subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] Data center Security"

I think it was because the Q stuff was a "truthbomb" and you drop bombs. I
was hanging out on 4chan back then and people were always talking about it
like it was the atomic bomb of insider information. I dont think I ever
sought out a post, I figured it was a 12 year old shitposting and I was
just there for the hewillnotdivideus antics. (Epic fun btw, you could
control the actions of people in real time on a video stream in New York by
shitposting on an imageboard) I think that place may have gone from a bunch
of middle aged men shitposting for fun to something dark. I'm guessing it's
a big anti5g joint and bomberman probably got all his "truthbombs" there.
Now theres a neighbor who previously said the guy never talked to anybody
claiming he pulled over to ask him if Santa was going to be good to him.
The 15 minutes of fame whores are on the prowl now, this should get fun.
But I'm q1

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 11:37 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Q #1 or Q #2?
>
>
> https://mashable.com/article/qanon-study-two-people-wrote-q-posts-4chan-8kun/
>
>
>
> And why are they called “Q drops” and not “Q tips”?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Me, I set him up. I'm Q
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 9:31 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> nothing found in the house to tie him to the explosion.
>
> hmmm - which deep state actor set him up?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:57 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This:
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>
>
>
> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Which media?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If you believe the media report:
>
>
>
> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to
> spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>
> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>
> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
> ordinary about the basement.
>
> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded,
> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof
> woof Julio.”
>
> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the
> woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
> believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> That checks out.
>
> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *S

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Q #1 or Q #2?

https://mashable.com/article/qanon-study-two-people-wrote-q-posts-4chan-8kun/

 

And why are they called “Q drops” and not “Q tips”?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Me, I set him up. I'm Q

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 9:31 PM CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

nothing found in the house to tie him to the explosion.

hmmm - which deep state actor set him up?

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

 

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Which media?

bp


On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

 

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

 

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

 

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn W

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Me, I set him up. I'm Q

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 9:31 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> nothing found in the house to tie him to the explosion.
> hmmm - which deep state actor set him up?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
> This:
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>
>
>
> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Which media?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If you believe the media report:
>
>
>
> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to
> spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>
> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>
> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
> ordinary about the basement.
>
> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded,
> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof
> woof Julio.”
>
> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the
> woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
> believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> That checks out.
>
> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>
>
>
> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>
> This is gonna get super fun.
>
> Deep state psyop
>
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to s

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

nothing found in the house to tie him to the explosion.
hmmm - which deep state actor set him up?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

  Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Which media?

bpOn 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the 
woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I 
believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more 
garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that 
believe in aliens?

  On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

  You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in 
aliens?

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer 
if they gave someone their house?

  I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages 
had basements.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens 
and sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird 
basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a 
“relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was 
making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing 
site in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy 
weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super 
soldier silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from 
the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan 
again.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Ma

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

https://rumble.com/vc8txz-new-bodycam-footage-shows-moment-rv-explodes-in-nashville.html?mref=23gga&mc=8uxj1
this is insane, these cops had just walked past

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 4:37 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> That's a joint that's best burned to the ground and the soil salted for
> good measure, I dont think you'd want to go poking around Neverland
> following clues.
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 4:13 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I had a customer murder-suicide in 2018.  According to news reports he
>> shot his wife with a 45 caliber handgun, went out to the barn and shot the
>> horses, set the barns on fire, went back in the house and set it on fire,
>> then laid down in bed next to his wife and shot himself.
>>
>>
>>
>> I assumed the property would be “tainted” as you say, but in 2019 someone
>> bought it for $76K and flipped it within 2 months for $103K, according to
>> Zillow.  6 acres, maybe somebody bought it for the land, although that
>> would be around twice the value of farmland here, and you’d have to clear
>> the trees.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, you could have bought Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch for $22
>> million.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 3:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> i assume i will be turned away at airports
>>
>> When I was really young I sent a letter that could maybe be taken as a
>> threat to president clinton, had I done that today, oh boy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can understand the apprehension people have with "5g". I have
>> apprehension with that much energy at ground level everywhere. sure it is
>> absorbed by the air and skin, but every 800 feet is a bit much. like a pin
>> prick, one doesnt hurt you but by the 500th one you may have an issue. I
>> think the biggest issue is with carbon footprint and energy consumption.
>> How much plastic housing and PCB waste is there going to be. I wonder if
>> some geek has sat down and calculated out the aggregate energy consumption
>> if the entirety were deployed. Even if its "green" energy like
>> solar/wind/etc, there is alot of heat going to be dissipated. That leads me
>> to another curiosity, if solar, is there even an environmental impact from
>> the heat generated by the electronics? The energy would have been there
>> regardless.
>>
>>
>>
>> My concerns arent elevated to the level of blowing up buildings (there
>> are so many other valid reasons to do that) But its enough to do random
>> weird stuff like give people things they didnt ask for with cryptic
>> messages.
>>
>>
>>
>> On that note, I wonder if this broad he gave those houses to is on the
>> hook for the tax liability, they say the two homes were worth around 400k.
>> Maybe he didnt like her mom at all and knows that shes on the hook for the
>> current market value tax at time of the transfer and now the houses are
>> tainted to the point she may have to sell them for less than the tax
>> burden. Thats the type of spite I can get behind,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> BTW, Steve, you still on the watch list...?  [image: Winking smile]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:06 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of
>> these cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have
>> done. Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same
>> breath that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be
>> stepped on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is
>> "reported" half of the country would be police
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> This:
>>
>>
>> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That's a joint that's best burned to the ground and the soil salted for
good measure, I dont think you'd want to go poking around Neverland
following clues.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 4:13 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I had a customer murder-suicide in 2018.  According to news reports he
> shot his wife with a 45 caliber handgun, went out to the barn and shot the
> horses, set the barns on fire, went back in the house and set it on fire,
> then laid down in bed next to his wife and shot himself.
>
>
>
> I assumed the property would be “tainted” as you say, but in 2019 someone
> bought it for $76K and flipped it within 2 months for $103K, according to
> Zillow.  6 acres, maybe somebody bought it for the land, although that
> would be around twice the value of farmland here, and you’d have to clear
> the trees.
>
>
>
> Hey, you could have bought Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch for $22
> million.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 3:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> i assume i will be turned away at airports
>
> When I was really young I sent a letter that could maybe be taken as a
> threat to president clinton, had I done that today, oh boy.
>
>
>
> I can understand the apprehension people have with "5g". I have
> apprehension with that much energy at ground level everywhere. sure it is
> absorbed by the air and skin, but every 800 feet is a bit much. like a pin
> prick, one doesnt hurt you but by the 500th one you may have an issue. I
> think the biggest issue is with carbon footprint and energy consumption.
> How much plastic housing and PCB waste is there going to be. I wonder if
> some geek has sat down and calculated out the aggregate energy consumption
> if the entirety were deployed. Even if its "green" energy like
> solar/wind/etc, there is alot of heat going to be dissipated. That leads me
> to another curiosity, if solar, is there even an environmental impact from
> the heat generated by the electronics? The energy would have been there
> regardless.
>
>
>
> My concerns arent elevated to the level of blowing up buildings (there are
> so many other valid reasons to do that) But its enough to do random weird
> stuff like give people things they didnt ask for with cryptic messages.
>
>
>
> On that note, I wonder if this broad he gave those houses to is on the
> hook for the tax liability, they say the two homes were worth around 400k.
> Maybe he didnt like her mom at all and knows that shes on the hook for the
> current market value tax at time of the transfer and now the houses are
> tainted to the point she may have to sell them for less than the tax
> burden. Thats the type of spite I can get behind,
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> BTW, Steve, you still on the watch list...?  [image: Winking smile]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:06 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these
> cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done.
> Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath
> that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped
> on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half
> of the country would be police
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> This:
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>
>
>
> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Which media?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If you believe the media report:
>
>
>
> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to
> spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>
> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>
> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
> ordinary about the basement.
>
> “The attic has plywood and lighting,

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I had a customer murder-suicide in 2018.  According to news reports he shot his 
wife with a 45 caliber handgun, went out to the barn and shot the horses, set 
the barns on fire, went back in the house and set it on fire, then laid down in 
bed next to his wife and shot himself.

 

I assumed the property would be “tainted” as you say, but in 2019 someone 
bought it for $76K and flipped it within 2 months for $103K, according to 
Zillow.  6 acres, maybe somebody bought it for the land, although that would be 
around twice the value of farmland here, and you’d have to clear the trees.

 

Hey, you could have bought Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch for $22 million.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

i assume i will be turned away at airports

When I was really young I sent a letter that could maybe be taken as a threat 
to president clinton, had I done that today, oh boy.

 

I can understand the apprehension people have with "5g". I have apprehension 
with that much energy at ground level everywhere. sure it is absorbed by the 
air and skin, but every 800 feet is a bit much. like a pin prick, one doesnt 
hurt you but by the 500th one you may have an issue. I think the biggest issue 
is with carbon footprint and energy consumption. How much plastic housing and 
PCB waste is there going to be. I wonder if some geek has sat down and 
calculated out the aggregate energy consumption if the entirety were deployed. 
Even if its "green" energy like solar/wind/etc, there is alot of heat going to 
be dissipated. That leads me to another curiosity, if solar, is there even an 
environmental impact from the heat generated by the electronics? The energy 
would have been there regardless. 

 

My concerns arent elevated to the level of blowing up buildings (there are so 
many other valid reasons to do that) But its enough to do random weird stuff 
like give people things they didnt ask for with cryptic messages. 

 

On that note, I wonder if this broad he gave those houses to is on the hook for 
the tax liability, they say the two homes were worth around 400k. Maybe he 
didnt like her mom at all and knows that shes on the hook for the current 
market value tax at time of the transfer and now the houses are tainted to the 
point she may have to sell them for less than the tax burden. Thats the type of 
spite I can get behind,

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

BTW, Steve, you still on the watch list...?  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:06 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these 
cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. Morons 
say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath that they 
want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped on. If 
"authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half of the 
country would be police 

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

 

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Which media?

bp


On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

 

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most peop

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqwqlDPhPE

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"You are only paranoid if they aren't after you"

On 12/28/2020 10:56 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If 
> there are 200 people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have 
> psychosis. I can count me in that.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> 10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.
>>
>> I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental 
>> illness in 2020.
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Chuck postulated he had mental illness. Maybe he had Covid induced
>>> psychosis:
>>>
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-dev
>>> elop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>>
>>> I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of 
>>> these cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could 
>>> have done. Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" 
>>> in the same breath that they want to defund the police and not let 
>>> anyone's rights be stepped on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" 
>>> every person who is "reported" half of the country would be police
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This:
>>>
>>> 
>>> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-wa
>>> rner-police-warned-rv/
>>>
>>> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>>
>>> Which media?
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> If you believe the media report:
>>>
>>> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on
>>> Christmas Eve to spend a few weeks in the woods with his
>>> dogs,” the report said.
>>>
>>> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously
>>> had a relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>>>
>>> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was
>>> signing over a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of
>>>     something out of the ordinary about the basement.
>>>
>>> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter
>>> concluded, according to the outlet. “The basement is not
>>> normal, take a look. Woof woof Julio.”
>>>
>>> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few
>>> weeks in the woods with his dogs? Not “woof woof Julio”?
>>>
>>> *From:* AF 
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>>
>>> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the 
>>> attic
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman
>>> mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it.
>>> Does that mean I believe in more aliens than most peop

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

i assume i will be turned away at airports
When I was really young I sent a letter that could maybe be taken as a
threat to president clinton, had I done that today, oh boy.

I can understand the apprehension people have with "5g". I have
apprehension with that much energy at ground level everywhere. sure it is
absorbed by the air and skin, but every 800 feet is a bit much. like a pin
prick, one doesnt hurt you but by the 500th one you may have an issue. I
think the biggest issue is with carbon footprint and energy consumption.
How much plastic housing and PCB waste is there going to be. I wonder if
some geek has sat down and calculated out the aggregate energy consumption
if the entirety were deployed. Even if its "green" energy like
solar/wind/etc, there is alot of heat going to be dissipated. That leads me
to another curiosity, if solar, is there even an environmental impact from
the heat generated by the electronics? The energy would have been there
regardless.

My concerns arent elevated to the level of blowing up buildings (there are
so many other valid reasons to do that) But its enough to do random weird
stuff like give people things they didnt ask for with cryptic messages.

On that note, I wonder if this broad he gave those houses to is on the hook
for the tax liability, they say the two homes were worth around 400k. Maybe
he didnt like her mom at all and knows that shes on the hook for the
current market value tax at time of the transfer and now the houses are
tainted to the point she may have to sell them for less than the tax
burden. Thats the type of spite I can get behind,

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> BTW, Steve, you still on the watch list...?  [image: Winking smile]
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
> I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these
> cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done.
> Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath
> that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped
> on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half
> of the country would be police
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> This:
>>
>>
>> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> Which media?
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> If you believe the media report:
>>
>>
>>
>> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve
>> to spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>>
>> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
>> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>>
>> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
>> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
>> ordinary about the basement.
>>
>> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded,
>> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof
>> woof Julio.”
>>
>> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the
>> woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
>> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
>> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
>> believe in aliens?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

I plead insanity:
https://youtu.be/fI-todKuWhQ

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"You are only paranoid if they aren't after you"

On 12/28/2020 10:56 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there 
are 200 people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I can 
count me in that.

bp

On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.

I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental illness 
in 2020.

On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Chuck postulated he had mental illness. Maybe he had Covid induced 
psychosis:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of 
these cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have 
done. Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the 
same breath that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's 
rights be stepped on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who 
is "reported" half of the country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Which media?

bp

On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on
Christmas Eve to spend a few weeks in the woods with his
dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously
had a relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was
signing over a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of
something out of the ordinary about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter
concluded, according to the outlet. “The basement is not
normal, take a look. Woof woof Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few
weeks in the woods with his dogs? Not “woof woof Julio”?

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it.
Does that mean I believe in more aliens than most people
since I have more boats in more garages. Or is it only
the people that store the boats in those spaces that
believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my
garage.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with
basements believe in aliens?

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
            *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make
the same disclaimer if they gave someone their 
house?

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

BTW, Steve, you still on the watch list...?  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these 
cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. Morons 
say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath that they 
want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped on. If 
"authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half of the 
country would be police 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

  Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Which media?

bpOn 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the 
woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I 
believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more 
garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that 
believe in aliens?

  On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
    To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

  You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in 
aliens?

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer 
if they gave someone their house?

  I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages 
had basements.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
          To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens 
and sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird 
basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a 
“relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was 
making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing 
site in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy 
weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super 
soldier silent cell to activate should the dee

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get 
you.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"You are only paranoid if they aren't after you"

On 12/28/2020 10:56 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there 
are 200 people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I can 
count me in that.

bp

On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.

I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental illness 
in 2020.

On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Chuck postulated he had mental illness. Maybe he had Covid induced 
psychosis:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of 
these cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have 
done. Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the 
same breath that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's 
rights be stepped on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who 
is "reported" half of the country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Which media?

bp

On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on
Christmas Eve to spend a few weeks in the woods with his
dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously
had a relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was
signing over a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of
something out of the ordinary about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter
concluded, according to the outlet. “The basement is not
normal, take a look. Woof woof Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few
weeks in the woods with his dogs? Not “woof woof Julio”?

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it.
Does that mean I believe in more aliens than most people
since I have more boats in more garages. Or is it only
the people that store the boats in those spaces that
believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my
garage.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with
basements believe in aliens?

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
        *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make
the same disclaimer

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Robert Andrews

"You are only paranoid if they aren't after you"

On 12/28/2020 10:56 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there
are 200 people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I
can count me in that.

On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.

I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental
illness in 2020.

On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Chuck postulated he had mental illness. Maybe he had Covid induced
psychosis:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of
these cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could
have done. Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist"
in the same breath that they want to defund the police and not let
anyone's rights be stepped on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on"
every person who is "reported" half of the country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

Sounds like a UK tabloid. Caveat emptor.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Which media?

On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on
Christmas Eve to spend a few weeks in the woods with his
dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously
had a relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was
signing over a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of
something out of the ordinary about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter
concluded, according to the outlet. “The basement is not
normal, take a look. Woof woof Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood? Not spending a few
weeks in the woods with his dogs? Not “woof woof Julio”?

*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it.
Does that mean I believe in more aliens than most people
since I have more boats in more garages. Or is it only
the people that store the boats in those spaces that
believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

I dunno…. I don’t believe there are any aliens in my
garage.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with
basements believe in aliens?

*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make
the same disclaimer if they gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about
people whose garages had basements.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

5G conspiracy dude...sad
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 5:51 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
> This is gonna get super fun.
> Deep state psyop
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
> people.
>
> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even
>> know.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?
>> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the
>> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
>> Christmas bomber"
>> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double
>> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it
>> has fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes
>> they have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that
>> site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more
>> than about 10% of the place.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE
>> and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side
>> was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it
>> would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building
>> they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full
>> of fuel to power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power
>> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus
>> battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
>> *To:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on
>> 100 or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
>>
>> And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> Except it just did.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Are those the ones that come in little plastic wrapped rolls?   The ones they 
give me are called smarties.  They told me they keep you from getting stupid 
too.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

not me dude, all the shrinks tell me im fine, they give me pills to protect me 
from catching the crazy you folks all have

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 12:56 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there are 200 
people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I can count me in 
that.

bp

On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.

I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental illness in 
2020.

On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Chuck postulated he had mental illness.  Maybe he had Covid induced psychosis:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these 
cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. Morons 
say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath that they 
want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped on. If 
"authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half of the 
country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
This:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Which media?

bp

On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.
“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”
So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.
On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic a

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

not me dude, all the shrinks tell me im fine, they give me pills to protect
me from catching the crazy you folks all have

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 12:56 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there
> are 200 people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I can
> count me in that.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> 10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.
>
> I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental illness
> in 2020.
>
>
> On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Chuck postulated he had mental illness.  Maybe he had Covid induced
> psychosis:
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these
> cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done.
> Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath
> that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped
> on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half
> of the country would be police
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> This:
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>
>
>
> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Which media?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If you believe the media report:
>
>
>
> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to
> spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>
> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>
> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
> ordinary about the basement.
>
> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded,
> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof
> woof Julio.”
>
> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the
> woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
> believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> That checks out.
>
> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic a

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Are you implying that only 10% of us have at least a split personality?  I take 
offense at that!  Wait, maybe I don’t.  Well, on the other hand, yes I think I 
all do.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 12:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there are 200 
people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I can count me in 
that.

bp

On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.

I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental illness in 
2020.

On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Chuck postulated he had mental illness.  Maybe he had Covid induced psychosis:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these 
cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. Morons 
say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath that they 
want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped on. If 
"authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half of the 
country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
This:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Which media?

bp

On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If you believe the media report:

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.
“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”
So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.
On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Chuck postulated he had mental illness.  Maybe he had Covid induced psychosis:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these 
cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. Morons 
say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath that they 
want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped on. If 
"authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half of the 
country would be police 

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

 

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Which media?

bp


On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

 

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

 

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

 

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct en

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these
cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done.
Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath
that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped
on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half
of the country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This:
>
>
> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/
>
>
>
> Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Which media?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If you believe the media report:
>
>
>
> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to
> spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>
> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>
> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
> ordinary about the basement.
>
> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded,
> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof
> woof Julio.”
>
> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the
> woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
> believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> That checks out.
>
> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>
>
>
> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>
> This is gonna get super fun.
>
> Deep state psyop
>
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

 

Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Which media?

bp


On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you believe the media report:

 

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

 

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

 

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

 

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

 

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

 

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Be

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Im really intrigued by this. I have played enough role playing video games
to know that if you decipher these clues a portal will open to a boss. Im
guessing that with the correct patterns of lights in the attic the plywood
has a clue written on it that will be exposed. There is something in the
woods needed to open the basement portal, Im thinking its a latino fella
named julio with a dogface that has the key. Im betting the boss is george
soros

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:13 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you believe the media report:
>
>
>
> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to
> spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.
>
> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a
> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.
>
> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over
> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the
> ordinary about the basement.
>
> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded,
> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof
> woof Julio.”
>
> So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the
> woods with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
> believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> That checks out.
>
> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>
>
>
> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>
> This is gonna get super fun.
>
> Deep state psyop
>
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
> people.
>
>
>
> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wr

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Which media?

bp

On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
If you believe the media report:
 
Warner
wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas
Eve to spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the
report said.
The
tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously
had a relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the
report.
Warner
reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was
signing over a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of
something out of the ordinary about the basement.
“The
attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter
concluded, according to the outlet. “The basement is not
normal, take a look. Woof woof Julio.”
So what you find unusual is the plywood? 
  Not spending a few weeks in the woods with his dogs?  Not
  “woof woof Julio”?
 
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

  I think it all depends on how much
plywood you have in the attic

 

  
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis
  Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  
  

  I own a storage facility with a bunch
of boats in it. Does that mean I believe in more aliens
than most people since I have more boats in more
garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats
in those spaces that believe in aliens?

 

  
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM
  James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
  wrote:
  
  

  
I
  dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in
  my garage.
 

  
From:
  AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23
  AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center
  Security
  

 
That checks out.

  On
12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:


  You’re
saying that people with garages with basements
believe in aliens?
   
  

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07
AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center
Security

  
   
  How
many people on this list would have to make the
same disclaimer if they gave someone their
house?
   
  I
remember a discussion not too long ago about
people whose garages had basements.
   
   
  
From:
  AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14
  PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  <af@af.afmug.com>
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center
  Security
  
   
  
This
  is getting better and better. Dude supposedly
  believed in aliens and sent a weird letter to
  the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

If you believe the media report:

 

Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve to 
spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said.

The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a 
relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over a 
home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the ordinary 
about the basement.

“The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, 
according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof woof 
Julio.”

So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few weeks in the woods 
with his dogs?  Not “woof woof Julio”?

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

 

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

 

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

 

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

 

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

 

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data c

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
How many of them have basements?

bp

On 12/28/2020 8:39 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in
it. Does that mean I believe in more aliens than most people
since I have more boats in more garages. Or is it only the
people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in
aliens?
  
  
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27
  AM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:


  

  I dunno….  I don’t believe there are
any aliens in my garage.
   
  

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  
   
  That checks out.
  
On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James
  Howard wrote:
  
  
You’re saying that people with
  garages with basements believe in aliens?
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  

 
How many people on this list would
  have to make the same disclaimer if they gave someone
  their house?
 
I remember a discussion not too
  long ago about people whose garages had basements.
 
 

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

  This is getting better and
better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood
attic and weird basement. This is the gift that
keeps on giving

 

  
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM
  Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
  wrote:
  
  

  
Well, if you want to
  believe DailyMail, he may have had a
  “relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s
  mother.  So you may be close.
 
And a neighbor may have
  reported to the FBI a year ago that he was
  making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may
  have been spotted at the bombing site in the
  days prior as if he had been scouting the
  site.
 
 

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51
PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center
Security

 

  
He supposedly gave 2
  houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

  This is it guys, they
have the evidence


  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E


  Except the guy goes
from chemtrails to missiles to direct
energy weapons.


  This is gonna get
super fun.

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it must have something to do with parking cars above the boats from the 
line of reasoning here……

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I believe 
in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more garages. Or is 
it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.
On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
This is it guys, they have the evidence
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
This is gonna get super fun.
Deep state psyop
Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.

From: Robert
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The first serious "data center" I got to

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
> believe in aliens?
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> That checks out.
>>
>> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
>> they gave someone their house?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
>> basements.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
>> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
>> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
>> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>>
>>
>>
>> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
>> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
>> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>>
>> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>>
>> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>>
>> This is gonna get super fun.
>>
>> Deep state psyop
>>
>> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>>
>> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
>> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
>> people.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even
>> know.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?
>> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the
>> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>>
>>
>> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
>> Christmas bomber"
>> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEH

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Lewis Bergman

I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I
believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more
garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that
believe in aliens?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard  wrote:

> I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> That checks out.
>
> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>
>
>
> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>
> This is gonna get super fun.
>
> Deep state psyop
>
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
> people.
>
>
>
> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>
>
>
> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?
> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the
> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
> Christmas bomber"
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double
> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it
> has fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes
> they have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that
> site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more
> than about 10% of the place.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Adam Moffett

There are people with garages with basements who don't believe in 
aliens, but there are people with garages and basements who DO believe 
in aliens.  So it checks out.


On 12/28/2020 11:26 AM, James Howard wrote:


I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in
aliens?

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same
disclaimer if they gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose
garages had basements.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in
aliens and sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his
plywood attic and weird basement. This is the gift that keeps on
giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a
“relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s mother. So you may
be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he
was making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been
spotted at the bombing site in the days prior as if he had
been scouting the site.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
<https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E>

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct
energy weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super
soldier silent cell to activate should the deep state try to
subvert power from the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on
4chan again.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she
didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang
your hat on? AT&T?  Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding
his house and his brother’s house to the mystery
woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

*From:*Jaime Solorza

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

    *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA
test as Nashville Christmas bomber"

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

<https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I have no idea how ma

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.
On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:
You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
This is it guys, they have the evidence
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
This is gonna get super fun.
Deep state psyop
Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.

From: Robert
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would take a CME 
to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power 
turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to power it for 
22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

From: AF

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Well, the previous owners did here.  I guess I had our boat in there the first 
winter we lived here before the shed was finished.  It’s got spancrete for the 
floor of the upstairs garage and 14’ ceilings in the basement one.  I never 
understood why they wouldn’t have just built a separate shed for their boat but 
I suppose it’s because they were planning to heat it (has pex lines through the 
floor for radiant but it wasn’t ever hooked up).  It had to cost way more than 
putting up a heated shed to build this screwy garage though.  The worst part is 
that when the cars are covered in snow in the winter it melts and seeps through 
the floor because there’s no slope on the upstairs garage floor.  I’m not sure 
what this has to do with aliens though.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 9:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Yeah, doesnt somebody park a boat in their basement or something?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:08 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
This is it guys, they have the evidence
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
This is gonna get super fun.
Deep state psyop
Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.


On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.

From: Robert
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confiden

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-28 Thread Adam Moffett


That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:


You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if 
they gave someone their house?


I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages 
had basements.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones

*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens 
and sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and 
weird basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving


On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a
“relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s mother. So you may be
close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was
making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at
the bombing site in the days prior as if he had been scouting the
site.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
<https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E>

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy
weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super
soldier silent cell to activate should the deep state try to
subvert power from the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she
didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your
hat on?  AT&T? Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house
and his brother’s house to the mystery woman, who deeded
the brother’s house back to the mother.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

*From:*Jaime Solorza

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

    *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test
as Nashville Christmas bomber"

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

<https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in
Utah.  Plus double redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain
Power. Its own substation.  Plus it has fiber from
others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many
routes they have out of town.  And this is just the
first phase of four for that site.  Even a Oklahoma
sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than
about 10% of the place.

*From:*Robert

*Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the
80's was run by GE and had po

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
This is it guys, they have the evidence
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
This is gonna get super fun.
Deep state psyop
Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.

From: Robert
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would take a CME 
to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power 
turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to power it for 
22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

It didn’t.  One

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Yeah, doesnt somebody park a boat in their basement or something?

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if
> they gave someone their house?
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had
> basements.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>
>
>
> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>
> This is gonna get super fun.
>
> Deep state psyop
>
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
> people.
>
>
>
> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>
>
>
> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?
> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the
> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
> Christmas bomber"
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double
> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it
> has fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes
> they have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that
> site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more
> than about 10% of the place.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE
> and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side
> was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it
> would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building
> they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full
> of fuel to power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
>
> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power
> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus
> battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.a

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if they 
gave someone their house?

 

I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had 
basements.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and sent 
a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird basement. 
This is the gift that keeps on giving

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

 

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

 

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

 

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US
 
<https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>
 &gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.   

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would take a CME 
to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power 
turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to power it for 
22 days..  This was way before the Internet.

On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack o

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and
sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird
basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship”
> with the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.
>
>
>
> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making
> bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site
> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
>
> This is it guys, they have the evidence
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
>
> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
>
> This is gonna get super fun.
>
> Deep state psyop
>
> Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
>
> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
> people.
>
>
>
> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>
>
>
> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?
> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the
> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
> Christmas bomber"
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double
> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it
> has fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes
> they have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that
> site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more
> than about 10% of the place.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE
> and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side
> was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it
> would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building
> they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full
> of fuel to power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
>
> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power
> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus
> battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on
> 100 or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
>
> And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, D

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” with 
the 29 year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

 

And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making bombs 
in his RV.  And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site in the 
days prior as if he had been scouting the site.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

This is it guys, they have the evidence

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.

This is gonna get super fun.

Deep state psyop

Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er 

Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier silent 
cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the people.

 

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.

 

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

 

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US
 
<https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>
 &gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.   

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would take a CME 
to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power 
turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to power it for 
22 days..  This was way before the Internet.

On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Except it just did. 

 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

 

FB alone has about 100 data centers.

 

The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
poi

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.
This is it guys, they have the evidence
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons.
This is gonna get super fun.
Deep state psyop
Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er
Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier
silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the
people.

I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again.



On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>
>
>
> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?
> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the
> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
> Christmas bomber"
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double
> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it
> has fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes
> they have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that
> site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more
> than about 10% of the place.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE
> and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side
> was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it
> would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building
> they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full
> of fuel to power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
>
> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power
> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus
> battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on
> 100 or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
>
> And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Except it just did.
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.
>
>
>
> FB alone has about 100 data centers.
>
>
>
> The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables
> running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal
> compass points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB
> cable and then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit
> all the routes.
>
>
>
> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured
> reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would
> get shot at while driving through the perimeter fe

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.
>  
> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
> Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> So, what was his deal other than mental illness?
>  
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
> Christmas bomber" 
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>  
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
> fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
> have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
> Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 
> 10% of the place.  
>  
> From: Robert
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and 
> had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was 
> Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would 
> take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a 
> GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to 
> power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
> 
> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power 
> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus 
> battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
> To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm 
> Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 
> or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
> And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> Except it just did.
>  
> 
> On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.
>  
> FB alone has about 100 data centers.
>  
> The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
> hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
> points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
> then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the 
> routes. 
>  
> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
> reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would 
> get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just 
> wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the 
> servers are. 
>  
> And then do that 100 other places at the same time?
> And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...
>  
> Never gonna happen.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
> It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed.
>  
> While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
> multiple places down the road.
>  
> Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place.
>  
> 
> On Dec 26,

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

 

As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on?  AT&T?  
Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the 
mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US
 
<https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>
 &gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.   

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would take a CME 
to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power 
turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to power it for 
22 days..  This was way before the Internet.

On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Except it just did. 

 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

 

FB alone has about 100 data centers.

 

The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the routes. 
 

 

Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

 

And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

 

Never gonna happen.

 

 

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

 

While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 

 

Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 

 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will 
do it all.

 

bp


On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Beh

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville 
Christmas bomber" 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.   

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and 
had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was 
Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would 
take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a 
GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to 
power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.

  On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power 
feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus 
battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 
or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Except it just did. 

  On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

  FB alone has about 100 data centers.

  The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables 
running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal 
compass points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB 
cable and then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all 
the routes.  

  Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

  And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

  And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

  Never gonna happen.

  From: Matt Hoppes 

  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired 
again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

  While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed 
at multiple places down the road. 

  Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes 
place. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed 
CME will do it all.

bpOn 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your 
fibers all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back 
together. 

  Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl 
 wrote:

I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and 
communications grid is.

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-27 Thread Jaime Solorza

"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
Christmas bomber"
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double
> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it
> has fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes
> they have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that
> site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more
> than about 10% of the place.
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE
> and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side
> was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it
> would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building
> they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full
> of fuel to power it for 22 days..  This was way before the Internet.
>
> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power
> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus
> battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm
> Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on
> 100 or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
>
> And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Except it just did.
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.
>
>
>
> FB alone has about 100 data centers.
>
>
>
> The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables
> running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal
> compass points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB
> cable and then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit
> all the routes.
>
>
>
> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured
> reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would
> get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would
> just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where
> the servers are.
>
>
>
> And then do that 100 other places at the same time?
>
> And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...
>
>
>
> Never gonna happen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired
> again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed.
>
>
>
> While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed
> at multiple places down the road.
>
>
>
> Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes
> place.
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME
> will do it all.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers
> all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back
> together.
>
>
>
> Y

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

To Sir With Love was not Pet Clark.  Maybe Lulu?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 3:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

First heard that song on AM radio in the 60s when my brother got the mumps and 
we all had to stay indoorsPetula Clark had a great voice...To Sir With Love

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:50 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Now there’s a report the RV played the Petula Clark song “Downtown” before it 
exploded.  I thought of that as an upbeat song, but people are quoting the 
lyrics “when you’re alone and life is making you lonely, you can always go … 
downtown”.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Good thing it's just a movie. 

bp

On 12/27/2020 12:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Theres a box truck in Tennessee now they're investigating playing similar 
audio. 

>From the comments, its gets deeper, I never even considered it a missile. Good 
>thing this commenter was there to let me know 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:59 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Latest on Newsmax is that the RV was filled with discarded trump ballots.

bp

On 12/27/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems credible.  
It also seems to be a matter of public record that he transferred 2 houses to a 
29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.

Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy 
theory.  That seems like pure speculation though.

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Because it's a movie.

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.

Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.

Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion voting 
machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 

This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock 
answer is "Because it's a movie."

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to wher

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-27 Thread Jaime Solorza

First heard that song on AM radio in the 60s when my brother got the mumps
and we all had to stay indoorsPetula Clark had a great voice...To Sir
With Love

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Now there’s a report the RV played the Petula Clark song “Downtown” before
> it exploded.  I thought of that as an upbeat song, but people are quoting
> the lyrics “when you’re alone and life is making you lonely, you can always
> go … downtown”.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:11 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Good thing it's just a movie.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/27/2020 12:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Theres a box truck in Tennessee now they're investigating playing similar
> audio.
>
>
>
> From the comments, its gets deeper, I never even considered it a missile.
> Good thing this commenter was there to let me know
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:59 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Latest on Newsmax is that the RV was filled with discarded trump ballots.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/27/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems
> credible.  It also seems to be a matter of public record that he
> transferred 2 houses to a 29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s
> intriguing.
>
>
>
> Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy
> theory.  That seems like pure speculation though.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Because it's a movie.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.
>
> Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.
>
> Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in
> any voting machine audits.
>
>
>
> Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to
> engender chaos?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion
> voting machines and they were transported to the nashville location for
> audit.
>
> This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is
> absolutely nothing absurd about that story.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
> My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid
> about what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such.
> My stock answer is "Because it's a movie."
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all
> > ex-military,
> > We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> > es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people
> > expect.
> >
> > Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office
> > building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed
> > and trained guards deployed in minutes.
> >
> > On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago,
> >> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns,
> >> tasers and sawzalls.
> >>
> >> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
> >>
> >> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100%
> >>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of
> >>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence
> >>> and then you wo

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That song will always bring back memories of ice skating at the Lloyd Center in 
East Portland in the early 1960s.  The world was happy back then.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Now there’s a report the RV played the Petula Clark song “Downtown” before it 
> exploded.  I thought of that as an upbeat song, but people are quoting the 
> lyrics “when you’re alone and life is making you lonely, you can always go … 
> downtown”.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> Good thing it's just a movie.
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/27/2020 12:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Theres a box truck in Tennessee now they're investigating playing similar 
> audio.
>  
> From the comments, its gets deeper, I never even considered it a missile. 
> Good thing this commenter was there to let me know 
>  
>  
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:59 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> Latest on Newsmax is that the RV was filled with discarded trump ballots.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/27/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems credible.  
> It also seems to be a matter of public record that he transferred 2 houses to 
> a 29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.
>  
> Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy 
> theory.  That seems like pure speculation though.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> Because it's a movie.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.
> Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.
> Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
> voting machine audits. 
>  
> Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
> chaos?
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion 
> voting machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit.
> This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
> absolutely nothing absurd about that story.
>  
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
> 
> My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
> what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My 
> stock answer is "Because it's a movie."
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> > ex-military, 
> > We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> > es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> > expect.
> >
> > Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> > building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> > and trained guards deployed in minutes.
> >
> > On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
> >> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
> >> tasers and sawzalls.
> >>
> >> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
> >>
> >> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
> >>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
> >>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
> >>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
> >>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
> >>
> >> I seriously

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Now there’s a report the RV played the Petula Clark song “Downtown” before it 
exploded.  I thought of that as an upbeat song, but people are quoting the 
lyrics “when you’re alone and life is making you lonely, you can always go … 
downtown”.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Good thing it's just a movie. 

bp

On 12/27/2020 12:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Theres a box truck in Tennessee now they're investigating playing similar 
audio. 

>From the comments, its gets deeper, I never even considered it a missile. Good 
>thing this commenter was there to let me know 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:59 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Latest on Newsmax is that the RV was filled with discarded trump ballots.

bp

On 12/27/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems credible.  
It also seems to be a matter of public record that he transferred 2 houses to a 
29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.

Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy 
theory.  That seems like pure speculation though.

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Because it's a movie.

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.

Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.

Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion voting 
machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 

This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock 
answer is "Because it's a movie."

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security


  
  
Good thing it's just a movie. 

bp

On 12/27/2020 12:05 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  Theres a box truck in Tennessee now they're
investigating playing similar audio.


From the comments, its gets deeper, I never even
  considered it a missile. Good thing this commenter was there
  to let me know 


  
  
  
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 1:59 PM
  Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


  
Latest on Newsmax is that the RV was filled with
  discarded trump ballots.


bp

On 12/27/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
The theory that it was a suicide
  bombing by the MIA RV owner seems credible.  It also
  seems to be a matter of public record that he
  transferred 2 houses to a 29 year old woman via $0
  quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.
 
Some people believe he may have
  targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy theory. 
  That seems like pure speculation though.
 
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  

 
Because it's a movie.
 
bp


  On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck
McCown via AF wrote:


  

  
I don’t
think of AT&T as a data forensic
company.
  
  
Dominion’s
HQs are Denver and Toronto.
  
  
Pretty
sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret
service would be involved in any voting
machine audits.  
  
  
 
  
  
Sounds
totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why
do people want to engender chaos?
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Steve Jones 


  Sent:
  Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
              Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  


   

  
  

  I
  just read on facebook that ATT got the
  contract to audit the dominion voting
  machines and they were transported to the
  nashville location for audit. 
  
This
wasnt a joke meme, this is what people
actually believe. There is absolutely
nothing absurd about that story.
  


   


  
On
Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:
  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Latest on Newsmax is that the RV was filled with discarded trump
  ballots.

bp

On 12/27/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:

The theory that it was a suicide bombing by
  the MIA RV owner seems credible.  It also seems to be a matter
  of public record that he transferred 2 houses to a 29 year old
  woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.

Some people believe he may have targeted
  AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy theory.  That seems like
  pure speculation though.

From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Because it's a movie.

bp

  On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via
AF wrote:

I don’t think
of AT&T as a data forensic company.

Dominion’s HQs
are Denver and Toronto.

Pretty sure the
NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be
involved in any voting machine audits.  

Sounds totally
absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to
engender chaos?

  From:
  Steve Jones 

  Sent:
  Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject:
          Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  I just read
  on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the
  dominion voting machines and they were transported
  to the nashville location for audit. 

This wasnt
a joke meme, this is what people actually
believe. There is absolutely nothing absurd
about that story.

On Sun, Dec
27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when
they do something stupid about what they're
doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such
and such. My stock answer is "Because it's a
movie."

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use
rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
>
We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and
pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood
how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full
batt

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-27 Thread Robert

Which causes you to give away your houses to young women...

On 12/27/20 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

5g reads your mind and causes cancer
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:53 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems 
credible.  It also seems to be a matter of public record that he 
transferred 2 houses to a 29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, 
that’s intriguing.

Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G 
conspiracy theory. That seems like pure speculation though.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Because it's a movie.

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.

Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.

Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be
involved in any voting machine audits.

Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want
to engender chaos?

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the
dominion voting machines and they were transported to the
nashville location for audit.

This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe.
There is absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief>

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do
something stupid about what they're doing wrong, or asking why
they didn't do such and such. My stock answer is "Because it's
a movie."

bp

On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all
> ex-military,
>
We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that
people
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal
office
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of
heavily armed
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in
Chicago,
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and
employed guns,
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>>
https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
<https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
    >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile
huge. 100%
>>> poured reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck
full of
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the
perimeter fence
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative
offices etc.
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going
to think
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog
and pony
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking
anyone's
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they
can kick you
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you
just
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst
thing the
>> property owner could try to get your charged for?
Destruction of
>> property?
>> Disturbing the peace? Trespass

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-27 Thread Jaime Solorza

Several years ago, we worked with Boingo wireless installing a large WiFi
network for barracks at Fort Bliss, Texas.  Cisco APs inside, Siklu and
Bridgewave for longer backhauls and Ubiquiti 3GHz for short ptp barracks to
barracks links.
I was in charge of all the outdoor links and quickly found out how well
these barracks are built.   The walls are 24 inches thick concrete with a
rebar lattice of some type. Took us several tries to find the sweet spot to
drill through without hitting rebar for fiber, power and LAN cabling
feeds,  I had to buy long drill bits for the Hilti drills.  The mounts were
secured with those rugged expanding anchors.   Damn mounts were solid.
We installed some on the foreign soldier barracks in new part of Fort
Bliss...those were different...more like hotels...aluminum siding so we had
to anchor to I-Beams.
Anyways, the older barracks were designed to take hits.


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 9:59 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired
> again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed.
>
> While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed
> at multiple places down the road.
>
> Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes
> place.
>
> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME
> will do it all.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers
> all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back
> together.
>
>
>
> Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe.
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications
> grid is.
>
>
>
> It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large
> power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut
> things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but
> still affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines.
>
>
>
> There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle
> of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple
> grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and
> communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any
> ideas - but still.
>
> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some
> time.
>
> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and
> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a
> massive tin projectile.
>
> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with
> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St
> Louis, Chicago and San Jose?
>
> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns.
>
> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services
> out and data crippled you could do something else even more major.
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

5g reads your mind and causes cancer

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems credible.  
It also seems to be a matter of public record that he transferred 2 houses to a 
29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.

 

Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy 
theory.  That seems like pure speculation though.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Because it's a movie.

 

bpOn 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.

  Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.

  Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

   

  Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

   

  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

   

  I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion 
voting machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 

  This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

   

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid 
about what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My 
stock answer is "Because it's a movie."


bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
>> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
>> property?
>> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
>> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
>> let alone shoot at them.
>>
>> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
>> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
>> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
>> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
>> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
>> software vendor they use (i.e. Sol

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The theory that it was a suicide bombing by the MIA RV owner seems credible.  
It also seems to be a matter of public record that he transferred 2 houses to a 
29 year old woman via $0 quit claim deeds, that’s intriguing.

 

Some people believe he may have targeted AT&T because of a 5G conspiracy 
theory.  That seems like pure speculation though.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Because it's a movie.

 

bp


On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.

Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.

Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

 

Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion voting 
machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 

This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock 
answer is "Because it's a movie."


bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
>> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
>> property?
>> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
>> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
>> let alone shoot at them.
>>
>> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
>> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
>> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
>> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
>> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
>> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

There are 5 million Karens.  They speak their own language.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karenic_languages

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

You dont know what you're talking about, its on Facebook so it is true. Karen 
wouldnt share this if she hadn't done her research

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.

Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.

Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

 

Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion voting 
machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 

This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

 

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock 
answer is "Because it's a movie."


bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
>> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
>> property?
>> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
>> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
>> let alone shoot at them.
>>
>> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
>> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
>> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
>> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
>> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
>> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security


  
  
Because it's a movie.


bp

On 12/27/2020 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.
  Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.
  Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service
would be involved in any voting machine audits.  
   
  Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do
people want to engender chaos?
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  

 
  
  
I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to
  audit the dominion voting machines and they were
  transported to the nashville location for audit.
  This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually
believe. There is absolutely nothing absurd about that
story.

 

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2020,
11:28 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do
something stupid about what they're doing wrong, or
asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock answer
is "Because it's a movie."


bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops,
they were all 
> ex-military, 
>
We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony
show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the
normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full
battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter
robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing
equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a
square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you
had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving
through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some
administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers
are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter
rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone.
They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for
or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you
misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police.
Even if you just 
&

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Zucherberg should be so proud.  Who knew it would be social networks rather 
than nuclear weapons the brought down civilization.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

You dont know what you're talking about, its on Facebook so it is true. Karen 
wouldnt share this if she hadn't done her research

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.
  Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.
  Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

  Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion 
voting machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 
  This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

  On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid 
about what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My 
stock answer is "Because it's a movie."


bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
    >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
>> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
>> property?
>> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
>> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
>> let alone shoot at them.
>>
>> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
>> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
>> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
>> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
>> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
>> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
>>
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You dont know what you're talking about, its on Facebook so it is true.
Karen wouldnt share this if she hadn't done her research

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.
> Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.
> Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in
> any voting machine audits.
>
> Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to
> engender chaos?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
> I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion
> voting machines and they were transported to the nashville location for
> audit.
> This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is
> absolutely nothing absurd about that story.
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid
>> about what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such.
>> My stock answer is "Because it's a movie."
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all
>> > ex-military,
>> > We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
>> > es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people
>> > expect.
>> >
>> > Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office
>> > building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed
>> > and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>> >
>> > On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago,
>> >> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns,
>> >> tasers and sawzalls.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>> >>
>> >> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> >>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100%
>> >>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of
>> >>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence
>> >>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.
>> >>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>> >>
>> >> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think
>> >> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony
>> >> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's
>> >> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you
>> >> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just
>> >> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the
>> >> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of
>> >> property?
>> >> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail
>> >> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability,
>> >> let alone shoot at them.
>> >>
>> >> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different
>> >> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The
>> >> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data
>> >> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to
>> >> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a
>> >> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
>> >>
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I don’t think of AT&T as a data forensic company.
Dominion’s HQs are Denver and Toronto.
Pretty sure the NSA & FBI perhaps the secret service would be involved in any 
voting machine audits.  

Sounds totally absurd and provocative to me.  Why do people want to engender 
chaos?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion voting 
machines and they were transported to the nashville location for audit. 
This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is 
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock 
answer is "Because it's a movie."


  bp
  

  On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
  > I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
  > ex-military, 
  > We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
  > es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
  > expect.
  >
  > Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
  > building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
  > and trained guards deployed in minutes.
  >
  > On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  >> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
  >> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
  >> tasers and sawzalls.
  >>
  >> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
  >>
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  >> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
  >> To: af@af.afmug.com
  >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  >>
  >> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  >>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
  >>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
  >>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
  >>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
  >>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
  >>
  >> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
  >> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
  >> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
  >> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
  >> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
  >> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
  >> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
  >> property?
  >> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
  >> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
  >> let alone shoot at them.
  >>
  >> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
  >> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
  >> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
  >> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
  >> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
  >> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
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I just read on facebook that ATT got the contract to audit the dominion
voting machines and they were transported to the nashville location for
audit.
This wasnt a joke meme, this is what people actually believe. There is
absolutely nothing absurd about that story.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
> My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid
> about what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such.
> My stock answer is "Because it's a movie."
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all
> > ex-military,
> > We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> > es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people
> > expect.
> >
> > Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office
> > building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed
> > and trained guards deployed in minutes.
> >
> > On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago,
> >> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns,
> >> tasers and sawzalls.
> >>
> >> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
> >>
> >> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100%
> >>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of
> >>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence
> >>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.
> >>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
> >>
> >> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think
> >> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony
> >> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's
> >> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you
> >> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just
> >> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the
> >> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of
> >> property?
> >> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail
> >> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability,
> >> let alone shoot at them.
> >>
> >> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different
> >> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The
> >> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data
> >> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to
> >> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a
> >> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid about 
what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and such. My stock 
answer is "Because it's a movie."


bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
> ex-military, 
> We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movi
> es rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people 
> expect.
>
> Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
> building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
> and trained guards deployed in minutes.
>
> On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
>> if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
>> tasers and sawzalls.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>
>> On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
>>> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
>>> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
>>> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  
>>> Not even get close to where the servers are.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
>> they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
>> show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
>> life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
>> out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
>> drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
>> property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
>> property?
>> Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
>> loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
>> let alone shoot at them.
>>
>> US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
>> response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
>> real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
>> electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
>> directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
>> software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).
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My sweetie is always commenting on movies when they do something stupid 
about what they're doing wrong, or asking why they didn't do such and 
such. My stock answer is "Because it's a movie."



bp


On 12/27/2020 9:04 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
ex-military, 
We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movies 
rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people expect.


Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
and trained guards deployed in minutes.


On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, 
if I remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, 
tasers and sawzalls.


https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100%
poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of
anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence
and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not
even get close to where the servers are.


I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's 
life to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you 
out, trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just 
drive through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the 
property owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of 
property?
Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
let alone shoot at them.


US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The 
real threat profile is trying to break in and steal data 
electronically rather than physical. And you don't even need to 
directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft spot at a 
software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).


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2020-12-27 Thread Nate Burke

I though that although the DC's use rent-a-cops, they were all 
ex-military, 
We-can-have-an-arsenal-here-in-2-minutes-just-like-you-see-in-the-movies 
rent-a-cops.  Because that's the dog and pony show that people expect.


Loved the Movie Sneakers, never understood how the normal office 
building full of nerdy engineers had a full battalion of heavily armed 
and trained guards deployed in minutes.


On 12/27/2020 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, if I 
remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, tasers and 
sawzalls.

https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/


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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100%
poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of
anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence
and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not
even get close to where the servers are.


I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think they're 
Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony show. There's 
literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's life to protect at any 
datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you out, trespass you, and/or call 
the real police. Even if you just drive through a gate onto private property 
what's the worst thing the property owner could try to get your charged for? 
Destruction of property?
Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail loss 
prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, let alone 
shoot at them.

US Government facility or military installation, sure, different response. But 
who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The real threat profile is 
trying to break in and steal data electronically rather than physical. And you 
don't even need to directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft 
spot at a software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).

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2020-12-27 Thread Mike Hammett

I heard that the CI Host robberies were some kind of inside job, but I don't 
remember if that was WAGs or something more substantive. 

I had equipment in that CI Host facility around that time. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 9:52:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 

I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, if I 
remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, tasers and 
sawzalls. 

https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/ 

-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 

On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 
> Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% 
> poured reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of 
> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc. Not 
> even get close to where the servers are. 

I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think they're 
Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony show. There's 
literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's life to protect at any 
datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you out, trespass you, and/or call 
the real police. Even if you just drive through a gate onto private property 
what's the worst thing the property owner could try to get your charged for? 
Destruction of property? 
Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail loss 
prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, let alone 
shoot at them. 

US Government facility or military installation, sure, different response. But 
who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The real threat profile is 
trying to break in and steal data electronically rather than physical. And you 
don't even need to directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft 
spot at a software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds). 

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I remember when there was a rash of datacenter robberies in Chicago, if I 
remember right they were stealing equipment and employed guns, tasers and 
sawzalls.

https://www.theregister.com/2007/11/02/chicaco_datacenter_breaches/

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% 
> poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of 
> anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence 
> and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not 
> even get close to where the servers are.

I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think they're 
Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony show. There's 
literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's life to protect at any 
datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you out, trespass you, and/or call 
the real police. Even if you just drive through a gate onto private property 
what's the worst thing the property owner could try to get your charged for? 
Destruction of property? 
Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail loss 
prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, let alone 
shoot at them.

US Government facility or military installation, sure, different response. But 
who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The real threat profile is 
trying to break in and steal data electronically rather than physical. And you 
don't even need to directly attack the government to do that; just find a soft 
spot at a software vendor they use (i.e. Solarwinds).

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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 12/26/20 9:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge. 100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you 
would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you 
would just wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close 
to where the servers are.



I seriously doubt that any datacenter rent-a-cops are going to think 
they're Judge Dredd and open fire on anyone. They're a dog and pony 
show. There's literally nothing worth dying for or risking anyone's life 
to protect at any datacenter. If you misbehave they can kick you out, 
trespass you, and/or call the real police. Even if you just drive 
through a gate onto private property what's the worst thing the property 
owner could try to get your charged for? Destruction of property? 
Disturbing the peace? Trespassing? Tell you to not come back? Retail 
loss prevention can't even stop shoplifters anymore due to liability, 
let alone shoot at them.


US Government facility or military installation, sure, different 
response. But who's gonna set up a hardware heist these days? The real 
threat profile is trying to break in and steal data electronically 
rather than physical. And you don't even need to directly attack the 
government to do that; just find a soft spot at a software vendor they 
use (i.e. Solarwinds).


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Entropy = 1/love

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I had a professor who summed up the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics as "things
> never get better, they always get worse."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
> To: Chuck McCown via AF 
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
> 
> Ps82:6 sums up my worldview.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> 
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I had a professor who summed up the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics as "things
never get better, they always get worse."

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
To: Chuck McCown via AF 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Ps82:6 sums up my worldview.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
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Adding that to my list of things I never thought I'd see.



On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 7:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Does this list strip .kmz files?  If not, this seems to be where people
> think the RV used to be parked.  Also visible in Streetview.
>
>
>
> Tips came from neighbors who thought it looked like the RV in photos the
> police were circulating.  Guy owned an alarm company, and Internet sleuths
> claim he transferred his house for $0 to a much younger California woman.
> But not the AT&T girl, I figured he would turn out to be an incel who was
> mad at AT&T because Lily wouldn’t have sex with him.
>
>
>
> The guy and his RV seem to have vanished.  H.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:50 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I was thinking the second scenario.  And unless evidence suggests
> otherwise, ANFO would seem to be the car/truck bomb explosive of choice
> (unless you’re Mossad taking out Iranian scientists then you have access to
> the professional grade stuff).
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Tannerite requires 2100fps iirc.  May have been shooting the tannerite and
> the round couldn't get to velocity at that close, or he had a timer with
> the recording and wanted to make sure he didnt stop it and painted the
> ceiling. I keep looking at tannerite or any other low explosive because of
> its ease to obtain or manufacture. And the relative little damage.
>
>
>
> I was also told today that Donald Junior was in town, and is under
> investigation.
>
>
>
> Both my theory and that theory carry the same weight.
>
>
>
> Neighbor claims the guy was self employed in IT so the ATT theories are
> seeming more probable.
>
>
>
> It wasnt me, fyi
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Hints seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been one guy, he was
> in the RV when it exploded, and the target was AT&T.  Also people
> apparently really heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to
> lure in the police, so what does that suggest may have happened?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Human nature provides security.
>
> Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.
>
>
>
> And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make
> anything secure is a joke.
>
>
>
> A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east
> coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north
> american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.
>
>
>
> A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out
> enough towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being
> cleared first.
>
>
>
> This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus
> where it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will
> develop new best practices.
>
>
>
> 9/11 was low tech.
>
>
>
> Oklahoma city was low tech.
>
>
>
> We didnt defeat the British with high tech.
>
>
>
> Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly
> available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated
> guy can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can
> shut down a nation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any
> ideas - but still.
>
> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some
> time.
>
> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and
> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a
> massive tin projectile.
>
> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with
> explosives in a coordinated atta

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Haha, literally laughing out loud. Ken said incel

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 7:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Does this list strip .kmz files?  If not, this seems to be where people
> think the RV used to be parked.  Also visible in Streetview.
>
>
>
> Tips came from neighbors who thought it looked like the RV in photos the
> police were circulating.  Guy owned an alarm company, and Internet sleuths
> claim he transferred his house for $0 to a much younger California woman.
> But not the AT&T girl, I figured he would turn out to be an incel who was
> mad at AT&T because Lily wouldn’t have sex with him.
>
>
>
> The guy and his RV seem to have vanished.  H.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:50 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> I was thinking the second scenario.  And unless evidence suggests
> otherwise, ANFO would seem to be the car/truck bomb explosive of choice
> (unless you’re Mossad taking out Iranian scientists then you have access to
> the professional grade stuff).
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Tannerite requires 2100fps iirc.  May have been shooting the tannerite and
> the round couldn't get to velocity at that close, or he had a timer with
> the recording and wanted to make sure he didnt stop it and painted the
> ceiling. I keep looking at tannerite or any other low explosive because of
> its ease to obtain or manufacture. And the relative little damage.
>
>
>
> I was also told today that Donald Junior was in town, and is under
> investigation.
>
>
>
> Both my theory and that theory carry the same weight.
>
>
>
> Neighbor claims the guy was self employed in IT so the ATT theories are
> seeming more probable.
>
>
>
> It wasnt me, fyi
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Hints seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been one guy, he was
> in the RV when it exploded, and the target was AT&T.  Also people
> apparently really heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to
> lure in the police, so what does that suggest may have happened?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Human nature provides security.
>
> Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.
>
>
>
> And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make
> anything secure is a joke.
>
>
>
> A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east
> coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north
> american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.
>
>
>
> A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out
> enough towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being
> cleared first.
>
>
>
> This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus
> where it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will
> develop new best practices.
>
>
>
> 9/11 was low tech.
>
>
>
> Oklahoma city was low tech.
>
>
>
> We didnt defeat the British with high tech.
>
>
>
> Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly
> available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated
> guy can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can
> shut down a nation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any
> ideas - but still.
>
> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some
> time.
>
> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and
> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a
> massive tin projectile.
>
> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with
> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NY

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Ps82:6 sums up my worldview.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 


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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Jaques Rousseau vs David Hume

I inherently trust people.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I disagree. Human nature is evil. It’s only by God’s grace we don’t have more 
> horrible things happen. 
> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Human nature provides security. 
>> Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff. 
>>  
>> And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.
>>  
>> From: Steve Jones
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>  
>> There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make 
>> anything secure is a joke.
>>  
>> A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east 
>> coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north 
>> american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.
>>  
>> A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out 
>> enough towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being 
>> cleared first.
>>  
>> This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus 
>> where it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will 
>> develop new best practices.
>>  
>> 9/11 was low tech. 
>>  
>> Oklahoma city was low tech.
>>  
>> We didnt defeat the British with high tech.
>>  
>> Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly 
>> available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated guy 
>> can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can shut 
>> down a nation.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>>> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any 
>>> ideas - but still. 
>>> 
>>> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some 
>>> time. 
>>> 
>>> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and 
>>> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
>>> massive tin projectile. 
>>> 
>>> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
>>> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St 
>>> Louis, Chicago and San Jose?
>>> 
>>> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 
>>> 
>>> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services 
>>> out and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Looking back in the GE history (to as far back as 1999), the RV
  has moved between being parked in the driveway and alternately in
  the back yard.

bp

On 12/26/2020 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Does this list strip .kmz files?  If not,
  this seems to be where people think the RV used to be parked. 
  Also visible in Streetview.
 
Tips came from neighbors who thought it
  looked like the RV in photos the police were circulating.  Guy
  owned an alarm company, and Internet sleuths claim he
  transferred his house for $0 to a much younger California
  woman.  But not the AT&T girl, I figured he would turn out
  to be an incel who was mad at AT&T because Lily wouldn’t
  have sex with him.
 
The guy and his RV seem to have vanished. 
  H.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Ken
  Hohhof
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:50 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  

 
I was thinking the second scenario.  And
  unless evidence suggests otherwise, ANFO would seem to be the
  car/truck bomb explosive of choice (unless you’re Mossad
  taking out Iranian scientists then you have access to the
  professional grade stuff).
 

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On
  Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

  Tannerite requires 2100fps iirc.  May
have been shooting the tannerite and the round couldn't get
to velocity at that close, or he had a timer with the
recording and wanted to make sure he didnt stop it and
painted the ceiling. I keep looking at tannerite or any
other low explosive because of its ease to obtain or
manufacture. And the relative little damage.
  
 
  
  
I was also told today that Donald
  Junior was in town, and is under investigation.
  
  
 
  
  
Both my theory and that theory carry
  the same weight.
  
  
 
  
  
Neighbor claims the guy was self
  employed in IT so the ATT theories are seeming more
  probable.
  
  
 
  
  
It wasnt me, fyi
  

 

  
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:07 PM Ken
  Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
  
  

  
Hints
  seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been
  one guy, he was in the RV when it exploded, and the
  target was AT&T.  Also people apparently really
  heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to
  lure in the police, so what does that suggest may have
  happened?
 

  
From:
  AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
  Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  

 

  

  Human
  nature provides security.  


  Most
  healthy humans will not do this type of
  stuff.  


   


  And bad
  guys are notorious for being idiots.


  

   


  
From:
Steve Jones 
  
  
Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Does this list strip .kmz files?  If not, this seems to be where people think 
the RV used to be parked.  Also visible in Streetview.

 

Tips came from neighbors who thought it looked like the RV in photos the police 
were circulating.  Guy owned an alarm company, and Internet sleuths claim he 
transferred his house for $0 to a much younger California woman.  But not the 
AT&T girl, I figured he would turn out to be an incel who was mad at AT&T 
because Lily wouldn’t have sex with him.

 

The guy and his RV seem to have vanished.  H.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:50 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

I was thinking the second scenario.  And unless evidence suggests otherwise, 
ANFO would seem to be the car/truck bomb explosive of choice (unless you’re 
Mossad taking out Iranian scientists then you have access to the professional 
grade stuff).

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Tannerite requires 2100fps iirc.  May have been shooting the tannerite and the 
round couldn't get to velocity at that close, or he had a timer with the 
recording and wanted to make sure he didnt stop it and painted the ceiling. I 
keep looking at tannerite or any other low explosive because of its ease to 
obtain or manufacture. And the relative little damage.

 

I was also told today that Donald Junior was in town, and is under 
investigation.

 

Both my theory and that theory carry the same weight.

 

Neighbor claims the guy was self employed in IT so the ATT theories are seeming 
more probable.

 

It wasnt me, fyi

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Hints seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been one guy, he was in 
the RV when it exploded, and the target was AT&T.  Also people apparently 
really heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to lure in the 
police, so what does that suggest may have happened?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Human nature provides security.  

Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.  

 

And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make 
anything secure is a joke. 

 

A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east 
coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north 
american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.

 

A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out enough 
towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being cleared first.

 

This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus where 
it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will develop new 
best practices.

 

9/11 was low tech.  

 

Oklahoma city was low tech.

 

We didnt defeat the British with high tech.

 

Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly 
available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated guy 
can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can shut 
down a nation.

 

 

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose?

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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I was thinking the second scenario.  And unless evidence suggests otherwise, 
ANFO would seem to be the car/truck bomb explosive of choice (unless you’re 
Mossad taking out Iranian scientists then you have access to the professional 
grade stuff).

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 5:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Tannerite requires 2100fps iirc.  May have been shooting the tannerite and the 
round couldn't get to velocity at that close, or he had a timer with the 
recording and wanted to make sure he didnt stop it and painted the ceiling. I 
keep looking at tannerite or any other low explosive because of its ease to 
obtain or manufacture. And the relative little damage.

I was also told today that Donald Junior was in town, and is under 
investigation.

Both my theory and that theory carry the same weight.

Neighbor claims the guy was self employed in IT so the ATT theories are seeming 
more probable.

It wasnt me, fyi

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Hints seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been one guy, he was in 
the RV when it exploded, and the target was AT&T.  Also people apparently 
really heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to lure in the 
police, so what does that suggest may have happened?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Human nature provides security.  

Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.  

And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make 
anything secure is a joke. 

A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east 
coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north 
american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.

A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out enough 
towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being cleared first.

This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus where 
it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will develop new 
best practices.

9/11 was low tech.  

Oklahoma city was low tech.

We didnt defeat the British with high tech.

Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly 
available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated guy 
can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can shut 
down a nation.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose?

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Sometimes. 


Most of the ones by us have a single fiber\copper entrance, power entrances, 
single string of batteries, etc. DeKalb is the exception, with two cable 
entrances. We're the first one not Frontier to use both cable entrances. 
There's also three battery arrays. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:50:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 



I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations. (plus battery and 
diesel backup) Fiber routes probably similar. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM 
To: Matt Hoppes ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group  
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 




It didn’t. One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters. This is the rude fart of an anarchist. 

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville... 






From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 




Except it just did. 






On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 









My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit. 



FB alone has about 100 data centers. 



The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points. Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down. You will have to hit all the routes. 



Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% poured 
reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc. Not even get close to where the servers 
are. 



And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon... 



Never gonna happen. 










From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 




Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 



While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 



Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 






On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 






You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will 
do it all. 
bp  

On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 


At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force. 



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 


Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all 
down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 



Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 







On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 







I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid 
is. 



It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large 
power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things 
at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect 
metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 



There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of 
nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and 
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This 
would hurt more than any single location attack. 





On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 


I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Loui

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Tannerite requires 2100fps iirc.  May have been shooting the tannerite and
the round couldn't get to velocity at that close, or he had a timer with
the recording and wanted to make sure he didnt stop it and painted the
ceiling. I keep looking at tannerite or any other low explosive because of
its ease to obtain or manufacture. And the relative little damage.

I was also told today that Donald Junior was in town, and is under
investigation.

Both my theory and that theory carry the same weight.

Neighbor claims the guy was self employed in IT so the ATT theories are
seeming more probable.

It wasnt me, fyi

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Hints seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been one guy, he was
> in the RV when it exploded, and the target was AT&T.  Also people
> apparently really heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to
> lure in the police, so what does that suggest may have happened?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> Human nature provides security.
>
> Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.
>
>
>
> And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>
>
>
> There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make
> anything secure is a joke.
>
>
>
> A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east
> coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north
> american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.
>
>
>
> A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out
> enough towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being
> cleared first.
>
>
>
> This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus
> where it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will
> develop new best practices.
>
>
>
> 9/11 was low tech.
>
>
>
> Oklahoma city was low tech.
>
>
>
> We didnt defeat the British with high tech.
>
>
>
> Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly
> available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated
> guy can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can
> shut down a nation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any
> ideas - but still.
>
> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some
> time.
>
> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and
> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a
> massive tin projectile.
>
> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with
> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St
> Louis, Chicago and San Jose?
>
> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns.
>
> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services
> out and data crippled you could do something else even more major.
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Hints seem to be coming out they suspect it may have been one guy, he was in 
the RV when it exploded, and the target was AT&T.  Also people apparently 
really heard gunshots beforehand, that wasn’t a fake call to lure in the 
police, so what does that suggest may have happened?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Human nature provides security.  

Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.  

And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make 
anything secure is a joke. 

A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east 
coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north 
american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.

A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out enough 
towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being cleared first.

This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus where 
it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will develop new 
best practices.

9/11 was low tech.  

Oklahoma city was low tech.

We didnt defeat the British with high tech.

Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly 
available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated guy 
can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can shut 
down a nation.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose?

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Those companies take resiliency, restoration, and downtime more seriously than 
most, especially telcos. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:14:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 




My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit. 

FB alone has about 100 data centers. 

The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points. Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down. You will have to hit all the routes. 

Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% poured 
reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc. Not even get close to where the servers 
are. 

And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 
And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon... 

Never gonna happen. 






From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 


Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 

Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 



On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote: 







You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will 
do it all. 
bp
 
On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 




At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force. 



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 


Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all 
down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 



Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 






On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 







I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid 
is. 



It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large 
power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things 
at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect 
metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 



There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of 
nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and 
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This 
would hurt more than any single location attack. 





On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 


I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose? 

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Can be, but telcos (at least Frontier) are terribly slow at any remedies. 
Someone near me just suffered a 25-hour outage on a 10G Frontier circuit. 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:52:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security 

Fiber can be fixed in a matter of hours. All critical stuff has multiple route 
diversity. Chicken little stuff. 


Sent from my iPhone 



On Dec 26, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote: 







Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all 
down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 


Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 



On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote: 







I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid 
is. 


It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large 
power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things 
at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect 
metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 


There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of 
nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and 
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This 
would hurt more than any single location attack. 




On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 


I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose? 

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Matt Hoppes

I disagree. Human nature is evil. It’s only by God’s grace we don’t have more 
horrible things happen. 

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Human nature provides security. 
> Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff. 
>  
> And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make 
> anything secure is a joke.
>  
> A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east 
> coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north 
> american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.
>  
> A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out 
> enough towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being 
> cleared first.
>  
> This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus where 
> it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will develop new 
> best practices.
>  
> 9/11 was low tech. 
>  
> Oklahoma city was low tech.
>  
> We didnt defeat the British with high tech.
>  
> Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly 
> available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated guy 
> can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can shut 
> down a nation.
>  
>  
>  
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
>> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any 
>> ideas - but still. 
>> 
>> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some 
>> time. 
>> 
>> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and 
>> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
>> massive tin projectile. 
>> 
>> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
>> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St 
>> Louis, Chicago and San Jose?
>> 
>> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 
>> 
>> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
>> and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Human nature provides security.  
Most healthy humans will not do this type of stuff.  

And bad guys are notorious for being idiots.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make 
anything secure is a joke. 

A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east 
coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north 
american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.

A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out enough 
towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being cleared first.

This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus where 
it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will develop new 
best practices.

9/11 was low tech.  

Oklahoma city was low tech.

We didnt defeat the British with high tech.

Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly 
available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated guy 
can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can shut 
down a nation.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any 
ideas - but still. 

  What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

  Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and 
planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive 
tin projectile. 

  How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose?

  Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

  You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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There are so many vulnerabilities that trying to pretend anyone can make
anything secure is a joke.

A crew of 12 or less with a handful of gas bucksaws can shut the east
coast/west coast rail transit down, and the result will be the entire north
american rail system to be shut down until every inch of track is inspected.

A couple dozen pounds of tannerite and a handful of people can take out
enough towercoms that no shelter in the US can be entered without being
cleared first.

This attack, whether or not it was directed at att or not puts the onus
where it belongs again, on the service provider. The post morten will
develop new best practices.

9/11 was low tech.

Oklahoma city was low tech.

We didnt defeat the British with high tech.

Low tech will always be the biggest of threats. A little bit of publicly
available info combined with a little industry knowledge and a motivated
guy can wreak a whole lot of havoc and a group of motivated individuals can
shut down a nation.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any
> ideas - but still.
>
> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some
> time.
>
> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and
> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a
> massive tin projectile.
>
> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with
> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St
> Louis, Chicago and San Jose?
>
> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns.
>
> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services
> out and data crippled you could do something else even more major.
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I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah.  Plus double 
redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power.  Its own substation.  Plus it has 
fiber from others that I did not put in.  So who knows how many routes they 
have out of town.  And this is just the first phase of four for that site.  
Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% 
of the place.   

From: Robert 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had 
power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side was Canadian 
and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident that it would take a CME 
to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power 
turbine for the off grid power.   With a building full of fuel to power it for 
22 days..  This was way before the Internet.

On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power 
feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus 
battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
  To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 
or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

  And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

  From: Matt Hoppes 

  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Except it just did. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

FB alone has about 100 data centers.

The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables 
running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal 
compass points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB 
cable and then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all 
the routes.  

Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

Never gonna happen.

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired 
again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed 
at multiple places down the road. 

Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 

  On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME 
will do it all.

bpOn 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your 
fibers all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back 
together. 

Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

  On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and 
communications grid is.

  It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at 
large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut 
things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still 
affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

  There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the 
middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multipl

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Robert

The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE 
and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one 
side was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They felt confident 
that it would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded 
building they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power.   With a 
building full of fuel to power it for 22 days..  This was way before the 
Internet.


On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant 
power feeds out opposite sides of the building to different 
substations.  (plus battery and diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably 
similar.


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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
*To:* Matt Hoppes ; AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group 

*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack 
on 100 or 1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.


And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

*From:*Matt Hoppes

*Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Except it just did.



On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:



My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

FB alone has about 100 data centers.

The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large
cables running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in
all the ordinal compass points.  Just knowing which gravel road
out in the country has a FB cable and then cutting it, does not
take them down.  You will have to hit all the routes.

Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100%
poured reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of
anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter
fence and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices
etc.  Not even get close to where the servers are.

And then do that 100 other places at the same time?

And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

Never gonna happen.

*From:*Matt Hoppes

*Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then
repaired again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data
center is destroyed.

While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being
destroyed at multiple places down the road.

Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort
takes place.



On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:



You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One
well-timed CME will do it all.

bp



On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up.
But your fibers all down. In 5 places. But you only find
out once you get one back together.

Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because
we’re safe.




On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:



I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power
and communications grid is.

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers,
plant bombs at large power transmission lines and then
sync it all together to explode, cut things at the
same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only
but still affect metros since they all feed from rural
power and fiber lines.

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring
things in the middle of nowhere. If this was done over
multiple states and targeted multiple grids and
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power
and communication. This would hurt more than any
single location attack.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1989-03-11-8903250918-story.html

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Was it Chicago that had the mother’s day fire in a large C.O.?  That took some 
time to fix.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Except it just did. 

  On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

  FB alone has about 100 data centers.

  The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the routes. 

  Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

  And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

  And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

  Never gonna happen.

  From: Matt Hoppes 

  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

  While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 

  Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME 
will do it all.

bpOn 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers 
all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 

  Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and 
communications grid is.

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at 
large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut 
things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still 
affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the 
middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple 
grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and 
communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone 
any ideas - but still. 

  What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for 
some time. 

  Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort 
and planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
massive tin projectile. 

  How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded 
with explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Bro

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Was it Chicago that had the mother’s day fire in a large C.O.?  That took some 
time to fix.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Except it just did. 

  On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

  FB alone has about 100 data centers.

  The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the routes. 

  Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

  And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

  And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

  Never gonna happen.

  From: Matt Hoppes 

  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

  While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 

  Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME 
will do it all.

bpOn 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers 
all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 

  Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and 
communications grid is.

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at 
large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut 
things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still 
affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the 
middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple 
grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and 
communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone 
any ideas - but still. 

  What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for 
some time. 

  Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort 
and planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
massive tin projectile. 

  How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded 
with explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St 
Louis, Chicago and San Jose?

  Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

  You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 
services out and data crippled you could do somet

Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

We now know who the Sun is, but I don’t want to post any spoilers for anyone 
who hasn’t watched The Masked Singer finale.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

CME = Coronal Mass Ejection

It is timed according to the whims of the sun.

bp

On 12/26/2020 9:19 AM, Robert wrote:

How do you time a CME?   I guess you can jump into action with the pre-impact 
warning of 1-2 days?

On 12/26/20 8:53 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will 
do it all.

bp

On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all 
down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 

Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid 
is.

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large 
power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things 
at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect 
metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of 
nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and 
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This 
would hurt more than any single location attack. 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose?

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds 
out opposite sides of the building to different substations.  (plus battery and 
diesel backup)  Fiber routes probably similar.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
To: Matt Hoppes ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.

And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Except it just did. 





On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

 

FB alone has about 100 data centers.

 

The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the routes. 
 

 

Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

 

And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 

And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

 

Never gonna happen.

 

 

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

 

While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 

 

Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 





On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will 
do it all.

 

bp


On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

 

Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all 
down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 

 

Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 






On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:



I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid 
is.

 

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large 
power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things 
at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect 
metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

 

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of 
nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and 
fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This 
would hurt more than any single location attack. 

 

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas 
- but still. 

What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. 

Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning 
and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin 
projectile. 

How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, 
Chicago and San Jose?

Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services out 
and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
CME = Coronal Mass Ejection
It is timed according to the whims of the sun.


bp

On 12/26/2020 9:19 AM, Robert wrote:


  
  How do you time a CME?   I guess you can
jump into action with the pre-impact warning of 1-2 days?
  
  On 12/26/20 8:53 AM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One
  well-timed CME will do it all.


bp

On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
At least the satellites are safe, we
  have Space Force.
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
  

 

  Never thought about that. Yo get the
data center back up. But your fibers all down. In 5
places. But you only find out once you get one back
together. 


   


  Yeah. We’re safe because no one has
done it. Not because we’re safe. 


  


  
On Dec
  26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
  wrote:
  


  


  I've thought about how vulnerable
the entire US power and communications grid is.
  
 
  
  
It would be so easy to cut
  multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large
  power transmission lines and then sync it all
  together to explode, cut things at the same time.
  It could easily be done in rural areas only but
  still affect metros since they all feed from rural
  power and fiber lines. 
  
  
 
  
  
There's also no cameras or as
  many people monitoring things in the middle of
  nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and
  targeted multiple grids and fibers, you could
  almost knock out 90% of all power and
  communication. This would hurt more than any
  single location attack. 
  
  
 
  

 

  
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM
  Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
  wrote:
  
  
I hesitated on where to post
  this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas
  - but still. 
  
  What happened in Nashville has actually been a
  concern of mine for some time. 
  
  Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took
  a lot of effort and planning and getting through
  security and learning to basically fly a massive
  tin projectile. 
  
  How much more damage could a small group do with 5
  or 6 vans loaded with explosives in a coordinated
  attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis,
  Chicago and San Jose?
  
  Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some
  major towns. 
  
  You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And
  now with 911 services out and data crippled you
  could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 
1000 datacenters.  This is the rude fart of an anarchist.
And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville...

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

Except it just did. 

  On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.

  FB alone has about 100 data centers.

  The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the routes. 

  Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get 
shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe 
out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the servers 
are.  

  And then do that 100 other places at the same time? 
  And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...

  Never gonna happen.

  From: Matt Hoppes 
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. 

  While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
multiple places down the road. 

  Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME 
will do it all.

bp
On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers 
all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 

  Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and 
communications grid is.

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at 
large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut 
things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still 
affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the 
middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple 
grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and 
communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone 
any ideas - but still. 

  What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for 
some time. 

  Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort 
and planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
massive tin projectile. 

  How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded 
with explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St 
Louis, Chicago and San Jose?

  Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

  You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 
services out and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I have triple physical route redundancy out of my C.O.

And I am a tiny guy.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I'm not even saying target buildings. If you simply targeted lots of rural 
fiber handholes and some power transmission lines across the country or even 
just a single state, you can do some real damage. One fiber cut takes 4 to 24 
hours to repair depending who owns it, how close the contractor is, etc. If you 
own the fiber and have your own gear it might take 4 hours. If it's Zayo, 
expect 16+ hours typically. 

But if you put a small bomb in multiple hand holes along major fiber routes, it 
could take days to fix everything. And taking down power lines, again multiple 
ones, could take days to restore power for people. This would cause mass panic. 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 11:19 AM Robert  wrote:

  How do you time a CME?   I guess you can jump into action with the pre-impact 
warning of 1-2 days?

  On 12/26/20 8:53 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME 
will do it all.

bp
On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

  Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers 
all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. 

  Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. 

On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and 
communications grid is.

It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at 
large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut 
things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still 
affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. 

There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the 
middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple 
grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and 
communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone 
any ideas - but still. 

  What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for 
some time. 

  Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort 
and planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
massive tin projectile. 

  How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded 
with explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St 
Louis, Chicago and San Jose?

  Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 

  You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 
services out and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

2020-12-26 Thread Matt Hoppes

Except it just did. 

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit.
>  
> FB alone has about 100 data centers.
>  
> The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running 
> hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass 
> points.  Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and 
> then cutting it, does not take them down.  You will have to hit all the 
> routes. 
>  
> Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a square mile huge.  100% poured 
> reinforced concrete.  Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would 
> get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just 
> wipe out some administrative offices etc.  Not even get close to where the 
> servers are. 
>  
> And then do that 100 other places at the same time?
> And then you only got FB.  Google, Amazon...
>  
> Never gonna happen.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>  
> Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. 
> It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed.
>  
> While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at 
> multiple places down the road.
>  
> Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place.
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME 
>> will do it all.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force.
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
>>>  
>>> Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers 
>>> all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together.
>>>  
>>> Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications 
>>> grid is.
>>>  
>>> It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large 
>>> power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut 
>>> things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but 
>>> still affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines.
>>>  
>>> There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle 
>>> of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple 
>>> grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and 
>>> communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any 
>>> ideas - but still. 
>>> 
>>> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some 
>>> time. 
>>> 
>>> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and 
>>> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a 
>>> massive tin projectile. 
>>> 
>>> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with 
>>> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St 
>>> Louis, Chicago and San Jose?
>>> 
>>> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. 
>>> 
>>> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. And now with 911 services 
>>> out and data crippled you could do something else even more major. 
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