RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Odom, Sean/SAC

To route between a WAN yes, to resolve VLANs no. 

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey Humphreys
To: Odom, Sean/SAC; 'Frank Wells'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/12/00 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Switches !!!

Sean,

I'm  confused.  Are you saying that if I have a Catalyst 5500 with a RSP
that I will need an additional router (external to the 5500) to route
between VLANs. If that's what your saying, I would have to disagree.  I
could do some additional research on it, but I want to ensure that is
what
you are saying.

I believe that the RSP is really just a 7500 and we are running a full
blown
IOS on it to boot.  When I do a sho ip ro, I am seeing the local routing
table.

Thanks,
Jeff Humphreys

- Original Message -
From: Odom, Sean/SAC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frank Wells' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Fred
 Switches even with an internal route processor cannot take the place
of a
 router.  The first packet in Multilayer switching is resolved by the
 external router.  The internal route processor learns from the
forwarding
 decision made by the external router and then uses that resolution for
the
 remainder of the flow from the source to the destination without using
the
 external route processor.  Unless the external route router must be
used
as
 a gateway to leave the local boundaries.  To answer your question,  a
 switched network must still use an external router for Layer 3
resolution.
 Switches using Layer 3 modules merely releive the router of precious
 processing power.  Hope this helps.  I have two books on switching
which
can
 be used to answer your questions.  Visit my website
 www.TheQuestForCertification.Com.  -Sean

 Sean Odom, CCNP, MCSE, CNX-EtherII, Author, Instructor
 GlobalNet Training Solutions
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.TheQuestForCertication.Com
http://www.TheQuestForCertication.Com

 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: August 11, 2000 9:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Hey Sean.
 This is regarding the following passage taken from the your previous
reply
 to this thread:

 If C. If the destination and source node reside on ports assigned to
 different VLANs on the switch,  the switch requires an external router
to
 resolve the address and send the packet back to the switch. *** If
the
 switch contains an internal route processor, the external router needs
to
 only resolve the first packet and then the internal route processor
can
 finish the job from there. *** (An external router needs to be used
so
that

 a routing protocol can be used to map the network topology to base
it's
 routes.)

 The second sentence implies that there will always need to be at least
one
 router in any switched network. Is this actually correct?  I seem to
 remember reading that there are fully switched networks utilizing
layer
 three switching as the routing mechanism.  What I am getting at is I
thought

 Route Switch Processors are layer three devices and fully capable of
making
 their own routing decisions, in which case there would be no need for
a
 router.  Can you shed some more light please.

 Thanks a lot.


 From: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: "'Raees Ahmed Shaikh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!
 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:12 -0600
 
 a1. How are MAC addresses used on a switch: The MAC address of the
switch,
 depending on the interface being used, handle this in different ways.
Some
 Catalyst switches assign a global MAC address, some switches use a
pool
of
 addresses assigning one to each interface(You can assign one
manually),
and
 sometimes the MAC address can be a virtual MAC address when using
HSRP on
 mulitiple internal route processors such as the MSM, RSM, RSFC, NFFC,
 NFFCII
 or the MSFC.  The switch is assigned an IP address and default
gateway
 which
 allows you to telnet to the switch.  On most switches you can also
use
the
 your webrowser to access the switches configuration and make changes
simply
 by typing in the switches IP address.
 
 a2. If two nodes on the same switch want to communicate on the same
switch:
 (This question requires a long answer!)
 
 If: A. They are connected to the same port on the switch the switch
does
 nothing since the two nodes are in the same collision domain they
will
see
 each others traffic.
 
 If B. They are in the same VLAN and reside on the same switch, the
switch
 learns the location of each node attached by reading the first frame
 received and logging the source address and port of arrival in it's
Content
 Addressable Memory(CAM) table. When the switch receives another frame
it
 checks the CAM table and if it knows the port the destination node
resides
 on it forwards the frame directly to that port.   If it does not know
the
 port, it broadcasts the frame to 

CCNA LOGO

2000-08-14 Thread Muhammad Faheem

Hi All

Can anybody send me the CCNA logo file.

Thanx

Muhammad Faheem
Systems Engineer
Afcomp
Hello : (9714)-3933878 / 3027338




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Catalyst Upgrade

2000-08-14 Thread Saud Shaikh

Can the Standard Edition on a Cisco Catalyst 1924 be upgraded to Enterprise
Edition for VLAN config  and CLI.  Can anyone describe the upgrade process.

Thanx

Saud







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RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

Is it possible that Cisco's Layer 3 switching has evolved beyond the way
things are done of the 5xxx platform. For example, my reading of the product
description of the Catalyst 4908G-L3 switch provides this info:
-
The Catalyst 4908G-L3 provides a complete IP routing solution without
sacrificing any of the services that are required to build a scalable
network. The Catalyst 4908G-L3 is a feature-rich switch with full Cisco IOS
implementation that allows network managers to continue to administer and
manage their networks as they do today while scaling their backbone
bandwidths to gigabit speeds. The Catalyst 4908G-L3 supports all the routing
protocols that are used today in mid-sized networks. These protocols
include:
* Interior Gateway Routing Protocol (IGRP)
* Enhanced IGRP (EIGRP)
* Open Shortest Path First (OSPF)
* Routing Information Protocol (RIP) Versions 1 and 2
* Static routes
* Route redistribution


Now if this guy is an OSPF router, and therefore contains a full table of
the network topology, why does it have to consult an external router to
forward a packet? Doesn't it have its own forwarding table?

I remain unenlightened, and appreciate clarification.

Chuck


-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Odom, Sean/SAC
Sent:   Sunday, August 13, 2000 10:35 PM
To: 'Jeffrey Humphreys '; ''Frank Wells' '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Subject:RE: Switches !!!

To route between a WAN yes, to resolve VLANs no.

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey Humphreys
To: Odom, Sean/SAC; 'Frank Wells'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/12/00 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Switches !!!

Sean,

I'm  confused.  Are you saying that if I have a Catalyst 5500 with a RSP
that I will need an additional router (external to the 5500) to route
between VLANs. If that's what your saying, I would have to disagree.  I
could do some additional research on it, but I want to ensure that is
what
you are saying.

I believe that the RSP is really just a 7500 and we are running a full
blown
IOS on it to boot.  When I do a sho ip ro, I am seeing the local routing
table.

Thanks,
Jeff Humphreys

- Original Message -
From: Odom, Sean/SAC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frank Wells' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Fred
 Switches even with an internal route processor cannot take the place
of a
 router.  The first packet in Multilayer switching is resolved by the
 external router.  The internal route processor learns from the
forwarding
 decision made by the external router and then uses that resolution for
the
 remainder of the flow from the source to the destination without using
the
 external route processor.  Unless the external route router must be
used
as
 a gateway to leave the local boundaries.  To answer your question,  a
 switched network must still use an external router for Layer 3
resolution.
 Switches using Layer 3 modules merely releive the router of precious
 processing power.  Hope this helps.  I have two books on switching
which
can
 be used to answer your questions.  Visit my website
 www.TheQuestForCertification.Com.  -Sean

 Sean Odom, CCNP, MCSE, CNX-EtherII, Author, Instructor
 GlobalNet Training Solutions
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.TheQuestForCertication.Com
http://www.TheQuestForCertication.Com

 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: August 11, 2000 9:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Hey Sean.
 This is regarding the following passage taken from the your previous
reply
 to this thread:

 If C. If the destination and source node reside on ports assigned to
 different VLANs on the switch,  the switch requires an external router
to
 resolve the address and send the packet back to the switch. *** If
the
 switch contains an internal route processor, the external router needs
to
 only resolve the first packet and then the internal route processor
can
 finish the job from there. *** (An external router needs to be used
so
that

 a routing protocol can be used to map the network topology to base
it's
 routes.)

 The second sentence implies that there will always need to be at least
one
 router in any switched network. Is this actually correct?  I seem to
 remember reading that there are fully switched networks utilizing
layer
 three switching as the routing mechanism.  What I am getting at is I
thought

 Route Switch Processors are layer three devices and fully capable of
making
 their own routing decisions, in which case there would be no need for
a
 router.  Can you shed some more light please.

 Thanks a lot.


 From: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: "'Raees Ahmed Shaikh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!
 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:12 

RE: CCNA LOGO

2000-08-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

You may log in to the Galton site and download from there.

-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Muhammad Faheem
Sent:   Sunday, August 13, 2000 10:53 PM
To: cisco@groupstudy. com (E-mail)
Subject:CCNA LOGO

Hi All

Can anybody send me the CCNA logo file.

Thanx

Muhammad Faheem
Systems Engineer
Afcomp
Hello : (9714)-3933878 / 3027338




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RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Alves Sgt Paulo T

I have to say that I'm a little confused my self!
RSP "Route Switch Processor" is used by the 7500's
RSM "Route Switch Module" can be used by Cat5500 for example.
We have currently 7 5500's with RSM's, and I tell you it is doing all of the
routing for us to include VLANs.  Lot's of then.
What I am trying to say here is that I can Route between VLAN's just fine
with an RSM. I think that someone missed typed RSP with RSM.
Paulo   

-Original Message-
From: Odom, Sean/SAC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:35 PM
To: 'Jeffrey Humphreys '; ''Frank Wells' '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


To route between a WAN yes, to resolve VLANs no. 

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey Humphreys
To: Odom, Sean/SAC; 'Frank Wells'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/12/00 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Switches !!!

Sean,

I'm  confused.  Are you saying that if I have a Catalyst 5500 with a RSP
that I will need an additional router (external to the 5500) to route
between VLANs. If that's what your saying, I would have to disagree.  I
could do some additional research on it, but I want to ensure that is
what
you are saying.

I believe that the RSP is really just a 7500 and we are running a full
blown
IOS on it to boot.  When I do a sho ip ro, I am seeing the local routing
table.

Thanks,
Jeff Humphreys

- Original Message -
From: Odom, Sean/SAC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frank Wells' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Fred
 Switches even with an internal route processor cannot take the place
of a
 router.  The first packet in Multilayer switching is resolved by the
 external router.  The internal route processor learns from the
forwarding
 decision made by the external router and then uses that resolution for
the
 remainder of the flow from the source to the destination without using
the
 external route processor.  Unless the external route router must be
used
as
 a gateway to leave the local boundaries.  To answer your question,  a
 switched network must still use an external router for Layer 3
resolution.
 Switches using Layer 3 modules merely releive the router of precious
 processing power.  Hope this helps.  I have two books on switching
which
can
 be used to answer your questions.  Visit my website
 www.TheQuestForCertification.Com.  -Sean

 Sean Odom, CCNP, MCSE, CNX-EtherII, Author, Instructor
 GlobalNet Training Solutions
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.TheQuestForCertication.Com
http://www.TheQuestForCertication.Com

 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: August 11, 2000 9:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Hey Sean.
 This is regarding the following passage taken from the your previous
reply
 to this thread:

 If C. If the destination and source node reside on ports assigned to
 different VLANs on the switch,  the switch requires an external router
to
 resolve the address and send the packet back to the switch. *** If
the
 switch contains an internal route processor, the external router needs
to
 only resolve the first packet and then the internal route processor
can
 finish the job from there. *** (An external router needs to be used
so
that

 a routing protocol can be used to map the network topology to base
it's
 routes.)

 The second sentence implies that there will always need to be at least
one
 router in any switched network. Is this actually correct?  I seem to
 remember reading that there are fully switched networks utilizing
layer
 three switching as the routing mechanism.  What I am getting at is I
thought

 Route Switch Processors are layer three devices and fully capable of
making
 their own routing decisions, in which case there would be no need for
a
 router.  Can you shed some more light please.

 Thanks a lot.


 From: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: "'Raees Ahmed Shaikh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!
 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:12 -0600
 
 a1. How are MAC addresses used on a switch: The MAC address of the
switch,
 depending on the interface being used, handle this in different ways.
Some
 Catalyst switches assign a global MAC address, some switches use a
pool
of
 addresses assigning one to each interface(You can assign one
manually),
and
 sometimes the MAC address can be a virtual MAC address when using
HSRP on
 mulitiple internal route processors such as the MSM, RSM, RSFC, NFFC,
 NFFCII
 or the MSFC.  The switch is assigned an IP address and default
gateway
 which
 allows you to telnet to the switch.  On most switches you can also
use
the
 your webrowser to access the switches configuration and make changes
simply
 by typing in the switches IP address.
 
 a2. If two nodes on the same switch want to communicate on the same
switch:
 (This question requires a long answer!)
 
 If: A. They are 

RE: EIGRP IGRP

2000-08-14 Thread Emilia Lambros

Isn't that administrative distance?

-Original Message-
From: JEK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EIGRP  IGRP


That's 100 for IGRP not EIGRP.
Eigrp is 90/170 where the 170 is an external learned route.

JEK
"Tapas Das" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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No Subject

2000-08-14 Thread Gavin Payne


Has anyone here bought the CCNA 2.0 Preparation Kit by Cisco?
It comes in a big box, 3 books and costs about 100 UK Pounds (150 dollars).

If so any ratings?   How useful are the Cisco books compared to the rest?
I've got a Sybex CCNA 1.0 book should I "upgrade"?


Gavin

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NTP synchronization

2000-08-14 Thread whatshakin



Is there a command to force time synchronization 
?

Cheers


2nd time...Passed BSCN Review {long}

2000-08-14 Thread Troy C

For what it's worth, posting a second time...
{Posting thru nntp, if that matters?}


  BSCN review


Test  : BSCN 1.0
# of Questions: 61
Score : 850
Passing score : 690
Preperation   : A bunch!

   Exam Prep
  Specifically, I took the BSCN 1.0 class through
  IMS http://www.imsinc.com/ two weeks ago.  Not
  an indorsement, just stating where I went. The
  class started off kind of rough, as the 
  instructor did not show up until 1pm on the 
  first day...travel probs.  Additionally we had 
  a power outage for approximately 4 hours later
  in the week.  Luckily, I did not pay for the 
  class directly...work tuition reimbursement. 
  I took the test this past Thursday. 

  The class covered the meat of the material. I 
  think more importantly, it allowed you to 
  configure the commands on the routers.  And at
  this time, that worked out for me as my lab is
  in a _Public Storage_ facility, until we move
  into the house.

   Self Study
  BGP BGP BGP.  Haven't done the ISP thing {yet!}.
  This was my biggest lacking.  
  
  BTW, thanks go out to the 3 guys who replied 
  to my BGP Sync  Next Hop thread.  I wish it had
  spawned a bit more conversation in the group...
  thought it was a good question...ah well. ;-)

  I gave OSPF about 1800 ticks of my study time, 
  due to experience.  However, check the links 
  section at the bottom for OSPF stuff. All my 
  OSPF books are also in _Pub Storage_
  facility, so I sorta winged it there, with 
  the class being my reinforcement.

  EIGRP reinforcements actually came from the 
  course.  And while I had experience with
  EIGRP, I didn't know things like the HELLO/ 
  Update/ Query/ Reply/  Ack packets.  So if 
  you don't either...search Cisco. ;-)

  VLSM...you are _EXPECTED_ to know it.  Both for
  the test and for the class.  Not a problem for
  me, but if you don't have it down tight, you
  need to.  Both the test  the class EXPECT you
  to know how to summarize {supernetting}.  

   Experience
  First 10 years, I did long haul telecom.  T1
  guru, back when T1 was considered High speed.
  Luckily I saw the writing on the wall, and 
  hi-jacked into the Networking scene 5 years
  ago.  
  During those 5 years, I had to clean up other's
  messes...5 users with a /24...that kind of stuff.
  Discontiguous networks etc...all the while 
  integrating non-Cisco gear into the mix.  So 
  I ended up buying 2 books from Amazon on OSPF, 
  had 10 days to figure it out  implement it.  
  You either beat the learning curve or you 
  don't! ;-)


Well, that's about it.  I got 100% on the IP portion;
I think that was the VLSM/Summarization.  The funny
part was I got an 85% on OSPF, and 88% on BGP.  Well,
it's funny to me, because I feel I should _know_ OSPF
better. ;-)  Still wondering what I missed on OSPF. 

BRCAN will be _my_ hard test.  Half the time I mis-spell
TACACS ;-)

Good luck all...
and keep pressing the packets to the routes ;-)

TroyC

The links: {watch the word wrap}
==

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/bgp-toc.html
 which consists of:
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/13.html
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/14.html
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/15.html
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/16.html
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/17.html

READ ALL THE ABOVE ^^ AT LEAST 5 TIMES
.
..
...then read it again! ;-)

 Extra BGP links:
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/21.html
 thru
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/27.html
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/29.html

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/104/
** http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/104/4.html
http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/design/ospf/on0407.htm


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RE: Catalyst Upgrade

2000-08-14 Thread Gils

Hi,

   As far as I know you can not becouse the hardware is diffarent.

 GIL

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Catalyst Upgrade


Can the Standard Edition on a Cisco Catalyst 1924 be upgraded to Enterprise
Edition for VLAN config  and CLI.  Can anyone describe the upgrade process.

Thanx

Saud







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is it a good company to not tell the reason of fail

2000-08-14 Thread Sam . Ng




 Nine interview with cisco without reason of failure..

Cheers
Sam


From Melodie Elise Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 14 August 2000 1:05:33 AM
To : Sam Ng
Subject : http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/jobs.pl



I hope you had a good weekend Sam.
I am sorry to report that our team is not interested.  I was not told why.

Tip:
There may currently be a good fit for you in another group that I would not
know about,
so you may want to look at Cisco?s web site. Please feel free to apply to
all jobs in other groups
you think you are qualified for at http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/jobs.pl
This will forward your resume to all appropriate recruiters  I think it
will speed up their
consideration of your candidacy.  I think we have 500+ recruiters!

Please feel free to keep my contact information  re-send me your
resume  profile again later in your career!

Good luck in your career hunt.
Best Wishes,
~Elise Kamp
Cisco Systems, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Ph: 703-204-0645
Pager:  1-800-796-7363 Pin 1047574

At 10:54 AM 08/14/2000 +1000, you wrote:



 Hi Elise, have you got any news for me.. ??? Look like i'll be the record
holder with nine interview with none
 success.. : )

Cheers
Sam
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From Melodie Elise Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 8 August 2000 3:12:00 PM
To : Sam Ng
Subject : I may have feed back by your tomorrow evening?



Dear Sam,
I just sent Jeannette an e-mail to Australia asking your status.
It is 11am here in USA-VA, so my guess is I may have feedback by your
tomorrow evening?
I will let you know as soon as I hear back!  Thank you for keeping me in
the loop!
Best Wishes,
~Elise Kamp
Cisco Systems, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Ph: 703-204-0645
Pager:  1-800-796-7363 Pin 1047574

At 11:08 AM 08/08/2000 +1000, you wrote:



 Hi Elise, thank you again for your concern. Yes, Nick told me he passed
my CV
to David Ertel, but i was
 told to interview with another group with cisco ( TAC on Access Product
). i
did the interview on last Friday
 with Manager , Jeanette Patamia and is stil waiting for reply. Thank you
very
much for your follow up.

 Cheers
 Sam

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From Melodie Elise Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 7 August 2000 2:26:59 PM
To : Sam Ng
Subject : How's it going?



Hi Sammy!
I tried, but could not get any more info. than that your CV was being
passed to
David Ertel's team for consideration.

Have you had a chance to interview with David Ertel's team yet?
If so, how's it going?

Please feel free to let me know if you are told to expect a call on a
day/at a specific time
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Re: EIGRP IGRP

2000-08-14 Thread Nigel Taylor

Emilia,
Simply to clarify things a bit.   No, the 170 is the eigrp
metric.. that is calculated using five values(bandwidth, delay, reliability,
loading, and MTU) this is a 32-bit number used to calculate the metric for a
route which is how eigrp knows which path is the best route and it also give
you the flexibility to manually adjust the metric to make routing decisions.
The 90 is the administrative distance for the EIGRP.

HTH

Nigel..


- Original Message -
From: Emilia Lambros [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'JEK' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: EIGRP  IGRP


 Isn't that administrative distance?

 -Original Message-
 From: JEK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:20 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: EIGRP  IGRP


 That's 100 for IGRP not EIGRP.
 Eigrp is 90/170 where the 170 is an external learned route.

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RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Albert Ip

Frank,

I had the same problem as you did with the concept before.  I believe that
Sean and Chris are both talking about the same thing.  RSM module is
essentiality a router that is design to route between VLANs instead of
networks.  

Remember, there are many kinds of switches.  (Ethernet, Token Ring, ATM)
Main purpose of VLANs is to limit broadcast (that's what most of us use it
for but there are other uses like security).  

From a design point of view and to keep it simple.  At the access layer,
each switch will have one VLAN.  At the distribute layer you would have
switches with RSP in it. It will function as the security, switching/routing
between the VLANs.  At the core layer, you can have only switches.  All
broadcast had been stop or change to unicast at the distribute layer.  In a
WAN situation, those switches could be ATM.

If you have no broadcast in your network at all, you can do without the RSP
and the VLANs.  I am not sure how such a network would work but Howard or
Priscilla can probability tell you.

I hope this helps.  A really good book to read about switching is CCIE
Professional Development: Cisco LAN Switching.

Albert

-Original Message-
From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


What Sean implied here is you will always need a router to route between 
VLAN's. I thought you could use a router (router on a stick)OR
a RSP. He claims that the initial route needs to be found by a router and 
then the RSP can take over.  I still have a problem with this concept 
because I have read about networks consisting entirely of switches from 
access layer up to the core layers, and switched across WAN's too!!!



From: Chris Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frank Wells' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Switches !!!
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:04:36 -0400

You will always need to have a router or a route processor to router 
between
VLANS. At least with current technology. Layer 3 switching is really just
being able to processes a route and then forward at switch or wire speeds.
It still needs to process a route, and is routing between lan segments.


In the second part I believe Sean is speaking about Netflow switching where
the router determines how to route a source/destinatioon once, and once the
switch learns how that packet was routed through the switch, the next time
it recieves a similiar source/destination that normaly would require route
processing it will just switch the packet to the appropriate port based on
what it learned the last time without asking the router to process a route.



-Original Message-
From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


Hey Sean.
This is regarding the following passage taken from the your previous reply
to this thread:

If C. If the destination and source node reside on ports assigned to
different VLANs on the switch,  the switch requires an external router to
resolve the address and send the packet back to the switch. *** If the
switch contains an internal route processor, the external router needs to
only resolve the first packet and then the internal route processor can
finish the job from there. *** (An external router needs to be used so 
that

a routing protocol can be used to map the network topology to base it's
routes.)

The second sentence implies that there will always need to be at least one
router in any switched network. Is this actually correct?  I seem to
remember reading that there are fully switched networks utilizing layer
three switching as the routing mechanism.  What I am getting at is I 
thought

Route Switch Processors are layer three devices and fully capable of making
their own routing decisions, in which case there would be no need for a
router.  Can you shed some more light please.

Thanks a lot.


 From: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: "'Raees Ahmed Shaikh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!
 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:12 -0600
 
 a1. How are MAC addresses used on a switch: The MAC address of the 
switch,
 depending on the interface being used, handle this in different ways.  
Some
 Catalyst switches assign a global MAC address, some switches use a pool 
of
 addresses assigning one to each interface(You can assign one manually), 
and
 sometimes the MAC address can be a virtual MAC address when using HSRP on
 mulitiple internal route processors such as the MSM, RSM, RSFC, NFFC,
 NFFCII
 or the MSFC.  The switch is assigned an IP address and default gateway
 which
 allows you to telnet to the switch.  On most switches you can also use 
the
 your webrowser to access the switches configuration and make changes 
simply
 by typing in the switches IP address.
 
 a2. If two nodes on the same switch want to communicate 

RE: EIGRP IGRP

2000-08-14 Thread Jean-Michel Roberts

Those are the administrative distances...

The max hop-count for IGRP is 255. 

EIGRP is a hybrid which also uses hop-counts as one of it's metrics and I
think it might also have a max of 255. Correct me on this one if I'm wrong
though.

Original Message-
From: Emilia Lambros [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 August 2000 08:53
To: 'JEK'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: EIGRP  IGRP


Isn't that administrative distance?

-Original Message-
From: JEK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EIGRP  IGRP


That's 100 for IGRP not EIGRP.
Eigrp is 90/170 where the 170 is an external learned route.

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Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Raees Ahmed Shaikh
Title: Switches !!!






Dear All,


Thanks for your discussions on this often ignored topic, but still I could not understand the communication logic. May be have to dig more into switching in the physical layer.


If all the ports of the switches have mac addresses than 


q.1 If somebody telnets to swithes the actual physical communication occurs through which mac address.
q.2 If two pcs are connected to the same swithc, and they want to communicate the real communication should go like this ( pc mac- switch port mac - destination switch port mac - destination pc).

Totally confused arp arp arp.


Please Help.



Shaikh Raees Ahmed,
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer,
Systems  Network,
IT Division.





Delay !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Raees Ahmed Shaikh
Title: Delay !!!






Can somebody explain me what is delay ?? I mean the round-trip time of the packet, Is it different from media to media or it is not media-specific, secondly can I know out the links VSAT/DDN which is having a more delay over the other.

We have a VSAT link 64 kbps to one of our site and a 64kbps DDN to another site the response of the DDN is much better than the VSAT. 

Normal pinging to the site connected through DDN is 40-50 miliseconds with one hop.
Normal pinging to the site connected through VSAT is 500-600 milliseconds with one hop.


Path Delay value=Link delay + Repeater Delay + DTE Delay + 5, If PDV512 the communication path is ok.
Link Delay=2 X Segment Length X Cable Delay in BT/m


Is the same formula applicable for WAN links, VSAT etc or it is just for ethernet networks.


Pls. explain.


Thanks in advance.


Shaikh Raees Ahmed,
Cisco Certified Network Associate,
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer,
Systems  Network,
IT Division.





RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Alves Sgt Paulo T
Title: Switches !!!



A.1 If you 
want to telnet into the switch you should give the switch an IP address. 
This IP address should be applied to VLAN 1. "Administrative 
Interface"
A2 The NIC on 
the PC will broadcast their MAC address to the switch. You're getting the 
correct picture. However, if for some reason you are not being able to 
communicate between both PC's you need to check the port assignments on the 
switch. All ports should be assigned to VLAN 1 by default. If the 
ports are not asigned to the same VLAN they are going to be on seperate 
broadcast domains. This means that in that case you'll need a router to do 
the job.
I try to be as 
simple as possible.
Paulo
If you're still 
confused don't quit.
I've been confused 
since the day I've started in this business.

Paulo

  -Original Message-From: Raees Ahmed Shaikh 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 5:23 
  PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Switches 
  !!!
  Dear All, 
  Thanks for your discussions on this often ignored 
  topic, but still I could not understand the communication logic. May be 
  have to dig more into switching in the physical layer.
  If all the ports of the switches have mac 
  addresses than 
  q.1 If somebody telnets to swithes the actual 
  physical communication occurs through which mac address. q.2 If two pcs are connected to the same swithc, and 
  they want to communicate the real communication should go like this ( pc 
  mac- switch port mac - destination switch port mac - destination 
  pc).
  Totally confused arp arp arp. 
  Please Help. 
  Shaikh Raees 
  Ahmed, Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Systems  Network, IT Division. 



Re: NTP synchronization

2000-08-14 Thread bellis

Set Clock...lol
-B
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Is there a command to force time synchronization ?

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CCIE rumors

2000-08-14 Thread Peter Diffin


I've heard many different rumors regarding the CCIE certification and
the benefits and business opportunities associated with it. Beyond the
obvious increase in billable rate, there are numerous rumors I've heard
over the years.
I appreciate any insight into the below mentioned rumors:
1) VARs who have a CCIE or CCIEs on staff can get reduced pricing on
hardware (Silver or Gold Partners).   Therefore, VARs will give CCIEs
percentages of sales because the VAR still can quote the lower price to
the customer.
2) Cisco will give direct referals from customers to independent CCIEs.
3) Along the lines of rumor 2.  Someone told me that Cisco will
guarantee $xxx,xxx.xx worth of referals to independent CCIEs.

Thanks again for your input.  Also any other CCIE myths / facts would be
appreciated.

Peter Diffin, CBI
CCNP, MCNE, MCSE, NNCSS, CCIE written
lab by end of 2000 (hopefully)



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Compressing IOS Images with MZMAKER.EXE

2000-08-14 Thread Bob Karen Timmons



Group,

A while back I read about a utility that would 
compress an IOS image, but still allow you to use it. I found that I had 
archived a copy on a CD, so I tried it out. It compressed a 14MB image 
down to 4.5MB. I TFTP'd the compressed image to my 2524 and it 
rebooted. Upon reboot, however, it wouldn't boot from the 
image.
I don't recall what the error message was 
(something along the lines of bad CRC), so I removed that image and replaced it 
with an uncompressed IOS. Has anyone else used this or a similar 
program? I'm including a link to the file. I'm told it's 
freeware. The link is only up for a week or so, but it's on my public 
share (rtimmons) at xdrive.com, and I'll leave it there indefinitely. I 
don't have any documentation for this product.

http://www.xdrive.com/cgi-bin/GetASharedFileDownload?claim_ticket=966102705789qln2CFnBEYRRaxaSwJnvreferee=48549

FYI - This should not be used in a production 
environment. This is for lab use only. I can't assume any 
responsibility for it's use or misuse.

Thanks,Bob


Access List Question

2000-08-14 Thread Rose Olsen

Can someone explain to me how to interrupt the subnet mask for this access
list.

permit udp host 194.72.72.33 194.72.6.160 0.0.0.15

Thank you.
Rose


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Re: Compressing IOS Images with MZMAKER.EXE

2000-08-14 Thread Jason A. Diegmueller

 A while back I read about a utility that would compress an IOS image,
 but still allow you to use it.  I found that I had archived a copy on a
 CD, so I tried it out.  It compressed a 14MB image down to 4.5MB.  I
 TFTP'd the compressed image to my 2524 and it rebooted.  Upon reboot,
 however, it wouldn't boot from the image.

 I don't recall what the error message was (something along the lines of 
 bad CRC), so I removed that image and replaced it with an uncompressed
 IOS.  Has anyone else used this or a similar program?  I'm including a
 link to the file.  I'm told it's freeware.  The link is only up for a 
 week or so, but it's on my public share (rtimmons) at xdrive.com, and
 I'll leave it there indefinitely.  I don't have any documentation for
 this product.

Yes.

Even Cisco's "run from flash" hardware (2500, old 1600, etc) 
will boot a compressed image in to RAM.  This is an "undocumented
feature".  MZMAKER.EXE uses the same algorithm as the unix-based
"compress" tool.  I've used this (compress, not MZMAKER) on 
numerous IOS images, and never had anything but success.

Usually, though, if I'm looking to skimp on flash for lab 
purposes I'd just end up using a tftp server.

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Dsl Backup Line

2000-08-14 Thread Advan306

Is it possible to use 2 DSL lines ,one for Primary line and the other for a
backup line in a VPN.
Lets assume that all encryption and Firewalls are in place.
Just wanted to know if I have a Cisco router with 2 e0 ports that if my
Primary goes down, can the Cisco router be config so that the second DSL
will kick in on the same router. Is this possible? What would be the router
config. on this? Any links out there that supports this theory?
Thank you all
Rdeon



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RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Jared Carter

Think of the RSM as a router that just happens to be inside a big switch.
It can run routing protocols (OSPF, EIGRP) just like an external router can,
which means it can make routing decisions without the aid of an external
router.  This also means it can make the initial routing decision for MLS
and from then on the switch can start forwarding packets.

/Jared

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey Humphreys
To: Odom, Sean/SAC; 'Frank Wells'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/12/00 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Switches !!!

Sean,

I'm  confused.  Are you saying that if I have a Catalyst 5500 with a RSP
that I will need an additional router (external to the 5500) to route
between VLANs. If that's what your saying, I would have to disagree.  I
could do some additional research on it, but I want to ensure that is
what
you are saying.

I believe that the RSP is really just a 7500 and we are running a full
blown
IOS on it to boot.  When I do a sho ip ro, I am seeing the local routing
table.

Thanks,
Jeff Humphreys

- Original Message -
From: Odom, Sean/SAC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Frank Wells' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Fred
 Switches even with an internal route processor cannot take the place
of a
 router.  The first packet in Multilayer switching is resolved by the
 external router.  The internal route processor learns from the
forwarding
 decision made by the external router and then uses that resolution for
the
 remainder of the flow from the source to the destination without using
the
 external route processor.  Unless the external route router must be
used
as
 a gateway to leave the local boundaries.  To answer your question,  a
 switched network must still use an external router for Layer 3
resolution.
 Switches using Layer 3 modules merely releive the router of precious
 processing power.  Hope this helps.  I have two books on switching
which
can
 be used to answer your questions.  Visit my website
 www.TheQuestForCertification.Com.  -Sean

 Sean Odom, CCNP, MCSE, CNX-EtherII, Author, Instructor
 GlobalNet Training Solutions
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.TheQuestForCertication.Com
http://www.TheQuestForCertication.Com

 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: August 11, 2000 9:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!


 Hey Sean.
 This is regarding the following passage taken from the your previous
reply
 to this thread:

 If C. If the destination and source node reside on ports assigned to
 different VLANs on the switch,  the switch requires an external router
to
 resolve the address and send the packet back to the switch. *** If
the
 switch contains an internal route processor, the external router needs
to
 only resolve the first packet and then the internal route processor
can
 finish the job from there. *** (An external router needs to be used
so
that

 a routing protocol can be used to map the network topology to base
it's
 routes.)

 The second sentence implies that there will always need to be at least
one
 router in any switched network. Is this actually correct?  I seem to
 remember reading that there are fully switched networks utilizing
layer
 three switching as the routing mechanism.  What I am getting at is I
thought

 Route Switch Processors are layer three devices and fully capable of
making
 their own routing decisions, in which case there would be no need for
a
 router.  Can you shed some more light please.

 Thanks a lot.


 From: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: "'Raees Ahmed Shaikh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Switches !!!
 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:12 -0600
 
 a1. How are MAC addresses used on a switch: The MAC address of the
switch,
 depending on the interface being used, handle this in different ways.
Some
 Catalyst switches assign a global MAC address, some switches use a
pool
of
 addresses assigning one to each interface(You can assign one
manually),
and
 sometimes the MAC address can be a virtual MAC address when using
HSRP on
 mulitiple internal route processors such as the MSM, RSM, RSFC, NFFC,
 NFFCII
 or the MSFC.  The switch is assigned an IP address and default
gateway
 which
 allows you to telnet to the switch.  On most switches you can also
use
the
 your webrowser to access the switches configuration and make changes
simply
 by typing in the switches IP address.
 
 a2. If two nodes on the same switch want to communicate on the same
switch:
 (This question requires a long answer!)
 
 If: A. They are connected to the same port on the switch the switch
does
 nothing since the two nodes are in the same collision domain they
will
see
 each others traffic.
 
 If B. They are in the same VLAN and reside on the same switch, the
switch
 learns the location of each node attached by reading the first frame
 received and logging the 

FRS 2.0

2000-08-14 Thread Ajaz Nawaz

How comes we don't get many posts relating to this subject ?

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Re: Cisco 1600 boots into RMON

2000-08-14 Thread Ajaz Nawaz

config-reg 0x2102 - If you havn-t already got it sorted

Ajaz

Hans Stout wrote:

 Hi colleagues,

 I have a problem when I boot a 1601: the OK LED is blinking, I then connect
 to it through the console port and see that it is stuck with the RMON
 prompt. When I enter the reset command, it boots up ok. After about 1 hour,
 the router reboots again and gets stuck with the RMON prompt again. Could
 this be related to a hardware failure ?
 Thanks for your help in advance.

 Georg Pauwen
 
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blocking napster

2000-08-14 Thread Dave Santeramo

Any suggestions on how to block users of Napster?  Since it uses a random
port number I am not sure how to do this.  

thanks




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BCRAN and Caslow book!

2000-08-14 Thread Daniel Boutet


(config-line)# modem bad

 . Is this one of those undocumented command? I look at cisco' site  and
could not find the command.
It is supposed to remove from service an integrated bad modem on an access
server.

I also would like to say that the Andrew Bruce Caslow: Bridges,Routers and
switches for CCIEs isbn 0-13-082537-9 is a must for any exam preparation.
This book rocks  Very well presented, flow is excellent,
comprehension level doesn't need to be high ( I'm a greenie), good overall
reference book. If there is other books like this one out there I would buy
it for sure.








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Re: Generic Advice for CCNP

2000-08-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Read part of Caslow's book and I am really enjoying it. I am now preparing
for the BCRAN and found the book a must for
nay of the Cisco's exam. Well organized book and easy to understand. Worth
every penny and more!

""nnrp-corp.news.cais.net"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
8n8ulh$5dd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8n8ulh$5dd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 I've finished my CCNP and have moved on to CCIE written
 studies. Thanks to the recommendations of this newsgroup,
 I bought the Andrew Caslow book, Cisco Certification. In
 reading the first 4 chapters, it occured to me that it would be
 of great benefit to those pursuing the CCNP. For example,
 Caslow's explanation of Frame relay and ISDN are lucid
 almost beyond compare. I used to think Chappell was the
 greatest Cisco author but now I think its Caslow!!!  I wish
 I had read Caslow prior to the BCRAN, ACRC and Support.
 So, my advice--purchase this book--read it topically as it
 applies to the test you are currently studying for. You might
 want to read the first few chapters just for the hell of it...its
 a great intro to cisco routers/switches, interfaces, etc...

 So, are there any other Caslow lovers out there? Has anyone
 taken a course from him? Is there anyone familiar with
 Caslow who thinks there is someone better when it comes
 to writing about Cisco technology??? I would like to take
 a class with the guy prior to the CCIE lab.

 Cheers,
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Re: Any difference between secondary address and subinterface for a port?

2000-08-14 Thread Briggs

um...I think cisco stated that secondary addresses will not be supported in
some future IOS releases, so.. that's a decent reason not to use them.


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Re: blocking napster

2000-08-14 Thread Marco Rodrigues

I just went on blocked a /24 and a few IPs I was given from a
friend. Employee's have been complaining.. but what can ya do :)


#Napster Logon Servers
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.184.216.0/24 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.178.167.0/24 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.178.163.61 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.184.175.130 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.184.175.131 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.184.175.132 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.184.175.133 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.184.175.134 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.49.239.242 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.49.239.247 -j DENY -l
/sbin/ipchains -A input -s 192.168.2.0/23 -d 208.49.239.248 -j DENY -l

Sorry for the ipchains format, but i'm too lazy to edit it. (yes even
using VI). 

Hope that helps..


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re: FRS 2.0

2000-08-14 Thread Kevin Wigle

 How comes we don't get many posts relating to this subject ?

mostly because FNDN - exam 640-509 is not a "live" exam yet.

There was a beta I believe but Cisco hasn't released the new version yet.

Kevin Wigle



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Re: Any difference between secondary address and subinterface fora port?

2000-08-14 Thread Marco Rodrigues

Well from my understanding a subinterface would be better from an  
 
administrative point of view. I.E. Say you want to run two IPX networks on 
 
the same physical interface using the secondary command. If you where to   
 
change the encapulation on the phsyical interface you would affect all IPX 
 
networks. Now if you where to have a subinterface this can be avoided. The 
 
IOS sees these subinterfaces and different logical interfces on the same   
 
physical interface. To round it up, you can perform differnt functions on  
 
a subinterface. IF you where to use the secondary, anything you change to  
 
affect the interface would affect that secondary addres bound to it.   
 
   
 
Group correct me if i'm wrong, or sorta right. I'm kinda new at this :)
 
 

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OSPF Question in Jeff Doyle book.

2000-08-14 Thread Sha rad

hi guys

I have a question about OSPF ..in particular a line from the Jeff Doyle
Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 book..

On Page 417, 2nd paragraph it says that Point to Point networks are a
special config of NBMA networks, the OSPF packets are multicast...

However on page 433, 2nd para "On NBMA, point-to-multipoint" Hellos are
unicast to individual neighbours..
Which is correct?
Could someone care to explain how the packets are sent.

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Re: Any difference between power cycle the router and reload it?

2000-08-14 Thread John Hardman

Hi

Think of it like a PC, sometimes you can clear up those nasty Windoze
problems with a soft reboot, sometimes you have to power all the way down to
get a operational system again. It's the same with a router.

Times when a reload is used...

1) Changing IOS
2) Removing sub-interfaces

Times when a power cycle is used...

1) When a module will not reset any other way, i.e. a hung WIC-1DSU-1T
2) Residual ACLs, i.e. when a ACL will not clear from memory after many ACL
list changes.

HTH
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ArrisTech/CCS-IS SysAdmin


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Re: where is routing table located in the router?

2000-08-14 Thread Roger Dellaca

RAM is correct, because the routing table needs to be rebuilt if the router is powered 
of  on (from connected interfaces, static routes,  learned routes from whatever 
routing protocol(s)you're running).

 "Frank Jordan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/14/00 07:06AM 
An article said the routing table is located in RAM.
I got a little puzzled ,cause if the router is powered off by accident,
will the table get lost totally?
If the router is a backbone one,the table should be very big ,so after
the power cycle ,the router has to attain all the routes once again,it's
time consuming.
Does  the router put some static routes in NVRAM or flash ,or all the
routes stay in ram ?

Thanks.

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Re: Fill in the Gaps, Please

2000-08-14 Thread John Hardman

Hi

3900 TR switch, why? Because it is on the lab. Good luck finding one...

25xx TR routers.

Cat 5K with ATM LANE and ISL,1.q, why? Because it is on the lab. The price
is high, you might want to look at a virtual rack.

Another 2600 or 3600 router with ATM and VoX, why? Because it is on the lab.
Again there is a high price for these and might want to consider a virtual
rack.

A 4500 or 7000 to act as frame switch. Why, you will be dealing with FR on
the lab, plus there will be at least one 4x00 router in the lab.

LS 1010, 100, or 2020, so that you can have ATM to connect to your other ATM
equipment. Again high priced...

There is a CCIE lab equipment list on the CCO CCIE site.

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 I have recently inherited a small lab and would like to know how I should
fill
 in the gaps to best prepare for CCNP  CCIE. Equipment is as follows:

 2 2501s with 16mb dram and 8mb flash running 11.3 enterprise
 1 2503 with 16mb dram and 8mb flash running 11.3 enterprise
 1 2621 with 32mb dram and 16mb flash running 11.3 IP Plus, has T1 WIC and
ISDN
 WIC installed and has 56k WIC in box
 1 Cat 2924M-XL switch
 1 FastHub 400M

 I have one ISDN line installed at home and am considering a second to
allow for
 real DDR work, etc. and I don't have any thing with a tokenring interface.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 I have looked in the archives and I see a list of suggested equipment, but
I am
 looking for equipment choices and some explanation for your choice. Your
help is
 greatly appreciated.


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difference between balanced and unbalanced

2000-08-14 Thread truename

hello,


  I found on Cisco web pages, there are two kinds of E1 network module, one is 
NM-1CE1B=(1-port Channelized E1/ISDN-PRI balanced network module, one is 
NM-1CE1U=(1-port channelized E1/ISDN-PRI unbalanced network module),

  Can you let me know what's the difference between balanced one and unbalanced one? 
which one I should order?

thanks,
cai, land


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Re: blocking napster

2000-08-14 Thread Jim Erickson

Block the ip address(es) of the Napster server(s) via an ACL.

---JRE---


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Re: EIGRP IGRP

2000-08-14 Thread Roger Dellaca

170 is the administrative distance; the metric will be based on the metric components 
(as you describe below) that are used with the redistributed routes.  EIGRP is the 
exception for interior routing protocols that has a different administrative distance 
for exterior (read: redistributed into this protocol) routes, so that routes 
redistributed into EIGR will be less "believable" than routes directly learned from 
another interior protocol.  Nice feature if use is understood.  

(And for more fun, remember that an EIGRP summary route has yet another administrative 
distance, 5, to make it more likely to be used.  Don't forget that the longest match 
rule takes precedence though over administrative distance - longest match first, then 
administrative distance then metric.)

 "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/13/00 08:03PM 
Emilia,
Simply to clarify things a bit.   No, the 170 is the eigrp
metric.. that is calculated using five values(bandwidth, delay, reliability,
loading, and MTU) this is a 32-bit number used to calculate the metric for a
route which is how eigrp knows which path is the best route and it also give
you the flexibility to manually adjust the metric to make routing decisions.
The 90 is the administrative distance for the EIGRP.

HTH

Nigel..


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Subject: RE: EIGRP  IGRP


 Isn't that administrative distance?

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 That's 100 for IGRP not EIGRP.
 Eigrp is 90/170 where the 170 is an external learned route.

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thanks to the group

2000-08-14 Thread Roger Dellaca

I owe the group a thank you, for I passed the CCIE written - 70% required, achieved 
89%.  Besides this list (which I have mostly just been lurking in, but starting to 
contribute), I used:

prior materials I had for CCNP - Sybex ACRC, CIT  CLSC books, Cisco Press BCRAN book

Cisco website - Internetwork Technologies Overview, Internetwork Design Guide, lots of 
other stuff

Doyle Routing TCP/IP (did the questions, but not the config  troubleshooting exercies 
- I will use those now to study for lab)

Halabi Internet Routing Architectures

Caslow Bridges Switches  Routers for CCIE (also light on the configs, which I will 
revisit for the lab)

Certificationzone.com (all the white papers  practice questions, I will start with 
the labs now)

An ATM book I can't remember

I admit using the questions in the All in one study Guide by Giles, because of the 
sheer number of questions in the book, but I checked other sources for a lot of the 
answers.

some Cisco equipment at work

The advice from the CCIE power session at Networkers in Las Vegas.

(Is my time up yet? I feel like I'm at the Oscars)

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Re: where is routing table located in the router?

2000-08-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

An article said the routing table is located in RAM.

Correct.

I got a little puzzled ,cause if the router is powered off by accident,
will the table get lost totally?

Yes, with the caveat that static routes are an _input_ to the routing table.

If the router is a backbone one,the table should be very big ,so after
the power cycle ,the router has to attain all the routes once again,it's
time consuming.

Yes.  In a default-free Internet router with a full routing table, 
you'll see times of several minutes based on the number of views and 
the complexity of filters.  On the other hand, a serious Internet 
backbone provider will have more than one router.

In an enterprise environment without extensive Internet routing, the 
initial convergence time may still be noticeable, but could be in the 
tens of seconds or low minutes.

Does  the router put some static routes in NVRAM or flash ,


Yes. NVRAM.

or all the
routes stay in ram ?

If you know the routes are stable, then you certainly can use static 
routes.  If you aren't sure about them, however, how do you know the 
routes you've kept are still valid?


Thanks.

frank

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Re: is it a good company to not tell the reason of fail

2000-08-14 Thread kaushik khakhar


Hello Sam,

what happened is not Ok. Ofcourse, you deserved more input for the reason on 
of failure. But I remember an input from our president in previous company 
"Dont run after money/job/mnc's - instead let them run after you."

I appreciate your confidence to go for Cisco, better luck next time. Good 
luck. I wish next time Cisco approaches you with excellent job offer.

Regards,

Kaushik Khakhar

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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:06:23 +1000




  Nine interview with cisco without reason of failure..

Cheers
Sam


From Melodie Elise Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 14 August 2000 1:05:33 AM
To : Sam Ng
Subject : http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/jobs.pl



I hope you had a good weekend Sam.
I am sorry to report that our team is not interested.  I was not told why.

Tip:
There may currently be a good fit for you in another group that I would not
know about,
so you may want to look at Cisco?s web site. Please feel free to apply to
all jobs in other groups
you think you are qualified for at http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/jobs.pl
This will forward your resume to all appropriate recruiters  I think it
will speed up their
consideration of your candidacy.  I think we have 500+ recruiters!

Please feel free to keep my contact information  re-send me your
resume  profile again later in your career!

Good luck in your career hunt.
Best Wishes,
~Elise Kamp
Cisco Systems, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Ph: 703-204-0645
Pager:  1-800-796-7363 Pin 1047574

At 10:54 AM 08/14/2000 +1000, you wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi Elise, have you got any news for me.. ??? Look like i'll be the 
record
 holder with nine interview with none
  success.. : )
 
 Cheers
 Sam
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 From Melodie Elise Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 8 August 2000 3:12:00 PM
 To : Sam Ng
 Subject : I may have feed back by your tomorrow evening?
 
 
 
 Dear Sam,
 I just sent Jeannette an e-mail to Australia asking your status.
 It is 11am here in USA-VA, so my guess is I may have feedback by your
 tomorrow evening?
 I will let you know as soon as I hear back!  Thank you for keeping me in
 the loop!
 Best Wishes,
 ~Elise Kamp
 Cisco Systems, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Ph: 703-204-0645
 Pager:  1-800-796-7363 Pin 1047574
 
 At 11:08 AM 08/08/2000 +1000, you wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi Elise, thank you again for your concern. Yes, Nick told me he passed
 my CV
 to David Ertel, but i was
  told to interview with another group with cisco ( TAC on Access Product
). i
 did the interview on last Friday
  with Manager , Jeanette Patamia and is stil waiting for reply. Thank 
you
 very
 much for your follow up.
 
  Cheers
  Sam
 
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 From Melodie Elise Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 7 August 2000 2:26:59 PM
 To : Sam Ng
 Subject : How's it going?
 
 
 
 Hi Sammy!
 I tried, but could not get any more info. than that your CV was being
 passed to
 David Ertel's team for consideration.
 
 Have you had a chance to interview with David Ertel's team yet?
 If so, how's it going?
 
 Please feel free to let me know if you are told to expect a call on a
 day/at a specific time
  you do not receive the call  whom was supposed to call.  *If you have
 written down
 the name of the prospective Interviewer  can let me know who was going 
to
 call, I will
 be happy to follow up for you.
 
 Please feel free to ask me if you have any more questions or to say "Hi" 

 let me know
 how it is going!  Good luck!
 
 Best Wishes,
 ~Elise Kamp
 Cisco Systems, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Ph: 703-204-0645
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Re: Samples of Expect

2000-08-14 Thread Kent


Hi,

I was told I should be able to download some expect
scripts from ftp.cisco.com, but no luck in finding
where they are, any body has ever downloaded them
before?

Thanks a lot.

Kent

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Re: BCRAN and Caslow book!

2000-08-14 Thread Adam Quiggle

Daniel,

Yes that is a valid command.  It is used to specify a modem
as inoperable so that your router doesn't use it anymore.  Very
useful when you have a MICA modem card that has six modems on
the card and only one goes bad.  :-)

HTH,
AQ


At 10:26 AM 8/14/2000, Daniel Boutet wrote:

 (config-line)# modem bad

  . Is this one of those undocumented command? I look at cisco' site  and
could not find the command.
It is supposed to remove from service an integrated bad modem on an access
server.

I also would like to say that the Andrew Bruce Caslow: Bridges,Routers and
switches for CCIEs isbn 0-13-082537-9 is a must for any exam preparation.
This book rocks  Very well presented, flow is excellent,
comprehension level doesn't need to be high ( I'm a greenie), good overall
reference book. If there is other books like this one out there I would buy
it for sure.








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CCIE Written

2000-08-14 Thread shannon . severijn



Just wanted to know if anyone has taken the CCIE written recently.  Just wanted
to maybe get the specifics on what I really need to study.  I recently finished
my CCNP and CCDP.  I figure heck I have spent the time to get this far I might
as well take the CCIE written test and then see where I stand.  Can any of you
guys maybe steer me in the right direction on what I need to study.  Besides the
usual BGP, OSPF, EIGRP stuff.  Any responses are much appreciated!!!Thank
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OT: Employment decisions...

2000-08-14 Thread Ed Williams

First off:  Long time listener, first time caller :o)  Thanks for all the
thought provoking discussions!

A little bit of background.  I have been in the computer industry, in
various capacities, for 10 years.  Specifically I have been in IT Management
for the last 4 of those 10 years.  The first 6 spent doing everything from
hardware support, desktop and server support, network support, consulting,
and programming.  I have a wide range of experience, however I am currently
looking to specialize in the internetworking side of things.  I am getting
ready to take my CCNA 2.0 and then go on and pursue the CCNP.  I have fairly
limited hands on experience in routing and switching in the past (mainly
small shops), and currently in IT Management I do not get as much as I would
like.

My question for the list:  Should I go ahead and start looking to get out of
IT Management and into a more hands on routing/switching job as I pursue
higher Cisco certifications?  Given my limited hands on experience in
hardcore routing/switching, can I expect a fairly significant pay decrease
when switching specializations?  I guess part of me thinks that it would be
beneficial to go ahead and get into the field I want to end up in - the more
experience the better.  The other part thinks that sticking with the good
money now will make it easier to fund my home Cisco lab :o)

Thanks guys,
Ed Williams


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Catalyst Price $893.00

2000-08-14 Thread Andy Barkl

$893.00
Would this be a fair price for a new Catalyst 1912 12-Port 10BT 2-100BaseTX 
Ports,ISL,CGMP

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Re: where is routing table located in the router?

2000-08-14 Thread William Swedberg

The routing tables are held in RAM.  The time to build
a table is not very long, were talking miniscule.  If
the table is large, say it contains BGP routes, it
could take a a few seconds. It rely depends on the
processor in the router and the routing protocol. 
Route tables are supposed to be dynamic in nature.  As
to the power cycle, it takes longer for the router to
come up than to learn the routes it needs to
communicate.


William Swedberg CCNP CCDP

 
--- Frank Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 An article said the routing table is located in RAM.
 I got a little puzzled ,cause if the router is
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 will the table get lost totally?
 If the router is a backbone one,the table should be
 very big ,so after
 the power cycle ,the router has to attain all the
 routes once again,it's
 time consuming.
 Does  the router put some static routes in NVRAM or
 flash ,or all the
 routes stay in ram ?
 
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are they any ccie hopefuls in london?

2000-08-14 Thread Tayo Dada

i am currently pursuing my ccnp, and would like to know if they are
other like me at there in and around london, UK.

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RE: Dsl Backup Line

2000-08-14 Thread Rampley, Jim


I'm guessing since you are using the Ethernet ports on the router you must
have external DSL routers.  Are both DSL lines going to be up all the time?
If they are then you should be able to configure your VPN tunnels and the
tunnels would be active all the time.  Then you could use floating static
routes out the backup interface.  When the primary DSL line fails the backup
would take over.

Jim

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Is it possible to use 2 DSL lines ,one for Primary line and the other for a
backup line in a VPN.
Lets assume that all encryption and Firewalls are in place.
Just wanted to know if I have a Cisco router with 2 e0 ports that if my
Primary goes down, can the Cisco router be config so that the second DSL
will kick in on the same router. Is this possible? What would be the router
config. on this? Any links out there that supports this theory?
Thank you all
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CIT

2000-08-14 Thread Perez, Robert



I would like to know if anyone 
has any reading suggestions for the CIT exam or even any prep materials that you 
thought were good. Thanks.




Re: RSM

2000-08-14 Thread Flem

Paulo ,

Next time it crashes open a tac case .
Get a sh stack , sh log , sh version or better a sh
tech and attach it to the case .

Depending an the 'kind' of crash a core dump is
required .

Are there any messages in the log of the RSM ?


Have fun ,
flem


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looking for WIC

2000-08-14 Thread Greg

Does anyone know where I could get a good price on a new or used WIC (serial
or 56K CSU/DSU) for a Cisco1600.
I don't have a large amount of funds for my CCNA study lab and  I found 3
1602s for less than I would like to mention so I couldn't pass them up.  The
prices for new serial WICs I have seen are about $300.

Most study guide labs I have seen expect 2500s or better and so they often
use 2 serial connections.  1600s have only one but include one WIC slot.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg


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RE: blocking napster

2000-08-14 Thread Sam Adams

Funny that you guys are trying to block napster.  Any good firewall takes
care of napster in two seconds.  I have a raptor sitting right here to prove
it.


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John Hardman
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: blocking napster


Hi

As Howard would say, "What is the problem you are trying to solve?"

Since you are asking I will assume you are a network admin for a company and
that you want to block Napster do to...

1) It taking up time your employees should be using to do their work

and

2) It is eating up bandwidth that your company has to pay for.

Solutions:

1) Management problem. There should be a policy in place limiting the
personal use of company equipment and resources. Employees not following the
policy should be disciplined or terminated.

2) Allow employees to run wide and spend lots of time monitoring and trying
block activity that the company doesn't want.

To block Napster... do a little digging with your favorite nslookup tool and
block all access to their IP ranges.

HTH
--
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ArrisTech/CCS-IS SysAdmin


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RE: looking for WIC

2000-08-14 Thread McMasters, Eric

Check out Alliance Datacom at, www.alliancedatacom.com.  They are the
cheapest that I have found so far.  A WIC-1T runs goes for $225 there, plus
they have a good selection.  Hope this helps. 

Eric L. McMasters, CCNP/CCDA
OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer

Phone:913.859.1986
PCS:913.485.9734
Fax: 913.859.1234


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Does anyone know where I could get a good price on a new or used WIC (serial
or 56K CSU/DSU) for a Cisco1600.
I don't have a large amount of funds for my CCNA study lab and  I found 3
1602s for less than I would like to mention so I couldn't pass them up.  The
prices for new serial WICs I have seen are about $300.

Most study guide labs I have seen expect 2500s or better and so they often
use 2 serial connections.  1600s have only one but include one WIC slot.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg


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Routing and NAT config problem

2000-08-14 Thread Jacques Eding

Hello everybody,

I have been given the task to enable two separate company's to a vlan on our
internet switch.

Both company's will use a ISDN link to one 2600, with the eth interface of
the router in the internet vlan.
So far so good, and no problems configuring.

But on comes the challenge.

the two company's lets call them foo and bar both use the same IP addressing
scheme.
For the sake of the argument lets use 10.0.0.0/16 (which isn't far of the
truth)
From those networks clients will be browsing via the isdn link the services
in the vlan, and servers in the vlan have to update systems on both the foo
and the bar network.

the problem, I can do host routing so the servers on the vlan will be able
to contact back office systems on both foo and bar networks, but how to make
users from both networks able to browse the network??

As far as my knowledge takes me the inside to outside our outside to inside
nat overload, which will do in the case of just one interface will not work
here.
I could make a different pool for both networks, but how to make sure the
foo and the bar network get their nat addresses from those different pools?

Hope anyone can lead me in the right direction.

In Advance Thanks for you're help.


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Re: are they any ccie hopefuls in london?

2000-08-14 Thread Cisco Kid

I think there are probably hundreds, I am only one of them, I know of
another 20 personally.

Mail me if you want any info/books/SW.

Rashid

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RE: ACRC and BSCN

2000-08-14 Thread Ledwidge, Feargal

Add some good BGP material and you should have it (and drop IPX  bridging).

Feargal

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CPA-2509 (2nd try)

2000-08-14 Thread John Nemeth

 I have an opportunity to pick up a CiscoPro 2509.  I have
physically examined it, but I haven't fired it up yet (I will try to do
that soon).  The box contained router, power cord, console cable, and
docs.  This one had the funny multiport plug for the async ports, but
didn't include any serial cables (async or sync).  The problem is that
I need to determine the value of it.  Checking eBay indicates that
regular 2509's go for about $800 to $900 US, and checking the
groupstudy archives people are suggesting that CiscoPro devices are
worth about have of the equivalent regular Cisco device.  So, I'm guess
at a value of approximately $400 to $500 US for this device.  Would
this be a fair estimate?  I will, of course, want to upgrade the IOS on
it, which leaves me wondering if it has enough flash and RAM for even
basic IOS 12.x?

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Re: Cisco Internetwork Design (CID 3.0) Exam

2000-08-14 Thread Robert Padjen

All of my suggestions, except for getting a good
night's sleep, are in the book. Good luck.


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IP Secondary

2000-08-14 Thread alvarcar

Hello everybody

I have a trouble with secondaries addressing.
I cant route traffic from (E0)secondary network thru 
Serial 0 to other networks but I can from primary 
network configurated in the same E0.
Im using default network to s0.
Help will be appreciated.

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Re: blocking napster

2000-08-14 Thread Perry Lucas

Sam,

Napster is able to be proxied through port 80 now with the latest revisions.
Simply shutting down port 6699, can't be done anymore to block it.  You have
to block access to their servers.  Last I checked, Raptor, Pix, Gauntlet or
Checkpoint didn't block napster's IP addresses directly without
customization.


- Original Message -
From: "Sam Adams" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: blocking napster


 Funny that you guys are trying to block napster.  Any good firewall takes
 care of napster in two seconds.  I have a raptor sitting right here to
prove
 it.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 John Hardman
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:14 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: blocking napster


 Hi

 As Howard would say, "What is the problem you are trying to solve?"

 Since you are asking I will assume you are a network admin for a company
and
 that you want to block Napster do to...

 1) It taking up time your employees should be using to do their work

 and

 2) It is eating up bandwidth that your company has to pay for.

 Solutions:

 1) Management problem. There should be a policy in place limiting the
 personal use of company equipment and resources. Employees not following
the
 policy should be disciplined or terminated.

 2) Allow employees to run wide and spend lots of time monitoring and
trying
 block activity that the company doesn't want.

 To block Napster... do a little digging with your favorite nslookup tool
and
 block all access to their IP ranges.

 HTH
 --
 John Hardman, MCSE+I, CCNA
 ArrisTech/CCS-IS SysAdmin


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random
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RE: CPA-2509 (2nd try)

2000-08-14 Thread Daniel Cotts

That funny plug is for an eight port octopus cable.
Check the "show version" for amount of Flash. Best guess is that it is 4 MB.
Believe that you want 8.
There is a utility program on CCO that will "Cisco-ize" a CiscoPro so that
it will load Cisco IOS. 

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 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:49 PM
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  I have an opportunity to pick up a CiscoPro 2509.  I have
 physically examined it, but I haven't fired it up yet (I will 
 try to do
 that soon).  The box contained router, power cord, console cable, and
 docs.  This one had the funny multiport plug for the async ports, but
 didn't include any serial cables (async or sync).  The problem is that
 I need to determine the value of it.  Checking eBay indicates that
 regular 2509's go for about $800 to $900 US, and checking the
 groupstudy archives people are suggesting that CiscoPro devices are
 worth about have of the equivalent regular Cisco device.  So, 
 I'm guess
 at a value of approximately $400 to $500 US for this device.  Would
 this be a fair estimate?  I will, of course, want to upgrade 
 the IOS on
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canonical and non-canonical addresses

2000-08-14 Thread Neil Desai

I am having a problem understanding the issues between canonical and
non-canonical addressing. I understand that the bits are flipped within the
byte. On page 32-33 of Interconnections Second Edition she gives the example
of the address a2-41-42-59-31-51.
Canonical:
10100010 0101 0110 01011001 00110001 01010001
Non-Canonical:
01000101 1010 0110 10011010 10001100 10001010

If you look at this you can clearly see that the address in canonical format
is not a group address (last bit of first byte is zero) but in non-canonical
format it is a group address. At this point I can see a big problem because
she also states:

 ".the group bit in addresses was defined not as "the most significant bit"
or the "least significant bit" but rather as "the first bit on the wire."
Thus, an address that was a group address on 802.3 would not necessarily
look like a group address when transmitted on 802.5 because a different bit
would be transmitted first."

Here is the confusion: In canonical format the least significant bit is
transmitted first and in non-canonical format the most significant bit is
transmitted first. So on the wire the 1's and 0's would be in the same
order. Here is an excerpt from RFC 2469:

The figure below illustrates the difference between
canonical and non-canonical form using the canonical form address
12-34-56-78-9A-BC as an example:

   In memory,  12   34   56   78   9A   BC
   canonical:   00010010 00110100 01010110 0000 10011010 1000

1st bit appearing on LAN (group address indicator)
|
   On LAN:  01001000 00101100 01101010 0000 01011001 0001

   In memory,
   MSB format:  01001000 00101100 01101010 0000 01011001 0001
   48   2C   6A   1E   59   3D


This shows that no matter how the information is stored in memory it looks
the same on the wire. So if it looks the same on the wire wouldn't an
adapter pickup the packet and flip the bits in the byte if it needed to.
Since it on the wire it looks like the bits are in non-canonical format a
canonical format media would automatically take the first byte and flip the
bits and so on, or so I would think.

If anyone can figure out where I am going wrong please let me know. If it
would be best to talk, email me directly with a daytime phone number  and I
will call you. Thanks.
Neil



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Passed CCIE written

2000-08-14 Thread Wenderson . Duarte



I would like to inform I took the CCIE written exam today and passed with a
score 71%.
Many, many thanks for everyone on this list !!

Brgds,
Wenderson Duarte


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Passed CCIE written

2000-08-14 Thread Norman Kunathansak

hi,
Is that true that people who've only passed CCIE written not the lab are
more marketable than those CCNP? As I know, there is no prerequisites for
you to take CCIE written test.

Thanks
Norman

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2924XL and 2600 Trunking problem

2000-08-14 Thread John Neiberger

I would swear I saw this in the archives somewhere once, but I could not
find it just now.  Here is the problem:

I have a brand new 2600 with fast ethernet ports connected to a brand new
enterprise-model 2924XL via an ISL trunk with two vlans.  On the 2924XL, the
VLAN1 interface is working and I can pass traffic back and forth between the
switch and router.  However, the VLAN2 interface will not come up.  I keep
typing "no shutdown" but it remains in a shutdown state.

Any ideas?

TIA,
John Neiberger





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RE: 2924XL and 2600 Trunking problem

2000-08-14 Thread Daniel Cotts

Just a SWAG. Do you have VTP configured on the switch?

 -Original Message-
 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:23 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: 2924XL and 2600 Trunking problem
 
 
 I would swear I saw this in the archives somewhere once, but 
 I could not
 find it just now.  Here is the problem:
 
 I have a brand new 2600 with fast ethernet ports connected to 
 a brand new
 enterprise-model 2924XL via an ISL trunk with two vlans.  On 
 the 2924XL, the
 VLAN1 interface is working and I can pass traffic back and 
 forth between the
 switch and router.  However, the VLAN2 interface will not 
 come up.  I keep
 typing "no shutdown" but it remains in a shutdown state.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 TIA,
 John Neiberger
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Compressing IOS Images with MZMAKER.EXE

2000-08-14 Thread Nigel Taylor

Just as a note.  I was told that cisco is cracking down on folks using
compressed images of their IOS.  Apparently if you read the Software users
agreement/license that's considered tampering with the product.
Be careful where you make mention of the use of this tool.

Nigel.

Thanks Brad...

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Compressing IOS Images with MZMAKER.EXE


  A while back I read about a utility that would compress an IOS image,
  but still allow you to use it.  I found that I had archived a copy on a
  CD, so I tried it out.  It compressed a 14MB image down to 4.5MB.  I
  TFTP'd the compressed image to my 2524 and it rebooted.  Upon reboot,
  however, it wouldn't boot from the image.
 
  I don't recall what the error message was (something along the lines of
  bad CRC), so I removed that image and replaced it with an uncompressed
  IOS.  Has anyone else used this or a similar program?  I'm including a
  link to the file.  I'm told it's freeware.  The link is only up for a
  week or so, but it's on my public share (rtimmons) at xdrive.com, and
  I'll leave it there indefinitely.  I don't have any documentation for
  this product.

 Yes.

 Even Cisco's "run from flash" hardware (2500, old 1600, etc)
 will boot a compressed image in to RAM.  This is an "undocumented
 feature".  MZMAKER.EXE uses the same algorithm as the unix-based
 "compress" tool.  I've used this (compress, not MZMAKER) on
 numerous IOS images, and never had anything but success.

 Usually, though, if I'm looking to skimp on flash for lab
 purposes I'd just end up using a tftp server.

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Re: 2948G-L3 troubles

2000-08-14 Thread Adrian Chew

Lorenzo,

Try this...

 bridge irb

 int bvi 172
 ip addr 192.168.172.1 255.255.255.0
 ip helper ...
 ip helper ...

 int bvi 173
 ip addr 192.168.173.1 255.255.255.0
 ip helper ...
 ip helper ...

 int g49
 no ip addr

 int g49.172
 no ip addr
 encap dot1q 172
 bridge-group 172

 int g49.173
 no ip addr
 encap dot1q 173
 bridge-group 173

 int FastEthernet1
 no ip addr
 bridge-group 172

 int FastEthernet2
 no ip addr
 bridge-group 173
 bridge-group 173 spanning-disabled

 Global:
 bridge 172 protocol ieee
 bridge 173 protocol ieee
 bridge 172 route ip
 bridge 173 route ip

In your earlier configuration, I believe it would have routed traffic
between g49.172 and g49.173 fine (so ports on VLAN 172 and 173 on the non-L3
switch should be able to ping hosts in the other VLAN).  The
'spanning-disabled' should help the workstation port come up faster (sort of
like portfast, but I believe in this case STP is TOTALLY disabled - don't
create a LOOP!!!).

Regards,
Adrian


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Re: OSPF Question in Jeff Doyle book.

2000-08-14 Thread Alexander Pozdnjakov

Hi!

Non-broadcast Multi Access envirinments do not use nor broadcast not
multicast packet delivery method.
Multicast and multipoint are the completely different terms!

 I have a question about OSPF ..in particular a line from the Jeff Doyle
 Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 book..

 On Page 417, 2nd paragraph it says that Point to Point networks are a
 special config of NBMA networks, the OSPF packets are multicast...

 However on page 433, 2nd para "On NBMA, point-to-multipoint" Hellos are
 unicast to individual neighbours..
 Which is correct?
 Could someone care to explain how the packets are sent.

 Thanks


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RE: 2924XL and 2600 Trunking problem

2000-08-14 Thread John Neiberger

Nope, I don't have VTP configured at the moment.  I have a SWAG of my own,
too.  I think it may be due to the fact that I have no ports configured for
VLAN2 that are up/up.  My guess is that if I were to go grab someone's
laptop and connect it to a port in VLAN2, then it would allow me to do a "no
shut".   That seems like strange behavior to me, though.

"shutdown" by definition is administrative, which should have no bearing on
the actual state of an interface.  I think it should allow me to activate
the VLAN regardless of the status of member ports.

  Just a SWAG. Do you have VTP configured on the switch?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:23 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: 2924XL and 2600 Trunking problem
   
   
   I would swear I saw this in the archives somewhere once, but 
   I could not
   find it just now.  Here is the problem:
   
   I have a brand new 2600 with fast ethernet ports connected to 
   a brand new
   enterprise-model 2924XL via an ISL trunk with two vlans.  On 
   the 2924XL, the
   VLAN1 interface is working and I can pass traffic back and 
   forth between the
   switch and router.  However, the VLAN2 interface will not 
   come up.  I keep
   typing "no shutdown" but it remains in a shutdown state.
   
   Any ideas?
   
   TIA,
   John Neiberger
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: Catalyst Price $893.00

2000-08-14 Thread Nigel Taylor

Take your time I got a Catalyst 2912 XL_EN on ebay for $800.  I've seen one
go for $650.
Be patient.. It'll be worth it.

Nigel.
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Catalyst Price $893.00


 $893.00
 Would this be a fair price for a new Catalyst 1912 12-Port 10BT
2-100BaseTX
 Ports,ISL,CGMP

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RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread jenny . mcleod



I don't believe this is correct.

"Layer 3 switching is hardware-based routing. In particular, the packet
forwarding is handled by specialized hardware, usually ASICs. Depending on the
protocols, interfaces, and features supported, Layer 3 switches can be used in
place of routers in a campus design... Cisco's Layer 3 switching implementation
on the Catalyst family of switches combines the full multiprotocol routing
support of the Cisco IOS software with hardware-based Layer 3 switching. The
Route Switch Module (RSM) is an IOS-based router with the same Reduced
Instruction Set Computing (RISC) processor as the RSP2 engine in the high-end
Cisco 7500 router family. The hardware-based Layer 3 switching is achieved with
ASICs on the NetFlow feature card. The NetFlow feature card is a daughter-card
upgrade to the Supervisor Engine on a Catalyst 5000 family multilayer switch. "
This from http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/cuso/epso/entdes/highd_wp.htm

Also, from the BCMSN course notes, "An alternative to using a layer 2 switch and
a layer 3 router is to use the next generation of LAN switches, called layer 3
switches.  These new switches integrate layer 2 and layer 3 functionality in a
single box".

My understanding is that an RSM/RSFC/MSM is a full-featured router on a card.
If it swims like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I don't care
if it's called Layer 3 switching.  As far as I can see, it's just missing a few
tail feathers in the form of WAN interfaces - it can still fly like a duck, just
not over long distances :-)

JMcL


-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 14/08/2000 10:27 am
---


"Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/08/2000 03:03:10 am

Please respond to "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


To:   "'Frank Wells'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: JENNY MCLEOD/NSO/CSDA)
Subject:  RE: Switches !!!



Fred
Switches even with an internal route processor cannot take the place of a
router.  The first packet in Multilayer switching is resolved by the
external router.  The internal route processor learns from the forwarding
decision made by the external router and then uses that resolution for the
remainder of the flow from the source to the destination without using the
external route processor.  Unless the external route router must be used as
a gateway to leave the local boundaries.  To answer your question,  a
switched network must still use an external router for Layer 3 resolution.
Switches using Layer 3 modules merely releive the router of precious
processing power.  Hope this helps.  I have two books on switching which can
be used to answer your questions.  Visit my website
www.TheQuestForCertification.Com.  -Sean

Sean Odom, CCNP, MCSE, CNX-EtherII, Author, Instructor
GlobalNet Training Solutions
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-Original Message-
From: Frank Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 11, 2000 9:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Switches !!!


Hey Sean.
This is regarding the following passage taken from the your previous reply
to this thread:

If C. If the destination and source node reside on ports assigned to
different VLANs on the switch,  the switch requires an external router to
resolve the address and send the packet back to the switch. *** If the
switch contains an internal route processor, the external router needs to
only resolve the first packet and then the internal route processor can
finish the job from there. *** (An external router needs to be used so that

a routing protocol can be used to map the network topology to base it's
routes.)

The second sentence implies that there will always need to be at least one
router in any switched network. Is this actually correct?  I seem to
remember reading that there are fully switched networks utilizing layer
three switching as the routing mechanism.  What I am getting at is I thought

Route Switch Processors are layer three devices and fully capable of making
their own routing decisions, in which case there would be no need for a
router.  Can you shed some more light please.

Thanks a lot.


From: "Odom, Sean/SAC" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: "'Raees Ahmed Shaikh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Switches !!!
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:12 -0600

a1. How are MAC addresses used on a switch: The MAC address of the switch,
depending on the interface being used, handle this in different ways.  Some
Catalyst switches assign a global MAC address, some switches use a pool of
addresses assigning one to each interface(You can assign one manually), and
sometimes the MAC address can be a virtual MAC address when using HSRP on
mulitiple internal route processors such as the MSM, RSM, RSFC, NFFC,
NFFCII
or the MSFC.  The switch is assigned an IP address and default 

Re: 2924XL and 2600 Trunking problem

2000-08-14 Thread James Xie

John,

  I bet your VLAN1 is the default VLAN. Try:

 "set vtp mode transparent"


Jim Xie


At 02:22 PM 08/14/2000 -0700, you wrote:
I would swear I saw this in the archives somewhere once, but I could not
find it just now.  Here is the problem:

I have a brand new 2600 with fast ethernet ports connected to a brand new
enterprise-model 2924XL via an ISL trunk with two vlans.  On the 2924XL, the
VLAN1 interface is working and I can pass traffic back and forth between the
switch and router.  However, the VLAN2 interface will not come up.  I keep
typing "no shutdown" but it remains in a shutdown state.

Any ideas?

TIA,
John Neiberger





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Re : ISDN simulator

2000-08-14 Thread Alex Lee

Hi group,

Is the less expensive Teltone ISDN Demonstrator good enough for CCNP lab
practice or the more expensive model ILS-2000 is required ?


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Check out Select a Product

2000-08-14 Thread AABAN34


http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/corona/prodtool/select.pl

Brian
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What is this magic number for a 3600 router

2000-08-14 Thread AABAN34


 When I try to boot my 3620 it keep asking me " I need a magic number" the 
router won't boot? It keeps going into romon1   mode?


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ISDN Trick???

2000-08-14 Thread Patrick Murphy



Hello all,

I tried that ISDN "trick" using a single BRI. I 
tried to have my two B channels call one another. I was using two 1003 routers 
and a Motorola NT1 ( I really didn't fell in the mood to drag my two 2610's down 
to the office!!)

I have a backup ISDN connection at our datacentre 
and I thought that I could play with it today but NO WAY?

I have both routers plugged into the NT1 and I am 
using a single SPID on each one? When I run DEBUG DIALER I see that the receive 
is not even getting a call. I know that they are working because when I dial 
from an outside line the circuit shows that no bearer channel is avaiable on the 
incoming call.

Cheers

Patrick


RE: Re : ISDN simulator

2000-08-14 Thread pbass

I'm using the teltone ISDN demonstrator for CCNP and it work just fine.
Other's at my office are also using it for CCIE prep.

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Importance: Low


Hi group,

Is the less expensive Teltone ISDN Demonstrator good enough for CCNP lab
practice or the more expensive model ILS-2000 is required ?


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Re: What is this magic number for a 3600 router

2000-08-14 Thread bellis

Your flash is erased.  Your flash needs an IOS loaded on it...or worst case,
you've got a bad flash...or even worst case, you've got a bad router.

-Brad
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  When I try to boot my 3620 it keep asking me " I need a magic number" the
 router won't boot? It keeps going into romon1   mode?


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Re: WICs

2000-08-14 Thread Albert

I no longer trust "Hot Swappable".  Now Cisco said that Network Modules are
hot swappable on a 3662.  Just to make sure, I asked 2 different peoples.
I need to install a WIC into the Network Modules.  I pull out the Network
Modules, install the WIC.  The router was fine until I insert the Network
Modules back into the router.  The router was SO nice to reboot itself for
me.  If the router is only carry data, no one outside of the network
department may had know. NO, this router also carry voice traffic.  Guess
what, I cut off the President of the company.
For me, there is no longer anything as "hot swappable".  Power everything
down then insert/remove anything.

Albert


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 the wics are very easy just be careful what model routers some are hot
 swappable some are not.
 Insofar as flash goes
   I always  have spare copy of the ios on my laptop just in case the image
 gets funoogled  when TFTP 'ing.
  Being the whacko i am i also carry a baby hub and cables also
 if possible you can load the flash offsite  too and check  it on another
box
 . kinda helps when using used flash  as much of it looks the same  but
 works different on each router.
 use care with the clips on the older machines they are easy to break ..
  a couple of rubber bands will fix that tho (grin)

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Re: where is routing table located in the router?

2000-08-14 Thread James Xie

Interesting question.

Yes the routing table is dynamically built by routing protocols.
There are also static routing entries if you created in your
configuration file. Locally connected active networks will be
entered into the routing table immediately after the reset.

If the question goes to how the router performs routing using
routing table, its different.

In the Cisco Express Forward mode, routing table is consulted
for the first packet of a given destination. IOS will store the
forward(port) information in the module/adaptor card RAM.
Subsequent packets target to the same destionation will
be forwarded to egress port without going through the routing
table.

Jim Xie



At 08:13 AM 08/14/2000 -0700, Roger Dellaca wrote:
RAM is correct, because the routing table needs to be rebuilt if the router 
is powered of  on (from connected interfaces, static routes,  learned 
routes from whatever routing protocol(s)you're running).

 "Frank Jordan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/14/00 07:06AM 
An article said the routing table is located in RAM.
I got a little puzzled ,cause if the router is powered off by accident,
will the table get lost totally?
If the router is a backbone one,the table should be very big ,so after
the power cycle ,the router has to attain all the routes once again,it's
time consuming.
Does  the router put some static routes in NVRAM or flash ,or all the
routes stay in ram ?

Thanks.

frank


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RE: Ghost sessions on vty ports

2000-08-14 Thread Alves Sgt Paulo T

Craig,
I have had a problem somewhat like that before.  
What I had to do was to change the exec-timout time.  I did not have
anything stated in the router, and as soon as I applied the exec-timout 3
command it fixed the problem.  It seems that your sessions don't have an
expiration time, and sometimes just by closing the telnet window your're not
closing the actual session.  I would also try to upgrade to a knewer IOS.

Sergeant Paulo T. Alves
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-Original Message-
From: Craig Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ghost sessions on vty ports


Group,

Got an interesting problem. I have a 7507 that is
leaving up ghost sessions on the vty ports and on the
console port. I have tried to clear the sessions using
the normal clear commands (example clear line vty 0,
etc). I am running 11.2 (17) and was wondering if
anyone else is having problems with this version.
Also, I was wondering if anyone knew of an alternate
method of clearing the ports short of rebooting the
router. Thoughts and suggestions

Craig Hill
Verizon Select Services

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RE: Switches !!!

2000-08-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

I have to say that I'm a little confused my self!
RSP "Route Switch Processor" is used by the 7500's
RSM "Route Switch Module" can be used by Cat5500 for example.
We have currently 7 5500's with RSM's, and I tell you it is doing all of the
routing for us to include VLANs.  Lot's of then.
What I am trying to say here is that I can Route between VLAN's just fine
with an RSM. I think that someone missed typed RSP with RSM.
Paulo


Nahhh...

The guts of a RSM and RSP are the same. The RSM connects to a Cat5000 
bus and can have its own WAN interface.  The RSP connects to a CBus 
in a 7x00.  There are also faster RSPs available than RSMs.

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Re: Any difference between secondary address and subinterface for a port?

2000-08-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Secondary addressing and subinterfacing serve different purposes. In 
my less than humble opinion, the major applications for secondary 
addresses are workarounds for problems caused by the dinosaur of 
classful addressing. These are discussed in detail in Chapter 5 of my 
_Designing Addressing Architectures for Routing and Switching_, but 
some applications include:

-- making more hosts available than are available with a fixed
   subnet mask
-- fixing discontiguous networks
-- dealing with especially stupid host stacks that assume default masks

The underlying concepts of secondaries and subinterfaces are 
different.  Secondaries (called multinets in Bay-speak) map multiple 
subnets/networks to a single broadcast domain, NBMA medium, or 
point-to-point link. Subinterfaces separate the broadcast domains on 
a medium with layer 2 multiplexing (e.g., DLCI, VLAN ID, ATM VC, 
etc.).

There are some complex VLAN configurations where it can even be 
useful to have secondaries on subinterfaces. Personally, I shudder at 
the thought.
"What Problem are you trying to solve?"
***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not 
directly to me***

Howard C. Berkowitz  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Senior Product Manager, Carrier Packet Solutions, NortelNetworks (for ID only)
   but Cisco stockholder!
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Traffic threshold for BGP?

2000-08-14 Thread Jennifer Mellone

Here is our BGP setup with a single ISP:

external 7507 router (EBGP, AS yyy))
||
| 4 T1's | 1 DS3
||
ISP router#1 ISP router#2
(AS xxx) (AS xxx)


Here's what's happening: All inbound/outbound traffic is going through the
DS3, and no traffic is going through the T1s!

Here's what the manager wants: Load balancing with the DS3 and T1s (T1's not
a backup mechanism).  He wants all 5 circuits to be used all the time.  He
wants the T1's to be used first, for example, and when the load reaches 50%
on them (or any other %), the DS3 gets used.  Kind of like dialer-load
threshold with ISDN ;-)  I'm not aware of anything like that, are you?  He
specifically wanted me to ask that question...

But I was thinking that the only way you could do load sharing is have the
T1's be preferred outbound (higher local-pref than DS3) and the DS3 inbound
(lower MED than T1).  Currently on the router the route-maps set both
local-pref and MED inbound/outbound on all circuits!  Not very clean.

- Jennifer Mellone, BGP rookie

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WANTED: used ISDN simulator

2000-08-14 Thread derek lewinson

Anyone got one to sell @ a good price?
Needs to be able to function in the UK (voltage selectable or 240v) and
support UK and Europe's isdn standard

Let me know

Derek Lewinson, CCNA, MCSE
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Tel/Fax/Mobile: 0044 709 205 2615




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Re: CIT

2000-08-14 Thread Stephen Alston



The McGraw Hill CIT Course companion ISBN 0-07-212483-0 gets 
rave reviews on Amazon and BN. 

Steve

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  I would like to know if 
  anyone has any reading suggestions for the CIT exam or even any prep materials 
  that you thought were good. Thanks.
  
  


cable question

2000-08-14 Thread Jason

hi , sorry to trouble you guys again

but anyway here is my problem :

I have a question about the equipment we currently have. The HSSI cable

included for connecting the Newtec demodulator to the router is quite short.

As the maximum spec for HSSI is 50 feet, I would like to know where we could

avail of one that long, or at least around 20 feet. This is because we are

redesigning our data center and want to locate the router further away from

the satellite kit.



thnax b4 hand



Jason yee



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need help to config 2511...

2000-08-14 Thread Nick Mackovski

Hello GroupStudy.com,


Need to connect a few Cisco routers and switches to a 2511.

first question...
Should I connect the async cables to the 'console' port or 'aux' port of
my devices?

second question...
Do I also need to configure the routers and switches - or just configure
the 2511?

third question, actually request...
If possible, could someone within groupstudy.com please e-mail a sample
config of a 2511 - thanks.


cheers,
Nick

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Re: Any difference between secondary address and subinterface for a port?

2000-08-14 Thread William V. Wollman

I do not think Cisco would discontinue the use of secondary IP addresses.
There are so many different uses for them and it seems (at least in my
experience)
that every network hack out there always uses them --- not that i necessarily
always like them--- but if you customers use it and need it there is no reason
to remove it...

my 50 cents (unable to the sense key)

Briggs wrote:

 um...I think cisco stated that secondary addresses will not be supported in
 some future IOS releases, so.. that's a decent reason not to use them.

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Doc CD and Win2000

2000-08-14 Thread Kevin Wigle

Dear Group,

Just got my quarterly shipment from Cisco for Reseller/Consultant and the
Doc CD says it can run on Win2000.

Tested it out right away and   it failed.  :-(

However, did the normal stuff, uninstalled the old software, deleted the
files, rebooted the computer.  (probably says this somewhere but who reads
the book - right??)

Did the install again, I picked MS IE as the browser and voila!  it works in
Win2000.

Surfed all over the CD with no problems.

As this was a hot topic not so long ago I thought I'd pass this along.

Kevin Wigle
CCDP/CCNP


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Re: need help to config 2511...

2000-08-14 Thread whatshakin

Search these archives for 'Reverse Telnet' , you will find everything you
need.

- Original Message -
From: Nick Mackovski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:38 PM
Subject: need help to config 2511...


 Hello GroupStudy.com,


 Need to connect a few Cisco routers and switches to a 2511.

 first question...
 Should I connect the async cables to the 'console' port or 'aux' port of
 my devices?

 second question...
 Do I also need to configure the routers and switches - or just configure
 the 2511?

 third question, actually request...
 If possible, could someone within groupstudy.com please e-mail a sample
 config of a 2511 - thanks.


 cheers,
 Nick

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Re: need help to config 2511...

2000-08-14 Thread Karthikeyan.V

Hi Nick,

 See my comments on line.

Regards,
Karthik.

At 10:38 PM 8/14/00 -0400, Nick Mackovski wrote:
Hello GroupStudy.com,


Need to connect a few Cisco routers and switches to a 2511.

first question...
Should I connect the async cables to the 'console' port or 'aux' port of
my devices?

Yaah! You are exactly correct


second question...
Do I also need to configure the routers and switches - or just configure
the 2511?

You have to configure only the 2511 device.


third question, actually request...
If possible, could someone within groupstudy.com please e-mail a sample
config of a 2511 - thanks.

No need for much of configuration.
Assign IP Address and proper subnet mask
to the Ethernet port Configure the default gate way.
Just check whether the device can ping outside
world or your network. That's all.

 Assume you have connected a router to the first async port on 2511.
Then you can just telnet from your machine with the following command
to manage the router.

 telnet Ip Address of the 2511 device 2000+async port no

 In this case the command is:

 telnet 10.2.3.4 2001

 This will give you the prompt for the telnet password
from the router.

Hope this clears your questions





cheers,
Nick

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Re: Access List Question

2000-08-14 Thread JEK

This is the subnet information.Inverse Mask is 0.0.0.15 so the mask that
the
destination range resides on is 255.255.255.240 or /28.

  No. Subnet   HostsHosts
Broadcast
Address  From To
Address
  10  194.72.6.160 194.72.6.161 194.72.6.174 194.72.6.175

Rose, if you look as the access-list this is a inverse mask working with the
subnet mask of the destination network.What this is doing is filtering
out
on  udp port's  from the host listed below to the 10th Subnet of the Class
C destination address only.Subnet=194.72.6.160
Hosts=194.72.6.161--194.72.6.174
Broadcast=194.72.6.175.Hope this helps..

JEK

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 Can someone explain to me how to interrupt the subnet mask for this access
 list.

 permit udp host 194.72.72.33 194.72.6.160 0.0.0.15

 Thank you.
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Re: need help to config 2511...

2000-08-14 Thread NeoLink2000

In a message dated 8/14/00 10:51:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Hello GroupStudy.com,


Need to connect a few Cisco routers and switches to a 2511.

first question...
Should I connect the async cables to the 'console' port or 'aux' port of
my devices?

second question...
Do I also need to configure the routers and switches - or just configure
the 2511?

third question, actually request...
If possible, could someone within groupstudy.com please e-mail a sample
config of a 2511 - thanks.


cheers,
Nick
 

Wow,
 I can't tell if your serious or kidding. No pun intended. First of 
all, if this is for your company then I would suggest not doing anything if 
you have these kind of questions...seriously. You could bring down the whole 
net. If this is a home lab then you need to buy at least the CCNA book. Any 
would do. When you ask for sample config's it's almost impossible to answer 
your question. We need to know what kind of net you want to configure. We 
need to know how many and what kind of routers you want to connect. If this 
is for work I would seriously suggest not doing anything unless you have the 
proper knowledge and experience and from the looks of your questions it 
doesn't look good. My main suggestion is to read (at least) a book on CCNA 
topics. It will help you and give you the "minimum" requirements to set up 
your net. Good luck, and be careful,

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
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Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and 
explode once a year killing everyone inside.
~Robert Cringely, InfoWorld~ 

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Re: Router 2.0

2000-08-14 Thread Sean Wu

I took ACRC class last Nov. and there are almost 1/3 materials not in new
routing 2.0 guideline at cisco website. Is that true? Looks like only covers
some major routing protocols, even no Appletalk, no DDR.

I'll appreciate if you can give some comments about what will be covered.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Well, I nailed the new Router 2.0 exam today.  I used the
course books but all the material is in the ACRC books from
Sybex and Chappel.  As a matter of fact the Cisco press book
had identical portions in the new BSCN course.  SO there is
study material out there.  I dont want to break any rules
but if you follow the objectives on the Cisco site you
should have no problems. I did not find any tricks, bery
straight forward.  But you better know the protocols inside
and out.   Good luck to all

ML

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