Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
John, I think you made a smart decision - being a seasoned investor in the NJ market for over 12 years - I think AP is one of the best buy's in the Northeast.? One mile of beach one hour from NYC.? I owned in Jersey City, Montclair, South Orange and OG and wish I had the capital to put down in AP now.? The pledge of capital from Madison Marquis makes it a no-brainer.? Also, relative to new construction in Hoboken, JC and other areas of the tri-state region - you will do well (a family member of mine just bought a new construction condo in Hoboken for over 1.2million...). Good luck! Best regards, Bill -Original Message- From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:32 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? I hope I am correct also.only time will tell!! Since I decided to buy in AP I have tried to remain as optimistic as possible.but understand there are challenges ahead and am trying to also be realistic. I am a newcomer and have not suffered through all of the false promises and delays that many of you have been subjected to. I remain hopeful because I see how engaged and passionate the people on this board and the people I have met in AP are about the AP community. We also have some serious people involved in the water front development now and what has already happened on Cookman is so cool and amazing to me. John --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John I hope you are correct. There are so many ways things could play out and if anyone of us knew we would make a ton of $$$. As I said before I love the building plans and believe the marketing of a lifestyle canpaign is great. However people sign contracts and people drop out. The unit is not sold untill there is a closing. Money they are taking in now should not be used for marketing or construction. Funds should be in escrow or could be used if a bond is posted. There are ways out of a contract. This is why North Beach has a discount (I believe 10%) for completed invertory. I do not know if this market slump has hit bottom. While we have seen some positive signs this past two months we still are in a buyers market and we don't know if things have leveled off yet. - Original Message From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:29:45 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? Understood.. thanks for the clarification. I do not agree on all points. In my opinion now that the market is difficult, they need to spend more than ever to market the property. They are also contracting units.so the money they are spending on marketing is paying off. As far as the point of having nothing to sellonce there is a contract, buyers are contractually obligated to buy once their unit is completed or they will lose their deposits. With the percentage and profile of the buyers that are buying in the building I would guess this is not going to be a problem. John --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I do not claim to have specific information. I have said in previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this slump. While it is good for the town, and the other developers who currently have product to sell, it make me worried. I did not slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were looking to get out of Asbury. Simply said thier actions make me nervous which is an opinion. Isn't this board for opinions? I do not pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this is irresponsible. I wish them the best of luck and I love the design and marketing of the project. Just some of the business decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is involved in right now, are really big. - Original Message From: nobepeymay john@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I worry about metro Allan, I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to back up your statement. What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried about Metro? John - Original Message From: oakdorf oakdorf@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price slashed by $106,000. (20%) And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J., got lowered by nearly $100,000. (less then 1%) Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR.
[AsburyPark] Money to Aid Crime Fight in Asbury Park, Long Branch, and Neptune
$1M to fight crime in 2 counties Wednesday, September 12, 2007 BY WILLIAM KLEINKNECHT Star-Ledger Staff The Justice Department has awarded $1 million in grants to local law enforcement agencies in Essex and Monmouth counties to combat violent crime. The grants, which were announced yesterday by U.S. Sens. Frank Lautenberg and Robert Menendez, are aimed at helping police in 10 towns in Essex and three in Monmouth purchase equipment and beef up street patrols. New Jersey's finest will have the funds they need to acquire new protective gear, update communications systems and increase community police patrols, Lautenberg said in a statement. These resources will help law enforcement remove drugs from our streets and make high-crime areas safer. The grants are earmarked under the Edward Byrne Memorial State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance Grant Program, designed to help reduce the incidence of violent crime. It is named after a New York City police officer executed by a Queens drug dealer in 1988. Among the uses of the grant money will be computers for police in Newark and East Orange, in-car and on-motorcycle video systems for Bloomfield, a new prisoner-transport vehicle in Irvington, increased youth gang investigations in Maplewood and stepped-up foot patrols in Maplewood, Orange and South Orange. In addition, West Orange will buy a new evidence storage locker system, Essex County will improve its records management system, and Asbury Park, Long Branch and Neptune will pool funds to buy radios and other communications equipment. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Springsteen at work bright and early.
pulled into CH around 8:45. I was riding down the bw this am for the first time on over a month and they were parking cars in CH. So I hung out for 5 minutes and up he pulled, smiling away. I realized then I should stop playing around and get to work as well. Then I thought of a blog topic.. Does Patti when B is home hanging out, say to him what are you doing today...don't you have any work to do? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Metro Homes
Metro had another 4 page wrapper/ad on the NYC edition of the Metro newspaper. Esperanza was front cover. Detailed their 4 developments (2 Hoboken, 1 JC and 1 AP), almost like flavors, each development offering something different. The Esperanza of course gives you the beach, and as Metro put it, to be part of a community's renaissance. Smart, slick and well done. I think we will see lower interest rates in the coming months, more likely after the end of the year. Jumbo mortgage rates will come down to realistic levels. We are seeing a knee-jerk reaction right now. Things will pick up next year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pulled into CH around 8:45. I was riding down the bw this am for the first time on over a month and they were parking cars in CH. So I hung out for 5 minutes and up he pulled, smiling away. I realized then I should stop playing around and get to work as well. Then I thought of a blog topic.. Does Patti when B is home hanging out, say to him what are you doing today...don't you have any work to do? When you and I bring home as much bacon as the Juice then we won;t be asked those questions. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Sound Off on APP.COM
In today's Asbury park Press the following editorial appears. Eminent domain: Continue fight Assembly bill 138 would have put the eminent domain reform question on the ballot this November for the voters to deal with. ACR 138 was tabled in an Assembly budget session. I am calling for a statewide strategy. Pressure needs to be applied to those legislators who stood in the way of eminent domain reform. In Long Branch, townspeople are so frustrated with the tax-and-spend mentality of Mayor Adam Schneider's administration, coupled with the abuse of eminent domain, they are looking for new leadership at City Hall. Camden has successfully battled many pro-eminent domain forces. Assembly Speaker Joseph Roberts, D-Camden, no friend to property owners, has to be beaten at the polls this November. Senate President Richard Codey, D-Essex, who has clearly sided with mayors who use eminent domain for private gain, has to be confronted at the polls as well. We need to stop eminent domain abuse from doing any more harm to property rights in New Jersey. The Legislature has failed to produce reform in the last two years. On June 21, 48 Assembly members voted to table ACR 138. We can start with them. If they want to serve us in an elected capacity, then let them have a change of heart and protect us from any further abuse of eminent domain. Otherwise, let's send them back to private life. Many people think it is too late to do anything. The deadline to run a candidate has passed, people are trapped in litigation over this issue and we are apathetic and worn down. We cannot quit. We need to continue to fight all the way to the polls to change this thing that has harmed so many in our state. The Rev. Kevin Brown LONG BRANCH We need to show strength by numbers. Please consider going to _http://www.app.com_ (http://www.app.com) Click on opinions link and scroll to the comments section at the bottom of the page and sound off on this issue. Thank you Kevin NEWS AND INFORMATION WITH A UNIQUE TWIST The Brown Report on the Electric News weeknights a 7 est._www.electricnews.com_ (http://www.electricnews.com/) KEVIN BROWN ALSO PUBLISHES _www.njeminentdomainabuse.com_ (http://www.njeminentdomainabuse.com/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
Is it true that they are going to play a radio outside the paramount so people pressing their ears to the doors can't hear in? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
Actually, they are in Convention Hall. It appears they have 2 PA speakers set up that have cables running into CH, so i'd like to think that they are sending a feed from the mixing board to those so people can actually listen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it true that they are going to play a radio outside the paramount so people pressing their ears to the doors can't hear in? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
You're the expert! Maybe I'll go later and see if I can hear anything. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, they are in Convention Hall. It appears they have 2 PA speakers set up that have cables running into CH, so i'd like to think that they are sending a feed from the mixing board to those so people can actually listen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Is it true that they are going to play a radio outside the paramount so people pressing their ears to the doors can't hear in? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
kevin, Rep., Jefferson he of the money in the fridge was a reverend as well.? I think Norman Hsu was very religious as well, I think he was a Mooney! -Original Message- From: Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:34 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Yea, just like the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher who just got caught taking bribes. That sure prooves your point. Not! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Springsteen rehearsals
Actually, they have been blasting radio stations very loudly the last two days so that no one can hear the rehearsals. First day it was The Point, 94.3, and yesterday, WHTG. :) Jean Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're the expert! Maybe I'll go later and see if I can hear anything. Well, before he got there, the only music coming out was some caribbean music. I must of been asleep because now the Beach Bar looks pretty nice with new marketing as well. Almost all the tackiness is gone. And TD I thought you'd get us in one of those side doors. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
Jean The lurker will hook me and tommy and our kids up for a sneak peak): Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
Well, I guess they don't want the superfans recording the rehearsal and posting it on the web. Kinda makes sense. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, they have been blasting radio stations very loudly the last two days so that no one can hear the rehearsals. First day it was The Point, 94.3, and yesterday, WHTG. :) Jean Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
Thanks Jean. As a kid here in AP there wasn't a concert in CH that I couldn't sneak into. I knew every unlocked door and hole in the wall. Maybe I'll drop by later to see if I still have my skilz. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, they have been blasting radio stations very loudly the last two days so that no one can hear the rehearsals. First day it was The Point, 94.3, and yesterday, WHTG. :) Jean Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
When you and I bring home as much bacon as the Juice then we won;t be asked those questions. There is NEVER enough because those quetions HAVE to be asked. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
. I knew every unlocked door and hole in the wall. Maybe I'll drop by later to see if I still have my skilz. I think the guy at the beach bar was snoozing. You got ropes? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrap text Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you and I bring home as much bacon as the Juice then we won;t be asked those questions. There is NEVER enough because those quetions HAVE to be asked. You sound like my dad - why be happy with one loaf when you can have two? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Communism in Brooklyn
Suspect that this will someday be an issue on Cookman. `City Playing a Big Role in Screwing Up My Neighborhood' By Sarah Ryley Brooklyn Daily Eagle BROOKLYN HEIGHTS The City Council is considering using a big stick to stave off the extinction of mom and pop shops, particularly in the city's hardest-hit neighborhoods, such as Downtown Brooklyn, Fort Greene and Brooklyn Heights. In these places, the proliferation of banks, cell phone service providers, drug stores and other national chains has many residents crying, There goes the neighborhood. City Councilman David Yassky, D-Brooklyn Heights/Downtown, said at a hearing on the matter last week that he's counted 24 cell phone service providers within eight blocks of his district office at 114 Court St. He later told the Eagle he considers Montague Street in Brooklyn Heights among the commercial corridors where small, locally owned businesses are the most endangered. Seven banks and two drugstores dominate one block of Montague Street, between Court and Clinton streets. Further down, locally owned businesses are huddled next to national chain stores like Ann Taylor Loft, Starbucks and Banana Republic, and the now-ubiquitous real estate offices. Those locally owned businesses, even those considered neighborhood institutions for decades, are threatened, said Judy Stanton, executive director of the Brooklyn Heights Association. Steadily escalating rents and property taxes are chief among the concerns of property owners and small businesses, she said. The [property] owners would say to us, `I can't help it, but my rents are a reflection of our property taxes,' said Stanton. As for property owners who are the main proprietors of their building, Stanton said they're asking, If the tax increases continue, and they're already escalating a lot, why should we struggle and stay in our store when we could just rent to a Verizon, another ATT, another national chain?' We adore all these stores. We don't want them to leave, and we don't want to be a mall where everything looks the same, said Stanton. Chain stores don't contribute to the community. When you go in and talk about something, they refer you to a regional manager who never calls you back. Melissa Ennen, who owns a building on Atlantic Avenue and counts three non-profits among her tenants, said her yearly real estate tax went up this year from $26,000 to $84,000. That's not me raising their rent, that's the city raising my real estate tax. And the city is playing a big role in screwing up my neighborhood right now. Ennen brought with her a retail rental corridor study published by Massey Knakal Real Estate Services that she said cites much higher average rental prices than many of the small businesses are paying, or could afford to pay. It's a lot more complicated than greedy landlords trying to raise the rent, said Ennen. On Montague between Court and Clinton Streets, Massey Knakal said the average rent is $112 per square foot. Estella Johannesen, owner of James Weir Floral Co., said she now pays about $80 per square foot for the space she's rented on that block for the past 15 years, but her lease is up for re-negotiation at the end of the month. Johannasen said her business would be in trouble if she were forced to pay what the real estate firm is suggesting, but a bigger concern for her is the proliferation of online florists. A lot of people buy from the Internet these days, that's what's hurting us the most. Ellen Hamilton, who owns Hamilton Design Associates on Hicks Street, an interior design firm that sells home furnishings, testified that she'd like to move to Montague Street but can't afford the rent. I'm deeply frustrated because my business, though it's extremely well-appreciated, I still can't compete with Verizon, real estate offices, banks, she said. I want to get to [Montague Street] before Pottery Barn does. Yassky, chair of the Small Business Committee, said the Council is open to considering a variety of measures to protect small businesses, from zoning and tax reform to policies in other cities such as San Francisco, where residents are notified whenever a chain store applies to open and can request a hearing. Yassky said he was intrigued by a suggestion Vanessa Gruen of the Municipal Arts Society made: to regulate `formula businesses,' which are defined as establishments that are required by contract to adopt standardized services, methods of operation, décor, architecture or other features identical to businesses located in other communities. Gruen said, These laws do not prevent a chain store from coming in, but they do require that the incoming chain not look or operate like any other branch in the country. This had proved to be a deterrent to chains, which generally refuse to veer from their standardized, cookie-cutter approach. © Brooklyn Daily Eagle 2007 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/
[AsburyPark] FYI
September 12, 2007 -- The National Association of Realtors reduced its home sales forecast for the ninth time this year and said the housing slump will extend into 2008. Existing home sales are expected to fall 8.6 percent in 2007, exceeding the 6.8 percent drop estimated a month ago. New-home sales probably will decline 24 percent on top of an 18 percent fall in 2006, the trade group said yesterday in a statement. New home sales won't reach a bottom until the first quarter of 2008, the organization said. A month ago, the Realtors said the low point would be at the end of this year. Some analysts said the Realtors were actually being too optimistic. The group's forecast said existing home sales and prices, as well as new home prices, will increase in 2008 - an outlook more upbeat than an Aug. 30 forecast from Lehman Brothers. Sales of existing homes will continue to fall through the middle of next year and then level off before gaining in 2009, the Lehman report said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher Liberal Progressive Democrat? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, Reverend? Why not add Dirty F#king Hippie while you're at it. On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:34 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: Yea, just like the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher who just got caught taking bribes. That sure prooves your point. Not! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
[AsburyPark] Re: Communism in Brooklyn
interesting, but true. MY favorite line of course: It's a lot more complicated than greedy landlords trying to raise the rent, said Ennen Especially where taxes continue to rise, and, THAT is true and more so in residential (more so in pricate home rentals). Example: 700 sq ft house in Ocean Twp. Landlord charges $1000 month in rent Pays mortgage on $181,000 Pays RE Taxes of $3700 So for a small operator who did BUY their building or location, you have to compete with the nationals or those who have deeper pcokets for your space at the end of your lease. If the government wants to control rents and keep those moms and pops in place, then the government will have to control TAXES or build their won government owned or subsidized commercial centers. Many businesses struggle. As the article pointed out, the INTERNET can kill you. Like my own kid, asking to stop at EB games when I left the home depot to get MADDEN NFL. Told him to go home and order it off Amazon. He laughed at me and what save $2.00? Told him yep. COndier the fact that the taco bell I got him cost me around $4.00. Lastly, many of the chains are taking steps to conform to local neighborhoods so they blend in. Hence the lifestyle centers intended to tone down strip centers and malls. And it will Asbury from the boardwalk to Cookman. Common sense. Oh - there goes that word. Here's a thought. When I left Wegmans last night, I turned around and looked at the building. Actaully kind of ugly in it's own way. It reminded me of something and I remembered - Wesley Grove along Cookman. Take a look. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: FYI
told u a year ago the NAR numbers never showed reality. And I failed stats at Monmouth a couple times. Ap is its own animal. Some interesting single famimly homes on the market. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Communism in Brooklyn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a thought. When I left Wegmans last night, I turned around and looked at the building. Actaully kind of ugly in it's own way. It reminded me of something and I remembered - Wesley Grove along Cookman. Take a look. yeah but I love it. I go for one thing and spend more time in there than HD. Love their cookware dept. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a kid here in AP there wasn't a concert in CH that I couldn't sneak into. I knew every unlocked door and hole in the wall. === In the Good Days I had the keys to the place. My office was where the bar is now on the south side. I've been in places there that few people even know about. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in places there that few people even know about. Or even want to imagine ;) Did you get the cake I baked with a file in it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
Werner, Is it true that there is a tunnel under the boardwalk that runs all the way to the power plant near the Casino? Also, are there any interesting CH secrets that you'd be willing to share? Last year, there was an event in CH that was free to the public, so I wandered in. Somehow I managed to sneak backstage and explored all sorts of cool areas. I wish I had my camera with me, because there were some very cool old artifacts to be seen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: As a kid here in AP there wasn't a concert in CH that I couldn't sneak into. I knew every unlocked door and hole in the wall. === In the Good Days I had the keys to the place. My office was where the bar is now on the south side. I've been in places there that few people even know about. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Park Bid Rig defendant pleas guilty
Vinnie Baker faces up to 20 years in prison Posted by the _Asbury Park Press_ (http://www.app.com/) on 09/12/07 BY _BOB CULLINANE_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) STAFF WRITER NEWARK - Vincent E. Vinny'' Baker, the former owner of an Asbury Park restaurant, pleaded guilty today to laundering $15,000 he received from an FBI operative during Operation Bid Rig,'' an undercover sting operation that resulted in corruption charges against more than 20 public officials. Baker, 63, told U.S District Court Judge Jose L. Linares that he received the cash in May and June 2001 from Robert Duke'' Steffer, the FBI's cooperating witness who was posing as a demolition contractor. In return for the cash, Baker said today I issued (Steffer) a check on two occasions for $6,750 each,'' for a total of $13,500. The difference of $1,500 was Baker's fee'' for laundering the cash. In exchange for his plea, the U.S. Attorney's Office will dismiss bribery charges against Baker upon his sentencing. Judge Linares set sentencing for Dec. 19. Baker faces up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Read Thursday's Asbury Park Press for complete coverage of this story. NEWS AND INFORMATION WITH A UNIQUE TWIST The Brown Report on the Electric News weeknights a 7 est._www.electricnews.com_ (http://www.electricnews.com/) KEVIN BROWN ALSO PUBLISHES _www.njeminentdomainabuse.com_ (http://www.njeminentdomainabuse.com/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, Is it true that there is a tunnel under the boardwalk that runs all the way to the power.. The tunnel is true. Around 1980, we had the store at first ave. We discovered it while scraping away the tiling. Opened up the manhole cover and looked at each other. We went back to the 'digger and got a case of michelob off chuck, guzzled it and found a flashlight... we didn't go that far. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
You sound like my dad - why be happy with one loaf when you can have two? not talking women): Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
It's too bad that more of classic AP doesn't exist anymore. I bet Werner and a few others here could've made some money leading Underground Asbury tours. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Werner, Is it true that there is a tunnel under the boardwalk that runs all the way to the power.. The tunnel is true. Around 1980, we had the store at first ave. We discovered it while scraping away the tiling. Opened up the manhole cover and looked at each other. We went back to the 'digger and got a case of michelob off chuck, guzzled it and found a flashlight... we didn't go that far. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen at work bright and early.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound like my dad - why be happy with one loaf when you can have two? not talking women): You know my dad? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I use to hide my money in my freezer, years ago. But I moved it. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kevin, Rep., Jefferson he of the money in the fridge was a reverend as well.? I think Norman Hsu was very religious as well, I think he was a Mooney! -Original Message- From: Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:34 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Yea, just like the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher who just got caught taking bribes. That sure prooves your point. Not! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, docp101@ wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien lightgrw@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Yahoo! Groups Links __ __ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Dog Lovers Question
Are there any Mastiff owners on this list. I have an English Mastiff, 4 months, she is the best animal I have ever known. Are there any other Mastiff owners out here!!! Kevin Baby Independence Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Well gee John, was he a hippy too? KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher Liberal Progressive Democrat? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, Reverend? Why not add Dirty F#king Hippie while you're at it. On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:34 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: Yea, just like the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher who just got caught taking bribes. That sure prooves your point. Not! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, docp101@ wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien lightgrw@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/10/2007 9:51:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We will. Mario's buying me beer the last night (I think it's September 30). I of course owe Oak a beer or three. I think apoojo owes me one, also. It's either going to be a funeral or a re-birth. Let's hope for the latter. A beer? Sheeit! I'll cover your bar tab that night for all you did last week. And not once touting it here. (That phrase agreement, of course, still holds.) In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:11:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've tried to stay out of this conversation; will you permit me to end it? Also Mario, please forgive me for violating my own rule and using something anecdotal: Growing up in my house, my mother had pictures of only 3 men on the walls - Elvis, Jesus and Jack Kennedy (and I think she had them in that order of importance;-)) Of course liberals believe in God. I've got nothing against anecdotes; they are useful, especially when used to lighten the tone. It's anecdotal evidence that I object to; it's rarely accepted as proof; worse even than analogies which are the second least effective in debate. Can that please be the end of this silly thread? It is a silly subject line; if I had authored it, I'd be embarrassed every time saw it in a Re: [Asbury Park] But confirms your tab anyway as per agreement. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 7:51:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If conservatives are about limited government and liberals are about government involvement then I think the only real conservatives left are the Libertains. Because those who today label themselves conservative are often just religious liberal, using the government to drive their own agenda just as traditional liberals do. The only difference is that atleast traditional liberals are honest about it. I'd say zealots instead of liberals, but otherwise your post reveals the uselessness of the traditional party slogans. (e.g., One nation Under God; under God was inserted in 1954 under pressure during the McCarthy period. Depends on whose ox is being gored by big government programs: the poor, the people getting capital gains and estate tax reductions; K Street lobbyists or social welfare programs; offshore companies and corps getting contracts they don't have to submit biids for; et al.; Eminent Domain used/abused for public or private gain. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:32:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Brown is no monkey. Correct. I know because one of his web sites says he can ordain me as a minister. For $5,000 and six months study; moreover, some of the prerequisites for admission can be waived after a personal interview. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 10:01:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The examples you have given equal religion vs. no religion. Pick one of your examples. Let me make it perfectly clear, in my opinion, religion causes more problems than it is worth. Reasonable conclusion from history: Jihadist beheadings, Christian Inquisition trials, or shootings at Abortion clinics. Strict dogmatism in any group. Stalinists as Secular Religionists; Fascist race superiority; Klu Klux Klans crosses ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jersey John, Not sure what your rambling post was about but this sure sounds Republican... GOD BLESS AMERICA! No America in the Sermon of the Mount.Rather the sermon refers to the Blessed are... as any people who cultivate certain virtues. I don't think Tom Delay's America or the corrupt of all stripes and any domain would be among the Blessed. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue. Depends on what you mean by skirt. Juggling excerpts from scripture and slogans are shallow answers to questions about most issues raised here. E.g.: How will Asbury Park Benefit from JSRM. I also do not respond to people who do not have a profile identifying who they really are. Nor I. doc_p has no profile, and I've had experiences with his sending me personal email whose tone and intent was to intimidate me from posting my perspectives here. (2-3 yrs. ago) Yahoo suggested, as a first response, that I delete, without reading, or auto send his mail to spam and save for their future reference. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 5:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for. Most liberals or at least labor unions did also. Clinton's wing of the Democratic Party was quite moderate on economic and trade issues: The Democratic Leadership group. I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others. Kinda sounds independent to me. Goldwater came out for gay rights; Lester Maddox late in life apologized for his opposition to the MLK Civil Rights movement; Wm. F. Buckley, father of modern conservatism, favors the legalization of drugs which now called illicit; Hagel and other Republicans oppose Bush's handling of the war. No need to admit. Anyone who understands politics knows the continuum of political views on various issues To really find out what label applies to you, try this site. You answer a series of questions; then your views are charted on a graph with not the simple continuum, but with a sophisticated graph, with both horizontal and vertical (forgot what they're called.) But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal. I love those guys. Dittoheads -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain. Amazing! Dittoheads are our era's version of the herd animals in Animal Farm: no understanding, just bleating of slogans to out-shout dissenters: Four legs good! Two Legs bad! Love it or Leave it. These Colors don't Run, USA! USA! USA! et al. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park Bid Rig defendant pleas guilty
In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:21:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vinnie Baker faces up to 20 years in prison N EWARK - Vincent E. Vinny'' Baker, the former owner of an Asbury Park restaurant, pleaded guilty today to laundering $15,000 he received from an FBI operative during Operation Bid Rig,'' an undercover sting operation that resulted in corruption charges against more than 20 public officials. Greed is too commonplace and occurs across the spectrum. And most everyone loves when they get caught: Enron executives, Dom Delay's fundraising etc. But seems that Americans are less tolerant of those who proclaim immorality and damnation on other citizens and vote their public voice; while being hypocritical in their private lives. Religious conservative Repub Coy Privette got caught because he wrote blank checks to pay a prostitute: Privette, a 74-year old retired [Baptist] pastor, has _pleaded_ (http://www.independenttribune.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CIT/MGArticle/CIT_BasicArticl ec=MGArticlecid=1173352256722path=!news) guilty to six counts of soliciting a prostitute. Privette is a long-time participant in North Carolina politics, spending eight years in the state house and another nine as a commissioner of Cabarrus County. He is a staunch social conservative and, until recently, President of the Christian Action League. googlable Letter to the Charlotsville Observer: In response to Board tries to limit Privette (Sept. 5):Does anyone remember Coy Privette riding into Charlotte on a white stallion threatening eternal damnation to anyone who voted for liquor-by-the-drink in 1978?What about the billboard he erected at the intersection of Monroe Road Eastway Drive depicting a cocktail glass with a ball and chain attached? Ranting against immorality of alcohol and lotteries: _http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/1614111/and_ (http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/1614111/and) His bio in the NC Manual said, among many other things, that he was a member of the National Consultation on Pornography, so the charges had most folks flummoxed. _http://jackbetts.blogspot.com/2007/07/hell-has-frozen-over.html_ (http://jackbetts.blogspot.com/2007/07/hell-has-frozen-over.html) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 1:10:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Liberal Progressive Democrat? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, Reverend? Be proud of that epithet when it's thrown at you. Those words carry negative connotations only among the herd-like dittoheads. Why not add Dirty F#king Hippie while you're at it. Commie, Pinko, vermin, dot head too. Four Legs Good! Two Legs Bad! repeated endlessly. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
In a message dated 9/12/2007 2:45:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the Good Days I had the keys to the place. My office was where the bar is now on the south side. In the Good ol' Days, I saw Jesus Christ Superstar there. I don't remember the date. Werner? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:39:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure he's not, but...whenever somebody posts something that addresses how the homeless population effects AP and it's residents, he never answers the question, he just skirts the issue. See why: _Liberals More Likely Than Conservatives To Break From Habitual ..._ (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/07091852.htm) Science Daily (press release) - USA Science Daily -- Liberals are more likely than are conservatives to respond to cues signaling the need to change habitual responses, according to a new study ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=enncl=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/07091852.htm) _Brain Differences In Liberals and Conservatives_ (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/0215210) Slashdot - USA i_like_spam writes Scientists from NYU and UCLA report in Nature Neuroscience that the brains of Democrats and Republicans process information differently. ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=enncl=http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/0215210) _Do You Have a Left-Wing or a Right-Wing Brain?_ (http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=mw*aid=*time=pm) Elliott Wave - Gainesville,GA,USA Scientists at New York University and UCLA published their study this week in the journal Nature Neuroscience. It turns out that liberals cope with ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=enncl=http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=mw*aid=*time=pm) _Political Science, Meet Politicized Science_ (http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/09/political_science_meet_politic.html) Discovery Institute - Seattle,WA,USA (A) specific region of the brain's cortex is more sensitive in people who consider themselves liberals than in self-declared conservatives, they advise us. _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=enncl=http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/09/political_science_meet_politic.html) Google Blogs Alert: _Liberals More Likely Than Conservatives To Break From Habitual ..._ (http://science .originalsignal.com/article/32661/liberals-more-likely-than-conservatives-to-break-from-habitual-responses-study-finds.html) Liberals are more likely than are conservatives to respond to cues signaling the need to change habitual responses, according to a new study by researchers at New York University and UCLA. The findings, which show that self-rated ... _Original Signal - Transmitting Science - http://science.originalsignal.com _ (http://science.originalsignal.com/) _Neuroscience News - Healthcare Industry Today_ (http://health.einnews.com/news/neuroscience) Study: Liberal And Conservative Brains Process Information Differently 10 Sep 2007 01:50 GMT ... UCLA showed through a simple experiment to be reported ... _Study finds left-wing brain, right-wing brain_ (http://tailrank.com/2571493/Study-finds-left-wing-brain-right-wing-brain) Even in humdrum nonpolitical decisions, liberals and conservatives ... in the journal Nature Neuroscience , scientists at New York University and UCLA show ... _Study: Liberal And Conservative Brains Process Information ..._ (http://www.brownpride.us/forum/study-liberal-and-conservative-brains-process-information -differently-t11263.html) Conservatives see black white, liberals see shades of gray. reported Monday in the journal Nature Neuroscience that political orientation is related ... _#Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than ..._ (http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/2bc0daf55 328/93ada65a2c1e6f6a) liberals tolerate ambiguity and conflict better than conservatives because of how their brains work. Scientists at New York University and UCLA showed ... _Sexy Hot Beauty: UCLA Discovers Liberal Brain, Conservative Brain_ (http://sexyhotbeauty.blogspot.com/2007/09/ucla-discovers-liberal-brain.html) UCLA Discovers Liberal Brain, Conservative Brain ... experiment reported todayin the journal Nature Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA ... Google News Alert: _Bruin Recap - So Far, So Good_ (http://laist.com/2007/09/04/ucla_bruin_recap.php) LAist - Los Angeles,CA,USA Since it's already Tuesday and UCLA's 45-17 victory over lowly Stanford feels like an eternity ago, we won't give you any game recap of what was an ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=enncl=http://laist.com/2007/09/04/ucla_bruin_recap.php) _Dirty Larry_ (http://www.slate.com/id/2173015/) Slate - USA A few liberal bloggers point out Craig's support for the federal Defense of Marriage Act, plus his opposition to a bill that would have banned job ... _See all stories on this topic_
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:26:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, Is it true that there is a tunnel under the boardwalk that runs all the way to the power.. The tunnel is true. Around 1980, we had the store at first ave. We discovered it while scraping away the tiling. Opened up the manhole cover and looked at each other. We went back to the 'digger and got a case of michelob off chuck, guzzled it and found a flashlight... we didn't go that far. Was that a different tunnel from the one which ran under Ocean Ave ---from the Monte Carlo pool to lockers and the ocean beach if I remember right? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. Wow! Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000, and maybe a 50% discount. _Click here: Ministry Training_ (http://web.archive.org/web/20050121072817/www.lighthousemission.com/SCHOOL.htm) Even get waivers: _Click here: Ministry Training_ (http://web.archive.org/web/20060207181424/www.lighthousemission.com/SCHOOL.htm) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Mario, Blah Blah.? If this is your idea of intimidation, you are doing a poor job.? But then I've come to expect nothing less from you! Now can we end this thread since every one (myself included) has made their respective points.? So Lets move on about how to?make money in AP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues.? I answer questions relevent to the issue.? I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue.? Depends on what you mean by skirt.? Juggling excerpts from scripture and slogans are shallow answers to questions about most issues raised here.? E.g.:? How will Asbury Park Benefit from JSRM. I also do not respond to people who do not have a profile identifying who they really are. Nor I.? ? doc_p has no profile, and I've had experiences with his sending me personal email whose tone and intent was?to intimidate me from posting my perspectives here.? (2-3 yrs. ago)? Yahoo suggested, as a first response, that I delete, without reading, or auto send his mail to spam and save for their future reference. ? ? ? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:57:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use to hide my money in my freezer, years ago. From tuition checks? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Alright Kevin - here's an issue related to a discussion we had a couple of weeks ago that you appear to have skirted several times despite my asking you very directly. You have been extremely critical of anyone who questions our commander in chief on Iraq - essentially saying it is wrong to question the CIC when our people are in harms way. So this is the fourth time I've asked you the same question... When we were in harms way in the balkans, did you also support our then President Clinton as aggressively as you are now supporting Bush? Let's see if you can avoid skirting the issue. I'm sure the previous times I've asked you just forgot to respond. In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. Athiests for Jesus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. Wow! Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000, and maybe a 50% discount. Click here: Ministry Training Even get waivers: Click here: Ministry Training - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Mario, I'm going to humor you here.? Please advise whats wrong with patriotism.? USA USA USA is a good thing and not a bad thing.? Love of country leads! Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/11/2007 5:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for.? Most liberals or at least labor unions did also.?? Clinton's wing of the Democratic Party was quite moderate on?economic and trade issues: The Democratic Leadership group. ? I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others.? Kinda sounds independent to me.? Goldwater came out for gay rights; Lester Maddox late in life apologized for his opposition to the MLK Civil Rights movement;? Wm. F. Buckley, father of modern conservatism, favors the?legalization of drugs which now called illicit;?Hagel and other Republicans oppose Bush's handling of the war.? No need to admit.? Anyone who understands politics knows the continuum of political views on various issues ? To really find out what label applies to you, try this site.? You answer a series of questions; then your views are charted on a graph with not the simple continuum, but with a sophisticated graph, with both horizontal and vertical (forgot what they're called.) ?But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal.? ?I love those guys.? Dittoheads -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain.? Amazing! Dittoheads are our era's version of the herd animals in Animal Farm:? no understanding, just bleating of slogans to out-shout dissenters:? Four legs good!? Two Legs bad!? Love it or Leave it.? These Colors don't Run, USA! USA! USA! et al. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
AsburyCouple, This was directed to Kevin, but let me answer this directly for you...though i did not at all agree with Clinton in the Balkans, (I felt we should have gone in massively rather than with pinprick bombings) I did not outright questions our CIC since I have respect for the office of the leader of the free world.? This is despite the fact Clinton made a mockery of the office. In a way I also realized that we were forced to go in because of the ineptitude of Nato, the EU, and UN.? We wanted them to handle it and they bungled it! Is that direct enough for you? -Original Message- From: asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 5:59 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Alright Kevin - here's an issue related to a discussion we had a couple of weeks ago that you appear to have skirted several times despite my asking you very directly. You have been extremely critical of anyone who questions our commander in chief on Iraq - essentially saying it is wrong to question the CIC when our people are in harms way. So this is the fourth time I've asked you the same question... When we were in harms way in the balkans, did you also support our then President Clinton as aggressively as you are now supporting Bush? Let's see if you can avoid skirting the issue. I'm sure the previous times I've asked you just forgot to respond. In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue. Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Mike, Maybe you can offer salvation to Norman Hsu! -Original Message- From: Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. Athiests for Jesus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. ? ? Wow!? Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? ? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000,??and maybe a 50% discount. Click here: Ministry Training ? ? Even get waivers:?? Click here: Ministry Training See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Group Home That Housed Sex Offender Under Review :: WRAL.com
_Click here: Group Home That Housed Sex Offender Under Review :: WRAL.com_ (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1785824/) The home which was state licensed and as such should have checked criminal records. JSRM doesn't have to check for registered sex offenders. Morristown police track a murderer to MSM. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
It is amazing. For the last 3 years I have been trying to build a bridge between the BOE and the City Council and The Manager. It is unfortunate that some board members do not want this bridge to be built. Using one rateable for two entities is a fantastic plan.?Considering the way our?taxes are, we do not need to be taking?parcels off the tax roles when we can utilize one parcel of land for a multi community complex. The tax payers are suffering enough. How much more can we afford? We need to start consolidating. Garrett Giberson Jr. -Original Message- From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 9:34 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. Sorry Frank, but Alan must be reading my mind. I just read in the coaster that the BOE is paying $16,OOO PER MONTH for rent. Was that a TYP? How much space is there? How is all that to be used? Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 5:59:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, Blah Blah. If this is your idea of intimidation, you are doing a poor job. The intimidation was in your private email to me. But then I've come to expect nothing less from you! You can expect my continued efforts to respond to what I consider bs. Now can we end this thread since every one (myself included) has made their respective points. So Lets move on about how to make money in AP. I wasn't able to responded to this thread until today. My respective point have been made for now, depending on what comes down the pike. I won't be responding to yours because your still go to the spam folder. I see your posts only when they're attached to other posts. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to humor you here. Please advise whats wrong with patriotism. USA USA USA is a good thing and not a bad thing. Love of country leads! Gonna humor you for you go back to the spam folder where you remain unread. Nothing wrong with patriotism. Jingoism is not patriotism. Sam Johnson - The last refuge of scoundrels is patriotism. That kind of patriotism is one form of jingoism. This White House manual for discouraging dissent, secret until it had to be released by a court case, instructed Bush squad of rah-rah's to shout USA! over and over again so the media could not hear protestors, And they were to be blocked from the media's cameras. I posted links to that manual a few days ago. USA! USA! USA! belongs in the sports arena maybe. Not as a tactic to stifle freedom of speech. Love of country is great, as long as it doesn't turn into Chauvinism. But USA! has been part of dirty tricks in many a campaign function to suppress. That's not love of country. Remember that old chestnut: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll depend to the death your right to say it. (various authors). That's love of country. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness. Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. That bumper sticker: When Clinton lied, no one died. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Mario, As an ex vet I have and will always defend your right to say what you want to say despite the lack of proper perspective displayed by you...it's your right to be clueless! And patriotism is not jingoism...I support the troops, I support our great nation, an I support your right to be a freak! Semper Fi! USA USA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to humor you here.? Please advise whats wrong with patriotism.? USA USA USA is a good thing and not a bad thing.? Love of country leads! Gonna humor you for you go back to the spam folder where you remain unread. ? Nothing wrong with patriotism.? Jingoism is not patriotism.? ? Sam Johnson - The last refuge of scoundrels is patriotism.? That kind of patriotism is one form of jingoism. ? This White House manual for discouraging dissent, secret until it had to be released by a court case, instructed Bush squad of rah-rah's to shout USA! over and over again so the media could not hear protestors,? And they were to be blocked from the media's cameras.? I posted links to that manual a few days ago. ? USA! USA! USA! belongs in the sports arena maybe.? Not as a tactic to stifle freedom of speech. ? ? Love of country is great, as long as it doesn't turn into Chauvinism. ? But USA! has been part of dirty tricks in many a campaign function to suppress.? That's not love of country. ? Remember that old chestnut: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll depend to the death your right to say it.? (various authors). ? That's love of country. ? ? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Mario, 1.? Last time I checked we're not in Europe!? And actually we finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) 2.? How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton.? How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, and?the theft of VCRs from the white house as he was leaving office (just kidding about that) 3.??Clinton did get re-elected?but then so?did?Bush.??It's called our elections! 4.? Things are getting better in Iraq so what MoveOn.org talking points will you be spouting next! Semper Fi! ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton.? Finally he was outed for a BJ.? Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations.? How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked.? The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness.? ? Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. ? ? Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world.? Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. ? That bumper sticker:? When Clinton lied, no one died. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 5:49:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, I wrote: To really find out what label applies to you, try this site. You answer a series of questions; then your views are charted on a graph with not the simple continuum, but with a sophisticated graph, with both horizontal and vertical (forgot what they're called.) I forgot the link: _https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/_ (https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] About Asbury Park
OK, I changed the subject to narrow this down. So, Hinge, et. al; how IS Asbury Park? What's news? I know that I'll get flack.. but isn't A.P. the topic? Have a great day, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) Both who were right in trying to stop us from invading Iraq. Notice I said Iraq not war. The ENTIRE world was with us to go into Afghanistan after the Taliban. President Bush squandered the support of the world with the Iraq invasion. 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton. Actually, the question could be to you - how easily do you believe things you want to believe? Clinton may or may not have been guilty in some of the accusations but the rape was alleged and not proven and it's pretty well known that right wing groups were offering money for just about anybody they might be able to connect to the Clintons for a story. Juanita said I just don't think anyone would have believed me. -- when asked why she didn't come forward at the time. I think she came forward a decade later for one reason -- money. How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, Once again... let's stay away from talk radio conspiracies. If you want to believe those, there are plenty about this administration as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
Garrett Giberson Jr. And if you can't do it...then who can? Say hi to pops for me. A good guy. Actually ALL BOE's should become part of the town or city which, in most parts of NJ other then 31 or 32, funds it. And BOE's which dont have a school or only a small school don't need a superintendet and support staff. Consoldiate. It's the real world. Tell me this, how MUCH DOES IT COST the boe attorney to talk to the CITY ATTORNEY?? Let's see the billing for this lastest fisasco. I was in AP today, at Welsey. One of these days, I'll move to AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Gary, Keep in mind the French did not want us to go to war to protect that. Also keep in mind that Juanita Broderick was in no ways a republican or a conservative.? She was democrat as was Kathleen Willey who was a democratic volunteer and who alleged that Clinton?sexually assaulted her.? She got ripped by the vast left wing conspiracy.? Not sure what happened with Vince Foster other than he was having an affair with Hillary.? I'd probably commit suicide as well! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) Both who were right in trying to stop us from invading Iraq. Notice I said Iraq not war. The ENTIRE world was with us to go into Afghanistan after the Taliban. President Bush squandered the support of the world with the Iraq invasion. 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton. Actually, the question could be to you - how easily do you believe things you want to believe? Clinton may or may not have been guilty in some of the accusations but the rape was alleged and not proven and it's pretty well known that right wing groups were offering money for just about anybody they might be able to connect to the Clintons for a story. Juanita said I just don't think anyone would have believed me. -- when asked why she didn't come forward at the time. I think she came forward a decade later for one reason -- money. How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, Once again... let's stay away from talk radio conspiracies. If you want to believe those, there are plenty about this administration as well. Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen rehearsals
There may have been Mario, but I don't have a personal recollection of it. I was a mere lad when the Monte Carlo closed. I do know there was a tunnel under the 4th Avenue lockers (now referred to as 3rd Avenue Pavilion for some reason) that went out to the beach. As locker boys after a rain we would have to pump the tunnel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:26:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Werner, Is it true that there is a tunnel under the boardwalk that runs all the way to the power.. The tunnel is true. Around 1980, we had the store at first ave. We discovered it while scraping away the tiling. Opened up the manhole cover and looked at each other. We went back to the 'digger and got a case of michelob off chuck, guzzled it and found a flashlight... we didn't go that far. Was that a different tunnel from the one which ran under Ocean Ave ---from the Monte Carlo pool to lockers and the ocean beach if I remember right? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test. But it is fun to do the 10 minute test. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Your own results will put you on a graph somewhat like this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers http://www.politicalcompass.org/composersThe text below should come through. But the graphs may not. About The Political Compass In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet. That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian. Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process. The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy) The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal anarchism championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples law of the jungle right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner. In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily right wing, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. A Word about Neo-cons and Neo-libs U.S.neo-conservatives, with their commitment to high military spending and the global assertion of national values, tend to be more authoritarian than hard right. By contrast, neo-liberals, opposed to such moral leadership and, more especially, the ensuing demands on the tax payer, belong to a further right but less authoritarian region. Paradoxically, the free market, in neo-con parlance, also allows for the large-scale subsidy of the military-industrial complex, a considerable degree of corporate welfare, and protectionism when deemed in the national interest. These are viewed by neo-libs as impediments to the unfettered market forces that they champion. International Chart A diverse professional team has assessed the words and actions of internationally known contemporary leaders to give you an idea of how they relate to each other on the political compass.
[AsburyPark] Tunnel
In a message dated 9/12/2007 7:43:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There may have been Mario, but I don't have a personal recollection of it. I was a mere lad when the Monte Carlo closed. I do know there was a tunnel under the 4th Avenue lockers (now referred to as 3rd Avenue Pavilion for some reason) that went out to the beach. As locker boys after a rain we would have to pump the tunnel. I was about 8 or 9 yrs. old living in Essex County with parents. I was often invited by my aunts and uncles here when they rented in what used to be those grand old guest houses whose great porches I remember. They had pool passes but I think I remember we kids loved the tunnel under Ocean Ave to the beach. Maybe I transposed the 4th ave one you mention. Garret or his father would know. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Communism in Brooklyn
On the way to band practice tonight, I took a look at Wegmans...and it is in fact ugly. While I love Wegmans, the architecture is pretty bad. Another terrible building, in my opinion, is the new Sipersteins in LB, where the old bowling alley used to be. Sadly, this is a trend here in NJ, and probably much of the US. Pedestrian, boring ugly architecture that lines our highways and byways. Many years ago, the APP published a letter to the editor that I wrote lamenting the loss of the Circle Drive In Theater in Eatontown. It was replaced with condos. In that letter, I mentioned that NJ is becoming much like the background in a Flintstones cartoon. Whenever Fred and company went for a drive, they passed the same rock, tree, building, rock tree building over and over. And that's what makes me sad about the future of AP. I know the redevelopment is going to make something good about empty spaces, and bring new blood and life into the city...but, based on the designs i've seen, AP will be just another Disneyesque wonderland, if you like those kinda things. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting, but true. MY favorite line of course: It's a lot more complicated than greedy landlords trying to raise the rent, said Ennen Especially where taxes continue to rise, and, THAT is true and more so in residential (more so in pricate home rentals). Example: 700 sq ft house in Ocean Twp. Landlord charges $1000 month in rent Pays mortgage on $181,000 Pays RE Taxes of $3700 So for a small operator who did BUY their building or location, you have to compete with the nationals or those who have deeper pcokets for your space at the end of your lease. If the government wants to control rents and keep those moms and pops in place, then the government will have to control TAXES or build their won government owned or subsidized commercial centers. Many businesses struggle. As the article pointed out, the INTERNET can kill you. Like my own kid, asking to stop at EB games when I left the home depot to get MADDEN NFL. Told him to go home and order it off Amazon. He laughed at me and what save $2.00? Told him yep. COndier the fact that the taco bell I got him cost me around $4.00. Lastly, many of the chains are taking steps to conform to local neighborhoods so they blend in. Hence the lifestyle centers intended to tone down strip centers and malls. And it will Asbury from the boardwalk to Cookman. Common sense. Oh - there goes that word. Here's a thought. When I left Wegmans last night, I turned around and looked at the building. Actaully kind of ugly in it's own way. It reminded me of something and I remembered - Wesley Grove along Cookman. Take a look. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
Me. Don't know what it means. I felt some of the questions could not be answered with the selection of answers given. The Political Compass Economic Left/Right: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test. But it is fun to do the 10 minute test. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Your own results will put you on a graph somewhat like this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers http://www.politicalcompass.org/composersThe text below should come through. But the graphs may not. About The Political Compass In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet. That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian. Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process. The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy) The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal anarchism championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples law of the jungle right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner. In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily right wing, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. A Word about Neo-cons and Neo-libs U.S.neo-conservatives, with their commitment to high military spending and the global assertion of national values, tend to be more authoritarian than hard right. By contrast, neo-liberals, opposed to such moral leadership and, more especially, the ensuing demands on the tax payer, belong to a further right but less authoritarian region. Paradoxically, the free market, in neo-con parlance, also allows for the large-scale subsidy of the military-industrial complex, a considerable degree of corporate welfare, and protectionism when deemed in the national interest. These are viewed by neo-libs as impediments to the unfettered market forces that they champion. International Chart A diverse professional team has assessed the words and actions of internationally known contemporary leaders to give you an idea of how they relate to
Re: [AsburyPark] About Asbury Park
In a message dated 9/12/2007 7:29:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I changed the subject to narrow this down. So, Hinge, et. al; how IS Asbury Park? What's news? I know that I'll get flack.. but isn't A.P. the topic? Have a great day, Glenn You're right Glenn. I learned a while back that it's not cool to straytoo far from the parameters mentioned on this groups home page. So, I try to avoid, subjects which are absolutely off topic. But when someone else introduces topics which demonizes liberal/left/progressive/Democratic points of view, I feel compelled to respond especially if the post is made by a non-resident of this town or posts anonymously (or without a profile. And even more so when the person is a zealot. And it was fun to be able to repeat that moronic subject line over and over again in my responses today. When I moved here after college, I intended it to be temporary; Asbury Park didn't look like it would be exciting during winters, and I hoped to return back home where I could see the NYC skyline from my bedroom windows. APHS got a last minute grant, I heard about it from an agency and was hired a few days before Labor Day.. The HS principal sent me to Corrubia's Restaurant (213 Lake) for a temporary motel room upstairs until I could find something for the academic year. The Corrubias were very friendly and as Italian as anyone I knew in North Newark, so I moved into one of the two apartments with a great view of the ferris wheel and the Mayfair Theater. It was one of the Corrubias, Ida or Jim, who told me I'd never leave. Something to the effect Once you get the sand between your toeslike a clam digger, you'll never want to go back to NNJ. As it turned out, they were right. Rook, give my love to Ida. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
Tommy, Looks like you wound up a little to the right of me that's surprising :) On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:11 PM, justifiedright wrote: Me. Don't know what it means. I felt some of the questions could not be answered with the selection of answers given. The Political Compass Economic Left/Right: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test. But it is fun to do the 10 minute test. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Your own results will put you on a graph somewhat like this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers The text below should come through. But the graphs may not. About The Political Compass™ In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet. That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian. Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process. The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy) The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal anarchism championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples law of the jungle right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner. In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily right wing, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. A Word about Neo-cons and Neo-libs U.S.neo-conservatives, with their commitment to high military spending and the global assertion of national values, tend to be more authoritarian than hard right. By contrast, neo-liberals, opposed to such moral leadership and, more especially, the ensuing demands on the tax payer, belong to a further right but less authoritarian region. Paradoxically, the free market, in neo-con parlance, also allows for the large-scale subsidy of the military-industrial complex, a considerable degree of corporate welfare, and protectionism when deemed in the national interest. These are viewed by neo-libs as impediments to the unfettered market forces that they champion. International Chart A diverse professional team has assessed the words and actions of internationally known contemporary
[AsburyPark] Dittos! Mega-Dittos!
Mario, I know you like to be tedious when it comes to facts, so I wanted to point out to you that you may be misinterpreting what Dottos means on Rush's show. Not saying you are being sloppy; it's a very common misconception. It's also a misconception that Rush feeds off of and uses against his detractors, and I know you wouldn't like that;-) Ditto does not mean that you agree with Rush or any of his views (but it is easy to see why someone who doesn't frequent his show would think that, considering the actual definition of the word Ditto). Dittoheads does not refer to some army of people who think like Rush or praise him either. Ditto is actually a matter of procedure on his show, that was started by a caller, and Rush continued it. Again it isn't substance; its a procedure. Have you ever listened to a call in show (politics, sports, etc) and the callers usually start out by saying hello, how are you, love your show, keep up the good work, thanks for taking my call, I listen to you alot, took forever for me to get on, blah blah blah? A lot of air time is wasted with that kind of preamble. One caller to Rush's show years ago started out saying Ditto to what the last guy said and then made his point. Rush thought that since air-time is so valuable, rather than waste time with the preliminaries, callers could get that out of the way by just starting with Ditto and getting right to the point. It gives them more air-time. It leaves more time for debate, and gets more callers on the air. Even those who are calling to disagree with him are encouraged to just say Ditto and get to it. It's nothing more than a hello. Thus, you will hear many callers say Dittos or Mega-Dittos! when they first get on. It's just procedural. Rush and fans of his show get a kick out of finding people in the media who misinterpret what Dittos means. They take it as confirmation that they are being knocked by someone who obviously never listens to the show. For the record, I don't listen to any of the radio shows that often, but I do read most of the books written by the hosts. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Wegmans
In a message dated 9/12/2007 7:59:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the way to band practice tonight, I took a look at Wegmans...and it is in fact ugly. While I love Wegmans, the architecture is pretty bad. I know how much you prefer mom and pop businesses, as do I. Hard to find 'em nowadays. Never thought much about the exterior look of Wegman's, but it did attract lots of business to that area. Used to be a dismal strip mall hardly visited by anyone. The one place I miss is the Pizza joint that was supposed to return, but I guess they were outbid by the likes of Pier One, Staples and that overpriced too plastic looking bread franchise. Wegmans, on the plus side, has a great reputation for customer satisfaction and employee benefits (quite well according to published info and what friends who work there tell me. That outweighs the architecture for me. For the past several years they made the top 3 of Fortune's Best Companies to Work For. Hate the box warehouse stores like Costco and BJ's. But Costco is also a great place to work for they tell me; even the folks pumping gas there affirm that. But the clincher for me was that Costco was closed on Labor Day. A real tribute to working men and women especially since all the other stores were open for Labor Day sales. BJ's is quite the opposite with their work force. Worst of all is that box Rite Aide in AP. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: About Asbury Park
Acknowledged, I hear ya.. and forge on! :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 7:29:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I changed the subject to narrow this down. So, Hinge, et. al; how IS Asbury Park? What's news? I know that I'll get flack.. but isn't A.P. the topic? Have a great day, Glenn You're right Glenn. I learned a while back that it's not cool to straytoo far from the parameters mentioned on this groups home page. So, I try to avoid, subjects which are absolutely off topic. But when someone else introduces topics which demonizes liberal/left/progressive/Democratic points of view, I feel compelled to respond especially if the post is made by a non-resident of this town or posts anonymously (or without a profile. And even more so when the person is a zealot. And it was fun to be able to repeat that moronic subject line over and over again in my responses today. When I moved here after college, I intended it to be temporary; Asbury Park didn't look like it would be exciting during winters, and I hoped to return back home where I could see the NYC skyline from my bedroom windows. APHS got a last minute grant, I heard about it from an agency and was hired a few days before Labor Day.. The HS principal sent me to Corrubia's Restaurant (213 Lake) for a temporary motel room upstairs until I could find something for the academic year. The Corrubias were very friendly and as Italian as anyone I knew in North Newark, so I moved into one of the two apartments with a great view of the ferris wheel and the Mayfair Theater. It was one of the Corrubias, Ida or Jim, who told me I'd never leave. Something to the effect Once you get the sand between your toeslike a clam digger, you'll never want to go back to NNJ. As it turned out, they were right. Rook, give my love to Ida. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
Gary I very disappointed in my result! I wanted to land on the libertarian side of the right wing, not the authoritarian side. I came pretty close though. Wish I knew what question I blew it on! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, Looks like you wound up a little to the right of me that's surprising :) On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:11 PM, justifiedright wrote: Me. Don't know what it means. I felt some of the questions could not be answered with the selection of answers given. The Political Compass Economic Left/Right: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test. But it is fun to do the 10 minute test. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Your own results will put you on a graph somewhat like this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers http://www.politicalcompass.org/composers The text below should come through. But the graphs may not. About The Political Compass In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line. If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet. That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian. Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process. The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy) The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal anarchism championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples law of the jungle right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner. In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily right wing, with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground. A Word about Neo-cons and Neo-libs U.S.neo-conservatives, with their commitment to high military spending and the global assertion of national values, tend to be more authoritarian than hard right. By contrast, neo-liberals, opposed to such moral leadership and, more especially, the ensuing demands on
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:11:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Me. Don't know what it means. I felt some of the questions could not be answered with the selection of answers given. The Political Compass Economic Left/Right: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21 Felt the same about some of the questions. But the best for me are the graphs which at least suggest that the political spectrum is more complex than media crossfire would indicate. I've seen graphs and similar long questionnaires which vary somewhat but are always more interesting with the vertical axis imposed on the horizontal one. I closed the window before I recorded my scores. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Dittos! Mega-Dittos!
Maybe it has to do with that study: Liberals More Likely Than Conservatives To Break From Habitual Responses Take your pick as to the messenger of that study: _Click here: ucla liberal conservative nyu OR york - Google Search_ (http://www.google.com/search?as_q=ucla+liberal+conservative++nyu+OR+yorkhl=ennum=10; btnG=Google+Searchas_epq=as_oq=as_eq=lr=as_ft=ias_filetype=as_qdr=alla s_nlo=as_nhi=as_occt=anyas_dt=ias_sitesearch=as_rights=safe=images) _Click here: ucla liberal conservative nyu OR york - Google News_ (http://news.google.com/news?as_q=ucla+liberal+conservative+svnum=10as_scoring=rhl=en; ned=tusie=UTF-8btnG=Google+Searchas_epq=as_oq=nyu+yorkas_eq=as_drrb=qas _qdr=as_mind=13as_minm=8as_maxd=12as_maxm=9as_nsrc=as_nloc=as_occt=any) . Don't know how to do sound bites etc. on complex issues; I prefer academic to tedious; OK and sometimes too esoteric for most. But I'm not catering to sponsors or advertisers, and don't mind if most prefer to hit delete rather than read anything other than snippits. So be it. The only call-in I can stand is C-Span's Washington Journal, usually DVRed. The hosts remain neutral, and they alternate between three separate call-in lines: Dem, Pepub, and Independent. Left and right radio, 27/7 TV news call ins sensationalize too much, and never really change anyone's mind -- So what's the point except to sell soap by telling people what they want to hear. C-Span is more civil and more importantly more informative. A private company providing a public service. Ratings not important. The Public Air Waves no longer belong to the public. === In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:36:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, I know you like to be tedious when it comes to facts, so I wanted to point out to you that you may be misinterpreting what Dottos means on Rush's show. Not saying you are being sloppy; it's a very common misconception. It's also a misconception that Rush feeds off of and uses against his detractors, and I know you wouldn't like that;-) Ditto does not mean that you agree with Rush or any of his views (but it is easy to see why someone who doesn't frequent his show would think that, considering the actual definition of the word Ditto). Dittoheads does not refer to some army of people who think like Rush or praise him either. Ditto is actually a matter of procedure on his show, that was started by a caller, and Rush continued it. Again it isn't substance; its a procedure. Have you ever listened to a call in show (politics, sports, etc) and the callers usually start out by saying hello, how are you, love your show, keep up the good work, thanks for taking my call, I listen to you alot, took forever for me to get on, blah blah blah? A lot of air time is wasted with that kind of preamble. One caller to Rush's show years ago started out saying Ditto to what the last guy said and then made his point. Rush thought that since air-time is so valuable, rather than waste time with the preliminaries, callers could get that out of the way by just starting with Ditto and getting right to the point. It gives them more air-time. It leaves more time for debate, and gets more callers on the air. Even those who are calling to disagree with him are encouraged to just say Ditto and get to it. It's nothing more than a hello. Thus, you will hear many callers say Dittos or Mega-Dittos! when they first get on. It's just procedural. Rush and fans of his show get a kick out of finding people in the media who misinterpret what Dittos means. They take it as confirmation that they are being knocked by someone who obviously never listens to the show. For the record, I don't listen to any of the radio shows that often, but I do read most of the books written by the hosts. Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: About Asbury Park
In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:45:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Acknowledged, I hear ya.. and forge on! :-) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans
In a message dated 9/12/2007 9:01:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Costco is a pretty cool company. I saw a documentary about the guy who runs it, and I was really impressed with his simple philosophy about business. Yeah I saw that too or read it in the business section. A few companies are learning the importane of emplyee satisfaction. And some web sites. When 60 Minutes did a piece on Netflix, customer's' only complaints were about contacting them (as we all know finding a live courteous American tech or rep by phone or web is rare). So many clicks to email, then wait 24 hrs or more for a response. By phone so many menus and loops to jump through and then they tell you visit their web site. Netflix now has 24/7 live phone contact, courteous too. Best is Amazon. You type your home phone into a box, click, and within a minute usually a live person calls you right back. My favorite grocery store of all was this medium sized mom and pop in Ft. Lee called The Fairway Market. Super cool place. It isn't related to the Fairway in NYC, and it's been run by the same family for something like 70 years. The best part was the produce dept.. Every single item had a cool description, which was great because they carried gourmet quality things that you don't normally find in typical groceries. They also made amazing blood orange juice on the spot. Man, I could go for some of that right now. One of our local papers recently commented on the need for that kind of store in AP. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Again I sent the wrong Political Compass Test.
Thanks alot - now I'm hooked Mario. Took a bunch of online tests. Keep coming up fiscally conservative but more lib than that on social issues. Caught a few libertarian results so I can stop now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans
Actually, that grocery store where Checkers now sits vacant isn't too bad. Some of the small hispanic ones are pretty cool as well. I still like Dan's idea of having a Trader Joes here. That would rock. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 9:01:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Costco is a pretty cool company. I saw a documentary about the guy who runs it, and I was really impressed with his simple philosophy about business. Yeah I saw that too or read it in the business section. A few companies are learning the importane of emplyee satisfaction. And some web sites. When 60 Minutes did a piece on Netflix, customer's' only complaints were about contacting them (as we all know finding a live courteous American tech or rep by phone or web is rare). So many clicks to email, then wait 24 hrs or more for a response. By phone so many menus and loops to jump through and then they tell you visit their web site. Netflix now has 24/7 live phone contact, courteous too. Best is Amazon. You type your home phone into a box, click, and within a minute usually a live person calls you right back. My favorite grocery store of all was this medium sized mom and pop in Ft. Lee called The Fairway Market. Super cool place. It isn't related to the Fairway in NYC, and it's been run by the same family for something like 70 years. The best part was the produce dept.. Every single item had a cool description, which was great because they carried gourmet quality things that you don't normally find in typical groceries. They also made amazing blood orange juice on the spot. Man, I could go for some of that right now. One of our local papers recently commented on the need for that kind of store in AP. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness. Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. That bumper sticker: When Clinton lied, no one died. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers spec ops people stranded! Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Here's something for the jingoistic folks on this list Sen. John Warner (R-Va.): I hope in the recesses of your heart that you know that strategy will continue the casualties, stress on our forces, stress on military families, stress on all Americans. Are you able to say at this time if we continue what you have laid before the Congress here as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America safer? Petraeus: Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq. Warner: Does that make America safer? Petraeus: Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq. *** Shouldn't the ultimate mission be to make America Safer? If our leaders can't answer that, would you like to take a shot at how Iraq makes us safer and why we are there? (while you're at it why don't you give an idea how many years do you expect us to be there?) Sometimes leaving is the best thing to do. It prevents having thousands of losses for the same reason. On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness. Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. That bumper sticker: When Clinton lied, no one died. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers spec ops people stranded! Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? KB
[AsburyPark] Outdated and partial information comes from Mario's bag of tricks
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:32:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Brown is no monkey. Correct. I know because one of his web sites says he can ordain me as a minister. For $5,000 and six months study; moreover, some of the prerequisites for admission can be waived after a personal interview. STUDY TO SHOW THYSELF APPROVED information please feel free to e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Institute Of Evangelism and Ministry is now taking applications: We have designed three programs for the serious minded ministry student. This is the first of many Bible Training programs to be offered at Lighthouse Institute For Evangelism. Training For Ministry requires living on site in the dormitory. Presently offering this opportunity to men only. While on campus, you will be required to work and study. There are 3 month, 6 month and one year programs available. 3 month program prepares an individual for stability in living in the community God calls you to. You will live with Rev. Kevin Brown and assist him in the day to day operations of the building. Your work requirement will be 8 hours a day. Your study requirement will be 4 hours a day. You will be required to pass exams and display evidence of your call and a knowledge of spiritual and scriptural principles. Tuition is $ 2,500.00. You will receive, all your studies, room - board, counseling, guidance and your Certificate Of Graduation. The 6 month Program will prepare you and License you as a Preacher Of The Word Of God. Tuition is $5,000.00 Call about Pastoral Training. SCHOLARSHIP INFORMATION WE ARE MAKING AVAILABLE A 50% SCHOLARSHIP You will be required to work at the ministry 4 hours per day in addition to your 4 hours of study. It is suggested that you work outside the ministry for an additional 4 hours per day. All candidates must have previous educational backgrounds including Grammer and High School, some college is recommended. Be able to submit to Godly authority. Open to the leading of The Holy Spirit. Consideration is given to those who lack the secular background, who have been called of the Lord independently through a viable relationship with Jesus Christ. Each candidate should be prepared to give an account of their personal acceptance of Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Your testimony is required at the admissions consultation. All candidates must have a letter of recommendation for ministry training from two individuals who have experienced your call into the ministry. All the guidelines for admittance into training are subject to The Holy Spirit's intervention and some aspects of qualifying may even be waived by HIM. Please feel free to call Rev. Kevin Brown 732.822.7161 or email him [EMAIL PROTECTED] vv You see the phone number on the above its over 2 years old. STUDY TO SHOW THYSELF APPROVED information please feel free to e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Institute Of Evangelism and Ministry is now taking applications: We have designed three programs for the serious minded ministry student. This is the first of many Bible Training programs to be offered at Lighthouse Institute For Evangelism. Training For Ministry requires living on site in the dormitory. Presently offering this opportunity to men only. While on campus, you will be required to work and study. There are 3 month, 6 month and one year programs available. 3 month program prepares an individual for stability in living in the community God calls you to. You will live with Rev. Kevin Brown and assist him in the day to day operations of the building. Your work requirement will be 8 hours a day. Your study requirement will be 4 hours a day. You will be required to pass exams and display evidence of your call and a knowledge of spiritual and scriptural principles. Tuition is $ 2,500.00. You will receive, all your studies, room - board, counseling, guidance and your Certificate Of Graduation. The 6 month Program will prepare you and License you as a Preacher Of The Word Of God. Tuition is $5,000.00 Call about Pastoral Training. SCHOLARSHIP INFORMATION WE ARE MAKING AVAILABLE A 50% SCHOLARSHIP You will be required to work at the ministry 4 hours per day in addition to your 4 hours of study. It is suggested that you work outside the ministry for an additional 4 hours per day. All candidates must have previous educational backgrounds including Grammer and High School, some college is recommended. Be able to submit to Godly authority. Open to the leading of The Holy Spirit. Consideration is given to those who lack the secular background, who have been called of the Lord independantly through a viable relationship with Jesus Christ. Each candidate should be prepared to
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Facts become Bias only in the wharped mind. I hope wherever Mario teaches, that the parents keep a watchful eye on what he teaches to his students. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 1:10:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Liberal Progressive Democrat? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, Reverend? Be proud of that epithet when it's thrown at you. Those words carry negative connotations only among the herd-like dittoheads. Why not add Dirty F#king Hippie while you're at it. Commie, Pinko, vermin, dot head too. Four Legs Good! Two Legs Bad! repeated endlessly. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Mario is a teacher? God bless his students! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Leaving while clear progress is being made? You just can't stand when we finally get some good news! For every Warner I'll give you a Lieberman. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans
Amazing thing about Wegmans, it is a private family owned company. They could easly take it public but they know wall street would place such expansion plans that the comany would be destroyed like Home Depot. As far as Costco and BJ's. Costco - excellent Bj's - Bad. I go to costco down here on a regular basis and when up north there is a bj's by my house. I am not the olly one with those thoughts, look at the sale. Costco almost always reports growth for same store sales. Sometimes the big stores can be a great place to work. Costco and Wegmans take care of their employees and the employees stay. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:00:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans Before I moved moved to AP, I was living in Edgewater, about 2 blocks away from a Whole Foods. Besides being a huge fan of mom and pops, I also have a great love for a good grocery store. I really liked Whole Foods, but when I moved down here and discovered Wegmans i loved it. No more WF for me. Too expensive comparatively. I have friends who refer to it as Whole Paycheck. Costco is a pretty cool company. I saw a documentary about the guy who runs it, and I was really impressed with his simple philosophy about business. I'd probably shop there if I had a family and needed stuff more in bulk. My favorite grocery store of all was this medium sized mom and pop in Ft. Lee called The Fairway Market. Super cool place. It isn't related to the Fairway in NYC, and it's been run by the same family for something like 70 years. The best part was the produce dept.. Every single item had a cool description, which was great because they carried gourmet quality things that you don't normally find in typical groceries. They also made amazing blood orange juice on the spot. Man, I could go for some of that right now. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 7:59:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the way to band practice tonight, I took a look at Wegmans...and it is in fact ugly. While I love Wegmans, the architecture is pretty bad. I know how much you prefer mom and pop businesses, as do I. Hard to find 'em nowadays. Never thought much about the exterior look of Wegman's, but it did attract lots of business to that area. Used to be a dismal strip mall hardly visited by anyone. The one place I miss is the Pizza joint that was supposed to return, but I guess they were outbid by the likes of Pier One, Staples and that overpriced too plastic looking bread franchise. Wegmans, on the plus side, has a great reputation for customer satisfaction and employee benefits (quite well according to published info and what friends who work there tell me. That outweighs the architecture for me. For the past several years they made the top 3 of Fortune's Best Companies to Work For. Hate the box warehouse stores like Costco and BJ's. But Costco is also a great place to work for they tell me; even the folks pumping gas there affirm that. But the clincher for me was that Costco was closed on Labor Day. A real tribute to working men and women especially since all the other stores were open for Labor Day sales. BJ's is quite the opposite with their work force. Worst of all is that box Rite Aide in AP. * * See what's new at http://www.aol. com Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Gary its pretty unfair to ask any soldier the why question. That's not his job. Civilian leaders decide why to go. Military leaders decide how to go. By the way, wasn't the old knock on GWB that he wasn't listening to his Generals? He is listening to them now, and suddenly some people are attacking the Generals. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's something for the jingoistic folks on this list Sen. John Warner (R-Va.): I hope in the recesses of your heart that you know that strategy will continue the casualties, stress on our forces, stress on military families, stress on all Americans. Are you able to say at this time if we continue what you have laid before the Congress here as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America safer? Petraeus: Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq. Warner: Does that make America safer? Petraeus: Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq. *** Shouldn't the ultimate mission be to make America Safer? If our leaders can't answer that, would you like to take a shot at how Iraq makes us safer and why we are there? (while you're at it why don't you give an idea how many years do you expect us to be there?) Sometimes leaving is the best thing to do. It prevents having thousands of losses for the same reason. On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, docp101@ writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness. Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. That bumper sticker: When Clinton lied, no one died. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers spec ops people stranded! Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Fishman owns Kara!!!
Money talks and again the judge listens. - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:39:29 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Fishman owns Kara!!! Judge approves Kara reorganization Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/12/07 BY DAVID P. WILLIS BUSINESS WRITER TRENTON — A bankruptcy court judge today approved a plan that will bring Kara Homes Inc. out of bankruptcy and complete construction at 11 housing developments. There is no doubt, I am confirming this case today,'' U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Michael B. Kaplan said this afternoon. The decision approves Kara's plan to turn over the company to a group that includes Lakewood developer Glen Fishman. Kaplan turned away an objection by Kara Homes founder Zuhdi Karagjozi, who has no role in the new company. With the plan approved, Plainfield Speciality Holdings II Inc., a Greenwich, Conn.-based hedge fund and Fishman will take control of the company. Kara Homes will be renamed Maplewood Homebuilders. Now Plainfield will give the company an infusion of $12 million. A revolving loan of up to $30 million will be used to complete construction of 130 homes under contract with potential home buyers. We expect this to be easy lifting for us, to be blunt about it,'' said Thomas March, executive vice president at Maplewood Homebuilders, which is based in Rahway. Kara Homes filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 5 after a cash crunch and a slowdown of the housing market. In court today, Perry Mandarino, the chief restructuring officer appointed by Kaplan last November, said Plainfield was the only group willing to provide the company with the funding it needed to emerge from bankruptcy. We went to a slew of people,'' he said. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In a message dated 9/12/2007 10:09:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope wherever Mario teaches, that the parents keep a watchful eye on what he teaches to his students. Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright Kevin - here's an issue related to a discussion we had a couple of weeks ago that you appear to have skirted several times despite my asking you very directly. You have been extremely critical of anyone who questions our commander in chief on Iraq - essentially saying it is wrong to question the CIC when our people are in harms way. So this is the fourth time I've asked you the same question... When we were in harms way in the balkans, did you also support our then President Clinton as aggressively as you are now supporting Bush? Let's see if you can avoid skirting the issue. I'm sure the previous times I've asked you just forgot to respond. In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jerseykev@ writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue. I do not see a logical question here. You use the word question when it comes to Bush, and by the way I never said it was wrong to question a president - I said BASH. Where did you goto debate class Mario's school of twisting people's remarks? Then in the Clinton model you use did I support and added a few extra's like aggressively like I supported Bush. Being that the question is not a comparison, because the elements have no parity, I will out of respect answer what I think the question is. Presidents, no matter who, should not be political fodder during a time when our troops are engaged in a war. The Terrorists are using all of this to recruit new terrorists. Now Bush, show me over his last 6 years how many times I have written an editorial in the Asbury Park Press, or any other newspaper, for that matter in support of President Bush! Don't waste your time, never. I did however do one in a Washington DC paper at the start of the shift from Afganistan to Iraq. I will say, I only had two problems with Clinton during his 8 years. I did not like the way he handled Somalia, and Black Hawk Down is a good movie about that event. More so he lost me completely, when he looked into the eyes of the Nation on TV and lied to us all. However, show me a post here or a letter to the editor in any newspaper, where I voiced my displeasure with him? Again don't waste your time, I never did! Even though at that time I was a registered Republican. Now in fairness, Clinton did something I benefit from cause on September 20, 2000, or was it the 22 ND, either one of those two dates. I was called and invited down to the White House when he signed The Religious Land Use Institutionalized Person's act of 2000. Unfortunately I was on other business, and coul dnot attend. I had spent pretty much the whole summer down there walking the halls to get support for RLUIPA. With him signing it, I gave him a better grade than he had with me before that date. I was grading him pretty high on economy, however that changed when VP Gore revealed that it was Gore who actually invented the Internet, and I felt technology was the driver of the economic up swing. I answered your question once before when you first asked about The Balkens, I told you I couldn't attribute american troops action to that police action, becasue it was a committment through the UN, no this independent decision. Besides Bill Clinton was not a left wing liberal. NOTE: IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DISCUS WHAT I JUST POSTED EMAIL ME PRIVATELY, BECAUSE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASBURY PARK. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. Athiests for Jesus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. Wow! Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000, and maybe a 50% discount. Click here: Ministry Training Even get waivers: Click here: Ministry Training - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I REMOVED ALL THE IRRELEVENT TEXT TO SAY ONE THING TO DOCP101 Thank you for serving Our Country, and protecting us. May God Bless you. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Group Home That Housed Sex Offender Under Review :: WRAL.com
Mario once again wants Charity's to do police work. Locating criminals in Police Work, not charitable organization's work. Here Mario spell after me... P O L I C E W O R K I hope that helps. Tough Love Is Sometimes Necessary Pastor Kevin Brown --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Click here: Group Home That Housed Sex Offender Under Review :: WRAL.com_ (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1785824/) The home which was state licensed and as such should have checked criminal records. JSRM doesn't have to check for registered sex offenders. Morristown police track a murderer to MSM. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
