[Finale] Meta tools and Leopard
Addendum: Finale 2007b Here's a new one on me. Has anyone else had the problem of metatool assignments not being recognized under OS X Leopard, 10.5.2, using the new slim aluminum keyboard with the new Macs? The number keypad on the right does not work on my system, only the numbers across the top of the qwerty keys. Is there a setting I'm overlooking somewhere? *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Meta tools and Leopard
Here's a new one on me. Has anyone else had the problem of metatool assignments not being recognized under OS X Leopard, 10.5.2, using the new slim aluminum keyboard with the new Macs? The number keypad on the right does not work on my system, only the numbers across the top of the qwerty keys. Is there a setting I'm overlooking somewhere? *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Downwards, rolled-chord
Seeing that you're using an rather old version of Finale, try looking at the Engraver Text fontsets that install with Finale. There are several in there and you should already have them. HTH *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** On Apr 29, 2008, at 10:44 AM, M LAWLOR wrote: [Finale 2002] I cannot find a symbol for a downwards, rolled-chord, note- articulation (i.e. arrow attached to bottom of normal, rolled-chord symbol). What does everyone else do? I've encountered such a symbol so often, I thought it was fairly standard. Regards, Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] I'm back!
Great news Andrew. I know we all had you in our thoughts over the past months. God's speed to you and your family. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: This is to let everybody know I'm back on the list. I had a hearttransplant on 11/14/07, and recovery has been long and difficult. Kallisti Music Press reopened for business a few days ago, including online. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Mac 2K7 and Leopard
This was probably kicked around some time ago, but since I was still on Tiger, I spaced it. But with Finale Mac 2007, every time I quit under OS X Leopard, the program does quit, but I get the annoying dialog box stating Finale has unexpectedly quit. I remember having this issue a long time ago, maybe with Panther. But I don't recall the solution. Can anyone offer a fix? Thanks. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Mac 2K7 and Leopard
Great. Another Finale / MakeMusic exclusive feature. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: There's no fix. You can Force Quit instead of quitting normally to avoid this dialog box, but otherwise you are stuck with it. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 24 Apr 2008, at 11:06 AM, ThomaStudios wrote: This was probably kicked around some time ago, but since I was still on Tiger, I spaced it. But with Finale Mac 2007, every time I quit under OS X Leopard, the program does quit, but I get the annoying dialog box stating Finale has unexpectedly quit. I remember having this issue a long time ago, maybe with Panther. But I don't recall the solution. Can anyone offer a fix? Thanks. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Mac 2K7 and Leopard
You mean the T-shirts are all gone?!?! *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com * On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Yup. Oh, but I did receive a special offer to upgrade to Finale 2008. Woohoo. And, I received notice in the mail and email about SmartMusic's pricing going up... Great news! On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:35 AM, ThomaStudios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Another Finale / MakeMusic exclusive feature. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Mac 2K7 and Leopard
Yeah. Got it. The real thumper for me was no coffee mugs. Wait… Nah. I must be confused with something else… *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Sadly, there is NO MENTION of the T-Shirts. That is the deal breaker there... On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:21 AM, ThomaStudios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean the T-shirts are all gone?!?! *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com * ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] AudioMIDI crashing
A problem for the collective wisdom here: I am setting up a new MacPro tower, moving from OS X 10.4 to 10.5, Leopard. Trying to configure the AudioMIDI setup consistently results in the application crashing. Here's an excerpt from the crash log: Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0006ae66 Crashed Thread: 0 Can anyone shed any light on this? Hiro, you out there today? TIA J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2 note heads
Happy to return a very small favor Hiro, after all your incredible help on this list. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:51 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: ThomaStudios / 08.3.21 / 2:37 PM wrote: IIRC, say you want 2 G's, put in one G and then enter an F double sharp, put the cursor over this note, and hit 9. This was the one I was looking for. Thank you so much! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Annoying Sibelius bug
I will admit that slurs in Sibelius 5 do need improvement. Especially ties over system breaks and grabbing certain areas of the arc for adjusting. I can never find those little handles. But in the time I've been working in S5, I spend WAY LESS time mucking around adjusting slurs than I EVER did in Finale, where I always have to readjust Engraver Slurs that enter with some wild arc, no matter what settings I've applied. As for gliss lines, I've probably only used them once or twice in the last couple of projects, and I haven't run into major issues. What exactly are your output problems? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 11, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I wouldn't go so far as saying Sibelius's deficiencies are no big deal -- to name just one issue, the inability to get consistent positioning for straight gliss lines (they cannot be reliably copied, and manually adjusting them is an incredible pain -- and it's just a LINE, fercrissakes, this should not be so bloody hard) makes it incredibly difficult for me to get output that is up to my usual standards -- and my usual standards are far more modest than, say, Jef's or Johannes's. Siblelius's slurs also remain dramatically inferior to Finale's -- and that's even taking into consideration the longstanding Engraver Slurs bugs. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 11 Mar 2008, at 2:02 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Darcy, This pretty much parallels my experience with Sibelius 5. I started using it last October for simple student-related projects, and then in January for my first professional job. And most of that initial time was saying things like 'wow, that's really easy'; 'how simple it that' etc. I also spent a LOT of time poring over the manual, but once I figured something out, it obviously went much faster. I'm at the point now where I'm only using Finale for projects that start with it. All new projects are in Sibelius. On one rather large project, a Concerto for Piano and Orchestra, I couldn't believe how much easier page layout was. I estimated it took my 1/4 of the time it would have in Finale. Another project was for a client doing various music examples for an educational presentation, and that REALLY made me get into the bowels of the program and scope out a lot of things. It does have some shortcomings, but not anything that's unworkable. And at least I have faith that the developers are actually listening to me when I make a suggestion or point out a deficiency. There are a lot of things Sibelius does differently, but once you get use to them, I find it's no big deal. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Annoying Sibelius bug
John, My issues with ties over system breaks are that if you move one side, say the end of a system, the other half at the beginning of the system also moves, dependent on the first half. Same is true for moving the 2nd half. They don't seem to be independent of one another. The manual states that you can option-R or L-arrow to cycle thru the move points on the slur. The only handles that come up for me are the two ends. One frustration I've had repeatedly is when adjusting the arc using the arrow keys. No matter which key I press, the slur are ALWAYS moves down, never up, forcing me to use the mouse, which I avoid whenever possible since it's slow things down for me. Maybe I'm missing something. Also, slurs that cross staves are unpredictable. I do like the extra arc you can add to any slur to get an S-shape. That seems to be working very well. As I've said before, the shortcomings in Sibelius 5 FAR outweigh the constant irritations in Finale. I also wish MM would stop sending me upgrade notices for Finale 2008. I just got another one yesterday and they're trying to lure me in by offering a free T-shirt again. Yeah…right…that's ticket… J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:20 AM, John Howell wrote: At 8:04 AM -0700 3/12/08, ThomaStudios wrote: I will admit that slurs in Sibelius 5 do need improvement. Especially ties over system breaks and grabbing certain areas of the arc for adjusting. I can never find those little handles. As far as I can tell, you can grab them anyplace along the slur. I'm not even sure I've seen any little handles! And I've had no problems with ties OR slurs over system breaks, certainly nothing like the ugly Finale ties and slurs humping up across those breaks (which I assume have been improved, but which used to be a dead giveaway of Finale engraving). You can also adjust the default amount of curve to the ties/slurs. I haven't done it, but I found that window when I was searching for something else. John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Annoying Sibelius bug
On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: As far as I can tell, Sibelius slurs have just three control points -- in other words, you can only adjust the distance of the tips from the noteheads and the size of the arc. You can't really adjust the contour of the arc at all. This is. Not. Acceptable. Finale's slurs have five control points, which gives you *much* more control over their appearance. There's no comparison. Sibelius certainly has some areas where it is superior to Finale, but slurs are definitely not one of them. You're right, there only appear to be 3 control points, and the center one has no handle reference. I found I can grab the middle with the mouse and move it horizontally, I can change the shape, but the overall control of the shape is far less than Engraver Slurs have. Improvement needed for sure. RE: gliss lines -- first off, they do not automatically attach to the notes at they do in Finale. Well, technically, they are attached, but they are also all horizontal by default, so they must be dragged into position. The problem is that whenever you drag a control point in Sibelius, you have to drag it *really far* before it actually moves. (This is true of slurs as well.) So if you want to make a small adjustment, you have to drag the line waaay further than you actually want it, then back into the position you originally wanted. The other problem is that the opposite end of the line does not stay put when you do this -- so if you are trying to extend the left end of the gliss line down a few pixels, the right end will start doing something crazy like extending in the opposite direction. It's infuriating. And even when you get one looking the way you like it, copying it to another measure does not preserve its appearance consistently, so if you have several glisses in a row that are supposed to look exactly the same, you have to eyeball it with endless, extremely frustrating manual tweaking. I tend to use the mouse for adjusting whenever possible. With lines, and I just tried this, if I click on one end I get a handle, and then I can use the arrow keys to move the end independently of the opposite end. Command clicking will move things in larger increments, maybe 10 pixels or such. But I agree that copying and pasting should be representative of what I just copied, and it should paste in as copied. I have run into lines jumping down or up from where I was moving them, and this might have something to do with a fundamental difference in Sibelius 5 between staff lines and system lines. Frustrating nonetheless. I'm drafting an email to send to Daniel and tech support on all issues I have on my plate. Perhaps you should do the same. Trust me, they are a LOT more responsive over there at Sibelius. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Annoying Sibelius bug
Darcy, This pretty much parallels my experience with Sibelius 5. I started using it last October for simple student-related projects, and then in January for my first professional job. And most of that initial time was saying things like 'wow, that's really easy'; 'how simple it that' etc. I also spent a LOT of time poring over the manual, but once I figured something out, it obviously went much faster. I'm at the point now where I'm only using Finale for projects that start with it. All new projects are in Sibelius. On one rather large project, a Concerto for Piano and Orchestra, I couldn't believe how much easier page layout was. I estimated it took my 1/4 of the time it would have in Finale. Another project was for a client doing various music examples for an educational presentation, and that REALLY made me get into the bowels of the program and scope out a lot of things. It does have some shortcomings, but not anything that's unworkable. And at least I have faith that the developers are actually listening to me when I make a suggestion or point out a deficiency. There are a lot of things Sibelius does differently, but once you get use to them, I find it's no big deal. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: So far, it's been a real mix of gee, that's really nice, I wish Finale did that and this should not be so hard -- I can't believe how annoying and frustrating it is to do this one simple thing. Some examples of the latter would be positioning gliss lines, or trying to reduce the default bottom margin below the allowable threshold, or trying to figure out how far from the page edge a bit of Title text is, or Sibelius's insistence on using spaces and millimeters exclusively in its dialog boxes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Annoying Sibelius bug
You can change notehead from the Properties panel, very easily. You can even make new notehead shapes and they appear in this window instantly. HTH. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Just another passing question on Sib. 5 (OS 10.4.11), I want to change (edit) note heads from normal to diamonds for a Handbell score. I followed the instructions (in the Edit Note heads dialog box), I think, but so far, can not get them to change. Anyone else with the issue or solutions? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2k8: cue notes in parts but not in score?
The only way I have been able to accomplish this, using Fin2K7, is to turn on Layer 4 when printing parts and turn it off again when printing the score. It's a kludge, but it accomplishes what you want. Go to Layer Options in Finale Preferences and check or uncheck the box that says show when not active, or something to that effect. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 10, 2008, at 5:10 AM, Raimund Lintzen wrote: Dear listers, is there a way to have cue notes only in parts but not in the score? I know I could extract parts but... Any staff style solution? Thank you Raimund Lintzen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
If you're on a Mac and intend, or are already on Leopard, try Backup. I haven't used it but I did look it over at one point. Easy to setup and beyond that, Im sure it's fine. If you want to spend $$ $, go with Retrospect. They've been on the Mac for a long time, the software is bullet-proof, and very thorough to automate. I've been using it for more about 12 years. My system backs up every morning at 12:30 am without fail. I have mine setup to back up to a Firewire drive and a tape drive. I'm a bit obsessive about it, but it has saved my butt a couple of times, and I sleep really well. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 7:02 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: after doing backups manually for years -- and for that reason not doing them nearly often enough -- i am going to automate this. any suggestions? looking for something cheap to free if possible. i need something that allows as much of the following as possible: - timed as well as manual backups - different timings for different BUs - same files/folders backed up simultaneously to two or more places - reminder / alarm if BU not done within X days of scheduled BU - overwrites only necessary files thanks, jef ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
Robert, You're right, Retrospect is NOT cheap. But I seem to remember getting it bundled with a drive at some point way back, when it was known as Retrospect Client I think. At that time it was about $249. But I got it with the drive and started using it. Upgrade paths have been painle$$ AFAICR, and as I've said, I've had no issues whatsoever with it. It even reminds me when to clean my tape drive. It has handled every OS X volume I've set up, but the usual caveat applies, YMMV. I have read great things about SuperDuper, and I'm sure there are others. Plus, you're right again about Leopard, ya never know what lurks with an OS change. I'm still on Tiger. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote If you want to spend $$ $, go with Retrospect. I was so put off by Retrospect that I purposely left it off my list. I'll take your word that recent versions are better, but I think the recent versions are quite pricey, and I am unhappy about the lack of update path the company provided to me. Still, the last time I read a comparison review (a couple of years back), the reviewer claimed that Retrospect did not fully understand the intricacies of OSX Tiger volumes the way SuperDuper does. SuperDuper allows you to create a bootable copy, if you are willing to dedicate a firewire or USB-2 drive to it. (I'm not.) Instead I backup to disc images. What I like about either mode of SuperDuper, as compared with Retrospect, is that I can mount the backup image and rummage through it with Finder (in case I need to get an earlier version of a file). The version of Retrospect that I used required me to go through the clunky UI of their client, which means if some new software update comes along that is incompatible with their client, I can't access my backed up files. In any case, SuperDuper is MUCH faster than the old version of Retrospect that I was using. Of course, all bets may be off with Leopard. I haven't yet checked for a Leopard-aware version of either product. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
$800. Wow. I don't think so. Are you sure you looked at the most appropriate product for you? I just looked it up. They now call it Retrospect Desktop. Here's one place selling it for less than $100. HTH. Good luck with whatever you go with. You WILL rest easier. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:57 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: If you're on a Mac and intend, or are already on Leopard, try Backup. hi, thanks. yeh i forgot to mention i'm on 10.4, but i guess sometime should upgrade anyways... If you want to spend $$$, go with Retrospect. 800 clams. ouch. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
I am using tapes, but also a Firewire drive. Tapes may be old school, but I can recall one time when having them saved my a** big time when my Firewire drive was offsite. So I don't mind being 'old school' on this one. When I do access backups, 99 times out of 100 (or more) I'm accessing from the FW drive. You mentioned you live on a very active earthquake fault. Might I ask where you are? I lived in SmelLA for over 20 years, so I can relate. I now live in OR and just updated my homeowner's policy about 2 weeks ago to include earthquake insurance. A small amount of peace of mind, but every little bit helps. I do like the info you've been spreading around about the online site. I do intend to look at that as an additional alternative. Thanks. Like I said, every little bit… L8R J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: They now call it Retrospect Desktop. BTW, it sounds like you are using removable media for backups. (You mentioned tapes.) In my book that is old-school, and Retrospect may indeed be the best bet for that approach. SuperDuper is intended for backing up to another hard drive. These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dealing with file corruption
While I would generally agree with this, I've been learning Sibelius for the past 5 weeks or so, having jumped on their cross-grade sale back in October. And while I always have worked initially in Finale using scroll view, I haven't as yet even tried it in Sibelius. And to be honest, I'm really not missing it. I will say the method of work in Sib is quite different and that's been my first major hurdle. The one thing about their page view that I don't like is a lack of a keyboard command to go from page to page or back to the top. Maybe I just haven't found it yet. But all in all, in my quite limited exposure thus far, it's quite usable and viable alternative to Finale. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 28, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Well, I think Sibelius is now very, very close to being an easy switch for an experienced Finale user. Now that they have a scroll view was really the last glaring defect in getting stuff done in Sibelius in my view. I don't know how people worked or work in that silly pageview mode they have. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] A possible explanation and fix for the non-spacing measure problem
Beware, all you're probably going to get is we couldn't reproduce the problem here... I guess my cynicism is showing, eh? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Could you send this file on to MakeMusic? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] A possible explanation and fix for the non-spacing measure problem
Wow. A first. I'm stunned. I gotta lie down now. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: Beware, all you're probably going to get is we couldn't reproduce the problem here... If you had followed the thread just a few weeks ago, you'd know that they have been able to reproduce the problem. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] articulation collisions
You can also use the Mass Mover Tool to move around specific articulations on a selected passage. I'm not in front of Finale at the moment, but the command is under the Mass Mover menu. Something like Change Articulation. In the ensuing dialog box there are boxes at the bottom to move horizontally and vertically. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 24, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Adam Golding wrote: what's the fastest way to stop articulations from colliding? i.e. if I have both accents and staccati on some notes. dragging them all manually is clearly not the way! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying optimization
Dennis, To my knowledge, NO. Unfortunately. I seem to remember asking Tobias for this feature in TGTools, but so far no go. I've needed this capability many times and Id be grateful to anyone who has a viable workaround. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 24, 2007, at 1:59 PM, dc wrote: Is it possible to copy the optimization from one score to another? Or is there any way I can move easily staves in an optimized piece without messing everything up? I need to do two versions of the same piece but changing (among other things) the order of the staves, so I'm wondering what's the easiest way. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] QuicKeys Tip Please!
The reason the speedy entry frame opens at the second measure form the left could be that you might have the speed entry frame appearing automatically when selecting that tool. That can be changed in Speedy Options. Do you have that set that way? If so, the frame is automatically appearing and then the trigger is somehow advancing it one more frame to the right possibly as a result of the trigger. Also, did you try to change the shortcut's trigger to see if indeed that had any effect on the shortcut's behavior? I'm just thinking out loud here to help you troubleshoot. The trigger should NOT affect things from the shortcut. I can't remember offhand if QK has an option to append the trigger to the shortcut or not. If it does, I've never used it since that would be most irritating. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:23 PM, masao iikura wrote: Thanks Thomas, but ] seems to work because the speedy entry frame opens at t he second measure form the left most measure where the speedy entry frame re-o pens when it is re-called. Rather, it is queer that, in Step 4, the speedy entry frame does not move to t he cursor position whrere the double barline was put)... From the look of your QK script, the last step ] , which is your trigger, is most likely advancing the Speedy frame one bar, since that's the keyboard command for that in Finale. Try a different, more obscure trigger like maybe ' Cntl-] and see if that solves your issue. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:05 PM, masao iikura wrote: I am trying to set QuicKeys command to write a double barline and open speedy entry frame netxt to the meauser with the double barline. 1. set the cursor anywhere in a target mesure box manually. 2. click (at the cursor, then call command to open the measure tool (QuicKeys c ommands). 3. select double barline and Return (QuicKeys commands). 4. call speedy entry frame and click (at the cursor position) (QuicKeys command s). 5. Keystroke ] But that results in speedy entry frame opened at the second measure from the l eft most one, not the next frame to the previous one. Any good solution would be appresiated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] QuicKeys Tip Please!
From the look of your QK script, the last step ] , which is your trigger, is most likely advancing the Speedy frame one bar, since that's the keyboard command for that in Finale. Try a different, more obscure trigger like maybe ' Cntl-] and see if that solves your issue. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:05 PM, masao iikura wrote: I am trying to set QuicKeys command to write a double barline and open speedy entry frame netxt to the meauser with the double barline. 1. set the cursor anywhere in a target mesure box manually. 2. click (at the cursor, then call command to open the measure tool (QuicKeys c ommands). 3. select double barline and Return (QuicKeys commands). 4. call speedy entry frame and click (at the cursor position) (QuicKeys command s). 5. Keystroke ] But that results in speedy entry frame opened at the second measure from the l eft most one, not the next frame to the previous one. Any good solution would be appresiated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] spacing woes
FWIW, sometimes when working in FinMac2K7, I can't access beat handles. I've noticed this has something to do with a plugin window being open on my 2nd monitor. Usually TGT or Patterson. Closing that window solves the problem in that case. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 15, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: And beat/note handles often fail to appear when using the measure tool. I don't know if this has to do with showing defined measure numbers or not. I haven't checked it out. Is there another explanation for this? I have noticed inconsistencies with the beat handles, but I haven't been able to track down what it is related to. I will keep an eye out for this when using show defined measure numbers, and will report back if I notice anything. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Text blocks on a single part
I've done this in FinMac07. Create the text block in the score or the part, and hide it in the score. Control-click the handle for the option. IIRC, the keyboard command is Cmd-Opt-Cntl H (or maybe L). My mind is fuzzy right now. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 8, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hey all -- Working mostly in FinMac07, at the moment 08. I haven't been able to figure out, when working in a linked part, how to create a text block that appears in only the part I'm currently working on, without being created in all the other parts and the score as well. Is this possible? I've been looking in the HTML help, but can't find anything that addresses this. TIA -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Text blocks on a single part
You're right, there should be an easier way. I haven't had the need enough to find the fastest workaround, and I have found it irritating to create it, hide it, show it, and then hide it again. If I used it more, I might be motivated to explore it more thoroughly, but I've only dabbled with it, and then only out of necessity. I have enough on my hands right now keeping me from cursing the program more due to MM very user-unfriendly attitude of late. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Michael L. Meyer wrote: Thanks very much, Dennis and JD! That's what I needed to know -- I tend not to use contextual menus, though I should more often. I'd definitely speed up my work. BTW -- this method with the text blocks seems odd to me -- shouldn't there be a way to toggle back and forth (as a preference, or menu item) between created text blocks appearing in the part only vs. score and all parts? It's a PITA to create the block, then have to go through all the parts I DON'T want it to appear in, just so I can have it appear in one part only. And for certain blocks, I prefer not to do it as an expression. -- Mike On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:13 AM, ThomaStudios wrote: I've done this in FinMac07. Create the text block in the score or the part, and hide it in the score. Control-click the handle for the option. IIRC, the keyboard command is Cmd-Opt-Cntl H (or maybe L). My mind is fuzzy right now. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 8, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hey all -- Working mostly in FinMac07, at the moment 08. I haven't been able to figure out, when working in a linked part, how to create a text block that appears in only the part I'm currently working on, without being created in all the other parts and the score as well. Is this possible? I've been looking in the HTML help, but can't find anything that addresses this. TIA -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Refuses to optimize
This is another good reason to use TGTools. Not only can you manipulate staves AFTER optimizing, there is a command to Update Groups, which has helped me immensely in the past. Especially after adding a new stave while editing a score that had been previously optimized. Worth every penny it costs. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 31, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Richard Huggins wrote: Thanks to all for the helpful tips. The one below worked. Not seeing the results of optimization onscreen, I wouldn't have thought there was any sense in using Remove Optimization. I realize now that optimization can be in effect, just not be being allowed by an overiding attribute. RH On Oct 31, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: You need to remove optimization, *then* change the group attributes, *then* optimize. After optimization, any change to group attributes only affects a single system. Another, perhaps easier solution -- use TGTools Staff List Manager. - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5.1 Upgrade
David is right. They just want to see that you do in fact own Finale. I sent them an old Finale 2004 install disc that I'd never use again since it would only run under Mac OS 9, now a deprecated OS. It took about a week and they emailed my registration to me. Pretty painless. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Johan Vercruysse wrote: Hello all, Sorry for another topic about sibelius. I see one does have to give a finale serial number in order to crossgrade. Does that mean that the finale license becomes useless? greetings, Johan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users
I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The response I last got from some dim-bulb tech support dweeb was they no longer felt it was consistent or necessary with the GUI. WHAT??? I scream every time I mis-hit a key in Speedy and get this dialog. And since I sometimes type like a hooved animal, this is pretty frequent. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by default after the first time, so it would make things fast when dealing with the large number of anticipations that you get in jazz music. However, when I do that in later versions, Speedy stops listening to the MIDI keyboard while moving the extra notes, so if I have a repeated pitch I get a rest instead of a note on the next entry, even though I am still holding the MIDI key down. This caused many problems for six months or so, especially if I rarely looked at the screen while entering music. Wasn't it that very version which also got rid of the cancel button in that very dialog? Man did I curse Coda at the time, and I still do. Whoever made that design decision cannot have been using Finale much. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Strange spacing problem
Johannes, The last time I encountered no beat chart it was due to having a plugin window open, namely Robert's. When I closed the plugin window, the beat chart was visible. Could this be your situation? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I have a file where one particular measure spaces perfectly in the score, but in the part gets all squashed together. Strangely, in page view the measure tool doesn't show a lower (beat-chart) handle, whereas in scroll view it is there (and the spacing is perfect). Does anyone know what is going on? 2k7, Mac. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Daniel Wolfr wrote: Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare either skipping an '08 upgrade or switching to a competing product during this cycle? I've been a Finale user since v1.0. Yes. 1.0. I started using Finale on my first Mac SE/30 in late 1989. I remember when it took something obscene like 10-12 nested dialog boxes just to move an articulation!! But it wasn't until I finally got 2.0.1 that I started being able to use Finale professionally and more productively. That was in mid 1990. I've been using it for my own work, sessions, and clients professionally ever since. I have a HUGE body of Finale work that I've amassed over the years. So unfortunately, I can't abandon Finale completely. It's just not feasible. But I have ordered the Sibelius competitive upgrade out of frustration with Finale's 'annual subscription' model and the multitude of bugs. I'm using FinMac 2007 now, almost exclusively, due mainly to the linked parts. But the shortcomings there are frustrating. Yet I've managed to become proficient with it and I like not having to edit score and individual parts over and over and over... But I've told MM I would not be upgrading until there was significant progress on bug fixes, and enhancement of existing tools, not new features. I mean, who really gives a rat's ass about colored noteheads?!?! I average about 20-30 hours a week minimum, working in Finale professionally. I know the program very well, yet I'm constantly learning something new. The latest was 1/4 tone key signatures and the associated notation, all due to a new client project. I'd really like to see Make Music succeed, given my history with them. Alas, I'm not all that optimistic. Hopefully I'll be wrong on that sentiment. We'll see. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fingerings for Piano
On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:02 PM, dc wrote: ThomaStudios écrit: I've done the same thing using Articulations, which might be what you're already doing. But for multiple, stacked fingering for piano chords, it might work best to set up a variety of expressions by shape. You could get the spacing just the way you want. But you would have to define a different one for each combination of fingerings. I've tried this with arrangements I've done for my students, but in reality, it's a pain. I just stack up articulations using meta tools, and it goes pretty fast for me, since I'm used to it. If I have a lot of repetition of the same combinations, I use Robert's Mass Copy extensively. I also use articulations with metatools for stacked fingerings. Considering you only have five numbers, you can easily have 6 positions defined for each figure, using the numbers themselves and the letters as metatools (using the disposition of the keyboard to remember which is which). 12345 QWERT=12345 one notch lower (or higher) etc. This is much easier and faster than trying to define all the possible combinations, in my opinion. I absolutely agree. As I said it is a pain any other way. I haven't taken a look at the font she suggested, but I will once some time opens up this weekend. But I'm so used to articulations as fingerings, I don't really think about any more. I tried setting up various shapes with the more common fingerings for piano music, which I do a ton of for my students, and I gave up. Articulations were much faster and I was more used to them. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5
Well, this was the shove I needed. 50% off and you put it perfectly Bruce: same cost as upgrading to Finale 2008, which I steadfastly refuse to do. So I took the plunge and ordered the competitive upgrade. I'll report in once I've worked it into a project. J D Thomas ThomaStudios Bruce E. Clausen: I finally decided to take the plunge and invest in Sibelius 5. I may later decide that Finale is the better program, but for now I want to compare. As you may know, Sib5 is available to Finale users in a $199 Competitive Upgrade. The good news for me was that this month, October, Sib is offering the upgrade for half price, $99. So instead of buying the Fin08 upgrade I have invested in Sib. I don't think the terms will get any better. I'm still a little worried that this is a case of the grass being greener, but at this price I don't think I'll get clipped. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 5
That's been my take on it. I've been using 2007 since last year's upgrade, and have done several projects in it. My last one was very complicated, modern notation with a 1/4 tone key signature setup. First big problem I ran into was file corruption. And as is their usual sentiment, MM cannot replicate. BS. MM has their head so far up their corporate anal tract that sadly, I don't ever see them viewing the light of day again. I'll hang around to see, due to the fact that I have an inordinately large body of work for clients in Finale. So I basically have to. But I'm not optimistic. OTOH, I am starting to gear up some interest now that I've ordered the Sib5 upgrade. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Randolph Peters wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: Well, this was the shove I needed. 50% off and you put it perfectly Bruce: same cost as upgrading to Finale 2008, which I steadfastly refuse to do. So I took the plunge and ordered the competitive upgrade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the overwhelming consensus is that Finale 2008 has all the problems of 2007 and then some, without any new features that would make the pain more tolerable. (I know there are new features, but do they improve the day to day experience of Finale?) I'll wait until the first bug-fix to reevaluate buying Finale 2008. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fingerings for Piano
I've done the same thing using Articulations, which might be what you're already doing. But for multiple, stacked fingering for piano chords, it might work best to set up a variety of expressions by shape. You could get the spacing just the way you want. But you would have to define a different one for each combination of fingerings. I've tried this with arrangements I've done for my students, but in reality, it's a pain. I just stack up articulations using meta tools, and it goes pretty fast for me, since I'm used to it. If I have a lot of repetition of the same combinations, I use Robert's Mass Copy extensively. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 5, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Patricia Spedden wrote: Is there an easy way to put in chord fingerings vertically for piano scores? At present, I have to manually separate line up vertical fingerings, which is time consuming. I am using fingering metatools. Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Somewhat OT - Scanner Recommendations
A couple weeks back I posted a message here to get everyone's input on a new scanner. My old Microtek POS would never show that it was connected (even tho it was all the time), and became an unbearable source of frustration. Several here recommended Epson, among others, and I am now the owner of a Perfection V500. Doing some cursory scanning this afternoon just to get a feel for everything, including the software, and I must say my first impressions are most favorable. It's fast, the software is actually helpful and seemingly robust, and it WORKS!! Which for my previous situation, is a major plus. Thanks to all who offered their views and experience. Great advice, deeply appreciated. L8R JD *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Somewhat OT - Scanner Recommendations
You said it Dean. Hallelujah!! I've said before, to all my friends, colleagues, clients, students, etc.: when technology works - it's great. When it doesn't - well … major PITA. Let's do hope it 'lasts'. Amen brother. L8R JD On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Hallelujah ... to scan, or not to scan, that is the question. Isn't it amazing when the oft fickle mistress of technology actually smiles upon us, rather than playing her usual role of distress of technology. Beware, though, she lurks ... she lurks. Enjoy the sweet scent of her largess while it doth last. Dean On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:47 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: A couple weeks back I posted a message here to get everyone's input on a new scanner. My old Microtek POS would never show that it was connected (even tho it was all the time), and became an unbearable source of frustration. Several here recommended Epson, among others, and I am now the owner of a Perfection V500. Doing some cursory scanning this afternoon just to get a feel for everything, including the software, and I must say my first impressions are most favorable. It's fast, the software is actually helpful and seemingly robust, and it WORKS!! Which for my previous situation, is a major plus. Thanks to all who offered their views and experience. Great advice, deeply appreciated. L8R JD *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Don't worry about the end of the world, it's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Shultz ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature Issue
Hmm. This is reminiscent of an issue I've encountered many times when adding a Measure Expression. I'll click on the measure, go thru the steps to create the expression, and when I return to the score, no expression. It's actually been attached to another measure on the page, and is showing well off the page. I have to go to a 50% page reduction to even see its handle!! I really wish MM would get their act together. Finale is as buggy as it's ever been, and personally I don't see any hope of any change. Which is why I won't upgrade past 2007 until further notice. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 20, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I've seen this bug in 2007. Another way it shows is when you double click a measure in the Measure Tool to add a double bar, and it adds it in two places. THere are other manifestations, but I can't think of another right now. To the best of my knowledge, it is not present in 2008 (one of the few longstanding bugs that isn't!), but I'm off 2008 now, and so won't be seeing it there anyway. Christopher On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:23 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Sorry it's taken me so long to respond on this. But today I realized, quite by accident, that every time I attempted to change the time signature on the recalcitrant measure, it was actually changing the 4th measure way back at the beginning, even tho I was selecting the 56th measure. Hmm. I set Finale to display actual rather than defined measure numbers, and eureka!!, back in business. This piece has many, many measure number regions out of necessity. Another bug perhaps?? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:17 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I'm working in a Fin2K7 Mac file that I've been working with for several months. It was created in 2K7. I've had this problem before and can't remember how I've gotten around it: working in the score, I have a measure that steadfastly refuses to allow me to change the time signature. It's 3/2 now and every time I change it, it STAYS 3/2, no change. Anyone come across this and come up with a solution/workaround? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Somewhat OT - Scanner Recommendations
Today I reached my limit with my POS Microtek scanner and threw it out, in pieces. I've been wanting a better scanner for some time and now I'm there. So, to the collective wisdom of this list, what are some of your recommendations on scanners? I'm on a Mac, and I'd like to be able to use Firewire, USB in a pinch. I don't really need anything larger than letter, but would consider legal capability if it happened to have it. One concern is the software, but in my experience all the bundled software with scanners is crap. I'll be scanning everything from photos to music and everything in between. All advice is appreciated. Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time Signature Issue
Sorry it's taken me so long to respond on this. But today I realized, quite by accident, that every time I attempted to change the time signature on the recalcitrant measure, it was actually changing the 4th measure way back at the beginning, even tho I was selecting the 56th measure. Hmm. I set Finale to display actual rather than defined measure numbers, and eureka!!, back in business. This piece has many, many measure number regions out of necessity. Another bug perhaps?? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:17 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I'm working in a Fin2K7 Mac file that I've been working with for several months. It was created in 2K7. I've had this problem before and can't remember how I've gotten around it: working in the score, I have a measure that steadfastly refuses to allow me to change the time signature. It's 3/2 now and every time I change it, it STAYS 3/2, no change. Anyone come across this and come up with a solution/workaround? Yes, I have seen this. It appears to be garden-variety file corruption, of which we are seeing a lot more since 2007. Sometimes I can change the three measures surrounding the problem measure, then change the one before back again. Sometimes the right- click doesn't work and I have to go to the menu; other times the menu doesn't work and the right-click is the only thing that works. File Maintenance is supposed to diagnose these problems, but on my system it never works, nor does Check Fonts. If the worst happens, I can copy the contents to a fresh document and usually the problem does not copy along with the contents. I always miss some things, though, and have to go back and put in some things like double bars. Staff Styles seem to copy inconsistently, too. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Somewhat OT - Scanner Recommendations
Thanks Hiro (and Darcy), After I posted the message I came to realize the USB is just fine for my needs. Hiro, I was looking at HP's site earlier, and some of their mid-range models do look interesting. And you're right. Every HP printer I've had has been a tank, and the output has always been spectacular. Thanks for the advice, guys. JD J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 20, 2007, at 11:38 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: ThomaStudios / 07.9.20 / 1:44 PM wrote: So, to the collective wisdom of this list, what are some of your recommendations on scanners? I am no scanner expert, but I always buy/recommend HP scanners, dedicated one instead of all-in-one, and never been disappointed. Their service is quite impressive if something goes wrong. I like HP, not to mention my ancient 5MP is still kicking hard :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wishlist for Finale 2009
I completely agree with Johannes here. I haven't moved up to 2K8 and I'm not going to until the bugs are fixed. That decision doesn't bode well for me and Finale, and I know it, but so be it. I'm wrestling with a lot of file corruption in 2K7 and it's frustrating. I don't want any more new features. Just make what we have work, and work correctly. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: All I want in the next version is bug fixes. Bug fixes. Bug fixes. And that means not only the things that don't work, but also the things that seem to work, but then don't when you need them most. Engraver slurs for instance. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Time Signature Issue
I'm working in a Fin2K7 Mac file that I've been working with for several months. It was created in 2K7. I've had this problem before and can't remember how I've gotten around it: working in the score, I have a measure that steadfastly refuses to allow me to change the time signature. It's 3/2 now and every time I change it, it STAYS 3/2, no change. Anyone come across this and come up with a solution/workaround? TIA. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
OK, I got a chance finally to look at this again this morning, applying the info I got here. Thanks for everyone's input. But there are still issues. For example, this is the original layout of a measure in question: inline: ex1.jpg The client wants it to look like this: inline: ex2.jpg This 2nd example was achieved ONLY by selecting Extend beams over rests globally, and that creates some issues with the feathered beams. Using the Beam extension tool instead, created issues with the first pair of 16ths, making the 16th beam disappear, and interacting with the feathered beams at the opposite end in an unwanted way. Naturally, by using the global Extend beams over rests, created problems elsewhere in the score. For example, this: inline: ex3.jpg became this: inline: ex4.jpg And then there's an issue with showing stem stubs, which is also a global attribute, solving a problem in one part of the score and creating problems elsewhere. So, any ideas from the collective wisdom here would be most appreciated. Perhaps I'm still overlooking something. I will be starting a case with tech support at MM on this request as well. Thanks again. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: make sure to take OFF the general option: extend secondary beams over rests of course it can be done - just do what John wrote before: ONLY select 16th note, NOT 8th... good luck. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I know. But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam stub, let me know how. You can ONLY extend the beginning and end of a beam set. Try this: notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note, and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over the rest. Can't be done. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming over rests
Using FinMac 2K7, is there a way to have Finale beam over rests, NOT globally, but on a case by case basis. This has been lacking in every version, and I've just accepted that. Now a client want's a specific look and I don't see any options via the Document Options, Staff Styles, or even plug-ins, including Robert's. Any suggestions? J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: ThomaStudios wrote, on 9/11/2007 10:57 AM: Using FinMac 2K7, is there a way to have Finale beam over rests, NOT globally, but on a case by case basis. This has been lacking in every version, and I've just accepted that. Unless I misunderstand your request, you can beam over rests by placing the Speedy cursor on the rest(s) and hitting / exactly as you would with notes. If you want a partial extension over some rests, you can use the beam extension special tool. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 11:37:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The beam extention tool will do this where you want it. Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
I know. But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam stub, let me know how. You can ONLY extend the beginning and end of a beam set. Try this: notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note, and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over the rest. Can't be done. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Orchestral Cues
I use TGTools to generate cues, and it usually places them in Layer 4, altho you can specify another layer. Since I normally don't put anything else in Layer 4, I just hide that layer when printing the score. It's a kludge, but it does work. Maybe someone else will chime in with a better way, and maybe still MM will address this, altho I'm not holding my breath for that. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 28, 2007, at 6:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there a way to use the cue plug in and then hide the cues in the score but not the parts? Until now, I've always created an entirely new score just to extract parts. I was hoping this wouldn't be necessary with Linked Parts. If anyone has a good parts-creation protocol he/she would like to share, I would appreciate it. Thanks. John Armstrong John Armstrong University of Ottawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my web page at http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~jarmstro! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] Condolences to Dr. Howell....
John, My sincere thoughts are with you and your family. I am deeply sorry for your loss. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jun 25, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Friends: Besides this forum, Dr. Howell and I happen to also subscribe to public forum, in which the following was part of a message posted there: List members will want to know that after a long illness, John [Howell]'s wife, Susie, passed away on Saturday. It was a very peaceful death, surrounded byw her family. Dr. Howell, please accept my most sincere, heartfelt sympathies. Regards Noel Stoutenburg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] transposing instrument question in Finale 2003a
How about using a Staff Style. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Martin Banner wrote: I am working on an edition of an 18th Century piece for men's choir, strings, oboes and horns in several movements. I am doing all four movements as a single file. The first two movements are in Bb major, with horns in Bb. Not a problem. However, the third movement is in Eb major, with horns in Eb. Is there a way to change the transposition for this third movement only, so that the horn part is written correctly (no sharps or flats in the key signature) and also sounds correct in playback? Of course, I want to be able to go back to horns in Bb for the final movement which is in Bb major. Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Printers used
I've been using HP printers for the past 8 years or so, starting with the old 4MV, to the 5000m and now currently the 5100. I lease my computers and printers so I get a new one every 2-3 years, so I haven't encountered the wearing out issue too much. Of the 3, I thought the 5000 was the most robust. The 5100 not as much so. Like Chuck, I've experienced problems with the duplexer, especially regarding paper weight and 8.5 x 14 paper, which won't go thru the duplexer at all. My lease on the 5100 is up in May and I'll look at the 5200 but I'll also be scouting out other brands, including Xante. But all in all, my experiences with all my HP printers have been mostly positive. They are built like tanks and the output is extremely good. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:16 PM, Stephen Ellis wrote: I have learned much from the thread concerning binding. I now pose an even more basic question: What printers are recommended for your oversized pages? I would like to purchase one capable of printing larger that 8.5 x 14. Thoughts? Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 7/8
In the time signature dialog box, choose Composite time signature and type in 2+3+2 in the top LH box, and 8 in the bottom LH box. Hit OK and choose to have Finale display alternatively as 7/8. That will work. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Will Denayer wrote: Hello, I have a problem. I want the time signature to be 2+3+2/8. Is there a way I can write this in Finale? A possibility would be to write 7/8 and to divide the first measure with dotted lines, but I do not know how to do this either - and I didn't find it in the manual. Best regards, Will Send instant messages to your online friends http:// uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tuplet tool
Define the tuplet you want BEFORE entering the first note. That's the way Finale works it. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Will Denayer wrote: Hello. I am having another problem. It really bugs me. I am writing in 4/4. In one measure I want 6 quarter notes to fill the measure. So, I type the first note and then I click on the tuplet tool. When the window opens, I type that I want 6 quarter notes in the space of 4 quarter notes. I click OK. I do not know why this happens, but I can only enter 5 quarter notes (I am using simple entry). I tried it many times. Eventually, I typed in the window that I want 7 quarter notes in the space of 4 (just to see what would happen). I entered 6 quarter notes (7 is impossible). When I went to the following measure, the program fills in one quarter rest in the previous measure, so the 6 notes where written in the first 3 beats, contrary to my instructions. What am I doing wrong? Best regards, Will Send instant messages to your online friends http:// uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beam
Bob, You can accomplish this by using Special Tools. Or via TGTools Beam Breaker, but I've always found the settings in TGT too convoluted to accomplish anything without a lot of trial and error. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 7, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Bob Florence wrote: Hi All; I am enclosing a measure pertaining to the last beat. It has 32nd notes. How do I show the third beat split as it is but having the bottom line continue all the way across? I hope I made this clear. The question is more difficult to explain then fixing the problem Thanks; Bob Florence FinMac 2007a beam example.pdf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font chart for Maestro
Chuck is right on! PopChar is always in the corner of your menu bar, and when you select the character, it pastes it in place. No other interaction needed. It's one of those really indispensable utilities. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: There is a little utility called PopChar by Ergonis software ($15, I think) that comes in PC and Mac versions that I find handy for this purpose. It puts a little tab in the menu bar that accesses the font chart for any installed font. Every once in a while, I need to create something I've forgotten in Finale, or I need an umlaut or French accent. This makes those things easy. Chuck On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:52 PM, George Ports wrote: Awesome!!! Thank you so much Aaron. George - Original Message - From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu; Finale Forum Finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Font chart for Maestro At 06:25 PM 1/5/2007, George Ports wrote: Is there such a thing as a Font Chart in the Finale manual? Sure. Help | User Manual | Maestro Character Map. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Large-format laser
Nope. It's always been an option, usually indicated by a 'd' after the model number. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 28, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Also, I coulda swore the duplexer was integral to the 5100, not an extra. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Clients Requesting Finale Files
David makes some excellent points in his earlier email. I'll add one more that may or may not be an issue: Fonts. In files I've done for my clients I've used many custom fonts that I've paid for. I cannot freely give these out for obvious reasons. Without them, the client's use of the files will be somewhat limited, either forcing him to substitute other fonts, buy the fonts in question, or some other workaround. I make this clear to clients all the time when this situation comes up. Fortunately, they keep me in business. J D Thomas ThomaStudios Hamilton Greg wrote: Hello Fellow Listers, I recently had a client ask for the Finale files for many of his chamber works I had prepared. It's typically not my policy to release the original files. I'm wondering what other professional copyist/engravers are doing when faced with the same dilemma? My two primary concerns are: others using my proprietary template and duplicating the years of work and research that went into it, and the fact that once I release the files, clients have no need to use my service again for revisions, edits, etc. There's also the possibility of a client creating multiple versions of a work, all resulting in loss of business. My apologies if this has been covered before. if it has and someone can remember when, I'd be happy to search the user list archives. Thanks everyone, Greg Also, thanks to Chuck and Karen for their help so far. Greg Hamilton Music Service 2980 Corona Drive Burnaby, BC V3J 1B8 Tel: 604.444.9218 www.greghamiltonmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: LP--CD
I have experienced the same as Johannes. I have several, out of hundreds, of CD-Rs with backup files for clients. I can recall at least a half dozen times where I've gone back to retrieve something, and the disc wound NOT mount or would not read the files. Damn, floppies were more reliable in their day! Now, all my backups go to an external drive and a tape backup. So far, no failures with the tapes, knock on wood. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 09.11.2006 Phil Daley wrote: I doubt it. I have hundreds of CDs that are 10 years old or longer. I have never seen a CD fail. Well, I have, several. How old is that article? I recently heard a report on the radio about a new study (I believe this was done at the Berlin Free University, or Technical University) which suggests that CD-Rs typically fail after between 2 and 10 years. Plus, I have had CD-Rs which are unreadable due to a very tiny little scratch. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Web page sites
I switched over to www.bluehost.com earlier this year. If you pay a year or more in advance, it's about $7 a month and 50 gigs of storage. Maybe more than you need? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Hi all I am embarking on building my own web page. Currently I am on CityMax which charges 20 bucks a month with 50 MB of storage -- each additional 10MB costs another buck a month. How do these prices compare with you all? Thanks in advance Jerry Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming over rests
I have a client who is writing a piece that contains quite a bit of modern notation conventions. In one instance, he has a series of many 64th notes in one measure, with a few rests in the pattern. He wants all 4 beams showing over the rests so I can feather the beams. But Finale 2K7Mac will only allow me to do this globally, which I don't want to do. I've looked at Patterson's and TGTools to help, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best was to accomplish this look? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
Thanks Robert for the workaround. As it turned out, I discussed the issue with the client and he acquiesced to a more 'Finale-friendly' notation that I suggested. But this has come up before and will again. I keep your solution on hand for future reference. Thanks again. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Probably the easiest option is the put in the rests as notes and then change the notehead symbols to rest symbols. If you care about playback, you can turn off the playback bit on the rests using the Frame Dialog box. If the rests are other than 64th rests, you may have to insert invisible tuplets as needed, so as to keep 4 beams at all times. Depending on the rest pattern, it is sometimes possible lengthen the secondary beam stubs across the entire beam. I have longed for local beam options, either in the beam tool or as a staff style option, but MM seems too busy with other priorities to consider it. But with linked parts, these kinds of workarounds are often not compatible with both score and part views, so we may see pressure build to address the more common ones. -Original Message- From: ThomaStudios [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 02:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Beaming over rests I have a client who is writing a piece that contains quite a bit of modern notation conventions. In one instance, he has a series of many 64th notes in one measure, with a few rests in the pattern. He wants all 4 beams showing over the rests so I can feather the beams. But Finale 2K7Mac will only allow me to do this globally, which I don't want to do. I've looked at Patterson's and TGTools to help, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best was to accomplish this look? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video
Absolutely fascinating!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: If you want to see music engraving done old school, there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac PDKTools
Darcy, I have 2 versions of TGTools 2.34 on my drive. The PDKTools are both .bundles and don't show a version number, but the creation date of one is February 2005, and the other is August 2005. If either of those is what you're looking for, I can email it to you. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 20, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Okay, As far as I can tell, TGTools 2.34 is no longer available from Tobias's website, and nobody else seems to host PDKTools 2.16 for Mac. Robert, perhaps you would consider hosting it on your site? Because it doesn't look like it's available anywhere else. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 20 Sep 2006, at 10:26 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Darcy: I've downloaded and installed the latest version of TGTools, but the JW plugins (Mac) say they require PDKTools and won't run. If you are using an Intel Mac, the only way to use the JW plugins is under Rosetta. If you are using a PPC Mac (or Rosetta), you need PDKTools 2.16. This was released with TGTools 2.34, but possibly no later versions had it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac PDKTools
Thanks for the heads-up Aaron. The version created in August 2005 is 2.16. If that's what you're looking for, let me know. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 20, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:07 PM 9/20/2006, ThomaStudios wrote: I have 2 versions of TGTools 2.34 on my drive. The PDKTools are both .bundles and don't show a version number, From within Finale, pull up Plugins | PDKTools. That dialog should show you the version number. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Macro program for PC
Like Chuck, I also use QuicKeys, and I've been using it since v1.2 on Mac OS 6!! It's one utility I can't do without, despite some of its shortcomings. My Finale QK file is enormous since I make it do just about every repetitive task I come across. I also use it in conjunction with a programmable USB keyboard called xKeys. Between the two of these, I'd be severely handicapped if one or both went down. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 5, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Joao, Quickeys works on both Mac and Windows, and I have had good results with it, though programming the macros can be tedious. If you are willing to struggle through that process (somewhat difficult for me - easier for those with more computer savvy), the end results are reliable and time saving. Some time ago, a friend on the list sent me a bunch of previously created Quickeys shortcuts and macros designed to work in Finale (Mac OSX). That kindness has saved me much time. I use them every day. Chuck On Sep 5, 2006, at 12:17 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote: Hi, I was looking for a macro program for PC. It seems that iKeys is the mac standard, but it doesn't exist for PC. Does anyone has good experiences with any program? Best regards, Joao -- Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t3 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iKeys latest version
FWIW Johannes, I've been using QuicKeys 3.1 with OS X 10.4.x, and QK has never crashed on me. Perhaps something else is underlying in your case. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 28.07.2006 Robert Patterson wrote: I never got off of iKey version 1.0.7, since version 2.x was so roundly trashed in this forum. Does anyone have anything good to say about the latest version of iKey? BTW: I've been able to use iKey 1.0.7 under Rosetta on an Intel MacMini. It works because it is a stand-alone program. So I could continue to use v. 1.0.7 indefinitely. The problem is, it apparently doesn't do sequences. For various arcane reasons, I'm going to need to change some of my menu hit macros from a single menu hit to 3 menu hits in sequence, and I can't see any way to do this in iKey 1.0.7. Perhaps it is time to move up to QuickKeys. I am using version 2 (although probably not the very latest version). It has become much better in the last few .x versions, but I can't really remember what the problems were in the past. It does do sequences fine. Or am I missing your point here? For what it's worth, my experience with Quickeys X was terrible. It kept crashing all the time and turned out completely useless. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] printers
I agree with both Johannes and Christopher. I also use an HP 5100 with the duplexer, and I lease it along with my computers. I don't believe in buying computers or printers given the speed at which they turn obsolete. If you have a business that makes a living with your computer/printer, it might be looking into. The tax advantages are phenomenal. While the price of something like an HP5100 might dissuade one, consider the cost of ink over the life of the printer vs toner and inkjet printers come out way behind. That's how the printer manufacturers make their money, on ink. Plus their output seems second-rate for music. The 5100 is a tank. It takes everything I throw at it and then some. I can count of one hand the number of misfeeds and jams I've had in the 2+ years I've leased this puppy. The output is spectacular and the only drawback, IMO, is that is doesn't do color. For that I have a 2nd printer since who prints out music in color. It's really worth a SERIOUS consideration for music printing. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jul 4, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 04.07.2006 Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Who out there has his/her own printer for scores and parts. We're looking at an HP Designjet 70, which will handle both size and weight. Any thoughts? In my opinion, if you want to print scores and parts directly, get a large format laser printer, like the HP LJ 5000 or 5100. Anything that uses ink is not ideal for parts which are going to be played from. I agree with Johannes. I used an ink jet printer for a long time, and could have bought several laser printers with what I spent on ink, and also the quality and longevity of the print is far superior on the laser printer. I have an HP 5100, and it is very good, though there still are issues that I haven't worked out yet involving margins on large paper sizes. For now I adjust page margins or shift the paper feed over a bit to centre the print on the page, but there must be some arcane setting I haven't found yet to accomplish the same thing. I also still haven't worked out booklet printing, as I can't get two pages to print side by side when a LATER, discontiguous page is on the left. (like, page 6 and page 3. They print on two different pages.) I don't know if it is a Finale issue, a driver issue, or an OSX issue. If anyone has a hint there, I would appreciate it. With thick paper you won't be able to use a feed tray (I use the manual straight paper path for thick part paper) nor the mechanical duplexer (I feed the page twice) but that is a small inconvenience compared with the alternatives. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulations in piano parts
Chuck, Put them in both hands. It's not unusual for one hand to be articulated differently in the other. Assumptions be damned. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios On May 16, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have heard two opinions about articulations in keyboard parts with similar music in both hands: If they appear in the RH, it is assumed that the LH articulations are the same (my usual practice); and - put them in both hands. What is normal professional engraving practice? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question
Always put the highest altered extension on top, and go down in order. IOW: #9 #5 in one ( ) *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone - I have a song with lots of jazz chords that I've never used before and need some help in how to display them properly! For example, a G7 (#5, #9) - how can I make it display with the #5 then the #9 underneath? Like this: G7(#5 #9) (except with only 1 set of parentheses) I might have further questions as I go in this song - thanks for any help!! Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Question
You will have to go into the chord suffix library and set it up. It's a bit tedious and convoluted in Finale, but the good news is, you only have to do it once. Just save your library when finished. HTH. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 28, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote: On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:28 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Always put the highest altered extension on top, and go down in order. IOW: #9 #5 in one ( ) Thanks a bunch for the clarification! Now the question is - how do I DO this in Finale?! I mean - how do I make it put these 2 intervals in one ( ) and underneath each other? I can't figure out how to type it in that way! Thanks again! Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] {Spam} RE: expression size
Options Data Check Swap one font for another. I do it all the time. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR 97068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thomastudios.com *** On Mar 22, 2006, at 2:42 PM, josue moreno wrote: How about using SWAP FONT? sorry but, what is swap font? :$ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns) Very OT
This makes me remember a place called Miceli's, but it's at Cahuenga and Lankershim. All the waiters and waitresses sang opera, and did it very well. The food was excellent as well. ***J D ThomasThomaStudiosWest Linn OR 97068[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.thomastudios.com*** On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:If memory serves, was there not a great pizza place on Hollywood and Vine, wherein the waiters all sang operatic arias? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] changing staff name
Andrew, Update Groups in TGTools will do exactly what you need. Since your staves are optimized, nothing you do in scroll view will render in page view unless you reoptimize. Probably something you won't want to do at this point. Select the staff/group in page view using Mass Edit, and run the plugin. The only caveat I've had in the past has been that TGTools finds something in the score that makes it barf. This will bring back a dialog box that says there is one or more groups it cannot identify, and then it suggests you run the plugin again, rebuilding groups from scratch, which is one of the options. This could create other issues for your score, at least it did for me in a huge opera score earlier this year. But this will update many facets of groups and includes many selectable options. Give it a try. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Dec 13, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Dec 12, 2005, at 4:58 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: One word: TGTools Where, exactly? I don't see anything there that would apply. Others suggested changing the name in the normal way--but this affects only unoptimized pages. And to be precise, this is not actually a staff name, it's a group name: celesta. I want to change the abbreviation from csta. to the more conventional cel. --Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] changing staff name
One word: TGTools *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Is there anyway to retroactively change an abbreviated staff name throughout a score, after all the pages have been optimized, without having to change each page individually or losing the optimization? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Manager suggestions
I too would like these amenities with SLM. I am also on a Mac. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Dec 10, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: Dear Tobias, It HAS been quiet lately on the Finale list. OK, here's something that I wish for Xmas: Could the Staff Manager window be permanently resizeable? And also be responsive to the scroll wheel? When I get to the end of a piece, I spend a lot of time using this great function of TGTools, but the GUI could use a little tweaking in my opinion. BTW, I'm on a Mac. Best, Randolph ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] display time signature
Use the Measure Tool for force the time signature to show in the appropriate bars. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Nov 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Steven Gruver wrote: I'm creating a rhythm worksheet for my band students and would like to display the time signature on EVERY line. I know about courtesy time signature when you change to a different signature, but I would like to show 6/8 time on every line. How is this done? Steve Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] combining movements
There no easy way to do this, but Copy Insert is better for this than Copy Replace. Then use Patterson's Mass Copy to copy over Measure Expressions, Clef Changes, Key Sigs, etc. I've done it. It's not fast and it's a many-stepped process, but it can be done. Hopefully your separate files aren't too large. HTH. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Oct 15, 2005, at 12:33 AM, Ryan Beard wrote: Hi All, I need to easily combine movements that are in separate files into one file for easy part printing. I thought Patterson plug-ins did this, but I can't find it. Copy and replace isn't helpful either since I have to set the key and time signatures, etc. - we all know the issues. These particular files are in FinMac 2004. But I do have 2006 installed and running if that affects the answers... Am I stuck or is there hope for me? Thanks for your help ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Stem connection/notehead font
Chuck Would selecting Notehead Font under Independent Elements in the Staff Attributes dialog box fix your dilemma? J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, I'm working on an old file in which I've done something in what was probably not the best way. I needed to notate a rhythm for chords in part of a measure. There's a whole note in the measure in layer 2, hidden rests in layer one with chords attached and, in layer 3, the rhythm (dotted quarter, eighth) in the last half of the measure - a couple of lines below the staff with ledger lines hidden. So far so good. (I would now do this with a hidden staff, but I'd like to control what I already have, if possible.) The problem is that the note head font for the rhythm is Maestro, and I can't seem to reach Maestro to change the stem connections for this note head (which are now ugly). When I go in to the stem connections options, I can see Maestro Percussion, Salzedo and Chord Symbol (the last two are Bill duncan fonts), but no Maestro. I'd like to change the note heads to Chord Sym - that would be the best solution, but I can't figure out how to do that on only this part of the measure. Short of that, I'd like to get in to the Maestro font for stem connection options, but I don't see how to do that either. Any of you know what piece of information am I missing here? Momentarily frustrated. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale User Groups?
The person who runs it now is named Bonny Janofsky. I've never met her so I cannot comment on her abilities. I've never seen her on this list but the Local 47 paper, Overture, still has a reference every month concerning the meeting. It also lists her email address and maybe a phone number. I can't remember. I threw the last issue in the recycling last week. If you have access to Local 47, it would be easy to find her. HTH. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Oct 4, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Will Roberts wrote: Hey J.D., The only Finale user group that I have come across is in Los Angeles and meets once a month. I went to one meeting maybe 10 years ago and, while interesting in some ways, was not compelling enough to make me go again. IMO, the best source of Finale info is right here. Do you know who runs the LA Finale User Group? Is it somebody here on this list? Best, -WR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale User Groups?
The only Finale user group that I have come across is in Los Angeles and meets once a month. I went to one meeting maybe 10 years ago and, while interesting in some ways, was not compelling enough to make me go again. IMO, the best source of Finale info is right here. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Oct 4, 2005, at 8:29 AM, dhbailey wrote: Will Roberts wrote: Hi fellow Finalists! Apologies if this question is going over well-trodden ground, but I was just wondering whether there are any Finale User Groups anywhere in the US (or indeed elsewhere?). I read on Sibelius's web site that a group of users have recently formed a new user group in California, and it got me thinking that Finale must surely have some user groups in the US, given how long it's been around and how many people are using it. But a quick Google search doesn't reveal anything. So what gives? Are there any Finale user groups out there? Best, -WR None that I've heard of -- about the only places where Finale user groups might have a chance of gaining enough membership to survive would be the major urban centers, but I doubt there are any there. This group is the main Finale user-group that I've heard of, with a less-well-known group at groups.yahoo.com. Most of what a person needs to know can be gleaned from the experts on this list, along with reading the manuals/o.l.d. that come with the program. There are some courses I have heard of, at various colleges, but I can't recall any right off. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Definition
Did you mean D - F - Ab? You said Fb. If it is F, then it is D° or Ddim. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Jacki B. wrote: Hey, Everyone - I've gone blank this afternoon for some reason! Could someone let me know what this chord would be called: D - Fb - Ab I know it's a D diminished but can't remember if this is the regular diminished chord or a doubly diminished since it's 2 minor 3rds... Just gone brain-dead for some reason! How would this be indicated in a lead sheet for guitarists? D° - ? Thanks! Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] multi-file extracted parts
FIAndrew, My advice would be NOT to break it up. I did this with an orchestra/opera piece that was 1600+ measures and the parts were a nightmare. A deadline shift allowed me to assemble the score from 10 files into one, and the part extraction was much smoother and more reasonably sane. The client I did this for used many complicated string divisi and instruments doubled on one staff one time and split across two staves at others. I didn't even want to think about putting the parts together from multiple files. Finale handles larger files pretty well (this file for me was 3.5 megs), altho there was some slowdown when editing, like inserting measures or updating the layout from an early page. But this was a small tradeoff for the part extraction phase. Again, if would NOT break it up. Just my 2 cents. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Aug 16, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: For the first time in several years, I am working on a very large orchestral piece whose score should probably be divided into several files. Before making that decision though, I'd like to know what the current situation (as of FinMac 2K4) is as regards pasting together the extracted parts. If I extract from only the first orchl. file, then paste the rest of each part staff by staff from the other orchl. files onto the individual parts files, what information if any will be lost? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Fonts gone suddenly
I need the collective help of the list here. I restarted my computer this morning after working for a couple of hours in Finale. After the restart, all my fonts were gone, so to speak. When I open FontBook, the User collection and Classic are off and greyed out. Shit!! I've repaired permissions and will go in after this and run Disk Warrior among other utilities. The fonts are there in my home folder and in the main Library folder, but I can't turn on the collection. Any advice?? I'm running OS X 10.3.9 Thanks in advance. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tool problem fixed
Chuck, I got an email last week from PI Engineering concerning the long-standing conflict with MacroWorks for xKeys and Tiger. The recommended NOT using MacroWorks since there was a conflict with OS X 10.4, and they were working with Apple to resolve it. The email said as much that it was resolved and the software fix was on their website. I didn't know if you were up on this so I thought I'd mention it since it does relate directly to the problem you've been having and a possible solution to get xKeys working again. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, Good news/bad news. First: the problem is eliminated when I start the system without the Macromanager software that controls the X-keys keyboard. All Finale tools behave as they should. Whew! All the preference file questions, installation issues etc. turned out to be dead ends because it was an entirely different kind of problem, and none of you could have known (Hiro was on the right track when he suggested turning off Quickeys). I should have been looking more closely at the last thing that I changed before the problem appeared. I was seduced into ignoring that because the device itself was working properly, and it had taken me several hours of setting it up through a new piece of software that wasn't exactly transparent in its behavior to get it going. I like using the keyboard. It has 20 programable keys that I have set up mainly to select tools - no menu scrolling, and no mousing on a pallet, just a single push button, and you change to the tool you need. It's so quick that it even renders the selection tool a little redundant. Lesson learned: I had an emotional commitment to not looking at something that had taken so much effort to set up, and that I like having in the system. Bad news: I can't use it unless (or until) the software conflict is resolved. Many of you have been wonderfully patient and attentive as I worked through this yesterday. It may seem maudlin, but the feeling of community and cooperation the comes through on this list is palpable and holds special importance to me because we live so far from most of the community of musicians with whom I share similar relationships. Thanks beyond words. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tool problem fixed
Chuck, It may be that PI Eng. hasn't updated their site or whatever, which is egregiously strange, considering the issue. Here is a copy of the email they sent me, with a link. I haven't looked into it any further since I'm still on Panther and in the middle of another huge project. So, if it ain't broke… Anyway, here's the gist: Thank you for your patience as Apple has resolved the Tiger 10.4 issue. Apple has been very helpful in identifying this issue and has released a fix. The fix is conveniently included within the 10.4.3 update. This updated version of Tiger 10.4 should fix the problem, but as a precaution, please reinstall the Macro works software from the setup CD you received with your X-key. You could also download the Macro Works software from the following link: http://www.piengineering.com/download/MacroWorksOSX/MacroWorksOSXInsta ll.dmg Once again, thank you for your patience, if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact our tech support team. Best regards, - P.I. Engineering Technical Support Team On Aug 7, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Checked the site - apparently not. Just a warning and a note that indicates that they are working on it. If it eventually gets fixed, I'll be happy. It's only a workflow issue, not a work stopper, by any means (though I wasted most of yesterday stewing over it), and this kind of thing usually gets resolved. Can't imagine that PI engineering can afford not to solve the problem, or they lose too many sales. Chuck On Aug 7, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 07 Aug 2005, at 3:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Thanks so much. I'll look there. Since I just got this smaller X-keys keyboard, and it shipped with what I thought was a current software CD, I had assumed it was up to date. Hey Chuck, As I told Dean earlier, I *never* install a device driver from the CD without checking the vendor's website for a more recent version. No matter how recently you bought the product, there is almost always a newer version available. This is especially true when you are running a recently-released OS, like Tiger. Hopefully there's an update that fixes your problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Whole measure rests
One way would be to create a tuplet for 2 half notes in the time of 3 eighth notes. Select no number or bracket to show, and then enter a half note into the score, back up via the arrow key, and change it to a whole rest. It's a bit of a kludge, but I've done it many times to force a whole rest to show in just these situations. BTW, add this to layer 2. HTH. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios On Jun 24, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Levin wrote: I have a question about parts and scores. I know the long way to fix this, but I'm wondering if there is a short way. Specifically, I'm writing an orchestral score that has, of course, two parts per woodwind line. There are times when it alternates between one part playing and two, so I keep the parts separate. For example, the first part may play continuously, but the second part may play only every other measure. For this I'd keep the first part stems up, but the difficulty lies in the second part where there is nothing in the measure. I'd like to show the whole measure rest in the second part. But this part of the music is in 3/8 time. That means forcing a whole measure rest (and dealing with the annoying dialog box reminding me that I've put too many beats there). Then, of course, extracting parts (first with TGTools) is problemmatic, since I now have real rests instead of the Finale make-believe rests (I forgot what they're called), which botches up multi-measure rests. I know that if I could just deal with a score with no rest in the second part, or alternate putting in a 1. designating the solo part, my problem is solved, but that's not the way scores are done (I'm speaking of fairly rapid alternations of solo and duet parts, not when a solo part plays for longer stretches). If I put in real whole measure rests, then I must find them all when it's time to prepare individual parts. Am I missing something? Is there a way with Finale itself or a plug-in that will help me here? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT - Word processors for OS X
Once again I'd like to tap the collective wisdom here on the board. What is everyone's recommended choice for word processing under OS X. I would like to rid myself of Microsh*t Word 2004, which steadfastly refuses to create a printer on my system. All the other Office components will print, but not this POS Word, the one I need to print the most. I tried NeoOffice but it's way to much like Windoze for my tastes. Another one, Mellel is crap. Seems my choices are quite limited and TextEdit doesn't do enough for my needs. TIA J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Word processors for OS X
Thanks Darcy (and the others who chimed in). I actually didn't know about Pages, but will check it out. You also brought up InDesign, which I own vCS2. I didn't even give that a thought. Ah, there's hope for me yet! Thanks again to all who responded. J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Jun 12, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Pages is great, and inexpensive, but it definitely takes some getting used to. It helps if you're familiar with InDesign, Quark, etc, since Pages is actually more of a baby desktop publishing app than a traditional word processor. It's especially good for mixing text and images. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Jun 2005, at 4:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Pages, part of iWork. Great word processing program. ThomaStudios wrote: Once again I'd like to tap the collective wisdom here on the board. What is everyone's recommended choice for word processing under OS X. I would like to rid myself of Microsh*t Word 2004, which steadfastly refuses to create a printer on my system. All the other Office components will print, but not this POS Word, the one I need to print the most. I tried NeoOffice but it's way to much like Windoze for my tastes. Another one, Mellel is crap. Seems my choices are quite limited and TextEdit doesn't do enough for my needs. TIA J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Word processors for OS X
I did some superficial research on this, and about I could find out was that they haven't updated anything for the Mac in about 3 years or so. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Jun 12, 2005, at 2:33 PM, dhbailey wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: Once again I'd like to tap the collective wisdom here on the board. What is everyone's recommended choice for word processing under OS X. I would like to rid myself of Microsh*t Word 2004, which steadfastly refuses to create a printer on my system. All the other Office components will print, but not this POS Word, the one I need to print the most. I tried NeoOffice but it's way to much like Windoze for my tastes. Another one, Mellel is crap. Seems my choices are quite limited and TextEdit doesn't do enough for my needs. Is there a Mac version of WordPerfect? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Word processors for OS X
Thanks Karen. I'll check that out as well. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On Jun 12, 2005, at 5:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi J.D., There is another nice word processor program called Mariner Write that a lot of people seem to like. It works in Tiger too and you can download it and try it first. It will read Word documents and save to RTF-Word files. It runs about $50.00-60.00 depending on whether you buy a boxed copy or download it. But you can download it and run it in demo mode first to try it out. See what you think... http://www.marinersoftware.com/sitepage.php?page=12 Best, Karen Once again I'd like to tap the collective wisdom here on the board. What is everyone's recommended choice for word processing under OS X. I would like to rid myself of Microsh*t Word 2004, which steadfastly refuses to create a printer on my system. All the other Office components will print, but not this POS Word, the one I need to print the most. I tried NeoOffice but it's way to much like Windoze for my tastes. Another one, Mellel is crap. Seems my choices are quite limited and TextEdit doesn't do enough for my needs. TIA J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note Moving
Note Mover, Delete after Replace or Merge should do it. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com *** On May 14, 2005, at 6:14 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi - Is there an easy way to move a note or group of notes from one clef to the other? I'm working on a piano part that's split point moved around a lot, so I now have several notes in the treble that need to move down to the bass. Is there some way of doing this without just deleting the note from the treble and putting it manually into the bass? Thanks! Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
