was a very real incident. Yeah, I am very angry over it a year on. There is one major female promote/agent here who openly says she doesn't like working with women, it's awful, but at least she's straight up about it. There are so many wonderful international women I have worked with in this scene: Laura Gavoor, bless her, Angela Maison here who has created a scene, Sara Giampa, a great writer here, and in Detroit I have a lot of time for Barbara and Tamara Warren and others who are real catalysts in the music scene. However, I am not going to pretend women have been not allowed themselves to fall pray to divide and conquer. Every woman I have spoken to with considerable experience in the scene knows exactly what I mean. > Shame on you - bitching about women bitching about women. These are damaging > stereotypes, more so when women perpetuate them. > I don't know women like this, it depends on the person not the sex. And come > to think of it, i know loads and loads of blokes into techno and none of > them are into ornaments either. > Maybe you should move to London ;) > > > > -- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the > Biggest > War Criminals of the 21st Century" >>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 2:41 AM >> > >> "forced" ? LOL! I don't think this phenomenon is unique to music ;) >> >> "intrinsically knowledgable chicks" need more care and feeding than >> armpieces (this is bound to happen if one has a brain *and* uses it) so if >> a guy isn't interested in that part of a woman, an armpiece will do just >> fine. that's how it's been explained to me, anyways. >> >> I saw lots of ladies at Movement '03 and they weren't all ornament looking >> - mostly 'real' looking and having lots of fun with the music - with or >> without the guys! >> >> lisa >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 9:47 am >> Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest >> War Criminals of the 21st Century" >> >>> Ah, but I'd say there's an extent to which a lot of these males >>> are kind of forced into a situation like that - you could spend >>> *years* looking around for someone whose mindset and interests are >>> very compatible with your own, but because most people fall more >>> into the "ornament" category, that's who you're most likely to end >>> up with. >>> >>> Given the choice, I think most techno-geek sort of blokes would go >>> for an "intrinsically knowledgable 'chick'" over an "ornament" any >>> day! >>> Brendan >>> >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: 02 February 2004 14:43 >>> > To: Cyclone Wehner; 313@hyperreal.org >>> > Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the >>> > Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century" >>> > >>> > >>> > Sometimes I am shocked that some really intelligent males who >>> > love to share >>> > their music with others choose these girls that are not into >>> > the music at >>> > all (but are really good looking)... some people just aren't >>> > into soul mates >>> > methinks But then, music isn't everything. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >>> > Von: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Gesendet: Montag, 2. Februar 2004 15:13 >>> > An: 313 Detroit >>> > Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are >>> > the Biggest >>> > War Criminals of the 21st Century" >>> > >>> > >>> > Hey, that's me, but I'm dieting. ;) >>> > But 80 percent of the male trainspotters *I know* go out with >>> > ornaments, not >>> > "intrinsically knowledgeable 'chicks", usually 21 years old, >>> > then they get >>> > frustrated that they don't have someone who gets their music. ;) >>> > It takes hours and money and effort to be the perfect female >>> specimen,> doesn't leave much time for music. ; >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org >>> > >Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration >>> > Are the Biggest >>> > War >>> > Criminals of the 21st Century" >>> > >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 1:26 AM >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > D.May Quote from Robert>"I always prefer to play to a chick who's >>> > > intrinsically knowledgeable about life, than a >shirtless, >>> > sweaty guy >>> > who'd >>> > > dance to anything
Re: (313) Marketing Ghostly and Amp Fiddler
Interesting post. Just to put this in perspective, here in Chicago I've never ever seen an Amp Fiddler record. In contrast, at Gramaphone they get multiple copies of all the Ghostly stuff and it does seem to be selling pretty well... However I wasn't really aware that Matthew Dear was being so hyped, I really just checked out the records because they were in the store, had no idea he got written up in Rolling Stone or is supposed to be some next big thing. I haven't really heard mention of Amp Fiddler outside the 313 list. I did turn a couple of my hiphop-head friends on to Amp Fiddler however. The thing is, in the US, the "Urban/R&B" style is really very corporate and Amp Fiddler probably would have a harder time going over here the way he might be able to in the UK. The market for more indy urban sounds is rather small, like a minority of people that might dig on underground hiphop. Amp Fiddler would need to get played by Clear Channel and the like to have a chance in the US urban market. Ghostly International, on the other hand, probably will go over with people that are used to looking a little more out of the mainstream for their records, which means techno fans but maybe also a bit of indie-rock type crossover. That is how it appears to may but maybe somebody has a different take on it??? ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: (313) Marketing Ghostly and Amp Fiddler Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:01:27 - From: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. It's really interesting to compare that to how the Amp Fiddler album is being pushed in the UK. Not sure if I've mentioned, but 'Waltz of a Ghetto Fly' got 4 of 5 stars in the Metro, which is a sort of middle-of-the-road free paper primarilly for the tube in London. It's generally regarded as sh*t. Anyway... they've also had large ads for the album in it and at Stockwell station there's a full-size (five foot tall or so) ad for the album which I pass every day on the way to and from work. The only thing I've seen remotely as adventurous as this is an ad for The Rapture's album (which happened to occupy exactly the same spot). Meanwhile, you see Ghostly spending (what seems to me to be) quite a bit of money on promotion stateside (and here but to a comparitively lesser degree), and it's paid off in terms of journalistic attention, DJ interest and presumably sales judging by the growth of the label. It'll be interesting to see whether or not Amp Fiddler blows up here. He's certainly had some really high profile support so far. Obviously it's hard to compare the two that closely, since the Amp Fiddler stuff will be accessible to a much wider audience, but I'm still interested to see what happens. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Matthew Dear and STFU
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: Re: (313) Matthew Dear and STFU > Point of fact... > > Matthew's album was worked by Backspin Media. The same folks who do all of > the Compost stuff, as well as Vikter Duplaix, Louie Vega and folks like > that. > > I'll be honest, I'm not sure why the Matt Dear album has gotten picked-up > with such a fury. Except maybe to prepose that he is actually a new young > artists and its just that time. The obvious difference to me (if we're not looking at color), is that Compost, Vega and Duplaix are house, downtempo or broken beat artists, and Matthew Dear would more easilly be grouped with the clicky stuff, so I think that drawing a comparison between them because Backspin Media does the press is not terribly informative. Press companies will cover a fairly wide range of acts so I'm not persuaded that this has any significance to the discussion at hand. Presumably you'd mention those other labels because of the accolades they get as well? If it's not clear why Ghostly is receiving more attention from the US journalists, I would think that feeds Tom's arguments more than anything else. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I'm with Katrin on this... I think Derrick's pretty up to date on music and culture in general. He's into everything. In Nov/Dec when he toured here he was loving OutKast. Working on the festival has really spurred him to listen to all kinds of things. Not everyone who is in techno just listens to techno. At the Movement afterparty he played several fresh whites too, for example. Sure he's opinionated, hey, aren't we all here ;), but I think he enjoys pushing buttons, and arousing debate either way. I am sure he'd think that story was a success on the basis of that. I don't think he's arrogant, there's many sides to a person, people change. He's probably the only interviewing artist who ever bothers to ask the name of the interviewer, and find out about them and their interests, which I know has disarmed a lot of people. I agree personally with what he says on the Bush admin and I have similiar quotes from other artists, it's an expression of anger or frustration. But, hey, who turns down free records. ;) -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 9:14 PM > > > Yussel wrote> >>i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >>generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >>that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >>his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >>This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums. >>i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >>Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >>kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >>generation!? >>Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >>not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >>I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >>Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? > > This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I > always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work > out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote > comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said > though, he might just not be feeling it at all. > > It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact > that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some > of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what > came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. > > here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in > 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and > shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. > > I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right > twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as > he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always > will. > > so, anyway, back to the point > > I'm gonna send him a cd. > > alex > > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > >
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
I'm enjoying this topic too. Actually a lot of people in the industry thought JS wasn't as good as it used to be, and claimed that the sale and the move from Manc to London was the changing point, but I couldn't see that myself. I worried when they sold it as I knew they would have to be more accountable financially to someone. Some of the mag titles pulled should have stuck things out in this time of recession in the dance industry (eg Muzik, which was backed)... I know what Alex describes as arrogance, that gets to me too. Here in Aust our press is much more amateur (we have mainly street press) but I think there's less of that arrogance. I also really think that Q mag needs better dance (and more so urban) writers though, they are way out of line on most things in the review section. I think a lot of people in this scene are suspicious of 'fashion' but a little of that is OK as after all fashion generates change. When you look back nostalgically on the last 30 years a lot of the things you tie in with a certain time were fashions and are now 'classic', whether it be disco, early hip-hop, techno, whatever. I don't like when it's artificially induced as is the case perhaps in the English press these days, but I do like to have the excitement of something new, hip, in. I like it in terms of trendspotting. Flux is OK. But as to the future of the press, and mags, one thing that has proven influential here is a dance site www.inthemix.com.au which is updated every day with reviews, stories and news, but I think what gets people in is forums where people can share their thoughts on everything. It's more interactive. But nothing beats a magazine that you can read on a tram or in bed. -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 9:01 PM > > >>The decline of >>the UK dance music press continues - discuss. > > good topic! (but I'm sure the rest of the world doesnt care!) > Well, for a start, the way JS worded this press release makes it sound like > this is hardly the decline of the magazine, infact, quite the opposite! > Seems they're heading for world domination or something! > > far cry from Johnno and Paul's little office in Ducie House! those boys > went a long way in a short time. > > Tom - would be pretty interested to hear your views (although I'm sure > you're pretty busy). It looks like there will still be alot of content to > the magazine, and they're expanding further - which I guess they've been > doing for ages anyway in a smaller sense. > > I mean, as soon as they sold the title, it was always going to lose a sense > of where it started out, and I felt it 'declined' a little from there. > (only in my mind though, and I'm a minority - they just made it appeal to > more people). It's a shame but I haven't read it for some time anyway > really, as well as all the other music press - but I guess they lost people > like us ages ago, and doesn't the rest of the world detest the uk music > press anyway? > > I think the uk music press only really has itself to blame. (and I dont > mean the small freelancers pushing the stuff they like) There always seemed > to be such arrogance (or that is how it came across to me). > e.g. "What you should listen to this month", you SHOULD do this. They > always seemed to assume music lovers wanted the next thing pushing on them. > why not just provide information? reviews, interviews etc, instead of > tabloid style journalism. I stopped reading music magazines because they > actually wound me up. really. I really used to get actually wound up, and > not many other things wind me up. > > anyway... > > don't even know what my point was, just trying to coax mr magic feet into > posting his view... > > alex > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > >
Re: (313) Matthew Dear and STFU
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Point of fact... > > Matthew's album was worked by Backspin Media. The same folks who do all of > the Compost stuff, as well as Vikter Duplaix, Louie Vega and folks like > that. > > I'll be honest, I'm not sure why the Matt Dear album has gotten picked-up > with such a fury. Except maybe to prepose that he is actually a new young > artists and its just that time. or the fact that it really IS that good and people are "hyping" it because of that fact. i know when i really like something, i tell the whole damn world. derek.
RE: (313) Derrick May
*wink* :) > Anyone bored of this derrick may topic yet...apart from Derrick May ??
Re: (313) Matthew Dear and STFU
Point of fact... Matthew's album was worked by Backspin Media. The same folks who do all of the Compost stuff, as well as Vikter Duplaix, Louie Vega and folks like that. I'll be honest, I'm not sure why the Matt Dear album has gotten picked-up with such a fury. Except maybe to prepose that he is actually a new young artists and its just that time. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Kent williams wrote: > Jeez. > > 1. If Rolling Stone gives you 4 stars, you put it on the sticker. It > may well be that it only got reviewed in the first place because Ghostly > can afford a super-kick-ass publicist, it may well be that the reviewer > didn't have any context to judge, but if you get 4 stars it goes on > the CD. If for NO OTHER REASON THAT IT MAKES THE BIG TIME RACK JOBBERS > THINK THEY GOT SOMETHING THAT WILL SHIFT UNITS. > > Ghostly is run as a business. You can't fault them for doing what any > well-run record label would do. > > 2. Rolling Stone may be a lot of things -- chief among them, mostly > irrelevant -- but I think it's dumb to call the magazine racist. > > 3. Hostility on a mailing list is bullshit. > >
Re: (313) Matthew Dear / Spectral
> i would reccomend these to check out > > > stealing moves > anger management (should be officially rteleased soon, if not already) > dog days (original) > some new depression (from ghostly's idol tryouts) > krist (ceiling) (from ep2) > laguna madre (from ep1) > it's over now (from "leave luck to heaven" LP) I'll second those and recommend: Reason and Responsibility Been playing that one a lot lately, just can't get enough:) Peace, m*
(313) Kraftwerk remixes coming
>From a circular I just recieved from EMI's dance department: "Next up will be a rather special double pack - remixes of "Aerodynamik" by Kraftwerk! The Kling Klang boys themselves have revised the track, Alex Gopher and Etienne De Crecy have collaborated on an acid assault while Francois K delivers a deep musical tech excursion."
RE: AW: (313) mathhew dear and the Death of Detroit Techno as we knew it
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >fair enough. but what about the MASSES of people who DO have good > things > >to say about the album? arent you undermining THEIR opinion at > the same > >time? > > sure. its been pointed out many times before how many people have > bought backstreet boys albums. that doesnt make them good. i trust > my own opinion and the opinions of those who i respect. you couldnt make the point any father from this argument. using the backstreet boys as an example is so far out of the realm it isnt even funny. come up with one thats closer to what were talking about and maybe ill see where youre coming from. > >youre whole argument is reminding me of myself, working at > recordtime, > >when the first daft punk lp came out. i friggin HATED it with a > passion. > > i dont know what to tell you about that man. that record was ill. you missed the point. i was saying that i wrote off the record before i couldve given a formulated opion on it. IE: i should have acctually gave it a solid chance before i openly trashed it to everyone i know, and yes.. i did make it a racial argument back then. and then 2 black artists who i have enormus respect for to this day changed my opinion on it. > > >sounds to me like your perception is already skewed. and you > dislike > >matthews stuff for political reasons. > > how is that? ive said it at least 3 times already in this > discussion that i didnt really care for his stuff way before he > had any hype behind him. touche. > > >ok... BUT do you really think that everyone who gets the > magazine, reads > >EVERY review? > > no, but even if a percentages does its still going to reach many > many potential fans of the music. > and i think this is a good thing! theres nothing wrong with mainstream coverage. "leave luck to heaven" isnt trying to be underground. > >but as for the first > >part. you can say alot about the writers at rolling stone, > but saying > >theyre racists having not had an actual event of out and out > racism thrown > >in your face from them, is just making your whole argument even > sillier. > > do you want them to burn a cross on nelly's lawn? WTF. the only > racism is the KKK right? please. ignoring the artistic > accomplishments of black artists IS racism, duh. as is deiscrediting the acomplishments of white artists. im saying, why base it on color at all? > > >well, then i guess im saying prefer you shut yours, instead of > >discrediting something that alot of credible as well as > uncredible people > >say is groundbreaking and yes, innovative. > > i think you who call it "groundbreaking" and "innovative" should > get your mouths pried off the crackpipe that is superglued between > your lips. tell you what, you find me something that sounds as clean and has as much energy and life in the tracks, while still maintaining its sense of minimal in it and ill shut my hole. until then, i call it innovative and groundbreaking. its a breath of fresh air. something that really does stand out from the rest of the same old crap. even if i didnt like it personally, i would be able to note the difference just by listening to it a lil more objectively. > >right, but most of the people you have stated are being overlooked > >probably dont want the attention or press in the first place, or > they > >wouldve sent it to RS to get reviewed. and if it really was > exceptional > >(as well as underground, and presented to them in a professional > manner), > >they would probably mention it somehow. but i highly doubt its > racially > >motivated. > > well then i dont know what to say to you. if you need it proved to > you that mainstream media doesnt give coverage to black artists > outside of the accepted genres of r+b and hiphop, im not going to > do it. ask your boy shake about it. just sent the email. we'll see what he says. > >damn... i was right. that chip on your shoulder must really slow > you down. > > no it doesnt, it makes me stronger. good for you, too. derek.
Re: (313) Derrick May
Anyone bored of this derrick may topic yet...apart from Derrick May ??
Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century"
The problem is that "intrinsically knowledgable chicks" are occasionally conniving each other's downfall. It's nice - and powerful - to be the only woman in a male dominated arena and so when Ms Thing sees another girl, she is gon' stop at nothing to mark out her territory, humilate you in front of male colleagues, and just be as un-co-operative as she can. I'd prefer the odd light sexist comment (which is rare) from a male to another woman's brutal machinations. I call it B***h on B***h crime what women do to each other. Shame on you - bitching about women bitching about women. These are damaging stereotypes, more so when women perpetuate them. I don't know women like this, it depends on the person not the sex. And come to think of it, i know loads and loads of blokes into techno and none of them are into ornaments either. Maybe you should move to London ;) -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century" >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 2:41 AM > > "forced" ? LOL! I don't think this phenomenon is unique to music ;) > > "intrinsically knowledgable chicks" need more care and feeding than > armpieces (this is bound to happen if one has a brain *and* uses it) so if > a guy isn't interested in that part of a woman, an armpiece will do just > fine. that's how it's been explained to me, anyways. > > I saw lots of ladies at Movement '03 and they weren't all ornament looking > - mostly 'real' looking and having lots of fun with the music - with or > without the guys! > > lisa > > - Original Message - > From: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 9:47 am > Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest > War Criminals of the 21st Century" > >> Ah, but I'd say there's an extent to which a lot of these males >> are kind of forced into a situation like that - you could spend >> *years* looking around for someone whose mindset and interests are >> very compatible with your own, but because most people fall more >> into the "ornament" category, that's who you're most likely to end >> up with. >> >> Given the choice, I think most techno-geek sort of blokes would go >> for an "intrinsically knowledgable 'chick'" over an "ornament" any >> day! >> Brendan >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: 02 February 2004 14:43 >> > To: Cyclone Wehner; 313@hyperreal.org >> > Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the >> > Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century" >> > >> > >> > Sometimes I am shocked that some really intelligent males who >> > love to share >> > their music with others choose these girls that are not into >> > the music at >> > all (but are really good looking)... some people just aren't >> > into soul mates >> > methinks But then, music isn't everything. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> > Von: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Gesendet: Montag, 2. Februar 2004 15:13 >> > An: 313 Detroit >> > Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are >> > the Biggest >> > War Criminals of the 21st Century" >> > >> > >> > Hey, that's me, but I'm dieting. ;) >> > But 80 percent of the male trainspotters *I know* go out with >> > ornaments, not >> > "intrinsically knowledgeable 'chicks", usually 21 years old, >> > then they get >> > frustrated that they don't have someone who gets their music. ;) >> > It takes hours and money and effort to be the perfect female >> specimen,> doesn't leave much time for music. ; >> > >> > -- >> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org >> > >Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration >> > Are the Biggest >> > War >> > Criminals of the 21st Century" >> > >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 1:26 AM >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > D.May Quote from Robert>"I always prefer to play to a chick who's >> > > intrinsically knowledgeable about life, than a >shirtless, >> > sweaty guy >> > who'd >> > > dance to anything that has a beat." >> > > >> > > Q. Who pays D.May's wages? >> > > >> > > is it >> > > >> > > a) intrinsically knowledgeable 'chick'? >> > > or >> > > b) sweaty guy who dances to anything with a beat? >> > > >> > > ha, I'd rather deliver the post to "intrinsically >> > knowledgeable 'chick's" >> > > too, but theres only fat sweaty accountants here. oh well. >> > > >> > > p.s. any "intrinsically knowledgeable 'chick's" with a >> > large transmat >> > > collection and ticket stubs for d.mays last gigs, drop me a >> > line, I'd like >> > > to buy you dinner. >> > > _ >> > > >> > > - End of message text >> > > >> > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their >> > > individual, non-business capacity and is not on >> > > behalf of Pricewaterhouse
(313) Matthew Dear and STFU
Jeez. 1. If Rolling Stone gives you 4 stars, you put it on the sticker. It may well be that it only got reviewed in the first place because Ghostly can afford a super-kick-ass publicist, it may well be that the reviewer didn't have any context to judge, but if you get 4 stars it goes on the CD. If for NO OTHER REASON THAT IT MAKES THE BIG TIME RACK JOBBERS THINK THEY GOT SOMETHING THAT WILL SHIFT UNITS. Ghostly is run as a business. You can't fault them for doing what any well-run record label would do. 2. Rolling Stone may be a lot of things -- chief among them, mostly irrelevant -- but I think it's dumb to call the magazine racist. 3. Hostility on a mailing list is bullshit.
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
-- Original Message -- From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >fair enough. but what about the MASSES of people who DO have good things >to say about the album? arent you undermining THEIR opinion at the same >time? sure. its been pointed out many times before how many people have bought backstreet boys albums. that doesnt make them good. i trust my own opinion and the opinions of those who i respect. >by the way, ironicly, i had a conversation a couple weeks ago with derrick >may and he said he likes the ghostly stuff. not sure his thoughts specifly >on matthews work, but i just found it ironic that the topic (which >shouldve been changed many replies ago) has come full circle. i said earlier that i like alot of the ghostly stuff, matt dear's stuff i dont like. >youre whole argument is reminding me of myself, working at recordtime, >when the first daft punk lp came out. i friggin HATED it with a passion. i dont know what to tell you about that man. that record was ill. >sounds to me like your perception is already skewed. and you dislike >matthews stuff for political reasons. how is that? ive said it at least 3 times already in this discussion that i didnt really care for his stuff way before he had any hype behind him. >ok... BUT do you really think that everyone who gets the magazine, reads >EVERY review? no, but even if a percentages does its still going to reach many many potential fans of the music. >i dont think its readers would read the review and then say >"oh! so THIS is what that detroit techno stuff everyones been talkin about >for so long is all about!" i think youre overestimating people. >i think the decision from ghostly to put that >on its sticker was mainly to point out "wow! a mainstream media >publication took notice!" i think thats pretty cool acctually. well good for you. i think its a punk move by a label that i like. >besides, i didnt read any of these personally, so i have no proof but >im willing to bet $20 on each release that either spin or rolling stone >reviewed carl craig's "more songs about" and/or "designer music vol >1." and last time i checked, my man carl is pretty black. i read alot of this stuff becasue my little sister is subscribed to it. i cant remember reading a record review of a black electronic musician in any of them. >ui didnt read the whole derrick may arguments stated in previous posts, so >i have no insight to the last part of your statement he said that the festival would be a way to reach a new generation of kids that he says is lacking. >but as for the first >part. you can say alot about the writers at rolling stone, but saying >theyre racists having not had an actual event of out and out racism thrown >in your face from them, is just making your whole argument even sillier. do you want them to burn a cross on nelly's lawn? WTF. the only racism is the KKK right? please. ignoring the artistic accomplishments of black artists IS racism, duh. >well, then i guess im saying prefer you shut yours, instead of >discrediting something that alot of credible as well as uncredible people >say is groundbreaking and yes, innovative. i think you who call it "groundbreaking" and "innovative" should get your mouths pried off the crackpipe that is superglued between your lips. >if you dont get it, you dont get it. but basicly youre saying the record >is awful, and youre wrong. period. NEVER SAID THAT. you guys like trying to put words in my mouth. ive said "unimpressive", "nondescript", "uninteresting", and probably a couple other words to describe music that i find to be basically disposable but not repugnant. >like i think i stated before, you can dislike something and respect it at >the same time. i dont think ive disrespected it. all ive done is question why it gets mainstream props while other things don't. >right, but most of the people you have stated are being overlooked >probably dont want the attention or press in the first place, or they >wouldve sent it to RS to get reviewed. and if it really was exceptional >(as well as underground, and presented to them in a professional manner), >they would probably mention it somehow. but i highly doubt its racially >motivated. well then i dont know what to say to you. if you need it proved to you that mainstream media doesnt give coverage to black artists outside of the accepted genres of r+b and hiphop, im not going to do it. ask your boy shake about it. >damn... i was right. that chip on your shoulder must really slow you down. no it doesnt, it makes me stronger. tmo andythepooh.com
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Except that Felix was one of the main instigators of the electrofad. Not >the 'token black' in an all white scene. Nevermind the fact that Felix >(like virtually all of the first wave of Detroit techno) was mostly >inspired by European music made by white people. QUIT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. my point was that he got press as a result of a movement that was decidedly white faced. if it was all black artists, there would have been no press in the first place. >I find it truly pathetic that you would be so dismissive of a black >artists because he worked with white people. Felix should be >applauded fro being colorblind. i havent dismissed anything. i am not making value judgements on the quality of music made by white people vs black people. i didnt like felix's music either, but it had nothign to do with his color. >As for those musicians who keep their >immediate community all black- KDJ anyone- maybe they should approach >black magazines for reviews. Except, we've alreaddy established that the >dominant black culture isn't interested, so now it go to the white owned >outlets and then cry racism when its not picked-up. its about any mass media, white or black, having certain "Acceptable" genres of music for black people to make and listen to. this is bad. tom andythepooh.com
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > my conclusion that he doesnt deserve the hype is just that, my > opinion. the list of artists i could point out that i think > rightfully deserve some hype is also my opinion. however, i wasnt > the person who designed that nice sticker thats on the matt dear > album that says "4 stars - rolling stone". obviously someone is > miscontruing this endorsement as being meaningful, and that really > only serves to further undermine the credibility of people who are > actually into this music who dont say the same thing about the > album. fair enough. but what about the MASSES of people who DO have good things to say about the album? arent you undermining THEIR opinion at the same time? by the way, ironicly, i had a conversation a couple weeks ago with derrick may and he said he likes the ghostly stuff. not sure his thoughts specifly on matthews work, but i just found it ironic that the topic (which shouldve been changed many replies ago) has come full circle. youre whole argument is reminding me of myself, working at recordtime, when the first daft punk lp came out. i friggin HATED it with a passion. then, one day, claude young and shake came in and told me i was crazy. at that point, i took another listen (mostly because they defied my argumentwhich was coming from almost exactly the same stance youre coming from). still didnt like most of it. over the years, ive grown to love almost all of it and would still play alot of it out to this day. point being, i didnt know sh*t back then, apparently. all i know, is i never took the same argument again. i started to listen to things that had this much controversy to it completely before i started judging it. > you say its good, you have rolling stone behind you. i say > its not, i have a bunch of people whose knowledge of this music > drowns RS's. to the uninitiated, your case will outweight mine > because they know what RS is. this perception can only be a bad > thing, because perception can ultimately become reality. some kid > who might otherwise be into someone like kenny larkin or kdj or > derrick may if he heard them might intead check out matt dear > instead and from that point on his perception of "detroit techno" > will be skewed. sounds to me like your perception is already skewed. and you dislike matthews stuff for political reasons. >> but once again, i have to ask why do you care? its rolling >> stone! > > i care because RS hits more readers per month than any 313 list or > techno related mag is going to hit in any few years combined. > ok... BUT do you really think that everyone who gets the magazine, reads EVERY review? i dont think its readers would read the review and then say "oh! so THIS is what that detroit techno stuff everyones been talkin about for so long is all about!" i think the decision from ghostly to put that on its sticker was mainly to point out "wow! a mainstream media publication took notice!" i think thats pretty cool acctually. besides, i didnt read any of these personally, so i have no proof but im willing to bet $20 on each release that either spin or rolling stone reviewed carl craig's "more songs about" and/or "designer music vol 1." and last time i checked, my man carl is pretty black. > >you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to > rolling > >stone for them to review in the first place. maybe rolling stone > should be > >going out and buying the moodymann record and reviewing it on > their own, > >but thats rolling stones fault. > > here's exactly my point, boiled down to its essence: rolling stone > doesnt go out to find a moodymann record because theyre clueless > racists. it is these clueless racists who are beaming their > misinformed opinions into the minds of tons of kids who might > otherwise discover better techno if RS was more responsible. and > ghostly/spectral chooses to put a sticker on their record showing > how great the ignorant racist white media likes their record. this > is all bad news. derrick desiring to reach people with a better > rounded version of what detroit techno is through the festival is > a good thing. he's not ignorant of matt dear, didnt he play the > festival this past year? however he is not the end all be all of > detroit techno. and derrick may wants to take initiative to make > sure people can still get the real deal from somewhere, namely the > festival. > ui didnt read the whole derrick may arguments stated in previous posts, so i have no insight to the last part of your statement, but as for the first part. you can say alot about the writers at rolling stone, but saying theyre racists having not had an actual event of out and out racism thrown in your face from them, is just making your whole argument even sillier. > >if you want them to review it so bad, send > >em a copy, include your email address, and see what they say > about it > >afterwards. > > i dont feel like its
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Except that Felix was one of the main instigators of the electrofad. Not the 'token black' in an all white scene. Nevermind the fact that Felix (like virtually all of the first wave of Detroit techno) was mostly inspired by European music made by white people. And much like techno- electroclash had its basis in music by white artists- was then filtered through a black artist's interpretation of that music- and then subsequently consumed by white fans again. I find it truly pathetic that you would be so dismissive of a black artists because he worked with white people. Felix should be applauded fro being colorblind. As for those musicians who keep their immediate community all black- KDJ anyone- maybe they should approach black magazines for reviews. Except, we've alreaddy established that the dominant black culture isn't interested, so now it go to the white owned outlets and then cry racism when its not picked-up. What a loose, loose, loose, loose situation. > > okay, i didnt think i needed to get into an argument so detailed > on a tengential point but here you go: > > felix may be black, but the music that surrounded the hype was > made, promoted, and popularized by white people (naming black > electroclash aritsts is almost as easy as naming black country > singers. even moderately alright people involved like dj hell are > all white). his record even had a white face to it for the > vocals. so he was not an exception to the rule. > > tomm > > > andythepooh.com > > > > >
Re: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
- Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > I did say 'tend' to. > Anyway, you know I don't think as much of Amp Fiddler as you do, T! True. Don't know why I even bothered to make that point, other than that I'm struggling to maintain my perception that the only kind of black music that sells is of the thug/bling/begging* variety, and that it tends to be compromised/diluted, as you say. Pop music seems to be spreading its wings, as much as it's difficult for me to say that. I still think the music industry is f*cked, and racist, but it's hard to maintain the (forgive me) black and whiteness of my notions about it. *'begging music' is a term my friend Jason coined AFAIK, to identify the overtly desperate baby-please-take-me-back R&B that dominated in the mid-'90s, which I find particularly irritating - as though it were the only sort of soul that could sell at the time. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Original Message -- From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Isn't that to do with the fact that the artists you mentioned aren't as commercial as someone like Felix? >Nobody likes electronic music, so it's no surprise it is ignored by the mainstream press. >The only producers/artists who do tend to make it into the mags are usually pushing something compromised, diluted or old hat. so explain matt dear. his music certainly isnt "commercial". i do agree with you to a degree, but when exceptions are made theyre always to support white people. which is not good. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >leaves out black artists!? >did you watch the superbowl show? janet, nelly, p.diddy compared to kid >rock and justin. that's as mainstream as it gets- and its a 60/40 black >ratio. > >which given the country's percentages of minority population, i'd say that >black artists in the mainstream are doing alright. > >why don't you just say you get annoyed that artist you LIKE get left out. it has nothign to do with what i like. all the artists you mentioned are either r+b singers or rappers. those are the accepted music genres for black people to be involved in. youre actually backing up my point that black artists outside those genres dont get any love from the major press. tom andythepooh.com
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Are you certain its US. MAybe its being re-released (which happens a lot >when a small label puts out a record that then gets picked-up by a bigger >label). All I know is, the promo copy I just recieved- which is what >Rolling Stone would have also recieved- has a release date stated for May. perhaps its not a US release, but it cant be much less widely avaliable than the matt dear. >> anyway, its not necessarily about the past 3 months. and i dont >> object to LFO because they already have a fanbase that could >> benefit from reading a review of their record. > >so popular stuff can be reviewed? huh? wha? catering to an established audience makes some sense, reguardless of the reason for the artist's popularity. >why 'whatever to felix?' if the debate is open to discuss crystal method >vs. kdj, than i definately think felix falls somewhere in the fair play >arena. > >'whatever'??? you're debate skills are faltering. okay, i didnt think i needed to get into an argument so detailed on a tengential point but here you go: felix may be black, but the music that surrounded the hype was made, promoted, and popularized by white people (naming black electroclash aritsts is almost as easy as naming black country singers. even moderately alright people involved like dj hell are all white). his record even had a white face to it for the vocals. so he was not an exception to the rule. tomm andythepooh.com
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I did say 'tend' to. Anyway, you know I don't think as much of Amp Fiddler as you do, T! -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:23 PM To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno - Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > Isn't that to do with the fact that the artists you mentioned aren't as commercial as someone like Felix? > Nobody likes electronic music, so it's no surprise it is ignored by the mainstream press. > The only producers/artists who do tend to make it into the mags are usually pushing something compromised, diluted or old hat. > Like The Outkast and Amp Fiddler, right? Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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> > youre the person who is making jacka_s like statements, not me. i > personally appreciate diversity and when mainstream media > conveniently and purposely leaves out black artists i get offended > and irritated. > leaves out black artists!? did you watch the superbowl show? janet, nelly, p.diddy compared to kid rock and justin. that's as mainstream as it gets- and its a 60/40 black ratio. which given the country's percentages of minority population, i'd say that black artists in the mainstream are doing alright. why don't you just say you get annoyed that artist you LIKE get left out. > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > >
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> describe "official". im sitting here looking at the finished US CD > and LP versions of the album. they look just as official as the > matt dear record, and they sell better too ; ) Are you certain its US. MAybe its being re-released (which happens a lot when a small label puts out a record that then gets picked-up by a bigger label). All I know is, the promo copy I just recieved- which is what Rolling Stone would have also recieved- has a release date stated for May. > > anyway, its not necessarily about the past 3 months. and i dont > object to LFO because they already have a fanbase that could > benefit from reading a review of their record. so popular stuff can be reviewed? huh? wha? but look over the > last year and youll not see KDJ, andres, alton miller, larry > heard, etc etc in major magazines. you might get a felix da > housecat, but whatever. > why 'whatever to felix?' if the debate is open to discuss crystal method vs. kdj, than i definately think felix falls somewhere in the fair play arena. 'whatever'??? you're debate skills are faltering. > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > >
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Isn't that to do with the fact that the artists you mentioned aren't as commercial as someone like Felix? Nobody likes electronic music, so it's no surprise it is ignored by the mainstream press. The only producers/artists who do tend to make it into the mags are usually pushing something compromised, diluted or old hat. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:17 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno look over the last year and youll not see KDJ, andres, alton miller, larry heard, etc etc in major magazines. you might get a felix da housecat, but whatever. tom andythepooh.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Marketing Ghostly and Amp Fiddler
Just a side note about Amp Fiddler : they'll be playing live in Paris in February - in the New Morning, a famous jazz club... Gwendal -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Marketing Ghostly and Amp Fiddler - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. It's really interesting to compare that to how the Amp Fiddler album is being pushed in the UK. Not sure if I've mentioned, but 'Waltz of a Ghetto Fly' got 4 of 5 stars in the Metro, which is a sort of middle-of-the-road free paper primarilly for the tube in London. It's generally regarded as sh*t. Anyway... they've also had large ads for the album in it and at Stockwell station there's a full-size (five foot tall or so) ad for the album which I pass every day on the way to and from work. The only thing I've seen remotely as adventurous as this is an ad for The Rapture's album (which happened to occupy exactly the same spot). Meanwhile, you see Ghostly spending (what seems to me to be) quite a bit of money on promotion stateside (and here but to a comparitively lesser degree), and it's paid off in terms of journalistic attention, DJ interest and presumably sales judging by the growth of the label. It'll be interesting to see whether or not Amp Fiddler blows up here. He's certainly had some really high profile support so far. Obviously it's hard to compare the two that closely, since the Amp Fiddler stuff will be accessible to a much wider audience, but I'm still interested to see what happens. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yeah- the world would be a really awful place if all the kids listened to >Matt Dear instead of KDJ. > > >/rolls eyes/ youre the person who is making jacka_s like statements, not me. i personally appreciate diversity and when mainstream media conveniently and purposely leaves out black artists i get offended and irritated. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Oh Now You've Done It! > >Name me 3 black artists who have released records in the past 3 months >that deserve equal props (the crystal method being the obvious exception, >though their music is crossing over into alternative rock on the radio >over here) > >And MAp Fiddler's album doesn't get an official US release until May, so >that doesn't count. describe "official". im sitting here looking at the finished US CD and LP versions of the album. they look just as official as the matt dear record, and they sell better too ; ) anyway, its not necessarily about the past 3 months. and i dont object to LFO because they already have a fanbase that could benefit from reading a review of their record. but look over the last year and youll not see KDJ, andres, alton miller, larry heard, etc etc in major magazines. you might get a felix da housecat, but whatever. tom andythepooh.com
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> some kid > who might otherwise be into someone like kenny larkin or kdj or > derrick may if he heard them might intead check out matt dear > instead and from that point on his perception of "detroit techno" > will be skewed. Yeah- the world would be a really awful place if all the kids listened to Matt Dear instead of KDJ. /rolls eyes/ > > > >ever thought > >that maybe, just maybe, it some music that you, as well as the > people in > >the shop you work at, are just not ready for? and theres nothing > wrong > >with that either, mind you. theres tons of stuff that just goes > over > >peoples heads at first. > > ill put the squad that shops here up against any squad of > selectors you can find. the range of tastes is pretty wide. thats > certainly not the problem. > > >dont get me wrong, i fully share your argument that things in > mainstream > >media get alot of attention based on a hype machine, but i just > dont think > >matthews stuff fits in that argument. i, as well as MANY other > people who > >do in fact think outside the box when it comes to music in > general, think > >that matthews music is truly some next level sh*t. > > im more than willing to be proved wrong. i was the first person to > listen to the LP when we got it in. i was underwhelmed, and every > single person whos musical opinion i respect locally has passed on > it since then. > > >i guess when you look at it from that perspective, maybe it is a > little > >odd. but once again, i have to ask why do you care? its rolling > stone! > > i care because RS hits more readers per month than any 313 list or > techno related mag is going to hit in any few years combined. > > >you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to > rolling > >stone for them to review in the first place. maybe rolling stone > should be > >going out and buying the moodymann record and reviewing it on > their own, > >but thats rolling stones fault. > > here's exactly my point, boiled down to its essence: rolling stone > doesnt go out to find a moodymann record because theyre clueless > racists. it is these clueless racists who are beaming their > misinformed opinions into the minds of tons of kids who might > otherwise discover better techno if RS was more responsible. and > ghostly/spectral chooses to put a sticker on their record showing > how great the ignorant racist white media likes their record. this > is all bad news. derrick desiring to reach people with a better > rounded version of what detroit techno is through the festival is > a good thing. he's not ignorant of matt dear, didnt he play the > festival this past year? however he is not the end all be all of > detroit techno. and derrick may wants to take initiative to make > sure people can still get the real deal from somewhere, namely the > festival. > > >if you want them to review it so bad, send > >em a copy, include your email address, and see what they say > about it > >afterwards. > > i dont feel like its my responsibility to put a record into the > hands of someone who wouldnt know what to do with it. id prefer RS > just shut their mouths instead of trying to overhype something > that really isnt that exceptional. > > >fair enough but wtf do YOU know? wtf do *I* know?? it sounds > more > >like your not liking his music even more, because some > publications took > >notice and like his stuff. thats a pretty crappy chip to have on > your > >shoulder. > > i was underwhelmed by all his music i heard before this (first > spectral 12" being the exception, and i didnt like it enough to > buy it). now that he's getting props for average music it makes me > mad for sure, mainly because of the reasons that more deserving > people are being overlooked. > > >i dont know. look at it this way, i guess wether you like his > music > >or not is up to you. but, i feel that anything coming from > detroit that is > >of a certain quality getting good media coverage, can only help > the > >artists in detroit who havent gotten the attention they deserve. > >cant something be said for supportting an artist? > > if there wasnt any racism in the world, i would wholeheartedly > agree with you. unfortunately, the reality is that more deserving > black artists are getting no press because they dont fit into > major music label and media's perception that all black people > should either be thug emcees or "neo soul" crooners. hyping > another white artist isnt going to help things. > > like i said many posts ago, the fact that he is white means > nothing at all to me. when recloose was getting some hype, i was > happy because i thought it was well deserved. this time around, > the music isnt as good which makes me question why matt dear is > getting the hype he is getting. > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > >
RE: (313) Marketing Ghostly and Amp Fiddler
Amp Fiddler's album is soon to be the album of choice for thirtysomething lawyers and suits who also bought Massive Attack, Portishead and LTJ Bukem to play in the background at their dinner parties. Just you wait. -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Marketing Ghostly and Amp Fiddler - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. It's really interesting to compare that to how the Amp Fiddler album is being pushed in the UK. Not sure if I've mentioned, but 'Waltz of a Ghetto Fly' got 4 of 5 stars in the Metro, which is a sort of middle-of-the-road free paper primarilly for the tube in London. It's generally regarded as sh*t. Anyway... they've also had large ads for the album in it and at Stockwell station there's a full-size (five foot tall or so) ad for the album which I pass every day on the way to and from work. The only thing I've seen remotely as adventurous as this is an ad for The Rapture's album (which happened to occupy exactly the same spot). Meanwhile, you see Ghostly spending (what seems to me to be) quite a bit of money on promotion stateside (and here but to a comparitively lesser degree), and it's paid off in terms of journalistic attention, DJ interest and presumably sales judging by the growth of the label. It'll be interesting to see whether or not Amp Fiddler blows up here. He's certainly had some really high profile support so far. Obviously it's hard to compare the two that closely, since the Amp Fiddler stuff will be accessible to a much wider audience, but I'm still interested to see what happens. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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-- Original Message -- From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >i guess this is getting closer to the root of what is ultimatly annoying >me about this whole thread. why is it that just because a publication, in >which you even said who cares what they think, gives a favorable review to >a record that you dont like, so therefore said artist is undeserving of >the hype? my conclusion that he doesnt deserve the hype is just that, my opinion. the list of artists i could point out that i think rightfully deserve some hype is also my opinion. however, i wasnt the person who designed that nice sticker thats on the matt dear album that says "4 stars - rolling stone". obviously someone is miscontruing this endorsement as being meaningful, and that really only serves to further undermine the credibility of people who are actually into this music who dont say the same thing about the album. you say its good, you have rolling stone behind you. i say its not, i have a bunch of people whose knowledge of this music drowns RS's. to the uninitiated, your case will outweight mine because they know what RS is. this perception can only be a bad thing, because perception can ultimately become reality. some kid who might otherwise be into someone like kenny larkin or kdj or derrick may if he heard them might intead check out matt dear instead and from that point on his perception of "detroit techno" will be skewed. >ever thought >that maybe, just maybe, it some music that you, as well as the people in >the shop you work at, are just not ready for? and theres nothing wrong >with that either, mind you. theres tons of stuff that just goes over >peoples heads at first. ill put the squad that shops here up against any squad of selectors you can find. the range of tastes is pretty wide. thats certainly not the problem. >dont get me wrong, i fully share your argument that things in mainstream >media get alot of attention based on a hype machine, but i just dont think >matthews stuff fits in that argument. i, as well as MANY other people who >do in fact think outside the box when it comes to music in general, think >that matthews music is truly some next level sh*t. im more than willing to be proved wrong. i was the first person to listen to the LP when we got it in. i was underwhelmed, and every single person whos musical opinion i respect locally has passed on it since then. >i guess when you look at it from that perspective, maybe it is a little >odd. but once again, i have to ask why do you care? its rolling stone! i care because RS hits more readers per month than any 313 list or techno related mag is going to hit in any few years combined. >you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling >stone for them to review in the first place. maybe rolling stone should be >going out and buying the moodymann record and reviewing it on their own, >but thats rolling stones fault. here's exactly my point, boiled down to its essence: rolling stone doesnt go out to find a moodymann record because theyre clueless racists. it is these clueless racists who are beaming their misinformed opinions into the minds of tons of kids who might otherwise discover better techno if RS was more responsible. and ghostly/spectral chooses to put a sticker on their record showing how great the ignorant racist white media likes their record. this is all bad news. derrick desiring to reach people with a better rounded version of what detroit techno is through the festival is a good thing. he's not ignorant of matt dear, didnt he play the festival this past year? however he is not the end all be all of detroit techno. and derrick may wants to take initiative to make sure people can still get the real deal from somewhere, namely the festival. >if you want them to review it so bad, send >em a copy, include your email address, and see what they say about it >afterwards. i dont feel like its my responsibility to put a record into the hands of someone who wouldnt know what to do with it. id prefer RS just shut their mouths instead of trying to overhype something that really isnt that exceptional. >fair enough but wtf do YOU know? wtf do *I* know?? it sounds more >like your not liking his music even more, because some publications took >notice and like his stuff. thats a pretty crappy chip to have on your >shoulder. i was underwhelmed by all his music i heard before this (first spectral 12" being the exception, and i didnt like it enough to buy it). now that he's getting props for average music it makes me mad for sure, mainly because of the reasons that more deserving people are being overlooked. >i dont know. look at it this way, i guess wether you like his music >or not is up to you. but, i feel that anything coming from detroit that is >of a certain quality getting good media coverage, can only help the
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag > is anyone entertaining the notion that UK Mags are so into trends, that > when someone declared the death o magazines a trend, they all followed off > the cliff like lemmings. No, but that's the best theory I've heard yet! :) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. It's really interesting to compare that to how the Amp Fiddler album is being pushed in the UK. Not sure if I've mentioned, but 'Waltz of a Ghetto Fly' got 4 of 5 stars in the Metro, which is a sort of middle-of-the-road free paper primarilly for the tube in London. It's generally regarded as sh*t. Anyway... they've also had large ads for the album in it and at Stockwell station there's a full-size (five foot tall or so) ad for the album which I pass every day on the way to and from work. The only thing I've seen remotely as adventurous as this is an ad for The Rapture's album (which happened to occupy exactly the same spot). Meanwhile, you see Ghostly spending (what seems to me to be) quite a bit of money on promotion stateside (and here but to a comparitively lesser degree), and it's paid off in terms of journalistic attention, DJ interest and presumably sales judging by the growth of the label. It'll be interesting to see whether or not Amp Fiddler blows up here. He's certainly had some really high profile support so far. Obviously it's hard to compare the two that closely, since the Amp Fiddler stuff will be accessible to a much wider audience, but I'm still interested to see what happens. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Who are Crystal Method? Aren't they, rrgg, "nuskool breakz"? There's some guys from the US called that playing down my local on Thursday. Aren't they white college boys? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:52 PM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > > i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i > like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's > records almost at all. that first spectral 12" i think it was was > alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not > just me: we got one copy of his LP in at the record shop i work at > and it hasnt sold. we sell lots of "soulful" dance music made by > both white and black people (as well as asian and hispanic) but > not a soul (pun intended) has found something interesting enough > in his album to buy it. no one who buys the recloose or the > titonton or the alton miller records that we stock has been > motivated to buy it. i feel like theres a pretty good amount of > undeserved hype behind this guy, and i think that alot of people > can see through that. who cares how many stars rolling stone gave > him? all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. matt dear's record will probably > sit there for months, if not forever. its too bad because i do > like alot of what ghostly does (like 75% or so, the other 25% is > kinda trying to hard maybe) but i feel like they picked the wrong > artist to get all hyped up about. the midwest product and dabrye > stuff is so much better on pretty much every level. > Oh Now You've Done It! Name me 3 black artists who have released records in the past 3 months that deserve equal props (the crystal method being the obvious exception, though their music is crossing over into alternative rock on the radio over here) And MAp Fiddler's album doesn't get an official US release until May, so that doesn't count. > as for why it happens to be a white guy who gets the props from > mainstream music mags for his great "techno" record while other > people who make great records who are black dont get the props, > thats something that might need to be examined. a quick glance at > my little sister's one recent rolling stone mag revealed reviews > of these artists: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD > soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions > of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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> > i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i > like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's > records almost at all. that first spectral 12" i think it was was > alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not > just me: we got one copy of his LP in at the record shop i work at > and it hasnt sold. we sell lots of "soulful" dance music made by > both white and black people (as well as asian and hispanic) but > not a soul (pun intended) has found something interesting enough > in his album to buy it. no one who buys the recloose or the > titonton or the alton miller records that we stock has been > motivated to buy it. i feel like theres a pretty good amount of > undeserved hype behind this guy, and i think that alot of people > can see through that. who cares how many stars rolling stone gave > him? all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. matt dear's record will probably > sit there for months, if not forever. its too bad because i do > like alot of what ghostly does (like 75% or so, the other 25% is > kinda trying to hard maybe) but i feel like they picked the wrong > artist to get all hyped up about. the midwest product and dabrye > stuff is so much better on pretty much every level. > Oh Now You've Done It! Name me 3 black artists who have released records in the past 3 months that deserve equal props (the crystal method being the obvious exception, though their music is crossing over into alternative rock on the radio over here) And MAp Fiddler's album doesn't get an official US release until May, so that doesn't count. > as for why it happens to be a white guy who gets the props from > mainstream music mags for his great "techno" record while other > people who make great records who are black dont get the props, > thats something that might need to be examined. a quick glance at > my little sister's one recent rolling stone mag revealed reviews > of these artists: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD > soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions > of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > >
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Guys, why don't you simply leave Derrick May his opinion? Is it really so important to go nuts about it? This thread reminds me of old women talking about articles of the royal family in the yellow press :) Just my 2 cent, Ronny
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> While we're on this - anyone care to give their favourite Matthew > Dear/Ghostly/Spectral track? Many will disagree with me, but i think you mostly just need Leave Luck to Heaven and the Stealing Moves 12". I find everyhting Matt released between thos etwo to be rather unessential. Then again- there's probably some purist on here who just love "Hands Up For Detroit" =P and obviously- anything by Osborn- Bout Ready to Jak and Daylight (the original for me- thanks.)
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if you can't hear any soul in matthew dear, you need to seriously check what it is you like about music. now- if you really only care about prototypical Detroit techno, then you might as well just listen to jam bands, because you my friend are a Dinosaur. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote: > not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew > dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection > to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just > happens to be from detroit..and i mean look at what ends up under the > "techno" listing on new release lists etc...first, there's not much, 2nd > what there is is 80--90% lifeless dj tool crap... > > > >I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment. > > > > > > > >-Urspr?ngliche Nachricht- > >Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09 > >An: 313@hyperreal.org > >Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > > > >I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said > > > > > "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able > > > to do > > > it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next > > > generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our > > > footsteps." > > > >he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation > >of > >young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our > >footsteps." > > > >I've had discussions on several disparate occasions with Black Detroit > >artists (Rob Hood, Kenny Larkin, Bone, etc.) and they all bemoaned to me > >the fact that there seemed to be no young Black cats coming up through > >the ranks - that all the young brothers were just interested in Hip-Hop > >now, > >and didn't care about Techno. They all understood why things were the > >way they were, but it made them sad nevertheless. > > > >Obviously I don't live in Detroit so I don't know all the current > >players > >on the scene, but off the top of my head I couldn't think of anyone > >younger than, say, Sean Deason (chime in Sean!) or Kenny Dixon Jr. (or > >our own Jwan, if we stretch Detroit over to Pittsburgh :-) ). > > > >(One thing that triggered my thinking of this line of reasoning was > >listening > > to Kenny's old Dark Comedy track "Without A Sound (Silent Mix)" from > >"Corbomite > > Maneuver". [EMAIL PROTECTED] what a sublime track. It's going on my > > Wedding > >music list.) > > > > - Greg > > > > _ > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed > experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > >
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HUH? You come on about people judging, but then you demurely approve of the notion that race might be an issue? I mean- Greg could very well be right, but that honestly makes me more angry. The notion that the "Old Black Guard" would dismiss the excellent music and hard work of my white friends is despicable!!! Nevermind the fact that the whole Detrot highschool party scene that built Detroit techno was actually small group of teenagers who choose not to use the typical urban style guide and instead make a bunch of pasty white europeans their style/music markers. I do think its unfair for for the mob on this list to declare what Derrick said to be racially motivated, although given Mr. Earle's deductive reasoning skills, I certainly see where it could be the truth. But to just roll over and say- 'yeah, that must be it' to such a broad and sweeping statemtn about such a delicate topic just makes me wanna snap back with- "Yeah, typical Germans and their ingrained awareness of racial difference and subsequent guilt complex since WWII" But it wouldn't be right for me make statements like that. =P On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Katrin Richter wrote: > I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment. > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09 > An: 313@hyperreal.org > Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > > I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said > > > "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able > > to do > > it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next > > generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our > > footsteps." > > he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation > of > young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our > footsteps." > > I've had discussions on several disparate occasions with Black Detroit > artists (Rob Hood, Kenny Larkin, Bone, etc.) and they all bemoaned to me > the fact that there seemed to be no young Black cats coming up through > the ranks - that all the young brothers were just interested in Hip-Hop > now, > and didn't care about Techno. They all understood why things were the > way they were, but it made them sad nevertheless. > > Obviously I don't live in Detroit so I don't know all the current > players > on the scene, but off the top of my head I couldn't think of anyone > younger than, say, Sean Deason (chime in Sean!) or Kenny Dixon Jr. (or > our own Jwan, if we stretch Detroit over to Pittsburgh :-) ). > > (One thing that triggered my thinking of this line of reasoning was > listening > to Kenny's old Dark Comedy track "Without A Sound (Silent Mix)" from > "Corbomite > Maneuver". [EMAIL PROTECTED] what a sublime track. It's going on my > Wedding > music list.) > > - Greg > >
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i meant kenny dixon jr. but there we go! lets all MAKE CERTAIN rolling stone gets a copy of the narcisist lp when it comes out. that lp is fantastic!! derek. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Robert Taylor wrote: > Funny you should say that - Kenny Larkin was in The Observer (major UK Sunday > broadsheet) recently - his Metaphor album was recommended to calm a crime > novelist's nerves, in a feature called the Record Doctor. > > -Original Message- > From: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:12 PM > To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > > you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling > stone for them to review in the first place. > > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This > email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of > the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this > email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > # > >
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Funny you should say that - Kenny Larkin was in The Observer (major UK Sunday broadsheet) recently - his Metaphor album was recommended to calm a crime novelist's nerves, in a feature called the Record Doctor. -Original Message- From: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:12 PM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling stone for them to review in the first place. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Never mind -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:35 AM To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Mmmmh, don't know what this has got to do with it. Discuss. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:28 An: Katrin Richter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Only if you have a vagina! ;-) -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He replies to every email you send him. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Yussel wrote> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums... >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >generation!? >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said though, he might just not be feeling it at all. It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always will. so, anyway, back to the point I'm gonna send him a cd. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: "matt kane's brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote: > >>crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD > >>soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions > >>of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? > > > >I'm afraid it's just nothing out of the ordinary. > > of course its not, and this is my point. i think matt dear gets > publicity because he's a white guy from detroit making "techno", > not because his music is better than other stuff coming out right > now. i feel like the popularity of his album is mostly based on > hype. seriously, if rolling stone had any idea what was going on, > dont you think theyd review moodymann instead of crystal method? you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling stone for them to review in the first place. maybe rolling stone should be going out and buying the moodymann record and reviewing it on their own, but thats rolling stones fault. if you want them to review it so bad, send em a copy, include your email address, and see what they say about it afterwards. besides, you just said it yourself... "wtf do they know?"... couldnt agree more. > ditto with spin and whatever other mainstream white magazines > decided that matt dear is now the torch carrier for detroit > techno. wtf do they know? fair enough but wtf do YOU know? wtf do *I* know?? it sounds more like your not liking his music even more, because some publications took notice and like his stuff. thats a pretty crappy chip to have on your shoulder. i dont know. look at it this way, i guess wether you like his music or not is up to you. but, i feel that anything coming from detroit that is of a certain quality getting good media coverage, can only help the artists in detroit who havent gotten the attention they deserve. cant something be said for supportting an artist? hell man, it seems to me just the differences in opinions, and more importantly the reasons WHY, proove even more that matthew dear is a detroit techno artist its got all the same properties of drama that surrounds any other techno artist from detroit that gets any kind of attention. derek.
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
is anyone entertaining the notion that UK Mags are so into trends, that when someone declared the death o magazines a trend, they all followed off the cliff like lemmings. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >What do you think weighs most on the decline of the paper dance magz? > > hmm, well to be sure I dont know! > I reckon a combination of all those points though... > > It's funny though. Say, in the example of jockey slut. They changed their > magazine to suit a more main-stream view right? > Well, now, the main-stream lost interest right? as 'it' (the mainstream) > was always more interested in the lifestyle aspect of it 'clubbing' etc. so > now, having alienated the people who bought that magazine originally (who I > suspect are still around and still very interested in music) - they have no > audience left as the 'faddy' people who they wanted to appeal to (the more > mainstream) moved on to doing something else. > just another thing to add to the list? > > remember, they sold that title. this was 'selling out', theres no way round > that. > and, in no way am I condemning that - I would have done exactly the same > thing. > when it was sold, it became somthing different. Maybe if it hadn't have > been sold it would still be thriving. > > But of course, from their point of view, they now get to do a record label, > some exciting things on the net, large events etc - so maybe they did take > the right direction, and also now they have a big company willing to invest > in their ideas, where as if they had to do it themselves, they wouldnt have > been able to afford it. > > so I reckon theres two clear sides to the argument. > > I also reckon its the first time I've actually noticed how the internet has > changed the media. > > dont reckon its too bad really. > > alex > > > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
Re: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
SHOCK AND AWE!!! I don't think anyone is judging or condeming ( where were you for the Mills thread two weeks back). However- no one has actually offered any suggetions for what to put on a comp CD. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Katrin Richter wrote: > I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to > the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He > replies to every email you send him. > > Peace > Kat > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15 > An: 313@hyperreal.org > Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > > > Yussel wrote> > >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer > >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe > >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because > >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. > >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums. > >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. > >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the > >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new > >generation!? > >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just > >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. > >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. > >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? > > This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I > always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work > out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote > comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said > though, he might just not be feeling it at all. > > It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact > that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some > of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what > came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. > > here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in > 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and > shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. > > I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right > twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as > he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always > will. > > so, anyway, back to the point > > I'm gonna send him a cd. > > alex > > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Disclaimer: I wasn't trying to incite 313's annual Flame War About Race. I was only trying to theorize why Derrick May made the comment he made. That's all. I like Matthew Dear and "Idol Tryouts" (the Dykehouse Wire cover is the best Wire cover I've ever heard). And I like Derek Plaslaiko :-) Detroit may be depressing for both White and Black (and Other) people, but despite that, it's still produced the greatest bunch of people I've ever met. (Maybe I'm biased, because I've only met the 313 family.) That is all. Carry on. - Greg
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > -- Original Message -- > > i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i > like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's > records almost at all. > that first spectral 12" i think it was was > alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not > just me: we got one copy of his LP in at the record shop i work at > and it hasnt sold. we sell lots of "soulful" dance music made by > both white and black people (as well as asian and hispanic) but > not a soul (pun intended) has found something interesting enough > in his album to buy it. no one who buys the recloose or the > titonton or the alton miller records that we stock has been > motivated to buy it. i feel like theres a pretty good amount of > undeserved hype behind this guy, and i think that alot of people > can see through that. who cares how many stars rolling stone gave > him? all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > about him for a little while now. matt dear's record will probably > sit there for months, if not forever. its too bad because i do > like alot of what ghostly does (like 75% or so, the other 25% is > kinda trying to hard maybe) but i feel like they picked the wrong > artist to get all hyped up about. the midwest product and dabrye > stuff is so much better on pretty much every level. i guess this is getting closer to the root of what is ultimatly annoying me about this whole thread. why is it that just because a publication, in which you even said who cares what they think, gives a favorable review to a record that you dont like, so therefore said artist is undeserving of the hype? why does it have to be bad hype in the first place? ever thought that maybe, just maybe, it some music that you, as well as the people in the shop you work at, are just not ready for? and theres nothing wrong with that either, mind you. theres tons of stuff that just goes over peoples heads at first. take baby ford's "headphone easy rider"... when it came out, i think theres only like 5 people in detroit that were into it. 2 years later, everyone wanted it and we couldnt get it. and to me, thats one of the best (if not THE best) proper techno LP ever! the same can be said for perlon and ifach records. up until superlongevity for perlon, and technoir for ifach, alot people just didnt "get" it. isolee's "rest" LP is another great example. hell, i didnt like jaguar untill about a year after it came out. now, i love it, but if i hear it one more time.. dont get me wrong, i fully share your argument that things in mainstream media get alot of attention based on a hype machine, but i just dont think matthews stuff fits in that argument. i, as well as MANY other people who do in fact think outside the box when it comes to music in general, think that matthews music is truly some next level sh*t. > as for why it happens to be a white guy who gets the props from > mainstream music mags for his great "techno" record while other > people who make great records who are black dont get the props, > thats something that might need to be examined. a quick glance at > my little sister's one recent rolling stone mag revealed reviews > of these artists: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD > soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions > of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? i guess when you look at it from that perspective, maybe it is a little odd. but once again, i have to ask why do you care? its rolling stone! derek.
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
> Thank God for Urb!!! our words you don't hear too often. ;) > > -- > >From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Tom Magic Feet'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'313 mailing list'" > <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: RE: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag > >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 2:25 AM > > > > > > > > > for a while and especially since the last issue (down to half a page of > > house and techno reviews) i've been thinking about whether i'll buy JS > > again bearing in mind i've been reading this for at least 7 years > > regularly. > > > > when i saw your mail tom, i thought that it was an announcemnet of it's > > demise as most people i speak to have been thinking the same as me. > > which can't bode well for it's survival. > > > > i think the on-line payed for content is brave but i suspect people > > aren't going to like that when there's so much free info online anyway. > > JS looks like it will go the way of Musik et al. > > > > all i can say is bring back Magic Feet (and i'm not just saying that > > either :) ) > > > > > > robin... > > > > -> -Original Message- > > -> From: > > -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -> org] On Behalf Of Tom Magic Feet > > -> Sent: 02 February 2004 15:08 > > -> To: 313 mailing list > > -> Subject: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag > > -> > > -> > > -> did you get this?In amongst this piece of prime PR > > -> jibber-jabber below is > > -> the news that Jockey Slut is to go quarterly instead of > > -> monthly and focus > > -> more on its website and selling stuff to 'youths' instead. > > -> The decline of > > -> the UK dance music press continues - discuss. > > -> > > -> (Apologies for all the equals and numbers in the text, > > -> that's how I got it.) > > -> > > -> TOM > > -> > > -> PS: Although I do write for the Slut I don't know any more > > -> than this, so > > -> anyone running labels etc please don't ask me for more info > > -> beacause no-one > > -> at the mag has told me anything at all, which is par for the course, > > -> actually. I got this from another source. > > -> > > -> > > -> > > -> JOCKEY SLUT PRESS RELEASE: > > -> 30th January 2004 > > -> > > -> > > -> Swinstead Publishing looks to the future > > -> Progressive brand development starts with Jockey Slut repositioning > > -> Swinstead Publishing is to make a bold and progressive move > > -> to bring its yo= > > -> uth culture magazine portfolio into the 21st Century, > > -> through challenging t= > > -> he =91outdated=92 conventions that most publishers still > > -> cling to. These ch= > > -> anges will bring SP closer to its readers, consolidate its > > -> position as a cu= > > -> tting-edge and innovative publisher and will allow broader > > -> opportunities fo= > > -> r its brands to extend beyond their current print media limitations. > > -> The first move will see Jockey Slut, the world=92s leading > > -> cutting-edge mus= > > -> ic title, invest in an expansion plan which laughs in the > > -> face of the curre= > > -> nt glut of music magazine failures. Revered worldwide, as > > -> the ultimate auth= > > -> ority on great alternative, underground and dance music, the > > -> brand will be = > > -> realigned to make greater use of the expertise behind the magazine. > > -> Over the last 11 years, Jockey Slut has made itself the holy > > -> grail of irrev= > > -> erent and passionate music journalism. It has been ground > > -> breaking with its= > > -> cover stars, legendary events and highly acclaimed > > -> covermount albums. Plan= > > -> s to capitalise on its unique reputation and insight include > > -> an emphasis on= > > -> the website, redeveloping it as a destination site, with > > -> information being= > > -> made available for free on a daily and weekly basis, rather > > -> than restricti= > > -> ng this information to the time-delayed date it hits the > > -> shelves each month= > > -> . > > -> SP sees this as a key tool in the Jockey Slut expansion into > > -> emerging inter= > > -> national markets alongside wider offline activities. > > -> The www.jockeyslut.com site will also begin to carry > > -> paid-for content, such= > > -> as music downloads and develop relevant product retail > > -> elements through mu= > > -> sic, fashion and other areas of youth culture. > > -> The future will see Jockey Slut expanding further via > > -> commercial album rele= > > -> ases, event programming and promotion, a record label, > > -> increased merchandis= > > -> e, broadcast opportunities and beyond, beginning in March > > -> with two major ev= > > -> ents in America as part of the annual Miami Winter Music > > -> Conference. This w= > > -> ill be followed by a promotional tie-up with MTV and > > -> Motorola at the MotoMa= > > -> sh event at Canvas, London, on 21st March. Jockey Slut is > > -> also teaming up w= > > -> ith a number of other partners to create a series of unique > > -> music events ac= > > -> ross the UK, Europe and the USA through 2004. > > -> =85.continued on
(313) 02.18.04 KEN ISHII @ NECTO in ANN ARBOR, MI
Hi everybody, I'd just like to let you know that japanese techno icon KEN ISHII will be playing a very special POPULAR Wednesday at Necto in Ann Arbor, MI on February 18th. It would be great to see some of you there. Here's the run down. 02.18.04 defiant behavior + the Necto present... KEN ISHII Ken Ishii is one of the most innovative and forward thinking artists that has emerged from Japan in the last decade. Hovering between techno based textures and subdued sonic bliss Ken Ishii is clearly aiming for musical enchantment of a different kind. Having assimilated a wide array of influences (Yellow Magic Orchestra, DAF, Kraftwerk, Nitzer Ebb, Derrick May) he manages to make them come alive in a context that surpasses all comparison, mutating the very concept of techno itself. cover is $5 (21+) | $10 (18-20) doors open at 10pm 18+ welcome $1 well drinks & $1 miller lite pints until midnight wednesday is... POPULAR electro. disco-punk. post-techno. new romantic. anything you can dance to. no format. no boundaries. no losers. by defiant behavior + the Necto. hosted by scott brandon. more info at... http://www.thenecto.com/wednesday upcoming popular line-up (there is no cover unless otherwise noted)... 02.04.04 - the usual w/guest Adam Virga 02.11.04 - special valentines week DJ couple, the usual + anna 02.18.04 - the usual w/guest Ken Ishii. cover is $5 (21+) | $10 (18-20) 02.25.04 - Becki the Bartender's tattoo fundraiser featuring the usual w/guest Ben Wu and the Jell-O Girl battle Royal 03.03.04 - Ghostly International's POPULAR Wednesday Ann Arbor Film Festival Benefit. More info coming soon! necto nightclub | 516 e. liberty | ann arbor, mi | 734.994.5436
RE: (313) radio playlist
not me... maybe you haven't downloaded their software ? what kind of problem do you have ? Gwendal -Original Message- From: Chris Anglesey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) radio playlist ...does anyone else have any problems accessing this website ?? Chris. > http://www.pirateradionetwork.com/ > > show: detroit from sydney > > Anthony Shake Shakir - Live @ Hultfreds Festival > blake baxter groovetech mix > Carl Craig Live @ Polar TV, Berlin (16.11.2002) > Carl Craig Live @ Pre Queensday - Zuidas - Amsterdam (29.4.2001) (4 hrs) > D wynn souls in motion 2002 > derrick carter - Live at Motor, Detroit, MI 11-25-2000 > DJ Genesis mix 2 > dwayne jensen(dangerous_underground_volume1)hq > [EMAIL PROTECTED](5.01)hq > IF - Live in Brooklyn, New York - 10 Jul 2001 > 313 rhythms 030303 (my mix) > scream 25.04.03 (my mix) > steve bug & ricardo villalobos - live @ tresor, loveparade (7.12.02) > titonton duvanté Live @ FM4 la boum deluxe > Kenny Larkin Detroit Detroit Technology 02.27.1999 > Kenny Larkin Detroit Detroit Technology 04.17.1999 > Magda @ The Shelter (Detroit) 15.03.03 > DJ_John_Acquaviva-Live_at_Haoman17_(102fm)-SAT-10-10--2003 > Blackalicious - Live PA in Seattle > Frankie Bones - Live @ Amnesia [23.08.90] > Theo Parrish - Live on Radio Nova - France - November 2003 > Michael Mayer @ Times Square, Detroit (27.09.03) > ricardo villalobos @ summership 2003 > Claude Young @ HW Nancy 26.12.03001 > Derrick_May-Live_At_Haoman_17_Jerusalem_25-12-2003 (3 hrs) > Dj Rolando - Live @ Stammheim Phoenix Festival [08.17.2003] > jeff mills - live @ extreme fiction gates - belgium - 22-12-1995 > > should keep you going for around 30 hrs > > peace > ed > > >
RE: (313) Matthew Dear / Spectral
i would reccomend these to check out stealing moves anger management (should be officially rteleased soon, if not already) dog days (original) some new depression (from ghostly's idol tryouts) krist (ceiling) (from ep2) laguna madre (from ep1) it's over now (from "leave luck to heaven" LP) derek. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > > > > >While on the subject of spectral sounds, dont overlook Isolee's > >rmx of Daylight on that label. fasten seatbelt before listening. > > > Very nice. But I prefer the original. Like the 'Hydraglim Exit' version too. > > While we're on this - anyone care to give their favourite Matthew > Dear/Ghostly/Spectral track? My main problem with Ghostly as with a lot of > music that we like (some of us! ;-), is that even within sub-divisions, > there's so much, it's hard to tease out the highlights. > > k >
Re: (313) radio playlist
...does anyone else have any problems accessing this website ?? Chris. > http://www.pirateradionetwork.com/ > > show: detroit from sydney > > Anthony Shake Shakir - Live @ Hultfreds Festival > blake baxter groovetech mix > Carl Craig Live @ Polar TV, Berlin (16.11.2002) > Carl Craig Live @ Pre Queensday - Zuidas - Amsterdam (29.4.2001) (4 hrs) > D wynn souls in motion 2002 > derrick carter - Live at Motor, Detroit, MI 11-25-2000 > DJ Genesis mix 2 > dwayne jensen(dangerous_underground_volume1)hq > [EMAIL PROTECTED](5.01)hq > IF - Live in Brooklyn, New York - 10 Jul 2001 > 313 rhythms 030303 (my mix) > scream 25.04.03 (my mix) > steve bug & ricardo villalobos - live @ tresor, loveparade (7.12.02) > titonton duvanté Live @ FM4 la boum deluxe > Kenny Larkin Detroit Detroit Technology 02.27.1999 > Kenny Larkin Detroit Detroit Technology 04.17.1999 > Magda @ The Shelter (Detroit) 15.03.03 > DJ_John_Acquaviva-Live_at_Haoman17_(102fm)-SAT-10-10--2003 > Blackalicious - Live PA in Seattle > Frankie Bones - Live @ Amnesia [23.08.90] > Theo Parrish - Live on Radio Nova - France - November 2003 > Michael Mayer @ Times Square, Detroit (27.09.03) > ricardo villalobos @ summership 2003 > Claude Young @ HW Nancy 26.12.03001 > Derrick_May-Live_At_Haoman_17_Jerusalem_25-12-2003 (3 hrs) > Dj Rolando - Live @ Stammheim Phoenix Festival [08.17.2003] > jeff mills - live @ extreme fiction gates - belgium - 22-12-1995 > > should keep you going for around 30 hrs > > peace > ed > > >
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
ahhh yess the completely reductive argument, there it is! detroit techno isnt even a genre its just techno in detroit... just like i make southern, country music cus i live out in the country and in the south...yeeehaww thats only one ingredient in the stew, if its an ingredient at all Detroit Music is what it is and not what it was. The fact of the matter is that it is techno music coming from Detroit therefore it is Detroit Techno... > well that says it about as good as i could. > > i wasnt making any statement about race, i was responding to greg earle's > email about what derrick might have meant by his comments about techno being > dead. i put my comments about the soul of detroit techno vs matt dears music > in the form of a question because obviously, depending on where you wanna > draw the line of what is the "it" in detroit techno, the > sound/personality/soul/whatever which definites it as a style/sound, matt > dear may or may not have much to do with it. and i might point out that if > you are "innovating" and using different sounds compared to "blank" style > (classic detroit techno), that would seem to indicate you are on the fringes > of the style and might not be easily defined as that style anymore. > personally i have not heard any of his music that i've liked, which is not > to say its bad, i just dont like what i've heard, and it doesnt have any of > the character which means detroit techno to me. sorry to offend m dear fans > who hear something different, and those whose idea of what is really > "detroit" differs from mine. > jt > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of > >his > > >music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same > >about joy > > >division, liquid liquid, francois k, or recloose, even. > > > >i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i > >like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's > >records almost at all. that first spectral 12" i think it was was > >alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not > >just me: we got one copy of his LP in at the record shop i work at > >and it hasnt sold. we sell lots of "soulful" dance music made by > >both white and black people (as well as asian and hispanic) but > >not a soul (pun intended) has found something interesting enough > >in his album to buy it. no one who buys the recloose or the > >titonton or the alton miller records that we stock has been > >motivated to buy it. i feel like theres a pretty good amount of > >undeserved hype behind this guy, and i think that alot of people > >can see through that. who cares how many stars rolling stone gave > >him? all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way > >groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it > >in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his > >records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known > >about him for a little while now. matt dear's record will probably > >sit there for months, if not forever. its too bad because i do > >like alot of what ghostly does (like 75% or so, the other 25% is > >kinda trying to hard maybe) but i feel like they picked the wrong > >artist to get all hyped up about. the midwest product and dabrye > >stuff is so much better on pretty much every level. > > > >as for why it happens to be a white guy who gets the props from > >mainstream music mags for his great "techno" record while other > >people who make great records who are black dont get the props, > >thats something that might need to be examined. a quick glance at > >my little sister's one recent rolling stone mag revealed reviews > >of these artists: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD > >soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions > >of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? > > > >tom > > > > > >andythepooh.com > > > > > > > > > > _ > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime > features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > > > This is my signature... _ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1
RE: (313)New Mix (electro/disco/freestyle) up at jbucknell.com
Another great mix - this has even got my colleagues listening! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:08 AM Cc: 313 List Subject: (313)New Mix (electro/disco/freestyle) up at jbucknell.com Here's the tracklisting, pretty much all early 80s. hope you enjoy electro/disco/freestyle [60min 63mb 160kbps mp3] Raze - Bounce, Rock, Skate, Roll (white) Hypnosis - End Title Blade Runner (ZYX Music) Warp 9 - Nunk (Prizm) World Premiere - Share the Night (Easy Street) John Carpenter - the end (ZYX Music) Pure Energy- Love Game (Prizm) Two Sisters - Destiny (Sugarscope) Sassa - When the Time is Right (Profile) Rockers Revenge - Rockin on Sunshine’ (Streetwise) Larrice - Dub Till U Drop (Streetwise) Newcleus - Let's Jam (Sunnyview) james www.jbucknell.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
-- Original Message -- From: "matt kane's brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote: >>crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD >>soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions >>of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? > >I'm afraid it's just nothing out of the ordinary. of course its not, and this is my point. i think matt dear gets publicity because he's a white guy from detroit making "techno", not because his music is better than other stuff coming out right now. i feel like the popularity of his album is mostly based on hype. seriously, if rolling stone had any idea what was going on, dont you think theyd review moodymann instead of crystal method? ditto with spin and whatever other mainstream white magazines decided that matt dear is now the torch carrier for detroit techno. wtf do they know? tom andythepooh.com
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
well that says it about as good as i could. i wasnt making any statement about race, i was responding to greg earle's email about what derrick might have meant by his comments about techno being dead. i put my comments about the soul of detroit techno vs matt dears music in the form of a question because obviously, depending on where you wanna draw the line of what is the "it" in detroit techno, the sound/personality/soul/whatever which definites it as a style/sound, matt dear may or may not have much to do with it. and i might point out that if you are "innovating" and using different sounds compared to "blank" style (classic detroit techno), that would seem to indicate you are on the fringes of the style and might not be easily defined as that style anymore. personally i have not heard any of his music that i've liked, which is not to say its bad, i just dont like what i've heard, and it doesnt have any of the character which means detroit techno to me. sorry to offend m dear fans who hear something different, and those whose idea of what is really "detroit" differs from mine. jt -- Original Message -- From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of his >music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same about joy >division, liquid liquid, francois k, or recloose, even. i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's records almost at all. that first spectral 12" i think it was was alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not just me: we got one copy of his LP in at the record shop i work at and it hasnt sold. we sell lots of "soulful" dance music made by both white and black people (as well as asian and hispanic) but not a soul (pun intended) has found something interesting enough in his album to buy it. no one who buys the recloose or the titonton or the alton miller records that we stock has been motivated to buy it. i feel like theres a pretty good amount of undeserved hype behind this guy, and i think that alot of people can see through that. who cares how many stars rolling stone gave him? all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known about him for a little while now. matt dear's record will probably sit there for months, if not forever. its too bad because i do like alot of what ghostly does (like 75% or so, the other 25% is kinda trying to hard maybe) but i feel like they picked the wrong artist to get all hyped up about. the midwest product and dabrye stuff is so much better on pretty much every level. as for why it happens to be a white guy who gets the props from mainstream music mags for his great "techno" record while other people who make great records who are black dont get the props, thats something that might need to be examined. a quick glance at my little sister's one recent rolling stone mag revealed reviews of these artists: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? tom andythepooh.com _ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1
(313) Second hand tunage on Ebay
A friend is selling a massive second hand collection of techno, house, ghetto, electronica up on Ebay now. Seller id is selectah4 Labels & Artists include: Teste - The Wipe (Sysex Remix) [Probe] Teste - The Wipe [Probe] Fortran 5 - Persian Blues [Mute] David Holmes & Rabio Paras remixes Lemon 8 - Model 8 [Energy Red Vinyl] Corridor - Element [Sabres of Paradise] Jack of Swords - Vegagod [Sabres of Paradise] Adonis - No Way Back [Trax] Advent Remix DJ Sneak - Polyester EP [Henry Street] Jack-Tronic - Windy City/Hustler [Peacefrog] Planetary Assault Systems remix DJ Skull - Met L Gear [Djax-Up Beats] Musical Science - Musical Science [Sabres of Paradise] The Source Experience - Point Zero [R&S] YO3 - Deep Sleep EP [GPR] Terrance McDonald -
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? I'm afraid it's just nothing out of the ordinary. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.dirty.org/~mkb Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Coming On Friday
On littledetroit - Interviews with Auxmen and Di'jital - backed up with mixes from both - Detroit in the house, if you don't like to party, then scoop... Martin Dust
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
-- Original Message -- From: "Derek Plaslaiko." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of his >music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same about joy >division, liquid liquid, francois k, or recloose, even. i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's records almost at all. that first spectral 12" i think it was was alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not just me: we got one copy of his LP in at the record shop i work at and it hasnt sold. we sell lots of "soulful" dance music made by both white and black people (as well as asian and hispanic) but not a soul (pun intended) has found something interesting enough in his album to buy it. no one who buys the recloose or the titonton or the alton miller records that we stock has been motivated to buy it. i feel like theres a pretty good amount of undeserved hype behind this guy, and i think that alot of people can see through that. who cares how many stars rolling stone gave him? all i know is that amp fiddler's music is not in any way groundbreaking but we cant keep a single 12" with his name on it in stock. people who are into hiphop and r+b have been buying his records as well as all the techno and house heads who have known about him for a little while now. matt dear's record will probably sit there for months, if not forever. its too bad because i do like alot of what ghostly does (like 75% or so, the other 25% is kinda trying to hard maybe) but i feel like they picked the wrong artist to get all hyped up about. the midwest product and dabrye stuff is so much better on pretty much every level. as for why it happens to be a white guy who gets the props from mainstream music mags for his great "techno" record while other people who make great records who are black dont get the props, thats something that might need to be examined. a quick glance at my little sister's one recent rolling stone mag revealed reviews of these artists: crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all stark white? tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
"he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe that's true" Derrick can actually make that claim, but then it's his own fault for no one WANTING to approach him. He has a long-standing reputation for being an a_shole and it's well deserved. A buddy of mine approached him after he did a set at Solar in Ann Arbor. The guy just wanted to kick it with him for a moment. Derrick insulted him and basically told him take a hike. Rob came back to me shaking his head saying "what an a_shole!!! That guy is a total d_ck!". If someone you knew tried to have a small conversation with Derrick, only to get results like that, would YOU be quick to try to talk to him? Nah, didn't think so. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
In a message dated 2/3/2004 2:04:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: URB's trying hard to be Vibe with a dance music edge. > Hasn't it gone all indie rock anyway? > Thank God for Urb!!!
RE: (313) Matthew Dear / Spectral
> >While on the subject of spectral sounds, dont overlook Isolee's >rmx of Daylight on that label. fasten seatbelt before listening. > Very nice. But I prefer the original. Like the 'Hydraglim Exit' version too. While we're on this - anyone care to give their favourite Matthew Dear/Ghostly/Spectral track? My main problem with Ghostly as with a lot of music that we like (some of us! ;-), is that even within sub-divisions, there's so much, it's hard to tease out the highlights. k
AW: (313) Matthew Dear / Spectral
The Isolee remix is my favourite. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 16:51 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) Matthew Dear / Spectral Totally disagree with JT on this. Dear's Leave Luck to Heaven LP (Spectral) is fantastic stuff. Upon listening to it, I find it to sound very orchestrated. It seems like every little sound on that record is carefully thought out. The voices in those tracks are amazing too, they work really well with his very abstract beats. much love to that album. I will stand up for it. My needle hits the paper everytime this wax is at bat. While on the subject of spectral sounds, dont overlook Isolee's rmx of Daylight on that label. fasten seatbelt before listening. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote: not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just happens to be from detroit.. __ Vorras Messaging Software - http://www.vorras.com/
(313) Matthew Dear / Spectral
Totally disagree with JT on this. Dear's Leave Luck to Heaven LP (Spectral) is fantastic stuff. Upon listening to it, I find it to sound very orchestrated. It seems like every little sound on that record is carefully thought out. The voices in those tracks are amazing too, they work really well with his very abstract beats. much love to that album. I will stand up for it. My needle hits the paper everytime this wax is at bat. While on the subject of spectral sounds, dont overlook Isolee's rmx of Daylight on that label. fasten seatbelt before listening. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote: not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just happens to be from detroit.. __ Vorras Messaging Software - http://www.vorras.com/
(313) Revivalism (was RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote)
> -Original Message-
> From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 February 2004 15:09
>
> i think there is a lot of looking back to previous musical movements
> happening at the moment... it does make me wonder where things can
> go in the future
>
> which is the whole point, right?
Definitely. Since around 1998 I've had this worrying vision of the
future of techno music as being merely another retro/revival scene,
where we all get minibuses down to a venue and dance around to
tracks that are all over fifteen years old, with *nothing* new
played at all. I'd hate that!
The fact of the matter, though, is that as time goes by the amount
of recorded music available to any particular listener just grows
and grows. Imagine it was the 1960s, when a lot of styles of music
were simply uninvented, and there was a relatively small amount
of recorded music one was able to get hold of. Fast forward to now,
and we're crawling around on this immense pile of recorded music
dating back more than half a century. For the average listener, a
new record is going to have to be pretty special to distract them
from the plethora of older material they could listen to instead.
Revivalism in music will never go away; it'll only increase, I
think, as time goes by. Around ten years ago revivalism was really
the sole preserve of more "cheesy" fields of music ("disco" revival
nights like Starsky & Hutch here in London, for example). These days,
however, it's pretty much everywhere - even in "our" scene. The
challenge is to make sure it doesn't become ubiquitous, and that we
never end up in a situation where we reject every new record out of
hand. The original thread title mentioned the "death of techno" -
*that* would be the death of techno, it becoming completely overtaken
by revivalism.
Brendan
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > >are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music > >has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those > > You know what? > > I *like* the idea of getting the Annual 313 Divisive Flame War About Race > out the way *early* in the year, so now's a good time! ;-) > > k > well... WE... THEY STARTED IT :) derek.
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
-> spot on about the rave culture biznizz. -> -> today has got me thinking how different the US and UK culture is. -> the gulf is enormous. ...but superficially very similar...which is the problem i guess. i think there is a lot of looking back to previous musical movements happening at the moment (acid house revivals, old 313 revivals, electro-disco, punk-funk) and i'm not saying i'm not as guilty as the next person for doing this but it does make me wonder where things can go in the future which is the whole point, right? robin...
Re: AW: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Katrin Richter wrote: > I think the oringinal people from Detroit put a different kind of soul into > their music, it's not about "some new depression" and not about crying. It's > about enjoying life and the celebration of that joy. of course, i realize its not just about someone getting in front of music and conveying a message that makes you want to bawl your eyes out. i was saying thats just an example of one way soul can be interpreted. im merely stating that just because matthew is in his 20's and is white, doesnt mean that hes not making detroit techno by default. im saying that detroit techno has alot more to do with a certain way of thinking, not producing. im saying that someone can be white, living in montana (or mannheim), and can still be making detroit techno, even if it doesnt sound like traditional detroit techno. im saying the sound of detroit HAS evolved and its a shame that most of its followers havent. or at least, they havent noticed becuase theyre too busy looking for the warm chords. > > It's just a different soul they put into their music, neither of the souls > is worth more or less completely agreed. > > I can feel that pure enjoyment and hope is a feeling in Techno that has > passed a long time ago. Nothing has changed, Detroit is still depressing, > America is depressing for many a black man, and I can feel that a lot of > hearts sunk over the developments in the last year. let me tell ya, detroit is depressing for white people too. derek.
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Matthew Dear writes great music, not at all like average DJ tool stuff either. If you have a dislike for some aspect of his music, go ahead and say so, but let's not use this "soul" copout. He is popular because lot's of people like his music, and I think it has PLENTY of connection to the classic Detroit techno (along with other things)... Matthew Dear just happens to absorb the 313 influence into the whole, rather than copying the classic sound verbatim. In my opinion Matthew Dear is a person helping keep Detroit area on the map. Ghostly International and Spectral rock in general, also! I rock them out every time I spin now pretty much. ~David -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just happens to be from detroit..and i mean look at what ends up under the "techno" listing on new release lists etc...first, there's not much, 2nd what there is is 80--90% lifeless dj tool crap... >I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment. > > > >-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09 >An: 313@hyperreal.org >Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > >I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said > > > "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able > > to do > > it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next > > generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our > > footsteps." > >he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation >of >young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our >footsteps." > >I've had discussions on several disparate occasions with Black Detroit >artists (Rob Hood, Kenny Larkin, Bone, etc.) and they all bemoaned to me >the fact that there seemed to be no young Black cats coming up through >the ranks - that all the young brothers were just interested in Hip-Hop >now, >and didn't care about Techno. They all understood why things were the >way they were, but it made them sad nevertheless. > >Obviously I don't live in Detroit so I don't know all the current >players >on the scene, but off the top of my head I couldn't think of anyone >younger than, say, Sean Deason (chime in Sean!) or Kenny Dixon Jr. (or >our own Jwan, if we stretch Detroit over to Pittsburgh :-) ). > >(One thing that triggered my thinking of this line of reasoning was >listening > to Kenny's old Dark Comedy track "Without A Sound (Silent Mix)" from >"Corbomite > Maneuver". [EMAIL PROTECTED] what a sublime track. It's going on my > Wedding >music list.) > > - Greg > _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
>are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music >has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those You know what? I *like* the idea of getting the Annual 313 Divisive Flame War About Race out the way *early* in the year, so now's a good time! ;-) k
AW: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I think the oringinal people from Detroit put a different kind of soul into their music, it's not about "some new depression" and not about crying. It's about enjoying life and the celebration of that joy. It's just a different soul they put into their music, neither of the souls is worth more or less I can feel that pure enjoyment and hope is a feeling in Techno that has passed a long time ago. Nothing has changed, Detroit is still depressing, America is depressing for many a black man, and I can feel that a lot of hearts sunk over the developments in the last year. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 15:40 An: J. T. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote: > not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew > dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection > to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just > happens to be from detroit.. does it have any SOUL, you ask??? have you listened to his music, or just tracked through it because it was a detroit artist, and since it didnt sound like "no UFOs" or "strings of life" or "jaguar" you decided it was not worthy of being catagorized as a detroit record? god, do i get tired of this generalization. why, OH WHY does everything have to sound like a modern day submerge record to be labeled "detroit techno" anymore? dont people realize that most of the records that defined (notice the past tense, that most cant seem to let go of) detroit techno, were produced 12-21 years ago, and there shouldve been TONS of evolution in that time period? perfect example: shake. shakes been around from the get go, but has continuously evolved. shakes records sound like shake records. not because of similar sounds used, but because he has a specific style.. a certain brand of soul. are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those 2 factors are secondary factors. shakes music has soul, because shake has soul. the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of his music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same about joy division, liquid liquid, francois k, or recloose, even. everything matthew has produced has come straight from his soul. alot of it is downright moving too. listen to "some new depression" from the ghostly 'Idol Tryouts' comp. first time i heard that track in its entirety, it nearly brought me to tears... the same way derrick mays "icon" does to me. i hope that one day people will understand these points better. derek.
(313) Need to contact Shawn Rudiman
I need to talk to Shawn, like TODAY, and he doesn't check his e-mail daily. Can someone hook me up? Jwan? Thanks!
Re: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
stewart>Anyway, excuse my long winded and meandering rant hey! top rant! (I like rants) spot on about the rave culture biznizz. today has got me thinking how different the US and UK culture is. the gulf is enormous. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote: > not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew > dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection > to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just > happens to be from detroit.. does it have any SOUL, you ask??? have you listened to his music, or just tracked through it because it was a detroit artist, and since it didnt sound like "no UFOs" or "strings of life" or "jaguar" you decided it was not worthy of being catagorized as a detroit record? god, do i get tired of this generalization. why, OH WHY does everything have to sound like a modern day submerge record to be labeled "detroit techno" anymore? dont people realize that most of the records that defined (notice the past tense, that most cant seem to let go of) detroit techno, were produced 12-21 years ago, and there shouldve been TONS of evolution in that time period? perfect example: shake. shakes been around from the get go, but has continuously evolved. shakes records sound like shake records. not because of similar sounds used, but because he has a specific style.. a certain brand of soul. are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those 2 factors are secondary factors. shakes music has soul, because shake has soul. the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of his music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same about joy division, liquid liquid, francois k, or recloose, even. everything matthew has produced has come straight from his soul. alot of it is downright moving too. listen to "some new depression" from the ghostly 'Idol Tryouts' comp. first time i heard that track in its entirety, it nearly brought me to tears... the same way derrick mays "icon" does to me. i hope that one day people will understand these points better. derek.
Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century"
well, fortunately there are enough tunes *and* men around - LOL - so such petty crap is silly. I tend to avoid women like that because I don't like that vibe. I'll have to agree the B***h on B***h crap is far worse than being the lone lady in a crowd of music dudes. lucikly, not all women are like this! ;) lisa - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2004 2:11 am Subject: Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century" > The problem is that "intrinsically knowledgable chicks" are > occasionally > conniving each other's downfall. It's nice - and powerful - to be > the only > woman in a male dominated arena and so when Ms Thing sees another > girl, she > is gon' stop at nothing to mark out her territory, humilate you in > front of > male colleagues, and just be as un-co-operative as she can. > I'd prefer the odd light sexist comment (which is rare) from a > male to > another woman's brutal machinations. I call it B***h on B***h > crime what women do to each other. > > > -- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are > the Biggest > War Criminals of the 21st Century" > >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 2:41 AM > > > > > "forced" ? LOL! I don't think this phenomenon is unique to > music ;) > > > > "intrinsically knowledgable chicks" need more care and feeding than > > armpieces (this is bound to happen if one has a brain *and* uses > it) so if > > a guy isn't interested in that part of a woman, an armpiece will > do just > > fine. that's how it's been explained to me, anyways. > > > > I saw lots of ladies at Movement '03 and they weren't all > ornament looking > > - mostly 'real' looking and having lots of fun with the music - > with or > > without the guys! > > > > lisa > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Brendan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Monday, February 2, 2004 9:47 am > > Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are > the Biggest > > War Criminals of the 21st Century" > > > >> Ah, but I'd say there's an extent to which a lot of these males > >> are kind of forced into a situation like that - you could spend > >> *years* looking around for someone whose mindset and interests are > >> very compatible with your own, but because most people fall more > >> into the "ornament" category, that's who you're most likely to end > >> up with. > >> > >> Given the choice, I think most techno-geek sort of blokes would go > >> for an "intrinsically knowledgable 'chick'" over an "ornament" any > >> day! > >> Brendan > >> > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 02 February 2004 14:43 > >> > To: Cyclone Wehner; 313@hyperreal.org > >> > Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are the > >> > Biggest War Criminals of the 21st Century" > >> > > >> > > >> > Sometimes I am shocked that some really intelligent males who > >> > love to share > >> > their music with others choose these girls that are not into > >> > the music at > >> > all (but are really good looking)... some people just aren't > >> > into soul mates > >> > methinks But then, music isn't everything. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > >> > Von: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Gesendet: Montag, 2. Februar 2004 15:13 > >> > An: 313 Detroit > >> > Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration Are > >> > the Biggest > >> > War Criminals of the 21st Century" > >> > > >> > > >> > Hey, that's me, but I'm dieting. ;) > >> > But 80 percent of the male trainspotters *I know* go out with > >> > ornaments, not > >> > "intrinsically knowledgeable 'chicks", usually 21 years old, > >> > then they get > >> > frustrated that they don't have someone who gets their music. ;) > >> > It takes hours and money and effort to be the perfect female > >> specimen,> doesn't leave much time for music. ; > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >> > >Subject: RE: (313) Derrick May - "The Bush Administration > >> > Are the Biggest > >> > War > >> > Criminals of the 21st Century" > >> > >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 1:26 AM > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > D.May Quote from Robert>"I always prefer to play to a chick > who's>> > > intrinsically knowledgeable about life, than a >shirtless, > >> > sweaty guy > >> > who'd > >> > > dance to anything that has a beat." > >> > > > >> > > Q. Who pays D.May's wages? > >> > > > >> > > is it > >> > > > >> > > a) intrinsically knowledgeable 'chick'? > >> > > or > >> > > b) sweaty guy who dances to anything with a beat? > >> > > > >> > > ha, I'd rather deliver the post to "intrinsically > >> > knowledgeable 'chick's" > >> > > too, but theres only fat sweaty accountants here. oh well. > >> > > > >> > > p.s. any "intrinsi
Re: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I think the baton has been passed somewhat from Detroit. If you look at what most of the old school producers are doing these days, other than some of the Submerge guys I dont see many producers from Detroit really carrying on the sound with any real energy. In fact the City seems more known for its house output these days than anything else. The issue of Black producers aside, I personally hear plenty of music thats every bit as good as the old Detroit classics, but it alsways seems to get labelled as 'retro' in an almost negative sense, which always puzzles me. Personally I think the original sound and ideas had and have a hell of a lot more room for exploration and, if anything, the ideas that Derrick et al started exploring years ago were cut woefully short when people like Carl Craig and many others started moving away from the sound a bit. I cant remember the last time I actually heard people like Derrick or Juan really championing the sound. Even at the DEMF a few years back I felt Juan, aside from a few early electro classics, played a pretty humdrum set of mostly European stuff when he had the perfect stage to really celebrate the City's musical legacy. I dunno, but when I listen to some of the stuff on labels like Delsin and others that are run by the people Derrick and everyone inspired to begin with I personally think thats where its at these days. Even with my own label Im basically trying to put out the kind of stuff that I wanted to listen to when Transmat was in its prime, I dont think its retro just because it harks back to a golden age, I just feel that the Golden age never had to end and the only reason it did was because for some reason most of the main guys involved seemed to decide that there was nothing more to say and moved on. Personally I was and still am ready to listen. I think the whole rave scene, at least in the UK, which was a pretty big market for Detroit's techno in the late 80s early 90s, didnt help. It was almost like the techno equivelent of the dot com crash, suddenly there were record shops everywhere and techno records being knocked out every 5 seconds and there were thousands of music hungry ravers willing to spend almost every penny they had (after they had sorted thier E's for the week of course ;) on vinyl and there was just no way that the scene could sustain itself at that level. No matter who you were the chances are youd have been exposed to good techno and good electronic music generally at some stage, because it was everywhere. There was no such things as Alcopops or trendy towny high street bars, drinking was a different culture entirley. Now though, 99% of all kids who might have discovered something musically special and personal and dear to them 10 or 15 years ago have nothing but commercial pop crap thrown at them from all angles, because its offered to them so easily that there is really very little point lookign further. From 16 years upward, any kid can easily slot nicely into place in a drinking culture revolving around commercialism and accesability. We got in to techno because that option wasnt there then, there was nothing else to do as a kid so you had to look harder and in doing so we discovered a wealth of amazing music and interesting people and lifestyles. Why do you think the rave boom exploded so much, because there were bascially millions of kids out there who were bored and excluded and desperate for something to call thier own. Now they dont have to be excluded, they dont have to be bored, they can walk into any Walkabout bar at 16, get pissed on Aftershock or Vodka and Red Bull, dance around to Chart Music and hey presto, an instant lifestyle, no need to look any further afield. If Im honest I couldnt say for sure if I had had these lifestyle options open to me when I was a kid, that I wouldnt have fallen into the same groove and missed out on all the great music Ive enjoyed for years. Who knows. Anyway, excuse my long winded and meandering rant, think I better shut up now before I get even further off the point. Stewart - Original Message - From: "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew > dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection > to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just > happens to be from detroit..and i mean look at what ends up under the > "techno" listing on new release lists etc...first, there's not much, 2nd > what there is is 80--90% lifeless dj tool crap... > > > >I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment. > > > > > > > >-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > >Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09 > >An: 313@hyperreal.org > >Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the D
RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just happens to be from detroit..and i mean look at what ends up under the "techno" listing on new release lists etc...first, there's not much, 2nd what there is is 80--90% lifeless dj tool crap... I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said > "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able > to do > it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next > generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our > footsteps." he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation of young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our footsteps." I've had discussions on several disparate occasions with Black Detroit artists (Rob Hood, Kenny Larkin, Bone, etc.) and they all bemoaned to me the fact that there seemed to be no young Black cats coming up through the ranks - that all the young brothers were just interested in Hip-Hop now, and didn't care about Techno. They all understood why things were the way they were, but it made them sad nevertheless. Obviously I don't live in Detroit so I don't know all the current players on the scene, but off the top of my head I couldn't think of anyone younger than, say, Sean Deason (chime in Sean!) or Kenny Dixon Jr. (or our own Jwan, if we stretch Detroit over to Pittsburgh :-) ). (One thing that triggered my thinking of this line of reasoning was listening to Kenny's old Dark Comedy track "Without A Sound (Silent Mix)" from "Corbomite Maneuver". [EMAIL PROTECTED] what a sublime track. It's going on my Wedding music list.) - Greg _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1
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I'd disagree with this, just because he isn't aware don't make it so... Take a look here: http://www.detroitluv.com You'll see names old and new - mixes and events...We've had some major support from the D and loads of contact with new people - black and white... Martin 3/2/04 1:33 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@uk.pwc.com > > Greg>he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation > >> of young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our > footsteps." > > ahh, whoops. > oh well. > guess he's right I suppose. > I did read it to be "there's no young musicians coming through" so my > reaction was disgust at that statement. > > alex > *wrong again* > > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Greg>he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation >of young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our footsteps." ahh, whoops. oh well. guess he's right I suppose. I did read it to be "there's no young musicians coming through" so my reaction was disgust at that statement. alex *wrong again* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said > "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able > to do > it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next > generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our > footsteps." he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation of young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our footsteps." I've had discussions on several disparate occasions with Black Detroit artists (Rob Hood, Kenny Larkin, Bone, etc.) and they all bemoaned to me the fact that there seemed to be no young Black cats coming up through the ranks - that all the young brothers were just interested in Hip-Hop now, and didn't care about Techno. They all understood why things were the way they were, but it made them sad nevertheless. Obviously I don't live in Detroit so I don't know all the current players on the scene, but off the top of my head I couldn't think of anyone younger than, say, Sean Deason (chime in Sean!) or Kenny Dixon Jr. (or our own Jwan, if we stretch Detroit over to Pittsburgh :-) ). (One thing that triggered my thinking of this line of reasoning was listening to Kenny's old Dark Comedy track "Without A Sound (Silent Mix)" from "Corbomite Maneuver". [EMAIL PROTECTED] what a sublime track. It's going on my Wedding music list.) - Greg
Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I'm going to risk a major firestorm by venturing that when Derrick said "... because I think this may be the last chance that we may be able to do it through Techno music. I don't know if there's going to be a next generation of young musicians coming through to follow up in our footsteps." he really meant "I don't know if there's going to be a next generation of young BLACK Detroit musicians coming through to follow up in our footsteps." I've had discussions on several disparate occasions with Black Detroit artists (Rob Hood, Kenny Larkin, Bone, etc.) and they all bemoaned to me the fact that there seemed to be no young Black cats coming up through the ranks - that all the young brothers were just interested in Hip-Hop now, and didn't care about Techno. They all understood why things were the way they were, but it made them sad nevertheless. Obviously I don't live in Detroit so I don't know all the current players on the scene, but off the top of my head I couldn't think of anyone younger than, say, Sean Deason (chime in Sean!) or Kenny Dixon Jr. (or our own Jwan, if we stretch Detroit over to Pittsburgh :-) ). (One thing that triggered my thinking of this line of reasoning was listening to Kenny's old Dark Comedy track "Without A Sound (Silent Mix)" from "Corbomite Maneuver". [EMAIL PROTECTED] what a sublime track. It's going on my Wedding music list.) - Greg
Re: AW: (313) primate/primevil/et. al
3/2/04 11:37 AM Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] > When I went to Sonar this Summer, the Integrale guys were still as hyper and > -ed up as one would expect from some wanker grand players from the UK. > Word Wash your mouth out lady, in one breath to nail Alex for hitting on May and in the next mail you reduce that people that brought us the mighty Surgeon to second rate masturbators Tskkk - take care of your own business before you start managing anyone else. Martin Dust
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Yeah, it's especially strange to see this when you know that they haven't paid their artists who are still waiting for their acetates... Stuff like this breaks a small label owner's neck. Oh well, business innit. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 12:52 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: (313) primate/primevil/et. al >I think it's got something to do with a problematic ego which makes you buy >a grand Lotus car when your company goes down the drain... teehee, now I see where you got the grand player bit! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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>I think it's got something to do with a problematic ego which makes you buy >a grand Lotus car when your company goes down the drain... teehee, now I see where you got the grand player bit! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Love your work Katrin :) -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 7:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: AW: AW: (313) primate/primevil/et. al Yo, you might be right... but then, who am I to judge. Sorry for the wanker bit On a personal level, the guy I met from Integrale was quite alright, a bit freaky. He used to go out with that girl I know rather well and it was interesting to see them interact cos she's nice. I think it's got something to do with a problematic ego which makes you buy a grand Lotus car when your company goes down the drain... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 12:42 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: AW: (313) primate/primevil/et. al >When I went to Sonar this Summer, the Integrale guys were still as >hyper and >-ed up as one would expect from some wanker grand players from the UK. easy tiger!! see, that's kind of what I view the rest of the world thinks of alot of Uk peeps - "wanker grand players", maybe thats why peeps dont want to buy uk dance mags too? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Yo, you might be right... but then, who am I to judge. Sorry for the wanker bit On a personal level, the guy I met from Integrale was quite alright, a bit freaky. He used to go out with that girl I know rather well and it was interesting to see them interact cos she's nice. I think it's got something to do with a problematic ego which makes you buy a grand Lotus car when your company goes down the drain... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 12:42 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: AW: (313) primate/primevil/et. al >When I went to Sonar this Summer, the Integrale guys were still as hyper and >-ed up as one would expect from some wanker grand players from the UK. easy tiger!! see, that's kind of what I view the rest of the world thinks of alot of Uk peeps - "wanker grand players", maybe thats why peeps dont want to buy uk dance mags too? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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>When I went to Sonar this Summer, the Integrale guys were still as hyper and >-ed up as one would expect from some wanker grand players from the UK. easy tiger!! see, that's kind of what I view the rest of the world thinks of alot of Uk peeps - "wanker grand players", maybe thats why peeps dont want to buy uk dance mags too? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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When I went to Sonar this Summer, the Integrale guys were still as hyper and -ed up as one would expect from some wanker grand players from the UK. No-one ever mentioned it but they went down shortly after that. I guess as an artist, you're trying to keep it quiet as long as possible not to scare potential clients off as Karl probably still waits for his money or vinyl - like many others... I know that all the Pure Platic guys were really affected. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tom Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:44 An: 313 mailing list Betreff: Re: (313) primate/primevil/et. al Really? Are you sure? I saw Karl/Regis in the summer and he told me he was withdrawing from the company, but I don't remember him saying anything about it going out of business? I am SO out of touch... Hmm, I know someone I can ask. TMF > Integrale went bust before Primate... > > No, the statement I sent out is from an ex-Prime man, I guess what he says > is the truth - they moved to Chris Liebing. Maybe all the Integrale Labels > moved to Just Music. > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Tom Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 10:43 > An: 313 mailing list > Betreff: Re: (313) primate/primevil/et. al > > Actually, I hear the labels have moved to Steve Glencross's Just Music for > distribution? Or was it Integrale Musique? Not sure, but either way I think > they live on. > > > Prime Distribution definitely went bust last year, and as Prime and > Primevil > > were their in-house labels I assume they've also bitten the dust... > > > > >
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
>What do you think weighs most on the decline of the paper dance magz? hmm, well to be sure I dont know! I reckon a combination of all those points though... It's funny though. Say, in the example of jockey slut. They changed their magazine to suit a more main-stream view right? Well, now, the main-stream lost interest right? as 'it' (the mainstream) was always more interested in the lifestyle aspect of it 'clubbing' etc. so now, having alienated the people who bought that magazine originally (who I suspect are still around and still very interested in music) - they have no audience left as the 'faddy' people who they wanted to appeal to (the more mainstream) moved on to doing something else. just another thing to add to the list? remember, they sold that title. this was 'selling out', theres no way round that. and, in no way am I condemning that - I would have done exactly the same thing. when it was sold, it became somthing different. Maybe if it hadn't have been sold it would still be thriving. But of course, from their point of view, they now get to do a record label, some exciting things on the net, large events etc - so maybe they did take the right direction, and also now they have a big company willing to invest in their ideas, where as if they had to do it themselves, they wouldnt have been able to afford it. so I reckon theres two clear sides to the argument. I also reckon its the first time I've actually noticed how the internet has changed the media. dont reckon its too bad really. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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> Tom - would be pretty interested to hear your views (although I'm sure you're pretty busy... Mmm, well right now I still don't know very much and to be honest it would be rather inappropriate/politically unwise of me to go spouting on about this in public before I do. I think you make some good points, though, Alex! TMF
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Really? Are you sure? I saw Karl/Regis in the summer and he told me he was withdrawing from the company, but I don't remember him saying anything about it going out of business? I am SO out of touch... Hmm, I know someone I can ask. TMF > Integrale went bust before Primate... > > No, the statement I sent out is from an ex-Prime man, I guess what he says > is the truth - they moved to Chris Liebing. Maybe all the Integrale Labels > moved to Just Music. > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Tom Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 10:43 > An: 313 mailing list > Betreff: Re: (313) primate/primevil/et. al > > Actually, I hear the labels have moved to Steve Glencross's Just Music for > distribution? Or was it Integrale Musique? Not sure, but either way I think > they live on. > > > Prime Distribution definitely went bust last year, and as Prime and > Primevil > > were their in-house labels I assume they've also bitten the dust... > > > > >
AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Mmmmh, don't know what this has got to do with it. Discuss. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:28 An: Katrin Richter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Only if you have a vagina! ;-) -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He replies to every email you send him. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Yussel wrote> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums.. >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >generation!? >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said though, he might just not be feeling it at all. It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always will. so, anyway, back to the point I'm gonna send him a cd. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Only if you have a vagina! ;-) -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He replies to every email you send him. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Yussel wrote> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums.. >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >generation!? >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said though, he might just not be feeling it at all. It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always will. so, anyway, back to the point I'm gonna send him a cd. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I remember Derrick May had a "my radio station" page on mp3.com featuring tracks by amateur producers on that site - he obviously spent a bit of time listening to the tracks that people uploaded there, and had one or two from former listmember Scott Vallance as well (who was of course pretty flattered!). So I think it's unfair to say he's "out of touch" with new music in this field, and I'm also not convinced that he really sees the "death of techno" as being imminent. What that quote was about, it seemed to me, was the ability of techno music to attract attention to the city of Detroit, not techno music as a whole. Brendan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 February 2004 10:15 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno > > > > Yussel wrote> > >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention > to the newer > >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches > him- and maybe > >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, > simply because > >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. > >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and > records and albums. > >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. > >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and > Entertainment Weekly, the > >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says > there's no new > >generation!? > >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's > honestly just > >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. > >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of > new releases. > >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? > > This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I > always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I > too can't work > out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p > rent-a-quote > comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. > Like you said > though, he might just not be feeling it at all. > > It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I > know for a fact > that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. > honestly. some > of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders > above what > came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. > > here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will > be out in > 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately > - head and > shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't > looking properly. > > I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across > as a right > twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview > too. a shame, as > he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and > someone I always > will. > > so, anyway, back to the point > > I'm gonna send him a cd. > > alex > > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
RE: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
well said Katrina! come on lets stop assuming please... -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 03/02/2004 10:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He replies to every email you send him. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Yussel wrote> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums. >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >generation!? >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said though, he might just not be feeling it at all. It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always will. so, anyway, back to the point I'm gonna send him a cd. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He replies to every email you send him. Peace Kat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 11:15 An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno Yussel wrote> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums. >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >generation!? >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said though, he might just not be feeling it at all. It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always will. so, anyway, back to the point I'm gonna send him a cd. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Yussel wrote> >i've often assumed that derrick doesn't pay much attention to the newer >generation (he'll claim that no one young ever approaches him- and maybe >that's true), but its ridiculous to proclaim techno dead, simply because >his particular style (and fame?) is dwindling. >This has been a watershed year for techno artists and records and albums. >i won't even start naming names, but we all know its there. >Matthew Dear gets coverage in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the >kid lives an 8 minute drive from Bellvue and Derrick says there's no new >generation!? >Maybe he honestly doesn't feel the new stuff. Or maybe he's honestly just >not aware of it. Or maybe he's being cranky. >I seriously think I need to send Derrick a care package of new releases. >Shall we compile a 313-list new techno artists CD for him? This is a great post. and maybe someone should send him some stuff. I always wonder if derrick does check all the new records. I too can't work out whether he's feeling the new stuff or not. From the c**p rent-a-quote comments he comes out with, I really can't believe he does. Like you said though, he might just not be feeling it at all. It has been a great year for techno, but I tell you what, I know for a fact that 2004 will see better music coming from techno people. honestly. some of the stuff I'm hearing on cd-r's is just head and shoulders above what came out last year, really really strong quality stuff. here's a weird one though. Alot of stuff I've heard that will be out in 2004, blows away anything derrick put out on transmat lately - head and shoulders above it. so maybe that makes me think he isn't looking properly. I wish he wasn't so f**king arrogant though, he comes across as a right twat. I kind of thought that after john osselars interview too. a shame, as he's someone I've always held up as a bit of a hero, and someone I always will. so, anyway, back to the point I'm gonna send him a cd. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Fw: Jockey Slut mag
>The decline of >the UK dance music press continues - discuss. good topic! (but I'm sure the rest of the world doesnt care!) Well, for a start, the way JS worded this press release makes it sound like this is hardly the decline of the magazine, infact, quite the opposite! Seems they're heading for world domination or something! far cry from Johnno and Paul's little office in Ducie House! those boys went a long way in a short time. Tom - would be pretty interested to hear your views (although I'm sure you're pretty busy). It looks like there will still be alot of content to the magazine, and they're expanding further - which I guess they've been doing for ages anyway in a smaller sense. I mean, as soon as they sold the title, it was always going to lose a sense of where it started out, and I felt it 'declined' a little from there. (only in my mind though, and I'm a minority - they just made it appeal to more people). It's a shame but I haven't read it for some time anyway really, as well as all the other music press - but I guess they lost people like us ages ago, and doesn't the rest of the world detest the uk music press anyway? I think the uk music press only really has itself to blame. (and I dont mean the small freelancers pushing the stuff they like) There always seemed to be such arrogance (or that is how it came across to me). e.g. "What you should listen to this month", you SHOULD do this. They always seemed to assume music lovers wanted the next thing pushing on them. why not just provide information? reviews, interviews etc, instead of tabloid style journalism. I stopped reading music magazines because they actually wound me up. really. I really used to get actually wound up, and not many other things wind me up. anyway... don't even know what my point was, just trying to coax mr magic feet into posting his view... alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
