Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Drupal /ˈdruːpəl/[4] is a free and open-source content-management framework written in PHP and distributed under the GNU General Public License.[3][5][6] It is used as a back-end framework for at least 2.1% of all Web sites worldwide[7][8] ranging from personal blogs to corporate, political, and government sites including WhiteHouse.gov and data.gov.uk.[9] It is also used for knowledge management and business collaboration.[10] ---Wikipedia From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I refuse to use any CMS system of any kind because they're easily exploited. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: David dmilho...@wletc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:17:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Interesting, We use drupal for this site so its possible not sure how it happened because its sits on a Lamp stack server. Thanks Dave On 03/03/2015 10:46 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: FYI David Inline image 1 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Yes, I love my 3.65 deployment thus far and not looking back. Steadily moving with more tower growth and more deployments. We have 4 sites scheduled this year to go on and 1 is completed working 2 this next quarter. We are doing a full 3.65 on each site and adding 5Ghz 450 where it makes sense. On 03/03/2015 09:23 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: We love 5.15-5.25 though. So far our customer testing is showing performance very close to our 3.65 due to the low noise floor, and I know you've been reading about how the 3.65 is doing. Patrick Telrad On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:03 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Agreed but now there could be less room for additional development of other wireless devices. Also, if they would stay on on side of the band would be nice like 5.1 Still plenty of room for us. On 03/03/2015 06:31 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: That's called malicious interference and can and should get you fined and shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, especially given that it is a population that is largely politically conservative. On Mar 2, 2015 12:16 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies not to mess with WISP’s spectrum. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/ Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com [this is my corporate address] -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com [this is my corporate address]
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] For Free GD26-MT
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode. It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people. There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this scenario. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I also have a ticket in about this issue. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: This is known to them? (powercode) On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: yes, they're aware of it. i pointed this out to them weeks ago. :( - Original Message - *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2015 2:06 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I am able to replicate a small issue we are having, trying to make the decision of whether it looks like a security issue or just a bug. Through powercode, there are two ways to update equipment, through our interface, where we select all the details and through the customer portal where all the customers can do is update their MAC address. no problems with our end. However, when a customer updates their MAC address, it is assigning IP space that apparently belongs to this Commerzbank IP space 208.74.54.100 and 208.74.54.99. This IP space is absolutely not in our system, and wouldnt route naturally on our network Net Range 208.74.52.0 - 208.74.55.255 CIDR 208.74.52.0/22 Name DKIB-USA Handle NET-208-74-52-0-1 Parent NET208 (NET-208-0-0-0-0 http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-0-0-0-0.html) Net Type Direct Assignment Origin AS Organization Commerzbank AG (COMMER-109 http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/COMMER-109.html) My initial thoughts are this is some bug in powercode. Paranoid me is that our system is somehow compromised and rerouting illegitimate traffic somehow. Customer is down, so not through them. but something like TOR rerouting or some other magician script for the axis of evil. Anybody have any ideas on this? I am debating taking our billing server offline, but would hate to take such an extreme measure for what could amount to nothing more than a fat finger from a programmer. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
No, mine is handing out IPs in the completely wrong IP block and VLAN, and occasionally private IPs that do not exist on my network. I haven't seen any IPs in that block. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: is it the same IPs being handed out that you guys are seeing? Youd think this would be a priority fix for them On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I also have a ticket in about this issue. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: This is known to them? (powercode) On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: yes, they're aware of it. i pointed this out to them weeks ago. :( - Original Message - *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2015 2:06 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I am able to replicate a small issue we are having, trying to make the decision of whether it looks like a security issue or just a bug. Through powercode, there are two ways to update equipment, through our interface, where we select all the details and through the customer portal where all the customers can do is update their MAC address. no problems with our end. However, when a customer updates their MAC address, it is assigning IP space that apparently belongs to this Commerzbank IP space 208.74.54.100 and 208.74.54.99. This IP space is absolutely not in our system, and wouldnt route naturally on our network Net Range 208.74.52.0 - 208.74.55.255 CIDR 208.74.52.0/22 Name DKIB-USA Handle NET-208-74-52-0-1 Parent NET208 (NET-208-0-0-0-0 http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-0-0-0-0.html) Net Type Direct Assignment Origin AS Organization Commerzbank AG (COMMER-109 http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/COMMER-109.html) My initial thoughts are this is some bug in powercode. Paranoid me is that our system is somehow compromised and rerouting illegitimate traffic somehow. Customer is down, so not through them. but something like TOR rerouting or some other magician script for the axis of evil. Anybody have any ideas on this? I am debating taking our billing server offline, but would hate to take such an extreme measure for what could amount to nothing more than a fat finger from a programmer. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually clear out his IP address in Powercode in order for the BMU to hand out a reservation for 192.168.3.36 via DHCP. At this point, we are going to contact our network engineers for assistance in troubleshooting why this customer would receive a 192.170.xx.xx reservation, as this IP does not fit within any ranges defined in Powercode. We will update you as soon as we've had a chance to go over this with them. -- Have you visited our knowledge base? The Powercode knowledge base contains data on all aspects of Powercode, including the BMU. You may also find useful information on our community forum. We endeavor to respond to all tickets within two business days. Our business hours are Monday - Friday, 9AM to 5PM Central time. Please contact us via telephone at (920) 351-1010 or via Skype at powercode_support with any urgent needs. -- John Mahnke Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS powercode.com P: 920-351-1010 E: supp...@powercode.com - Original Message - *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2015 9:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I also have a ticket in about this issue. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: This is known to them? (powercode) On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 3:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: yes, they're aware of it. i pointed this out to them weeks ago. :( - Original Message - *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SXT AC, feedback?
Ubiquiti AC gear is working great on the latest beta. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Remember that Mikrotik stuff is only certified for 5.8. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, March 8, 2015 4:38:30 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik SXT AC, feedback? Anyone used the mikrotik AC stuff? CPE and 90* AP? Really want to get some AC stuff in the air but no one can deliver at the moment, mikrotik is the only thing really available? Cheap enough and we are testing on pico cell's anyway (micro pops) TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Liquid tight non metallic conduit, and sunlight
It holds up very well from what I've seen. Most of the AC units have it leading to the power junction on the side of the home here in Utah. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:58 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Stuff like this: http://www.carlonsales.com/carflexliquidtightnmconduit.php Anyone in the US Southwest or other places with harsh sunlight have experience on how long this holds up outdoors over multi-year time periods? Advice?
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
The second one are the ones that I use. They work awesome. I just 'lock' them with a zip tie. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:16 AM, SmarterBroadband li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote: How about this? https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00 $2.99 if you buy 25+ Or https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00 $1.45 at 25+ Adam -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box?? Still looking for a simple junction box to cover existing Cat5 coming out of the house. This is for joining the crapping indoor rated existing Cat5 to and outdoor rated cable. Home Depot has a $3 pvc grey junction box with screw on cover and two ½ inch holes. That's about the best I can find. But I would still have to drill a hole out for the Cat5 coming out of the wall. And completely plug up one hole, and probably caulk up around the outdoor rated Cat5/6 coming out the other... What I really need is that same junction box with a single smaller hole about the side of outdoor Cat6, and a hole in the back. Nothing more. Can't find anything like that. And most stuff like that is over $10, for $1 worth of plastic.
Re: [AFMUG] First all-digital radio transmitter
Isn't Cambridge what Vivnt is using? On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/media/press-releases/first-all-digital-radio-transmitter Technology innovation firm Cambridge Consultants has successfully completed initial trials of the world’s first fully digital radio transmitter – a turning point in wireless design and a real enabler for the ‘Internet of Things’ (IoT) and 5G technology. It’s a radio built purely from computing power, using the same familiar digital technology you’d find in a computer microprocessor in your home or office. Unlike ‘software-defined radio’ (SDR), it’s not a mixture of analogue and digital components – for the first time, the radio is completely digital, which can enable new ways of using spectrum intelligently. The innovation is set to be hugely disruptive, like a previous Cambridge Consultants breakthrough – the development of the first single-chip Bluetooth radio, which led to the spinout of the global short-range wireless and audiovisual giant CSR. -- -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
Chuck posted it. I didn't think it was gel filled, but maybe I misread it.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Somebody posted something last week that was a 4-pair version of that.
IOW, you could put the whole thing in one butt splice (instead of 4).
Unfortunately, I don't remember what it was called... :-(
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/5/2015 7:38 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Those won't pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs. However, the Thomas and
Betts 709SC works perfectly. You untwist less than a keystone jack for
sure.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Something like one of these?
I always thought it would be fast.but I always assumed it wouldn't
pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs.� If you're untwisting more than
1/2 to be able to physically fit the splice in, then I think you're adding
more crosstalk than a jack or plug would.�
*shrug* if it's working, it's working.
Could be male/female, but lately I've been leaning towards butt spliced
pairs ( times four ).
I think it's faster for the installes to just cut both cables, do a quick
separation of pairs and press splice the four pairs together.
As opposed to punching down a female rj45 and putting a male rj45 end on.
Maybe not, still debating.
Not sure what the gigabit Ethernet loss/gain might be between these two
methods either.
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
So what's going to be in the box? RJ45-RJ45 female-female coupler, or what?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/5/2015 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Mmmm, that second one might work.
The first one is a bit big for joining cable.
Still wish the second had an access hole in the back and were even smaller.
But that's better than any other option I've seen, thanks!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
How about this?
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$2.99 if you buy 25+
Or
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$1.45 at 25+
Adam
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
Still looking for a simple junction box to cover existing Cat5 coming out of
the house.
This is for joining the crapping indoor rated existing Cat5 to and outdoor
rated cable.
Home Depot has a $3 pvc grey junction box with screw on cover and two �
inch holes.
That's about the best I can find.
But I would still have to drill a hole out for the Cat5 coming out of the
wall.
And completely plug up one hole, and probably caulk up around the outdoor
rated Cat5/6 coming out the other...
What I really need is that same junction box with a single smaller hole
about the side of outdoor Cat6, and a hole in the back.
Nothing more.
Can't find anything like that.
And most stuff like that is over $10, for $1 worth of plastic.
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
Those won't pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs. However, the Thomas and
Betts 709SC works perfectly. You untwist less than a keystone jack for
sure.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Something like one of these?
I always thought it would be fast.but I always assumed it wouldn't
pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs.� If you're untwisting more than
1/2 to be able to physically fit the splice in, then I think you're adding
more crosstalk than a jack or plug would.�
*shrug* if it's working, it's working.
Could be male/female, but lately I've been leaning towards butt spliced
pairs ( times four ).
I think it's faster for the installes to just cut both cables, do a quick
separation of pairs and press splice the four pairs together.
As opposed to punching down a female rj45 and putting a male rj45 end on.
Maybe not, still debating.
Not sure what the gigabit Ethernet loss/gain might be between these two
methods either.
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
So what's going to be in the box? RJ45-RJ45 female-female coupler, or what?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/5/2015 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Mmmm, that second one might work.
The first one is a bit big for joining cable.
Still wish the second had an access hole in the back and were even smaller.
But that's better than any other option I've seen, thanks!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
How about this?
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$2.99 if you buy 25+
Or
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$1.45 at 25+
Adam
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
Still looking for a simple junction box to cover existing Cat5 coming out of
the house.
This is for joining the crapping indoor rated existing Cat5 to and outdoor
rated cable.
Home Depot has a $3 pvc grey junction box with screw on cover and two �
inch holes.
That's about the best I can find.
But I would still have to drill a hole out for the Cat5 coming out of the
wall.
And completely plug up one hole, and probably caulk up around the outdoor
rated Cat5/6 coming out the other...
What I really need is that same junction box with a single smaller hole about
the side of outdoor Cat6, and a hole in the back.
Nothing more.
Can't find anything like that.
And most stuff like that is over $10, for $1 worth of plastic.
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
End-to-end splices like the ones that I mentioned will pas a gig test
without showing impedance loss or cable errors. Phone style Y clips will
not pass a gig test. Cat-5 should never be bent at more than a 4 radius.
You surely don't want a 180 degree bend in a splice. The 709SC are your
best bet for waterproof coupling. Those giant inline couplers with
threaded glands on each side cost a fortune and are overkill.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:52 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
UY's work fine. Use them a bunch.
Has ANYONE found a inline waterproof catX coupler for like $5 or less???
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Those won't pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs. However, the Thomas
and Betts 709SC works perfectly. You untwist less than a keystone jack for
sure.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Something like one of these?
I always thought it would be fast.but I always assumed it wouldn't
pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs.� If you're untwisting more than
1/2 to be able to physically fit the splice in, then I think you're adding
more crosstalk than a jack or plug would.�
*shrug* if it's working, it's working.
Could be male/female, but lately I've been leaning towards butt spliced
pairs ( times four ).
I think it's faster for the installes to just cut both cables, do a quick
separation of pairs and press splice the four pairs together.
As opposed to punching down a female rj45 and putting a male rj45 end on.
Maybe not, still debating.
Not sure what the gigabit Ethernet loss/gain might be between these two
methods either.
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
So what's going to be in the box? RJ45-RJ45 female-female coupler, or what?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/5/2015 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Mmmm, that second one might work.
The first one is a bit big for joining cable.
Still wish the second had an access hole in the back and were even smaller.
But that's better than any other option I've seen, thanks!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
How about this?
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$2.99 if you buy 25+
Or
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$1.45 at 25+
Adam
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
Still looking for a simple junction box to cover existing Cat5 coming out
of the house.
This is for joining the crapping indoor rated existing Cat5 to and outdoor
rated cable.
Home Depot has a $3 pvc grey junction box with screw on cover and two �
inch holes.
That's about the best I can find.
But I would still have to drill a hole out for the Cat5 coming out of the
wall.
And completely plug up one hole, and probably caulk up around the outdoor
rated Cat5/6 coming out the other...
What I really need is that same junction box with a single smaller hole
about the side of outdoor Cat6, and a hole in the back.
Nothing more.
Can't find anything like that.
And most stuff like that is over $10, for $1 worth of plastic.
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
You know that you can add your own hole in the back with a drill bit,
right? I have done that on those second boxes we were talking about a
couple of times.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Brett A Mansfield
br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
This is what I use, but there is no hole in the back.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/321525398145?nav=SEARCH
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Mar 5, 2015, at 8:52 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
UY's work fine. Use them a bunch.
Has ANYONE found a inline waterproof catX coupler for like $5 or less???
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Those won't pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs. However, the Thomas
and Betts 709SC works perfectly. You untwist less than a keystone jack for
sure.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Something like one of these?
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I always thought it would be fast.but I always assumed it wouldn't
pass muster with CAT5e or CAT6 specs.� If you're untwisting more than
1/2 to be able to physically fit the splice in, then I think you're adding
more crosstalk than a jack or plug would.�
*shrug* if it's working, it's working.
Could be male/female, but lately I've been leaning towards butt spliced
pairs ( times four ).
I think it's faster for the installes to just cut both cables, do a quick
separation of pairs and press splice the four pairs together.
As opposed to punching down a female rj45 and putting a male rj45 end on.
Maybe not, still debating.
Not sure what the gigabit Ethernet loss/gain might be between these two
methods either.
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
So what's going to be in the box? RJ45-RJ45 female-female coupler, or what?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/5/2015 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Mmmm, that second one might work.
The first one is a bit big for joining cable.
Still wish the second had an access hole in the back and were even smaller.
But that's better than any other option I've seen, thanks!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
How about this?
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescP2GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$2.99 if you buy 25+
Or
https://dthstore.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/DescB6GY.mac/Report?O
LD_SHOPPER_REF=OrderCount=0OrderTotal=$.00
$1.45 at 25+
Adam
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Junction Box??
Still looking for a simple junction box to cover existing Cat5 coming out
of the house.
This is for joining the crapping indoor rated existing Cat5 to and outdoor
rated cable.
Home Depot has a $3 pvc grey junction box with screw on cover and two �
inch holes.
That's about the best I can find.
But I would still have to drill a hole out for the Cat5 coming out of the
wall.
And completely plug up one hole, and probably caulk up around the outdoor
rated Cat5/6 coming out the other...
What I really need is that same junction box with a single smaller hole
about the side of outdoor Cat6, and a hole in the back.
Nothing more.
Can't find anything like that.
And most stuff like that is over $10, for $1 worth of plastic.
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware
We have hundreds of Nanobeams in the air. We have many PTP and a ton of PTMP talking to older rockets and Nanostations. We have not had one issue. WDS is running on every link (L2 mode). Nanobeams are awesome. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: hmmgreat post josh! lots of good info in those three sentences. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware With no noise, Nanobeams are just a dream. I have a link 11.2 miles with 95% airmax that are working beautifully. In another location the link is totally crap, even with a -60. The noise on the far tower just won't let it function. Note that ePMP worked very well as a replacement. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven mileslets see how well they work. on bench they did great. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn’t seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on that end. It seemed to work great for several months. A week ago, the AP at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings. After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a PowerBeam. Problem solved. On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware connected to XM Rockets. No problems so far. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs
I haven't seen this, and have never had an issue with our Samsung SmartTV. However, we mostly use the Roku, as the interface is much better. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen literally hundreds of Roku's in use in my adventures lately and they work well. Plus the remote is easy to use which is a huge plus for our user base. On Monday, March 2, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Interesting approach. I have been wondering if the Rokus are more reliable than the hodgepodge of devices that customers buy for another reason and then use to stream video. Sounds like you give them a big thumbs up. It's another device that customers can't pronounce though. I've had customers tell me they have a Rock-You or a Ruko. -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 1:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs This is one reason we give all new customers (and contract renewals) a free roku (basic model, 720p). It is one of the best streaming devices on the market. This gives our customers a superior impression of us as an ISP. We get a lot of happy comments about our service after they switch from another provider and install the roku. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/02/2015 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Do these things have problems with the apps for Netflix, Pandora, etc. that are causing the rest of you support calls? Or just me? Calls like Netflix app stopped working 3 weeks ago, or I can watch Netflix but Pandora complains about network problems. My impression is buggy apps or updates that break stuff. But of course everyone tells the customer it's their Internet. I have seen Samsung TVs not play nice with some WiFi routers, but that should affect everything, not just one app. I hate to tell customers to call Samsung or Netflix/Pandora/etc. because I know they will just point the finger back at the ISP.
Re: [AFMUG] PowerCode + MDU
I would say that you need to track each customer's equipment MAC. That easily solves the problem. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: JhbjpkSo you have a router at the mdu handing out ips willy-nilly to anyone who plugs a router in? Do you control access by manually turning their ethernet port on/off? With powercode the solution is going to be you gotta get a mac address so you can assign them an equipment with an ip address. I can't think of any other work around that will maintain the monitoring and delinquency disable. We are doing a ftth deployment and this same situation came up, we decided to supply a cpe/router just like we do with wireless customers.
Re: [AFMUG] electronic signatures
+3 Powercode On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: We use powercode. It has this built in. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 02/26/2015 02:13 PM, Paul McCall wrote: Anybody using a specific type of form or software to have your contracts for customers be signed online? � Looking at contracts, but all service orders in the field.��� Anybody use Docusign? � Paul � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net �
[AFMUG] Lenovo comes pre-loaded with MITM software - exploit
If you have a current generation (2014-2015) Lenovo you will want to see this. There is also a site to check if you are vulnerable at the end of the article. http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap DIN clips
I use these http://www.winfordeng.com/products/dinm12-15.php The 12RC are skinny (like 3/4) On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using these to adapt things: http://www.winfordeng.com/products/dinm01.php [image: Inline image 1] I screw a hoseclamp to them for mounting power supplies and other loose things The things I dont like about them is they only accept screws through the front, and rammy installers shatter them in the winter. Theyre also pretty small so mounting anything with weight is suspect. I dont want 5 dollar clips, those I can get on per needed basis, I just want to find something a little bit heftier with the ability to run screws in from the other side to have on hand all the time -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations
3560X? With the four-SFP module. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future. Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right. Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the ability of terminating VPN connections. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of feature set are you looking for? Are you using this for edge routing (eg eBGP) or just switching? What other features do you need? How much traffic are you looking to push? On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: L3. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need L3 or just L2? On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if there are any new thoughts. I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP. Therefore, I'm looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be looking at something besides the brand new models. It does need to be able to handle GigE, however. Any recommendations? Thanks. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations
He asked for a replacement for a Cisco Nexus SWITCH. He didn't ask about a router that I saw. Maybe I am misunderstanding what he was looking for. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it were a router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that will run circles around it in real world routing performance and can do things like MPLS... or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800. On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote: 3560X? With the four-SFP module. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future. Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right. Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the ability of terminating VPN connections. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of feature set are you looking for? Are you using this for edge routing (eg eBGP) or just switching? What other features do you need? How much traffic are you looking to push? On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: L3. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need L3 or just L2? On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if there are any new thoughts. I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP. Therefore, I'm looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be looking at something besides the brand new models. It does need to be able to handle GigE, however. Any recommendations? Thanks. -Jason
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Splicing
I was the one that you were talking to at AF. I've been using these for years. I still try to protect them from water by wrapping in mastic, electrical tape, and putting them in a box. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: None of those. You want Thomas and Betts 709 SC. End-to-end splice. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:49 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: boss is ordering a couple of those On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: I like the look of Jerry’s solution best.. $16 and I wouldn’t feel I need to replace it.. [image: Waterproof Shielded RJ45 Female to Female Field Installable Coupler] *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
If it is a splice you can do as mentioned here and strip back and cut each wire separately and then use those gel splice connectors that I sent you a link to. It's completely safe and won't short like crimping a RJ45. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Per UL requirements, almost all transformer style power bricks will incorporate a (non field replaceable) fuse. If you short the output, the fuse pops. -Original Message- From: David Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 3:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? +1 :) On 02/19/2015 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Splicing
None of those. You want Thomas and Betts 709 SC. End-to-end splice. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:49 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: boss is ordering a couple of those On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: I like the look of Jerry’s solution best.. $16 and I wouldn’t feel I need to replace it.. [image: Waterproof Shielded RJ45 Female to Female Field Installable Coupler] *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
That can't seriously be their new logo
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Aha.
www.risebroadband.net
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I hear that the new name is Rise Broadband. This post seems to confirm
the rumor:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-JAB-Broadband-RVW5530768.htm
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Tyler Treat
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:
Prairie was in IL, but i think the old DTNSpeednet bought a good chunk
of that, which over time became Speednet/then Keyon, then JAB - and JAB
also bought the other part of Prairie in Iowa. All the Keyon stuff down
here was rebranded T6.
--
*From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard
mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:29 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I know they go into the southwest corner of Wisconsin, so I assumed
they're in north western Illinois too, but I thought T6 was pretty much
across the whole middle of the state... maybe they're kind of mixed because
of stuff they had there before they bought T6...
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Prairie ONetime was in Illinois at one point, IIRC, but as it wasn't
near me, I can't be certain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
To: af af@afmug.com
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:06:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I don't think Prairie Inet goes that far east... I think pretty much all
JAB in Illinois is T6.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Are they T6 by you, or Prairie Inet?
And what happened to their rumored national re-branding? Was that a
hoax? No, the Google finds this quote from a magazine article in
mid-2014:
“If readers haven’t heard of JAB, they may be familiar with one of the
company’s five brand names, which include Prairie iNet, SKYBEAM,
Digis, T6
and Rhino Communications.
Within the next year, JAB hopes to convert to just a single brand,
however.”
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I love/hate T6, I dont like them because theyre Jab, but I love that
they just decide they dont like a site anymore and tell their
customers to
punch sand, so we get to be like that creepy friend who hangs out in
the
shadows waiting for you and your old lady to get in a fight so we can
swoop
in and put the hammer down
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
This place is a laugh a minute.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 8:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
So many jokes there...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 11:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
Oh right. That was a distant memory…
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
...Jab. As mentioned in the subject. As in the company you sold to.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 10:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
That’s cool, what’s T6?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
[image: Inline image 1]
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas
I tried out the VoIP at AF and was amazed that it not only worked, but worked well. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: What happens when customers actually start using several times their current amount though? They do only have a finite amount of available bandwidth after all - will their jitter go through the roof and voice become unusable? Will speeds drop dramatically? -Jason On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: That’s something like 10 times their current limit. If true, that’s a big change. If they get all the 150GB/mo customers and we only get the 150GB ones, that’s probably bad for us and good for them. I guess it comes down to marketing. If they can convince people it’s “virtually unlimited”, then we lose one of the 2 selling points we have against satellite (the other being gaming). If we can convince people there’s a risk they will go over and get a “talking to” whatever that entails, then we win. That argument is easier to make against cellular, where people want a fixed price and dread getting a $1000 cellphone bill even if they never even approach their data cap, just the uncertainty is a big negative. Not sure how much they would dread a “talking to”. *From:* Rory Conaway *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas If you exceed 150GB, which nobody ever does according to their literature, then they will have a talk with you because 150GB is such a huge amount according to their literature. They did say they are putting up another satellite in 2016 which probably covers the areas they missed with the existing satellite. They are also offering voice for $10 per month. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 www.triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I hear that the new name is Rise Broadband. This post seems to confirm the
rumor:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-JAB-Broadband-RVW5530768.htm
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
wrote:
Prairie was in IL, but i think the old DTNSpeednet bought a good chunk
of that, which over time became Speednet/then Keyon, then JAB - and JAB
also bought the other part of Prairie in Iowa. All the Keyon stuff down
here was rebranded T6.
--
*From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard
mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:29 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I know they go into the southwest corner of Wisconsin, so I assumed
they're in north western Illinois too, but I thought T6 was pretty much
across the whole middle of the state... maybe they're kind of mixed because
of stuff they had there before they bought T6...
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Prairie ONetime was in Illinois at one point, IIRC, but as it wasn't near
me, I can't be certain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
To: af af@afmug.com
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:06:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I don't think Prairie Inet goes that far east... I think pretty much all
JAB in Illinois is T6.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Are they T6 by you, or Prairie Inet?
And what happened to their rumored national re-branding? Was that a
hoax? No, the Google finds this quote from a magazine article in
mid-2014:
“If readers haven’t heard of JAB, they may be familiar with one of the
company’s five brand names, which include Prairie iNet, SKYBEAM, Digis,
T6
and Rhino Communications.
Within the next year, JAB hopes to convert to just a single brand,
however.”
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I love/hate T6, I dont like them because theyre Jab, but I love that
they just decide they dont like a site anymore and tell their customers
to
punch sand, so we get to be like that creepy friend who hangs out in the
shadows waiting for you and your old lady to get in a fight so we can
swoop
in and put the hammer down
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
This place is a laugh a minute.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 8:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
So many jokes there...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 11:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
Oh right. That was a distant memory…
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
...Jab. As mentioned in the subject. As in the company you sold to.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 10:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
That’s cool, what’s T6?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
[image: Inline image 1]
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do
not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
Also, risebroadband.com was registered for a seven year term in Dec. 2014
(currently protected by domainsbyproxy)
http://www.whois.com/whois/risebroadband.com
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I hear that the new name is Rise Broadband. This post seems to confirm
the rumor:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-JAB-Broadband-RVW5530768.htm
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Tyler Treat
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:
Prairie was in IL, but i think the old DTNSpeednet bought a good chunk
of that, which over time became Speednet/then Keyon, then JAB - and JAB
also bought the other part of Prairie in Iowa. All the Keyon stuff down
here was rebranded T6.
--
*From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard
mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:29 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I know they go into the southwest corner of Wisconsin, so I assumed
they're in north western Illinois too, but I thought T6 was pretty much
across the whole middle of the state... maybe they're kind of mixed because
of stuff they had there before they bought T6...
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Prairie ONetime was in Illinois at one point, IIRC, but as it wasn't
near me, I can't be certain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
To: af af@afmug.com
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:06:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I don't think Prairie Inet goes that far east... I think pretty much all
JAB in Illinois is T6.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Are they T6 by you, or Prairie Inet?
And what happened to their rumored national re-branding? Was that a
hoax? No, the Google finds this quote from a magazine article in
mid-2014:
“If readers haven’t heard of JAB, they may be familiar with one of the
company’s five brand names, which include Prairie iNet, SKYBEAM,
Digis, T6
and Rhino Communications.
Within the next year, JAB hopes to convert to just a single brand,
however.”
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I love/hate T6, I dont like them because theyre Jab, but I love that
they just decide they dont like a site anymore and tell their
customers to
punch sand, so we get to be like that creepy friend who hangs out in
the
shadows waiting for you and your old lady to get in a fight so we can
swoop
in and put the hammer down
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
This place is a laugh a minute.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 8:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
So many jokes there...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 11:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
Oh right. That was a distant memory…
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
...Jab. As mentioned in the subject. As in the company you sold to.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 10:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:
That’s cool, what’s T6?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
[image: Inline image 1]
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
Apple Time Capsules ship in bridge mode. Not a Belkin, but still it is a
pain. Someone resets them to factory default and then we have to walk them
through setting them back to router mode and ignoring double NAT before
they will even route. Then, you can't even hard set port speed on ANY
Apple routers?! Did I mention how much I hate Apple routers?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:10 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
i had thought that too, but the tech didnt connect wirelessly until after
it was up and running and his mac showed up. they even came back after
rebooting the radio
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I have seen Belkin routers do that while booting, are you sure the
rogue MAC addresses don’t time age of the radio bridging table or go away
if you reboot the radio?
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 8:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs
We did check that, its not. Other than the MACs showing up in the wrong
place, it works fine, Id never seen that before on a functioning device. Is
there some magic new protocol out there that would need a MAC to show up
there? I would assume the router WAN can see it to, and Id guess that would
cause a little confusion for the device, but its not. Its quite possible
that Belkin has resorted to sorcery.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Some Belkin routers do have a bridge mode. Check to see if it is set
for bridging or routing. Likewise, when Apple routers see a private IP on
the WAN interface, will by default go into bridging mode. Most other
routers that I know of just do routing.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/16/2015 1:39 PM, That One Guy wrote:
Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy
radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the
router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft
on Belkins part?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tablets.. again
I bought a cheap tablet with Ethernet on Ebay for under a hundred bucks. It lasted one week and then it would infinitely reboot. GARBAGE. I love my Nexus 7. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:41 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yeah, obscure Chinese shit. Nothing that I'd want to buy, even for $50. I bought this adapter for the HP. http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Ethernet-Compatible-Smartphones-AX88772A/dp/B00RM3KXAU Found out from their site that it will work with my Moto X as well. I had no idea the Moto X's USB was OTG capable. Doesn't do me much good if I'm on-site and need to MAC Winbox into a router though. That's why I bought the HP Stream. We'll see how it goes. I'm just tired of lugging the laptop around. On 2/16/2015 5:25 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: Can you get a tablet with Ethernet ports? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 7:04 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We use tablets and like it so far its nicer than a laptop at times On Feb 15, 2015 6:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I'm having some problems with my now almost 5 year old Asus UL20 laptop that I use in the field. Still works fine, just showing its age and starting to run like crap. But it's small and light and the battery lasts nearly 5 hours while I'm sitting at a site with the guys on the tower putting up radios and stuff. I've thought about throwing some more RAM in it, maybe an SSD and then reload everything. Or... One of the guys just got an HP tablet. Not sure exactly which one. I thought it was ARM based. But apparently it supports USB OTG, which is cool, throw a USB ethernet adapter on it. There's the HP Stream 7 for under $100. Quad-core Atom with full Windows 8.1, 32-bit, but who cares. I think I'm just gonna do that instead. Then I can still run Winbox, SiteMonitor Manager for those old Base-1's out there and other stuff that only works on x86. Anybody know of something better? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Dell XPS-13
That is exactly why I went with the Lenovo X230 on my last laptop. I hate dongles and I feel like the flip out would get broken as often as I use it. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: This would be my new favorite ultraportable laptop if it didn't require a USB dongle for Ethernet. Lenovo has a funky Ethernet jack that flips out on their ultrabooks. Come on, Dell, some of us need Ethernet. Dell does have a clever multifunction dongle but it's still an extra thingy to carry and lose. http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd I guess my 5 year old Sony Z series will have to last a little longer.
Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
people use mobile devices and are accustomed to the higher last mile latency of 3G and LTE. Still it’s a little disappointing to backslide on latency because customers don’t value quick response like they used to. They just want mass quantities of data to watch video, as cheap as possible. I guess gamers still care about ping times. *From:* Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2015 7:44 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results I would assume AF5x is going to be the same issue if you are using GPS? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I can't afford 8-12ms of latency 7 hops out... Time for some Full Duplex links I suppose Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: The Mimosa seems awesome so far (Except for lack of SNMP support, which is coming in April). If you have GPS sync it seems to run between 8ms-12ms. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I was hoping to replace a Ligowave link I have that's running on 40mhz. I don't feel like burning up a whole 80mhz of spectrum through, so I think I'll be buying a PTP-650 especially since I need DFS freq's. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I see that they sell them on the 'Trango store' now too. Pretty sweet. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that is what I was told at Animal Farm also. It seems like doing something specific or something in the wrong order makes them not work. Next time I guess I'll have to follow directions, LOL. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, I ended up having to default the units and then follow the quick start guide to the T. There must be some bugs to work out in the firmware cause when I ordered them the guy told me to follow the quick start to the T. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I also didn't follow the guide the first time. On subsequent attempts I did, but it seemed like something was wrong with them at that point. Anyway, it's nice to see someone having some success. The platform looks like it has a lot of potential. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, Yes I had issues but I didn't call support. It took me almost 2 hours to get the two radios to see each other but I finally got them too. I wasn't following the PTP quick start guide like I was told to. When I initially configured the radios I disabled the 2nd port (called WAN) in the manual. For some reason they would not link until I turned it back on. Even though I wasn't using the WAN port. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do you mind telling me what those radios cost? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the 2011's. Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands but it doesn't :( Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Employee Breaks and Phone Use
Yeah, it is legal. Some companies have added nicotine testing to their drug test panels. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Is it legal to not hire someone just because they smoke? On 2/13/2015 2:42 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Smoke Free. Jaime Solorza On Feb 13, 2015 12:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: If they smoke they find happiness elsewhere. (Yes, you can fire smokers). Or a policy of no smoking on the clock, while at work, on company property, in company vehicles etc. (Sorry smokers, you get no love from me, and I was a smoker and chewer. You drive up insurance rates, stink up vehicles and smell bad yourself when you come into the office). They get a small stipend and pay their own phone bill. Supervisors need to have the balls to tell them to put the phone away and get to work. *From:* mailto:t...@franklinisp.net t...@franklinisp.net *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 12:01 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Employee Breaks and Phone Use Employee Question: How does your organization handle excessive smoke breaks and constant smart phone usage? *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounts
I always use 3 on backhauls, smaller on AP sectors. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, 3 is a bit too big. If I remember correctly, when we put up our SAF 3' dishes, we were told to use 2.375 - that seems like a good size to me. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 3 is too big IMO I think SAF mounts call for 2.25 minimum? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am doing this universal pipe mount that will allow a larger dish on a Rohn type or crappy sheet metal freestanding type. And doing the larger version of the M-TOW-P The question is, what size pipe? I had initially designed it with 3 inch pipe which is actually 3.5” OD. Looking at the pipe chart, 2.5” has an OD of 2.875”. The smaller pipe would be noticeably lighter to heft. Is that large enough to make SAF type mounts happy? Or would y’all rather have the larger pipe.
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounts
These are what I've used. They are heavy duty and inexpensive and work with a large range of pipe sizes. Also, you can replace the bolts with allthread to build a mount on two sides for clusters (for example, on a single pole on top of a tower). http://www.ciwireless.com/product/pipe-to-pipe-clamp-set-for-1-12-in-3-12-in-od-pipes-12-in-thick-set-of-2/ On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Jaime Solorza I am doing this universal pipe mount that will allow a larger dish on a Rohn type or crappy sheet metal freestanding type. And doing the larger version of the M-TOW-P The question is, what size pipe? I had initially designed it with 3 inch pipe which is actually 3.5” OD. Looking at the pipe chart, 2.5” has an OD of 2.875”. The smaller pipe would be noticeably lighter to heft. Is that large enough to make SAF type mounts happy? Or would y’all rather have the larger pipe.
Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
I also didn't follow the guide the first time. On subsequent attempts I did, but it seemed like something was wrong with them at that point. Anyway, it's nice to see someone having some success. The platform looks like it has a lot of potential. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, Yes I had issues but I didn't call support. It took me almost 2 hours to get the two radios to see each other but I finally got them too. I wasn't following the PTP quick start guide like I was told to. When I initially configured the radios I disabled the 2nd port (called WAN) in the manual. For some reason they would not link until I turned it back on. Even though I wasn't using the WAN port. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do you mind telling me what those radios cost? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the 2011's. Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands but it doesn't :( Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
Yeah, that is what I was told at Animal Farm also. It seems like doing something specific or something in the wrong order makes them not work. Next time I guess I'll have to follow directions, LOL. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, I ended up having to default the units and then follow the quick start guide to the T. There must be some bugs to work out in the firmware cause when I ordered them the guy told me to follow the quick start to the T. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I also didn't follow the guide the first time. On subsequent attempts I did, but it seemed like something was wrong with them at that point. Anyway, it's nice to see someone having some success. The platform looks like it has a lot of potential. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, Yes I had issues but I didn't call support. It took me almost 2 hours to get the two radios to see each other but I finally got them too. I wasn't following the PTP quick start guide like I was told to. When I initially configured the radios I disabled the 2nd port (called WAN) in the manual. For some reason they would not link until I turned it back on. Even though I wasn't using the WAN port. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do you mind telling me what those radios cost? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the 2011's. Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands but it doesn't :( Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
I see that they sell them on the 'Trango store' now too. Pretty sweet. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that is what I was told at Animal Farm also. It seems like doing something specific or something in the wrong order makes them not work. Next time I guess I'll have to follow directions, LOL. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, I ended up having to default the units and then follow the quick start guide to the T. There must be some bugs to work out in the firmware cause when I ordered them the guy told me to follow the quick start to the T. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I also didn't follow the guide the first time. On subsequent attempts I did, but it seemed like something was wrong with them at that point. Anyway, it's nice to see someone having some success. The platform looks like it has a lot of potential. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, Yes I had issues but I didn't call support. It took me almost 2 hours to get the two radios to see each other but I finally got them too. I wasn't following the PTP quick start guide like I was told to. When I initially configured the radios I disabled the 2nd port (called WAN) in the manual. For some reason they would not link until I turned it back on. Even though I wasn't using the WAN port. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do you mind telling me what those radios cost? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the 2011's. Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands but it doesn't :( Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do you mind telling me what those radios cost? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the 2011's. Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands but it doesn't :( Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] RF Armor shield with ARC wireless 3 foot dish
Double Radius? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Craig Baird cr...@xpressweb.com wrote: Does anyone know if the RF Armor 3 foot RocketDish shield will work with the ARC Wireless 3 foot dish? Just looking at pictures, the ARC dish looks virtually identical to the RocketDish. Just wondering if the shield kit will fit it. Streakwave is all out of 3 foot RocketDishes, so I'm looking at alternatives, but I've got to have the shield. Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
I got frustrated and gave up. I worked on them for five days and even put them on publics and let Jose get into them. Apparently he got them to pass traffic on the bench after they got them back, so I have no idea what went wrong. It's not like this is my first rodeo. I was bummedI was extremely hopeful that these would work for this particular link, but ended up going with an AF24. I will probably give them another shot when I'm not on a tight time schedule, and after some firmware revisions. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jeremy, Yes I had issues but I didn't call support. It took me almost 2 hours to get the two radios to see each other but I finally got them too. I wasn't following the PTP quick start guide like I was told to. When I initially configured the radios I disabled the 2nd port (called WAN) in the manual. For some reason they would not link until I turned it back on. Even though I wasn't using the WAN port. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I had some issues with the configuration and couldn't ever get them to pass traffic. Did you run into any issues that required support? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I saw that too when I was reviewing the brochure this morning. I was just assuming they were considering this a long range product. Kurt, do you mind telling me what those radios cost? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 7:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results Just got done testing a Trango Altum AC PTP link on the bench. Units are 25db integrated panels. Did a 40mhz channel test and 80mhz via UDP. I tried a TCP test between two RB2011's and best I seen was 175-180'ish and that was with both 40 and 80mhz channels. CPU seemed to be maxing out on the 2011's. Has UNI-1 bands and ISM bands. I was hoping it had the middle DFS bands but it doesn't :( Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality
The solution is easy. Usage Based Billing. Unlimited is nuts for a WISP, unless you have the spectrum to put 8 people per Access Point... On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 2/11/15 9:20, Brett A Mansfield wrote: It may be legal, but why should I be required to provide someone access to a paid service without getting anything from it? The customer pays you for internet access, right? That's what you get from it. ~Seth
[AFMUG] Open Internet Access Statement
So, Steve Coran mentioned that we have all had this on our websites for like a year now, right??? Anyone willing to share theirs here? We are, umm, still working on ours. (how did I miss this requirement???). For those of us who do not do any deep packet inspection...do we just say, thanks for looking, we are the real dealtotally legit??? Thanks for looking...all your ISPs are belong to us? Do these qualify?
Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality
You may not call that UBB, but without it we'd have many, many people using over 1TB per month. That is where our sales tactic becomes important. I point them to our competitors hidden limits, I have the pages printed out for local events, I educate the customers who thought that they were unlimited, on the fact that our limits are actually higher. Truth in advertising in very important to me. One of the first things in my sales pitch is addressing that disconnect, that 'deception' by their current provider. I point them to their own provider's webpage for the facts. That is exactly what sets us apart...honesty. If you can engage a customer long enough to get that across to them you will be victorious. If not...they can stay with the lesser competitor. Also, instructing them on how to change their 'data rate per hour' is essential. This is only possible on Netflix, but will allow them 10x the movies per month (7GB per hour vs. 0.7GB per hour). If they use Apple TV or Amazon then forget it. Most people who stream in excess of two hours per day in HD will surpass 300GB, so education at the time of installation, or during the sales process, is of utmost importance. I refer the heavy users to our competitors or offer them one of our dedicated connections (which are unlimited). Most customers do not want to pay $250-500 a month for unlimited...but many business do. I actually prefer to lose those customers. Our service can maintain our advertised speeds, theirs cannot. That is how we deal with the cord cutters. YMMV. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: A 300gb cap with a fee thereafter (or reduced speed) is not what I would consider UBB (maybe hybrid UBB). Also, upfront is good in theory, but most people won't ever even make it to the cap - IMO, they'll see your limit and not your competitor's, thus putting you at a disadvantage. On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Who are you competing against? We have Century Link, Comcast, and Digis as our main competitorsall of which have a 'Abuse Policy' that has limits hidden in it. We are just upfront about it. 300GB per month, 50 cents per GB thereafter. Simple. Use SlingBox to your hearts content...up to 300GB. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: That's not a solution if it makes you non-competitive. On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The solution is easy. Usage Based Billing. Unlimited is nuts for a WISP, unless you have the spectrum to put 8 people per Access Point... On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 2/11/15 9:20, Brett A Mansfield wrote: It may be legal, but why should I be required to provide someone access to a paid service without getting anything from it? The customer pays you for internet access, right? That's what you get from it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality
Who are you competing against? We have Century Link, Comcast, and Digis as our main competitorsall of which have a 'Abuse Policy' that has limits hidden in it. We are just upfront about it. 300GB per month, 50 cents per GB thereafter. Simple. Use SlingBox to your hearts content...up to 300GB. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: That's not a solution if it makes you non-competitive. On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The solution is easy. Usage Based Billing. Unlimited is nuts for a WISP, unless you have the spectrum to put 8 people per Access Point... On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 2/11/15 9:20, Brett A Mansfield wrote: It may be legal, but why should I be required to provide someone access to a paid service without getting anything from it? The customer pays you for internet access, right? That's what you get from it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
Yeah, check the local stores. They don't list them online, but all of our
local stores still have them. YMMV.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at the Sam's Club website, it looks like they only have Duracell
AGM batteries now, which I'm not sure who makes... but anyway, they have a
105AH group 31 for about $180 - that seems like a pretty good way to go.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
The 'energizer' batteries at Sam's Club are actually these:
http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/content/us/en/products/power-solutions/products/lead-acid/absorbent-glass-mat/heavy-duty-truck.html
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, they sell Optima Blue and Yellow and also Johnson Controls AGM
batteries.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Are you saying Sam’s club sells AGMs?
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 8:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
In a car battery type form-factor, you can't beat Sam's club. The
'Energizer' AGM are actually rebranded Johnson Controls batteries (the
maker of Optima). I haven't seen an equal battery of that size anywhere
for the prices that they sell them for.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:27 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
We have gotten pretty lucky on our batteries, we average 5-8 years at
most sites, we are in central illinois. Last year destroyed a majority of
our batteries, and the expanding problem destroyed alot of our APCs, Its
time to replace our aged APCs anyway since all we can get are overstoc or
used management cards for the models we have. the old 750xl were the
perfect efficient solution for our sites, but they changed the form factor
on those to not be usable, the 1000xl still has the desktop form factor
but
are inefficient for our purpose.
The way I look at it is if I can find a good generic external battery
solution for our current APC runtime need, I will more easily be able to
migrate to a different solution should one present that does what APC does
at a similar cost if we arent locked into the APC packs. We also have
three
of the huge external packs (dont know the part number) that arent holding
charge anymore that I would prefer to replace with a generic array.
As much as I hate to be brand locked, APC makes a solid product at a
good price
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:19 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to assume maintenance on batteries will not be done since i
have to fight tooth an nail to get time alloted for maintenance on sites
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Are you positive agm outlasts flooded cell's, if proper maintenance
is done?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You want AGM batteries. They generally last longer, and are
maintenance free (no water required). They can also handle deeper
discharge cycles than everything except lithium.
I recently had to get some batteries ASAP, and found what I needed
at a local Interstate battery store. We will see how long they last.
We've gotten as much as 8 years on our Concorde SunXtenders (all AGM).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/9/2015 9:57 AM, That One Guy wrote:
I know this horse is about as abused as a woman that doesnt listen
well, but Im looking for a brand/model number of battery that would be
god
for sites, primarily in the winter but some heat in the summer that we
can
replace the APC external packs with.
Id like to source them locally like NAPA, Autozone, etc rather than
order them if possible.
What exactly am I looking for in a battery. Most likely the sites
that these would go to are sites we would put a generator on, so its
not
likely they would be depleted, but is a rare possibility. Mainly we are
looking to get a longer window to get a generator to the site and a
longer
run if the generator fails or runs out of fuel.
When running a battery bank is it recomended to buy all the
batteries at the same time and replace them at the same time?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Therefore, if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do
not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
do
not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together
Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
The 'energizer' batteries at Sam's Club are actually these:
http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/content/us/en/products/power-solutions/products/lead-acid/absorbent-glass-mat/heavy-duty-truck.html
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, they sell Optima Blue and Yellow and also Johnson Controls AGM
batteries.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Are you saying Sam’s club sells AGMs?
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 8:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
In a car battery type form-factor, you can't beat Sam's club. The
'Energizer' AGM are actually rebranded Johnson Controls batteries (the
maker of Optima). I haven't seen an equal battery of that size anywhere
for the prices that they sell them for.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:27 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
We have gotten pretty lucky on our batteries, we average 5-8 years at
most sites, we are in central illinois. Last year destroyed a majority of
our batteries, and the expanding problem destroyed alot of our APCs, Its
time to replace our aged APCs anyway since all we can get are overstoc or
used management cards for the models we have. the old 750xl were the
perfect efficient solution for our sites, but they changed the form factor
on those to not be usable, the 1000xl still has the desktop form factor but
are inefficient for our purpose.
The way I look at it is if I can find a good generic external battery
solution for our current APC runtime need, I will more easily be able to
migrate to a different solution should one present that does what APC does
at a similar cost if we arent locked into the APC packs. We also have three
of the huge external packs (dont know the part number) that arent holding
charge anymore that I would prefer to replace with a generic array.
As much as I hate to be brand locked, APC makes a solid product at a
good price
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:19 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have to assume maintenance on batteries will not be done since i have
to fight tooth an nail to get time alloted for maintenance on sites
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Are you positive agm outlasts flooded cell's, if proper maintenance is
done?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You want AGM batteries. They generally last longer, and are
maintenance free (no water required). They can also handle deeper
discharge cycles than everything except lithium.
I recently had to get some batteries ASAP, and found what I needed at
a local Interstate battery store. We will see how long they last. We've
gotten as much as 8 years on our Concorde SunXtenders (all AGM).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/9/2015 9:57 AM, That One Guy wrote:
I know this horse is about as abused as a woman that doesnt listen
well, but Im looking for a brand/model number of battery that would be
god
for sites, primarily in the winter but some heat in the summer that we
can
replace the APC external packs with.
Id like to source them locally like NAPA, Autozone, etc rather than
order them if possible.
What exactly am I looking for in a battery. Most likely the sites
that these would go to are sites we would put a generator on, so its not
likely they would be depleted, but is a rare possibility. Mainly we are
looking to get a longer window to get a generator to the site and a
longer
run if the generator fails or runs out of fuel.
When running a battery bank is it recomended to buy all the batteries
at the same time and replace them at the same time?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
do
not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
Yes, they sell Optima Blue and Yellow and also Johnson Controls AGM
batteries.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Are you saying Sam’s club sells AGMs?
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 8:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
In a car battery type form-factor, you can't beat Sam's club. The
'Energizer' AGM are actually rebranded Johnson Controls batteries (the
maker of Optima). I haven't seen an equal battery of that size anywhere
for the prices that they sell them for.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:27 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
We have gotten pretty lucky on our batteries, we average 5-8 years at
most sites, we are in central illinois. Last year destroyed a majority of
our batteries, and the expanding problem destroyed alot of our APCs, Its
time to replace our aged APCs anyway since all we can get are overstoc or
used management cards for the models we have. the old 750xl were the
perfect efficient solution for our sites, but they changed the form factor
on those to not be usable, the 1000xl still has the desktop form factor but
are inefficient for our purpose.
The way I look at it is if I can find a good generic external battery
solution for our current APC runtime need, I will more easily be able to
migrate to a different solution should one present that does what APC does
at a similar cost if we arent locked into the APC packs. We also have three
of the huge external packs (dont know the part number) that arent holding
charge anymore that I would prefer to replace with a generic array.
As much as I hate to be brand locked, APC makes a solid product at a good
price
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:19 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have to assume maintenance on batteries will not be done since i have
to fight tooth an nail to get time alloted for maintenance on sites
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Are you positive agm outlasts flooded cell's, if proper maintenance is
done?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You want AGM batteries. They generally last longer, and are
maintenance free (no water required). They can also handle deeper
discharge cycles than everything except lithium.
I recently had to get some batteries ASAP, and found what I needed at
a local Interstate battery store. We will see how long they last. We've
gotten as much as 8 years on our Concorde SunXtenders (all AGM).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/9/2015 9:57 AM, That One Guy wrote:
I know this horse is about as abused as a woman that doesnt listen
well, but Im looking for a brand/model number of battery that would be god
for sites, primarily in the winter but some heat in the summer that we can
replace the APC external packs with.
Id like to source them locally like NAPA, Autozone, etc rather than
order them if possible.
What exactly am I looking for in a battery. Most likely the sites that
these would go to are sites we would put a generator on, so its not likely
they would be depleted, but is a rare possibility. Mainly we are looking
to
get a longer window to get a generator to the site and a longer run if the
generator fails or runs out of fuel.
When running a battery bank is it recomended to buy all the batteries
at the same time and replace them at the same time?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do
not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bateries
In a car battery type form-factor, you can't beat Sam's club. The
'Energizer' AGM are actually rebranded Johnson Controls batteries (the
maker of Optima). I haven't seen an equal battery of that size anywhere
for the prices that they sell them for.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:27 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
We have gotten pretty lucky on our batteries, we average 5-8 years at most
sites, we are in central illinois. Last year destroyed a majority of our
batteries, and the expanding problem destroyed alot of our APCs, Its time
to replace our aged APCs anyway since all we can get are overstoc or used
management cards for the models we have. the old 750xl were the perfect
efficient solution for our sites, but they changed the form factor on those
to not be usable, the 1000xl still has the desktop form factor but are
inefficient for our purpose.
The way I look at it is if I can find a good generic external battery
solution for our current APC runtime need, I will more easily be able to
migrate to a different solution should one present that does what APC does
at a similar cost if we arent locked into the APC packs. We also have three
of the huge external packs (dont know the part number) that arent holding
charge anymore that I would prefer to replace with a generic array.
As much as I hate to be brand locked, APC makes a solid product at a good
price
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:19 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have to assume maintenance on batteries will not be done since i have
to fight tooth an nail to get time alloted for maintenance on sites
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Are you positive agm outlasts flooded cell's, if proper maintenance is
done?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
You want AGM batteries. They generally last longer, and are
maintenance free (no water required). They can also handle deeper
discharge cycles than everything except lithium.
I recently had to get some batteries ASAP, and found what I needed at a
local Interstate battery store. We will see how long they last. We've
gotten as much as 8 years on our Concorde SunXtenders (all AGM).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/9/2015 9:57 AM, That One Guy wrote:
I know this horse is about as abused as a woman that doesnt listen
well, but Im looking for a brand/model number of battery that would be god
for sites, primarily in the winter but some heat in the summer that we can
replace the APC external packs with.
Id like to source them locally like NAPA, Autozone, etc rather than
order them if possible.
What exactly am I looking for in a battery. Most likely the sites
that these would go to are sites we would put a generator on, so its not
likely they would be depleted, but is a rare possibility. Mainly we are
looking to get a longer window to get a generator to the site and a longer
run if the generator fails or runs out of fuel.
When running a battery bank is it recomended to buy all the batteries
at the same time and replace them at the same time?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] trademarking a business name
I would definitely lawyer up and defend it. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: My point was once you have it registered etc do you have the resource (financially) to defend what you have protected? If someone started using your mark can you throw down lawyer up and go after them? I bring this up because we had looked a getting a patent for a product we designed and produced. We decided in the end that the money spent on obtaining the patent and potentially defending the patent just wasn't worth it. So far no one has copied the idea and honestly I wouldn't care if someone did because it's an insignificant product compared to everything else we do at our business. So just because you can obtain the protection of a patent or trademark it might not be financially wise because you don't have the resources to lawyer up and defend it. Just my opinion. If you have a valuable idea or mark then by all means protect it. Otherwise in my opinion it's an expensive piece of paper that will reside in a filing cabinet. On Sunday, February 8, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I spent the money to trademark the logo, namemark, and slogan. I hired an intellectual property attorney to do it and it was about $2500 for all three. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Do you have the resources to defend the trademark? If you are forming the next Facebook or Instagram then yeah I'd get all the legalese done. If it's just your small company in your home town it's probably a waste of time and money. 2 cents YMMV IMNAL Sean On Sunday, February 8, 2015, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you that have transitioned from a guy on his living room doing some stuff for people on the side to a functional business, was trademarking your company name something that mattered or something you wish you had done. For simple name protection Legalzoom does the registration and gets your logo in the right digital format and whatever other crap for about 450 bucks. Is that worth it for something thats still in a living room? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] trademarking a business name
I didn't do it at launch though. We were almost two years in when I decided that it was worth protecting. We had moved out of the living room, then the 10x10, then the storage sheds, into a 4400 square foot facility. Only then did I decide that it was worth protecting. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I spent the money to trademark the logo, namemark, and slogan. I hired an intellectual property attorney to do it and it was about $2500 for all three. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Do you have the resources to defend the trademark? If you are forming the next Facebook or Instagram then yeah I'd get all the legalese done. If it's just your small company in your home town it's probably a waste of time and money. 2 cents YMMV IMNAL Sean On Sunday, February 8, 2015, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you that have transitioned from a guy on his living room doing some stuff for people on the side to a functional business, was trademarking your company name something that mattered or something you wish you had done. For simple name protection Legalzoom does the registration and gets your logo in the right digital format and whatever other crap for about 450 bucks. Is that worth it for something thats still in a living room? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] trademarking a business name
I spent the money to trademark the logo, namemark, and slogan. I hired an intellectual property attorney to do it and it was about $2500 for all three. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Do you have the resources to defend the trademark? If you are forming the next Facebook or Instagram then yeah I'd get all the legalese done. If it's just your small company in your home town it's probably a waste of time and money. 2 cents YMMV IMNAL Sean On Sunday, February 8, 2015, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you that have transitioned from a guy on his living room doing some stuff for people on the side to a functional business, was trademarking your company name something that mattered or something you wish you had done. For simple name protection Legalzoom does the registration and gets your logo in the right digital format and whatever other crap for about 450 bucks. Is that worth it for something thats still in a living room? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port?
Those of you who are running direct DC, are you using tower top surge protectors? Anyone have an example of these you can link me to? On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: BTW: My intent with dual SFPs is to allow for router maintenance without losing the link. Dual cable everything, then you can perform maintenance (intentional or not) and you keep passing bits. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:29:51 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? There's clearly a market for radios with SFP ports, I really don't understand why they aren't making them. MIkrotik routers only cost $5-$10 extra with an SFP port, so it can't cost that much, and that can easily be passed on to us without anyone complaining... well, assuming they keep making a cheap version without SFP, I imagine there would be riots on the ubiquiti forums if they tried to raise the price of radios by more than $0.12 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Exactly. Run two cables with 24 or more strands up diverse paths. SFP to each device. I'd like to see dual SFPs on every device and SFP+s on devices that could possibly surpass 1G, but one step at a time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:17:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? If literally every device on the tower had an SFP I'd be in heaven. I'd run TWO cables for DOZENS of devices. Fiber patch cables everywhere on the tower!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: SFP every single tower and enterprise device. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 9:30:02 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? SFP should be on backhauls. For APs I don't think I'd use it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 3, 2015 10:22 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I really can't see a good reason for airFiber not to have an SFP port... I really don't think anyone would mind if it added a couple bucks to the cost. I think it would even make sense to have an SFP option on something like the titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets, no probably not. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: You can do that on a separate DC system. I've seen multiple manufacturers say you can't on a PoE system. Are your links filling the GigE? Most of the time people aren't concerned with protecting the radio, but whatever likely more expensive gear is inside or the structure itself. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 8:40:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiberport? Many manufacturers recommend surge protectors at both ends. It’s certainly possible, I have licensed gigabit POE radios with protectors top and bottom and no errors. I’ve never seen how a surge protector at the bottom of the tower protects the radio at the top, seems like it protects the router/switch/POE. Not saying I love my Purewave system, but it has 48VDC on a separate pair of wires and they have you put DC protectors top and bottom. They told me field failures of basestations went way down with the addition of the DC protectors. And capacitance is no issue, you can put big old MOVs, gas tubes, diodes, whatever you want on there to absorb the surge. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2015 7:04 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? Easier to protect power alone than power + data. Usually I see the data going out anyway vs. the power side. I really did mean ESD as I separated ESD and lightning. Usually the manufacturer recommends only one additional surge suppression device as to data capacitance issues. That restriction goes away with separate power + data (over fiber). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ken
Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port?
Our direct DC is fuse protected at the base, but no surge or protection at the top. I figured the 2amp fuse would be sufficient. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: My DC sites are just power to the unit (packetflux usually). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 3, 2015 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd be interested to know if these tower-top DC protectors are going just before the radio (mere inches), at the PDU you're using or somewhere else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:43:54 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? Those of you who are running direct DC, are you using tower top surge protectors? Anyone have an example of these you can link me to? On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: BTW: My intent with dual SFPs is to allow for router maintenance without losing the link. Dual cable everything, then you can perform maintenance (intentional or not) and you keep passing bits. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:29:51 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? There's clearly a market for radios with SFP ports, I really don't understand why they aren't making them. MIkrotik routers only cost $5-$10 extra with an SFP port, so it can't cost that much, and that can easily be passed on to us without anyone complaining... well, assuming they keep making a cheap version without SFP, I imagine there would be riots on the ubiquiti forums if they tried to raise the price of radios by more than $0.12 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Exactly. Run two cables with 24 or more strands up diverse paths. SFP to each device. I'd like to see dual SFPs on every device and SFP+s on devices that could possibly surpass 1G, but one step at a time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 10:17:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? If literally every device on the tower had an SFP I'd be in heaven. I'd run TWO cables for DOZENS of devices. Fiber patch cables everywhere on the tower!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: SFP every single tower and enterprise device. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 9:30:02 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiber port? SFP should be on backhauls. For APs I don't think I'd use it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 3, 2015 10:22 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I really can't see a good reason for airFiber not to have an SFP port... I really don't think anyone would mind if it added a couple bucks to the cost. I think it would even make sense to have an SFP option on something like the titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets, no probably not. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: You can do that on a separate DC system. I've seen multiple manufacturers say you can't on a PoE system. Are your links filling the GigE? Most of the time people aren't concerned with protecting the radio, but whatever likely more expensive gear is inside or the structure itself. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 3, 2015 8:40:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With AFiberport? Many manufacturers recommend surge protectors at both ends. It’s certainly possible, I have licensed gigabit POE radios with protectors top and bottom and no errors. I’ve never seen how a surge protector at the bottom of the tower protects the radio at the top, seems like it protects the router/switch/POE. Not saying I love my Purewave system, but it has 48VDC on a separate pair of wires and they have you put DC protectors top
Re: [AFMUG] Utah FCC visit?
I'm planning on coming Friday! On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote: Location https://www.google.com/maps?q=40.388112,-111.910605 Copied from previous email sent to list: Ok, I will plan on hosting anyone that wants to visit either before the event on Tuesday the 3rd of February at 3PM, and Friday the 6th at 11AM. I don't think it will take longer than an hour. Location is in the city of Saratoga Springs, UT. The address of my office doesn't pull up well in Google Maps, but its in a strip mall a couple of blocks east of the center of town. That is a couple blocks east of the Wendys, Wallmart, Smiths Grocery, Wallgreens intersection. The sign on my office isn't installed, so it's still a Karate studio circular sign of a karate guy on top of an American Flag (naturally). There is a Jiffy Lube and a Subway Sandwich shop in the front of the stripmall. The address is: 258 East SR-73 Saratoga Springs, UT 84045 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utah FCC visit? Please refresh us. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utah FCC visit? Yes, today, and it's just me. Did everyone get the location date/time info? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utah FCC visit? Have not heard a word. I guess if you really want to screw with someone, make a transmitter that will light up on radar frequencies, hide it in a sync pipe, set it to randomly go off and install it on the competitors tower... Sterling, are you hosting folks today? -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 10:33 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Utah FCC visit? S, with the ATT announcement, did the FCC visiting Utah ever report anything this time? I only heard they were investigating weather radar again. If it's like last time they were here, they will stew on the data for almost a year, then claim several companies as non-compliant at the same time because they couldn't figure it out. Geez I'm glad haven't used 5GHz, or licensed links for almost two years now! Oh, and does this content tag out our list with the boys up the street?
Re: [AFMUG] Everyone.Net
Well they charge $5.00 per email for their customers who cancel. That's good money! They should be able to afford something better. You would think with nearly 250K customers that it would make sense to run your own mail system. That is a ton of revenue going to everyone.net. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: When you go cheap, it'll bite you in the ass. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Travis Johnson t...@ida.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, February 2, 2015 7:48:47 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Everyone.Net Hi, When Digis purchased my company 20 months ago, they moved all of our email accounts (over 10,000 of them) to Everyone.Net. I'm not sure if we were one of their larger domains, but during the last 20 months, they have had more outages and problems than we had during the previous 10 years. Their SMTP service has been unresponsive for the last 8 hours... and their response is we are working on it. Amazing. All they do is email and they can't even keep an SMTP service running. Travis
Re: [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With A Fiber port?
...that and direct DC contacts. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: At minimum all AFs should have it. That was one of my requests for 'what do you want to see from UBNT in 2015?' on their forums. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:40 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: Yep.. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:39 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, survey On Feb 2, 2015 7:27 PM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: That is what the Survay is for if enough Wanted it then they can see if its worth it or not got 13 yes 0 no in the first 5min of the survay we will see what happens On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: I don’t think this passes the economic factors model for them.. I don’t think they would sell enough of them to make it worth the engineering, mold work, etc… *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *timothy steele *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 4:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Survay Monkey Should UBNT Make a Radio With A Fiber port? posting this Survay on All the forums Want to see what you guys think Should UBNT Make A Radio with a Fiber Port? I Will Send the Graph to the UBNT Team https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8SPM9NT Thanks!
Re: [AFMUG] rodizio
LOL, no doubt. It's those sides that kill ya. On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: My credit card limit is not that high... perhaps if I left off the broccoli. *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:14 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio It's a new year! Let's do AF steak night at Ruth Chris'!! On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:56 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Sounds logical :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] rodizio Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 7:44 PM Most of us will be there Tuesday night, correct? Is that a good night for Rodizio (or whatever the common choice is) seeing Wednesday night is the Cambium sponsored dinner and quite a few people are headed back home Thursday night? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio Love squeaky cheese curds. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 4:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio In Baltimore, you’d have to order gravy fries (remember the movie Diner?) And they have some disgusting version in Quebec that involves “squeaky cheese curds”. *From:* Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio There's a newish burger joint in Springfield called Freddy's with some form of this fry sauce you speak of. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: It has a dash of mustard and other spices too. Makes it extra special and addictive. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio The experience also includes Red Iguana, and Arctic Circle for Fry Sauce, right? I’m still amazed that mixing mayonnaise and ketchup counts as an invention. Thousand Island dressing without the pickles, right? *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio it's part of the AF experience. It's more like a family reunion nowyou just can't change the experience. i mean, geez, changing the hotel this year is going to be depressing enough. lol. - Original Message - *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio They walk around with swords with all kinds of different meat skewered on them. You have a little colored thing on your table with red and green. If you are showing green they will stop by. All kinds of weird exotic meat along with normal types of meats come around. If you like meat, it is a good place to go. *From:* Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio As someone who's never been to AF, I've heard you guys talk about Rodizio before- what is it? There's a Golden Corral down the road from my office. I don't feel like I get my money's worth on lunch there anymore. It all sorta tastes the same ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 31, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Mmm Golden Corral will make you fat and sleepy :) On January 31, 2015 9:57:17 AM AKST, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Rodizio is not the best place to eat meat… lots of other places with better quality / offerings… But if you want to pass out on a full stomach go either Rodizio or Golden Corral Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *CBB Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 2:37 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] rodizio i glanced but didn't see any discussion on that yetany thoughts? anyone know what i'm talking about ? :) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] OT?: Heights don't matter in Russia
I didn't even make it to three minutes and had to stop watching. The level of stupidity was too much for me. On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: Canopy dishes @ 3m50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq1ROVQ_9Y4 On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: This woman somehow has balls of steel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Ae2nN8RiY
Re: [AFMUG] rodizio
It's a new year! Let's do AF steak night at Ruth Chris'!! On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:56 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Sounds logical :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] rodizio Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 7:44 PM Most of us will be there Tuesday night, correct? Is that a good night for Rodizio (or whatever the common choice is) seeing Wednesday night is the Cambium sponsored dinner and quite a few people are headed back home Thursday night? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio Love squeaky cheese curds. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 4:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio In Baltimore, you’d have to order gravy fries (remember the movie Diner?) And they have some disgusting version in Quebec that involves “squeaky cheese curds”. *From:* Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio There's a newish burger joint in Springfield called Freddy's with some form of this fry sauce you speak of. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: It has a dash of mustard and other spices too. Makes it extra special and addictive. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio The experience also includes Red Iguana, and Arctic Circle for Fry Sauce, right? I’m still amazed that mixing mayonnaise and ketchup counts as an invention. Thousand Island dressing without the pickles, right? *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio it's part of the AF experience. It's more like a family reunion nowyou just can't change the experience. i mean, geez, changing the hotel this year is going to be depressing enough. lol. - Original Message - *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio They walk around with swords with all kinds of different meat skewered on them. You have a little colored thing on your table with red and green. If you are showing green they will stop by. All kinds of weird exotic meat along with normal types of meats come around. If you like meat, it is a good place to go. *From:* Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rodizio As someone who's never been to AF, I've heard you guys talk about Rodizio before- what is it? There's a Golden Corral down the road from my office. I don't feel like I get my money's worth on lunch there anymore. It all sorta tastes the same ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Jan 31, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Mmm Golden Corral will make you fat and sleepy :) On January 31, 2015 9:57:17 AM AKST, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Rodizio is not the best place to eat meat… lots of other places with better quality / offerings… But if you want to pass out on a full stomach go either Rodizio or Golden Corral Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *CBB Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 2:37 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] rodizio i glanced but didn't see any discussion on that yetany thoughts? anyone know what i'm talking about ? :) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps
How many WISPs out there offer 25x3? What do you charge for it? Are there bandwidth limits or is it unlimited? I'm trying to understand how we could reliably provide this service without putting 5-10 customers per AP. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Minimum definition of broadband is now 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. My question is, if you say up to, does that qualify? ;) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/fcc_sextuples_broadband_speed/ Travis
Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps
Do you share your burst and sustained rates with the customer? Will you share them here? Do you offer a 25Mbps burst Paul? Your website is down. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Andy, but is that a SUSTAINED 25/5? Can a customer hit it for 3 solid hours that way (and actually get the bandwidth) and you are OK with it? In my book, you cant assume someone doing that is going to hit their 300gbit cap necessarily, but they can sure mess with you other capacity’s (AP, BH path) etc. We do a burst rate of xxx/yyy and a sustained (after 30 seconds) of aaa/bbb which helps a little bit with that, looks great on a speed test, and meets customer perception issues *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy Trimmell *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 10:57 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps The customers we have on 25Mbps barely use it to its full extent. Streaming services are only using about 5Mbps of it. When they're browsing the web they use anywhere from 10-20 but its seldom and its just bursting. I wouldn't try 25Mbps on UBNT sectors but there's some GPS timed stuff out there that would probably work for 15 customers. We charge $80 for 25/5 with 300GB *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 10:52 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps How many WISPs out there offer 25x3? What do you charge for it? Are there bandwidth limits or is it unlimited? I'm trying to understand how we could reliably provide this service without putting 5-10 customers per AP. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Minimum definition of broadband is now 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. My question is, if you say up to, does that qualify? ;) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/fcc_sextuples_broadband_speed/ Travis
Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
I found it interesting that the cable companies were claiming to be against
this change. This seems handcrafted by them if you ask me. Every year
when they request funding the WISPs in those areas (with the help of WISPA)
file claims against them receiving those funds under the basis that
'broadband' is already available in those areas where they are claiming
that it is not. This has actually worked fairly well in keeping those
entities from receiving those funds. Now, almost none of us meet the
'broadband' qualification and now they can use the government funds to
build out on top of us almost uncontested.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
My company is called 'Blue Spring Broadband'. I will not be changing my
name. We offer dedicated connections up to 100Mbps, and more on a
case-by-case basis (ie. I would offer 1Gbps near the NOC to anyone willing
to pay for it). Although we do not offer more than 15x3 to residential
currently, I still believe we can be classified as a broadband service
provider. I happily give quotes on a 25x25 dedicated unlimited connection
to any residential customers that ask for it ($1K/mo. roughly). Until some
governing entity tells me different that is my stance.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
It’s depressing to think about all the government money that went to
subsidize 1 Mbps (if that) Hughesnet service under the recovery act.
The contradiction is like setting a standard that every citizen must get
fresh whole grain organic locally grown low sugar low sodium food, just a
couple years after handing out pork rinds, moon pies and Jolt cola in the
school lunch program.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 3:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
+1. They have the added complication that they are way oversubscribed
compared to almost everything else.
Let's not even mention latency.
If broadband included something about latency (like just 200 ms for
instance), then they would lose big time.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/30/2015 1:17 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Doubtful. They can't sustain those speeds wide spread any better than we
can.
- Original Message -
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 3:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
at those sustained speeds, the only tech that could realistically deliver
to the rural market right now would be satellite wouldnt it
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband
li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote:
+1
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling
Jacobson
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
Even if you don’t deliver 25Mbps as defined, can’t you just put a plan
rate for 25Mbps and give it some ridiculous price that no one will ever
buy, then claim broadband?
I mean the other lower plan rates wouldn’t be broadband, but your
company could be branded as selling broadband?
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Behalf Of *Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:40 PM
*To:* memb...@wispa.org
*Cc:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
1. Is the 25Mbps classification immediate?
2. What are you NOW going to call your previously determined
‘broadband’ service?
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Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
My company is called 'Blue Spring Broadband'. I will not be changing my
name. We offer dedicated connections up to 100Mbps, and more on a
case-by-case basis (ie. I would offer 1Gbps near the NOC to anyone willing
to pay for it). Although we do not offer more than 15x3 to residential
currently, I still believe we can be classified as a broadband service
provider. I happily give quotes on a 25x25 dedicated unlimited connection
to any residential customers that ask for it ($1K/mo. roughly). Until some
governing entity tells me different that is my stance.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
It’s depressing to think about all the government money that went to
subsidize 1 Mbps (if that) Hughesnet service under the recovery act.
The contradiction is like setting a standard that every citizen must get
fresh whole grain organic locally grown low sugar low sodium food, just a
couple years after handing out pork rinds, moon pies and Jolt cola in the
school lunch program.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 3:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
+1. They have the added complication that they are way oversubscribed
compared to almost everything else.
Let's not even mention latency.
If broadband included something about latency (like just 200 ms for
instance), then they would lose big time.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/30/2015 1:17 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Doubtful. They can't sustain those speeds wide spread any better than we
can.
- Original Message -
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 3:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
at those sustained speeds, the only tech that could realistically deliver
to the rural market right now would be satellite wouldnt it
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband
li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote:
+1
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:21 PM
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Even if you don’t deliver 25Mbps as defined, can’t you just put a plan
rate for 25Mbps and give it some ridiculous price that no one will ever
buy, then claim broadband?
I mean the other lower plan rates wouldn’t be broadband, but your company
could be branded as selling broadband?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
1. Is the 25Mbps classification immediate?
2. What are you NOW going to call your previously determined
‘broadband’ service?
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Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps
Thanks for sharing Paul! That is a ton of service plans. Do you find customers getting confused with the larger number of options or do you find that they appreciate your flexibility? On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Jeremy, Yes we share that info with the customer. Here is our rate plan. Of course, the top ends (burst or sustained) of any plan will need to adjust upward as the market does. This method, right or wrong, was designed to make sure that customers who are sustaining bandwidth are paying for it, so I can justify the resource of APs, BHs, etc. over time. And, 50% of the customer paying for a higher sustained rate, are using that rate pretty regularly. There are only caps on our lite plan and our standard plan (125GB). Everything else is unlimited. To us, the sustained is the key. http://floridabroadband.com/service-plans Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 11:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps Do you share your burst and sustained rates with the customer? Will you share them here? Do you offer a 25Mbps burst Paul? Your website is down. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Andy, but is that a SUSTAINED 25/5? Can a customer hit it for 3 solid hours that way (and actually get the bandwidth) and you are OK with it? In my book, you cant assume someone doing that is going to hit their 300gbit cap necessarily, but they can sure mess with you other capacity’s (AP, BH path) etc. We do a burst rate of xxx/yyy and a sustained (after 30 seconds) of aaa/bbb which helps a little bit with that, looks great on a speed test, and meets customer perception issues *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy Trimmell *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 10:57 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps The customers we have on 25Mbps barely use it to its full extent. Streaming services are only using about 5Mbps of it. When they're browsing the web they use anywhere from 10-20 but its seldom and its just bursting. I wouldn't try 25Mbps on UBNT sectors but there's some GPS timed stuff out there that would probably work for 15 customers. We charge $80 for 25/5 with 300GB *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 10:52 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps How many WISPs out there offer 25x3? What do you charge for it? Are there bandwidth limits or is it unlimited? I'm trying to understand how we could reliably provide this service without putting 5-10 customers per AP. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Minimum definition of broadband is now 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. My question is, if you say up to, does that qualify? ;) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/fcc_sextuples_broadband_speed/ Travis
Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
I did not realize that. I thought that both the cable and telcos were
subsidized. That makes sense why they would be opposing it then.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:
Keep in mind the cable companies don't get federal subsidies. The cable
data operations are unregulated information service exactly like us, and
they can easily meet the 25/3.
They are opposed because it means the telcos are going to be given federal
money to upgrade to 25/3 and become competition.
Cable spends it's own money to compete, just like us. They are equally
ticked over changing the definition so that their competition, who has not
spent their own money, and waited for government handouts is going to be
rewarded.
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996
On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I found it interesting that the cable companies were claiming to be
against this change. This seems handcrafted by them if you ask me. Every
year when they request funding the WISPs in those areas (with the help of
WISPA) file claims against them receiving those funds under the basis that
'broadband' is already available in those areas where they are claiming
that it is not. This has actually worked fairly well in keeping those
entities from receiving those funds. Now, almost none of us meet the
'broadband' qualification and now they can use the government funds to
build out on top of us almost uncontested.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
My company is called 'Blue Spring Broadband'. I will not be changing my
name. We offer dedicated connections up to 100Mbps, and more on a
case-by-case basis (ie. I would offer 1Gbps near the NOC to anyone willing
to pay for it). Although we do not offer more than 15x3 to residential
currently, I still believe we can be classified as a broadband service
provider. I happily give quotes on a 25x25 dedicated unlimited connection
to any residential customers that ask for it ($1K/mo. roughly). Until some
governing entity tells me different that is my stance.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
It’s depressing to think about all the government money that went to
subsidize 1 Mbps (if that) Hughesnet service under the recovery act.
The contradiction is like setting a standard that every citizen must get
fresh whole grain organic locally grown low sugar low sodium food, just a
couple years after handing out pork rinds, moon pies and Jolt cola in the
school lunch program.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 3:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
+1. They have the added complication that they are way oversubscribed
compared to almost everything else.
Let's not even mention latency.
If broadband included something about latency (like just 200 ms
for instance), then they would lose big time.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/30/2015 1:17 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Doubtful. They can't sustain those speeds wide spread any better than we
can.
- Original Message -
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 3:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
at those sustained speeds, the only tech that could realistically
deliver to the rural market right now would be satellite wouldnt it
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband
li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote:
+1
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling
Jacobson
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
Even if you don’t deliver 25Mbps as defined, can’t you just put a plan
rate for 25Mbps and give it some ridiculous price that no one will ever
buy, then claim broadband?
I mean the other lower plan rates wouldn’t be broadband, but your
company could be branded as selling broadband?
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:40 PM
*To:* memb...@wispa.org
*Cc:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
1. Is the 25Mbps classification immediate?
2. What are you NOW going to call your previously determined
‘broadband’ service?
*Tyson Burris, President*
*Internet Communications Inc.*
*739 Commerce Dr.*
*Franklin, IN 46131*
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Re: [AFMUG] cable modem question
I agree. On our network I try to always turn off MAC cloning when doing installs for that very reason. However, when working with a cable company it is less problematic than calling them. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:35 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I hate cloned Macs because of factory defaults down the road, though in this case it would have been fine since its going away in a short period anyway On Jan 28, 2015 9:03 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: This. This is why so many devices support mac cloning on their wan interface On January 28, 2015 5:59:11 PM AKST, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I've always just cloned the old MAC to avoid dealing with the cable co. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:35 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Or Linktechs lol (sorry guys couldn't resist) John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:52pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cable modem question As long as you're not my customer, yes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:45 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: So im golden for becoming the dick customer telling the tech what to do? On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sounds normal from what I remember, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Yes, that is typical behavior for a cable modem. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:34pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cable modem question what i see with one provider is that when you start a cable modem it is a DHCP server (motorola surfoboards) handing out a 192.168.100.x Ip gatewaying to the management interface 192.168.100.1 of the modem. After the device completes network entry it converts to a bridge and you get your public IP space i assume this is a common practice, but i dont know, we only deal with one cable company around here. I hate this joint because they MAC filter for static IP space, which if fine and good, but its an up to 24 hour provisioning time to be able to switch out a firewall. So today we went to go swap one prior to the provision, and after we put in our device and restarted their cable modem, it would never hand us anything other than the internal management range from the modem, like it never completed network entry. Called them, and their tech said he could see the physical connection, but no MAC. I kept telling him it was getting handed the management range from the surfboard, he kept assuring me the modem was strictly a bridge and contained no DHCP server ever at any point. I finally told him to reprovision the device in their system, he said it wouldnt o any good but complied. After restart it completed entry and we got public IP assignment. I assume network entry isnt the correct term for cable modems being configured once they register to the network. But is this how its supposed to work where the modem is a dhcp server (I assume i router) until the cableco says otherwise to it? Its how Ive always seen it happen. At home once, after a flood of DMCA hits, they blacklisted my modem and this was the behavior, like their system refused to let it enter and convert to a bridge. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Couldn't resist
That is hillarious. I didn't get it when you first posted this. Now it is all over the news and Comcast has issued a formal apology. They are going to have their own class of media soon, 'Comcast Apologists' http://www.cbsnews.com/news/comcast-apologizes-for-changing-customers-billing-name-to-profanity/ On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: http://i.dslr.net/syms/a6c9c65f086de4440de5aebec2988abe.png Customer name... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium and these ePMP part numbers
Well, that will come in handy if you ever forget where you left your radio! On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think they said they would do GPS all day, but not sync. Basically, just coordinates. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:02:18 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium and these ePMP part numbers Well they don't have GPS timing or CMM timing. They do have a GPS radio and antenna. I'll have to get them outside before I can verify that it'll populate the coordinates, but the fields are all there and they came with a GPS antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:59 PM, bran...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Are your pmp APs GPS sync or not. If they are GPS then something is indeed screwed up. We were at one of the training events and they were quite upfront with the fact that a the connectorized AP, SM and Force are all the same unit just different configuration. The only unit that is different was the GPS unit and the Force110PTP don't have GPS. Brandon Yuchasz -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium and these ePMP part numbers I'm not even gonna bother buying any of them, the web interface is bad enough I dont need more problems with part numbers... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Jan 29, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Holy shitballs this has become a FUBAR!!! Before even getting my shipment I had to wait a few days for my distributor to figure out what's going on with the force 110 model number making two part numbers to send to me. That's the distributors fault for the delay, but Cambium's fault for a) making two part numbers equal a third one and b) making some STUPID long string for part numbers. I ordered 3x force 110 ptp to put up a new link. The radios are the exact same part number as my pmp APs (I expected them to look the same, but model number seems fishy, so I called Cambium). I've talked with Robert on Cambium Support for 20 minutes. I got the whole speech about they don't do part numbers, presales does, what is the exact issue, etc. and I ended up teaching him that there is a force 110 PTP besides the force 110. Jesus. There is not resolution for me at this point, just hanging out on hold. If this was not a mistake on my distributor's part just order the force 110 PTP instead of the 5 GHz connectorized radio (it'll save you $300). Props to Colin (sp?) over at Streakwave for explaining the situation. The PTP radios and APs are *THE EXACT SAME PART NUMBER*. The difference is the PTP has a sticker over the sticker on the box. You also can't specify CMM or GPS for sync (the GUI has it grayed out). Make sure you label the PTP radios yourself before you climb the tower!!! Why are part numbers being so extremely difficult to work with?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber PoE off DC
I am about to with the GIGE-POE-APC and the MeanWell RSD-200
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Three ways (at least) that I know of. The two that Josh mentions, plus
Tycon makes a POE just for the AirFiber.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/29/2015 5:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Two options I think. Packetflux definitely and WBMFG probably (not sure
about the whole gigabit/POE thing).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Has anyone come up with a nifty way to power an AirFiber off 50VDC?
No AC at the base of the tower.
Thanks!
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Re: [AFMUG] New service
Sometimes it isn't even interference, but just a lack of understanding the
capabilities of the system. For example; we had a call a few nights ago
that the customer was only seeing 0.83Mbps on a speedtest, on our 5Mbps
plan. He sent me a screenshot...what is the problem?? I asked him to
power cycle the router and he said I'll have to wait until my wife's show
is done streaming. I looked in the radio and saw 4.2Mbps being used for
the stream, leaving .83 for a speedtest. Yes, it's truewireless
devices use a portion of your bandwidth too, tada!!
Another job the other day, I ran the initial speedtest and got 2.5Mbps on
the 15Mbps plan. Went upstairs and tested on the wired computer and got
15Mbps. Took the laptop from downstairs upstairs and then got 15Mbps. The
router was on the floor in a little cubby area and not transmitting strong
enough to give decent speeds in the basement.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
No kidding.
I was at one of our subscribers last week.� They were (natch) having
WiFi issues.� Pulled out my handy-dandy DROID WiFi Analyzer, and found 5
(yes 5) different APs, all on channel 6.
They had the expected AP connected to our SM.
They had another repeater-type thingy in a far-off room (sort of
expected); but I hate repeaters.
Then they had a TV upstairs that was acting as an AP (wha? and it didn't
even have a connection to the network).
Next to the TV was a Panasonic DVD that was acting as an AP.� Geez.
THEN, and this was a complete surprise, they had an internet enabled bed
that had TWO separate APs (his and hers);� Also not connected to the
network.
I am just speechless.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/28/2015 7:23 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Wireless router issues seem to be increasingly the thing that we get
judged by.� I am considering starting a new service, either by
subscription or a one time deal.� Kinda like the weCare program I did in
a former life.�
�
But this would be more focused on wireless.� I am thinking a hit squad
would come to the house, turn off all sources of RF and use a high quality
spectrum analyzer to see that the general conditions of the site are.�
Fire up the baby monitors, security systems and microwave ovens and see
what changes.�
�
Recommend frequencies.
�
Then look at the devices the customer uses.� Discover the wifi
capabilities used.�
Look at the wireless routers at the site, see if the routers can feed the
devices.�
�
Recommend new routers if needed.� Analyze router placement(s) in the
house.� Move the routers to more of an optimum place.� Set them for
proper modes and frequencies.�
�
What else could we be doing?� I would like to offer this as a platinum
geek squad service (but with a much better name).� Something that could
have the mission impossible theme music playing in the background.�
�
Antenna Team 7
Wifi Impossible
Radio Mercenaries
Interference Eliminators
Signal Purity Squad
Network Nirvana kinda like that one.
Network Nirvana (tm all rights reserved)
�
�
Re: [AFMUG] What are you using for gig poe injection?
UBNT using GIGE-POE-APC, and I love them. On Jan 26, 2015 12:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gig syncinjector from Packetflux You could also do Gig POE injector, but why stock two devices Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:35 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: What are you guys using for gigabit poe injection? 450 = syncinjector? Ctm? Cmm? Ubnt, epmp = gig-poe-apc? Packet flux 8ch? Tough switch? Wisp switch?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vehicle Lighting
This stuff is sold all over the Internet. It runs on 12v, works great, is waterproof, and changes colors. You can also just set it to white. It's super cheap and easy to work with, self adhesive. http://www.ebay.com/itm/3528-RGB-300LEDs-5M-SMD-Decorate-Flexible-Strip-Light-Home-44KEY-Controller-12V-/171653596729?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lightshash=item27f75a0639 On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I'm looking to do some interior lighting in a work van. I had the bright idea of using the light strips out of a 4' LED fluorescent replacement tube, 1600 lumen, 18w ($12 on ebay). I think it will work perfect since it will be nice bright light over a 4' area, and is ultra thin, and can just be glued to the ceiling. The problem I'm having is the power for it. When I pulled one of them apart, the LED Strip is running at 68.2vdc @0.2A. What's the best way to adapt the vehicle 12v up to the 68v for the LED's? Should I just put in an inverter and run them at 120vac as they were designed, or try to find a DC-DC 12v-70v converter? I tried running them at 50v from a POE Injector, and they are just barely lit. I looked at LED Strips made for 12v, but they are very low brightness. What I was finding were 15' reels, but only 350 total lumen. These would be great http://www.americanvan.com/van-and-truck-accessories/ interior-lighting/premium-led-cargo-lights-for-your-van.html but, I'm not sure why they're 2.5 deep. Seems like they'd be accidentally hit/broken when mounted to the ceiling, not to mention $100/fixture Any other Ideas I'm missing? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT firewall
Awesome! Thanks Brett.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Brett A Mansfield
br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
Here are other details and examples:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Configuration-Examples/airMAX-VLANs/ta-p/455741
UBNT has some great articles in their community pages. I recommend you
take a look. Google is a great tool for searching them.
On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Brett A Mansfield
br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
Yes, UBNT does support 802.1q. Here is an example in their community
pages for what you are wanting to do:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Configuration-Examples/airMAX-Management-tagged-and-Access-VLAN-untagged-on-Station-LAN/ta-p/1044653
On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Do UBNT radios support .1Q?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
If we VLAN traffic to each AP already how would we do a management VLAN?
Would we have to make every AP port a trunk port (pruned, of course), and
then let the radio do the tagging and untagging?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Brett A Mansfield
br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
It's possible there is a bug in the software then. All of my NATd radios
on 5.5.9 and older I can only access the management on the management VLAN,
but all of the ones running 5.5.10 I can access it on both the management
VLAN and untagged interfaces.
Though there may be something in the configuration causing it. I'm
double checking. It clearly shows management is set to the tagged vlan.
Looks like the bridge is missing in the config though. It must have wiped
it out when NAT was put in place.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Jesus Christ no.
No.
SSH, web, SNMP, etc only respond on whatever the management interface
is. If it's left default, it responds on what's assigned. If you vlan it
off, it only responds on that vlan. Other untagged traffic goes through as
bridged or routed depending on what you have configured.
On January 20, 2015 10:12:37 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
NATting in the radio just eliminates so many issues. It solved lots of
issues for us when we did it with Canopy. It was easy because the
management/NAT are always separated in Canopy. It just became part of our
standard practice.
So if we're doing NAT on the CPE, management traffic will go to the
public interface? That seems broken. What defines management traffic
besides SSH/WWW ports?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:07 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
You'll need to set up a dhcp server for that vlan or manually assign
it.
Even with NAT on the CPE the management interface will work the same.
But when doing NAT you'll be able to access the radio from its public
address as well. There really is no reason to NAT at the radio with VLANs.
Any reason you'd do NAT at the radio?
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're bridging, where does the management VLAN get it's IP
address?
Likewise (or almost likewise), if we're NATting in the CPE, is there a
place to assign the VLAN interface a different IP address?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:33 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
UBNT has a good video on this very thing. �If done right, all ssh
traffic would be passed through the radio to the customers router on the
public side and the management side will only be accessible internally.
Here is a link to their video on the VLAN setup for management.
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Frequently-Asked/airMAX-VLAN-management/ta-p/472529
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
Management services only respond on the management vlan...
On January 20, 2015 9:17:24 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK.� Great.� We can put another IP on a management IP on the
VLAN.� How does that block the SSH logins?
Can you specify that SSH only goes through the management VLAN?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:14 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It creates another interface, a tagged one. You specify which
interface is the management interface. Don't route it out of your network.
On January 20, 2015 9:13:06 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
My understanding of the UBNT VLAN is that it's all one VLAN? How do
you split management/sub traffic?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Management. VLAN.
On January 20, 2015 8:51:22 AM AKST, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not the AP side, but the client side. We have traditionally NATted all
residential subs on Canopy, and were trying to do the same with UBNT.
With Canopy it's easy, because
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant
I used to use Chrome. A few versions back they made it so that you cannot save passwords for SSL exceptions, and cannot add permanent exceptions. We use SSL on all of our APs, and according to chrome our Billing server cert is incorrect, even though we have triple checked the install and no other browsers flag it as insecure. This leaves us tapping away super long and complicated passwords (what else would we use??) out in the field in Chrome, or we use Firefox and deal with a bit of lag in Powercode. I find that the small amount of lag is far better than constantly trying to tap out passwords on a tablet. Ok, not trying to derail this too far OT. Have those of you who are experiencing the lag with EPMP tried another browser? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: User base is CLEARLY an important key!!! collected from W3Schools' log-files since 2002 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Chrome (no version attached) has 61% market share On January 20, 2015 10:31:25 AM AKST, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But wait until Windows 10 comes out with the Spartan browser. *From:* Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2qpcustomd=0 According to that everyone still uses Internet Explorer. I promise I'm as shocked as you are. Everyone uses Chrome nowadays. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Example: Powercode mostly loads and then seems to hang for quite awhile on Firefox, but loads fast on Chrome. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used EPMP but I have noticed some interfaces lag on one browser and not on another. What browser is everyone using when they see lag? What browser are those of you who aren't seeing lag using? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Good job of merging 2 threads! You win one free Internet! *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:48 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant Yeah but you bought the advantage GUI license, right? *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant less than 5 seconds on my iPhone as well. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I doubt that 4 of my high end machines all have the same problem. The interface takes too long when it first shows up. Maybe it's because it gets all the information at once, maybe not. Don't care. I want it to be more smooth and faster. My phone (Droid Maxx) is one of the most recent models for Android. The interface is terribly slow and clumsy on that. Well if you feel a poor technology choice was the cause, that's fine, but it's just flat out wrong. I don't want to carry a big fat i7 laptop up the tower when I could just simply use my phone. It works with Ubiquiti, FSK Cambium, Tranzeo, Trango, Mikrotik, etc it should only make sense the one product with a clumsy interface needs fixed instead of changing my devices that work with the competitors products (as well as different products under their portfolio). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i'm just stating that on all of our computers i've never seen the ePMP page load slowly. maybe it's a computer problem and not a device problem, just trying to bring valid input to the discussion. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why are you/others arguing that the speed is just fine? This doesn't even make sense. There are people with slower laptops that work with other modern devices and epmp is the only interface that loads slow. There's no point in arguing peoples valid complaints. Are you trying to direct the engineers attention to something else? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Three, maybe four seconds to load the initial screen and then two maybe three seconds to login. As I doubt a screen capture will work when I'm RDPed in, I'll record the entire login process when I get home and post it up
Re: [AFMUG] Bigger batteries for Smart UPS
We use a 3000XL at our NOC with 4 100Ah 12v AGM in series. We are pulling about 1100 watts (37%). We had a 6 hour outage and it made it through fine. The runtime claims that we have 7.6 hours. I would just use a 700XL if all you are using is 70w. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: It looks from the APC runtime graph that you should get 4 hours or close with the internal battery: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SU2200XL You should be able to estimate runtime with different batteries from the information on that page or linked from there. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bigger batteries for Smart UPS 70 watt load. I'd like to get 4 hours. 280 watt hours. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 20, 2015 4:25 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: The 2200 is 48vdc iirc, for a 289 watt load It will be inefficient... Better off with a 750xl Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: APC charger is calibrated for AGM, doesn’t flooded require different voltages? Maybe I’m wrong about that. Certainly take out the internal AGM batteries, you don’t want batteries of different chemistry in parallel. I’ve only done it with external AGM, but as far as how you get to the right voltage (I forget if 2200 VA is still 24V or that’s the point where they started using 48V), I don’t think it matters if you put 2 x 12V or 4 x 6V in series to get 24V. I’m not sure you’ll find 24 or 48V batteries, the choices are usually 2, 6 or 12 volt. Make sure to put a fuse in each series string of batteries. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bigger batteries for Smart UPS Charger but also just an APC with the management. So far I've got two solutions: DC and APC. I'd rather avoid another model or method to monitor. Should I just load up on some decent size wet cell and wire them up? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 20, 2015 3:32 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I don’t have specific numbers for you, but I have observed that family gets pretty inefficient if you run it way below rated capacity. You seem to hit a wall as you drop the load, like 200 watts for 4 hours, 100 watts for 4 hours, 50 watts for 4 hours, no watts for 4 hours. Especially if you are trying to push the runtime out to days. Any reason you are using a 2200 VA unit for only 70W? Instead of, say, a 700 VA unit? Wanting the faster charger? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:14 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Bigger batteries for Smart UPS I'm getting a bigger unit - SmartUPS XL 2200 - and I'm looking at batteries. I have an Interstate Batteries and Batteries Plus near me so I'd like to go with either of them. This will be indoors. I'm aiming to get 280 watt hours (70 watts, 4 hours) of run time. Is there any idea as to the inefficiency of the whole AC/DC/AC/DC process? What type of battery would be best? Should I look for 12/24/48v batteries or does it matter (besides having to connect them in series)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant
I did, but I think that may be where the problem lies. I think that the instructions that I was following had me put it in the wrong place. That is the next thing I was going to check. I just don't have much time for extra projects and for now Firefox works. I need to figure out how to generate my own SSL certs for all of our infrastructure gear so that I can store them on the machine. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you include the second cert file? Mine works (also Godaddy). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 20, 2015 4:56 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: GoDaddy On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's your Powercode address? Who does your SSL cert? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 20, 2015 4:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I used to use Chrome. A few versions back they made it so that you cannot save passwords for SSL exceptions, and cannot add permanent exceptions. We use SSL on all of our APs, and according to chrome our Billing server cert is incorrect, even though we have triple checked the install and no other browsers flag it as insecure. This leaves us tapping away super long and complicated passwords (what else would we use??) out in the field in Chrome, or we use Firefox and deal with a bit of lag in Powercode. I find that the small amount of lag is far better than constantly trying to tap out passwords on a tablet. Ok, not trying to derail this too far OT. Have those of you who are experiencing the lag with EPMP tried another browser? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: User base is CLEARLY an important key!!! collected from W3Schools' log-files since 2002 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Chrome (no version attached) has 61% market share On January 20, 2015 10:31:25 AM AKST, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But wait until Windows 10 comes out with the Spartan browser. *From:* Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2qpcustomd=0 According to that everyone still uses Internet Explorer. I promise I'm as shocked as you are. Everyone uses Chrome nowadays. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Example: Powercode mostly loads and then seems to hang for quite awhile on Firefox, but loads fast on Chrome. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used EPMP but I have noticed some interfaces lag on one browser and not on another. What browser is everyone using when they see lag? What browser are those of you who aren't seeing lag using? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Good job of merging 2 threads! You win one free Internet! *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:48 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant Yeah but you bought the advantage GUI license, right? *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant less than 5 seconds on my iPhone as well. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I doubt that 4 of my high end machines all have the same problem. The interface takes too long when it first shows up. Maybe it's because it gets all the information at once, maybe not. Don't care. I want it to be more smooth and faster. My phone (Droid Maxx) is one of the most recent models for Android. The interface is terribly slow and clumsy on that. Well if you feel a poor technology choice was the cause, that's fine, but it's just flat out wrong. I don't want to carry a big fat i7 laptop up the tower when I could just simply use my phone. It works with Ubiquiti, FSK Cambium, Tranzeo, Trango, Mikrotik, etc it should only make sense the one product with a clumsy interface needs fixed instead of changing my devices that work with the competitors products (as well as different products under their portfolio). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett af
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant
GoDaddy On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's your Powercode address? Who does your SSL cert? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 20, 2015 4:45 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I used to use Chrome. A few versions back they made it so that you cannot save passwords for SSL exceptions, and cannot add permanent exceptions. We use SSL on all of our APs, and according to chrome our Billing server cert is incorrect, even though we have triple checked the install and no other browsers flag it as insecure. This leaves us tapping away super long and complicated passwords (what else would we use??) out in the field in Chrome, or we use Firefox and deal with a bit of lag in Powercode. I find that the small amount of lag is far better than constantly trying to tap out passwords on a tablet. Ok, not trying to derail this too far OT. Have those of you who are experiencing the lag with EPMP tried another browser? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: User base is CLEARLY an important key!!! collected from W3Schools' log-files since 2002 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Chrome (no version attached) has 61% market share On January 20, 2015 10:31:25 AM AKST, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But wait until Windows 10 comes out with the Spartan browser. *From:* Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2qpcustomd=0 According to that everyone still uses Internet Explorer. I promise I'm as shocked as you are. Everyone uses Chrome nowadays. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Example: Powercode mostly loads and then seems to hang for quite awhile on Firefox, but loads fast on Chrome. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used EPMP but I have noticed some interfaces lag on one browser and not on another. What browser is everyone using when they see lag? What browser are those of you who aren't seeing lag using? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Good job of merging 2 threads! You win one free Internet! *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:48 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant Yeah but you bought the advantage GUI license, right? *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant less than 5 seconds on my iPhone as well. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I doubt that 4 of my high end machines all have the same problem. The interface takes too long when it first shows up. Maybe it's because it gets all the information at once, maybe not. Don't care. I want it to be more smooth and faster. My phone (Droid Maxx) is one of the most recent models for Android. The interface is terribly slow and clumsy on that. Well if you feel a poor technology choice was the cause, that's fine, but it's just flat out wrong. I don't want to carry a big fat i7 laptop up the tower when I could just simply use my phone. It works with Ubiquiti, FSK Cambium, Tranzeo, Trango, Mikrotik, etc it should only make sense the one product with a clumsy interface needs fixed instead of changing my devices that work with the competitors products (as well as different products under their portfolio). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i'm just stating that on all of our computers i've never seen the ePMP page load slowly. maybe it's a computer problem and not a device problem, just trying to bring valid input to the discussion. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why are you/others arguing that the speed is just fine? This doesn't even make sense. There are people with slower laptops that work with other modern devices and epmp is the only interface that loads slow. There's no point in arguing peoples valid complaints. Are you trying to direct the engineers attention to something else? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT firewall
If we VLAN traffic to each AP already how would we do a management VLAN?
Would we have to make every AP port a trunk port (pruned, of course), and
then let the radio do the tagging and untagging?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Brett A Mansfield
br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
It's possible there is a bug in the software then. All of my NATd radios
on 5.5.9 and older I can only access the management on the management VLAN,
but all of the ones running 5.5.10 I can access it on both the management
VLAN and untagged interfaces.
Though there may be something in the configuration causing it. I'm double
checking. It clearly shows management is set to the tagged vlan. Looks like
the bridge is missing in the config though. It must have wiped it out when
NAT was put in place.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Jesus Christ no.
No.
SSH, web, SNMP, etc only respond on whatever the management interface is.
If it's left default, it responds on what's assigned. If you vlan it off,
it only responds on that vlan. Other untagged traffic goes through as
bridged or routed depending on what you have configured.
On January 20, 2015 10:12:37 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
NATting in the radio just eliminates so many issues. It solved lots of
issues for us when we did it with Canopy. It was easy because the
management/NAT are always separated in Canopy. It just became part of our
standard practice.
So if we're doing NAT on the CPE, management traffic will go to the
public interface? That seems broken. What defines management traffic
besides SSH/WWW ports?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:07 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
You'll need to set up a dhcp server for that vlan or manually assign it.
Even with NAT on the CPE the management interface will work the same.
But when doing NAT you'll be able to access the radio from its public
address as well. There really is no reason to NAT at the radio with VLANs.
Any reason you'd do NAT at the radio?
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're bridging, where does the management VLAN get it's IP address?
Likewise (or almost likewise), if we're NATting in the CPE, is there a
place to assign the VLAN interface a different IP address?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:33 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
UBNT has a good video on this very thing. �If done right, all ssh
traffic would be passed through the radio to the customers router on the
public side and the management side will only be accessible internally.
Here is a link to their video on the VLAN setup for management.
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Frequently-Asked/airMAX-VLAN-management/ta-p/472529
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Management services only respond on the management vlan...
On January 20, 2015 9:17:24 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK.� Great.� We can put another IP on a management IP on the
VLAN.� How does that block the SSH logins?
Can you specify that SSH only goes through the management VLAN?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:14 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It creates another interface, a tagged one. You specify which interface
is the management interface. Don't route it out of your network.
On January 20, 2015 9:13:06 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
My understanding of the UBNT VLAN is that it's all one VLAN? How do you
split management/sub traffic?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Management. VLAN.
On January 20, 2015 8:51:22 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not the AP side, but the client side. We have traditionally NATted all
residential subs on Canopy, and were trying to do the same with UBNT.
With Canopy it's easy, because the NATted TCP stack just passes through,
and if SSH ports are open, it goes to the sub's router (no impact on the
SM).
Not so with UBNT, as the public IP for NAT is also the IP for the CPE.
Just wondering if anyone else has tried the CPE firewall to prevent
brute-force SSH logins.
I suppose I could cobble together something on the POP router, but
looking for options.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 9:37 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:
Generally a bad idea to use that firewall (at least on the access point
side) as it supposedly cuts into your PPS capacity on the
radio.
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Prince
Sent:
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT firewall
Do UBNT radios support .1Q?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
If we VLAN traffic to each AP already how would we do a management VLAN?
Would we have to make every AP port a trunk port (pruned, of course), and
then let the radio do the tagging and untagging?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Brett A Mansfield
br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
It's possible there is a bug in the software then. All of my NATd radios
on 5.5.9 and older I can only access the management on the management VLAN,
but all of the ones running 5.5.10 I can access it on both the management
VLAN and untagged interfaces.
Though there may be something in the configuration causing it. I'm double
checking. It clearly shows management is set to the tagged vlan. Looks like
the bridge is missing in the config though. It must have wiped it out when
NAT was put in place.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Jesus Christ no.
No.
SSH, web, SNMP, etc only respond on whatever the management interface is.
If it's left default, it responds on what's assigned. If you vlan it off,
it only responds on that vlan. Other untagged traffic goes through as
bridged or routed depending on what you have configured.
On January 20, 2015 10:12:37 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
NATting in the radio just eliminates so many issues. It solved lots of
issues for us when we did it with Canopy. It was easy because the
management/NAT are always separated in Canopy. It just became part of our
standard practice.
So if we're doing NAT on the CPE, management traffic will go to the
public interface? That seems broken. What defines management traffic
besides SSH/WWW ports?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:07 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
You'll need to set up a dhcp server for that vlan or manually assign it.
Even with NAT on the CPE the management interface will work the same.
But when doing NAT you'll be able to access the radio from its public
address as well. There really is no reason to NAT at the radio with VLANs.
Any reason you'd do NAT at the radio?
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're bridging, where does the management VLAN get it's IP
address?
Likewise (or almost likewise), if we're NATting in the CPE, is there a
place to assign the VLAN interface a different IP address?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:33 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
UBNT has a good video on this very thing. �If done right, all ssh
traffic would be passed through the radio to the customers router on the
public side and the management side will only be accessible internally.
Here is a link to their video on the VLAN setup for management.
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Frequently-Asked/airMAX-VLAN-management/ta-p/472529
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:
Management services only respond on the management vlan...
On January 20, 2015 9:17:24 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK.� Great.� We can put another IP on a management IP on the
VLAN.� How does that block the SSH logins?
Can you specify that SSH only goes through the management VLAN?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:14 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It creates another interface, a tagged one. You specify which interface
is the management interface. Don't route it out of your network.
On January 20, 2015 9:13:06 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
My understanding of the UBNT VLAN is that it's all one VLAN? How do
you split management/sub traffic?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 10:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Management. VLAN.
On January 20, 2015 8:51:22 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not the AP side, but the client side. We have traditionally NATted all
residential subs on Canopy, and were trying to do the same with UBNT.
With Canopy it's easy, because the NATted TCP stack just passes through,
and if SSH ports are open, it goes to the sub's router (no impact on the
SM).
Not so with UBNT, as the public IP for NAT is also the IP for the CPE.
Just wondering if anyone else has tried the CPE firewall to prevent
brute-force SSH logins.
I suppose I could cobble together something on the POP router, but
looking for options.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 9:37 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:
Generally a bad idea to use that firewall (at least on the access
point side) as it supposedly cuts into your PPS capacity on the
radio.
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant
Firefox also has a sync feature for passwords and bookmarks. Does the EPMP give you the option to save pass in Firefox? Do they use SSL? If so, that is why Chrome won't offer to save. On Jan 20, 2015 7:07 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have an original/Gen-I Moto X and the ePMP GUI is somewhat annoyingly slow. It's maybe 10-12 seconds of please wait and then another 4-5 seconds of getting dashboard messages. Once I'm logged in, it seems fine. But the auto refresh scrolling pages all on its own is very annoying. I'm sure they will improve it. One thing they definitely need to fix is that for whatever reason, I do not get the save this username/password option. No idea why that is. And yeah, that's Chrome. Chrome everywhere, because all of my bookmarks and passwords are sync'd. Even though Chrome's cache pisses me off to no end, and you wake up one morning and Google moved shit around.. I gots to have my bookmarks. On 1/20/2015 1:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Galaxy S4 First released 26 April 2013; 20 months ago Isn't this right around the ePMP development time? Granted the phone is a whole generation back but there's no excuse for something of that age to have problems on a radio management page. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: okay... I just timed it, on my phone (Galaxy S4) it takes about 25 seconds to get to the login... to actually get logged in and the first page loaded took me a full minute - for comparison, I can log into a UBNT radio and get the main page loaded in under 15 seconds. It takes 4-5 seconds to get to the login on my desktop. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what makes the GUI slow for you or anybody elseI have literally never seen it load slowly. Even on a crummy old Atom. Even on a cell phone. I don't know what to say. I doubt that 4 of my high end machines all have the same problem. The interface takes too long when it first shows up. Maybe it's because it gets all the information at once, maybe not. Don't care. I want it to be more smooth and faster. My phone (Droid Maxx) is one of the most recent models for Android. The interface is terribly slow and clumsy on that. Well if you feel a poor technology choice was the cause, that's fine, but it's just flat out wrong. I don't want to carry a big fat i7 laptop up the tower when I could just simply use my phone. It works with Ubiquiti, FSK Cambium, Tranzeo, Trango, Mikrotik, etc it should only make sense the one product with a clumsy interface needs fixed instead of changing my devices that work with the competitors products (as well as different products under their portfolio). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i'm just stating that on all of our computers i've never seen the ePMP page load slowly. maybe it's a computer problem and not a device problem, just trying to bring valid input to the discussion. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why are you/others arguing that the speed is just fine? This doesn't even make sense. There are people with slower laptops that work with other modern devices and epmp is the only interface that loads slow. There's no point in arguing peoples valid complaints. Are you trying to direct the engineers attention to something else? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Three, maybe four seconds to load the initial screen and then two maybe three seconds to login. As I doubt a screen capture will work when I'm RDPed in, I'll record the entire login process when I get home and post it up on YouTube. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:26:09 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant Login takes forever. The first like 10-15 seconds just load and load and load. Once you're in, it's acceptable in terms of page rendering. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: we use macbook pro's and the ePMP GUI has never been slow for us. It was UGLY, but they fixed that with version 2.0 haha. not sure why everyone says it's slow tho because we've never seen it. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:57 AM,
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant
Example: Powercode mostly loads and then seems to hang for quite awhile on Firefox, but loads fast on Chrome. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used EPMP but I have noticed some interfaces lag on one browser and not on another. What browser is everyone using when they see lag? What browser are those of you who aren't seeing lag using? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Good job of merging 2 threads! You win one free Internet! *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:48 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant Yeah but you bought the advantage GUI license, right? *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant less than 5 seconds on my iPhone as well. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I doubt that 4 of my high end machines all have the same problem. The interface takes too long when it first shows up. Maybe it's because it gets all the information at once, maybe not. Don't care. I want it to be more smooth and faster. My phone (Droid Maxx) is one of the most recent models for Android. The interface is terribly slow and clumsy on that. Well if you feel a poor technology choice was the cause, that's fine, but it's just flat out wrong. I don't want to carry a big fat i7 laptop up the tower when I could just simply use my phone. It works with Ubiquiti, FSK Cambium, Tranzeo, Trango, Mikrotik, etc it should only make sense the one product with a clumsy interface needs fixed instead of changing my devices that work with the competitors products (as well as different products under their portfolio). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i'm just stating that on all of our computers i've never seen the ePMP page load slowly. maybe it's a computer problem and not a device problem, just trying to bring valid input to the discussion. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why are you/others arguing that the speed is just fine? This doesn't even make sense. There are people with slower laptops that work with other modern devices and epmp is the only interface that loads slow. There's no point in arguing peoples valid complaints. Are you trying to direct the engineers attention to something else? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Three, maybe four seconds to load the initial screen and then two maybe three seconds to login. As I doubt a screen capture will work when I'm RDPed in, I'll record the entire login process when I get home and post it up on YouTube. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:26:09 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant Login takes forever. The first like 10-15 seconds just load and load and load. Once you're in, it's acceptable in terms of page rendering. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: we use macbook pro's and the ePMP GUI has never been slow for us. It was UGLY, but they fixed that with version 2.0 haha. not sure why everyone says it's slow tho because we've never seen it. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Ok, Cambium, this is a little sad. My Field Laptop, a Lenovo S10-3t, Atom Processor with Windows 8.1 cannot load the EPMP WEB Pages in a timely manner. We're talking 40-60 seconds for initial load, and 20-30 seconds per screen refresh/menu change. Since I'm going to have to go to the boss, and tell him that I need a new laptop to do any field troubleshooting for these new radios, what are the minimum system specs for a machine to view the EPMP Screens? Unless Cambium is going to get their Web interface under control as of Yesterday. They still swear that the GUI was all developed in house and not purchased (something I still can't believe). I'd like to know who the engineers/managers are who signed off on that design. I can only imaging that there was a group of guys sitting around the conference table, watching the presentation on the GUI on the projector up front, all nodding their heads in agreement, I think this is a wonderful layout, the field
Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover
Why would you leave it hanging on the end of a cable? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Make an rj45 male plug? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 16, 2015 12:07 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: Does a cover exist to snap over a keystone jack if you just leave it hanging on end of cable?
Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
11GHz is cheaper if I recall. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0? On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?
Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
Our 6GHz Trango Lynx was almost $12K with dishes. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: 11GHz is cheaper if I recall. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0? On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?
Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
It's really 60. Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet was a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP throughput that you can expect. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote: It’s really 60! *60 MHz * *CH* *N(* *G(* 1 5960.0250 6212.0650 2 6019.3250 6271.3650 3 6078.6250 6330.6650 4 6137.9250 6389.9650 As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment. If x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on the orthogonal polarization. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous? I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly because of antenna size. Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to multipath fades. So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz... IIRC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths can be licensed in what bands. I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 adjacent channels. There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: 11 ghz integra Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0? On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?
[AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC
I don't want to use the Tycon AF24 24-48V POE because it doesn't offer surge suppression, and it is another big plastic box. All of our sites are already standardized on GIGE-POE-APC surge/injectors. They are 24v sites. I need a decent 24-48V upconverter, preferably DIN mount, that has enough juice to power the AF24. Is anyone using a similar setup? Recommended products?
[AFMUG] FCC in Utah looking for TDWR offenders
I was just told that the FCC is in Utah searching for five locations that are running on TDWR frequencies between Ogden and Provo. Apparently they have been here for a week already collecting data for enforcement. Doug met with them for a couple of hours and they determined that it wasn't any of his equipment. I was asked to pass the information along because they want it cleared up ASAP. If anyone has anything broadcasting that may be bleeding over now would be the time to move it.
Re: [AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC
Yeah, I'm using the RSD on an enclosure site. This is a larger rackmount site, and has this -48v power supply http://www.trangosys.com/sites/default/files/support/documents/datasheets/DS-9030-C-Giga-PowerSupply-1U-48.pdf On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: If you used the RSD version it is completely isolated, so you can revers polarity on the output. This is also good when you have sites with -48 and +48 stuff. Seperated each to its own RSD. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I think you need to isolate based on other discussions. Not certain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 8:32 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwell it is. Another question...on another site I have a -48v rackmount power supply. If I reverse it can I power the AF or do I need to isolate it? Would I be better off just using the POE that comes with it? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Different model than mine I suppose, every Meanwell you can get an l bracket and aluminum din clip. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 8:02 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Not natively, I guess you could MacGyver it, but the input and output are on opposite ends, and there aren’t convenient holes to attach a DIN rail clip. You could look in the Mean Well catalog and see if they list a DIN rail adapter bracket for it. I just screw it to the backplate. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC Mean Well RSD 200W Looks DIN rail to me... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I just bite the bullet and use a Mean Well RSD 200W unit, it’s overkill, and not DIN rail, but it works good. The other solution that comes to mind is a 24V to 24V converter with isolated output, then stack the output on the existing 24V. It appears that Sola makes one, or there’s this very pricey 240W beast from Phoenix Contact: http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70239258 *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC I don't want to use the Tycon AF24 24-48V POE because it doesn't offer surge suppression, and it is another big plastic box. All of our sites are already standardized on GIGE-POE-APC surge/injectors. They are 24v sites. I need a decent 24-48V upconverter, preferably DIN mount, that has enough juice to power the AF24. Is anyone using a similar setup? Recommended products?
Re: [AFMUG] FCC in Utah looking for TDWR offenders
I would assume that they could find it in a day or two. I know that I could. I didn't talk to them. I'm just passing on info by request. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Hopefully it's not a WISP! Surely the FCC would have the equipment to track down the source in less than a week :-/ isn't there a huge NSA installation in Utah? On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I was just told that the FCC is in Utah searching for five locations that are running on TDWR frequencies between Ogden and Provo. Apparently they have been here for a week already collecting data for enforcement. Doug met with them for a couple of hours and they determined that it wasn't any of his equipment. I was asked to pass the information along because they want it cleared up ASAP. If anyone has anything broadcasting that may be bleeding over now would be the time to move it.
Re: [AFMUG] Monopole mounts
Chain mount I would think. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Paul, Close to you would be Connect-It Wireless. They're in FL and make some of the exact same stuff as Valmont, Andrew, etc. On 1/15/2015 7:13 PM, Paul McCall wrote: What is the preferred mounts for Monopole towers?� Never done one, believe it or not. � Easy or difficult ? � Paul � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net �
Re: [AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC
Meanwell it is. Another question...on another site I have a -48v rackmount power supply. If I reverse it can I power the AF or do I need to isolate it? Would I be better off just using the POE that comes with it? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Different model than mine I suppose, every Meanwell you can get an l bracket and aluminum din clip. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 8:02 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Not natively, I guess you could MacGyver it, but the input and output are on opposite ends, and there aren’t convenient holes to attach a DIN rail clip. You could look in the Mean Well catalog and see if they list a DIN rail adapter bracket for it. I just screw it to the backplate. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC Mean Well RSD 200W Looks DIN rail to me... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I just bite the bullet and use a Mean Well RSD 200W unit, it’s overkill, and not DIN rail, but it works good. The other solution that comes to mind is a 24V to 24V converter with isolated output, then stack the output on the existing 24V. It appears that Sola makes one, or there’s this very pricey 240W beast from Phoenix Contact: http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70239258 *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Power AF24 with GIGE-POE-APC - 24v-48v DC-DC I don't want to use the Tycon AF24 24-48V POE because it doesn't offer surge suppression, and it is another big plastic box. All of our sites are already standardized on GIGE-POE-APC surge/injectors. They are 24v sites. I need a decent 24-48V upconverter, preferably DIN mount, that has enough juice to power the AF24. Is anyone using a similar setup? Recommended products?
Re: [AFMUG] Monopole mounts
That is what Dijab uses. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Pretty sure Gino's guys used a billion of them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure I trust those chain mounts ...but I have been wrong a few times in my life Jaime Solorza On Jan 15, 2015 6:28 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Chain mount I would think. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Paul, Close to you would be Connect-It Wireless. They're in FL and make some of the exact same stuff as Valmont, Andrew, etc. On 1/15/2015 7:13 PM, Paul McCall wrote: What is the preferred mounts for Monopole towers?� Never done one, believe it or not. � Easy or difficult ? � Paul � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net �
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
...and if you login they're $39.60 ea. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Street price at Streakwave: http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=GIGE-POE-APCeq=Tp= $59.46 Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And the street price is? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions MSRP 70 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: News to me. Who is selling them for that price? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read
I thought I had ran into one of these at an install last month. They were
adamant that there should be no WiFi signals in their house. I explained
to them that the antenna on the roof was talking to the tower above their
house using WiFi, and there were likely many, many WiFi frequencies going
throughout their house. They looked at me the way that I was looking at
them (like they had three heads). As it turns out, they just didn't want
their teenager looking at porn in his bedroom.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Yah.� I've read about this a couple years ago.� Guess there aren't
too many WISPs in the area...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/
