[marketing-dev] Re: OPENOFFICE FOR TABLETS
On 6 August 2011 04:50, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: hi, On 2011-08-05, at 23:47 , Andy Brown wrote: Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Stephen, et al. I replied privately to Mrs Evaggelou, and pointed out that though OOo 3.3.x is licensed LGPL v3., the trademark for same is owned by Oracle and is not open source or copyleft: it is copyright. But the point, as I see it, is an ODF manipulator, editor, not OOo on a too small brain. I run LibO currently on a Asus Eee netbook with 1 Gig of RAM, 1.6 GHz Atom single core processor and Ubuntu/LibO. It's perfectly usable so I don't see any reason why multi-core ARM based tablets are going to be too small brain. I do think that the tablet market is largely wide open for OOo/LO but that window of opportunity could be narrow. It would be a good strategy to get OOo to Android asap because chances are that tablet users would also install OOo on any Windows PCs they use if it was on their tablet, especially if they use the tablet more. If one tablet manufacturer pre-installs OOo others will so as not to lose competitive edge. As time goes on I can see the imperative in making OOo a better experience on tablets rather than adding more features but in the first instance better to just get it working. -louis Andy -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: Resigning as Marketing Project Lead
Yes, thanks Peter. Hope to see you around the net in future. I must try and get to visit China ;-) Thanks On 7 June 2011 14:31, Elizabeth Matthis e.matt...@yahoo.de wrote: Dear Peter, You have been wonderful as leader in many capacities. Thank you for so much commitment over the years and for your continuing support of OOo. Best wishes for success in your new position! Liz p.s. I know I have been offline much of the time due to my own job issues, but when I caught this note I had to chime in with my thanks after all you have done! --- Peter Junge p...@openoffice.org schrieb am Mo, 6.6.2011: Von: Peter Junge p...@openoffice.org Betreff: [marketing-dev] Resigning as Marketing Project Lead An: dev@marketing dev@marketing.openoffice.org, marcon mar...@marketing.openoffice.org Datum: Montag, 6. Juni, 2011 18:07 Uhr Hi everyone, I have to resign as OOo Marketing Project Lead because a new professional engagement I took several weeks ago will not leave me with enough time to appropriately care about my duties. Especially the stony road we're having ahead with the transition of the project to the Apache Software Foundation will require double efforts, hence it seems to be the right moment to make this cut. I will continue to contribute to OOo as time allows it and also continuing to moderate the mailing lists of the MP. Best regards, Peter -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
On 2 June 2011 16:42, Gozarks goza...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again... and thank you (everyone) for keeping this whole conversation so open and dynamic. As I have been listening, one key question has evolved for me: Where do I fit in? This because, as previously noted, I am not a coder... my expertise is marketing... and I got involved with OOo because I LOVE the applications, am a devout proponent of 'openness' (in comminication, self-governance, etc.), and I genuinely appreciate worthwhile opportunities to contribute what I know in the hopes of somehow 'making the world a better place'. That said, and Bernhard having raised the topic of OOo's large area of non-coding community, in context of Simon's encouragement that non-coders who feel they have been significant conributors to OOo should feel welcome to request inclusion in the Apache incubator project, please allow me to share the following: For starters, I do not consider myself a 'significant contributor' to OOo, however (and I say this with utmost respect), it seems to me that this is more of a 'glitch' (or a 'bug' if you will) in 'the management system' that has been operational in OOo. About which I rush to add that I do not see this as the 'fault' of any one person or group of people but more like a natural and (to some degree) necessary part of the process of organizational growth and community development, that may (once identified) be corrected and improved... much the same way y'all engineer 'patches' to fix bugs in programs. In this regard I would respectfully suggest that the 'bug' I see is that while OOo has a comprehensive 'marketing' community, as I am aware of things the vast majority of the folks who are involved with and make critical decisions about such projects as graphic design, news release authoring, website design (user interface) and the development of promotional strategy are not and have never worked as professionals in any of these fields. That is, as I am aware (and please correct me if I am wrong) most of the folks who are doing this 'marketing' work have vast professional expertise in coding and the complexities of sophisticated technological engineering, yet they are 'trying' to do a job (marketing) which requires an equally sophisticated yet substantively different set of 'complex engineering skills' and thus things which should (in terms of state-of-the-art marketing practice) be routinely done are unknown, trivialized or overlooked. And again respectfully, I find this especially true in terms of the OOo marketing community's (lack of?) a comprehensive plan to 'outreach' to the non-coding 'end users' of the programs. That is, every nuance of marketing (promotional materials, conferences, news releases) that I have been aware of over these past several years has been dedicated to and focused on 'coders'... which I personally see as a major glitch because it represents to me a 'disconnect' between the folks who are 'creating the tool' and the folks who are 'using the tool' to do work... (even though ALL of you use OOo 'to do work', respectfully, none of us are 'typical end users'. And my major concern about this is that over the long haul the 'product' will no longer 'meet the needs' of the typical consumer. But then hey, like I said, I do not see myself as a significant contributer to OOo. Just offering a personal perspective... (((hugs))) ~Christine Hi Christine, I think it is more complicated. John Mcreesh constructed a very detailed marketing plan - some would say overly so. Some marketing volunteers were technically savvy but by no means all. Some had qualifications/experience in marketing others none. Some marketing initiatives worked well with no budgets others didn't. I understand the point that over-focus on code can lose sight of the fact that the code is not much use if no-one uses it. My own quest has been to try and find a sustainable business model that could generate resources for marketing because at the time there was resource from Sun for developers but not for marketing. Things change. Under Apache I don't see that the situation for resources for marketing will be a lot different. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: Why TDF should be the place for one united Community
On 26 May 2011 15:18, Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar wrote: El 26/05/11 13:09, Charles-H. Schulz escribió: But it's perhaps not very important at that stage. +1 I'm sorry by mistake the focus. Is better build the new idea for OOo comunity. :-) How about gaining agreement on governance. That is really the most significant issue since if it can be agreed most other things will fall into place. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: Why TDF should be the place for one united Community
On 26 May 2011 17:39, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, Le Thu, 26 May 2011 15:32:22 +0100, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com a écrit : On 26 May 2011 15:18, Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar wrote: El 26/05/11 13:09, Charles-H. Schulz escribió: But it's perhaps not very important at that stage. +1 I'm sorry by mistake the focus. Is better build the new idea for OOo comunity. :-) How about gaining agreement on governance. That is really the most significant issue since if it can be agreed most other things will fall into place. That does make sense, but what do you specifically mean by an agreement on governance? If OOo and LO are to come together under one set of governance, the constitution/rules will have to be agreed. Here are some examples NOT specific suggestions, simply to illustrate the point. 1. TDF governance is adopted by all - in that case OOo community Council etc is absorbed into TDF 2. OOo CC is adopted by all - in that case TDF is absorbed into OOo CC 3. A new organisation is created with a new constitution and governance for both communities 4. Either governance is modified in some way to take account of the other 5. Each remains separate but agrees to cooperate in a sort of coalition. Once community and project governance is resolved the duly elected officers in consultation with the community can make decisions about eg development priorities use of names etc. I think until there is agreement on governance with delegated power to the governing body, there will always be the potential for acrimonious disagreement about every individual issue. -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: Why TDF should be the place for one united Community
1. TDF governance is adopted by all - in that case OOo community Council etc is absorbed into TDF 2. OOo CC is adopted by all - in that case TDF is absorbed into OOo CC 3. A new organisation is created with a new constitution and governance for both communities 4. Either governance is modified in some way to take account of the other 5. Each remains separate but agrees to cooperate in a sort of coalition. Once community and project governance is resolved the duly elected officers in consultation with the community can make decisions about eg development priorities use of names etc. I think until there is agreement on governance with delegated power to the governing body, there will always be the potential for acrimonious disagreement about every individual issue. I must say you got me confused here. :-) So let me try to address your 5 points, I understand you may be thinking about some more, but anyway that would be food for thought. Also, this is my opinion only, not the one of TDF. 5: this is in fact very feasible. The minimum being: we use ODF, stupid! but tighter cooperation is always good to work on. However the 5 can only work or even be possible if some development force still exists. Which means that the Hamburg engineers would continue to get paid for their work. 4. that would depend what you mean by modified in some way. We would much rather aggregate more contributors from OOo rather than modifying our governance to have one specific OOo representative who is not elected and only nominated by some strange authority. But we do have an Advisory Board, maybe we could work something out there. 3. frankly that would be a waste of time. Sorry to put it bluntly, but the way I always saw us (all of us, here) as one community and two projects. Basically, most of the community went away to create another new project because the first one was plagued by too many issues and uncertainty of the future. Now the former project is in peril, his resources are not being ensured by its sponsor... We created new structure, new processes (sometimes we kept the old ones), precisely to fix the project, while working as one community. 2. :-) 1. I actually have some questions about this one. You're alluding to a simple integration of OOo into TDF. That is very much what already happened, but there are still engineers here (who don't code anymore, I think) and a few people who sticked to OOo (no criticism from my side here). In this case we could think about ways to alleviate concerns from the OOo community but also to communicate about what we could then call unification. So to answer to your argument that we need to sort out governance first and then issues will be handled in due time I think I'm not so much in agreement with you, because I think the OOo project has come to a point where there are various diverging interests on the inside; I would even call them existential interests: there is a very skilled developers' workforce on one hand who might soon be looking for a job, on the other, there are several teams here and there, but mostly users. If you take a look at the size of the LibreOffice project (that's not meant for me to brag) I would actually say that it's got its own momentum now, while this project here is disagregating in its structure (but perhaps not in its ideas). Mixing the two governance would also be not supported by the LibreOffice folks. On the other hand, having some sort of representativity inside, say, TDF's Advisory Board might be a very good thing. So a mixture of 1 +4 +5 could be a good way forward, while not emphasizing too much on governance. I was careful to say in the original post that these were illustrative examples, not specific suggestions or recommendations. There are probably other possibilities too. Your reply is exactly why agreement (or disagreement) on governance is required. Without it there will be constant uncertainty and a lot of wasted energy and that is one thing neither group can really afford. btw, I'm speaking here as a neutral. I'm not trying to persuade anyone of any specific governance - the examples I produced were deliberately balanced in that respect. best, Charles. -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools
[marketing-dev] Re: ping
One thing that can benefit TDF is the OpenOffice.org brand. It is much more widely known so simply on that one issue to would be best to bury differences and work together to optimise all the possible resources in a single direction. (This is marketing so appreciation of the importance of building brand strength and how long that takes will no doubt be appreciated) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: New strategies for OO (new subject)
maybe you are asking them the wrong questions? Making the wrong sales proposals? I do think it is compelling that we work with SMBs; but I also think it is absolutely necessary that a) the community of OOo and LO reunite and reconcile, so that we can be strongly stepping into the future; Strongly agree with that. and b) that IBM, Red Hat, Canonical, and even Google (as well as of course Novell/Attachmate) collaborate under the same roof to share the immense costs of making this thing they all benefit from and which even more will add to. I'd say bring them together to develop a sustainable commercially viable proposition and don't get bogged down in emotion like not for profit. Do what will work. Machiavelli had some good points :-) Just my 5 cents. Let's try make OpenOffice -together with LO if possible- the most used office suite. It would be really a pitty to stop now. Actually, it would be a tragedy. So let's devise a business plan that will work. Just back to my Paris hotel room after a lot of beers, red wine and Calvados so apologies if any of this is not as I intended ;-) Ramon Cheers Louis Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: :-) I am. My strategies are, obviously, to invoke the established stakeholders—IBM, Red Hat, to name but two, but also Google—in the gambit. But the issue is even more interesting than money alone. Much of the secret of OOo's sauce lies not in the recipe, which is open, but in the makers, who are like chefs the world round, only more so. And with Oracle's renunciation, they are obviously affected. How, it's not clear. But if I were in the team, I'd be no doubt updating my résumé—and be fending off hot solicitations. In short, time is of the essence. LibreOffice, TDF, do not have the full resources to continue, let alone advance OOo. They can differentiate it, which is to be lauded, but they have their own uncertainties. They do not appeal, too, to enterprises; we do. Enterprises can be public sector or private. They have the same concerns: reliability, predictability, stability, and super-good QA. That all takes money not just in the present but in the future. So, these are not trivial points. I've been working sub rosa because that's the way this is done. And even so, I've been pretty much shut out of a lot of discourse. Oracle has been absolutely mum about OOo's copyright and development future, though I've asked. They are surely in talks with the usual suspects, at least, I hope so. But the discussions are hardly including the OOo community—not me, at least, and not really any I know involved with OOo. What I'll do is what I promised earlier: write an open letter to Edward Screven, the Oracle VP who issued the announcement 15 April. And I also would very much appreciate it, and I think the entire OOo community would, too, if IBM and other stakeholders, such as Google and Red Hat execcs-I'll spare names—would engage the community representatives, in the plural or even singular, to proceed. What counts here is not my presence or participation per se, that's irrelevant and immaterial, but the continuation of OOo as that set of tools enterprises and users the world round expect to be there, as a community thing is. So, we are doing things. And I just wish I could speak more, or write more on this. I also wish I had more to speak, write, say. But you see the issues. They are not secret, they are not hard to comprehend, they are not hard to digest. We need not just the funds but the chefs, and we need not jus to continue status quo—that did not work, obviously—but to re-do things, re-set things, improve: no one liked the old logistics of power, all wanted change. This is our opportunity, and let's begin with the reconciliation, with the stakeholders, so that we can continue working on this. And one more point: OOo makes money. It makes money not just for the ecosystem stakeholders, like Ian, Jean, and many many others, including me, now—but for the stakeholders, in much the same way that an Eclipse like platform or Apache does. By providing the source technology that creates new markets. -louis On 2011-05-18, at 19:21 , Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-19, Ian Lynch wrote: if we need 10m per year lets work out strategies to generate it. +1 --Jean -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received
[marketing-dev] Re: ping
On 18 May 2011 23:38, Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a simple logical point of view. Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any harm. Maybe this is already happening? Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of reconciliation. To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by the larger community. What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single company can probably provide. Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of legacy. Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a community effort, still needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and satisfy the most demanding expectations. Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I can, as energetically as I can, to the world. I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of doubts; but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there are to the most people. This is good to hear, and if we need 10m per year lets work out strategies to generate it. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: ping
I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a simple logical point of view. Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any harm. Maybe this is already happening? On 13 May 2011 03:40, Gozarks goza...@gmail.com wrote: Clarification please, re: license, copyright, resources... who owns all this stuff now? Thanks, ~Christine On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: I would love for there to be clarity. I am not alone. The burden of providing that clarification, however, does not rest with us who have no knowledge but on those who do. The areas where some clarity would be useful (to put it mildly) include: license, ownership of copyright, developer resources, and so on and so forth. It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology have that much greater insight. They do not. They may have more activity, but absent the energy of production, there is no production of energy. Louis On 2011-05-12, at 22:17 , Peter Junge wrote: On 12.05.2011 10:01, Andy Brown wrote: Peter Junge wrote: pong On 05/11/2011 09:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: ping -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org Is this what we have been reduced to? Maybe that's one of the sad conclusion. A bit more clarity about the future could certainly help ... Peter -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: Interesting News
On 16 April 2011 04:34, Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: All, As others have noted… well, this is interesting news.* And it comes as news, indeed. It also comes unattached with any actual explication as to what it means in practice. And there are many questions, and I've asked my former colleagues some of them. The most obvious being, of course, Will Oracle contribute code to the development of OpenOffice.org as it has in the past? Right now, Oracle does virtually all of the coding for OpenOffice.org. The resulting code is then worked on by competing projects—either to make it more compatible with Microsoft Office, or to make it work with established frameworks, or whatever. As of now, the code is mature and powerful; it is being used by tens of millions and being adopted by even more every year. I am not concerned about the present, for OpenOffice.org addresses present needs more than adequately. I am, however, really interested in seeing what the future brings. And for that, I think we, the OpenOffice.org community, need to be bold. I envision a future where the tools for intellectual production are free, use open standards that can be widely implemented, and that are not limited to this or that environment but freely adaptable to a range of devices, mobile or not. The anchor here is the ODF, the format that transcends any particular implementation but which is only fully realized by the most comprehensive, OpenOffice.org. And the tools, such as those making up OpenOffice.org, to satisfy my vision, and the vision of the community, as I understand it, must be free and open. But from a practical point of view there needs to be some sort of resource generator to sustain development. If Oracle withdraws all the development resource it makes it far more difficult for these aspirations to be realised. We have concrete evidence that there is demand for OpenOffice.org certification. We have the infrastructure to support it and we know that the potential income to the community could easily be in the 10s of millions of dollars. Question is how to make it most likely that that potential can be realised? Louis Suarez-Potts, PhD Community Manager Chair, Community Council OpenOffice.org Blog: http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/ -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: Budget for Hirano
On 18 March 2011 05:17, Peter Junge p...@openoffice.org wrote: Kazunari-san, I've been reading your blog and now I want to get your recommendation which organization to donate to. Some of the large international relief organizations are not too effective because their rate of administrative expenses is bad. Would be great to know an organization who ensures that the donations reach the victims quick and directly. Same for me. Our best wishes to you Kazunari-san Best regards, Peter On 03/17/2011 02:03 PM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi all, I and my families are OK. But very serious situation is going on. Please see my blog. http://openoffice.exblog.jp/ We need your help. Thanks, khirano PS: I have to go out now and make a long line to get gas and fuel for my heater and my car. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Alexandro, Thanks for posting this. I got no reply from khirano by mail. Well, let's say that in all the mess and tragedy, it is relative good news from him at least. Feeling sad, Cor Alexandro Colorado wrote (16-03-11 05:41) Hi I would like to support a donation for Hirano Kazunari, a well known contributor of the OOo JA organization and ex community council member who has served for this community for many years. I just got an email about his condition, even if his city was not on the most dangerous area, he did live close there, and at the moment he is finding himself struggling since his house and the school where he teaches have been very affected by this condition. We at the ES community are starting collecting some money to send him but we already know it won't be enough. I encourage the rest of the OOo community to do the same. I think this is one of the things that no matter the condition we should step up to the situation and help out a brother in need. His blog already have some posts on how to better send him the money. You can find more information at his blog on what is needed under Personal: http://openoffice.exblog.jp/ -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
Re: [marketing] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port
On 19 February 2011 07:41, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi, For your information : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=117017 Linux ARM is extremely promising for the future, and imho it worth to improve it asap. Why is MS porting Windows to ARM? - There is at least a significant chance that as mobile technologies move up into the desktop and laptop space, ARM designs will largely displace x86 as the standard for general purpose computing. ARM is licensed to multiple manufacturers and is significantly more efficient in terms of energy needed per software transaction. ARM core designs integrate well with other chip designs eg Nvidia graphics etc. and are low cost to manufacture. Multiple ARM cores will fit on small bits of silicon. The ARM designers had very little money so they built something simple and efficient. This gives it competitive advantage over x86 particularly but not only in mobile markets. Unless Intel license Atom designs to other manufacturers and improve those designs quite a lot, they are not going to compete in this market in the longer term. Interesting times ahead. Thanks, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://education.openoffice.org Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [marketing] OOO 3.3
On 31 January 2011 15:24, Rev JP Webb (Work) jp.w...@btinternet.com wrote: To whom it may concern I used openoffice 3.0 but I seriously need a proper MS publisher replacement. Draw does not cut the mustard and Scribus is not user friendly. Try Inkscape. For flyers, leaflets etc - I did the colour covers for our assessors handbook in it. Personally I would much rather use Inkscape to do the covers and Writer for the text inside than use a DTP program of any type. You have to learn how to use Inkscape and GIMP together to get the best of them but for graphics, labels etc I can't think of much they can't do pretty efficiently. If you want turnkey wizards for layouts you are going to be disappointed but then again, I would always want a one off individual layout rather than one which screamed - he did this in Publisher! If you are publishing colour magazines with irregular text flow around graphic objects on many paged multi-column documents then you probably need something like Quark Express not MS Publisher in any case. Then you are into a lot of Euros ;-). Until the open source movement comes up with something comparable to publisher I am afraid I will have to stick with Microsoft (as do many others I know who need a simple but effective dtp application). Well it all depends on whether someone with the skills and inclination or the funds agrees with you. Personally it doesn't bother me because I can do all I need for my company using existing tools. What you need is to get all those that have a need to get together and do something about it. I don't see it as being a high priority for the OOo community because there are many other things that are more important and there are limited resources. Yours Paul Rev Paul Webb East Molesey Surrey KT8 9DU -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [marketing] training oppertunities
On 2 January 2011 10:53, Amal Senerath amalsenar...@yahoo.com wrote: hi, I am Amal Senarath from Sri Lanka, work as a IT lecturer /trainer /consultant including Microsoft office. but because of third licence software most of the companies are struggling. so i would like to train the people for open office and introduce it to some companies. please assist me. IT WILL BE THE END OF MICROSOFT OFFICE IN SRI LANAK. PLEASE DO YOU HAVE ANY CERTIFIED COURSES FOR THE OPEN OFFICE We do have qualifications based on the UK National Vocational Qualification, the ITQ. This fits to OOo directly now. We have a meeting in Berlin in 4 weeks time to decide a strategy for further developing the certification of OOo. We have projects in Malaysia and Kenya as well as across Europe. If you need more information perhaps contact me off list. Amal Senarath NCC-UK, MBCS, MBA-ITS,ICDL -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
[marketing] Digital Inclusion
A bit off topic perhaps, but I drafted a unit on Digital Inclusion at the request of e-skills http://theingots.org/community/Digital_Inclusion. (e-skills is the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT)The idea is to relate open source, and open systems to inclusion. The unit has the potential to be accepted in the ITQ framework for apprenticeships etc referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. It would probably be useful before the next Awarding Body Forum meeting of e-skills to have some feedback from this and other Open Source groups so I can pass that back. A couple of simple questions. Is a unit like this needed to raise awareness and understanding of the growing importance of open systems and the relationship with equal opportunities and inclusion legislation? What modifications (if any) need to be made? If you can spare a bit of time to look at the unit and e-mail me a brief answer to each of the questions it would be a big help. Thanks. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [marketing] Linux.conf.au ?
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 23:02 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: The German PrOOo-Box and PortableApps wanted to use the new logo, but haven't been granted for months (part of the present discussion on d...@de.ooo) To be fair, I asked Louis about using the OpenOffice.org name on certificates for the certification project and got a reply back from Oracle within a day. This is not the serviceable policy OpenOffice.org should use to encourage people to promote our community and product. So I have to repeat the part you didn't comment: I'd propose to ask for approval for any artwork with the OpenOffice.org logo or the Gull orb. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Community - who and where are we? [was: Logo for 10th...]
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:16 PM, ian.ly...@theingots.org wrote: Op 9-10-2010 2:15, Bernhard Dippold schreef: It represents all community members and therefore it represents the community as a whole. The Community Council was elected to, and is supposed to, represent the community. It does not necessarily follow that it represents the community. That gets us into democratic representation. Systems of democracy require free elections so that if the CC is not reflecting the community perspective it can be voted out and a new committee established. Most democratic systems have their flaws but mostly it's a matter of some accountability is better than none. One of the things that should be done The problem of imitating 'real life' in electronic life is that these models are forced and usually creates big issues. Remember BoB trying to imitate a human habitat? I'm not sure what BoB is. Electronic life is real life. It's just a bunch of people sharing stuff using technology. Decisions and relationships are human, the technology just has the capability of influencing them eg falme wars :-) However the human habitat is a bit odd when it comes to structures of government, since governents are very anti-technology and very human prone to errors we fail imitating a similar structure to rule our community and that is our key issue. I think we are confusing government and governance here. Democracy is not simply related to national governments, clubs, societies and even businesses run on democratic lines. What we are talking about is democratic governance of the community - well a dictator could take over but probably the community wouldn't cooperate. This is to an extent the situation with Oracle. People can always vote with their feet (Or log off ;-) ) Things get delayed, miss explained or missunderstand from humanerror, I would think that these government models are not adecuated to our current systems. We could automate decision making or interaction if we have things that help us to achieve this leaving most things to software as opposed to human. Sure the mechanism can vary. But in the end democracy comes from the Greek demos - by the people and Krateo - rule. Exactly how that is implemented will vary. regards in the light of the new Foundation should be a review of the constitution and due process in consultation with the community with a vote on a new system of management with all members re-standing for election on that manifesto. This also raises the issue of who is eligible to vote. Indeed it raises the question of whether a FOSS project can be run democratically. I would like to think so but maybe I'm deluded :-). -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Community - who and where are we? [was: Logo for 10th...]
Hi Alex, all Hi Bernhard, Congratulations on a very good analysis. OOo has needed a foundation from the outset. It was inevitable, only the timing has been uncertain. If Oracle didn't know this they didn't do proper due diligence. The next question is how to optimise the resources available to the foundation so that it is not only sustainable but becomes the definitive focus for the development of open source office productivity tools. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 12:08 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, huh ? I don't understand how this logo can be considered as balanced, The DocumentFoundation has it's own product, and this is not OpenOffice.org, (/me is thinking of a similar campaign for say, Macs, prepared for the future by the independent and consumer driven Bung company ;-)) +1 So does this mean Oracle is not very happy with the Document Foundation? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote: An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive dialog open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives. What are the different objectives of the two projects in your view Martin? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 23:19 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Think about this fact: People who have been working with you guys for 10 years or who generally have contributed their best days, their leisure time, their jobs, to build OOo with you, well, these people, the whole community, is moving away. That's not laughable at all, It's rather surprising it took this long really. Some of us saw this probability a number of years ago. This project has needed a foundation from day 1. It was really inevitable. Sun should have grasped that nettle. Oracle can still do it. Its an interesting premise that if anyone is a member of the LibreOffice community they are automatically excluded from the OOo community. I remember members of the MS Office user community being members of this list and getting reasonable treatment. (ok some heated debates but generally civilised). Many people use both MSO and OOo so that is a bit of a snag. I use OOo throughout my business - I might well end up using LibreOffice too if there are development differences. We are currently accrediting OpenOffice.org certificates, so am I excluded because I don't work for Oracle or because I might contribute at LibreOffice in some way? All a bit confusing really. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] status of certification and training
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:21 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, last week, I had a phone call with Mike and Paul from ALISON - some of you may remember Mike very well from the talk he held at OOoCon 2009 in Orvieto. They were (and are) interested in supporting and joining our efforts for certification and training, and will come up with a more detailed proposal. They have the required framework as well as lots of expertise in their area. Many of you know that I'm not only buried in work :-) but also that certification and training is not my area of working. I know Mike has been in contact with Alexandro, and probably Louis, and we all know that the certification issue has been idling around for a very long time. Can someone bring me up to date on what's happening in that area currently? Is there already a group working on it that likes to get in touch with ALISON? There is a group in the certification project that includes Alexandro, Evan, myself, Gabriel Gurley and Manfred Reiter. We have already put the unit assessment criteria on the project Wiki and we applied for an EU grant to support development. Unfortunately that was not successful but from the feedback it looks like we can fix that for next year. (We have been successful in two other similar applications in other areas) I have approval from the UK Sector Skills Council to develop a version of the ITQ national vocational qualification for IT Users to fit OOo - It will be called Award in IT User Skills (Openoffice.org) and be accredited in the UK National Qualifications framework. This framework is one of the first to be referenced to the European Qualifications framework so that employers throughout Europe will recognise its value. Once we do this in the UK, we will apply again for a transfer of innovation grant to transfer this to other EU partner countries and should be able to get a grant of around 300,000 Euros to pay for training, travel etc. In addition to the EU links, we have established contacts in Malaysia with a joint project with UPSI, the biggest teacher training university there. We have a pilot in Kenya, and established links in USA through the National Center for Open Source in Education, South Africa and India. Our target is to have the qualification fully accredited through the UK government regulators by January, then we can start training assessors and apply for a supporting transfer of innovation grant to support and accelerate that work next year. We need to agree with the community how to provide revenue to the project from accredited certification. In the UK, courses leading to accredited qualifications are funded those that are not aren't so it is important to be accredited. I'm sure that details on certification and training have to be determined -- I'm all for having things in community hands instead of at a single corporation -- but I guess that having some external support and input is highly welcome. I'm currently talking to a large UK exam board with a 200 million Euro turnover. If this works out they are an exempted charity focused on education so there will be no need to worry about single corporations. Let me know if you are involved or interested. Thanks, Florian -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OOo 5.0: Some ideas
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:38 PM, luiz luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Can you write some words about your lecture on OOo 5.0 Ideas? Our objective is to publish them on special edition of BrOffice.org Magazine. The deadline is 19/09. I was during the event and aside from what Charles can comment on this. The conversation basically went to think ahead on the way people use OOo. To not think in few 'catch up' features for OOo but to actually innovate and have a PDF moment comparing to the year OOo integrated the export to PDF in OOo. We need to do things that the competition haven't thought about doing instead of just following trends. The future is mobile computing and seamless web integration. OOo lite to run on Android handsets would be a killer, especially if it also enabled seamless publishing of HTML5 documents. He did mentioned areas of innovation like mobile, cloud (but a different cloud), focus on the integration and also talk about how we can rethink some of the components like OpenOffice.org Web which is a dead module. Change from an HTML editor and think more of a information processor, including authoring of things that you use in web like Blogs, etc. There was some input from Lars and Dimitri (I think) as well at the end of the presentation. Best Regards, Luiz Oliveira PS: We have the file (odp) and summary of your presentation at OOoCon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 18:15 -0300, Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote: We don't need to fork that right now, Agreed but we should invest more on attracting investments. That will make it easy if we have to fork in the future and will help the project, anyway. That is what I have been saying for about 5 years. It also keeps Oracle honest because if they know there is a chance of a fork that is credible they are less likely to do evil things. I believe that some players will focus on online office suites and the other won't help OOo if it's required to sign JCA/SCA. Google, IBM, Novel both contribute to OOo, but each one could expend ten times more, if that would benefite them. So find ways the community can amplify the benefit and sell the idea to them. My field is certification and I'm in serious talks with a large education charity (turnover about 150m Euros per year) that is also a specialist in certification. If we can work out the right business plan, global certification of OOo could fund the entire project - Oracle should be interested in that too. ICDL certificated 9 million people in 43 countries last year. The UK NHS alone spends £1m a year on ECDL certification. There are 7 million children in UK schools that are a potential target and that could be extended to any country. ECDL is effectively MS Office certification although they have some support for OOo too. Point is they have dated methods designed for 15 years ago and their products are prohibitively expensive in developing countries. We designed our system to be a disruptive innovation in the field, globally scalable using the techniques of the web and social networking. We target different markets where there is volume and we can charge much lower fees. We can train suitably experienced community members as assessors so we can even enable those that want to to build their own businesses around OOo. We should focus on certification, donations, etc., as ways of making it easier to maintain the project without depending on some big player. The big question is how to do it. It needs coordination and that needs resources too. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 14:24 +0530, Vikram Gaur wrote: Hi All, Community should have another derivative with all features and compatibilities The community needs the resources to support and maintain a code base that is complex and difficult to develop and maintain. That is the reality. There has been no evidence so far that there are the resources to do this outside a large company such as Sun or Oracle. Until the community finds a way of generating sufficient resources to maintain a fork that is sustainable long term and can compete with the Oracle version and releases, any attempt at a fork will at best generate a small niche version that is to all intents and purposes identical to the Oracle version. That is why several years ago I proposed finding ways of providing an income that could support development without having to raise money selling licenses and make the community less dependent on Sun. It needs a business that can raise at least a few million Euros a year. Developing an OOo foundation that could do this should not be impossible but it will still require a lot of initial unpaid hard work to start with. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] New Member: George Sawyer
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 11:03 -0500, George J. Sawyer III wrote: Greetings, I was asked by Peter to write up an introduction to the group. I have been in the IT training and certification industry for over 10 years and currently own two sister companies (described below). I am a frequent presenter at conferences and chambers of commerce. I also serve as a subject matter expert (SME) for a number of certification products. My bio page is available here: http://www.sawyertraining.com/staff/GJS.htm Sawyer Training is focused on IT training primarily to the end user on platforms such as Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite, and topics such as web design. Our client base covers corporate and government agencies as well as individuals. Sawyer Technologies is focused on providing comprehensive technology services to small-medium business (SMB) as a managed service. We have a specialty in Open Source solutions and offer hosted solutions and customized application development in products such as Zimbra, OFBiz, SugarCRM, and OpenOffice.org. As a trainer and CEO of a company which sells Open Source solutions I am keenly interested in the development and promotion of products such as OOo. I'm looking forward to participating and welcome your ideas and discussions. You might be interested in the OOo certification project. We should hear at the end of this month whether an EU grant application is successful and we will then develop OOo certification to the standards defined by the UK National occupational Standards for IT Users referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. The certification will be based on assessing competence in the work place rather than by an exam using accredited assessors from the community. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: compare import export filters, ODT, DOC, WP, OO etc
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 16:17 +0300, Lars Nooden wrote: On 6/23/10 4:01 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote: ... The quality of the filters in general, it think are very much an topic of marketing, since they are the central part of the OO adoption. Not really. There was never 100% fidelity between MS Office versions nor even between the same version on different machines. Anyway, the world has moved on from closed, proprietary office formats. Not fast enough! We still can't be complacent over the marketing implications of not being confident in good quality imports. The problems with some government documents is a lot more severe than any differences between versions of MS Office. The old documents will go away through attrition, but the sooner people stop making them, the sooner the overall problem goes away. But that is very wishful thinking in the short term. I should think by the time that happens we'll all have moved to the cloud and desktop apps will be irrelevant. Nothing should be done that should even appear to encourage further use of legacy formats -- if the goal is to further market share OpenOffice.org and other ODF-based suites. OpenOffice.org can be installed parallel to any pre-existing legacy applications as the old apps and old documents are phased out. Perhaps that fact ought to be made more widely known. \ That is not going to happen in a large government department where the users have absolutely no say in what gets installed on the network. On balance the better the filters, the more confidence there will be to try using OOo. If there were no MS Word filters it would have been impossible for our company to migrate to Open Source. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o, Terada-san
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 01:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Starting to pay individual work is a real danger we should be careful of. Agreed but... Mozilla is quite hard to compare with us. I know many of the Mozilla folks, and they are in a much more luxury situation than we are. The question is why? What is it about Mozilla that is different from OOo? Sorry for being the bad guy in here, but spending money on work time for volunteers in my opinion puts us at a very big risk. A risk we should not take. Question is how to define what is volunteer work and what is not. Oracle pay people for doing work of the same type that volunteers do. The real issue is that Oracle provides the money so they can choose how to spend it. It is certainly more difficult for general money under the control of team OOo or the CC to be spent on work time without causing problems - in fact there are problems on travel expenses because some people get them covered and some don't. One way to pay volunteers for work would be for a group of volunteers to raise money eg through an EU grant or other enterprise and use it to target specific parts of the project. That is really no different from Oracle paying the engineers or Louis. Let's see what others say. What I'm saying is that the principle of paying some people and not others is already set, the issue is more about the mechanism for payment and the priority and methods for raising funds and who controls them than it is the principle. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o, Terada-san
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 12:50 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Ian, Ian wrote on 2010-06-20 09.34: Mozilla is quite hard to compare with us. I know many of the Mozilla folks, and they are in a much more luxury situation than we are. The question is why? What is it about Mozilla that is different from OOo? the difference is that Mozilla 1. has a foundation, and 2. this foundation has millions of dollars to spend So why has an OOo foundation never been set up? If one had been set up 10 years ago maybe we would have millions of dollars to spend. If started now maybe in 10 years we won't be having the same conversation ;-) But really that is down to the CC as I can't see many individuals having the authority, motivation or resources to do it on their own. This is somehow different to what we have. Our community budget is limited, and Oracle is not an OpenOffice.org foundation, but a company. The difference is that OpenOffice.org (not Oracle!) has no offices worldwide, does not employ people. Believe me, the difference is huge, and things are hardly comparable. I understand the difference, what I don't understand is why in the last 10 years nothing has ever been done about it. (actually I think I do understand it - lack of an enterprise culture and active discouragement from Sun at the time) After all a foundation has been discussed many times in the past. Just nothing ever happens. My own experience is one of having been actively discouraged from entrepreneurial activity which is why I am far less active in the OOo community now than in the past. I'd rather build a business outside the politics and bureaucracy. At least I don't know about any job offers the OpenOffice.org community (again, not Oracle, as you compare to Mozilla) has. If I missed that, and there's a site from an OpenOffice.org foundation offering a job with a decent team, that would help some marketing folks doing their tasks all day long with being paid for it, please, let me know, I'd surely be interested. ;-) I'm sure there isn't which is why I emphasise that Oracle puts money into developing code and some volunteers do it for free. Oracle can choose where it puts its resources in the same way as any individual, just on a bigger scale. Oracle is like one big collective individual in the community in terms of being a community member. We should not expect Oracle to pay volunteers any more than we would expect one volunteer to pay another. Question is how to define what is volunteer work and what is not. Oracle pay people for doing work of the same type that volunteers do. The real issue is that Oracle provides the money so they can choose how to spend it. It is certainly more difficult for general money under the control of team OOo or the CC to be spent on work time without causing problems - in fact there are problems on travel expenses because some people get them covered and some don't. I'm all for covering (valid) expenses, which is different from paying for work. One covers expenses, the other pays for work time. Yes but the point is that some people get expenses approved for some things while others will get them turned down. (Rightly so) So in principle some people get expenses and some people don't and that could be for very similar events. Some people commit their own money - personally I have spent thousands of Euro promoting OOo and I know others that have done so too. It isn't a problem for me, I'm just saying that in principle decisions are already made about who gets paid expenses and who does not. It's bound to be the case with a finite budget. The problem is: When we pay for work time, where to start? Who to pay? I can name you dozens of people contributing to OpenOffice.org for years, spending thousands of hours, who are not paid. Why then shall we pay someone who did a new starting page for one project, and others who contribute regularly are left behind? See above, I'm not saying it is not a problem or commenting on that particular case, I'm saying in principle it happens already and a better solution is to look at ways of increasing revenue to enable more people to get paid and ways in which funds can be distributed to those doing critically important work that need them. I'd rather focus on getting more resource in and how it can be prioritised than constantly worrying that there is no resource. If we started to pay people for work time, we need to do it equally, and for that, we don't have the money. One way to pay volunteers for work would be for a group of volunteers to raise money eg through an EU grant or other enterprise and use it to target specific parts of the project. That is really no different from Oracle paying the engineers or Louis. The difference between us and Oracle is, is that Oracle people are contracted, we are volunteers. Oracle as a company is effectively a volunteer. It puts money into OOo
Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o, Terada-san
the resource on X. Sure, spending wisely makes sense. But again, the difference for me is if we fund expenses, or if we pay worktime. If we start to pay people per working hours, we actually employ them, and then we are not a volunteer project anymore. Probably paying people per working hour is not a good idea anyway. Better to pay for outcomes rather than process. We of course can discuss some more attractive options, and maybe some small fee per day (let's say 20 €) in addition to the actual travel expenses, but we cannot really pay people the money they would get in a contracted job. I'd agree that donations are not likely, but consider whether it might be better to invest 1.000 Euros in generating a further 1.000 Euros or just spending the first 1.000 and hoping someone will donate more. How will you measure that? I apply for a Key Activities ICT transversal grant from Brussels for 500,000 Euros. Part of the requirement is to provide sustainability and impact. I use 50.000 Euros to set up an OOo training provider for two or three large cities that are migrating and the business plan shows this will make 50.000 Euros a year. I have just made 50.000 Euros produce not just 50.000 Euros but that much every year. Of course we probably need 50.000 into marketing and publicity development so that pays for a lot of presence at Cebit etc. And that includes daily rates. To be honest, I just raise these issues occasionally to see if anything has changed. I don't think that there has ever been the right enterprise culture in OOo to really capitalise on the potential of the product. For a global project of this size there really should be scope to generate millions of Euros per year. I share your thoughts, and believe me, I was much happier if we had more options. My thoughts do not mean we should stop investigating those options, but my thoughts mean we should be careful on how to spend our current ressources. The most valuable resource is people's time. To me investing that in making substantial amounts more money than any individual could get paid is a very good option ;-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o, Terada-san
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 20:06 +0800, Peter Junge wrote: I think Ian's idea is to top-up OOo community budgets with fundings from the EU. That would indeed be great. I'm not an expert on that but AFAIK publicly funded projects usually include temporary, sometimes part time, employment options. Hi Peter, Normally an EU project pays 75% of the employment costs of people in the following categories - Manager, Researcher, Technical, Admin. with a maximum daily rate in each depending on the country. eg in Bulgaria it is 79, 71, 55, 37 Euros in Spain 295, 265, 204, 143 Higher in the UK and Germany. 75% just means that you demonstrate you did 100 days and got paid by the grant for 75 of them. Up to 30% of the project can be subcontracted although in practice its usually a lot less. Subcontracts up to 12000 Euros do not need to be tendered. Typically subcontracts are used for translations, professional consultancy and such like. This is why it is difficult to delegate work from a project to just anyone in the community. You have to say at the application stage who is getting paid for what and how much budget goes to each partner. There is some flexibility though through subcontracting. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o, Terada-san
On 2010-06-17, at 10:55 , Cor Nouws wrote: There will be some draft for funding approval guidelines soon (..). So I think that is a good moment to look at details: what can reasonably be considered useful to fund. of course. for anything like this, careful scrutiny and strong argument is requisite. It might be worth noting that the EU is extending projects to include countries outside Europe and there are specific priorities for languages. It might well be worth seeing if grants are available for translations. We currently have an application for 300,000 Euros to support OOo certification submitted and we will find out the result at the end of July. Even if it is not successful we can simply apply again next year and keep going until it is. Our current project is tangentially beneficial to OOo because it encourages the use of Open Systems and Open Source general productivity tools. If anyone has 10-15 minutes to spare please contribute to our research at http://www.edunetbg.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=39256lang=en%20%3E Please copy the link to any lists/networks where you think there might be interest. Thanks. Ian Regards, Cor louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] I offer some links with you and my company. Terrabyte.
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 20:12 -0300, Agustin A. Fernandez wrote: Hello, my name is Agustín Fernández son Alexander, owner of the company TerraByte. I communicate with you in order to bring some relation to my business and yours, you can install your software on our computers. We discussed it with you because apart from having LGPL license, have a quality software. I wanted to bring some matter of business with Microsoft for its Office software, but think about the costs and fix it a crime to pay their licenses. We enter into a negosio conrespecto to Windows and not Linux. wait a reply from this e-mail greeting. Hi, You are free and indeed encouraged to install OpenOffice.org on your computers. (Windows, Linux or Macs, no problem with any type of computer) It would be nice if you could keep us informed of how things progress. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] OOo conversion
One of our INGOT schools told my colleague that they have now ditched MSO in favour of OOo. This is a school for children with learning difficulties and has no specialist IT staff just generalist teachers. After learning to support the INGOT certificates at Bronze and Silver the teacher made the decision to switch. She did not know about OOo or any other Open Source software before joining us about 2 years ago. Just thought you might like to know that the strategy is working even if it has taken time and is still relatively limited in scale. Getting specialist OOo certification going should help accelerate the process. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice is dead
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 18:18 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Varun Mittal varunmitta...@gmail.comwrote: Hi guys Have a look at www.docs.com Microsoft attempt to take on GDocs. Maybe Oracle can also some day feel like taking OO to online version... Maybe you want to email larry ellison then... Maybe we should all e-mail Larry :-) Online productivity tools would surely complement on-line databases -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice is dead
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 22:00 +0200, Gianvittorio wrote: For users who don’t need Office, it’s a rare occasion that Google Docs doesn’t suffice. I use Google's spreadsheet a lot but the WP hardly at all. I'm just as likely to put work in a Drupal page. If it needs printing I use OOo writer. If I need to open .docs sent to me I use OOo Writer. Powerpoint attachments? Impress. And yet for those who need Office, it’s rare that they’re happy with OpenOffice. Except if you run Linux and aren't wanting to pay for cross over office or something. I'm not a very heavy user of OOo - I am currently editing a 120 page manual in Writer though and I'm happy enough with that. Where does that leave OO.org? Our district is fairly rural and there are still plenty of homes with only dial-up or without Internet access entirely. For these families, OpenOffice is a great choice since they rarely have access to academic pricing on Office and can’t get online to access Apps. As reasonable access to the Internet becomes ubiquitous, though, Google Docs or Office Web Apps (even via Facebook) will meet the majority of student and teacher productivity needs. Am I wrong? Am I so dazzled by the pretty lights in Office that I’ve lost sight of the value of OpenOffice? Probably. Since 100 million downloads have occurred its unlikely that you are universally reflecting what many people think - at least enough to keep OOo going for a while. In the longer term probably the web as the platform is right but Google's WP and presentation software have some way to go. The spreadsheet I think is by far the best of those apps. I don’t think I am. The majority of the time, the students and staff I support tend to make use of Google Docs. Same for me. On my Linux machines, it’s rare that I’ll fire up OpenOffice, despite it being a solid choice for desktop productivity. That’s what the Internet is for, right? It's what the internet will do more and more so OOo needs a stratey to get there or eventually it will become irrelevant but not for a few years yet. Because in addition to Google Apps, there is Zoho and Office Web Apps, all of which work quite well. I just don’t see much of a place in mainstream education for OpenOffice anymore. Pre-loaded on laptops and netbooks in developing countries where Internet access is unreliable or non-existent? You bet. But why use OpenOffice when most of your users can work quite well with Apps and licensing costs for Office are low for the small number of users who need a full-blown desktop suite? One reason is because MS Office doesn't run on Linux. Another is because what is a small license fee in the West is a years earnings in some places in Africa. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: Re: [marketing] OpenOffice is dead
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 15:51 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Gianvittorio gianvitto...@zandona.nl wrote: ... and I agree with all of you ... now the question is: should we tell the journalist as well? or should we ignore the journalist? or put out an official response or a private one? I just don't think we should discuss amongst us, but involve also the ones who have lived far too long in a closed world and can't imagine an open one... Well this is an open list, you can just send the link to this conversation. We have grown exponentially ever since the launch of Office Ribbons. So even if most journalist applaud ribbons, it has grow our userbase much more. Also most GDocs people don't use it exclusively, I use GDocs, cuz I like to share with my network documents and do minor editing, but any large document or complex spreadsheet, I do it in OOo. GDocs is just a file repo the way I used it. The main advantage is for collaborative working. I can put a set of strings down a column in a Google spreadsheet and invite colleagues from Europe to put their translations in columns next to it. We can all contribute to updating the budget in one file without worrying about whether it is the latest version etc. But if I want a big complex budget spreadsheet I do it in Calc. I might then upload the final version to share in Google Docs. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [Marketing] Fwd: [FSF] FSF launches free software extension listing for OpenOffice.org
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 10:00 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Ian ian.ly...@theingots.org wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 10:34 -0700, amaloney wrote: FSF should butt out. FSF has a legitimate political view. There is no reason why they should not state and support their goals. OOo is also free to exercise its right to ignore their requests. Sure, the big issue is if OOo is also ignoring it's own members right to ignore or support such requests. Most OOo people I have asked agree to default to free software, and group the proprietary extensions in their own category listing. In a democracy, the Community Council would be the legitimate representatives of the community so it would be mandated to make such decisions on behalf of the community and the community if ignored, could vote for a new Council at election time. That principle only falls down if you think that the Community Council is not democratic. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [Marketing] Fwd: [FSF] FSF launches free software extension listing for OpenOffice.org
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 10:34 -0700, amaloney wrote: FSF should butt out. FSF has a legitimate political view. There is no reason why they should not state and support their goals. OOo is also free to exercise its right to ignore their requests. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Oracle Open Office vs OpenOffice.org
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 00:49 +0200, Ismaël Grammenidis wrote: What I understood from Oracle's FAQ's about Oracle Open Office: StarOffice en StarSuite will no longer be the brand for the commercially supported distribution. Instead it will be replaced by the brand Oracle Open Office and not just Open Office. OOO as opposed to OOo? :-) Since the last one is a registered trademark in certain European countries like Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg. This is why OpenOffice.org uses the .org to make a separation between those two brands. So basically, Oracle Open Office is just StarOffice, the commercial product of OpenOffice.org, but than renamed. Why it releases again a commercial distribution again so short after ditching StarOffice, this raises definitely some questions here. I think it is obvious. Oracle buys Sun, Oracle needs to make money to cover the costs of the acquisition of Sun. They need Oracle brand names to strengthen Oracle not a now defunct brand that signals the dead past. I agree with you, but let's be honest, If you would compare Lotus, NeoOffice (or Oracle OO) with OpenOffice.org branding you will see immediatly which brand looks more professional, and it's certainly not the last one. So those companies want to promote a product with a strong visual identity and create thus an entire new brand. It is also a characteristic of the largest Open Source projects to have a range of branding. Look at GNU/Linux and the number of rebranded distros. OpenOffice.org is redistributed on a similar basis (well with commercial forks so possibly more like BSD). The argument could be that this is a good thing as it prevents a monoculture and promotes competition. To come back on-topic: I think that StarOffice was a much stronger brand than OpenOffice.org I'd question that. In my experience a lot more people have now heard of OOo than StarOffice. SO is probably a stronger brand in certain commercial environments but I should think OOo is much better known to the general world population. Has SO had 100 million downloads? It surprises me that SO is even commercially viable especially if the development costs of OOo are taken into account. Probably if all Sun/Oracle desktops run it as opposed to buying MSO licenses the savings might help tip the balance. But in the end commercial companies have to have products that at least break even (or perhaps do overall fatal damage to a major competitor ;-) ) (and OracleOO), just because of all the trademark problems that occurs at the moment. Like using .org instead of just Open Office and in Brazil they use BrOffice instead of OpenOffice.org. In my personal opinion, not every open source project needs to incorporate the word open in their brand name. If Oracle wants to ditch StarOffice as a commercial brand name, why not use it instead for the open community? Oracle, Novell, Canonical can then just use StarOffice Pro (by company-name) to promote their builds. That way, there is just one brand to maintain and it can create a broader recognition. But again, that's just my personal view. They do it for a reason. Open Source has become fashionable. The word Open strengthens the branding and conveys a desirable property. This provides the evidence that OOo is a stronger brand than StarOffice otherwise why not use StarOffice? Branding is not just about glossy presentation. The fragmentation is already done a long time ago, it's now up to Oracle and the Marketing team to actually consult the entire community including UX and locals to actually try to make this brand strong and make it work (as one). While Oracle is contributing the vast majority of the development resources, they are going to have the last say and they will put their interests first. Of course it could be in their interest to consult and take notice of the community but the political power is heavily stacked towards them until someone has the resources to create a fully independent fork that could realistically compete with Oracle's development team. I don't see much sign of that. I'm not saying that it is possible to please everyone. But creating bleached icons that causes a serious visibility problem, even those for whom having a perfect eye-sight will not solve this. Instead linux distributions like ubuntu will just adapt the entire thing to make sure it integrates with their policy and branding of what is a user-friendly user-experience oriented, both in terms of product and branding. So the entire effort of this branding will be useless if issues like these are not resolved. With kind regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales
Re: [marketing] Survey on OO.org
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 18:27 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: Dear All, As I learned there are few Sri Lankan Banks and Insurgences companies has been migrated to OO.org. But some of their employees told me that they are not 100% satisfied with OO.org. What do you think about doing a survey on OO.org user satisfaction. Can you help me? What help do you need? You can set up an on-line survey quite easily. I suspect quite a lot of dissatisfaction will be that it's not what they were used to with MS Office. My main gripe with OOo is that it is still quite clunky, slow and resource hungry in general use but I think that is not a show stopper for me and is probably very difficult to do much more about. I strongly belive that we can get a good input for OO.org enhancements. Something like: Reason for migration: self/due to company decision etc Who introduce OO.org? When u migrated how long? working filed/education level whether he/she use Sinhala on OO.org What are the great/cool things on OO.org what are missing on Oo.org what we should add whats the reason (if he/she not using oo.org Best Regards, -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] eWEEK’s Top 25 Technologies Of The Decade - OpenOffice.org is listed
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 08:55 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: eWEEK’s Top 25 Technologies Of The Decade From virtualisation to Linux to the Apple iPhone, eWEEK names the products, applications and technologies of the last decade that have changed the way we work, play and live ... 15. Openoffice.org Sure, if the bar for success is supplanting Microsoft Office, then Openoffice.org has been a failure. But if overall impact is considered, Openoffice.org has definitely been influential, especially when it comes to opening up document formats. I don't know why supplanting MSO was ever considered the primary goal. Personally, what I want is choice. If other people want to use MSO fine, just don't force me to use it. The same applies to Windows. Linux has made even less of a dent in that monopoly at the desktop than OOo BUT, I can now run my company using pretty well entirely FOSS. I don't care if most other people want to put up with viruses, spyware and machines that slow to a crawl after a few months as long as they are not forcing me to do it. I also think that having the masses self-excluding themselves actually has quite a lot of benefits. When I get asked to fix problems with Windows based computers I can just say I don't use Windows, sorry. So I think on that basis OOo marketig slogans should be more along the lines of OOo, providing choice and community for the discerning user :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Open Source Survey
http://www.edunetbg.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=39256lang=en%20 Hi all, there is a survey at the above link we are using for collecting some FOSS related data for an EU project. We have applied for a further EU grant to support OOo certification and the info from the above survey could help this too. So if you have time and can fill in and spread the survey further, please do. Thanks. Ian Lynch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Ubuntu Remix droping OpenOffice.org
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 22:12 +0200, Lars Nooden wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: Well a simple google search will give you many posts about it. Yes, but not authoritative ones, mostly just yammering. but you can read it here: http://digitizor.com/2010/02/05/openoffice-dropped-from-ubuntu-netbook-edition-10-04/ Thanks. The nastiness in the bait-and-switch apparent in Ubuntu 10.04 has been very visible for about two releases. The distro is a write-off at this point. OOo on netbooks is possible, though not as fast. A few years ago (or more) there was discussion of the need to trim down and streamline the OOo code. Unfortunately, the OOo programmers already do a lot of work. The rewrite would be one the scale of the Mozilla rewrite, probably larger. Small, light ODF tools the size of Geany or Kate are needed for text, if not also spreadsheets and presentations. I have Ubuntu on my netbook and use OOo on it occasionally, mainly Writer and Calc. Certainly I'm using Google Docs more these days for collaborative work and even just making web pages fo quite a lot I might have use a WP for a couple of years ago. With Smartphone moving into the netbook space maybe OOo trying to compete on features with MSO at the desktop is fighting the wrong out of date battle. A stripped down OOo for the Smartphone would be a killer but I suspect that by the time this could be done it will be too late. Other lightweight odf apps will surely emerge. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Ubuntu Remix droping OpenOffice.org
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 15:44 -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Don't you do presentations on your netbook? I found presentations be the killer use of a netbook. Mostly I use web pages and Google's presentation stuff in Google docs because I can just embed it in a web page and share it. From my experience I dont think the office suite is exactly what I am looking forward when doing mobile computing. At least on cellphones. The question is if I want a note application that can export to ODF and the answer is sure. Then again still not considering a Killer app. Even many PalmOS spreadsheet apps don't feel them as useful, except maybe for vieweing their content. Give it a couple of years and all smart phones will be pluggable to large displays and USB keyboards. Then you won't need a netbook. Question is what software will run on them? Maybe some local some from the cloud but staying on file based desktop is a big risk. What I did is use ODpyConvert (which should become an extension), and export all my ~/Documents/ files into PDF and then scp it to my N900. What I do need is maybe a good document manager that can read the metatag of the document and easily grep the content from it. Browing a folder with 500+ documents can be a pain in a mobile. Then again this is very Off Topic since the Ubuntu version is for NetBooks, not mobiles. Mobiles are relevant simply because they are the netbooks of a few years hence. Will OOo be on them or not? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] request for SIP providers
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 09:43 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Hamish, Hamish Bell wrote on 2010-01-21 09.41: Why don't we use Skype or something? It works on Windows/Linux/Mac etc and is free for calling people Skype-to-Skype. Wouldn't that be easier? IMHO, Skype conference calls are limited to 10 participants and Skype doesn't work reliably on all machines. On Linux, it can be a mess, and behind my firewall, it's always a coincidence if voice calls work or not. :-( Skype works fine on Ubuntu Linux here on my EEEPC netbook. Minor glitches such as the microphone getting set to too low to hear on starting skype and having to kill previous skypes before loading a new one. Not really a mess, just some minor irritations :-) In my experience it is quality of the lines that matter, eg unpredictability of someone heavily loading the network or something. That will probably affect any VOIP system using the standard internet as the medium. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The name OpenOffice.org
On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 17:45 -0500, Steven Shelton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/19/2010 3:07 PM, Heavlin, Lee wrote: From time to time, Sun takes the OpenOffice.org code base, integrates proprietary features, and releases the combined product as a new version of StarOffice. In fact, a month before OpenOffice.org 2.0 was released, Sun released StarOffice 8, which includes all of the new features found in OpenOffice.org 2.0 as well as a host of additional features. Not that this is really relevant, but I've always been curious: what exactly does StarOffice have feature-wise that OOo doesn't? I got SO8 when it was offered as part of the Google pack, and I couldn't really find anything. (But maybe it's just stuff I would never use . . . ) Last time I looked there were some things like Wordperfect filters but actually very little at all that is not in OOo. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media Design, LLC 17195 Silver Parkway #134 Fenton, MI 48430 www.TwilightMD.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLV4eEKP0FWmSVanERAq7AAKCNDKhJPYHzR9o9d3xA4gvpDL+fygCePtNF DysW/9NM5rjyU6RHelGJ41M= =g4fZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] use OO through the net
Hi Folks, I am wondering that providing openoffice through the internet. My idea is that - OO will be distributed to the user through syncing, such as dropbox, ubuntu one, etc. - The user will not be necessary to install it. - They just click on it and use it. (like USB portable applications) Since the distribution channel (syncing technology) portable technology is already available, why couldn't we combine allow users to use it? Looking forward to get more brainstorming ideas from you guys. In principle, this is a very good idea. We definitely need a web version of OOo and this seems a step in the right direction. Snag is getting someone to do it. Regards, -- Wunna Ko --- Get Paid To Read Emails. Free To Join Now! http://www.emailcashpro.com/?source=Emailr=onlinestore - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish Students
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 10:47 +0100, Per Eriksson wrote: Hi John, I'm mainly thinking a couple of things: Appearently problems regarding support for other file formats is still creating problems for people. I however do know that the Hamburg team is working on it. We could ask developers to please prioritize on things like interop with older binary formats, but still it's the developers' call. When reading the text, it also mentions problems with exams, worries for the future, and the product packaging. * Exams: Do we have a team working with leading exam institutes in the office productivity spectrum to discuss our product? We have an OOo certification project. I also run a UK government accredited awarding body and meet regularly with other IT exam providers. There are two types of IT qualification, one is directly targeted on vendor products eg Microsoft MOUS etc, the other is generic qualifications that are more about transferable skills and don't specify the use of particular products eg INGOTs. To an extent ICDL is generic but it has been strongly associated with MS Office for many years and the vast majority of supporting materials are targeted on MS Office. We are planning an EU funded project to support OOo certification. This will be based on generic assessment criteria but with specific support for OOo so that we have a comparable vendor certification that is compatible with the European Qualifications Framework (EQF). In the UK, government funding is dependent on qualifications meeting certain criteria - they must be endorsed by a Sector Skills Council as supporting the sector qualifications strategy and that means the assessment has to be compatible with the National Occupational Standards. In the UK this has been aligned with the EQF but it could be different in other countries. There is an EU directive for all countries to align their qualifications to the EQF by 2010 but that deadline is not likely to be met. In schools in the UK a compulsory move to OOo would cause some problems because some things would no doubt break. OTOH there is more encouragement to make that change and in setting up the INGOTs we provided an alternative accredited qualification that is designed to be independent of proprietary software and encourages learning about the importance of open systems. This means both teachers and students can use MS Office but they will learn enough to make informed decisions about alternatives in the future. Then it is up to them. Personally I think this is a better and more educational approach, but a lot depends on how centrally controlled the education system is. IN the UK individual schools make purchasing decisions - although that is changing to more local groups of schools with IT. In a country where central government decrees what software is purchased for all schools its all or nothing. Of course central purchasing will also show clearly the huge amounts of money that can be saved by considering the cost of licenses collectively. * Product packaging: provide something like a Works better together (taken from Amazon :)) which would make examples of software that works excellent with ours? Best Regards Per Eriksson John McCreesh skrev 2010-01-09 10:33: Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the schools on to FOSS productivity software? http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish Students
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 13:00 +0100, leif wrote: The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from the beginning backed up by the local politicians. I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him on Tuesday morning to make the arrangements. You might like to point out that we have UK government accredited certification that is backed by an EU Transfer of Innovation grant that has already certificated several thousand primary school children in the UK and South Africa. Assessment criteria for the lowest level certificate are at http://theingots.org/community/Bronze1 We are building open source web based supporting materials eg http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/puzzle/start.htm http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/ship/ship.htm http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/pexeso/pexeso.htm http://www.euro-face.cz/javascript/domino/domino.htm We are planning to apply for funding to do a similar treatment specific to OOo as part of the certification project. We are also about to meat with EPICT who I believe have quite a significant presence in Danish teacher certification for ICT. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 23:43 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: you are probably right. In case of FOSDEM, we don't plan to produce CD's or DVD's. Most people have OOo anyway and a CD is fast outdated. In Europe most people are in the situation t have a fast internet connection and can easily download the program. It looks different in other countries where CD's or DVD's make much more sense. Point was most people will pay 1 Euro to help support the project - it's embarrassing to refuse 1 Euro. You can substitute CD/DVD for any other tangible product that cost very little to produce and you can ask 1 Euro for. An I support OOo badge for example. Just a way of getting some revenue in. 300 people and at least you gain 300 Euros. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:55 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, FOSDEM 2010 is coming soon and we will have an OpenOffice.org DevRoom as well as OpenOffice.org stand there. The main reason for the stand is to present our project on one of the biggest open source conferences in Europe. We want demo OOo, want to talk with users as well as developers and all other interested people. We want celebrate community! The DevRoom is to spread knowledge around ongoing development efforts as well as giving hints how to get started etc.. In short we try to attract developers. The plan is to sponsor the speakers from the development budget and some t-shirts and the stand crew from the marketing budget. For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. Together with the t-shirts we will have ~2200 Euro expenses going on the marketing budget. I am till thinking that it is a good investment and i expect to get some money back from donations. Just for info, when we were at NEA in California a few years back, we tried selling OOo discs to see if we could make a bit of money to contribute o expenses. We found that when the price was $1 and explained it was try to help cover costs virtually everyone bought one. So 1 Euro might work :-) There is also an environmental reason. Free discs are easily discarded, thrown straight in the trash. If you pay 1 Euro you might think twice about that. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
RE: [marketing] countdown to 10 year celebration
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 23:01 +1300, Hamish Bell wrote: Sorry ... I've only been on the OOo mail list for a short time :) If OOoCons normally start on Wednesdays, then Oct 13 - if it is the OOo birthday - would be a perfect day to start the Con. +1. But it would need agreement with the organisers sooner rather than later for planning. Adding my thanks to John for all his hard work. Power to Florian :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Perception -
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 18:24 -0500, Drew Jensen wrote: Hello, I've been meaning to send this email for a couple of months now..so here goes. An earlier email about my trip to the Ohio LinuxFest this past September. There was something that came up a few times during my visit there that merits being passed along to this list, IMO - if it had come from one person I would dismiss it, but this happened maybe a half dozen times - one representative exchange. Hi Howdy So you work on any FOSS project. I volunteer a little for OpenOffice.org. (That is exactly how I said that EACH time) Oh - I wish I could get paid to work on a FOSS project! OK, now when I was speaking with folks, say from a Linux magazine or one of the big money FOSS companies - they did not have this misconception, but more often then not when I was speaking with 'just a guy (or gal)' this was exactly what they thought. 1 OpenOffice.org = Sun Microsystems 2 Everyone who works on the project is paid staff. Just passing it along, for whatever it's worth. Maybe we need to support opportunities for people to make a living working with OOo. The certification project has the potential to do this but it is not going to be easy. (Nothing worthwhile ever is :-) ). We can't sell OOo licenses but we can sell quality assurance for user skills and we can make certification a good deal less expensive than a MS Office license never mind MS Office certification. So you get the software and an internationally accredited certificate that says you are competent to use it for less than the price the competition is charging for a license to use. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Why does Microsoft fear OpenOffice.org?
Rockaway Twp. Library, 61 Mount Hope Rd., is offering a new computer class on OpenOffice software. It will cover how to download the software, create documents and spreadsheets. http://www.northjersey.com/community/at_the_library/events/80325597.html The intro to Openoffice is a new course. Got to love that! Unfortunately, they still giving MS Office classes. Happy Holidays Everyone! Just so everyone knows, Alex, Evan, Myself and Gabriel have made a start with the certification project. We have generic standards in place compatible with the European Qualifications Framework and Alex and Evan are putting OOo specific details to them. We have a meeting arranged in Prague 30/31st January of potential partners for an EU funded project to support development including language translations and on-line courses. Ian Russell On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:06 AM, John McCreesh jp...@openoffice.org wrote: Most people think that [OOo's] barely a blip on Microsoft's radar. Clearly, it's far more than that, and the numbers back that up. http://blogs.computerworld.com/15327/why_does_microsoft_fear_openoffice_org This story is now starting to gain momentum - if you are looking for a topic for a New Year's blog, may I suggest this one ;-) John -- John McCreesh - Marketing Project Lead - OpenOffice.org Join the hundred million - http://why.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] OOo Pamphlet?
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 16:57 -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Well to start Draw supports layers, locks, and visible tool which makes it much more easy to work with DTP, also they are al floating around the page and the use of grids and gides make it much more easy to snap objects to a specific measure. I dont see writer having this things. So I really don't see how using DRAW is hard to do. I have done complex images like Otto completely in DRAW, also have pushed lots more complex flyers that would be impossible or just a pain to do in Writer It depends on what you mean by DTP. For a single page flyer with mainly graphics and text banners, Draw is probably a good choice, type setting a colour magazine and neither Draw not Writer is ideal but probably Writer would be better. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Design ideas/slogan ...
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 19:27 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi Bernd, the relation to mobile apps was indeed intended ;-) But i am flexible, the problem is we need some ideas and the time is running. We have to nail down the desing before Christmas, otherwise we will run again into trouble with the production etc. I think the 100 million downloads is an excellent focus. I used it recently at a trade conference and you could see the jaws drop. Most people still don't see OOo as that big. We need to capitalise on such things. The exact details are less important than the central message that OOo is massive and global. 100 million provides the substance to that. Juergen Bernd Eilers wrote: Hi Juergen, -1 I would object to this idea for a reason that already manifests itself in the explanation you gave regarding the thoughts that lead to this slogan. Why for some people like maybe you and me it would seem quite natural to apply the terms program, application and app interchangeable to programs on mobile phones as well as to programs on desktop computers I think quite a lot of others (probably more exposed to recent commercials than to technical documentation) would associate just programs for the iPhone or just programs for well at least some kind of mobile phone with the term app. Thus the slogan would be giving the wrong impression that OOo would be something for a platform or a group of platforms which in fact it doesn't support (iPhone or other mobile phone) why not associating it with platforms it does support (Desktop Computers or WorkStations with Windows, Linux, Mac, Solaris OS etc. on it ). Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, just in the morning on the way into the office i had an idea for a slogan and i think it might be useful in some way for our designs ... It's a mix of the 6 million dollar man (US TV series) our fantastic download numbers and the hype around app's for the iPhone first but now for small devices in general. You know everybody need an app for everything (or not ;-)) Anyway, the slogan is or could be 1. Openoffice.org the 2. 100 3. million 4. app 1. should be the official OOo logo 2. should be highlighted in some way 3.+4. should be probably also highlighted in some way What do you think? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for OSWC 2009 in Caceres
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:02 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote (17-11-2009 2:13) On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Sounds as a good event. But when there were many OOo representatives last year, what would make it worth for you/us to invest in travelling to Spain then? We could of course, but IMO investing in flying in people from far, makes most sense when you want to build a community or have some special reason. Can you make this more clear? The organization couldnt find fund enough to get my flight. So I will retire my request now. Sorry to hear that. But this still does not learn us something on how to handle such a situation. Or does it? Doesn't solve this particular problem but there are EU mobilities and small projects grants available to fund travel related to vocational training. We just hosted 12 Romanian teachers here for two weeks teaching them about using Open Source software among other things, paid for by an EU Leonardo Da Vinci mobilities grant through the Romanian National Agency. Anyone in any SME or education organisation in Europe could apply for a grant like this to fund travel to a range of relevant events to support OOo. http://www.leonardo.org.uk/page.asp?section=00010001001900010001sectionTitle=Mobility+Projects http://www.leonardo.org.uk/page.asp?section=0001000100190002sectionTitle=Small+Scale+Co-operation+Projects Links above are to the UK National Agency, you apply to the relevant equivalent in your country. The marketing project members in Europe could get together and share ideas at a series of physical meetings funded by a small cooperation project grant and use that to plan a series of mobilities that helped disseminate information about OOo to SMEs. There are large scale projects too. I'm running one on transfer of Innovation currently and I intend to bid for money in February ~ 300,000 Euros to support OpenOffice.org certification and translations into all 23 EU languages. We can also use the money to set up OOo certification centres in every EU member state generating a sustainable income to spread to countries outside the EU for further marketing and further grant applications. There are valorisation grants specifically for publicising and spreading project outcomes. This will take a couple of years assuming the grant application is successful. If it isn't, we just keep applying until it is :-) If anyone wants to apply for grants I can give help but there is a limit to the time I have so I can't be directly involved in small scale and mobility bids. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Nokia funds KOffice for mobiles
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 11:00 +0800, Peter Junge wrote: Of course I agree with you, but I would recommend to discuss this on a development list, as we are on d...@marketing here, mostly trying to make stakeholders aware, that OOo will loose market position, if it doesn't have a mobile version ready when time has come. Implementation is just a question of commitment. I remember this being discussed several years ago. It's possibly too late now given the time development will take. Those of us saying that efforts should be primarily channeled into making the code more efficient than adding more features didn't get very far. Now it might be just as easy to wait until the Smart Phones can simply run OOo as the hardware continues to improve and fall in price. Or make OOo available as a thin client login as an interim. I should think Google is thinking more in terms of its own on-line apps than OOo for Android. This is a marketing issue because without a presence on mobile devices OOo's future is bleak. Think 5 years ahead. What will the cloud be like then? What improvements will be made to handsets? There is a reasonable chance that by then Android will be like the open architecture PC competing for the desktop with the Mac. Who won that battle? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Nokia funds KOffice for mobiles
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 13:24 +, jonathon wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:31, Ian wrote: Is it cost-effective to spend US$100 for a bluetooth keyboard and mouse for a US$250 smarrtphone/PDA? A USB keyboard is around $5 and a USB Mouse $2 and the G-phone has a USB port so the cost to get a basic set up is minimal. http://www.n1wireless.com/Bluetooth_Keyboard-I_Tech_Virtual_Keyboard.html US$109.99 Point is I can buy a USB keyboard for a fraction of that price - I'm not really prepared to pay $100 just for wireless when the cable makes almost no difference to the way I work. The snag with the G-phone is that the USB port is not set up for keyboards. I'm sure it could be hacked :-) But I'll wait until one of the manufacturers provides it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00142C4O8 US$149.99 http://www.jr.com/golan-technology/pe/GOC_VKB/ US$149.99 The N900, which is probably Nokia's current premier phone offers Bluetooth connectivity, but not a USB port. (KOffice is available for this system.) G-phone has USB, just not currently supporting a keyboard but I'm thinking more about the future. It rather amazes me that Google haven't provided a standard USB keyboard driver. I can't see it putting the price up and typing on a cheap but full sized keyboard would be a lot easier eg when I'm at home at my desk with my phone which is actually quite a lot of the time. A VGA out would be handy too even if the resolution is not that good. Currently available Smartphones/PDAs which offer USB connectivity, usually do so using weird/proprietary connectors on the device end. I connect my g-phone to my netbook with a standard USB cable and a cheap mini adapter on the phone end. It then charges off the netbook (battery life on the G-phone is its main weakness) and I can transfer files that way too. Bluetooth works but its a bit fiddly and slower than a cable I need anyway for battery charging so personally I don't use it much. If Koffice gets to be the de facto standard on Smartphones OOo (and MSO for that matter) will be confined to future niche markets. There are roughly half a dozen operating systems for Smartphones/PDAs/etc. At the moment. There were half a dozen Micro computer OSs about until the open architecture PC came along and anyone could build one. Then it rapidly went to DOS then Windows. I reckon that is what Google is trying to do with Android. Why do you think Nokia is rushing to open source Symbian? Open Systems architecture is what made the PC. Apple did nice stuff but all proprietary and got confined to a niche. Deja vu :-) _If_ QT ports the Koffice libraries to all of those operating systems, then KOffice might well become the dominant office suite. Between what is best described as outright fraud, de facto swindling, and telling its partners flat out lies, Microsoft is headed to ensuring that nobody in the mobile device market works with them. Microsoft Mobile Office won't make it in that market.(It doesn't help that Microsoft Mobile Office is incompatible with MS2k7, and MSO2k3.) Yes, MS seems very unlikely to compete in this market, they had their chance and they blew it. I suspect Apple is currently at its height as it was in the mid 80s before Windows. The problems with OOo and Go-OO are too deep seated for it to make any impact on the mobile device market. Probably - again the project priority should have been mobiles 5 years ago when it was obvious that this would eventually take over from desktops as the dominant computer market. It is theoretically possible for an office suite, other than KOffice, that produces ODF compatible documents to become the dominant player in the mobile device market. But probably not practically because the development lead in time is too great unless there is a product just about ready now. Since Koffice is FOSS, there is nothing to stop Google putting it in Android which I'm sure they will do if they think it is going to give Symbian an advantage. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Nokia funds KOffice for mobiles
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 10:12 +, jonathon wrote: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 13:00, Ian wrote: What happens when someone markets a phone that you can plug in a USB keyboard and a monitor. I've seen keyboards and mice that had bluetooth connectivity support. Assuming the carriers haven't blocked that functionality (Bluetooth connections to non-headsets), the current limiting issues are: * Lack of decent office software on a smartphone/PDA; So port OpenOffice.org to say a G-phone - Google probably want people to use their on-line apps but an option for OOo would be good. Ok, it will probably run like a drain to start with but once the concept is achieved no doubt the technology will improve. * Cost; OOo itself costs nothing but obviously increasing RAM and processor power does. However, these increase and get less costly all the time. I beleve the g-phone has about 192 meg of RAM free for apps. If that was doubled I think OOo would run acceptably for many users. If K-office does it better then OOo has a problem. If K-office gets established in the mobile space I doubt OOo will then get in at all. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Nokia funds KOffice for mobiles
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 11:06 +, jonathon wrote: I was not referring to the cost of the office suite. Rather, I was referring to the cost of the additional hardware (mouse, keyboard). Is it cost-effective to spend US$100 for a bluetooth keyboard and mouse for a US$250 smarrtphone/PDA? A USB keyboard is around $5 and a USB Mouse $2 and the G-phone has a USB port so the cost to get a basic set up is minimal. No doubt I could design a cheap netbook style shell that a Smartphone could simply slide into giving an appropriate size keyboard and screen without incurring the full cost of a netbook - maybe $100 for the package, less with volume sales. Less expensive than a netbook and with the flexbility to use the phone away from the constraints of the larger size needed for a decent keyboard and screen. Actually such a package could have an optional larger battery and recharge the phone battery while it is in place and provide the additional power for more intensive work such as office apps. My G-phone is almost exclusively recharged by my EEEPC netbook. I would certainly pay $200 or more to be able to rationalise the netbook, desktop and phone technologies I own. If K-office does it better then OOo has a problem. If K-office gets established in the mobile space I doubt OOo will then get in at all. jonathon -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Nokia funds KOffice for mobiles
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 13:08 +0200, eric b wrote: Hi Ian, Le 19 oct. 09 à 12:34, Ian a écrit : So port OpenOffice.org to say a G-phone - Google probably want people to use their on-line apps but an option for OOo would be good. Ok, it will probably run like a drain to start with but once the concept is achieved no doubt the technology will improve. Not sure About how OOo will run well or that technology will improve. I thin the latter is certain - I'd bet my life on it :-) * Cost; OOo itself costs nothing but obviously increasing RAM and processor power does. However, these increase and get less costly all the time. I beleve the g-phone has about 192 meg of RAM free for apps. If that was doubled I think OOo would run acceptably for many users. FYI, OOo4Kdis runs honestly on Celeron 500 + 128 MB or RAM ( using Puppy Linux distribution ), or on XO ( Sugar / 900 MHz / 521 MB or RAM). The drawback : no Java, nor Base, but who cares, if we got a reader ? I agree, base is not really so important at this stage in this application. And if I can, we could just limit the features to act as a simple reader. Will probably divide the size by a factor 2 If K-office does it better then OOo has a problem. If K-office gets established in the mobile space I doubt OOo will then get in at all. IMHO, the fact Nokia has been choosen by Nokia, is because of the QT dependency ( QT wass TrollTech and is now Nokia ) Whatever the reason, if Koffice gets to be the de facto standard on Smartphones OOo (and MSO for that matter) will be confined to future niche markets. There are far more cell phones out there than desktop computers. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Nokia funds KOffice for mobiles
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 21:54 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Here is a piece of news that is interesting as KOffice once again change from becoming multi platform to migrating into the mobile architecture. http://news.kde.org/2009/10/13/nokia-sponsors-koffice-development-mobile-devices The development of KOffice on mobile devices really marks one of the OOo lead requests of having an OOo for PDA and/or mobiles. This puts more pressure into the project on looking at how can a project like OOo run efficiently in a mobile environment. In the past I have used Abiword and Gnumerics on my Nokia770 Internet tablet. The result where less than useful. However it was good to read files from my desktops and make tiny edits. What happens when someone markets a phone that you can plug in a USB keyboard and a monitor. Then you don't need a laptop or desktop unless you are doing something specialist. For Office applications surely this can't be far away. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: OOo branding elements / new logo proposals [was: [OOoCon2009] Poster stand for OOo logo proposals at Orvieto?]
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 19:34 +0300, Lars Nooden wrote: Graham Lauder wrote: Thats disappointing because we should be changing it. It is now old and decrepit and is looking it while our oppositions comes out with a fresh new logo with every other release. Is it any wonder that people see us as just an alternative to Office '97 Thanks for explaining that Graham. I had been wondering where our opposition had been spending its development effort. Doesn't take much effort to change a logo but it can have a significant impact on marketing. If we don't always have the resources for big marketing campaigns we surely do have them to do things like freshen up a logo. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Danish Municipality of Lyngby-Taarbæk moves schools to OOo
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 18:03 +0200, Leif Lodahl wrote: This is specific OpenOffice We in the Danish Community has been working for some time to direct the schools against using OpenOffice. Don't you mean towards OpenOffice? Against implies you don't want them to use OOo? We have developed several language specific extensions for the children. Applications that already exists for Word. I know the CIO very well and he is very FOSS friendly. Best regards, Leif Lodahl DA.OpenOffice. 2009/10/3 Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org Great quote although I wonder if it was openoffice.org or open source. Since this becomes more specific. I will include that quote on some of the presentations we have for schools and universities. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Lars Nooden larsnoo...@openoffice.org wrote: http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-lyngby-taarbek-moves-schools-to-openoffice There is a very nice quote from the head of IT, Moving to open source paid for about 150 of these computers. That's just the up front savings. There should be more over time. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Market OpenOffice Draw towards prosumer DTP?
On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 20:32 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: Hello. I have been using OpenOffice Draw for five years for desktop publishing purpose as a replacement of Microsoft Publisher 2000 (part of MS Office), back in the year 2003 when I decide to switch away from Microsoft Office. At current stage Draw is just one-step away from a DTP software for prosumer market, which in my understanding is the biggest DTP market segment now in China and probably also the world. By prosumer I refer to those who have DTP requirement beyond word processing software can offer yet are not usually DTP professionals. Before going on the discussion please download these example publications created using OpenOffice Draw to have an impression how the result looks like when OpenOffice Draw is used for publication purpose. Mind the 16MB size! with about 10 samples in it: http://www.yuliansu.com/cc_works/publications_odg.tar It could be argued that Draw is not intended to be page layout software. In the FOSS world Scribus is probably the choice for that particular application in the prosumer space. Would it be easier to cooperate with the Scribus people and enhance that product? Having said that, the enhancements suggested would be useful in Draw in their own right. You can see most of these examples are difficult to do in Writer but easier in Draw, and Draw provided all features necessary to make them. I recommend to market openoffice Draw to this market segment as well as improve software to suit this need. Reasons: 1. OpenOffice Draw can do prosumer DTP. 2. Office users need prosumer DTP products. I recommend only a few (I guess less than 10% of the effort of making Draw itself) improvement that can make it adapt to DTP needs. If your email client software tabstop is set to eight spaces, you should see the following table in the way I created them: Feature COMPARISON table: DTP requirements and how much OpenOffice Draw MS Publisher satisfy these requirements. MS Publisher 2000 | Must for prosumer DTP | | OpenOffice Draw 3.0 (2009) | | | Prosumer Features | | | | [The MS did it better 9 years ago than we are doing now group] Yes Yes No Even/odd page can use different page setting Yes Yes No Text frame linking Yes Yes No Rich template + meta data management (e.g. phone number) Yes Yes No Fast loading Yes Yes No Justified alignment in text frame Yes Yes No Wrap text around object Yes Yes No Bleeding and corner mark Yes Yes No Booklet layout Yes No No CMYK color space Yes No No More colors to choose from Yes No No Color-set management for each publication Yes No No Color-to-alpha for raster images Yes No No On WYSIWYG show only preview but not load image Yes No No Outline finder for raster images Yes No No Repeatitive line pattern or its pattern clipart Yes No No Page background pattern into page margin [The Now we are doing better than MS 9 years ago group] NoNo Yes Editable document should be in a standard format NoNo Yes Any object can hold text [The We now don't have them, neither MS Publisher in 2000 group] NoYes No Multi-column text frame NoYes No Perfect vector image import for various formats NoNo Yes Multi-layer [The Even MS didn't do them in 2000 feature group] NoNo No Objects on non-current layer not selectable NoNo No Text along curves ? No No Smooth shades for objects with parameters Note that I left out all the prosumer features that is available now in OpenOffice Draw. If I enclude them, this list's length is trippled with Yes Yes Yes features. Haven't used MS Publisher for 6 years I also could not compare OpenOffice Draw to the latest MS Publisher. Best regards Zhang Weiwu -- 锐业软服（北京）信息技术有限公司 Real Softservice Information Communication Technologies 邮政编码： 100089 北四环中路238号 柏彦大厦406b室 Beisihuan Zhong Road No. 238 Baiyan Building Unit 406B Tel: +86 (10) 8231 8580 http://www.realss.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr
Re: [marketing] Market OpenOffice Draw towards prosumer DTP?
On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 22:10 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Draw was always targeted as a technical drawing application, not as a DTP one... perhaps we should think about repositioning Draw? Really? I found Draw capable doing a lot of things except technical drawing! ;) I think he means basic prosumer drawing rather than CAD. I would think graphic illustration is the nearest - stuff like Serif Draw+, Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, etc. Again probably some argument about exact number of features etc. I accept the reasons for rejecting Scribus, I was just looking for lines of least resistance since resources are never enough to do anything substantial quickly. There is definitely advantage in having more than one application with different approaches, I use Inkscape and Draw in different circumstances. Putting more DTP features into Draw certainly has some merit - most schools in the UK use MS Publisher and it's a particular pain because the file formats are not compatible with anything. If Draw is evolving to pdf editing it does make some sense to move it more to page layout and DTP. BTW, anyone going to Open World Forum in Paris next week? In fact technical drawing also has prosumer segment and professional segment. Draw works for basic things but doesn't fit the professional segment neither. On technical drawing I happen to be in the professional segment, which means I cannot use Draw for the purpose it was supposed to:) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [project leads] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 14:26 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Other extremely important thing: OOo4Kids is the way to enter in schools with free software. There are a few different barriers to entry for free software. Installing software is one and of course maintaining it - especially if they already have MS Office installed. Then all their curriculum support materials specific to MSO and so on. Analyse all the potential barriers to entry, then put them in order of importance and do the things that cost the least and have the biggest impact. I am not sure if this is the correct issues, They certainly make a massive difference here in the UK and talking to our partners in EU countries also there. This judgement is from direct consultation with the schools, the Schools Open Source project and Schoolforge UK. moving OOo4Kids into the OpenOffice.org project is a technical as well as community decision. Yes but the purpose of OOo4Kids is to get kids using OOo. Certainly StarOffice4Kids had very little impact at all in UK schools and neither did Sun's earlier Star Office initiatives. In fact that was one of the reasons I first started the INGOTs. It was clear to me as a professional working in marketing to schools for the last umpteen years that what was being proposed wouldn't work. Moving OOo4Kids in schools are all of a different conversation that escape the scope of the OpenOffice.org Project. So you go to all the effort of making a fork of OOo4 without considering how it will get taken up? That seems a very strange view of marketing. I trusth teacher and academic circles to try to answer this questions and stablish guidelines to operate with the OpenOffice.org Project etc. Fundamentally, if you have the wrong technical solution and it makes it difficult or awkward for teachers to take it up they won't waste the time and effort. If it is easy they still might not but there is at least a chance that they will. Your market should drive your tech development. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 05:25 -0700, Gabriel Gurley wrote: With that being said, I do think the situation is getting better in regards to the perception of OpenOffice.org by IT staff in academia. And I still support the fundamental goals of OOo4Kids. But from personal experience, I also know that there is still a fair amount of bias again OpenOffice.org by IT staff, no matter the desires by teachers to use it. An online version could certainly be a viable solution for that particular problem. I didn't intend to give the impression I'm against OOo4kids, just that marketing and how it affects technical design is important. Education is a specialised market with a lot of issues that often even those working as teachers in schools don't appreciate. With OOo's main competitors going to cloud it seems prudent to at least explore that option for OOo. A thin client server could probably host more than 100 concurrent users on basic WP etc. I wonder if such a set up could be sustainable paid for by advertising? If hardware keeps falling in price and bandwidth increasing there must come a point when it would do. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Chinese Microsoft Office Web Apps Rival Launching Soon
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 19:14 +0100, John McCreesh wrote: A Chinese company that offers a rival suite to Microsoft Office is following industry trends by turning its software into a Web-based service. Evermore Software, based in the eastern Chinese city of Wuxi, has for years offered a software suite that looks very similar to Microsoft Office but costs less. Now the company sees its rivals moving online, and it is designing a Web version of its suite to compete with the likes of Google Docs and Microsoft's upcoming Office Web apps. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2009/tc2009089_897536.htm Basically why we need on-line OOo. I suspect not a trivial task. Maybe a thin client login through a web browser as a trial? Advertising could pay for the hosting in the longer term. Advantage of that approach is not having to do anything much with the code and it happens pretty immediately and provides far more comprehensive facilities than Google Docs. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:12 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote: - create a dedicated branch in the OOo source code repository (means hosted by OOo Project) for a 7-12 years software, derivated from OpenOffice.org, and made and maintained by OpenOffice.org project. I like and support this idea, Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including milestones, like OOo does what do you mean by completely independent ? I would expect that this branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ? We could certificate competence in this with nationally accredited qualifications and we already have some traction in that age group. The vast majority of the 40,000 certificates we have issued so far are in the 7-12 age group. We have the current Leonardo Da Vinci Transfer of innovation project that will support appropriate supporting learning resources depending on the timing. It might be worth considering applying for an EU grant to fund this project in its own right. I'm also just about finished the design of the Schools ITQ which is the UK National Vocational Qualification for IT users adapted for use in schools. This has the support of the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT and will be fully compatible with the EU qualifications framework. More info at http://www.theingots.org/community/ITQ - work with schools and students to improve the software - innovate about performances and cooperate with the performance project in this area - (add your idea) In the 7-12 age group you are more likely to get contributions such as user feedback and maybe some supporting templates and graphics. We do have Ottos Club as a concept for wider activities and competitions. http://theingots.org/Ottos_club/ We will be putting some effort into extending this including teaching some programming using Javascript similar to the above examples. These could includes simple applications related to OOo. The programming is more likely to get volume take up in the 13-16 age group. The EU project will support translation of these resources into Romanian, Bulgarian, Czech and Spanish as well as English but it will be all CCSA licensed so others can localise if they want to. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] new videos for OpenOffice.org / production and localization guide?
Also XVidcap remember using whole lot of memory, I use recordMyDesktop and find it less resource intensive. When I experimented I found recordMyDesktop easy to use and it seemed to work OK. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] new videos for OpenOffice.org / production and localization guide?
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 15:11 +0200, Rosana Ardila Biela wrote: Hi, I think that it is a good idea to localize everything. I know it's much easier to just redo the voice, but I guess that for a lot of users it's better to see how the function they're about to use is called. What we could do is write a manual to do and localize screen casts. So if there's an original storyboard you can record everything in your language, the documents created for the original screencast can also be reused. What do you think about that? I would ask some volunteers to help me test the screen cast software, so we find something that works for everybody and that some community members can offer support for. Anyone interested in localizing or creating screen casts out there? does anyone have experience with open source screen cast software? This might be something we could support with the EU project I announced earlier. Romanian, Bulgarian, Czech and Spanish would be the targets. I'd have to check that the work supports the ITQ assessment criteria but I should think it will. Regards, Rosana -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Info. New EU project related to OOo
We have been successful in a grant application for transfer of Innovation with partners in Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Germany and Spain. This 367,000 Euro project together with 250,000 Euros of private investment will in part fund qualifications and support materials for OOo that reference to the new EQF. For example, we are currently mapping Gabriel Gurley's OOo Moodle course content to the UK National Occupational standards with a view to incorporating a revised version of the INGOT IT qualifications to support the IT User National Vocational Qualification (ITQ) and European Qualifications Framework (EQF) as well as the UK schools National Curriculum. We will extend the UK national accreditation to other countries starting with Romania. We have grant applications to take the innovative assessment pedagogies of the INGOTs to maths for computer science and software development. We are working with the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT, the UK Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency, the Open Source Consortium of companies, and the Computing at Schools Group to design qualifications that will increase take up of computing particularly pre-university that will in turn increase the number of CS undergraduates. While not directly related to OOo, producing more CS graduates and teaching them about open systems is aimed at increasing the number of potential Open Source developers particularly at undergraduate level and so this strategy should have a beneficial effect on the OOo project. Regards, -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Info. New EU project related to OOo
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 09:44 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Awesome news Ian, I am really glad that INGOT project finally got their funding prospect. Gabriel's work is really something inspiring as well and I would love to see the program expand to the rest of Europe. If there is anything I could help out we would love to also get the INGOTs project referenced within the education.openoffice.org portal which is run by Eric Bachard and myself. I think this combine assets could be good to both projects. We are happy to cooperate. All resources will be CCSA licensed so if anything is useful to the OOo project it can be taken. If you want to look at the development work for the new revised INGOTs which will be the basis of the EU resource development it is at http://www.theingots.org/community/node/8226 We are now upgraded to Drupal 6 and Daniel has nearly finished the new certification site that will enable us to provide for a range of subjects. Here is an example of a student blog on developing an OOo Impress presentation http://www.theingots.org/community/node/8921 You can download the presentation on caring for your dog - it's Creative Commons Licensed, declared in the first Blog entry :-) Much success to INGOTs and looking forward to a great evolution of it. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Problem in using open office
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 15:23 +0530, Vikram Gaur wrote: Hi, while using openoffice.org 3.0 on windows platform, some problems are being faced: 1.When two persons are opening same document in network both gets the document in writable mode. 2.In Calc filter utility doesn't allow to filter more than 2 rows. Best place to bring this up is on the discuss list. I ccd it there but you need to subscribe to that list to get the replies. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [cd-rom] Happy New Year
ian.ly...@zmsl.com wrote (1-1-2009 20:32) The policy of not touching the front-page is a big mistake since it give us little to work with. Most of the communication is obscure to the user, just like the 'why' campaigns and others. IMHO if the marketing project means anything it should have full control over what goes on the front page of the web site. After all, it is the shop window for the project. The fact that the front page isn't in the control of the obvious community members that take responsibility for marketing says something significant about project management. John and Florian do a lot for the front page of OpenOffice.org I'd just observer that doing stuff and control are not the same thing. -- Ian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [cd-rom] Happy New Year
I would say the problem is a lack of concrete discussion; I'm sure that if someone put forward a [specific] suggestion about what they think would be good to have on the homepage / some other page(s) on the OOo website, they won't be ignored. I'm just thinking back to a few years ago when this sort of discussion was much more common. Nothing happened so pretty well all those involved appear to have moved on to other things. Certainly my own anedotal encounters with anything to do with the web site was a) there was a massive technical barrier for anyone wanting to take part b) you could spend ages on something only to have it vetoed by the community manager. Even getting a wiki established took several years battle. Life is too short for battling with such bureaucracy and I doubt many volunteers are going to consider that a good use of their time. The solution is simply one of delegation. Give the marketing leads control over the front page of the web site. That is a simple decision but it requires trusting the marketing project leads - but why have them if they can't be trusted with some real influence? What does democracy mean in the project? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [cd-rom] Happy New Year
A general message to everybody on the list to wish you all a Happy New Year, and thank you for your contributions to the 'cause'. Although the general economy is not in a very good state, this may - in a sideways direction - increase interest in OpenOffice.org and give us a chance to get into particularly more businesses looking to cut costings! Perhaps we should be making this point more forcibly through the marketing project. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [cd-rom] Happy New Year
The policy of not touching the front-page is a big mistake since it give us little to work with. Most of the communication is obscure to the user, just like the 'why' campaigns and others. IMHO if the marketing project means anything it should have full control over what goes on the front page of the web site. After all, it is the shop window for the project. The fact that the front page isn't in the control of the obvious community members that take responsibility for marketing says something significant about project management. -- Ian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Thoughts about the help section in OOo
On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 13:58 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, while many of us are digesting the turkey, I was caught by John Mc Creesh's blog post the importance of friends: http://www.mealldubh.org/index.php/2008/12/21/the-importance-of-friends/ Basically this is some results of a marketing survey about OpenOffice.org Friends (and that could mean a lot for any plans on social networks) seem to be our first advocates. Friends tell their friends about OOo, install it on their friends' computers, etc. But the interesting and much overlooked trend in that survey, I think, is that to the question on where does anyone look for help on OOo, it's not just the friend who provides the answer, but our good old OOo help section, the one that is embedded with the suite. It's been around for many years, but since this seems to be an important part of the user's experience, I would have like to hear some thoughts on improvements, ideas, and how we can better position that feature in our product 'mix'. Maybe rebrand users in some way as friends. Or maybe establish the concept of the OOo Family. Users is a bit impersonal and group empathy and synergy are powerful agents in maintaining any affiliation. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Introduction
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 17:15 +0100, Rosana Ardila wrote: Hello All, I wanted to introduce myself to the OpenOffice.org marketing project. I will be working at Sun until the end of April, also helping with the marketing for OpenOffice.org. And I want to use the time to work with and in behalf of the OpenOffice.org community. I am very interested in Free and Open Source Software in general and have been using OOo for years, recommending it to everybody. So I'm glad to have the opportunity now to do the same in a bigger channel. I have an idea I would like to share with you and put to discussion. I thought it would be interesting to organize a video contest for OOo. Short videos (30 secs) would show what OOo and its community are, and why the project is so special. Young artists, students and creative community members could create great material, from their different cultural perspectives.That's just a very short description, I can send yo later some detailed information about a possible organization. Let me know your thoughts on this. Hi Rosana, sounds a great idea. I will publicise it on our community site where we have upwards of 3000 school learners doing projects for their IT qualifications. They could use such a video for their Level 2 certificates. We might also be able to offer some small prizes for the competition. This is a bit like what we did for the Otto mascot some years ago and I think it is about time we did something else like this. I am looking forward to working with you and I hope I can give you a hand here :) cheers, Rosana. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Microsoft ODF plans for Office 2007 SP2
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:54 +0530, Vikram Gaur wrote: Web version has limited future because of bandwidth. Google will take care of that. That is like saying MS will take care of the desktop for us! At the moment there are bandwidth limitations but they will gradually ease and those that go into the market early will dominate just as MS has done at the desktop. We need to look further ahead if we are serious about long term survival. Still if we want to compete with that we can convert openoffice.org to web version. Question is how? Who will take responsibility for doing it? Sun has the technology with Global Desktop to offer thin client access to anyone through a standard web browser. Question is where the revenue can be generated to fund the servers etc. MS will be doing it from advertising like Google. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Microsoft ODF plans for Office 2007 SP2
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:02 +, Richard Rothwell wrote: 2008/12/17 Ian Lynch ian.ly...@zmsl.com: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:54 +0530, Vikram Gaur wrote: Web version has limited future because of bandwidth. Google will take care of that. That is like saying MS will take care of the desktop for us! At the moment there are bandwidth limitations but they will gradually ease and those that go into the market early will dominate just as MS has done at the desktop. We need to look further ahead if we are serious about long term survival. Still if we want to compete with that we can convert openoffice.org to web version. Question is how? Who will take responsibility for doing it? Sun has the technology with Global Desktop to offer thin client access to anyone through a standard web browser. Question is where the revenue can be generated to fund the servers etc. MS will be doing it from advertising like Google. It may be that organisations will want to run their _own_ web based office suites. That would offer security, etc. A true FOSS web based office suite might well be rather popular. It would mean that others could offer a hosted service in competition with the big boys - in the same way that Web hosting, etc is offered. I think large hosting companies might offer it as value added to customers. I get web mail with a choice of SquirrelMail, Horde and Cube from my e-mail host. Why not a web hosting service that just happens to provide web based office facilities for free? Probably needs marketing to build a relationship with the biggest hosting providers. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Interesting article
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 08:29 +1000, Alex Fisher wrote: The Register had this interesting article this morning. Appears an entire high school class failed an IT exam because the submitted the exam in MS Word format, but the examining board doesn't accept Word documents http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/cotelands_word/ see also http://dida.edexcel.org.uk/home/spb/toolkit/. Interestingly, ODF is not listed either. Perhaps Ian can open talks with them (if he hasn't already :) ). Dida has been rather notorious for this type of thing happening. It is rather ironic that as an exam board specialising in open systems we do accept popular proprietary formats for the simple fact that causing this degree of customer angst is suicide commercially. We have the advantage of being small and flexible. We can educate without being dictatorial. We also provide assessment on demand to suit the client so it is rather different to the way Edexcel does it. Edexcel, perhaps feel that they are so powerful that they don't need to take such things into account but probably it's a consequence of being a large bureaucracy with rules that the moderators have no discretion over. I know for a fact that there has been massive migration to OCR nationals from Dida. OCR and Edexcel have a massive majority share of the market for IT school exams in England for age 16. It is one reason why we target younger children. Using the principle of disruptive innovation, there are more potential customers in the younger age groups and the trick is to get the price point down to where they can participate. There is no effective competition here and if we get them younger and earlier (including the .doc users :-) ) there is a good chance they will stay with us as our brand becomes stronger and they qualify earlier. So far things are going to plan, it just takes time and patience. One thing that does arise is the number of e-portfolios that start with one Drupal page with a load of MS Office files attached! The desktop paradigm is very firmly entrenched not least in teachers. Rather than simply failing the students we would rather inform them and their assessors of the issue and give them an opportunity to put it right. We are primarily interested in learning and getting them to demonstrate that learning. We only provide exemplars using Open systems but we acknowledge some schools have massive investment in proprietary systems so p***ing them off by being inflexible is not how to win friends and influence people :-) In practical terms, .doc and .xls are trivially easy to deal with in OOo, a bigger problem would be eg .pub or proprietary vector drawing formats. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] FOSS School Tour 2009: Promoting FOSS
Hello Guys, The COMPUTER PROFESSIONAL UNION together with the Mindanao Open Source Society will initiate a FOSS Tour in School Philippines Mindanao, Orienting Students/teacher about the use of Free and Open source Software in Region IX particular on Basilan and Zamboanga or the ARMM region . Off-course i will be one of the Project Lead, I have a tentative schedule January 2009. In this connection we are looking for sponsors and supporters for this event giving materials/Training materials to Schools in ARMM Region. Those who want to help you can contact me or email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Sincerely yours, -- ___ RJ Ian S.Sevilla OpenPGP Keys: 4EEA3424 URL: http://rjian.blogspot.com | http://www.linkedin.com/in/rjian Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +63 926 9173463 YM: rjian_sevilla SKYPE ID: rjian_sevilla IRC nick: rjian server: irc.freenode.net Channels: #iosn #ubuntu-ph ##moss #cp-union ___
Re: [marketing] Article: US consumers prefer OpenOffice to Google Docs
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 15:32 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: US consumers prefer OpenOffice to Google Docs http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21729/53/ Hosted, and generally free, office applications are being touted as a big threat to Microsoft's dominance of the desktop, but a survey of US Internet consumers found that free desktop based office apps like OpenOffice are what Microsoft should fear most. For now at least. ... Until there is an free on-line clone of MS Office :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[marketing] Malaysia
Just back from Malaysia. They have an odf Olympiad for kids in addition to other strategies to move the entire public sector to open systems. OpenOffice.org has a high profile as part of the national migration strategy. I have blogged it here for anyone interested in some more details. http://www.theingots.org/community/node/6100 -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: Re: [marketing] Contact bizdev/developers WAS Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Community Mapping Project
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 14:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i meant domain developers, i.e. members of the bizdev project with domain developer role. The context was clearified in a previous msg. Per Probably the same argument applies. If you want volunteers to commit their time, it has to be on their terms or at least terms attractive to them which really amounts to the same thing. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Contact bizdev/developers WAS Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Community Mapping Project
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 15:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: ...Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Yes, however, keep in mind that much of that perception has been cultivated through several years of attacks from MS both directly and through proxy. Case in point recent attempts to inject tainted code, or the ODF=OOo=Sun meme that MSFTers were pounding a few years ago Massive code base difficult to learn Yes. Needs to become more modular, which may in turn address your outstanding wish for smaller, faster OOo No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers There are also high barriers to entry even to otherwise simple activities like testing / QA and localization. I agree with that. That is more the area where INGOTs are targeted as realistically the Gold INGOT projects are not likely to be coding - maybe later when we develop a Platinum INGOT and beyond but that is a much smaller market and is not sustainable on current resources. It takes time to move the way people work - starting sooner just means the outcome happens sooner. Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. Yes, but that was also when the project was more or less in isolation. Nowadays, you do have to be concerned about hijacking of the codebase by funded volunteers Is that good or bad :-) Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues... So yes, a strategy is needed. That's probably something that can be started at the OOo conference in Beijing. I hope so, I want OOo to succeed and get stronger. I'm in Malaysia next week at their Government Open Source conference that happens to clash with the OOo Conference. From what I read there is a refreshing difference in the government attitude to ICT there compared to many so called developed nations. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. Same here. Regards -Lars -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Contact bizdev/developers WAS Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org Community Mapping Project
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 12:15 +0100, Per Eriksson wrote: I'd really suggest that the information is available when not using JavaScript. Talking to Louis and getting more developers is the solution if you ask me. The problem is that there has been a shortage of developers ever since the project began and there are never likely to be enough. What needs to be considered are strategies to increase the developer resource other than keep saying we need more developers. What are the key factors that prevent developer participation? Here are a few. Perceived to be controlled by Sun Massive code base difficult to learn No progression routes for young people to learn to become developers Weak incentives to become a developer No great effort to keep volunteers that have any different views from the project controllers. There are probably many more. Until there is a systematic strategy to tackle these issues, I wouldn't expect to see any change in the developer situation any time soon. (Look at what happened with the Xara Linux project when Xara wanted to keep control and then expected volunteers to do what it wanted.) An openoffice.org foundation would likely make a significant strategic difference but this has been discussed ad nauseam and there is clearly no political will at Sun to make it so. Personally, having committed time and money to OOo in the past, this is a significant reason why I now devote little time to the project. ROI is too low and I can be far more effective in other aspects of the free software movement. I know many previously committed volunteers that feel the same way. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] [Fwd: [users] Open Source software workshop]
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 21:59 +0100, Andy Loughran wrote: +1 I do think that Ian would be the man for the job. The company I work for (www.axiomtech.co.uk) also do talks of this type. I've forwarded the message to our company's mailing list. We've worked with Ian before, and there are some mutual connections - so hopefully we can come up with a decent solution. I am happy to do this, just depends on the exact date in February. Wolverhampton is only 30 minutes from here. Regards, Andy Loughran Alexandro Colorado wrote: I think Ian Lynch would be great contact for this. Being just a few miles from Wolverhampton. Other people that come to mind are the LugRadio guys that even if they are no longer doing the podcast, Jono Bacon and his crew can really put a show on how great open source is for the education. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Cor Nouws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Forwarded from the users-list Originele bericht Onderwerp: [users] Open Source software workshop Datum: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:52:07 +0100 Van: Mall, Sabrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Antwoord-naar: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have just been looking at your website and it was of interest to my organisation. IT Futures is apart of the University of Wolverhampton and we run government funded IT projects. We are currently organising events/workshops in the Midlands for micro businesses to inform them of open source software to help them with payroll, website development and customer relationship management. I am looking at booking a venue for maximum 12 delegates in the Midlands area around Feb 2009 covering those areas. We are looking for speakers to inform our delegates of open source software in those areas and I wondered if this is something you can cater for? Sabrina Mall BA (Hons), MAIB IT Futures e-Business Adoption University of Wolverhampton Wulfruna Street Wolverhampton WV1 1SB Tel: 01902 518599 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 07800 641009 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Microsoft: OpenOffice better than Google Apps
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 17:33 +0100, John McCreesh wrote: Steve Ballmer has insisted that OpenOffice is a far better rival to Microsoft's Office than Google's applications suite http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/microsoft-open-office-a-bigger-rival-than-google-apps-476243 I wonder is he one of the over two million people who have downloaded OpenOffice.org since we released 3.0? Possibly not him personally but it would be inconceivable that MS would not take notice of OOo releases in great detail. Google apps will only become a rival if Google put a lot more effort into the Word Processor and Presentation software. The Spreadsheet is much the best component. If they did produce an on-line WP with most of the facilities of Word and Writer I think they would take a significant share of the market. Its a shame we can't do a web version of OOo - the only way I could think to make that work would be thin client logins like with Sun's Global desktop from a web browser but providing that as a free service is a tall order. It would be an interesting experiment though :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[marketing] UK Schools open source project
http://www.opensourceschools.org.uk/ OOo3 prominent on the front page -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] [Ann] Call for donation for Education and Mac OS X porting projects
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:44 +0200, eric b wrote: Hi, Several OpenOffice.org Projects have no or very limited resources, like e.g. Mac OS X Aqua port and Education Project (still incubator project). There were suggestions about setting up sustainable fund raising projects for education in the past but there has never been the will to do it. In fact in my own case I feel I was actively discouraged so took my resources to greener pastures. We are managing to sustain 5 people now but it has been a slow and painstaking process. However, it shows it is possible to develop a commercially viable business on open systems for education and we are still growing. I wish you bon chance, but unless OOo gets more organised eg like Mozilla foundation has, I don't hold out much hope. To continue the effort, like mentor students writing code for OpenOffice.org project, help developers attending conferences, or pay them expensive memberships for development (like Apple ADC, or iPhone SDK ), or even pay one skilled developer to write some new feature, they need a bit of money. For more information, please have a look at : http:// eric.bachard.free.fr/news ( and if you need more information, feel free to ask me in private ) Thank you ! Eric Bachard -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Partnership program
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:29 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: A few days back Florian mentioned the idea of a Marketplace for OOo. There has also been some talk about a partnership program. I guess I want to bring the discussion back on track. What exactly do we need to create this program. Should bizdev be the project involved. Who is part of bizdev (project lead?). Take a look at Moodle. They have a partnership programme which gives them a sustainable income. Moodle partners get rights to use the Moodle name officially in return for a small cut of their business earnings. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [marketing] Training Module
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 17:33 -0700, Rj ian Sevilla wrote: Hello guys, Can anyone point me if there's any openoffice training modules? In english.. http://theingots.org/moodle/course/category.php?id=3 You can make an account for free. Any support in making improvements is welcome. This course was devised by Gabriel Gurley in the USA, we just host it so he deserves the credit. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[marketing] Training Module
Hello guys, Can anyone point me if there's any openoffice training modules? In english.. Cheers, -- ___ RJ Ian S.Sevilla OpenPGP Keys: 4EEA3424 URL: http://rjian.blogspot.com | http://www.linkedin.com/in/rjian Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +63 926 1040559 YM: rjian_sevilla SKYPE ID: rjian_sevilla IRC nick: rjian server: irc.freenode.net Channels: #iosn #ubuntu-ph ##moss ___
