Re: [CTRL] Solution for Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
Thanks for suggestion, I just had another freeze up, this time on a Wm Shannon email --- I'm not limited to 100 messages a day, although I have fuse.net investigating -- but how can it be that all the freeze ups are on a Bill Richer and now Wm Shannon emails -- and once these are identified and zapped on mailstart, that everything proceeds a-ok? Last night, with 104 messages, I froze on 89. Went into mailstart. 15th from the most recent message (104 - 89 = 15) were 2 Wm Shannon emails. I zapped them, when back into fuse.net, and everything came through quickly and with no problem. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tenorlove Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Solution for Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY --- "Mary K. Gemmato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem and fixed it. Contact your isp and ask them what your limit of incoming messages per day is. Often time to save money they limit everyone to a hundred incoming messages a day. There's a way around this, too. Rather than using your ISP's email, get a Web-based email account like Yahoo or Hotmail. You can have as many of them as you want. Plus, you can access them from ANY computer that has Internet access, great if you're on the road. Plus, if your hard drive crashes, your mail is still safe . . . on THEIR server. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Solution for Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
I have now my subscription to CTRL from fuse.net to unidial.com --- and I have NEVER had a problem on unidial.com so far with email freezups. I'll report what happens. As next option, if this fails, I'll go to yahoo or hotmail for CTRL exclusively. I'm not trying to come to any particular conclusion, but the fact that the email always freezes on a CTRL email points to a problem there that everyone needs to consider, and the list owners need to be aware of, -- the evidence as this point does not point to any of the other factors, as there is no evidence that there is any other common factors to the freeze ups. If unidial does NOT have a problem, then the weight of evidence will shift back to fuse.net as the source of the problem. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tenorlove Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Solution for Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY --- "Mary K. Gemmato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem and fixed it. Contact your isp and ask them what your limit of incoming messages per day is. Often time to save money they limit everyone to a hundred incoming messages a day. There's a way around this, too. Rather than using your ISP's email, get a Web-based email account like Yahoo or Hotmail. You can have as many of them as you want. Plus, you can access them from ANY computer that has Internet access, great if you're on the road. Plus, if your hard drive crashes, your mail is still safe . . . on THEIR server. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] E-Mail FREEZE-UPS. . .FOR ALL
Sorry if some are annoyed, but I noticed that Mr. Sanders was having problems with emails from Bill Richer --- and I'm talking that I had trouble 15 times in a row, always cleared up when I went to mailstart.com and deleted the Bill Richer email(s) in the vicinity of the problem. Now, logic dictates that the most LIKELY explanation is Bill Richer emails EVEN THOUGH these were often very small emails with no attachments (7K, 5K, etc.). I am exploring the other avenues that have been suggested. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sanders Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] E-Mail FREEZE-UPS. . .FOR ALL Maybe no one noticed it, but when Jim Condit first said he was having trouble with Bill Richer's emails occasionally, I replied and said I also have the same trouble. - Original Message - From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 8:10 PM Subject: [CTRL] E-Mail FREEZE-UPS. . .FOR ALL : This sounds like it is a mail reader problem or something to do with your ISP. IF, however it starts to spread and others start ohave a problem with it then please let us know about it, otherwise please try to handle this off-list, okay? : : : : On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mark McHugh wrote: : : : Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: : : From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] :What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL email that :froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid of it after I :identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, tonight a CTRL email froze :me up under the name "William Shannon" -- : :I must say I find it interesting that I identify the "Bill Richer" emails as :being the cause of freeze up -- and then immediately the freeze up begins to :happen with emails sent under other names. Again, I'm not accusing anyone, I :just determined to get to the bottom of this strange problem. I've lost :hours trying to determine what was happening -- and to straighten out the :whole situation, probably days. : : Since it seems to only be happening to you (I haven't had any problems, and : seemingly no one else, or at least very few), it would seem that this subject : would be better handled by taking it off-list and discussing it with your own : ISP and perhaps the ISPs of the emails you suspect are causing you a problem. : : June : : I also had this problem a few times. It hasn't happened to me since I switched : ISPs back in February. I use Netscape under Win95. It seemed to happen : whenever someone emailed an article as an large attachment. I wonder if it's : the mailer. Both BR and WS use AOL 5.0 for Windows. I've also had problems : with posts sent by MS Outlook on a Russian list. The Cyrillic coding would come : out garbled and freeze my Netscape. : : -- : ~~ : Mark McHugh : : gnothi seauton : : A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic : screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are : sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, : misdirections : and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and : minor : effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, : CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : Archives Available at: : http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html : A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of : [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A : : http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ : A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om : : "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix : : "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space : Odyssey : ___ : : Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! : http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go : :
Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
Dear June, one other person already said they noticed "Bill Richer" emails as hang ups -- and that's why I put it out to the list. Jim -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL email that froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid of it after I identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, tonight a CTRL email froze me up under the name "William Shannon" -- I must say I find it interesting that I identify the "Bill Richer" emails as being the cause of freeze up -- and then immediately the freeze up begins to happen with emails sent under other names. Again, I'm not accusing anyone, I just determined to get to the bottom of this strange problem. I've lost hours trying to determine what was happening -- and to straighten out the whole situation, probably days. Since it seems to only be happening to you (I haven't had any problems, and seemingly no one else, or at least very few), it would seem that this subject would be better handled by taking it off-list and discussing it with your own ISP and perhaps the ISPs of the emails you suspect are causing you a problem. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
Dear Mark McHugh -- thanks for that valuable input. I have noted over and over, regarding the size, that the size of these emails have been very, very small. You do suggest a good thought though, I can switch to my other provider and see if the problem stops. If it does, I'll gladly offer profuse apologies for bugging the list about it. However, this still would leave me wondering why only CTRL emails (thus far) have caused the problem. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark McHugh Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL email that froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid of it after I identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, tonight a CTRL email froze me up under the name "William Shannon" -- I must say I find it interesting that I identify the "Bill Richer" emails as being the cause of freeze up -- and then immediately the freeze up begins to happen with emails sent under other names. Again, I'm not accusing anyone, I just determined to get to the bottom of this strange problem. I've lost hours trying to determine what was happening -- and to straighten out the whole situation, probably days. Since it seems to only be happening to you (I haven't had any problems, and seemingly no one else, or at least very few), it would seem that this subject would be better handled by taking it off-list and discussing it with your own ISP and perhaps the ISPs of the emails you suspect are causing you a problem. June I also had this problem a few times. It hasn't happened to me since I switched ISPs back in February. I use Netscape under Win95. It seemed to happen whenever someone emailed an article as an large attachment. I wonder if it's the mailer. Both BR and WS use AOL 5.0 for Windows. I've also had problems with posts sent by MS Outlook on a Russian list. The Cyrillic coding would come out garbled and freeze my Netscape. -- ~~ Mark McHugh gnothi seauton A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
Dear Dano -- Thanks for the suggestion, --- I just had my windows and whole computer reloaded a few months ago --- since which time I've had no problems except this email freeze up business. ALso, the email freeze ups happened before and after the reload -- or does "deep reloading mean something else"?? Jim COndit JR. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dano Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY May I suggest Jim, that perhaps the problem is in your machine and not with the emails? Was it on this list the other day where someone suggested a deep format of the hard drive should be performed every so oftenI do exactly that...purge the junk!!! Jim Condit Jr wrote: What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL email that froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid of it after I identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, tonight a CTRL email froze me up under the name "William Shannon" -- I must say I find it interesting that I identify the "Bill Richer" emails as being the cause of freeze up -- and then immediately the freeze up begins to happen with emails sent under other names. Again, I'm not accusing anyone, I just determined to get to the bottom of this strange problem. I've lost hours trying to determine what was happening -- and to straighten out the whole situation, probably days. Since I've heard nothing, I've alerted fuse.net and they are going to analyze a few of the "freeze up" emails. I also have a techie on this end who is interested in the phenomenon. Has Kris Millegan or anyone else found out anything? One other person on the list did email in that he was having a similar problem with "Bill Richer" emails. Is anyone else having continual email freezeups. I repeat, I am and have been on other far less sophisticated services than fuse net, and they have NEVER had a problem with this; of course, I've never subscribed to the CTRL list from those sites. Can anyone help resolve this? Jim Condit Jr. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ct
[CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY
What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL email that froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid of it after I identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, tonight a CTRL email froze me up under the name "William Shannon" -- I must say I find it interesting that I identify the "Bill Richer" emails as being the cause of freeze up -- and then immediately the freeze up begins to happen with emails sent under other names. Again, I'm not accusing anyone, I just determined to get to the bottom of this strange problem. I've lost hours trying to determine what was happening -- and to straighten out the whole situation, probably days. Since I've heard nothing, I've alerted fuse.net and they are going to analyze a few of the "freeze up" emails. I also have a techie on this end who is interested in the phenomenon. Has Kris Millegan or anyone else found out anything? One other person on the list did email in that he was having a similar problem with "Bill Richer" emails. Is anyone else having continual email freezeups. I repeat, I am and have been on other far less sophisticated services than fuse net, and they have NEVER had a problem with this; of course, I've never subscribed to the CTRL list from those sites. Can anyone help resolve this? Jim Condit Jr. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] E-mail Shut down on another CTRL e-mail
Dear CTRL List, There's something strange going on here. Am I finding a Conspiracy closer to home than I'd HOPED?? :) After being hung up on a Bill Richer email yesterday and over a dozen times (maybe two dozen) in the last year, today, with only 71 e-mails in my box I'm hung up on a Wm Shannon email. I spent so much time unplugging these bottlenecks that I now have it down to a science on how to find the offending e-mail by using mailstart.com -- and I'll post how to do this if other people are having the problem. It took me hours of talking fuse.net technicians before I could force them to quit using contradictory explanations to explain the hang up (they were of good will, but they hadn't seen this type of hang up either). And I'm not accusing or pointing fingers here -- just reporting -- it really is a time killer! So far I've never found a non-CTRL email to do this, nor have I ever experienced the problem on other accounts where I was not getting CTRL mail, even though the other suppliers I've used are MUCH smaller and less sophisticated than fuse.net -- which is Cincinnati Bell's internet providers. Please advise, dear list owners, if you find out anything. THanks much. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The Omega Agency They are who people are talking about when one says orders come from "above the President". The Omega Agency consists of a network set up much like the CIA. There are thousands world-wide who take their orders directly from the ruling council of the Omega Agency. This council consists of 10 to 12 people. George Bush and Alexander C. Haig are the only two names that I know at this point who sit on the council of the Omega Agency. The OA is the driving force behind what is commonly called the "New World Order." The OA's office is located at Langley AFB. The OA originally planned to establish their world-wide control in 1995. But it was deemed that the time was not right, so they set a new target date for sometime in the year 2000. They are, above all else, a patient lot. Their plans to bring the world under one governing body, namely themselves, have been long in the making and thoroughly thought out. They plan to establish their NWO, for lack of a better term, in a time span of no less than 5 days. And they intend to do it without open war. Recall when President Reagan was shot. Haig made the statements to the press that "I'm in charge now." If you'll remember, he caught a lot of flack for that, and shortly thereafter, he was accused of various things that ruined his name politically. This was done by members of Congress who were aware of his seat on the Omega Agency council, and they feared losing their claim to power. Haig jumped the gun in his statements, and ended up giving up his political position because of it. Had Reagan died, we would have had Bush as President, and Haig as Secretary of State. Two men in power who sit on the OA council. But because of the commotion raised by a few members of Congress, Haig faded into the background rather than risk exposure of his connection to the OA, or of the OA itself. Recall when the Gulf War started. Bush used the exact words "New World Order" in his speech to the country. He said it several times, that the Gulf War marked the beginning of a NWO. The Gulf War was not a war about oil or the freedom of the people of Kuwait. It was a test of how well multi-national troops under the guidance of the UN would react in a war situation. The same holds true for Somalia and Bosnia. Multi-national troops under the direction of the UN. The Omega Agency controls the UN. Bush didn't lose the election to Clinton. Bush needed to be out of the limelight of the presidency in order to concentrate on and escalate the plans of the Omega Agency. And in Clinton, they had a stooge who would not rock the boat and who would do what he was told. Notice how quick Clinton has been to commit US troops to UN peace-keeping forces here and there. Notice who Clinton appointed as Secretary of State - Madeline Albright, the UN lady. Notice who Clinton gave federal land to - the UN. Why the need for a one-world government? The reasoning of the Omega Agency is this: Crime is out of control on a world-wide basis, especially in the US. People are out of control, not taking responsibility for themselves or their actions. Population growth is out of control on a world-wide level. The judicial system of the US is a joke. The political system of the US and most countries world-wide is a joke, corrupted and polluted by greed and power-hungry people who don't care about the population they were elected or appointed to serve. Under the governing body the Omega Agency plans to put
Re: [CTRL] Bill Richer's E-mails continue to freeze my mail.
I send this out to Kris Milligan, Bill Richer, and the CTRL List. I repeatedly have "mail freeze ups" -- where the downloading of emails STOPS at at one (but no means all) of Bill Richer's email. The only remedy is to go in to mailstart.com, which reads anyone's emails from a remote location, and delete all Bill Richer's emails in the vicinity of the emails where the problem is occuring. Then, when I go back to my provider -- the email down loads fine. This is a real problem when I have several hundreds emails built up -- because if it stops on say e-mail 337, that means that all 337 will be downloaded again after the Bill Richer emails are removed int he vicinity of the problem. Again, I'm not accusing Bill Richer of anything, I'm just noting something in case someone can figure out what is going on. I understand the concept of a "worm" may be involved, something I don't fully understand. Since this problem has persisted for months, I'm referring it to Cincinnati Bell at fuse.net, my provider -- to see if they can figure out anything. I will keep the list posted, and I hope if anyone has a solution or a similar problem, they will do the same. Jim Condit Jr. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] June, WAKE UP! Greg Craig: Elian Drug Charges 'Ridiculous'; Pediatricians Disagree
Oh, June, wake the heck up. It's just VRRRYY interesting to me how many of the alleged "conspiracy snoops" on this list have such a great love of totalitarian regimes like Castro's, and are so eager to trust everything coming out of the Clinton/Craig/Reno child abuser faction. Let's have the kid drug tested NOW. You bet your life that'll never happen! With complete disgust, Jim Condit JR. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Greg Craig: Elian Drug Charges 'Ridiculous'; Pediatricians Disagree Everyone who's jumping on the "this is proof they're drugging Elian" wagon ignores the fact that the psychoactives weren't the only meds confiscated. Also reported being found in the medical bag were antibiotics used for urinary infections, skin infections, and other maladies. I don't hear anyone claiming that THESE meds were also destined to be put into Elian. And if these antibiotics weren't destined for Elian's use, there is no reason to presume the psychoactives would be, either... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jewish Gene Study Reveals Origins
Hey! Nurev -- you'd better get all those sections on the Khazar conversions out of the Jewish Encyclopedea's quick, if you expect everyone to forget about it. Also, gene studies are like Big Network Public Opinion Polls, or piltdown man, there is nothing proven about any of it yet, and whatever is being put out now has to be scrutinized but good before any conclusions are drawn. I don't even know what you're referring to because your reference was cryptic, but I will be eager to see Mike Hoffman's analysis. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Jewish Gene Study Reveals Origins "Robert F. Tatman" wrote: So we learn at least two things: the Genesis account of Abraham as father of both Isaac and Ishmael has true in more than just a spiritual sense; and all of the hypotheses about British Israel, the Khazars, mongrel races, etc., are proven to be just what I have always maintained--purest nonsense. = I think that I'll take some credit here too. From the first week this list started I have been dealing this subject and have presented the case now verified by genetics. Where is Michael Hoffman now? Where is Poley and the other Christians whose intent it was to replace the Jews as the people of the book? The intent here was evil. Joshua2 http://www.discovery.com/news/briefs/2509/tech_diaspora.html Jewish Gene Study Reveals Origins By Discovery.com News May 9, 2000 - A genetic analysis of Jewish populations has revealed new clues about their Middle Eastern origins and new details about how the group spread throughout the world, according to today's New York Times. The findings suggest that despite the fact that they dispersed out of Israel over 2,000 years ago, Jews have remained remarkably faithful to "the tribe" - there has been little interbreeding with other groups. Also challenged are claims that the Jewish population is largely composed of outside groups who converted to the faith. The results also suggest that, out of all other groups in the world, Jews are most closely related to Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, with whom they descended from a common population 4,000 years ago. The findings, which were published in today's issue of the Proceedings of the American Academy of Sciences, were reported in the New York Times. The study, which was led by Michael F. Hammer of the University of Arizona, compared the chemical sequence of the Y chromosome among men worldwide. The Y chromosome, which contains the genes that make men men, is passed down from father to son in more or less intact form. As a result, examining its genes paints an almost unbroken picture of one's paternal heritage. Genes in the Y chromosome do change over time among different groups, however, so comparing the Y chromosomes of distinct populations provides a window into how closely they are related. Based on these comparisons, Hammer identified 19 main variations in the Y chromosome worldwide, according to the New York Times. Jews and Arabs descended from a group that shared eight of these lineages. This ancestral Arab-Jewish population, in turn, may have descended from the neolithic groups who first developed farming in the Near East. Hammer closely examined the DNA of Ashkenazi Jews, who settled in large numbers throughout Europe. Despite having been surrounded by non-Jews for 80 generations, the rate of genetic mixture with Europeans was only half a percent per generation, according to Hammer. "It could be that wherever Jews were, they were very much isolated," Hammer told the New York Times. Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA "Y Gwir Yn Erbyn y Byd"--Y Bardd Cymraeg "The Truth Against the World"--motto of the Welsh bards A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Date: 2000 Federalist #00-19.brf
I'm sorry to bring this up again, but everytime my inbox freezes up, it it on an email sent by Bill Richer. I then have to go into mailstart.com and erase the "freezing email" -- this does not happen on all Bill Richer emails, and I'm not accusng Bill Richer of any wrongdoing or anything else. I'm told that this could mean Bill Richer has a "worm" -- I don't know totally what this means, but I have to pass it back to the list, because it happens repeatedly. Can anyone suggest anything or help, or enlightenthe situation? Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Date: 2000 Federalist #00-19.brf WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! * Veritas Vos Liberabit * THE FEDERALIST(r) BRIEF The Internet's Conservative Journal of Record http://www.Federalist.com Date: 2000 Federalist #00-19.brf To retrieve today's Brief as printer-friendly text, link to: http://www.Federalist.com/current00-2.asp To support or sponsor The Federalist, link to: http://www.Federalist.com/support.asp __O__ THIS WEEK'S FEATURE FREE SPEECH FOR DR. LAURA! "Dr. Laura" Schlessinger has been speaking the truth in love regarding the destructive choice of homosexuality. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is trying to silence Dr. Laura by pressuring Paramount Television Group and targeted TV affiliates to cancel her upcoming fall TV show. Our friends at Family Research Council are countering homosexual advocates with an ad being run in national newspapers. Join the campaign! Visit -- http://www.frc.org/drlaura/ __O__ INSIGHT "The germ of destruction of our nation is in the power of the judiciary, an irresponsible body -- working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall render powerless the checks of one branch over the other and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated." --Thomas Jefferson __O__ THE GOOD NEWS "For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit." (1 Thessalonians 4:7-8) __O__ FAITH FAMILY "...[A] prohibition on moral judgments against various sexual behaviors is a violation of the freedom, even of the religious liberty, of those who view such behavior as wrong. If we don't have a right to act according to our religious belief by forming judgments according to those beliefs about human conduct and behavior, then, exactly what does the free exercise of religion mean? Can the free exercise of religion really mean simply that I have the right to believe that God has ordained certain things to be right or wrong but that I can't act accordingly? Surely free exercise means the freedom to act according to belief. And, yet, if we are not allowed to act according to belief when it comes to fundamental moral precepts, then what will be the moral implications of religion? None at all. But if we accept an understanding of religious liberty that doesn't permit us to discriminate the wheat from the chaff in our own actions and those of others, haven't we in fact permitted the government to dictate to us a uniform approach to religion? And, isn't that dictation of uniformity in religion exactly what the First Amendment intended to forbid?" --Alan Keyes __O__ OPINION IN BRIEF "Although Ronald Reagan and subsequent presidents have lavished Vietnam vets with praise, we can never give them what they deserve, which is their youth. We lost nearly 60,000 Americans in a war plagued by shabby planning on one side and a narcissistic anti-war movement on the other. Young people were instructed to fight, but not given the means to win. And when they stumbled home from the hell of jungle warfare, they had to endure taunts from a protest movement that viewed its cowardice as a form of nobility. This sorry legacy does, however, permit us to formulate a pithy summary of the 'lessons of Vietnam.' First, if you enter a war, declare war and build popular support. Second, fight to win. Third, honor those who serve. And fourth, remember: A strong military is necessary not just to fight wars, but to prevent them. No sane outfit will mess with a superpower that not only has the means to fight, but the will to punish aggressors." --Tony Snow "...[H]istory owes something to those who went to Vietnam,
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
Gee, Kris, you have even more typos in your response than some of my messages have had -- but I think I get your drift. ... Yes, my mind is always "snapped to attention" by the external forces of Police State tactics against a good family and an innocent kid. Believe me, so have hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of other Americans. I hope you're not believing the #$% polls the Big Networks are putting out about 2 out of 3 people in America supporting the Clinton/Reno/Castro commando raid against the Miami family. What #$$% -- and how come so FEW of the long time conspiracy sleuths on this list seem to be upset by such OVERT lies by the Ruling Elite? As I said, Party on, Dudes! Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style In a message dated 4/23/00 7:51:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This has got to be the strangest Conspiracy Research List in the World, most of its longest standing members seem to always trust the government no matter how outrageous their actions, i.e. Party on, dudes. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- No, I believe that you misread the situation because if an irrational response to Communism. What you are experiencing is you mind be whipsawed to attention by external forces. Balance comes from within. The velveeta revolution card is being played. Yes, their is much conspiracy arraign but your folk's whipped emotives surrounding the Elian case are straight Cheez-whiz, lots of air. The news media is in no way free. Yes, Clinton and Reno are flawed, tragic characters but if you truly believe that they rule their own actions, you have been listening to the deep story. This drama is a public spectacle that has been mostly orchestrated by forces that hold much sway in the Cuban community, that being corruption, the CIA, mobsters and narcotic traffickers, including such folks as the Bush Crime family. Why is there no discussion in the media about Bush's membership in the Order of Skull and Bones and its death-heads symbols and its foreign and Illuminati origins. The Free Press is not free, so what the #@() are you listening to what they are saying. They don't want your mind just your . . . . The Elian case is a slick electioneering farce aimed at hardening ignorance and fear into votes and supposed votes. Ain't no good guys and no bad guys, just "their" guys - Bush, Gore, Buchannon, McCain. And just what in the $*( to you expect one of these "leaders" to do. There are real conspiracies out there. Look before you leap. MHO Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. =
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
Right on Flw -- I am about to post a lengthy report to the CTRL list on this matter. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of flw Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home And apparently done without any kind of warrant - thus totally illegal. -- Kathleen Not True!!! On April 13, 2000 Janet Reno Served The Family A Warrant To Hand Over The Child. By 2:00 PM At The Oppalocka Airport The Miami Family Just Ignored This Warrant 9 Days Is A Very Long Time To Hold Off Due Proccess Just To Manipulate The Media And The American Public At Large How sad! The claimed "warrant" is legally meaningless in regards to authorizing an armed home invasion. The so called "warrant" is merely a self serving INS document. NOT A COURT WARRANT OR COURT ORDER. Since when may a US Govt Agency issue its own "warrant" to invade someone's home without Court authorization? Guess the average American has been so dumbed down regarding the Constitution that they dont even realize they now live in a Police State. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home; Big Update
April 24, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire Elian, Rodney King Case, and Clinton Criminals! www.networkamerica.org "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin (Listen anytime to Votefraud vs Honest Elections "crash course" radio show over the internet at www.sightings.com in the archives, April 3rd, 2000 show, Jeff Rense host, Jim Condit Jr. guest) April 24, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire Elian, Rodney King Case, and Clinton Criminals! The Rodney King Case connection to the Elian case is treated at the end. Thanks to Rep. Tom Delay of Louisiana on Meet the Press, Senator Bob Smith in an Easter Sunday nationally televised press conference, and newsmax.com, -- we have the following, showing the utter illegality of what our occupation New World Government did to Elian and the Miami Gonzales Family: On Easter Sundays edition of Meet the Press, Rep. Tom Delay faced off with one of the Clinton Administration International Criminals, Eric Holder, considered by them a Deputy Attorney General, and pinned his ears back. Delay forcefully made the point that this was the first time in American history that the Executive Branch invaded a private home WITHOUT a court order, and WITHOUT a warrant !!! And God Bless Senator Bob Smith of New Hampshire who eloquently made the same points, and many others, in an Easter Sunday morning Press Conference. He was followed by a tearful and moving Marisleysis Gonzales who beautifully represented all that is good in this fight against pure evil. And this from NewsMax, dated Saturday April 22, 2000 Legal Analysts Comment on Raid NEWSMAX.COM - Andrew Napolitano, legal analyst for Fox News and a constitutional scholar had this exchange today on Fox with Eric Holder, Reno's second in command at Justice: Napolitano: Tell me, Mr. Holder, why did you not get a court order authorizing you to go in and get the boy? Holder: Because we didn't need a court order. INS can do this on its own. Napolitano: You know that a court order would have given you the cloak of respectability to have seized the boy. Holder: We didn't need an order. Napolitano: Then why did you ask the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals For such an order if you didn't need one? Holder: [Silence] Napolitano: The fact is, for the first time in history you have taken a child from his residence at gunpoint to enforce your custody position, even though you did not have an order authorizing it. (End of quote from newsmax.com) So, the usurpers of the Executive Branch of our American government turned a BIG corner on Good Saturday, 2000 they openly, violently, and completely violated the 4th amendment to the US Constitution by raiding a private home without a warrant and kidnapping a person a child -- in that home without a court order, which had been specifically denied them by the circuit court a few days earlier (the court having noted that Reno and the INS themselves had asked for a court order to transfer custody of Elian to the father, Juan Miguel, from the Miami family, -- WHICH FAMILY WAS STILL CONTINUING TO EXERCISE THE CUSTODY GRANTED THEM BY RENO HERSELF and the INS five months ago shorty after the boy was rescued from the ocean. Now, note well: What the Executive Branch usurpers did, was combine in themselves the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branch just like any other dictatorship throughout history. (Just as this administration has usurped the high offices it occupies by means of unverifiable elections, counted in secret, just like all the other dictatorships in history which use elections as a cover have done; -- to be clear, of course, it is not the low-level, cocaine-nosed opportunist Clinton who has effective working control of our computerized election system but the Permanent Revolution Ruling Elite behind him, the Fed, and the 5 Big TV Networks. This Ruling Elite also controls puppet Gore and puppet W. Bush, as we have often stated in this e-wire, -- and if honest, verifiable elections, with paper ballots counted by citizens in each neighborhood, are not restored, then the Ruling Elite will pick either Bush or Gore to install in the upcoming computer-generated election results.) At about 3 PM on Sunday, the Clinton/Reno/Castro Junta, which had maintained until now that they didnt need a court order or warrant to snatch Elian have floated a story that they actually DO have a court order signed by a federal judge after all. Sorry, Clinton Liars, youre 30 hours too late with this latest ploy or else how do you explain your failure to cite it under the intense criticism of yesterday and today, under which pressure you simply said you didnt need one. Before going on, as I write this, there has now been 24 hours PLUS passed since the Clinton Criminals grabbed Elian without any public appearance of Elian and the Juan Miguel. No video yet. No public appearance yet.
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home Big Update 2
of the picture and claiming is looks like a computer enhancement. Let me direct anyone who has competence in this area to check the length and nature of Elians haircut as hes whisked to the government car in the morning, against the length of Elians hair in the photo of Elian and his dad released by thug-Lawyer Greg Craig in the afternoon.) Item: Heres some words I wrote last week before knowing that Elian would be taken into Clinton/Castro captivity before this email was sent: One of the most dramatic examples of Big Media pscho - warfare is happening before our eyes in the Elian Gonzales case. The Ruling Elite do not intend to lose. They intend to parade dad Juan Miguel in front of us a crystal clear hostage and pawn of Dictator Castro, while publicly announcing that he is a free agent, AND while reporting to us all the details of how 6 year old Elian will go to a Castro re-programming center as soon as he gets to Cuba. If they can back down the Cuban American patriots, and return the kid to Communism it is meant to demoralize all the people left in Communist and other New World Order prison camps across the world, and all the rest of us as well -- who understand whats going on. More Tomorrow. Jim Condit Jr., Director Citizens for a Fair Vote Count To contact us, e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please forward our messages to friends and opinion molders. The year 2000 Presidential Campaign offers an opportunity to de-stablize the New World Order Ruling Elite and restore honest elections with citizens checks and balances, true Freedom and true Free Enterprise in America. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
I object to the kind of smear tactics against the Miami Gonzales family employed here by "Bill Bacon" --- both sides are being funded by friends with money -- so what? The Marisleysius press conference today and the Sunday Morning shows displayed the difference between the two sides: The Miami Relatives -- passionate, sincere, normal, sometimes misspeak themselves, heartbroken, truth-loving, open to the Media and the World --- The Greg Craig Thugs of all persuasions: dead-eyed, guarded answers, ruthless, Castro-friendly, police-state friendly, obvious liars, hiding the Dad, and almost certainly DRUGGING Elian. That's why they can't produce him in public. Poor little kid! . . . There is something SERIOUSLY wrong in the spiritual realm with the character of Americans who can't see the difference between those "should-be-in-jail-for-life" evil THUGS Greg Craig, Reno, and Clinton -- and the good and great Americans Marisleysius Gonzales and Donato Darylrimple. All I know is this -- the supporters of Donato and Marisleysius must take over the direction of this nation, completely excluding from public influence or power the THUG Greg Craig faction. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Bacon Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 12:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style Who financed the father's trip from cuba? Who is paying the lawyer? visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 4/23/00 9:10:17 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very often shown outside playing after midnight, too...hardly demonstating that the Miami relatives were competent caretakers of the child... Yeah, and what was he doing awake during the pre-dawn raid? Did he ever sleep? Clearly he wasn't attending school during his stay with the drunkard...Did he recieve psychological therapy for the loss of his mom? What exactly did the Miami family do to demonstrate that they were fit caretakers besides buying (with their seemingly endless supply of cash) Elian everything he wanted? Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http:/
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
To "Bill Shannon": Oh! Tough toe nails! You had to listen to truth for 30 minutes from Marisleysius! She was plenty educated for a first generation Cuban American and, since your knocking Cuban Americans so freely, I'd sure rather listen to her slightly latinized English than the perfect English spoken by all the diabolically-oriented lefty-pro-communist Khazar Jews who inhabit and run "our" newsmedia -- for heavens sakes, I've begin to wonder if my television has turned into the "electronic Jew" in these last few years. This is the same faction that has supported and kept Castro in power since 1959, and who deliberately lied and told the world Castro was a "democrat" and a "Catholic" until he was ensconced in power. How the leftwing Khazar Jews love their diabolical creation, communism! WHen I was going through high school I knew that the Big MEdia and a lot of liberals were subtly soft on Communism -- but the scales from my eyes lifted -- and now -- along with my forbears of the last 1000 years know why! I'm charging that the Clinton/Castro/Craig thugs drugged Elian immediately. News flash for you: the picture of Elian with Dad (who's also in a tough spot) show a bandaid right over where an IV would have been started -- of course, that picture's under heavy attack for being doctored, I'm sure to your dismay -- so I won't rest my case on that, but I mention it. The burden of PROOF is on the federal kidnappers. PRODUCE THE BOY! THey CAN'T. Produce the BATMAN shirt Elian is wearing in the Craig Happy photos -- they're probably scrambling for one now. Everyone I know who's not brain dead, including medical personnel I know, said immediately that the kid was being drugged. Rush Limbaugh said on Friday that if they took the kid they would immediately drug him. You, obviously, are not the least bit disturbed that the boy has disappeared. The rest of your comments are too ridiculous to address --- yeah they're going to let him go to school through this crisis so that the illegal Occupation Government running America could snatch him there - supported by "Americans" like your type! Right. Also, some kids don't start 1st grade till age 7. YOu call Donato a thug -- the guy who rescued Elian from the ocean. You're comments are not serious enough to waste any more time on. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style In a message dated 4/23/00 2:54:13 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Marisleysius press conference today and the Sunday Morning shows displayed the difference between the two sides: ...and also the value of getting an education! Gonzales spoke like a 6 year old...no wonder she and Elian got along so well. And she spoke, or rambled on, for 30+ minutes...what's the deal with Cubans...Fidel rambles for hours on a regular basis...looks like Marisleisis is picking up where he left off... The Greg Craig Thugs of all persuasions: dead-eyed, guarded answers, ruthless, Castro-friendly, police-state friendly, obvious liars, hiding the Dad, and almost certainly DRUGGING Elian. That's why they can't produce him in public. Poor little kid! . . . Oh OK...sure...The only reason you think the kid is "drugged" is because you are repeating some of the more outlandish accusations of the Miami family, what proof do you have? And really, what evidence? That he is smiling to be with his father? ANd the reason he hasn't been "displayed" in public is because, unlike the thug family from Miami, his father has his best interests at heart and is allowing him some much needed RR...outside of the eyes of the world. and the good and great Americans Marisleysius Gonzales and Donato Darylrimple. That's hilarious! You mean 2 of the Miami thugs who refused to hand over the boy in a peaceful manner and therefore forced the feds to take the action that they did? The "fine folk" who haven't taken Elian to school in months? Who produced that horrible hostage-style tape? Who bribed and brainwashed the kid? Yeah, good and great Americans...who cared not one whit for what was best for Elian. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you r
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
Where are you coming from, "Bill Shannon" -- I guess we saw different press conferences. Marisleysius was magnificent. The mental balance of someone who calls her mentally imbalanced based on that press conference is what's a question in my mind. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style In a message dated 4/23/00 6:21:23 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If she is so emotionally and mentally fragile, she's hardly fit to assume the role of Elian's mother... And if you caught her performance in DC yesterday you'd see that she is verging on insanity...rambling...and her level of education too is a concern. We have enough brain-dead parents...she can't even convert her thoughts to words without cringe-inducing errors of syntax and grammar... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Falwell's 'People Of Faith 2000' Campaign Serves Partisan Agenda, Americ...
Dear Alamaine -- The "re-rise" of Jerry Foolwell is related to one thing: stopping the rise of Pat Buchanan. Fallwell's job will be to keep as many religious conservatives, against their better judgement, in the Bush camp. That's all. The Ruling Elite is so afraid of PJB and the anti-WTO coalition coalescing behind him --that they are willing to destroy forever Falwell's credibility here with all but the totally brain-dead evangelicals (which may be a large group). Falwell in one of his last hoorahs anyway due to age. BUT -- the tip off is that Falwell REPEATEDLY said he would never enter politics again, and that he had "finished what he set out to do" by 1987. Along these lines, did you notice that Establishment shill Zogby is putting out phony polls that Nader is pulling twice as much as Pat Buchanan -- but both Nader and Buchanan, or course, are insignificant compared to those OH-SO-POPULAR Gore and Bush. Of course, the Reform Party leaders will lose, and deserve to lose, if they don't challenge the phony Big TV network polls and the computerized vote count. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alamaine Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Falwell's 'People Of Faith 2000' Campaign Serves Partisan Agenda, Americ... Does Revvin' Jerri fancy himself to be some sort of American Pope or something? This becomes rather bizarre inasmuch as he preaches, and he teaches, and he reaches, and he beseeches, and he ... anyway, his paradigm role model spiritual hero saviour type entity didn't get much involved with politics, in fact tales told tell he spake at the infernal angel that worldly things and matters and concerns were not part of the program ... Revvin' Jerry, the little cherub- faced fellow from Lib U, pastor of a small congregation of 20K souls, sure likes that institutionalised bureaucratic Earth-bound political machinery ... gets his hands dirty like them common working folk and gets him on Geraldo at any rate. Given what happened to the Christian Coalition and its tax free- ness, he ought to give more thought to what is written rather than to what he imagines. Of course, in a sinking lifeboat, more buckets seem to be a good solution (until the weight is factored) ... AER Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Falwell's 'People Of Faith 2000' Campaign Serves Partisan Agenda, Americ... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTR
Re: [CTRL] Pope Most Important Socialist in the World Says Gorbachev
While some of us Catholics believe John Paul II is an illegally elected false pope, like John Paul I, Paul VI, and John XXIII before him --- Joseph Siri having been elected in 1958, and then suppressed -- at which point the top echelons of Judeo-Masonry took over the Vatican -- I am responding to the picture presented here of the future Pope Pius XII (who reigned from 1939 until Siri's election in 1958 -- at which point the bogus anti-Popes took over). Believe it or not, very few had the Rothschild-Nazi-Zionist game plan in their pockets at that point to know that the Nazis had been chosen to perpetrate selected managed round ups and massacres -- with the cooperation of top Zionists worldwide, and with the cooperating silence of the Big Newsmedia, like the New York Times, dominated by so-called Zionist Jews -- to scare everyday Jews to leave Europe and get down to the sands in Palestine as prelude to the takeover of that territory in 1948. So pretending like there's something sinister about Pope Pius XII meeting with the new governmnent of Germany --- with that other Rothschild financed monster, Communism, breathing down everyone's back -- is real anachronism. You may as well put a modern clock in the painting of the Last Supper -- because you are using today's knowledge to project backwards on that picture. As I've written before, check the Jewish owned and controlled New York Times in their Christmas day editorials of 1943 to 1945 praising Pius XII and the Catholic Church for being the only force tostanding up to Nazism. Few could know that the New York Times was knee deep in covering up the Zionist-Nazi collaboration, and for strangely remaining silent about FDR's closing of the US borders to Jews from 1933 to 1945 --- which also forced everyday Jews to flee to Israel if they could get out of Europe. See Perfidy by Ben Hecht, and The Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black -- both Jewish authors, both books available at Amazon.com -- With regard to the Roman Catholic Church being the true Church or the whore of Babylon --- here's a test for you all: Since 1958, when I am contending Judeo-Masonry took over the Vatican by forcing true Pope (Joseph Siri) off the thrown, and installing fake popes John XIII (1958 to 1963), (Paul VI 1963-1978), John Paul I (1978-1978), John Paul II, (1978-?) --- every last change has been in the direction of Protestantism and Judaism. The changes in the structures of the Church have been so profound, that many hundreds of Latin Mass chapels have sprung up outside the the normal church structures to preserve th pre-Vatican Council II (1962-1965) Roman Catholic Faith, which, we would say, is the true Faith. Now here's the BIG QUESTION: if the Roman Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon -- then how come it's apparant latter day moves are all in the direction of Protestantism? Shouldn't they be in the opposite direction, if Protestantism is true? Aha! But those who reject all religion will say -- it's all a bunch of baloney and the historic Roman Catholic Church is collapsing under its own corrupt weight. This school would say that the shunting aside of Siri in 1958 is irrelevant, just another corrupt election. Well, here's what to watch for: If the Vatican has been taken over and the true Church, faithful and hierarchy, have been evicted from the Church's structures (as my faction maintains) then you are going to see a most unlikely and miraculous collapse of the fake John Paul II Church, and the impossible rise of the true Church, with a papal line, now unknown to the world, tracing back to Pope Pius XII and the 1958 conclave. Incidentally, I don't have any inside information on how this might happen or who it might involve. However, just as many prophecies of Catholic saints have predicted this counterfeit church now in control of the Vatican, the same prophecies say that when the Church rises again, it will be so amazing that everyone will be forced to say: The finger of God is here. At that time all the old disciplines and ceremonies will be restored, and all the bogus Vatican II changes will be flushed in the blink of an eye. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David SutherlandSent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 8:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Pope Most Important Socialist in the World Says Gorbachev Pope Most Important Socialist in the World Says Gorbachev http://www.russiatoday.com/news.php3?id=148203ROME, Apr 4, 2000 -- (Agence France Presse) Former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev on Monday described Pope John Paul II as the most important socialist in the world, for making the plight of the poor and solidarity key themes of his papacy.Globalization can also have destructive effects but we must pursue, as the pope says, its positive aspects, the former
Re: [CTRL] Buchanan Addresses Teamsters on Eve of Anti-IMF/WTO Demos
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Sorry, Bob, it's Buchanan or nobody. You're against WTO, but are going to
vote for Gore if push comes to shove? No Comment. Jim Condit Jr.
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Behalf Of Robert F. Tatman
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Subject: [CTRL] Buchanan Addresses Teamsters on Eve of Anti-IMF/WTO
Demos
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PLEASE NOTE: I don't personally endorse all of Pat Buchanan's views or
support his candidacy. But it seems to me that this item will be
of interest
to members of CTRL. Buchanan does point up the highly diverse (and rather
confusing!) nature of the Fair Trade/Anti-WTO-IMF-World Bank
movement. IMO,
however, the movement needs a far more progressive spokesperson,
one who is
not already identified with the racist and jingoist right-wing elements of
the Republican Party. Unfortunately, I don't think we've seen that person
emerge yet; Ralph Nader is the nearest candidate, but I'm afraid
he carries
too much of his own baggage. (I'm still inclined to vote Green anyway in
November, unless Bush really looks as if he's going to win, in which case
I'll hold my nose and vote for Gore to keep the GOP out of the
White House.)
Bob
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Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:04 AM
Subject: [a16-international-planning] (unknown)
On April 12, at about 10:30-11:00 AM in Washington, DC, Patrick J.
Buchanan, the likely Reform Party presidential nominee will address a
rally of about 3000 Teamsters (and anyone else who shows up!).
Buchanan, known for his opposition to globalization, will give a hard-
hitting speech detailing his stand against MFN-PNTR for China, the
IMF and the WTO. The rally will be on the Mall across from Teamstes
Headquarters.
Come and hear his speech, all invited, and keep an open mind!
Buchanan, America's most well known supporter of fair trade, also
went to Seattle last year (mostly behind the scenes, though he made
the case against the WTO on during a dozen media interviews, praising
the peaceful protesters...later, Buchanan claimed that he dressed up
as a turtle :).
Pat Buchanan, currently at 9% in polls (same as Ross Perot was in 96,
though what do polls know?), also believes that American should lift
the bloody (500,000 died so far) economic sanctions on Iraq, and all
countries around the globe (Bush/Gore won't do that).
Also, Buchanan was the only presidential candidate to speak out
against the imperialist Yugoslavia war (that's something Nader won't
do, I asked him today when he visited our campus),
and also promises to withdraw all US troops from Europe, including
the Balkans if elected.
Buchanan also advocates campaign finance reform, Same Day Voting,
term limits, universal ballot access for third parties, and the
termination of lavish congressional pensions (Newt Gingrich got $4
million once he left Congress!).
Buchanan, winning support from Reform Party members, working class
conservatives, steelworkers, independents, and even people like
Lenora Fulani...his current support consists of nearly 9 million
American voters, and Pat hopes to make an impact on any who will
listen.
Pat Buchanan is campaigning around the country (check out
www.buchananreform.com and www.buchanan.org) meeting with Reform
Party activists and Republicans Democrats sick of the status quo.
Pat Buchanan is the AntiWar-Peace candidate, the Fair Trade
candidate, the Reform Party candidate promising real change for
America's workers taxpayers.
So again, I hope you will come and hear Pat's exciting speech on
April 12, 11:00 AM in front of Teamsters Headquarters. Bring your
friends, and remember its important to hear all viewpoints.
Thanks,
ISU Student
Some Buchanan Speechs:
End the Imperial Wars! ('A Republic, not an Empire')
http://www.buchananreform.com/new/speechs/antiwar.htm
Campaign Finance Reform Speech
http://www.buchananreform.com/new/speechs/harvard.htm
End Bloody Iraqi Sanctions!
http://www.buchananreform.com/new/speeches/moral_foreign_policy.htm
If you want Reform, vote Reform!
http://www.reformparty.org
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Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: ANTI-CHRIST JEWS (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hey Nurev --- Your answers to F.W. Poley read with a hint of a Jewish rascist and supremist. Have you every criticized anything Jewish on this list? Do you object to the fact that in Israel the Jews have blue licence plates on their cars, and the Arabs are forced to have yellow (or maybe the color scheme is different, but you get the point)? Or is "blending the races" just Jewish propaganda for every other people, but not for themselves? Regarding Franklin's words which have been reported for at least the last 50 years, and I believe were on public display at one point, if they still aren't --- I don't need to listen to any "conspiracy theorists" to see that anti-Christ pseudo-Zionist Jews like Cohen, Albright, Rubin, Rubin, Berger, Emmanuel are dominating that federal government; that anti-Christ Jews like Schumer dominate congress; that anti-Christ Jews like Speilberg, Katzenberg, Eisner, Geffen, etc. etc. etc. dominate Hollywood, the Major TV stations, and every major radio station in America. I see it before my eyes and I don't like it. And I hope all decent Christians join me in that, including and especially those of Jewish decent. Furthermore, I'm expecting in my lifetime to see all these anti-Christ Jews exposed and thrown from power -- No, dear Nurev -- I don't mean that in the way you're hoping, I don't mean the neutralizing these political devils with the kind of stupid, cruel persecution and murder that pseudo-Zionist Jews like Ben Gurion and Chaim Weizman perpetrated against their own people (See Perfidy by Jewish Hollywood Screen Writer Ben Hecht, available again from Amazon.com, and the Transfer Agreement by Jewish Author Edwin Black) in conjunction with the Warburg-backed Hitler Nazis (Hitler perhaps as much as half-Jewish himself, see unintentional evidence provided by the newly released book, Hitler's Vienna by Brigitte Hamann, starting on page 48, published by Oxford Press, copyright 1999 and translated from the German, and already a bestseller in Germany and Austria, now available in American bookstores) -- I mean a simple exposure and removal from power by peaceful means, leaving the wretches to live out their natural lives in obscurity and/or opprobrium for their nefarious deeds, although truthfully some might be put on trial for treason and be spending much of that time in prison -- if this country ever comes to it's senses. Regarding Pope Pius XII and your insinuation that he was "complicit in evil" during WWII, you might have to climb over these bodies before the get to Pius XII: the New York Times, and the major radio stations and budding TV stations (all Jewish owned, see Jewish Encyclopedia, or many other sources). Why didn't these Jewish controlled publications decry what you're claiming Pius XII ignored? Why did the New York Times PRAISE Pius XII on Christmas day 1943, and 1944 -- check for yourself, although I stand correction on the years -- it may have been 1942 and 1943 -- why did Albert Einstein praise Pius XII and the Church for being the only force in Germany against Hitler -- why did the chief Rabbi of Rome, I think his name was Zoli -- convert to Catholicism and take the name Eugenio in honor of Pius XII (whose name was Eugenio Pacelli)? Why, indeed, dear Nurev? Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: ANTI-CHRIST JEWS (fwd) -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:42:53 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Teacher of YHVH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: ANTI-CHRIST JEWS From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any discernable difference betweeen Pro-Christ and Anti-Christ Jews? If so, what is it? FWP Jeez Poley you're soo fu*king easy. On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Teacher of YHVH wrote: ANTI-CHRIST JEWS -- -- There are a lot of Christians who are so "wishy washy" they are afraid of their shadow. They don't believe Christians should be militant for their faith. They can't or won't understand the meaning of Hebrews 12:4, where it says: "Ye have not resisted unto death, striving against sin." (That word "sin means "unrighteousness.") They turn their backs on the fact that God declares we are His Battleaxe.(Jeremiah 51:20). It is the Christians duty to take a stand against evil, not to supp
[CTRL] Cong. Steve Largent: Moron
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I was had some hope in Cong. Steve Largent, I can't remember why. I just watched him on Sunday morning FOX news show talking like a moron about sending Eliot Gonzales back to Castro for brainwashing, based on his perverted phony-Ralph Reed/Pat Robertson/ Jerry Falwell Ruling Elite pseudo-Christianity. ... Ruling Elite mouthpieces Cokie Roberts (how disgusting of a New World Order shill she is!) and Sam Donaldson -- asked an Elian lawyer 5 different ways how can he best help to pave the way for handing Elian back to Castro, and how can he try and stop the community from forming a human shield around Elian to prevent the New World Order Gestapo from coming to send Elian back to his assigned province in the New World Order. (Incidentally, ABC is releasing its phony polls again -- claiming on the same show that 59% of "the people" want Elian to go back to Cuba, -- but that, due to the election year, Al Gore has to pander to the people who want to keep Elian in America!!! How dumb do they think we are? Do you really think Al Gore, who is no doubt totally in sympathy with his fellow Bolsheviks Clinton and Castro on sending Elian back to Cuba, would be pandering to the "keep Elian in America" crowd if it was just a few thousands Cuban-Americans in Florida Hades, NO! THese network execs and anchors should be put in jail for releasing phony polls like this. Thank God for the Americans of Cuban descent in Florida and Mayors who have announced that the surrounding police departments will not help that group of unindicted felons known as the Clinton Administration send Elian back to Communism. We'll see if "Alice the Goon" Reno dares play with another WACO over this issue. Jim Condit Jr. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] radioforchange.com
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dear Kris -- I am most interested in any books you may recommend regarding your findings as expressed below. If you've posted some of these, simply point me to the titles again, as I only see my email intermittently, and therefore have not had time to scrutinize everything in the last year. Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] radioforchange.com -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jim, We all must understand that the perfidy hits both "sides" and was especially created for that very effect. My research has shown the whole Jewish/German issue was "picked" as an Hegelian dialectic framework for the schemes of the "powers-that-be" in the 1700s. Most players even many "elites" are hoodwinked as are many of us hoi polloi into various controllable factions. Rather than having a zionist -led conspiracy, one uncovers more of a highjacking of certain apsects by another group which does includes jewish elements and then starts the manipulations that led to today. But these manipulations exposedmake no less the tragedy visited upon us hoipolloi, either by hoodwinked warriors or murdered marginilized humanity in a holocaust. Yes, there have been many other'holocausts' and they continue, but at least they are being discussed. And this same "powers-that-be" have created many organizations that have good and bad aspects for the hegelian affectations upon our culture and pysches. And I am more interested in that what we hoi polloi have in common than in those emotional tugs that the "powers-that-be" like to use to divide us. The books you mentioned are highly recommened for understanding our times. The is even more to the show than the script, there is the theatre, props, gaffers, lights, producers, directors, etc and even an audience. MHO Om K In a message dated 3/6/00 10:28:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- -Cui Bono?- Dear Dave or Bob, First of all, everyone should know that Working Assets is the evil phone company which brags about giving 1% of its customers phone bills to baby-killing Planned Parenthood, the anti-Christian network's legal arm, the ACLU, -- and the sodomite / homosexual lobby. I'd bet they censor out any worthwile causes the pet degeneracies. From their the e-mail from, I guess Bob, degenerated to disinformation. The Irving Trial is a libel suit against Deborah Lipstadt who is one of those "Shoah Business" Professional Holocaust Hollering Holies who believe that they can violate truth, cover up facts, and call anybody anything they want --- and Irving called her on her slander and libel. Some of her defenders who appeared on the CNN 15 minute piece that appeared a few weeks ago on CNN's SUnday night 9 PM program -- wailed that "in England you have to prove what you say" or something to that effect. GOOD! It's only the crooked case that allowed the New York Times to slander Sullivan years ago which allows todays deporable big media to slander people mercilessly (like Pat Buchanan) without getting sued. Anyway, Irving is NOT a Holocaust denier, i.e. does not deny that there were deplorable wide scale massacres of Jews during WWII in Nazi territories) -- there were, and the Zionist leadership was cooperating with Hitler to help bring some of it about (see The Transfer Agreement by Jewish Author Edwin Black from Amazon.com, and "Zionism in the Age of Dictators" which is on the web in toto if you punch the title into a search engine, to name just a FEW sources -- but Irving wants some historical balance brought to the debate. For instance, he didn't say that Auschwitz was Disneyland, he said it was a kind of macabre Disneyland, i.e. built to be a tourist attraction. That's right, built. And if you don't know that informed observers on all sides admit that the buildings on display of Auschwitz, in all essentials, have been built since the end of World War II. The writings of Robert Faurrison, a French socialist who just couldn't stomach the falsehoods being told by the Holocaust lobby for political and financial gain, just prove this beyond any shadow of a doubt, but quoting from anti-revisionist scholars, historians, and participants in the discussion who are disgusted with damage that the Auschwitz display are doing to their cause as the word leaks out. And the Irving Trial has put it on front and center stage world wide. Anyone interested will be able to get ahold of the transcripts on the internet or elsewhere now,
[CTRL] Bill Richer emails
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I don't mean this to sound the way it's going to sound -- but I have an incredible amount of times when my provider (Cincinnati Bell) get "stuck" on an incoming e-mail from a CTRL email. Everytime I've been able to isolate it by going into mailstart.com and delete the apparant offender, it has seemed to be an email from Bill Richer that hung up the system. Is anyone else notice this? I'm not trying to throw any darts at Bill Richer --- I just can't figure it out. I might ask Bill Richer, also, if there is anyting about his emails that might be unusual? Anybody that can help on this I would appreciate. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 10:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] The Smell Just Won't Go Away A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bill Richer emails
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- OK Bill, Thanks for responding. I've just noticed this apparant pattern, but it must be something else. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bill Richer emails -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- there is nothing different about my emails. Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] radioforchange.com
e "toasting" the absolute domination of anti-Christ Jews like Chuck Schumer and the the whole crowd of leftwing, anti-Christian Jews running the entire establishment media in the USA. While I don't agree with the man's metaphysics, or much of his history, there is a chapter thoroughly documented beyond a doubt that is availabe free on the web --- it's at davidduke.com and it's a chapter in his book My Awakening. I checked in on his site after he was on FOX's THe Full Nelson a few Saturdays ago, and -- credit where credit is due -- the chapter is devastating on showing the faction that runs all major media in the US. You may like this state of affairs, or you may not, but the "research" is there, -- and in all the other sources I named, -- for all you truth seeking fellow conspiracy theory research listers Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] radioforchange.com -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Scoop) The Scoop - http://www.bobharris.com/ Hi all -- Before the column, a quick radio update⦠1) Thought you'd like to know that we're giving away $5000 a week on my new morning radio show... Working Assets is actually giving away over $100,000 total to worthy causes nominated by listeners who visit their web page at http://www.radioforchange.com. If there's an activist group you like -- national or local -- just go to their online form, and then fill out who you are and why you support the group. We draw names every Thursday morning shortly after 9 am eastern time, and if you hear your name drawn, run to the phone and call in, and you can tell our growing audience what's so cool about the group on the air yourself. Working Assets will then send them the $5000 posthaste. This week's winner was the Safe Schools Coalition. Becky, who nominated the group, was really fun to talk with. Maybe next Thursday I'll be talking with you⦠it could happen⦠2) Not really a radio thing, but what the hell: congratulations should be sent to Doris "Granny D" Haddock, who completed her 3000-mile march for campaign finance reform on Tuesday. If you were listening to the show, she was kind enough to squeeze my show ten minutes for an interview that very morning, in between NBC's Today Show and ABC's Good Morning America. What a sweet, amazing, cool woman. You can read the news from the end of her journey and send her congrats at http://www.grannyd.com. 3) Listenership to http://www.radioforchange.com has more than tripled in the last month. I'd be writing about it even if I wasn't directly involved. I hope you'll tune in. Almost the entire Congressional Progressive Caucus have been guests on one show or another, and a number of our Action Alerts have already resulted in changes in government or corporate policies. On yesterday's show, Laura Flanders had an interview from Santiago with the brother of Orlando Letelier (the leading dissident assassinated by the CIA-supported Chilean secret police), speaking about the return to Chile of dictator Augusto Pinochet; I stopped blithering long enough to report on 24-hour satellite surveillance programs now being used on parolees, tracking their every move via the Global Positioning System; and Matt Rothschild from The Progressive told listeners about the resignations of the UN's main inspectors in Iraq in protest of the human cost of continued sanctions, a story almost completely unreported in the U.S. The hope for a genuine progressive, alternative broadcast medium seems to be a real one. This whole thing excites the hell out of me... check it out! Thanks! Bob THE SCOOP for March 6, 2000 © copyright 2000 Bob Harris Fascism is on the rise... possibly because nothing else is for these people. Digressing for a moment: it's amazing what sort of lunatic ideas people can choose to believe. In England, there's a libel trial underway in which the plaintiff (who claims that Auschwitz was a kind of "Disneyland") is basically putting the Holocaust itself on trial. So Israel, which has an obvious interest in making sure that the millions of victims aren't dishonored, has released the memoirs of Adolf Eichmann. The memoirs, while not the most fascinating reading, turned out to be, in the words of the newspaper Ha'aretz, "very orderly." Well, *of course* they were orderly. The guy *was* a Nazi, after all. Adverbs, line up! And now much of the civilized world is alarmed and puzzled at the rise of Nazi apologist Joerg Haider and his far-right Freedom Party. Is it caused by a
Re: [CTRL] Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Response to Kris Millegan's summary of the Lipstadt vs. Irving Trial. I admit I haven't seen everything on the list, but below is a very selective report on the trial. Regarding the Auschwitz buildings, Irving seemed to have prevailed convincingly that what is being shown to the public in the last quarter century can not possibly be buildings that were used to be gas chambers. Remember, Lipstadt has to prove that Irving's views are "nonsensical" -- which clearly is not the case as Irving is prevailing and all the points Lipstadt originally brought up, as far as I can tell. Most importantly, he is producing films and reports right after the war which contradict the "unique event in history" claims of present day Hollywood and other professional propagandists. Charles Provan, who is a revisionist of sorts himself and was at Irving's 1999 conference along with Jewish writer John Sack associated with Esquire Magazine --- anyway, Provan did actual experiments where he recycled diesel gas (twice I believe) into a closed and somewhat sealed barn. The recycled gas as I understand it becomes very poisonous, and the animals were dead within an hour or so (I'd stand correction on the exact time needed to kill). So clearly gassings of these types were possible. It's the extent that's the subject of legitimate historical inquiry --- and the official Hollywood version clearly in retreat. The big story is that Hitler and the Nazis were cooperating heavily with the Top Zionists to round up the everyday Jew amidst scary speeches and propaganda from Hitler, -- then provide for a period could choose to leave Germany for Israel -- then close the borders again, and so on. This evil charade included FDR who closed America's borders to Jew trying to get out of Hitler's Germany AND, of course, the New York Times and the rest of the Jewish run media, which even then was a considerable portion of the media, who DID NOT complain or run any kind of a public propaganda campaign against FDR for closing the US border to European Jews trying to come here. To be blunt: The Jewish run Media outlets in the US have run 1000 times the campaign against Austria and Jorg Haider (sp?) in the last two weeks, than they ever ran against FDR for closing US borders to Jews from 1933 to 1945. WHY? Because the top Nazis and top Jews were COOPERATING to force the everyday Jew down to Palestine, as a prelude to declaring the State of Israel in 1948. Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt, and Churchill were all financed by the Judeo-Masonic top bankers --- with the everyday German, Jew, Pole, Italian, Russian, etc. -- caught in the unholy crossfire of these on again off again warring thugs and financiers. That's the real story. David Irving is basically right in all his thrusts, and will prevail if the judge hasn't been blackmailed or bought - but even he doesn't seem to understand the "bottom line" of the whole deal which I have explained above. The Rakovsky Interrogation, which commentary we will have out soon, will go a long way to explaining the WW II mystery in a way that all of good will -- will understand. Jim Condit Jr. CertainlyThe question is whether the whole German nation and the bulk of the German war machine under Hitler knew this was going on -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:594530"Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed/A - Subject: Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Thu, Feb 10, 2000 5:28 PM Message-id: 87vok5$8pa$[EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.jewishsf.com/bk000128/ilipstadt.shtml"http://www .jewishsf .com/bk000128/ilipstadt.shtml/A Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed LONDON (JTA) -- In his trial against an American writer, Holocaust revisionist David Irving said last week he was "willing to eat humble pie" on at least one issue. The British citizen, who is suing U.S. Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt in a London court, admitted under cross-examination that the Nazis "systematically" gassed some 97,000 Jews in trucks. Irving acknowledged he had been "quite plainly wrong" in earlier statements that the Nazis used gassing trucks "on a very limited scale to experiment." Irving is suing Lipstadt, a professor at Emory Univers
Re: [CTRL] Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dear D.B.Cooper --- I wanted to say that I totally agree with your analysis. And I would go further to say that the second question is, what was the nature of this "state secret", i.e. what's become known as the Holocaust. As I said before, there is no question that there were rounding ups, killings, brutality --- but, as I also said in the last email -- the MAIN goal was to get as many everyday Jewish people in Europe down to Palestine as a prelude to the state of Israel. If you can find it, track down the excellently written book by Ben Hecht, the Hollywood Screen writer who worked with David O. Selznick on Gone with the Wind, and who also wrote the screenplay for "From Here to Eternity." Hecht supported the most radical sect of the pre-state of Israel Zionists -- the Irgun. Hecht's book, Perfidy, written in 1961 proves from a trial inside Israel that Ben Gurion and the boys were working hand in glove with some of the Nazis, and vice versa -- and that they worked together to STOP Jews who were working to STOP roundups of Jews by the Nazis. Why? Because the Top Zionists wanted the roundups, replete with killings, to scare as many Jews as possible down to Palestine, and to provide the moral imperative for the existence of the state of Israel. Remember, Ben Hecht is saying this in Perfidy. And it's very eloquently written, although I, as a Catholic, totally disagree with Hecht's worldview. incidentally, sorry for such a poorly written previous reply to Kris Millegan, but I kept getting interrupted and didn't re-read it; but I think the basic sense was clear. Regarding D.B.Cooper's reply to me, it's not only the Germans who are treated as collectively guilty of the Holocaust by the Dominant Media -- it's also the Catholic Church; both propaganda thrusts must be vigorously challenged at all points. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Damian B. Cooper Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 11:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Lipstadt trial: Denier admits Jews were gassed -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- At 06:18 PM 2/12/00 -0500, Jim Condit Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - - snip - - - CertainlyThe question is whether the whole German nation and the bulk of the German war machine under Hitler knew this was going on The contention that the "the whole German nation" knew that there was some kind of mass extermination program going on against Jews or anyone else is totally absurd. And beyond being absurd, it is bigoted in the extreme: it defames an entire ethnic and national origin group and provides bigots and extremists a justification for depriving people of German, Swiss, or Austrian origin of their human and civil rights. The treatment and disposition of Jews and other prisoners and detainees of the Third Reich was a STATE SECRET. A state secret is not something that an authoritarian government shares with the masses. The reality of the situation is that the German public and almost all of the military was totally unaware of and had no involvement in the so-called "Holocaust". After WW II, the U.S. and its Allies found to their dismay that the German public had little sense of "guilt" for their participation in WW II. To them, it was defense of their homeland and the overturning of the travesty of the Versaille Treaty. The U.S. government (or more particularly, a vicious cabal of insiders such as Treaury Secretary Morganthau) made "German guilt" the centerpiece of their post-war policy toward Germany. Through propaganda, re-education, and political domination, they intended to make the German population accept the entire burden of guilt for everything that happened in WW II (and WW I). This would conveniently exculpate various U.S. and Allied industrialists who made vast fortunes in WW II by profiteering off the "war economy" (It was just such war profits from WW I that was the paradigm for L'il Orphan Annie's patron, "Daddy Warbucks".) If "the War Effort" was accepted by the American public as a matter of high minded morality, then no questions would be asked, no hearings would be held to look into the corruption and profiteering of certain well connected American bigwigs. (World War II was not without its "Wag the Dog" element.) One of the consequences of the U.S. propaganda campaign against Germany is that the perception of Germans and Germany has become a totally, absurd, false caricature. and the publics of most western European nations now easily accept and embrace the most hysterical, exaggerated and false stereotypes about the reality experienced by most Germans in WW II. In reality, there is no questi
Re: [CTRL] Vote Fraud
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I assume this is going only to Bill Richer as I pressed reply rather than "reply to all" -- Thanks Bill for spreading Linda Muller's email about the upcoming battle over fair elections and computerized votefraud in the 2000 elections. We just started a new "announcement only" list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] about this subject -- I believe you can get aboard if you wish by sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best Wishes. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Vote Fraud -Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! Dear Brigade, "The overriding importance of this issue [vote fraud] is contained in that gem of unintended wisdom from Communist tyrant Josef Stalin: 'Those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who COUNT the votes decide everything'" Please read the info below on Vote Fraud from our good friend Jim Condit. His website is: http://www.networkamerica.org Brigade, it's not too early to start organizing and setting up a battle plan against vote fraud. Please contact Jim Condit [EMAIL PROTECTED] His organization - Citizens for a Fair Vote Count - will be leading this effort. For the Cause, Linda ------------ From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Request of Help for Website on VoteFraud Date sent: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:04:37 -0500 Dear Linda, Could you please forward this letter to the Buchanan Brigades nationwide to alert them to the votefraud battle that we must fight in order to insure that Pat Buchanan has a fair shot at becoming our next President. Our website at http://www.networkamerica.org has been updated recently regarding the upcoming Iowa Caucuses. I personally believe that Pat WILL be the next President IF we can get a fair count, and IF he can get into the national debates in spite of the totally bogus Presidential Debate Commission. By the way, if you're noticing the arrogant imperial attitude of the Dems and Repubs on that Debate Commission, you have a hint of the arrogance encountered at Voter News Service and the others entities which have now maneuvered American citizens into a corner where it is effectively illegal for citizens outside of New Hampshire to count or double check the computer-generated vote on election night. For those who might not be familiar with this all-important issue, the opening essay on the Network America home page sets the stage. The whole story on the Dubuque vote fraud issue as well as a lot of information about the strange GOP Primaries of 1996 can be found by clicking "archives" at the bottom of the home page. Also see the "votefraud archives" and the second item on that page which is: "1996 GOP PRIMARIES, RIGGED IOWA CAUCUSES, AND ARIZONA PRIMARY -- Newspaper put out by Citizens For a Fair Vote Count about the 1996 GOP Presidential Primaries." Also, the fourth item on that page is "A HOUSE WITHOUT DOORS: (FROM THE PRESTIGIOUS CHRONICLES MAGAZINE) -- Explanation of Proven Votefraud against Pat Buchanan and the people of Dubuque, Iowa perpetrated by Voter News Service -- an arm of the 4 Big TV networks." In closing, thank you for doing as much as anyone in the whole country to get out the word on the votefraud issue and the need to restore honest elections â with citizen checks and balances â once again in our nation, just like in the days of the Founding Fathers, right up to the dawn of the computer age circa 1970. Your list members should know that you immediately grasped this issue once it surfaced in 1996, and volunteered your time to set up our website â the first in the nation dedicated to restoring honest elections and exposing the dangers of computerized votefraud. Your list members should also know that a few months after you set up our networkamerica website (at that time networkusa, which is now the fingerprint website), Popular Science magazine noticed and stated on Page 74 in its November, 1996 issue that our website includes "a fascinating argument that Pat Buchanan beat Bob Dole in the Republican primaries only when paper ballots were manually counted. You decide." I hope that after the Buchanan Brigades read the website, they will e-mail their "favorite" news outlets and tell them that we know the elections are riggable for central locations, and we demand a return to citizen checks and balances at the LOCAL precinct. The overriding importance of this is
Re: [CTRL] Chafee dies
-Caveat Lector- Hey Nurev, as you know, probably to your great approval, I haven't commented on this list for months but I must return to remark that the below is an exceptionally witty reply and I laughed for quite a while when I read it. Thanks for the good laugh. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 10:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Chafee dies -Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/25/99 5:35:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NPR has just reported that Rhode Island Senator John Chafee has died at the age of 77. Wasn't he active in CFR or the Trilateral Commission? No one mentioned him being a member of Skull Bones, either. Om K Well if he wasn't before, he sure is now. I'd like to see all of them join Chafee's chapter of skull and bones. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Shroud of Turin
-Caveat Lector- The point of my post was that there is impressive evidence that the Shroud is the real thing. IMPRESSIVE. See "A Doctor at Calvary" (I believe that's the exact title) and there are places on the internet that offer IMPRESSIVE studies supporting the Shroud. Some of the best is put out by the Abbe de Nantes and his Catholic Counter-Reformation out of France, with English translations. I believe they lead with this as a key item on their website. ... And again, if the Shroud is a fake, it should be able to be replicated today quite easily. However, no one's even trying to create one, which would at least throw a lot of doubt on the original. It is laughable that most of the anti-Shroud people disregard or never look into all the IMPRESSIVE evidence for the Shoud --- but accept evolution in spite of all the evidence that, at presents, disproves all theories that have thus far been advanced in favor of evolution. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 7:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Shroud of Turin -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/25/99 5:24:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since the Shroud of Turin is such a fake, created six centuries ago --- William Shannon wouldn't mind creating a few more, I'm sure. I mean, with today's technology it should be child's play. Carbon dating is very unreliable, -- it falls into the category of "evolution", which, on the basis of the available scientific evidence, stands totally disproven as of now. Carbon dating isn't worthless, but it can mean one of several things, depending on the premises. The new "don't raise any questions" propaganda tool is the DNA testing; the results released two days before the 1998 election showing that Jefferson and Sally Hemmings had relations and a child -- prove to be fraudulent, as since Jefferson had no male surviving line, there was no way to do the test. It was just a guess Incidentally, please advise us all when the new Shroud "fakes" are done. Thanks. Jim Condit Jr. P.S. opportunists making up fake relics do not necessarily discredit the orginal happenings. I must agree with the notion that Carbon dating is unreliable in some cases, and this may be one of them. I also must agree that just because there is a fake does not mean that there was not an original somewhere. However, it also does not mean that there IS. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE 16 CRITICAL FACTS THAT YOUR KIDS WILL NOT LEARN IN SCHOOL!
-Caveat Lector- Dear Maggie --- your post is an inadequate response to Mr. Stroufe's 16 points. I believe that verifiable history would support all, or at least almost all, of Mrl Stroufe's points. For instance, I am 1/2 Irish, and while I am a great booster of the Irish people (Ireland -- that land of saints and scholars) as a constructive force in society, it would be ridiculous for me to be offended by the historical evidence that inventors descended from the Germanic peoples have been responsible for most of the technological advances. ... furthermore, if someone had not provided me with most of the technological advances, I don't think I would have ever stumbled on them myself. Where I part company with most people who stress the facts that Mr. Stroufe raises (and I'm not pointing a finger a Mr. Stroufe here, as I don't know where he stands on what I'm about to say) -- is that there seems to often be a total lack of Christian charity towards the other peoples of the world. As goofy as the LaRouchees are on many points, I think that LaRouche has spoken wisely in urging the US and European countries to help transplant modern technologies, such as railroads, and I would everything else, into Africa and Asia. This would be Christian charity, and the under-developed countries could pay the developed countries back somehow after the technology was more advanced and in use. It would be cruel for us to have the technology, but stand back coldly, and, in effect, look down are noses at the more primitive societies make them wait decades or centuries until they caught up (if ever). The development of these countries would more than benefit all in the long run. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 9:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] THE 16 CRITICAL FACTS THAT YOUR KIDS WILL NOT LEARN IN SCHOOL! -Caveat Lector- Good thing for the students that are black children, huh? People who think like you make me fear that we will never rise above this tragedy called life on earth. -Original Message- From: Peter L. Sroufe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 2:53 PM Subject: [CTRL] THE 16 CRITICAL FACTS THAT YOUR KIDS WILL NOT LEARN IN SCHOOL! -Caveat Lector- + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ... CELEBRATE HOMOGENEITY I just posted the following on my web page at http://homepages.go.com/~theusaman/facts.html -Al- [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE 16 FACTS CRITICAL FACTS THAT YOUR KIDS WILL NOT LEARN IN SCHOOL 1. The White race made America what it is today. 2. American heritage is White heritage. 3. American law is based upon White concepts from White European thought. 4. The American all-White neighborhoods of the past were demonstrably safer, and freer of crime of all sorts than integrated neighborhoods of today. 5. The American all-White schools of the past were clearly superior to any integrated school of today. 6. All great societies of the past which were White as they rose to power, when they changed from being dominantly White, to a dominantly mixed race society, they fell permanently into decay. (e.g. Egypt, Greece, Rome, Spain, Portugal.) 7. Racial integration of our neighborhoods and our schools has forced them into decay, just like the racial integration of the societies of the great White nations of the past caused them to fall into decay. History, both ancient and recent American, have consistently taught the very same lesson. It is clear beyond any debate, that modifying the racial composition of America away from the dominantly White society that it was as it rose to power, towards a mixed, racially diverse society, will be catastrophic. It will plunge the great American nation into the same depths that the other great White nations of the past have fallen into. 8. Based upon the extensive history of the Black race it is clear that they are not capable of creating or maintaining an advanced society. They have never created one advanced society in Africa. In every case (such as Haiti) where they have been given a thriving society, they have killed it, driving it into the same primitive state that their people have always lived in, in their native Africa. (For any who is foolish enough to doubt
Re: [CTRL] The Secret World of U.S. Communism
-Caveat Lector- Bobby Kennedy probably was aware that the real danger was from the bankers that the Kennedys were fighting on some fronts, and not from the comical Communist Party USA -- although much evil was done on lower levels by that crowd. Ric Carter misses the point if he thinks that those funding Communism every intended the US to speak Russian. The bankers funding Communism (at that time, not now) spoke English and lived in New York, Washington DC and London. Get George Knupffers book STRUGGLE FOR WORLD POWER, any of Anthony Sutton's books, especially Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution. Also, pick up the Strawberry Statement by a sixties radical who expresses bewilderment at one point that the radicals in the street were being funded by EXXON and other big Capitalist centers. He doesn't know what exactly to make of this, but notes it. And there are many books offered on the Project website that go into these things. Also, get the book Red Symphony -- if you can find it. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ric Carter Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Secret World of U.S. Communism -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Peter L. Sroufe [EMAIL PROTECTED] What Atty. General Bobby Kennedy supposedly did not know at the time, but the CPUSA did, was that the American Communist party then - and back to its beginnings in 1919 - was bankrolled by the Kremlin. And of course they were spectacularly successful, which is why we all speak Russian now and listen to THE INTERNATIONALE on our MP3 players, eh? Comrades Reagan, Greenspan and Gates were perfect 'plants', eh? Comrades Jobs, Gingrich and Bush might not have done so well, but they were even less obvious in their "deep-cover" positions, eh? Ya sure. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tim Leary FBI Snitch-
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps this (FBI connection) explains that very strange long-term friendship (in the nineties) between Tim Leary and G.Gordon Liddy. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of YnrChyldzWyld Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tim Leary FBI Snitch- On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, William Shannon wrote: The attached FBI files show that "counter-culture icon" Timothy Leary was in fact one of "them"... Leary never hid the fact that when he started out, his studies were funded by the Department of Justice and the CIA June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Shroud of Turin
-Caveat Lector- Since the Shroud of Turin is such a fake, created six centuries ago --- William Shannon wouldn't mind creating a few more, I'm sure. I mean, with today's technology it should be child's play. Carbon dating is very unreliable, -- it falls into the category of "evolution", which, on the basis of the available scientific evidence, stands totally disproven as of now. Carbon dating isn't worthless, but it can mean one of several things, depending on the premises. The new "don't raise any questions" propaganda tool is the DNA testing; the results released two days before the 1998 election showing that Jefferson and Sally Hemmings had relations and a child -- prove to be fraudulent, as since Jefferson had no male surviving line, there was no way to do the test. It was just a guess Incidentally, please advise us all when the new Shroud "fakes" are done. Thanks. Jim Condit Jr. P.S. opportunists making up fake relics do not necessarily discredit the orginal happenings. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: The Shroud of Turin DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: New Thinking: Milosevic And Clinton
-Caveat Lector- Oh, dear! The forward of Gerry McGovern's comments on Clinton and Milosevic represents some of the most shallow analysis imaginable. Clinton would not last two more weeks if the 4 Big Networks turned on him. His gosh!gee! Tom Sawyer persona helps and caters to the mush-brain mindset that passes for compassion in modern America. There is no give and take between Puppet Clinton and the American public. Clinton's bosses and sponsors TELL us there is. They dish up their phony public opinin polls, phony exit polls, and riggabble computerized vote counts on election night, and tell us what "we think." As long as America and our leaders continue to accept these three bogus techniques, without even questioning how any one of them achieve the "results" they achieve, -- we are in for a rough ride. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CobolMage Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fw: New Thinking: Milosevic And Clinton -Caveat Lector- NEW THINKING NEW THINKING NEW THINKING NEW THINKING NEW THINKING Free weekly email contributing to a philosophy for The Digital Age By Gerry McGovern Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.nua.ie June 14th 1999 Published By: Nua Limited Volume 4 Number 24 MILOSEVIC AND CLINTON What's the difference between Slobodan Milosevic and Bill Clinton? (There are many.) One has a knack of calling his defeat a victory, the other keeps pulling victory out of impending defeat. Why? A central reason is that Bill Clinton is a child of the Information Age, whereas Slobodan Milosevic's persona belongs way back in the Industrial Age. Bill Clinton has continuously overcome obstacles by engaging in a two-way conversation with the American people. He listens. He is always reaching out to his constituency, asking them how things are going, what they think about this and that? Bill Clinton doesn't 'rule'. He manages by consensus. And no matter how great his personal failings may be, the American people respond to him because he responds to them. Slobodan Milosevic rules with an iron fist. Unfortunately for him, iron fist thinking belongs back in the Iron Age. He is a dictator, pursuing xenophobic nationalist policies, and his cruelty is only matched by his untrustworthiness. Milosevic has a total lack of understanding of the key principles that underpin the Information Age. He still believes that power is maintained by hoarding information, whereas, in fact, today you get and keep power by spreading information around as quickly and efficiently as possible. You can't keep the public (your workers or consumers) in the dark today; they simply won't accept it. Milosevic is rarely seen in public. He hardly ever talks to his people, let alone listens to them. Serbia has little hope of participating in a productive manner in the Information Age, with that sort of archaic system and thinking. Because to survive, Information Age societies, economies and companies must be open and must embrace and share information. The consumer in the Information Society takes it for granted that the information they require will be available to them. If they come to you and you refuse or are unable to supply them with the information they require, then as I heard someone state, 'your competition is only one click away. Not giving a consumer the information they require today is like refusing to give them your telephone number ten years ago. In fact, the information game has moved on to a whole other level. The free flow of information has for many become a flood. Providing a quality flow of information merely gets you into the game today. You may think your information is valuable but what's really valuable is a consumer's time. A key challenge is thus getting the consumer to spend time digesting your information. Understanding a consumer and developing a relationship with them allows you to know how they spend their time and money. You get to know what their specific information needs are, thus allowing you to customise your information (and product) to their needs. Whatever you might personally think of Bill Clinton, he is unquestionably a pioneer of the Information Age. He knows that you succeed today by communicating, listening and creating consensus. (19 NATO countries staying unified was no small achievement.) I, for one, infinitely prefer a world managed by Bill Clinton than one ruled by the likes of Slobodan Milosevic. Gerry McGovern mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have enjoyed New Think
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo War, planned?
socialist named Adolph Hitler who received overwhelming money from Wall Street (see Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony Sutton or WHo Financed Hitler by James Poole -- the original 70s edition, as the recent on has 200 pages missing) and Rothschild money (talked about by Rakovsky in Red Symphony) who begins saber rattling against German Jews; next, International Jewry calls a boycott against Germany in 1933 to be lifted when enough Jews are transported to Palestine; Next Roosevelt (always best friend to the Zionists) closes America for all practical purposes to Jewish Immigration from 1935 to 1945 -- Jews are left with one out -- go to Palestine. Now here's the tidbit: the first ship carrying Jews to Palestine from Germany was captained by a Nazi officer (high up) and the ships name was changed from the Hofhausen (crossed out) to Tel Aviv (painted on) AND -- the ship flew two flags: the Swastika and the Star of David! Needless to say there's much more - but this should keep the plate full for any serious researcher. Many of these books are hard to find, but are usually at big library's; some are readily available. Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. P.S. Nazi official Rudolph Hess, who had made the surprise mission to Churchill in 1942 at which landing he was jailed till the end of the war -- sat all alone in Spandau prison from 1945 to 1989 -- with four countries (US, FRance, USSR, and Great Britain) each sending soldiers to guard this big prison with just Hess in it -- each country taking one week every month. Why did he sit there, never allowed to talk to his family without a NATO official present to monitor? He sat there as a warning to all those high officials in Britain, Germany and elsewhere who knew about the tranfer agreement between the Third Reich and the founders of Israel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [prj] Political Insight Into the Origin of the War with Serbia YOUR PERSONAL POST OFFICE...TRY IT FREE FOR 90 DAYS! It's like having your own post office, right in your home. No more tripsto buy stamps. Meter refills itself. Save up to 20% on postage. Try it free for 90 days. Click here! http://a-albionic.com/postoffice.html ** * END Damian B. Cooper wrote: YOUR PERSONAL POST OFFICE...TRY IT FREE FOR 90 DAYS! It's like having your own post office, right in your home. No more tripsto buy stamps. Meter refills itse A lengthy but interesting analysis into Internationalism's War of Aggression. I've not heard of "Western Forum" before. DBC A Western Forum Editorial Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domain: http://westernforum.webjump.com snip Zionists have their own individual interests. At a minimum these interests run parallel to corporate interests - i.e., whatever benefits the corporations also happens to benefit Israel - but often are simply one and the same thing. No one can dispute the extensive Zionist influence in the government of the United States since World War I. Today, they occupy the majority of the Clinton administration. It seems reasonable to conclude that multi-national interests have been strongly - if not completely - under Zionist management for almost a century. snip BFWhat proof is there of this? It would appear to me that if Zionism is an outgrowth, in the secular sense, of the Freemasonic-Novus Ordo Seclorum paradigm, though an extension that is not atheistic or globalistic, then it would oppose the interests of the neo-Holy Alliance, or the Rockefeller-multinational-national security state New World Order. And how has America been ruined by "mandatory democracy", as if we had any such thing? Brian Kennedy, or someone, should answer this for me so that I understand, once and for all. The only thing I agree here is that NATO and the US are manipulated in all of this, just as the Slavs are. But Zionists are only a mnaipulated entity too, and are quite a pain in the "tuchus" to both schoolss of orthodox political globalism, even as the yearning for the Messiah may represent a globalist urge of some kind. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Kosovo War, planned? -Caveat Lector- THE FOLLOWING new world order INTELLIGENCE UPDATE WAS WRITTEN ON MAY 16, 1998 and refers to the 1996 and 1998 Bilderberg Meetings and Kosovo... (This is me speaking, btw, in these next three paragraphs.) The first time I ever heard the word "Kosovo" was over two years ago in the reports which forecast how the Bilderbergers hoped to bring about a debilitating war
Re: [CTRL] Darwin Awards
-Caveat Lector- Dear Steve, these great anecdotes about stupid criminals are unusable in other publications unless the source is given for where the stories appeared, as well as some more specifics, such as Judges' names, etc. etc. Looking forward to such documentation in the future. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Wingate Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 12:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Darwin Awards -Caveat Lector- (These people may have the full expression of the special "Annunaki genes". "Live short and be stupid". -- SW) --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date forwarded: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:18:26 -0500 Date sent: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:23:59 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[illusions] Darwin Awards CRIMINAL DARWIN AWARDS - Colorado Springs: A guy walked into a little corner store with a shot gun and demanded all the cash from the cash drawer. After the cashier put the cash in a bag, the robber saw a bottle of scotch that he wanted behind the counter on the shelf. He told the cashier to put it in the bag as well, but he refused and said "Because I don't believe you are over 21." The robber said he was, but the clerk still refused to give it to him because he didn't believe him. At this point the robber took his drivers license out of his wallet and gave it to the clerk. The clerk looked it over, and agreed that the man was in fact over 21 and he put the scotch in the bag. The robber then ran from the store with his loot. The cashier promptly called the police and gave the name and address of the robber that he got off the license. They arrested the robber two hours later. --- A woman was reporting her car as stolen, and mentioned that there was a car phone in it. The policeman taking the report called the phone and told the guy that answered that he had read the ad in the newspaper and wanted to buy the car. They arranged to meet, and the thief was arrested. - A true story out of San Francisco: A man, wanting to rob a downtown Bank of America, walked into the branch and wrote "this iz a stikkup. Put all your muny in this bag." While standing in line, waiting to give his note to the teller, he began to worry that someone had seen him write the note and might call the police before he reached the teller window. So he left the Bank of America and crossed the street to Wells Fargo. After waiting a few minutes in line, he handed his note to the Wells Fargo teller. She read it and, surmising from his spelling errors that he was not the brightest light in the harbor, told him that she could not accept his stickup note because it was written on a Bank of America deposit slip and that he would either have to fill out a Wells Fargo deposit slip or go back to Bank of America. Looking somewhat defeated, the man said "OK" and left. The Wells Fargo teller then called the police who arrested the man a few minutes later, as he was waiting in line back at Bank of America. - A motorist was unknowingly caught in an automated speed trap that measured his speed using radar and photographed his car. He later received in the mail a ticket for $40 and a photo of his car. Instead of payment, he sent the police department a photograph of $40. Several days later, he received a letter from the police that contained another picture...of handcuffs. The motorist promptly sent the money for the fine. - Drug Possession Defendant Christopher Jansen, on trial in March in Pontiac, Michigan, said he had been searched without a warrant. The prosecutor said the officer didn't need a warrant because a "bulge" in Christopher's jacket could have been a gun. Nonsense, said Christopher, who happened to be wearing the same jacket that day in court. He handed it over so the judge could see it. The judge discovered a packet of cocaine in the pocket and laughed so hard he required a five minute recess to compose himself. - Oklahoma City: Dennis Newton was on trial for the armed robbery of a convenience store in a district court when he fired his lawyer. Assistant district attorney Larry Jones said Newton, 47, was doing a fair job of defending himself until the store manager testified that Newton was the robber. Ne
Re: [CTRL] Nurev misfires again [CTRL] Big Bad Socialism
-Caveat Lector- Big problem with the below essay, if money was being issued in an equitable and just manner, social security and medicare would be unnecessary. FDR and company broke the country's collective leg by artificially withdrawing money from the economy -- calling in all loans, etc. in 1929 --- and then handed us the crutch of social security, welfare, unemployment, and medicare. If anyone wants to know how to pull the rug out from the gangsters and banksters vulturing the country through Alan Greenspan (one man I might believe is a Reptilian -- not even using a disguise), then check out the Social Credit sights which you can find on your search engine. Money should be issued in balance to the goods and services available, and the possible near-term production -- and at no interest to the people, or, of course, the government -- which should be issuing the money with a tight system of checks and balances, that's the catch. THe Greenspan Crowd charges interest on all new money issued -- did you ever notice that the richer the United States gets -- the more deeply we are in "debt" why? --- because the money which the Fed issues against our nation's productivity is issued with interest AGAINST ourselves and our nation from the moment it is brought into existence. Crazy! and criminal. The Social Credit system (or, National Credit, as its called in Hungary, most of the US, and elsewhere) would eliminate unnecessary big government AND defang the large corporations --- all in one master swoop. Seek out Social Credit sights for those of you who would understand money. Try to get ahold of the 8 page (newspaper) pamphlet: The Money Myth Exploded by Louis Even, for a real lesson. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nurev Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Big Bad Socialism -Caveat Lector- Subject: Big government: it works Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:53:35 -0500 From: Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice column by Joe Conason, in today's Salon: The cultural imperative of the moment is to honor our elders, whose achievements during the past half-century are now being celebrated in bestselling books by network anchormen Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings, as well as in essays and columns and television specials. When it comes to values like ethics, patriotism, and sacrifice for the common good the generation that overcame the Depression and won World War II looks pretty good especially in contrast to the baby boomers now in power. Implicit in this chorus of praise for Mom and Dad (or Grandma and Grandpa) is a conservative parable for America at the end of the American Century, a stark morality play about hard-working, self-denying citizens as opposed to their lazy, narcissistic offspring. Yet within this same fable lies another very different message that contradicts and subverts the conventional wisdom of our time. The venerable generation now passing into history knows something critical that we are being taught to deny. In their dotage, older Americans understand that their generation's best friend has been big government, which has saved so many of them from poverty, insecurity and medical bankruptcy. They know, from their own experience with Social Security and Medicare, that government can do big things and do them well. To say this sounds almost shocking in the present political climate, when the corporatization of pensions, health care, schools and even prisons is so fashionable among Republicans and Democrats alike, that the suggestion of any new federal program encounters almost automatic derision. The old faith in public institutions has been discarded, and we are advised every day to bend our knees instead before the great Golden Bull of the Market, from which all blessings supposedly flow. The sustained rise of the Dow Jones index has validated this new idolatry -- and now, in an irony few seem to appreciate, we are told that the systems of social insurance devised by our venerated elders must be dismantled. If only we will place our faith in Wall Street and turn our faces from Washington, then we can all be rich in our old age. All we have to do is "privatize" Social Security through individual investment accounts (and turn Medicare over to the managed-care industry). Heroic media images of the World War II generation subtly reinforce those arguments, urging us by example to emulate the rugged individualism of a more upright and self-sufficient era. But even a glance at the real history of postwar America demolishes that free-market myth. Our parents and grandparents did work hard and sacrifice, but they also relied heavily upon the state to help them earn a better life. Government provided the G.I. Bill that educated them, the home loans that sheltere
[CTRL] Conspiracy Nation? How do we subscribe?
-Caveat Lector- How does one go about subscribing to Conspiracy Nation? Thanks. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Redman Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Booth Tells All! (fwd) -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: Booth, using an alias, married Izola Forrester in 1859. She was already pregnant by Booth at the time. The child of their union, Ogarita Booth, was born in 1859. If Booth married while using an alias, would not the child have had a different last name? Yes, she did. I forget right now what it was. Orgarita Booth's daughter (Booth's grand-daughter) wrote a book, "This One Mad Act," published in 1937, which I'm in the middle of reading. Thus far, her book is *very solid*. The book is probably out of print; I got it through the local university's library. It has several family photos, including one of Ogarita Booth wearing a brooch around her neck; brooch is size of silver dollar, containing photo of John Wilkes Booth. This wearing of such a brooch circa 1885 is very daring, considering the hostile climate against JW Booth at the time. It's impossible to convey the strength of the book, "This One Mad Act," in e-mail. The book carefully explains the situation. I plan to write a review in Conspiracy Nation, but even that will be inadequate to the book. Highly recommended book, if you can get hold of it. Brian Redman Editor, CNNS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Booth Tells All! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- My information is that Jefferson Davis was Catholic, and the Pope Pius IX sent him some kind of a supportive letter, although I've never been clear on how far it went or what it was in reference to. . . . . as a lateral issue, I've found that if I can't remember a line of argument, it often doesn't hold water. Example: the anti-vaccine people make the case that small pox and polio were going away anyway even before the vaccine came out -- but I can never remember what the reasoning is. 2nd example: the argument that the Civil War wasn't over slavery --- I've seen some people on Politically Incorrect and elsewhere argue this passionately, -- but can anyone succinctly state their case? States Rights isn't good enough, because what States Rights were they fighting for? The right to enslave fellow human beings? That as absurd as the right to abortion. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Redman Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Booth Tells All! (fwd) -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- I must add, Jefferson Davis was in our family tree - and the little booklet I have with the southern lines, etc., is sealed with a royal crown. anyone who was a Davis, was treated with great respect even up to the time I was a little girl. Was Davis Catholic? Do you know? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Christian Reconstructionist Thesis--Rutherford Foundation--fromThe Bloodless Coup-Mind It
-Caveat Lector- Dear Lloyd, a caution on Mellon Scaife -- my sources in that area say that Mellon Scaife is one of the Ruling Elite and finances false opposition to make sure they stay within certain bounds. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lloyd Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Christian Reconstructionist Thesis--Rutherford Foundation--fromThe Bloodless Coup-Mind It -Caveat Lector- This post is ridiculous. Christian Reconstructionists certainly exist and Gary North and Rushdoony are among them. However, there is no evidence I have seen that the Rutherford Institute is Reconstructionist. That they defend unpopular Fundamentalists including Reconstructionists, etc. does not prove they are reconstructionists. Sorry, but Nazis and Reconstructionists have free speech rights like everyone else and their rights are routinely trashed by the "politically correct" tendencies of the Establishment. Typical left-wing hysteria and guilt by association. Thank God Mellon Scaife finances folks willing to hold the filthy, stinking Clinton Administration to the law. *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Video Finder, Free Catalogs, Links, Sweepstakes, What-Not: http://www.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm *** -Original Message- From: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:37 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: Christian Reconstructionist Thesis--Rutherford Foundation--fromThe Bloodless Coup-Mind It -Original Message- From: GOANDRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Christian Reconstructionist Thesis--Rutherford Foundation--fromThe Bloodless Coup-Mind It Martin, I tried the ADDRESS YOU gave me for Lloyd's list and got an error message. Is it [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is what I typed, let me know if it's right. Andre On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Martin H. Katchen wrote: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:59 -0800 From: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Christian Reconstructionist Thesis--Rutherford Foundation--from The Bloodless Coup-Mind It -Original Message- From: Lee Markland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Christian Reconstructionist Thesis--Rutherford Foundation--from The Bloodless Coup-Mind It Thanks Martin: Henry Hyde let it slip on the Senate Floor when he said it in clear voice. "This is a cultural war". When they say it ain't about sex, (Clinton's Impeachment) they are only partially correct. It isn't about Clintons sex life, but it is about psychosexual needs and politics. Don't you think this would be a relevant posting for psychohistory, or are those "historians" psycho cases themselves. I haven't seen anything there yet that engenders my respect. Lee At 03:31 PM 3/1/99 -0800, you wrote: THE RUTHERFORD FOUNDATION A malevolent force is behind Paula Jones. The Rutherford Institute, which pays for Paula Jones legal fees, is part of the Christian Reconstruction Movement. The Rutherford Foundation receives money from Richard Scaife. CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM: by Rev. James W. Watkins Simply put, Christian Reconstructionists (CR's) are Christians who believe that the only way to solve modern America's problems is to bring back 16th century Puritan Massachusetts. The CR's are politically active ultra-conservative scriptural literalists. They use the phrase "inerrant Law-Word of God" to describe their biblical view. They do not believe in traditional American notions of Separation of Church and State or in public education. They do not believe that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" as Thomas Jefferson wrote in our Declaration of Independence. Th
Re: [CTRL] Monica Barbara's tale of terror and terrorism....
-Caveat Lector- Well, can't resist. The post below from the alt.conspiracy is too ridulous for words. The Lewinsky Affair is a Master Play put on by the Dominant Jewish Ruling Elite (incidentally that's a play off Bob Dornan's phrase "Dominant Media Culture" -- used in order to exclude the Jews who do NOT go along with this Dominant Jewish Lobby). Ken Starr is what he looks: a weak sister who is being easily managed. He admitted in his Congressional testimony that he did not interview or meet even one witness - which the Jewish Valley Girl Monica L. partially confirmed with the Jewish Power Chick (ugghhh!) Barbaw Wawa. Starr is married to a Jewish woman, and found himself surrounded by liberal Jewish Advisors like Sam Dash(a Democrat) --- the stage was set for Clinton to be toppled if he didn't give in to all of Israel's demands (which he has, especially by placing CIA agents - which means US troops to back them up to "supervise" the peace process --- also, don't worry super-American-citizen-traitor-and-Isreali-spy Jonathon Pollard will be released by Clinton eventually). But, since Clinton DID give it to all Israeli demands, the nincompoop Starr had to have the rug pulled out from under him -- so all the Jewish agents in this circus moved into that script after the Wye Peace Conference. Sam Dash absurdly holds a press conference (covered pervasively by the Jewish owned Big TV Networks) pulling the rug out from Starr right after Starr's Congressional Testimony. (See ANOTHER type of press conference mentioned below -- FAR MORE SUBSTANTIVE -- that was 100% squelched by the Big Media.) I'm sure the Jewish lawyers on the absentee Starr's staff WERE leaking info to the press, although they'll never take the fall, but it did make Starr look bad at key moments -- this would never have happened if Clinton was to be toppled. Starr would have won all the way --- Monica, the Mossad-agent-of-influence -- would have been made into a millionaire no matter what happened, she did her disgusting job. . . . Hey, remember when pawn Starr announced he was going to quit and go to Pepperdyne -- and then suddenly he reversed himself. He was TOLD to get back into line. And then, after the Wye Conference, did you know that his Chicago law-firmed (I'm betting Jewish run) suddenly cut his $1 million per year salary off until the investigation was over --- that was a sign to Starr to wrap it up, as the whole "scandal" had served its purposes (only a few of which I've mentioned). Richard Mellon Scaife is another Ruling Elite Jew who funds the phony conservatives (even sometimes funding good guys like Christopher Ruddy to try and keep them within bounds if possible) to perpetuate the Ruling Elite Play given life by the Ruling Elite's Big TV networks to an (as yet) unsuspecting public). Even Matt Drudge, who I enjoy watching and think is a very talented showman, has served no other purpose that to put the heat on Clinton for Israel. Incidentally, I don't believe Drudge is his real name (too convenient, like "drudge up the dirt on . . .") -- can anyone help me on this? And he looks like he could be another Jewish actor sent out to co-opt the Internet Investigative Crown in the eyes of all but the very, very well informed. Here's the rule: if you have a part written for you in the Ruling Elite's play, then you get coverage. If not, you don't. How about some proof? Two Starr assitants, one named Rodriguez, resigned from Starr's staff in protest because Starr and his handlers were blocking a real investigation of the Foster death. Rodriguez and the other guy (reported in Chris Ruddy's The Strange Death of Vincent Foster) had a full press conference in Wash DC, with real reporters --- and it was squelched by ALL the Big Media -- most of the people on this list probably didn't even hear of this incident. Why? No part had been written for them, the Foster situation would have revealed too much about Clinton's handlers. (When someone like Gennifer Flowers breaks through the Press Curtain because of AIRTIGHT evidence -- she is just ridiculed to death -- you can bet your life Flowers isn't cashing in like Monica -- she wasn't written in the script). Any way --- get rid of your school-girlish and school-boyish fears of the limp-wristed Ken Starr who was just a helpless pawn in this Play (incidentally, after a few false steps towards an investigation of Starr, he will be allowed to quietly return to his luxurious lifestyle -- he played his part well too, however little he grasped what a pawn he was.) The Ruling Elite that managed this play is who you all have to fear, but many of you, even those of you who constantly search out "conspiracies" amongst common-sense-people who are trying to stop the New World Order, even those of you who apparantly greatly sympathize with this Ruling Elite, will find out how much you have to fear -- too late, I fear. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message--
Re: [CTRL] Netanyahu Taped Clinton's Sex Calls To Monica???
-Caveat Lector-
I hope YOU take criticism well Sgt Bee, and traipsing around in Israel
hasn't helped your propensity to miss the obvious -- anymore than it's
helped Rush Limbaugh's. You're offering about carving up the world and
supporting an underdog in each region is interesting and intriguing -- I'll
check it out. But WHO are these mysterious conspirators who are "Getting
away" Open your eyes, dear brave man (I'm not being sarcastic here),
and look at who owns "our" Big TV Networks, Hollywood, who runs the FED
("our" money), and look who is running the Clinton Administration at every
turn.
Quite frankly, you military guys and police guys, due to your macho nature,
have trouble admitting when YOU have been used as a pawn -- and if you've
been involved in any US military actions recently -- you have. America
cannot be saved without at least a small courageous contingent of military
type men coming to the aid of their country and pulling a "Pinochet" on the
Ruling Elite at the Networks and at the Fed -- I'm not talking about
violating their persons or their rights here --- just removing them from the
positions from which they so viciously harm the American public.
So, to the really informed on the list, the B.S. meter went off when you
PARROTED that tired old unfair and illegitmate "anti-Semitic" charge to try
and intimidate Bill Mulcahy -- who I hope continues to stand tall. Just for
your information, the anti-Semitic charge tanked for good when the Ruling
Elite pushed Bill Buckley into firing the brilliant columnists Joe Sobran,
and ESPECIALLY when Ted Koppel and the other vicious Jews running the Big
Media tried to savage Pat Buchanan with the anti-semitic shillobeth in 1992
and 1996. That's too bad, because there are anti-semitic people --- and now
the charge will not stick even against them. On balance this is good for
now, because it's the anti-Christianism of the Ruling Elite that dominates
today. There's nothing anti-Semitic (actually we should be saying
anti-Jewish, as Arabs are all semites too) per se in Bill M's statement
below. He's speaking in the tradition of Our Lord Jesus Christ (see St. John
Ch 8, v 44, and Rev: 2:9; 3:9), St. Stephen, the first martyr, St. John
Chrysostom, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John Capistrano, dozens of Popes of the
Catholic Church, and more too numerous to mention. The Ruling Elite Jews and
their fellow travelors need to be talked about that way until they stop
their evil, or their evil anti-Christian agenda is stopped. Please get and
read the books of Fr. Denis Fahey before YOU further mislead people,
especially Fahey's book "The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the
Jewish nation. Jim Condit Jr.
-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Scott Bourassa
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Netanyahu Taped Clinton's Sex Calls To Monica???
-Caveat Lector-
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Bill Mulcahy wrote:
Subject: Netanyahu Taped Clinton's Sex Calls To Monica???
From: "Bill Mulcahy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, Mar 3, 1999 7:31 AM
Message-id: 7bjknq$dt5m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Talk about a blockbuster story! Read the story below or go to
website: http://www.nypostonline.com/news/4016.htm
snip!
When will Americans wake up to the fact that you cannot trust the
racist state of Israel which is only interested in manipulating,
corrupting and controlling America and other "goyim" (the racist
term for non-Jews) countries?
Bill Mulcahy
Excuse me Bill, but isn't the pot calling the kettle a darker
shade of grey
here? I won't even attempt to deny the story, but by wrapping your
Anti-semitic views in a book report offered by the NY Post, you seriously
underestimate our Bull-Shit Detectors. I myself am "goyim", but
I've been to
Israel; I spent six months traveling back and forth between the
Golan heights
and the Sinai Desert, what about you? Y'know who funds more of Israel's
efforts than anyone else? Americans and their wonderful
government (I've heard
estimates that range from $20-60Bil). Do you know why? A great
number of the
individuals who send money are of Jewish origin, and do so to help their
'brethren', and secure their history. The American government assists the
Israelis for the sole (soul?) purpose of controlling the Middle East; by
installing a friendly government into an already troubled
country, and then
dumping billions of dollars into their economy; by building the major road
surfaces in and around Tel Aviv; and by sending them surplus or
outdated (but
still newer and more capable than their enemies') military tanks and
helicopters for free, they have managed to effectively control
the situation in
the Middle East like puppet masters. They've been doing it since
'73, and with
close to 2000 groun
Re: [CTRL] Hate Literature calling Father COUGHLIN: once America's No. 1 Fascist
-Caveat Lector- Kris, I won't take back my compliment, but I'm gonna have to read some of the other posts to see if they are white-washing the Real Conspirators (like super-criminal FDR) by bashing real American heros, such as Fr. Charles Coughlin. I've put my comments behind *** below so that they can be easily found. . . . Kris, if you see Coughlin as more of a danger to the world than FDR . . . . where in the Hades are you coming from?? I'm afraid I've already made a correct educated guess . . . Jim Condit Jr. (Comments below) -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 1:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Father COUGHLIN: once America's No. 1 Fascist -Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Encylopedia of American Scandal George C. Kohn©1989 Facts on File ISBN 0-8160-1313-6 - Father COUGHLIN: once America's No. 1 Fascist In May 1942, authorities of the U.S. Government, acting with the archbishop of Detroit, moved against the pastor of the Shrine of the Little Flower, in Royal Oak, Michigan, depriving him of his avocation. ** The Archbishop who was protecting Coughlin (just as the prelates in Ireland protected Fr. Fahey) had died, and the new Archbishop, not being the man or Catholic that the former was, cooperated with the government to silence Fr. Coughlin. The government's threats meant NOTHING, and if Fr. Coughlin hadn't been silenced by his cowardly (or misinformed) superior and a sinking Vatican, he would have GLADLY fought the Judeo-Masonic traitors who were by then running the Fed and the US government, on behalf of all Americans and all humanity. (the forces that took over in 1958 already had Pope Pius XII surrounded in the sense that his information flow was unreliable, as well as the fact that after WWII, there were no superpowers who were not devoted to the take over of the Vatican Structures, which they accomplished at the conclave of 1958). From his archbishop, he received a choice: cease writing and other non-religious activities or be defrocked. The government gave no choice; acting under provisions of the Espionage Act of 1917, it stripped his magazine Social Justice of its mailing privileges. In both cases, the grievance against the Reverend Charles Edward Coughlin was the same: sedition. **The government didn't dare to bring any charges against Fr. Coughlin, and simply used its muscle to shut him off at the mails. If the Catholic Bishops could see what we saw today, and if they had the courage, they would have backed Coughlin in his fight between the FALSE alternatives of Judeo-Masonic-Backed Vulture Capitalism (Roosevelt), Judeo-Masonic-Backed Communism, and Hilterian Fascism - and all humanity is still suffering the consequences of the Catholic Bishops failure to back Coughlin once Roosevelt shut the mails down. Had the federal authorities been so inclined, a second charge could have been leveled: treason. **They didn't dare -- and who knows what threats they used against the Vatican (including nuclear, and THAT's another important story) to pressure the Vatican during this whole frightening period in which the forces of Satan made so many advances (through Nazism, Communism, and Roosevelt-ism) against Christian Civilization. Both before and during World War II, Father Coughlin had been America's most vocal backer of Europe's fascistic governments, our wartime foes. **Sorry to give you an unwanted history lesson, but Fascism (corporate government) is NOT condemned by the Catholic Church ( as opposed to Nazism, which is) -- and Franco's government was a good government which saved Spain from the Red Nightmare, which is why the Dominant Jewish Lobby never forgave him, even to the point of endless jokes on Saturday Night Live after long after Franco was dead. Coughlin had not always been seditious and unpatriotic. **Oh, what a generous concession from whatever no-count twerp is writing this. Ordained in 1916, the Ontario-born priest had only one enemy: Marxism. He had been imbued with theories of Social Catholicism during his seminary training, **Only we Cathlics are "imbued" -- never are Jews imbued with Talmudic teachings that other people aren't human, of course. See www.hoffman-info.com under books for the new dynamite blockbuster pamphlet for mass distribution proving that the Talmud teaches that non-Jews are not human. These pamphlet have survived internet debates with Jewish internet leaders trying to defend the Talmud. and he believed that Catholic principles in economics could save the common man. **Economically, they can. Go on your search engines and look for the websites dealing with "Social Credit" But he went beyond these precepts; impressed by the Vatican's signing of concordats with Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Francisco Franco, he
Re: [CTRL] [2] AMERICA'S SECRET ARISTOCRACY
-Caveat Lector- Kris, while I often only weigh in with comments to disagree, I must here express thanks for all the information you are taking the time to provide the list. You are setting a high bar and elevated example for all of us to try and follow. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] [2] AMERICA'S SECRET ARISTOCRACY -Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: AMERICA'S SECRET ARISTOCRACY by Stephen Birmingham (C) 1987 Berkley Book, New York, NY 1990 - A very interesting book for details and such. Very well researched and I would reccommend many of Mr. Birmingham's books to any searcher of history. For it is my belief, that by better understanding history, we can see today's course. Om K - 18. Secret Society Only recently a New York woman, who can trace her lineage to the gracious Dutch women who founded Society in New York, gave a dinner for fifty of her friends. Practically all of them came of families antedating the arrival of the British fleet that turned Nieuw Amsterdam into New York. No mention was made of the affair in any paper in New York City, first, because the old regime did not and still does not believe that publicity is necessary to social success, and second, because the city at large has forgotten the families who built it. Yet these families endure, submerged, and women whose ancestors have directed the social life of New York for ten or more generations still continue to entertain and be entertained without the blare of publicity. These words, from Mrs. Joful King Van Rensselaer's book, The Social ladder, were penned in 1924. But they could just as easily, and accurately, have been written in 1987, and about private enclaves of New York gentlemen. Few New Yorkers today are probably aware of the existence, in their very midst, of a small, elite men's club called The Zodiac. It is typical of America's secret aristocracy that The Zodiac should have been created, in a very real sense, in secret, that it should have passed its hundredth anniversary several years ago without anyone but its members knowing, and that even the Social Register- which publishes the names, addresses, telephone numbers, and officers of all the elite clubs in the country-should be unaware of The Zodiac. The Zodiac has no clubhouse, and no address, and no telephone. It has no bylaws and no president, and no list of its members has ever been published. And yet it is easily the most exclusive club in the United States. As its name implies, its membership is restricted, at any given time, to only twelve male members. The Zodiac was founded in the 1870s by the elder J. Pierpont Morgan, and to understand the principles behind The Zodiac it is first necessary to understand Mr. Morgan. J. P. Morgan has enjoyed, for some reason, the worst posthumous reputation of any man in the history of American banking and finance. History has portrayed Morgan as vain, autocratic, stingy, curmudgeonly, and money-mad. He was in fact none of these things. What he was, was an aristocrat to the marrow. When Morgan died in 1913, much was made in the press of the fact that, out of his $69.5 million fortune, only a small portion of his estate about $700,000-was left to charities, giving the impression that the public weal was one of the last things Morgan cared about. What was overlooked was that, during his lifetime, Morgan had contributed vast sums to a wide variety of causes. He was a notable collector of rare books, paintings, and other art objects, and many of these were given to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, of which he was president. Over the years, he had made large financial gifts to this museum, as well as to the American Museum of Natural History, Harvard College (especially to its medical school), the Lying-in Hospital of New York, and the New York trade schools. He was also the principal financial backer of the Groton School, in Massachusetts. It has also been forgotten that, in 1895, when the U.S. Treasury's gold reserves had sunk dangerously low, Morgan's bank loaned the government $62 million in gold to shore up the gold reserves to the $100 million level, thereby supporting the country's currency and averting a financial panic. In his will, furthermore, Morgan stipulated that his son and principal heir, J. P. Morgan, Jr., should make regular annual gifts to designated charities. At the time of Morgan's death, the "huge" size of his fortune was drawn to public attention. In fact, his fortune, though respectable, was far smaller than those of Henry Frick, E. H. Harriman, or Andrew Mellon and even smaller than those of Thomas Fortune Ryan and Payne Whitney. And Morgan's money was as nothin
Re: [CTRL] [6] Shrine of the Silver Dollar
-Caveat Lector- Wow, Kris, great expose! The bully Spivak intimidates some poor old lady who was acting as a trustee for Fr. Coughlin, but who wasn't up to facing a soulless hit man like Spivak. The dollars that Coughlin's organization are "charged" with raising here are LAUGHABLE in the face of the super-crimes being committed by the FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD in the same period (See Speeches of Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Omni Publications, Palmdale, California). If Coughlin had committed some crimes, fraud, etc. WHY DIDN't Roosevelt or anybody else bring him to "justice" -- I mean, Roosevelt controlled the whole government. Yet, not one charge, NOT ONE CHARGE was ever brought against Coughlin. So much for the investigative reporting of Spivak. Also, I HOPE Coughlin flouted the "NWO-Judeo-Masonic" inspired rules that govern money and politics in this country. These rules have been made since circa 1913 to keep down the patriots and to allow the NWO crowd to romp all over America, stamping their footprint repeatedly in the average guys face. These rules have been followed by good people, but completely ignored by the NWO favored candidates as is proven by Clinton's last campaign. The CROOKS at the Federal Election Commission selectively go after some, and leave alone others (Alan Keyes was left alone in 1996 because he was dividing Pat Buchanan's vote -- this is not to say that Keyes is a bad guy, he was just used in a bad way, and allowed to file late, and ridiculously incomplete for his services.) Maybe you haven't heard, but everything about the IRS and its extortion of income taxes is illegal --- but that's another subject, a very important one. I wonder if we can look forward to your expose of how AIPAC,(American Israeli Political Action Committee), and all the other Jewish lobbies get 501C3 status while they BLATANTLY pressure Congressman and politicians all the time. Somehow I doubt it. There's no bigger joke that this set up. One set of rules for the Self-Chosen, and another for average Americans. Fr. Coughlin was a great American and a great priest. He was in harmony with the writings of the great Fr. Denis Fahey, who in turned condemned the anti-Christ machinations of the dominant Jewish Lobbies in all countries, Hitler and the Nazis, and Stalin and the Communists pointing out that these were all different manifestations of a naturalistic disorder against the Divine Plan for Order Established by Our Lord, Jesus Christ. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] [6] Shrine of the Silver Dollar -Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Shrine of the Silver Dollar John L. Spivak(C)1940 Modern Age Books New York, NY - The book that brought down demagog Charles Coughlin, who was the second-most listened to person in the '30's, right behind FDR. John Spivak exposed Father Coughlin to be a fraud and in league with Nazi propagandists. Out of print for many years. Om K - VIII THE MYSTERY OF THE DEFICITS I HAD INTENDED to show in more detail in this last chapter that Coughlin's broadcasts, which influence an estimated 3,500,000 listeners, cost much more than the public contributes for this purpose. I had planned to list all the forty-seven radio stations in his network and show that an hour's time on each plus the "line charges" cost over half a million dollars a year. (Line charges are costs met by the sponsor for the hook-ups between stations.) The figures which I had from Father Coughlin's own books showed that neither the Radio League of the Little Flower nor Social Justice magazine, which back the weekly broadcasts, clears that much money. Since these are the only two corporations established by the radio priest which raise money on a large scale, the natural questions were: Who met the difference., and for what purpose? Father Coughlin, however, saved me the necessity of going into these details. He frankly admitted, in the December 18, 1939, issue of Social Justice in Pleading for a $200,000 radio fund that: "Radio expense is now close to $10,000 per week." This estimate, so far as I have been able to ascertain, is correct. Let's see how the Radio League, which has already collected about a million dollars from the public and which is tightly controlled by Coughlin's little coterie of three, functioned right from the beginning. By the end of 1930--only a few months after it was incorporated--the Radio League had taken in over $44,000, but business was on the downgrade. I shall not go into the detailed take from the public in the first few years when the income fell to a pretty low figure (assets of only a little over $6,000 by the end of 1934). It was in this period of small assets and a
Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah?
-Caveat Lector- Watch out now, Kris, the same people who are still trying to smear Coughlin say that Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) himself was a Nazi stooge. Why would he shut Coughlin down. How many copies did Spivak's book sell -- I'll bet a drop in the bucket. It was made to be distributed to Coughlin's supporters to try and cause dissention. I'll bet it was not made an issue by the national press, which hated Coughlin, because they didn't want to raise such absurd issues that Coughlin could demolish on his Radio Shows. Everyone remembers Coughlin, no one remembers Spivak, who is not more significant than that idiot Joseph Welch who the evil Big Media lionized for saying to the great Senator Joseph McCarthy, "Have you no decency, Sir?" McCarthy, of course was never sued by anyone about anything, and Ted Koppel admitted after the KGB files were released (as if Koppel needed this to know) to show all the communists agents in the US government. Koppel, in a great understatement, said, "It looks like McCarthy was right." This is the "revelation of the method" -- the conspirators like to expose themselves, if no one else has done it, after it is too late to reverse what they've done - to give the populace a feeling of hopelessness in the face of such "all-powerful" Conspirators (for the most provocative book ever written on the subject of mass manipulation by the media through the technique of the "Revelation of the Method" see "Secret Societies and Mind Control" - I think that's the title, it's close, anyway - by Michael Hoffman. It has a picture of Mario Cuomo on the front, and is found at www.hoffman-info.com ) .. Anyway, if McCarthy was right (he was) then Fr. Coughlin was right, but Coughlin went further in attacking the power behind Communism, the dominant faction of International Organized Jewry. (Today's Communism in Russia has been abandoned, and is run by Russians reacting against the plundering of Russia by those who used to run Communism -- which was abandoned by the International Banking Elite in 1989 as no longer useful.) Incidentally, anyone who thought McCarthy was a light-weight madman opportunist, needs only to read his speech on the Senate floor, which became the book "America's Retreat from Victory" which shows in absolutely clear fashion how traitor George Catlatt Marshall and his superiors handed China to their puppets, the Communists. It was McCarthy's way of speaking in a way so that the average man could understand him that made him such a threat to the Ruling Elite, just as Buchanan could be today. The same with Fr. Coughlin. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/23/99 5:35:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to add that it's the book La Popessa that tells about Cardinal Pacelli (future Pope Pius XII) coming to the USA to go to Detroit and order Fr. Coughlin to shut down. = And like, I have stated, the cardinal came after Spivak had blown the Coughlin's scam public. Coughlin was a nazi stooge, a hypocrite priest and a traitor to his country. I'll take Smedley any day. If the Holocaust was discussed, I'd probably make a few posts and move on to other things --- = Go for it. = but in light of your views on abortion I more understand why this list is more lenient of the nurevs than the Hawks. I just find it humorous that a Conspiracy list would limit discussion on any of the raging issues of the day that deal with potential deception of the masses on important issues. . . . You don't think repeated posts about humans (or human forms) morphing into reptiles, especially while the sleep -- can't concentrate then, you know, --- begs for some comment when other issues revolving around historical issues are banned? = Your point is? If you have something to say on the holocaust, please post. = Who's dividing the populace with abortion -- I mean, what are the real big important issues that we're being diverted from by being force-focused on the issue of whether the state can legislate = Well, gee, I just can't think of any group that would wish to divide our population and then use the following confusion to conspire and collude against our personal sovereignty. Can you? Probably, just some wacko conspiracy theory. Been reading to much Machiavelli, I guess. Divert our attention from any big issues,like trashing our constitution, the private control of our money the massive importation of drugs by secret societies with help from our intel and military, . . . naw who would do that? Again, Jim, what is your poin
Re: [CTRL] he who pays the piper calls the tune
-Caveat Lector- Yes, good lesson, now we know why the entire establishment Media, dependent on the Federal Reserve Crowd and advertising from its most favored Big Buddy Companies, -- avoids real discussion of certain issues, such as the Mideast (real discussion in MER list on internet), abortion and eugenics and forced population reduction (as found in the newsletter, Against the Grain by the excellent Suzanne Rini, etc. etc.) Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Taylor, John (JH) Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 1:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] he who pays the piper calls the tune -Caveat Lector- GRIMSBY -- The University of Lincolnshire and Humberside does not use any books by Jewish authors in its courses (Times Higher 19 ii '99). It has a 'twinning' arrangement with Saudi Arabia and does not want to upset its Arab benefactors. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99
-Caveat Lector- Dear SnoOwl and nurev: You're both right. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sno0wl Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99 -Caveat Lector- On 21 Feb 99, , nurev wrote: can't believe what you are pulling here. I am really saddened by your response. What happened to you that you are trying to defend a rapist by defaming the victim? Even if she were a working prostitute, that changes nothing. What happened to you? I also believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. And wonder what kind of "evidence" someone might have kept preserved for two decades. Another blue dress? I happen to know several women who were once married to men, had their children, and were then abandoned after the divorce. These men never paid child-support, even claiming they had no assets. Some of these men, twenty or thirty years later, are now rolling clover, married to very wealthy women. Wouldn't it be wonderful if these women, who had been forced into years of great hardship, could go after these guys and get the alimony and child support that was owed them? Ask any lawyer. They will tell you it's way too late. That's a kind of "rape" too. And unbelievably common in our society. What happened to you? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah?
-Caveat Lector- Dear Kris, In a nutshell - didn't crawl out from a rock, just sat down at my computer and checked in, -- you may have me mixed up with those Reptilian Aryans that seem to be getting a lot of play. My Fahey / Coughlin answer is under construction --- but I did answer some points of one of your posts against Fr. Coughlin --- I forgot to add that it's the book La Popessa that tells about Cardinal Pacelli (future Pope Pius XII) coming to the USA to go to Detroit and order Fr. Coughlin to shut down. If the Holocaust was discussed, I'd probably make a few posts and move on to other things --- but in light of your views on abortion I more understand why this list is more lenient of the nurevs than the Hawks. I just find it humorous that a Conspiracy list would limit discussion on any of the raging issues of the day that deal with potential deception of the masses on important issues. . . . You don't think repeated posts about humans (or human forms) morphing into reptiles, especially while the sleep -- can't concentrate then, you know, --- begs for some comment when other issues revolving around historical issues are banned? Who's dividing the populace with abortion -- I mean, what are the real big important issues that we're being diverted from by being force-focused on the issue of whether the state can legislate to allow the killing of a certain class of human beings? IF human beings didn't come from something very pleasurable, EVERYONE would be horrified by abortion. Let's quit fooling ourselves. And, yes, I do speak digmatically (as you spelled it) on this issue, and I do broadbrush all those who support active killing of the unborn or any other class of human beings without a fair trial -- and I do so without the slightest fear of inflicting an injustice. What you're calling broadbrushing and bashing is an educated guess based on what I've seen on this list, and I'm trying to make some people think -- If the majority of posters on this list are pro-abortion and anti-eugenics, well, to quote Popeye, "Blows me down." Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/21/99 10:30:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so get on the right side of this issue and quit fooling yourself into thinking that it's so "complex." . .. Sorry for confusing you again with Kris Mulligan -- Howdy Jim, Crawl out from your rock again? Gee, you never answered my last questions. But here ya are popping up and spouting your dogmatic baalooney. So if'n we jist get right side of the issue them we's ok, hunh? And you know the right side, cuz your digmatic thinking says so. Abortion is a designed issue to divide the populace. Look at the private actions of many of the 'designated' leaders and you will not find the actions that back-up the rhetoric. Abortion is fact of nature, it happens and if a group of people can use the issue to divide our society, they will and have. Shill games for shallow dogmatics and ignorant fears. In a message dated 2/21/99 9:13:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, most people on this list (that contribute anyway) would probably be happy with Scaife's real agenda which is population control and "improving" of the human race through gene splicing, etc. Jim Condit Jr. Broad bush bashing, again? Wrong and if you are going to make accusations please back them with some facts. Your rhetoric is really quite trite, boring, telling and ignorant. In a message dated 2/21/99 9:48:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I don't have enough knowledge of all the Hawk wrote to totally evaluate your decision to terminate him, but the clarity of thought embodied in Hawk's posts, and in Mr. Moxley's, and in some others, are what I find sorely lacking in most posts on this list. Jim Condit Jr. Again, you bring your veneration of ole hypocrite hawk, and your desire to focus discuss on the rules of the list. Got a problem? In a message dated 2/21/99 9:52:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Teo -- the Reptilian post has nothing to do with WWII Holocaust discussion -- my point was simply that this line of inquiry -- which I've heard about elsewhere and quite frankly find interesting to read (in small bits) in the same way as Art Bell is interesting to listen to sometime -- my point is that it's a LOT more absurd than discussion on ANY side or ANGLE of the Holocaust discussion possibly could be. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Jim Condit Jr. Again your point is? There is much discussion of the holocaust all over the net. Go to nizkor, MHO. So Jim, If we did discuss the Holocaust, just what would you say? Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Pinochet Fan Club
-Caveat Lector- We are supposed to join the Communist Allende's side because some leftwing journalist reports some "fidgeting" when asked how many were killed? I've been the victim of such low-life reporters on a local level, so I think I'll pass on putting too much weight on "fidgeting." . . . do those who oppose Pinochet for rising to the defense of his country against the Red Terror apply the same standards to Israel's massive killing Palestinians and Lebonese to defend their country? I've yet to see it. Maybe somebody will prove me wrong. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Pinochet Fan Club DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- At Chris's implied suggestion, I'm going to study nurev's final response below to get a feel for high-minded, as opposed to trite and stupid, expression of one's position. Thanks for the nudge. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nurev Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal -Caveat Lector- "Peter L. Sroufe" wrote: Folks, Have you ever wondered why the Liberals never use the word Socialist to describe their Agenda?? Think about it! There's not a damn bit of difference between a Liberal and a Socialist. I defy any Liberal to prove otherwise. You're an idiot. There are many different definitions of " liberal." Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Same List? WHY REPTILES EAT ARYAN FEMALES : here comes the science
-Caveat Lector- After reading the below, while interesting, it COMPELLED me to ask in a public forum: Is this the same list that bans discussion on the WWII event known as the Holocaust ? ? Just asking. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] WHY REPTILES EAT ARYAN FEMALES : here comes the science -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/21/99 11:57:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that the human Pineal Gland has essentially Reptilian Biochemistry and when the human being gets scared senseless as was mentioned in the article :Reptiles,Aryans and Horror - the release of adrenalin in the blood causes the Pineal Gland to manufacture MELATONIN - MELATONIN is an absolutely Vital component of Skin Colouration in Amphibians and Reptiles. Isn't Melanin the substance that is vital to skin coloration and not melatonin? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bravo Mr. Moxley - I concur: let them Cite one Ruddy Mistake
-Caveat Lector- Thanks to Mr. Moxley for bringing up what I forgot in my last e-mail, but I want to SECOND his motion: Give one detail proving that Ruddy was inaccurate in his works on Brown and Foster, let alone "wildly" inaccurate. For Steve Rendell (who?) to charge that with not one example, tells ME a lot about WHAT he is, if not who he is. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Moxley Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 2:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Who is Steve Rendell?Who is Joseph Farah? -Caveat Lector- At 10:45 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Good old Steve expects us to take his word for Farah's supposed dictatorial governing of the Sacramento Union and his allegations that Ruddy was fired for shoddy investigative work whilst at the New York Post. Where is the corroboration Steve? the lack of which was the reason Andy " smelt a rat--no cited sources," and asked for information vis a vis Joseph Farah, for which Steve provides no cited sources. Oh I forgot, as flw has said, he is the "senior analyst" so he has little time (or the need, since he is "senior") to supply verification, he is too busy impugning other peoples credibility, also without verification. Gavin. P.S. Does anybody know what FAIR is, website, anything? Fair's website is http://www.fair.org Fair is a left wing news source, champion of political correctness, and accuses even moderates(fencesitters) as being "right-wing" extremists. They think the main-stream press is right-wing, too. Gimme WorldNetDaily and Joe Farrah anyday. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah?
-Caveat Lector- Dear Teo -- Good to see we're all glued to our monitors tonight When pro-(legalized) abortion people use "pro-choice" it certainly does mean "pro-choice" to kill an unborn baby (the baby is living, replacing its own dead cells, and has a human chromosome pattern, the only criteria which determine any living human being) -- the killing of the child ends in death, so pro-choice people are pro-death -- and the expect to get away with using a half thought, instead of finishing their phrase -- it's no pro-choice in ice cream flavors! -- since appx 35 million unborn human being have been killed in the legalized abortion Holocaust in the USA alone since 1973, then abortion rights advocates have been Holocaust Rights advocates -- as far as the killing of these little human beings are concerned. Please, take apart any of the above logic -- I welcome a good rejoinder. In fact, I don't have enough knowledge of all the Hawk wrote to totally evaluate your decision to terminate him, but the clarity of thought embodied in Hawk's posts, and in Mr. Moxley's, and in some others, are what I find sorely lacking in most posts on this list. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/22/99 12:13:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pro-choice to what -- is "to kill", flw, to "kill, kill,kill . . ." . . . Did you notice that in about 1992 the media establishment media --- all of them, adopted the terminology pro-life, pro-choice, and abortion rights advocate (that phrase an absurdity, such as would "Holocaust rights advocate" While I agree with your comments on them all being controlled I would quibble with this point. Pro-choice is not equivalent to Pro-killing or Pro-death as you imply here, and it certainly is not akin to Pro-holocaust rights either. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Same List? WHY REPTILES EAT ARYAN FEMALES : here comes ...
-Caveat Lector- Dear Teo -- the Reptilian post has nothing to do with WWII Holocaust discussion -- my point was simply that this line of inquiry -- which I've heard about elsewhere and quite frankly find interesting to read (in small bits) in the same way as Art Bell is interesting to listen to sometime -- my point is that it's a LOT more absurd than discussion on ANY side or ANGLE of the Holocaust discussion possibly could be. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Same List? WHY REPTILES EAT ARYAN FEMALES : here comes ... -Caveat Lector- Incidentally, this is from the disclaimer. Holocaust denial is not permitted as a discussion in this forum. Discussing the holocaust is not forbidden, just the discussion of Holocaust Denial, and what is commonly known as Holocaust Revisionism. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN HOLLYWOOD
-Caveat Lector- Regarding the below post and all the posts on Hollywood --- did everyone miss the Arts and Entertainment special aired about late summer 1998 (name of the special escapes me) in which it was admitted and bragged about that Jews founded, built, and run Hollywood. It is correct to say that there is no conspiracy --- it's out in the open. Liberal Jews don't need to get together and conspire any more than I need to get together and conspire which fellow pro-lifers on how to picket an abortion chamber or call in to a talk show on the subject of abortion. Most of us pro-lifers are Catholics or fundamentalist Christians (no, Virginia, orthodox Jews are not pro-life in the same sense, but support abortion in the first trimester under certain conditions) -- we were raised the same with the same teachings -- part of the same social organism, if you will (borrowing Lloyd Miller's terminology here). Likewise, liberal Jews congregating in Hollywood are also of the same mental background and upbringing -- no need to conspire at all. I'm sorry I don't remember the name of that A E special, but it's available to be bought -- is might even have 'Jewish' or 'Jew' in the title of that A E special. Now, comment on why certain groups have been portrayed certain ways by the Jews that run Hollywood: 1. Latinos - primarily Roman Catholic, the primary target of organized Jewry (in traditional form, not in the current apostate form following John Paul II, which some of us Roman Catholics call "The Counterfiet Church." 2. Arabs -- too obvious, Arabs have to be discredited since any brutalization against them must be able to be justified in order to prevent them from retaking some or all of the land that was taken from them with much violence and forced exile in 1948. 3.Asians -- no comment -- no insight. 4. Religion - better to have a backboneless population if you're in the minority by a long shot. Also, a secret or not so secret antipathy to traditional Christianity as expressed clearly in the Talmud. 5. South - the south represents the stronghold of those promote white racial integrity which Jews generally abhor. In fact, as Alan Dershowitz has recently proven, the top Jews can advocate racial intermixing for everyone else, while in the next breath advocate racial separatism for themselves (see Alan Derwshowitz's book, The Vanishing American Jew). Lest I be accused of being a racist, let me add that it's not sin to marry across racial lines, but neither do many of us believe that God made a mistake when he made the distinct races, which we must now correct by interbreeding. Each race has a right, within limits, to be justly proud of the good things in its heritage. 6. Politics -- same as religion -- better to have a muddleheaded liberal population than a principle-oriented conservative population if you're in the minority. 7. Whites, Blacks, Italian Americans, etc. -- it has been the habit of the Jewish controlled media to inculcate guilt-complexes in all other groups while holding themselves sacrosanct in their propaganda. Notice that NONE of the bashes on religion in the movies - as far as I know -- ever uses a Rabbi gone awry as the subject of its "bash" of religion. Always the wayward, failed priest, or the failed, hypocritical Protestant minister. Sorry to file such a negative report on the Jews running Hollywood -- but time and space are precious and this should "cut to the chase" for those trying to understand Hollywood. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herbert Hershel Henderson Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN HOLLYWOOD -Caveat Lector- YOU CAN SKIP ALL THIS STUFF IF YOU'VE READ IT ALREADY AND JUST READ WHAT I HAD TO SAY...IT JUST MAKES THE THINGS EASIER.. -- On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:25:24 Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Would you feel any different about my original question if I told you that my ten year study of the U.S. film industry has confirmed that (among other things) for the last 30 to 40 years at least, Hollywood films have consistently portrayed Latinos, Christians, Italian-Americans, Asians, Arabs and Whites from the South (including those poor Texans) as the villains (or at least in a negative or stereotypical manner), while simultaneously promoting politically liberal points of view? Aside from the irony in that, some of you may rationalize that these movie patterns of bias are merely coincidental. Latinos The consistency of the record, however, suggests otherwise. My study of thousands of movies and movie reviews indicates that Hollywood, throughout its nearly 90-year history, has specifically portrayed LATINOS in films as mean, macho, scraggly, violent, cynical, racist, tire slashers, drug traffickers, kidnappers, gang members, prison inmates o
Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah?
-Caveat Lector- Au contraire, Teo -- calling people killers and murderers -- when that's what they're doing, helps to save others from following in their footsteps. That's why Nightline did a show last year or two years ago decrying how there aren't enough doctors traing to be abortionists -- they don't want to have the stigma of abortionist (killer) attached to their M.D. (Good!) I am not for any of those exceptions, neither is Howard Phillips of Conservative Caucus, Pat Buchanan, or Peg Luksik of the Constitution Party of Pennsylvania, nor Joe Scheidler of Pro-life Action League, Randall Terry of Operation Rescue, Joan Andrews, Phyllis Schlafly, Judie Brown of American Life League -- yes those who are for the exceptions have contributed to the abortion holocaust, including National Right to Life, Christian Coalition, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, George Bush, etc. etc. etc. I'll leave it that your post is full of the muddled, contradictory thinking that I always find in those trying to defend abortion. The leniency you give to those who "assist" in killing the unborn baby, are not leniencies that either of us would grant to guards at a concentration camp -- so get on the right side of this issue and quit fooling yourself into thinking that it's so "complex." . .. Sorry for confusing you again with Kris Mulligan -- put you two do seem to be of one mind. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hyposcrisy IN on Farah[CTRL] Who is Joseph Farah? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/22/99 12:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In fact, I don't have enough knowledge of all the Hawk wrote to totally evaluate your decision to terminate him, but the clarity of thought embodied in Hawk's posts, and in Mr. Moxley's, and in some others, are what I find sorely lacking in most posts on this list. Jim Condit Jr. I do not make list rules nor "terminate" anyone. I will however stand by Kris' decision in these matters. As for your comments about abortion the logical approach is this. Someone may hold the position of Pro-choice and be against the death of unwanted babies even if that person allows the death or assists in it's execution. Not everything is a black and white issue and it does not boil down to a distinction that you make, it is more complex. Just as Pro-life people are for the baby being brought to term BUT they have been known to make some exceptions, have they not, and if you allow ANY babies to be "murdered" as you say then these people are murderers and should be listed as pro-holocaust as well. I think that pro-choice is about removing the burden of having others decide what is best for you, and leaving that decision where it belongs, with the person in the situation and in the privacy of their lives. I will not defend any position since I hold to some aspects of each position, just as most people do. It is a decision that I will never have to make, and something that I would hope to never have to wrestle with in a personal relationship. Calling people murderers and killers does nothing to make the whole issue any better or any clearer. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to th
Re: [CTRL] **** Regarding Simple Poll ****
-Caveat Lector- Dear Mary, My poll results are below, and I applaud the spirit of your experiment, but you are polling from a very politically interested group of people here -- which does not necessarily reflect the general public. What's been interesting to me, though, is that ALL of the spontaneous polls I've seen from AOL to MSNBC to local and national talk shows to Fox, to CNN -- have FLATLY contradicted the Network announced "scientific polls"; for instance, would you believe that on the day before the vote on live testimony, the Network "scientific" polls said 70% want to get the trial over, and the MSNBC poll comprising 38,000 people who called in or e-mailed votes 81% for live testimony. If the public wanted the trial to be over --- how come the cable networks still can hardly talk about anything else? Oh, well . . .here's my results: -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mary Lu Ducharme Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Regarding Simple Poll -Caveat Lector- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Friends: This is a second chance to take the poll I sent out before! I wanted to add a couple comments about the poll. When I give out the results your screen name or name will not be there with the results! What you write down will be only between you and me! So if you haven't did the poll yet, please take a couple minutes to fill it out and send back. This is purely for to see how close I come to media's poll in percentages! I already have over 60 emails. I want to get as many as I can get! I will be releasing the poll info in about one week! What Political Party do you belong to? __X__ Republican Democrat Other None Do you consider yourself? _x___ Conservative Liberal Moderate Do you believe that President Clinton is Guilty? _x___ Yes No Do you believe he should have been removed from office? __x__ Yes No Any further Comments: Please fill these questions out ASAP and send back to me and I'll send results out later? God Bless Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by
Re: [CTRL] SIgnificant facts about Fr. Coughlin [2] Shrine of the Silver Dollar
-Caveat Lector- Dear Kris, In 1932 Fr. Coughlin supported FDR against Hoover . . . but I get ahead of myself . . . . This long wrangling of alleged conversations in The Shrine of the Silver Dollar book (did the guy have a tape recorder? or just a photographic memory?) proves, according the the text, several crimes against the hated "Radio Priest" Fr. Charles Coughlin. Did FDR or any of his minions ever bring any charges against Fr. Coughlin? No. Wonder why? It was like Joe McCarthy's alleged alchoholism -- no one ever mentioned it until he was dead for 20 years. OR Joe McCarthy's alleged slander -- no one ever filed any kind of a slander or libel action against him! Hmmm. ... The author of this book no doubt proves that Fr. Coughlin used shell corporations to hold stock. Wow! That's about as American as apple pie --- try to find out who owns a corporation in New York State. Try to find out who owns Voter News Service, which feeds the exit polls to all four networks. Try to find out who owns the Fed itself! Here's the real story on Coughlin and this totally insignificant book: 1) this book had nothing to do with the rise or fall or Fr. Coughlin. Fr. Coughlin voluntarily shut down his radio ministry (I believe FDR - great civil libertarian, he, - shut down Social Justice by banning it from the Post Office circa 1941) when Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII, traveled from Vatican City in (also 1941) to Detroit on behalf of the Vatican and ordered Fr. Coughlin to shut down the radio program. Cardinal Pacelli traveled through Cincinnati on his way to Detroit - where a grade school is still named for him today. Exactly why the Vatican moved in to help FDR close down Coughlin is not clear even now, but the Christeros, under Fr. Pro, were the victim of bad Vatican policy in a similar fashion by the Vatican, handing Mexico to the Masons, just as America was left to Judeo-Masonry after the downfall of Fr. Coughlin. Pacelli traveled from Vatican City to Detroit because, contrary to the false insinuations below, Archbishop Mooney refused to impede Coughlin's important work and historic work. Fr. Coughlin was the first Rush Limbaugh, except, Coughlin was, by comparison and market share, much more popular in his day. It is estimated that between 30 million and 40 million Americans listened to him via radio on Sunday Afternoon. Social Justice had a circulation of about 1 million -- remember, these in the darkest days of the artificially created depression when FDR and his banker backers had pulled most of the money out of circulation, so that Americans would be grateful when money become suddenly available without limit for war needs in 1941, among other reasons. . . . So, Hooray for Fr. Coughlin if he could find a way to keep his operation afloat in a period when Americans had little discretionary income thanks to the criminal machinations of FDR and his backers. Fr. Coughlin, the Radio Priest, was dubbed as having the Wurlitzer Voice (after the then-King of musical instruments, the Wurlizter Organ) and, in fact, the establishment media mostly plays film of Fr. Coughlin without the voice, because his speeches were so effective. Fr. Coughlin began by appealing to all Americans, specifically appealing to "Christians and Jews" to take a stand against Communism, but then, like everybody else who effectively attacked the Jewish Operation of Communism, Coughlin found himself attacked and opposed on all sides by the dominant faction of Jewish leaders and their agents, such as the sniveling little reporter who wrote this book. So being a man of courage, he did not shrink for this new development, and he took on the bankers who financed these fronts, such as the ADL. Fr. Coughlin produced a number of books, including, "Money Questions and Answers" and "Am I an Anti-Semite?" which you may have trouble finding, because somebody keeps removing them from the Library of Congress every few years. They may be available from Omni Books. It is generally believed among informed Catholics that the promotion of the (comparatively innocuous) Bishop Fulton Sheen on television after World War II, was an attempt by the top Jews controlling the networks to help the public forget Fr. Coughlin. Fr. Coughlin, an obedient priest, served as a pastor and assistant paster at the Shrine of the Little Flower (the Little Flower was St. Therese of Liseiux, France) until he died in 1973. He was a great preacher to the end, and I have one of his last sermons on tape, in which he encourages his listeners to believe in Divine Providence, even through these trying times. Fr. Coughlin, a "martyr" of our times, in the way martyrs are created now, by character assassination rather than actual assassination. Once Coughlin was silenced, America slid completely under the Judeo-Masonic rule and agenda, where it remains today. But it's not over yet. Jim Condit Jr. -Origi
Re: [CTRL] [2] La Popessa Addendum Shrine of the Silver Dollar
-Caveat Lector- I forgot to mention for researchers in the last post on Fr. Coughlin, that researchers may find the book La Popessa interesting regarding Cardinal Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and Vatican politics. La Popessa includes an account of Cardinal Pacelli's trip to the Shrine of the Little Flower to see Fr. Coughlin. And despite my taking issue with "Kris Milligan" on the Coughlin issue, I do appreciate his many though provoking posts. I only wish that Hawk were here to evaluate them also. Jim Condit Jr. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Plot to overthrow FDR
-Caveat Lector- These were probably a bunch of a far-sighted patriots who picked a brave soldier, but political moron (Butler) a la John McCain to do what would have probably been good for America. I say probably, because I'm not sure of what exactly they were up to (as you say this is suppressed history) -- however, I suspect these men realized that FDR was a front man for the anti-Christian network under whose rule we now live (Clinton as their pathetic front man, whom they are keeping afloat through Big Media support. What we need in this country is an American Pinochet to overthrow the current anti-Christian network, and, now luckily, we have the proven votefraud scam to justify such a topply of the evil usurpers of OUR government and country. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nurev Sent: Saturday, February 13, 1999 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM -Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] " The Plot To Overthrow FDR " The true conspiracy by some of America's Corporate Elites to overthrow FDR and install a much admired Fascist government based on those of the European Fascists in Italy, Spain, and Germany. Hmm. Fascists plotting against A fascist president. Those damm fascists just can't get along I guess. flw You obviously need new glasses FLW. The capitalist big buisiness traitors didn't put in that much money and effort to oust one of their own. Your Libertarian ideology is making you stupid and unable to discern between genuine fascists and Liberal capitalists. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] More Nurev Spin
-Caveat Lector- I have to respond a second time to this piece of NurevSpin. Lindbergh was a great American, as was Fr. Charles Coughlin, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Congressman James T. McFadden, to say nothing of James Forestall and the late, great Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. The Lindbergh baby was killed out of retribution for Senator Lindbergh's valiant attempts to save America from the band of cutthroats that took over with FDR and whose kids and grandkids are behind Clinton, and Bruno Halpern was framed with the (key) help of Norman Schwartzkopf's father, as was detailed in an HBO movie of a few years ago where they just about spilled all the beans, as the Conspirators always like to expose what they did if no one else does -- after sufficient time has elapsed to make it impossible to do anything about their long-ago crimes. Michael Hoffman calls this "The Revelation of the Method", also, The Strange Death of James Forrestal (I think that's the title) and the The Assassination of Senator Joseph McCarthy by Medford Evans sheds light on the probable murder of these two patriots (McCarthy died in Bethesda Naval Hospital at the ripe old age of 49 years old.) Also, the works of Dr. Emmanuel Josephson also shed light on the McCarthy death and hasty burial. In one book, (I think it's The Rockefellers), Josephson reproduces McCarthy's death certificate, which says: Cause Unknown -- contrary to the propaganda put out by the evil Big News Media (unanimously) that McCarthy died of some kind of hepatitis. Incidentally, there is not one article anywhere in the 1950's accusing McCarthy of being a drunk, as did the absurd Movie Tail Gunner Joe, 20 years later. Back to the action: I don't know, but I'm betting Smedley Butler was dead by the end of WWII, so nurev doesn't know what he would have thought, but, again, Smedley was probably a John McCain type political moron. See The Speeches of Congressman James T. McFadden put out by Omni Books in Palmdale, California. McFadden was on to the top-dog Jewish-Anglo Coalition behind the Fed, and one of his speeches even details how the Fed was loaning money to their friends in all different countries, especially USA, to take over industries -- which explains why all the Targets, Staples, and Appleby's are driving the mom and pops into oblivion. Also, Nurev and his fellow propagandists should know that Hitler was financed by top Jews and top Anglos (See Sutton's Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and James Poole's Who Financed Hitler?, at least one of which is available from Criminal Politics in Cincinnati, and maybe both are available from Omni. Also, there is a book by an Orthodox Rabbi detailing how Jewish police, cooperating with Hitler, came to round up Sephardic Orthodox Jews to put them in the concentration camps. You see, part of the deal was to create a real panic in the minds of Jews to get to the new state of Israel which was going to be founded after WWII with the might of the USA, the USSR, and the UN behind it. (Truman recognized the State of Isreal [is that our 51st state, or why is it always called a state?] 15 minutes after the agressing troops moved in and started evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs, it took Stalin 8 hours -- I'm sure none of it was planned. It just happened spontaneously.) Anyway, the top anti-Christian network has caused contrived shock after contrived shock to the western world (and beyond) throughout this tragic century --- but justice will be done, and all these bloody plans and schemes will come to naught, evaporate as a morning mist, and be remembered as only a bad dream (Babylon will fall in one hour -- the Apocalypse, or book of Revelation, as you prefer). Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nurev Sent: Saturday, February 13, 1999 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM -Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Friday 8pm ( E.T.) on the History Channel. " The Plot To Overthrow FDR " The true conspiracy by some of America's Corporate Elites to overthrow FDR and install a much admired Fascist government based on those of the European Fascists in Italy, Spain, and Germany. They made just one teeny weeny mistake. They asked General Smedley Darlington Butler, the most famous and revered military man in America at the time to lead the vast number of Vets and active duty soldiers that they hoped would take part in the coup. He saved this country. Major General Smedley D. Butler was a three time winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, and a famous hero of the Spanish American War and W.W.I. How is it that hardly anyone has ever heard of him? Don't miss this opportunity! The few books about Smedley Butle
Re: [CTRL] Plot to overthrow FDR
rigged the computerized elections in our country --- permanently in their favor -- they think! But it will not stand. Or do you say that as long as a group, via assassination, trickery, bribery, blackmail, etc, -- can accomplish an apparantly (not really) bloodless coup like the Ruling Elite has done in our country, -- that we must grin and bear it, and resign ourselves to play by their rigged rules, and rigged courts, forever and ever? Go ahead, but a growing number of Americans don't agree, and all the phony rigged Network polls used to keep Clinton in power in America, and the spectacle of our black-mailed Senate Republicans, have racheted things up many degrees in just the last year -- in reaction to the EVIL FORCES represented by Stooge Clinton. --- So, if you call that stench --- I suggest your nostrils have been perverted by the man-concocted Lysol spilling into your house from your TV and Radio. The mere fact that you "detect" stench in my last e-mail, but don't see the real stench in the pro-abortion outpourings of SnoOwl and many others on this list, proves my case, to all who haven't lost their moral bearings. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Plot to overthrow FDR -Caveat Lector- Well, now, Jim, we now can all smell your true stench. Please read The Plot to Seize the White House, I will even post it for you. Please realize, that the 'plotters against our Constitution' went to General Butler, because he was the only person the vets would follow. MacArthur was the stooge used to break-up the vets when they went to Washington, DC to get what was theirs. The plan was to bring fascism, like mussolini and hitler did, with goon-squads of vets to beat-up the opposition. There is so much that either you are ignorant of or your dogma will not let you see. Do you even realize what you are saying? That for some religious zeal your are pro-torture and pro-dogmatical murder. You support dictatorship? As my grandaughter says "Ooooh, gross." MHO Om K In a message dated 2/14/99 1:21:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These were probably a bunch of a far-sighted patriots who picked a brave soldier, but political moron (Butler) a la John McCain to do what would have probably been good for America. I say probably, because I'm not sure of what exactly they were up to (as you say this is suppressed history) -- however, I suspect these men realized that FDR was a front man for the anti-Christian network under whose rule we now live (Clinton as their pathetic front man, whom they are keeping afloat through Big Media support. What we need in this country is an American Pinochet to overthrow the current anti-Christian network, and, now luckily, we have the proven votefraud scam to justify such a topply of the evil usurpers of OUR government and country. Jim Condit Jr. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat
Re: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!
-Caveat Lector-
Dear Jesse --- Tell him that you looked in the white pages and saw that the
Federal Reserve Board is listed next to Federal Express. Ask him "How can it
be that our money and interest rates are controlled by a non-government
corporation that is trying to make a profit off the American people? Best
Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. P.S. If he comes off that he doesn't know the FED is
a private company, he's really dumb or lying.
-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Jesse Dolan
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!
-Caveat Lector-
Hello everyone,
I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
that would scare the admin's at my school.
Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
airheads...
Hehehe
Jesse Dolan
www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954
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Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Hey! Doesn't this post break the rules? I mean, it mentions that bad guy Zundel who's picking on half of the Ottawa parliament. His whole case is about that unmentionable area of historical inquiry? Did you all know that the anonymous Canadian Tribunal of Human Rights (HA!) ruled that for Zundel, truth was not a defense. Just trying to be helpful! Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franklin Wayne Poley Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd) -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] But you see, Jasiek, this is where I disagree with you and the whole "ZOG Busting" movement. As Pogo says, "The enemy is us". Zundel, Christie and people like them are "demagogues" which means they play on peoples' emotions to manipulate them. Or just think of the "Chicken Little" phenomenon. Even if the sky is falling do you think that sly old fox has a solution? I don't. Without Jew-bashing these ZOG Busters have almost nothing to say. My challenge to them always has been, "Then you tell me about a better society and maybe I'll buy into YOUR way instead of the ZOG way." Until then, long live ZOG! At least it is a system even if it has lots of flaws. The Christie Critters have NO SYSTEM. Zundel is a little boy who can get nowhere unless he makes a big noise. That is why he is suing half of the Ottawa Parliament. It doesn't have to do with freedom or free speech. That is just smoke and mirrors. This is where I also disagree with lists like CTRL which turf these people off. I have had hundreds of people come and go throgh lists I have moderated and not kicked one person off. Zundel kicked me off his list because he can't defend his position and he won't accept an invitation to come onto a list like this because he can't win in a free and open debate. But it's your life. If you fall for the Chicken Little ploy you will suffer the consequences. FWP. On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have remember Franklin's words and A. Lincoln - then you can do something. Now in my country is blocked 155 highways and over 60% farmers push the government to create money with no interests and debts. I have many Polish friends Jasiek. In fact my brother-in-law was born in Poland. I had Polish professors in college like the psychiatrists Dabrowski and Weckowitz. So I know more about Poland than you think. Just make a conclusion of my point. If you don't get a conclusion, then you have join the NWO usury-banking system and after you'll accepted small bio-chip under your skin, because the government do NOT want loose no one who want to desipire into the bush. Finally you can run, but you can't hide anywhere. That is the future in American Nation very soon. Good luck and put some creme on your skin that electronic device will go more easy... Have nice fun... Don't get hyped up about what US tele-evangelists tell you (like Van Imp, Hagee etc.). They play "chicken little". They scare people so they will come into their fold where they can pick their pockets. So they come out with a lot of "mark of beast" crap. No US tele-evangelist that I know is anything but crap with legs. In its wisdom the CRTC in Canada proscribed these tele-evangelist frauds long ago. One of the biggest family of US moral degenerates goes by the name of Graham. Recognize it? Be cool. Use your head and it will all work out. FWP. === jasiek from toronto http://www.connection.com/~rysio Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be sure you're right, then go ahead. What is your plan, Jasiek? Are you sure it is right? FWP. On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, J FROST wrote: Subject: 021.001 "PATRIOTS" or FASCIST AGENTS? Should the American people be in control of their own government? I don't think the American people have the WILL t
Re: [CTRL] List Participation
-Caveat Lector- Dear TEO -- go back and check the one Hawk replied to the bizarre Clinton lover who also defended (sheepishly) computer vote counting devoid of Citizen Checks and Balances -- Hawk's answer encapsuled the entire debate in one sentence. I only read about 4 of his messages, but they were all that way. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] List Participation -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/3/99 11:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I wondered what happened to Hawk. His replies (the ones I saw) so thoroughly showed up the fallacies of the arguments of the people he was debating that I'm not overly surprised he was kicked off the list. Too bad. I guess we're spiraling down to the lowest-nurev-denominator. Jim Condit Jr. Nothing in his replies showed up any fallacies in any arguments that I saw. His postings appeared to be designed to cause disruption, nothing more. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] List Participation
-Caveat Lector- Well, I wondered what happened to Hawk. His replies (the ones I saw) so thoroughly showed up the fallacies of the arguments of the people he was debating that I'm not overly surprised he was kicked off the list. Too bad. I guess we're spiraling down to the lowest-nurev-denominator. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Norman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] List Participation -Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/2/99 10:13:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was the first thing I noticed about this list. I Only had to read 5 post to realize this. I've read a number of your post. Expecially with Hawk, and anybody else who's ideas are not the same as yours. You should run for public office. You have all the double speak skills. Jim Jim; What is it that you are trying to imply? Are you saying that I deliberately run other off who disagree with me? I would say hogwash, if you believe that. I appreciate hearing from everyone, even if their opinions differ radically from my own. That is not to say that I will not vehemently defend my views. It is never done with the intent of silencing the other person. Teo1000 I have no problem with anyone defending their views. But you do intend to silence your debators. It is done by deflecting the honest debate with name calling, bating, and labeling. (Kinda like the latest with Samantha) When that doen't work, then the offending party is ejected from the list (like Hawk). And yes, I know. Its your's and ken's list and if I don't like it I can unsubscribe. Thanks, I'll just hang around and listen. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED
[CTRL] The JUST (in a way) side of the RE: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS
-Caveat Lector- Hey, SnowOwl, Looks like all you pro-aborts are finally getting some of your own medicine. With the blood of 38,000,000 plus human beings on your hands (aborted babies - just like Dr. Slepian was "aborted" after the third trimester) --- you now see the same forces closing in on human beings YOU think deserve some protection. Good LUCK with the likes of depraved psychopaths like Clinton, Gore, Gingrich, Robert Rubin, and Alan Greenspan. Looks like you'll have to turn to people like Pat Buchanan, Howard Phillips, Randall Terry, and Phyllis Schlafly if you expect to get any help in protecting this new class of fellow human beings under attack, which do, of course deserve to be protected from the Malthusian demi-gods. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sno0wl Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS -Caveat Lector- Murray suggests that there may be a downside to the shift of single mothers from welfare to work. No body of research exists to demonstrate that it is good for children when a single mother works, he points out. "Can the U.S. retain its political and social culture," Murray asks, "in the presence of a permanent underclass?" His answer is yes, if it is "sufficiently small." If it is large, he believes, the answer is no. He points out that underclass ethics -- among all races -- are deteriorating and contributing to a coarsening of American life. Source: Charles Murray (American Enterprise Institute), "And Now for the Bad News," Wall Street Journal, February 2, 1999. Another "bad side" of the "good news" is that older women with disabilities are being forced from welfare to work that is essentially life-threatening for them. In a case reported on NPR, a 55 year-old woman with a serious heart condition was forced to take a job cleaning parks. When she went to legal aid to make a complaint about her situation, the legal aid society discovered that Clinton had signed a bill forbidding legal aid societies from defending the rights of welfare complainants who believe they are being denied rights to which they are entitled. Interesting. If benefits are denied you unfairly, you have no right to file a legal complaint! Now it's work or die. This bill is currently being challenged in court by the legal aid societies. This may rankle some on this list, but as the 40-somethings are being dislodged from their corporate niches in favor of the cheaper 20-somethings, even you may, one day, come to appreciate the importance of these issues. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lott, Barr, and the CCC [Think KKK]
-Caveat Lector- Regarding the Lott, Barr CCC controversy, what a bunch of double standard. There are hundreds of Black only affairs and organizations that hundreds of office holders and candidates speak before. In Cincinnati, we have an Annual Black Family Picnic every year. Can you imagine the opposite. Now, I have a question, . . . if and when whites become the minority in this country, will Black Family Picnics become verbotten and White Family Picnics will be "in." . . . All this is a symptom of the Big Media being owned by all but exclusively by anti-Christ Jews (I'm speaking analytically here, not calling names -- these Jews are AGAINST public recognition of Christ or things Christian) who are, at this point, successfully wreaking havoc on white European civilization in revenge for what they view as centuries of persecution, which was actually simply the Christian European countries defending themselves against he kind of filth and dishonest argumentation that has been unleashed upon us in the last 10 years, especially the last 2. Have a nice Day! Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Morgan Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lott, Barr, and the CCC [Think KKK] -Caveat Lector- At 11:19 AM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 11:15:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This ALL sounds like a propaganda war to me. This is pathetic. Nope. It's the truth and hurts only the ones who wont accept it. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio Duh. I was referring to both sides in this argument - it's why I used the word 'ALL.' Are you saying both sides are the truth and I just can't take it? Nope. Sorry for my lack of specificity. Having been a yankee for most of my life I was startled to find that the truth resided on the other side. I've since switched allegiances, of course. I like to side with the truth, even when it's politically-incorrect. Jim, Residing in the Federal Satrapy of Ohio "And I searched for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the gap before Me for the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Ezekiel 22:30. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- Yea, and Chelsea, the hideous Madelyn Albright, and the hard-faced Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Or) all make Paula Jones look like a Baywatch Babe --- but you never hear that spin. Congratulations, you've picked up one of the Big Media's subtle propaganda signals: discredit Linda Tripp. Here's some more in case you haven't figured them out yet: Monica: good, victim, sympathetic figure; Betty Currie, good, victim, honorable woman (HA!), Alan Greenspan: good, wise, wiser than wise (incidentally, aligator skinned Alan Greenspan makes John Wayne Gacey look like a Matinee star, chew on that one awhile from the point of view of your above joke); I could go on, but the implication of all the "jokes" about the very courageous Linda Tripp is that you can't be good if you look so awkward on camera. . Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell -Caveat Lector- You have to admit one thing -- Linda Tripp makes Hillary look like a Baywatch Babe! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Another Rebuttal: Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools!
-Caveat Lector- As usual, dear G. Harp, you accidentally or on purpose miss the point. The writer you are criticizing was making the point (by implication in this case) that FDR was going to get the US into the war somehow, which we NEVER would have been dragged into if FDR and Churchill weren't figuring ways to provoke somebody to attack us. FDR cut off key natural resources that Japan needed until their backs were against the wall and they attacked. This does NOT mean that the leaders of Japan were good guys, just that they could be provoked. Check it out, as soon as Japan attacked us, FDR sent 90% of the soldiers and materials to Europe. Oops! no shortage of money now, like there had been during all those Great Depression years. Yes, FDR and his bosses at the FED were plenty tricky, and they duped an entire generations of America on many fronts. If I were alive then, I don't know if I would have caught on either. In my mind the US soldiers are still heros in the sense they gave all for what they thought was a good cause. That leaves your buddy FDR as triple despicable, super war criminal that he was. You might read Joseph McCarthy's excellent, superbly and totally documented, and crytal clearly understandable book (originally a speech on the Senate Floor), America's Retreat from Victory, to get the details on how FDR and dead-eyed traitor George Catlett Marshall pulled off the provocaton of Japan, and then kept the intelligence from the Pearl Harbor Admirals to make sure the damage was maximum. Then the diabolical (word chosen deliberately and not for hyperbolly) FDR went on TV and spoke about a day that "will live in infamy" -- yea, but before it's all over, it will be HE, a cold blooded murderer of his own goy troops, that will live in infamy because of that day. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald Harp Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools! -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 8:48:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: What crap! The World War II generation: traumatized and buffaloed by the depression in Roosevelt's fascist New Deal and then tricked by the simple minded Pearl Harbor strategem into the useless slaughter of WWII Wow, that mean old FDR was pretty tricky OK. Imagine how he suckered the Japanese to invade Singapore, Indonesia, Indochina, Burma etc. Did Roosevelt also trick the Japanese into invading Manchuria in 1931? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- Prudy Lynne - Lynne - I'll stand correction, Olympia Snowe may be from Maine, I thought I read on a TV program (caption under her) she was from Oregon. But I'll stand corrected. Prudy -- You've joined the "can't quite get on point" club on this list, a growing segment whose members set up his or her own straw man rather than respond point for point -- I didn't say Linda Tripp looked fabulous, I said she looked awkward. Also, I'd take Tripp over Monica as a friend anyday -- Monica wanted Tripp to lie under oath, remember? Linda Tripp had been called a liar by Blumenthal or one of Clinton's advisors. So Tripp defended herself. Lucianne Goldberg, who coached Tripp, is always a straight shooter who always mows down any opposition on any show she's on. There's no way in Hades Clinton's boys will try to make Goldberg a witness. Monica says she was raised to survive by telling lies. Probably says the Kol Nidre (our oaths will not be oaths, our promises will not be promises) every year. What great best-friend material, eh? Jim Condit Jr. P.S. If anyone can give a benign interpretation to the Jewish Kol Nidre prayer, supposedly "absolving" all who say it from any oaths than made in the past year or will make in the coming year --- if anyone can give a benign interpretation to this Kol Nidre prayer -- I'm willing to listen and would love to hear it. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 5:01:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rom the point of view of your above joke); I could go on, but the implication of all the "jokes" about the very courageous Linda Tripp is that you can't be good if you look so awkward on camera. . Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. You're right. Linda Tripp looks fabulous at all times, and she is just the kind of person all of us wish we had for a best friend. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools!
-Caveat Lector- Yes, it is true, the Brokaw book, The Greatest Generation is a tribute by the Ruling Elite to the hapless generation of dupes that spilt the blood and made the sacrifices to make many of the Ruling Elite's dreams come true. While it is true that this generation has exhibited an unshakable and deplorable fatalism, especially in the last few decades, (never has so many done so little with so much!) -- and yet, there is still something admirable in the discipline and self-sacrifice of this generation. If our generation (25-50 or so) could combine an equal discipline and spirit of self-sacrifice to the greatly increased critical thinking that is now extant -- we would have something. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hawk Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools! -Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just listening to Tom Brokaw on MSNBC re: his book, The Greatest Generation. What crap! The World War II generation: traumatized and buffaloed by the depression in Roosevelt's fascist New Deal and then tricked by the simple minded Pearl Harbor strategem into the useless slaughter of WWII quickly forgetting the "Merchants of Death" lessons of WWI! Dispatching Nazi and Japanese totalitarianism and paving the way for Soviet and Red Chinese totalitarianism. A worthless, spineless herd of pathetic ruling class pawns, for sure! Hey I like what you say tell us more! Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Can anyone help?
-Caveat Lector- Can anyone forward me anything on the Democratic Congressmen who took to the floor of Congress and said that Clinton should be impeached for making war on Iraq without COngressional approval? Thanks. Send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Colliers - Some True History of these courageous investigators
ment. They were friends with Tom Hayden, who later wouldn't help them at all. Hayden, another sell out. They arranged the now infamous concert where the lead singer for the Doors was arrested. There's an "ode to John Lennon" in the back of the Votescam book by Ken Collier who was deceased by the time it was published. I was an alternate delegate to the Nixon convention in 1972. I became a John Bircher for a while in the 70's and early 80's. Today I am a Buchanan, Howard Phillips "conservative". I have worked as a minor regional leader in the Pro-Life movement since 1972. I am Catholic of primarily Irish/Italian descent, the Colliers were Jewish/Puerto Rican (same heritage as Geraldo Rivera). The above explains why they named the chapter about our original collaboration "Strange Bedfellows". But we had in common a strong desire for justice and fair play in the public arena. The Colliers put everything on the line for their crusade, which was, truly, "our crusade" -- I mean all of us, the citizens of the USA. The courage of the Colliers in the pursuit of justice, even in the face of overwhelming odds against them, which they pursued to the very end without attenuation or compromise -- will always be an inspiration for me. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Gavin Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Polls -Caveat Lector- Good job Jim. You've taken the time to research the subject and your conclusions verify what many others are saying, which is, that these Clinton polls showing him to be very popular are nonsense. After having read "Votescam" by the Collier brothers (both are now dead) I'm in agreement with you that the voting system in this country is totally compromised. What do you think of the book? Gavin. Hey, Jerry! Polling is a "discipline"??? A discipline in high risk, high stakes deception maybe -- when practised by the Big 5 TV networks (FOX now aboard in that elite group). Also, your assertion that "the American people" "elected" Clinton twice is merely an act of faith on your part, as it has been made illegal in every state but New Hampshire to exersize citizen checks and balances on the computerized vote count. That's right, just like in tin horn dictatorships, or Communist countries, any American citizen who tries to double check the vote at the neighborhood precinct will be met with police power and eventually arrested if they insist. First to polling: Who are these polling "practitioners" who know the "ins and outs"?? Please read SuperPollsters: How They Measure and Manipulate Public Opinion in America by David W. Moore, who himself has been a pollster for 26 years. The book is endorsed by David Broder of the Washington Post, so it can hardly be dismissed by people like yourself, who believe that the polls are "scientific." Here is a sentence from the concluding paragraphs of the book: "There is still a tendency for media polls to create the illusion of public opinion, by asking forced-choice questions on some topics that are unfamiliar to most people. And public opinion about most topics is not as fully explored as it was for the Persian Gulf War, often resulting in misleading conclusions about its stability and precision." end of quote. And then the concluding sentence ends with, " . . . polling can, indeed, provide a continuous monitoring of the elusive pulse of democracy. More or less." This is the polling industry speaking. I charge without doubt that the polling by the 5 Big TV networks on Clinton is weighted and dishonest. Who are they polling? Exactly how is the poll conducted? It's permissable to question and scrutinize ANYTHING in the election process EXCEPT 1) How polls are done and who is polled; 2) how the votes are "counted" by the computer programs (I have yet to talk to one county official who signs election results as "true" who can even name the person who programmed the computer which counted the votes!!!) and yet, we are supposed to run our entire country based on these daily polls, and the computerized vote counting, -- and also on that complete hoax known as "exit polling" The ENTIRE argument of the sorry rabble of Clintonistes on the talk shows is -- THE POLLS and the COMPUTERIZED VOTE COUNTS of the last two Presidential elections. What a gullible nation we have become. I'm sorry to have to refer to my own website, but www.networkamerica.org contains much much more information on the unverifiable and riggable nature of exit polls and computerized voting, as well as numerous referrals to experts and articles (some in the establishment press) which back up the position I have stated above
[CTRL] Forward 1776misc list: Chelsea's Half Brother -- Inspires my best Tirade of the New Year so far!
-Caveat Lector- Bruce wrote: Thanks Bill Already have his picture posted on my site. ;o) http://www.phonet.com/bsimon/ Feminists must be pulling there hair out right about now.. the ultimate dead beat dad.. hahaha Bruce My reply: Feminists are NOT pulling their hair out. The hard core Feminists - such as dead-eyed Gloria Steinem and horror-movie candidate Betty Freidan -- have never been interested in women, only in ushering in an evil anti-Christian society ruled by them and their ideological brethren and sistren. Their ability to defend Clinton now frustrates and infuriates our side because we have scruples and can't understand what kind of a demonized mind doesn't. If they had an OUNCE of respect for women they wouldn't call their destructive organization the National Organization for Women, when they know darn well their organization makes most women PUKE (figuratively). Naturally that's just another one of their brazen propaganda assaults on us. They should be called National Organization for Some Very Few Women (Even with FULL backing by the evil Big TV networks since the 60's, NOW STILL doesn't have but a fraction of the members of the much younger Concerned Women For America. Most of the "normal" women who have fallen for their line have been horribly abused (I'm not speaking physically here) by an immature man, often moved in that direction by soft-porn corrupters like Hugh Hefner. WHICH REMINDS ME -- NOW has taken money from Playboy over the years, $50,000 in one instance about 10 years ago -- WHY? Because Playboy and NOW are part of the same assault on Christian America, they are soul mates and they like each other. Feminists who criticize the soft porn industry are drummed out of the NOW-type organizations and given NO FURTHER PUBLICITY to speak of by the evil Big TV networks. Predator Hugh Hefner was quoted by The Weekly Standard a few months ago as saying that the issue of whether Clinton stays or goes is the FINAL conflict in the cultural war -- if Clinton stays, the forces of evil represented by Playboy and NOW have, in Hefner's judgement won --- and THAT's why every moral reprobate in the country is rising frantically to Clinton's defense, from the demented tirade by Smart-Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien's show, to the shocking cowardice of the Republican weasels in the Senate who want to find "a way out" of this Senate Trial business quickly. (In most cases, I suspect they really want to find a way out for themselves before THEIR skeletons are hauled out of the closet.) Two final points: 1) The Big Media's guilty role in this was also underscored when a beautiful Penthouse Whatever of the Year, used the microphone at HER OWN AWARD ceremony to denounce Penthouse and the Soft Porn Industry as anti-woman. ALL FOUR OF THE evil Big TV networks censored this story and I only happened to find out about it and to see a picture of the woman at the ceremony due to the Spotlight Weekly's coverage of the incident. This was a GREAT story with a very "media-friendly" subject who would have attracted great ratings -- but her message was wrong -- so it was ruthlessly censored (like so much else) by these evil Big TV networks, which have to much in common with the Soviet's Pravda. 2) One of the biggest whammys against women have been the Playboy mentality spawning the greatly increased phenomenon of 40 year old men trading in their wife for two 20's (just kidding, that was my late grandmother's favorite lines) -- but middle age men DO trade in their wife and the kids they had by her for another, often a younger, woman; then NOW arranged so that the courts treat the mother with all the kids and the traitor-Dad just about equally, forcing the woman to work and abandon her kids, who are now more or less latch-key kids. Ask one of these mother's who have been left with the two, three, four, five, or six kids after the Dad goes elsewhere to play "house" --- about what kind of "liberation" the NOW she-devils have secured for HER. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: 1776misc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B. Simon Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chelsea's Half Brother Date sent: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:39:26 -0500 Send reply to: 1776misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: $$-BillsBest-$$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Bills Best Coins Subject:Chelsea's Half Brother To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Bill Already have his picture posted on my site. ;o) http://www.phonet.com/bsimon/ Feminists must be pulling there hair out right about now.. the ultimate dead beat dad.. hahaha Bruce Little Danny Williams, now 13, fathered by our Prez.story breaking in NY Post 1/4/99 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not al
Re: [CTRL] Hawk: You forced me to laugh out loud! Thanks.
-Caveat Lector- Thanks, Hawk! I don't think there's any better way to compact into one sentence the full absurdity of otherwise intelligent Americans who accept the criminal elitist usurpation of that function (voting at election time) which determines the ENTIRE direction of our government. For those who want to get in on the joke, read below. I laughed out loud, and while I laugh a lot to myself or quietly, there have only been a few lines in my adult life which have forced me to unexpectedly laugh out loud. Jim Condit Jr. Yes, its the same kind of "efficiencies" that regulate what percentage slot machines return to the suckers that play them... Hawk -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hawk Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - VotingC... -Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: I have to admit to being more than a tad suspicious of anything which the Libertarians or conservatives find appealing. The Libertarians sound appealing [snip] much of what was said at their convention in 1996 and it became plain that the party leaders are mostly interested in avoiding taxes. They either believe that it is possible to have a society worth living in without expenses or their top priority is "let George pay for it" where George is you or me. I believe you have Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy and the current system, socialism. Libertarians only want "George" to pay for what "George" uses, without any help from the rest of us. At this point i am not sufficiently familiar with the issue of going back to count the ballot the old fashioned way. Doubtlessly, there are certain efficiencies in automated vote counts for both time and money. Yes, its the same kind of "efficiencies" that regulate what percentage slot machines return to the suckers that play them... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] June Learning About RC teaching on Birth Prevention
and either do understand their position, or are, more likely, are still acting on what has been passed down to them from their parents, but do not really consciously support the premisis on which their position is founded (this accounts for the continual drift of Christians into liberalism and Libertarianism, because they are often converted after running into an articulate advocate of those principles who pry them away from their principles, tenuously held in the first place. Anyway, this tension between Christians and Jews is primarily what Fr. Fahey's books are about, he holding that this tension is in the nature of things due to the reality of the Messiah having come 2000 year ago.High level, international intrigue is another matter, involving only a handful of people, relatively speaking. It is this smaller groups of, primarily top-level Jews and top-level Masons, that I refer to when talking about international banking. So when we talk about the Vatican being co-opted by the forces of International banking in 1958, I hope it is clear I am not pointing a finger at any large group, the Jewish people or anybody else. Naturally, the great men of the earth want to control every government, including the one in Vatican City. So . . .If the Roman Catholic Church has really been a man-made concoction, then it is deservedly falling of its own weight as mankind matures ?? -- on the other hand, if the Roman Catholic Church is divine -- it will rise again unexpectedly and gloriously, after a chastisment, so that even the greatest doubters will be inspired to believe. Stay tuned . . . . .Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald Harp Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] June Learning About RC teaching on Birth Prevention -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 3:59:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God in this world so as to be happy with Him in the next for all eternity. The second, but subordinate, end of marriage is for the mutual support of the spouses and to allay concupiscence (libido). This is the teaching but is it complete? Catholics are mostly ignoring the prohibition on artificial means of birth control. What the Church teaching does not seem to account for is the benefit of a deepening of psychological intimacy between responsible adults that comes about through having sexual intercourse. The big problem is that folks are not measuring up to the greater responsibility of sex with birth control. Society becomes more hedonistic and unmindful that pregnancies occur even with birth control devices and that, as the cliche goes, you are sleeping with whoever your partner is sleeping with so that STDs are having a field day. Of course the let it all hang out attitudes especially prevalent among the young unmarrieds of 15-25 years don't help. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - Voting C...
-Caveat Lector- Dear Jerry, What you're responding to below was my post which was kindly re-posted by Lloyd Miller, so . . . Before giving you "an honest liberal" test, I can't refran from comments about Clinton being talented, for the masses, etc. etc. etc. These sentiments are so out in fairytale land that I confine my comments to a few sentences rather than a booklet-length rebuttal: The Big Media can sink Clinton in a few days anytime they want -- and they would have in Jan 98 if he hadn't agreed to go after Iraq again and to back off of any demands on Israel. Sure, Clinton WANTS to do the right thing on occasion, maybe even on a lot of occasions, but he's so blackmail-able, and so unprincipled when it comes to devotion to ANYTHING vs. saving his own skin -- that he can always be put back in the tank and made to be obedient again --- the blackmailable part of him, that's WHY he was chosen to be president back in 1990 or so when he was attending all those Bilderberger meetings over in the Netherlands with Dan Quayle et al. He's talented at smoozing the public, but let's not get carried away. If he was a bumbler, he would have been deemed "incompetent" to be put in the presidency. Mike Kinsley on Crossfire often gives his "honest conservative" test, and often the recipient fails it because they can't say what major programs they would cut in order to achieve their stated desire to decrease taxes (Howard Phillips would never fail such as test.) But here's your honest liberal test regarding computerized elections: Do you support a return to citizen checks and balances at the polling places once again as we had in most places before 1970? or do you support the present system where (excepting 70% of New Hampshire) it is ILLEGAL for neighborhood citizens to count their own votes with all factions witnessing, before they are whisked out of the nieghborhood and run through computers by nameless faceless "experts" who are unknown to the public and usually unknown to the Party Chairman "guarenteeing the results? (Note: There's nothing to stop computers from double checking the neighborhood count -- but that's not what the Ruling Elite wants, because then it would be impossible to rig elections with the flick of a switch from a central location.) What is your answer to that question, Jerry? If you want to go back to citizen checks and balances, then we have no quarrell, and I for one have NO fear of the results, even with a biased media pumping out weighted polls. If the Clintons and Barney Franks are still elected, so be it. But all my experience, for what it's worth, SHOUTS that liberals and establishment hacks are infinitely more resistant to restoring checks and balances than libertarians and conservatives, And if you are NOT for restoring citizen checks and balances at the neighborhood precinct, then I think that settles which one of us "distrusts the people" or "thinks the American people are stupid?" I am eager to hear your reply, because I have found that Clinton-type supporters invariably LOVE the current no-checks-and-balances computerized vote tallying systems. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald Harp Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 9:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - Voting C... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: And, you are on a conspiracy research list, and you're putting out the bunk that Clinton is the one responsible for the economy? He's giving the Alan Greenspan crowd, The Ruling Elite, what they want, and Greenspan keeps the interest rates down. Also, the economy is only great for the Vultures on Wall Street, the average working man is groaning under unnecessary debt artificially created by even the "low" interest rates we have, and the ungodly tax burden. OK, Lloyd, you don't trust the polls and you don't trust the election. Perhaps you would trust the polls and elections only if they came out as you please. Where i find a major disconnect in your opinions that you assume Clinton is the boy of the ruling elite. However, the ruling elites must constantly check him such as paring back the initial request for increasing the minimum wage or setting up an expensive and extensive propaganda barrage against national health insurance. I fully agree that although GDP keeps climbing and the number of millionaires in the nation grows, the average guy is not sharing in the prosperity of the rich. I hardly think that the answer is to vote against the one presidential candidate and party which consistently proposes and works for a more inclusive society. I don't buy the quasi-nihilistic notion of they're all the same. History is cl
Re: [CTRL] June Learning About RC teaching on Birth Prevention
-Caveat Lector- May I recommend the book "CATHOLIC PROPHECY" by Yves Dupont from TAN books in Rockford Illinois? This book details a time, which is apparantly our time, when the poeple of the time our shocked at the teaching that was once taken for granted throughout Western Civilization. Yes, using CONDOMS violates human nature and is also detrimental to men and women. The marriage act should only take place within marriage (that's one's first valid marriage, not the second, third, fourth, or fifth) and always in such as way to make the transmission of life possible if God so wills. The first end of marriage is the raising of children to know, love, and serve God in this world so as to be happy with Him in the next for all eternity. The second, but subordinate, end of marriage is for the mutual support of the spouses and to allay concupisence (libido). ... Now you may think this is nuts, I'm nuts, or whatever you want to think about what I "dare" to say about this subject --- but I am accurately conveying the constant teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, which remains unchanged today. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of KA Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: Most women using birth control of their own choice? So much the worse. These women know deep down they're violating their nature, One would presume your condemnation extends to women who use the diaphram or have their tubes tied, also? How DARE you presume to state you 'know' what women's 'nature' is, let alone whether we are 'violating' it or not... just as the men who use it, Presumably this means using condoms I asked her if everything was OK. She said she had to keep a close monitor because of her birth control pills she was taking. Anecdotal? Yes. But the And only relevant to the late 60s To be fair, why don't you also tell us about all the women who have severe health problems due to pregnancy? June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] nurev learning about birth control pills
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps, nurev, you're too young to remember how many times in the last 40 years the predators at Planned Parenthood have come on with their mock-teary act about how women who used such and such a birth control pill should get themselves medically checked; there have been MANY deaths from birth prevention (anti-baby) pills, which are also anti-woman --- and which have led to untold unhappiness as every woman who's man demands she use birth control has the realization at some level that she is being used a sex vessel rather than treated as a person. Information on this subject can be obtained from American Life League in, I believe, Vienna, Va. May I recommend some research to back up your invective? Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 29, 1998 9:15 PM, nurev [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Are you telling us you are against birth control pills, too? Absolutely. Better to call them birth prevention pills, or anti-baby pills. They do tremendous harm to women, too. This is where the many Protestant religions bit the dust (again) in following the demonic Margaret Sanger, while the Roman Catholic Church has been consistent and held firm. They don't do tremendous harm to women at all. You do tremendous harm to women by spreading primitive unscientific superstitious bullshit. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Apology to Zaharis
-Caveat Lector- Oh, dear! I didn't realize Zaharis was one of our fellow contributors when I said "he was an idiot" on the point of a man's responsibility beginning at birth to the unborn child and the woman. The way Lee quoted him I thought Zaharis was some kind of Cultural Icon like Hugh Hefner that I just hadn't heard about yet, in the case of cultural icons of the left, I feel free to use such invective, just as the left uses such against Joseph McCarthy. However, as Zaharis is a fellow contributer, I want to amend my comment to just say that "he (or she) is as wrong as he can be" on that point. Sorry for the name-calling! Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Polls
margin for impeachment/removal. Oh, I forgot, these polls are "unscientific." I say they are MORE scientific than the BIg Media Polls because at least they are spontaneous and honest within their own stated parameters. Jerry, why do YOU have such unlimited and credulous faith in the Big Media Polls and the uncheckable computerized vote "counts" ?? More on phony Big Media polls designed to MANIPULATE and CONDITION public opinion, rather than measure it: I was in Dubuque, Iowa for the Buchanan-Dole primary race of 1996. CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC ran for a week that Dole was at 28%, Forbes 26% and Buchanan 12%. Walking around in Dubuque, Dole was POSITIVELY despised by everyone of the normal people. People would almost spit when his name came up. This contradicted the Iowa's "3rd Senator" bilge put out by the Big Media - but still it was clear the local party would get out some vote for Dole. Forbes had no visible support. Buchanan bumper stickers were everywhere and Buchanan drew 400 raucously enthusiastic supporters on a night where 3 inches of snow had already fallen in the 6 previous hours. The others who showed up all drew about 50 to 100 who were more like curiosity seekers than supporters. I started to ask myself, "Do the Big Networks know something we don't know? Is there really a groundswell for Forbes that they can measure from New York and D.C., but is not evident to anyone on the ground there in Dubuque? AND GUESS WHAT!!! On the Saturday before the Iowa Caucus (to be held two days later on Monday, Feb 12, 1996, --- ALL FOUR OF THE SLEAZY BIG NETWORKS DROPPED THE POLL NUMBERS THAT HAD BEEN RUNNING FOR THE LAST 10 days --- and suddenly stated that, because of Forbes negative advertising, they would have to abandon making any prediction for Monday's Caucus, because now 40% had become undecided !!! Here's the real reason: All four networks were conspiring to keep Buchanan's vote down and boost the ridiculous establishment candidates, Forbes and Dole. You see, the Iowa Caucus could not be messed with en masse, as could the computerized states such as Ohio, Texas, California, etc., because it was not an unverifiable computerized vote! It was a live caucus where people from each neighborhood met and voted and counted the votes on the spot. So the final "official" result? Dole 26%, Buchanan 23%, Forbes 12%. You see, if we believe the absurd Big TV Network story, for the first time in history, the negative advertising against Dole barely affected Dole, but it boomeranged on Forbes and drove HIS numbers down from 26% to 12% -- what a bunch of malarkey. There is much evidence that the State GOP, with the full cooperation of the 4 Big networks, did much to inflate Dole's numbers and suppress Buchanan's even at that; for instance, we PROVED by eye-witness evidence of Dole, Gramm, Keyes, and Buchanan people on the scene in Dubuque -- that Voter News Service (exit polling arm of all Big 4 TV stations, confirmed by FEC report by Margaret Sims, 1994) and the Iowa GOP stole 13% of Buchanan's vote in Dubuque by the time it hit the wire services the next morning. If they stole only 4% statewide, then Buchanan, not Dole, who the Iowa Primary. There was much more chicanery too, most of which is covered in the "newspaper" at www.networkamerica.org. I'll leave the computer-vote tallying info to a few referrals: The Dangers of Computerized Voting by Ronnie Dugger, New Yorker, Nov. 7, 1988 at your library. The book: Votescam: The Stealing of America by James Kenneth Collier: Pandora's Black Box: Did It Really Count Your Vote? -- Relevance Magazine, Nov, 1996; two election reports put out by the Commerce Department and supervised by Roy Saltman which catalogued dozens of election situations which showed that to believe the computerized vote tally is simply, "an act of faith." Did you know, even with as bad/horrible/senile a candidate as Dole was, that he won more counties than Clinton? That Clinton's victories came from the overwhelming margins he "garnered" in the Big City computer counts? My guess is that Clinton probably beat Dole, but it is much less certain that he defeated Bush in 1992 (of course, all three men are absolutely horrible) -- but my point is that it is an act of faith on your part or mine to believe that Clinton won these elections. Sorry if this upsets so many people commentary on current realities. Also, we "Clijnton haters" hate his evil, EVIL agendas and thoroughly transparant disgusting hypocrisy --- not him, as he is a pathetic figure by any historical standard, and a pathetic puppet to students of the Ruling Elite. Your use of "Clinton Hater" is an attempt to associate mental imbalance due to over-charged emotions to those who see Clinton's evil. Or, maybe, you are a "Hitler-Hater" out of overcharged emotion --- not based on Hitler's evil, EVIL agendas, record and actions? I
Re: [CTRL] Brown Germany
-Caveat Lector- Germany's occupational government's support of the Iraq bombing just shows that the dominant worldwide Jewish Lobby controls Germany, along with the government of Great Britain, the USA, and Canada. That's all. Don't get too bogged down with whether the government is superficially called, Democrat, Republican, a combination of the two, Social Democrat, Green-Red, etc. Don't be afraid to emulate the Scare Crow in the Wizard of OZ, pull back the curtain and see who's really animating the Great OZ (these governments). It must also be mentioned that much credit and thanks must be given to those Jewish scholars and groups bucking the Judeo-Masonic Ruling Elite, such as those who put out the excellent MER list on the internet. Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:33 AM, Alamaine Ratliff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Whatever "was" was ... From wsws.org "" "The new consists in the fact that everything stays as it was" (Fischer, in an interview with the weekly newspaper Die Zeit). "" WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Germany The mask falls: Germany's Red-Green government and the bombing of Iraq By Ulrich Rippert 29 December 1998 Nothing has more clearly revealed the true nature of the German Red-Green (Social Democratic Party-Green Party) governing coalition than its support for the American bombing terror attack against Iraq. This action alone belies all the descriptions of the coalition as a "left government". What can one expect from a government which justifies the bombing of a former colonial land which has been bled white by years of economic sanctions, and repeats the most stupid and outrageous propaganda lies of the aggressor? How will such a government deal with its own people? According to the US Pentagon, during the 70 hours of air strikes over four nights, 100 targets were bombed. Some 415 cruise missiles were fired, including 325 Tomahawks from US war ships and 90 from fighter planes--more missiles than were launched in the entire gulf war of 1991. In addition, hundreds of bombs were dropped. The first estimates from the US military reported 28 targets destroyed and another 46 severely damaged. Iraqi officials claimed heavy civilian casualties. On the second day of the bombardment German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder declared that the military intervention was "the result of the stubborn refusal of Saddam Hussein to collaborate with the UN inspectors in controlling weapons of mass destruction". And further: "Our solidarity with our NATO partners is without question." The chairman of the Social Democratic (SPD) fraction in the Reichstag, Peter Struck, declared the military action to be "regrettable, but necessary". As to whether the German government would be prepared to give more extensive, active support, Defence Minister Sharping (SPD) declared there had been no requests in that direction and therefore such additional support was not a current issue for the government. However the chairman of the defence committee, Wieczorek (SPD), did not exclude the possibility of "logistical support". Anyone who expected criticism of the military action by the leading politicians of the Green Party was quickly disappointed. On the second day of bombing, during an official visit to Dublin, Foreign Minister Joseph Fischer appeared before cameras, furrowed his brow and assumed his very best posture as statesman. He proceeded to repeat the exact formulation used by then-Chancellor Helmut Kohl in 1991 to justify German support for the gulf war: "Saddam Hussein bears full responsibility". His state minister, Ludger Vollmer, reckoned to be a "left" in the Greens, said on the same morning: " The government regrets that it has come to this military confrontation. Nevertheless, we say very clearly that the ultimate responsibility is born by Saddam Hussein." In its edition of December 18 the conservative newspaper Tagesspiegel commented: "As well the defence politician Angelika Beer, up until recently reckoned to be strongly left-orientated, framed her criticism in vocabulary faithful to the line of the coalition: apprehension, reservations, regret." The opportunism of the Greens is virtually boundless and takes increasingly bizarre forms. Twenty years ago this party appealed to many young people as an ecological and pacifist opposition movement. Now it is ready to agree to anything and everything. Even two years ago, if someone had predicted that the next German foreign minister would be called Fischer and that in his second month in office he would agree to an American attack on Iraq, that person would have been ridiculed and Fischer himself would have protested. Who does not recall the innumerable resolutions and endless debates in which the Greens emphasised th
[CTRL] FW: MER Magazine - July 1997 - [MER FlashBack]
-Caveat Lector- Thought some of you might like to know how to get info from the MER (Mid-East Realities) group. -Original Message- From: MER FlashBack [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:MER Magazine - July 1997 - [MER FlashBack] _ M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S : IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU DON'T GET IT! "THE MOST UNIQUE, INTERESTING AND WORTHWHILE MIDDLE EAST PUBLICATION ON THE INTERNET." Read the hundreds of Readers' Comments from Throughout the World at: http://WWW.MIDDLEEAST.ORG/commentsx.htm ** NOTE TO READERS: Many of the thousands of persons and organizations now receiving MER began doing so in recent months. We have now arranged past MER articles into monthly on-line magazines; and during this period when regular pubication of MER is suspended we will be publishing Monthly Table of Contents from the past. Just click on the link indicated and you can easily read any of the articles mentioned. ** M E R M O N T H L Y M A G A Z I N E J U L Y1 9 9 7 http://www.MiddleEast.Org/july97.htm T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S : "SlaughterHouse" in Persian Gulf Predicted "Watch Me Bleed" - Palestinian Poem Israeli Mole In Washington? Bibi YES, Edward Said NO War Ahead In Mid-East? Algeria - Gross Injustice Prevails: MER Editorial What To Do? - MER Editorial Hey Newt! What's That About Nazi Behavior? America - Tormenter of the Palestinians Surprise Attack Coming? Israeli Torture Systematic and "Legal" Trump, Jerusalem Miss Universe Jordanian 'Democracy' A Myth...and Rami Khouri Free Vanunu Now ** To find out how to receive MER regularly email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S POBOX 18367 - Washington, DC 20036 202 362-5266 Fax: 202 362-6965 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://WWW.MIDDLEEAST.ORG DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 27, 1998 9:39 AM, KA [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: over by the Roman Catholic Church . . . with the result that the world became civilized. THAT's debatable! Debatable, yes, but I submit we're coasting on the civilization brought to the world by the Roman Catholic Church between 4th and 14th century (one hundred years or so before Apostate priest Luther started changing the Bible which the Catholic monks of the Middle ages had preserved after the Catholic Popes (Damascus I to Gregory the Great) compiled and St. Jerome translated.) Now, as paganism revives, civilization is in a free-fall. And now the forces of neo-paganism with their birth prevention (anti-baby) pills, abortion, "mercy" killing and the whole mix, Hogwash. I know plenty of 'neo pagans', including Wiccans, who don't believe in abortion nor euthanasia...and plenty of Roman Catholics who do... I know you're right about the traitorous, apostate Roman Catholics (many too dumb and shallow to know of their infidelity) and don't know any Wiccans --- but as I understand it, both are simply in contradiction of their professed group's doctrine. Are you telling us you are against birth control pills, too? Absolutely. Better to call them birth prevention pills, or anti-baby pills. They do tremendous harm to women, too. This is where the many Protestant religions bit the dust (again) in following the demonic Margaret Sanger, while the Roman Catholic Church has been consistent and held firm. (All Protestant religions in the USA, except the liberal plants like Unitarianism) were anti-birth control in 1930, for instance. Many neo-pagans think they have a great "find" when they reveal that many cultures have the story of a Savior, and mother and child "team" like Jesus and Mary, etc. Did it ever occur to any of these neo-pagans that the ONLY way these "legends" could have appeared in so many cultures is that they have a common source? And that source was the promise of a Savior for mankind passed on by Noah after the great flood. Then explain to us the flood legends which come to us from civilizations which PRE-DATE Noah? ;-) OK. I should have said that Adam and Eve were promised a Savior, and that the promise they passed on got distorted in many cultures up to the time of Noah -- but you have to sometimes try to cut these posts short when you think you've made the essential point. Let alone the 'saviour' legends which also come from those pre-Noah cultures... Same deal -- or are you suggesting that "evolution" planted these notions in widely diverse peoples, all getting the idea independently, or what are you suggesting regarding the prevalence of the Savior or the Mother/Child team legends found in so many cultures? And those who believe that Jesus is a myth, might try to explain the Shoud of Turin, which still defies all explanations despite Ruling Elite attempts There are as many scientific studies debunking the shroud as supporting the theory that it's Jesus' actual shroud...it all boils down to FAITH... I don't think so. They can't reproduce the shroud today, despite much high-falutin bunk that hopes you infer that they can. Also, the Shroud had certain pollens in it that were only found in the Mid-east area. It is by FAITH alone that one is saved, not by turning THINGS into icons and worshipping them... Here, here; so true. Who said anything about worshiping icons? Material things or signs are sometimes given to strengthen Faith. But, check out St. Paul, you need to believe with a Divine Faith, and you need to believe what Christ taught " . . . he who hears the Church (singular), hears Me." It's in St. Mark and elsewhere. It is blasphemy to believe that the Holy Ghost inspires dozens of "churches" which contradict themselves on the most basic points, such as what it takes to be saved. God is truth, and not a bundle of contradictions. One Faith, one Church, one magisterial voice, one flock, one Shepherd. Incorruptibles, (see book by Joan Carroll), etc. and so on. As Joe Sobran said, if you think that Jesus was a hoax, consider that His words are still be quoted 2000 years later --- And how long have the Buddha's words been quoted...or those of the Hindus...or of Confuscius, or Lao-Tze? All those religions have been around much longer than Christianity... Good point. But I believe all those religions are based on real men, not on hoaxes. It's only Christ that claims to have risen from the dead. The others didn't da
Re: [CTRL] Liars Butler, Clinton, and Cohen destroyed re: Iraq At...
-Caveat Lector- I want to be on record at this time as considering the below comments by Jerry Harp absolutely ridiculous and desperate. Always the personal attack -- this time against Scott Ritter, who still supports dethroning Saddam (I'd go for that too, as Saddam was originally a CIA asset) and also supports the UN's "snoopy nose" operation inside Iraq (which I do not). I might modify or reverse the above comments if Mr. Harp can produce evidence that Ritter was "defanged" for being a hothead. As I recall, he was not fired -- he quit for other reasons long before this incident. Ritter nails the coffin shut on the "dead on arrival" claim by Clinton, Cohen, and Butler that the timing of the bombing had nothing to do with the impeachment vote. Clinton hoped to postpone it past Christmas hoping some other strategy could be worked out, as all democrats demonstrated by saying "We can't vote on impeachment with our boys in harm's way" --- but Hyde went ahead anyway. And what a different attitude for the Dems that they exhibited during the Vietnam war! Nobody worried about criticizing the Prez with 500,000 boys REALLY in harm's way, not the phony "harm's way" involved in the recent "push button" way, to steal a phrase from pundit Robert Novak (Capital Gang, CNN). Jim Condit Jr. On Monday, December 21, 1998 12:44 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/21/98 9:35:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ritter told The Post yesterday. "This was designed to generate a conflict that would justify a bombing." Scott Ritter is beside himself with the me mees. Ritter wanted to touch off the bombing and he is pissed that he was defanged for being a grandstanding hot head. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:16 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: (in part) We listened to many of the speeches and to commentary following the votes on a local all news radio station. The democrats' speeches were cut up on our station just as they were for you. They often didn't make sense. (End of quote from Jerry Harp) Don't feel too cheated gang. I listened to many of the Democrat speeches IN TOTO -- and they STILL didn't make sense! Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FWD:The 4 Big TV networks Absolutely Controlled
-Caveat Lector- Au contraire, there are dozens of facts or aspects of issues that it is absolutely forbidden for any major press operation to do reports on. Sometimes ONE REPORT slips out on one outlet, and then the reporter is "informed" that there is no interest in the subject, and he better get the hint, or he'll be moved to business or sports or human interest features until he gets the hint. It is absolutely forbidden to do in depth reports on Voter News Service (see www.networkamerica.org under Newspaper), It is absolutely forbidden to do reports that Americans are forbidden under penalty of arrest to handcount the ballots at their neighborhood precinct and thereby double check the computer count. It is absolutely forbidden to do in depth investigative reports on the fact that there is no law requiring Americans to pay income tax to the IRS, or that most Americans wages are not legally defined as "income" in American jurisprudence; it is absolutely forbiddent to do in depth reports on the facts that money sent to the IRS goes to the FED or the IMF, it is absolutely forbidden to do in depth reports on the many proofs that one truck bomb could never have done the damage to the Oklahoma City Murrah Bldg that is claimed, that their were two blasts registered on seismic (sp?) readers that day, that the time line agreed to by Defense and Prosecution in the OJ trial was not possible in light of police computer records, that the Federal Reserve Board is a private corporation run for the profit, that the every police procedure in the book was violated in a criminal manner to cover up the Vince Foster death (Ruddy not welcome in mass media) etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. -- instead we get from ALL FOUR NETWORKS and the big daily papers, endless coverage, in every minute detail, of OJ, Nancy Kerrigan's knee, Monica, Monica, Monica. Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, Chris Matthews, Larry King, Hannity Colmes, O'Reillly, can not do one in depth show on these topics with a fair hearing from all sides without losing their career, or at least be given a "friendly" warning that they had better "pick up on" that they are not to do it again. The controlled press, especially the Big Four TV networks are the greatest enemy America has ever had to face. Jim Condit Jr. On Sunday, December 20, 1998 1:31 AM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 11:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By DICK MORRIS CAN anyone seriously believe that the ''outing'' of incoming House Speaker Robert Livingston's extra-marital affairs is not the work of the White House Secret Police? Of course. It will apparently surprise you to know that some press operations are not controlled, only the biggies and some house organs are. There are investigative reporters out there. One aggressive investigator who has travel money is all that is needed. Each politician has enemies eager to talk. It's not mysterious. Of course, Larry Flynt probably helped smoke out BL. It is claimed that the mainstream reporters know this stuff already because the folks who got screwed (figuratively or literally) tell them this stuff. It is not reported by these guys but when they drink in a friendly club situation or feel disgusted enough to pass the info on to a small operator, things can get out. The element of conspiracy in this information is exaggerated. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. Th
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for the suggestion, but I've received expert advice that my e-mails are having no impact whatsoever on the bandwith problem. But speaking of time, I'm preparing a reply to a portion of the attack on Fr. Fahey diligently posted by RoadsEnd, and I will need a little more time to get to you. Also, I am able to spend time with beloved, and but thanks for concern. Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. On Saturday, December 19, 1998 11:48 PM, Peter Vit [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Mr. Jim Condit Jr., If you are so busy, why don't you spend your spare time with your beloved and free the bandwidth. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor e ffects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Khazaria.......NOT!
-Caveat Lector- I'm happy to be able to refer all to research that will settle the "Khazar" issue. (incidentally, I'm not the two people below are communicating accurately with each other) -- Arthur Koestler, himself a Jewish scholar, wrote The Thirteenth Tribe which was on the New York Times best seller list for quite a few months back in the 1970's. In it he urges support for Israel but, but also urges that the "chosen people" line be dropped since, according to him, 70% of the Jews in the world today are descended from the Khazars in Russia who converted to Judaism, only 30% being descended from the Hebrew people of Biblical times. Encyclopedia Britannicas from about 1913 and before have the area of Khazaria on the maps dealing with the Middle Ages located in what today is called Russia. Also, the Book Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed covers this issue in some depth. Finally, and most devastatingly for those who are against the decisive evidence for the existence of Khazars who converted to Judaism in about the 11th century, thus destroying the "chosen people" defense for apologists for modern day Israel's numerous crimes against the Palestinians and Lebonese, -- see Ted Pike's book or videotape, The Other Israel, in which he quotes from, and identifies where, in the Jewish Encyclopedia the story of the Khazars and their conversion to Talmudic Judaism (as opposed to Old Testment Hebrewism) can be found. Case closed? Thanks. Jim Condit Jr. On Saturday, December 19, 1998 9:30 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 4:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Well, it sounds like the ever plotting nefarious Jews have been caught with their hand in the jar again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust[2]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
-Caveat Lector- Man, Roads End, quick research. I'm too bogged down right now to analyze in depth the pscho-babble of the pathetic Jean-Paul Sarte --- but I'll take this up when I post Fr. Fahey's short, concise clear definition of "anti-Semitism." Jim Condit Jr. On Thursday, December 17, 1998 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" an excerpt from: Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate Jean-Paul Sarte George J Becker(translator) Schocken Books(C)1948,1976 New York, NY Paul Morhien(C)1946 Paris, France ISBN 0-8052-1047-4 --(2)-- We must not confuse this precedence the anti-Semite enjoys by virtue of his principles with individual merit. The anti-Semite is not too anxious to possess individual merit. Merit has to be sought, just like truth; it is discovered with difficulty; one must deserve it. Once acquired, it is perpetually in question: a false step, an error, and it flies away. Without respite, from the beginning of our lives to the end, we are responsible for what merit we enjoy. Now the anti-Semite flees responsibility as he flees his own consciousness, and choosing for his personality the permanence of rock, he chooses for his morality a scale of petrified values. Whatever he does, he knows that he will remain at the top of the ladder; whatever the Jew does, he will never get any higher than the first rung. We begin to perceive the meaning of the anti-Semite's choice of himself. He chooses the irremediable out of fear of being free; he chooses mediocrity out of fear of being alone, and out of pride he makes of this irremediable mediocrity a rigid aristocracy. To this end he finds the existence of the Jew absolutely necessary. Otherwise to whom would he be superior? Indeed, it is vis-a-vis the Jew and the Jew alone that the anti-Semite realizes that he has rights. If by some miracle all the Jews were exterminated as he wishes, he would find himself nothing but a concierge or a shopkeeper in a strongly hierarchical society in which the quality of "true Frenchman" would be at a low valuation, because everyone would possess it. He would lose his sense of rights over the country because no one would any longer contest them, and that profound equality which brings him close to the nobleman and the man of wealth would disappear all of a sudden, for it is primarily negative. His frustrations, which he has attributed to the disloyal competition of the Jew, would have to be imputed to some other cause, lest he be forced to look within himself. He would run the risk of falling into bitterness, into a melancholy hatred of the privileged classes. Thus the anti-Semite is in the unhappy position of having a vital need for the very enemy he wishes to destroy. The equalitarianism that the anti-Semite seeks with so much ardor has nothing in common with that equality inscribed in the creed of the democracies. The latter is to be realized in a society that is economically hier archical, and is to remain compatible with a diversity of functions. But it is in protest against the hierarchy of functions that the anti-Semite asserts the equality of Aryans. He does not understand anything about the division of labor and doesn't care about it. From his point of view each citizen can claim the title of Frenchman, not because he co-operates, in his place or in his occupation, with others in the economic, social, and cultural life of the nation, but because he has, in the same way as everybody else, an imprescriptible and inborn right to the indivisible totality of the country. Thus the society that the anti-Semite conceives of is a society of juxtaposition one can very well imagine, since his ideal of property is that of real and basic property. Since, in point of fact, anti-Semites are numerous, each of them does his part in constituting a community based on mechanical solidarity in the heart of organized society. The degree of integration of each anti-Semite with this society, as well as the degree of his equality, is fixed by what I shall call the temperature of the community. Proust has shown, for example, how anti-Semitism brought the duke closer to his coachman, how, thanks to their hatred of Dreyfus, bourgeois families forced the doors of the aristocracy. The equalitarian society that the anti-Semite believes in is like that of mobs or those instantaneous societies which come into being at a Iynching or during a scandal. Equality in them is the product of the non-differentiation of functions. The social bond is anger; the collectivity has no other goal than to exercise over certain individuals a diffused repressive sanction. Collective impulsions and stereo types are imposed on individuals all the more strongly because none of them is defended by
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Right, Jerry, I'm not an anti-semite. Here's a test for you: name some criticism of anything the dominant Jewish Lobby is doing that could be criticized without you suspecting the person was an "anti-semite" -- and, my "uncharacteristic" syntax errors come from not double checking everything I write because I'm super busy and often writing these in the middle of the night after I get done a long day's work. But, as Fr. Fahey says, it has long been a tactic to try to associate criticism of anything Jewish with a lack of mental balance, as you have once again demonstrated. Yes, you do need Fr. Fahey to explain to you the difference between anti-Semitism and necessary criticism of movement's which oppose the order of the world, and I will be posting his short passage on that soon, as well as the titles of his books and where to get them. His books are "the" essential reading for conspiracy researchers, in order to get a balance between the relationship between high-level plotting (less of a problem) and the clash of social organisms which have conflicting moral agendas (much more of the cause of unrest in the world). Incidentally, war-monger Clinton has already cravenly put more bombs into Iraq than Bush did according to MSNBC --- this is the first time our beloved America has attacked another country at length when that country had not first invaded or committed aggression against ourselves or someone else. PROOF that America is now under alien occupation at the Federal level. And Clinton declared this war WITHOUT Congressional approval. But I'm sure you couldn't care less about the constitution when it comes to killing for the New World Order and its "most favored" nation, Israel. Have fun . . . . . Jim Condit Jr. On Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:23 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. You're not an anti-Semite? The dictionaries should show your face in the definition space. Incidentally, i don't need Fr. Fahey to tell me what anti- Semitism is since i have seen it all my life and find it disgusting. Your uncharacteristic errors in syntax betrays your blind rage. President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast. Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary o
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- See Fr. Fahey for analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" Christian countries defending themselves against the anti-Christ, Talmudic mentality of the historical dominant leaders of Jewry -- is NOT anti-Semitism. Unjust persecution of individual Jews can be called that (although the word is still too wide and loose because most Arabs are Semites, and most Arabs are against Israel). Of course, the dominant faction of Jewish leaders have always called anyone or anything that challenges any part of their agenda "anti-Semitic." I repeat what I said before on this list: the word anti-Semite lost its sting when the whole media tried to pin it on Buchanan after his victory in New Hampshire in 1996. At that point several tens of millions of Americans thought to themselves, "They're talking about me if they're talking about Buchanan -- and I'm not anti-Semitic. So now David Duke or Hitler himself could come out on the nation's stage, and Ted Koppel and Geraldo could call them anti-Semitic all they wanted and it wouldn't do any good. Sad, but true -- but that's what happens when on group of dishonent info-thugs perverts a word for their own dishonest, propaganda motives. Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:22 AM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 10:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Christianity has a long history of anti-Semitism. I believe that Christianity has now essentially shucked that evil, the exception in the US being the racism of the identity movement (there are, of course, parallel groups in Europe). The southern Klansmen and white Aryan groups have heavily infiltrated the militia groups. The militia groups was already imbedded with the identity movement. The southern racists found it was easy to add another brand of hate to these deeply suspicious men who had already been forced off farms and out of heavy industry as the economy began to seriously go global in the 1980s. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who had been tracking the movements of the most prominent racists were the first to detect this movement of leaders from the Klan and white citizen counsels to the militias. They have now set up a militia tracking unit. They report on both the traditional Klan type activity and the racist activity among the militia in their Intelligence Report, a quarterly. Of course racism is having a bit of a resurgence in Europe due to East European "wetbacks" swarming into West Europe. The Westerners resent the job competition much as the folks in California resented the "Okies" et al during the 1930s The Catholic Church did not collaborate in the Holocaust. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- SnoOwl strikes me as a real sincere conspiracy investigator . . . just like Dan Rather or Ted Koppel is. Alan Dershowitz revealed on Geraldo the other night that the reason the left must save Clinton is to thwart the pro-lifers, the Christian fundamentalists, etc. -- whom he called the forces of evil! -- so that they do not takeover the country. SnoOwl is obviously a Dershowitz soul-mate, as are several others on this list. They, like Dershowitz, do not seem to be sincere debaters, but only bent on calling "white" "black" and "black" "white" the impeachment of Clinton will tarnish EVERYTHING the man has done --- that's why the left i frantic, that's why it was worth dropping their mask to bomb Iraq now --- how many Americans will catch on? Every citizen who is an AMERICAN citizen first, as opposed to an Israeli citizen first, should begin to wonder why all those who want to save the degenerate Clinton also support the wanton, war-mongering attack on Iraq. This is the first time we have seen a major prolonged attack on a sovereign nation who was not already attacking somebody else. We have lost control of our country, and you don't have to look into shadowy, mysterious organizations to see who now runs it. It's on your TV every hour, 24 hours a day when an event like this is on --- those working with AIPAC, the evil B'nai B'rith, and the Isreali lobby. It's now out in the open for everyone to see. It is necessary that we have a Christian, dignified, but vigorous attitude as we move to take back our country like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and not fall for unjust reactions to unjust aggression such as was overseen by the evil Adolph Hitler -- who really has turned out to be the best propaganda weapon that anti-Christ Jewry ever had. Jim Condit Jr. On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:44 PM, M. A. Johnson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: Reading through this tripe, the consideration of a 'mirror' view regarding the Democratic desire to SAVE an accused perjurer who has abused his power and his office 'turned' on every word. Sno0wl wrote: This "accused perjurer" was accused of saying that he was never alone with a woman when, in fact, he was alone with her. Being alone with the woman was not, in itself, a crime. MJ: Correct, but LYING about this under oath in an effort to thwart culpability in a civil suit most certainly is ... as well as being in conflict with a President's oath of office. Sno0wl wrote: This "accused perjurer" is accused of saying that he never had "sexual relations" with a certain woman, when in fact he did have sexual relations of a sort. Having sexual relations with the woman was not a crime. MJ: Did you investigate the many laws regarding sodomy within the nation's capitol? LYING about this under oath in an effort to thwart culpability in a civil suit most certainly is ... as well as being in conflict with a President's oath of office. Sno0wl wrote: He is accused of perjury in relation to matters which do not, in any way, relate to criminal acts. MJ: The perjury itself is a criminal act. No mention of the abuses of office and power utilized to the goal of thwarting culpability in that civil manner? Afterall, Mr. Nixon was pursued for 'covering up' a crime he did not commit as compared to Clinton's desire to do the same for his OWN crimes. Sno0wl wrote: Many of the most educated people in our nation, including distinguished legal scholars and prosecutors who participated in the Iran-Contra hearings, cannot believe that Clinton is being impeached over these issues. Ken Starr's own ethical advisor has quit over these issues. However, all we hear on the news is what the ruthless, relentless, vengeful Republican members of the Judiciary Committee think, do, and say. MJ: Certainly one is learned enough to 'wade' through the BS and locate primary sourcing ... establishing an opinion for ones self of the FACTS. Hamilton, Federalist Number 65: A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities,
Re: [CTRL] One world one company.
-Caveat Lector- Oh, Brilliant comment, Josh2 -- it's good to be able to agree with you for once. Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:27 PM, nurev [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Maybe this is the direction we're heading. One company for energy, one for food, one for housing etc... seems very Communistic to me, but if the companies are privately owned, that's another case. Reminds me of an old movie called "Rollerball" where corporations have taken over the world and the one dissident plays a game called rollerball... they change the rules to kill him, but he is too tough for them... wish they would have made a sequel for once. Good Post. Regards, Bob Stokes If you want to see what they want it to look like, see a working model. The best working model is SURPRISE in the good old USA. No, not one company. No one would stand for it. It looks too much like monopoly or totalitarian communism. That's too many people to try to convert. They will use the American method of Oligopoly. That's where 2, 3, or 4 giants control 80% or 90% of any given market. Except for computer operating systems, the most profitable industries are divided up this way. Think about it. a) Breakfast cereals b) Autos c) Soft drinks d) Beer f) Tobacco g) Candy h) Gasoline etc... This is the closest you can get to being a monopoly without being a monopoly. It is also the best way to control prices without being a monopoly. All these companies' products cost about the same in each product market. That means that Coke and pepsi and 7up cost about the same and have been that way for as long as they have dominated the market. Same for Kellogg's and Post. Same for gasoline, candy, and cigarettes. To prove this, go to a supermarket, go to several supermarkets. The Aerospace industry is the first obvious global model. In the whole world there are only two primary airliner manufacturers AirBus and the American monstrosity. This is the future of Capitalism. But don't wory it is already failing. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
