RE: The List !
This message is from: Gail Russell RON AND SHERRY. Join Fred Packs Fjord Issues yahoo list. There is another list. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Ron Dayton Date: 12/26/2015 8:41 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Fjord Herald Editor Cc: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com, fjordfam...@gmail.com Subject: The List ! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Friends made
This message is from: Gail Russell I have Gunthar, 26; Romulus 20, Odin 16, that I bred, plus Two Rivers Adeline, whom I gave to a riding school, but never transferred title, plus two Foundation QH that are 25 and 23. Yes, we shocked you by deciding to use up a free Alaska Airlines trip to go to Fairbanks for the weekend just before the tickets expired. Went to the Fairbanks Fair and to the Chen Hotsprings, which I gather have been renovated. We bought hats ...wild ones, that I still have. Yes, I remember arranging to room with you in Libby and buying Rom due to your encouragement. Gail Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: jern...@mosquitonet.com Date: 12/25/2015 1:19 AM (GMT-08:00) To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Friends made This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Yes, Gail, I met you through the list: Remember when we went to Libby together? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Friends made
This message is from: Gail Russell As a result of the list. Karen Mccarthy, Beth Beymer, Sandy North, Jean Ernest, Brigid Wasson. In fact Karen and I are, as we speak, working out a plan to go to the Rose Parade to march with a giant statue of Bernie Sanders. And I just got back from visiting Karen ' s place in Madras Oregon. And I still have a warm insulated coverall from Robin Churchill that she gave to me when she moved to Florida. I still have three Fjords. One 27, then 20 and 14. And a bunch of frozen semen that I need to pass on, if anyone is interested. Not riding much anymore. It has been a wonderful ride. Gail Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Michele Noonan Date: 12/23/2015 11:25 PM (GMT-08:00) To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #99 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Thanks
This message is from: Gail Russell What is the Fjord horse list on facebook. Please. A link. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Don Brown Date: 12/22/2015 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00) To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com Subject: Thanks I belong to a fjord horse list on facebook as well. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Farewell /alternative
This message is from: Gail Russell I belong to my local Grange, and, like all Granges, there is a "Lecturer" position. The Lecturer position's duties include providing educational content. I suppose we might be able to bring back some of the list relevance by adopting a rotating responsibility amongst old timers to make some kind of presentation each month on horse care, or how to buy a kids' horse (hint, Fjords may not be it). An idea for Fred. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Farewell
This message is from: Gail Russell When does the subscription run out? I am most great full to the list. I do hope Fred will keep his going. I use facebook now, but it is not a great substitute. I would appreciate knowing the Fjord facebook pages people are using. Thank you Steve. (Did you ever find your new Corgi? Gail Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Frederick Pack Date: 12/21/2015 9:14 AM (GMT-08:00) To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Farewell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord Coloring Books
This message is from: Gail Russell The funds are rolling in. Jean, I will have to call you to hear about your adopted grandkids! Gail On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:00 PM, wrote: > This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com > > > I just ordered of each: i of each for me, and the others for my > adopted grand kids! > > Jean in Alaska, +23 today and 7 hours daylight! > > On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 14:08:25 -0500, Kay Van Natta wrote: > >This message is from: Kay Van Natta > > According to Amazon my Fjordish coloring books are in the mail! I am > waiting (crayons in hand) by the mailbox. > > Kay Van Natta > Yellow Pony Farm > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Dave and Patti Walter wrote: > > > > This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" Just wanted to share > > with everyone, 2 wonderfully illustrated Fjord Horse > > Coloring Books that have just recently been published on Amazon. Created > by > > Patti Jo Walter, Illustrated by the very talented artist, Pat Holland. > They > > were created for my riding students. I wanted to help them learn > terminology > > in a fun way. They were so well received that I decided to share them > with > > the world! So.. these books are not just coloring books, but educational > > books as well. They are for youth and adults and for those that know Pat > > Holland's work, are filled with great wit and humor! Here are the links: > > http://goo.gl/IKdemN for book 1 and for book 2 http://goo.gl/QFwi33. > They > > are also very Affjordable at $6.99. Patti Jo Walter > > Francis Creek Fjords > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: welcome
This message is from: Gail Russell > Welcome Jeanine, congratulations from the West Coast as well. I have Ws > Romulus, Odin (not registered, my bad!), and Claylee's Gunthar. I have WS > Romulus. > I was always a fan of Julie Will's horses, and I know Tira's sire, Erlend, quite well, having seen him at Libby and at other Fjord events. I bet she is a nice horse. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Incredible LORENZO
This message is from: Gail Russell Loud and clear. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #77
This message is from: Gail Russell I realized later today that, had Brian been driving a car, he could not have gone up the bank. He was lucky he was driving four-legged geniuses. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #77
This message is from: Gail Russell This was not a horse related accident. If Brian had been driving a car, he might now be dead! The truck was heading straight for an oncoming vehicle. And was equivalent to a hit and run.. Brian, when you catch your breath, and, hopefully, the injured horse improves, is it possible to go up the road to the logging show and figure out what logging "show" the truck was serving, and then sue that company in small claims court? They might rat out the driver as well. > Brian, > > So happy to hear that it didn't turn out worse than it did. The world is > full of idiot motor > vehicle drivers who just have no clue as far as horses are concerned. > > Bill and Norma Coli. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
SKYLAR
This message is from: Gail Russell It is so hard losing an older, faithful buddy. Especially when Fjords tend to be so healthy and look so young. I have 19 and 26 year old Fjords, and they both look younger than all of their younger counterparts. I am so sorry Laurie. We hope another lovely Fjord finds you soon. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Conformation/Disposition-some American History-shortened.
This message is from: Gail Russell > OK..I have a whole bunch of horses, several of whom have been trained to > levels that they would look great on a performance test. But, the real > proof in the pudding is that there are two horses whose temperaments stand > out, even if they are not being intensively trained. A Fjord gelding, and > a QH gelding, with the latter being much better than the former. When you > really see temperament, is when working with a horse in the stable, or with > a horse that has not been touched for months. When not touched for > months, the Fjord gelding is still the sweetest horse we have, loving > cuddles and hugs, and never (well, almost never) barging over his handler > or someone coming into a stall. However, that gelding will bolt...out of > the blue...even when you surprise him walking up onto him in a pasture. He > probably has vision problems of some kind. The QH gelding is good all the > time, no matter how long he has been left untouched. > Since we cannot have stallion stations, one could, I suppose, demand some kind of mini-performance or handling test be done after the horse has not been intensively trained for 30 days. Like starting out anew. I bet it would reveal a lot. > > Then arrived the discussion of how to combine the Conformation portion > with the Disposition portion? Soon became clear that each was separate but > equally important. Conformation became its own entity with its own American > score sheet. Still used today with some adaptations. Disposition was then > added into the Performance Tests of Riding, Driving, and Draft. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord Digest--white markings
This message is from: Gail Russell > ORmaybe the reason I am paying $300 a year to maintain an estimated 10 > foals-worth of semen from WS Romulus, with no plan for using it. While his > genetics are widely available, and he is linebred, there might be something > to be said for maintaining his genetics that are further up the family tree. > Is it FairAcres Ole who may be gelded this spring if no one steps forward to keep him intact? I gather he is valuable for his disposition, and leaning toward the drafty side. Should a breed philanthropist be sought to get his semen frozen and preserved if no one plans to keep him intact? Gail > That is one of the reasons that I am keeping several stallions intact, > keeping a variety of lineage available...though at a substantial cost to > us in upkeep and physical work! > BethStarfire Farm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: [Bulk] re: decline in Fjord foaling numbers
This message is from: Gail Russell > The term "quality" can mean different things to different people. Perhaps > we're overdue to > redefine exactly what it does mean.. in the scope of long term breed > survival; being certain that we're > not inbred painting ourselves into a genetic drift corner of homozygosis. What this argues for is "different people" so you can get "different horses." Like, people who still farm with Fjords, or people who want therapy horses instead of forward dressage horses, or people who want short horses as children's horses, or people who want caisson horses for military burials at Arlington (the Rose Parade is nothingnow there is a project!...to displace the Percherons...we've already got the uniformity, plus a military buzz cut, and a much crisper look). Gail (who clicked her three little dots dutifully, and thought, just for a moment, that she saw flash by the words, "click here so Steve will draw and quarter you, thank you from your friendly Google staff." Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: hay nets
This message is from: Gail Russell Be aware that you could consider taking a 150 gallon Behlen's water tank (plastic...6 feet long by 2 feet high by 2 feet wide) and installing the tank in that. I think I paid $185 with tax for mine (locally). You have to drill out the sides. It works pretty well, and may be considerably cheaper than their plastic feeder, depending on your calculated shippinig cost. Theirs has legs, and is definitely preferable for horses that have shoes. We tied ours to a pipe panel fence. Due to the rounded ends on the tank, it may be slightly easier to put a full bale in their plastic feeders. The netting does appear to be indestructible. I have had to do a little of mending to Cinch Chix netting, but that is probably due to the way I have mounted them on the bottom of barrels in that it motivates to grab and swing them. Have become good at netting knots using parachute cord. The horses are horrified when they come back and find out what I have done. We have been feeding horses once a day for some time. While they still probably go 8 or more hours without food at night, they seem to be happy, and have had no colic incidence since, whereas I had had two episodes of colic in older horses before (dehydration related, on early winter days when it is cold at night and warm during the day). Now I am going to tend to my three dots to delete the last message, like a good girl. By the way, if anyone does not know how to delete old messages from a cell phone, there is an easy way to do it if you get someone to show you how. Gail > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Gail Russell wrote: > > > This message is from: Gail Russell > > > > > > Hmm... Very, very interesting. I have resorted to the Happy Grazer nets > to > > get the best slow down thus far. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: hay nets
This message is from: Gail Russell Hmm... Very, very interesting. I have resorted to the Happy Grazer nets to get the best slow down thus far. It seems to help that the hay is not in a hanging bag that they could otherwise shake and pull on (and tear holes in). However, the Happy Grazer is harder to load than flipping hay into some "barrel-funnels" ( topped and tailed 35 gallon plastic barrels (to which the hay nets are attached on the bottom). Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: decline in Fjord foaling numbers
This message is from: Gail Russell So...you got the so-called "trimmed content" as a repeat of the previous message? I was unable to see the offending "non-trimmed content," but I gather you could. In which case, one has to go to the trouble of deleting it, even if it is labelled as "trimmed content." Counterintuitive. Gail This message is from: Steve McIlree âWRONG!!! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: bring it back
This message is from: Gail Russell Hi Sarah, Your message came through just fine, however my gmail spam filter has been grabbing almost all messages from the FJord list, including yours, which I just retrieved. Now that I have replied to it, I think my spam filter may recognize you. Looks like you have not been banned. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: decline in Fjord foaling numbers
This message is from: Gail Russell gen·o·type ËjenÉËtÄ«p,ËjÄnÉËtÄ«p/ *noun* BIOLOGY 1. *1*. the genetic constitution of an individual organism. *verb* 1. *1*. investigate the genetic constitution of (an individual organism). "the person appointed will be responsible for maintaining and genotyping many different lines of zebra fish" So...what about dog breeders who are doing genetic testing for everything under the sun, while preserving the phenotype that wins them ribbons. Would that work? (I think I remember you saying once before, "NO," because we cannot test for a broad enough set of genetic markers? Gail On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:08 PM, ruth bushnell wrote: > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > > > ...<>...Ruthie, how do we follow the path you are talking about having > huge numbers > of horses that are physical or temperament disasters? Seems like the best > idea would be to bring back the sausage factory down the street, as they > have in Norway ?...<> > I do not think our economy will ever again allow massive > numbers of horses to be bred and live long lives, no matter their quality. > It does seem like a culling system is in order. Ruthie, do you think the > old Norwegian culling system would have worked...with maybe more emphasis > on temperament and working ability, and less on good looks and perfect > conformation. <> > > Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com > > > > > WE PROBABLY shouldn't go there, to the sausage topic, hah. > > Now this is sacrilegious, no doubt, but more than likely proverbial Norway > knew less > about maintaining a genetically balanced gene pool than we currently > appear to know today. > In fact, much of our misguided breeding dogma came on down from that era. > > Of course it will be argued that they have done a splendid job of bringing > our beloved Fjords > down to us today, and while this is true, they could have done better yet > in preserving all original > blood strands, had they been given the same genetic technology that we > have available to us today. > > Through DNA mapping and professional genetic breeding schemes, we could > advance the breed > survival expectancy far beyond the hapless course we are set upon > today--that of selective > breeding for phenotype only without thought for future genotype, and the > breed's long term > survival through genetic diversity. > > Ruthie > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: decline in Fjord foaling numbers
This message is from: Gail Russell Ah, yes. I assume there is the same problem with Pembroke Welsh Corgis as they begin to select carrier and DM gene free dogs. (Degenerative Myopathy, I think). Ruthie, how do we follow the path you are talking about having huge numbers of horses that are physical or temperament disasters? Seems like the best idea would be to bring back the sausage factory down the street, as they have in Norway ? I do not think our economy will ever again allow massive numbers of horses to be bred and live long lives, no matter their quality. It does seem like a culling system is in order. Ruthie, do you think the old Norwegian culling system would have worked...with maybe more emphasis on temperament and working ability, and less on good looks and perfect conformation. (The other thing to think about is that horses are living a long time, and a conformational defect is now living on for 15 to 20 years in an Adequan-laced pasture pet ...instead of being euthanized. Ask me how I knowwith the $50 a month maintenance dosed 25 year old QH in the backyard who has always had bad hocks due to being post legged, plus an early roping history. By the way, my vet says that the dirty little secret about injectable Adequan is that, in many horses, it does not last a month.) I have an interesting story about genetic selection in horses. Ever heard the phrase "crazy Paint Horse?" A friend was telling me about her aunt who allowed her horses to run free on BLM (or possibly, Forestry) land. The woman raised Paint horses and sold the foals for good money. She would just go out and collect the foals in the early winter and raise them up a year or two more and sell them. Well, BLM/Forestry was having problems with protected mountain lions in California getting into trouble. They would trap the troublemakers, and then turn them loose on the woman's grazing ground. Pretty soon, she started losing foalsbut not all of them. The nutty ones with the short flight distances were surviving because they bolted when they saw something moving in the bushes. Pretty soon, all of her stock was trending toward nutty Am trying this WITHOUT hitting the 3 little dots. My "dot section" at the bottom of the e-mail indicates that what is behind it is "trimmed content." I think this means that I do not need to trim that unless I want to add some of the old content to my reply. We will see. Gail On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:06 AM, ruth bushnell wrote: > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > > > This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" > The article stresses > 'Quality is better' and you can do so much with two or three good quality > mares, bred to the best studs. This article was written by Lynn Weishaar, > who is a rancher and auctioneer. ... Mary Ofjord > > > The downside of that (quality) mindset is that directional selection is > based on line-breeding.. > which is just plain old fashioned in-breeding.. which long-term results in > health anomalies; > reproduction issues and compromised immunity. (to name a few) > > Who would be the best judge of "quality" offspring.. ? > > Why, a genetic diversity professional of course. > > Yes, it's the same old song from this corner.. I am more convinced than > ever that our > priorities have been skewed by the horse world--the Horse Fancy, the show > world; > those policies and entities which are espousing an archaic ideology of > eugenics. > > The more common FJ stud might very well be of more value in genetic vigor > than the > over priced stud which has been created through line-breeding. (don't > forget it is the > matador stud which has ruined some breeds) > > The science is there for anyone to see, that smaller breeds are "hell > bent" on self-destruction, > be it dogs or horses, through selectively reducing their gene pool in the > name of "quality." > > Ruth Bushnell > NW MT US > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hello everyone!
This message is from: Gail Russell > The wonderful thing about the list is that I remember when Tish was > contemplating her move and selling Elph. Several people, piped up that > there were horse facilities in the San Francisco Bay area, which I think > may have facilitated Elph's move. The problem with Facebook is that I do > not want that many "friends." A few is fine, but not the numbers that > there are on this list. > Since we are all getting older, a lot of the list's utility has been to help people with life transitions. In fact, I am now faced with a diagnosis of osteoporosis, and am struggling with the medical system to define a management plan so that I do not have to do what is first prescribed, which was, "go on drugs, stop doing anything risky, don't worry about the horrific side effects." While I may have to go on drugs, and cut back on some activities (I am thankful that I bought an AIRVEST for riding), I think this is not the sentence the doctors originally gave me. I am working with a woman in the East San Francisco Bay Area who is a doctor who was in a similar position..with a similar diagnosis, and an addiction to roller skating! Will keep the list posted on what I find out, as it is appearing to me that conventional treatment of osteoporosis is so heavily reliant on drugs that there is not a measured approach that involves careful management guidance along with timely usage of drugs. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #10 REQUEST
This message is from: Gail Russell With GMAIL, one does not necessarily see the previous verbiage when pressing "reply," but, if you have your system set to include the previous message I THINK it comes along, but you do not see that it is being included, so do not realize a need to delete it. For this message, I opened up the three TINY little dots below the blank space in my freshly started reply, and found Steve's message. I erased most of it. I THINK, had I not done that, and been unaware that the reply was set to include previous messages, that Stee's entire message would have been attached. As I understand it, it is easy not to know that you have a problem with extra verbiage being attached. The dots are tiny! And dim. Google is hopelessly minimalistic. Gail On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Steve McIlree wrote: > This message is from: Steve McIlree Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Bogie
This message is from: Gail Russell I am so sorry to hear Bogie left for the Rainbow Bridge. Your message ended up in my spam folder, along with a lot of others from the list (apparently Yahoo says there is something wrong, but they are fine), or I would have replied sooner. We will all miss your wonderful stories about Bogie and Braveheart together, but look forward to more about Braveheart and...I think you have a new filly? Gail On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM, owner wrote: > This message is from: owner > > > Hi Everybody, > I am so sad to have to report the passing of my much loved Bogie > pony. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: bring it back
This message is from: Gail Russell I prefer the list as well. I use Facebook, but dislike the public nature of it for some things, and find it does not allow for the same kind of conversation. I have not been doing a lot with my horses, but recently signed up for Alexandra Kurland's online Clicker Training course, which also includes a private e-mail list and the availability of coaching via videos, Skype or personal visits. I need help with a Fjord who has learned how to pull away, and another who is, and always has been spooky. Coincidentally, a friend recommended some books about mindfulness practice about having "Buddha's brain." SEE http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=buddha%27s+brain I realized that I could probably use clicker training to help a horse do his own mindfulness practice, which had certainly never occurred to me before. I have been following the Equine Cushings list for years, and became convinced that proper nutrition is way more important than we realize and that, if we can make insulin resistant horses better with careful attention to nutrition, and, particularly, to mineral intake, we ought to be able to do that with people. That, in turn, has led me onto a whole foods, plant based diet that is much, much more mineral rich (and balanced) than the MyPlate-approved Standard American Diet. It is extreme, by most people's standards, and it is exceedingly difficult to eat out (impossible, actually) and stick to the diet, but I feel better. And, in an effort to make the diet palatable, I have launched a major creative cooking effort. This is hugely revolutionary in my life, as I hated, hated, hated cooking when I was younger, and spent several years in mid-life subsisting on popcorn! Am trying out a MacPeeWee bit on my horses. Jury is still out. Am taking my Pembroke Welsh Corgi to agility practice, and have started Barn Hunts (for strategically placed rats in PVC tubes) with her as well, and am thinking of starting Nosework. And, I have two Orthoflex saddles available for sale. One is a unique boar-s hide one, and one is a standard roping saddle...one of the originals. I also have a unique, custom made western saddle that is made out of rich bridle leather so it is lightweight. It is 16 inches, with short, turned stirrup leathers. I determined it did not fit me right, but I have to say that the seat is very secure, it is pretty, and I love the lighter weight. And, then, there are always things to do to actually support all the food and animal related spending. As I recite all of this, it is interesting how the horse related things weave in and out of my other obsessions. Gail On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Carol Makosky wrote: > This message is from: Carol Makosky > > > Good Morning all, > Last chance to view some magnificent black horses in all their splendor, > email me private. Let's bring the old "List" back & if Steve will allow it > even post small items not related. > Here's my start. > I'm loving our break in the winter days & have used this spring like > weather to scrub & bleach the stock tank so my Fjord can have clean water. > I also throw a small handful of barn lime in to help with the PH & keep the > green stuff at bay for a short time. Sun. was get another load of 10 or so > bales of hay from storage and we are all set for the next month or so. Now > to get that flopping mane clipped before it gets too shaggy. > > Who's next? > > -- > "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." >R.B. Cunningham Graham > > Built Fjord Tough > Carol M. > On Golden Pond > N. Wisconsin > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Congrats Kay!!!!
This message is from: Gail Russell Yes...how fun. And I love seeing Elph ensconced in Woodside. I will try to go visit sometime. :) On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Tish Pasqual wrote: > This message is from: Tish Pasqual > > > I am SO JEALOUS of you . . . a 5 month old, a girl, what a BLAST! > > I once bought a baby horse too, and now he is 17 years old. I wish I could > start all over again with a sweet baby, I'd be a better mom now, although > he didn't turn out too bad! > > Enjoy, enjoy! just don't let her become the boss of you!!! > > Tish (in SF) and Elph (in Woodside) photo now on the official NCEFT > website: http://nceft.org/about/our-horses/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Test...are my messages reaching the list
This message is from: Gail Russell I may have been banned because I do not know how to delete old messages when I reply from my phone. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: RIP Gustav
This message is from: Gail Russell Reena, Thank you for posting to the list. I am so sorry, and would love to hear about your adventures with Gus. There are actually quite a few lurkers here, who much prefer the list to Facebook, but I guess we do not have a lot to say lately. Gail On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Mary Ofjord wrote: > This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" > > > Reena - > > 30 years is a wonderful long-full life. You took very good care of him up > too the last day. I, too, lost a wonderful horse to torsion colic, but he > was only half Gustav's age. > "The Memories in Your Heart Will Last Forever" > > Mary Ofjord > North Coast Services, LLC > 218-387-1879 > > > > This message is from: Reena Giola > > > I am not even sure if the list is still up and running but just in case I > wanted to let everyone know that Gustav (Gus, Gussers - out of Karen > McCarthy's Sven) is now running free across the rainbow bridge. > > 5/14/1984 to 9/18/2014 > > > Reena Giola > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2014 #139
This message is from: Gail Russell Sadly, to me, things have gone to facebook. Not exactly sure where. I do keep an eye on the list but did not see the post of yours referenced above, Amy. Gail Russell On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Windago wrote: > This message is from: Windago > > > Amy, the list has been very quiet with only one or two messages when it > comes to my inbox. I don't know why you aren't receiving messages but > there is not nearly the traffic and posting that was here just a few years > ago. I know some of the members have passed away that posted frequently > and I hate to see you go. I have one of your dad's stallions babies and she > is now...YIKES.14 years old. > > Teresa F in MO > > > This message is from: Amy Evers > To all the friends I've made over the years that I've had fjords, I want to > say that I'll miss you! > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Gelding for sale
This message is from: Gail Russell I live in Sonoma County. My next door neighbor boards horses and does a good job for a very reasonable price. Only hitch is that the horses are out on grass 4 days a week. If you have an insulin resistant horse, that will not work.. There is no drama at this barn. Everyone cooperates in keeping an eye on each others' horses and in doing little tasks around the barns. I also know of another place that costs upwards of $400 a month that puts horses out on grass all day, although I do think there might be a drylot as well. Irrigated grass. My friend, who used to manage barns, says it is the best run barn in Sonoma County because the horses get individual, eyes-on attention from the owner every day.. Are you moving into San Francisco, proper? Gail Russell, Forestville CA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Dressage Driving of Fjords
This message is from: Gail Russell Can someone please send me Phillip Odden's post referred to here: Unfortunately in Europe one of these types is quietly disappearing due to consumer demand. As Phillip much earlier said---Need begets Type!! The Fjord world in the last 100 years has come full circle and is coming back to its original self. I cannot seem to find it. GAil Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Fwd: On the trail again...
This message is from: Gail Russell -- Forwarded message -- From: Outfitters Supply Date: Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM Subject: On the trail again... To: g...@zeliga.com *Outfitters Supply* *Essential Gear for the Trail...* Just like you, we enjoy escaping to the back-country with our horses and mules. We have field tested and regularly use the equipment that we offer here and we routinely introduce new products to better meet the needs of trail riders, packers, horse campers, and outfitters. *Our Favorite (and Lovably Crazy) Lady Long Rider is on the Trail Again!* Russ hauled Bernice and her two Norwegian Fjord horses, Essie Pearl and Montana Spirit, from Columbia Falls, Montana over Logan's Pass to East Glacier early last month. Since then, she's been heading east on her new adventure. You can see what she's using for gear below. This latest trip will take her at least two, and possibly two and a half years, and will cover around 8,000 miles of trails and roads in the northern US and southern Canada. Bernice will not be sticking to a set course as her route changes according to weather, traffic, horse health, and trail conditions. However, the plan is to arrive in Maine before winter sets in. Once at the Atlantic Ocean, she will hunker down for the worst of the winter weather and then head northwest. Her return journey will take her through Canada to the Pacific Ocean near Vancouver, then back home through Washington and northern Idaho to Trego, Montana. This year she has decided to leave Claire Dog home with friends, as she's just getting a bit too old to travel, even though she rides far more than she walks. We'll see if Bernice makes it through even a few months without finding another sweet puppy in need of rescue! In the past month and a half, Bernice and her girls have walked through lots of rain and wind to North Dakota, about 650 miles. All three seem to be in high spirits, feeling good, and are enjoying watching all of ground green up in front of their eyes. *Follow Bernice's travels as she has time to upload to her website: www.endeofthetrail.com <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.endeofthetrail.com%2Fblog%2F>* *Bernice's Tucker Black Mtn Saddle* <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outfitterssupply.com%2FTucker-Black-Moun tain-Trail-Saddle%2Fproductinfo%2FTU261%2F>*"Iâve ridden over 18,000 miles in a Tucker Saddle⦠I guess that alone should tell you something." -Bernice* Bernice's lightweight Black Mountain Trail Saddle <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outfitterssupply.com%2FTucker-Black-Moun tain-Trail-Saddle%2Fproductinfo%2FTU261%2F> features a cut-out skirt design for close, comfortable leg contact. The 5" cantle and wide swell provide plenty of security. As with all Tucker saddles, the patented Gel-Cush shock absorbing seat provides outstanding comfort that does not break down over time (9,000 miles plus!!!) *Bernice's TrailMax Saddlebags* <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outfitterssupply.com%2FTrailMax-Junior-S addlebag-System%2Fproductinfo%2FWTM100%2F>Because Bernice travels extremely light and is able to pack most of her gear in the pack panniers, she uses the TrailMax Junior Pommel Bags and Rear Saddlebag system <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outfitterssupply.com%2FTrailMax-Junior-S addlebag-System%2Fproductinfo%2FWTM100%2F> . She generally will fill them with food, water, a camera, personal protection, and extra clothing layers. Maybe someday soon one side of the pommel bags will have a rescue puppy sitting in it, enjoying the view? Bernice isn't completely ruling it out... *Bernice's Pack Saddle* <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outfitterssupply.com%2FAdjustable-Pack-S addle-with-Rolled-Breeching-Breast-Collar%2Fproductinfo%2FWPS600%2F>We spent some time fitting Essie Pearl when Bernice decided to ride with a pack horse, and found that with Essie's short, broad back and thick shoulders, the Adjustable Bar Pack Saddle <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=100937190&msgid=1113603&act=J9PN&c =370063&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outfitterssupply.com%2FAdjustable-Pack-S addle-with-Rolled-Breeching-Breast-Collar%2Fproductinfo%2FWPS600%2F> was just the ticket. Her pack saddle has well over 10,000 miles on
Re: RFD edited Fjord related portion of Rose Parade interview
This message is from: Gail Russell Thank you so much for posting this, Fred. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Trucks
This message is from: Gail Russell > It is possible that more Fords are sold? > > > > 1-Ford parts in fixing and replacing are almost the most expensive of the > trucks. He had more Fords in the shop than any other brand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Dodge Death Wobbles
This message is from: Gail Russell Does this extend into the newer models? Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Truck Advice - Dodge Death Wobble & Fords too?
This message is from: Gail Russell Hmmthe front end on our 1993 F250 has always felt loose. We did get the front end rebuilt recently, so maybe that fixed it, but I know Karen McCarthy had an F250 that had a similar front end feel, and I remember her saying something about, "they all have it." Gail On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Mary Ofjord wrote: > This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" > > > I could not get the link to work for me, but interestingly, we had this > problem with a Ford F250. We did everything that was suggested by the > dealer, including a new axel, new tires, differential joints, Steering > shaft, etc., etc., and the truck would go along okay for a while, but the > steering wheel would suddenly start to wobble or bounce up and down. I > even > took a video of it to show the dealer. Nothing we did made it any better. > The fix came when we traded it for another F250-Heavy Duty, which we still > have at 12 years old. The dealer gave us a very nice deal when we traded > in > the old truck. We never did find out what caused the problem. > > Mary Ofjord > North Coast Services, LLC > 218-387-1879 > > > This message is from: Hope and Horses > > > had the dreaded "Dodge Death Wobble" > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Truck Advice
This message is from: Gail Russell Hi All, I am trying to figure out what to do about buying another truck, or fixing the one I have. My situation is as follows: I have a 2007 F350 long box crew cab dually diesel truck 4x4 that gets about 12 miles to a gallon. It replaced a 1993 F250 regular cab 4x4 truck with a 460 engine that gets even less miles, especially when towing. The F250 is still "in the family" but is showing signs of a dead transmission (cost $3K to $4K). It has about 165,000 miles on the 460. The radiator may be compromised on it as it tends to get hot when driven slowly on desert roads with the AC on. I just rebuilt the brakes and the front end on the F250. The seats on the F250 are not comfortable. One thing about the F250 is that it has the old body frame which causes it to have an enormous turning radius. Much larger than the 2 foot longer F350. Both of our trucks have gooseneck and bumper hitches. We love the F350. It is the Lariat edition and the seats are comfortable, the engine braking makes horse hauling a dreamlove the truck. I would like to have a spare truck. We are finding that we would like to leave our camper on our truck all the time, which means we need a truck that can haul our three horse Silverlite when needed. What I am thinking of doing is trying to get a newer truck that mimics the F350 we love, but is not such a big investment. By mimics, I mean engine braking, somewhat better mileage than the F250, 4 wheel drive, long box, with tow package and better turning radius. Either a crew cab or extra cab. Probably a crew cab. What I do not know is where the Ford trucks changed radically...so I know what years are suitable. Opinions? Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2014 #45
This message is from: Gail Russell So...I can read stories over Skype if I get my act together? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Children's Horse Stories
This message is from: Gail Russell I love my Kindle as well, and find it easier to read on it. That said, I just looked up the Misty of Chincoteague Kindle, and all of the nice watercolors are in black and white! On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Barbara Lynch wrote: > This message is from: "Barbara Lynch" > > > Ruthie, I love my Kindle. I also love Mid Columbia libraries. I can > borrow books from them and they load wirelessly to the Kindle through > Amazon! Most libraries now loan digital books now. They have a lot of > books for all ages. > Barb Lynch > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Children's Horse Stories
This message is from: Gail Russell > sorryI am having problems trimming with the Gmail format. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: English Saddle For Sale
This message is from: Gail Russell > . > > It is stamped with FHI (Fjord Horse International). Pictures available. > Selling because we are down to one horse and 84 years old! Asking price > $800.00. > Those are nice saddles. Nice leather, if it is the one I am thinking of. I do not think the tree is excessively wide. Catherine Lassesen had one, if I remember correctly, and may have a perspective on what type of Fjord it should fit. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Age appropriate horse books for grandkids?
This message is from: Gail Russell It appears that one has to buy the books published between 1945 and 1965 to get the original illustrations. There seem to be later reprints, but people complain that the Wesley Dennis Illustrations are in black and white. here is a list of her books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_Henry Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Age appropriate horse books for grandkids?
This message is from: Gail Russell His face assumed that look, "Ask me after class" he replied. But I had immediately recognized the compression of the facial features, and knew I was onto something: "Is it anything like a gelding?" I got an incredible laugh out of this! Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Age appropriate horse books for grandkids?
This message is from: Gail Russell Thank you Thank you! A question. Ebay has a 1993 reprint that is cheaper than the other Wesley Dennis illustrated versions. I suspect they cut the number of illustrations or the color saturation. I would prefer to get the beautifully illustrated version. I suspect I need a vintage copy. Anyone know? Here is the 1993 version on Ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Album-of-Horses-by-Wesley-Dennis-and-Marguerite-Henry-1993-Paperback-Reprint-/271404869762?pt=US_Childrens_Books&hash=item3f30fda882 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Carol Makosky wrote: > This message is from: Carol Makosky > > > Don't forget the "My Friend Flicka" series. > > > On 3/3/14 11:30 AM, Mary Ofjord wrote: > >> This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" >> >> >> When I was a kid, The Black Stallion (and that whole series) topped >> my >> >> >> WOW! Those were my favorite stories too! >> > > Important FjordHorse List Links: >> Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e >> FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw >> FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." >R.B. Cunningham Graham > > Built Fjord Tough > Carol M. > On Golden Pond > N. Wisconsin > Home of Heidi, > The Wonder Pony > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Age appropriate horse books for grandkids?
This message is from: Gail Russell OKI am sitting here with a pages-yellowed copy of The Black Stallion by Walter Farley. I am contemplating whether or not to send it off to my coming 9 year old very-good-reader granddaughter. Or, to send it (or a second copy) to my 6 year old grandson. And, then there is Black Beauty and other classic horse books. Anyone have any opinions on when to give these classics to kids. I would like to be able to read them to the kids, but, realistically, never have significant amounts of time with them to read a book like this through. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Dustenai has crossed over the rainbow bridge - May 8, 1993 - Jan 24, 2014
This message is from: Gail Russell Gayle, Thank you so much for your nice story about Dustenai's life. It is sad and happy at the same time. It is nice to hear from you, and about her wonderful life. I remember when her first owner died. I do hope Mary can find another Fjord who can begin to match Dustenai. Gail On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Reena Giola wrote: > This message is from: Reena Giola > > > I am so sorry -- many thoughts and prayers to all her loved her. > > Reena > > > On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Gayle ware wrote: > > > > > > > I was with her when she drew her first breath so it was fitting that I > got > > to be with her as she drew her last, but DANG it hurts so much to say > > good-bye. > > > > The world has lost another fabulous Fjord, but that is surely heaven's > gain > > and I envisioned her frolicking over the rainbow bridge where she was > > greeted by Patty & Molde who had been patiently waiting for her. > > > > We will miss you little girl! > > > > Gayle Ware > > Field of Dreams > > Eugene, OR > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Gail Russell Is there any way to rule out clostridium? I gather they did not test for it? I am so happy they are home, safe and sound! On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: > This message is from: Kim Manzoni > > > Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: > Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. > > I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. > I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do > differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is > frustrating. > > But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special > boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you > all for the support and prayers. > > Kim in MD > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Update on the boys
This message is from: Gail Russell Do beware of their feet. We had a horse that had a gut problem that they thought was Potomac Horse Fever. He recovered, but the inflammation resulted in founder with horrible sinking Apparently, that type of rotation is harder to treat and recover from from than "normal" grass founder. We eventually had to put the horse down. After that experience, I would absolutely say that the horses should not be in shoes, and I would even consider putting them in some kind of padded foot appliance (styrofoam blocks, Soft Ride boots, or something that would help stop the potential descent). I have had two horses get even mild fevers and had BOTH develop laminitis. The fever was so mild that the laminitis was the first clue that they were systemically ill (pigeon fever and a jaw infection). I would consult the vet, and I would consider arguing or getting a second opinion if they say there is no danger. Gail On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: > This message is from: Kim Manzoni > > > The boys were happy to see us. Liver and kidney good on both. Titans WBC > up to > 2400 it was 500. Getting fluids and meds. Still treating for Salmonella & > PHF. > No test results to determine exactly what's wrong back to vet yet. Stool is > formed. Keep the good healing vibes and prayers coming won't have more test > results until Wednesday or Thursday . Comanche seemed more upbeat than > Titan. > Fevers reduced from 103 to 100. Reduced due to banamine though. > > Please keep them in your thoughts and prayers. > > Kim in Maryland > > Sent from my iPhone > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Titan update
This message is from: Gail Russell I know this is not your foremost concern right now, but if Titan starts to recover, get his shoes off and start worrying about laminitis. We will be praying. I am so sorry. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Kim Manzoni wrote: > This message is from: Kim Manzoni > > > Titan is hospitalized as well as his BFF Comanche who is now in the next > stall at the hospital. They injested toxins. Closed off all pAstures and > stopped all grains . Could be poisoned feed. Vet is testing for Potomac > horse fever and is treating both for that & sAlmonella. I live next to a > chicken farm and they just cleaned there barns Friday and it was windy > toward my horse pastures > > Titan is 2.5 and Comanche is 3 yrs old. Susceptible to salmonella > > Please pray for them. Titans vitals declined this morning. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Titan
This message is from: Gail Russell Oh Kim, Please keep us posted. That said, I have had horses that were in visibly bad shape that recovered with intravenous fluids only. Did they do a reflux test yesterday? On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Kim Manzoni wrote: > This message is from: Kim Manzoni > > > Hi all > > Please pray and send healing vibes out for my boy Titan. He is in route to > the hospital. Colic yesterday, was tubed and oiled. Still sick now. > Shaking, grinding teeth, no gut noises, no eating or drinking. > > I am very scared! > > Kim in Md > > Sent from my iPhone > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Ferndale woman will lead Norwegian Fjord horses in Rose Parade
This message is from: Gail Russell A: We will be wearing traditional Norwegian bunads (costumes). One rider will wear authentic Norwegian wedding clothing, including the magnificent silver wedding crown on loan from the Vesterheim museum (in Iowa). All this is especially meaningful to me -- I'm Norwegian and my grandmother emigrated from Norway to America by herself in a great adventure more than 100 years ago. So What is the story? Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjords in the Rose Parade!
This message is from: Gail Russell I did find their online schedule, but do not see anything I recognize as the Rose Parade. http://schedule.rfdtv.com/default.asp?i=35&tz=0 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:41 AM, wrote: > This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com > > > If you have RFDTV you will see all the equestrian groups plus can watch > the show of > all the groups performing in the arena several nights before the parade. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 6 degrees at 11:30pm > > > > I really hope someone will record this portion of the parade and make it > available > > to us somehow. It seems they cut out all the equestrian units from > televised > > parades or show only the tiniest glimpses... > > > > How exciting for your group, though! > > > > --Kelly. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjords in the Rose Parade!
This message is from: Gail Russell Dumb question, I know, but when? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:41 AM, wrote: > This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com > > > If you have RFDTV you will see all the equestrian groups plus can watch > the show of > all the groups performing in the arena several nights before the parade. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 6 degrees at 11:30pm > > > > I really hope someone will record this portion of the parade and make it > available > > to us somehow. It seems they cut out all the equestrian units from > televised > > parades or show only the tiniest glimpses... > > > > How exciting for your group, though! > > > > --Kelly. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjords in the Rose Parade!
This message is from: Gail Russell OK...how do I find you on facebook! On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Teressa wrote: > This message is from: "Teressa" > > > If you haven't heard yet, thirteen Norwegian Fjord Horses, in all five dun > colors, will be an equestrian unit in the January 1, 2014 Rose Parade in > Pasadena, California. The parade is 36 days away! The entire process has > been hard work, back in March when we started work on the application > (resumes for both horses and people), to July when we learned we were > accepted, to now when we are ordering our flowers, preparing our show > performance, grooming and despooking our horses so they look and behave > their best, making lists, checking deadlines and so many other tasks to get > ready. > > > > The Rose Parade is aired to 60,000,000 people worldwide and is an epic > spectacle - known for flowered floats, marching bands and equestrian units. > It was the very first time Norwegian Fjords had applied to be in the Parade > and despite that equestrian units were reduced from 26 in 2013 to only 16 > in > 2014 is a huge testimony to the impression these horses make on the > uninitiated. > > > > With the 13 horses, we have 45 people along to ride, drive, and assist in > this effort. And it isn't cheap! Our goal was to raise $30,000 that we hope > will cover fuel for the haul, stalling, bedding, entry fees, flowers and so > on. We have raised about half that and are looking for donations of any > size. > > > > If you wish to donate, go to www.nfhr.com and click on the Rose Parade > banner - that will take you to a page where you can donate via PayPal or > credit card, or send checks to the NFHR office. This is the best > opportunity > ever to showcase these fabulous, beautiful horses. > > > > Check me out on Facebook for photos as we get closer and closer to our > departure date. We'll be leaving early on Christmas Day. We will be > performing in Equestfest on December 29 at the Los Angeles Equestrian > Center > in Burbank (adjoining Griffith Park) as well as our appearance in the > Parade. Check online at www.tournamentofroses.com for information on > tickets. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: My Fjord Mare
This message is from: Gail Russell One thing you may want to try to alleviate some of the immediate problem is to put up slow feeders that are a reasonable distance apart from each other. While it will not stop the sexually driven aggression, it should allow her to get something to eat. And it will ultimately help the geldings get along with each other. I was one who responded to a speculation that you were associated with a horse rescue, but I did further research shortly thereafter and reposted to the list that your e-mail was not the same. I do apologize for not doing that research immediately. On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Hope and Horses wrote: > This message is from: Hope and Horses > > > Thanks to some > explanation from a Fjord friend, I have (I think!) finally > figured out how to > use this email list/website/whatever it is considered. > > > > I would like to > start out by thanking the people who have posted responses > in my defense. I had been told that the Fjord community is a > great group of > people, but unfortunately that has not been my experience with > the negative > and untrue things that have been posted about me. Your positive posts have > restored some of my > faith in the Fjord community, and I thank you for that. > > > > I don't > personally care what the people think who posted negative and untrue > things > about me. They do not know my situation, > nor do they know me. If you > have some > imagined issue with the fact that I'm rehoming my mare, I would > suggest that > you do the mature thing and email me directly with your concerns > rather than > airing them publicly. I would also > suggest that you be very > careful and think twice about posting slanderous untrue > accusations - you may > have some unpleasant legal ramifications you didn't > bargain for. Defamation > of character is > nothing to take lightly. I will not allow > you to ruin my > reputation in this close-knit community. Of which I should really have NO > reputation...I > am relatively new to Fjords and am just getting to know some of > the local > breeders and owners. Let me be clear, > lest there be any further > misunderstandings - I am relatively new to Fjords (couple of years), NOT > new > to > horses. (Although I think we all knowFjords are a whole different > creature > entirely!) > > > > I do, however, > care about the impression that the rest of you have about me. > I will not stand by and have my name wrongly > and unfairly smeared throughout > the Fjord community, when I have done nothing > but try to do right by my mare. > This mare's > life has value, and I know there is a home out there for her where > she can live > out her golden years without being repeatedly attacked, chased > off her food, and chased > out of her shelter. > > > > Please allow me > to address some of the comments that have been made. > > > > There is no implied > secrecy in my Facebook postings. I > have clearly > requested several times in my postings for people to PM me for the > specifics. > I am a very private person > and don't want all that information plastered all > over Facebook. I have fully responded to every inquiry that was > PM'ed to me > and answered all questions honestly. Fjord people know they can look up my > horses' > info on the NFHR website. > > > > My email has > not been banned from this list. It's not > possible to be banned > when I have never posted to the list until today. The email was familiar > to > one person because I > had previously emailed them on a personal level within > the past few years. But never with a negative connotation to it. > > > > I have never > run or been affiliated with any horse rescue. Nor have I ever > falsely represented or > mishandled a horse in order to get it sold. My email > address is called Hope and Horses > because I was a co-leader of a ministry > called Hope and Horses, which in no way > shape or form was ever (nor ever > intended to be) a rescue. > > > > I really cannot > separate my mare from my geldings in an immediate manner. > We > just bought a hobby farm that only has one small dry lot and one shelter. > My horses are only used to being in a dry lot > - I cannot separate them by > suddenly putting them out on long, rich grass 24/7. > And I will not leave any > of them without > access to shelter. > > > > Hopefully that > adequately covers/answers all of the comments that were > leveled against me. Since there's very few who know me yet, I'm baffled > why > there were s
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2013 #198
This message is from: Gail Russell I just had a saddle fitting with saddlesthatfit.com (Susan Hart). Her husband (who is her "swamper"/saddle-schleper) pointed out to me that the Corrector Pad has the same weaknesses as a treeless saddle in that it ends up putting pressure on the front and/or rear of the saddle. I have not looked at it recently, but I do not think you can shim along the center of the saddle. My saddle was bridging in the center, though it fit on the front and back. She was able to use shims on the saddle, and/or placed judicious use of particular pads and shims stuck to the felt pad. If you are anywhere near their California/nevada/Oregon territory (maybe they go further afield?), I would have them do a saddle fitting. In the end, I bought a Specialized Trail Lite with an endurance seat because it was more comfortable for me. Even with that saddle, she used custom shims on it. (Specialized saddles come with a shim fit system.) Susan came to tiny Cedarville and fit saddles on something like 6 horses. She spent as much as two hours on each horse/rider combination and the cost was very affordable. I audited almost all of those fittings, and learned, first and foremost, that saddle fit makes a huge difference to a horse's way of going. The people whose horses she was fitting were experienced horse people who I know to be conscientious about saddle fit and who "knew" how to fit a saddle. She found problems with most of their saddles. Ironically, the only people who had saddles that fit pretty well were a novice couple with two brand new horsesThe difference was amazing. My saddle did not fit my horse's terribly, but, when I changed to a saddle that fit them a bit better, and one that put me in a more balanced seat, my horses stopped tripping, stopped spooking, and started walking and trotting evenly and with ears forward, interested in where we were going*. The whole episode made me realize that there are a lot of horse problems that are not only people problems, but also saddle problems. There are a lot of horses out there who have been labelled as resistant who are not. They may just be hurting and being, literally, crippled by their saddles. In fact, I do believe "resistant" should be removed from a horseman's vocabulary because the word does not carry accurate specific information about a problem and because it is a "blame the horse" word that I believe is inappropriate. I would recommend that everyone have Susan do a clinic at their barn, however, I believe one of the essential parts of their service is the inventory of saddles, pads, and shims they carry with them. I do not know how far they travel. They live in the Shingle Springs area of California. We were in Cedarville CA (far Northeastern corner) and they came to us from further north. Susan is also a Centered Riding instructor. If she thinks YOU are the problem, she will tell you, ever so gently. :) Really nice people. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:07 AM, julie finn wrote: > This message is from: julie finn > > > Has anyone had any experience with using the Corrector Pad by Len Brown? I > would like to use it with a Western saddle. > > Thanks Julie > > julief...@hotmail.com > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord needing a home..
This message is from: Gail Russell Just did a search. It does not appear this is the rescue organization. Just an individual e-mail. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Gail Russell wrote: > I think I remember a problem with them too. As, in, it sounded like they > were making money off of "rescuing" horses. I remember an apparently > crossbred Fjord being ridden in circles, looking like it was not properly > broke, and being represented as a child's horse. Was it this group? The > Fjord was dark colored. > > Gail > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Mary Ofjord wrote: > >> This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" >> >> >> I just wrote an email to hope&horses - and also asked a few questions. >> For some reason that name comes to mind from some time ago. Wasn't there >> an issue with them for some reason? >> Sorry, I have CRS nowadays. >> Mary Ofjord >> North Coast Services, LLC >> 218-387-1879 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto: >> owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Curtis >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:55 PM >> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >> Subject: RE: Fjord needing a home.. >> >> This message is from: "Curtis" >> >> >> Sandra Engel asked: Does anyone know if this fjord >> horse has found a home??? >> >> You need to email the owner directly at hopeandhor...@live.com. I don't >> think she is on this list. >> >> Take care! >> Curt Pierce >> >> Important FjordHorse List Links: >> Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: >> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l >> >> Important FjordHorse List Links: >> Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e >> FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw >> FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord needing a home..
This message is from: Gail Russell I think I remember a problem with them too. As, in, it sounded like they were making money off of "rescuing" horses. I remember an apparently crossbred Fjord being ridden in circles, looking like it was not properly broke, and being represented as a child's horse. Was it this group? The Fjord was dark colored. Gail On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Mary Ofjord wrote: > This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" > > > I just wrote an email to hope&horses - and also asked a few questions. > For some reason that name comes to mind from some time ago. Wasn't there > an issue with them for some reason? > Sorry, I have CRS nowadays. > Mary Ofjord > North Coast Services, LLC > 218-387-1879 > > > -Original Message- > From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto: > owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Curtis > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:55 PM > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: RE: Fjord needing a home.. > > This message is from: "Curtis" > > > Sandra Engel asked: Does anyone know if this fjord > horse has found a home??? > > You need to email the owner directly at hopeandhor...@live.com. I don't > think she is on this list. > > Take care! > Curt Pierce > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Rabies vaccine?
This message is from: Gail Russell I think she is due for her rabies too. I will get it done ASAP. On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Beth & Sandy - Starfire Farm < starfiref...@usa.net> wrote: > This message is from: "Beth & Sandy - Starfire Farm" > > > > First of all, Beth M., thank you for vaccinating your mare! I can't > believe, after all of the rabies exposure we had on the Front Range in > Colorado this spring that your barn-mates have not had their horses > vaccinated! Shari MacCallum's Fjord gelding, Starfire Finlay, contracted > rabies from a "presumably" dead skunk that she found in her pasture. The > horse was dead 3 weeks later and she, her entire family and at least 10 > veterinarians/vet techs had to receive the prophylactic treatment > (several thousand dollars just for her alone.) At least she is alive. He > was in the prime of his life...they had performed in the Stock Show with > us in January and in the Expo with us in March. She was having a blast > with him until this happened. I do not blame Shari, for she did not know > that her horses required annual rabies vaccinations in order to be > protected. Finlay had been vaccinated two years prior and was due for > re-vaccination when he was exposed. It could have just as easily been a > horse or horses in my herd, as I had a rabid skunk on my property around > the same time (in the vicinity of my paddocks and arena) that I captured > and had tested. My dogs were exposed (they had been lightly sprayed but > presumably were not bitten and were up to date on their vaccinations). > Luckily, my horses were not but I couldn't be too sure. I was just lucky. > We did re-boost the dogs and cats (recommended by my vet and the state > veterinarian) and I vaccinated my entire herd that week, but I kept a > very watchful eye for several weeks afterward for any unusual > behavior/signs. I was very worried. It doesn't take a bite to transfer > the disease. All it takes is exposure to saliva/blood/bodily fluids. This > could be through open skin, etc. The best guess regarding Finlay's > exposure is that he must have mouthed or nosed the skunk, as they could > not find any puncture wounds on him anywhere. The skunk may have already > been dead or dying, no one knows because Shari found it dead in her > pasture. I "ditto" what Robin Churchill wrote...all of this would not > have happened if her horse had been vaccinated this year. This is serious > business. Don't think that, because we can vaccinate dogs and cats every > few years, that you can vaccinate your horse the same way. Horses have to > be vaccinated annually in order to be protected. It's very inexpensive if > you give them yourself. Even if your vet has to give it in your area, the > cost comparison between giving a vaccine and you receiving prophylactic > treatment is nil. If your horse contracts it, it will die. We had rabid > skunks and foxes all over our area this spring. There was report after > report of skunks attacking dogs, cats, breaking into houses through > windows (seriously!), fox and skunks chasing horses...seriously! Rabies > has been moving towards the Front Range in Colorado for several years. > Last year it was in eastern Colorado and eastern Adams County. Once we > heard the first report of it being found west of I-25, this spring it was > too late for Finlay. Such a sad deal! And we in our society have become > so complacent that there were no reports in the local news until at least > two months after Finlay died. The first news report I heard was on NPR > national news! Not our local news. Unbelievable, since if you contract > rabies, you die. End of story. I have told all of my friends that I know > that it will be moving into their area...even those on the other side of > the divide. It is just a matter of time. I have yet to see a problem with > giving the vaccine to my horses, dogs or cats. So, those of you out there > who are in the more arid areas, don't wait. You just never know when that > rabid skunk, fox, possum, cat, bat, whatever...will end up on your > property. Beth www.starfirefarm.com > > This message is from: Main Email > > I am the only one at my barn who vaccinates for rabies. We board in a > rural area of Colorado (Morrison) south of area with a significant > increase in rabies...it was found at a horse barn after a feral kitten > was diagnosed with it... after scratching people. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Rabies vaccine?
This message is from: Gail Russell i give them. Separately. No problems. I believe there was a reported case of horse rabies in California not so long ago. On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Main Email wrote: > This message is from: Main Email > > > I am the only one at my barn who vaccinates for rabies. We board in a > rural area of Colorado (Morrison) south of area with a significant increase > in rabies...it was found at a horse barn after a feral kitten was diagnosed > with it... after scratching people. > > Who else gives rabies shots? Do yours have reactions? Have any > recommendations? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Rasp
This message is from: Gail Russell I wondered this too. I know that the Rider's rasp is essentially worthless, but it looks like some of these might have decent teeth on them. However, you would not be able to use the weight of the rasp to get up some momentum to carry it across the hoof and actually take anything off. This message is from: Me Kint Thank you for the tip, Lori. Do you have any info/opinion re the various hand held, smaller rasps that you can get replacement inserts for? Are they as good (sharp) as the long files? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Summer-fall
This message is from: Gail Russell I do not think of this as summer shedding. I think of it as a harbinger of winter coming on as the summer coat exits. I guess I am just a pessimist! Tunix has started his summer shedding. Zoe is usually a few weeks behind. Do all breeds do this summer shedding? I can't remember what my TBs & Appys did. Any of you with better memories or currently have other breeds know about this? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
FW: Hay nets for Fjords
This message is from: Gail Russell Carol asked me to forward her experience with the Eco Nets. I looked up the website. It looks like they might be available in Canada! http://www.econets.ca/ From: Carol Boehm [mailto:beze...@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:21 AM To: Gail Russell Subject: Hay nets for Fjords Hi Gail: This is Carol Boehm of Red Wing Acre's Norwegian Fjords. I met you at Moses Lake I think in 2009. As I can never seem to get messages posted on the fjord digest would you please post this message. I have used for three years Eco-Nets for feeding my fjords hay and they work extremely well. I am still using the same nets and I use them in the box stalls hung from a ring screwed into a support beam. I have opened a stall door on the odd occasion to find that the hay net has been untied and one of my fjords is using it for a toy but they have never wrecked one yet or got hurt by one. Pat Wolfe and his partner Jane Beall both love them and will sanction what I am saying. If you go to the Canadian Fjord Horse website you will find the link on the home page on the left hand side. Take care and have a nice day. Yours truly Carol Boehm Red Wing Acre's Norwegian Fjords Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Porta grazers
This message is from: Gail Russell Yes, it is true. It is very sturdy, but no match for a determined Fjord who wants to enlarge the holes to get more hay out faster. The manufacturer says to vold the hay flake over so that the hay puffs out of the holes a bit. That might help, but in my view, it is way too much to work to put the hay in "just so." A better substitute is the Hay Hoop and Tough One net from KV vet supply. The disadvantage to this is that you need a bin underneath it to avoid the horse ingesting hay IF you are on sandy soil Gail <> Really? I am surprised to read this. I thought it looked like a sturdy device, and a lot of fun for a Fjord. The reason I didn't get it is because it is a one-horse gadget, and I have two -- with the Fjord being way dominant over the little donkey, who would never get a bite to eat. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Porta grazers
This message is from: Gail Russell She will destroy it in short order. I have one, with a not too aggressive Fjord. Wrecked in a month or two. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Soaking
This message is from: Gail Russell The reason hoof boots are awkward to use is that they are heavy when loaded. And some horses find the weight on their hoof irritating, and try to paw it off...or paw while installing. Soaking is one of my least favorite activities. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Soaking
This message is from: Gail Russell It can be difficult to get the foot into the medicine boots. You have to order an XL for a normal sized foot. And, to do white lightening soaks, you have to close the top with saran wrap, which does not work very well. There is a cordura equine soaker boot that is now out that goes further up the foot and has a Velcro closure, but it may not be big enough. When the boot is loaded with water, it is hard to get on. Why not just invest in a medicine boot? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Soaking
This message is from: Gail Russell Problem is, they stomp and break right through it if they are not on soft ground or grass. I saw an idea for using an empty IV fluid bag to soak a hoof. http://www.pangaeaequestrian.com/1/post/2012/11/tip-use-an-empty-iv-fluid-bag -to-soak-your-horses-hoof.html Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Trip across country
This message is from: Gail Russell I am not sure Linda was actually going to take a horse. It sounded like maybe they were just travelling with a LQ trailer. But if not, I too recommend starting in the early, early morning or after dark. Makes it not as easy to load horses in the dark. In a dry climate, I have thought of hozing down the shavings in the trailer. I make certain there are shavings so the heat from the road is insulated from the horse compartment as much as possible. I have transported a lot of horses on long distance trip in different types of trailers... Curt I can't imagine safely transporting a horse in this kind of heat, unless the trailer is air-conditioned. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: What's with Norway
This message is from: Gail Russell Yepnever buy farm-raised salmon. Have retreated to a Whole Foods Plant Based diet for the most part, with occasional cheats with sardines, salmon, and grass fed beef. To try to pull this back to Fjords, it is interesting to note that Norwegians are quite willing to regulate many ag products, including Norwegian Fjord horses, so as to maintain the traditional strengths of those products. I would guess that, as soon as they wake up, they will outdo us in trying to fix this. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Trucks
This message is from: Gail Russell Someone mentioned they loved their truck with the Cummins Diesel. At the time I was shopping for my 2007 truck (fall of 2006), I was told there had been problems with the Cummins diesels and that they were no longer the great engines they once were. Can anyone clarify on that subject? Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Truck PS
This message is from: Gail Russell Our truck has a wide running board that extends back to the bed. I wonder if it would need a narrower, and less user friendly, running board if it did not have the dually wheels sticking out anyway? It is important to be able to get up into the bed easily. it is easy to side swipe those duallys. Our trailer is a bumper pull. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Trucks
This message is from: Gail Russell Here is what I sent Robin. I might be able to find my specifications list if anyone is really interested. A friend who hauls horses a lot specified it for me. We took almost every option. There are probably used versions of this truck out there, but you would have to make certain it had all the heavy duty hauling options. We LOVE this truck. It has revolutionized our hauling lives. We currently haul at least 3200 miles every year taking our horses to Cedarville. We have a 2007 F350 Crew Cab Long Box Dually with a big engine. Diesel. Not sure offhand if it is the 7.3 Diesel. Had running boards put on it, which we believe were essential. They go all the way back next to the bed so you can get into the bed to hitch up a gooseneck. It has running lights on the cab and doors, which make it look good, and probably make it more visible. It is four wheel drive, which makes it heavier and makes the box higher, which has implications if you have a gooseneck trailer. We use the 4 wheel drive when on wet grass, and would not be without it, but it does add a lot of expense and we do not use it often. It has an engine braking system that is an absolute Godsend. We travel steep mountain roads hauling three horses at a time, and you tap the brake once or twice, and then the engine holds that speed. It feels much, much safer than driving our old 1993 F250. This truck has a much shorter turning radius for its size than our 1993 F250. Ford changed the frames so that this truck almost feels like driving a car. That said, one is hard pressed to drive this truck to a grocery store. I would never again buy a truck that did not have at least some kind of space behind the driver's seat, and we have used the extra seating quite a bit. There is nothing we do not like about this truck thus far. I would not get the gas version as the diesel is much better at hauling. The 4 wheel drive is expensive. It does help the truck hold its value, but I suspect one is still out some money. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Trucks
This message is from: Gail Russell I would advocate that the discussion go to the list? Any agreement? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Cinch Chix - 15% off sale
This message is from: Gail Russell ANother alternative is to purchase the Cinch Chix bulk net and build your own feeders set up like the Happy Grazer. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2013 #118
This message is from: Gail Russell The one I use is the Cinch Chix 1" hole net. It appears that the Happy Grazer 1 1/4" inch net will shrink down to 1 inch holes, and may be comparable. The effect of different nets is different depending upon whether or not they are hanging or stuffed pillows, whether or not the hay is wet or dry, the type of hay, and whether or not the net is full or nearly empty. I would recommend getting the Cinch Chix net to start with. Because I have multiple lhorses, I believe the West Coast Bale feeder size is best because I can make at least two feeders out of one. (Some people cut them in three, but I believe that is too small for the type of barrel feeders I make. That said, I may eventually try the Happy Grazer. It looks like a better solution for those who have sand problems. Gail This message is from: Ellen Barry Hi Gail, Which net do you call the extreme slow feed Sent from my iPad > > --- Since I started feeding with extreme slow feed nets, > where the horses eat pretty much nonstop overnight from 4PM to 4 to 6 AM, the > horses are much more relaxed, willing and attentive. It is almost like I > have a different horse. --- > Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Gail Russell This is from the Happy Grazers facebook page. It would go along with acid in the water, I suppose. I wonder if slow feeders, with hay constantly available, might help? "DID YOU KNOW?: Horses are biologically designed to eat 20 hours per day. Unlike deer, they are not browsers, they are grazers. Chewing produces saliva, which helps buffer stomach acids. On a pasture/hay diet a horse normally produces up to 10 gallons of saliva per day. When there is less for the horse to eat all day, less saliva is produced which translates into less buffering of the stomach acids. This can result in an increased imbalance of the bacteria in the stomach, and increased production of stomach acid, and thus the potential increase in gastric ulcers. If the stomach becomes more acidic than it should be, gas is produced by bacterial fermentation, and the result can be pain, colic, or even stomach wall rupture. " From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Jo Wilgus [rjrfj...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:44 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Diarrhea (again) This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" - Original Message - From: "Rose or Murph" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 PM Subject: Diarrhea (again) > This message is from: Rose or Murph > > > My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. > > Comments welcome. Hi Rose. Try switching to pellets. That is my comment. Jo Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Gail Russell HmmIt might be the water. Our horses have similar diarrhea (some of them) in Sonoma County, where our water is acid, and are instantly cured when we take the to Cedarville, where the water is alkaline. Also, I moved a horse across the street to a barn that treats their water for acid by running it through a large tank that has a fish tank aerator in it (actually, a bit bigger than that). The aeration makes the water test much less acidic. The horse's diarrhea was instantly cured. I thought it was our sand, being ingested every day, or alfalfa. Maybe not. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: training or disposition?
This message is from: Gail Russell The free up feeder looks easier to close, but I think I like the Hay Hoop better than that one. I love my barrels because I can just throw a whole bunch of hay into the feeder and am done feeding very quickly. The barrels can be cut in half (to make two big tubes, instead of one longer one), and would likely be big enough for most people's needs. However, you would not have the stiffening power of both the top and bottom rims, which could be a problem. There is also a slow feeder sold by Happy Grazer. It attaches nets to the top of a large trough. The nets have a purse string top that you close over the hay you have installed. The biggest one takes two bales of hay. The nets are bigger openings (1 1/2", I think), and the netting is thin. It appears to be the strongest net of all I am aware of. The larger size may not be a problem. "Presentation" is everything in hay nets. Hanging, as filled bags, the horses can throw them around to get fines out. If hay is wet, they can pull hay out faster because it is a little like pulling a thread on a knit garmentthe first string draws the next ones out. I think the Happy Grazer may be pretty slow feed, despite the large hole size, because the horse has to reach down through the net to get the hay, and cannot rely on gravity to press the hay up against the holes for him, as occurs with a hanging net. The cinch chix netting is heavy material, which I think slows them down. The Happy Grazer is thin material. It is used for shark protective cages, I believe. The Happy Grazer Replacement net is $210. You could buy it and build your own feeder out of a large plastic water tank, or even out of wood. There is one big, big advantage to the Happy Grazer. That is that you are truly protected from sand colic. With my feeders, the horses throw the feeders around, and, often they manage to get the fines into the dirt outside of the Rubbermaid tub. I have yet to try tying the bottom of the net to rope that is threaded through the water tank's drain hole and then tied to something like a tennis ball just outside the feeder. This would keep them from swinging the net around as much. Note also, that the Happy Grazer Replacement net comes in a 1 1/4 inch size that SHRINKS. It might be small enough for a Fjord! I own one of the Grazers that is a plastic bucket with a piece of plastic that goes over the hay, with large holes. My Fjord has destroyed the holes. The manufacturer says it is because I did not fold the flake of hay into the feeder just right, and he had to get too aggressive. I think that is way too much work. As I talk, I am considering that I might want to try one of the Happy Grazer Replacement nets and build my own box. They ship the plastic part by Greyhound, and it does get expensive. http://shop.happygrazers.com/NEW-Higher-Quality-Replacement-Net-for-X-slow-feed-mesh-11-4-412012002.htm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: training or disposition?
This message is from: Gail Russell Cinch Chix 1 inch netting. I use their West Coast Large Bale feeders and cut them in half (to make two shorter nets, with a screw on carabiner type thing closing the bottom of the net. I put the open top of the net over the end of a white 35 gallon barrel, pulling it up like a sock over a foot, but only about 4 to 6 inches up. My husband has taken off the tops and bottoms of the barrel (leaving the rim to strengthen it) before I do this, and he has also drilled 3/8 inch holes in two rows about that I use to tie the netting to the barrel. I end up with an open topped barrel with a net "sock" hanging about 2 1/2 to three feet down below the bottom of the barrel. We hang this on a pipe panel and put a largish water trough (Rubbermaid, about $75) beneath. We throw a day's ration into the top and let them have at it. They do most of their eating by shaking the nets until the fines fall out. There is something called a Hay Hoop you can buy from KV Supply. They are not as easy to load, and you need a stall wall to mount them on (or a barn wall). They come with a larger hole net, so not as slow feeding, but Cinch Chix nets would fit on them. They are a pretty good solution. Gail From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Christiansen [t...@littlerockfarm.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:50 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: training or disposition? This message is from: Theresa Christiansen What brand of slow feeders do you use? Theresa Christiansen Little Rock Farm 425 788 2358 206 972 7222 cell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: training or disposition?
This message is from: Gail Russell This article came through from my clicker list. http://www.thehorse.com/articles/32101/study-food-rewards-can-improve-horse-training I have also realized that how I feed makes a big difference in the horse I have to train. And it is not just cutting back on "hot" foods that makes a difference. Since I started feeding with extreme slow feed nets, where the horses eat pretty much nonstop overnight from 4PM to 4 to 6 AM, the horses are much more relaxed, willing and attentive. It is almost like I have a different horse. It think it is because they are not feeling desperate about food, and my also not be suffering from ulcers. I have yet to analyze whether or not this has improved my cinchy geldings attitude toward the cinch. I have just recently realized (with some help from this list) that his problem may be chronic low grade ulcers that cause pain as he is being cinched up. Off to put up slow feeders in Cedarville. We just hauled horses from Sonoma County to Cedarville CA and have to get ready for the coming heat wave. I am worrying about impactions if I do not manage their feed properly since we have moved them to a much dryer climate and slightly different hay. Gail From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Pasqual [tishpasq...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:40 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: training or disposition? This message is from: Patricia Pasqual I think that some horses are more "forgiving" than others - if a novice uses a cue that is somewhat in the range of the cue the horse knows, these schoolmasters "get it" and obediantly perform the task. There are other horses, however, that will never be schoolmasters because their range for understanding a cue is much less forgiving. I don't believe that is training - my horse has every "button" trained there is, but he is fussy about how you ask. If you don't ask correctly, you probably aren't going to get what you are looking for. That is why I made sure when I had him trained that I got trained myself - I already know this about him. The first thing Elph does when a new rider gets on him is test: what if I just go in the corner? what if I cut inside at the corner? what if I stand in the middle and don't move? As soon as the rider demonstrates that they know what their doing and use the cues correctly, he (acknowledges their leadership? has vetted them and decided they are acceptable to him and he will obey?) I don't know! On the other hand, he has a sweet little youth rider (riding less than a year) that he has been packing to Hunter Jumper shows, and they take just about everything they enter - last one they came home with the big championship ribbon for their division. Why? Well, Elph LIKES to jump! and even though Bella is new to riding she has superb natural balance and the only time she rides him is under the supervision of the trainer, who makes sure she is doing everything correctly. Tish and Elph in gorgeous Minneapolis sunshine, low humidity, and can't wait to go driving this evening! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence
This message is from: Gail Russell If one trains using negative reinforcement (like, say, wiggling the rope or doing one of Clinton's exercises where the stick is used to agitate the rope), oftentimes the skill of the rope wiggler matters. I had a trainer come to pick up two minimally trained horses. His rope skills were good enough that he could slap the side of a horse's face crisply, whereas I was wiggling the rope in a similar way, but it was not getting any success. The differences between me and the trainer were twofold: 1) I was not effectively creating the negative reinforcement that the trainer was, and hence the horse did not do the action that my negative reinforcement was intended to produce.See below the definition of "negative reinforcement." 2) Also, context matters. If a horse has learned a behavior with an outside trainer and/or at an outside facility, when you change the trainer or the physical context, the horse may not understand what you THOUGHT was your cue to do something like backing up. This may be interpreted that the horse is cooperating with the outside trainer, but not with the owner because the horse "respects" the trainer more, when the truth is that the horse does not see that you are giving him the cue to back up because THE HORSE thinks the cue to back up is, "trainer stands in front of me, while we are standing in trainer's arena, and the trainer is dressed in sequined chinks, and then trainer puts her hand up to start wiggling the rope." If the owner cannot wiggle the rope the same way as the trainer, or does not have on sequined chinks, or the activity is done in owner's barn, the horse may have no idea what is being asked of it. As an example, I have a corgi who is trained to lie down instantly on command. She absolutely flops herself down, no questions asked, and is happy to do it. BUT, if my husband asks her to lie down right before we go in the house, she does not do it. My husband thinks she is being disobedient/defiant,etc, but she just is not seeing the cue she is accustomed to. She thinks she should be someplace else (outside, or in our house, where we have practiced the "lie down" extensively. She also does not see my husband's "lie down" command (cue) as the cue to lie down. The context has changed, and she does not understand the "new" cue. It is not that she does not respect him...or me (because I am only slightly more successful when asking her to lie down just outside the door since she has the same problem with context that she has with my husband). DEFINITION NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT: http://psychology.about.com/od/operantconditioning/f/negative-reinforcement.htm <"Respect" is another word that has no meaning when applied to animals.? The behavior is either trained, or it isn't. > If that is the case, how do you explain the situation when a horse is trained to do something and another handler asks the horse to do whatever the trained behavior is in exactly the way it was trained and the horse says "no". This happens all the time and we've all seen and experienced it. A horse we've trained won't perform said task for someone else or we send a horse to be trained and we can't get the horse to do what the trainer can. Why does that happen? It's not because the horse is confused. It's because the horse either does not respect (or whatever you want to call it ) the person enough to cooperate and says "no" or sometimes senses a lack of confidence or conviction in the person and therefore won't cooperate. Sometimes if you try to do something with a horse and the trainer is there the horse does it and then when that person is not there, it won't do whatever you asked. That is because before it was doing it for the trainer not you. If you think a horse doesn't assess your level of confidenc! e with every interaction then you are mistaken. My friend who trained horses for 40 years always says they know your level of confidence as soon as your foot goes in the stirrup (and I would argue even before that).? My big warmblood is extremely safe and? well-trained so much so that you can completely steer him just with light pressure of your legs at the walk (and probably other gaits as well when he's being cooperative). Put a novice on him and he acts like he has no idea what they want him to do. Granted, they may not have much finesse in their aids but trust me, he knows what they want, he just doesn't think he has to do it. So training is not the only thing that goes into getting horses to do or not do what you want, there are other factors involved. IMO, that is. Robin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: ht
RE: NH and CT?? Mouthy?
This message is from: Gail Russell I do know of someone who would hold the treat in a pair of plyers. I think it was Marsha Jo Hanna, who may still be on this list. The horse found that his teeth got knocked if he tried to grab a treat from the plyers without being careful. My apologies for assuming you had little experience. I actually do find that Clinton Anderson's methods work, but I do prefer to give the horse a less harsh experience by clicking and treating when the horse gets something right. Gail his message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti <> It's not always easy to fix. Again, I totally realize that somebody else could do better -- or at least different -- than I did; but this situation was not easy for me to fix. Yes, I did work with protected contact. Yes, I did use the click-for-turning-your-head-away lessons. Often he would bite me as he was taking the treat from my hand. So I would click him for whatever good behavior and hold out the treat for him. (And, yes, I do know about proper treat delivery.) He would put his lips in my hand, then bear down, taking the treat and a bit of skin at the same time, then snatch his head and the treat back. Yikes! Then I tried treating him only with a bucket; but it was just too impractical Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: NH and CT?? Mouthy?
This message is from: Gail Russell It is a shame that you had problems with biting. They are pretty easy to fix. Did you try working with him in a "protected contact" situation to teach him not to mug? If you have the right lessons and follow through, you should have no problem. Of my seven horses, one of my Fjords is THE WORST mugger. However, if I am consistent and work on it, I have no problem keeping him off me. In fact, he appears very "respectful" ...including bowing his head and deliberately backing away from me a step at a time. I use the word "respect" cautiously, because I have no idea if he does respect me, since I can neither read his mind nor really explain what respect is other than describing his behavior. I just know that click treat training him not to mug has meant he has stopped mugging. Here is a link to a method for stopping the mugging. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqG4Zg_HdoY By the way, I have found that lousy timing is not as big an issue in click treat as it is using NH. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Disposition/intelligence
This message is from: Gail Russell > All that stuff about being "herd leader" is mythology "I guess you have never seen horses interact" I think she was referring to the idea that horses see humans as their herd leader...as a sort of replacement for the horse leader. I agree that there is no evidence that the horse sees someone who does NH with it as a replacement for a horse. In order to say that, one needs to be able to read a horse's mind. Relationship counselors working in the human context usually advise one not to read the mind of one's partner, as mistakes can be made, and the wrong assumptions made about the partner's thoughts may well not be helpful. It is relevant to look at what happens when natural horsemanship is practiced, as inis the horse no longer rearing, screaming, bolting, etc after he/she has been exposed to the natural horsemanship training? As BF Skinner said, it is more accurate to view the horse's mind as an opaque black box and assume you cannot read it. That way, one can focus on what actually happens when one interacts with the horse. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Crafty
This message is from: Gail Russell I would agree. Animals are honestthey act according to their feelings in the moment, not by plotting. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: lump on horses left leg
This message is from: Gail Russell Pigeon fever? But I would think it would be sore. Gail There is a large almost golf ball sized lump on the very top of hisleft front leg. (On the part almost where the wrinkles arenot exactly underneath). It is not hot or sore...just a firm lump. Is it a hematoma possibly from his hind foot scratching? or what could it be? Hopefully some of you would have some idea. Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's and Deere Country Peppin's mom) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Interesting bike/carriage/riding safety light on Indiegogo
This message is from: Gail Russell You might want to look at this brake light...an independent business financing item. Love, Mom -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Diana Calder Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:38 AM To: Carriage Driving List; fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com; drivingpa...@googlegroups.com Subject: Interesting bike/carriage/riding safety light on Indiegogo This message is from: Diana Calder These guys didn't quite make it with their Kickstarter campaign so they're trying again on Indiegogo. If this light is really capable of everything that they say it is, it would make a great safety item for riding/driving on the road - or even on trails in a group setting. A lightweight, easily removable deceleration/brake/general visibility light that can be attached almost anywhere (helmet, seatback, etc.) and doesn't require any wiring (just a couple of AA batteries)? Sounds great to me! I'm not associated in any way with the folks behind the campaign, I just think it's a great idea and maybe some other horse folks will think the same and help push the campaign relaunch over the top on the funding goal this time. Here's the link if anyone's interested: http://igg.me/p/lucidbrake-intelligent-bike-brake-light/x/3556680 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Abrasive Trim clinic Wisconsin/Mich
This message is from: Gail Russell See below. Is anyone interested in a barefoot abrasive trimming clinic. Look up Soft Touch hoof care for details about the grinder that is available from Phil, and about abrasivetrimming. It is much easier, but I do find that horses do not like the trimmings hitting their bellies. One needs an upside down applied bareback pad...or something like that. Gail From: abrasivehorsehooftrimm...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:abrasivehorsehooftrimm...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:42 AM To: abrasivehorsehooftrimm...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [abrasivehorsehooftrimming] Re: trim clinic near wisconsin/michigan I would be interested too, and I live in south central Minnesota. Also have another friend in this area that would be too. So that's 2 more. --- In abrasivehorsehooftrimm...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:abrasivehorsehooftrimming%40 yahoogroups.com>, "candy" mailto:forpets@...>> wrote: > > I am wondering if there is anyone who would be willing to get a clinic with Phil going in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ilinois or Minnesota? I would be willing to travel to most of the locations in any of these states if someone could organize it. Thanks candy My private email if needed is > forpets @tds. net > __._,_.___ Reply via web post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abrasivehorsehooftrimming/post;_ylc=X3oDMT JxcWpxbjhtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjgxOTkyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARtc2d JZAM3NjQ2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDU4MjUyMQ--?act=reply&messageNu m=7646> Reply to sender <mailto:ranchstyl...@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20trim%20clinic%20near%20wiscons in%2Fmichigan> Reply to group <mailto:abrasivehorsehooftrimm...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20trim%20clin ic%20near%20wisconsin%2Fmichigan> Start a New Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abrasivehorsehooftrimming/post;_ylc=X3oDM TJmMGw2MjhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjgxOTkyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZW MDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ1ODI1MjE-> Messages in this topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abrasivehorsehooftrimming/message/7631;_y lc=X3oDMTM1bWEydmwwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjgxOTkyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1ND M4NARtc2dJZAM3NjQ2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDU4MjUyMQR0cGNJZAM3NjM x> (9) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abrasivehorsehooftrimming;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZn ZwcG5zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjgxOTkyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZWMDdnR sBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ1ODI1MjE-> [http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDM TJlc2h0MWlvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MjgxOTkyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE1NDM4NARzZW MDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDU4MjUyMQ--> Switch to: Text-Only<mailto:abrasivehorsehooftrimming-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subjec t=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional>, Daily Digest<mailto:abrasivehorsehooftrimming-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email% 20Delivery:%20Digest> * Unsubscribe<mailto:abrasivehorsehooftrimming-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subj ect=Unsubscribe> * Terms of Use<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> * Send us Feedback <mailto:ygroupsnotificati...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20re designed%20individual%20mail%20v1> . __,_._,___ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Gail Russell Have you considered trimming yourself? Have you seen the Soft Touch Grinder? Subscribed to the yahoo abrasivetrimming list? I feel your pain! By the way, I have a grey Fjord with an upright hoof. Always has tended to be like that, despite absolutely regular hoof care since he was born. My current barefoot trimmer, who I think is wonderful, says that toe crack could be coming from too high heels putting pressure on the toe. Since this trimmer worked on him, that hoof crack seldom comes back ...though this horse's heels try to grow too long ALL the time. Gail . My main riding horses are now the 2 fjords and one of them needs to be on a 4 week schedule to keep the flare out of his hoof and keep it from cracking at the toe. I've mentioned before that the farrier that does the big horse only does a 6 week schedule because he has so many clients and for his personal life. Unfortunately the west coast of Florida is not like the east coast or Ocala area where good farriers and horse vets are a dime a dozen and if you don't like one you can easily get another. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Re: Introduction
This message is from: Gail Russell Be careful about all the pschoanalysis of why Bam Bam was unable to stand for the farrier. BF Skinner always cautioned that the organism (BAM BAM) should be treated as a "black box." You have no idea of his motivations or what else is going on in his head. It is enough to just accept the fact that he does not know how to deal with this situation, and figure out how to prepare him for picking up his feet in a variety of situations, including with a farrier who approaches in any old manner. I know horse trainers who pretend to be falling down drunks trying to mount their horses.get the horse used to anythingand the truth is that many many horses will eventually have to deal with a falling down drunk person :). I encourage you to buy Alexandra Kurland's books and join her "click that teaches" list. She is a trained behavioral scientist, as are some of the people on her list. Also, consider going to the Clicker Expo or to the Wicked Minds conference in January at Texas State University. GAil ? When he started with Odi, he didn't introduce himself or go slowly, just had me hold him and went at his feet.? So after that, I got Bam-Bam, and the farrier couldn't even get near him, he went wild when the farrier?started?got close to us.? He didn't rear, but he was jumping all?around and it was hard for me to hold onto.? The farrier was like, OK, no way, and he turned around and left.? The Bam-Bam was fine.??Bam-Bam just didn't want that bad guy carrying torture-implements (for all he knew) getting close to him. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Re: Introduction
This message is from: Gail Russell You need to train an opposite "action" as he has gotten the idea that movement is being rewarded. It is tricky to clicker train foot stuff because they get too enthusiastic. I would start rewarding for keeping all "four on the floor." Under various circumstances. Then, train the picking up of the foot and make sure to put it under stimulus control. I have never really gotten down how to have really good stimulus control. Kathy Sdao has a DVD or two on the subject. One place to look at is Clean Run, which is a dog agility training site. They have lots of DVD's on various details of training. All of it is positive reinforcement training. Not because they have a "thing" for it, but because it is the only thing that works to train winning agility dogs. Overall, it sounds like you need more of the training detail. I sympathize. I have had some mishaps training behaviors involving feet. However, these things are fixable. It does sound like you need to do a lot of training of quiet behaviors. Have you worked on "head down?" Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Motivating My Fjord
This message is from: Gail Russell I would try the food avenue, with a click. Maybe, put him in a round pen and ask for a trot or canter. As soon as he starts to trot or canter, click and then treat with a carrot or apple piece (small). Then put some kind of single item in the round pen that he will reach (a cone) or go over (cavaletti or jump). When he reaches the cone or jump, click and treat. It will not take long before he will start rushing over to the jump or cone. In fact, it will become a bit of a problem. You will have to teach an "opposite, incompatible behavior" to defuse the fact that he will become a cone or jump seeking fool once he figures out the game. (Everyone worries about food-trained horses mauling their owners for treats. Little do they know that that is not the biggest problem with food training. If you do not teach an opposite, countervailing behavior, the enthusiasm for the trained behavior can get out of hand. (By the way, the way to stop mugging is to teach an opposite incompatible behavior, that of turning the head away when food is offered without a preceeding click.) I had a Fjord that did not like to canter and did not like to jump. Using carrots and clicks we had him pulling toward the jumps. Another thing you can do is squeeze with your legs. The second he goes forward, click and treat. Yes, he will stop dead, so you are not really getting what you want in the end, but you can slowly work up to more steps or more energy (not both in the same training cycle). The above is a quickie explanation. You should really buy one of Alexandra Kurland's books and join her e-mail list, and read the blogs of some of the people who subscribe to that list as well. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: clicker training
This message is from: Gail Russell I was ommenting on another post, but I see that I goofed and took out the identifying information of the poster. I suppose that the real problem is that people go to clicker training out of a distate for the roughness of some conventional training, but without some of the requirements needed to extinguish pushy behavior via clicker training.. Like a really good understanding of timing, and the resolve to practice, practice, practice the basics And not to put the horse in a tempting situation until the "alternate incompatible behavior"s are very well installed.. I have a pushy horse that I have had problems clicker training as he has learned to grass dive. He can be handled in a very soft, light way as long as he does not see something else he wants to do more. I have not been consistent enough in my training to get him to the point that he has knee jerk reactions/habits to respond to my cue. I believe that, at some point, horses are helpless to "disobey" because they are just so well trained that they do not even think of doing anything different when cued for a given behavior. ! Getting a horse that has been allowed to get pushy beyond that is not easy. CeCe Henderson had a Fjord stallion who was a serious problem with bolting and pulling away. Alexandra Kurland helped CeCe with him, and CeCe brought the stallion to the Libby show in the late 90's where she did a clicker demonstration. The horse was very good. But CeCe had had expert help. I went to a CHris Ellison clinic last weekend. He has worked with Tom Dorrance and Ray Hunt (probably when he was three years old...he doesn't look that old) . He is a conventional trainer, but I saw something very interesting. There was a big Hackney horse that was standing on top of his owner, throwing his shoulder into his owner on circles and was fearful of approaching other horses. The owner was doing the conventional rope throwing and swinging, and the horse was clearly annoyed/fearful. There was a real possibility that he might eventually decide to kick or strike. All Chris did was gently and persistently move the horse out of his space with the back of his hand, and teach the owner the correct mechanics for "leading" a horse out on a circle, and sending him off without overdoing the cue. By the end of the day, the horse was much softer and looked much happier. The real issue was not to get tough on this gelding, but to use correct mechanics. Part of the reas! on I like clicker training is that, even if you are horrible at the physical mechanics, you can often get the correct behavior because the horse is motivated to figure you out. I clicker train my dog, and am no genius at it, but she fills in for me. If I spent as much time clicker training my horses, I think I would be much further along in extinguishing my gelding's problem behavior. ANother example with my pushy horse. We went to load him in the trailer prior to hauling him a great distance. He was not interested in loading. I tried the rope swinging, and he managed to pull out of his halter (not buckled correctly) and took off. My mechanics with a rope are not good enough to load a horse that knows how to pull away. So, I turned to clicker training. We did put a rope into the trailer and Jim just held it. Then I started asking him to go forward via clicker training. Took about 3 minutes and he was on the trailer with no more drama. Sometimes, I think that the real issue with conventional training that is poorly applied is that even the pushy horses are not just stubborn, but they are sensitive, and are resentful of what comes across to them as unfair punishment for not responding to incomprehensibe cues. That certainly appeared to be the problem with the Big Hackney horse at the clinic. Gail This message is from: Ulrike Schnabl ulischn...@hotmail.com But handler errors do. And it seems to me that gentle natured people are the ones most attracted to clicker training, and most likely to let the horse get away with pushy-ness or rudeness. What a statement Gail,it implies A, that gentle natured people are "faint of heart" and B that they are push overs.I consider myself to be a gentle natured person and let me tell you I am far from both of these implications. Uli Schnabl,Chase BC Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: cinch chix nets
This message is from: Gail Russell I suspect the holes on your round bale net are bigger tban the 1 inch holes in some of the newer cinch chix nets. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Cindy B Giovanetti To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 22:08:12 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: cinch chix nets This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti <> I have been using a Cinch Chix round bale net for 3 years now. It has held up perfectly. It certainly protects the hay (from being strewn around and pee'd on), and it slows the horses down. They have no trouble eating from it, but they do have to pull out the hay bit by bit. On the other hand, my horses (not Fjords, but easy keepers) are still chubby. So I can't say it will help you keep yours slim. But I do think it's a good way to spread their consumption out over the course of the day. Cindy Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: cinch chix nets
This message is from: Gail Russell I have chow hound horses out on a dry lot right now with a hanging 1 inch Cinch chix net, and a 1 or 1 1/4 inch Nibble net. Also a Porta Grazer. The horses emptied the Nibble Net and the Porta Grazer overnight, but the Cinch Chix net is still full. Of course, it had more in it, but I think it is telling that it is the last to empty. Gail Talking: One problem with the really slow feeders is that they stand around a lot because it takes so long for them to eat. . And I think you are in a humid climate where you might not want to put a bale of hay on the ground that would not be consumed in a day or two. Tentatively, my recommendation is to make a couple of my barrel feeders and hang them from posts spread about a little so they have to walk between them. Also, if you are in a sandy area, you have to make certain the fines of the hay that will be knocked onto the ground go onto a surface or into a tub that does not have sand in it. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Slow Feeder Experiment with Cinch Chix Nets and Plastic Barrels
This message is from: Gail Russell I just wrote the post below to the ECHorsekeeping list, and thought I would post it here as well. By the way, do not try this with Freedom Feeder nets. They do not last. I found 35 gallon white STRAIGHT SIDED...(not tapered at the ends) plastic barrels. I have built one feed out of one by taking out the bottom and top, and lacing in a Cinch Chix Net 1 inch West Coast bale net. It fits perfectly around the barrel. I mount the barrel on the fence, preferably suspended on each side. I then got a plastic water trough to sit the bottom of the net in. It has to be tied to the fence. I can put about half a large (100 lbs plus) bale in it by simply throwing the hay in the top. I am working on getting my horses to free feed from it. It does solve the problem of having to load the net more often. I actually like the netting on the Chix nets better than the flat strapping on the nibble nets. We will see if the horses regulate. I spoke with the Cinch Chix help desk and they told me they thought I could probably make three feeders out of one West Coast bale net. With the long length of filled netting sitting in the trough, it is more like eating grass. HOWEVER, with a long length of filled netting, the horses are able to twist the netting. And they are able to pull the netting out of the trough. I am thinking about tying the netting to the bottom of the trough or just weighting it. With a trough, you can fill it up, and then drain it out. If you let the hay fall down into a long net and sit in the barrel (as opposed to suspended above the barrel), you can use the system to soak hay. I am thinking of taking the removed barrel ends and opening up the locking carabiner at the bottom of the Cinch net and lacing in the barrel bottom. That would hold the bottom of the net open, which would allow more hay to go down. There is an issue with hay fines falling on the ground in back of the net. I may need to get another barrel to lace into the back of the net so the fines fall into the trough, not pushed out the back of the net. This is a work in progress, but it is a fairly simple way to get hay nets that are very easily filled. I had some problems finding a barrel that was straight sided, not tapered at both ends. The ones I found are white, and are bigger than the blue tapered barrels. The white ones seem to be bigger than the blue or orange tapered barrels. Gail July 2009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: pergolide and side affects
This message is from: Gail Russell Our vet told us that the compounded Pergolide was often lacking in the amount of active ingredient in it. She says that the new, approved Pergolide has a calibrated amount of the active ingredient, and she finds it is much easier to calibrate the dosages, and she gets much better results. I know the lack of appetite is one of the side effects, and that there are supplements that often help with the side effects. There was also an issue with the liquid Pergolide degrading and not having enough of the active ingredient. In 2 yrs. she aged, and her last 6 months, the infections, tummy, teeth, eye, then several issues with her feet. Very very sad. It does seem to me in the 2 yrs. she was on it, she never improved and over time had more issues. But I feared taking her off the meds as what would she be like if while on the pergolide, she was going downhill? And yes, had her blood tested about 4 times during these 2 yrs., and seems it was always high Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Saddles
This message is from: Gail Russell I definitely agree about the Aussie saddles. So, why don't you just give me your Ricotti saddle that I know I love, and we're done. :) I do have a traditional saddle that I love, and that I have not come out of even in big spins, but there is no slot for my leg and I can only ride a short way before being in agony. You may be correct that a twist is necessary. I did try a Bob Marshall saddle 15 years ago and found my Fjord was totally outraged by it and I found it uncomfortable. I just thought they might have changed. Gail This message is from: Karen McCarthy Balance? "Seat"?Adjustment (placement, pad)?All of this comes into play in either type of saddle. Sorry, Gail I can't buy that these riders stayed in their saddles just b/c they were treeless.That they are good riders, (or just got lucky!) Same w/ Aussie saddles. But please, this is just my personal experience.Not trying to be pro or con. > From: g...@zeliga.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Ring bone
This message is from: Gail Russell >From this description below, it appears good trimming is important. Gail "How Does Ringbone Occur? Riding With Ringbone I personally own and ride a horse that has high ringbone. Although he is no longer a performance horse, I still ride him on trail and he is very comfortable because I give him what he needs. He responded very well to extracorporeal shockwave therapy (ESWT), but became lame again when I stopped riding during the winter rains. I will do another ESWT treatment on him to see if I can make him more comfortable. He has had joint injections, and I give him Legend I.V. and Adequan I.M. regularly. Initially he had a small bone spur on his pastern joint that turned into significant ringbone over the course of about three years. His current bony changes haven’t progressed over the last two years. On the whole this is very typical for this disease. He has been a great lesson for me on how to manage ringbone, how to manage the owner and that a horse with this disease can still have a good quality of life. —Janice Posnikoff, DVM The most common cause of ringbone is abnormal stress on the joint, causing joint surface damage and subsequent bony development. The abnormal stress can be in the form of poor conformation, imbalanced shoeing or working on poor ground surfaces. Base-narrow or base-wide conformation, combined with a toed-in or toed-out stance, creates increased weight-bearing forces on the inside or outside of the joint by causing the horse to land first on the outside or inside of the leg. These increased forces can cause microdamage to the cartilage on the joint surface and microtearing of the joint capsule or of the collateral ligaments (stabilizing ligament on either side of the joint). The body reacts to this microdamage initially as inflammation. Inflammatory cells release toxins that create more tissue damage and thin the joint fluid. More tissue damage creates more inflammatory cells, and a cycle begins of increasing damage. As the damage increases the body attempts to heal initially ! with scar tissue, which then progresses into bony development. The length of time it takes for this to occur varies and is dependent on many factors. The more trauma, and the more severe the conformational abnormalities, the quicker the disease progresses. Hoof balance, proper trimming and shoeing, footing and exercise are very big factors in this disease. Unbalanced hooves, as well as long toe/low heel, can cause severe stress on the joints. Shoeing a horse with shortened toes to increase breakover decreases the stress on the joints and helps reduce the inflammation, and can help slow the development of disease. Hard footing increases trauma on the joints, while deep footing increases the flexion of the joints leading to possible overflexion and damage to the joint capsule. " Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
