[AsburyPark] Check out storm surge probability google interactive map from National Hurricane

[nobepeymay]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/150352.shtml?gm_psurge#contents








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[AsburyPark] Re: Hurricane Irene

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we are at 602 6th and have power.  a little water in the basement but nothing 
of any consequence.  I am going to head out on my bike now to take a look 
aroundrain has let up for now.

john



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:

 Comstock between sunset and 5th is not passible, downed trees and and power 
 lines
 
 We have limited power
 
 
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 From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...
 Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:05:07 
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hurricane Irene
 
 Hope everyone weathered the storm ok. I have been watching some clips of the 
 BW on the news. How is the rest of AP? Is the power out for the whole town? 
 Is there any flooding or impassable streets? If anyone does happen to be out 
 and can report back that would be helpful! Thanks!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
 
  Typical misinformation and distortion of the truth.
  
  No - He does not own the boardwalk.
  
  -- details do matter
  
  Werner
  
  BTW - There is another 7 hours of rain from the west coming along.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
  
   CBS Channel 2 broadcasting live from Asbury
   Park, since 6:00 AM, with updates, directly
   from the Boardwalk.  Mottola, introduced as
   owner of the boardwalk.  Really?
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?

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Hi Ramona,

I wouldn't take Sharon's response personally.

She often confuses who the posters are and replies back to the wrong party.  

Your post was very informative and much appreciated.  

John
6th Ave

ps: this is our 4th year in AP and my family coudn't be happier, however we are 
not blind to challenges this community faces.  




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Ramona ramonicoshay@... wrote:

 Wow! ... Did I post it in the wrong spot?  No it was attributed to you. I was 
 answering the group itself ... Questions about the shooting, about 
 Springwood Ave, and about the job program. 
 
 It has been publicized.. in the coaster .. in the press .. and even in the 
 Asbury Blog! We don't boast for a purpose but we are well known where it 
 counts ... with those that need help. 
 
 I didn't think I was ranting I was answering all the assumptions. 
 
 As far as following the group .. why not? I appreciate all the ideas and 
 opinions everyone has but now everyone seems ANGRY all of a sudden, all of 
 the comments about white vs. black etc 
 
 I finally decide to take the chance and join in ... and I'm getting blasted!
  
 Sorry I don't remember or recognize the name and I have been involved since 
 2006. If you still want to be a part ... invitation is still open. 
 
 Let me help you out. 
 
 I am black, if you need me to get technical Black and Indian. 
 I have lived and worked in town since 2005.
 I use to live in town in my 20's .. rented from Walter Wester if you need a 
 reference. 
 I am raising 2 children here. 
 Can't really answer for my family and their thoughts about Asbury .. but my 
 father, aunt, uncle all live in town too. Long Branch Thornton's are my 
 relatives too but I am not that close with them.
 
 As for my mindset that is your personal opinion and your entitled to it. I 
 won't let it stop me from doing my part in moving Asbury Forward. 
 
 Thank you for the encouragement and yes I will put my full name again.
 
 Ramona Thornton
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
 
  
  #1, I didn't post this part, yet it appears attributed to me!
  
Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the
  success of raising your family) are well taken.
   
Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting..
   
That's the scary part - for lack of better words.
   
So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that
  ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents.
   
What are the REAL issues?
   
- Is it housing
- quality of life
- lack of work - what kind of work would one accept
...
   
Employment:
- What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and
  surrounding employers.
   
   
For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical
  - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural.
   
- does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of
  commerce?
How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the
  business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $
  or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour.
  That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200
  kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it
  worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour?
   
- how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go,
  what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers?
  Can they come back and talk to other kids
   
What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a
  $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids -
  not admin)
   
There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people
  running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you
  have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be
  ready.
   
That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the
  local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african
  american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if
  something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get
  thrown through the windows or lights shattered.
   
Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean
  everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color.
   
What do you think?
   
The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the
  guy who saved it, right?
  
  Furthurmore, who are you addressing?  Why isn't what you're doing 
  publicized?
  You say you're following the group.  Why?  You reply to ME, then go on 

[AsburyPark] Watch your bags on the Beach

[nobepeymay]

My wife and I brought my son to a surfing lesson in Bradley today and learned 
that his instructor and another surfer had their backpacks stolen on the 2nd 
ave beach this past Sunday.  

This is very dissappointing since our son had a surf lesson in AP Saturday and 
the instructor was really enthusiastic about getting more lessons and to 
possibly have a SummerTime Surf Camp location in AP next summer.  I could see 
by the instructer's body language today that he was really upset by what 
happened and I hope that he does not lose his enthusiasm and faith for 
expanding the business operations into Asbury Park.  

Please help keep your eye out not only for your belongings but also for those 
of others.  He mentioned that this has happened to other surfers.  Thieves 
looking to steal realize that surfers leave belongings on the on the beach when 
they go in to surf.  Obviously this can happen on any beach but based on the 
information that the AP police gave the surf instructor this has been a common 
occurrence recently.  

John  





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[AsburyPark] Re: AP - A Great Experience

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their bs burger may be the best burger i have ever eaten, and the prices...it 
is an incredible value.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote:

 I am in love with Bond St Bar, absolute love with that place
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: oakdorf oakd...@...
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 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
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 Subject: [AsburyPark] AP - A Great Experience
 
 Well, let's go the other way.
 My buddy finally got a few days to himself as his wife and kids headed west.
 
 So I made plans to do something fun - 
 I asked him so where do you want to go (he lives in brick)
  - AC
  - Game in NY (mets were home...)
  - anywhere - anywhere
 
 Friday night it was the Blueclaws game in Lakewood (sold out, 10,000 people) 
 and it was fun. $8.00 to get in.
 
 So saturday I was pushing him - 
 
 well, all your ideas are great, but I haven't really got to bo back to 
 Asbury...
 
 He lived in AP 1995-1999...
 
 So by 3 pm Saturday - we made it to the beach, found parking fed the meters 
 til 9 cause I wasn't sure ...
 
 Sat out on 3rd ave, got a couple hot dogs - then back to my house and cleaned 
 up.
 
 By 9pm, I took my daughter's advice and wound up at the BOND STREET bar, with 
 a plan that would be our first stop. Well, that was my first time there and 
 buckets of nippers. 
 
 Didn't get out of there til around 12 - then over to the brickwall where the 
 music was going on til sometime around 1...then the annex and my kids texted 
 me if I needed a ride and avoid allenhurst - they had a DUI checkpoint.
 
 Next morning, I woke up not feeling great.
 
 Only to have my son laughing that I had a hangover on about 3 1/2 beers - 
 over 4 hours
 
 Old age sucks.
 
 I learned something. 
 
 Next time, we have to start out much earlier to go bar hopping Asbury. 
 
 Four hours isn't enough.
 
 PS - and it was CHEAP and FUN.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Inside the Secret World of Trader Joe's

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interesting article on trader joe's, I am posting this as trader joe's has been 
a topic on this board in the past.

http://tinyurl.com/2aw7pm4

they are only opening 5 stores this coming yearpart of their strategy of 
controlled growth.





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[AsburyPark] Lemonade for Lemur Aid Stand 602 Sixth Ave

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My children fave a lemonaid stand out to raise money for Lemurs in Madagascar.  
www.savethelemur.org

We will be here for about another hour or so today and then out again tomorrow 
and throughout the rest of the summer.

Kim and John LiDestri






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[AsburyPark] Re: Attack in AP last night

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yikesreading this for the first time.  

I just walked back from the Tides 30 minutes ago after a great dinner with my 
wife to our home on 6th Avecould have been us.  We have to get this under 
control.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote:

 Posting msg from another group:
 
 List
 
 Last evening, after leaving The Tides for dinner and walking to their car, 3 
 guys jumped and attacked Michael Wykoff and Ray Vail on 6th Ave. Michael 
 works at Watermark and Ray is the owner/operator of Chakra Salon in town.
 
 The 3 guys started beating the car soon after Michael and Ray got in and then 
 the guys jumped them started beating them. Michael has suffered a broken nose 
 and both are bruised very badly but no serious injuries. The attackers were 
 black - the victims white and gay.
 
 The cops did arrive quickly but the attackers have not been caught.







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[AsburyPark] Rochester officials queue up for Obama money

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Seeking a $51 million federal economic recovery package, Mayor Robert 
Duffy on Tuesday detailed a wide-ranging list of ready-to-go capital 
projects that could create 2,000 jobs in 2009.

The city's 27 items are among 1,900 projects totaling $11.7 billion 
compiled by state officials so far. Gov. David Paterson noted the 
overall number, not the projects specifically, in a letter sent this 
week to President-elect Barack Obama.

New York and other states are lining up for Obama's planned federal 
stimulus package. Estimates vary on how large the stimulus might be. 
Paterson's letter outlined an $800 billion national plan.

http://tinyurl.com/8f3c8z

* Looks like my birthplace Rochester, NY is preparing for Obama 
money.  Anyone know if AP has a put together a federal economic 
recovery package to submitt?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Trump Metro JC

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote:

  Updated On 12/23/08 at 02:10PM
 Trump Plaza Jersey City closes priciest sale
 
 
 Trump Plaza Jersey City
 
 The sale of a 2,040-square-foot penthouse at Trump Plaza Jersey 
City
 has closed for $2.4 million, or $1,200 per square foot, the highest
 price per square foot at the building, according to the project's
 developers, Trump Organization and Metro Homes. The 88 Morgan 
Street
 building has been on the market since September 2006, and 374 units
 have been sold so far. The three-bedroom, three-bath penthouse was 
on
 the market for one day and had an initial asking price of $2.595
 million. A spokesperson said the buyer asked to remain anonymous.
 Another penthouse in the building is in contract for $1,032 per 
square
 foot, and if it closes, it would become the second highest
 price-per-square-foot sale in the building. Building amenities 
include
 onsite parking, a fitness center and an outdoor swimming pool. TRD

I heard a rumor that Eli Manning is under contract on a penthouse 
unit at the W in Hobokenwonder what people are paying on a per 
square foot basis in that building?  Looks like its almost completed.







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[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so 
 concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much?


Yes I doI think he / she really lives in AP and is trying to come 
off as an outsider looking in.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi John, have you been in lately? I heard that yesterday was packed.
 Hope the holiday was good.
 
 Werner


Werner,

Thanksgiving was great thanks, spent some time in Rochester with the 
family, hope yours was good as well.

I have been trying to get down to AP at least twice a month, I would 
like to come down every week but it is difficult.  I'll be at the 
wonder bar on Friday night

Everytime I leave town I can't wait to come back.

John




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[AsburyPark] Re: more on the fund... and on MM

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 We have to be careful what we wish for here.  The disaster 
scenario 
 would be MM pulls out of Asbury and nobody else steps up to take 
 over the project because other real estate opportunities are 
trading 
 at distressed prices now but don't have nearly the risk that 
Asbury 
 has.  Or MM funds for Asbury get diverted elsewhere because of the 
 opportunities arising.  I spent all day at a distressed conference 
 today and spectacular properties are trading at enormous 
discounts.  
 
 It becomes very difficult, virtually impossible to get funding for 
 long term projects in this environment particularly ones that 
don't 
 generate near term cash flow (asbury is a long tailed, long term 
 cash flow play with big potential reward but bad near term 
 economics).  
 
 I wonder what the cotingency plan would be if MM backed out and 
cut 
 its losses to focus elsewhere.  This is probably a much more 
serious 
 risk than most on this board perceive.  Any thoughts?
 
 dan S.  
 

very sobering posteven in a great market/ideal economic 
environment it would be difficult to pull off what MM is 
attempting.  all I can say is I hope they stick it outthey have 
made a huge bet on AP and I hope it pays off for us all.





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[AsburyPark] NYT: Architecture Saving Buffalo’s Untold Beauty

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http://tinyurl.com/6pz3xn

from the aritcle:
Other projects have been less high profile but equally exemplary. On 
the October day I arrived, I met with Monica Pellegrino Faix, a 
representative of the Richardson Center Corporation, a local nonprofit 
group trying to save the asylum. The state has committed $76 million 
to help restore the complex, and the group is now trying to come up 
with potential uses for its vacant buildings, including using one for 
an architecture museum.

I FIND THIS INCREDIBLE..THE STATE OF NY HAS COMMITTED $76 MILLION 
TO A PROJECT THAT LOOKS TO BE PURELY FOR THE SAKE OF PRESERVATION WITH 
NO DEFINATIVE USEPOSSIBLY A MUSEUM?  FROM WHAT I READ IN THE 
RECENT MM PRESS RELEASE, BETWEEN MM AND ASBURY PARTNERS $160 MILLION 
OF PRIVATE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE LATEST AP REDEVELOPMENT 
EFFORT.  DOES ANY ONE KNOW HOW MUCH THE STATE OF NJ HAS KICKED IN 
DIRECTLY TO AP REDEVELOPMENT?  I KNOW THEY MADE UP FOR OUR BUDJET 
SHORTFALL LAST YEAR, BUT ANY $$ DIRECTLY FOR PRESERVATION OF BULIDINGS 
ETC? 

John

  






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[AsburyPark] Re: NYT: Architecture Saving Buffalo’s Untold Beauty

[nobepeymay]

Correction.the $160 million number is the number that was stated 
in todays NYT article on AP not the MM press release.

from NYT
Altogether, at least $160 million has been invested in an area that a 
decade ago was a seaside ghost town.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 just sat at the beautiful bar at stella marina with a friend. we 
loved
 seeing the casino edifice through the windows. 


Stella Marina was very busy Friday night, beautiful bar and also a top 
rate restaurant as well.it should do very well.  It was nice to 
see all of the activiity in town Saturday as well, lots of energy with 
all of the concerts going on.  It was kind of funny to see the 
teenagers standing out in the cold rain on the bw at 3:30 PM for for 
5:30 PM door at convention hall...some with just t-shirts on.

The city could have made some nice money on parking, the bottom line 
is people need to park and the city deserves the right to make some 
money.  It it is providing a safe and clean environment for visitors 
and it is just pocket change or a card swipe.  They should have shut 
down the meters regrouped and had them up and running the right way in 
30 days max.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Ugliest Buildings In The World

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ 
wrote:
  
  Stella Marina was very busy Friday night, beautiful bar and also 
a top 
  rate restaurant as well.it should do very well.  It was nice 
to 
  see all of the activiity in town Saturday as well, lots of 
energy with 
  all of the concerts going on.  It was kind of funny to see the 
  teenagers standing out in the cold rain on the bw at 3:30 PM for 
for 
  5:30 PM door at convention hall...some with just t-shirts on.
  
 
 nice to hear it was busy. i was there thurs nite. my friend and i 
went
 out onto the upstairs outside deck and were giddy with excitement 
and
 anticipation for the summer feel there. thank you for those 
spaces. i
 imagine watermark is going to be just as exciting and musically
 delicious to boot.

I was impressed with their cocktail menuI normally stick to 
either beer or vodka but was tempted by the black current bourbon 
cocktailor sonething like that.

 last nite the area was packed. paradise was busy and fun and led 
me to
 a new fascination. hetero women who go apeshit in gay bars. it may
 have had something to do with the male dancers. but they required 
more
 security attention than anyone i have ever seen in a bar. 
interesting.


Very interestingsounds like I was at the wrong venue!






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[AsburyPark] Re: Watermark Lounge

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Debbie DeLisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 I agree with Doug and Kathy---The Watermark Lounge is 
beautiful!!!  As I was standing on the outside deck looking north 
over our city I was very proud and very moved to be a part of this. 
  
 Also I had a chance to enjoy a wonderful dinner at Stella Marina-I 
felt as if I was dining in Manhattan.  Thank you to Joe and his 
staff from Serenas and also to Madison Marquette for bringin such an 
extraordinary restaurant to Asbury Park.
 


That's awesome Debbiecan't wait to check out both places.  

On a recomendation from a friend I will be going to the wonderbar on 
12/5 to check out The Duke Spirit, see you then.
John




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[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Thats a tall order. The developer is only interested in their bottom
 line not generosity to the community. On the other hand the 
government
 does not learn from history and past mistakes in protecting the 
public.
 
 Werner


Werner,it is clear that you have a handle on the complexities here.  
Time will tell, in the meantime I will continue to enjoy AP in its 
various stages of being AP...

John   




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[AsburyPark] Re: Deal or No Deal ?

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 Lets see if we can straighten it out.
 
 - You the 'landlord' (City) give consideration to a tenant 
(APartners)
 to rent your property (development rights) at a discount in 
exchange
 for capital improvements (infrastructure) and creating, for you at 
his
 expense, additional income producing property (taxes).
 
 - The tenant ( APartners) does not have the skills/resources to
 complete his end of the deal so contracts a 3rd party (MM) to 
perform
 a substantial part of the deal (redevelopment agreement). In the
 process your tenant makes a profit by subletting his unit 
(development
 rights).
 
 - 3rd party contractor (MM) voluntarily provides security to 
protect
 his deal with your tenant (APartners) and now comes to you
 (landlord,City) and asks for additional considerations - he would 
like
 the rights to your front yard to build structures and sell goods 
from
 for profit.
 
 You have already given a discount to your tenant (APartners), your
 tenant sublets to someone else taking a profit in the process, the
 subleasee (MM) now wants to use additional parts of your property 
for
 free to run his business.
 
 Through all this, your deal with the tenant (APartners) and 
promised
 income stream does not come to fruition - you are going farther 
into
 negative cash flow.
 
 Are you (City, Public) feeling put upon, abused, taken advantage
 of.. ?
 
 Werner

-
Werner,

nice job stating the facts as related to AP.

there are many reasons whey AP is where it is today as you have  
stated.  thankfully MM has come along as the third party contractor, 
they have accelerated the development in the very short time they 
have been involved.

as the landlord/ city I would put my feelings of ill will aside and 
utilize any leverage I have left to strike the best deal possible 
moving forward. as long as negotiations are in good faith and are 
mutually benificial both sides win.  perhaps the city has given away 
too much already, but they must work to salvage what they can and at 
the same time be realistic of what they can expect as concessions 
from a developer / sub delveloper who is pouring so much money 
in.espeically in these difficult economic times.  what other 
options does the city have right now?  is there anyone else standing 
in the wings that would be willing to do a large scale investment in 
AP at this moment? is there any way to exit the deal with AP 
Partners / MM without a long drawn out legal battle?  

at this point I would stick with asbury partners / mm put the ill 
feelings aside and focus on the making the best deal possible for 
the city moving forward.  just my opinion..i am not as close to 
this as many others here.

John
 




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[AsburyPark] Re: On Asbury....

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ 
 wrote:
 
  Also the Asbury Park boardwalk, while historic, is nowhere near 
a 
  historic district.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_May_Historic_District
 
 
 Don't rely totally on Wikipedia. Most colleges and U's with good 
prof 
 want people to go out and do real research.
 
 A bunch of land can be a historic district.
 
 And in some way, that land is abused. Green open spaces is ok. 
Werner 
 may not agree with it, buta mini-g and waterpark are borderline ok.
 
 Now here's a brief history of the green spaces on the boardwalk in 
 Asbury.
 
 They all had someting on it - rides, mini-g etc.
 
 They were all LEASED OUT by the city, in competitive (funny word) 
 bidding (sealed bids). Today, unless there is some compensation we 
 don't know about, the city gets ZERO for use of the green spaces 
 which generate income for the owners and they collect rent.
 
 Would you let me move in your house and not pay rent AND feed me?
---
for a period I would let you live rent free (me/city)

IF you are willing to invest very large sums of money into my house, 
home security and property (you/MM)

looks like a win win if the city and developers can execute the next 
stages and if we can avoid great depression 2.

glad to see some AP threads back.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Meters

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I parked in Hoboken today, after circling around for a spot on the 
street for around 20 minutes we finally settled into a lot by the 
path station.$22.00 3 hours!  Beautiful day, but the Italian 
fest was just OK. 

http://www.hobokenitalianfestival.com/html/history.htm

I used to love going to the St. Anne's Fest in Hoboken back on 7th 
and Jefferson. 

http://www.st-annchurch.com/default.asp?contentID=35

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[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Meters

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 .50 hour is the CHEAPEST parking. 
 
 John - how much are the lots in South Beach - I forgot. It;s more 
then
 .50 hour. 
 
 And if you're an AP resident - you should be walking or riding a 
bike.
-

i don't have a car down there, I always walk or take a taxi.  I 
found the following link though:  

http://www.miamibeachfl.gov/newcity/depts/parking/geninfo.asp

or

http://tinyurl.com/55xfra

they charge $1.00 per hour for meters in high density commercial 
areas and $.50 per hour in outlying areas8 hour max.  city of 
miami beach website is well laid out, informative and easy to 
navigate.  There is a parking tab on our city's website which 
appears to be a dead link?  This would be a good place to educate 
visitors about our parking stations and how to use them.  The city 
website really needs an overhaul.  I like the website MM put 
together http://www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com/ but it does not 
replace a good comprehensive city website.

John







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[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Meters

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  $30k in two weeks. 
 
 Brilliant.
 
 In AP old days, I kind of recall the meters going 24/7. Could be 
wrong.
 
 Run then down Lake Ave and catch the people that park for OG as 
well.
 
 And in Point, the private lots are running all day and night. 
 
 .50 an hour is CHEAP. Be happy. Should be $.75 to 1.00 East of 
Grand.
 
 Getting rid of the multiple time limits is a good idea as is 
lighting 
 the stations up at nightpeople are coming to AP and night and 
more 
 and more will be. If they pay $50 - $100 or more for a ticket to a 
 show, then $2 or $3.00 isn't going to hurt. 
 
 Go to a football game or baseball game  - does the price to park 
scare 
 people away or make them all take mass transit. The BW and Beach 
is an 
 asset and that has to be taken advantage of - that, the lack of 
rain 
 and the work of MM people = $$$.
 
 Someone said there are at least 30 shows coming to CH and 
Paramount 
 next year. That's alot of people and alot of people who have to 
park. 
 
 $1.00 hour. 30 shows, 8,000 cars. YOu can generate alot of parking 
 revenue-  over $2m if my funny math is right.

--
I like your math and I also like the pay stationsthis is a 
homerun for the city.  Just get the right signs up and work out the 
bugs.  The city could have obviously done a better job implementing 
it, but let's get it right immediatly and move on.  

John





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[AsburyPark] Re: Attainable Goal

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Asbury Parkunplug and recharge at the same time.

I think this is the one that Knockout came up with?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a tee shirt that says:
 
 Asbury Park - We killed Tillie.  You're next.
 
 That'll do.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
  
   probably could of done better, but since no one was buying the 
 drinks...
   
   Great when you can walk out on the deck of the beach bar and 
see 
 four 
   young ladies laying on a big sofa bed - makes you want to just 
dive 
   right in. 
   
   Well, at least it would make a neat commercial.
  
  
  Asbury Park - The World's Home
  
  I'm on Diet Coke and antibiotics so don't blame me.
 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I see your point about wanting a farmer's market closer to the rest 
of 
 the folk that *live* in AP - those are the people that will sustain 
a 
 market year-round. 



Hi Tracey.glad you thinking of returning to town.
 
FYIthere is a very small farmer's market on the west side of main 
street around sunset ave. 

Also the walk from the Berkeley to Cookman is managablethe 
downtown business owners should drop a basic map in the 2 hotels and 
along the boadwalk in order to attract people to the business who are 
not from the area and do not realize we have a great downtown district.

John




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[AsburyPark] Re: Just visited AP for the first time

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I see your point about wanting a farmer's market closer to the rest 
of 
 the folk that *live* in AP - those are the people that will sustain 
a 
 market year-round. 



Hi Tracey.glad you thinking of returning to town.
 
FYIthere is a very small farmer's market on the west side of main 
street around sunset ave. 

Also the walk from the Berkeley to Cookman is managablethe 
downtown business owners should drop a basic map in the 2 hotels and 
along the boadwalk in order to attract people to the business who are 
not from the area and do not realize we have a great downtown district.

John




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[AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity?

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 You seem to be overly positive and optimistic; going with the flow 
to 
 be part of the party perhaps? 


anyone who is investing in a business, and / or a buying house here 
I would characterize as attempting turn the tide rather that go with 
the flow.   

You keep talking about the past year in 
 your prior posts; is that the extent of your view about what has 
gone 
 on?


valid pointmy frame of reference isn't as long as others 
herethat is for surei am definetly a newbie as I have only 
had a house here since this March and visited AP for the first time 
in the spring of 07'.  i grew up in rochester, ny went to hoftra u 
in long island and have lived in NNJ for the past 15 or so years.
 
 I've read about all the great things supposed to be happening 
since 
 2000. By my count its now 7 years later and very little has been 
 accomplished in that time. (talking about the oceanfront)

i remember a post by tommy disputing the fact that the past 7 years 
have been a failed redevelopment...wish i had time to big it up and 
offer the link, i found it very interestingtalked about how bad 
it really was here before the first pioneers started coming in.

I am focusing on the fact that it is happeninig right now on the 
ocean front...more and more people are coming down and enjoying all 
AP has to offerlot's of great people, beach, restaurants, 
entertainment and other businesses all over town.  I am just praying 
that it does't become way overcrowded during the summer months as I 
am sure it evenutually will.  

 
 Ok you want things with a positive spin: (some issues people are 
 talking about)
 
 Wouldnt it be better if the Porta-Potties were gone?
 Wouldnt it be better if there were real rest rooms?
 Wouldnt it be better if the bandstand building were correctly 
restored?
 Wouldnt it be better if freight containers wre not used as 
buildings?
 Wouldnt it be better if roofs didn't have airconditioners all over 
 them?
 Wouldnt it be better if that unfinished foundation were not there?
 Wouldnt it be better if flood lights were not all over the place?
 Wouldnt it be better if the organ were working
 Wouldnt it be better if traffic flow was different?
 Wouldnt it be better if it lived up to the hype being put out for 
the 
 last 7 years?
 
 How about some positive criticisms from you instead of just going 
 along with everything? Fine if your happy with the way things are. 
I 
 was/am disappointed as are others apparantly.

i did notice that the slot you would put bills in in the new parking 
meters are very very low to the groundcould be annoying for 
anyone who does't carry change around such as myself.   

there is nothing fundamentally wrong with anything I see going on 
right nowif there was I would complain about them.  let's see 
how the ongoing negotiations go between MM and the cityhow the 
boardwalk looks and feels when it is closer to a finished product.  
there are many things that will be added or corrected and many 
things that people will not like.  i am starting to sound like a 
broken record.  can we agree to disagree?










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[AsburyPark] Style Rocket: Re: Boardwalk is magic tonight

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  What's the difference between $184 shorts and $4.25 for a dog, 
$4.00
  for fries and $3.00 for a soda - or $6.00 for a corona??
 
 
 Five years from now, that Corona will still be in style.

some things come back in style:

http://www.originalpenguin.com/opg/service/about_us.jsp




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[AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity?

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 I laid back for a while to see where the talk would go to.
 
 Why is it that any mention of making things better is usually 
flagged 
 as a complaint? I always though that being critical of things 
tends 
 to make them better.

Agreed on this point...but as I read on I see negativity in your 
post rather than contructive critcism.  Will everyone love all 
aspects of the redevelopmentof course not.  

 No wonder Asbury is in such a mess, noone wants to take advice or 
 admit that mistakes have been made. Going with the flow even when 
its 
 not in the best direction seems to be the normal MO.

your statement no wonder AP is such as messI think many here 
would disagree. look at the success of what has happenend in the 
residential community as well as what has happened on cookman and 
the boardwalk in progress, etc. Wouldn't you describe this as a 
success?

 
 Has Asbury lost control of its own future, I certainly was shocked 
to 
 see so little accomplished after hearing about the rebirth for 
years. 

We had a failed condo plan which may be blessing in disguise?

 More recently, didnt they make a commitment to have the entire 
 beachfront done by Memorial Day? Its almost Labor Day.

too ambitiuos of a timeline...I do not think anyone really expected 
this to happen by Memorial Day but it they didn't pu this aggesive 
time line in place they would probably be even further behind than 
today.
 
 I brought up the bad architecture and the answer was: its fine, 
its 
 better than a year ago, lets see where it goes. Well it looks like 
 its going nowhere. (thanks webcam and flicker, etc)

I see improved funcationality and conveniences with what they have 
done so far. I agree to a certain extent on the arguements against 
what has been done to the 5th ave pavillion especially if the band 
shell is not brought back into play.  If they chose brickface versus 
stucco would that solve the issue for you?

 
 Now the types of shops are an issue, rightfully so. Are the Porta-
 Potties gone yet? They were so tacky and low class along with the 
 freight containers.

In any redevelopment you will have retailers come and go...it is the 
nature of the beast.  as far as the containers, the positive spin is 
they allow people who otherwise couldn't afford boardwalk rents to 
participateI take my hat off to any and all of the people who 
have the faith and courage to participate and put their neck on the 
line.

I see more negativitly and despair than contructive critism in your 
posts.

John










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[AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity?

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ 
  wrote:
  
 
 
 AP, and most towns are not easy to work any longer. NEW construction
 is tougher then rehabbing. You can sit here and argue that they 
should
 of had more people working to get it done etc etc. But maybe the 
plans
 are changing as they go as to what should happen. Maybe, maybe not.
 
 

David.your input is invaluable on these topics.




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[AsburyPark] Re: BCH - TripAdvisor.com Review

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ 
wrote:
  
  My gut feeling is, the dated comments are accurate.
  Has anyone in the group stayed there recently ?
  
  Werner
 
 I think John D stayed there a few months ago and liked it.


I stayed there a number of times between July 07 through this past 
winter.  I reviewed some of the comments on tripadvisor and found 
most of them pretty accurate, however a few opinions too extreme.

take a look at Expedia reviews.6 reviews avg rating 4.3 out of 5 
http://tinyurl.com/59e29f

There is no doubt that maintaining the grounds better and repairing 
the exterior would elevate the image of the property.  The rear of 
the building could also be use some attention.  Service level is 
just OK, however I found the rooms clean and comfortable.

At the current price it is a bargain.unless you are turned off 
by ap.in which case you propably would not want to stay there 
for any price!  Bottom line in my opinion is that have done a pretty 
good job, but if they want to start comanding higher rates they need 
to pay more attention to the details.I can see why it is getting 
mixed reviews.

John











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[AsburyPark] Style Rocket: Re: Boardwalk is magic tonight

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I must admit that I dig the hot, tattoo'd chicks who work there.
 
 
 So that's why us over 45 year old guys go there...
--
You can include meso change that to 38 and over.  I bought the 
best swim suit I have ever bought in my life therethe penguin 
suits are worth the money.  They dry very quickly and once they are 
dry the fabric is more like regular shorts than a typical bathing 
suit which can irritate your skin.(maybe too much info) 

there are some things like shoes that I am not afraid to spend extra 
money on.they will last longer and are constructed better. 

I hope Style Rocket lasts on the boardwalkwhat I do not 
understand is furniture stores on the boardwalk, in my mind 
furniture stores belong downtown, on a highway or in a shopping 
area, eventually it will all work itself out. As others have 
mentioned would love to see an arcade, a good old fashioned 
pizzeria and 1 or 2 rides that would be focal pointsa carousel 
in the carousel house or a ferris wheel.  Different things excite 
different people.let's wait and see.

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[AsburyPark] Re: 1 ticket for Dylan 8/13

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 John -
 I emailed you at this address.
 I hope you got it.
 And, that the ticket is still available.
 If you look at my column on Dylan at www.asburyradio.com, you'll see 
 why this is so important to me.
 You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Thanks,
 Maureen


hi Maureeni just sent you an e-mail.  I am in idaho this week so a 
couple hours behind.

amazing story!  it took me some time to find the article as I didn't 
realize i had to click on the link to your APP articles from your 
asbury radio website.  

unfortunalty i already sold the ticket.  I am trying to see if I can 
find get another one.will let you know.

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[AsburyPark] 1 ticket for Dylan 8/13

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If anyone is interesting in going please send me an e-mail. My brother-
in-law bought a ticket for me through a reseller and it ends up that I 
can not attend.

Price is negotiable but I think he paid a little over $100??  I think 
face value was $50sorry I do not have exact details.  He can meet 
you Wed before the show.

Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I do not check m yahoo e-
mail on a regular basis.

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[AsburyPark] Re: 1 ticket for Dylan 8/13

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my e-mail address was blocked in my last post it is:

john(at)nationalfoodscorp(dot)com




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[AsburyPark] Re: This group has been really quiet lately...

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Werner, Thank You, again!  My point exactly!  MM did something 
illegal
 and don't give a rats you know what!  That makes them look greedy and
 underhanded is all.  
 

Sharon,

On this point I agree with you and Werner.there is a fine line 
between pushing to get something done and being underhanded or doing 
something illegal that may work in the short term but never in the 
long term.I do not have all the facts and do not attend all of the 
meetings as Werner does.  I do value Werner's input as well as 
everyone elses on the board. 

Regarding the fireworks, I assumed the MM funded them this year as 
they are included in all of the promotional materialmaybe someone 
can clarify?  I could very well be wrong on this point.

The sun is back out..heading to the boardwalk!

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[AsburyPark] Re: This group has been really quiet lately...

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ 
 wrote:
  
  Of course $$ is the bottom linethey have to get paid back on 
  their investment.  I just came back from the fireworks on the 
  boardwalkI imagine they must have spent at least $5,000.00 
on 
 an 
  amazing fireworks display (a guess)...this is an investment they 
 are 
  making to attract people to AP, which I guarantee they will not 
 see 
  back anytime soon. 
  
  People need to realize that they need to make $$$what other 
  incentive woud they have to continue development if they can't 
 make 
  money? I hope that eventually MM, the city and the business 
 owners  
  make an s load of $$ off the boardwalk so we can see fireworks 
and 
  many other attactions on the boarwalk today and for years to 
come.
 
 

 
 John, You are seroiusly misguided and misinformed regarding 
 redevelopment. The purpose of redevelopment is not for developers 
to 
 make money.

my point is that all parties need to make money in order for the 
redevelopment to be a continued success.  MM is in business to make 
money..they have exposure and risk here and they deserve to make 
money.  Of course that can not be at the expense of the city as the 
city must also benifit.  how could this be disputed?

 
 Its purpose is to heal and repair a damaged community. The City's 
 needs have not been addressed or met since this public process 
 started. We are in a financial state, due lack of development, 
that 
 would make a 'normal' business run for bankruptcy protection.

Yes the city is in a hole.What can be done specifically repair 
the city's poor finacial state?  Do you have any suggestions?  As 
far as healingMM is talking and has talked about bettering the 
community as a wholeis it just talk?  Is it even their job to be 
a healer?  Maybe this should fall on the people of the city?  If you 
wait for the city and government to do your healing you will 
probably have to get in line and wait a long long time.

as far as your point on bankrupcy protectionwe are in difficult 
times for individuals and many businesses as well.why would 
anyone even want to develop/invest with the current state of the 
economy? People are being more cautious in their spending.  

Based on a conversation with a restaurant owner on Cookman, the 
numbers so far this season are off compared to last summer.  I know 
from first hand experience that food costs are through the roof!  
Not a good combinationhigher food expenses and lower sales 
volume for restaurants.
 
 Certainly there has to be a profit motive to attract private 
 eneterprise but that can not overshadow the needs of the community 
 as a whole. This redevlopment is and continues to be a failure.
 
 No amount of glitz, new bars, poor architecture, attraction of 
 people, etc is going to change that. Aside from beach badge sales 
 and the coming parking fees what exactly do you see in direct 
income 
 to the City?

Since you are the expert, please inform us as to where the city 
could derive direct income from besides beach badge sales and 
parking fees?  What are the main sources of revenue for the 
surrounding towns that are not running at a deficitI would 
imagine property taxesmany of them are purely residential and do 
not have the benifit of offsetting expenses with a boardwalk 
business and a downtown district.  They also don't have the benifit 
of having tens of millions of dollars pumped into their school 
systems.  Based on these facts it would be hard to argue that the 
city is not spending wisely or collecting where they should?

I don't have all the answersjust a misguided and misinformed 
guy! 

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[AsburyPark] Re: This group has been really quiet lately...

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 MM and As. Partners do what the hell they want!
 The City can go pound salt, for all they care!  Money is the
 bottom line.  So will they be cited?  I don't think so.
 

Of course $$ is the bottom linethey have to get paid back on 
their investment.  I just came back from the fireworks on the 
boardwalkI imagine they must have spent at least $5,000.00 on an 
amazing fireworks display (a guess)...this is an investment they are 
making to attract people to AP, which I guarantee they will not see 
back anytime soon. 

People need to realize that they need to make $$$what other 
incentive woud they have to continue development if they can't make 
money? I hope that eventually MM, the city and the business owners  
make an s load of $$ off the boardwalk so we can see fireworks and 
many other attactions on the boarwalk today and for years to come.






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[AsburyPark] boardwalk.......awful, awesome or somewhere inbetween?

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 This is what I dont get. Why does everyone (almost everyone) 
measure 
 things by 'its better then it was' when there are obvious problems 
 with whats being done?


response: what's obvious too me is that the area continiues to 
improveis it perfect? nobut is anythng ever perfect?  to me  
the look of the pavillions is a very subjective.i guess this is 
what you are referring to as obvious problems?

where would the boardwalk be today if MM was not here?  this is the 
MM era of the boardwalk and you should judge the progress of bw from 
when they started taking an active role here just over a year ago.  
to suggest that the boardwalk has not benefited tremendously from 
their presence is crazy in my opinion. (leaning towards 
awesometime will tell)   
 
 Seems that anything is accepted and saying that its bad or could 
be 
 better gets you flagged as not going along with the project. I 
didnt 
 see how bad it was so am looking at things as what they are not 
 what they were.

response: I for one doesn't care about how good or bad it was in 
forming my opinion of what is happening today.  do you like it 
today? if not there are plenty of other options on the shore and 
elsewhere. i am not trying to be a wiseguy, but if the bw is really 
that dissappointing why bother even coming here when you could spend 
your time somewhere else?  

 
 Guess thats the problem with being in Asbury a long time you lose 
 sight of what good work and design are supposed to look like. Very 
 strange considering the minority opinion, if paid attention to, 
would 
 make Asbury much better.

response: maybe yes maybe no.I also don't feel that there is 
anything wrong about being 50/50 on an issue.  why do you have to be 
all in or all out on the project?  seems to me in most cases that 
the people that are leaning towards the positive are more balanced 
in their opinion, where the people that don't like certain aspects 
are only posting negative comments and are not recognizing the 
positive.  maybe some don't see any positive?

give it some more timethe boardwalk is not finished yet.

John


 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ 
 wrote:
 
  like i said 50/50 so far... theyre better than what was there, 
but 
  the architecture is very very subpar. i appreciate the shops and 
  stores much more than the buildings. and the 5th ave pavilions 
  appearance saddens me.
 






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[AsburyPark] Re: boardwalk.......awful, awesome or somewhere inbetween?

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com ,
 nobepeymay nobepeymay@ wrote:
 
 
  if the bw is really
  that dissappointing why bother even coming here when you could 
spend
  your time somewhere else?
 
 
 The situation in Asbury Park neither will, nor even could, be as 
simple
 as you can always go somewhere else. During and immediately
 following Hurricane Katrina, plenty of people outside the United 
States,
 may of whom had never been to New Orleans, were genuinely horrified
 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
f=/g/a/2005/09/07/worldviews.\
 DTL  and disappointed by the devastation and government reaction 
to the
 tragedy there. They had no financial ties to the city and 
certainly paid
 no taxes to the government whose responsibility it was to provide
 security, and then relief, to the citizens displaced by the flood. 
Yet
 they were no less sincerely distraught because of it. This is 
because
 New Orleans, arguably more than any other American city, occupies a
 special place in the collective conscience of people outside the 
United
 States. It is home to a cultural legacy (namely jazz) as 
indispensible
 to the global community as French Impressionism, Tango, Greek
 playwriting, or the Egyptian pyramids. So when the cradle of that 
legacy
 was so visibly damaged, the impact was felt far more deeply and
 personally a world away than when the small towns of Illinois and 
Iowa
 flooded last month.
 
 A parallel phenomenon exists with Asbury Park, albeit on a less 
global
 scale. Despite its decidedly undemocratic roots, the town 
eventually
 evolved from Asbury Park, NJ into Asbury Park, U.S.A. – a national
 playground on the level of a Niagara Falls, a Hershey, a 
Williamsburg,
 or a Coney Island. The town's cultural legacy, warts
 
http://www.publications.villanova.edu/Concept/2007/07_papers_html/Go
ldb\
 erg.GreetingsfromJimCrow.htm  and all
 http://books.google.com/books?id=RaT7Ip9RXZ8C , became America's.
 Conversely, the residents' concerns, vis-à-vis redevelopment,
 became America's. Thus, when Madison Marquette indeed restores a
 Paramount Theatre so well, they are rightly lauded by those both 
in and
 outside the city. When they couple such high-quality restoration 
with
 low-quality letdowns like the 5th Avenue Pavilion and the container
 shops, however, many outside the city feel as robbed as they would 
if
 they lived for 30 years on Sewall or Emory. When the developers 
ignore
 key aspects of signed agreements with the city, and the city's own
 representatives forgive it with an almost-flippant those plans 
were
 supplanted, it is not only city residents' faces being slapped.
 Much like the Katrina situation.
 
 Now, of course there is no comparison between Madison Marquette 
and the
 government in terms of authority or consequences. No one has lost 
there
 lives due to MM's actions or inactions and it would be difficult to
 imagine a scenario where anyone would. But, as they must surely 
realize
 by now, in taking on this project MM has entered into an unwritten 
yet
 tangible covenant with every American concerned with his or her
 nation's cultural legacy – regardless of residence. Our heritage
 is in their hands. That is why you can't simply tell someone
 disappointed in the current direction of the boardwalk, There are
 other places you can go. Those who want to see Asbury Park finally
 fulfill its promise – economically, socially, culturally – are
 not looking for someplace to go. They are desperately seeking some
 assurance that quality is not the province of the well-connected, 
that
 citizens of any background can still enjoy unfettered access to
 community resources, and that government and the private sector can
 indeed meet their bottom line while still being held to the 
highest of
 standards. Merely driving on to Point or Wildwood will not assuage 
them.

---

Sandpiper,

as usual interesting points, i really enjoy reading your posts

What I was attemting to point out is that stucco versus brick on the 
boarwalk pavillions or the color of the stucco should not dissuade 
anyone from giving the boardwalk and AP in progress a second chance. 

Maybe I am oversimplyfying, but this is the way I see it.  The 
poster, as far as I remember, was only speaking to the appearance of 
the boardwalk and lack of progress from a development standpoint not 
the cultural and social aspects you reference.  In fact, I am not 
sure if the poster is upset  because they did not see 3,000 condos 
in place?  

I agree that you can't swap out what AP was and even still is for an 
experience in another Jersey Shore town.   

Just for the record I do not want south beach in APif I want a 
south beach experience I would rather go to south beach to get it.

John




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[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't disagree with that Dan.
 But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical 
direction things we'll be 
 taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury 
Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, 
 but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical 
direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz 
 Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy 
and modern. Original.
 I don't like shopping. I like to be around history.
 Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda 
trashy in my opinion.
 Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm 
just not one of them.
 I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these 
days. To me, a good 
 time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. 
There's something about 
 that that just does it for me. 
 I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the 
boardwalk redev, but I just 
 can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little 
vending truck then browse thru a 
 store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not 
going to waste my time at 
 the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other 
people are satisfied with 
 the direction that things are going in.
--

Jack,

what i am taking from your posts is that there is still quite a bit 
you like in town, but you are not excited about the boardwalk.

taking into account all of the things you wish were different, I 
would imagine that AP still has certain unique and desirable 
attributes you desirearchitectural elements such as convention 
hall, music venues such as the the saint and the lanes, family 
businesses such as Johhny G, proximaty to NYC and interesting 
communitites such as OG.  

is there another community that has this much authenticity in the 
area.even though it is being watered down to a certain extent it 
is still here in a big way. everytime a bring someone into the city 
that has not been here they are blown away by how different it is 
than anywhere esle they have ever been.

John

 











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[AsburyPark] Re: Fireworks

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Bevacqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Am I the only one that has a problem with a major fireworks 
display happening at 11:00 p.m.? I think that's entirely too late, 
special event or no special event. Maybe I'm just getting old.

-

I think it is greatI am not aware of any other town that has 
fireworks that late and it sets AP apart.

we have to cater to all different crowds here and as long as each 
group is satisfied then the boardwalk will stay busy during all 
hours of operation.  I was riding my bike around both Friday and 
Saturday late at night (after 12) to see how busy stuff was and 
besides the impressive line outside the Empress on Saturday the 
crowds appeared to be pretty thin everywhere else at this hour.  

If this was the only fireworks display of the season and it was real 
late I would probably feel differently.  Was there alot of people on 
the beach for the late fireworks?  Also does anyone have any 
information as to how the restaurants on cookman are doing this 
season?  I was told by a friend that the restaurants in Cape May are 
not nearly as busy as they usually are this time of year.  

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[AsburyPark] Appearance of Pavillions this summer versus last summer

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hi, I thought I included your post? You were commenting on the 
need 
 for mixed uses. I was agreeing with that, but then saying that it 
 doesnt look like much has been done given the years that have gone 
 by.
 
 I can see why there is a lot of criticism of how its been handled. 
 I'm still thinking of the big promo with Springsteen concerts and 
 all.
 
 The places to stay are out of my price range, as are the 'nicer' 
 clubs and shops. The key to any good revitalization of a down and 
 out area is a mix thats affordable.
 
 I dont see it and there is really not much entertainment wise in 
 reality. Funny that you dont think the boardwalk looks 'cheap', 
 perhaps you dont know what a place like the bandstand building is 
 supposed to look like?
-

We are in agreement on mixed uses.  

We disagree on the renovated pavilionsI don't think they look 
cheap.  Although I think we need to give the boardwalk a bit more 
time before we cast a final judgement, it is still a work in 
progress.  

I have seen some of the pictures Oak has posted of the pavillions 
and also viewed them prior to contruction last summermy feeling 
is that most people would feel that the pavillions looked tired 
prior to the renovation and they look better today?  Maybe someone 
can start a survey on this?..it would be interesting to see the 
results.  Pavillion appearance this summer versus last summer?  

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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


 
 John, I'm certain that in your business the issues 
of presentation
 or packaging come into play. Shape of jars, colors of labels etc.
 
 The same applies to buildings and architectural identity. That's 
what
 differentiates the simply good or acceptable from the really great 
and
 forward looking.
 
 At issue is, could the 5th Avenue Pavilion have been better 
designed
 esthetically with no additional cost. Clearly the answer is yes, We
 have lost a significant architectural icon due to the choices made 
and
 allowed.
 
 The terms of the Dispute Resolution Agreement and the specifics of 
the
 Redevelopment Plan were violated. There appear to be no 
consequences,
 that is what's problematic.
 
 Werner
 
 PS: Please don't fall for the Its OK because we are moving 
forward
 argument. Details of what the Public was promised are significant.

-
more comes into play than just the packaging in selling a 
productalthough that is critical.  In this case I believe the 
appearance of AP city and boardwalk (our packaging)is just fine and 
getting better every day.  There is also brand recogntion, placement 
on the shelf and the quality of the product, etc.  Our product (AP) 
is selling as of late because we are strong in all these areas.  
Again I see a bright future ahead.at this point I believe the 
players have too much at stake not to work out differnces even if 
they are big ones. 

let's seewe are have some nice sunny summer days ahead.  One 
concern I do have is how viable these boardwalk businesses will be 
over the winter?  Opening up the pavillions to Ocean Ave was smart 
but will it be enough? If the businesses are successful and there is 
enough $$ for everyone to share we should be OK. 

John






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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the 
media 
 did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last 
years. 
 Looks like a long wasy to go.
 
-
first off another great weekend in AP.

I am not quite sure to what you are agreeing to in my previous 
post?  The first time I visited AP was about 14 months ago and I 
think the city has made significant progress since my first visit.  
as far as the boardwalk looking cheapI am also in disagreement, 
of course this is very subjective.  (keep in mind that it is not 
finished yet).  

If you look at where we could or should be now based on expectaions 
from 2001 you could drive yourself crazyuse 1/08 or even today 
as your frame of reference and move forward from herefuture 
looks good in my opinion, why dwell on the past and be negative?  

i think the bottom line is that a safe, clean and interesting 
boardwalk, beach and city with lots of great businesses, people, 
music and entertainment is going to be the deciding factor on the 
success of the city not whether or not there is 1 or 3 colors on a 
building.   

Just my opinion.

John




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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[nobepeymay]

 Charlie,
 
 My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and 
 witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly 
accepted 
 as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every 
 Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the 
 planning Board.
 
 I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft 
 created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton  Hintz. My 
 questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not 
 accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and 
 ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be 
a 
 primarily residential development with amenities for the use of 
 those residents.
 
 Recall that the explaination to the public was that the 
traditional 
 destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round 
 high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the 
 plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it.
 
 I hope that clears up your concerns,
 
 Werner
...

glad the developers have switched gears...it is obvious that the 
millions upon millions that are being spent are for a much wider 
audience and not the condo owners who are here in small numbers.  
Based on the scale of investment being made there is no way the 
condo owners alone could keep the boardwalk busineses afloat.

take a look at the new website.is this geared specifically for 
condo owners?  I don't think so.  In my opinion, the focus has 
changed and will adapt to today's needs.  This is being proven out 
by the direction and new adaptation of the boardwalk to a wider 
audience than you reference above..
 
John





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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

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 John, your hopes and observations are optimistic and I agree that 
a 
 change of direction is needed and desirable. But, The developers 
 have no gears to switch.
 
 The point I have been making that seems to escape everyone in that 
 the PLAN is the law. The PLAN dictates land use and unless it is 
 changed it will run its course as I have described. (intensely 
 residential)
 
 As much as MM or anyone else wants AP to be a destination, the 
PLAN 
 as currently structured does not support that goal very well. It 
was 
 not the goal in its creation.
 
 The PLAN is the guiding redevelopment document, it needs to be 
 reexamined and modified to better support a destination based 
 economy.
 
 Werner
-

Werner,

I agreefrom a big picture perspective if the current plan is 
not economically viable there must be changes made to the PLAN / 
redevelopment document.  

I for one would like a healthy mix of residential, retail and 
entertaiment by the boardwalkI fear that if the boardwalk 
becomes almost exclusively a tourist destination it will not be as 
enjoyable for those of us who live here or spend a bunch of time 
here.  In my opinion a boardwalk and businesses that would end up 
being way over crowded would be less desirable to take advatage of. 

A balance of being able to support a thriving boardwalk and city 
with and well thought out entertainment options / festivals / events 
would be great.I would take quality over quantity.

I like the fact that quite a bit of the retail has an interactive 
element to itI stopped by the Cuban Sandwich Container and they 
mentioned to me that they are going to have Salsa lessons on the 
boardwalkhow cool is that!  Hope this interactive retail thread 
continues throughout the boardwalk.

All parties involved in the redevelopment must continue to adapt to 
what is most benificial to all the citizens of of this community and 
the visitors in order for this redevopment to be considered a 
success.

I remain cautiously optimistic, as we are taking steps in the right 
direction.  If fundamental changes are needed to keep the progress 
going, I have faith that these changes can be worked outthen 
again I haven't lived through all of the starts / stops and false 
promises that many have here.  I believe Mario in one of his posts 
mentioned this time it feels different.  Stay tuned!  

John










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[AsburyPark] Re: amazing crowd for the fireworks

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 $22 burgers will never make it in Asbury Park, or anywhere else 
along 
 the Jersey Shore.


I have heard that people are paying $25,000.00 initiation fees plus 
yearly dues to belong to the beach club and pool at the Avenue in Long 
Branch.

 




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[AsburyPark] Re: amazing crowd for the fireworks

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote:
 
  $22 burgers will never make it in Asbury Park, or anywhere else 
 along 
  the Jersey Shore.
 

The Ave also offers bottle serviceI would imagine they fetch 
$300.00 plus for a bottle of grey goose and a comfy sofa near the 
dance floor.  Lot's of times these types of nightclubs even have the 
balls to make groups committ to mutliple bottles. 

I think this type of customer would pay for a $22 burger. 




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[AsburyPark] K Brown in an ahole

[nobepeymay]

Sorry but I had to change the name of this thread.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Get over yourself Kevin.  This was really your personal Don Imus 
 moment, and now you either are the homophobe your statements make 
 you appear to be or are too self-absorbed and self-righteous to 
 recognize how offensive what you wrote was and apologize for it.
 
 The fact that you don't care what others think (...think what you 
 may, it's of no consequence to me.) really sums it up.  You are 
all 
 about you.  That's what everything you do is really about, isn't 
it.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   You forgot to mention you too can prove you are a homophobe.  
 Because 
   you asked Mario about his sexual preference as an insult.  Do 
 you 
  think 
   being gay is someting to be ashamed of Kevin?  Is that your 
 point of 
   view?  I think you've demonstrated tonight what you're all 
about 
 for 
   anyone who didn't already know.  
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
 wrote:
Kevin Brown
PS:  I too can fashion a whip and deal with the money 
 changers.  I 
too can take up a sword and sleigh a philistine.  I too can 
 hurl a 
stone and destroy Goliath.
   
  
  
  You are wrong.
  and if Mario comes all the way out with the Lights, camera, 
 action 
  remark you will all see what I am regalling.  Until that moment 
 think 
  what you may, it's of no consequence to me.
  KB
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: K Brown in an ahole

[nobepeymay]

you are right on one thing name calling is never good.  

heterophobe -  An individual who is characterized through being 
obsessed by heterophobia. 

How did you jump to the conclusion that I am a Herophobe as you 
don't even know me. 

The name calling is related your question to Mario which I did not 
find appropriate.  

I have to admitt that you do write well.I just don't agree with 
your opinions!   




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 well thought out action.
 
 Whenever a debate goes against you, you resort to name calling.
 
 Typical heterphobe behaviour.
 
 LOL





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: matolla comes out swinging

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I am surprised more people have not commented on this very AP relevant 
article and topic.  Seems to be a very positive statement for efforts 
to accelerate what most on this board seem to be pushing 
for.entertainment/recreation/dining.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  see the sunday press.
  
 
 
 Well, the finally seem to be listening to what has been said here for
 the past few years. Not on pavilion at a time, but the whole thing.
 Build the bw first before the residential. I won't take credit for 
it.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: matolla comes out swinging

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based on the strong statements in the article I assume they have 
patched up any differnces with Asbury Partners?  It seems as if the 
local officials are excited about the stratagy based on comments 
made in the article?

never 100% clear!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you mean here, or on the APP website?
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay john@ wrote:
 
  I am surprised more people have not commented on this very AP 
relevant 
  article and topic.  Seems to be a very positive statement for 
efforts 
  to accelerate what most on this board seem to be pushing 
  for.entertainment/recreation/dining.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
   
see the sunday press.

   
   
   Well, the finally seem to be listening to what has been said 
here for
   the past few years. Not on pavilion at a time, but the whole 
thing.
   Build the bw first before the residential. I won't take credit 
for 
  it.
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] who owns Trader Joe's?

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http://www.furia.com/vf/log.cgi?topic=38

Last Post on page.

You'll be hard-pressed to find the information anywhere on the 
Trader Joe's website, but the chain is in fact owned by Karl and 
Theo Albrecht. I think last year, Karl weighed in with a net worth 
of $20-some billion, good enough for #3 in the world. (Behind that 
IKEA guy and Gates, I think.) Theo is on the list as well, but 
further down.  

They've made most of their money with the Aldi chain of grocery 
stores in Europe. With the caveat that I've never set foot in an 
Aldi store, they have the reputation of being a Wal-Mart of Europe. 
While they do have lower prices, their stores are junky (e.g., 
they won't take things out of the packing box, just put the packing 
box on the shelf and cut off one side of it. Think Food-4-Less in 
the U.S.) and they have poor labor practices in much the same way as 
Wal-Mart. Or as bad as you can get in Europe, anyway. Apparently as 
a general matter the Albrecht's are good at union breaking.  

I find it very amusing that Trader Joe's has become this icon for 
left-leaning Bobos when it's almost secretly owned by the Waltons of 
Europe. 



 
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[AsburyPark] who owns trader joe's?

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http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880010.htm

What's next? Aldi now shows signs of stepping up the pace of its 
expansion on Wal-Mart's turf. Aldi opened its first U.S. store in Iowa 
in 1976 and has sales of $4.8 billion in North America, according to 
M+M. And Trader Joe's Co., a specialty grocer owned by a family trust 
that Aldi co-founder Theo Albrecht created for his sons, has become 
the hottest thing in U.S. retailing by extending the Aldi concept to 
upscale products like wine and cashew butter.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Reviving a Seaside Resort

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Pretty pictures yesI have heard that you can become a member of 
le club if you pay a $20,000 initiation fee and big annual dues!!  
That private pool looks nice in the picture but $20,000?  People are 
paying it.a grand slam for the applied companies as far as being 
a commercial success.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pretty pictures and a tribute to Long Branch here:  _Click  here: 
Reviving a 
 Seaside Resort - New York Times_ 
 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/30njlong
.html)  
  
 But then there's this from Red Bank  _Click  here: McLoone’s 
Pier House « 
 Life In A Trendy Town_ (http://redbankblues.wordpre
 ss.com/2007/06/16/mcloones-pier-house/)  :  If you're  looking 
for a nice, quiet evening of fine dining at 
 an affordable price, you'll  want to stay away from _McLoone’s 
Pier House_ 
 (http://www.mcloones.com/pierhouse/index.shtml)  in Long  Branch.
  
 As its name implies, McLoone’s overlooks the Atlantic and sits 
on the  
 boardwalk adjacent to the mind numbingly trendy Pier Village 
shops. Yes, the  ocean’
 s pretty. But once you get past the view, there’s not much to  
recommend. 
 Different strokes for different folks? 
 MMM 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury To lose a Supermarket

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find a location for me to speak to Trader Joe's and / or another food 
retailer to occupy and I will give it a try! 

John


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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[AsburyPark] Re: UPDATE: Asbury Park⠀™s Apple Harvest Festival

[nobepeymay]

Michael,

Wondering why this is a 6:00 PM to 10:00 PM event?  This event seems 
ideal for children.wouldn't a daytime festival that stretched 
into the evening make more sense?

John



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Calling All Pie Bakers and Banjo Players to
 Asbury Park’s Apple Harvest Festival
 
 Saturday, September 29, 2007
 6:00pm-10:00pm
 Downtown Asbury Park
 Cookman Avenue
 
 Ansell, Zaro, Grimm  Aaron presents Asbury Park’s 
Apple Harvest Festival which will be held on Cookman Avenue.  This 
apple-filled event will quench your craving for â
€œEverything Apple” starting with apple pie baking 
contests and Delicious Orchards Apple Cider Donut eating contests at 
6:00pm. 
 
 Savor citrus apple delights offered at these participating 
restaurants Adriatic Restaurant, America’s Cup, Bistro 
Ole, Carmine’s, Chat  Nibble, Isabella’s, 
Jimmy’s Italian Restaurant, La Tapatia, Market in the 
Middle, Mattison Park, Moonstruck Restaurant and Cocktail Lounge, 
Old Man Rafferty’s, Restaurant Plan B, Salt Water Beach 
Café, Sister Sue’s, TAKA, The Brick Wall Tavern  
Restaurant, The Harrison, T.J.’s Pizza, Twisted Tree, and 
Wish You Were Here.
  
 110 banjo players are encouraged to register to participate at 6pm 
in the celebration of the city’s 110th anniversary with a 
commemorative photo as well as the playing of an old time banjo 
tune. Bluegrass music, performed by the Glimmer Grass Band, with its 
energetic rhythm of banjoes and fiddles, will encourage you to kick 
up your heels. Venture into downtown stores which will preview fall 
2007 fashions and autumn interior designs for your home. 
 
 For more information, sponsorship opportunities, or registration 
to be a banjo player or in the apple pie baking contest please call 
Jewell Marketing Associates at 732-502-9310 or log on 
www.cityofasburypark.com.
 
 
 Michael W. Brim
 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
 Asbury Park NJ 07712
 Cell: 732-996-8160





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park - The focus of this group

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I agreeit is tough to find enough time in the day to look at the 
AP group website.and to sift through posts that have nothing to 
do with AP is a waste of time for people who are interested in 
discussions related to the community.

I especially like the point at the bottom of Hinge's e-mail about 
how influential the group has proven to be and about who is 
obvioulsy viewing the board.if the board gets bogged down with 
too many non AP issues it may lose its influence. 

John


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 you did the right thing.
 
 On Sep 14, 2007, at 8:19 AM, Hinge wrote:
 
  I joined this group because I wanted to talk about Asbury Park, 
and  
  learn more about the city,
  it's citizens, it's past, and it's future.
  In the past year, it's been fairly obvious that the cities  
  administration, Asbury Partners and
  Madison Marquette visit this group, and upon occasion the 
things  
  discussed here actually
  have an effect on the city.
  We've made friends, we've helped people, and in a small way, 
we've  
  even helped the city.
  To overwhelm this board with discussions that have nothing to 
do  
  with the city undermines
  the group itself. That's why I made the simple suggestion that 
we  
  create a group so that local
  people can discuss other things, like politics, and religion.
  Why is that a bad thing? Our country and media is already  
  overwhelmed with political
  discussions etc. My only desire was to shift the focus of the 
group  
  back to the reason it
  exists in the first place. If anybody is angered or offended by  
  that desire, I apologize.
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park - The focus of this group

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I agree..in my opinion even if the threads are 75% AP park 
related that would be great but once you start see see 75% of the 
topics and posts in the other direction that is when I feel the 
board is not serving AP as well as it may be.





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
 Re: too many non AP issues it may lose its influence.   
  
 As long as there is room for the occasional exception --  like  
your and 
 Allan's recommendation for the grapeseed oil at Wegmans.  I 
always  wondered what 
 its advantage was was until I learned here about the smoke  point 
etc  
   
  
 We'll need a moderator as wise as Solomon.  
  
 In a message dated 9/14/2007 12:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I  agreeit is tough to find enough time in the day to look at 
the 
 AP  group website.and to sift through posts that have nothing 
to 
 do with  AP is a waste of time for people who are interested in 
 discussions related  to the community.
 
 I especially like the point at the bottom of Hinge's  e-mail about 
 how influential the group has proven to be and about who is  
 obvioulsy viewing the board.if the board gets bogged down with 
 too  many non AP issues it may lose its influence.  
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans

[nobepeymay]

I actually grew up in Rochester, NY where Wegman's is based and 
enjoyed the Wegman's shopping experience through out my childhood.

Having a Wegman's within a few miles of AP definetly played into my 
decision to buy here.

I also do some business with themthey are a great company to deal 
with and are extremely sensitive to the quality of anything that has 
their name on it. Most of their private label items are better quality 
than the national brands!  Pick up some of their basting oil (grape 
seed oil with fresh herbs in a glass bottle)we bottle that for 
them.



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 -they should give out I love Wegman's T-shirts.
 
 And yes, the supermarket in AP could e a culture shock, but it is a
 gret place to shop.
 
 For you history buffs, its where Tommy probably ran through the isles
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans

[nobepeymay]

excellentI am glad you are happy with the product!  Excellent 
spice blend with high smoke point grape seed oil is a winning 
combination.  

As a side note I was on the board walk all day todayI had some 
friends with me from Fort Lauderdale, they loved it.

What a beautiful day in AP!




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 John, I use the basting oil anytime i am cooking vegtables on the 
grill.  Wegmans has nailed the retial.  The consumer has a great 
shopping experience.  Not only the products, but the presentation 
and Wegmans educates.  I would never have picked up the basting oil 
had then not been using it outside on their own grills.  For those 
who don't know.  Grape seed oil can withstand higher temperatures 
over oilve oil.  I use it most when cooking on the grill, vegtables, 
shrimp etc.
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:59:57 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wegmans
 
 I actually grew up in Rochester, NY where Wegman's is based and 
 enjoyed the Wegman's shopping experience through out my childhood.
 
 Having a Wegman's within a few miles of AP definetly played into 
my 
 decision to buy here.
 
 I also do some business with themthey are a great company to 
deal 
 with and are extremely sensitive to the quality of anything that 
has 
 their name on it. Most of their private label items are better 
quality 
 than the national brands! Pick up some of their basting oil (grape 
 seed oil with fresh herbs in a glass bottle)we bottle that for 
 them.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@  wrote:
 
  -they should give out I love Wegman's T-shirts.
  
  And yes, the supermarket in AP could e a culture shock, but it 
is a
  gret place to shop.
  
  For you history buffs, its where Tommy probably ran through the 
isles
  of Grand Union
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I worry about metro


Allan,

I have seen this comment from you more than once.  I think it is 
irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to 
back up your statement.  

What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried 
about Metro?  

John



 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
 
 A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 
price
 slashed by $106,000. 
 
 (20%)
 
 And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J.,
 got lowered by nearly $100,000.
 
 (less then 1%)
 
 Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR.
 
 We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. 
 
 Sales call at The Esperanza today...
 
 Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read.
 
 Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good 
for 
 the 4th Ave condo convert.
 
 
 
 
 

 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel

[nobepeymay]

FYI.hotels.com has rooms for $132.00 and the Berkeley Hotel is 
matching the internet rate for my stay there tomorrow as well as 
upgrading me to an ocean view room.  Once this becomes a full 
service hotel I am sure they will be able to command a rate even 
higher than $190.00 per night

I stayed at the hotel 2 weeks ago and besides some minor 
inconveniences it was a pleaseant stay.  I became very dizzy in the 
room bescause there was about 20 different patterns that shot out at 
me as I opened the door.some how it all works though! 

I think it is a great addtition to town.however they need to 
enhance the curb appeal.such as landscaping and 
windows.these little things can go a long way.  I understand 
they are spending $25,000 per room for renovationsfurniture is 
very high end.

John
 

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 I've been to cool funky hotels all over the planet.
 Funky and old outside is one thing, but wouldn't you be a little 
dismayed if you spent that 
 kind of money and pulled up and saw broken and boarded up windows? 
What about 
 windows that are open despite the fact that it's raining outside?
 I think that if you are gonna pay $190 a night for a hotel, no 
matter where it is, the 
 company that owns that hotel should make an effort to have the 
exterior reflect what you 
 are about to experience. Boarded up and broken windows, no matter 
how temporary, don't 
 exactly serve a hotel trying to get it's feet off the ground well. 
But, maybe i'm wrong. 
 Finally, and i'm not sure about this, but I think it's now just 
called The Berkley, which is a 
 good move, because the last few years as the Berkley Carteret 
weren't very kind to the 
 hotel. Go to tripadvisor.com and check out the reviews. Not a 
flattering picture at all.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote:
 
  I disagree on all points.  There are lush apartments in old  
  buildings in the meat packing district that have been 
transformed 
  into very cool apt's.  There are dance clubs in old churches 
(see 
  the limelight).  I've been to hotels in France which are 400 
years 
  old and have a funky retro bar inside.  I think when something 
is 
  unique and old outside and funky inside it adds something to a 
  place.  I agree on boarded up windows but that is temporary im 
  sure.  Lastly, in any other beach town on the entire shore you 
pay 
  $150-$160 per night at a minimum to stay in some shitty little 
motel 
  sometimes blocks from the beach.  Nobody thought you could 
charge 
  $14 for a crab cake on the asbury boardwalk either and Salt 
Water 
  Cafe was jammed all summer.  
  
  
  
  
   I think the problem is that the exterior of the building 
doesn't 
  reflect what may be going 
   on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, 
and 
  you pulled up in front, 
   wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up 
windows?
   I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, 
but, 
  I think it's premature to 
   expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet.
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:

 That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night
 

I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the 
Berkeley.  
  So, 
people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look 
like 
  the 
mall of america and every other boring town.  Then someone 
comes 
  in 
and spends money to renovate the building.   Does something 
  different 
and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan 
  eclectic 
funky feel to the place and that is a problem.  What exactly 
  should be 
done, im curious?
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

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Understood..thanks for the clarification.  

I do not agree on all points.  In my opinion now that the market is 
difficult, they need to spend more than ever to market the property. 
They are also contracting units.so the money they are spending 
on marketing is paying off.

As far as the point of having nothing to sellonce there is a 
contract, buyers are contractually obligated to buy once their unit 
is completed or they will lose their deposits.  With the percentage 
and profile of the buyers that are buying in the building I would 
guess this is not going to be a problem.  

John

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 I do not claim to have specific information.  I have said in 
previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this 
slump.  While it is good for the town, and the other developers who 
currently have product to sell, it make me worried.  I did not 
slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were looking 
to get out of Asbury.  Simply said thier actions make me nervous 
which is an opinion.  Isn't this board for opinions?  I do not 
pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this 
is irresponsible.  I wish them the best of luck and I love the 
design and marketing of the project.  Just some of the business 
decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is involved 
in right now, are really big.
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson 
nnjallans1@ ... 
 wrote:
 
  I worry about metro
 
 Allan,
 
 I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is 
 irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to 
 back up your statement. 
 
 What specific information do you have that leads to be 
so worried 
 about Metro? 
 
 John
 
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: oakdorf oakdorf@ 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
  
  A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 
 price
  slashed by $106,000. 
  
  (20%)
  
  And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J.,
  got lowered by nearly $100,000.
  
  (less then 1%)
  
  Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR.
  
  We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. 
  
  Sales call at The Esperanza today...
  
  Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read.
  
  Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon 
Good 
 for 
  the 4th Ave condo convert.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

[nobepeymay]

I hope I am correct also.only time will tell!!  Since I decided 
to buy in AP I have tried to remain as optimistic as 
possible.but understand there are challenges ahead and am trying 
to also be realistic.  I am a newcomer and have not suffered through 
all of the false promises and delays that many of you have been 
subjected to.

I remain hopeful because I see how engaged and passionate the people 
on this board and the people I have met in AP are about the AP 
community. We also have some serious people involved in the water 
front development now and what has already happened on Cookman is so 
cool and amazing to me.  

John

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 John I hope you are correct.  There are so many ways things could 
play out and if anyone of us knew we would make a ton of $$$.  As I 
said before I love the building plans and believe the marketing of a 
lifestyle canpaign is great.  However people sign contracts and 
people drop out.  The unit is not sold untill there is a closing.  
Money they are taking in now should not be used for marketing or 
construction.  Funds should be in escrow or could be used if a bond 
is posted.  There are ways out of a contract.  This is why North 
Beach has a discount (I believe 10%) for completed invertory.  I do 
not know if this market slump has hit bottom.  While we have seen 
some positive signs this past two months we still are in a buyers 
market and we don't know if things have leveled off yet.   
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:29:45 PM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
 
 Understood.. thanks for the clarification. 
 
 I do not agree on all points. In my opinion now that the market is 
 difficult, they need to spend more than ever to market the 
property. 
 They are also contracting units.so the money they are spending 
 on marketing is paying off.
 
 As far as the point of having nothing to sellonce there is a 
 contract, buyers are contractually obligated to buy once their 
unit 
 is completed or they will lose their deposits. With the percentage 
 and profile of the buyers that are buying in the building I would 
 guess this is not going to be a problem. 
 
 John
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson 
nnjallans1@ ... 
 wrote:
 
  I do not claim to have specific information. I have said in 
 previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this 
 slump. While it is good for the town, and the other developers who 
 currently have product to sell, it make me worried. I did not 
 slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were 
looking 
 to get out of Asbury. Simply said thier actions make me nervous 
 which is an opinion. Isn't this board for opinions? I do not 
 pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this 
 is irresponsible. I wish them the best of luck and I love the 
 design and marketing of the project. Just some of the business 
 decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is 
involved 
 in right now, are really big.
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: nobepeymay john@
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson 
 nnjallans1@ ... 
  wrote:
  
   I worry about metro
  
  Allan,
  
  I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is 
  irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to 
  back up your statement. 
  
  What specific information do you have that leads to be 
 so worried 
  about Metro? 
  
  John
  
   
   
   - Original Message 
   From: oakdorf oakdorf@ 
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
   Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM
   Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
   
   A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 
  price
   slashed by $106,000. 
   
   (20%)
   
   And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J.,
   got lowered by nearly $100,000.
   
   (less then 1%)
   
   Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR.
   
   We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. 
   
   Sales call at The Esperanza today...
   
   Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read.
   
   Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon 
 Good 
  for 
   the 4th Ave condo convert.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Blue

[nobepeymay]

I wouldn't worry about Metrothe 4 projects they are working on 
are all in NJ.three in Hudson County and one in AP.  These 
markets are still pretty strong especially Hudson County which is a 
bright spot for Toll Brothers.  

Admittedly the condos in AP are selling slow, but the Esperanza is 
already at least 30% under contract and is geared towards second 
home buyers.the prices are also slightly increasing with each 
condo release.

examples:

Cheapest 1 bedroom when they started selling $435,000 NOW $464,000
Cheapest 2 bedroom when the stareted selling $520,000 now $664,000.

John  


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 Toll Bros said that they can't advertise out of the slump.  I 
worry about Metro.  
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:58:00 PM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Blue
 
 I don't know much about this project in particular.. ..it looks 
very 
 nice though. What I can tell you is that I have decided to buy in 
 AP at the Esperanza. 
 
 If you like the community (AP) and plan on holding the property 
for 
 a whileat least until more of the development is 
 completed... I can't see how you can get hurt financially. Of 
 course there are never any guarantees.. many people feel the 
real 
 estate market has not bottomed out yet.
 
 I plan on holding onto my place for a long long time so it is a 
 quality of life decision more than an investment 
 decision although I am confident my place will appreciate 
 significantly in the next 5 years or so as AP redevelopment fully 
 takes shapeAP has so much to offer now and I see it continuing 
 to get better.
 
 John
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, mh67890 mhurel@ wrote:
 
  Wondering what people are hearing about this project. My partner 
 and I 
  are probably going to buy there, understanding that we're among 
 the 
  first and that it's not without risk. Would really love to know 
 what 
  the local scoop is, if any.
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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[AsburyPark] Re: Update BCH

[nobepeymay]

I just checked hotels.com and they are showing availability for 
rooms this coming weekend at BCH for $679.00 per night.strange.



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 I have made a contact with Chetrit and he is expecting my call. I 
will
 get to it in a few days. I am preparing for a trial right now. I will
 verify what I heard from him through a friend that he will break
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[AsburyPark] NY Times Real Estate Article

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/realestate/29roof.html



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Blessing in Disguise

[nobepeymay]

AP is a unique opportunity which has potential beyond just looking 
at the real estate market in general..that is why I have bought 
and and will close on my unit in the Esperanza sometime next summer. 

AP struck me as an interesting opportunity because:

1) Location and beautiful beach 
2) The reputation of Metro Homes and the product that Metro Homes is 
building. 
3) The history and the culture in town as well as the infrastructure 
that is going to be rebuilt.casino, CH, etc. 
4) Last but not least the people.the street by street taking 
back of the town.both by people who have bought homes in town 
and by business owners who have come in and are offering great 
locally owned retail shops / restaurants and nightlife.  
Example.flying saucers just opened up a few weeks ago in the 
shoppes at the Arcade, I beleive James is the ownernice guy!

I can't wait to walk from my condo and frequent the restaurants, 
live music venues (those that are left!), theatre, etc.  No other 
community I am aware of on the Jersey Shore offers all of this and 
is so close to NYC, North Jersey and Phili. 

I have confidence that (MM) / Gary Mottola will handle everything 
properly..I understand that Gary is spending a tremendous amount 
of time in AP and that he will do right by the city. 

I know I am new to AP, my first visit was in early June, but I am so 
optimistic about the future of this city!!  

By the way..for people with influence reading this post, please 
invest in the survelience system.the negative press and crime 
rates are out of hand! Thanks for your persistence on this Hinge!

Also, I am in agreement with the posts I have read from Werner, the 
city is obviously going to change and has already changed, but 
respect its inherent attributes and design as much as possible. 

As Dan finished his e-mail. just needs to be handled properly  
That is really the bottom line.

John

 


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  
  Yes but think about having someone like MM or say Metro or a real
  residential developer in here in 2001 moving as fast as they 
could.
  More would have been built and sold. You assume flippers. The
  question, then, now or in the future, is what percentage? A high
  percentage is what causes the problem. Although 2nd home is next 
 after
  investor units to fall in a declining market. Had the 
improvements
  been made then confidence would have been higher and they could 
 have
  sold into the most robust market in history. All spilled milk in 
 any
  event, and even if it was a blessing in disguise, which I am not 
 ready
  to agree to, it doesn't change the fact that the City signed a 
bad
  deal and was unwilling or unable to enforce its position.
 
 Those are all valid points and also agree on spilled milk.  Trick 
 now is for MM to make Asbury fun and interesting enough that it 
 truly becomes a special situation that can buck the real estate 
 downturn.  Likely it can due to its value versus rest of the Shore 
 and also its unique attributes.  Just needs to be handled properly





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend in AP was great

[nobepeymay]

I was in Asbury on Saturday with my wife and 2 kids.we had a 
great time and felt very safe and comfortable.  The beach was 
busy had a great lunch at the Salt Water Cafe, toured the shops 
on Cookman and then had dinner at Market in the Middle (awesome)!

I can't wait to move into our condo next Spring!

John




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Asbury Park is on the way back!  
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:40:37 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] This weekend in AP was great
 
 I loved our city this weekend. Actually, my weekend started 
Thursday night with a nice dog 
 walk then bike ride. During my dog walk, I came upon a brass band 
concert on the 
 boardwalk, where my dog stole a little bit of the attention away 
from the music. After that, I 
 took a bike ride from the north beach all the way to spring lake 
and back.
 What I just began noticing is how much I like the new lighting in 
the beach area. It's a nice 
 color, sort of like moonlight. I also noticed some people 
picnicing on the grass in the new 
 traffic islands near the Stone Pony, which is something i've never 
noticed before. Good 
 example of build it and they will come
 I really like the new businesses on the boardwalk in the pavillion 
near CH. The whole vibe 
 there was great. I also noticed that the police are being very 
tolerant with the bicyclists, 
 chosing to tell us cyclists not to ride on the boardwalk only when 
there is peak pedestrian 
 traffic. I like that, and it makes sense.
 I did notice some of the things Werner mentioned, but to be honest 
I was so happy to see the 
 area full of life that it really didn't matter to me. People were 
in AP having a good time.
 
 
 
 
 

 
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