Re: driving at the Kentucky Derby
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Go Team Dagney! Best of luck to you all. Have fun. Karen Keith Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Wintec wide saddles
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I recently bought a Wintec Wide for my younger Fjord mare. I started her in a Wintec Isabel saddle with the widest gullet that I use on my other Fjord mare, but it never was a good fit and then as she started developing muscles and a top line, it no longer fit at all and was rolling on her. I bought the Wide at a Memorial Day sale and used it a few times and then took it to Fjord Fest in NC where I put 30 trail miles on and probably 9 hrs of lessons. The horse seems very comfortable in it, and the big surprise for me is that it's narrower in the twist than my old Wintec Isabel, so much more comfortable for me. My two mares are very different types. The one who wears the old Wintec Isabel is a big 14.2 hh 1200 lb chunk, and the one who wears the Wide is a 13.2 hh 900 lb sporty type. Go figure. Bottom line: I am very happy with my Wintec Wide, and more important, my horse is, too. Karen Keith, No. VA Sent from my iPad Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjords in the Rose Parade!
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I did find it on the RFDTV schedule when I clicked the link Gail sent, but it's listed on December 31, starting at 10 am Eastern standard time with a pre-parade special, and the parade is scheduled for 11:00 to 1:00 EST. Weird, they've got it on New Year's Eve Day. This is a New Year's Day parade, right? Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com wrote: This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com I did find their online schedule, but do not see anything I recognize as the Rose Parade. http://schedule.rfdtv.com/default.asp?i=35tz=0 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:41 AM, jern...@mosquitonet.com wrote: This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com If you have RFDTV you will see all the equestrian groups plus can watch the show of all the groups performing in the arena several nights before the parade. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 6 degrees at 11:30pm I really hope someone will record this portion of the parade and make it available to us somehow. It seems they cut out all the equestrian units from televised parades or show only the tiniest glimpses... How exciting for your group, though! --Kelly. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjords in the Rose Parade!
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Teressa, et al. I sent this email to both RFDTV and HGTV (appropriately edited for HGTV). I received a the response below immediately from RFDTV. Wow! I was composing and sent this at 8:47 and the reply came at 9:54 pm here on the East Coast. Maybe this will get the Fjord unit just a little more camera time. I am so proud of all you participating in the parade. (Sadly, the Rose Parade link I sent doesn't connect directly to the Fjord unit parade. Haven't figured out how to accurately copy links on this iPad. Never had a problem on my PC. Found it by googling fjords rose parade.) Karen, No. VA The following is from Patrick at RFDTV: We will get our web site fixed and accurate. RFD-TV never cuts away for commercials, and shows all equine groups, plus broadcasts Equestfest live each year featuring all the Rose Parade equine groups from the LA Equestrian Center. pg -Original Message- From: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com To: info i...@rfdtv.com Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:47 pm Subject: Scheduled coverage of Tournament of Roses Parade I understand RFDTV will be broadcasting the Tournament of Roses Parade on New Year's Day. Kudos! But when I went to your published schedule on your website, I found the coverage of the parade listed on December 31st, the day before the parade! I am a horse lover and am keen to see the equestrian units, but I am particularly interested in seeing the Norwegian Fjordhorses that will be in the parade. (Parade order #79). This is the first time Norwegian Fjords have been in this parade. They are unique in both looks and character, and I think your audience will find them charming. I speak from experience as I am the proud (and charmed) owner of two Fjords myself. Please don't cut away to commercials when equestrian units arrive. You may be surprised how many people tune in just to get a glimpse of the horse entries, and this year there will be even more as devoted Fjord fans will be glued to their TVs hoping for a glimpse of their favorite breed of horse. Additionally, the Norwegian Fjordhorse will hold particular interest to thousands of children this year as a Fjord is featured in the newest animated Disney film, Frozen, opening over Thanksgiving. You can see photos of and find out about Fjordhorses on the Norwegian Fjordhorse Registry website, www.nfhr.com. I also found a great deal of info about the Fjord unit at media.roseparade.net. Finally, although I do not get RFDTV in my cable package, I am aware of your coverage of the Rose Parade through buzz from Fjord and other horse-related internet sites and message boards. I thought you would want to revise your schedule so no one misses this highlight event. Sincerely, Karen Keith Sent from my iPad Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Winter Blankets for Fjords
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Curt, I'm using Centaur rugs. I get them at Saddlery Liquidators in Haymarket. Bella's had hers for two years, she has a winter rug and a lighter one, more like a windbreaker/raincoat. I just got one for Fia as well, as I may clip her this winter since she's now in some work. Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 25, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Curtis cepi...@yahoo.com wrote: This message is from: Curtis cepi...@yahoo.com Hi, Cross-posting this from the NFHR Facebook page. Dayna McTighe Anyone have any winter blanket brands that work for your fjords? Tough 1's are a no, too small in the neck. Pro equine fits but they are cheap. Some others are evening gown length. Just wondering if anyone has found a great fit. Take care! Curt Pierce Mathias, WV http://www.deepcreekfarm.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Listings to find a Fjord, deadbroke or child safe?
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I have a friend of a friend looking for a safe, schoolmaster type Fjord for an adult beginner who has fallen in love with the breed, so I'd be interested in any listings as described in the subject line. Friend of friend is in Virginia, but is willing to travel to find the right horse. She is new to horses but has a good friend and Fjord owner helping her and with whom she is trail riding, and additionally is taking lessons from a professional trainer. If you know of a suitable Fjord for sale, I'll be happy o pass on the info. Karen Keith Sent from my iPad On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:58 AM, rkymtnt...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: rkymtnt...@aol.com Hello - Is there a listing out there, for finding a deadbroke or child safe Fjord? I have been watching DreamHorse.com, national listings. Thanks, Sher Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Rasp
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com It's the sharpness of the rasp. I, too, started out with an old rasp from my farrier. But there was a reason she gave it away. It was pretty much used up. Then I bought a rasp from my local tack shop, Diamond brand. It was okay, still not very sharp, and I thought there must be something better. I'm lucky enough to live within 30 minutes' drive of a farrier supply store, so I recently stopped in there and got a rasp (don't know the brand) and it is nice and sharp and makes a world of difference. I also bought the mini rasp for miniature horses. Should have saved my money. Nice idea to make a shorter rasp for working under their short little legs, but the mini rasp doesn't have the sharp cutting edges of the other rasp. Last year I bought a Rider's Rasp, thinking that would be helpful in maintaining the mustang roll. Eh, not really much good. I like the idea of the Radius Rasp, especially that you can change out the blade. I see it's on sale, so maybe I'll give that one a go for keeping the mustang roll neat. If I do, I'll let you know. The other item I'd like is a Hoof Jack. Would like to just buy the one for minis, since I have one little guy, but need to find out first if it will stand up to the weight of a Fjord as well. Right now I'm holding hooves against my thigh, but would prefer the stability of any kind of hoof stand. I like the Hoof Jack because it comes with both the post and the little sling for holding hooves up. Be sure to wear gloves when rasping hooves, especially if you get a good sharp rasp. I like the knit cotton gloves with the nitrile coated palm. I keep them for all manner of barn and yard work. They're cheap, and give good protection without being bulky. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Sep 20, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com wrote: Those of you who raspdoes it take a lot of muscle, or is it the sharpness of the rasp that does it, or both? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I like the Easy Boot Gloves as well. They are nicely streamlined compared to the old Old Macs I had her in before. I had to add the power strap to the front, and they stay on great now. I do have to keep the hooves rasped and rolled myself between farrier visits as they do fit like a glove and don't tolerate the six or eight weeks of growth between farrier visits. I also have the Backcountry boots. It's the same shell as the Glove, but they've added the upper wrap around stuff like the Trails. Just a different option; I suppose more protection in rough going. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com wrote: This message is from: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com My Old Macs G-2 for Tunix need replacing. His heels seem too high for the Renegades. (I always thought his heels average in height, they fit my Zoe with low heels just fine). I'm looking at considering the Easy Boot Glove. Have any of you tried them? Any opinions? The screws coming loose has been an issue in the past, but the company states they have addressed that issue this year with a different screw set. Anyone purchased since the screw change? I've just returned Easy Boot Trails..the Velcro didn't fit around his ample hoof came off. I guess they would do better on a hoof that has a more substantial decreasing to a narrow pastern. Any info would be appreciated. From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Summer-fall
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Both my Fjords are shedding their summer coats, and my mini is as well. K Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com wrote: This message is from: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com Tunix has started his summer shedding. Zoe is usually a few weeks behind. Do all breeds do this summer shedding? I can't remember what my TBs Appys did. Any of you with better memories or currently have other breeds know about this? From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Is there a dun coastal inlet?! Shame on Alex and his writers!
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Additionally, the points on a bay horse are black, not brown. The agouti gene deals with the distribution of black, not brown, to the points (mane, tail, lower legs, tips of ears). Occasionally you will find a bay horse that has a very pale coat to the point where you might wonder if it's a bay or buckskin. Sometimes it's due to a sunburned coat, sometimes it's just a light shade of bay and sometimes it's a bit of both. But it's certainly not the norm. Shame on Jeopardy for not getting it right. The bay horse body color has a wide range of shades ranging from a horse that looks nearly black to the more common shades of red-browns and oranges and even an occasional tan. This is why, in my opinion, we have the different shades of brown dun in our Fjordies. Our brown duns are bays first, but the dun gene dilutes whatever shade of bay is present. Similarly, chestnut horses come in a wide range of shades and even point colors, and when the dun gene is present, you get a range of red dun shades as well. And just to stir things up on a related topic. My pet peeve is seeing references to the rare red dun gene, or grey dun gene, or white dun gene, or yellow dun gene. There's is no such thing. The dun gene is the same gene in each case (well, the white dun and yellow dun have an additional and separate dilute in play as well). The dun gene is simply diluting the base color of the horse. Brown dun = bay+dun. Red dun = chestnut+dun. Grey dun =black+dun. White dun = bay+dun+creme. Yellow dun = chestnut+dun+creme. (The creme gene is a dilute which creates palominos and buckskins in ordinary breeds. Palomino = chestnut+creme. Buckskin = bay+creme. So technically our white duns are buckskin duns, and our yellow duns are palomino duns.) The Fjord colors other than brown dun are only rare because of human selection. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com Dun or buckskin in my opinion too! Tan as a body color takes it out of the bay family...also IMO. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: sale of horses, Private Treaty
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Dont claim to be smarter than Fred, but I did go looking on Google. Here's what it says at http://horses.about.com/od/glossaryofhorsetermsp/g/privatetreaty.htm Definition: A private treaty is an agreement or contract between a buyer and a seller or between a stallion and a mare owner. The agreement is made directly between the parties involved. Breeders or sellers may wish to use a private treaty when they offer different terms for different situations. For example, a breeder may offer their stallion's services to purebreds, part-breds orgrade mares, or mares of a specific type or bloodline at different rates. This allows the stallion owner some control over the type of mares they will breed their stallion too. Mares that they favor may be serviced at a lower cost to the mare owner, than those they consider a less desirable match for their stallion. I guess the partbred and grade mare stuff doesn't apply to fjords, but you get the idea. Different terms for different situations. Karen, No. VA My answer is only a guess: Private Treaty...asking and selling price not revealed?? Now, somebody smarter than I am: answer the question... Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Fjord in Rhinelander, WI
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Are there any Fjord folks in or around Rhinelander, WI? There is a new Fjord owner in the area who got a young (4yo) gelding (not yet registered) from a rescue organization, along with a mule. New owner has chosen clicker training. She is new to horses but has background in CT with dogs. She has described behaviours of the Fjord which sound pretty normal for a bright, take-charge kind of horse personality. Kind of like a border collie, but the trouble is the personality is a bit overwhelming in a thousand pound package. The mule does not seem to be any problem for her, just the Fjord. Is there anyone in the area knowledgeable of the amazing Fjord mind who may be able to give some advice? I'm a little concerned that this gelding may end up labeled as a bad or sent to a trainer who may rough him up, or back in a rescue situation without some guidance. You can contact me off list and I'll link you up. I know there are plenty of Fjordies in Wisconsin, but when I looked up Rhinelander on the map, it seems to be way up in the back of beyond. I hope there's someone nearish. Karen Keith, No. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: pondering
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Perhaps your Stine Gutten was dis'ing the judge for being so rude. If you had a ring steward opening and closing the gate and deciding who goes in and when, the judge shouldn't snap at you. Maybe your very intelligent pony took umbrage at the judge's tone and decided not to work for her. His way of flipping her off because he has no middle finger. I wouldn't worry about it happening again unless you run into another shirty official. After all, Stine is an artiste (obviously since this was a championship) whose talents must be respected. Congrats on taking your Fjordie to a championship show. That tells me you two did a lot of good work to qualify to get there. Cheers! Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2011, at 9:31 AM, bbd...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: bbd...@aol.com Anyone have a good theory as to why this Fjord suddenly quit? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
War Horse, on stage in NYC
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Yesterday morning I woke up and picked up my iPad to peruse my emails. I saw Carol Rivoire's post to the CD-L about seeing War Horse in London and mentioning it's playing in NYC. Well, I just happened to be in a hotel in NY and no firm plans for the evening (my husband was attending a 2-day business conference and I just came along for the adventure of the big city), so I scrambled to get tickets to see War Horse at the Vivian Beaumont Theater at the Lincoln Center, right across the street from The Juilliard School. I was worried the seats wouldn't be great. We were way over to the right about halfway up the orchestra level, but as it turned out, I don't think there's a bad seat in the house. Even better, the actors use the aisleways, and my husband and I were seated right next to one. Joey the horse came right by us a couple of times. The puppetry was fantastic. The horses are very believable and you can definitely respond to them as living beings. And maybe that's why I left the theater a bit disappointed. While I loved the horse characters, I just could not warm up to the human characters. The boy, Albert, who raised Joey from a foal, was such a wimp. He spent way too much time on his hands and knees whining and beseeching Joey to calm down, or learn to pull a plough. Any time Joey got upset, there was Albert throwing himself to the ground to calm him. Yikes! Not a training technique I would employ. When Albert was given the task of teaching Joey to pull a plough in seven days (as part of a drunken bet by his drunk of a father, another unlikable character), Albert stood directly in front of Joey, explaining the urgency of learning this task or being lost in the bet, and he emphasized his words by jerking the reins down over and over. Ouch! Maybe if the dadgum puppets weren't so believable I wouldn't have been bothered by this, but it just made me cringe! Perhaps I'm just a cretin from the country and don't understand the theater arts. Also, Joey is described as a hunter, half TB, half draught (I assume what we call an Irish Sporthorse today), but for some reason they portray his pulling a plough as beyond the ability of this type of horse. Although I never asked my ISH to pull anything, he certainly had the brain, temperament and substance to do the job. But that being said, I'm glad to have seen War Horse on stage. Now I want to get hold of the book and read it before the movie comes out. In summary, if you have the chance, go see the stage performance. Just plan ahead so you don't have to buy your tickets from a reseller at the last minute and pay a good deal more than the face value. Ticket resellers have websites and are legal; ticket scalpers work the sidewalk outside an event and have to dodge the law. Go figure. I'm back home in VA now, but did enjoy my little sojourn to the city. BTW, the absolute best bang for the buck (pun intended) in NYC is the dollar I dropped in the Naked Cowboy's guitar in Time Square. He's absolutely adorable, gives kisses, and surprisingly, not the least bit creepy. I have photos! :^) Cheers! Karen, No. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
FJORDS ROCK! or Our First Horse Show
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Brag Alert! Wow, I've waited a long time to get to write an email like this. But today was one of those days where you just want to let someone (everyone) know. Today was the day I took my Bella (Nor-Fin's Ellen) to her first horse show. We have been doing a lot of trail riding and also participating in musical rides (kind of quadrille stuff) with my local riding club since the start of the year, but I thought this low-level fun show would be a good test to see how Bella would do with strange horses (and colorful jumps) in an outdoor arena. I plan to show Bella at the Small Draft Festival in Virginia (being held in connection with the eval in July), and I just wanted to expose her to a show situation. My dear Bella did not disappoint. She wasn't the least bit fazed at being among all the strange horses and ponies. She was the only Fjord, and of course she got lots of comments and compliments. The show was held at a hunter facility, and all the other horses were TBs, TB crosses (field hunter types) and hunter ponies. Bella was certainly the odd man out. We entered five classes, two in hand and three ridden. All the ground work and liberty work I do with Bella paid off in droves in hand. We took 2nd in the halter/conformation class, and I have no doubt that had to do, in part, with the fact that Bella will really trot out in hand. I hadn't done much of this with her since her eval two years ago, but we have done other in hand work, and when I asked her to go, she did. As soon as I knew she was right there with me, I lengthened my stride to really show that she can and will move. The second class was showmanship, where we had to perform a pattern -- a circle right at trot, stop, quarter turn left, then back up, and stand for presentation. We placed 1st in showmanship. Woo hoo! We entered three ridden classes -- Greenie Hack W/T, Greenie Hack W/T/Back up, and Greenie Hack W/T/Individual Canter. I told you this was a low-level show. :^) And don't worry, I was not the only grownup in there mowing down Pony Clubbers. Not that anyone mowed down Pony Clubbers; in fact, it was we adults who had to watch out for kids on ponies. They seem to be quite unaware that there is anyone else in the ring. But the class was mostly adults on big honking hunters, and me on my golden pony. In the walk/trot class, I mostly worked with Belle to try to get her bending properly. That horse loves to drop a shoulder and bulge through her corners. So I was pleasantly surprised at placing 4th. In the walk/trot/back up class, it was pretty much more of the same, I continued working on her bending and softening to my inside rein. Her back up was a bit slow, but without all that unsightly (and gotta be uncomfortable) pulling on her mouth. I wasn't surprised at her less than exuberant response to the back up since she had been standing there quite relaxed awaiting her call to back. I will have to think about how to bring up her energy in prep for backing without first getting a forward step. Anyone have any ideas? I was completely surprised when we were called as 1st place. I think that judge must have liked my Fjordie. Finally we came to the walk/trot/individual canter class. This one was W/T/W, reverse direction, W/T/W, then line up nose to tail at the end of the arena and strike off at a canter one at a time to canter around on the rail for about 3/4 of the ring, rejoining the back of the line. Now this may not seem like a big deal, but canter departs and just cantering in a ring are something I had just introduced to Bella. When I first got Belle, she definitely had some anxiety about the canter. Last summer and this year, we have been throwing some canter into our trail rides, and with encouragement and generally good experiences, her anxiety has subsided. She is learning to enjoy moving out with her trail buddies. However, in a riding ring it was a different story. She would get rushy and strung out. So instead of allowing that to become ingrained, I specifically went to an instructor who teaches canter from the walk. She says it's easier for the horse to organize her feet for canter from walk rather than trot, and I believe she's right. It certainly looks a lot nicer. We do a lot of transitions, W/T/Halt/T/W etc., and when asking for canter, it's from trot, transition to walk for two or three steps, canter. The trot creates the energy, while the few walk steps allow her to organize her feet before striking off. Initially, Belle was still skeptical, and my aids were less than fluid, but with a bit of encouragement with a whip tap, a buck from Belle as she leapt into canter, and lots of praise for her try, she has come around nicely in just two lessons and a bit of work at home. Which brings me back to today's show. When it was Bella's turn to leave the group (psychologically difficult for the horse to leave the herd), she took
RE: for the knitters in the group
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Very cool idea, Lindy! Thanks for the link. And for those who couldn't open it, here's the link again, corrected: http://www.nogoodforme.com/2011/04/01/proof-that-our-readers-are-total-genius es/ I'll have to put this into my pot of ideas and let it stew for a while. Karen, No. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Jen Frame?
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I think you will find her on the clickryder list and/or the imagineahorse list, both on Yahoo Groups. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Mar 11, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net wrote: This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net Wondered if anyone on the list has stayed in contact with Jen Frame, I think that is her last name. She is living in the Hill Country, Texas. I’d switched computers and lost most of my email contacts. thanks. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Electric horse fencing
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Kelly: Have a look at Horseguard Bi-Polar Fence. It may be just the ticket. Horseguard is more expensive than the stuff you find at Tractor Supply, but I have fenced two horse properties with it now and have been very happy. And that's with their standard stuff. They came out with the bi-polar after I fenced my second place. Good luck. I know I had problems in Colorado in the summer sometimes because the ground got so dry, and I would put a trickle bucket (5-gallon bucket with a couple of holes drilled low on the side to allow water to seep out) next to the ground rod to keep that area moist. I only managed to get the ground rod in 6 or so feet, so not so deep. Cheers! Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad .We have had our fence in place for 3 years, and I have never been satisfied with it...Where we live it is rocky and sandy...We were never able to get the grounding poles in the full 10 feet... I am concerned about the charge for the electric fence...Is there another way that the fence can be grounded so the charge can go further...Also the fence is only at it's strongest when the ground is very wet...as it dries out it gets weaker and weaker. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Dala horse cake pan at IKEA
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I was at IKEA this weekend looking for storage options for my closet. But no visit to IKEA is complete without a browse of their Marketplace. You never know what you'll find, but for me it's usually some kitchen widget I never knew existed but absolutely can't live without. This time it was a set of two cake pans in the shape of a dala horse, one large and one small. Just had to have it, and I've already given it a test drive (or would that be ride?), and made brownies in the large pan. Worked great. Not sure what you can do with the little pan since it is a single serve size. That would be a long day of baking individual mini cakes one at a time. I suppose you could bake one and put it on top of a regular layer cake. Or maybe just attach a hanger and use it as a Christmas tree ornament. The pans are red. But I thought some on the list might be interested. I haven't figured out how to insert a web link with this iPad yet, but if you google dala horse cake pan, you will find the IKEA link. It's only $9.99. Can't beat it for a bit of horsey whimsy. I also saw three carved wood dala horses, about 16 inches high, on display with wreaths around their necks. Hunted down an IKEA employee to see if they were for sale, but no joy. She said they sold them about two years ago and they flew out the door. Duh! This store kept these three for display, and people ask all the time. Double duh! Hey, IKEA, I think you're missing a marketing opportunity here. Cheer! Karen, No. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: NFHR.com website updates
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Hi Jeanne. Will these be for sale at the education conference? I prefer to try on for sizing before I buy. Thanks! Karen K., No. VA Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Jeanne jeann...@frii.com wrote: This message is from: Jeanne jeann...@frii.com Hi Everyone, Please check out the NFHR.com website for new information regarding some great new items we just received for the Marketplace. Great new vests and oxford jackets for both men and women. Also, the new BOD members as well as our newly elected officers have now been posted. You can also see the new contact information for our new Executive Director, Nancy Newport. And, please refer to the website for the new contact information for the NFHR office for mailing in registrations or transfer reports. Reminder to signup and attend the NFHR 30th Anniversary Celebration and Mike May's retirement celebration, as well as the Educational Forum later this month in Tennessee. Hope to see everyone there! Jeanne Poirier NFHR Registrar Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Could It Get Any Easier?
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Okay, I just went to the NFHR website to renew my membership and register for the Annual Meeting and Educational Forum. I used the interactive forms and paid by PayPal for both. Boom! I'm done. How easy was that? For a procrastinator like me who puts off finding the checkbook and an envelope and a stamp, then driving down to the mailbox before the mailman arrives -- oh, heck, that sounds like too much work, I'll do it tomorrow. Hats off to the NFHR website for making this so simple. Looking forward to the Forum in Tennessee. Karen Keith, No. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Dala horse fabric
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I was innocently surfing the net for something else entirely and happened to run into this cute fleece fabric online at Hancock Fabrics. It's got dala horses all over it, and it's on sale! I think my Fjordies need some handmade fleece coolers. http://tinyurl.com/yep3ok6 Cheers! Karen, No. Va _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Silent Auction at NFHR conference
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I just finished a knitting project, an afghan, which I am donating to the silent auction being held at the NFHR conference this weekend. I'm telling the list because there's no one here at the house to show it off to (ponies just aren't interested in knitted stuff), although my knitting group coo'ed over it yesterday while it was in its final stages. Suffice to say, there are Fjordies all over this afghan. I managed to knit in four of the five Fjord colors. I've posted photos at my webshots album for anyone interested: http://tinyurl.com/3xp7ks I don't know if this silent auction is available to other than conference attendees, but if someone is interested in bidding, I imagine you could contact Margaret Bogie for more info. Her contact details are listed at the bottom of the page of conference info on the NFHR site: http://www.nfhr.com/catalog/index.php?forum=1 For those of you attending this weekend, I'll see you there. Cheers! Karen Keith No. VA _ Shopping Trolley Mechanic If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
NFHR conference this weekend
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Hi Jeanne. Going to miss you this weekend. But the invitation is still open if you ever make it to the East Coast. I've got Suse Petersen staying with me during the conference. I've threatened my husband that I may take off for Denver and go to Stock Show. Need any more grooms for the show? Cheers! Karen _ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Gooseneck Lock Recommendations?
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Hi Gail. I'm back from vacation and I hunted up the gooseneck lock. Here's a site that gives a good pic: http://www.towshop.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=516 and an Ebay sale with a pic of it locked on the coupler itself: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Blaylock-TL-50-EZ-Lock-Gooseneck-Trailer-Coupl er-Lock_W0QQitemZ190314386263QQcmdZViewItem I told you I'd let it go for $20 plus shipping. I've just checked the USPS flat rate boxes - it will fit in a medium - and that rate is either $9.85 or $10.35 (they give an online rate or I guess the other is going into the post office to do this). Either way, $30 will cover all if you are still interested. Just let me know. Cheers! Karen Keith From: plumg...@pon.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Gooseneck Lock Recommendations? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:54:47 -0700 This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net We impulse bought a 2 horse bumper pull trailer at the Sacramento Expo last weekend. It is designed to go with our new (old...1995) Lance Camper and allow us to visit Fjord friends and make pests of ourselves by bringing our horses and camping out in their backyards. :) While talking with the Silverlite rep, we realized that our insurance is unlikely to pay us adequately for our 1997 aluminum Silverlite trailer if we should have it stolen or wrecked completely. We paid about $14500 for it. THe rep said it is worth $28K, and the aluminum in it is pretty valuable as well. Also, we store all of our tack in it. So...I decided we need to get a gooseneck lock for it that works when it is off the truck and sitting in our yard. Anyone have experience with gooseneck lock types? I want something that is easy to apply, will not corrode, and works. It looks like the Guardian lock is probably the best thing..so far. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f _ Looking for a new car this winter? Let us help with car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
My herd is complete
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com This is a not so quick update for those who know me. My herd is now complete, with the arrival of Nor-Fin's Ellen, a 7yo brown dun , bought from Sally Kjorsvig in South Dakota. Ellen, who has been rechristened Bella, arrived in Virginia about two weeks ago at 9 p.m. in the middle of a terrific thunderstorm and downpour. So bad that the transporter had to stop in a grocery store parking lot just three miles from the house because he couldn't see to drive. But Bella got off the trailer and went to her stall with no dramas. The next morning Bella got her first real look at her new roommates, Bo the 31 mini and Fia the white dun yearling. Fia was no problem, but when Bella saw Bo, her eyes bugged out of her head, she spun around and hid behind the barn for a day and a half. Pretty funny when you consider she outweighs Bo by a factor of 5x. I guess spending seven years of life with only Fjords for companions didn't prepare her for other types of equines in the world. But I gave her time to come around on her own, and she now accepts Bo as horse rather than monster. Bo was more puzzled than hurt by Bella's initial rebuff, but then, Bo has no idea he's short or odd looking to some horses. In his mind, he's just right. But I digress. This is about Bella. Bella was a bit flighty for the first several days. She would stand outside her stall with her head in, but felt the need to see and possibly flee any odd sights and noises, of which there are plenty at my barn. The barn is situated 30 meters off a busy secondary road, so there's traffic activity probably 20 hours a day. This must have been a huge change from her former home on South Dakota prairie land. Each day Bella has changed and become more at home. Initially, she was standoffish toward me, preferring to gaze off in the distance. She now greets my arrival at the barn with a nicker and looks to me for interesting input. Of course that includes groceries, but we've also started clicker training and she seems to be very interested. Bella's a funny thing, though, in that she does not recognize food in my hand. But I've found she's happy to work for a reward of the curry comb. So I've started her with some simple give to the bridle work in hand, and her reward is several swirls of a soft rubber curry in all the itchy spots. I just hope she doesn't find out I would have groomed her anyway. :^O But our initial bridle work is returning soft, lovely responses to the reins. Lovin' it! BTW, Bella has had 30 or 45 days of training, but I'm starting her afresh from the ground up. That way she knows exactly what I want and I can see what she knows already. Two days after Bella's arrival, I took her to Margaret Bogie's place for a practice evaluation clinic. I was absolutely pleased with the way she traveled and behaved. It was before she knew me and I knew her, and it could have been a disaster, but the Fjord temperament won out. I did learn that I would have to put some time in to teach her to trot in hand, but I think we'll have that sorted out by the time of the Herndon eval in mid August. Probably won't have her ready for any performance tests, though. Those will have to wait for next year. Now I have my completed herd. Bo is currently in driver's ed, so he will be my driving horse. Fia's job at the moment is to grow up, so the work we do is ground manners and just odd ball things I can think of. And Bella will be my riding horse for now. I'll spend some time assessing her temperament to see if she's a driving candidate as well. All I know is she will not fit in the harness from my last Fjord. Bella is a big, buxom girl. We put a stick on her at Margaret's and she measured out at 14.2hh. I've checked her girth with a weight tape, and it measures at 1255 pounds. She's a touch overweight, but not much, and I expect she'll come just right once she starts to work. Bella has a big, active walk and is a bit more goey than many Fjords. I'm looking forward to channeling her energy into dressage and jumping, and hopefully we will be foxhunting this fall. Fingers crossed. So that's the story of Bella, nee Ellen. And an update on Fia. Fia has been a joy since she arrived in Virginia. She's very much a girly girl, sweet and curious, wants to know everything I'm doing. She always comes to greet me and still lifts her nose to my face as she did the first day we met. She's gentle and delicate in her touches, and she always makes me smile. I think my husband is getting tired of hearing me say, Isn't she pretty? as we drive in or out of the property. Fia, too, enjoys the attention of a curry comb but feels compelled to return the favor with wither rubs. That's when I get Bo to move into Fia's range so she can fulfill her compulsion on his horse hide rather than my delicate human hide. Bo, on the other hand, is perfectly happy to receive and simply arch
RE: My herd is complete
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com The pedestal is aluminum. My sister, who manufactures dog agility equipment, had it made for Bo for Christmas. She has a fellow who makes her dog walks and A-frames, and she had him make the pedestal. I added the rubber mat on the top. http://overrover.com/ Cheers! Karen Where did you get that pedestal? Is it aluminum? Gail _ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://dating.ninemsn.com.au/search/search.aspx?exec=gotp=qgc=2tr=1lage=1 8uage=55cl=14sl=0dist=50po=1do=2trackingid=1046138r2s=1_t=773166090 _r=WLM_EndText Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: New you tubes and updated web site
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Well done, Lauren. Lovely soft, responsive horse. Karen, No. VA . We have been having fun with our web site and new youtube video please check us at out at www.fjordhorse.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwQ3T597ttA Enjoy Lauren _ Looking for a new car this winter? Let us help with car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Bird life
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Hi Lists: I know this has nothing to do with driving or horses, but for those of you who enjoyed my sister's Smugmug photos of Live Oak, she's now watching two bird nests -- a cardinal and a Carolina wren. I'm charmed by the photos and thought some of you would be, too. Enjoy! Karen, No. VA http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/gallery/8053290_K9SqM#524513886_Kcutm PAtti http://www.sylvanborzoi.com/ http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/ _ Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feeding fjords
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com You can get a fish scale from any sporting goods place (Walmart works). They range from the simple spring operated one to fancy electronic ones. I've had both. The electronic one didn't hold up well in an unheated barn through Colorado winters. I still have the little spring one. I hung the scale from a beam in the barn (baling twine works nicely here). Add a plastic laundry basket suspended from, again, baling twine. Fill the basket with estimated hay, hang the basket via baling twine to the hook on the bottom of the scale and -- voila! -- you've got your hay weighed. The electronic scale allows you to tare the scale with the weight of the basket. The spring one requires you weigh the empty basket and remember its weight, then subtract that number from the weight when filled with hay. As I recall, the difference in price for the convenience is the difference between about $5 and about $40. You decide. Cheers! Karen, Northern VA Just a quick question on this weighing of hay. What do you all use for a scale I'm guessing some sort of a hanging scale but would love more detail on how you do it. _ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Import/Exports
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Wow, Heather, exporting Guinea pigs! Who knew! Isn't it funny the different worlds we never knew existed but get a glimpse of in the most unexpected places. I found your post fascinating, and now my day is complete as I've learned something new. Cheers! Karen, No. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Import Bashing - Was CEM and Supporting American Fjord Breeders
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com For those who care, here goes. What attracted me to this unproven foreign youngstock? I wanted a white dun. That narrows the field drastically, as I'm sure you know, Bonnie, having been there yourself. So much for thousands of Fjords. Even at thousands, what percentage are for sale at any given time? Being able to look outside our borders increases the possibilities. With my foreign import, I was able to visit the farm and see several white duns from foals at side to yearlings, 2yos, 3yos, on up to the sire. I like having choice. I guess that's clear in my previous post. :^) I was able to have it in spades. Additionally, Eike and Suse Schoen-Petersen are long-time Fjord breeders, incredibly knowledgeable of international Fjord bloodlines, great conversationalists and just plain good folk. If you ask Eike a question, you're definitely going to get a full, complete and thoughtful answer and learn way more than you ever expected, whether it's Fjords, cattle, pigs, veterinary, Germany and Europe in general, and even the US. Good fun. Am I a breeder? I guess that depends on how this unproven foreign youngstock works out. But no, not up to now. Am I touchy? Yes, I suppose so. I've just made a huge purchase, some might say a gamble but all horses are a gamble, and I react to terms like unproven imported youngstock. How proven is any weanling horse? I guess we can look to its pedigree and parents' records. My filly's dam placed 1st in her 30-day performance test for Fjord mares as a 5yo in Germany. Okay, that's a plus. Last year, as a 13yo, she was declared overall champion horse at a Fjord show (70 horses) in northern Germany near the Danish border. Another plus. Eike recently regaled us with the results of my filly's sire at both Equitana and the German Jubilee Stallion Show at Essen a month or so ago. Plus, plus, plus. Finally, my filly has a record in her own right. As just a wobbly week-old baby, she scored highest of seven Fjord foals at the Fjord branding. Big fish, small pond, but definitely a plus. Then she went on several weeks later to place second in her filly class at the same show where her mama was champion. Again, plus. So is my import unproven? You bet she is. As was your little guy when you brought him home. What's the difference? A few thousand miles in transport when you come down to it. We have high hopes, but let's face it, all horses are a crapshoot. But she is a white dun, and that's what I wanted. And like you and your little guy, I believe my filly will some day be a positive influence on the gene pool of the American Fjord. Only time will tell. Good luck to us both. Finally, I was told by one American breeder, after hearing I was importing, that I was buying a pig in a poke. That put me off even looking at his stock, and I was in the market for a domestic Fjord as well. Found one last week, by the way, but had to go pretty far afield again, just not outside the country. So now I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of my little piggy and her domestic but unproven companion who will act as her nanny while she's growing up. Mike May, I'll be sending my check to join the NFHR today if I can get the printer working. Seems I've got some horses to register, hey? Cheers! Karen, No. VA _ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2 Fchannel%2Findex%2Easpx%3Ftrackingid%3D1046247_t=773166080_r=Hotmail_Endtex t_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Import Bashing - Was CEM and Supporting American Fjord Breeders
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Gee, it's a good thing the Morgan breeders didn't cop an anti-import attitude back in the 50s when the first Fjords were coming to America. I can see the Morgan people saying, Hey, whaddaya need a European all-purpose horse for when we've got the American equivalent right here, at least if you believe the Marguerite Henry Justin Morgan Had a Horse story. It occurs to me, from this piece that you have shared, that the most comprehensive control of this infectious disease is to STOP European importation, is that not correct? After all, every Fjord horse on the planet has an indisputably common ancestry. Therefore, one Fjord is the same as the next, I guess. So with that in mind it makes me wonder why one would buy young unproven stock from another country? When we have plenty to sell here in our own country? I can understand buying a licensed proven breeding animal that is used to improve the current stock, but if I were to buy young stock I would also like to see the my fellow breeders gain from it and keep some of the profits in the USA. Why would one buy from another country? Because it's a free market, we have free choice in the US. God Bless America. You would choose to buy young stock here; I chose to buy young stock overseas. Is this a great country or what? BTW, since keeping the profits in the USA is noted as a goal, I suppose buying young, unproven stock from a Canadian breeder would be verboten as well. Ouch-ka-bibble! Not very neighborly. Do I seem a bit tetchy on this subject? You betcha. It comes along as I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my young, unproven European stock. BTW, untrimmed posts don't bother me, so you won't see me cranky about that. Karen in Northern Virginia, still doing the Snoopy happy dance in anticipation of the new arrival. Just a few days left. _ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjords in the news
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Wow! It looks like there's a lot of PR activity in the Fjord community this spring. Way to go, all! Karen, N. VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
VA Fjord Eval
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I've seen a couple of references to the VA Fjord Eval. Is there one this year? And if so, when and where? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks. Karen, Northern Virginia _ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: VA Fjord Eval
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Thanks, Jim. I don't know how I missed that. I went looking at the calendar last time I saw the reference and didn't see anything there, but I see it now. Karen, Northern Virginia In the NFHR looks like it's on Aug. 14 - 15 in Herndon jim Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Horse shows and dog shows
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Hi List. I got a note from my sister in Florida. She attended the Live Oak CDE as a spectator and took a bunch of pictures again. She was there for both marathon and cones. Here's her email and a link to her Smugmug site: HI Karen: I went to the Live Oak Invitational marathon again this year, and since the weather cooperated, I went back on Sunday for the obstacle competition. Took about 1100 photos, and have gotten about 130 processed and up. I'v put so many hours cropping and editing at this point I've spent more than double the time with the photos than I spent at the event! This has to stop... ;-0 SO, at any rate, here is the link to this year's photos. I took extra of the Fjord horse for you. Have hundreds more, so if you want to see more of a particular team, I can process them for you if i have them. http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/gallery/7680738_DDook#498984161_Xhwwd OFf to the gym. PAtti http://www.sylvanborzoi.com/ http://zoisrus.smugmug.com/ Patti paid particular attention to the Fjord (driver Vivian Creigh) because she knows that's my breed of choice, and I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of a white dun filly from Germany. The filly should finally arrive sometime late this month. Woo-hoo! Now, about dog shows. This same sister is a dog show judge, and if anybody was watching Animal Planet Sunday night, the Rose City, Portland, Oregon, dog show, my sister Patti was the judge for Best in Show. I guess that makes me related to a television star! LOL And this is the same sister who drives her Borzois in pairs and sometimes unicorn to a four-wheeled dog cart. Cheers! Karen, Northern Virginia _ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property search for you. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2 F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline_t=774152450_r=Domain_ta gline_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Horse shows and dog shows
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Yes, the Lippies were really, really white! Karen Marvelous photos, but I confess to being distracted by the pair of Lippizaners Kate _ Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjords in the News
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com My sister in Florida sent me this link. There's even a white Fjord! http://floridatoday.com/article/20090406/NEWS01/904060313 Karen, in Northern Virginia, anxiously awaiting the arrival of her white Fjord Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjords in the News
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Whoops! Just checked the registry and that horse is a grey, not a white. I must have white on the brain. Heh-heh. Anyway, Fjords in the news. Yay! Karen _ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: DECALS?
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com If you have any talent working with images on the computer, you can make your own decals from your own artwork or photos. They sell decal paper in the office supply section of Walmart, right next to the iron-on transfer stuff. Work with your image or find one you like (be sensitive to copyright), and print your own decal. May not last as long as a professionally made decal, but hey, you can always print a new one as needed. Cheers! Karen, Northern Virginia I went to our small community Expo on Sunday. There was a gal selling decals, no Fjords. I made a comment about this and she said she can't find any. I believe it has to do with... copyrights? Any suggestions where I might find a decal? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Im not capable
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Oh, Kate. You provided me a laugh about eating your tomatoes, even amongst all this difficult conversation. I hope you enjoy them to the fullest! Nothing like a homegrown tomato. But a piece of advice -- whatever you do, don't give them names! LOL Karen in Northern Virginia, anxiously awaiting her filly from the German lift! It probably is my doom as a farmer - I can't eat anything I raise, although I have high hopes for the tomatoes this summer. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Sunday Sleigh
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com What a piece of work! Lovely sleigh and nice horse, too. Do you think you could put up some pics with close-ups of the sleigh? I'd really like to see the detail. Cheers! Karen Keith, Northern Virginia _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $50 http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #29
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Dear Fjord List: I've been combing the internet for Fjords for sale and came across one that I thought somebody up in the Michigan area or Northern Ohio might be interested in. There's a Fjord mare for sale in Windsor, Ontario, which is apparently close to Detroit. She's owned by a therapy program but she's not working out as a therapy horse. They're asking $2,000 for her and need to find her a new home soon. She might be registered, but the program didn't get her promised papers. She looks cute in her two pictures, sweet face and looks a nice enough type. I just thought someone who is closer to that area might be interested. I don't know anything about her except what's in her ad at Horsetopia.com and a couple of emails from Becky Mills,the head NARHA instructor. Here's the Horsetopia ad: http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/classifieds/ad337975 And here's the details of the woman who responded to my inquiries: Becky Mills Head Instructor-NARHA,CTRII Windsor/Essex Therapeutic Riding Association 4465 Huron Church line rd Windsor ON N9H 1H3 (519)969-1261 beckymi...@wetra.ca I hope this mare finds a new home! Karen Keith in Northern Virginia _ Get rid of those unwanted christmas presents! Get what you want at ebay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F 1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10_t=763807330_r=hotmailTAGLINES_m =EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Things to do when you can't ride
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I finally figured out how to get the video out of my camera and into my computer. Here's what I've been working on with my miniature horse Bo until my filly arrives from Germany in the spring. BTW, Bo will one day have a real horse job; he's also getting started in harness training. I think he'll be a hoot to drive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOaQdmBGle8 Enjoy! Karen, Northern Virginia Karen Keith said: BTW, right now I only have a mini horse. Guarantee ya I'm not riding him. But we are working on a version of dog agility training. It's a hoot. He jumps his little jumps, weaves through cones, walks a teeter board. There's lots you can do with a horse from the ground, if that's what you want to do. Or just enjoy their horsiness. If Karen is willing to share it, she is not just doing this with her mini. The work is all at liberty and it's really very good. Like she said, it's a hoot, but it's also amazing to see! Can't wait to see her enter an agility contest at a dog show...right Karen? ;-) Beth Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com _ Time for change? Find your ideal job with SEEK. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F% 3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahottag%3Achange_t=757263783_r=SEEK_t agline_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: not riding (kinda long)
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Lois said: So we moved to a beautiful golf course community where it never snows, someone else mows the grass and I have absolutely nothing meaningful to start my day. If people think owning horses without riding them is foolish I beg them to watch golfers spend fortunes chasing little white balls. Oh, Lois, this quote is a keeper. I married into a family of golfers who have always just thought I was nutty to have horses -- They're so expensive. My very first horse property was a 3-acre place in Florida that we had to clear and fence ourselves. The first time my avid golfer MIL came to visit, she took a walk around and proclaimed it smelled like horse poop. Arrggghhh! The only thing that saved the marriage was moving far away from the inlaws. :^P BTW, right now I only have a mini horse. Guarantee ya I'm not riding him. But we are working on a version of dog agility training. It's a hoot. He jumps his little jumps, weaves through cones, walks a teeter board. There's lots you can do with a horse from the ground, if that's what you want to do. Or just enjoy their horsiness. so I say enjoy your horses however you like them and never mind what others think. Happy New Year! Karen in Northern Virginia, looking forward to the spring when I'll be adding a Fjord filly to the place. _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Truly Crazy Horse Theft
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Dear Gail: You may want to get a driveway alarm to let you know if anyone even starts up your drive. I have used them in both my Colorado property and now my Virginia property and really like being alerted that someone is coming up to the house, long before they get to the front door. Admittedly, the deer sometimes trip it during the night, but the dog has learned not to react to the deer. Go figure. I think with her more acute hearing, she listens for the sound of an engine after the alarm buzzes. She's able to discern my husband's car engine and my son's from other engines as well. It's called Chamberlain Wireless Alert System #RWA-300R by The Reporter. http://tinyurl.com/5txetz (This is the Amazon site) I got my first one at Radio Shack, but you can get them cheaper at Amazon.com. As a matter of fact, I need to order another one to keep in the barn to alert me when I'm there. I can't hear cars from the barn, and that unfortunately, that cost me package delivery from the USPO because my dog had a go at the postie up at the garage while I was down with the horse. No bites, just scared him. Now I get to go pick up my pkgs from the post office the next day. :^( Bad/dangerous neighbors is a scary problem. Stay safe and good luck. Karen in Northern Virginia In the meantime, we know she will be back home tonight and a constant danger to us. We are on the road, on our way to pick up our Pembroke Welsh Corgi puppy that Lisa Pedersen found for us. Jim's son went to Home Depot and bought 8 locks and chains and put them on every single gate in the place. We will probably electric fence the perimter, and possibly install cameras and motion sensor alarms. I am really, really angry! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=669758 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: cold ? and crazy horse thieves
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com No, no, no, Beth. The driveway alarm alerts the bad a$$ homeowners, and I'm thinking they have a more vicious bite, perhaps backed up with a 12-gauge or better. Been hearing on the news about Denver in a deep freeze. Keep warm, ya'll! Karen, Northern Virginia Gail, WHAT THE??? I hope it was Rom that bucked her off...;-) Or maybe she tried to ride Gunthar? THAT would be a hoot. Forget the driveway alarm, get some bad a~~ guard dogs that really bite. Beth _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Guard Donkeys
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I, too, had a donkey. She was from feral stock, but born on a farm. I brought her home at 1-1/2 years old and she walked off the trailer in charge of the world. I was amazed that a youngster of any species could have so much self-assurance in a new environment. I wasn't looking for a guard animal, but she took up the job on her own. Initially, she chased my two dogs, and they quickly learned not to go in the pasture with her. But she eventually accepted my dogs as part of our herd and didn't bother going after them or even alerting when they were in the area. There were even a couple of times over the five years I had the donk where I saw a situation where the dog was trapped, and she didn't take advantage of the situation. Of course, I was sending her Do not stomp my dog thoughts. However, she continued her vigilance with strange dogs. I have a border collie of my own, but I was keeping a friend's border collie for a weekend. I was really surpised to see the donk react and go after this visiting collie when he wandered under the pasture fence, not near us but well down the fence line. Donk took off after him and sent him out of the pasture. I was surprised because I would have thought one black and white BC looked pretty much like another to a donk. No. Donk also used to run the fence line with the neighbor's black lab. The lab thought the donkey was playing with him. Labs think everyone loves them. The donk had her head down and ears pinned and looked for all the world like she wanted to kill. It was a dog-proof fence, but had the lab ever gotten in with donk, it wouldn't have been pretty. The donkey was a wonderful companion for my two Fjords, as well. When I took one off property for shows or other fun, the one left behind always had a friend. When I took both Fjords away for some function, donkey was fine on her own, but always welcomed the horse trailer back with a big hee-haw. And, Jeanne, donkeys are very efficient with their food -- they don't eat much -- so don't let that stop you from adding a longears to your herd! With their usually dun colored coats, they mix very nicely with Fjords. Cheers! Karen, now in Northern Virginia Rutilus Porta Farm _ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Hame knob cane
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a website selling those sticks. They call them hame top walking canes. http://www.brazos-walking-sticks.com/category/hame_top_canes.html?first=1 Cheers! Karen _ Net yourself a bargain. Find great deals on eBay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F 1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10_t=763807330_r=hotmailTAGLINES_m =EXT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Classified Ads
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve: I'm late replying but I really like having one place to go to see Fjords for sale. I regularly cruise through Dreamhorse, Horsetopia, AgDirect, etc., but have to wade through their selection process each time. (BLECH!) I'm sure I'll continue with those sales websites since not every Fjord seller is on this List, but having the addition of the Fjords-only adverts is great. And I've been really entertained with the start-up. Every time I've looked at your classifieds, there's been something new added. I realize if/when this classified is well established it won't be quite so dynamic, but in the meantime, it's a little like Christmas every time I get online (well, maybe more like the UPS man at the door with a package).:^) Thanks for the addition. Cheers! Karen _ Win a Nokia E51 with mobile Hotmail SMS alerts http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4589 Instructions to manage subscriptions are found at: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e The FjordHorse List archives are found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: NFHA show
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Way to go, Genie. Sounds like lots of fun. Cheers! Karen, VA _ Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: More on colours -- Grey/creme Abby
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eike and Cherrie: When this subject came up, I remembered a discussion a while back on the Fjord list about a grey x brown producing a white. I went searching the archives and found the thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com/msg46196.html I remembered it because I had to stick in my 2 cents worth. :^) The bonus is there is also a link to a photo of this horse, Abby: http://www.mandalafarm.com/gallery.html as well as a description of her color as a foal. Off topic, for all the folks I owe emails to, I'm getting to it. Typing is difficult since my dog scratched the T key off my keyboard. It still works but I really have to jam down on the spring and sharp pieces that lie under the plastic keys. One email, and my left index finger is sore. Cheers! Karen _ Want to help Windows Live Messenger plant more Aussie trees? http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=443698 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: More on colours
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] While we're talking about Fjord colors, has anyone else noticed Paragraphs 8 and 9 of Sponenberg's article in the NFHR site? Sponenberg tells us that the creme gene (he calls it the palomino type gene) is hardly noticeable on the brown dun (he calls it zebra dun) coat, and usually skates through the generations until a kvit pops up. Yikes! Why did I just go all the way to Germany to find a barely discernable white dun?;^) (from Sponenberg's article) In addition to zebra vs mouse dun vs red duns, some Fjord horses also have the palomino type gene. This one is interesting in that it barely betrays itself in most instances. The palomino (or more precisely, the cremello) gene is abbreviated ccr while the absence of it is C . The gene is interesting in that in one dose it lightens red to yellow, but done not affect black. In two doses it lightens all colors to creme with blue eyes. In most zebra dun Fjord horses the cremello gene would cause only a subtle difference in color. These would still be zebra duns, but would be yellower rather that a light orangey tan. Since the breed has been selected to be fairly yellow within the zebra dun group, this difference will be subtle within Fjord horses. On mouse duns the cremello gene in a single dose will be barely be noticed, although it can lighten them somewhat. On red duns it has been it has been a pronounced effect. These have very minimal stripes, are very yellow, and tend to have white points. These are the Fjord equivalent of palomino. In two doses the cremello gene causes zebra duns to be perlino, mouse duns to be silver smokey, and red duns to be cremello. These are all very similarly colored cream horses with blue eyes, perhaps with minimal striping left over from the dun gene. These are called kvit in Norwegian, which translates as white. Whit in English refers to pink skinned white horses with dark eyes, so the translation white should be avoided for these horses since they are not truly white. The cremello gene is really a fun gene that is full of surprises. It is an integral and historic part of the Fjord horse breed and should be considered as such. Due to the uniformity of the breed to be pale zebra duns the cremello gene usually skates on through the generations unnoticed - until it pairs up with itself and results in a ble eyed cream horse. These really should be expected in a very low percentage of mating, and are part of the color heritage of the breed. Cheers! Karen _ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fc areer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0% 3Ahot%3Atext_t=764565661_r=OCT07_endtext_salary_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] If both are gray, the colt will be gray. If one parent is At the risk of being called a know it all (I've been spanked before on this list concerning color), I think the above statement is incorrect, although this is not the first time I've heard it said. Two greys could produce a red, depending on the genetic makeup of each grey. For instance, a horse in the NFHR registry named Veni's Finn is a grey dun whose sire was grey and dam was red. Since Finn is a grey dun (phenotype), we know she carries the grey gene. (I've got quotes around that and will expand in a further paragraph.) We also know that she carries a red gene because red was the only color her red dam had to offer. But red is recessive to the grey gene, so the grey coloring is what she shows the world. Her genotype is both grey and red. Therefore, when Finn is hypothetically bred, she can give her offspring either a grey or red gene. Now, if we find a grey stallion for Finn who has the same genotype (both grey and red), that stallion can give its offspring either a grey or red gene. Therefore, a hypothetical foal out of Finn by a grey stallion with grey/red phenotype could be either grey or red; with the chances being 75% grey and 25% red. Grey bred to grey can produce red, depending on the genotypes. I started looking through the registry to see if I could find a red born of two greys, but there were so many I only got through half a dozen. Maybe someone with more time or interest can have a look. Now, I used quotes above and it's just a pet peeve of mine. So if you don't like soapbox speeches, scroll down now. I think we Fjord people make this color issue way too complicated by referring to and thinking of each Fjord dun color as a separate gene -- a grey gene or a red gene or a white gene, etc. I'm going out on a limb here (but Sponenberg will back me up http://members.aol.com/mfthorses/sponenbg.htm) to say there is no grey gene (or red, or white or even brown). The dun gene dilutes the base color, creating either brown, grey or red duns. The base colors in Fjords are just like the base colors in all horses -- bay, black and chestnut. (Sponenberg doesn't address the base color brown in the initial charts in this website, but Jeanette Gowers of Horse Colour Explained groups bays and browns together as closely related genetically.) The addition of a creme gene further dilutes those three duns and creates the white dun, yellow dun and kvit. So, when someone refers to the grey gene, or a grey dun, it's a base color of black that has been diluted by the dun gene. A red dun is a chestnut base color diluted by the dun gene. A brown dun is a bay or brown base color diluted by the dun gene. One dun gene creates three different dun colors depending on what the base color of the horse is. Finally, I'll go off on complete speculation here as to why there is such a variation in shades of Fjord colors. I go right back to base colors of horses -- bay, black and chestnut. Bays have a wide range of shades from very dark mahogany to light enough to look nearly buckskin. It makes sense to me that when you dilute with dun this varied range of base color bay, you're going to get a varied range of brown duns from dark to pale. Sound reasonable? Okay, enough for now. Take this for what it's worth. I'm not a genetics expert and I never played one on TV. Just spend way too much time thinking about Fjords. :^) Cheers! Karen, now in a hotel in Virginia, waiting for my household goods coming from the UK. Also, I'm looking for a Fjord and avidly watching everyone's for sale ads. Looking forward to the Herndon evaluation next month. _ Want to help Windows Live Messenger plant more Aussie trees? http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=443698 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Cherrie: Too funny! The day I decide to climb up on a soapbox about color genetics it's in response to a molecular biologist. LOL! I yield the floor. Perhaps, though, my explanation will be helpful to folks whose brains work like mine. I can muddle through the alleles and capital letters and lower case letters denoting genes, but it really is a muddle for me and hard work. I have to keep going back to charts and reviewing. I see the base horse colors as hues on a color wheel, and the dun and creme dilutions as a tints and tones, creating the lovely dun and creme coats. Does anyone else remember junior high art class? Start with red, add a tint of white and you get pink! http://creativecurio.com/2008/05/the-color-wheel-and-color-theory/ I know it's simplistic but it works for me. And you're right, since all Fjords are some color of dun, referring to them as red dun, brown dun, etc., one might say is re-dun-dant! :^) Cheers! Karen _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Nordfjordeid 2008, the web album
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Fjord lovers: I would like to share with you, through pictures, my trip to the Nordfjordeid stallion show. I hope you enjoy them. I have added names and scores for the stallions, which makes it easier to see how each horse scored, although not all stallions are pictured. There are also lots of candids, giving the flavor of the event, as well as the obligatory tourist shots. Enjoy! http://pets.webshots.com/album/563496009GhEkyq Karen, Am in Eng _ Search for local singles online @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Ea u%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den %5FAU%26a%3D30290_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Search_OCT07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Nordfjordeid, knitting and charming memories
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] First thing -- I'm going to Norway to the Stallion Show! Just had to get that out of the way. I'm so excited. Meeting up with the Jensens and others. Thanks, Brian! Having said that, another of my keen interests is knitting, and I belong to several knitting e-lists. I've been working on a very special vest to take to Norway -- it's got Fjordies on it -- and I posted a pic of the work in progress as well as telling my knitting friends about my upcoming trip. I gave them the Starfire Farm website so they could compare my knitted fjord with photos of the real thing. One of the ladies on the knitting list is Norwegian, and she responded with what follows. I found it charming, and thought others would enjoy reading it. I really hope that you get some nice weather. The scenery down there is very beautiful. I say that even though I don't have first-hand knowledge of it, the closest I've been is Molde, but I've seen lots of pictures. I live not far from Trondheim myself, which is a bit further north. It's funny to see those riding pictures on the website you linked to. I picture the Fjord horse as a work horse, but times they are a changing (as if I remember when we had work horses...NOT!) Anyway, my great grandfather always used to have Fjord horses and so did my grandmother's sister, she still has some, in fact. I used to dream of one myself when I was little, but alas, the dream never came true. After a while I sort of lost interest in horses, but two of my cousins are very into horses. When I close my eyes I can see a Fjord horse climbing some green steep hills with the blue fjord in the background, birds singing and flowers swaying in the breeze. Beautiful! By the way, I'm going to Norway! Did I mention that? Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng _ Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F% 3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext_t=764565661_r=OCT07_endt ext_Future_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Fjord at Best Friends Animal Society
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The info on this horse says he's only a 5 year old. That would make a DOB of 2003 or 2002. MVF Harrison Fjord is DOB 1993, ten years older. None of the Harrisons in the NFHR database would fit as a 5 year old. Hmmm. Perhaps that's not his original name. Karen, Am in Eng At 03:56 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote: https://www.bestfriends.org/donate/detail.cfm?sponsor=13704source= _ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Ea u%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den %5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Koniks, dun ponies
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List. I'm sitting here on a Sunday morning watching the BBC and saw a show about a wildlife preserve near Amsterdam. The reason I found it interesting was they showed a herd of wild horses that were brought there 20 plus years ago from Poland. They are Koniks, which I'd never heard of so had to google. They are particularly interesting as they were almost exclusively grey duns, with a couple of red duns in there as well. Just kind of neat to see a whole herd of silvery-coloured ponies together. And yes, they are reminiscent of Fjordies. Here's a link to the Amsterdam park with a photo of part of the herd but no info on the horses: http://oostvaardersplassen.biofaan.nl/scientificcd/paragraph08.html Here's a link to info about Koniks and some photos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konik Enjoy the pics. Karen, Am in Eng missing having Fjords in my life _ Overpaid or Underpaid? Check our comprehensive Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent%2Emycareer%2Ecom%2Eau %2Fsalary%2Dcentre%3Fs%5Fcid%3D595810_t=766724125_r=Hotmail_Email_Tagline_M yCareer_Oct07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: The Swedish Gotland Pony
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] This woman is on the CD-L and often mentions her Gotlands. http://www.kokoweb.com/gotland.htm Good Morning..I would like to know if anyone on the list has had experience with the Swedish Gotland Pony? = _ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Ea u%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den %5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Static while vacuuming horse
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beth wrote: Ah, Karen. We sorely missed you this year...you would have had a blast! We're already working on another hare-brained idea that you have to be part of when you return. Mm, hare-brained idea! Me like! I've already warned my husband I may have to leave him for six weeks each winter to spend time in Colorado. :^) Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng _ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Ea u%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den %5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Static while vacuuming horse
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bernadine. Working on a dirt surface can be helpful depending on the moisture content in the dirt, so that advice would be good for some situations. When I lived in Colorado I had a barn with a dirt floor, but the climate is very dry there, and the static was a problem even just brushing the Fjordies. I used a shop-vac on both my Fjordies and my donkey, and I learned to do a few strokes of vacuum, then step away and discharge the static on the steel siding of the barn. When brushing or vacuuming a horse, I find I place one hand on the shoulder and brush with the other hand. I can feel the crackling static under the palm of my non-working hand. The horses don't seem concerned with it, but it is a reminder for me to be careful about discharging before I build up too much static. The comment about you being wired I think is valid. I find I'm also electric. Some people just are. In Colorado, I found that I got shocked year round with static discharge just getting out of a car and touching the door to close it. Same thing is happening here in England for the winter. I like to think we electric types are special. :^) As an aside, here's a static-Fjord-God-Bless-the-temperament story. A few years ago I was lucky enough to be part of the Starfire Quadrille, driving Sara, their lovely ulsdun mare. We met for a practice on a wickedly cold and windy day. Sara had just come off the trailer wearing her winter rug. She'd been clipped since the last time I'd seen her, so no thick coat to protect her from electric me. I removed her rug and placed a hand on her rump and --- POP! we both got thoroughly zapped! She levitated straight up in the air. I felt really bad for zapping her, but oh, so thankful for that temperament. If ever a horse had a reason to kick, that was it. But she never offered to kick the fool who'd just taken a cattle prod to her butt! After apologizing profusely to her, I paid extra careful attention to discharging regularly by touching the side of the horse trailer. Brush, brush, brush, discharge. (Repeat as necessary) Hope something in here is helpful. Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng One of the suggestions from the CDL List on Vacuming-put your horse on dirt. I tried this and it made no difference-my helper says I am the one that's 'wired'! Bernadine Karns Nottawa Crossing Fjords _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
NWSS Starfire Quadrille
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations, Beth, Sandy, and the rest of the Fjord Quadrille Team. I was so pleased to see the video on YouTube of your performance at the Stock Show. I wish I could have been there with you! The lighting on the horses is intriguing. I'd love to know more details; like how did you attach a string of lights to the mane? Since being here in the UK, I've had the opportunity to see both the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery and the Queen's Household Cavalry perform precision rides/drives to music, but in the back of my mind I was fondly remembering performing with the Fjords. Congrats again, and I hope you're all recovering from your Stock Show experience. Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng _ Overpaid or Underpaid? Check our comprehensive Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent%2Emycareer%2Ecom%2Eau %2Fsalary%2Dcentre%3Fs%5Fcid%3D595810_t=766724125_r=Hotmail_Email_Tagline_M yCareer_Oct07_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Live links
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurie: If you never get live links, my best guess is that's a security setting on your email program. I use both hotmail and aol and have no problems. However, on my hotmail junk mail list, none of the links come through live, and I am given an option at the top of each email to allow links once, always or never. Hope that helps. Karen, Am in Eng sorry, not always true. not sure if it's because i am AOL or a mac, or because of the digest option, but i never get live links. laurie _ Advertisement: See what's Hot in new Live Hotmail http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=810referral=HotmailtaglineURL=http://www.livehotmail.ninemsn.com.au/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Eventing photos
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'm feeling sheepish. Maybe I'll read all my emails before coming up with a brilliant solution to one, only to find out that it has been well explained by someone else. :^O Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Better yet, give some thought to condensing overly long URL's when sending them to others. That way, those who want to view your photos do not have to struggle with the awkward cut-n-paste issue. _ Advertisement: Justin Timberlake FutureSex/LoveShow. Tour tix details here http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=809referral=hotmailtaglineURL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/justintimberlake The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Eventing photos - Tinyurl.com
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kate and others with long urls: First, great pics! Love to see the fjords out there performing. But to make your pics more accessible (as well as any site with a long, unwieldy url), go to http://www.tinyurl.com . This site allows you to paste your long url and convert it to a short one (tiny url, get it?) that doesn't break up in your email. For instance, this photo has 118 characters in the url and is broken into two lines, http://useventing.com/resources/gallery/2007wellprideaec/Day_4_-_Cross_Countr y_Beginner_Novice/day4_xc_bnovice_098.jpg becomes this url http://tinyurl.com/2fcvx2, no longer broken and just one click away. The second photo, http://useventing.com/resources/gallery/2007wellprideaec/Day_4_-_Cross_Country _Beginner_Novice/day4_xc_bnovice_097.jpg becomes http://tinyurl.com/2ahf5d . Brilliant, yes? I really enjoy looking at all the photos and websites people suggest. I just like it to be easy. Also, for folks who include their website urls in your signature line, if you'll start it with http://www instead of just www. the website will be immediately clickable for the target audience with no need to cut and paste. The time saved at the computer can be time spent with your ponies! Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng, and missing my Fjords. _ Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Join eBay for free @ www.eBay.com.au http://direct.ninemsn.com.au/adclick/CID=02fda854 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Horse holiday in France
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List: I wanted to tell you about my April holiday in France. I've finally gotten the photos up at Webshots.com, so I hope you enjoy my trip. Here's the link to the album, http://pets.webshots.com/album/559950949YJPqUH As background for those who don't know me, I'm living in England, having moved here from Colorado last summer. I sold my two Fjords before I left the US. I have a Welsh cob mare I'm working with here two days a week to keep myself sane, but am looking forward to moving back to the US this time next year and filling a couple stalls with Fjords once again. I went to France in April with my husband and son. My husband left the planning up to me, so we ended up on a horse-themed holiday. We stayed at a horse trekking place on the Bay of Somme. The horse trekking place (Marcanterra Sea Ranch) has established a new breed of horse based on the Norwegian Fjord and crossed with native horses (Selle Francais, French trotter, even QH and Spanish horses, Andies and Lusitanos). The purpose is to create a breed of horse good for living and working in their area -- pine forested sand dunes, marsh grasses, hardy enough to live out year round, good temperament for use in commercial trekking operation. They are called Henson horses (I think Henson was the one who started the grand experiment), and they've been breeding them for about 25 years. According to their breed standard, they must carry no less than 25% and no more than 50% Fjord blood. One of their goals is to have all duns, but they've not yet achieved that; although, they did have probably 75 to 80% duns in the several hundred horses I saw. Not sure if that's achieved through breeding or through culling. I saw a handful of colts and stallions, and they were all duns and heavily influenced by the Fjord in type. However, of the broodmares, some were duns, some not. I assume if they're breeding a non-dun, it's because she ticks a lot of the other desireable boxes for the breed standard. I had a grand old time. We stayed in bungalows on the ranch. There were horse paddocks all around, so you just had to step out your door to see horses through the pines. While Marshall and Cam went off on a bike ride, I took the 3-hour experienced horse ride, which would take us out to the Bay of Somme. I assumed this meant I'd get a horse that was a bit goey, not a dead-head, but good for a gallop along the sands of the beach. What it means in French-speak is we'll give you (the experienced rider) one of our youngsters so you can give him a good ride. They put me on a 3-year-old! Not my ideal for a gallop in the surf and sand. Heck, most 3-year-olds don't know where their feet are, much less have good balance in less than optimum footing. And how long could a 3yo have been broke to ride anyway? But when in Rome, yada yada. We did head out on the trail, me with some trepidation, reminding myself over and over that somewhere underneath me, wrapped in long,skinny legs and an ordinary bay coat, circulated at least (at most, I'd say) 25% of the blood of my beloved Fjord horse. After 45 minutes or so of up and down over sandy pine trails I had sorted out that my steed, Quingway (pronounced Kingway) was pretty amenable to my leg and rein aids, and thankfully he was pretty good with his feet. When we finally got to the bay the tide was out, so we still had a good half mile of sand flats to go before we reached the water line. Apparently, the Bay of Somme is quite shallow and tidal, so you could almost walk across it at low tide (except for some natural channels). At the water, the horses waded in a bit, then our group leader turned us parallel to the water line and said something in French. By the way, did I mention that I speak no French, and there were few in this area who spoke English? But it turns out I understand more French than I thought, because I did catch the word gallop in there. Sure enough, off we go in a couple inches of water on firm sand, splashing and having a thrill. I still wasn't sold on this horse's ability to balance. He chose his lead and was crooked as a dog's hind leg, but I stayed up off his back and made sure I didn't do any sudden weight shifts and it worked out fine, even when the ride leader's horse, who we were behind, suddenly went skittering sideways for no apparent reason and leaving me and Qingway in the lead. By the way, you'll see from the photo that I was riding this horse (as are all the horses in the string) in a rope type hackamore. These horses have to be pretty easy-going to be ridden in hackamores by rank beginners on up. That was my horse experience in France. It was very interesting to see literally hundreds of Hensons in one place. I managed to learn that they no longer use purebred Fjords in their breeding program, so I assume the books are closed
RE: BDF Obelisk and Conrad Schumacher
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations, Beth! That's great. I don't suppose Sandy was there to do any videos? Would love to see some of this. Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng BDF Obelisk and I had the opportunity to train with Conrad Schumacher during this past week. _ Advertisement: Your Future Starts Here. Dream it? Then be it! Find it at www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext_t=763838044_r=seek_may07_futurestartshere_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Shipping Boots -- Perhaps sew your own?
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Genie: If you can't find the size you need and you or someone you know is handy with the sewing machine, you could always make your own shipping boots. Here's one link I found. There may be others. http://www.rockywoods.com/Patterns/9900.htm Good luck! Karen, Am in Eng, trying to keep in touch with the Fjordie community from afar. I have a Welsh cob mare 2 days a week to be my surrogate fjord. _ Join the millions of Australians using Live Search. Try live.com.au http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=740referral=millionURL=http://live.com.au The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Another high performance pony
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another Grand Prix grey pony was Seldom Seen, ridden by Olympian Lendon Gray in dressage. Seldom Seen was a 14.2hh Connemara x TB. You can see information here at Wikipedia, and there a neat link to his retirement ceremony at Devon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seldom_Seen . Pony power! Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng I was wondering...does anyone remember a grey pony, I think his name was Showman, who competed at the Grand Pre level years ago? _ Advertisement: Looking for a home loan? Compare 2,000 mortgages at RateCity http://direct.ninemsn.com.au/adclick/CID=02fd7e1a The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: clicker training
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must have missed a post, but what video? Can you repost the link or send privately? Cheers! Karen, Am in Eng OK, I watched the video and have to wonder this: how many times do you think that lamb will do the agility course without a reward? _ Advertisement: Visit LetsShop.com to WIN Fabulous Books Weekly http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eletsshop%2Ecom%2FLetsShopBookClub%2Ftabid%2F866%2FDefault%2Easpx_t=751480117_r=HM_Tagline_books_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: horses chewing wood
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another reason for wood chewing -- teething. I had a horse years ago that I found chewing the bark off a pine tree. I went to check him and was horrified to see him bleeding at the mouth. On closer examination of the wound site, I found a loose incisor cap ready to come out! Karen in England _ Join the millions of Australians using Live Search. Try live.com.au http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=740referral=millionURL=http://live.com.au The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Obelisk on YouTube
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very Nice! Especially the interplay between you two at the end. Miss you guys! Karen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCkBaBrbAnc _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: dog carts
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katherine: Have your friend contact my sister Patti at this website: http://www.sylvanborzoi.com/driving/driving.html She's been carting her borzois for several years. She doesn't sell anything (except borzois), but she may be able to help your friend with some information and direct her to vendors. I had an opportunity to drive the dogs; it was a hoot! Cheers from rainy England, Karen Does anyone know anything about dog carts. My friend has two Siberian huskies that she want to train to drive. She does not have good balance and wanted some information on carts. Katherine Kramer Westcoastfjords.com _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: walkinginawinterwonderland
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] What, and no pictures, Cheryl? Please remember those of us living vicariously through the Fjord List? :^) I did manage to get a sleigh ride in with Katie and my new sleigh bells before the snow started up again Cheryl Gioia, Owner 1843 CR 132 Elizabeth CO 80107 www.finefjords.com Cheers, from Karen, recently returned to England where it's drizzly and permanently twilight. Tough transition from a condo on the Indian River in Titusville, Florida, where the sun dazzled almost every morning and the manatees and dolphins played in the water. _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Alternative therapy
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Linda. I haven't had Reiki done, but have had HTA (Healing Touch for Animals, http://www.healingtouchforanimals.com/), which deals with chakras and healing energy and intent. Both my fjords were used as demo horses for HTA clinics in Colorado on several occasions. I had the chance to sit on the outside and watch my horses undergo ministrations. My horses were just there for the students to learn on, so there was no particular problem being worked on. But throughout the clinic, I could see a marked change in the horses' demeanors. They would get a sleepy expression and you'd see their heads slowly drop down. All this while 4 to 6 students (all strangers) were moving around them clearing their chakras and fixing their energy flows. For the record, there was no food involved to get the Fjordies to stand there. :^) I know my description sounds kind of nutty, but hey, the horses liked it just fine. And BTW, they don't actually touch the animal while doing a lot of this, so we're not talking massage or spinal adjustments. I also had the opportunity to have my wound-up border collie used as a demo dog. She was in a room full of strangers and strangers' dogs, a situation that makes her very uncomfortable and nervous. She'd already had a go at one of the other dogs and had to be kept apart. Carol Komitor worked on my BC's chakras and her hips with healing energy. Again, I know it sounds nutty, but I also know what I saw. Here was my defensive BC on the ground with a stranger and you could see the sleepy expression and relaxation overcome her. Did it fix the dysplasia? No, of course not. It's not meant to. But for both the dog and the horses, something went on that they found pleasant and relaxing. BTW, I have attended the HTA Level 1 clinic. I bought a certificate at a silent auction, not knowing what it was. Thought it was something like T-Touch. I came away less than convinced, at least in my ability to do this; I think I may just need something a bit more concrete. But the animals don't come with any baggage or prejudices or expectations, and they all seem to find HTA a positive experience. That's why I got my Fjordies in as demo horses as often as I could! Lastly, I am in England now and have sold my Fjords, but I kept my donkey. She lives at the barn in Colorado where the HTA clinics are held. I was told that at the last HTA clinic the students used Daisy as a demo donk, and she was great with the students. This was a real surprise to me, as Daisy is usually very wary of strangers, especially if she's mobbed (4-6 students moving about her precious body). So, although I didn't see it myself, it sounds like Daisy the Donkey found HTA a positive experience as well. That's my experience with alternative therapy. Cheers, from squally Surrey. (Can you tell I miss the Colorado sunshine? Yes, I know about the snow there, but once the snow stops, you shovel in dazzling sunlight. Right, Beth, Sandy, Jeanne and Cheryl?) Karen I wanted to know if anyone has ever had Reiki done on their horses and find out more about it. I had all three of my horses worked on and they really seemed to enjoy it. I would love to hear any thoughts or comments or experiences that you may have had with it. Linda Pica _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: another awesome video,
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are apparently Camargue horses, native to the salt marshes of the Camargue in France. Google Camargue horse for more info. K what kind of horses are these? _ Advertisement: Amazing holiday rentals? http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dhol%26cu%3DMSN_t=758874163_r=HM_Txt_Link_Holiday_Oct06_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Small request when listing websites
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All! I have a nitpicky request for those who list their websites in emails. Could you please start your websites with the http://www ? That way it's an active link, will show up in blue in the email, and all we have to do is click on it. No cutting and pasting and opening a new window. I really like going to everyone's websites, especially since I am living Fjord-less now in England and have to live vicariously through the list. :^)I do go to just about every website that's offered; it would just be so much easier if the websites were just a click away. Cheers! Karen _ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769_t=754951090_r=endtext_lavalife_dec_meet_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Skiing behind a horse
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello from England. I saw the discussion of ski-joering and remembered a photo I'd seen recently. Ski-joering without snow or mud. Go to this link and scroll down to the third white box, the Edenbridge and Oxted Show. There's a photo of ski-joering with what look like mountain board-type roller blades. Word of caution. This is on a page for Henson horses, which are now a recognized breed in France. They are Fjord crosses, and I know that causes a real stir here on the list. http://www.henson.fr/englishv/indexgb.html I found this site and the Henson horses after reading a recent edition of the driving club newsletter over here. I saw a photo of a four-in-hand that looked like Fjords, so I went searching for info. They were Henson horses. So if Fjord crosses get your knickers in a knot, enjoy the photo for the ski-joering only. Cheers! Karen _ Advertisement: House hunt online now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN_t=758874163_r=HM_EndText_Nov06_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: mare and fetus development
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbie: Try this link for Reproductive Biology of the Mare: http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?chunk=25mtype=wtit=reproductive%20biology%20of%20the%20mare Cheers! Karen _ Advertisement: Looking to expand your DVD collection? Go to www.tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fbrowse%2FEntertainment%2DElectronics%2FDVDs%2DCDs%2DVideos%2DRecords%2DTapes%2Floc%5FlocRZSQregtAVSCdistRZSQAVSCstateRZSQ9AVSCregRZSQ%5Fns%5FTrue%5Foff%5F0%5Fsqt%5F1%5Fstpg%5F0%5F%3Freferrer%3Dplace1_t=758874129_r=emailtagline_nov_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The third paragraph, with the description of the Fjord from the point of view of a non-Fjord person, is priceless. Thanks, Barb, for forwarding the article. Karen, now in England. Seeing lots of gypsy cobs, but haven't found any Fjords yet. My Google Alert- Fjord horse just sent me this story from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=518820 Barb Middleage Spread _ Thousands of jobs, millions of opportunities at seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Oct06_m=EXT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re:white dun filly-
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] From looking at Abby's pedigree, couldn't she be the elusive grey dun with the addition of the creme gene (in QH-speak, a smokey black and grulla in the same package)? We keep hearing of the probability that the grey dun masks the addition of the creme gene. This could be an explanation as to the uncertainty of her true color and her ability to look grey dun but produce white dun. Just a guess since her dam was white and sire was grey. Makes sense to me, anyway. KK It is Stone fox Farm's Abby- when she was a foal she was a very light color- instead of the typical black shading on the face of a grey she had light brown. Her eyes are also a very light amber color. As she matured (3-4 years old) Her color on her face darkened to the typical dark grey. There are pictures of Abby on our website in the gallery section. www.mandalafarm.com. I forgot to mention in the last note that the sire of the new white dun filly is Aimee Day's Drafn, a brown dun stallion. Sara _ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d
RE: Genetic diversity
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Eike: Can this be right? We have a worldwide gene pool of maybe 10,000 mares. That would mean that more than half are in North America as there are 5100 mares in the NFHR registry. I have no idea how many are in the Canadian registry. Which doesn't allow for a whole lot in all of the European registries and wherever else in the world Fjords are. Just scratching my head over that number. Karen _ realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
Discussion of dun characteristics
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know some may accuse me of being the color police, which is closely related to the spelling police I suppose, but I didn't want to let this pass without comment: ...as I rode a small buckskin horse (line-back dun) in Glacier Park that had striking zebra markings on his legs. Just wanted to say that a buckskin is not a dun, line-back or otherwise. Buckskin is created by an entirely different gene than the dun, although both genes similarly dilute the base color. The line back and zebra markings are characteristics of the dun gene. A buckskin will occasionally have a line back, but it doesn't come from the gene that creates the buckskin color. Rather, it comes from the base color of bay which will sometimes have a line back. And it is possible to have a horse with both the dun dilution and the dilution that creates buckskin. As a matter of fact, when it happens in Fjords you get an ulsblak or white dun Fjord! Stepping down from my soapbox. By the way, riding in Glacier National Park sounds like a hoot! Cheers! Karen _ Find lost friends family online! Search for free. http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=389referral=HM_taglineURL=http://ninemsn.schoolfriends.com.au
RE: Red Dun Gelding for Sale in Parker, Colorado
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knee slappin') I guess I misread that one completely. But the answer is no. I just told the welder I wanted the top about yay big (I think it's 22 inches across). And the bottom should be a little bigger so it doesn't tip if (when) he stands on the edge. I can take photos of it and measurements if you want them. I do have some plans I can scan for you from a trick training book I bought. Want those? Just let me know. K From: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Red Dun Gelding for Sale in Parker, Colorado Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:56:17 -0700 This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Karen, I actually meant do you have design plans for his stool. Gail _ realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
Red Dun Gelding for Sale in Parker, Colorado
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List: I just wanted to let folks know I am moving overseas and am selling my 8 year old red dun gelding. He is 14 hands and of a lighter build -- maybe 900 lbs on the tape if he took a deep breath. He is registered with FBA (Fjordhorse Breeders of America). He is Yule FBA-1171, foaled 10/6/97. His breeder is Leonard Rice, H Bar C, Inc. of Baker, Nevada. His sire is Nils and dam is Seria. He is a grandson of Grabb on his sire's side. I have put a photo album up on webshots.com. http://community.webshots.com/user/luvmypony (If you have any trouble with the link above, you can just go to webshots.com and put in my member name luvmypony. That will take you to Dink's album. Although he came to me as Yule, I have called him Fair Dinkum, or Dink for short. He is clicker trained to do several tricks and loves the whole clicking game. Dink would like a new owner/friend who will continue his clicker training. When he came to me, he wasn't keen on people, but now he thinks people are very good company. I attribute this to the communication through clicking. Dink has been my favorite of my small herd, and I will miss him terribly. But it's time to find him a new home as I will be leaving for England in August. Dink is broke to ride, but needs lots of wet saddle blankets. For the past five years he's mostly been my clicker training trick horse, while I drove my Fjord mare (recently sold to Linda Taylor in California). He's participated in two or three Fjord Fun Days at Starfire Farm. He even performed his tricks there. Have a look at his webshots album. There's 60 pictures of him doing just about everything he knows. He would make someone a lovely friend and a great little trick Fjord to take to Libby in the fall! And his lovely red dun color really stands out in a crowd of brown duns. Let me know if you're interested or need more details. Cheers! Karen Keith _ New year, new job there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=752315885_r=Jan05_tagline_m=EXT
Re: hauling
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] All this talk of hauling horses for money, you'd better check with your insurance company. You'll probably find your regualr insurance does not cover commercial hauling. Karen _ Research and compare new cars side by side at carpoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F833884_t=54321_r=hotmail_endtext_m=EXT
Re: white Fjords -- now Borzois
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a hoot! That's me driving those Borzois! I should have a sign that says my other driving critter is a Fjord! These dogs belong to my sister in Florida. She and her husband raise Borzois and are international dog show judges. You can see more of them at http://www.sylvanborzoi.com/driving/driving.html Oh, BTW, that cart comes from Norway! Cheers! Karen (http://www.drivingpairs.com) and voted your horses as the most gorgeous - and those Borzoi horses are the most unusual equines I've ever seen! Charla (looking for my reading glasses so I can see those Borzoi's better.) _ 15,000 Velocity Points Velocity NAB Credit Card http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DNAT030%2E23080%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D34301_t=754983092_r=emailtagline_m=EXT
RE: Best Friends Grazing Muzzles
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda: I don't know what size she'd wear. I know a lot of fjord people use these muzzles. I guess the only measurement I could give you would be the noseband of her driving bridle. I think that was 31 total, and it would probably be 4 inches less when buckled. Don't know if that helps on size on not. Karen _ New year, new job there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=752315885_r=Jan05_tagline_m=EXT
RE: 2 NEW Fjord Designs, Embroidery, hi Karen
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'm guilty. That message was supposed to go to Ingrid privately. Sorry to clutter the list. (Sheepishly typing) Karen _ realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
RE: horses in the city,past and present.
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Suzan. Very interesting. I felt sorry for that big ole sorrel horse though. Too bad Claremont isn't teaching its folks where to place a saddle. The way it's sitting on his back (shoulders, actually), all the weight of the rider is concentrated at the very back end of the saddle. Can't be comfortable for either horse or rider. Ouch! Cheers! Karen (http://www.newyorkcitywalk.com/html/images_horses.html) _ Shopping made easy @ tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Freferrer%3DnmsnHMetagv1_t=753082530_r=emailtagline_m=EXT
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Additionally, this horse does not have the profuse (or any) white guard hairs in the mane and tail. His mane and tail are completely dark. Odd. Karen Does anyone have photos of offspring (are there any?), or the parents? Though Duns that have stripes across their whithers and/or shoulder shadows do occur, I've never seen the markings on a Fjord... It's not just that, though, his dorsal stripe is wide and very dark...and those dots on either side above his tail...strange! It seems I've got some researching to do! _ Search the Web for a hot date http://search.ninemsn.com.au/results.aspx?rf=1q=hot+dateFORM=HM
Re: Archives girth strap and stumbling ponies
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] This stumbling thing is interesting. My gelding stumbles. I'll have to consider saddle placement, as well. Cheers! Karen If you are setting the saddle over his shoulder blades, he is apt to stumble. It will impede the movement of his shoulder blade and affect hisstride.I see a lot of pictures of Fjords under saddle that have the saddles too far forward. _ Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar
RE: boarding in Denver area?
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good news! This horse will be moving in with a friend of mine and she's just five minutes from my house. Yay! Another fjord in the area. Karen I have a good friend who just relocated to the Denver area and moved her 3-yr old Fjord gelding with her. Does anyone have any good leads on inexpensive pasture board in the southwest area outside of Denver? If so, please respond privately. Thanks so much! _ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail
Driving safety
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well said, Tish. A show is not like being at home, it just isn't. And I don't think this has to do with dividing people into farm versus super-show. It has to do with safety, period, and some things that are common practice at home are just not safe to do at a show. Tish and Elph in Minneapolis Karen _ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
RE: No better than this
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lovely story. I, too, hitched yesterday and took my husband out on the road. This is my first time out since a runaway with a haflinger four weeks ago. I ended up in the emergency room and the cart is in need of a carriage maker. So I'm still a little worried, but my Fjord mare was a stalwart. Even when the new neighbor horse came barreling up to the road to have a look at that poor horse being chased by a carriage (aka monster). She startled slightly, calmed at a word from me, and never even looked back over her shoulder at the blowing, galloping horse across the fence. Good pony! Cheers! Karen Sandywonderful and yes, I did enjoy your ride. What a nice memory for the lady and it is so cute to hear she went back in time with her story. _ Low rate ANZ MasterCard. Apply now! http://clk.atdmt.com/MAU/go/msnnkanz003006mau/direct/01/ Must be over 18 years.
Re: Fjord at an auction
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sticky beak - Australian for being nosy or check things out. Four years in Australia, I picked up some of the colloquialisms. Hence, my cheers at the end of each post. :^) Cheers, Mate! Karen Inquiring minds wanna know...whatsa stick beak :-} does it have anything to do with scritching + scratching?? _ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
RE: fighting Fjords?
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Horses also, maybe Icelandic? (#32 in the gallery, I think) http://www.beowulf-movie.com/ Since the movie was shot in Iceland, I'd say any horses are icelandics since everything I've read is that Iceland has not allowed any importation of horses to the island for about 800 years. Karen Keith _ Your opinion counts..for your chance to win a Mini Cooper click here http://www.qualifiedopinions.com/joinup.php?source=hotmail
RE: Fjord at Pony Worlds
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yay Fjords. But what I found interesting in the picture is the front end of the carriage is off the ground. This is a problem with low singletrees and breast collars. When that pony heaves himself forward, he lifts the front end of the carriage. Yikes! Karen http://www.gayfieldswelshponies.com/news/cattonhall.html _ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au
