[AI] Scribe guidelines for IGNOU Examination
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines for Swayam Examination 2019- reg
What is this exam please eloborate On Mon, 13 May 2019, 7:06 p.m. Marisport A > Dear friend, > I have recently attended ARPT exam through SWAYAM. > > I have not received any scribe guidelines . > > However, NTA which is the nodal agency which conducts the exam has > provided me the scribe and compensatory time. > > to avail scribe, at the time of filling your application you should > mentioned that you required scribe. > > I have attended the ARPT exam on 30/3/2019. > > If You may contact SWAYAM helpline number for any assistance too. > > Regards, > Marisport.A > > > Regards, > Marisport.A > > On 5/13/19, upender kushwaha wrote: > > On 5/13/19, Uma VR wrote: > >> Friends, > >> > >> Does anyone has applied for Swayam examination 2019? > >> Have you received scribe guidelines for the same? > >> > >> -- > >> Believe in WORK not in LUCK! & Most of all, trust in God but don't be > >> dependent on Him. > >> > >> > >> Search for old postings at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > >> > >> To unsubscribe send a message to > >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > >> with the subject unsubscribe. > >> > >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > >> please > >> visit the list home page at > >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > >> > >> > >> Disclaimer: > >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > >> the > >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > >> > >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > >> mails > >> sent through this mailing list.. > >> > >> > > > > hello good after noon sir, please send me. scribe guidelines ok thanks > > > > > > Search for old postings at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > > visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > > Disclaimer: > > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > > sent through this mailing list.. > > > > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. > Celebrating Global accessibility Awareness day- May 16 2019 Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines for Swayam Examination 2019- reg
Dear friend, I have recently attended ARPT exam through SWAYAM. I have not received any scribe guidelines . However, NTA which is the nodal agency which conducts the exam has provided me the scribe and compensatory time. to avail scribe, at the time of filling your application you should mentioned that you required scribe. I have attended the ARPT exam on 30/3/2019. If You may contact SWAYAM helpline number for any assistance too. Regards, Marisport.A Regards, Marisport.A On 5/13/19, upender kushwaha wrote: > On 5/13/19, Uma VR wrote: >> Friends, >> >> Does anyone has applied for Swayam examination 2019? >> Have you received scribe guidelines for the same? >> >> -- >> Believe in WORK not in LUCK! & Most of all, trust in God but don't be >> dependent on Him. >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> >> > > hello good after noon sir, please send me. scribe guidelines ok thanks > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines for Swayam Examination 2019- reg
On 5/13/19, Uma VR wrote: > Friends, > > Does anyone has applied for Swayam examination 2019? > Have you received scribe guidelines for the same? > > -- > Believe in WORK not in LUCK! & Most of all, trust in God but don't be > dependent on Him. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > hello good after noon sir, please send me. scribe guidelines ok thanks Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
[AI] Scribe guidelines for Swayam Examination 2019- reg
Friends, Does anyone has applied for Swayam examination 2019? Have you received scribe guidelines for the same? -- Believe in WORK not in LUCK! & Most of all, trust in God but don't be dependent on Him. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
Right to take one's own scribe must be retained at all cost. In this, our advocacy has succeeded so far, it seems. One step junior than the candidate must be clarified to mean one year and not one degree. Yes, I agree that UPSC or any other body, instead of harping on the cheating by blind by taking professsional scribes, should disqualify the people doing so. Have they ever done so? If not, how can they say officially that professional scribes are taken? What proof they have? Kanchan, what is your experience? Exams, if computerized, must be made accessible in the long run. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rakesh Sharma Sent: 10 July 2018 06:42 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hello friends, Please save this ruling earned after the long battle. If we lose right to take own scribes then the fate of our destiny will be at the hands of these government officials and not our studies. In UPSC paper, you can’t expect a 12th pass student to write 9 papers in a row for 5 days. It is impossible. He/she is not equipped enough for writing in a speed which is required and for 5 days regularly. In college exams also, 12th pass students cannot right those lengthy papers. So if scribe has to be junior, it should be 1 grade junior not degree junior. Moreover, there should not be any other requirements like marks of scribe etc. if people are cheating, why they don’t disqualify the candidates. In those 3 or 4 years, I haven’t heard a single case of disqualification. It is their flexibility which allows people to cheat in the exams but now if so draconian rulings are accepted all those are preparing hard would be facing difficulty never before. Why don’t they videograph the during the exam and disqualify the candidate based on that. The reality is that people have no fear of cheating because they don’t disqualify any candidates. There are already less jobs advertised by the government and if these rulings are applied no one will be able to clear the exams and whatever is advertised would remain unfulfilled and the same is desired by these officials. It is my humble request to Kanchan ma’am and others who are fighting for the rights that please do save these rulings in spirit at least if not in letter for the better future of our fellow beings. On 09/07/2018, Krishna Bodawala wrote: > same thing happen with me last year in C.S institution exams they > provided me the scribe but he was of gujarat mediam student appearing > for my english exams > > On 7/2/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: >> The option of choosing own scribe must always be provided, >> nevertheless few qualification restrictions may be there. Even I have >> been victim of UPSC and Uttar pradesh PSC bad scribes. As they gave >> me clerk who was not even able to pronounce the english words. and in >> PSC they allow only 12 class standard student for public service >> commission examination. Even for the exam of civil judge, they >> allowed only maximum 12th class student, isn't injustice to seriously >> preparing candidate? >> >> On 7/2/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Himanshu and all on this group. I have read nearly everyones >>> comments. I do feel there is a problem in the understanding of the >>> problem and the solution. Just give me a day or two to respond to >>> all the queries and comments. It will take me a couple of hours to >>> collate everyones views. >>> Kanchan >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Himanshu Sahu >>> Sent: 01 July 2018 23:06 >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Though I accept that the libral scribe guidelines are being misused >>> by many of the blind candidates in UPSC, IBPS, RBI, and various >>> other competitive exams (I am one of the victims of this practice, >>> as they have raised the cut-offs of all competitive exams), still I >>> believe that if the new guidelines will be implemented, we will be >>> throne back in the dark era of pre-Feb, 2012, where SSC, Railways >>> etc. were providing peons, clerical and even sometimes below 10th >>> standard passed (other) staffs as writers during exams. >>> I remember that during my graduation, how badly I was running behind >>> NGOs for arranging writers having undergraduate qualifications, and >>> how big-headed heads of NGO here in Kolkata were even not picking my >>> phone
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Hello friends, Please save this ruling earned after the long battle. If we lose right to take own scribes then the fate of our destiny will be at the hands of these government officials and not our studies. In UPSC paper, you can’t expect a 12th pass student to write 9 papers in a row for 5 days. It is impossible. He/she is not equipped enough for writing in a speed which is required and for 5 days regularly. In college exams also, 12th pass students cannot right those lengthy papers. So if scribe has to be junior, it should be 1 grade junior not degree junior. Moreover, there should not be any other requirements like marks of scribe etc. if people are cheating, why they don’t disqualify the candidates. In those 3 or 4 years, I haven’t heard a single case of disqualification. It is their flexibility which allows people to cheat in the exams but now if so draconian rulings are accepted all those are preparing hard would be facing difficulty never before. Why don’t they videograph the during the exam and disqualify the candidate based on that. The reality is that people have no fear of cheating because they don’t disqualify any candidates. There are already less jobs advertised by the government and if these rulings are applied no one will be able to clear the exams and whatever is advertised would remain unfulfilled and the same is desired by these officials. It is my humble request to Kanchan ma’am and others who are fighting for the rights that please do save these rulings in spirit at least if not in letter for the better future of our fellow beings. On 09/07/2018, Krishna Bodawala wrote: > same thing happen with me last year in C.S institution exams they > provided me the scribe but he was of gujarat mediam student appearing > for my english exams > > On 7/2/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: >> The option of choosing own scribe must always be provided, >> nevertheless few qualification restrictions may be there. Even I have >> been victim of UPSC and Uttar pradesh PSC bad scribes. As they gave me >> clerk who was not even able to pronounce the english words. and in PSC >> they allow only 12 class standard student for public service >> commission examination. Even for the exam of civil judge, they allowed >> only maximum 12th class student, isn't injustice to seriously >> preparing candidate? >> >> On 7/2/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Himanshu and all on this group. I have read nearly everyones comments. I >>> do >>> feel there is a problem in the understanding of the problem and the >>> solution. Just give me a day or two to respond to all the queries and >>> comments. It will take me a couple of hours to collate everyones views. >>> Kanchan >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Himanshu Sahu >>> Sent: 01 July 2018 23:06 >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Though I accept that the libral scribe guidelines are being misused by >>> many >>> of the blind candidates in UPSC, IBPS, RBI, and various other competitive >>> exams (I am one of the victims of this practice, as they have raised the >>> cut-offs of all competitive exams), still I believe that if the new >>> guidelines will be implemented, we will be throne back in the dark era of >>> pre-Feb, 2012, where SSC, Railways etc. were providing peons, clerical >>> and >>> even sometimes below 10th standard passed (other) staffs as writers >>> during >>> exams. >>> I remember that during my graduation, how badly I was running behind NGOs >>> for arranging writers having undergraduate qualifications, and how >>> big-headed heads of NGO here in Kolkata were even not picking my phone >>> calls. >>> >>> Remember that we are going to loose our hard-fought victory on a flimsy >>> groung that few are misusing writer guidelines and using improper >>> means... >>> Any employer if able to bear expenditure and having resources to provide >>> their own writers to blind candidates, can easily instead spend resources >>> and expenditures on strengthening invigilation systems, providing >>> accessible >>> and independent exam writing environment for blind candidates. >>> >>> It seems that we have succumb to the bureaucratic pressure (bureaucracy, >>> which was never willing to see disabled at par with >>> them) and have become victim of our own distinct "blind" elite views who
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
same thing happen with me last year in C.S institution exams they provided me the scribe but he was of gujarat mediam student appearing for my english exams On 7/2/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: > The option of choosing own scribe must always be provided, > nevertheless few qualification restrictions may be there. Even I have > been victim of UPSC and Uttar pradesh PSC bad scribes. As they gave me > clerk who was not even able to pronounce the english words. and in PSC > they allow only 12 class standard student for public service > commission examination. Even for the exam of civil judge, they allowed > only maximum 12th class student, isn't injustice to seriously > preparing candidate? > > On 7/2/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Himanshu and all on this group. I have read nearly everyones comments. I >> do >> feel there is a problem in the understanding of the problem and the >> solution. Just give me a day or two to respond to all the queries and >> comments. It will take me a couple of hours to collate everyones views. >> Kanchan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Himanshu Sahu >> Sent: 01 July 2018 23:06 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Though I accept that the libral scribe guidelines are being misused by >> many >> of the blind candidates in UPSC, IBPS, RBI, and various other competitive >> exams (I am one of the victims of this practice, as they have raised the >> cut-offs of all competitive exams), still I believe that if the new >> guidelines will be implemented, we will be throne back in the dark era of >> pre-Feb, 2012, where SSC, Railways etc. were providing peons, clerical and >> even sometimes below 10th standard passed (other) staffs as writers during >> exams. >> I remember that during my graduation, how badly I was running behind NGOs >> for arranging writers having undergraduate qualifications, and how >> big-headed heads of NGO here in Kolkata were even not picking my phone >> calls. >> >> Remember that we are going to loose our hard-fought victory on a flimsy >> groung that few are misusing writer guidelines and using improper means... >> Any employer if able to bear expenditure and having resources to provide >> their own writers to blind candidates, can easily instead spend resources >> and expenditures on strengthening invigilation systems, providing >> accessible >> and independent exam writing environment for blind candidates. >> >> It seems that we have succumb to the bureaucratic pressure (bureaucracy, >> which was never willing to see disabled at par with >> them) and have become victim of our own distinct "blind" elite views who >> feel that they are the best architect of the fate of entire blind >> community. >> >> I worn that, however, if the new guidelines get implemented in this very >> draft form, will be marred by litigations and counter litigations... And, >> perhaps I'll be also one of them to challenge this. >> >> My simple suggestion, instead of creating this high level drama is to make >> sit candidates under direct scanner of cc tv cameras and allow them to >> give >> their exams with any writer (though if higher qualification than the >> candidate, is not desirous and may be barred), and resolve the entire >> issue. >> >> My sincere thanks to Kanchan Jee for her fight for protecting rights of VI >> people... but it seems that it is going in vein. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/30/18, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >>> Hi! >>> A thoughtfull discussion is going on. >>> I would like to say few things in this regard. If the compititive exam >>> platform is made accessible, then how a VI should perform the rough >>> work like solving reasoning and quant? Though the brail and mathamatic >>> equipments are allove in the examination hall, It is impossible to >>> perform all the tasks within the given timeframe. >>> 2nd, we should not forget about the literacy rate in VI community. >>> Submition of audio files for discriptive paper may not be a sound idea. >>> Rohiet Patil >>> Cell: +919850831774 >>> -Original Message- >>> From: pranaya rani >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:50 PM >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scrib
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
The option of choosing own scribe must always be provided, nevertheless few qualification restrictions may be there. Even I have been victim of UPSC and Uttar pradesh PSC bad scribes. As they gave me clerk who was not even able to pronounce the english words. and in PSC they allow only 12 class standard student for public service commission examination. Even for the exam of civil judge, they allowed only maximum 12th class student, isn't injustice to seriously preparing candidate? On 7/2/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Himanshu and all on this group. I have read nearly everyones comments. I do > feel there is a problem in the understanding of the problem and the > solution. Just give me a day or two to respond to all the queries and > comments. It will take me a couple of hours to collate everyones views. > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Himanshu Sahu > Sent: 01 July 2018 23:06 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Though I accept that the libral scribe guidelines are being misused by many > of the blind candidates in UPSC, IBPS, RBI, and various other competitive > exams (I am one of the victims of this practice, as they have raised the > cut-offs of all competitive exams), still I believe that if the new > guidelines will be implemented, we will be throne back in the dark era of > pre-Feb, 2012, where SSC, Railways etc. were providing peons, clerical and > even sometimes below 10th standard passed (other) staffs as writers during > exams. > I remember that during my graduation, how badly I was running behind NGOs > for arranging writers having undergraduate qualifications, and how > big-headed heads of NGO here in Kolkata were even not picking my phone > calls. > > Remember that we are going to loose our hard-fought victory on a flimsy > groung that few are misusing writer guidelines and using improper means... > Any employer if able to bear expenditure and having resources to provide > their own writers to blind candidates, can easily instead spend resources > and expenditures on strengthening invigilation systems, providing accessible > and independent exam writing environment for blind candidates. > > It seems that we have succumb to the bureaucratic pressure (bureaucracy, > which was never willing to see disabled at par with > them) and have become victim of our own distinct "blind" elite views who > feel that they are the best architect of the fate of entire blind community. > > I worn that, however, if the new guidelines get implemented in this very > draft form, will be marred by litigations and counter litigations... And, > perhaps I'll be also one of them to challenge this. > > My simple suggestion, instead of creating this high level drama is to make > sit candidates under direct scanner of cc tv cameras and allow them to give > their exams with any writer (though if higher qualification than the > candidate, is not desirous and may be barred), and resolve the entire issue. > > My sincere thanks to Kanchan Jee for her fight for protecting rights of VI > people... but it seems that it is going in vein. > > > > > > On 6/30/18, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: >> Hi! >> A thoughtfull discussion is going on. >> I would like to say few things in this regard. If the compititive exam >> platform is made accessible, then how a VI should perform the rough >> work like solving reasoning and quant? Though the brail and mathamatic >> equipments are allove in the examination hall, It is impossible to >> perform all the tasks within the given timeframe. >> 2nd, we should not forget about the literacy rate in VI community. >> Submition of audio files for discriptive paper may not be a sound idea. >> Rohiet Patil >> Cell: +919850831774 >> -Original Message- >> From: pranaya rani >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:50 PM >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Best is we must be allowed to our own scribers, scribers provided by >> examining authorities/agencies are always substandard/unqualified, I >> have heard many times clerks/peons are provided as scribers, terrible! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Lyngdoh >> Sent: 28 June, 2018 1:40 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
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Himanshu and all on this group. I have read nearly everyones comments. I do feel there is a problem in the understanding of the problem and the solution. Just give me a day or two to respond to all the queries and comments. It will take me a couple of hours to collate everyones views. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Himanshu Sahu Sent: 01 July 2018 23:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Though I accept that the libral scribe guidelines are being misused by many of the blind candidates in UPSC, IBPS, RBI, and various other competitive exams (I am one of the victims of this practice, as they have raised the cut-offs of all competitive exams), still I believe that if the new guidelines will be implemented, we will be throne back in the dark era of pre-Feb, 2012, where SSC, Railways etc. were providing peons, clerical and even sometimes below 10th standard passed (other) staffs as writers during exams. I remember that during my graduation, how badly I was running behind NGOs for arranging writers having undergraduate qualifications, and how big-headed heads of NGO here in Kolkata were even not picking my phone calls. Remember that we are going to loose our hard-fought victory on a flimsy groung that few are misusing writer guidelines and using improper means... Any employer if able to bear expenditure and having resources to provide their own writers to blind candidates, can easily instead spend resources and expenditures on strengthening invigilation systems, providing accessible and independent exam writing environment for blind candidates. It seems that we have succumb to the bureaucratic pressure (bureaucracy, which was never willing to see disabled at par with them) and have become victim of our own distinct "blind" elite views who feel that they are the best architect of the fate of entire blind community. I worn that, however, if the new guidelines get implemented in this very draft form, will be marred by litigations and counter litigations... And, perhaps I'll be also one of them to challenge this. My simple suggestion, instead of creating this high level drama is to make sit candidates under direct scanner of cc tv cameras and allow them to give their exams with any writer (though if higher qualification than the candidate, is not desirous and may be barred), and resolve the entire issue. My sincere thanks to Kanchan Jee for her fight for protecting rights of VI people... but it seems that it is going in vein. On 6/30/18, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: > Hi! > A thoughtfull discussion is going on. > I would like to say few things in this regard. If the compititive exam > platform is made accessible, then how a VI should perform the rough > work like solving reasoning and quant? Though the brail and mathamatic > equipments are allove in the examination hall, It is impossible to > perform all the tasks within the given timeframe. > 2nd, we should not forget about the literacy rate in VI community. > Submition of audio files for discriptive paper may not be a sound idea. > Rohiet Patil > Cell: +919850831774 > -Original Message- > From: pranaya rani > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:50 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Best is we must be allowed to our own scribers, scribers provided by > examining authorities/agencies are always substandard/unqualified, I > have heard many times clerks/peons are provided as scribers, terrible! > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Lyngdoh > Sent: 28 June, 2018 1:40 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > > Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that > institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against > it? > I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I > wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I > will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even > know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings > almost the whole of exam period. > What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault > for it? > > On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: >> Dear Dananjay >> >> Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording >> of the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in >> providing scribes. >> I suppose
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Though I accept that the libral scribe guidelines are being misused by many of the blind candidates in UPSC, IBPS, RBI, and various other competitive exams (I am one of the victims of this practice, as they have raised the cut-offs of all competitive exams), still I believe that if the new guidelines will be implemented, we will be throne back in the dark era of pre-Feb, 2012, where SSC, Railways etc. were providing peons, clerical and even sometimes below 10th standard passed (other) staffs as writers during exams. I remember that during my graduation, how badly I was running behind NGOs for arranging writers having undergraduate qualifications, and how big-headed heads of NGO here in Kolkata were even not picking my phone calls. Remember that we are going to loose our hard-fought victory on a flimsy groung that few are misusing writer guidelines and using improper means... Any employer if able to bear expenditure and having resources to provide their own writers to blind candidates, can easily instead spend resources and expenditures on strengthening invigilation systems, providing accessible and independent exam writing environment for blind candidates. It seems that we have succumb to the bureaucratic pressure (bureaucracy, which was never willing to see disabled at par with them) and have become victim of our own distinct "blind" elite views who feel that they are the best architect of the fate of entire blind community. I worn that, however, if the new guidelines get implemented in this very draft form, will be marred by litigations and counter litigations... And, perhaps I'll be also one of them to challenge this. My simple suggestion, instead of creating this high level drama is to make sit candidates under direct scanner of cc tv cameras and allow them to give their exams with any writer (though if higher qualification than the candidate, is not desirous and may be barred), and resolve the entire issue. My sincere thanks to Kanchan Jee for her fight for protecting rights of VI people... but it seems that it is going in vein. On 6/30/18, Rohiet A. Patil wrote: > Hi! > A thoughtfull discussion is going on. > I would like to say few things in this regard. If the compititive exam > platform is made accessible, then how a VI should perform the rough work > like solving reasoning and quant? Though the brail and mathamatic equipments > are allove in the examination hall, It is impossible to perform all the > tasks within the given timeframe. > 2nd, we should not forget about the literacy rate in VI community. > Submition of audio files for discriptive paper may not be a sound idea. > Rohiet Patil > Cell: +919850831774 > -Original Message- > From: pranaya rani > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:50 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Best is we must be allowed to our own scribers, scribers provided by > examining authorities/agencies are always substandard/unqualified, I have > heard many times clerks/peons are provided as scribers, terrible! > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Lyngdoh > Sent: 28 June, 2018 1:40 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > > Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that > institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against > it? > I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I > wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I > will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even > know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings > almost the whole of exam period. > What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for > it? > > On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: >> Dear Dananjay >> >> Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of the >> exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in providing >> scribes. >> I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence >> >> Please also document the process of the equipment used, the preservation >> policy of the recording, protocol to handover the recording etc. Get the >> documentation published on your portal so that it becomes a fully >> transparent process. >> >> >> Your thoughts please. >> >> Harish. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Dhananjay Bhole >> Sent: Wednesday,
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Hi! A thoughtfull discussion is going on. I would like to say few things in this regard. If the compititive exam platform is made accessible, then how a VI should perform the rough work like solving reasoning and quant? Though the brail and mathamatic equipments are allove in the examination hall, It is impossible to perform all the tasks within the given timeframe. 2nd, we should not forget about the literacy rate in VI community. Submition of audio files for discriptive paper may not be a sound idea. Rohiet Patil Cell: +919850831774 -Original Message- From: pranaya rani Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:50 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Best is we must be allowed to our own scribers, scribers provided by examining authorities/agencies are always substandard/unqualified, I have heard many times clerks/peons are provided as scribers, terrible! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Lyngdoh Sent: 28 June, 2018 1:40 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam period. What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for it? On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: Dear Dananjay Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in providing scribes. I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence Please also document the process of the equipment used, the preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that it becomes a fully transparent process. Your thoughts please. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Dear All, Very important discussion going on. I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions providing scribe from their side? Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as well. Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what student is dictating. Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for it. Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well which provides scribes to students. I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who was not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. Regards On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the pas
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Dear kanchan, congrats to you for all these, your stubbory stance, hard negotiating skills, taking on everyone in the room to protect our interests, it should have much more than difficult to convince others who don't have an aorta of knowledge of blind persons and scribes, all in all we all must be indebtedness to you -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: 25 June, 2018 4:18 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard what happened but let me explain a few issues 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because no one really implemented the guidelines. 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these guidelines were unfair. 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers complained to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this meeting on 20th June. 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C and SSC. 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary had gone to meet the Minister. 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. 11. It was quite a hot debate. 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same person to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations of the Sub-committee were accepted. 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body can provide not less than a matriculate. 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the original guidelines. 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less in qualification than the candidate. 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground realities will tell. 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the courts. 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a lot of diplomacy. 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional scribes. 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court and Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give your input on these crucial issues. 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to face a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. I further wish that none of my people suffer because of bad scribes. Kanchan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@ac
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Best is we must be allowed to our own scribers, scribers provided by examining authorities/agencies are always substandard/unqualified, I have heard many times clerks/peons are provided as scribers, terrible! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Lyngdoh Sent: 28 June, 2018 1:40 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam period. What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for it? On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Dear Dananjay > > Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of the > exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in providing > scribes. > I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence > > Please also document the process of the equipment used, the preservation > policy of the recording, protocol to handover the recording etc. Get the > documentation published on your portal so that it becomes a fully > transparent process. > > > Your thoughts please. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Dhananjay Bhole > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Dear All, > > > Very important discussion going on. > I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions > providing scribe from their side? > Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have > to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and > affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research > associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as well. > Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to > students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what student > is dictating. > Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to > coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what > type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe should > be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the > scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG if > student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year > MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is comfortable > with other stream, they can go for it. > > Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of > students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well > which provides scribes to students. > > I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who was > not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science > and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. > Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if scribe > is provided by institutes conducting exams. > > Regards > On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >> criteria for both candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it >> be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed >> candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Congrats! >>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>> &
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Prometric service or something similar may be a solution. Test takers can inform examining authority with respect to their condition , accommodations and other needs while submitting their application. The examining authorities can get in-touch with prometric services and prometric service can arrange scribes and these people are responsible for providing training to scribes with respect to reading diagrams, formulas and so on and inform them about ethical practices. Additionally, prometric services will verify test-takers documents, video-tape candidate's responses and so on. In this kind of situation, candidates will go to prometric service location to take their exams. May be a distant possibility. Cheers, Sathiya On 6/28/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > Hi Kanchan, > > I wrote a letter to them the following week itself with many > suggestions included in it. I will check it if I have it in soft copy > and send it to you. > Note that I did not get any respond from them though. > > On 6/28/18, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >> The committee should also raise the issue of allowing blind people to >> carry braille and teller frames inside the examination hall, for >> solving mathematical and reasoning questions. >> Sometimes, keeping long steps in mind becomes a difficult task. >> >> >> On 6/28/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> You could have complained to the UPSC . One letter of complaint would >>> have >>> helped us in our negotiations. >>> Kanchan >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lyngdoh >>> Sent: 28 June 2018 13:40 >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that >>> institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? >>> I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote >>> for >>> my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good >>> one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to >>> pronounce >>> english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam >>> period. >>> What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for >>> it? >>> >>> On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: >>>> Dear Dananjay >>>> >>>> Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of >>>> the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in >>>> providing scribes. >>>> I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence >>>> >>>> Please also document the process of the equipment used, the >>>> preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the >>>> recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that >>>> it becomes a fully transparent process. >>>> >>>> >>>> Your thoughts please. >>>> >>>> Harish. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerning the disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> >>>> Very important discussion going on. >>>> I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions >>>> providing scribe from their side? >>>> Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I >>>> have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university >>>> department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior >>>> person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a >>>> scribe >>>> and superviser as well. >>>> Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful >>>> to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what >>>> student is dictating. >>>> Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to >>>> coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as >>>> what ty
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Hi Kanchan, I wrote a letter to them the following week itself with many suggestions included in it. I will check it if I have it in soft copy and send it to you. Note that I did not get any respond from them though. On 6/28/18, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > The committee should also raise the issue of allowing blind people to > carry braille and teller frames inside the examination hall, for > solving mathematical and reasoning questions. > Sometimes, keeping long steps in mind becomes a difficult task. > > > On 6/28/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> You could have complained to the UPSC . One letter of complaint would have >> helped us in our negotiations. >> Kanchan >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Lyngdoh >> Sent: 28 June 2018 13:40 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Hi >> >> Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that >> institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? >> I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote >> for >> my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good >> one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to >> pronounce >> english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam >> period. >> What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for >> it? >> >> On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: >>> Dear Dananjay >>> >>> Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of >>> the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in >>> providing scribes. >>> I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence >>> >>> Please also document the process of the equipment used, the >>> preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the >>> recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that >>> it becomes a fully transparent process. >>> >>> >>> Your thoughts please. >>> >>> Harish. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> >>> Very important discussion going on. >>> I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions >>> providing scribe from their side? >>> Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I >>> have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university >>> department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior >>> person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe >>> and superviser as well. >>> Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful >>> to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what >>> student is dictating. >>> Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to >>> coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as >>> what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the >>> scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I >>> suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year >>> lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the >>> scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science >>> background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for >>> it. >>> >>> Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience >>> of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes >>> as well which provides scribes to students. >>> >>> I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam >>> who was not able to understand and read and write several >>> terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. >>> Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if >>> scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. >>> >>> Regards &g
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The committee should also raise the issue of allowing blind people to carry braille and teller frames inside the examination hall, for solving mathematical and reasoning questions. Sometimes, keeping long steps in mind becomes a difficult task. On 6/28/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > You could have complained to the UPSC . One letter of complaint would have > helped us in our negotiations. > Kanchan > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Lyngdoh > Sent: 28 June 2018 13:40 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > > Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that > institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? > I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote for > my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good > one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to pronounce > english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam > period. > What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for > it? > > On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: >> Dear Dananjay >> >> Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of >> the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in >> providing scribes. >> I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence >> >> Please also document the process of the equipment used, the >> preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the >> recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that >> it becomes a fully transparent process. >> >> >> Your thoughts please. >> >> Harish. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> Very important discussion going on. >> I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions >> providing scribe from their side? >> Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I >> have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university >> department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior >> person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe >> and superviser as well. >> Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful >> to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what >> student is dictating. >> Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to >> coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as >> what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the >> scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I >> suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year >> lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the >> scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science >> background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for >> it. >> >> Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience >> of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes >> as well which provides scribes to students. >> >> I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam >> who was not able to understand and read and write several >> terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. >> Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if >> scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. >> >> Regards >> On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: >>> hi friends! >>> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >>> different qualification. >>> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >>> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >>> criteria for both candidates? >>> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't >>> it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth >>> passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >>> >&g
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You could have complained to the UPSC . One letter of complaint would have helped us in our negotiations. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Lyngdoh Sent: 28 June 2018 13:40 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam period. What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for it? On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Dear Dananjay > > Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of > the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in > providing scribes. > I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence > > Please also document the process of the equipment used, the > preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the > recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that > it becomes a fully transparent process. > > > Your thoughts please. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Dear All, > > > Very important discussion going on. > I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions > providing scribe from their side? > Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I > have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university > department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior > person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and > superviser as well. > Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful > to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what > student is dictating. > Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to > coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as > what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the > scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I > suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year > lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the > scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science > background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for it. > > Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience > of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes > as well which provides scribes to students. > > I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam > who was not able to understand and read and write several > terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. > Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if > scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. > > Regards > On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >> criteria for both candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't >> it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth >> passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Congrats! >>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>> >>>> At least folks now at least, stop using
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Hi Depending on institution to provide a scribe is good. But what if that institution send an unqualified one? What action can be done against it? I had a very bad experience in this matter with UPSC exam. When I wrote for my first attempt I opted for UPSC scribe thinking that I will get a good one. Unfortunate for me, I got a girl who did not even know how to pronounce english words and I have to ask for spellings almost the whole of exam period. What can we do in such cases except to feel dejected without my fault for it? On 6/28/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Dear Dananjay > > Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of the > exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in providing > scribes. > I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence > > Please also document the process of the equipment used, the preservation > policy of the recording, protocol to handover the recording etc. Get the > documentation published on your portal so that it becomes a fully > transparent process. > > > Your thoughts please. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Dhananjay Bhole > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Dear All, > > > Very important discussion going on. > I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions > providing scribe from their side? > Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have > to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and > affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research > associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as well. > Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to > students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what student > is dictating. > Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to > coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what > type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe should > be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the > scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG if > student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year > MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is comfortable > with other stream, they can go for it. > > Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of > students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well > which provides scribes to students. > > I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who was > not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science > and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. > Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if scribe > is provided by institutes conducting exams. > > Regards > On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >> criteria for both candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it >> be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed >> candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Congrats! >>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>> >>>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>>> >>>> >>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>>> >>>> 0712 28
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Dear Dananjay Do you think, you can take an initiative of audio / video recording of the exams of VI candidate as a part of the support service in providing scribes. I suppose it is time for someone to bell the cat and build precedence Please also document the process of the equipment used, the preservation policy of the recording, protocol to handover the recording etc. Get the documentation published on your portal so that it becomes a fully transparent process. Your thoughts please. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 1:35 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Dear All, Very important discussion going on. I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions providing scribe from their side? Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as well. Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what student is dictating. Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for it. Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well which provides scribes to students. I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who was not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. Regards On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>> >>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and
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Prashant, Our subcommittee let us down at one level and secondly our own people have complained to court and to the UPSC and our own Ministry against the rampant misuse of scribes. Technology during exams is improving every year and slowly but surely we will get to a point when most exams will be on the computer however at present we are not there and therefore we have to deal with the difficult situation. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan Verma Sent: 27 June 2018 16:37 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines It is unfortunate that the present progressive and rights based exam writing guidelines are being tinkered with. Instead of modifications, it should have been uniformly implemented all over the country. If some problems were being observed, arrangements should have been made for stronger invigilation. May be a complete video + audio recording of each blind candidate with scribe could be done. It is not so expensive and I think cost is anyway not the reason for the changes being proposed. The videos of successful candidates could then be evaluated and compared with the answer sheets. The fear of being in complete CCTV surveillance would deter much of the wrong practices. These days the election voting, some court hearings, interrogations etc. are being video graphed. why can't the same government agree for video graphy of exams? If not this, why cant the government appoint invigilator for each blind candidate or at least one invigilator for 2 blind candidates. Accessibility of the question paper and method of evaluation is a separate issue which needs to be pursued with each examining body in parallel. Imagine the government appointed pool of scribes offering the blind candidates additional service on some payment. If blind candidates are being accused of malpractices, the scribe pool can also become corrupt with time. Who wants to give a guarantee that knowledge is related to academic qualifications only? Why can't a less qualified person be capable of solving questions of a higher exam? and in the same way are all post graduates capable of doing well in the class 12 exams even now? Fixing scribe qualifications is not a good idea, it will not solve the problem. thanks, Prashant -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sudeshna Bhattacharya Sent: 27 June 2018 15:05 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi Friends, On reading this very interesting and extremely useful discussion, I could not stop from expressing my observations and view there of. Firstly in a country like India where there is a huge number of unemployed youth, it will not be that easy to curb malpractices of various types in writing exams. We are thinking of malpractices that can be caused by using scribes by VI candidates only, but it can happen with any other candidates as well by any other type of wrong attitude.. So why to stop VI candidates from choosing scribe of their own as it was before? Is it the only malpractice going on while writing any exam?Here I’d like to mention that I don’t support malpractices by VI but when finding a scribe itself is a great challenge- particularly in semi urban or rural areas, putting even more restriction will make the chance of getting a scribe even more limited.. Secondly I feel, even if the exam authority can build up a pool of scribes and provides scribe mandatorily to the candidates who are to use their services,is there any guarantee that every one of them will be of same qualification or merit? Moreover if a VI candidate finds a scribe provided by the authority not suitable for him / her to write the exam only two days before the exam, how the authority will provide him / her a suitable one within that very short time?won’t it be an extreme injustice towards him / her and don’t you feel it will create a tremendous mental pressure on the candidate? Thirdly, if we think the case of any exam for any other people, aren’t there any differences amongst the candidates in regard to qualification and merit? E. g. in any clerical exam do all the candidates hold the same HS qualification? Still lots of HS candidates are appearing the exam knowing fully well that there is very high possibility of many candidates with much higher degree and efficiency being his / her competitor. isn’t it? Fourthly, if we talk about professional scribes and malpractices caused by them, lowering educational qualification doesn’t seem to be a viable solution because in that case, persons interested to be a scribe in profession, will learn the subjects of competitive exams only i
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that the integrity of the exam is > not compromised. > > Additional note: One way to make math related content accessible could be a > MathML based course material as well as the examination, but that too will > not solve diagram issues. So in near future we would have to depend on human > scribes. I think UPSC should establish disability support services similar > to what Pune University already has. If such a service gets established, > UPSC could make incremental modifications every year. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 3:56 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > George, > I think it was used to illustrate the scenario. Well, firstly PhD candidate > shouldn't be applying to compete for a clerk post. Overall point is if > scribe qualification is slightly less than what the job is needed should be > enough. If at all that less qualification is a mandate. > > Regards, > > Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com > > Let's create an inclusive web! > > Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:41 PM, George Abraham wrote: > >> Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely >> higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed >> scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kotian, H P >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Hi >> If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a >> clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 >> candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to >> consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. >> Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in >> this case. >> >> I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. >> Mentioned it for illustration purpose. >> >> Harish. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Shweta Mishra >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >> criteria for both candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it >> be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed >> candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> > past I have always looked for graduates. >> > >> > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> >> Congrats! >> >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> >> >> President >> >> VIBEWA >> >> Co-Moderator >> >> VIB-India >> >> >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> >> laughter. >> >> >&g
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Hi all, Many of the problems such as finding a suitable writer at the last minute due to unsuitability or health issues could be solved if the examination system is a bit flexible. Accommodating people with various needs is not easy so examining bodies could consider second chance in a few days. Many international examining bodies allow you to retake the exam if due to unavoidable circumstances your exam could not be completed on the set date. They also provide religious alternative dates for candidates who cannot appear on the set date. I am using religious alternative date as an example of being flexible. Many of you already know, examination bodies such ETS or GMAC also provide 50 to 100 percent extra time for Toefl/GRE / GMAT. Unfortunately even GMAT or GRE are not yet accessible via computer though they allow the candidates to write the descriptive parts using screen readers. I understand that there could be problems regarding diagrams, special symbols etc. many of the suggestions put forward are visionary in nature but we need to go by what is already available. These bodies have a lot of discretion about whom they allow as a scribe. It is their mandate to provide a suitable scribe, but if you request, they do allow your own candidate and they record your session to check for any malpractice. Many of Indian examining bodies would say that they do not have resources to record sessions. But it is their responsibility to provide support for candidates as well as ensure that the integrity of the exam is not compromised. Additional note: One way to make math related content accessible could be a MathML based course material as well as the examination, but that too will not solve diagram issues. So in near future we would have to depend on human scribes. I think UPSC should establish disability support services similar to what Pune University already has. If such a service gets established, UPSC could make incremental modifications every year. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 3:56 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines George, I think it was used to illustrate the scenario. Well, firstly PhD candidate shouldn't be applying to compete for a clerk post. Overall point is if scribe qualification is slightly less than what the job is needed should be enough. If at all that less qualification is a mandate. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com Let's create an inclusive web! Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:41 PM, George Abraham wrote: > Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely > higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed > scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder! > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kotian, H P > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a > clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 > candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to > consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. > Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in > this case. > > I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. > Mentioned it for illustration purpose. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe
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HI Sudeshna Bhattacharya it was a good discussion. very neatly concluded all the points. dear friends. if the minimam qualification for a scribe is matriculation. what is the criteria for a VI candidate who is appearing for SSC board exam which is equivalent to matriculation in AP? nead your suggestions and inputs on this point. Thank you all in advance. Shivasuresh On 6/27/18, Srinivasu Chakravarthula wrote: > George, > I think it was used to illustrate the scenario. Well, firstly PhD candidate > shouldn't be applying to compete for a clerk post. Overall point is if > scribe qualification is slightly less than what the job is needed should be > enough. If at all that less qualification is a mandate. > > Regards, > > Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com > > Let's create an inclusive web! > > Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:41 PM, George Abraham wrote: > >> Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely >> higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed >> scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kotian, H P >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Hi >> If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk >> for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a >> post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job >> is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. >> Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this >> case. >> >> I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned >> it for illustration purpose. >> >> Harish. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Shweta Mishra >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing >> for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both >> candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be >> injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed >> candidate >> will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> > past I have always looked for graduates. >> > >> > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> >> Congrats! >> >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> >> >> President >> >> VIBEWA >> >> Co-Moderator >> >> VIB-India >> >> >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> >> laughter. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> >> concerning the disabled.' >> >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> >> >&
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It is unfortunate that the present progressive and rights based exam writing guidelines are being tinkered with. Instead of modifications, it should have been uniformly implemented all over the country. If some problems were being observed, arrangements should have been made for stronger invigilation. May be a complete video + audio recording of each blind candidate with scribe could be done. It is not so expensive and I think cost is anyway not the reason for the changes being proposed. The videos of successful candidates could then be evaluated and compared with the answer sheets. The fear of being in complete CCTV surveillance would deter much of the wrong practices. These days the election voting, some court hearings, interrogations etc. are being video graphed. why can't the same government agree for video graphy of exams? If not this, why cant the government appoint invigilator for each blind candidate or at least one invigilator for 2 blind candidates. Accessibility of the question paper and method of evaluation is a separate issue which needs to be pursued with each examining body in parallel. Imagine the government appointed pool of scribes offering the blind candidates additional service on some payment. If blind candidates are being accused of malpractices, the scribe pool can also become corrupt with time. Who wants to give a guarantee that knowledge is related to academic qualifications only? Why can't a less qualified person be capable of solving questions of a higher exam? and in the same way are all post graduates capable of doing well in the class 12 exams even now? Fixing scribe qualifications is not a good idea, it will not solve the problem. thanks, Prashant -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sudeshna Bhattacharya Sent: 27 June 2018 15:05 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi Friends, On reading this very interesting and extremely useful discussion, I could not stop from expressing my observations and view there of. Firstly in a country like India where there is a huge number of unemployed youth, it will not be that easy to curb malpractices of various types in writing exams. We are thinking of malpractices that can be caused by using scribes by VI candidates only, but it can happen with any other candidates as well by any other type of wrong attitude.. So why to stop VI candidates from choosing scribe of their own as it was before? Is it the only malpractice going on while writing any exam?Here I’d like to mention that I don’t support malpractices by VI but when finding a scribe itself is a great challenge- particularly in semi urban or rural areas, putting even more restriction will make the chance of getting a scribe even more limited.. Secondly I feel, even if the exam authority can build up a pool of scribes and provides scribe mandatorily to the candidates who are to use their services,is there any guarantee that every one of them will be of same qualification or merit? Moreover if a VI candidate finds a scribe provided by the authority not suitable for him / her to write the exam only two days before the exam, how the authority will provide him / her a suitable one within that very short time?won’t it be an extreme injustice towards him / her and don’t you feel it will create a tremendous mental pressure on the candidate? Thirdly, if we think the case of any exam for any other people, aren’t there any differences amongst the candidates in regard to qualification and merit? E. g. in any clerical exam do all the candidates hold the same HS qualification? Still lots of HS candidates are appearing the exam knowing fully well that there is very high possibility of many candidates with much higher degree and efficiency being his / her competitor. isn’t it? Fourthly, if we talk about professional scribes and malpractices caused by them, lowering educational qualification doesn’t seem to be a viable solution because in that case, persons interested to be a scribe in profession, will learn the subjects of competitive exams only irrespective of their qualification and master it. Hence putting restriction on scribe selection can neither rule out the possibility of malpractice, nor the use of professional scribes’ service. Fifth, digital media like EVM, audio recorder for submitting exam papers is a time taken process in Indian Infrastructural scenario and its efficiency is also debatable. Finally, when our objective is to see the well being of the VI community as a whole, and at the same time getting a suitable scribe is really tough task,just in an attempt to eliminate malpractice and use of professional scribes, I think, instead of putting restriction on scribe selection process and blaming our own community for using unethical means,
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George, I think it was used to illustrate the scenario. Well, firstly PhD candidate shouldn't be applying to compete for a clerk post. Overall point is if scribe qualification is slightly less than what the job is needed should be enough. If at all that less qualification is a mandate. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com Let's create an inclusive web! Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:41 PM, George Abraham wrote: > Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely > higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed > scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder! > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kotian, H P > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk > for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a > post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job > is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. > Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this > case. > > I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned > it for illustration purpose. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing > for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both > candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be > injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate > will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > > past I have always looked for graduates. > > > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > >> Congrats! > >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in > >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and > >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. > >> > >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. > >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. > >> > >> > >> सादर / With thanks & Regards > >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur > >> > >> 0712 2806846 > >> > >> President > >> VIBEWA > >> Co-Moderator > >> VIB-India > >> > >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > >> laughter. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 > >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >> concerning the disabled.' > >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > >> > >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already > >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues > >> > >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > >> > >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem > because > >> no one really implemented the guidelines. > >> > >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that > >> these > >> guidelines were unfair. > >> > >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines > gave > >> them t
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Hi Friends, On reading this very interesting and extremely useful discussion, I could not stop from expressing my observations and view there of. Firstly in a country like India where there is a huge number of unemployed youth, it will not be that easy to curb malpractices of various types in writing exams. We are thinking of malpractices that can be caused by using scribes by VI candidates only, but it can happen with any other candidates as well by any other type of wrong attitude.. So why to stop VI candidates from choosing scribe of their own as it was before? Is it the only malpractice going on while writing any exam?Here I’d like to mention that I don’t support malpractices by VI but when finding a scribe itself is a great challenge- particularly in semi urban or rural areas, putting even more restriction will make the chance of getting a scribe even more limited.. Secondly I feel, even if the exam authority can build up a pool of scribes and provides scribe mandatorily to the candidates who are to use their services,is there any guarantee that every one of them will be of same qualification or merit? Moreover if a VI candidate finds a scribe provided by the authority not suitable for him / her to write the exam only two days before the exam, how the authority will provide him / her a suitable one within that very short time?won’t it be an extreme injustice towards him / her and don’t you feel it will create a tremendous mental pressure on the candidate? Thirdly, if we think the case of any exam for any other people, aren’t there any differences amongst the candidates in regard to qualification and merit? E. g. in any clerical exam do all the candidates hold the same HS qualification? Still lots of HS candidates are appearing the exam knowing fully well that there is very high possibility of many candidates with much higher degree and efficiency being his / her competitor. isn’t it? Fourthly, if we talk about professional scribes and malpractices caused by them, lowering educational qualification doesn’t seem to be a viable solution because in that case, persons interested to be a scribe in profession, will learn the subjects of competitive exams only irrespective of their qualification and master it. Hence putting restriction on scribe selection can neither rule out the possibility of malpractice, nor the use of professional scribes’ service. Fifth, digital media like EVM, audio recorder for submitting exam papers is a time taken process in Indian Infrastructural scenario and its efficiency is also debatable. Finally, when our objective is to see the well being of the VI community as a whole, and at the same time getting a suitable scribe is really tough task,just in an attempt to eliminate malpractice and use of professional scribes, I think, instead of putting restriction on scribe selection process and blaming our own community for using unethical means, we should rely on the basic ethics of our own community and prepare for the exams to come. the scribe selection should be with the candidates only to ensure availability and prior exam interaction. The responsibility to curb the malpractice should lie with the exam authority’s stringent invigilation as well. For providing Independent writing experience to the candidates, the online exam platform should be fully accessible and the specified computers should be equipped with open source assistive softwares. All your criticisms against my view are most welcome. Thanks and regards, Sudeshna Bhattacharya On 6/27/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > In reply to your 2.At the harshest level I can suggest that you ask the > Examining Authorities to get you a writer. Also there is a rule of not less > than matriculation. So 9th standard is not required. > As far as 3 is concerned yes your brother will have different level of > writer. > This is to prevent your brother from having a overqualified scribe. > Please understand that this matter has been going on for 12 years. We are > reviewing the 2013 guidelines only because some of us decided to circumvent > the law .. - > Kanchan > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Yogesh Chhabra > Sent: 26 June 2018 19:23 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > respected members and kanchan mam, > after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and situations > which I am unable to see the solutions, 1, according to the proposed > guidelines, the scribe should be one class below the candidates > qualification then suppose if I am a language student like German and I am > appearing for my first year exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom > should I take as a scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this > because no one can read german
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In reply to your 2.At the harshest level I can suggest that you ask the Examining Authorities to get you a writer. Also there is a rule of not less than matriculation. So 9th standard is not required. As far as 3 is concerned yes your brother will have different level of writer. This is to prevent your brother from having a overqualified scribe. Please understand that this matter has been going on for 12 years. We are reviewing the 2013 guidelines only because some of us decided to circumvent the law .. - Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Yogesh Chhabra Sent: 26 June 2018 19:23 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines respected members and kanchan mam, after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and situations which I am unable to see the solutions, 1, according to the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one class below the candidates qualification then suppose if I am a language student like German and I am appearing for my first year exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom should I take as a scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this because no one can read german or any other language and according to this situation I need to take one class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th standard or below 12th class student. similarly, there are many courses in JNU and other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who will be the scribe for such students in their first year course? 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one of my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, but at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are also having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take 9th standard student to write my math examination. here the situation is that the 11th standard math and 9th standard's math is totally different and most of the things will be new for the scribe and he will find it difficult to read it for me. so in this situation, who will be my scribe? 3. suppose me and my brother are appearing for the railway examination and we both are visually impaired. my qualification is post graduate and my brother's qualification is 12th standard and both are eligible for this examination. according to the proposed scribe guidelines, I can take the scribe who is pursuing post graduation and my brother can take the 11th standard scribe only. This situation will occur in the SSC 12th standard higher secondary level examination also. so friends, what are the solutions for these situations? On 6/26/18, Siva Suresh wrote: > waw! amazing discussion. it was very helpful and people will be > greatly benifited if we have a strong guidelines for getting scribes. > at the same time we should support the people who are talking on our > behalf. I thank Kanchan for your great effort to support every > visually impaired friends across india. it was a very helpful > discussion for every one. > > Thank you. Shivasuresh > > > On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities >> are saying that they will provide and we don’t have to worry. >> All my effort will go to nought. >> K >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Shweta Mishra >> Sent: 26 June 2018 16:30 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> but bhawani sir, it'll be very difficult for many candidates to get a >> good studying scribe,because these days, students are very busy in >> their own assignments. then how will they be able to give their >> precious time to some one? >> >> On 6/26/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: >>> the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the >>> post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam >>> requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. >>> no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this >>> means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. >>> only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed >>> as scribe. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Shweta Mishra >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines &g
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I would think that if the University approaches you then minimum matriculation and no other restriction except that the writer and candidate must meet 2 days in advance. In case the candidate approaches you then the only restriction is that the writer must be less qualified than the candidate. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole Sent: 27 June 2018 13:35 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Dear All, Very important discussion going on. I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions providing scribe from their side? Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as well. Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what student is dictating. Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for it. Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well which provides scribes to students. I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who was not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. Regards On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>> >>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>> >>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>> because >>>
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Dhananjay Please get in touch with Rosy at NCPEDP. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole Sent: 27 June 2018 13:57 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hello Bhagyashri, blaming examination system and syllabus is not good. requesting consession for persons with disabilities will not be going to solve problem. The reasoning, logic and quantitative aptitude is only matriculation and +2 level. Since students with visual impairment do not take interest in mathematics and allied abstract cources even in secondary schools level throw them in to challenges. Preparing for compitative exams requires dedication. Only filling forms and appearing exam with little preparation cannot qualify exams. I have appeared for IBPS HR scale 1 exam with preparation and qualified in 2011. That may be due to my science background. But I also didn't have mathematics in 8,9th, and 10th standard. I learn engineering mathematics like calculus, differential equation while pursuing my M.Sc. bioinformatics. I think we should not demand consession. Instead we should demand facilities and get ready for challenges. Regards On 6/27/18, Mujeeb Rahman wrote: > Hi > > Good discussion going on.. and would like to add the following points too. > > 1. Scribe should not be overqualified than the post qualification to > avoid malpractices. However, for academical purposes, a seporate guide > line should be framed. > 2 Scribe should be provided by the authorities to make sure the > availability. > 3. . must be permitted to interact with the scribe before the exam to > brief him . > 4. The guideline should be applicable to all the examining authorities > including state PSCs. > As far as the Kerala PSC is concerned, the situation is worse and we a > group of candidates are seeking the legal possibilities to amend the > prevailing rules as its yet to follow the RPWD act 2018. Request > guidance from Kanchan ma'am and others. > On 6/25/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >> because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The >> recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining >> body can provide not less than a matriculate. >> >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >> >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >> original guidelines. >
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Hello Bhagyashri, blaming examination system and syllabus is not good. requesting consession for persons with disabilities will not be going to solve problem. The reasoning, logic and quantitative aptitude is only matriculation and +2 level. Since students with visual impairment do not take interest in mathematics and allied abstract cources even in secondary schools level throw them in to challenges. Preparing for compitative exams requires dedication. Only filling forms and appearing exam with little preparation cannot qualify exams. I have appeared for IBPS HR scale 1 exam with preparation and qualified in 2011. That may be due to my science background. But I also didn't have mathematics in 8,9th, and 10th standard. I learn engineering mathematics like calculus, differential equation while pursuing my M.Sc. bioinformatics. I think we should not demand consession. Instead we should demand facilities and get ready for challenges. Regards On 6/27/18, Mujeeb Rahman wrote: > Hi > > Good discussion going on.. and would like to add the following points too. > > 1. Scribe should not be overqualified than the post qualification to > avoid malpractices. However, for academical purposes, a seporate guide > line should be framed. > 2 Scribe should be provided by the authorities to make sure the > availability. > 3. . must be permitted to interact with the scribe before the exam to > brief him . > 4. The guideline should be applicable to all the examining authorities > including state PSCs. > As far as the Kerala PSC is concerned, the situation is worse and we a > group of candidates are seeking the legal possibilities to amend the > prevailing rules as its yet to follow the RPWD act 2018. Request > guidance from Kanchan ma'am and others. > On 6/25/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard >> what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >> because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This >> hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The >> recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body >> can >> provide not less than a matriculate. >> >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >> >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >> original >> guidelines. >> >> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they >> are >> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should >> not >> be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have >> used >> their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may >> be >> considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. >> >> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less >> in >> qualification than the candidate. >> >> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with >> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification >> for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground >> realities will tell. >> >>
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Dear All, Very important discussion going on. I would like to know what are the rules/guidelines for institutions providing scribe from their side? Being coordinator of disability support services of Pune University I have to provide scribes to students appearing exam in university department and affiliated colleges. Some times we provide a senior person like research associate or teaching assistant who acts as a scribe and superviser as well. Is it allowed? This practice eliminate mal practices and also helpful to students with visual impairment as such persons can understand what student is dictating. Also Many departmental heads or examination centre chief consult to coordinator of disability support service for specific cases such as what type of scribe should be provided to MBA student. Whether the scribe should be from non management non commerce background? I suggest them that the scribe should be from same discipline but 1 year lower qualification. EG if student is appearing second year MCA the scribe should be from First year MCA or lower. Not from social science background. If student is comfortable with other stream, they can go for it. Keeping rational in mind, we manipulate some rules for the convenience of students and institutes. There should be guidelines for institutes as well which provides scribes to students. I remembered that I was given a clurck as my scribe in CSIR NET exam who was not able to understand and read and write several terminologies of science and mathematics. I struggled a lot there. Exam aspirents with visual impairment should not face such issues if scribe is provided by institutes conducting exams. Regards On 6/26/18, Shweta Mishra wrote: > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in qualification >>> than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and meet the scribe two >>> days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India >>> नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard >>> what happened but let me explain a few issues >>> >>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>> >>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>> because >>> no one really implemented the guidelines. >>> >>> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >>> these >>> guidelines were unfair. >>> >>> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >>> >>> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >>> complained >>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >>&g
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I have been giving Banking exams since 4 years. But, could not clear in-spite of all necessary efforts, due to very high cutoff of visually impaired catagory resulting out of scribe misuse. The main reason for scribe misuse is due to the existing patern of most competitive exams. If the patern of exam continues as it is, then it is imposible for a completely visually impaired candidate to clear without scribe interfearence. Even if the scribe guidelines are changed, or the exam is made accessible, the problem is not going to be solved, as the patern will be the same. Firstly, There are some very complicated questions in Quantitative aptitude and reasoning sections, which generally the scribes are not in a position to explain a totally blind candidate. I feel, the solution on this problem is, the patern of competitive exams should be changed. Then only a visually impaired candidate will be able to independently solve the paper. Secondly, Just by making the exam accessible with screen reader won't work, if the patern of questions, pertaining to reasoning and aptitude sections remains the same. Kindly request you to take the above mentioned issues in to consideration before finalising the decission. On 6/25/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard > what happened but let me explain a few issues > > 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > > 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because > no one really implemented the guidelines. > > 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these > guidelines were unfair. > > 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave > them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > > 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > complained > to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > > 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but > could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > > 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > meeting on 20th June. > > 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C > and SSC. > > 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > had > gone to meet the Minister. > > 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on > the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our > comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > > 11. It was quite a hot debate. > > 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > person > to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This > hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. > > 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations > of the Sub-committee were accepted. > > 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the > candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body > can > provide not less than a matriculate. > > 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > > 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the > original > guidelines. > > 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are > not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should > not > be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used > their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be > considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. > > 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less > in > qualification than the candidate. > > 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with > the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification > for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground > realities will tell. > > 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of > tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the > courts. > > 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to > be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of > you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You > are > responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. > > 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We > did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. > However it has
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Hi Good discussion going on.. and would like to add the following points too. 1. Scribe should not be overqualified than the post qualification to avoid malpractices. However, for academical purposes, a seporate guide line should be framed. 2 Scribe should be provided by the authorities to make sure the availability. 3. . must be permitted to interact with the scribe before the exam to brief him . 4. The guideline should be applicable to all the examining authorities including state PSCs. As far as the Kerala PSC is concerned, the situation is worse and we a group of candidates are seeking the legal possibilities to amend the prevailing rules as its yet to follow the RPWD act 2018. Request guidance from Kanchan ma'am and others. On 6/25/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard > what happened but let me explain a few issues > > 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > > 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because > no one really implemented the guidelines. > > 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these > guidelines were unfair. > > 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave > them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > > 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > complained > to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > > 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but > could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > > 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > meeting on 20th June. > > 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C > and SSC. > > 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > had > gone to meet the Minister. > > 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on > the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our > comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > > 11. It was quite a hot debate. > > 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > person > to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This > hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. > > 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations > of the Sub-committee were accepted. > > 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the > candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body > can > provide not less than a matriculate. > > 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > > 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the > original > guidelines. > > 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are > not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should > not > be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used > their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be > considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. > > 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less > in > qualification than the candidate. > > 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with > the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification > for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground > realities will tell. > > 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of > tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the > courts. > > 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to > be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of > you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You > are > responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. > > 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We > did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. > However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a lot of > diplomacy. > > 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional scribes. > > > 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court and > Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. > > 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give your > input on these crucial issues. > > 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to face > a meeting
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dear rajesh sir. I think it would be nice if the laptops are allowed for writing descriptive Exams and the audio device with buttens for MCq papers can make us very confident in taking exams. Thank you On 6/27/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > I support audio player with buttons for MCQ papers. > But, audio files for descriptive papers would change the very nature of exam > and valuation will also not be proper. > > > सादर / With thanks & Regards > राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India > नागपुर Nagpur > > 0712 2806846 > > President > VIBEWA > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > laughter. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Siva Suresh > Sent: 27 June 2018 09:52 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > good suggestion! if this can come visually impaired people can be more > independent in writing Exams and that can avoid mal practices. > > On 6/27/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: >> in my opinion, an audio player should be developed like an EVM >> machine. on which a blind candidate can listen the question and can >> press the appropriate button for the answer. filling of roll numbers >> etc can also be digitised by that way. for descriptive papers, >> submition of audio file should be allowed. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ashish Jha >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:43 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Hi, >> >> I believe that the intension to allow one grade junier candidate as >> scribe is to prevent malpractises and curb the use of professional >> scribes. >> Let us assume a situation. A VI candidate is appearing for Bank PO >> examination or CAT which has graduation as eligibility. Ideally, as >> per proposed guidelines, the scribe should be less than a graduate. >> So, my understanding is that the scribe can be under graduate who is >> studying in first or second year of the graduation. Now, let say that >> the scribe is an IITian studying in 1st or 2nd year or in similar >> premier institutions, considering him/her to be good enough in >> mathematical/reasoning skills. >> So, are we able to prevent the mal practise here with reducing the >> eligibility criteria of the scribe? This is my dout please. >> >> I think a deep thoughts should be given before concluding, so that it >> should not become a real challenge for a deserving candidate in >> appearing examination and giving their best. There are instances, >> specially in remote and small urban areas where deserving candidate >> struggle with getting scribe and adding further limitations may turn >> things more complicated for them. This can further be thought for the >> North Eastern areas where again literacy is not very significant and >> they need to rely on their limited resources. >> Presently, I believe, there are only few institutions like UPSC where >> a candidate can opt for a scribe of the institution itself, if they >> find difficult to manage their own scribe. >> >> I believe that the vigillant system shall be strengthened at very >> first level by the examiner. I can recall, an Provisional IPS was >> caught last year while writing UPSC CS Mains examination while using >> his digital device. So, similar vigilant system shall be there while >> VI writing his/her examination. >> >> Yes, I am in line if laptop is allowed as an alternative solution, but >> the care should be taken about the accessibility of the design of the >> question paper. I think this can go in long run. >> >> >> >> On 6/26/18, Yogesh Chhabra wrote: >>> respected members and kanchan mam, >>> after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and >>> situations which I am unable to see the solutions, 1, according to >>> the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one class below the >>> candidates qualification then suppose if I am a language student like >>> German and I am appearing for my first year exam. At this time who >>> will be my scribe? whom should I take as a scribe for my first year >>> examination? I am asking this because no one can read german or any >>> other language and according to t
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I support audio player with buttons for MCQ papers. But, audio files for descriptive papers would change the very nature of exam and valuation will also not be proper. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Siva Suresh Sent: 27 June 2018 09:52 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines good suggestion! if this can come visually impaired people can be more independent in writing Exams and that can avoid mal practices. On 6/27/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: > in my opinion, an audio player should be developed like an EVM > machine. on which a blind candidate can listen the question and can > press the appropriate button for the answer. filling of roll numbers > etc can also be digitised by that way. for descriptive papers, > submition of audio file should be allowed. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ashish Jha > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:43 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi, > > I believe that the intension to allow one grade junier candidate as > scribe is to prevent malpractises and curb the use of professional > scribes. > Let us assume a situation. A VI candidate is appearing for Bank PO > examination or CAT which has graduation as eligibility. Ideally, as > per proposed guidelines, the scribe should be less than a graduate. > So, my understanding is that the scribe can be under graduate who is > studying in first or second year of the graduation. Now, let say that > the scribe is an IITian studying in 1st or 2nd year or in similar > premier institutions, considering him/her to be good enough in > mathematical/reasoning skills. > So, are we able to prevent the mal practise here with reducing the > eligibility criteria of the scribe? This is my dout please. > > I think a deep thoughts should be given before concluding, so that it > should not become a real challenge for a deserving candidate in > appearing examination and giving their best. There are instances, > specially in remote and small urban areas where deserving candidate > struggle with getting scribe and adding further limitations may turn > things more complicated for them. This can further be thought for the > North Eastern areas where again literacy is not very significant and > they need to rely on their limited resources. > Presently, I believe, there are only few institutions like UPSC where > a candidate can opt for a scribe of the institution itself, if they > find difficult to manage their own scribe. > > I believe that the vigillant system shall be strengthened at very > first level by the examiner. I can recall, an Provisional IPS was > caught last year while writing UPSC CS Mains examination while using > his digital device. So, similar vigilant system shall be there while > VI writing his/her examination. > > Yes, I am in line if laptop is allowed as an alternative solution, but > the care should be taken about the accessibility of the design of the > question paper. I think this can go in long run. > > > > On 6/26/18, Yogesh Chhabra wrote: >> respected members and kanchan mam, >> after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and >> situations which I am unable to see the solutions, 1, according to >> the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one class below the >> candidates qualification then suppose if I am a language student like >> German and I am appearing for my first year exam. At this time who >> will be my scribe? whom should I take as a scribe for my first year >> examination? I am asking this because no one can read german or any >> other language and according to this situation I need to take one >> class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th standard or below >> 12th class student. similarly, there are many courses in JNU and >> other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who will be the scribe >> for such students in their first year course? >> 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one >> of my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, >> but at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are >> also having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take >> 9th standard student to wr
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good suggestion! if this can come visually impaired people can be more independent in writing Exams and that can avoid mal practices. On 6/27/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: > in my opinion, an audio player should be developed like an EVM machine. on > which a blind candidate can listen the question and can press the > appropriate button for the answer. filling of roll numbers etc can also be > digitised by that way. for descriptive papers, submition of audio file > should be allowed. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ashish Jha > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:43 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi, > > I believe that the intension to allow one grade junier candidate as > scribe is to prevent malpractises and curb the use of professional > scribes. > Let us assume a situation. A VI candidate is appearing for Bank PO > examination or CAT which has graduation as eligibility. Ideally, as > per proposed guidelines, the scribe should be less than a graduate. > So, my understanding is that the scribe can be under graduate who is > studying in first or second year of the graduation. Now, let say that > the scribe is an IITian studying in 1st or 2nd year or in similar > premier institutions, considering him/her to be good enough in > mathematical/reasoning skills. > So, are we able to prevent the mal practise here with reducing the > eligibility criteria of the scribe? This is my dout please. > > I think a deep thoughts should be given before concluding, so that it > should not become a real challenge for a deserving candidate in > appearing examination and giving their best. There are instances, > specially in remote and small urban areas where deserving candidate > struggle with getting scribe and adding further limitations may turn > things more complicated for them. This can further be thought for the > North Eastern areas where again literacy is not very significant and > they need to rely on their limited resources. > Presently, I believe, there are only few institutions like UPSC where > a candidate can opt for a scribe of the institution itself, if they > find difficult to manage their own scribe. > > I believe that the vigillant system shall be strengthened at very > first level by the examiner. I can recall, an Provisional IPS was > caught last year while writing UPSC CS Mains examination while using > his digital device. So, similar vigilant system shall be there while > VI writing his/her examination. > > Yes, I am in line if laptop is allowed as an alternative solution, but > the care should be taken about the accessibility of the design of the > question paper. I think this can go in long run. > > > > On 6/26/18, Yogesh Chhabra wrote: >> respected members and kanchan mam, >> after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and >> situations which I am unable to see the solutions, >> 1, according to the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one >> class below the candidates qualification then suppose if I am a >> language student like German and I am appearing for my first year >> exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom should I take as a >> scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this because no one >> can read german or any other language and according to this situation >> I need to take one class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th >> standard or below 12th class student. similarly, there are many >> courses in JNU and other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who >> will be the scribe for such students in their first year course? >> 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one of >> my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, but >> at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are also >> having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take 9th >> standard student to write my math examination. here the situation is >> that the 11th standard math and 9th standard's math is totally >> different and most of the things will be new for the scribe and he >> will find it difficult to read it for me. so in this situation, who >> will be my scribe? >> 3. suppose me and my brother are appearing for the railway examination >> and we both are visually impaired. my qualification is post graduate >> and my brother's qualification is 12th standard and both are eligible >> for this examination. according to the proposed scribe guidelines, I >> can take the scribe who is pursuing post graduation and my brother can >> take the 11th standar
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in my opinion, an audio player should be developed like an EVM machine. on which a blind candidate can listen the question and can press the appropriate button for the answer. filling of roll numbers etc can also be digitised by that way. for descriptive papers, submition of audio file should be allowed. -Original Message- From: Ashish Jha Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:43 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi, I believe that the intension to allow one grade junier candidate as scribe is to prevent malpractises and curb the use of professional scribes. Let us assume a situation. A VI candidate is appearing for Bank PO examination or CAT which has graduation as eligibility. Ideally, as per proposed guidelines, the scribe should be less than a graduate. So, my understanding is that the scribe can be under graduate who is studying in first or second year of the graduation. Now, let say that the scribe is an IITian studying in 1st or 2nd year or in similar premier institutions, considering him/her to be good enough in mathematical/reasoning skills. So, are we able to prevent the mal practise here with reducing the eligibility criteria of the scribe? This is my dout please. I think a deep thoughts should be given before concluding, so that it should not become a real challenge for a deserving candidate in appearing examination and giving their best. There are instances, specially in remote and small urban areas where deserving candidate struggle with getting scribe and adding further limitations may turn things more complicated for them. This can further be thought for the North Eastern areas where again literacy is not very significant and they need to rely on their limited resources. Presently, I believe, there are only few institutions like UPSC where a candidate can opt for a scribe of the institution itself, if they find difficult to manage their own scribe. I believe that the vigillant system shall be strengthened at very first level by the examiner. I can recall, an Provisional IPS was caught last year while writing UPSC CS Mains examination while using his digital device. So, similar vigilant system shall be there while VI writing his/her examination. Yes, I am in line if laptop is allowed as an alternative solution, but the care should be taken about the accessibility of the design of the question paper. I think this can go in long run. On 6/26/18, Yogesh Chhabra wrote: respected members and kanchan mam, after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and situations which I am unable to see the solutions, 1, according to the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one class below the candidates qualification then suppose if I am a language student like German and I am appearing for my first year exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom should I take as a scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this because no one can read german or any other language and according to this situation I need to take one class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th standard or below 12th class student. similarly, there are many courses in JNU and other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who will be the scribe for such students in their first year course? 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one of my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, but at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are also having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take 9th standard student to write my math examination. here the situation is that the 11th standard math and 9th standard's math is totally different and most of the things will be new for the scribe and he will find it difficult to read it for me. so in this situation, who will be my scribe? 3. suppose me and my brother are appearing for the railway examination and we both are visually impaired. my qualification is post graduate and my brother's qualification is 12th standard and both are eligible for this examination. according to the proposed scribe guidelines, I can take the scribe who is pursuing post graduation and my brother can take the 11th standard scribe only. This situation will occur in the SSC 12th standard higher secondary level examination also. so friends, what are the solutions for these situations? On 6/26/18, Siva Suresh wrote: waw! amazing discussion. it was very helpful and people will be greatly benifited if we have a strong guidelines for getting scribes. at the same time we should support the people who are talking on our behalf. I thank Kanchan for your great effort to support every visually impaired friends across india. it was a very helpful discussion for every one. Thank you. Shivasuresh On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities are s
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Hi all, How does the blind candidate teach the scribe how to draw a table to make an account or how a math symbol looks? What about the alignment needed to write equations in organic chemistry? We need to look at the problem functionally before we get to qualifications. As of now, the discussion appears to be considering only the fraud perspective. In addition, what happens if the candidate cannot understand what the scribe is speaking? I have experienced this several years ago. The scribe's pronunciation was poor and I did not have the time to request him to spell each word. I doubt meeting the scribe 2-days before will help because the organizers may need time to get another scribe. By the way, what happens if the organizer supplied scribe falls ill on exam day? I have had this happen but at that time, I was using my own scribe so was able to provide a backup. Yes, a candidate should not have to deal with this but until we get 100% computerization, I guess we have to use scribes. Will organizers have a pull of backup scribes? Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Hi, I believe that the intension to allow one grade junier candidate as scribe is to prevent malpractises and curb the use of professional scribes. Let us assume a situation. A VI candidate is appearing for Bank PO examination or CAT which has graduation as eligibility. Ideally, as per proposed guidelines, the scribe should be less than a graduate. So, my understanding is that the scribe can be under graduate who is studying in first or second year of the graduation. Now, let say that the scribe is an IITian studying in 1st or 2nd year or in similar premier institutions, considering him/her to be good enough in mathematical/reasoning skills. So, are we able to prevent the mal practise here with reducing the eligibility criteria of the scribe? This is my dout please. I think a deep thoughts should be given before concluding, so that it should not become a real challenge for a deserving candidate in appearing examination and giving their best. There are instances, specially in remote and small urban areas where deserving candidate struggle with getting scribe and adding further limitations may turn things more complicated for them. This can further be thought for the North Eastern areas where again literacy is not very significant and they need to rely on their limited resources. Presently, I believe, there are only few institutions like UPSC where a candidate can opt for a scribe of the institution itself, if they find difficult to manage their own scribe. I believe that the vigillant system shall be strengthened at very first level by the examiner. I can recall, an Provisional IPS was caught last year while writing UPSC CS Mains examination while using his digital device. So, similar vigilant system shall be there while VI writing his/her examination. Yes, I am in line if laptop is allowed as an alternative solution, but the care should be taken about the accessibility of the design of the question paper. I think this can go in long run. On 6/26/18, Yogesh Chhabra wrote: > respected members and kanchan mam, > after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and > situations which I am unable to see the solutions, > 1, according to the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one > class below the candidates qualification then suppose if I am a > language student like German and I am appearing for my first year > exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom should I take as a > scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this because no one > can read german or any other language and according to this situation > I need to take one class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th > standard or below 12th class student. similarly, there are many > courses in JNU and other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who > will be the scribe for such students in their first year course? > 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one of > my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, but > at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are also > having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take 9th > standard student to write my math examination. here the situation is > that the 11th standard math and 9th standard's math is totally > different and most of the things will be new for the scribe and he > will find it difficult to read it for me. so in this situation, who > will be my scribe? > 3. suppose me and my brother are appearing for the railway examination > and we both are visually impaired. my qualification is post graduate > and my brother's qualification is 12th standard and both are eligible > for this examination. according to the proposed scribe guidelines, I > can take the scribe who is pursuing post graduation and my brother can > take the 11th standard scribe only. > This situation will occur in the SSC 12th standard higher secondary > level examination also. > > so friends, what are the solutions for these situations? > > On 6/26/18, Siva Suresh wrote: >> waw! amazing discussion. it was very helpful and people will be >> greatly benifited if we have a strong guidelines for getting scribes. >> at the same time we should support the people who are talking on our >> behalf. I thank Kanchan for your great effort to support every >> visually impaired friends across india. it was a very helpful >> discussion for every one. >> >> Thank you. Shivasuresh >> >> >> On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities are >>> saying that they will provide and we don’t have to worry. >>> All my effort will go to nought. >>> K >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessi
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On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Very interesting analysis. Please explain in which exam this kind of > situation will occur. > Also is it not fair to allow a Post graduate only a 12th Standard scribe? > Is it not likely that the post graduate will know more than the scribe in > this case. > Is the scribe's qualification important in comparison to that of the > candidate? > This is only a debate and I do want to hear peoples views. > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: 26 June 2018 13:51 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for > the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both > candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be > injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate > will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>> >>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>> >>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>> because >>> no one really implemented the guidelines. >>> >>> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >>> these >>> guidelines were unfair. >>> >>> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >>> >>> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >>> complained >>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >>> >>> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >>> but >>> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >>> >>> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >>> meeting on 20th June. >>> >>> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >>> C >>> and SSC. >>> >>> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >>> had >>> gone to meet the Minister. >>> >>> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >>> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >>> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >>> >>> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >>> >>&
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respected members and kanchan mam, after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and situations which I am unable to see the solutions, 1, according to the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one class below the candidates qualification then suppose if I am a language student like German and I am appearing for my first year exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom should I take as a scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this because no one can read german or any other language and according to this situation I need to take one class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th standard or below 12th class student. similarly, there are many courses in JNU and other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who will be the scribe for such students in their first year course? 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one of my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, but at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are also having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take 9th standard student to write my math examination. here the situation is that the 11th standard math and 9th standard's math is totally different and most of the things will be new for the scribe and he will find it difficult to read it for me. so in this situation, who will be my scribe? 3. suppose me and my brother are appearing for the railway examination and we both are visually impaired. my qualification is post graduate and my brother's qualification is 12th standard and both are eligible for this examination. according to the proposed scribe guidelines, I can take the scribe who is pursuing post graduation and my brother can take the 11th standard scribe only. This situation will occur in the SSC 12th standard higher secondary level examination also. so friends, what are the solutions for these situations? On 6/26/18, Siva Suresh wrote: > waw! amazing discussion. it was very helpful and people will be > greatly benifited if we have a strong guidelines for getting scribes. > at the same time we should support the people who are talking on our > behalf. I thank Kanchan for your great effort to support every > visually impaired friends across india. it was a very helpful > discussion for every one. > > Thank you. Shivasuresh > > > On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities are >> saying that they will provide and we don’t have to worry. >> All my effort will go to nought. >> K >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Shweta Mishra >> Sent: 26 June 2018 16:30 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> but bhawani sir, it'll be very difficult for many candidates to get a good >> studying scribe,because these days, students are very busy in their own >> assignments. then how will they be able to give their precious time to >> some >> one? >> >> On 6/26/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: >>> the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the >>> post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam >>> requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. >>> no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this >>> means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. >>> only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as >>> scribe. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Shweta Mishra >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> right Kanchan mam. >>> but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate >>> scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to >>> bring graduate scribe. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>>> No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. >>>> So lets go with the clerk example. >>>> >>>> There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. >>>> The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get >>>> a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds >>>> unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. >>>> Kanchan >>>> >&
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Just would like to point out that the caliber of a Ph.D is definitely higher than a 12th passed. Insisting on the Ph.D to use a 11th passed scribe might be a disservice to him. A point to ponder! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:44 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this case. I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned it for illustration purpose. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > past I have always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. &
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waw! amazing discussion. it was very helpful and people will be greatly benifited if we have a strong guidelines for getting scribes. at the same time we should support the people who are talking on our behalf. I thank Kanchan for your great effort to support every visually impaired friends across india. it was a very helpful discussion for every one. Thank you. Shivasuresh On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities are > saying that they will provide and we don’t have to worry. > All my effort will go to nought. > K > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: 26 June 2018 16:30 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > but bhawani sir, it'll be very difficult for many candidates to get a good > studying scribe,because these days, students are very busy in their own > assignments. then how will they be able to give their precious time to some > one? > > On 6/26/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: >> the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the >> post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam >> requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. >> no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this >> means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. >> only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as >> scribe. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Shweta Mishra >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> right Kanchan mam. >> but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate >> scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to >> bring graduate scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. >>> So lets go with the clerk example. >>> >>> There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. >>> The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get >>> a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds >>> unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. >>> Kanchan >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kotian, H P >>> Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Hi >>> If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a >>> clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 >>> candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification >>> to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the >>> candidate. >>> Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in >>> this case. >>> >>> I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. >>> Mentioned it for illustration purpose. >>> >>> Harish. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Shweta Mishra >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> hi friends! >>> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >>> different qualification. >>> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >>> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >>> criteria for both candidates? >>> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't >>> it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth >>> passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed >>> scribe. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >>>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then?
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Bhiwani and Shweta please don’t forget that there are many exams and there are many courses of study. K -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 26 June 2018 16:11 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as scribe. -Original Message- From: Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines right Kanchan mam. but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to bring graduate scribe. On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. > So lets go with the clerk example. > > There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. > The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get > a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds > unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kotian, H P > Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a > clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 > candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to > consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. > Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in > this case. > > I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. > Mentioned it for illustration purpose. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is > appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe > criteria for both candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it > be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed > candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry
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Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities are saying that they will provide and we don’t have to worry. All my effort will go to nought. K -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: 26 June 2018 16:30 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines but bhawani sir, it'll be very difficult for many candidates to get a good studying scribe,because these days, students are very busy in their own assignments. then how will they be able to give their precious time to some one? On 6/26/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: > the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the > post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam > requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. > no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this > means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. > only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as scribe. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > right Kanchan mam. > but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate > scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to > bring graduate scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. >> So lets go with the clerk example. >> >> There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. >> The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get >> a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds >> unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. >> Kanchan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kotian, H P >> Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Hi >> If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a >> clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 >> candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification >> to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. >> Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in >> this case. >> >> I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. >> Mentioned it for illustration purpose. >> >> Harish. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Shweta Mishra >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >> criteria for both candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't >> it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth >> passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed >> scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Congrats! >>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>> >>>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>>> >>>> >>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>>> भारतीय रिजर्व
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but bhawani sir, it'll be very difficult for many candidates to get a good studying scribe,because these days, students are very busy in their own assignments. then how will they be able to give their precious time to some one? On 6/26/18, bhawani shankar verma wrote: > the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the post > requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam requires > minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. no matter the > education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this means a PHD qualified > candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. only the regular students > or studying candidates should be allowed as scribe. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > right Kanchan mam. > but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate > scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to > bring graduate scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. >> So lets go with the clerk example. >> >> There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. >> The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get a >> scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds unfair >> but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. >> Kanchan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Kotian, H P >> Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Hi >> If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk >> for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a >> post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job >> is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. >> Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this >> case. >> >> I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned >> it >> for illustration purpose. >> >> Harish. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Shweta Mishra >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> hi friends! >> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >> different qualification. >> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing >> for >> the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both >> candidates? >> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be >> injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed >> candidate >> will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. >> >> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Congrats! >>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>> >>>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>>> >>>> >>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>>> >>>> 0712 2806846 >>>> >>>> President >>>> VIBEWA >>>> Co-Moderator >>>> VIB-India >>>> >>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>>> laughter. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: AccessIndia [ma
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the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as scribe. -Original Message- From: Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines right Kanchan mam. but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to bring graduate scribe. On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. So lets go with the clerk example. There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this case. I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned it for illustration purpose. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the past I have always looked for graduates. On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Congrats! Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard what happened but let me explain a few issues 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because no one really implemented the guidelines. 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these guidelines were unfair. 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers complained to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this meeting on 20th June. 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comm
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right Kanchan mam. but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to bring graduate scribe. On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. > So lets go with the clerk example. > > There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. > The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get a > scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds unfair > but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Kotian, H P > Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi > If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk > for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a > post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job > is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. > Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this > case. > > I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned it > for illustration purpose. > > Harish. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for > the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both > candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be > injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate > will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: >> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >> past I have always looked for graduates. >> >> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Congrats! >>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>> >>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>> >>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>> >>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>> >>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>> because >>> no one really implemented the guidelines. >>> >>> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >>> these >>> guidelines were unfair. >>> >>> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >>> >>> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >>> complained >>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and
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No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. So lets go with the clerk example. There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Hi If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this case. I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned it for illustration purpose. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > past I have always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on &
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Please help!. Send me the details of the Ernakulam and Bombay High Court cases. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 26 June 2018 10:28 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Congrats! Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard what happened but let me explain a few issues 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because no one really implemented the guidelines. 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these guidelines were unfair. 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers complained to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this meeting on 20th June. 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C and SSC. 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary had gone to meet the Minister. 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. 11. It was quite a hot debate. 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same person to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations of the Sub-committee were accepted. 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body can provide not less than a matriculate. 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the original guidelines. 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less in qualification than the candidate. 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground realities will tell. 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the courts. 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a lot of diplomacy. 23. What will let us down
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Hi If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate. Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this case. I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned it for illustration purpose. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > past I have always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative >> down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14.
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hi canchan mam! this kind of situation will occur. in all the exam where the minimum eligibility criteria for the candidate is twelfth passed or less. On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Please continue current practises. When the guidelines change you will be > informed. > Status quo as of today. > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Lyngdoh > Sent: 26 June 2018 13:12 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean what > qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the past I have > always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This >> hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining >> body can provide not less than a matriculate. >> >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >> >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >> original guidelines. >> >> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they >> are >> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I howe
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Though i could not think of many such situation where a scenario presented will happen. I also agree to the point that qualification of a scribe, in an ideal scenario, should be a concern but can there be alternative such as qualification of scribe determined by the minimum qualifucation for the exam/post like if it is graduate that scribe should not be graduate even though person taking the exam is a PhD Just a thought Regards Amit Jain On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 14:08 Kanchan Pamnani, wrote: > Very interesting analysis. Please explain in which exam this kind of > situation will occur. > Also is it not fair to allow a Post graduate only a 12th Standard scribe? > Is it not likely that the post graduate will know more than the scribe in > this case. > Is the scribe's qualification important in comparison to that of the > candidate? > This is only a debate and I do want to hear peoples views. > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Shweta Mishra > Sent: 26 June 2018 13:51 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > hi friends! > it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with > different qualification. > for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing > for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both > candidates? > if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be > injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate > will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. > > On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > > past I have always looked for graduates. > > > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > >> Congrats! > >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in > >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and > >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. > >> > >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. > >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. > >> > >> > >> सादर / With thanks & Regards > >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur > >> > >> 0712 2806846 > >> > >> President > >> VIBEWA > >> Co-Moderator > >> VIB-India > >> > >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > >> laughter. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 > >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > >> concerning the disabled.' > >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > >> > >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already > >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues > >> > >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > >> > >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem > because > >> no one really implemented the guidelines. > >> > >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that > >> these > >> guidelines were unfair. > >> > >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines > gave > >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > >> > >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > >> complained > >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > >> > >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times > >> but > >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > >> > >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > >> meeting on 20th June. > >> > >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U > PS &g
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Please continue current practises. When the guidelines change you will be informed. Status quo as of today. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Lyngdoh Sent: 26 June 2018 13:12 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the past I have always looked for graduates. On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Congrats! > Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in > qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and > meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. > > At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. > Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. > > > सादर / With thanks & Regards > राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur > > 0712 2806846 > > President > VIBEWA > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > laughter. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already > heard what happened but let me explain a few issues > > 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > > 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because > no one really implemented the guidelines. > > 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these > guidelines were unfair. > > 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave > them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > > 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > complained > to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > > 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but > could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > > 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > meeting on 20th June. > > 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C > and SSC. > > 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > had > gone to meet the Minister. > > 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on > the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our > comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > > 11. It was quite a hot debate. > > 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > person > to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This > hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. > > 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations > of the Sub-committee were accepted. > > 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the > candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining > body can provide not less than a matriculate. > > 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > > 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the > original guidelines. > > 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are > not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this > should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this > list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after > explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely attributable > to the subcommittee. > > 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less > in > qualification than the candidate. > > 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with > the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational > qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too > bad but ground realiti
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Very interesting analysis. Please explain in which exam this kind of situation will occur. Also is it not fair to allow a Post graduate only a 12th Standard scribe? Is it not likely that the post graduate will know more than the scribe in this case. Is the scribe's qualification important in comparison to that of the candidate? This is only a debate and I do want to hear peoples views. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: 26 June 2018 13:51 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > past I have always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative >> down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first rig
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hi friends! it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with different qualification. for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both candidates? if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe. On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh wrote: > Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean > what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the > past I have always looked for graduates. > > On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Congrats! >> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in qualification >> than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and meet the scribe two >> days in advance is a superb victory. >> >> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India >> नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >> >> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard >> what happened but let me explain a few issues >> >> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of >> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >> >> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because >> no one really implemented the guidelines. >> >> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that >> these >> guidelines were unfair. >> >> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave >> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. >> >> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >> complained >> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >> >> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times >> but >> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >> >> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this >> meeting on 20th June. >> >> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS >> C >> and SSC. >> >> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary >> had >> gone to meet the Minister. >> >> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on >> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our >> comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. >> >> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >> >> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same >> person >> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This >> hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. >> >> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations >> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >> >> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the >> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body >> can >> provide not less than a matriculate. >> >> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >> >> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our >> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >> original >> guidelines. >> >> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they >> are >> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should >> not >> be in the guidelines. I know atle
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Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the past I have always looked for graduates. On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Congrats! > Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in qualification > than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and meet the scribe two > days in advance is a superb victory. > > At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. > Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. > > > सादर / With thanks & Regards > राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India > नागपुर Nagpur > > 0712 2806846 > > President > VIBEWA > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > laughter. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard > what happened but let me explain a few issues > > 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > > 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because > no one really implemented the guidelines. > > 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these > guidelines were unfair. > > 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave > them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > > 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > complained > to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > > 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but > could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > > 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > meeting on 20th June. > > 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C > and SSC. > > 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > had > gone to meet the Minister. > > 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on > the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our > comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > > 11. It was quite a hot debate. > > 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > person > to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This > hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. > > 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations > of the Sub-committee were accepted. > > 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the > candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body can > provide not less than a matriculate. > > 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > > 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the original > guidelines. > > 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are > not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should not > be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used > their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be > considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. > > 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less > in > qualification than the candidate. > > 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with > the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification > for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground > realities will tell. > > 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of > tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the > courts. > > 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to > be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of > you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care
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Congrats! Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard what happened but let me explain a few issues 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because no one really implemented the guidelines. 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these guidelines were unfair. 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers complained to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this meeting on 20th June. 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C and SSC. 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary had gone to meet the Minister. 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. 11. It was quite a hot debate. 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same person to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations of the Sub-committee were accepted. 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body can provide not less than a matriculate. 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the original guidelines. 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less in qualification than the candidate. 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground realities will tell. 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the courts. 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a lot of diplomacy. 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional scribes. 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court and Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give your input on these crucial issues. 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to face a meetingwher
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I would just like to say, Thank you. Not just for doing all that you have done and are doing,but for keeping us in the loop with your concise report. As for cheating and coatched writers (scribes) I guess there will be cheating no matter where you go or what you do,but really are issues made out of when blind individuals end up with bad writers? I know its not the right thing to do and so on, but alas. People will be people. and 26. none of my people suffer because of bad scribes. I know,right? been there, experienced that. On 25 June 2018 at 16:17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard > what happened but let me explain a few issues > > 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of > scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and > definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. > > 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because > no one really implemented the guidelines. > > 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these > guidelines were unfair. > > 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave > them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. > > 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers > complained > to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. > > 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but > could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. > > 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this > meeting on 20th June. > > 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C > and SSC. > > 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary > had > gone to meet the Minister. > > 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on > the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our > comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. > > 11. It was quite a hot debate. > > 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same > person > to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This > hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. > > 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations > of the Sub-committee were accepted. > > 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the > candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body > can > provide not less than a matriculate. > > 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. > > 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our > committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the > original > guidelines. > > 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are > not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should > not > be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used > their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be > considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. > > 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less > in > qualification than the candidate. > > 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with > the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification > for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground > realities will tell. > > 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of > tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the > courts. > > 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to > be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of > you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You > are > responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. > > 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We > did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. > However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a lot of > diplomacy. > > 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional scribes. > > > 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court and > Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. > > 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give your > input on these crucial issues. > > 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to face > a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. I further wish that > none of my people suffer because of bad scribes. > > Kanchan > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AV
[AI] Scribe guidelines
Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already heard what happened but let me explain a few issues 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem because no one really implemented the guidelines. 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that these guidelines were unfair. 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines gave them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers. 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers complained to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times but could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this meeting on 20th June. 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U PS C and SSC. 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary had gone to meet the Minister. 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion on the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting. 11. It was quite a hot debate. 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same person to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative down. 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The recommendations of the Sub-committee were accepted. 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of the candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining body can provide not less than a matriculate. 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the original guidelines. 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they are not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely attributable to the subcommittee. 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be less in qualification than the candidate. 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only with the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too bad but ground realities will tell. 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups of tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to the courts. 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going to be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the argument about supervision. 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people. We did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't. However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a lot of diplomacy. 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional scribes. 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court and Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give your input on these crucial issues. 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to face a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. I further wish that none of my people suffer because of bad scribes. Kanchan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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The recommendations are severely problematic. One level below has to have exceptions for let’s say a 11th class science or commerce kid, who cannot expect that 10th class kid will be able to write technical stuff. The restriction on not being able to bring own scribe takes away the entire things from our hands for which we fought so hard. Special locations for exams with assistive devices is flaud. Someone remind them that they fall fowl of RPWD if they don’t make their exams accessible. Counter could be that exams don’t fall in services, and we need to draw linkage to education / employment. All the best! If this goes through, then... screwed. Sent from my iPhone > On 21-Jun-2018, at 9:51 AM, Krishna Bodawala > wrote: > > on this issue i to am facing a problem regarding SBI PO Prilim Exam ? > Can any1 tell me guide lines For a scribe in a SBI PO Prilim Exam ? > >> On 6/19/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> >> >> The problem is manifold- >> 1. These guidelines are not restricted to UPSE. We have fought so hard to >> ensure that scribes will be brought by the candidates and not by the >> Examining Authority in the first place. Why has the sub-committee made us >> surrender? Tomorrows fight. >> -Original Message- >> >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf >> Of Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >> Sent: 19 June 2018 15:22 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] scribe guidelines >> >> As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and the >> response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's claim to be >> lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for differently abled >> is simply unbelievable and they can always approach the Central gov for >> additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not even think about >> implementing these points without any directive from the court. It's the >> time that we make them realize that simple zoom text question papers are >> hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of diversed population of the >> differently abled candidates. Vetri. >> >>> On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> What I understand is that: >>> 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. >>> 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they >>> cannot, candidates will bring their own junior scribe. >>> >>> First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. >>> We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. >>> Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether >>> own or needs to be provided. >>> Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior >>> and not one degree or course junior. >>> >>> Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. >>> Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be >>> mandated wherever exam is online. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines >>> >>> Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? >>> >>> K >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman
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In my view there should be just some minimum eligibility to the scribe. The scribe being 1 level below the candidate may not work in certain situations. For example, the minimum qualification to write UPSC is an undergrad degree. So If someone appears for his/her exam immediately after his undergrad, then the scribe will be expected to be 1 level below undergrad degree which is literally the higher secondary level. So considering this, UPSC or in fact the entire government agency should fix a minimum qualification to be a scribe. On 21/06/2018, Krishna Bodawala wrote: > on this issue i to am facing a problem regarding SBI PO Prilim Exam ? > Can any1 tell me guide lines For a scribe in a SBI PO Prilim Exam ? > > On 6/19/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> >> >> The problem is manifold- >> 1. These guidelines are not restricted to UPSE. We have fought so hard to >> ensure that scribes will be brought by the candidates and not by the >> Examining Authority in the first place. Why has the sub-committee made us >> surrender? Tomorrows fight. >> -Original Message- >> >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >> Sent: 19 June 2018 15:22 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] scribe guidelines >> >> As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and the >> response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's claim to >> be >> lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for differently >> abled >> is simply unbelievable and they can always approach the Central gov for >> additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not even think about >> implementing these points without any directive from the court. It's the >> time that we make them realize that simple zoom text question papers are >> hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of diversed population of the >> differently abled candidates. Vetri. >> >> On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> What I understand is that: >>> 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. >>> 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they >>> cannot, candidates will bring their own junior scribe. >>> >>> First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. >>> We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. >>> Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether >>> own or needs to be provided. >>> Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior >>> and not one degree or course junior. >>> >>> Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. >>> Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be >>> mandated wherever exam is online. >>> >>> >>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>> >>> 0712 2806846 >>> >>> President >>> VIBEWA >>> Co-Moderator >>> VIB-India >>> >>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>> laughter. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines >>> >>> Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? >>> >>> K >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >>> .in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, refle
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on this issue i to am facing a problem regarding SBI PO Prilim Exam ? Can any1 tell me guide lines For a scribe in a SBI PO Prilim Exam ? On 6/19/18, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > > The problem is manifold- > 1. These guidelines are not restricted to UPSE. We have fought so hard to > ensure that scribes will be brought by the candidates and not by the > Examining Authority in the first place. Why has the sub-committee made us > surrender? Tomorrows fight. > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan > Sent: 19 June 2018 15:22 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] scribe guidelines > > As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and the > response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's claim to be > lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for differently abled > is simply unbelievable and they can always approach the Central gov for > additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not even think about > implementing these points without any directive from the court. It's the > time that we make them realize that simple zoom text question papers are > hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of diversed population of the > differently abled candidates. Vetri. > > On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> What I understand is that: >> 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. >> 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they >> cannot, candidates will bring their own junior scribe. >> >> First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. >> We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. >> Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether >> own or needs to be provided. >> Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior >> and not one degree or course junior. >> >> Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. >> Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be >> mandated wherever exam is online. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines >> >> Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? >> >> K >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> .in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> >> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes >> calls asking for personal information such as your bank account >> details, passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. >> Please do not respond in any manner to such offers, however official >> or attractive they may look. >> >> >> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom >> they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any >> dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the >> information contained in this e-ma
Re: [AI] scribe guidelines
The problem is manifold- 1. These guidelines are not restricted to UPSE. We have fought so hard to ensure that scribes will be brought by the candidates and not by the Examining Authority in the first place. Why has the sub-committee made us surrender? Tomorrows fight. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan Sent: 19 June 2018 15:22 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] scribe guidelines As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and the response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's claim to be lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for differently abled is simply unbelievable and they can always approach the Central gov for additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not even think about implementing these points without any directive from the court. It's the time that we make them realize that simple zoom text question papers are hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of diversed population of the differently abled candidates. Vetri. On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > What I understand is that: > 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. > 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they > cannot, candidates will bring their own junior scribe. > > First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. > We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. > Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether > own or needs to be provided. > Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior > and not one degree or course junior. > > Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. > Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be > mandated wherever exam is online. > > > सादर / With thanks & Regards > राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur > > 0712 2806846 > > President > VIBEWA > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > laughter. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines > > Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? > > K > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > .in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails sent through this mailing list.. > > > > Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes > calls asking for personal information such as your bank account > details, passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. > Please do not respond in any manner to such offers, however official > or attractive they may look. > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any > dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the > information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it > are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, > please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and > permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient > should check this email and any attachments for the presence of > viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused > by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindi
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The framed guidelines are getting sabotaged. K -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of sazid shaik Sent: 19 June 2018 17:02 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines dear experts, Is this guidelines had framed? Is this only for UPSC/ thanks and regards, sazid On 6/19/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Hi > My comments are under: > > 3. IV. It is welcome that the commission agreed to meet the scribe a > day in advance. However, if the candidate is not happy with any of the > scribes, what is the mechanism to solve the problem. There is no time > at all for the commission to find another set of scribes. > In terms of solution, either the days of meeting the scribe should be > increased or some flexibility should be given so that the candidate > can propose his own scribe giving the examination conductor to satisfy > the suitability of the scribe. Moreover, mere meeting will be of > little use until they attempt some dummy questions online or offline > as the case may be. It may be reasonable restriction if the candidate > and scribe are restricted to share their contact details. > > VII. It is unclear if alternate mode of giving exams is permitted. The > commission should be open to consider this request as a proactive measure. > VIII. Unclear if the commission permits blind person to give the exams > on the computer. There seems dependency on the government to provide > the facility. Again we should press for it. > > Harish > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kotian, H P > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 3:01 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > > All > Kanchan's mail did not get on the list. Hence, I am copying it below. > Regards > Harish Kotian > > Quoting > > > From: Kanchan Pamnani [mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com] > Sent: 18 June 2018 10:49 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: Scribe guidelines > > Hi Friends, > You are all aware that U P S E had objected to some of the clauses of > the > 2013 Guidelines. So a committee was set up of which I am a member. In the > last meeting it was decided to set up a subcommittee which has now sent > its recommendations. The U P S E has commented on the recommendations. > The meeting is on 20th June. > Kindly go through the statement below and let me have your feedback by > tomorrow evening. > Kanchan > Statement indicating recommendations of the Sub-Committee , UPSC's > comments, and recommendations of the Department thereon > > Para No. Guidelines dated 26.02.2013 Revision > recommended by the Sub-Committee UPSC's comments w.r.t. the > Sub-Committee's recommendations Department's comments > > III > The facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant should be allowed to any > person who has disability of 40% or more if so desired by the person. > The facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant should be allowed to > persons with benchmark disabilities (i.e. with disability of 40% or > more) and has physical limitation to write including that of speed. In > case of persons with benchmark disabilities in the category of > blindness, locomotor disability (both arm affected-BA) and cerebral > palsy, the facility of scribe/reader/lab assistant shall be given, if so desired by the person. > In case of other category of persons with benchmark disabilities, the > provision of scribe/reader/lab assistant can be allowed on production > of a certificate to the effect that the person concerned has physical > limitation to write, and scribe is essential to write examination on > his behalf, from the specialist of a Government health care > institution of the relevant stream of disability as per proforma at Annexure I. > The Commission agrees with the proposal of allowing the facility of > scribe to the candidates falling under the categories of blindness, > locomotor disability (both arm affected - BA) and cerebral palsy, if > so desired by such candidates. > > As regards allowing the facility of scribe/reader/ lab assistant in > case of other category of persons with disabilities on production of > the certificate, the Commission agrees with the recommendation > provided such certificate on physical limitation to write is issued to > such candidates by the CMO of Government Hospital of respective District only. > > It is further stated that since the Commission does not ask for any > certificate
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There is only one point I would like to emphasise. The blind candidate must be given the definite opportunity to write exams using computers. This should not be dependent on Govt. facilities being available. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 3:01 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines All Kanchan's mail did not get on the list. Hence, I am copying it below. Regards Harish Kotian Quoting From: Kanchan Pamnani [mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 June 2018 10:49 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Scribe guidelines Hi Friends, You are all aware that U P S E had objected to some of the clauses of the 2013 Guidelines. So a committee was set up of which I am a member. In the last meeting it was decided to set up a subcommittee which has now sent its recommendations. The U P S E has commented on the recommendations. The meeting is on 20th June. Kindly go through the statement below and let me have your feedback by tomorrow evening. Kanchan Statement indicating recommendations of the Sub-Committee , UPSC's comments, and recommendations of the Department thereon Para No. Guidelines dated 26.02.2013 Revision recommended by the Sub-Committee UPSC's comments w.r.t. the Sub-Committee's recommendations Department's comments III The facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant should be allowed to any person who has disability of 40% or more if so desired by the person. The facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant should be allowed to persons with benchmark disabilities (i.e. with disability of 40% or more) and has physical limitation to write including that of speed. In case of persons with benchmark disabilities in the category of blindness, locomotor disability (both arm affected-BA) and cerebral palsy, the facility of scribe/reader/lab assistant shall be given, if so desired by the person. In case of other category of persons with benchmark disabilities, the provision of scribe/reader/lab assistant can be allowed on production of a certificate to the effect that the person concerned has physical limitation to write, and scribe is essential to write examination on his behalf, from the specialist of a Government health care institution of the relevant stream of disability as per proforma at Annexure I. The Commission agrees with the proposal of allowing the facility of scribe to the candidates falling under the categories of blindness, locomotor disability (both arm affected - BA) and cerebral palsy, if so desired by such candidates. As regards allowing the facility of scribe/reader/ lab assistant in case of other category of persons with disabilities on production of the certificate, the Commission agrees with the recommendation provided such certificate on physical limitation to write is issued to such candidates by the CMO of Government Hospital of respective District only. It is further stated that since the Commission does not ask for any certificate including PwBD at initial application stage, the Commission would allow such candidates of other benchmark disabilities the facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant for appearing at the First Stage (Preliminary/Stage-I) in a Multi-Stage Examination on the basis of undertaking from them. However, such certificates will be checked at the time of Second Stage (Main/Stage-II) of the Examination. UPSC mostly agrees on the recommendation of the Sub-Committee. However, they have suggested that the certificate, required to be produced by the person with other category of disability than blindness, locomotor disability & cerebral palsy for availing the facility of scribe, should be issued by CMO instead of specialist of a Government health care institution. Department may agree to it. IVThe candidate should have the discretion of opting for his own scribe/reader/lab assistant or request the Examination Body for the same. The examining body may also identify the scribe/reader/lab assistant to make panels at the District/Division/State level as per the requirements of the examination. In such instances the candidates should be allowed to meet the scribe a day before the examination so that the candidates get a chance to check and verify whether the scribe is suitable or not. The examining body may identify the scribe/reader/lab assistant (language/stream wise) to develop a pool at the District/Division/State level as per the requirements of the examination. In such instances the candidates should be allowed to meet the scribe a day before the examination so that the candidates get a chance to check and verify whether the scribe is suitable or not. In case the examining body is not in a position to make available the scribe/reader/lab assistant from its side, the can
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
dear experts, Is this guidelines had framed? Is this only for UPSC/ thanks and regards, sazid On 6/19/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Hi > My comments are under: > > 3. IV. It is welcome that the commission agreed to meet the scribe a day in > advance. However, if the candidate is not happy with any of the scribes, > what is the mechanism to solve the problem. There is no time at all for the > commission to find another set of scribes. > In terms of solution, either the days of meeting the scribe should be > increased or some flexibility should be given so that the candidate can > propose his own scribe giving the examination conductor to satisfy the > suitability of the scribe. Moreover, mere meeting will be of little use > until they attempt some dummy questions online or offline as the case may > be. It may be reasonable restriction if the candidate and scribe are > restricted to share their contact details. > > VII. It is unclear if alternate mode of giving exams is permitted. The > commission should be open to consider this request as a proactive measure. > VIII. Unclear if the commission permits blind person to give the exams on > the computer. There seems dependency on the government to provide the > facility. Again we should press for it. > > Harish > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Kotian, H P > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 3:01 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > > All > Kanchan's mail did not get on the list. Hence, I am copying it below. > Regards > Harish Kotian > > Quoting > > > From: Kanchan Pamnani [mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com] > Sent: 18 June 2018 10:49 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Scribe guidelines > > Hi Friends, > You are all aware that U P S E had objected to some of the clauses of the > 2013 Guidelines. So a committee was set up of which I am a member. In the > last meeting it was decided to set up a subcommittee which has now sent > its recommendations. The U P S E has commented on the recommendations. > The meeting is on 20th June. > Kindly go through the statement below and let me have your feedback by > tomorrow evening. > Kanchan > Statement indicating recommendations of the Sub-Committee , UPSC's comments, > and recommendations of the Department thereon > > Para No. Guidelines dated 26.02.2013 Revision > recommended by the Sub-Committee UPSC's comments w.r.t. the Sub-Committee's > recommendations Department's comments > > III > The facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant should be allowed to any person > who has disability of 40% or more if so desired by the person. > The facility of Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant should be allowed to persons > with benchmark disabilities (i.e. with disability of 40% or more) and has > physical limitation to write including that of speed. In case of persons > with benchmark disabilities in the category of blindness, locomotor > disability (both arm affected-BA) and cerebral palsy, the facility of > scribe/reader/lab assistant shall be given, if so desired by the person. > In case of other category of persons with benchmark disabilities, the > provision of scribe/reader/lab assistant can be allowed on production of a > certificate to the effect that the person concerned has physical limitation > to write, and scribe is essential to write examination on his behalf, from > the specialist of a Government health care institution of the relevant > stream of disability as per proforma at Annexure I. > The Commission agrees with the proposal of allowing the facility of scribe > to the candidates falling under the categories of blindness, locomotor > disability (both arm affected - BA) and cerebral palsy, if so desired by > such candidates. > > As regards allowing the facility of scribe/reader/ lab assistant in case of > other category of persons with disabilities on production of the > certificate, the Commission agrees with the recommendation provided such > certificate on physical limitation to write is issued to such candidates by > the CMO of Government Hospital of respective District only. > > It is further stated that since the Commission does not ask for any > certificate including PwBD at initial application stage, the Commission > would allow such candidates of other benchmark disabilities the facility of > Scribe/Reader/Lab Assistant for appearing at the First Stage > (Preliminary/Stage-I) in a Multi-Stage Examination on the basis of > undertaking from them. However, such certificates will be checked at the >
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Does anyone want the statement as an attachment. Please email me and I will send it. I still haven’t got my ticket and .. Its crazy. K -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shweta Mishra Sent: 19 June 2018 15:30 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] scribe guidelines hi experts! please explain, should the scribe be one grade junior to the candidate? or scribe should be junior to the minimum eligibility criteria? On 6/19/18, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: > As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and > the response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's > claim to be lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for > differently abled is simply unbelievable and they can always approach > the Central gov for additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not > even think about implementing these points without any directive from > the court. It's the time that we make them realize that simple zoom > text question papers are hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of > diversed population of the differently abled candidates. Vetri. > > On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> What I understand is that: >> 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. >> 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they >> cannot, candidates will bring their own junior scribe. >> >> First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. >> We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. >> Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether >> own or needs to be provided. >> Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior >> and not one degree or course junior. >> >> Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. >> Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be >> mandated wherever exam is online. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines >> >> Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? >> >> K >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or >> g.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> >> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes >> calls asking for personal information such as your bank account >> details, passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. >> Please do not respond in any manner to such offers, however official >> or attractive they may look. >> >> >> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom >> they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any >> dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the >> information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it >> are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, >> please notify us by return e-mail or tele
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hi experts! please explain, should the scribe be one grade junior to the candidate? or scribe should be junior to the minimum eligibility criteria? On 6/19/18, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: > As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and > the response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's > claim to be lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for > differently abled is simply unbelievable and they can always approach > the Central gov for additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not > even think about implementing these points without any directive from > the court. It's the time that we make them realize that simple zoom > text question papers are hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of > diversed population of the differently abled candidates. Vetri. > > On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> What I understand is that: >> 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. >> 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they cannot, >> candidates will bring their own junior scribe. >> >> First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. >> We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. >> Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether own or >> needs to be provided. >> Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior and >> not >> one degree or course junior. >> >> Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. >> Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be mandated >> wherever exam is online. >> >> >> सादर / With thanks & Regards >> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India >> नागपुर Nagpur >> >> 0712 2806846 >> >> President >> VIBEWA >> Co-Moderator >> VIB-India >> >> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >> laughter. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled.' >> Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines >> >> Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? >> >> K >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> >> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes calls >> asking for personal information such as your bank account details, >> passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not >> respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they >> may look. >> >> >> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >> addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, >> review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in >> this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If >> you >> have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or >> telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any >> attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for >> the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability >> for >> any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.c
Re: [AI] scribe guidelines
As I understand, both the recommendation from the sub-committee and the response from UPSC are stated here for our understanding. UPSC's claim to be lacking resources in providing alternate writing mode for differently abled is simply unbelievable and they can always approach the Central gov for additional resources. So in my view, UPSC will not even think about implementing these points without any directive from the court. It's the time that we make them realize that simple zoom text question papers are hardly enough in fulfilling special needs of diversed population of the differently abled candidates. Vetri. On 19/06/2018, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > What I understand is that: > 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. > 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they cannot, > candidates will bring their own junior scribe. > > First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. > We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. > Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether own or > needs to be provided. > Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior and not > one degree or course junior. > > Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. > Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be mandated > wherever exam is online. > > > सादर / With thanks & Regards > राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani > सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM > बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU > भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India > नागपुर Nagpur > > 0712 2806846 > > President > VIBEWA > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > laughter. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines > > Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? > > K > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > > Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes calls > asking for personal information such as your bank account details, > passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not > respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they > may look. > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, > review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in > this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you > have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or > telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any > attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for > the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Thanks and Regards, Ve
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What I understand is that: 1. one step junior norm is going to be brought in again. 2. Primarily examination bodies will provide the writer, if they cannot, candidates will bring their own junior scribe. First is okay, as no percentage etc. is mentioned. We should clearly say second point is not acceptable. Discretion should be with candidate about choice of scribe, whether own or needs to be provided. Besides, one step junior should be clarified to mean one year junior and not one degree or course junior. Creation of specialized centers for computerized exam is unjustified. Installation of assistive technology and accessibility should be mandated wherever exam is online. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: 19 June 2018 11:42 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? K --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes calls asking for personal information such as your bank account details, passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they may look. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Its not clear whether blind will be allowed their own scribes! In one para they say blind can take their own scribes while in some other para, they say commission will provide 100 percent scribes. Its ambigious whether we can take our own relatives as scribes (as its not easy to get scribes), this is because, in one para it says that scribes shouldn't be close to the candidates or something like that. Kanchan will be in a better position to clarify the same -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: 19 June, 2018 11:42 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: [AI] scribe guidelines Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? K --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
[AI] scribe guidelines
Has anyone seen the amount of trouble we are going to be in? K --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Probably now onwards NET exam wont be conducted by CBSE. Hopefully exam taking authorities understand the issue and they make whole exam process accessible to visually impaired. On 12/19/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Thank you all for responding so urgently and with so much information on > Thursday evening. > > I had thought that the Friday meeting would probably be the last but.. > > Sub committees would be set up to look at issues concerning each disability > and then all the issues would be looked at comprehensively. > > Overall the mood was against barring private scribes or putting > restrictions.Phew what a relief. > > Staff Selection Board mentioned that they had conducted exams on computer > and the scribe would only have to read the question and click the answer > suggested by the vi examinee. When I asked them why they hadn't made the > questions accessible, their reply was that they had so many examinees. I > think we will have to follow this up while we wait for the next meeting. > > D O P T said that on the last occasion 4 recruitees out of 11 in the VI > category had to be disqualified because they were found not to be disabled. > The UPSE conducts the preliminary exam and then the main and then the > interview. After the interview candidates are examined by a medical board > and in this medical boardfound that the candidates had doubtful > certificates. These cases were then referred to another medical board which > came to the conclusion that these be disqualified candidates had wrong > certificates. D O P T said that this whole process costs time and money. > > Friends this is embarrassing- we do obtain fake medical certificates. We > will all have to introspect and see that we don't get these certificates > and > we don't allow our friends to get them too. Of course there is a penal > action in the new law but as we all know that process will take time and > energy and wont be a deterrent to others for a while. > > UGC stated that they don't conduct NET since 2014 and CBSE does it for > them. They have agreed to ask CBSE not to ask for scribes names so much in > advance. It seems that CBSE asked for details of scribes 8 months in > advance. This was positive. > > Other issues also got discussed but the aforementioned were the most > important issues. > > Kartik I need to see the judgement in your matter. From what I have > understood from Neha this is a horrible judgement on the alternative > question issue. I wish I had known we could have challenged it. > > > > Friends once again thank you for your support and your knowledge. > > Kanchan > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Mohib Anwar Rafay Phone: +919 555 555 765 The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
[AI] Scribe guidelines
Thank you all for responding so urgently and with so much information on Thursday evening. I had thought that the Friday meeting would probably be the last but.. Sub committees would be set up to look at issues concerning each disability and then all the issues would be looked at comprehensively. Overall the mood was against barring private scribes or putting restrictions.Phew what a relief. Staff Selection Board mentioned that they had conducted exams on computer and the scribe would only have to read the question and click the answer suggested by the vi examinee. When I asked them why they hadn't made the questions accessible, their reply was that they had so many examinees. I think we will have to follow this up while we wait for the next meeting. D O P T said that on the last occasion 4 recruitees out of 11 in the VI category had to be disqualified because they were found not to be disabled. The UPSE conducts the preliminary exam and then the main and then the interview. After the interview candidates are examined by a medical board and in this medical boardfound that the candidates had doubtful certificates. These cases were then referred to another medical board which came to the conclusion that these be disqualified candidates had wrong certificates. D O P T said that this whole process costs time and money. Friends this is embarrassing- we do obtain fake medical certificates. We will all have to introspect and see that we don't get these certificates and we don't allow our friends to get them too. Of course there is a penal action in the new law but as we all know that process will take time and energy and wont be a deterrent to others for a while. UGC stated that they don't conduct NET since 2014 and CBSE does it for them. They have agreed to ask CBSE not to ask for scribes names so much in advance. It seems that CBSE asked for details of scribes 8 months in advance. This was positive. Other issues also got discussed but the aforementioned were the most important issues. Kartik I need to see the judgement in your matter. From what I have understood from Neha this is a horrible judgement on the alternative question issue. I wish I had known we could have challenged it. Friends once again thank you for your support and your knowledge. Kanchan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Everyone, The problem with recording is that most CCTVV cameras do not capture audio unless you have specifically set them up for the same. Moreover, they are usually not in the rooms as far as I know so they will not help detect cheating. Pranav The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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This is so encouraging Avi that cut off for disabled is only 2 marks below the general cutt off. The challenge here is that all disabled candidates selected on marks above the general merit must go the general merit list and not counted against the reserved quota! Often the game by employers starts here which needs to be nipped in the bud! Subhash Chandra Vashishth Advocate On 14-Dec-2017 8:53 PM, "Avee Gupta" wrote: > I agree with the opinion of not imposing any restrictions on scribe > guidelines but as far as my knowledge the cut of's of various > examinations like IBPS and SBI officer as well as clerical have multi > folded in these 4 years . > Since 2014 the cut off has almost doubled instead of the rise in level > of several examinations due to mal practices of several candidates in > exams with the help of scribes. > The latest recruitment for SBI- probationary officer saw a path > breaking cut off for visually impaired having difference of only about > 2 marks with general category . > I think now it is a very alarming situation and we should strive > forward for use of technology in exams for visually impaired so that > we can give freely our exams without help of any individual and I can > assure that the cut off's will definitely go down and only deserving > candidates with sound knowledge of screen reading softwares like jaws > and nvda be selected for such posts. > my opinion rests with use of screen reading softwares in exam centres > rather than use of scribes which are very much difficult to be > invigilated at the exam centres and now with the advent of new > technology each and every visually impaired must be aquinted with the > knowledge of screen reading softwares for there day to day work in > their offices and the exam if conducted with the help of screen > reading softwares will definitely be helpful to recruit only deserving > candidates with satisfactory knowledge of screen reading softwares. > thanks and regards > Avee Gupta > UIICL > > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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New testing mechanisms should be evolved for the blind. Many a times it is not possible for the candidates to respond to a MCQ after listening to it even two to three times. Many a times when the candidate talks to his scribe or tries to work out the answer, the, invigilator presumes that the scribe is helping him. Serious research needs to be undertaken as to what kind of questions could be asked from the blind candidates to judge their real worth/talent. Replacing MCQs with Short answer type questions to test different abilities could be one way out. Testing agencies should be taken on board for this purpose. Rohit On 15-12-2017 10:54, Mujeeb Rahman wrote: > Second Yajesh and Gupta. > > On 12/14/17, Avee Gupta wrote: >> I agree with the opinion of not imposing any restrictions on scribe >> guidelines but as far as my knowledge the cut of's of various >> examinations like IBPS and SBI officer as well as clerical have multi >> folded in these 4 years . >> Since 2014 the cut off has almost doubled instead of the rise in level >> of several examinations due to mal practices of several candidates in >> exams with the help of scribes. >> The latest recruitment for SBI- probationary officer saw a path >> breaking cut off for visually impaired having difference of only about >> 2 marks with general category . >> I think now it is a very alarming situation and we should strive >> forward for use of technology in exams for visually impaired so that >> we can give freely our exams without help of any individual and I can >> assure that the cut off's will definitely go down and only deserving >> candidates with sound knowledge of screen reading softwares like jaws >> and nvda be selected for such posts. >> my opinion rests with use of screen reading softwares in exam centres >> rather than use of scribes which are very much difficult to be >> invigilated at the exam centres and now with the advent of new >> technology each and every visually impaired must be aquinted with the >> knowledge of screen reading softwares for there day to day work in >> their offices and the exam if conducted with the help of screen >> reading softwares will definitely be helpful to recruit only deserving >> candidates with satisfactory knowledge of screen reading softwares. >> thanks and regards >> Avee Gupta >> UIICL >> >> The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Penalising the blind student by putting restrictions on the scribe is hugely unfair. If people are abusing the facility, it is up to the system to catch them and bring them to book. As it is, the blind person is disadvantaged and if he has to run around toorganise the documentation and meet the different requirements of exam boards, God help him. The simple way forward is to strengthen the invigilation and be severe on any infringements. If the onus of providing scribes is left to the exam boards, then the blind talent is seriously compromised. I have met people who have written the civil services exams where the scribe offered was a watchman. Do not think that is fair. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:51 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent Dear Kanchan mam, Still you've 11 minutes for the meeting to start. Please, ask the ministry to dig in the archive of the complaints received by the CCPD Office over the years regarding bad scribes provided by SSC/CBSE/UGC/UPSC. The situation at states' level is even worse. There are a number of newspaper reports' detailing this harsh reality. I'm sure there are plenty of cases to rely upon to send the point home that restriction or necessity of a lower grade scribe is regressive idea. On 12/15/17, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni wrote: > I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views. Strict supervision and if > necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great > extense. > > Renuka. > > On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula wrote: >> Kanchan, >> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of >> CCTV is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam >> centres. I don't think he is talking about video shoot or something >> like that. >> >> Best, >> Vasu >> >> Regards, >> >> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ >> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com >> >> Let's create an inclusive web! >> >> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for >>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for >>> exams in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal >>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video >>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording >>> should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if >>> any cheating happened. >>> for any >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> >>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these >>> but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body. >>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. >>> >>> 1. SSC >>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility >>> which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the >>> examination. >>> It >>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other >>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the >>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of >>> unfair practises could also be high. >>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining >>> Authority >>> >>> 2. CBSE >>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in >>> which the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be >>> one class lower than t
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Second Yajesh and Gupta. On 12/14/17, Avee Gupta wrote: > I agree with the opinion of not imposing any restrictions on scribe > guidelines but as far as my knowledge the cut of's of various > examinations like IBPS and SBI officer as well as clerical have multi > folded in these 4 years . > Since 2014 the cut off has almost doubled instead of the rise in level > of several examinations due to mal practices of several candidates in > exams with the help of scribes. > The latest recruitment for SBI- probationary officer saw a path > breaking cut off for visually impaired having difference of only about > 2 marks with general category . > I think now it is a very alarming situation and we should strive > forward for use of technology in exams for visually impaired so that > we can give freely our exams without help of any individual and I can > assure that the cut off's will definitely go down and only deserving > candidates with sound knowledge of screen reading softwares like jaws > and nvda be selected for such posts. > my opinion rests with use of screen reading softwares in exam centres > rather than use of scribes which are very much difficult to be > invigilated at the exam centres and now with the advent of new > technology each and every visually impaired must be aquinted with the > knowledge of screen reading softwares for there day to day work in > their offices and the exam if conducted with the help of screen > reading softwares will definitely be helpful to recruit only deserving > candidates with satisfactory knowledge of screen reading softwares. > thanks and regards > Avee Gupta > UIICL > > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Best, Mujeeb Rahman Trust me, Had this world is to enjoy, it would have been much better. The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Dear Kanchan mam, Still you've 11 minutes for the meeting to start. Please, ask the ministry to dig in the archive of the complaints received by the CCPD Office over the years regarding bad scribes provided by SSC/CBSE/UGC/UPSC. The situation at states' level is even worse. There are a number of newspaper reports' detailing this harsh reality. I'm sure there are plenty of cases to rely upon to send the point home that restriction or necessity of a lower grade scribe is regressive idea. On 12/15/17, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni wrote: > I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views. Strict supervision and if > necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great > extense. > > Renuka. > > On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula wrote: >> Kanchan, >> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of >> CCTV >> is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I >> don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that. >> >> Best, >> Vasu >> >> Regards, >> >> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ >> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com >> >> Let's create an inclusive web! >> >> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani >> >> wrote: >> >>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for >>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in >>> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Dinesh Kaushal >>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video >>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should >>> be >>> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating >>> happened. >>> for any >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> >>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but >>> got >>> foxed with NIVH -our apex body. >>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. >>> >>> 1. SSC >>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility >>> which >>> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the >>> examination. >>> It >>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other >>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the >>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of >>> unfair >>> practises could also be high. >>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority >>> >>> 2. CBSE >>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which >>> the >>> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower >>> than the candidate >>> 3. National Trust >>> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of >>> the >>> examination and should be conversant with the language of the >>> examination. >>> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the >>> PwD/candidate. >>> KP Ok >>> 4. IPH >>> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written >>> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the >>> scribe >>> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures >>> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary >>> used >>> in the test. >>> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the >>> same
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I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views. Strict supervision and if necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great extense. Renuka. On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula wrote: > Kanchan, > I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of CCTV > is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I > don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that. > > Best, > Vasu > > Regards, > > Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com > > Let's create an inclusive web! > > Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica > > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani > wrote: > >> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for >> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in >> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Dinesh Kaushal >> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> >> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video >> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should >> be >> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating >> happened. >> for any >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Kanchan Pamnani >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> >> >> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but >> got >> foxed with NIVH -our apex body. >> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. >> >> 1. SSC >> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility >> which >> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. >> It >> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other >> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the >> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of >> unfair >> practises could also be high. >> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority >> >> 2. CBSE >> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which >> the >> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower >> than the candidate >> 3. National Trust >> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of >> the >> examination and should be conversant with the language of the >> examination. >> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate. >> KP Ok >> 4. IPH >> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written >> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the >> scribe >> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures >> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary >> used >> in the test. >> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the >> same >> scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH >> NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level >> examination >> the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master >> Level >> Examination the scribe cab be from a different >> discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from >> the >> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a >> case >> the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% >> For >> entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto >> 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than >> that >> of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th >> class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a >> scribe >> 10th class pass then there should be no restr
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Kanchan, I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of CCTV is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that. Best, Vasu Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com Let's create an inclusive web! Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for > strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in > schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Dinesh Kaushal > Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video > recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be > submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating > happened. > for any > > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but > got > foxed with NIVH -our apex body. > Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. > > 1. SSC > Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which > could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. > It > also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other > candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the > Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair > practises could also be high. > Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority > > 2. CBSE > Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the > candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower > than the candidate > 3. National Trust > Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of > the > examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination. > He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate. > KP Ok > 4. IPH > Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written > assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe > must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures > described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used > in the test. > Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the > same > scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH > NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level > examination > the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master > Level > Examination the scribe cab be from a different > discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from the > same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case > the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% > For > entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto > 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that > of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th > class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe > 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks. > > CCPD > The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or > request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant. > However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own > scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc > The > Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however scribe > frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower > qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close > relatives will not be allowed as scribe. > > Close relative OK > > V 1. SSC > Scribe provided by the commission has
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I agree with the opinion of not imposing any restrictions on scribe guidelines but as far as my knowledge the cut of's of various examinations like IBPS and SBI officer as well as clerical have multi folded in these 4 years . Since 2014 the cut off has almost doubled instead of the rise in level of several examinations due to mal practices of several candidates in exams with the help of scribes. The latest recruitment for SBI- probationary officer saw a path breaking cut off for visually impaired having difference of only about 2 marks with general category . I think now it is a very alarming situation and we should strive forward for use of technology in exams for visually impaired so that we can give freely our exams without help of any individual and I can assure that the cut off's will definitely go down and only deserving candidates with sound knowledge of screen reading softwares like jaws and nvda be selected for such posts. my opinion rests with use of screen reading softwares in exam centres rather than use of scribes which are very much difficult to be invigilated at the exam centres and now with the advent of new technology each and every visually impaired must be aquinted with the knowledge of screen reading softwares for there day to day work in their offices and the exam if conducted with the help of screen reading softwares will definitely be helpful to recruit only deserving candidates with satisfactory knowledge of screen reading softwares. thanks and regards Avee Gupta UIICL The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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I believe invigilation should be more strict and strengthened rather than putting restrictions. an examiner should be seeted in front of the candidate similar to railway examinations where a separate examiner was there in frunt of VI candidate and was seeing the activities. it is more fair and correct. let's take an example if in a hall all VI candidates are giving exams, 2-3 examiners can invigilate the activities and they can satisfy themselves. if they find something which should not happen then examiner should have a rite to make the vidio of such candidate so that facts can be recorded. On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Turab, > These guidelines are supposed to apply all over India and for every exam > but > I am told today that I I T has its own rules for scribes for the entrance > exams and they are not relenting. In this matter partially the courts seem > to have gone against us. I don't have the judgement but I wonder why it was > not taken to the Supreme court by our friends on this list. > K > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of turab chimthanawala > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:12 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > Dear Kanchan Ma'am, > Apologies for not contributing much to the precise question as I do not > have > the OM at hand. > My only request is that whatever the outcome of the meeting, please ensure > that > > the guidelines formulated are uniform for all exams having overriding > effect over all unique and stupid rules or sub rules of the concerned > university/ college/ institute. > It is frustrating and irritating to fulfill unique criteria for different > exams. > Also, please ensure that these guidelines are circulated to all concerned. > It is a horrifying experience to fight with the exam authorities a day > before the exam. > Thanks in anticipation. > Best > Turab > > On 12/14/17, avinash shahi wrote: >> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check >> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user >> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement >> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an >> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. >> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of >> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at >> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary >> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern >> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined >> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules. >> >> >> >> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >>> >>> What limitations can we allow on scribes >>> >>> >>> >>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. >>> >>> >>> >>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private >>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this >>> decision. >>> >>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions. >>> >>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread misuse by >>> our community >>> >>> >>> >>> K >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >>> >>> You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or >>> g.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >>
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I think keeping one grade lower may work in school and university examination if taking scribe from the same stream, but this formula shouldn't be fixed for competetive examination. As most of the competetive examination have the eligibility being graduate, as happens in most of the state and all India civil services examination. It mean all the time a candidate appearing in civil services examination will have to necessarily engage a scribe who has not earned his bachellor degree. It will be a harsh restriction looking at the examination pattern, as the scribe should be quite efficient in reading and writing. moreover one grade lower criteria may be problematic in UGC NET and Centrel Eligibility test, as the eligibility of UGC Net exam is Master degree, mean first year student of the same master degree may sit as the scribe of the candidate? Here again the chances of cheating will be there. Therefore better we defend the currently existing office memorendum . On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > How about this : > > 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate > > > a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, > the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification > than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall > not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. > > b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the > eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. > > c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the scribe > being one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate should > not be enforced strictly as this would cause undue hardship to the > candidate > and give rise to unviable solutions. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have > no > chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly > teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and > research) and in some cases doctoral students. > > Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the > following > > 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam > previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be > that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall > marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the > first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA > students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict > totally the overqualified people as scribe then first year students in > residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to > help > them and they may not be in their city of schooling Not sure how this can > translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc. > > 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be > there. > > In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group. > > Regards > ]Amit Jain > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani > wrote: > >> So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA > course? >> What else can I give to salvage this situation. >> See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Amit Jain >> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> >> One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. >> >> Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the >> first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of >> question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb >> and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will >> happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city. >> >> Regards >> Amit >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani >> > > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > Lets get the facts straight. >> > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. >> > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candi
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OK now I am closing. If any one wants to get in touch please call on +919022029126. Don't call between 7 am and 9.30am as I will be on the flight. Meeting at 11am. K -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amit Jain Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have no chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and research) and in some cases doctoral students. Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the following 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict totally the overqualified people as scribe then first year students in residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to help them and they may not be in their city of schooling Not sure how this can translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc. 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be there. In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group. Regards ]Amit Jain On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course? > What else can I give to salvage this situation. > See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. > > Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the > first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of > question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb > and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will > happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city. > > Regards > Amit > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani > > > wrote: > > > > > Lets get the facts straight. > > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined > > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has > > taken it up legally. > > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by > > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one > > of the meetings. > > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and > > figures to back them. > > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. > > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these > > guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has > > taken a different stand. > > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: > > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be > > allowed as scribe. > > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in > > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you > > all could respond to this I will be grateful. > > Thanks > > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because > > of bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam > > centres, and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe > > guidelines set by public authorities like so called pub
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Turab, These guidelines are supposed to apply all over India and for every exam but I am told today that I I T has its own rules for scribes for the entrance exams and they are not relenting. In this matter partially the courts seem to have gone against us. I don't have the judgement but I wonder why it was not taken to the Supreme court by our friends on this list. K -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala Sent: 14 December 2017 17:12 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent Dear Kanchan Ma'am, Apologies for not contributing much to the precise question as I do not have the OM at hand. My only request is that whatever the outcome of the meeting, please ensure that the guidelines formulated are uniform for all exams having overriding effect over all unique and stupid rules or sub rules of the concerned university/ college/ institute. It is frustrating and irritating to fulfill unique criteria for different exams. Also, please ensure that these guidelines are circulated to all concerned. It is a horrifying experience to fight with the exam authorities a day before the exam. Thanks in anticipation. Best Turab On 12/14/17, avinash shahi wrote: > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check > the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user > examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement > mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an > absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of > jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at > the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary > limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern > of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined > many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules. > > > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >> >> What limitations can we allow on scribes >> >> >> >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. >> >> >> >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private >> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this >> decision. >> >> However we will have to agree to some restrictions. >> >> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread misuse by >> our community >> >> >> >> K >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or >> g.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Avinash Shahi > Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU > > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in > > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itse
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How about this : 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the scribe being one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate should not be enforced strictly as this would cause undue hardship to the candidate and give rise to unviable solutions. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amit Jain Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have no chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and research) and in some cases doctoral students. Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the following 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict totally the overqualified people as scribe then first year students in residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to help them and they may not be in their city of schooling Not sure how this can translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc. 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be there. In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group. Regards ]Amit Jain On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course? > What else can I give to salvage this situation. > See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. > > Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the > first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of > question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb > and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will > happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city. > > Regards > Amit > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani > > > wrote: > > > > > Lets get the facts straight. > > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined > > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has > > taken it up legally. > > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by > > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one > > of the meetings. > > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and > > figures to back them. > > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. > > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these > > guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has > > taken a different stand. > > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: > > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be > > allowed as scribe. > > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in > > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you > > all could respond to this I will be grateful. > > Thanks > > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.
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I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have no chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and research) and in some cases doctoral students. Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the following 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict totally the overqualified people as scribe then first year students in residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to help them and they may not be in their city of schooling Not sure how this can translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc. 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be there. In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group. Regards ]Amit Jain On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course? > What else can I give to salvage this situation. > See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. > > Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first > year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so > there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend > on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the > campus colleges which are far away from the city. > > Regards > Amit > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani > > wrote: > > > > > Lets get the facts straight. > > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined > > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has > > taken it up legally. > > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by > > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of > > the meetings. > > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures > > to back them. > > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. > > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these guidelines > > that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has taken a > > different stand. > > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: > > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed > > as scribe. > > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in > > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you > > all could respond to this I will be grateful. > > Thanks > > Kanchan > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of > > bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, > > and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines > > set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of > > the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for > > looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe > > guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by > > Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should be on the exam > > conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by > providing computer and screenreaders. > > >
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GoodAbichal. Now we come to the truth. I will still defend the guidelines however if I have to give in then what limited restriction should I accept. I think one year lower is liveable. What do others think. Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: 14 December 2017 19:23 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent I might be castigated for saying this, but still I will say it as it is the truth. There needs to be some reasonable restrictions on scribes as I myself have seen people of my own community blatantly misusing the provisions put in place for helping them. Those places where computer operations are a part of the job, exams should compulsorily be taken on the computer in accessible environment. For university, school and other academic exams, scribes of similar and over qualification should be absolutely prohibited, Remember, we can claim our rights only if and when we are eligible for judiciously using them. On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > Lets get the facts straight. > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has > taken it up legally. > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of > the meetings. > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures > to back them. > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 8. I will defend these guidelines > even -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of > bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, > and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines > set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of > the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for > looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe > guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by > Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should be on the exam > conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by > providing computer and screenreaders. > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Avinash >> Agree with you completely. >> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban >> of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus >> on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. >> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going >> to fall. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of avinash shahi >> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> >> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check >> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user >> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement >> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an >> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. >> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of >> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at >> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with >> unnecessary limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in >> the patern of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which >> had ruined many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules. >> >> >> >> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >>> >>> What limitations can we allow on scribes >>> >>> >>> >>> This is critical because
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I might be castigated for saying this, but still I will say it as it is the truth. There needs to be some reasonable restrictions on scribes as I myself have seen people of my own community blatantly misusing the provisions put in place for helping them. Those places where computer operations are a part of the job, exams should compulsorily be taken on the computer in accessible environment. For university, school and other academic exams, scribes of similar and over qualification should be absolutely prohibited, Remember, we can claim our rights only if and when we are eligible for judiciously using them. On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > Lets get the facts straight. > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our > juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it > up legally. > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the > Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the > meetings. > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to > back them. > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha > Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I > 8. I will defend these guidelines even > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad > scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also > court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public > authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes, > court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the > possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am > totally in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of > strict invigilation should be on the exam conducting authority, or > provide accessible examination environment by providing computer and > screenreaders. > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Avinash >> Agree with you completely. >> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of >> private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on >> the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. >> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going >> to fall. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of avinash shahi >> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> >> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check >> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user >> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement >> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an >> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. >> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of >> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at >> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary >> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern >> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined >> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules. >> >> >> >> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >>> >>> What limitations can we allow on scribes >>> >>> >>> >>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. >>> >>> >>> >>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private >>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision. >>> >>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions. >>> >>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of > hand. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> At present there is no
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So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course? What else can I give to salvage this situation. See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amit Jain Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city. Regards Amit On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > Lets get the facts straight. > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has > taken it up legally. > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of > the meetings. > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures > to back them. > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these guidelines > that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has taken a > different stand. > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed > as scribe. > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you > all could respond to this I will be grateful. > Thanks > Kanchan > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of > bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, > and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines > set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of > the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for > looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe > guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by > Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should be on the exam > conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by providing computer and screenreaders. > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > Avinash > > Agree with you completely. > > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban > > of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the > > onus on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. > > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are > > going to fall. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of avinash shahi > > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to > > check the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how > > non-scribe user examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict > > enforcement mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational > > qualification is an absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. > > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority > > of jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares > > at the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with > > unnecessary limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms > > in the patern of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions > > which had ruined many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminato
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At our institute we were looking at video recording as a method of vigilance not an alternate to written answers. But then question was raised about quality of audio which brought to have audio recording also and then the whole debate came up On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > > Dinesh and Amit > Are we looking at video recording > a. instead of the written answers or > b. video recording of the room in which the exam takes place as a method of > supervision. Please clarify. > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 18:59 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable. > When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on > the > following > > 1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a > seperate recording required both for audio and video 2. Person and scribe > would have to do the talking in descent volume so that even the audio is > recorded and one person in the institute committee went to the extent that > the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need them on paper, we > can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with recording would be > people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy) where they may not be > able to speak loud > > People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my > experience > > Regards > Amit Jain > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani > > wrote: > > > Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for > > strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams > > in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal > > Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 > > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled.' > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video > > recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording > > should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any > > cheating happened. > > for any > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM > > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled.' > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > > > See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these > > but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body. > > Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. > > > > 1. SSC > > Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility > > which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the > examination. > > It > > also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other > > candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the > > Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of > > unfair practises could also be high. > > Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority > > > > 2. CBSE > > Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which > > the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class > > lower than the candidate > > 3. National Trust > > Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need > > of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the > > examination. > > He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate. > > KP Ok > > 4. IPH > > Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written > > assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the > > scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using > > procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge of > > vocabulary used in the test. > > Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have > > the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the > &
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One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city. Regards Amit On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > Lets get the facts straight. > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our > juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it > up > legally. > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the > Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the > meetings. > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to > back them. > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha > Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I > 9. I will defend these guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even > though NIVH has taken a different stand. > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed as > scribe. > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you all > could respond to this I will be grateful. > Thanks > Kanchan > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad > scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also > court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public > authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes, > court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the > possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am totally > in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of strict > invigilation should be on the exam conducting authority, or provide > accessible examination environment by providing computer and screenreaders. > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > > Avinash > > Agree with you completely. > > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of > > private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on > > the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. > > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going > > to fall. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of avinash shahi > > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check > > the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user > > examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement > > mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an > > absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. > > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of > > jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at > > the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary > > limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern > > of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined > > many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules. > > > > > > > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 > >> > >> What limitations can we allow on scribes > >> > >> > >> > >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. > >> > >> > >> > >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private > >> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agree
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Dinesh and Amit Are we looking at video recording a. instead of the written answers or b. video recording of the room in which the exam takes place as a method of supervision. Please clarify. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amit Jain Sent: 14 December 2017 18:59 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable. When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on the following 1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a seperate recording required both for audio and video 2. Person and scribe would have to do the talking in descent volume so that even the audio is recorded and one person in the institute committee went to the extent that the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need them on paper, we can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with recording would be people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy) where they may not be able to speak loud People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my experience Regards Amit Jain On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for > strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams > in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal > Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video > recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording > should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any > cheating happened. > for any > > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these > but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body. > Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. > > 1. SSC > Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility > which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. > It > also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other > candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the > Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of > unfair practises could also be high. > Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority > > 2. CBSE > Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which > the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class > lower than the candidate > 3. National Trust > Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need > of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the > examination. > He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate. > KP Ok > 4. IPH > Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written > assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the > scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using > procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge of > vocabulary used in the test. > Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have > the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the > candidate Kp OK NIVH NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of > graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a > different stream In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab be > from a different > discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from the > same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a > case the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more > than 60% For entrance and school tests involving basic qualification > of candidate upto 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be > one step lower than that of the candidate. For example 12th class > candidate may be allowed an 11th class with not more than 70% marks. > In c
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As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable. When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on the following 1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a seperate recording required both for audio and video 2. Person and scribe would have to do the talking in descent volume so that even the audio is recorded and one person in the institute committee went to the extent that the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need them on paper, we can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with recording would be people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy) where they may not be able to speak loud People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my experience Regards Amit Jain On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for > strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in > schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Dinesh Kaushal > Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video > recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be > submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating > happened. > for any > > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Kanchan Pamnani > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but > got > foxed with NIVH -our apex body. > Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. > > 1. SSC > Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which > could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. > It > also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other > candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the > Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair > practises could also be high. > Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority > > 2. CBSE > Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the > candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower > than the candidate > 3. National Trust > Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of > the > examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination. > He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate. > KP Ok > 4. IPH > Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written > assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe > must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures > described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used > in the test. > Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the > same > scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH > NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level > examination > the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master > Level > Examination the scribe cab be from a different > discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from the > same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case > the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% > For > entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto > 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that > of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th > class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe > 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks. > > CCPD > The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or > request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant. > However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own > scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc > The > Qualification of
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Lets get the facts straight. 1. These guidelines are wonderful. 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it up legally. 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the meetings. 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to back them. 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 8. I will defend these guidelines even -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should be on the exam conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by providing computer and screenreaders. On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: > Avinash > Agree with you completely. > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of > private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on > the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going > to fall. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of avinash shahi > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check > the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user > examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement > mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an > absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past. > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of > jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at > the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary > limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern > of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined > many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules. > > > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani wrote: >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >> >> What limitations can we allow on scribes >> >> >> >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. >> >> >> >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private >> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision. >> >> However we will have to agree to some restrictions. >> >> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread misuse by >> our community >> >> >> >> K >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or >> g >> .in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking &
Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating happened. for any -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body. Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. 1. SSC Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. It also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair practises could also be high. Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority 2. CBSE Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower than the candidate 3. National Trust Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination. He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate. KP Ok 4. IPH Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used in the test. Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab be from a different discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from the same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% For entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks. CCPD The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant. However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc The Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however scribe frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close relatives will not be allowed as scribe. Close relative OK V 1. SSC Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The overall conduct of examination is done under proper invigilation/supervision to check malpractices 2. CBSC Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject in which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she should be one class lower than the candidate 3. National Trust Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the need of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination he Should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the Pwd/candidate 4.IPH Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that post of written exam] Invigilator should be trained and ensure that scribe remains impartial and should not be any way influence the student performance on the test 5. CCPD The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of candidate The criteria for scribe should be separate for school/college or other