RE: Passed Switching Exam

[Stephen Skinner]

i took it two weeks ago and scored 858! most odd...

is everyone reading the same books ... i used the exam cram...Anyone!

rgs ste

>From: Vasudeva Venkateshaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Vasudeva Venkateshaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Fred Danson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Passed Switching Exam
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:16:04 -0800
>
>I took it last month and I scored an 857 too !!! Well, I think it is not
>surprising considering the number of people taking the CCNP exams.
>
>Vasu.
>
>  -Original Message-
>From:  Fred Danson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent:  Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:31 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: Passed Switching Exam
>
>You got 857 on that exam too?? I just took the exam last week and got 857.
>Also one of the other guys in my CCNP class also got 857. Has anyone out
>there not scored 857 on this exam?? :)
>
>
> >From: Helena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Helena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Passed Switching Exam
> >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:08:46 +1000 (EST)
> >
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Last week I sat the Switching exam and passed.  I didn't find it as easy
> >some people said, and only got 857.  But I'm happy I passed anyway :o)
> >There were some straightforward questions, but some really hard ones as
> >well, which the answers I thought weren't in the book (CiscoPress) I was
> >reading.  They also asked heaps of questions on LED lights which I didnt'
> >know.  I have a problem with timing myself though, having done my three
> >CCNP
> >
> >Helena
> >
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RE: question on route map + access list on same interface

[Stephen Skinner]

dosen`t the route map USE the access list to get it`s address from???
i.e

router ospf 1
network 172.16.10.2 0.0.0.0 area 5
ip classless
access-list 1 permit 192.168.*.* *
"this is created but needs to be called"

route-map griffy permit 10
match ip address 1
"this statement CALLS the access list into play"

(this is borrowed form Mr DOYLE ...appologies)

PLEASE correct me if i`m wrong list

still studying please bear with me...

regards

steve
>From: Andrew Larkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: george <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: question on route map + access list on same interface
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:34:58 +0200
>
>I think that the access list should have priority
>
>-Original Message-
>From: george [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 26 January 2001 04:02
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: question on route map + access list on same interface
>
>
>Theory question:
>If a route-map and an input acess list are on the same interface what is 
>the
>order of processing?
>1. Do packets go through the access list first then proccessed by route 
>map?
>2. Does the route-map go first and if so, do the packets then go to the
>access list for processing or are they just sent out the next interface
>bypassing the access list?
>
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Re: Written Tomorrow..

[Stephen Skinner]

as i have said before going out in the car and singing out load does it 
for me.OR shouting ..at no-one(basically the mirror)
What you should shout is this..


I HAVEN`T GOT A CLUE WHAT I`M DOING

WHAT THE HELL HAS SNA GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING ANYWAY

IT DOSEN`T MATTER IF I FAIL IT`S ONLY MY LIFE WERE TALKING ABOUT 
,.FOR CHRIST`S SAKE

OSPF I`LL GIVE YOU OSPF ...RIGHT UP THE  #$&*&^

I NEVER WANTED THIS ACCREDITATION IN THE FIRST PLACE IT WAS ALL MY MUM`S 
IDEA

after all that shouting (if you do it loud enough...i`m talking cops brakin 
down your door ..loud enough) you`ll be so tired you`ll drop off to sleep 
the night before and awake fully refreshed and eager to take on the world.

if you still fail it`s because you didn`t get enough last minute cramming 
because of all that shouting.Tsh never mind hey...

regards and the very best of (British, European and American) luck to you 
sir

steve






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>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Written Tomorrow..
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:27:49 -0500
>
>Group,
>
>With my written getting closer every minute, (just over 25 hours away) I am
>starting to get a little nervous.  Any last minute suggestions from others
>who have gone before me?  Any tribal chants I should try?  I am confident 
>in
>my studies but this is the "big one".
>
>Dazed and confused
>
>Ryan Sheahan CCNP,CCDP
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Re: CATALYST "BUG" MEMORY LEAK VULNERABILITY

[Stephen Skinner]

Many thanks for posting this it is very usefull to have

regards steve


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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: CATALYST "BUG" MEMORY LEAK VULNERABILITY
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:37:10 -
>
>CISCO CATALYST MEMORY LEAK VULNERABILITY:
>
>This vulnerability affects Catalyst 2901, 2902, 2926T, 2926F, 2926GL, 
>2926GS
>fixed configuration chassis, and the 5000, 5002, 5500, 5505, and 5509
>modular chassis switches. 2948G, 2980G, 4003, 4006, and 4912G switches.
>6009, 6006, 6509, 6509-NEB, and 6506 modular chassis switches.
>
>HAVE FUN UPGRADING ;)=  FOR FULL DETAILS CHECK OUT CCO LINK BELOW
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/catalyst-memleak-pub.shtml
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Re: CCSI question

[Stephen Skinner]

the only test you need to get a high score on is the CCNA (892)...when you 
go for your CCSI lab test that is the material you will be tested on..

all other courses only require a pass mark on the exam to enable you to 
teach You have to pass both the exam and LAB to teach CCIE`s

BTW the CCSI lab is hard ...first day configuring routers and switches 
...second day giving presentations..they do pick on you if your 
presenting is not as good as your configuring...and they constantly ask you 
questions...just like CCIE lab

>From: "Bradley J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: CCSI question
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:54:09 -0500
>
>Just out of curiosity...is there anywhere I could look up whether or not my
>scores that I've achieved on the Cisco tests are adequate for the CCSI
>certification?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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RE: CCSI question

[Stephen Skinner]

yes after that you can only teach CCNA you must then pass the other exams to 
teach that course.

i know it sounds easy BUT after a course a crit is filled by each 
attendee and is sent to cisco .if you don not attain 80% satisfaction of 
a the first  6 months your CCSI is taken away then after they monitor your 
progress and again are slightly more leanient...

if after doing the ccna you MUST
1)sit the course and have a certificate to prove you have been on it 2
2) pass the exam with any pass mark ...

you can then teach that course like say BCRAN
there is no lab to pass for the CCNP...

BUT HERE~S the problem a Center that is CISCO APPROVED TRAINING CENTER 
must sponser you or Cisco won`t even look at you

the lab cost $1200

HTH

steve

>From: "Albert Lu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Stephen Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: CCSI question
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:13:07 +1100
>
>So after you pass CCNA and pass the lab, you can teach CCNA (only CCNA?).
>CCNP and others don't require you to pass a lab?
>
>How much does it cost to become CCSI?
>
>Albert
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Stephen Skinner
>Sent: Monday, 29 January 2001 23:29
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCSI question
>
>
>
>the only test you need to get a high score on is the CCNA (892)...when you
>go for your CCSI lab test that is the material you will be tested on..
>
>all other courses only require a pass mark on the exam to enable you to
>teach You have to pass both the exam and LAB to teach CCIE`s
>
>BTW the CCSI lab is hard ...first day configuring routers and switches
>...second day giving presentations..they do pick on you if your
>presenting is not as good as your configuring...and they constantly ask you
>questions...just like CCIE lab
>
> >From: "Bradley J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Bradley J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: CCSI question
> >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:54:09 -0500
> >
> >Just out of curiosity...is there anywhere I could look up whether or not 
>my
> >scores that I've achieved on the Cisco tests are adequate for the CCSI
> >certification?  Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: BSCN??

[Stephen Skinner]

for a really GOOD instruction on BGP + explanations
try the following URL.

it`s the best BGP guide i ever seen

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/bgp-toc.html


regards steve
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>To: "'Gopinath Pulyankote'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: BSCN??
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:11:47 -0600
>
>I cannot say that there were or were not, that would violate the NDA,
>however I can say that I did not spend nearly as much time studying IPX
>EIGRP scenarios as I did studying IP EIGRP scenarios.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Gopinath Pulyankote
>Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:28 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: BSCN??
>
>
>was there any IPX EIGRP questions?
>
>"Timothy Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I just took the BSCN today and all I used was the Cisco Press book. I 
>read
> > the book and then read it again while creating my own study guide. So 
>far,
> > the Cisco press books have not let me down one bit. If you know them, 
>you
> > will have zero problems on the test.
> >
> > As far as the test itself, in my case, the first two thirds were easy.
>What
> > I mean by that is no reading in-between the lines or remembering really
> > obscure details were necessary. The last third took as long as the first
>two
> > thirds. The questions were challenging and required much thought. I 
>scored
>a
> > 885.
> >
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Buri, Heather H
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:55 PM
> > > To: 'William E. Gragido'; 'AndyD'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: BSCN??
> > >
> > >
> > > For this exam, would you recommend that the explanation of BGP 
>provided
>in
> > > the BSCN books is sufficient or would you recommend Basaam Halabi's
>book,
> > > Internet Routing Architectures, to pass the exam?  Also, what book(s) 
>do
> > > people recommend for this exam?
> > >
> > > I currently have the BSCN book by Thomas M. Thomas published by
> > > McGraw Hill
> > > ISBN 0-07-212477-6 and I don't like it.  I am only on Chapter 4 but 
>have
> > > already found too many typos in it.  I expect a few, but this is
> > > ridiculous.
> > > Can anyone recommend the book by Cisco Press for BSCN?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Heather Buri
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: William E. Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:12 AM
> > > To: 'AndyD'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: BSCN??
> > >
> > >
> > > No IS-IS, but you must know OSPF configs, EIGRP and BGPv4 like its 
>cool
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > AndyD
> > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:49 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: BSCN??
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anybody out there taken the BSCN test?? How was it??  Were there 
>any
> > > questions on IS-IS?  Mostly OSPF and BGP??
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >   AD
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Re: Cisco Instructor Exam

[Stephen Skinner]

what you MUST do is concentrate onb the material at hand ...they are looking 
for these things

1) depth of knowledge
2) EASE of delivery
3) confidence when asking/answering questions
4) the truth...if you don`t know SAY SO

they want you to be able to deliver the course ..not spend to much time 
adding things that may not be required 

on my lab i stuck as close to the matreial as poss .two others flapped 
they failed ..and i made it ...

i can only tell you what i know...

regards

steve

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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Cisco Instructor Exam
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:34:07 -0600
>
>Hello Group,
>
>I am about to sit for the ICP (the cisco instructor exam). I am ready for
>the lab portion however I am uncertain as to what the proctors are looking
>for during the presentation. Some cisco instructors have told me that it is
>ok to introduce information that will help the students understand the
>releavance of the material. Other instructors have told me that I would be
>taking a risk if I did so as I am expected to stick strictly to the 
>material
>on hand. I would appreciate comments from instructors who have gone through
>the process.
>
>Thank You,
>
>Pierre-Alex
>
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Re: UK Routers for sale

[Stephen Skinner]

i`m genuinely sorry to hear of your i`lls and hope you get better soon
if you can split ... i will take one of your 2504`s (don`t want to be 
greedy).work in london .can we talk

regards steve


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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: UK Routers for sale
>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 05:53:53 +
>
>Im getting out of the certifications business for a while due to health
>problems.  I have a couple of routers on ebay but they arent getting
>much attention so make an offer, and if they dont go then Ill see who
>offers most.
>
>2 2504 routers with 16ram, 8flash
>1 8228 mau
>1 token ring analysis pcmcia card (network associates)
>console cable, back to back serial cable, 3 token ring cables
>documentation CD
>will throw in the lucent netcare CCIE notes/cd
>
>currently going for 1000 uk pounds at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212235630
>
>but like I said, make an offer (not too much lower than 1000ukp though
>if you want everything, will split bits up if need be though)
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real time interface Load commands in IOS

[Stephen Skinner]

Hello,

 THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION ALERT

does anyone know if there is a command in the ios that will tell me the load 
on a serial interface in real time

I will be a remote logging in (so CS,HP-OV) out of question
At the moment i have to keep typing

SH INT S0/1 it reports "Txload" Rxload"

this is V.good but i have to keep typing it AND yes i know i should really 
be using CiscoWorks or something like that but i just wan`t to watch an 
interface when remote to see what level it is running at .

regards

Docile Bloke
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HSRP on my WKS subnet

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

i have a slight problem ... i have 2 6509`s running HSRP on my comms vlan 4
these 65`s do all routing between Vlan`s

i have sniffer pro on my local workstation , vlan 5

i am seeing multicast traffic from 224.0.0.2 which has HSRP packet headers 
(that are hello`s)every 3 seconds
Should i be seeing these  i don`t think i should
i think the only Vlan that these should be seen on is the comms vlan 4
? answers please..

also if i am right how can i stop the HSRP hello bieng sent to all the other 
vlan`s

many thanks in advance

steve
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RE: HSRP on my WKS subnet

[Stephen Skinner]

is there a way of blocking them because i thought that as long as the 
clients can link to the virtual addressthen there would be no need for 
the hsrp hello (which are just for the cat`s and no-one else needs to know 
about them ) to be seen by all workstations...surely this is shoving 
un-neccasery packetsa into my Vlan...

or am i completely off the mark

many thanks

steve


>From: "Brant Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Brant Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Stephen Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: HSRP on my WKS subnet
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:02:46 -0500
>
>Yes, you should be seeing them...  That is proper multicast behavior, and
>these packets would be seen for any VLAN that is running HSRP...
>
>Brant I. Stevens
>Internetwork Solutions Engineer
>Thrupoint, Inc.
>545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
>New York, NY. 10017
>646-562-6540
>
>-----Original Message-
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>Stephen Skinner
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:00 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: HSRP on my WKS subnet
>
>
>Guys,
>
>i have a slight problem ... i have 2 6509`s running HSRP on my comms vlan 4
>these 65`s do all routing between Vlan`s
>
>i have sniffer pro on my local workstation , vlan 5
>
>i am seeing multicast traffic from 224.0.0.2 which has HSRP packet headers
>(that are hello`s)every 3 seconds
>Should i be seeing these  i don`t think i should
>i think the only Vlan that these should be seen on is the comms vlan 4
>? answers please..
>
>also if i am right how can i stop the HSRP hello bieng sent to all the 
>other
>vlan`s
>
>many thanks in advance
>
>steve
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HORRAY !!!! PASSED ROUTING 2 ....UK CCIE LABS

[Stephen Skinner]

Group

Horray horray i squeezzzed paste the routing 2.0 
exam with 759...O funny exam was expecting lots of in-depth 
questions and i didn`t get them .some just not as many as i 
expected.Bloddy good job too...


any way after this quite shocking result ... i think i need a lab.anyone 
give any recommendations for UK CCIE labs...

Thanks

Ta Ta for now ...

steve
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CCIE LABS....I NEED HELP

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

Can anyone please recommend some CCIE resources...

i`m thinking

NETGUN EXtreme from geo-train

also

CCIEBootcamp

please Review

thanks in advance

steve (i`ve had a quick check of the archives but couldn`t find much)
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Re: MCMSN question

[Stephen Skinner]

Ahhh Excelent

Some things to know well for the exam 

Know your switches (and what and where they are used...Acces,Dist..etc)
Know the different commands 19 V 29 V 50 they will be asked.
Know about CGMP..know HSRP concepts ...dosn`t dwell on it much
MLSbetween 5-20 questions dependent on which exam they download (i`m 
told there are a pool of around 500 Q`s which go to make up a 65 Q 
exam)...so know it Well...all what diff machines can run it 
...LG,4xx6,5,6...
a few STP ...but no dwelling again...
Ermm...it was only 3 weeks ago ...but i passed routing on sat so mind`s a 
blank

HTH


STEVE

>From: "Phantom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: MCMSN question
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:34:54 +0200
>
>Hi group
>
>I'm studying for BCMSN. Could anyone give me some tips for this one. How
>much do they ask on MLS and HSRP. What are the hot spots.
>
>Thanks
>
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Re: CIT question

[Stephen Skinner]

what i think you are saying is a bit off the mark.

let me try and explain what i THINk your saying.

you said
>I am reading for the CIT exam and I saw something in the book
>that seems alittle bit strange:
>It says that in the   sh int serial 2/3command the bandwidth =
>parameter is
>used to compute IGRP metrics only.
>Does this means that we don't care (if we don't play with IGRP

under the sh int serial command the bandwidth statment says the total 
bandwidth availible out that port if under igrp you only have a 256k 
line connecting to this port ...AND you use the bandwidth command to say use 
50% it will use 50% of what the serial port is set to .in this case 2048 
(50% of this is 1024)

>Does this means that we don't care (if we don't play with IGRP

depends
OSPF...EIGRP...IGRP iwould say yes we do .
BGP.. i would say not really (but i know i`m going to get shouted at for 
saying that)
RIP...`course not

>what is =
>the speed=20
>of the connected line? Lets say that if we have an E1 line and the BW is =
>256kbps,
>the interface will play on 2048kbps ?
>I think that it will play on 256kbps.

i`ve never heard of this "speed" command "bandwidth" YES..so i`m afraid i 
can`t comment ...

ANYONE.

HTH steve


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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: CIT question
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:47:26 +0200
>
>Hi all,
>
>I am reading for the CIT exam and I saw something in the book
>that seems alittle bit strange:
>It says that in the   sh int serial 2/3command the bandwidth =
>parameter is
>used to compute IGRP metrics only.
>Does this means that we don't care (if we don't play with IGRP) what is =
>the speed=20
>of the connected line? Lets say that if we have an E1 line and the BW is =
>256kbps,
>the interface will play on 2048kbps ?
>I think that it will play on 256kbps.
>I am a little bit comfused.
>Any help?
>
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Re: Log message from Cat4006

[Stephen Skinner]

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/34.shtml

is a fix for the problem..although i haven`t tested it

HTH steve

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>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:47:00 +0800
>
>Hi
>
>Anyone can advise on the following message from a Cat 4006 switch ?
>
>%SYS-4-P2_WARN: 1/Filtering Ethernet MAC address of value zero from agent
>host table interface
>
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Re: Azlan CCIE training UK

[Stephen Skinner]

hello,

there a two trainer`s that i know who run these classes.
Mike Reid and John berry

Mike has been CCIE for 5 yrs + teaches SEC + VOIP ..and has a tendancy to 
know everything.he was recently asked by BT to write some 
questions for there internal BGP accreditionand has a tendency to box 
your ears...by making it as hard as possible without killing you.

0John is the same but has been a CCIE for 7+ yrs he teaches 
SEC+VOIP+SNA-IP.and has a tendency to push you in the cCIE lab as far as 
you can go...

"i wont of them will make it easy..becuase the lab isn`t easy.

So i you don`t want to waste you moneystudy hard before you come"

those are his words.

they have both been a great help to me in my study`s (i don`t work there i 
just seem to spend most of my time there)

regards

steve

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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Azlan CCIE training UK
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:22:44 -
>
>Hi all, has any one any experience of the CCIE R&S training program Azlan
>provide. I would like feed back as to the quality of the training and it's
>relevance.
>
>Cheers Ged Bowey CCNP.
>
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RE: Azlan CCIE training UK

[Stephen Skinner]

ASH,

they do 2 one week labs which cost 1700 quid EACH.
they take place in london and wokingham ...i recon wokingham is the best 
location as that is where there head office is and where john berry works.

are they worth it?

Well it depends ...there are usually between 4-6 people on it and he will 
work you as hard as you can work.most people i spoke to found it an 
eye-opener because they thought they knew more than they did...
(when he breaks the lab he is nastyto make it as real as possible).

my advise take one week ...but prep before you go so you end up getting the 
most out of it(know the theory inside and out ...then you can concentrate on 
picking his brain) one group got stuck on day two because he changed an 
ip and no-one noticed

I intend going soon ..if i can (long story) for at least a week what i 
intend doing is take 2 weeks of .1st week study.hands-on at home 
...second week...lab that way i get the most out of it...

i hope this helps

steve

>From: "Ash Aslam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Stephen Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Azlan CCIE training UK
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:23:30 -
>
>Hi Stephen,
>
>Any ideas how much these CCIE classes cost and the duration?
>
>Also are they worth the cost in your opinion?
>
>Thanks,
>Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Stephen Skinner
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:57 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Azlan CCIE training UK
>
>
>
>hello,
>
>there a two trainer`s that i know who run these classes.
>Mike Reid and John berry
>
>Mike has been CCIE for 5 yrs + teaches SEC + VOIP ..and has a tendancy to
>know everything.he was recently asked by BT to write some
>questions for there internal BGP accreditionand has a tendency to box
>your ears...by making it as hard as possible without killing you.
>
>0John is the same but has been a CCIE for 7+ yrs he teaches
>SEC+VOIP+SNA-IP.and has a tendency to push you in the cCIE lab as far 
>as
>you can go...
>
>"i wont of them will make it easy..becuase the lab isn`t easy.
>
>So i you don`t want to waste you moneystudy hard before you come"
>
>those are his words.
>
>they have both been a great help to me in my study`s (i don`t work there i
>just seem to spend most of my time there)
>
>regards
>
>steve
>
> >From: "Ged Bowey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Ged Bowey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Azlan CCIE training UK
> >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:22:44 -
> >
> >Hi all, has any one any experience of the CCIE R&S training program Azlan
> >provide. I would like feed back as to the quality of the training and 
>it's
> >relevance.
> >
> >Cheers Ged Bowey CCNP.
> >
> >
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Re: Tragedy of the Commons (was Thought youd enjoy this

[Stephen Skinner]

i wouldn`t bother ,lauren.once they decide you have done wrong...then 
you have done wrong.it doesn`t seem to matter if your gulity(me) or 
innocent(you)...

regards steve


>From: Lauren Child <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Tragedy of the Commons (was Thought youd enjoy this
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:47:12 +
>
>Ray Mosely wrote:
> >
> > I read a bit of callousness in Lauren's approach,
> > but I agree with the general idea Lauren proposes.
> > I have sent out similar emails to people who waste
> > my time, instead of doing a bit of research.  I also
> > oppose the use of "shorthand" english in public emails.
> > It is offputting, so I tend to ignore those people
> > entirely.
> >
>
>Thank you, yes I was callous, but I was in a callous mood and am getting
>pretty fed up with people grabbing my address of usenet instead of
>posting to usenet and keeping the pasture going.  Personally I think I
>have the right to get fed up when this is happenning a lot.
>
>Theres a difference between sharing a pasture, and half a dozen sheep
>running over and pestering you asking you personally to "please pass the
>grass", as they cant be bothered to bend over.
>
>If he'd tried a search engine and/or posted to a group or listserv that
>he needed help, then Id have *volunteered* my help, as I have done many
>times before.
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Re: OSPF config

[Stephen Skinner]

Hi ,
Can i ask ??

but i thought that the null0 int was always up (i.e loopback fashion)
so what is the point of putting the second null0 statement???

Confused...(but thick enough to be happy)

steve

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>Subject: Re: OSPF config
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:43:14 -0800 (PST)
>
>I would say it will always go through, since null0 is
>always up. The route-map will perform the actions
>specified if the match conditions are all true. The
>second null0 is a second interface to match against if
>first one is down/unavailabe.
>
>if you had:
>
>route-map test perm 10
>   match interface s0 s1
>   set ip next-hop x.x.x.x
>
>if s0 is down, but s1 is up then the next-hop will be
>changed. If s1 was also down then nothing would be
>changed and normal routing would occur.
>
>
>--- Jon Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > There's a route map for an OSPF configuration I'm
> > working on that has a
> > line:
> >
> > match interface Null0 Null0
> >
> > Does this mean match any interface or no interface?
> > I can't get any
> > information from cisco.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?

[Stephen Skinner]

that`s funny i`m currnetly 18 mnthsccnp(3/4) and CCNA/DA.did my CCNA when i 
was still in my mum`s womb.Does that make me to young???
 
You know it`s hard to impress people in interview`s when you mess your shorts,and 
keep dribbling...but i`ll keep trying
 
regards
 
stewveThat`s 

>From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "rtc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "CISCO 
GROUPSTUDY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff? 
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:13:53 -0600 
> 
>Rtc, 
> 
>I bought my first computer a little over three years ago and I passed 
my 
>CCIE written this week. I am 45. Try networking a little bit. If it 
>arouses the same fascination in you that it does in most of the 
subscribers 
>to this list, then your mind will grow sharper and more powerful the 
further 
>you go. 
> 
>Good luck, 
>Dave Swink 
> 
>-Original Message- 
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
>rtc 
>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:31 PM 
>To: Cisco; CISCO GROUPSTUDY; CISCO GROUPSTUDY; Cisco 
>Cc: CISCO GROUPSTUDY 
>Subject: what is the average age of people in this stuff? 
> 
> 
> I'm 40--am I getting too old for this stuff? Cant remember anything 
worth a 
>damn, 
>especially the commands nd command syntax 
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RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?

[Stephen Skinner]

you know...
When i started in computer`s the ZX81 was classed as "GROOVY"
...and the IOS had no bugs in it !
AGE = UNIMPORTANTEXPERIENCE = EVERYTHING
LIST = FRIENDS

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>To: "'Denis A. Baldwin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff? 
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:43:23 - 
> 
>I agree with that point. I work in a company and i always find them 
saying i 
>am not experienced enough. I started of at 17.5 years and i am 22 now. 
I 
>have my cne(4.11 and 5) MCSE(not that it's valid that much), Master 
>CNE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP and CCIE written is almost complete. I have designed 
and 
>implemented networks consisting with upto 20 GSR and 10 6509, and done 
a lot 
>on the troubleshooting area as a testing engineer. I have used 
equipment 
>from smartbits to generate specific protocols traffic and see the 
network 
>effects and much much more. But my manager says that he knows how 
capable i 
>am and only gives me basic paper work like get this signed and finish 
the 
>document etc. If i provide any solution they say i do not understand 
whats 
>going on currently. And can you guess which company this is  look 
at my 
>email address and that should be enough. 
> 
>Any way i am moving to somewhere where they understand that i am ok and 
will 
>not be doing pure paper work. 
> 
>Jayesh Patel 
> 
> 
>-Original Message- 
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
>Denis A. Baldwin 
>Sent: 26 February 2001 18:32 
>To: 'Robert Padjen'; 'Dale Frohman'; 'Mel Chandler PMI' 
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff? 
> 
> 
>I find myself in much of the same situation Dale is in. At 20, I am 
busting 
>with energy most of the time. I know how to fix the problems and I have 
the 
>desire to, but I often get the "you're not old enough and experienced 
>enough" excuse from people who haven't seen my work. A lot of people 
assume 
>that experience and ability comes with age. I agree with that point to 
a 
>degree. However, I know a lot of teenagers who are brilliant and a lot 
of 
>people in their 40s who don't have sense enough to get out of the rain. 
:-) 
> 
>Denis 
> 
> 
>Denis A. Baldwin - Network Administrator 
>A+ / Network + / I-Net+ / MCP 
> 
> 
>-Original Message- 
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
>Robert Padjen 
>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:17 PM 
>To: Dale Frohman; Mel Chandler PMI 
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff? 
> 
> 
>Contrary to Mr. Reagan, sometimes youth is a positive. 
>I have two years on Mel, and I'm just finally getting 
>out of the 'you're so young...' Govern your enthusiasm 
>and impatience in meetings and kick (*$. 
> 
> 
>--- Dale Frohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: 
> > If they think you are young, they will probably 
> > think I am still a baby 
> > being only 19. I have my CCNA, 1/4 CCNP and 
> > actively seeking MCSE 2k. I 
> > also have an AA degree and also seeking my bachelor 
> > degree in computer 
> > science. I plan on getting my CCIE within the next 
> > few years. I have 
> > worked with an internet company for more than three 
> > years now. I have 
> > been told that I am impatient and immature, but I am 
> > not one to just sit 
> > around. If anyone can help me dispel some of these 
> > notions I would be 
> > greatly thankful. Also if someone veterans can give 
> > some pointers/tips on 
> > how to make it in this industry, that would also be 
> > helpful. I hope all 
> > this hard work pays off! 
> > 
> > Dale 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Mel Chandler PMI wrote: 
> > 
> > > I'm 29 and all I ever hear about is how young I am 
> > (I guess youth is 
> > > automatically associated with inexperience) But 
> > I've been around. I've 
> > > done a four year tour in the Navy in the Advanced 
> > Electronics field as a 
> > > Sonar Technician on a Submarine. I've worked for 
> > some fortune 500 companies 
> > > like Airtouch, IBM, Boeing, AST, Bergen Brunswick. 
> > I have some certs to 
> > > back me up, but no matter what I do, it just never 
> > seems to be enough... Oh 
> > > well, maybe after I have a PhD and CCIE I'll get 
> > someone to listen to me. 
> > > 
> > > Mel L. Chandler, A+, Network+, MCNE, MCP+I, MCSE, 
> > CCNA 
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Network Analyst 
> > > Information Services 
> > > PMI Delta Dental 
> > > (562) 467-6627 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message- 
> > > From: John Hardman 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 9:30 AM 
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Subject: Re: what is the average age of people in 
> > this stuff? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > LOL! 
> > > 
> > > I am 36, and have the same problem, thank Cisco 
> > that they put a ? in the 
> > > IOS. 
> > > 
> > > Don't worry about it, most of the p

Re: Connection Options in the UK.

[Stephen Skinner]

Hello,

First of all your not limited to BT.
I use colt telecoms all the time, and not only are they cheeper,but they are 
more reliable.

I think you should forget dial-up...they are so expensive(if you are not 
using them for a back-up link).

Thet last time i requested services(new install) from colt Aug last 
year,they quoted me for a 2meg leased line(if your going to have video/music 
it would be best).
Price comparison
Colt ..install £1000 year line rental(no call charges) £3,800
BT   ..install £2800 year line rental (no cal charges) £3,900

Bt ..install in 2-3 months ...colt 1-4 weeks

the reason i say leased line is because of 3 reasons ..

1 if you go for a permernant connection instead of a dial-up , you DO get 
better speed/throuhput,i am working at Exxon/Mobil(leaving in a week or so) 
and we have a permanent 2meg leased line ,with isdn 30 backup(full 30 
channels) and we notice at least a 5-10% drop-off in speed when we change to 
the back-up..(the BT line is constantly going up and down at the mo)
2 frame-relay is quite expensive to install ,and dosen`t matter who you buy 
it from ,it will come from BT.
3 ATM is FAR to expensive for anything less than 100 meg.

It may seem expensive but the benifit you get from being permenant is that 
you traffic is QOS`d with all the other buisness traffic.when on dial-up you 
get QOS`d with all that traffic..
QOS basic is when BT or Colt prioratise traffic as to who is important .
The business stuff comes first and the SOHO/Home stuff comes second (or 
sometimes 4/5th).

HTH

steve


>From: "Stuart J Pittwood" Reply-To: "Stuart J Pittwood" To: Subject: 
>Connection Options in the UK. Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:55:12 -
>
>Hi,
>
>Just after a little advice.
>
>We currently have a 4 BRI Channels to provide internet access & email to 
>about 200 Users.
>
>This, as you can imagine is a touch slow at peek times. We have caching 
>servers at our end to try to help this (which it does), but we need 
>somthing faster.
>
>We use no audio or video yet (but it will happen in the next 12 months)
>
>We dont have access to BTs ADSL service (if it actually exists, i've seen 
>very little evidence and BT will not give me a date for when we will have 
>it).
>
>What other connection options do we have? and are we stuck with BT 
>providing these services?
>
>BTs web site is less than helpful to say the least.
>
>I'm quite new to this stuff so any help/advice/pointers is/are greatly 
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance __ Stuart J Pittwood, CCNA 
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Re: CIT for CCNP 2.0

[Stephen Skinner]

I used the Support exam cram book ..Very good resourceand 2 weeks of 
study.passed on sat with an OK-ish 759.

steve


>From: "Igor Glavanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: CIT for CCNP 2.0
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:51:35 +1100
>
>I think you should use Cisco Internetwork troubleshooting ISBN: 157800922
>
>Cheers
>
>Igor Glavanic
>
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Re: VLANS and DHCP

[Stephen Skinner]

or you coould use the DDHCP function of win 2k it does what is discribed 
below with multiple dhcp servers

>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: VLANS and DHCP
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:58:36 -0500
>
> >Hi,
> >One more trivial thing: When you decide to deploy more than two DHCP
> >servers for redundancy, it is necessary to divide each total IP pool
> >allocated to that subnet or scope appropriately. DHCP servers don't
> >communicate with each other, so if you don't take that into account,
> >the chances of overlapping IPs being assigned will be high.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Jaeheon
>
>
>True of basic DHCP.  The more advanced address management products on
>the market, however, both register DHCP assignments with dynamic DNS,
>and have formal database synchronization across multiple servers.
>Not cheap packages.
>
> >On 1 Mar 2001 13:47:23 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcos Pacheco)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Chris:
> >>
> >>You can use only one server for DHCP purposes, and you
> >>must to enable the ip helper-address option in each of
> >>the interfaces of the router, I mean:
> >>
> >>Int vlan1
> >>ip address ip1 mask1
> >>ip helper-address 
> >>ip helper-address
> >>
> >>
> >>Int vlan2
> >>ip address ip2 mask2
> >>ip helper-address 
> >>ip helper-address
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Int vlann
> >>ip address ipn maskn
> >>ip helper-address 
> >>ip helper-address
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>In this case, we are using two DHCP servers in
> >>different locations (just in failure case), but you
> >>can use one, two, whatever).
> >>
> >>Regards:
> >>Marcos Pacheco.
> >>Routing and Switching CCNP.
> >>
> >>
> >>--- Chris Sees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi?: > HI,
> >>>  Does anyone have suggestions for implementing DHCP
> >>>  in an enterprise
> >>>  environment that wants to use VLAN's (for
> >>>  administratve, regular users,
> >>>  etc. - for security purposes) and DHCP at the same
> >>>  time? It seems like you
> >>>  would need multiple DHCP servers (carefully placed).
> >>>  ?
> >>>  Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Chris
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: OT: Star Wars

[Stephen Skinner]

in the star-wars Episode 4 he dissolves the council Governor Tarkin says 
so .


all he needs to do is make sure that Anakin turns
and all we NEED to see at the end of the film is Obi leaving with or without 
the kids

that what the introduction (Star-wars Scoller)is for

but i think we should discuss the rest of this in private as to not annoythe 
rest of the list...

steve

>From: "W. Alan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "W. Alan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: OT: Star Wars
>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:05:44 -0500
>
>Understand this...  I am a Star Wars freak.
>
>I haven't a clue how Lucas is going to pull this off...
>
>Here are the timetable problems that he faces:
>
>Anakin obviously has to grow up and undergo Jedi training.  He also has to 
>fight
>in the 'Clone Wars' along with Kenobi and the rest of the Jedi.  He needs 
>to
>mature to the point where he can develop the love interest with Queen 
>Amadala
>(Luke and Leia's mother).
>
>Presumably, all of this must happen in the Second Movie, because by the 
>time
>Episode III is completed, Amadala must be pregnant, Anakin must have his
>accident and be lost to the dark side, and Kenobi must secret Amadala away 
>to
>have the twins.  Luke has to be delivered to Owen and Beru on Tatooine, and 
>Leia
>must be taken to Bail Organa on Alderaan.
>
>Vader must also become Senator Palpatine's servant, Palpatine must dissolve 
>the
>Senate, annointing himself Emperor, and together, the Emperor and Vader 
>must
>conduct the great Jedi purge.
>
>These are simply the storylines which reasonably must be satisfied based on 
>what
>we know to be History from the Episode IV, V, and VI perspective.
>
>Of course, some people think I take this all too seriously.
>
>Alan
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>
>- Original Message -
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>To: "Justin Emilio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Z" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:14 AM
>Subject: Re: Star Wars
>
>
> > No No No I want him to turn at the end of II. Like
> > the dark twist in Empire with Luke/Vader. that's
> > better... :>
> >
> > --- Justin Emilio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I think he will turn to the dark side in Episode
> > > III. George Lucas is going
> > > to make us wait another 3 years to see what we are
> > > waiting for.
> > >
> > >
> > > Justin Emilio
> > > CCNA, CCDA, CSE
> > > MM Internet
> > > 888-654-4971
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Z" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Justin Emilio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Star Wars
> > >
> > >
> > > > You've got to be kidding me...good topic, lol...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > > > This has been an Eyez Only streaming e-mail
> > > broadcast...We are watching.
> > > >
> > > > NetEyez ~ CCNP, CCDA
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Justin Emilio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Star Wars
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Anakin Skywalker going to fall to the
> > > dark side by episode II?
> > > > >
> > > > > Justin Emilio
> > > > > CCNA, CCDA, CSE
> > > > > MM Internet
> > > > > 888-654-4971
> > > > >
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Re: Monitoring Network

[Stephen Skinner]

it depends on your setup .

but as a temporary mesure ...why don`t you download an eval copy of sniffer 
pro 2.5and plug it into switch connected closest to your server`s and 
see what it has to say it can be very informative...and if you like it buy 
it...

the cisco packages are good ...very good ,but maybe a little overpowering to 
start with if i`m looking at a network i use sniffer ...tracking that 
sort of thing...if i want detailed stats on cisco equipment ...then i go for 
works..

But every body does it differently 


Anybody??

hth

steve

>From: "carmelo Garofalo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "carmelo Garofalo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Monitoring Network
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:02:52 +0100
>
>Hi, Guys,
>i have any question for you.
>
>I would know what are the main parameters for measure the network loading 
>in
>an Intranet?
>
>It's right that the main software for the management and monitoring of the
>network , for the Cisco Tecnology, are :
>
>Cisco Works ?
>Cisco NetFlow Analyzer ?
>
>Thanks, for any help that you give me
>
>Regards, Carmelo
>
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RE: Monitoring Network

[Stephen Skinner]

www.sniffer.com

product evaluations ...link on main page
HTH

steve

>From: Fermanis Tim G WANG USAFE CSS/SCOG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Stephen Skinner'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Monitoring Network
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:54:16 +0100
>
>Where do you get sniffer pro 2.5 from?
>
>
>Tim Fermanis
>GCCS System Administrator
>Getronics Government Solutions
>USAFE CSS/SCOG
>DSN: 314-480-3883
>
>  -Original Message-
>From:  Stephen Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent:  Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:24 PM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: Monitoring Network
>
>
>it depends on your setup .
>
>but as a temporary mesure ...why don`t you download an eval copy of sniffer
>pro 2.5and plug it into switch connected closest to your server`s and
>see what it has to say it can be very informative...and if you like it buy
>it...
>
>the cisco packages are good ...very good ,but maybe a little overpowering 
>to
>
>start with if i`m looking at a network i use sniffer ...tracking that
>sort of thing...if i want detailed stats on cisco equipment ...then i go 
>for
>
>works..
>
>But every body does it differently 
>
>
>Anybody??
>
>hth
>
>steve
>
> >From: "carmelo Garofalo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "carmelo Garofalo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Monitoring Network
> >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:02:52 +0100
> >
> >Hi, Guys,
> >i have any question for you.
> >
> >I would know what are the main parameters for measure the network loading
> >in
> >an Intranet?
> >
> >It's right that the main software for the management and monitoring of 
>the
> >network , for the Cisco Tecnology, are :
> >
> >Cisco Works ?
> >Cisco NetFlow Analyzer ?
> >
> >Thanks, for any help that you give me
> >
> >Regards, Carmelo
> >
> >
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Re: ****** Beside Cisco ****** OFF Topic Only Interested Read *****

[Stephen Skinner]

DO YOU MIND..i`m trying to work


>From: "Daawa LilAllah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: ** Beside Cisco ** OFF Topic Only Interested Read *
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:16:28 -
>
>Group,
>
>I know I will get flamed for this but I just want to share this with you.
>It may be Something that you, your friend, or some one you know  looking 
>for
>or want to understand it better.  You may find something that may be 
>helpful
>to you there.
>
>
>http://www.wvu.edu/~truth/lec_ann.htm
>
>http://www.it-is-truth.org/
>
>
>
>A Friend
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>FOR those who wnat to send flames please do so.
>
>
>
>
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Re: setting username and passwords for router logon in telnet

[Stephen Skinner]

conf t

username "username" password "password" simple as that

steve


>From: suaveguru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Tony van Ree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,William Gragido 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: setting username and passwords for router logon in telnet
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 00:56:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>how about the username?
>
>thanks anyway
>--- Tony van Ree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Try
> >
> > this assumes you already have an enable passowrd
> > set.
> >
> >
> >
> > router#(config)line vty 0 4
> > router#(config-line)password (password)
> > router#(config-line)
> >
> > and
> >
> > set the enable password
> > router#(config)enable password (password)
> >
> > All this stuff is available on the Cisco CD and or
> > config manuals.
> >
> > Teunis
> > Hobart, Tasmania
> > Australia.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 06:46:39 PM,
> > suaveguru wrote:
> >
> > > hi anyone
> > >
> > > knows what's the command to set username and
> > password
> > > for router logon for telnet
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > suave guru
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Re: the problem about dialing in the remote network/cisco2620

[Stephen Skinner]

it sounds like you have either a misconfiged (username/password) or 
missconfiged auth ...try changing your config line to "ppp auth chap pap"

see what happens

steve


>From: "cslx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: the problem about dialing in the remote network/cisco2620
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:38:42 +0800
>
>I can't dial in the remote network,when it is saying "it is checking
>username and password",the system tells me that the remote network doesnot
>have response for it,why?
>i use debug ppp auth,debug modem and debug ppp nego,the result is :
>05:15:20: tty1: Modem: IDLE->READY
>05:15:22: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial0/0, changed state to up
>05:15:22: Se0/0 PPP: Treating connection as a dedicated line
>05:15:22: Se0/0 PPP: Phase is ESTABLISHING, Active Open
>05:15:22: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [Closed] id 30 len 24
>05:15:22: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:22: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:22: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:22: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:22: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:23: TTY36: autoconfigure probe started
>05:15:23: TTY38: autoconfigure probe started
>05:15:23: TTY39: autoconfigure probe started
>05:15:23: TTY40: autoconfigure probe started
>05:15:23: TTY35: autoconfigure probe started
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 31 len 24
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:24: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 32 len 24
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:26: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 33 len 24
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:28: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 34 len 24
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:30: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 35 len 24
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:32: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 36 len 24
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:34: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 37 len 24
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:36: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 38 len 24
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:38: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 39 len 24
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:40: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: O CONFREQ [REQsent] id 40 len 24
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: ACCM 0x000A (0x0206000A)
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: AuthProto PAP (0x0304C023)
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: MagicNumber 0xB1850FE1 (0x0506B1850FE1)
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: PFC (0x0702)
>05:15:42: Se0/0 LCP: ACFC (0x0802)
>05:15:42: TTY37: autoconfigure probe started
>05:15:44: Se0/0 LCP: TIMEout: State REQsent
>05:15:44: TTY1: Async Int reset: Dropping DTR
>05:15:44: Se0/0 LCP: State is Listen
>05:15:45: TTY1: DSR was dropped
>05:15:45: tty1: Modem: READY->HANGUP
>05:15:46: %LINK-5-CH

Re: CCSI

[Stephen Skinner]

Hi

First you must have ATTENDED the ICND training course

Second ...you must pass the ccna 2.0 exam with atleast 892

thirdtheir is a two day lab for the instructor`s
(in order to book this lab you have to forward onto them your attend 
certificate and pass mark sheet).this is almost as hard as the CCIE lab 
...mearly because you are scrutinised very carefully...the first day of lab 
you must build a network using IP,IPX,RIP,IGRP,FR,PPP,VTP,VLan,...test it 
works(while bieng asked questions)...
the second day you must present 2 chapters from the CCNA(ICND) course ...one 
you pick ...one they pick...you must get atleast 85% to pass each day
it is hard and they expect you to be able to answer questions in and around 
the equipment you work on ..
it`s tough but know all your commands backwards.

HTH steve

>From: "Abdul K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: CCSI
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:33:28 -0500
>
>Sorry for being out of topic.  Does anyone know how do one proceed in
>getting the Cisco Certified Systems Instructor (CCSI) certification.  I 
>have
>tried to look on the CCO but could not locate any specific information
>regarding this.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Abdul Kadir
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Re: Campus Networks - Real Life???

[Stephen Skinner]

no remember that this is a conseptual model.toy can have all three 
layers in one device ...a 5509 switch with an 48port10/100 (access layer) an 
RSM (a 2600 in disguise ...which can handle distribution layer functions) 
and an ATM card (which is core) all in the same device...it`s just easyier 
to design a network when we use this model.

REMBER that in order to handel dist layer you have to ROUTE...that means 
4000-6000 (RSM)your 2900 dosent have the functionality

HTH steve.CCNA/DA/CCSI/CCNP

>From: "NEO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Campus Networks - Real Life???
>Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:42:31 -0700
>
>Got a question. In the Switch Block, is it really necessary to have a 2900
>Catalyst at the Access and 4x00-6x00 at the Distribution Layer? Can't the
>Access/Dist link be handled in the Switches Fabric? Especially in Smaller
>Campus Networks? Larger Networks would seem to necessitate a Switch at both
>layers connected by Fast Ethernet/Etherchannel/Gig Ethernet depending on 
>the
>bandwidth requirements but certainly not in a small/medium Campus. Am I
>seeing that right?
>--
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>Axient Communications
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RE: Campus Networks - Real Life???

[Stephen Skinner]

Michael worte...

>In addittion to this, all VLAN, VTP and HSRP can likewise be configured 
>with
>this same set up and Multicasting can be handled this way as well, right?

well.if you had vlans between core devices being trunked (VTP) from dist 
to coreyes( I THINK the group will disagree thoough) dist to access 
layer you have Multicast domainsyes...HSRP at the dist level yesnot 
really at the access...as for the coreyes...also that would work for 
redundency

remember it`s not a way to connect buildings together it just helps us 
visualise what needs to be done

>??? Does VLAN config extend to the core? I mean would I in real life ever
config a VLAN over a core to access a device in another building lets 
say???.

CCIE my mate says yes CAN be done...but don`t do it...the idea behind 
Vlan`s is to seperate trafic .why have it running across the core..ONLY 
if you have say a MAN.

core will send whatever data you tell it to send...its upto the dist layer 
to make the decision of what to send (core must be layer 3 
though...multiaccess)otherwise it can`t route(i.e send over ATM FR)


More then likely those Applications would be moved or duplicated in a closer
>location, right? Cisco Press isn't real clear on this, or at least I'm not
>getting it to well! Probably the latter... Thanks!

yes you would find that apps required in both buildings...duped...i.e  
multiple mail servers..

I`m sure that this will be greatly disputed on the list.but in therory 
...as i`ve not done it it COULD be done.BUt what you SHOULD do is stop 
all Vlan`s and the like at the DIST layer

Sorry it`s so vauge...but last time i answered a question like this i was 
shot down on the list...


steve
>From: Michael Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Campus Networks - Real Life???
>Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 06:03:18 -0700
>
>Forgive my reiteration but what your telling me is the The entire
>Heirarchical model can be found in One device just by using Modules? The 
>RSM
>for layer 3 and the ATM card for Core functions. WOW. I thought that might
>be the case but I wasn't sure.
>
>In addittion to this, all VLAN, VTP and HSRP can likewise be configured 
>with
>this same set up and Multicasting can be handled this way as well, right?
>
>??? Does VLAN config extend to the core? I mean would I in real life ever
>config a VLAN over a core to access a device in another building lets 
>say???
>More then likely those Applications would be moved or duplicated in a 
>closer
>location, right? Cisco Press isn't real clear on this, or at least I'm not
>getting it to well! Probably the latter... Thanks!
>
>Michael Garcia
>Axient Communications
>Phn 602-850-3091
>Fax 602-850-4091
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Stephen Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 5:13 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Campus Networks - Real Life???
>
>
>
>no remember that this is a conseptual model.toy can have all three
>layers in one device ...a 5509 switch with an 48port10/100 (access layer) 
>an
>
>RSM (a 2600 in disguise ...which can handle distribution layer functions)
>and an ATM card (which is core) all in the same device...it`s just easyier
>to design a network when we use this model.
>
>REMBER that in order to handel dist layer you have to ROUTE...that means
>4000-6000 (RSM)your 2900 dosent have the functionality
>
>HTH steve.CCNA/DA/CCSI/CCNP
>
> >From: "NEO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "NEO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Campus Networks - Real Life???
> >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:42:31 -0700
> >
> >Got a question. In the Switch Block, is it really necessary to have a 
>2900
> >Catalyst at the Access and 4x00-6x00 at the Distribution Layer? Can't the
> >Access/Dist link be handled in the Switches Fabric? Especially in Smaller
> >Campus Networks? Larger Networks would seem to necessitate a Switch at 
>both
> >layers connected by Fast Ethernet/Etherchannel/Gig Ethernet depending on
> >the
> >bandwidth requirements but certainly not in a small/medium Campus. Am I
> >seeing that right?
> >--
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> >Axient Communications
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Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco (damn!!!)

[Stephen Skinner]

if all else fails we will simply buy juniper and eXtreme.OOPs let the 
cat out of the bag(wouldn`t be the first time) cat 1900/5500...we 
made by other companies first...

bye



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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary  and Cisco (damn!!!)
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:40:31 EST
>
>Cisco Rules the market!!! Simple as that!!! Get off it!!! How bout a
>technical conversation, damn!?!?! --- (drunk)  ;)
>
>Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/2-NP
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  "Even if I knew I had only 1 more week to live, I would still 
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>my CCIE lab. I would just have to work a little harder I guess. After all,
>without any goals in life, I'm dead already."
>~Mark Zabludovsky~
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CIM Expert labs IP

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

Has anyone used this is it any good
195 dollar is a lot to waste
TIA

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EtherChannel and Vlan routing

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

Is this possible:-

I have a 7200 with 6 fast ethernet ports in it.
I have 2 6509`s with fast ethernet ports..

what i want do do is this ,
etherchannel all 6 ports on my 7200 into two groups of three
etherchannel 3 ports on each 6509 into a etherchannel group
create subinterfaces on each CHANNEL on my 7200
route VLAN info between the two 6500`s via the 7200
i now it is possible to do this on an 8510 CSR but what about 7200/6500.

TIA

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Re: Weekend Challenge - Route Aggregation

[Stephen Skinner]

GRP1 143.178.0.0 /19
GRP2 148.233.0.0 /24
GRP3 148.235.0.0 /17
GRP4 148.233.110.0 /19

don`t know if ti`s right but ATLEAST it`s an answer

steve



>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Cisco Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Weekend Challenge - Route Aggregation
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:18:30 -0800
>
>Just sitting around eating some chicken, catching up on my e-mail. I see in
>the Tony Bates CIDR report to the NANOG list there is a reference to
>"interesting aggregations".
>
>http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html#Aggs
>
>Thought some excerpts might make an interesting challenge. To whit, come up
>with the appropriate summarization for the following routes that currently
>appear in the "global internet BGP table"
>
>These are things that caught my eye while browsing the report. I have not
>tried to summarize them myself as yet.
>
>How about it? Take a stab and publish your results? Have some fun?
>
>Group 1
>143.178.0.0/19
>143.178.64.0/19
>143.178.128.0/19
>143.178.140.0/24
>
>Group 2
>148.233.0.0/21
>148.233.1.0/24
>148.233.2.0/24
>148.233.6.0/24
>148.233.8.0/21
>
>Group 3
>148.235.0.0/17
>148.235.2.0/24
>148.235.4.0/23
>148.235.6.0/24
>148.235.8.0/21
>
>Group 4 - the Big Challenge
>148.223.112.0/21
>148.223.120.0/22
>148.223.124.0/24
>148.223.128.0/17
>148.223.128.0/20
>148.223.151.0/24
>148.223.160.0/24
>148.223.176.0/20
>148.223.177.0/24
>148.223.178.0/24
>148.223.192.0/19
>148.223.224.0/23
>148.223.226.0/24
>148.223.249.0/24
>148.223.250.0/24
>148.233.110.0/24
>148.233.112.0/20
>148.233.113.0/24
>148.233.116.0/22
>148.233.120.0/21
>148.233.122.0/24
>148.233.128.0/21
>148.233.128.0/24
>148.233.130.0/24
>148.233.137.0/24
>148.233.140.0/22
>148.233.140.0/24
>148.233.155.0/24
>148.233.156.0/22
>148.233.160.0/20
>148.233.160.0/21
>148.233.164.0/24
>148.233.165.0/24
>148.233.168.0/22
>148.233.175.0/24
>148.233.176.0/20
>
>One way to determine how well we understand aggregation / supernetting /
>CIDR  :->
>
>Chuck
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RE: Access List/EIGRP Problem

[Stephen Skinner]

your access-list is the wrong way round ..you have a deny host any any 
I.E your 0.0.0.0 is treated as a any any  then the permit
if oyu put them the other way round it should work

>From: "Stull, Cory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Stull, Cory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Edward Gomez'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" 
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Access List/EIGRP Problem
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:05:07 -0600
>
>Edward,
>
>Without seeing your whole config we can't be positive but your probably 
>also
>blocking your EIGRP hellos.   You might want to go with distribute-list
>anyway.   Go to cisco.com and lookup distribute-list and go to the link on
>using it with EIGRP.
>
>Good luck
>Cory
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Edward Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:30 AM
>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>Subject: Access List/EIGRP Problem
>
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>I am having an issue with the following access list. I am trying to put an
>ACL on my frame router that can limit which network inside my company a
>partner
>can access. I basically want any traffic coming from 192.168.50.0 to be 
>able
>to go to 192.168.5.0. When I apply the access list nothing gets through.
>If I ping a remote address I get a TTL expired in transit. I am running
>EIGRP between the routers. Do I need to have an access list that allows
>access to the LAN side for EIGRP updates? or is this done via the WAN port?
>What am I doing wrong here??
>
>
>ip access-list extended FrameInbound
>deny   ip host 0.0.0.0 any
>permit ip 192.168.50.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.5.0 0.0.0.255
>
>I have also tried: permit ip 192.168.50.0 0.0.0.255 host 192.168.5.0 and
>that did not work either.
>
>Thanks in advance!!!
>
>Eddie
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Re: confused !!!

[Stephen Skinner]

you can have multiple instances of OSPF on a router ...hence the proccess 
id...(local importance,not sent by OSPF) with eigrp your router is in an 
area  (one only) that you configure you then advertise the configured 
interfaces as networks ...wearas with OSPF you create an area with each 
linki`ll show you a config and see if you can see what i`m tryibg to 
say...

EIGRP

Router EIGRP 200 (as area)

network 195.195.195.3
network 10.1.1.0
(both of these routes will be advertised in area 200 (Please Wait list)

router ospf 200 (local id)

network 1.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 (one area)
network 1.10.11.0 0.0.0.255 area 243 (another area)

using this method you can have Area`s WITHIN area`s which is what i`m trying 
to say... BADLY

i hope this hasen`t confused you more

try this URL: 
http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/design/ospf/on0407.htm

HTH steve



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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: confused !!!
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:57:22 -
>
>Hi folks,
>
>Can you help
>I 'm curently preparing for the BSCN exam which I hope to take end Jan
>beginning Feb. But I seem to be confused on some terminology on OSPF
>configuration. Consider the following line: router ospf 1
>I know 1 is the proccess ID. The problem is how does this differ from the 
>AS
>or area ?
>In contrast, in the following command  router eigrp 200. 200 is the AS
>Is there a reason for this?
>I'll appreciate any help.
>Peace
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Re: CIT Exam

[Stephen Skinner]

Umay apartay unarney.consider yourself blessed

the reverend steve (the holy) skinner

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>Subject: Re: CIT Exam
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:15:20 -0800 (PST)
>
>Wish you the very best of luck with your last exam.
>
>Lita
>
>--- PYF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > nervous  since this is
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Re: So what SHOULD a CCIE know?

[Stephen Skinner]

the first and most important thing is ...NEVER NEVER talk to 
strangerslike those naughty,scary people from Foundry and eXtemeNO 
NO Naughty boy bad boy in your bed.
?
?
?
if we talking about CCIE`s i think they should know what`s is relevant today 
AND more importantly tomorrow...I.E...VPN, Voice over FR/ATM,layer 4 
switching .If no-one is using X25,DLSW,Token ring why waste time 
bieng tested on somthing you may not come across everyday...

2 penny`s worth

steve

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>To: "Cisco Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: So what SHOULD a CCIE know?
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:39:43 -0800
>
>We've all seen a number of comments about the CCIE written and the CCIE 
>Lab,
>regarding content. Most of those comments have been negative.
>
>So, what SHOULD be tested? What SHOULD a CCIE know?
>
>Anyone?
>
>Chuck
>--
>I am Locutus, a CCIE Lab Proctor. Xx_Brain_dumps_xX are futile. Your life 
>as
>it has been is over ( if you hope to pass ) From this time forward, you 
>will
>study US!
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Re: CCIE Prep Lab in the UK

[Stephen Skinner]

Azlan training do one and i happen to know the trainersCCIE 7 yrs 
and is as nasty as the the real proctor(when creating labs) ...which is a 
good thing..

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>Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:33:14 +
>
>CH wrote:
> > Does anyone know of CCIE Prep Labs available in the UK.  Also, if you 
>have
> > experience of the prep lab/company, how do you rate it ?
> >
>
>Theres one at www.horizon-mts.co.uk - I havent tried it though.
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Re: VTP Domain, (again)

[Stephen Skinner]

Make sure you set the Biggest switch as a server,set up your next biggest 
switch as server also .
Set the domain on the Server FIRST.
MAKE sure all VLAN info is correct..BEFORE you setup VTP.
Don`t do it until everyone has gone home (OVERTIME Tee Hee)
make the domain name MEAN somethinghelpfull later .
Check all CDP info beforehand (make sure all switches see eachother...if 
there supposed to).
Store all Vlan info before.MAKE sure you know all about the VLAN`s 
first...
IF you have diffrent info about different Vlan`s on different switches make 
these switches all SERVER`S
DON`T PANIC!!

HTH

steve "AA my god ,  what `s happened to my LAN"

>From: Mingzhou Nie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Mingzhou Nie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: VTP Domain, (again)
>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:36:05 -0500
>
>You can set all switchs as domain server or elect one core switch as server 
>and others
>as clien. Just do set vtp domain 'name' command on each switch. You don't 
>to do
>anything else. The valn name is just like an alias, it doesn't affect the 
>functinality.
>You can not mannual change the VTP revision unless you reboot a VTP server 
>switch.
>
>Hope it helps,
>
>Ming
>
>Wonkyu Lee wrote:
>
> > HI All,
> >
> > The place where I'm working at right now has several vlans and trunking.
> > However, from the beginning, no one turned on the VTP Domain. So 
>whenever I
> > put a new switch into the existing LAN, and setting up a vlan and 
>trunking,
> > I have to add them manually. So I'm thinking I'm enabling the VTP domain 
>on
> > all switches. We have 5500, 5002s, 2900XLs, 3500XLs.
> >
> > So here goes my question..
> >
> > What is the procedure to enable the domain feature ?
> > I know the CLI how to do it, but what should I beware of before I do it?
> > What will happen when the vtp starts to advertising its vlan database to
> > client switches, which have already all the infos stored in manually?
> > Some vlans have their name on one switch(ex, TECH), but the others
> > don't(vlan13)
> > and would it be a problem ?
> > Can i change a VTP revision number manually?
> >
> > Wonkyu Lee
> >
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BSCN Study Guide

[Stephen Skinner]

Please can anyone give a recommendation of which book they think is the best 
STUDY guide for the Exami have Jeff doyle`s book which is cool

Many thanks

steve
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PIM shared tree source tree

[Stephen Skinner]

this is taken from there white paper

The following process describes the move from shared tree to source tree in 
more detail:
1 Receiver joins a group; leaf Router C sends a Join message toward RP.
2 RP puts link to Router C in its outgoing interface list.
3 Source sends data; Router A encapsulates data in Register and sends it to 
RP.
4 RP forwards data down the shared tree to Router C and sends a Join message 
toward Source. At
this point, data may arrive twice at Router C, once encapsulated and once 
natively.
WHY WHY WHY ...it dosent` say why it will arrive nativley.GIT

5 When data arrives natively (unencapsulated) at RP, RP sends a 
Register-Stop message to Router
A.(i can understand that)
6 By default, reception of the first data packet prompts Router C to send a 
Join message toward
Source.
7 When Router C receives data on (S,G),(???) it sends a Prune message 
for Source up the shared tree.
WHY WHY WHY ?

8 RP deletes the link to Router C from outgoing interface of (S,G). RP 
triggers a Prune message
toward Source.
WHY WHY !


AM I MISSING SOMETHING..SORRY IVE BEEN AT IT ALL DAY ...
and my brain now hurts

TIA

steve

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PIM shared tree source tree

[Stephen Skinner]

this is taken from there white paper

The following process describes the move from shared tree to source tree in 
more detail:
1 Receiver joins a group; leaf Router C sends a Join message toward RP.
2 RP puts link to Router C in its outgoing interface list.
3 Source sends data; Router A encapsulates data in Register and sends it to 
RP.
4 RP forwards data down the shared tree to Router C and sends a Join message 
toward Source. At
this point, data may arrive twice at Router C, once encapsulated and once 
natively.
WHY WHY WHY ...it dosent` say why it will arrive nativley.GIT

5 When data arrives natively (unencapsulated) at RP, RP sends a 
Register-Stop message to Router
A.(i can understand that)
6 By default, reception of the first data packet prompts Router C to send a 
Join message toward
Source.
7 When Router C receives data on (S,G),(???) it sends a Prune message 
for Source up the shared tree.
WHY WHY WHY ?

8 RP deletes the link to Router C from outgoing interface of (S,G). RP 
triggers a Prune message
toward Source.
WHY WHY !


AM I MISSING SOMETHING..SORRY IVE BEEN AT IT ALL DAY ...
and my brain now hurts

TIA

steve

S6234


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Re: VTP Domain, (again)

[Stephen Skinner]

why not have two servers and set a priority for each ??...


steve



>From: Robert Padjen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Robert Padjen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Jianfeng Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: VTP Domain, (again)
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:15:26 -0800 (PST)
>
>As we discussed in a subsequent post, I overstated my
>religious positions. Yes, the CatOS will allow all
>members of a domain to be server, but there are issues
>with the domain understanding the 'correct server'
>under specific circumstances. As such, and given no
>real real-time redundancy requirements for the
>protocol, I maintain that only one switch should be
>given server status in the domain and all other
>switches should be made clients.
>
>
>--- Jianfeng Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As I know, you can have more than one VTP servers in
> > a domain and all switches in the
> > domain can be a server. Changes on any server will
> > automatically propagate to all
> > switches in the domain. No changes allowed on a
> > client.
> >
> > Robert Padjen wrote:
> >
> > > Only one switch in a domain can act as the server.
> > All
> > > others must be clients. The recommendation to set
> > up
> > > the 'biggest' switch as a server is OK, however,
> > it is
> > > not really necessary. If it works out, the server
> > > should be the switch closest to the center of the
> > VTP
> > > domain. This will usually have the best/most
> > > connections to the rest of the domain, which will
> > > provide the best, central administration point. I
> > > would also recommend that you standardize on all
> > lower
> > > case or all upper case for the VTP domain name,
> > and
> > > that you actively set version two assuming that
> > all
> > > devices in the domain support it.
> > >
> > > I will note that I know quite a few administrators
> > who
> > > have just gone to transparent mode and forgo VTP.
> > This
> > > seems to be because they've been burned,
> > especially in
> > > the 3.x version of CatOS, which did have some
> > bugs.
> > > I'd recommend using it, but make sure you follow
> > the
> > > rules.
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Make sure you set the Biggest switch as a
> > server,set
> > > > up your next biggest
> > > > switch as server also .
> > > > Set the domain on the Server FIRST.
> > > > MAKE sure all VLAN info is correct..BEFORE you
> > setup
> > > > VTP.
> > > > Don`t do it until everyone has gone home
> > > > (OVERTIME Tee Hee)
> > > > make the domain name MEAN somethinghelpfull
> > > > later .
> > > > Check all CDP info beforehand (make sure all
> > > > switches see eachother...if
> > > > there supposed to).
> > > > Store all Vlan info before.MAKE sure you
> > know
> > > > all about the VLAN`s
> > > > first...
> > > > IF you have diffrent info about different Vlan`s
> > on
> > > > different switches make
> > > > these switches all SERVER`S
> > > > DON`T PANIC!!
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > steve "AA my god ,  what `s happened to my
> > LAN"
> > > >
> > > > >From: Mingzhou Nie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: Mingzhou Nie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: VTP Domain, (again)
> > > > >Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:36:05 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >You can set all switchs as domain server or
> > elect
> > > > one core switch as server
> > > > >and others
> > > > >as clien. Just do set vtp domain 'name' command
> > on
> > > > each switch. You don't
> > > > >to do
> > > > >anything else. The valn name is just like an
> > alias,
> > > > it doesn't affect the
> > > > >functinality.
> > > > >You can not mannual change the VTP revision
> > unless
> > > > you reboot a VTP server
> > > > >switch.
> > > > >
> > > 

Re: Boson vs. Colt ??????

[Stephen Skinner]

I AM ABOUT TO BECOME REALLY UNPOPULARbut i have a crack for ALL the 
BOSON test so you can get the FULL version for FREE.

anybody!..

Sorry priscilla


>From: "John Huston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:27:53 -0600
>
>Buy all of the Boson tests for the subject test that you are going to take
>test your knowledge.  The COLT tests are poorly written but will help you
>with the "flavor" of the actual Cisco certification exam.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>""Rah Sta"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > To All,
> >
> > Which practice exams are better for CCNP, Boson or Colt? Example: BCRAN
> > Opinions appreciated. Thanks
> >
> >
> >  Raheem
> > _
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Re: Boson vs. Colt ??????

[Stephen Skinner]

WEll WELL WELL.what a hornet`s nest i have stirred up..(still no 
chuck or pris or paul)SORRY guys but the I`s have it with 78 
Mails...wanting it and only 8 Mails condeming it .

You give me one good reson not to and i won`t 

By the way you can find it yourself it`s on the webBabY!!! (quick 
clue).

regards

steve (no personal regard for anyone but ME)


>From: "Gautam Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
>Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:08:59 +0530
>
>Hi stephen
>i dont mind
>
>Gautam
>
>Stephen Skinner wrote:
>
> > I AM ABOUT TO BECOME REALLY UNPOPULARbut i have a crack for ALL the
> > BOSON test so you can get the FULL version for FREE.
> >
> > anybody!..
> >
> > Sorry priscilla
> >
> > >From: "John Huston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "John Huston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:27:53 -0600
> > >
> > >Buy all of the Boson tests for the subject test that you are going to 
>take
> > >test your knowledge.  The COLT tests are poorly written but will help 
>you
> > >with the "flavor" of the actual Cisco certification exam.
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >""Rah Sta"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > To All,
> > > >
> > > > Which practice exams are better for CCNP, Boson or Colt? Example: 
>BCRAN
> > > > Opinions appreciated. Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Raheem
> > > > _
> > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> > > >
> > > > _
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Re: Boson vs. Colt ??????

[Stephen Skinner]

do you know ,you have "i need a MAN" as clear a day Printed on your 
forehead...

BTW it appears someone beat me to it..nevermind hey..Maybe boson 
will update there protection now hey!!!


love and kisses ..steve

>From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Cisco Group Study 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
>Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:54:54 -
>
>So, you are attempting to stir things up, is that it??  You are purposely
>trying to annoy people who want to learn here??  And who are teaching 
>others??
>I am not implying this; I am merely stating your own words...How sad that 
>you
>have no regard for yourself and yet you sign your e-mail...regards...
>
>You appear to be full of double talk and disrespect for people you could
>learn from.  Whatever you do, you should go ahead and do it and leave this
>group to their business and quit trying to get a rise out of people so you
>can sit and laugh from your chair at home or work or whereever you are.
>
>What you do is your own business, but someone who has no regards for
>themselves needs to work on that issue and try and find some happiness in
>their lives that is not based on the opinions or thoughts of another.  We
>only have to live with ourselves and our own self-respect.  Without that, I
>would think someone would have a pretty miserable existance.
>
>I am not saying anything about the rightness or the wrongness of supplying
>codes or whatever.  That is not my issue.  That's a personal thing that
>shouldn't concern anyone but yourself and who you do your business with.  
>But
>the way you are going about things appears to be based on some other motive
>like "trying" to get a rise out of people", who probably have better things
>to do than waste their time replying to someone such as the likes of you.  
>I
>just happen to have more time on my hands
>
>
>Jennifer Cribbs
>
>Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >
> > WEll WELL WELL.what a hornet`s nest i have stirred up..(still no
> > chuck or pris or paul)SORRY guys but the I`s have it with 78
> > Mails...wanting it and only 8 Mails condeming it .
> >
> > You give me one good reson not to and i won`t 
> >
> > By the way you can find it yourself it`s on the webBabY!!! 
>(quick
> > clue).
> >
> > regards
> >
> > steve (no personal regard for anyone but ME)
> >
> >
> > >From: \"Gautam Gupta\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: Stephen Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
> > >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:08:59 +0530
> > >
> > >Hi stephen
> > >i dont mind
> > >
> > >Gautam
> > >
> > >Stephen Skinner wrote:
> > >
> > > > I AM ABOUT TO BECOME REALLY UNPOPULARbut i have a crack for ALL 
>the
> > > > BOSON test so you can get the FULL version for FREE.
> > > >
> > > > anybody!..
> > > >
> > > > Sorry priscilla
> > > >
> > > > >From: \"John Huston\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: \"John Huston\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
> > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:27:53 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >Buy all of the Boson tests for the subject test that you are going 
>to
> > >take
> > > > >test your knowledge.  The COLT tests are poorly written but will 
>help
> > >you
> > > > >with the \"flavor\" of the actual Cisco certification exam.
> > > > >
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >\"\"Rah Sta\"\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > To All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which practice exams are better for CCNP, Boson or Colt? 
>Example:
> > >BCRAN
> > > > > > Opinions appreciated. Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Raheem
> > > > > > 
>_
> > > > &g

Re: BCMSN - ATM?

[Stephen Skinner]

There is no ATM on the test .

i took it last week and this is what i got

MLS
INTERVLAN routing
SEt based questions
IOS based questions.ie what command on an IOS/SET based switch 
does...ETC
3 layer design
what switch is best suited where
diff layers what CAN happen at each layerbe carefull a couple of tricky 
ones
1 subnetting question? why i don`t know (how many hosts/subnets (blah 
blah)
HSRP ..a few
Multicasting ..a few

good luck

and buy the switching Exam Cram book it IS the best...

steve





>From: STRAND Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: STRAND Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Bradley J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: BCMSN - ATM?
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:10:45 -0500
>
>I had no ATM on my test.
>
>--Scott
>CCNP
>
>"Bradley J. Wilson" wrote:
>
> > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN?  The .pdf file on the Cisco
> > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither of the 
>two
> > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram
> > book) have any ATM in it.
> >
> > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed
> > down, please??"
> >
> > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > BJ
> >
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Re: Question about ISL and 802.1Q encapsulation

[Stephen Skinner]

isl only expandes it while its in the switch network ...ie switch to switch 
...when it reaches its port of destination it strips the isl just wanted 
to be sure...


steve (cockney friend...etc.etc)

>From: Thomas Peroutka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Dove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: Question about ISL and 802.1Q encapsulation
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:33:46 +0200
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>Hallo Dove,
>
>Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 8:28:21 AM, you wrote:
>
>D> Hi,
>
>D> I have a question about ISL and 802.1Q encapsulation/tagging. As I know, 
>ISL
>D> will encapsulate a frame with adding 26 bytes to header and 4 bytes to
>D> trailer; and 802.1Q will modify the existing header and add 4 bytes to 
>it.
>D> My question is: if the frame is already in its maximum size (i.e. 1,518
>D> byte), after ISL or 802.1Q encapsulation/tagging, the frame size will be
>D> greater than the ethernet maximum size. Will it cut the frame into 2 
>parts
>D> or ignore the frame size checking?
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>ISL expands the frame size whereas 802.1Q puts its header in the
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Re: Data Link / Windowing

[Stephen Skinner]

I`m going to attempt to answer your question..bare with me
first the windowing mechanism i take it you mean the LLC sublayer? ..i have 
heard of analogys that in the LLC layer that the SSAP`s and DSAP`s (source 
and destination acess points) are like windows or hooks into the higher 
levels ...but i have never heard of the windowing mechanism.
also any retranmission/sequence errors within the TCP/IP stack is done by
1 the physical layerCSMA/CD or
2 the transport layer...flow control
Do you mean the FCS/CRC ...as this ius a checksum that is checked at each 
level of encap

It sound to me that your describing CSMA/CD but i`m not sure

if you mean the FCS/CRC (frame check sequence/Checksum)
then the answer is at all 7 "layers"
if you mean windowing and sequence checking that happens at the transport 
layer.

i am confused by yuor question as i have never heard of it...but please (and 
list) tell me if i am totally misunderstanding the question...

sorry if it`s wrong

steve


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>Subject: Data Link / Windowing
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:41:48 -0700
>
>Regarding the windowing mechanism, a Data Link layer feature:
>
>Three types of retransmissions may occur to correct sequence errors:
>
>Go Back to N, Selective Repeat and Stop and Wait.
>
>Do you know in which circumstances the method above will be applied ?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Billy
>
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FRS 2.0 objectives and help

[Stephen Skinner]

Hello group

Please can you help!

i wiwhs to take the above exam and wish to find some info on it..
the cisco site hasn`t got anything so if anyone knows where:-

1 I GET THE EXAM OBJECTIVES LIST
2 AN EXAM CRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR

many thanks

steve
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RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

[Stephen Skinner]

Sorry to be a pain


let me see if i have this correct...

routing protocols do the following

manage links
exchange data
route packet
update each other

what his instructor is saying is that some of these functions work at 
different "layers" of the OSI model...YES i know i shouldn`t be using that 
as a reference but for this argument i will...sorry...
so tell me OSPFwhat "layers" would the above function be compared to

please .i have a major headache now as i thought i knew it

steve   CCIE... CCSI...  C.C. Senior`

my little joke



>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:11:34 -0500
>
>Your instructor is one of the all-too-large group of people who try
>to coerce things into a simplistic OSI model. Priscilla calls this
>coercing protocols into OSI layers. It's really not the fault of OSI,
>because there are documents that supplement the original model, such
>as the Rout(e)ing Framework, Internal Organization of the Network
>Layer, Management Annex, etc.
>
>The OSI stack principally was drawn to show how standard
>communications service user applications, which run on top of the
>service interface to the application layer. Management was something
>of an afterthought, and what is called system management -- think
>SNMP, or the OSI rough equivalent, CMIP -- does indeed involve an
>application layer protocol and a management application above it.
>
>Routing, error notification, etc., are considered layer management.
>There is nothing "above" them; they are part of the infrastructure
>for a given layer. So,all of them are logically layer 3.
>
>The issue of the mechanism they use to transfer information between
>them is independent of the layer they manage.  In Chuck's table
>below, EIGRP and OSPF do have transport functions that are part of
>their own design--which have a TCP-like flavor. For that matter, ISIS
>runs directly over data link.
>
>>Recently an instructor in a class I was taking said something I found
>>interesting. I hope I can do justice to his words.
>>
>>Network layer:IP  IP   IP
>>Transport layer: TCP UDP
>>Application layer:  BGPRIP EIGRP, OSPF, IGRP
>>
>>In other words, he suggested that routing protocols are application layer,
>>and use the chosen transport or network layer protocols to communicate.
>>Other reading I have done kinda says this in other ways. RIP uses UDP port
>>500. BGP, as we all know, uses TCP.
>>
>>Does this make sense?
>>
>>Chuck
>
>A post I made yesterday might help:
>At 4:16 PM -0500 11/10/2000, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>>At 12:22 PM -0800 11/10/2000, Julian Eccli wrote:
>>>Does anyone know the definition of Control Plane from a generic
>>>routing protocol
>>>standpoint?  Is it the same definition as in ATM?  I have heard 
>>>references to
>>>control planes in various talks but they were not specific to ATM.
>>>
>>
>>Unfortunately, it isn't as well-specified in IP routing as in the
>>B-ISDN/ATM architecture.  Many IP discussions merge what that
>>architecture calls the control and management plane.
>>
>>Personally, I think merging the two is rather unfortunate.  In IP
>>networks, I consider control plane protocols those that are used for
>>signaling between hosts and ingress/egress routers.  Examples:  ARP,
>>IGMP.  Another way to think about them is that they serve a
>>user-to-network role.
>>
>>I consider pure management plane protocols to those used between
>>routers:  BGP, OSPF, EIGRP, RIP, etc.  Arguably, these have a
>>network-to-network role.
>>
>>There are protocols that don't neatly fit, such as RSVP and ICMP.  I
>>suppose they are control plane when host initiated and management
>>plane when router initiated, but that doesn't always work and is
>>ugly anyway.
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Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

[Stephen Skinner]

you know ,
if i`d have known what totally brain-bending answers i was going to get back 
.i would have run to the hills!

ANYWAY ...thanks for the info..

steve

>From: Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:02:03 -0800
>
>You gotta love the airline industry. &;-)
>
>"Many people on board the aircraft were quite upset that there was a large
>uncontrollable pig on board, especially those in the first-class cabin,"
>the incident report stated.
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 04:46 PM 11/11/00, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>>>Routing protocols have network-layer functionality, regardless of whether
>>>they use an IP header, IP/UDP header, IP/BGP header, or no header at all
>>>above the MAC header (IS-IS) to transfer their information.
>>>
>>>If we can't agree that routing protocols have network-layer
>>>functionality, we should just throw in the towel and agree that pigs have
>>>wings.
>>>
>>>Priscilla
>>
>>Do proxy wings count?
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/10/27/when.pigs.fly.ap/
>
>
>
>
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Re: Cat5000, BayStack350 and 802.1q trunking

[Stephen Skinner]

there isn`t a mistake as such ...spanning tree cisco version PVST does 
NOT work with other variants..ie ieee spanning tree...
what you need to do is
1 either use a cisco router for trunking OR use PVST+ which is compatible 
with non cisco eqiupment


check cisco.com for more info


steve

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>To: "'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Cat5000, BayStack350 and 802.1q trunking
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:15:41 +0200
>
>Hi all
>
>I am trying to connect a Catalyst 5505 and a BayStack350 using a 802.1q
>trunk.
>My setting are the following. It doesn't work . The only configuration 
>which
>works is when
>I put Disable on STP Learning (see below) in BayStack config. I really need
>STP for both of them.
>I cannot disable it !
>
>Catalyst trunking ports : 2/18, 2/19
>Where is the mistake ?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Cristian Piatnitchi
>
>Cat5505*
>**
>
>set vlan 1 name default type ethernet mtu 1500 said 11 state active
>
>#spantree
>#uplinkfast groups
>set spantree uplinkfast disable
>#backbonefast
>set spantree backbonefast disable
>#vlan 1
>set spantree enable 1
>set spantree fwddelay 151
>set spantree hello2 1
>set spantree maxage   201
>set spantree priority 4000  1
>
>
>
>clear trunk 2/18 2-1005
>set trunk 2/18 nonegotiate dot1q 1
>clear trunk 2/19 2-1005
>set trunk 2/19 nonegotiate dot1q 1
>
>set spantree portfast2/17-24 disable
>
>
>
>Port  Mode Encapsulation  StatusNative vlan
>  ---  -    ---
>  2/18 nonegotiate  dot1q  trunking  1
>  2/19 nonegotiate  dot1q  trunking  1
>
>BAyStack
>Configuration*
>
>   MultiLink Trunk Configuration
>
>Trunk Trunk Members   STP Learning   Trunk ModeTrunk
>Status
>- ---  ---
>
>   1   [  /23 ][  /24 ][  /   ][  /   ] [ Eanbled  ]  Basic  [
>Enabled  ]
>   2   [  /   ][  /   ][  /   ][  /   ] [ Normal   ]  Basic  [
>Disabled ]
>   3   [  /   ][  /   ][  /   ][  /   ] [ Normal   ]  Basic  [
>Disabled ]
>   4   [  /   ][  /   ][  /   ][  /   ] [ Normal   ]  Basic  [
>Disabled ]
>   5   [  /   ][  /   ][  /   ][  /   ] [ Normal   ]  Basic  [
>Disabled ]
>   6   [  /   ][  /   ][  /   ][  /   ] [ Normal   ]  Basic  [
>Disabled ]
>
>
>
>  VLAN Configuration
>
>Create VLAN:  [1 ]
>Delete VLAN:  [  ]
>VLAN Name:[ VLAN #1 ]
>
>   Port Membership
> 1-6   7-12 13-18 19-24
>--------
>  Unit #1   UUUUUUTT
>
>
> VLAN Port Configuration
>
>
>
>   Port:[ 23  ]
>   Filter Tagged Frames:[ No  ]
>   Filter Untagged Frames:  [ No  ]
>   Filter Unregistered Frames:  [ No  ]
>   Port Name:   [ Port 1 ]
>   PVID:[1 ]
>   Port Priority:   [ 0 ]
>
> Port:[ 24  ]
>   Filter Tagged Frames:[ No  ]
>   Filter Untagged Frames:  [ No  ]
>   Filter Unregistered Frames:  [ No  ]
>   Port Name:   [ Port 1 ]
>   PVID:[1 ]
>   Port Priority:   [ 0 ]
>
>
>
>
>Cristian Piatnitchi
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RE: 4 NET WORK CARDS IN ONE SERVER

[Stephen Skinner]

if your using compaq/3com/intel you can nic teaming.i.e using muliple 
cards acting as one.400 instead of 100 meg

steve

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>Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:10:53 +0100
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>I think that you can do this if you have 4 different subnet addresses to
>use. I have only tried it with two using Advanced Server. If and when you
>do, watch what choices you make because the Server may try to become a
>rudimentary router for IP RIP, OSPF, IPX etc.not sure if that is what
>you want.
>
>Winston.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: L Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>Subject: 4 NET WORK CARDS IN ONE SERVER
>
>
>
>How do I set up four network cards in one NT 2000 server?
>
>Is there a book that you know of?
>
>Thanks in advance guys
>
>
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Re: Whew! Can you smell that VLan?

[Stephen Skinner]

guys,


let`s look at this PROPERLY(and i`m not trying to start a flame war).

yes everyone is right you can set your 35/4/5/6 set sniff two vlans using 
either a mixture of span and multiple nics

BUT

if you have a bog standard switch .1 nic card.and DONT employ any 
cheats.then the standard rule of thum is that they are seperate 
broadcast domains and the sniffer CANNOT snif the other domain.

SURE there are WAYS round the problem ...most of which have been pointed out 
by my fellow studiers but with standard ethernet says no...

I think that`s what you`r saying


Later

steve


>From: Robert Padjen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "The.rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Whew! Can you smell that VLan?
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:06:30 -0800 (PST)
>
>I cannot speak to the 3500 series, but in the Cat
>5000/6000 line, you span a port to either copy the
>contents of a port or an entire VLAN. The membership
>of the port that has the Sniffer is moot in this
>instance. It is further possible, although I can't
>think of too many good reasons to do this, that you
>can set the switch to receive packets from the
>Sniffer, which would allow use of the port membership
>VLAN in addition to the receipt of frames from the
>span process. In essence you would get two VLANs in
>one, but, again, :(  Typically I set the span port to
>a 'defunct' VLAN with no other members and no
>representation on the RSM/MSFC. I may see BPDUs and
>CDP packets, but the majority will be the traffic I
>desire.
>
>
>--- "The.rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I believe that the 3500 Catalyst series will even
> > let you monitor ports on
> > other switches if you want. Check into it, but I
> > think you can.
> >
> > ""NetEng"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > message
> > 99bbkk$p8a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:99bbkk$p8a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > We have had a pissing match lately and here's the
> > details. One person
> > states
> > > that a VLan can not be sniffed because it is on a
> > different subnet. The
> > > other person says it can becuase it's physically
> > on the same switch. I
> > think
> > > you can to a point. Here's what I mean; let's say
> > we have a 3524 with two
> > > Vlans, VLAN1 (we'll call it InfoSys), and VLAN2
> > (called HR). If I have a
> > > sniffer running on InfoSys, I should be able to
> > sniff traffic on my subnet
> > > as well as traffic from HR to InfoSys (ie HR
> > employee accessing mail
> > server
> > > on InfoSys), right? The only difference is that
> > the source MAC address
> > would
> > > change. I should not be able to sniff traffic
> > local to HR (ie an employee
> > > accessing accounting software) right? What's the
> > rub?
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Re: Stop multicast to router

[Stephen Skinner]

you can use CGMP to create a PIM domain and filter the traffic that 
wayyou will have to still use your 2948 but it will be a little 
easierGROUP??

steve



>From: "Tony van Ree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "studygroup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Stop multicast to router
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:44:23 +1000
>
>  Hi all,
>
>I have been presented a problem I'm not sure of the answer.
>
>I have a CAT5000 switch connecting several VLAN's and a Cisco2948 providing 
>routing/switching.  One of the VLAN's has a process that uses a multicasts. 
>  These multicasts cause the Cisco2948 a little grief.  I do not want the 
>Cisco2980 to see the multicast traffic.
>
>Any clues would be appreciated.
>
>
>Teunis
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Re: ATM OC3

[Stephen Skinner]

don`t know if this will help but try this link.
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/atm/c8510/12_0/12_0_18/
trouble/atm_net.htm#xtocid147060

WATCH THE WRAP...

it will give you a good starting place .


what i think is wrong is that you either have a remote loopback on...or 
there is a problem with your provider`s network .info going nothing 
coming back

HTH

steve

>From: "John P Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "John P Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: ATM OC3
>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:46:04 +0100
>
>Does anybody have an expanation about the following show controllers atm
>output
>
> >Framer Information:
> > Framing mode: SONET OC3 STM-1
> >Facility alarm: PathFarEndRxFailure
>
>How do I find out what this alarm means
>
>
>John
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Re: Catalyst 2800

[Stephen Skinner]

OK

lots of questions.

lets start at the beginning.

Nice switch for a lab (O`lucky man)

the managemnet info ..how do we get it
well you can plug in a PC and telnet to it but you need a ip address
the easyiest way is to get a console cable from cisco ...(they come in handy 
for other things too)
port 25 is just another port no different from other (i mean that you still 
need ip address to telnet)
if you cant get a console cable do this

go to www.nai.com
download a copy of netxray or sniffer pro
plug into any port on your switch a straight thru cable 
start capturing cdp data and you SHOULD see the ip address in that frame.
THIS CANNOT BE GUARNTEED
simply because it may just have a base setting (i.e no manangement tlenet 
disabled)but it`s a quick easy way to start..

HTH

steve
OHH and you use telnet over ethernet/wan links and hyperterminal or 
terraterm pro or whatever for consoling in (mainly...list) this is how i 
split the two programs.


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>Subject: Catalyst 2800
>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:16:30 -0800
>
>Hello all,
>For study purposes, I've given a Catalyst 2800, with a couple more to
>follow.
>The problem is, no one has any idea of the configuration.
>I don't have a serial cable, though can order one if need be. Can I
>interface on port 25 for management purposes? Straight or cross-over
>cable? And where am I to go from there? Do I get a sniffer so I can
>discover the IP and then telnet or hyperterminal in?
>Would like to experiment with VLANs but have to get the door open.
>
>Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Re: what's the RSM utilization and what slow down network?

[Stephen Skinner]

first thing to do is check to see what is going on ..

go onto the rsm and do a show interfacethis sholud list all VIRTUAL 
interface`s and see what is the amount of "Packets per second" going through 
interface.

also check "5 mins traffic"...

you can download from "www.solarwinds.com" there package`s...in eval

go for the professioinal edition ...it has a tool called CPU load ...this 
will give you an OVERALL picture of your RSM (aslong as you have assigned it 
an IP address)...in real time...
also has "bandwidth Monitor" ..which can monitor VIRTUAL and REAL 
interfaces...(again need ip address)

in order to fix this we need to know were all the traffic is

FIRST good thing to do is move ALL workstations of VLAN 1 ...this is a 
managment VLAN and only switch/routers should use this ...
ALSO your trunks are they fibre or are they 100 megare your workstations 
100meg ...if so to increase speed .ETHERCHANNELL 3 or 4 TP ports for 
3-400 meg throughput.

this is a good start try this and report back to the list ...and we will 
go from there...

HTH steve
>From: "David spalding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "David spalding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: what's  the RSM utilization and what slow down network?
>Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 07:49:58 -
>
>Hi...
>
>I need to solve a network slowness problem.  First, let me tell you about
>our network.  All our PCs are connected to 2 X 5500 switches with RSM and
>divided into 3 VLANs 1,2,3 on each swtich.  Both switches are connected to
>each other via trunks and HSRP configured.  VLANs are routed via RSM in
>5500s.  By right, implementation of VLAN can increase the performance and
>speed, and 5500 switch also a high end switches. But our network is very
>SLOW.  All parameter have been checked including the duplex type and speed
>of the ports match with NIC.  I suspect can it be the bottleneck of routing
>process in RSM due to overwhelming packet for routing? Each 5500 are
>connected about 40 PCs.  How to determined the utilization of RSM ? what is
>the limit?
>
>Besides,  both 5500 are connected to the company WAN via two 1700 routers.
>And our network is extremely slow when accessing the WAN especially on the
>Citrix traffic although we have prioritize the citrix traffic. I don't know
>what is the reason?  We have two links 128K, and 256K, it should be fast.  
>I
>doubt whether the bandwidth is correct or not?  When I see the output of 
>#sh
>interface as shown below.  Can u say that it is 256K ?
>
>MTU 1500 bytes, BW 256 Kbit, DLY 2 usec
>
>I heard from my friend that Cisco router is poor in handling citrix and
>netbios traffic, is that true??  We are using OSPF in our WAN, but RIP in
>RSMs.  Could the difference in routing protocol slow down the network?
>
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Re: MLPPP & T1 aggregation

[Stephen Skinner]

I ahve asked around our noc and the general thinking seems to be NO and 
YES.this is an interesting one you can buy a fractional T3 line which 
means that a service provide could bundle them together for you but from the 
cisco side (even unchannelised) i dont think there is a way of aggrigating 
multiple T1 links..

JOHn,HOWARDany idea`s.i seem to remember a thread not so long ago 
about this .no such luck in archives

HTH steve

NOC
Pricewaterhousecoopers


>From: pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: MLPPP & T1 aggregation
>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Everyone:
>
>I have 7206 router with PA-MC-2T3+ card in it. This
>card support 28 T1 lines. I want to know if I can use
>MLPPP (multilink point to point protocol) to aggregate
>multiple T1s to same router at remote end. I plan to
>use 1750 or 2611 at the remote end. Want to have a
>bigger pipe going to remote office say about 3 mb or 6
>mb. Is there any other way of doing this other than
>MLPPP.
>If I can use MLPPP, I was also curious about
>physical connection. can I use say about 3 T1 lines
>going to two different routers ( 2 lines to 2611 and 1
>to 1750) as a part of same MLPPP link, or do they have
>to be on same router with multiple interfaces?
>
>If anybody can share this knowledge it will be of
>great help.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>pat.
>
>
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Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?

[Stephen Skinner]

your CIR (Committed information rate) is supplied by your SP ...you and him 
agree how much you can have( depending on how much you pay)
usually the person setting up your router sets the "BANDWIDTH" command 
to the CIR+ BR (burst rate) I.E how high you CAN go up to for a limited 
amount of time ..again your service provider has set this for you .

HTH

steve


>From: "David Gollop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
>Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:29:40 -
>
>Hi..  How to determine the CIR of a frame relay line?  Like Result  shown
>below, what is the CIR?  How do I increase the CIR?  Do we have to contact
>the Frame relay provider?  What is the difference between CIR and EIR??
>
>
>SIN01#sh int s1/1.19
>Serial1/1.19 is up, line protocol is up
>  Hardware is M4T
>  Description: ---  Connects to JKT01 Ser0.2 ---
>  Internet address is 50.200.243.25/30
>  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 2048 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
> reliability 255/255, txload 2/255, rxload 2/255
>  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY IETF
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Re: Design Challenge - a bit off topic [7:195]

[Stephen Skinner]

Some interesting questions

me personally 

no-one has talked about restrictions of any sort ( a-la firewall)..so lets 
say there isn`t just use 1 of 16 different custom queues ...not really 
an effective tool fir this job but hey.Design solutions it is ...

I also don`t like the idea about this T1/DSL link stuff...i always advise 
customers to have the same."if you want to have a SEEMLESS service don`t 
skimp ..all things should be equal".
obviously it wont be totally seamless as you will have a lot of info going 
across 1 instead of 2 links...but it`s closer than DSL
.

Questions for the customer??

would you like ME to design your network or would you like to do it 
yourself..being as i have years of experience and you have none...

JUST SLIGHTLY MORE POLITELY...

then i would convince the customer that my way was best and had loads of 
advantages and his way would lead to lots of scratching chins and "ohhh i 
wouldn't`t have done it that way...Boss" by support engineers from whichever 
company he gets to support him as i won`t be going anywhere near his network 
if he can`t be bothered to listen

AGAIN just more politely

HTH

steve

P.S that is no joke i have had to TELL customers that before ...they 
just won`t listen.and i do still have my job



>From: "John Neiberger" 
>Reply-To: "John Neiberger" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Design Challoenge - a bit off topic [7:195]
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:45:45 -0400
>
>Thoughts inline below
>
>|  Howard's comment brings to mind a problem my Design Engineer raised when
>|  responding to a customer RFI.
>|
>|  Howard's comment: .  (Pause for usual mystification on why someone wants
>|  routing protocols to pass through
>|  a firewall, a fairly frequent question).
>|
>|  The customer RFI stated requirement ( wording as best as I can remember
>):
>|  Solution will entail two internet connections, a T1 and a DSL. Routing
>will
>|  be configured such that priority traffic will use the T1 connection, and
>|  ordinary internet browsing will use the DSL connction.
>|
>|  Lindy and I were having a real good laugh about the vagueness of the
>|  requirement, when we decided to try to come up with a solution. We came
>up
>|  with a number of questions for the customer to elaborate upon, and a
>|  possible solution. Would anyone else care to use this as a test of 
>design
>|  issues?
>|
>|  If memory serves, the customer defined "priority" traffic as e-mail and
>|  connectivity to a certain external web site.
>|
>|  So:
>|
>|  1) what are some of the questions the customer still needs to|
>answer?
>
>My first question to them would be "Do you really think that email and that
>one website alone justify a full T-1, while the rest of the internet 
>traffic
>for you company goes upstream on a measly DSL circuit?"
>
>Question #2:  Do you desire some sort of fault-tolerance?  Should one
>circuit be able to take over in case of a failure on the other?  If the T-1
>fails and we move everything to the DSL circuit, do you care if we
>completely squash the rest of your traffic if necessary to prioritize the
>email and web traffic formerly on the T-1?
>
>Question #3:  Do you really need a T-1?  Could you get by with another DSL
>circuit or a fractional T-1?
>
>|
>|  2) What are some possible solutions to this requirement?
>|  ( assume the T1 and the DSL terminate on the same router )
>|
>
>Question #4:  Are these circuits coming from the same or different
>providers?  Do you have your own address space available?  (silly question,
>let's assume not )  If the answer is "different providers" then IP
>address allocation and return-traffic paths become an issue.  Let's say 
>that
>Provider A (T-1) issues a /27 and Provider B issues a /28.  If we NAT
>internal addresses to only provider A's addresses--even for traffic leaving
>toward Provider B--then all that return web traffic will come in on the 
>T-1,
>which kinda violates the spirit of the requirements.
>
>[Actually, upon further reflection, this is an issue even if the circuits
>are from the same provider.  With two connections to the internet,
>successfully manipulating traffic going both directions on both circuits 
>can
>be tricky.]
>
>So then, how do you decide who to NAT to which addresses?
>
>One solution to that problem is to check out a Fatpipe Xtreme or a similar
>product by Radware that handles a lot of this for you.  Pretty cool stuff,
>we'll be getting the Radware box in the near future for just this purpose.
>
>On another routing issue, it appears that there will be a very limited
>number of destinations for traffic on the T-1 so one very simple solution
>would be static routes pointing out the T-1 and a default route pointing to
>the DSL circuit.
>
>Policy routing might also come in handy, I think, but it might be a bigger
>hammer than is necessary.  No need to complicate this if it doesn't need to
>be complicated.
>
>Is any of that the sort of thing you

Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR? [7:203]

[Stephen Skinner]

i don`t mean to be rude ,but i was essential correct..

if you set the bandwidth command to 64k and you have a CIR of 128K yo will 
only get 64K...But as my good friends have pointed out the default is 
1.544kb..but i was just trying to make that point stand out that it`s 
the serivce provider who makes the call about the info rate...

I`m sorry if i`m bieng ANAL about this i just wanted myself to be clear..

best regards

steve


>From: "EA Louie" 
>Reply-To: "EA Louie" 
>To: 
>Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:16:49 -0700
>
>ohhh no the bandwidth statement in the interface is *manually* entered
>(defaulted at 1544 Kbit for a serial interface), and is used to calculate:
>1.  metrics for routing protocols, and
>2.  bandwidth utilization in the "show interfaces" display
>so it's important to have it set correctly.
>
>Some frame relay carriers (Sprint and PacBell come to mind) do not transmit
>their CIR, so 'show frame-relay map' doesn't display their CIR.
>
>The frame relay provider does need to be contacted to increase CIR.  Higher
>CIR usually translates into a cost increase for the circuit.
>
>Here's an explanation of EIR - also see
>http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/frame/1108fr2.html and
>http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/frame/1206fr1.html
>
>EIR is the difference between the port speed of the frame relay service and
>the CIR.  The port speed is set by the frame relay service provider, and 
>may
>be lower than the maximum interface speed - for example, on a T-1 circuit,
>the provider could provide a 384kbps port and a 128k CIR.  In this case, 
>the
>EIR = 256k, and it would be wise to set the interface bandwidth to 384k
>(bandwidth 384 on the serial interface) to match the port speed.  And the
>port speed is usually the maximum rate at which one can oversubscribe the
>PVC (that is, it is usually the frame relay burst rate)
>
>The moral of the story - just because there is an *access circuit* at a
>particular transmission rate does not assure you that you burst at that
>rate.  The interface is rate-limited to the port speed that was ordered 
>from
>the frame relay carrier.
>
>-e-
>- Original Message -
>From: 
>To: Greg Owens 
>Cc: ; 
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:55 AM
>Subject: Re: RE: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
>
>
> > Are you sure that information isn't just taken from the "bandwidth"
>statements on the subinterfaces?
> >
> >
> > Greg Owens  wrote:
> > > Sh frame map will show u the CIR
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Stephen Skinner
> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:45 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> >
> > your CIR (Committed information rate) is supplied by your SP ...you and
>him
> > agree how much you can have( depending on how much you pay)
> > usually the person setting up your router sets the "BANDWIDTH" 
>command
> > to the CIR+ BR (burst rate) I.E how high you CAN go up to for a limited
> > amount of time ..again your service provider has set this for you
>.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > steve
> >
> >
> > >From: "David Gollop"
> > >Reply-To: "David Gollop"
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:29:40 -
> > >
> > >Hi..  How to determine the CIR of a frame relay line?  Like Result  
>shown
> > >below, what is the CIR?  How do I increase the CIR?  Do we have to
>contact
> > >the Frame relay provider?  What is the difference between CIR and EIR??
> > >
> > >
> > >SIN01#sh int s1/1.19
> > >Serial1/1.19 is up, line protocol is up
> > >  Hardware is M4T
> > >  Description: ---  Connects to JKT01 Ser0.2 ---
> > >  Internet address is 50.200.243.25/30
> > >  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 2048 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
> > > reliability 255/255, txload 2/255, rxload 2/255
> > >  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY IETF
> > 
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Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR? [7:259]

[Stephen Skinner]

OK..

it appears i was wrong on this Bandwidth thing.

my appologies and thanks for everyone putting me on the right path

BTW

is there any way of controlling the speed of your inputI.E 
throttleing down .

Best regards

steve

thanks snyway
>From: "EA Louie" 
>Reply-To: "EA Louie" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR? [7:259]
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:35:00 -0400
>
>No one indicated that you were wrong.  However, more clarity would be to
>answer all the question(s) completely.
>
>-e-
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Stephen Skinner"
>To: ;
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:52 AM
>Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
>
>
> > i don`t mean to be rude ,but i was essential correct..
> >
> > if you set the bandwidth command to 64k and you have a CIR of 128K yo 
>will
> > only get 64K...But as my good friends have pointed out the default is
> > 1.544kb..but i was just trying to make that point stand out that 
>it`s
> > the serivce provider who makes the call about the info rate...
> >
>Baloney.  You'll still get minimally 128k.  Thus, if you set
>interface serial 0
>  bandwidth 64000
>
>and you have a CIR of 128k, you will still get 128k (plus bursts up to the
>data rate of the frame relay port).  The bandwidth command does *nothing
>physically limiting* to the interface.  It merely acts as the reference
>number for load calculations on show interfaces and for the metric
>calculation for dynamic routing protocols.  The txload and rxload fractions
>will be inaccurate, though, with this configuration.
>
> > I`m sorry if i`m bieng ANAL about this i just wanted myself to be 
>clear..
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > steve
> >
> >
> > >From: "EA Louie"
> > >Reply-To: "EA Louie"
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:16:49 -0700
> > >
> > >ohhh no the bandwidth statement in the interface is *manually*
>entered
> > >(defaulted at 1544 Kbit for a serial interface), and is used to
>calculate:
> > >1.  metrics for routing protocols, and
> > >2.  bandwidth utilization in the "show interfaces" display
> > >so it's important to have it set correctly.
> > >
> > >Some frame relay carriers (Sprint and PacBell come to mind) do not
>transmit
> > >their CIR, so 'show frame-relay map' doesn't display their CIR.
> > >
> > >The frame relay provider does need to be contacted to increase CIR.
>Higher
> > >CIR usually translates into a cost increase for the circuit.
> > >
> > >Here's an explanation of EIR - also see
> > >http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/frame/1108fr2.html and
> > >http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/frame/1206fr1.html
> > >
> > >EIR is the difference between the port speed of the frame relay service
>and
> > >the CIR.  The port speed is set by the frame relay service provider, 
>and
> > >may
> > >be lower than the maximum interface speed - for example, on a T-1
>circuit,
> > >the provider could provide a 384kbps port and a 128k CIR.  In this 
>case,
> > >the
> > >EIR = 256k, and it would be wise to set the interface bandwidth to 384k
> > >(bandwidth 384 on the serial interface) to match the port speed.  And 
>the
> > >port speed is usually the maximum rate at which one can oversubscribe 
>the
> > >PVC (that is, it is usually the frame relay burst rate)
> > >
> > >The moral of the story - just because there is an *access circuit* at a
> > >particular transmission rate does not assure you that you burst at that
> > >rate.  The interface is rate-limited to the port speed that was ordered
> > >from
> > >the frame relay carrier.
> > >
> > >-e-
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From:
> > >To: Greg Owens
> > >Cc: ;
> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:55 AM
> > >Subject: Re: RE: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Are you sure that information isn't just taken from the "bandwidth"
> > >statements on the subinterfaces?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greg Owens  wrote:
> > > > > Sh frame map will show u the CIR
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[E

RE: Design Challenge - a bit off topic [7:195]

[Stephen Skinner]

OK.


i`m still studying so i may well be WAY-OFF  the mark here ...but John says

>|  Solution will entail two internet connections, a T1 and a DSL. Routing
> >will
> >|  be configured such that priority traffic will use the T1 connection, 
>and
> >|  ordinary internet browsing will use the DSL connction.


?

you would need to define "priority traffic" and then assign a high prioirty 
queue then assign that to an interface.assign the rest of the 
traffic to another queue on the other (DSL) interface..

you know i think that`s the solution but i am begginging to doubt myself...i 
swear i am missing something very basic and will be laughed at but hey..


i can always change my e-mail address...


best regards

steve


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Design Challenge - a bit off topic [7:195]
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:06:13 -0400
>
>My DE and I were practically rolling on the floor with this one.
>
>Rule number one: the customer is always right.
>
>Rule number two: when the customer's head is where the sun don't shine,
>refer to rule number one. ;->
>
>I agree with much of your assessment. Problem I have is that I work for a
>telco, and sometimes what we in the data side are given is the result of a
>telco account manager trying to meet T1 and DSL quota by making these kinds
>of suggestions. Gullible customers then latch on to what has been presented
>as a good idea. This RFI had all the markings of a telco-based solution.
>
>I do have a question for you, based on something you stated below:
>
>Recognizing that you have two outbound interfaces - T1 and DSL, how will
>custom queuing deliver the required packets to the appropriate interface?
>
>Chuck
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Stephen Skinner
>Sent:  Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:55 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: Design Challenge - a bit off topic [7:195]
>
>Some interesting questions
>
>me personally 
>
>no-one has talked about restrictions of any sort ( a-la firewall)..so lets
>say there isn`t just use 1 of 16 different custom queues ...not really
>an effective tool fir this job but hey.Design solutions it is ...
>
>I also don`t like the idea about this T1/DSL link stuff...i always advise
>customers to have the same."if you want to have a SEEMLESS service 
>don`t
>skimp ..all things should be equal".
>obviously it wont be totally seamless as you will have a lot of info going
>across 1 instead of 2 links...but it`s closer than DSL
>.
>
>Questions for the customer??
>
>would you like ME to design your network or would you like to do it
>yourself..being as i have years of experience and you have none...
>
>JUST SLIGHTLY MORE POLITELY...
>
>then i would convince the customer that my way was best and had loads of
>advantages and his way would lead to lots of scratching chins and "ohhh i
>wouldn't`t have done it that way...Boss" by support engineers from 
>whichever
>company he gets to support him as i won`t be going anywhere near his 
>network
>if he can`t be bothered to listen
>
>AGAIN just more politely
>
>HTH
>
>steve
>
>P.S that is no joke i have had to TELL customers that before ...they
>just won`t listen.and i do still have my job
>
>
>
> >From: "John Neiberger"
> >Reply-To: "John Neiberger"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Design Challoenge - a bit off topic [7:195]
> >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:45:45 -0400
> >
> >Thoughts inline below
> >
> >|  Howard's comment brings to mind a problem my Design Engineer raised 
>when
> >|  responding to a customer RFI.
> >|
> >|  Howard's comment: .  (Pause for usual mystification on why someone 
>wants
> >|  routing protocols to pass through
> >|  a firewall, a fairly frequent question).
> >|
> >|  The customer RFI stated requirement ( wording as best as I can 
>remember
> >):
> >|  Solution will entail two internet connections, a T1 and a DSL. Routing
> >will
> >|  be configured such that priority traffic will use the T1 connection, 
>and
> >|  ordinary internet browsing will use the DSL connction.
> >|
> >|  Lindy and I were having a real good laugh about the vagueness of the
> >|  requirement, when we decided to try to come up with a solution. We 
>came
> >up
> >|  with a number of questions for the customer to elaborate upon, and a
> >|  possible solution. Would anyone

I AM going to try the IMpossible [7:1069]

[Stephen Skinner]

Group,

I NEED you good wishes and prayers...

i am sick and tired of waiting to do my CCIE written so i have booked the 
following  for saturday 22/4/01

9.30am BCRAN(last for CCNP) should pass all ok (one hope`s)
11:00am CCIE Written (i AM mad and i don`t care)UK price #244+VAT(17.5%)

i need help( because i am mentally disturbed for doing this ,but its too 
late now)..and i need help to TRY and get me a decent FAIL 
mark..i`ve got no real chance of passing but it`s all a laugh 
init??&^%$^%^$%^%%???


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RE: CCIE Written Books - Opinions plz [7:1073]

[Stephen Skinner]

or alternativly ,

you could just bend down kiss your ass(and money) good bye and try sitting 
it COLD like me.(i mean no offence ...i`m just kidding)

but i find that preparing for each exam is different , also they way each 
person does it is different..

ONE thing to remember ALL cisco exams questions come from a pool of about 
500 these are taken from either the offical course notes..or (in the 
case of the CCIE) taken from the blueprint (as correctly pointed out by my 
learnED friend) and also from info FREELY availible from the cisco web 
site

This is cisco`s MOST prised posession and they WILL NOT give it to you 
without a FIGHT...so they make it hard.if they didn`t want it to be 
as valuable as it is , there would be a cisco CCIE offical course... (not to 
say all the other cred`s are crap ofcourse it is just that this is the 
big one ..TYSON v ALI.
and if you want it you are going to have to go out of your way to get it 
..which i beleive is the right attitiude nopoint me getting it 
...spending 10k most of 2 yrs study ...and then it is deemed as 
worthless.so i will go the extra mile...spend the extra timeand try 
my damdist??  to get it .

ASK yourself a question what should a CCIE know??...then ask 
yourself How can i test this ??..armed with this knowledge and a LOT 
of help from the group you will be fine.


I hope i haven`t annoyed to many people with this ,but it IS as hard as they 
say ,it IS worth it ,and you WILL have to work harder than ever 
beforeBUT it IS possible.there are people here who`ve proved it 
possible..see there goal focus...and youmeall of us will 
get there...one day..

this is a self-pep aswell as list-pep talk...because i`m going to fail 
miserably on saturday and will just keep coming back for more...


Cheers

steve


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CCIE Written Books - Opinions plz [7:1073]
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:17:06 -0400
>
>At the risk of becoming flame bait, let me offer that there are appropriate
>tools for appropriate tasks.
>
>I am not so sure that Caslow, Perlman, or Halabi are the best way to spend
>one's time preparing specifically for the CCIE written. I am not so sure
>that reading RFC's is the best preparation for the written either.
>
>The written is geared towards examination of protocol behaviour. There are
>lots of questions that are based on an understanding of how various
>protocols function. OSI comes into play in that it forms a basis for
>referencing those operations.
>
>I took the written shortly after taking the CID exam. My recollection is
>that there was more than just a coincidental similarity between the two.
>
>My own advice is use the blueprint on CCO as your basis for forming your
>reading list. But don't get carried away thinking you need to read every
>book referenced there. Some are more appropriate for lab preparation. Some
>are interesting reading, but short on information you will find useful in
>either the written or the lab.
>
>IMNSHO
>
>Chuck
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Dennis Laganiere
>Sent:  Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:46 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   RE: CCIE Written Books - Opinions plz [7:1073]
>
>Your missing websites in your list.  There are a lot of sites that provide
>CCIE Written materials, like xx_www.boson.com_xx, www.ccprep.com and 
>others.
>
>Just my $.02
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Albert Lu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:16 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: CCIE Written Books - Opinions plz [7:1073]
>
>
>Hello group,
>
>I would like people's opinion of the following titles for the CCIE 
>'Written'
>(not lab)
>
>CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Cram
>by Thomas M., II Thomas, Henry Benjamin
>
>CCIE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert Study Guide
>by John Swartz, et al
>
>All-in-One CCIE Study Guide
>by Roosevelt Giles
>
>CCIE Prep Kit 350-001 Routing and Switching (Exam Guide)
>
>CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Prep
>By Corolios Group
>
>I'm already going to add Caslow, Doyle, Halabi, Perlman, Clark(Lan
>Switching) to my collection.
>
>I'm not looking for the ultimate guide, just want to weed out the bad ones
>to make a good choice.
>
>Thanks
>
>Albert
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Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]

[Stephen Skinner]

I always thought of a "Flap" as a generic term meaning when a 
route/interface/serial-line goes full-circle.

from:- workingdowninitialisingup

i have always treated the "whole" as one flap?

Am i going mad.

Cheers

steve


>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:09:50 -0400
>
>I think from BGP's point of view a flap is a withdrawal and announcement of
>a routing prefix. Howard Berkowitz will know for sure. Did you check his
>BGP papers at http://www.certificationzone.com. Also there's a good paper
>here:
>
>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-178.html
>
>Cisco often uses the word "flapping" in a generic sense for a route or
>interface going up and down repeatedly. That could be cause for some
>confusion. In your class, you might want to be clear about whether you are
>using the term generically or with reference to parameters to route
>dampening commands.
>
>Good luck. Let us know what you find out for sure! Thanks.
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 03:35 PM 4/18/01, Tom Pruneau wrote:
> >Greetings All
> >
> >I am in the process of writing a BGP class, at present I am specifically
> >working on a section covering dampening.
> >
> >My question is "what is a flap"
> >
> >The two possible answers are:
> >
> >
> >Answer one
> >A flap is whenever path information changes for a route. By this 
>definition
> >if a route goes away, that would be a flap. When the route comes back, 
>that
> >would be another flap.
> >So a route going away then coming back would be 2 flaps.
> >
> >
> >Answer two
> >A flap is a route transition from up to down back to up. So a route going
> >away then coming back would count as one flap.
> >
> >
> >
> >I am mucking with this in my lab and the lab would seem to indicate that
> >answer two is the correct one, but when I read the Sam Halabi copyright
> >1997 internet routing architectures book, page 440 and 441 it says the
> >answer is Answer one.
> >
> >I am at best confused
> >
> >Any help?
> >Tom Pruneau
> >Trainer Network Operations
> >
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Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]

[Stephen Skinner]

I always thought of a "Flap" as a generic term meaning when a 
route/interface/serial-line goes full-circle.regardless of protocol
i use the term interchangeably with OSPF,PpP,LEASED lines,BGP,ISDN

from:- workingdowninitialisingup

i have always treated the "whole" as one flap?

Am i going mad.

Cheers

steve

"my mum always said it`s only an exam...PAH...what the heck do she 
know"


>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:09:50 -0400
>
>I think from BGP's point of view a flap is a withdrawal and announcement of
>a routing prefix. Howard Berkowitz will know for sure. Did you check his
>BGP papers at http://www.certificationzone.com. Also there's a good paper
>here:
>
>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-178.html
>
>Cisco often uses the word "flapping" in a generic sense for a route or
>interface going up and down repeatedly. That could be cause for some
>confusion. In your class, you might want to be clear about whether you are
>using the term generically or with reference to parameters to route
>dampening commands.
>
>Good luck. Let us know what you find out for sure! Thanks.
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 03:35 PM 4/18/01, Tom Pruneau wrote:
> >Greetings All
> >
> >I am in the process of writing a BGP class, at present I am specifically
> >working on a section covering dampening.
> >
> >My question is "what is a flap"
> >
> >The two possible answers are:
> >
> >
> >Answer one
> >A flap is whenever path information changes for a route. By this 
>definition
> >if a route goes away, that would be a flap. When the route comes back, 
>that
> >would be another flap.
> >So a route going away then coming back would be 2 flaps.
> >
> >
> >Answer two
> >A flap is a route transition from up to down back to up. So a route going
> >away then coming back would count as one flap.
> >
> >
> >
> >I am mucking with this in my lab and the lab would seem to indicate that
> >answer two is the correct one, but when I read the Sam Halabi copyright
> >1997 internet routing architectures book, page 440 and 441 it says the
> >answer is Answer one.
> >
> >I am at best confused
> >
> >Any help?
> >Tom Pruneau
> >Trainer Network Operations
> >
> >GENUITY
> >3 Van de Graff Drive Burlington Ma. 01803
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> >
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RE: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]

[Stephen Skinner]

hooray .
it looks like as thought i was right about the term flap..just wrong about 
BGP ..thanks for the info

chhers

steve
>From: Andy Prima 
>To: "'Stephen Skinner'" , [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:19:26 +0700
>
>
>Please let me quote from sitamoth.com:
>
>Route dampening is a BGP feature designed to minimize the propagation of
>flapping routes across an internetwork. A route is considered to be 
>flapping
>when it is repeatedly available, then unavailable, then available then
>unavailable..and so on.
>A route that is flapping receives a penalty of 1000 for each flap. When the
>accumulated pelanlty reaches a configurable limit, BGP surpresses
>advertisement of the route EVEN if the route is UP.
>The accumulated penalty is decremented by the half-life time. When the
>accumulated penalty is less than the reuse limit, the route is advertised
>again (if it is still UP).
>
>
>Hope this can help :)
>
>Andy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Stephen Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:53 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
>
>
>I always thought of a "Flap" as a generic term meaning when a
>route/interface/serial-line goes full-circle.regardless of protocol
>i use the term interchangeably with OSPF,PpP,LEASED lines,BGP,ISDN
>
>from:- workingdowninitialisingup
>
>i have always treated the "whole" as one flap?
>
>Am i going mad.
>
>Cheers
>
>steve
>
>"my mum always said it`s only an exam...PAH...what the heck do she
>know"
>
>
> >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
> >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:09:50 -0400
> >
> >I think from BGP's point of view a flap is a withdrawal and announcement 
>of
> >a routing prefix. Howard Berkowitz will know for sure. Did you check his
> >BGP papers at http://www.certificationzone.com. Also there's a good paper
> >here:
> >
> >http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-178.html
> >
> >Cisco often uses the word "flapping" in a generic sense for a route or
> >interface going up and down repeatedly. That could be cause for some
> >confusion. In your class, you might want to be clear about whether you 
>are
> >using the term generically or with reference to parameters to route
> >dampening commands.
> >
> >Good luck. Let us know what you find out for sure! Thanks.
> >
> >Priscilla
> >
> >At 03:35 PM 4/18/01, Tom Pruneau wrote:
> > >Greetings All
> > >
> > >I am in the process of writing a BGP class, at present I am 
>specifically
> > >working on a section covering dampening.
> > >
> > >My question is "what is a flap"
> > >
> > >The two possible answers are:
> > >
> > >
> > >Answer one
> > >A flap is whenever path information changes for a route. By this
> >definition
> > >if a route goes away, that would be a flap. When the route comes back,
> >that
> > >would be another flap.
> > >So a route going away then coming back would be 2 flaps.
> > >
> > >
> > >Answer two
> > >A flap is a route transition from up to down back to up. So a route 
>going
> > >away then coming back would count as one flap.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am mucking with this in my lab and the lab would seem to indicate 
>that
> > >answer two is the correct one, but when I read the Sam Halabi copyright
> > >1997 internet routing architectures book, page 440 and 441 it says the
> > >answer is Answer one.
> > >
> > >I am at best confused
> > >
> > >Any help?
> > >Tom Pruneau
> > >Trainer Network Operations
> > >
> > >GENUITY
> > >3 Van de Graff Drive Burlington Ma. 01803
> > >24 Hr. Network Operations Center 800-436-8489
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> > >
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Re: I just found this! [7:1181]

[Stephen Skinner]

natasha,

i would just like to say that you never cease to amaze me on some of the 
stuff you find...this latest one is DEAD COOL

cheers luv

steve

>From: "Natasha" 
>Reply-To: "Natasha" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: I just found this! [7:1181]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:34:44 -0400
>
>You have just got to see this site!
>http://www.decodes.com/solitaire/solitaire.html
>
>
>
>Natasha Flazynski
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>My Cisco information site.
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Re: CCIE Qual...Off-topic [7:1185]

[Stephen Skinner]

if i remember correctly i got KILLED for mearly suggesting the codes 
stuff .and AM NOT going into it again.THANKFULLY boson have changed 
the way you buy the exams and it is a lot MORE secure...so ...anyway here is 
the code

1. startup the exam and hit the ORDER FULL VERSION button
2. imput your details
3. put in credit card number and BUY the thing..

in the long run ...it will save you so much HASSLE(not that at the time i 
didnt DESERVE it)

but if people on the list find out you cracked the exams they are less 
likely to help you.TRUST ME ON THIS


it is only $60..

NO FLAMING PLEASE

regards

steve


>From: "Henry Rollins" 
>Reply-To: "Henry Rollins" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCIE Qual...Off-topic [7:1185]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:29:07 -0400
>
>You can't gather a mere $60 to help you pursue a $1550 exam (with lab)
>with some hint of legitimacy? That is very sad.
>
>Of course MAYBE I'm overreacting and you simply lost your codes for the
>referenced exams which you have already purchased, and you wish to study
>RIGHT THIS MINUTE and the B O S O N offices are not open yet for you to
>get the codes again.  Yeah...that's probably it.
>
>Shame on me for thinking such bad thoughts initially --- now where's my
>crack pipe ;-]
>
>
>Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" :
>
> > Could somebody provide me the signature files of CCIE Qual 1 & 2, for
> > converting the trial versions of Boson tests ?
> >
> > If you want to take it offline, reply.
> >
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Re: Network Performance - off topic [7:1197]

[Stephen Skinner]

i have used net xraythe history page ...leave it running for however 
long you want you can then export it to a type of file...(this is the 
same with sniffer pro...the gui versions...don`t know about the all-in-one 
compaq boxes)

i`m not to sure about crystal...but EXCEL,ACCESS...of yes..that`s no problem

HTH

steve


>From: "Keyur Lavingia" 
>Reply-To: "Keyur Lavingia" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Network Performance - off topic [7:1197]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:19:07 -0400
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am trying to create a process wherein I can use a sniffer to probe a
>LAN/WAN for different types of traffic and generate reports based on the
>data. I am wondering if the Network Associates' Sniffer would help in doing
>so or not. One of them is lying in our Labs and I am trying to play with 
>it.
>Also, we have Crystal Reports as report generating tool, and I was 
>wondering
>if anyone of u has used it for such a process.
>
>All comments are sincerely welcome 
>
>Thanx in advance ...
>
>
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Re: about Juniper Certification [7:1198]

[Stephen Skinner]

try this url
http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos43/swconfig43-install/download/swconfig-install43.pdf

tells you about the systems...my agent says he ois crying out for "M" 
skillsbut as for long term.who knows

steve

>From: "chen rd" 
>Reply-To: "chen rd" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: about Juniper Certification [7:1198]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:20:56 -0400
>
>How about Juniper Certificate?
>Useful ? Valuable? How about it
>comparing with Cisco Certificate?
>
>Thanks a lot!
>
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RE: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]

[Stephen Skinner]

Ok...it seems this topic is divided 

1.GBP flaps/flapping
2.flapping in general

as regards 1 i don`t claim to know the answer but

i think a FAIR description of a flapping route/interface would be this

"the route has gone down and come back up again BEFORE the router has had 
time to Re-converge/update routing tables"

with singular instances bieng a "flap" and multiple instances bieng 
"flapping"


Would this be a fair overall description.if i am right then it`s a 
small step to finding out why/how BGP does it

Thanks

steve
>From: "ElephantChild" 
>Reply-To: "ElephantChild" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:39:20 -0400
>
>On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> > It doesn't answer the question. It says there's a penalty for each flap.
>Is
> > there a penalty for
> >
> > 1. each time a route goes down
> > or
> > 2. each time a route goes down and back up
> >
> > The answer is probably number 2, as the orignal poster thought also, 
>since
> > just going down isn't really "flapping."
>
>Well, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how a route could go
>down more than once without going up meanwhile, or up more than once
>without going down meanwhile. So 1 and 2 are pretty much the same thing,
>except perhaps for an extra up or down at either end. OTOH, it could be
>that some BGP implementations send several WITHDRAWS in a row, or that a
>single route going down may result in a given router getting several
>withdraws (eg, redundant route reflectors, or multiple peers advertizing
>the same prefix). Does someone know whether 1- BGP protocol definition
>allows sending several WITHDRAWS to the same peer for a single up-down
>transition and 2- routers apply the flap penalty repeatedly when they get a
>WITHDRAW for a prefix already marked down?
>
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Re: OT: Ramblings [Was Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1344]

[Stephen Skinner]

OOOHHH NO you won`t young man ..you will partake of alcoholic 
beverages and participate in a social gathering of some form with work 
collegesI KNOW we don`t like it but we have no choice it`s 
expected...

you will also make witty conversation and try and remove the image that IT 
people are boring.or at least try.


that`s what i keep telling myself anyway.


steve (in his lab with doyle`s book on friday nite)

"it IS worth it isn`t it.ISN`T IT"


>From: "Jason J. Roysdon" 
>Reply-To: "Jason J. Roysdon" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: OT: Ramblings [Was Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1128]
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:22:00 -0400
>
>Speaking of, I'll be posting pics of my compost bin, router rack, and
>firepit on my homepage tonight.  These are my hobbies, I'm a homebody geek,
>and I like my life as it is, thankyouverymuch *g*
>
>One of these days I'll get a digital camera so it doesn't take me 4 steps 
>to
>get photos up my website instead of just 1.  A scanner would help, so at
>least then I wouldn't have to go to the office (I think I've been in the
>office twice this month, once to pick up parts, and today to scan the
>photos).  Hmm, so I guess I'm a frugal geek.
>
>Oh, what a coincidence, Star Trek Voyager re-run tonight just used
>dampening.  Chakotay (sp?) said, "I'm detecting a dampening field around
>that building."  That settles it, Star Trek is made up babbling and usually
>incorrect when it comes to technical terms (unlike Star Wars, you know), so
>it must be damping *g*
>
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> > As a gardener, however, dampening is a good thing to do to seedlings,
> > making them moist and green.  A damped seedling has gone limp and is
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New CCNP.....Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]

[Stephen Skinner]

Hi all.

just thought i would let you all know what happened on saturday.

PASSED BCRANso i am now a CCNP(Hooray!)
failed the CCIE Written 57%.BOO HOO..

anyway the written...

WHAT A BAD EXAM...i got question`s i didnt know the answer to(my 
fault)...but i got some really STUPID one`slike
This is what it felt like on the exam .

Q1.How does the internal combustion engine work...
Q2.What your favorite car color??? HEY.


i wdont mean to be rude but "poke me in the eye and call my jenny"..boy were 
they stupid(maybe why i scored so highly)...it`s funny
and it went on like that .really hard questions...followed but really 
easy/out-of-place  ones(just not enough easy ones)but i know now what to 
studyand i should be able to pass on the second attempt..

still it`s only my savings ...not as if i wanted that new TV heyOH 
NOi like wasting my money(will listen to the list next time)

have a happy monday

steve
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Re: New CCNP.....Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]

[Stephen Skinner]

In responce to my own message i have created a list of the topics i need to 
study and refresh on


Study.

SRB,DLSW,TRB,Bridging of all sorts
ATM.lane PVI,LECS,LES,BUS
H.323 all stndards
Dec-netall info
pix,security in general

Brush up on
IPx
Appletalk
Token ring
Multicast
Bgp
OSPF


you don`t need to fill your head with stats,,,update times...etc.etc..well 
not that much ..

but how they WORK...i.e
if you have got thisand do this.will you get this.and NONE of 
this pick the one and only right answer out of 5 crapit`s "here`s 5 
answer you choose ALL that are correct"..you choose .no lucky 
answers...

the exam isn`t any harder than the others i have done, you just have to know 
the blueprintinside and out..

I AM NOT looking forward to the labi can tell you .

steve

>From: "Stephen Skinner" 
>Reply-To: "Stephen Skinner" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 03:51:09 -0400
>
>Hi all.
>
>just thought i would let you all know what happened on saturday.
>
>PASSED BCRANso i am now a CCNP(Hooray!)
>failed the CCIE Written 57%.BOO HOO..
>
>anyway the written...
>
>WHAT A BAD EXAM...i got question`s i didnt know the answer to(my
>fault)...but i got some really STUPID one`slike
>This is what it felt like on the exam .
>
>Q1.How does the internal combustion engine work...
>Q2.What your favorite car color??? HEY.
>
>
>i wdont mean to be rude but "poke me in the eye and call my jenny"..boy 
>were
>they stupid(maybe why i scored so highly)...it`s funny
>and it went on like that .really hard questions...followed but really
>easy/out-of-place  ones(just not enough easy ones)but i know now what 
>to
>studyand i should be able to pass on the second attempt..
>
>still it`s only my savings ...not as if i wanted that new TV heyOH
>NOi like wasting my money(will listen to the list next time)
>
>have a happy monday
>
>steve
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RE: New CCNP.....Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

the reason i put that list out is because i WAS asked questions on THOSE 
subject in the CCIE.Honest
Bang goes the NDA.(i never wanted to pass anyway)

1 got 8...yes 8 questions on RIF breakdowns
5 q`s on ATM... PVI and stuff2 -3questions on h323
2-3 involving DECnet...adress stuff
pix /security questions
ipx ,gns ,sap Q`s
AURP,ZIP etc etc questions..

it`s not easy i don`t care what you say..

i have a question for you

"what is Usefull about a routing protocol"?#%^$%#&*&%*$*^$^???

answer`s on a postcard...maybe to :-
CCIE Rotuing and switching written exam
Prometric/Cisco
USA

HTH

steve...

"never underestimate how much anger one can have at being asked such BLOODY 
stupid questions"

>From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:07:36 -0400
>
>You may want to check out CCO before investing too much time in some of the
>topics you list.
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html
>
>best wishes
>
>chuck
>
>
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>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Stephen Skinner
>Sent:  Monday, April 23, 2001 2:25 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
>
>In responce to my own message i have created a list of the topics i need to
>study and refresh on
>
>
>Study.
>
>SRB,DLSW,TRB,Bridging of all sorts
>ATM.lane PVI,LECS,LES,BUS
>H.323 all stndards
>Dec-netall info
>pix,security in general
>
>Brush up on
>IPx
>Appletalk
>Token ring
>Multicast
>Bgp
>OSPF
>
>
>you don`t need to fill your head with stats,,,update times...etc.etc..well
>not that much ..
>
>but how they WORK...i.e
>if you have got thisand do this.will you get this.and NONE of
>this pick the one and only right answer out of 5 crapit`s "here`s 5
>answer you choose ALL that are correct"..you choose .no lucky
>answers...
>
>the exam isn`t any harder than the others i have done, you just have to 
>know
>the blueprintinside and out..
>
>I AM NOT looking forward to the labi can tell you .
>
>steve
>
> >From: "Stephen Skinner"
> >Reply-To: "Stephen Skinner"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
> >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 03:51:09 -0400
> >
> >Hi all.
> >
> >just thought i would let you all know what happened on saturday.
> >
> >PASSED BCRANso i am now a CCNP(Hooray!)
> >failed the CCIE Written 57%.BOO HOO..
> >
> >anyway the written...
> >
> >WHAT A BAD EXAM...i got question`s i didnt know the answer to(my
> >fault)...but i got some really STUPID one`slike
> >This is what it felt like on the exam .
> >
> >Q1.How does the internal combustion engine work...
> >Q2.What your favorite car color??? HEY.
> >
> >
> >i wdont mean to be rude but "poke me in the eye and call my jenny"..boy
> >were
> >they stupid(maybe why i scored so highly)...it`s funny
> >and it went on like that .really hard questions...followed but really
> >easy/out-of-place  ones(just not enough easy ones)but i know now what
> >to
> >studyand i should be able to pass on the second attempt..
> >
> >still it`s only my savings ...not as if i wanted that new TV heyOH
> >NOi like wasting my money(will listen to the list next time)
> >
> >have a happy monday
> >
> >steve
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RE: New CCNP.....Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

the reason i put those topics on my list is because they WERE on the exam 
i was asked  the following q`s...almost

Bang goes the NDA

Bridging/Reading RIF`s in HEX.8  yes 8 questions
Decnet addressing Q`s 2-3
H.323 1-4 Q`s
ATM...PVi and stuff.. 3-4 Q`s

also ipx SAP,GNS
and AURP stuff

i have a good question  for you

"what is usefull about a routing protocol"

Answer`s on a postcard to
CCIE Routing and switching Written exam
Cisco Exam/Drug Testing department
USA

HTH
steve   :-$

"one should never underestimate how angry one can get at bieng asked BLOODY 
stupid question"



>From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:07:36 -0400
>
>You may want to check out CCO before investing too much time in some of the
>topics you list.
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html
>
>best wishes
>
>chuck
>
>
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>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Stephen Skinner
>Sent:  Monday, April 23, 2001 2:25 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
>
>In responce to my own message i have created a list of the topics i need to
>study and refresh on
>
>
>Study.
>
>SRB,DLSW,TRB,Bridging of all sorts
>ATM.lane PVI,LECS,LES,BUS
>H.323 all stndards
>Dec-netall info
>pix,security in general
>
>Brush up on
>IPx
>Appletalk
>Token ring
>Multicast
>Bgp
>OSPF
>
>
>you don`t need to fill your head with stats,,,update times...etc.etc..well
>not that much ..
>
>but how they WORK...i.e
>if you have got thisand do this.will you get this.and NONE of
>this pick the one and only right answer out of 5 crapit`s "here`s 5
>answer you choose ALL that are correct"..you choose .no lucky
>answers...
>
>the exam isn`t any harder than the others i have done, you just have to 
>know
>the blueprintinside and out..
>
>I AM NOT looking forward to the labi can tell you .
>
>steve
>
> >From: "Stephen Skinner"
> >Reply-To: "Stephen Skinner"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: New CCNP.Attempting the impossible.. [7:1571]
> >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 03:51:09 -0400
> >
> >Hi all.
> >
> >just thought i would let you all know what happened on saturday.
> >
> >PASSED BCRANso i am now a CCNP(Hooray!)
> >failed the CCIE Written 57%.BOO HOO..
> >
> >anyway the written...
> >
> >WHAT A BAD EXAM...i got question`s i didnt know the answer to(my
> >fault)...but i got some really STUPID one`slike
> >This is what it felt like on the exam .
> >
> >Q1.How does the internal combustion engine work...
> >Q2.What your favorite car color??? HEY.
> >
> >
> >i wdont mean to be rude but "poke me in the eye and call my jenny"..boy
> >were
> >they stupid(maybe why i scored so highly)...it`s funny
> >and it went on like that .really hard questions...followed but really
> >easy/out-of-place  ones(just not enough easy ones)but i know now what
> >to
> >studyand i should be able to pass on the second attempt..
> >
> >still it`s only my savings ...not as if i wanted that new TV heyOH
> >NOi like wasting my money(will listen to the list next time)
> >
> >have a happy monday
> >
> >steve
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RE: Beware of VINCENT CHONG [7:1631]

[Stephen Skinner]

i think i can help resolve this with a little story..

once upon a time..a long time ago in a galaxy far away there lived a 
little boy.


this boy had great powers.he could use one of those new fangled
Photostat machines
(for gaining statistics of how many photocopies you have produced)
he decided that NOT for personal gain ,but merely the advancement of the 
human/Cisco racehe would make copies .Oh naughty-boy... of a 
manual and pass it on to someone..There are a few problems with this

1> is someone cannot afford to pay the book in the first place .what 
makes you think he`ll pay for a photostat..
2> is someone going to expect a high level of service from someone who rips 
of copy righted material(i KNOW i can`t spell)

NO and NOthe moral of the story is ...

now on-one on the list will help Either of you
and you both got what you deserved .

DON'T DO ITit`s BAD.BUY THEM 

the help you COULD HAVE received from this list would have been worth 1,000 
times the price of a book ,..still not to worry ...it`s YOUR loss

Also
if you do do it again i will be forced to spam your email with 10,000 
documents detailing how much better 3COM routers are over CISCO...

(i just realized i don`t have the time to waste ...so i wont bother ..)

CCIE...live it.eat it ..BUY it ...Sleep it .

just don`t rip it off...


Ta Ta Me duckies :-%

steviekins

>From: "Jim Brown" 
>Reply-To: "Jim Brown" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Beware of VINCENT CHONG [7:1631]
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:22:22 -0400
>
>Hey guys why don't you take this offline.
>
>Above and beyond the fact this is beyond the scope of this group, I'm 
>fairly
>certain you are infringing on somebody's copyright.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Vincent Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:00 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Beware of VINCENT CHONG [7:1631]
>
>
>1)Is it  Canadian way to trade material?  Change price when they want
>to?
>
>2)What a guy, RAM G, agree on selling the solution lab at 50.  When you
>paid him 50,
>changed his mind, you had to pay 75.  Please see below.
>
>3)I photocopied and well packed material,  who paid for the expense, I
>am victim.
>
>4) I  could not receive paypal becasuse paypal do not support
>international bank a/c
>in some country.  You can check paypal.
>
>5) I will never trade materia to anyone. Only sell or buy.
>
> >
> > >
> > I purchased 17 lab { USD.210 }scenarios from Solution Labs
> > www.solutionlabs.com All the lab does contain answer key.  It is in hard
> > copy format.  I am not trying to make profit out of these labs.  I just
>want
> > to recover minimal cost on these labs.  I am willing to sell all the 
>labs
> > for USD.50.  I will make photo copies of 400 Pages document and surface
>mail
> > to your address. Let me know if it interests you.
> > 
> >
> > ""RamG""   Hello Gang
> > >
> > > Just want to keep you all informed on the board not to deal in any 
>form
>of
> > > TRADE {CCIE Material }or BUYING accessories from VINCENT CHONG.  I had 
>a
> > bad
> > > experience today.  We had entered into an agreement to trade CCIE
> > materials.
> > > I sent him soft copy of my materials and requested him to make hard 
>copy
> > of
> > > his material.  The price for hard copy of his material was mutually
>agreed
> > > at USD.22.  I sincerely sent him the money through pay pal. To my
>surprise
> > > he has declined accepting the money and is not interested to send the
> > > material.  Like a KID he sent me this reply  Quote "I will send back
>your
> > > material and I do not want to trade anymore. I will removed from my 
>hard
> > > disk." Is this the way CHINESE behave.  Surprised.
> > >
> > > This is not a complaint.  Beware of this GUY - VINCENT CHONG.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks  /  RamG
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Re: OT: Ramblings [Was Re: BGP Dampening, What is a flap? [7:1695]

[Stephen Skinner]

AH.

i`m glad you asked me that...

a friday night is this .you have worked (hard maybe) all week ...or in 
my case you stared at 5 monitors saying
"ohhh it`s gone red ..."

anyway after all of this work and possible study time/exams on saturday it`s 
time to let of some steam .so you collect you work buddies..(or anyone 
who look lonely/Sad/working-to-hard/sleeping/surfing-the-net)
and say
" well hello my fellow work-mates(WOMEN are allowed...just NO baby talk) 
...i believe that it`s time for the standard going down the nearest 
bar/pub/strip joint/..whatever and do some of that SOCIALISING stuff."

REMEMBER.This must be done only ONCE a week
for fear of becoming to attached ...

now don`t worry if by asking them a question ...you UNDERSTSAND the answer 
and it is not timestampedthis is OKi`m told humans do this all the 
time...
if asked ,drink the WEEKEST drink there is .it`s called a 
LONG-ISLAND-ICE-TEA
it`s basically an english drink with a umbrella in it you`ll be 
finedont worry about the swaying and shouting ...i`m told it`s perfectly 
normal


After spendoing several hours with them. go home/invite them all with 
you ...and sleep the sleep that only TEA can give you.

one last tip make sure all recording devices are inoperable ...MOST 
important.

it`s an english thing .but feel free to export it all over the world 
with my blessing..

:-&

steviekins


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>Stephen,
>What's a friday night?
>
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Re: passed CCDA [7:1653]

[Stephen Skinner]

Well anyway.

CONGRATULATIONS on a job well done.

and by Cilla`s book "top down design"

it really is jolly good

:-%

steve

>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: passed CCDA [7:1653]
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:46:55 -0400
>
>It would be gratifying if people would use the design processes taught in
>various books to takes notes on the business and technical requirements of
>the customers in the case studies. ;-) If one really applied the techniques
>taught, I think they could deal with the mixed-up questions.
>
>Design is very hard to test. This comes up quite often in this list. See
>the archives for some interesting discussions (if anyone cares!!)
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 09:24 PM 4/23/01, Jason J. Roysdon wrote:
> >First off, congrats.  That test stumps a lot of experienced folks (just 
>poor
> >test takers).
> >
> >Best recommendation I tell folks is to read through each scenario 
>completely
> >and take brief notes (get 4 of the blue note cards the testing center 
>will
> >offer you), and the time you spend reading through will pay off as you'll 
>be
> >able to breeze through them afterwards.  That's how I did it, I don't 
>recall
> >my score, but it was pretty high.
> >
> >--
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> >
> >
> >
> >""Adam Wang""  wrote in message
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> > > Hi group,
> > >
> > > Passed CCDA today.  72 question, 755 to pass, scored
> > > 854.  The exam itself is not too hard, but the way
> > > Cisco presents the scenario questions is very
> > > annoying.
> > >
> > > 4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions.
> > > What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the next
> > > question on case 4, then some non-scenario questions.
> > > Then a case question appears again in the middle/end
> > > of the exam.
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess it's because of the random selections of the
> > > question pool.  But I feel I have been tested more on
> > > my memory than my skill of design.  I have to refresh
> > > my memory of each senario once in a while during the
> > > exam.
> > > I hope Cisco will make some change in the future:
> > > Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions
> > > among all other questions in the exam.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
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CCIE study group in UK/LONDON [7:1835]

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,

is there a group going on and can i join-up... i work in london and would 
like to meet fellow groupstuders...

Cheers

steve
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Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]

[Stephen Skinner]

guys,

i agree with most things that have been said apart from this

the IE LAB this has done and will continue to strike fear into the 
hearts and minds of everyone

the current pass stats for each lab is 15%..15%that means for every 
10 students on there lab only 1.5 will passthis means that THIS cred 
will ALWAYS mean something...when my friend passed his
lab this was the end result

10 people started day 1 ...
by end of day 1 2 people left
by end of day 2 he remains.and passed

he`s not the only one.. i remember someone else saying that happened to 
them..

this is cisco`s way of protecting the ccie
i personally beleive that this is good for them aswell as us

they are aware that if the CCIE is an easy pass for wasters...then there kit 
is for wasters as well..
this is also why a well-known...to me anyway proctor has told me this

"the lab is harder than it used to be . i am now strickter that  i used 
to be ...if i don`t ...my job is on the line and so is your`s"

he also said

" 5,000 pounds/7,000 dollars is NO-WAY near enough money to make me let you 
pass...#500,000 pounds/$650,000 and maybe we`ll talki SAID maybe.."

"and if you try that with anyone else they will strip you of all your 
creds..."

he`s a bit of a moany old git...but heyi HAVE to like him.
...EEK



steve "hold my hand mummy i`m scared" skinner

:-*

>From: "Jim Gillen" 
>Reply-To: "Jim Gillen" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:48:06 -0400
>
>I would also add that there are many people with the CCIE who have done
>intensive training courses and may have the qualification but not the
>required experience. Those CCIE's who have a depth of experience will 
>always
>be in demand. After all the CCIE qualification is not easy to get, even 
>with
>the intensive training.
>
>I find it difficult to understand where this is all coming from, is it the
>technology stock shakeout or CISCO dumping staff I have seen this 
>happen
>a number of times in the last few years and technology always bounces back
>(I'm not sure about the stock price levels). As far as I am concerned
>getting the CCIE should not be regarded as a magic bullet to financial
>bliss...if you are interested and committed to this profession then you 
>will
>do well no matter what.
>
>I went to a number of business practice seminars for consultants when I was
>running my own consulting business. They were very strong on the suggestion
>that consultants (not just It consultants) must reinvent themselves every
>two years. So I think everyone reading this should realize that,
>particularly in IT, that with the rate of change as fast as it is we all
>need to expect that we will need to re-evaluate our future at regular
>intervals.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Jim Gillen
>
>Snr Communications Engineer
>AUSTRAC
>
>Ph:   9950 0842
>Fax:  9950 0074
>
>
>
> >>> "Jason J. Roysdon"  26/04/01 9:57:40 >>>
>This message has been scanned by MAILSweeper.
>
>
>I can't see the certification being devalued.  Cisco is constantly making
>the test harder by adding more and more relevant items and removing those
>that are not.  Plus, by forcing older CCIE's to keep current with the CCIE
>Written is decertifying those that don't care and keeping the numbers from
>growing too fast.
>
>And, as you say, with the need for more and more folks at this caliber is
>increasing, I don't think there will be any problem with the demand keeping
>up with the increased supply.  Not if the AVVID thing takes off for one 
>(and
>it is, at least for us).  Our local county let their top PBX staff go and 
>is
>looking to implement VoIP (I don't know why they cut first and didn't get
>the new system in place first, but government doesn't always make sense).
>The question is, of course, who will win, 3Com, Nortel, or Cisco (our shop
>actually does all 3, so we don't care so long as we win the bid, hehee).
>
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
>Just checking the current numbers, they're not up that high - 5595 Active
>CCIEs  (4992 as of 11/01/2000, up 137 since 4855 CCIEs as of 06/01/2000,
>which was up 156 since 03/31/2000 at 4699).  That's only 896 new CCIEs in
>year.  Granted, it sounds like a lot (~75/month), but compare that to the
>MCSE numbers (which I'd love to see, especially with the new Win2k stuff
>out).  Especially if you figure probably a third, if not more are Cisco
>employees ;-p
>
>--
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>that
> > there are so many books and training materials geared towards the CCIE, 
>it
> > is making it easier to

Re: Certification Plaque [7:1786]

[Stephen Skinner]

ahhh lads,

tell you what someone design it and i`ll get is shipped out via my 
company.

only cost ...your love and affection

steve skinner

MCSE,CLS,ACT,PSS,CCSE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,SSA,ASAP,PDQ,PDF,BGP,ETC,ETC,ETC



>From: "Jason J. Roysdon" 
>Reply-To: "Jason J. Roysdon" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Certification Plaque [7:1786]
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:57:26 -0400
>
>I think everyone should forward the original email to their Cisco CAMs and
>request.  If we make enough noise, perhaps we'll get some cool plaques.
>
>I'd say it's warranted at the CCxP level (although, give  things for CCxA 
>on
>the plaque as well), and perhaps even once you get any single CCNA-level
>Specialization.  Maybe even if you just get both CCNA and CCDA they could
>send it.
>
>Of course, Cisco is in budget cutting mode, so it's doubtful.  The Cisco of
>6 mos. ago would have done it though.
>
>--
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>
>
>""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
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> > I'd love something like that.  I didn't get squat for CCNA, CCDA, or
> > CCNP.  For CCDP I got this awful cap that no one wanting to retain any
> > semblence of coolness would be caught dead wearing.
> >
> > >>> "Kevin Wigle"  4/24/01 5:17:26 PM >>>
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > Got a present delivered by FedEx today.
> >
> > I can remember a thread a long while back about not getting a decent
> > plaque
> > when you certified to CCDP or CCNP.
> >
> > Well, Cisco Canada has started a program that does send out a neat
> > plaque.
> > It reminds me of the laser cut wooden plaque I got when I certified for
> > CBE
> > (Certified Banyan Engineer).
> >
> > The plaque is 9" by 11", wooden and has a metal Cisco Bridge on it
> > with
> > "Cisco Systems" embossed.
> >
> > Your name is cut into the wood as well as the sentence: "Recognized as
> > Cisco
> > Certified"
> >
> > Then in a little bag are brass plates with all the certs you have
> > earned.
> > CCNA, CCDA, CCNP and CCDP (in my case).  You peel off the sticky tape
> > and
> > place them on the plaque.  A letter suggests you may want to place them
> > in
> > consideration of earning more certs!
> >
> > I know the idea is the knowledge (or the journey) and not the certs (or
> > the
> > trinkets/certificates) but I have to admit that this looks cool and
> > somehow
> > suggests a more substantial achievement than a piece of paper might
> > indicate. (in the industry cert arena anyways)
> >
> > However, I guess you get the plaque even if you've just passed
> > CCNA.
> > so I don't know.  Perhaps they should restrict it for the NP/DP.  I'm
> > not
> > sure I would agree that any one exam cert deserves this kind of
> > recognition... (easy to say since I've got more I guess)
> >
> > Don't know if Cisco (US) will start this but I think that it would be
> > welcomed if they did.
> >
> > Kevin Wigle
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Re: What is PRI exactly? [7:2055]

[Stephen Skinner]

a pri is a combination of isdn DS0 lines..

a BRI is 2
a pri is 23/30 ...depending on where you are

these are the data lines...

there are signalling lines aswell  64 whole ds0 for pri 16k part of ds0 for 
bri.

the pri works in the same fashion...with some slight config changes..

with a pri ...you can...

load balalnce over multiple lines/part of each line(50% of line 1 brings in 
line 2)
you can have multiple remote bri`s going to one pri.
you can have voice and video over different lines

there is a difference that the interface pri is a DB16 connector not rj45

on my routers i have configured 8 bri`s as subint`s to one site (fractional 
PRI)
and the rest as seperate bri`s going to seperate sites

HTH
steve
"LOTS OF CREDS"

>From: "Chris Wornell" 
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: What is PRI exactly? [7:2055]
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:19:53 -0400
>
>Hello,
>
>For some reason, PRI has racked my brain ever since I learned about it.
>From what I understand, its basically a line with 23 64kb B channels and 1
>64kb D channel.  The thing I'm confused about is I always see it mentioned
>with ISDN.  Is it really just an ISDN line with a bigger pipe?  Is there 
>any
>sort of dialing required when using it?  Does it use the same protocols as
>ISDN?  Can you use each channel for either voice or data dynamically like
>BRI?  Any information would be helpful.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Chris Wornell
>CCNA, CCDA
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Re: Best CCIE Books and Resources [7:2229]

[Stephen Skinner]

unfortunatly ,

there i no one emcompassing book that will get you through the test/lab.

but i will tell you what i am using for the above.

WRITTEN
Boson CCIE test 2
Token ring white paper.CCPREP.com
CCIE Cramsession www.cramsesion.com
IP routing Vol 1 DOYLE
Caslow`s bridges,rotuers,switches
HALIBAI Internetwork routing book..
Network case study and design
ANYTHING to do with RIF`s

(i am not bieng very complete with my answers as i know you can find these 
easy on amazon)

LAB

IP routing Vol 1 DOYLE
Caslow`s bridges,rotuers,switches
HALIBAI Internetwork routing book..
Network case study and design
12 months of 2 hrs minimum every night doing labs from
www.fatkid.com,www.ccprep.com,www.certificationzone.com

Kinetetic 2 week (res) CCIE lab prep


the written test is 1000 times easyier than the lab but after failing it i 
am not going to take the chance


regards
steve

CCNP Written 8 days 10 hrs and counting

>From: "Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA" 
>Reply-To: "Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Best CCIE Books and Resources [7:2229]
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 04:35:02 -0400
>
>Hi all,
>
>Which among the many are the best books with which one can comfidently
>prepared for both the CCIE written and Practicals (Routing & Switching).
>
>I will be glad to receive the complete sets of necessary books and 
>resources
>for this all important examination especially from those who have attempted
>recently or seriously prepaparing for it now.
>
>Regards.
>Oletu H. G.
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ATM Bit rate [7:2256]

[Stephen Skinner]

Guys,
i`m looking for a good explanation of what this is...

i looked on the archives and cisco site,but beleive i am bieng thick .

according to cisco the bit rate comes in various flavours

UBR,VBR,CBRbut am i getting this complete leg-before-arm

i thought the bit rate was a messunment of how fast the link was ???

i don`t get it ...some-one put me out of my misery

thanks

steve :-$
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Re: ATM Bit rate [7:2256]

[Stephen Skinner]

many thanks...

also who-ever recommended the atm book nice one

steve :-)

>From: "Carroll Kong" 
>Reply-To: "Carroll Kong" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ATM Bit rate [7:2256]
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:07:33 -0400
>
>At 10:39 AM 4/27/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote:
> >Guys,
> >i`m looking for a good explanation of what this is...
> >
> >i looked on the archives and cisco site,but beleive i am bieng thick .
> >
> >according to cisco the bit rate comes in various flavours
> >
> >UBR,VBR,CBRbut am i getting this complete leg-before-arm
> >
> >i thought the bit rate was a messunment of how fast the link was ???
> >
> >i don`t get it ...some-one put me out of my misery
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >steve :-$
>
>They are the types of "QoS".  Service classes defined by the ATM
>standards.  (UNI 4.0)
>
>Unspecified Bit Rate (AAL5, pretty much Best Effort)
>Variable Bit Rate (AAL2, for variable bit video, never really took off)
>Constant Bit Rate (AAL1, for constant, guaranteed bandwidth)
>
>There is also ABR (available bit rate), (takes left over bandwidth).
>
>For your information, AAL0 is raw ATM cells, and AAL3/4 is combined
>together.  In theory, AAL3/4 is absolutely obsoleted by AAL5 since the cell
>tax would have been higher.  (CRCs in EACH cell vs each PDU (9180 octets or
>so)).
>
>Also, VBR has two forms, Non-real time and real time.  The actual ATM
>adaption type I listed above may vary, as ATM is very complicated and the
>standards get fuzzed left and right.  I hope anyone with more definitive
>knowledge can help you fill in the gaps I may have left.
>
>
>
>
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Re: ATM Bit rate [7:2256]

[Stephen Skinner]

Carroll,

may i be so bold as to ask another question 

the VCI/VPI numbersi was led to beleive that this are carrier supplied 
and have no Overall meaning(just the DLCI type)...but i have seen that some 
do have meaningi searched CCO but fpound squat...any links or info you 
could provide would be most welcome

Thanks in advance

steve


>From: "Carroll Kong" 
>Reply-To: "Carroll Kong" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ATM Bit rate [7:2256]
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:07:33 -0400
>
>At 10:39 AM 4/27/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote:
> >Guys,
> >i`m looking for a good explanation of what this is...
> >
> >i looked on the archives and cisco site,but beleive i am bieng thick .
> >
> >according to cisco the bit rate comes in various flavours
> >
> >UBR,VBR,CBRbut am i getting this complete leg-before-arm
> >
> >i thought the bit rate was a messunment of how fast the link was ???
> >
> >i don`t get it ...some-one put me out of my misery
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >steve :-$
>
>They are the types of "QoS".  Service classes defined by the ATM
>standards.  (UNI 4.0)
>
>Unspecified Bit Rate (AAL5, pretty much Best Effort)
>Variable Bit Rate (AAL2, for variable bit video, never really took off)
>Constant Bit Rate (AAL1, for constant, guaranteed bandwidth)
>
>There is also ABR (available bit rate), (takes left over bandwidth).
>
>For your information, AAL0 is raw ATM cells, and AAL3/4 is combined
>together.  In theory, AAL3/4 is absolutely obsoleted by AAL5 since the cell
>tax would have been higher.  (CRCs in EACH cell vs each PDU (9180 octets or
>so)).
>
>Also, VBR has two forms, Non-real time and real time.  The actual ATM
>adaption type I listed above may vary, as ATM is very complicated and the
>standards get fuzzed left and right.  I hope anyone with more definitive
>knowledge can help you fill in the gaps I may have left.
>
>
>
>
>-Carroll Kong
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Re: OT:There is always a New Kid on the Block (CIsco) [7:2613]

[Stephen Skinner]

the next new kid on the block will be ...


foundextrmcisc plc

they are ,,as we speak producing a combined layer 1,2,3,4,5 box that will 
revolutionise the network indusrty
an insider said

" in theory this device will have no practical application whatsoeverwe 
are very excited by this "

so far they have managed Not to router somewhere in the region of 15 billion 
PPS,with QOS TOS SOS MPLS MLS CEF all running in parrallel on it`s 49 
proccessors...

the current retail price will be 4.5 billion Dollars.

Microsoft,compaq,oracle have all placed pre-orders

a microsoft spokesman said
" well sod it ...we have more money than sence so will buy one,and then brag 
about it to all of you...Hahahahaha"

i myself have started on there certification track..18 
exams..CCNA/equivilantthen onto the 4 week lab ...i`m told you are 
blindfolded ...have both your arms broken ...and have to configure a 25 
router SNA network in the dark with 1 ip address...

i can`t wait

steve




>From: "Allen May" 
>Reply-To: "Allen May" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: OT:There is always a New Kid on the Block (CIsco) [7:2613]
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:02:24 -0400
>
>You know how everything follows a cycle and repeats?  I think I'm gonna 
>find
>a DOS certification and go for that before the rush hits ;)  Maybe WFW will
>come back in a 64-bit, unbloated version and be the best O/S ever.  Hmmm.
>;)
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "ccnawan"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:40 PM
>Subject: OT:There is always a New Kid on the Block (CIsco) [7:2613]
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > A few days ago there was a thread about the value of cisco certs, and 
>how
> > they were a lot of people pursuing them now.
> > My first recollection of IT, was when Big Blue was King, my oldest 
>brother
> > would bring some of the IBM computer punch cards home from his job. 
>Nobody
> > could touch IBM then. That was still true when I started out in IT in
>1981.
> > A couple years later the new kid on the block was Novell Netware, and
> > everybody including me wanted to be a CNE. I pursued my Netware certs.
>Then,
> > we started hearing rumblings about Microsoft NT. You had to be a MCSE, 
>if
> > you did you could name your price, and that was true. As it was when
>Netware
> > 2.1 first came out nobody knew about NT, so I followed the new kid and 
>got
>a
> > job in a NT shop. Well, now it is Cisco, no disrespect, I am a (Cisco
> > reseller) and a few years as technology changes, it will be someone else
> > maybe Juniper.
> >
> > After 20 years in IT nothing has changed, you must be prepared to learn
>new
> > technology, keep your ear to the ground for the new kid on the block, he
>is
> > coming soon, to a neighborhood near you.. I love computers.
> >
> > Dan Evensen CCNAWS CNS
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RE: ATM Module for 2600 [7:3032]

[Stephen Skinner]

cheers chuck

that is a top tool..



>From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: ATM Module for 2600 [7:3032]
>Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:15:34 -0400
>
>You more choices today than you did several months ago. But there are only 
>7
>cards I can find in my configuration tool.
>
>4 and 8 port ATM /IMA cards ( T1 and E1  models for each port count ) for
>inverse multiplexing
>
>one port T3 and one port E3 cards - the T3/DS3 would have the coax
>connector. Don't know about E3
>
>one port ATM 25 mbs card - my understanding is this one is used in LAN / 
>ATM
>LANE operations.
>
>You may want to bookmark the following link to Cisco's public configuration
>tool:
>
>http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/newConfig/config_root.pl
>
>Chuck
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Albert Lu
>Sent:  Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:44 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   ATM Module for 2600 [7:3032]
>
>Hi Group,
>
>I would like to know if there was an ATM module for the 2600, specifically
>to use for Lab study. I saw one on Cisco website, it looks like a BNC
>connector so I'm not sure what's going on.
>
>Thanks for your help =)
>
>Albert
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