Re: [LegacyUG] Rookie mistake - how to cite?

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks Margaret. That will come in handy, but not for the records I have.
They came from mid 1850s German congregation churches in Chicago. But I'll
surely use your suggestion.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Margaret Turner <mgroga...@gmail.com>
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> I would search FamilySearch, ancestry, eg. https://familysearch.org/wiki/
> en/Top_Genealogy_Websites_for_Finding_Ancestors_in_Germany f
> or the individuals to whom you have the sources attached.
> :)
> Margaret
>
>
> On 26 May 2017 at 01:02, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 25-May-17 03:26 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>>
>>>  1. Quite some time ago, I browsed many, many church records to find 4
>>> records pertaining to my tree. Browsing took many hours. They are
>>> written in German, and I can't read most of the information. When I
>>> found the records, I cropped the images heavily, only saving a copy
>>> of the records themselves. I did not record where I found them.
>>> Yesterday I spent an hour or so trying to find the records again, so
>>> I could properly cite them, but no luck. Obviously, the events did
>>> happen because I have the printed records. But if I can't find them
>>> online, surely another person would have a hard, if not impossible
>>> time finding them. Since some citing of records is better than none,
>>> how can / I cite those elusive records? They pertain to marriages
>>> and christenings./
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The first thing I would do is publish as much as you know in as many
>> places as possible - mailing lists, newsgroups, FB, blog etc - to see if
>> someone else can help you find the elusive records.  (I have just received
>> invaluable information which traced a relative by posting a request on a
>> genealogy newsgroup.)
>>
>> Failing finding the source of your printout, I would cite that printed
>> image as the Source, with explanation in the Source Comments.  If you use
>> SourceWriter You could adapt one of the "Church Record" templates, but I
>> think I'd be inclined to use one from "Photographs, Portraits & Sketches"
>> since what you have is, to all intents and purposes, a photograph (of a
>> record.)
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Rookie mistake - how to cite?

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thank you Jenny. Another problem I have is that the events took place in
Chicago, and all records except some church records (and other possible
private records) were destroyed by the great Chicago fire of 1871, making
it harder to find anything before that time period. This thread could be a
good lesson for newbies.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 25-May-17 03:26 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
>>  1. Quite some time ago, I browsed many, many church records to find 4
>> records pertaining to my tree. Browsing took many hours. They are
>> written in German, and I can't read most of the information. When I
>> found the records, I cropped the images heavily, only saving a copy
>> of the records themselves. I did not record where I found them.
>> Yesterday I spent an hour or so trying to find the records again, so
>> I could properly cite them, but no luck. Obviously, the events did
>> happen because I have the printed records. But if I can't find them
>> online, surely another person would have a hard, if not impossible
>> time finding them. Since some citing of records is better than none,
>> how can / I cite those elusive records? They pertain to marriages
>> and christenings./
>>
>>
>>
>> The first thing I would do is publish as much as you know in as many
> places as possible - mailing lists, newsgroups, FB, blog etc - to see if
> someone else can help you find the elusive records.  (I have just received
> invaluable information which traced a relative by posting a request on a
> genealogy newsgroup.)
>
> Failing finding the source of your printout, I would cite that printed
> image as the Source, with explanation in the Source Comments.  If you use
> SourceWriter You could adapt one of the "Church Record" templates, but I
> think I'd be inclined to use one from "Photographs, Portraits & Sketches"
> since what you have is, to all intents and purposes, a photograph (of a
> record.)
>
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[LegacyUG] Rookie mistake - how to cite?

[Ed Ladendorf]

   1. Quite some time ago, I browsed many, many church records to find 4
   records pertaining to my tree. Browsing took many hours. They are written
   in German, and I can't read most of the information. When I found the
   records, I cropped the images heavily, only saving a copy of the records
   themselves. I did not record where I found them. Yesterday I spent an hour
   or so trying to find the records again, so I could properly cite them, but
   no luck. Obviously, the events did happen because I have the printed
   records. But if I can't find them online, surely another person would have
   a hard, if not impossible time finding them. Since some citing of records
   is better than none, how can * I cite those elusive records? They
   pertain to marriages and christenings.*
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Re: [LegacyUG] Find A Grave Link

[Ed Ladendorf]

Hi Howland. If you have a somewhat unusual surname, it is sometimes better
if you only search the surname. Then you can scroll the hits, and possibly
see what might be a match for your subject. Just a thought.

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> The Find A Grave search algorithm only matches on EXACT equals. When I get
> No Records Found I click on the Refine Last Search option in the left
> column and modify the fields used in the initial attempt. I've found that
> Middle Names cause many of my misses. Also adding Location Details helps.
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> If you haven't done so watch Geoff's "Discover the New Legacy 9" webinar.
> He shows several good hints for working with Find A Grave (
> https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=634).
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> Happy Searching,
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> But the search for his spouse was successful and I could link from her page
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted child

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thank you, Brian. That makes sense. One more questionWhy didbn't I
think of that? 

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Brian Kelly <exma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would enter the child as her's without adding a father. I would then
> link the child to her parents and indicate the child to parent relationship
> between the child and those parents as Adopted.
>
> I would use the available birth certificate as a source for all those but
> would add a note to the source (probably in the Source comments) with my
> suspicions that the document replaced the true birth certificate. In the
> note you can include any evidence you have about the situation.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> On 10-May-17 8:06 AM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
>> I have a situation where an unmarried girl gave birth. When it was
>> obvious that she was not ready to be a parent, her parents adopted the
>> child, and there was a birth certificate made, showing the grandparents
>> as parents. I think the original birth certificate was destroyed, so it
>> appears that the grandparents were the biological parents, although this
>> is known to be false. How would you enter this information?  Biological
>> father is unknown.
>>
>>
>>
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[LegacyUG] Adopted child

[Ed Ladendorf]

I have a situation where an unmarried girl gave birth. When it was obvious
that she was not ready to be a parent, her parents adopted the child, and
there was a birth certificate made, showing the grandparents as parents. I
think the original birth certificate was destroyed, so it appears that the
grandparents were the biological parents, although this is known to be
false. How would you enter this information?  Biological father is unknown.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?

[Ed Ladendorf]

Gene said " will Legacy 9 facilitate in any fashion the creation of a
source citation". So the understanding is there that the source should be
cited, and the answer to the question is probably simply "no"

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Carrie Pillow 
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> Legacy hints to the database, that hold the source, the source is what
> should be cited, not the Hint.
>
>
>
> Hints are just a tool
>
>
>
> Carrie
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Gene Wheeler
> *Sent:* 09 May 2017 22:00
> *To:* Legacy Users Group 
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Citations from Hints in v.9?
>
>
>
> When a hint proves useful to my research, will Legacy 9 facilitate in any
> fashion the creation of a source citation from that hint for easy reference
> and use?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Graphics being posted to the list

[Ed Ladendorf]

Good point Susie and Gene. Sometimes when we get used to having high speed
internet with little restrictions, we tend to forget about the less
fortunate.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Susie Zada <sz...@zades.com.au> wrote:

> In this 'recent' discussion about graphics, Gene is the first to point out
> the issue of bandwidth and/or download limits.
>
> People need to remember that Legacy is an international product AND there
> are users all around the world - many don't have access to unlimited
> reasonably access!  And I'm speaking from experience here - living in
> country Victoria in Australia.
>
> Think of others.
>
> No-one would dispute the value of images when explaining things but I would
> dispute the value of open-slather on this list.  If you want why not put
> your images on the Legacy Facebook page and include a link to, but don't
> exclude the rest of the users from this list!
>
> Regards ... Susie Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Gene Young
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 6:09 AM
> To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Graphics being posted to the list
>
> On 5/8/2017 1:51 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
> > It seems that there are people who would like to have the ability to add
> embedded images to posts, and possibly some who are against that (although
> that might not be the case). Since the membership of the list is not what
> it
> once was, maybe the ones who make the rules would be open to putting it to
> a
> vote of the remaining members??
>
>
> Is it possible to get a virus from an embedded image? I don't know the
> answer to that, but I know a lot of forums allow that, so I doubt it's a
> problem. Who would like to have a vote? If that's acceptable, count me in
> for allowing it. If not, I'll abide by the rules.
>
> embedded images are sent with the email as attachments, so yes, they can
> easily send viruses.  Some people have limited bandwidth due to various
> reasons; financial, locality & availability of cable service.  It is not
> fair to hammer their limited access.  It is a simple matter to post your
> image to a reputable hosting site and post the link.  Every body benefits
> and no one suffers.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Graphics being posted to the list

[Ed Ladendorf]

It seems that there are people who would like to have the ability to add
embedded images to posts, and possibly some who are against that (although
that might not be the case). Since the membership of the list is not what
it once was, maybe the ones who make the rules would be open to putting it
to a vote of the remaining members?? Is it possible to get a virus from an
embedded image? I don't know the answer to that, but I know a lot of forums
allow that, so I doubt it's a problem. Who would like to have a vote? If
that's acceptable, count me in for allowing it. If not, I'll abide by the
rules.

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wrote:

> I agree
>
>
>
> And I’ve never know an embedded picture have a virus, it attachment that
> are a risk.
>
>
>
> And I would not want to put a link to a personal cloud on a public  list
> that is asking for viruses.
>
>
>
> I think if you wish to keep this list alive, there need to be some
> flexibility and common sense
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Carrie
>
>
>
> Apologies if I offend,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Wes
> *Sent:* 08 May 2017 15:04
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Graphics being posted to the list
>
>
>
> I know attachments are banned, but a graphic pasted in the email seems to
> be a good way to show how to do something.
>
> Am I wrong?
>
> wes
> On 5/7/2017 8:59 PM, CE WOOD wrote:
>
> But they too often carry viruses and/or malware and have been banned from
> the list for that reason.
>
>
>
> CE
>
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>  
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Graphics being posted to the list
>
>
>
> It’s the easiest way to help someone ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *CE WOOD
> *Sent:* 08 May 2017 01:37
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup 
> 
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Graphics being posted to the list
>
>
>
> Are graphics now allowed on this list? There have been many posted this
> week.
>
>
>
> If they are not, a reminder is really needed!
>
>
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>
>
> CE
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[LegacyUG] Hello. Is anyone home?

[Ed Ladendorf]

I have a feeling I'm not receiving many posts. There has only been one from
this list today!! Is it really that slow?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Installation problem

[Ed Ladendorf]

Got it solved. Just had to disable the antivirus while installing. Thanks.

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[LegacyUG] Installation problem

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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on downloads

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thank you Sherry and Carrie. I didn't think there was a difference, but
wanted to be certain before buying.

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> Legacy Charting is part of the Legacy download and install.
>
> Sherry
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> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Ed Ladendorf <edphotos...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Legacy 9 Deluxe download bundle, it mentions that Legacy Charting
>> Deluxe software will be installed when Legacy 9 is installed. On Legacy 9
>> Deluxe download software, nothing is mentioned about the charting software.
>> It looks like that is not included, is that right?
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[LegacyUG] Question on downloads

[Ed Ladendorf]

On Legacy 9 Deluxe download bundle, it mentions that Legacy Charting Deluxe
software will be installed when Legacy 9 is installed. On Legacy 9 Deluxe
download software, nothing is mentioned about the charting software. It
looks like that is not included, is that right?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Ed Ladendorf]

This is not in reply to any particular post, but about the road this thread
has taken. I don't think anyone meant to go against the rules of the forum.
It happens. Simply trying to offer suggestions to make things easier for
someone else sometimes ruffles another's feathers. I tend to look for the
good in people, and give them the benefit of doubt in most scenarios
(unless they're an obvious troll). So let's please make this post the last
on the subject. Smile a little. Life is too short for bickering.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Billy Nyhan  wrote:

> Hi Laura
> I could not agree more with you. You summarised my feelings exactly. We
> all need to work together and cut out the bitching.
> Regards Billy Nyhan in Ireland
>
> *From:* Laura Ellene
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:16 AM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
>
>
> I have been following this.  This is my first post.  We have so much
> strife and bad manners in the world today, this doesn’t seem the place to
> exhibit it.  Even some of the apologies have “digs.”  I think it is
> wonderful for Legacy to host such a forum for users and I am grateful.
>
>
>
> If I went out with “Bill,” I wouldn’t spend the evening talking about
> “Don” or Bill would give me the gate and deservedly so.  I think I
> understand the point Legacy is making and don’t want to kick them for it.
> It is just good manners to not use this forum as an advertisement for a
> competitive product.
>
>
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:03 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
>
>
>
> Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of
> Unicode caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom
> line is about making money.
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* Sherry
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM
>
> *To:* Legacy User Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of
> thinking that you stated in your first sentence.
>
> I didn't create the rules.
>
>
>
> Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the
> promotion that the other poster gave.
>
> And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the
> current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't
> support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port
> Legacy over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of
> the most avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western
> European fonts - they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the
> inability to add their Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken  wrote:
>
> Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by
> mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about
> that and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my
> expectations on a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in
> the guidelines.
>
>
>
> That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to
> offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the
> performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.
>
>
>
> At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of
> all days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user
> group has been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support
> since at least 2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform
> that supports Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times
> in between.
>
>
>
> So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with
> Legacy9, and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
>
> Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian,
> Middle Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different
> product?
>
>
>
> Courteously, David
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry :
>
>
>
> This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated
> in the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page
> where you signed up to join the group)
>
> The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about
> using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you
> can't find the answers or figure out something
>
> The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.
>
> Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you 

Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks for the reply, Bob. I considered that possibility, but there is
absolutely nothing different from what I have in Legacy and the FAG site. I
just checked it again. While I was there, I searched for Heinrich
Ladendorf, and Henry Ladendorf. The Heinrich entry matched what I had
entered on FAG. The search for Henry came up empty, unlike some other
sites' search engines. So that's something to be aware of.
Fwiw, others can be aware that a "no hits" doesn't necessarily mean there
is no memorial for the person in question.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Bob Austen <rgaus...@telus.net> wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being
> somewhat different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or
> initial.
>
>
>
> Bob Austen
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Ed Ladendorf
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] FAG problem?
>
>
>
> I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
> experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
> memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
> in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
> checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
> searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
> Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
> you know they exist?
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[LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ed Ladendorf]

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
you know they exist?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Tip of the Day

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks Michele. These are helpful tips.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Michele/Support <
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

> Yes, this applies to versions 7, 8, 9.  (Maybe earlier versions too, I
> don’t know when the Relationship Report was introduced).
>
>
>
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
>
> Legacy Family Tree
>
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
>
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
>
> Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG is
> a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under
> license by Board certificants who meet competency standards.
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Ed Ladendorf
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:17 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Tip of the Day
>
>
>
> All versions?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Michele/Support <
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:
>
> TIP OF THE DAY (Legacy Staff) - The Relationship Report
>
>
> I am posting this because this is something we see in Support on a regular
> basis. The Relationship Report will not work unless you have set the
> relationships in Tools > Set Relationships.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
>
> Legacy Family Tree
>
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
>
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
>
> Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG is
> a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under
> license by Board certificants who meet competency standards.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Tip of the Day

[Ed Ladendorf]

All versions?

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Michele/Support <
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

> TIP OF THE DAY (Legacy Staff) - The Relationship Report
>
>
> I am posting this because this is something we see in Support on a regular
> basis. The Relationship Report will not work unless you have set the
> relationships in Tools > Set Relationships.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
>
> Legacy Family Tree
>
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
>
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
>
> Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG is
> a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under
> license by Board certificants who meet competency standards.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy UG emailer vagaries

[Ed Ladendorf]

I don't know if this is related or not, but I had an account from yahoo
mail registered for this user group. It seems like there has always been a
few problems with the user group, and since I was not recieving any emails
from it, I started another Legacy user group account using my gmail
account, without unsubscribing from my yahoo account, thinking it was
somehow deleted. Yesterday I received 1 email from the user group on my
yahoo account! But my gmail account took in probably 30 or 40 emails!!
Something is not right for sure.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> Almost a week ago, I had an attempt to post an email to the Legacy UG list
> *rejected*, with this relevant information (in part)
>
>
>
> *cloud7.emwd.com  rejected your message to the
> following email addresses:*
>
> This is the same cloud operator that runs the Hints for Millennium. I
> think they may have some ‘teething problems’ and that the cancellation of
> Gene Young’s membership of the list is symptomatic, as was the rejection
> mentioned above.
>
>
>
> After my rejected post of 22 April, I ignored it and a day or so later
> “replied” on another topic and it was “accepted” by the list. Until Gene’s
> post an hour ago our time, I wouldn’t have mentioned it.
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas
>
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Gene Young
> Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2017 8:34 AM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Cc: Legacy Support 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] membership in the mailing list LegacyUserGroup has
> been disabled
>
>
>
> I received this message from legacyusergroup-requ...@legacyusers.com
> (return-path )
>
> Your membership in the mailing list LegacyUserGroup has been disabled due
> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 26-Apr-2017.  You will not get any more messages from this list until you
> re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like this
> before your membership in the list is deleted.
>
>
>
> To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message
> (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at
> deleted
>
>
>
> As I have not posted to the list in months I question how there could be
> any bounces.  I will not click on any included links nor will I respond to
> it.  It is too much like a phishing scam e-mail for any such action.
>
>
>
> Has any one else seen a message similar to this from the Legacy user group?
>
>
>
> I have also cc'd supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Gene Young
>
> Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
>
> With Legacy Family Tree
>
> http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Tip of the Day

[Ed Ladendorf]

Another non facebook user. Great thread!! Thank you.

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Michele/Support <
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

> I am going to start cross posting the tips that I post on the Legacy User
> Group Facebook page so that those of you that are not on Facebook you will
> see them too.
>
>
> TIP OF THE DAY (Legacy Staff) - Another Easter Egg feature
>
> Open someone's Individual's Information screen (this is where you actually
> add data to someone)
>
> Click the FamilySearch ID LABEL. If the person does not have an FSID number
> already in the field, you will get FamilySearch's record search results
> page. If they do have an FSID entered you will go directly to their Family
> Tree page. I LOVE THIS!
>
> Now click the Find a Grave ID LABEL. If the person does not have a FaG
> memorial number already entered, you will get the FaG search results page.
> If the person does have a FaG memorial number entered, you will get their
> FaG memorial page.
>
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG
> Legacy Family Tree
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>
> Certified Genealogist is a registered trademark and the designation CG is a
> service mark of the Board for Certification of GenealogistsR, used under
> license by Board certificants who meet competency standards.
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[LegacyUG] Sorry for the attachments

[Ed Ladendorf]

It was pointed out to me, in a private email,  that I needed to change
email providers because Yahoo sent posts appear as attachments to everyone.
I know the subject of attachments has been discussed many times, but I only
read a couple of them because I thought the only people who saw the
attachments was people using Yahoo. It was explained to me that sending
posts *FROM *Yahoo was the problem. So I have a new email address for this
list. I apologize for the problem.

Thank you, list members, for the help you have given me. I appreciate all
replies to my questions, even if it's only an idea to think about.

Ed
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Re: [LegacyUG] Slightly off topic?

[Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup]

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy
imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages
without conversion to attachments should use a different email address
for their subscription.

Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require
this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email
providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.--- Begin Message ---
Thank you Mike. But I'm unable to make out enough of the letters to be able to 
type it. I was hoping someone who was able to read the language could have a 
better chance at it.
Ed 

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:19 AM, MikeFry <emjay...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 On 13 Apr 2016 1:46 PM, Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

> The original message to the list was in the stupid attachment.

https://translate.google.com could be your friend.

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[LegacyUG] Slightly off topic?

[Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup]

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

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providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.--- Begin Message ---
I hope I'm not out of bounds with this question. I will validate it by saying I 
don't want to put untrue information in my database.
I have a document from a Catholic Church in Chicago, that is hand written in 
either German or Latin. I am unable to read it, and I'm looking for someone who 
is willing to help with this. Some of the information I can guess at, but I 
really don't want to enter untrue information. This information is expected to 
help in tying Petri Schommer b. 1799 to my line. 
If anyone is willing to help, I would very much appreciate it. If you can help, 
please send an email to my address, which should appear above. I can send a 
copy to you.
If this question is out of bounds, please let me know about that too.
Thank You,Ed--- End Message ---
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

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Thanks Linda. I've been looking everywhere for a death record, but no luck. My 
g-grandmother was a sister of Peter Schommer (1826-1898). Even though I have no 
hard proof, I think Petri 1799 - ? was their father. I do have hard proof of 
some of Peter's (b. 1826) siblings, and they seem to fit perfectly. But the 
hard proof for their father is not coming easy. They were German, and the whole 
family seems to have been born in the Prussian area of Saarland.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:52 PM, Linda Greethurst <llg...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 

 Ed,My initial thought is that these are two different children. I would look 
for a death record of the first one (b1799).But even if you don't find a death, 
I would still keep them as 2 separate entities until you can prove differently. 
 Not sure what nationaliy you are working with but Peter (Petri) and Joseph 
(Josephus) were both Saints names, so if they both survived childhood one might 
be called Petri and the other Joseph.  Or they could have been named after 
grandfathers who had similar names.  Just my 2cents worth.Linda
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-- Forwarded message ------
From: Ed Ladendorf <edladend...@yahoo.com>
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Cc: 
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:58:10 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they 
were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were 
actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be 
found in genealogy.
But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even 
though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know 
I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either.  Thanks again.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin <pph...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people 
I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
Pat
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> wrote:

  On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
  
  Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. 
My gut feeling is that  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. 
This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 
1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. 
Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would 
appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 
  
  
 Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not 
uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) 
name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance of two 
brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving 
childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to 
be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm 
otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research.
 -- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

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Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they 
were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were 
actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be 
found in genealogy.
But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even 
though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know 
I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either.  Thanks again.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin <pph...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people 
I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
Pat
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> wrote:

  On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
  
  Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. 
My gut feeling is that  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. 
This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 
1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. 
Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would 
appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 
  
  
 Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not 
uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) 
name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance of two 
brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving 
childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to 
be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm 
otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research.
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[LegacyUG] Question on entries

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Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from familysearch.org 
for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct ancestor of mine. 
Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri 
Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name 
similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same contributor, on 
the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI index) is that part 
of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is 
that one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This whole family is 
new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only 
secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering 
this in a database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since 
I have not entered them yet.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

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Thank you very much. I'll check it out.
Ed 

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 Ed
That's the right link.
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates
Does anyone have a link for FreeClip? I'd like to check it out. Is this it? M8 
Free Multi Clipboard.
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 Jenny
Thanks for the tip on FreeClip. I love it.
Dale McIntyre
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Jenny M Benson <ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> wrote:

On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:

The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.


Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify the 
Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .

Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England 
Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list of 
the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program called 
FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me hours of time in data entry.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Dates

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 Jenny
Thanks for the tip on FreeClip. I love it.
Dale McIntyre
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

On 09/04/2016 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:

The question was how to get LEGACY to automatically put the date in for
everyone who appeared in the English 1891 census.


Easy enough if you have a separate Event for each Census: simply modify the 
Sentence so it includes 05 April 1891 (or whichever) in place of .

Personally, I have one Event named "England Census" (and one for "England 
Census - Vessels" but that's beside the point!) but I keep a permanent list of 
the Census dates, and other frequently used text, in a little program called 
FreeClip which I *highly* recommend.  It saves me hours of time in data entry.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Does anyone here use Evidentia?

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Hi Glenny,
Thanks for the post. I haven't heard of Evindentia before, so I decided to 
check it out. It sounds like a great way to compare proof, but it seems like it 
would take forever to actually get all the information into the program. Am I 
missing something? I'll admit that I only took a rather quick look at it.
Ed 

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  Tried it about a year ago and have been watching the videos  just wanted a 
first hand experience with using it if possible.
 
 Glenny
 
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Have you tried the 2week demo? It's available on the web site.
 
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 Thinking of buying this and would like to know how others feel about it.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Unlinking part of my tree

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I had a couple of people in my tree that I have to question if they are really 
the right people too. I unlinked those people from the parents, thereby taking 
them off my tree, but leaving them in my database. If I find that these people 
actually are who I think they are, I can again link them to have them in my 
tree again. Those "same names, same time period" can be tough, and I think most 
of us probably have to contend with that problem.
I agree with Linda G. I would rather have 3 or 4 generations that are correct, 
than 15 or 20 that are questionable. The person with the most names in their 
tree doesn't necessarily win.
Ed 

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:12 AM, Laura G  wrote:
 

 Have you considered making a DB showing the details of each person?  I have 
had similar problems and a DB helps sorth these things out>    L:aura

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Unlinking part of my tree

On my tree I have a direct line that I will call SMITH. Unfortunately within
this Smith group there are several called John (all born around the same
time) several called Michael (all born around the same time) etc many of
these being cousins or second cousins.

I have a feeling that I have put the wrong children with parents, and
therefore their children are connected incorrectly.

I've tried to look at each family grouping to see if I can sort it out but
it's difficult. I've got a John Smith born 1700 with  son John Smith and
another one born 1710 with a son John Smith and still another one born say
1705.

I am thinking that my best bet would be to unlink the first Smith to link
into my tree, thereby hopefully unlinking them all. Then start attaching
them one by one back into the tree - but only when I have double checked
that I have the right person (although I thought that I had).

So I need to unlink my first Smith and all their connections, either by
blood or marriage from my main Coates file. Is this possible and if so how.

Or is there an easier solution?

Thank you

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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

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There is a reason I put the mother in, instead of the father. That reason is 
called old age. :) There are times when I don't necessarily think things 
through before doing them. But it makes sense to put the father in as Mr. 
Schommer. It can always be changed if something unexpected turns up.
I have strong reasons to believe that Nicolaus Schommer is a brother to Maria 
and Susanna, but I have no hard proof. So he is left out for now, but he is 
mentioned in other areas why I think he is a brother. Since I haven't added him 
yet, I guess I haven't completely lost it yet, although I'm working on it. ;)
Thanks for the replies. They make a lot of sense.
Ed 

On Wednesday, December 31, 1969 6:00 PM, I Macaulay via LegacyUserGroup 
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for your subscription.Ok, You guys know I am a little slow on the uptake,  but, 
I have been watching all this and wondering why the surname does not just get 
placed in the male parents position and then add the child?
Is there some problem that this sets up further down the line that I am not 
visualizing?  Is it that the father may not be the surname carrier?  Without a 
first name and without a source the data should be suspect and there fore 
equivalent to "unknown"  or other place fillers.

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On 25 Feb 2016 3:13 AM, Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

> For a long time, because of several strong indications, I was reasonably sure
> that Susanna Schommer was a sister to my g-grandmother, Maria Schommer. Now I
> finally have proof of that. When I went to enter a sibling for Maria, I
> recieved a message saying that siblings cannot be entered without first
> having a parent.

> I have no information whatsoever as to what their parents' names were, so in
> my mind, not entering a sibling would be a sin. She needs to be there so
> someone other than myself could have a shot of finding something I couldn't
> yet find. So I entered a mother with the given name of "Not", and the surname
> of "Known". The sibling was then added successfully. Has anyone else had this
> problem, and if so, how did you handle it?

In a past existence (Legacy 7.5) it was possible, with a parent-less person on 
show in the Family tab, to double-click on the empty parents and have the 
program 'create' blank parents. You could then add a sibling to the original, 
parent-less person. No parents were actually created. This no longer seems to 
work under version 8.0

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[LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

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For a long time, because of several strong indications, I was reasonably sure 
that Susanna Schommer was a sister to my g-grandmother, Maria Schommer. Now I 
finally have proof of that. When I went to enter a sibling for Maria, I 
recieved a message saying that siblings cannot be entered without first having 
a parent.
I have no information whatsoever as to what their parents' names were, so in my 
mind, not entering a sibling would be a sin. She needs to be there so someone 
other than myself could have a shot of finding something I couldn't yet find. 
So I entered a mother with the given name of "Not", and the surname of "Known". 
The sibling was then added successfully. Has anyone else had this problem, and 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge

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Dick, you make a good point. This has turned into a pretty good thread. Thanks 
for all the replies.
Ed

On Monday, January 25, 2016 11:11 AM, gerald  
wrote:


 My aunt was born on May 30, at home. My grandather later went into town to 
register the birth, but days later as he didn't go into the town vey often. He 
went in on June 10, and registered the birth as June 10. We don't know if he 
didn't read the forms correctly, or he just put down today's date, but that is 
the legal date of her birth. Everyone in the family KNOWS for certain that she 
was born on May 30. So through all the years, she had to go by June 10 on all 
legal documents. She tried to get it corrrected, but there is such a long legal 
process, and expense, that she gave up. It was easier for her to just change 
the date in her own mind! However, she feels cheated out of her Old Age Pension 
by a few days!! So I have entered a note about this strange event in her 
record, but legally recorded her birthdate as June 10. Other than her immediate 
family, no one really cares or is worried over it. Sent: Sunday, January 24, 
2016 at 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge
eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I 
can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at 
that stage whether it was before or after midnight.
But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the 
information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates.  
Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day 
itself.

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Personal knowledge

[Ed Ladendorf]

That's great, Cathy. Thank you very much. I appreciate the reply.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:29 PM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


 Ed,

There is a SourceWriter template for Personal Knowledge.
If you use Basic Sources, you can enter something similar.
I include whose knowledge and how they know or think they know - ie something 
that enables you to evaluate the knowledge.
eg: If my brother tells me he's a grandfather again on the day of the birth, I 
can be sure of the date - unless he just says "last night" and doesn't know at 
that stage whether it was before or after midnight.
But if I ask him now when one of them was born, I can't be so sure of the 
information he gives me unless he looks it up as he's not good with dates.  
Takes after our father - who gave us birthday presents but rarely on the day 
itself.

Cathy


Ed Ladendorf wrote:


This is something I'm struggling with. We might know things, but have
no hard proof to offer to someone else who might be working on our
line. For instance, let's say you have personal knowledge of a
person's birthday or date or cause of death (probably an immediate
family member), but you have no birth certificate or other
documentation. How would you cite the source? I have more than one
instance like this, and I could order the certificates, but I would
rather put that money toward other genealogical goodies, like Civil
War Pension records. Not only that, but ordering documentation like
that just seems like a waste of money, since I'm 100% sure of the
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Re: [LegacyUG] Looking in Temporary Interfiles

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Is the file in Legacy/Data now? If not, it might help to put it there. Then 
after you open it from there the first time, the next time it should open 
properly. This is just a guess, so I might be wrong. 

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 12:46 PM, Gene Young  wrote:


 I am using V8 and don't remember the exact steps but if you use the help file 
and search for default start file (or variations on this phrase) you should 
find what you need to set the default file to open when Legacy starts.

On 1/23/2016 12:21 PM, Rita Lynn McKale wrote:
> Hi
>
> I can’t figure this out.  After reformatting my computer I installed Legacy 
> 7.5 from the website.  I have several family files that I had backed up and 
> saved to an external hard drive.  I restored those files and then backed them 
> up.  Now when I go to File, Open Family File, Legacy is looking in “Temporary 
> Internet Files.  I can direct it to my C, Legacy, Data file but the next time 
> I want to open a family file it is looking in the Temporary Internet File 
> again.  What did I do wrong?  How can I fix, or do I need to delete 
> everything and start over again?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Briannasnana
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Ed Ladendorf]

Jamie, what you said to Mike is exactly what I was talking about. I've been 
using Legacy for some time, but it doesn't sound as if they will be taking that 
road. Even though I really like Legacy, I would consider switching if others 
offered that flexibility and Legacy didn't. Thanks for putting it in a clearer 
post than I did.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:38 PM, Jamie Poindexter 
<webmas...@poindexterfamily.org> wrote:


   Mike,

 It could be more like Microsoft Office products, where you subscribe to the 
software, such as Word, and you can save your documents in your OneDrive 
account or on your computer or another cloud storage, such as Dropbox.  With 
the OneDrive  (a cloud storage space), you can access documents stored there 
from any computer, pad or smart phone that can open or view a Word document.  
Same for Dropbox.

 Ed,

 I haven't adopted Legacy yet, waiting for the TMG importer as using a gedcom 
to import looses too much of my data.  However, using TMG, I store my files on 
Dropbox.  That way they are backed up should I loose my hard drive.  They are 
also accessible from any other Windows computer running TMG (TMG never 
developed a Mac, iOS or Android app before going out of business).   In fact, 
there are three of us working from three computers in two different states on 
the TMG database.  We coordinate so that we don't have two people manipulating 
the data at the same time. 

 I also store my Legacy data in Dropbox.  So I can install Legacy on my hard 
drive on more than one computer and access the data from each.  Advise to make 
sure you don't have the same data set open on more than one computer at a time. 
 I haven't tested that to see if anything breaks.  Making a change in any 
database while making a change from a second computer usually means one 
person's changes don't get saved or get overwritten.

 I'm using Legacy in the free mode, as I am checking it out and waiting for the 
TMG importer.  So I don't know if they have an Android or iOS app, but yes, 
that would be nice.  Also Mac would be great as I have one researcher that uses 
one and can't help enter data in TMG.  I'm also looking at RootsMagic, which 
does import TMG and does have Android and iOS apps.  I haven't tested the apps 
yet, but did learn that their TMG importer didn't import everything.  I will be 
discussing that with their support staff.  Their exporter to the web has room 
for improvement as well.  Haven't tested Legacy's exporter yet.

 For me, whichever application gets the TMG importer right, that's the one I 
will probably go with.  MacOS is my next priority, followed by iOS and Android. 

 Regards,
 Jamie, webmaster
 Poindexter Descendants Association

 On 1/22/2016 10:30 AM, MikeFry wrote:

 On 22 Jan 2016 5:40 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:


 Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the 
cloud
could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the program itself
in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of Legacy? If it is
possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a lot of people. Sorry
if I did not understand that possibility correctly.

 Totally different business model. What you're asking would entail running 
Legacy
Family Tree as a Web application rather than as a Desktop application. You
wouldn't then purchase the software, but simply pay a monthly subscription to
use it. In all probability, keeping the data on your PC would incur massive
costs as the data flows back and forth. It then becomes cheaper to keep the data
on the website and you've lost the ultimate ownership of it. Just like using
Ancestry's software to maintain a tree on their website.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks Sherry. I have a chromebook, an android phone, and a desktop PC. There 
is another possibility for some people who have something like I have. There is 
Chrome Remote Desktop. This will allow you to remotely access your computer, 
with Chrome or Android. This works very well, but if someone else is using the 
PC, they will have to agree to give it up so you can access your files. So it's 
not a perfect solution, but it works with an internet connection. So if you're 
at a family search center, you will be able to access Legacy that resides on 
your PC. It is also secure because you give it a pin number with a minimum of 6 
numerals.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 3:57 PM, Sherry/Support 
<she...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:


 I don't know of any genealogy programs that are stored on a server.
Those who offer web space, such as Ancestry and other "tree" pages,
have definite problems, mainly the lack of flexibility you get with
desktop programs. Searches, reports, sorts, etc are quite limited.

And when you decide you need something that's more "powerful", the
gedcoms created from those websites are not very good. We've seen some
horrendous issues with them - we deal with them most every day.

 A good desktop program with storage of your data on a cloud service
such as Dropbox works great. If you have a laptop (and most people
have desktop and laptop these days) you can install Legacy on both
computers (yes, you can use your customer number to unlock the Deluxe
features on more than one computer), or other mobile device and use
with Families 2.0, you can work on your data anywhere! You don't even
need an internet connection, which you would need if you're working
with a cloud based program.  Just work on the file that's in Dropbox
on the computer you're using and then when you get connected, it'll
automatically sync to the web and back to your other computer.

Families 2.0 uses a sync program on the desktop to convert the Legacy
file to an iOS or Android format and then you can convert it back to
your Legacy file.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Ed Ladendorf <edladend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jamie, what you said to Mike is exactly what I was talking about. I've been
> using Legacy for some time, but it doesn't sound as if they will be taking
> that road. Even though I really like Legacy, I would consider switching if
> others offered that flexibility and Legacy didn't. Thanks for putting it in
> a clearer post than I did.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the 
cloud could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the program 
itself in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of Legacy? If 
it is possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a lot of people. 
Sorry if I did not understand that possibility correctly.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 8:03 AM, Sherry/Support 
<she...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:


 You can store the Family File in the cloud, but the program itself has
to be installed under Windows or a Windows emulator.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Ed Ladendorf <edladend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sherry, thanks for the reply. I know it is a Windows program, but I thought
> the new version might also run in the cloud, as Evernote and Windows Office
> programs do. That would certainly be a good thing since many programs are
> becoming available wherever you are, and on whichever device you happen to
> be using. It would be a shame if people switched to another program simply
> because it offered that flexibility, and Legacy did not. Again, thank you
> for the reply.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:15 PM, Sherry/Support
> <she...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:
>
>
> No dates were given to us.
>
> Legacy is a Windows program and will not run under Chrome. To use on
> an Android device, you will need to get the app, Families 2.0.  Please
> check this out on our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Online Store
>> Mobile Apps.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Strange thing after updating

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thank you, Brian. That did the trick.
Ed


On Friday, November 20, 2015 9:23 AM, Brian/Support 
<br...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:


 While adding information to her you probably clicked on the gender to
change her to male. Open her up again and look for the M F ? to the
right of the Title Suf. entry box. If a person is not married you can
make a check mark in any one of the three at any time. Once they are
married you have to use Edit > Swap Husband and Wife to change gender.

Re the Great Aunt label: Legacy only calculates relationships when you
first add a new person or when you use Tools > Set Relationships so the
value calculated for her while she was still marked as female still applies.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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On 20/11/2015 10:01 AM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>  Hi Folks,
> I recently downloaded the most recent update. After adding a little 
> information to my great aunt, and saving it, her information became shown on 
> the left side of the family view, where the male sex should be. Even though 
> she now appears as  a male, her relationship still reads "Great Aunt". Has 
> anyone else experienced this? I'd rather not delete her and enter her again 
> because her number will change. Suggestions?
> Ed




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Re: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails?

[Ed Ladendorf]

 Thank you, Jim. I appreciate your time.
Ed

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:17 AM, Jim Terry/Support 
<jimte...@legacyusers.com> wrote:


 Ed,

I have manually reset your LUG subscription, which should fix the problem.
I do not know why email suddenly stop going to some people, like you.
Typically when I check their subscriptions, they appear to be subscribed
and I just click Save to reset and close their screen and all is well.
Emails might stop being send to people when their number of bounces reaches
200 or it may be due to the number of subscribers some how (11,669) as of
now or ???

Jim
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree




 Original Message 
> From: "Ed Ladendorf" <edladend...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:56 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails?
>
> I belonged to this list a while ago, but somehow got taken off. After
trying several times to re-subscribe with no success, I finally gave up.
Trying to subscribe again, gets me the notice that it was successful. But
still no emails. Not even in my Spam box. Any suggestions? I'm using the
archives now.
> Ed




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Re: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails?

[Ed Ladendorf]

I know this has been a problem for quite a while. And I want to say thanks for 
the other replies. I read them on the archives.
Ed


On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:34 PM, gerald <g...@representative.com> 
wrote:


 I also, like many on this list, don't always get emails from the group. Often 
a whole week goes by without any email at all, which is most unusual for this 
group, and then they start up again. I have no idea why and I don't know how to 
re-set any of the preferences. I don't know if I miss any emails since I don't 
get a long backlog when they start up again. Maybe everyone is just quiet now 
and then?So I guess that's just how it is. Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 
5:27 PM
From: "Ed Ladendorf" <edladend...@yahoo.com>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails?I belonged to this list a while 
ago, but somehow got taken off. After trying several times to re-subscribe with 
no success, I finally gave up. Trying to subscribe again, gets me the notice 
that it was successful. But still no emails. Not even in my Spam box. Any 
suggestions? I'm using the archives now. Ed

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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem viewing .pdf files

[Ed Ladendorf]

Second request for help on this one. Thanks.

Ed



On Friday, February 21, 2014 2:05 PM, Ed Ladendorf edladend...@yahoo.com 
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When I try to view a .pdf file I have in the media center, I get the message 
There is currently no default media player set up for your computer. If I 
double click on a .pdf file anywhere else but Legacy, it opens in Adobe Reader.

I went to Options, Customize, Launch, and set the .pdf file to launch in 
Adobe Reader. I then have the option to launch the file I want. The file opens 
correctly, but if I'm trying to open the file from the media center, I get the 
same message again. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a known bug?

Ed

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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem viewing .pdf files

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks Mike. Sorry for the poor terminology. No wonder I didn't get a reply.

If I click on the icon for the media gallery for the individual, I'm able to 
see the .pdf file. Not so in the Picture Center. If I click on the file in the 
Media Gallery, it will not open. Where am I going wrong??

Ed



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:17 AM, MikeFry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

On 23 Feb 2014 13:49, Ed Ladendorf wrote:

 On Friday, February 21, 2014 2:05 PM, Ed Ladendorf edladend...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

 When I try to view a .pdf file I have in the media center, I get the message
 There is currently no default media player set up for your computer. If I
 double click on a .pdf file anywhere else but Legacy, it opens in Adobe 
 Reader.

 I went to Options, Customize, Launch, and set the .pdf file to launch in
 Adobe Reader. I then have the option to launch the file I want. The file opens
 correctly, but if I'm trying to open the file from the media
 center, I get the
 same message again. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a known bug?

Media Center is misleading, particularly when it's still titled Picture Center.
Note the word Picture: image; photograph etc. PDF files are documents. They may
contain an image but they are not image files.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem viewing .pdf files

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks for the replies. I'm not concerned with it not showing up in the Picture 
Center. The Media Gallery shows the .pdf file, but as stated in my original 
post, double clicking on it will not open it. I'm greeted with the message 
There is currently no default media player set up for your computer.  I'm 
baffled by this, as when double clicking on a .pdf file anywhere but Legacy 
launches it with no problem.


Ed



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br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

To open the file you have to double click on it.

Brian
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On 23 Feb 2014 7:44 AM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
 Thanks Mike. Sorry for the poor terminology. No wonder I didn't get a reply.

 If I click on the icon for the media gallery for the individual, I'm able to 
 see the .pdf file. Not so in the Picture Center. If I click on the file in 
 the Media Gallery, it will not open. Where am I going wrong??

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Re: [LegacyUG] 'How To' YouTube video for changing tag colors in Legacy v8

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks very much for posting the video. I wish there were more of these.

Ed



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'How To' YouTube video for changing tag colors in Legacy v8
This homemade video ismade with basic screen capture software andisnothing 
fancy but if you can view it inHD 720Pon YouTube, Ithinkit will be satisfactory 
forviewing and following the steps.
I believe the default viewingbegins with480P. It is much clearer if viewed in 
720P.If it doesn’t switch automatically to 720P,you can make this change under 
settings on the YouTube viewing screen. I hope thismight behelpful to Legacy 
userswhorecently asked about changing the colors of their nine tags.…Mary
How to change tag colors in Legacy v8
http://youtu.be/YX-e8E_Ayb8

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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem viewing .pdf files

[Ed Ladendorf]

Paul,

Thank you very much for your time. I was pretty sure I chose document as the 
type, but to be sure I reattached the file, being *very* careful to choose 
document. The problem is still the same, but I very much appreciate your 
willingness to help. I just wonder if anyone else has experienced this issue.

FWIW, I'm a very long way from being a computer guru, but I'm not completely at 
the other end either, although much closer.

Ed



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:51 PM, Paul Gray graypa...@outlook.com wrote:

Ed,
 
A clue as to what might be happening, but I’m not sure how to prove it or fix 
it. Perhaps this suggestion will be enough for others with more specific 
knowledge to assist.
 
I wonder if the ‘type of file’ for the PDF was incorrectly set to picture when 
the link was first established, and when you double click on it it is trying to 
use the built in picture viewer in Legacy and it can’t because the file is a 
PDF. When you attach any media item Legacy 8, you get a drop down menu with 
selections Picture, Sound, Video, Document, Internet Website, or Scan a 
Picture. Back in 7.5, there were four icons, Picture, Sound, Video, or File if 
I remember properly.
 
I’ve never seen any use made of this data element other than if the type is 
picture, it’s tries to use some internal viewer to display the media, and if it 
is anything other than picture, it uses whatever default program you have set 
up for that file type. You obviously have a PDF viewer set up because it opens 
in that viewer elsewhere on your computer (e.g. in Windows explorer).
 
Now the problem. I know of nowhere in Legacy to see what the ‘type of file’ 
originally chosen was when the media was linked, nor any way to change it.
 
I guess you could try reattaching it, making sure you select ‘Document’ from 
the drop down, and see whether it works. But, I admit it doesn’t help much with 
fixing the issue.
 
Paul Gray
 
From:Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: February-23-14 6:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem viewing .pdf files
 
Thanks for the replies. I'm not concerned with it not showing up in the Picture 
Center. The Media Gallery shows the .pdf file, but as stated in my original 
post, double clicking on it will not open it. I'm greeted with the message 
There is currently no default media player set up for your computer.  I'm 
baffled by this, as when double clicking on a .pdf file anywhere but Legacy 
launches it with no problem.
 

Ed
 
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:02 AM, Brian/Support 
br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
To open the file you have to double click on it.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

On 23 Feb 2014 7:44 AM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
 Thanks Mike. Sorry for the poor terminology. No wonder I didn't get a reply.

 If I click on the icon for the media gallery for the individual, I'm able to 
 see the .pdf file. Not so in the Picture Center. If I click on the file in 
 the Media Gallery, it will not open. Where am I going wrong??

 Ed



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[LegacyUG] Possible bug

[Ed Ladendorf]

Some of you know I've been having a problem opening a .pdf file in Legacy 8. 
Here's what I found out:

I have Legacy 8 on my desktop computer and on my laptop. My desktop is Legacy 
8.0.0.397, build date Feb 4. I can not open .pdf files on it. My laptop has not 
been able to access the internet for a while. It's version is 8.0.0.367, build 
date Dec 20. I added the .pdf file on it, and it opens as it should!!

If you have the Feb 4 build date, please try to open a .pdf file if you have 
one in Legacy, and let us know if it's the build or not. Thanks.

Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] Possible bug

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks Charles. That's pretty much the same system I'm running. Maybe I need to 
re-install the same version if that's possible. If not, maybe the next update 
will take care of things.

Ed



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:52 PM, Charles Apple apple1...@centurylink.net 
wrote:

Ed,

I am running Legacy 8, version 8.0.0.397, build date 4 February 2014 on a 
Windows 7, 64 bit computer. I attached a .pdf file to someone in the Media 
Center, and was able to open that .pdf just fine. No problems at all, and I am 
using Adobe Acrobat XI Pro.

Charles

From: Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:32 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Possible bug

Some of you know I've been having a problem opening a .pdf file in Legacy 8. 
Here's what I found out:

I have Legacy 8 on my desktop computer and on my laptop. My desktop is Legacy 
8.0.0.397, build date Feb 4. I can not open .pdf files on it. My laptop has not 
been able to access the internet for a while. It's version is 8.0.0.367, build 
date Dec 20. I added the .pdf file on it, and it opens as it should!!

If you have the Feb 4 build date, please try to open a .pdf file if you have 
one in Legacy, and let us know if it's the build or not. Thanks.

Ed




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Re: [LegacyUG] Possible bug

[Ed Ladendorf]

OK Thanks Michele. Looks like it is definitely not the build.

Ed



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:20 PM, Michele/Support 
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

I have the Feb 4th build and I am having no problems opening pdfs.  I have all 
my newspapers pages (obits) as pds.
 
 
Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
 
From:Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:32 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Possible bug
 
Some of you know I've been having a problem opening a .pdf file in Legacy 8. 
Here's what I found out:
 
I have Legacy 8 on my desktop computer and on my laptop. My desktop is Legacy 
8.0.0.397, build date Feb 4. I can not open .pdf files on it. My laptop has not 
been able to access the internet for a while. It's version is 8.0.0.367, build 
date Dec 20. I added the .pdf file on it, and it opens as it should!!
 
If you have the Feb 4 build date, please try to open a .pdf file if you have 
one in Legacy, and let us know if it's the build or not. Thanks.
 
Ed


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[LegacyUG] Lengthy notes in Legacy 8

[Ed Ladendorf]

While online, I met a man who had been studying the Civil War for years. He 
wrote a rather lengthy story that was likely to be a very interesting true 
story of my great grandfather's experiences in the Civil War.

It seems to me this story should be placed in the general notes section, but I 
want to be sure I'm not mistaken about this. Or maybe it really has no place at 
all being there?? It is possible that the man he wrote about is not my great 
grandfather (because of spelling variations), but has a high percentage of 
being him. If it should not go in the general notes, where should it go? Thanks 
for any suggestions.

Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] Lengthy notes in Legacy 8

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks very much for the suggestions. Your time is appreciated. The story will 
now be placed in Legacy, but not in the general notes section. It's always good 
to see how others handle things.

Ed



On Friday, February 21, 2014 9:21 AM, Michele/Support 
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

Ed,
This is just personal preference but if it is lengthy, I would save it as a pdf 
and attach it your grandfather instead of copying and pasting it into the 
General Notes field.

Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 21 Feb 2014 15:19, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
 While online, I met a man who had been studying the Civil War for
 years. He wrote a rather lengthy story that was likely to be a very
 interesting true story of my great grandfather's experiences in the Civil War.

 It seems to me this story should be placed in the general notes
 section, but I want to be sure I'm not mistaken about this. Or maybe
 it really has no place at all being there?? It is possible that the
 man he wrote about is not my great grandfather (because of spelling
 variations), but has a high percentage of being him. If it should not
 go in the general notes, where should it go? Thanks for any suggestions.





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[LegacyUG] Problem viewing .pdf files

[Ed Ladendorf]

When I try to view a .pdf file I have in the media center, I get the message 
There is currently no default media player set up for your computer. If I 
double click on a .pdf file anywhere else but Legacy, it opens in Adobe Reader.

I went to Options, Customize, Launch, and set the .pdf file to launch in 
Adobe Reader. I then have the option to launch the file I want. The file opens 
correctly, but if I'm trying to open the file from the media center, I get the 
same message again. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a known bug?

Ed



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[LegacyUG] Quick help videos

[Ed Ladendorf]

I know there are supposed to be quick help videos available on many screens, 
but I can not find them. Maybe I'm not the brightest light bulb in the room, 
but will someone please tell me how to access them? I've tried the help files, 
and I've looked at quite a few different screens, but I simply do not find how 
to access them. Searching the archives is no help either. I understand they 
have a film strip icon, but I have not seen it. Any help will be appreciated.

Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] Quick help videos

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks for the replies. I'd like to see a reply from Support as to whether or 
not those files will be available in the near future. It sounds as though those 
quick help videos would answer a lot of questions that might come up on this 
list.


Ed



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wrote:

I know there are supposed to be quick help videos available on many screens, 
but I can not find them. Maybe I'm not the brightest light bulb in the room, 
but will someone please tell me how to access them? I've tried the help files, 
and I've looked at quite a few different screens, but I simply do not find how 
to access them. Searching the archives is no help either. I understand they 
have a film strip icon, but I have not seen it. Any help will be appreciated.

Ed

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Re: [LegacyUG] Quick help videos

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks for the reply, Bobby. I imagine it will take some time before they're 
available. But at least they know people are interested.

Ed



On Sunday, February 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Bobby Johnson b...@brmemc.net wrote:

I ran into this “Quickhelp Videos” while preparing for my MyrphyHayesville 
Legacy Users Group.  I asked Legacy support and they responded that these 
videos have not yet been developed.  I quote: “We are waiting for the Legacy 8 
rush to settle down before we start making these videos”
Bobby
 
From:Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 12:55 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quick help videos
 
Thanks for the replies. I'd like to see a reply from Support as to whether or 
not those files will be available in the near future. It sounds as though those 
quick help videos would answer a lot of questions that might come up on this 
list.
 

Ed
 
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:34 AM, Ed Ladendorf edladend...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
I know there are supposed to be quick help videos available on many screens, 
but I can not find them. Maybe I'm not the brightest light bulb in the room, 
but will someone please tell me how to access them? I've tried the help files, 
and I've looked at quite a few different screens, but I simply do not find how 
to access them. Searching the archives is no help either. I understand they 
have a film strip icon, but I have not seen it. Any help will be appreciated.
 
Ed

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Re: [LegacyUG] media gallery

[Ed Ladendorf]

Randy, you didn't get a reply yet, so I'll take a very wild guess. If I'm 
wrong, which I probably am, at least your question will get to the top of the 
list for others to see.

My guess would be that the original which was copied to the media folder was a 
read only file. To check this out, find the original, highlight it, then right 
click to check the properties. This should tell you if it is a read only file, 
and if it is, you should be able to take that characteristic off.

Ed



On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:16 PM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:

When an item in a person's media gallery is not allowing editing and the number 
above it is red what is indicated?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Identity theft

[Ed Ladendorf]

Ron,  It's not that the trust is not there. But I can understand when someone 
is just getting into genealogy, it might be a temptation to publish the data 
without even considering the possible consequences.

Ed



On Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:24 AM, Michele/Support 
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

Ed,
I enter everything and source everything.  HOWEVER, I am very selective with 
what I share with others.  I will only export a select branch or even just a 
single family.  I will mark people as invisible if I need to but I can’t even 
remember having to do this because I rarely send anything to anyone that is 
dated more recent than about 1900.  Why, because if it is recent they should 
have been able to find it themselves J   I never GEDCOM my entire file and send 
it to someone. 
 
Michele
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From:Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Identity theft
 
I would like to share my files with a trusted family member (or friend). But 
I'm hesitant to include much information on living people, even though this can 
be suppressed by whomever gets the file. It's entirely possible that they could 
enter this information online (whether intentional or not), or share it through 
another medium. This has been a concern of mine, and I wonder how others handle 
it. Genealogy could be a gold mine for unscrupulous people.
 
1. How much information do you enter, if any, about your children or other 
living family members, and do you include sources?
 
2. Do you enter sources for yourself? You don't need them, but others might in 
the future. 
 
Thanks for any direction in this matter.
 
Ed


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Re: [LegacyUG] Identity theft

[Ed Ladendorf]

Bill,

No reason to by sorry for that! I appreciate the effort it took to write that, 
and it means a lot. Excellent food for thought!!

Thanks for the other replies too. They give me something to consider when 
sharing information.

Ed




On Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:32 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I delete all social security numbers, don't include sources unless I really 
know this person, and tell them I do not want my information posted online.
 
I had this experience recently with a distant cousin I never met.  He belongs 
to the LDS church and he told me he doesn't use genealogy software and would be 
posting it to FamilySearch.  I told him I didn't want all my research put there 
and if I did I'd put it there myself.  My thought was since I did all the 
research, why should he get credit for my work so I didn't send him my entire 
file like he requested.  Not happening.  Instead I sent him a very scaled down 
version of my direct lines with just information his mother sent to me years 
ago (she died a couple of months ago) and some new information.  I didn't 
include the sources or any images.
 
I figure if they are really interested in the sources, they can request them 
later.  If they don't, it's a strong possibility they aren't interested in 
researching to verify your data.  This could also mean they are just going to 
post it online so they can have a massive number of names in their tree.
 
Have Legacy remove living people and ones you're not sure are dead.  You may 
have to manually go through the index of individuals to see who doesn't have a 
death date.  If they were born in the 19th century, there's a great possibility 
they are dead.  If you do include sources, I would delete any text attached to 
it.  I know this is a big job, but I've done it for online trees.
 
You've worked hard on your family tree.  Don't give it all away just because 
someone, related or not, is too lazy to do the research themselves.  My tree 
has information I researched pre-Ancestry.com and the old-fashioned way.  I see 
too many people online want the research done for them.
 
I had a guy who claimed to be a well-known writer (Googled him and came up with 
nothing) who wanted all my information, photos, etc. on one particular line.  I 
wouldn't give it to him because he refused to credit myself and other cousins 
who provided the information.  He emailed me recently saying his book was 
coming out soon and he needed a better photo than one he found online.  I told 
him I didn't have one and I was using the same photo he had.  One thing I 
considered is when his book is copyrighted, it will include my information.  
That means if I want to write a book, I can't copyright that same information 
again because he did it already and now he owns my information.  I know of one 
tree on Ancestry that is copyrighted which is why I won't submit my photos to 
it.
 
You never know what someone's intentions are so it might be better to quiz this 
trusted family member a little more before sharing.  Find out what they have 
to offer in return or if they know anything about the family lines they are 
requesting.  I tell all the fakes I've worked hard on my research and it didn't 
all come from Ancestry or other online providers.  If they have nothing to 
offer in return then they are probably newbies.  This is not always a bad thing 
unless they can't share anything about their side of the family.  Some of my 
newbie third cousins, who I've never met, were a big help because they shared 
photos and information I didn't have which led me to new discoveries.
 
Sometimes, like me, you have to be a Scrooge with your data otherwise it will 
end up on someone else's tree where it doesn't belong.  I'm very over 
protective of my data and you do have to worry about identity theft.  I've been 
a victim of it several times and I worry that someone can use identifiable 
information against myself or other family members.  Even dead people are at 
risk.
 
One thing you can do.  Instead of sending a GEDCOM just create a private online 
tree at Ancestry and give them guest access.  The only ones who get a GEDCOM 
from me are cousins I've been working with for years and who we both have a 
trusting relationship.  Sorry for the bloated email.
 
Bill Boswell
 
From:Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Identity theft
 
I would like to share my files with a trusted family member (or friend). But 
I'm hesitant to include much information on living people, even though this can 
be suppressed by whomever gets the file. It's entirely possible that they could 
enter this information online (whether intentional or not), or share it through 
another medium. This has been a concern of mine, and I wonder how others handle 
it. Genealogy could be a gold mine for unscrupulous people.
 
1. How much information do you enter, if 

Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Ed Ladendorf]

Leo,

I'm pretty much a rookie, so keep that in mind while reading my reply.

Since he was often recorded as Ivan, I would list that as an AKA. This could 
help others find information that might not be found otherwise.

For your second question, I'll answer with how I handled a similar problem. As 
stated in my original post, my ancestor, Ladendorf, was listed as Lander in the 
1860 census. Under the AKAs, I listed Lander (1860 census) since I viewed 
this as an isolated instance. Others viewing this will immediately know this is 
an isolated case, and they will know where to find him in the 1860 census. I 
think this will work.




On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:51 PM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
 started going by Evan.

 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but 
 others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as 
 Ivan.

 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often 
 recorded as it.

 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling 
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
 better understanding.

 Leo


  From: singh...@erols.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
  Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500
 
  You could be right, of course.
 
  Cheryl
 
 
  CE WOOD wrote:
   The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
   earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
   when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
   AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
   the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
   makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
   in the book.
  
   For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
   people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
   od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
   some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
   restored; some were called differently depending whether the
   author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
  
   Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
   searching:
  
   England, AEthelwulf, King of
   Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
   West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
  
  
   And then the women:
  
   Northumberland, AEthelreda of
   Allerdale, AEthelreda of
   Dunbar, AEthelreda of
   Dunbar, Octreda of
   Northumbria, Uchtreda of
  
   Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
   Bearsson, Sibylla
   Northumbria, AElfled of
   Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
  
   Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
   need to research any one individual in those lands!
  
   While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
  
   Clare, Gilbert the Red de
   -was also known as-
  
   Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
   -as well as-
  
   Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  
  
   But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
   so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
   or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
   search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
  
   I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
   in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
   name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
   name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
  
   As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
   Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
   Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
   Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
   Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
   of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
   Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
  
   All of this says nothing about the fact that English
   spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
   English even later. Read any early English or American wills
   for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
   the same document.
  
   To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
   in your reports depends on your audience.
  
  
   CE
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Cheers, Carolyn
  
From: singh...@erols.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
   
And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
deed variety.
   
And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
includes qwsrf on father 

[LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Ed Ladendorf]

A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as Henry 
Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H Ladendorff (an 
extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different sources. There are several 
other variations.

Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is obvious 
they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf? Would you also do 
the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for any direction. I'm 
trying to get it right this time.

Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Ed Ladendorf]

First post here. This has been an interesting thread. I have a woman whose 
maiden name I do not know. For the given name I entered Maria (maiden name 
unknown), and the surname entered was Barbie. Now I'm wondering if I do an 
internet search through Legacy, will the (maiden name unknown) be the reason I 
might get zero hits? If so, is there another way that will give better results?

Ed



On Monday, January 6, 2014 6:47 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

Thanks Charlene :)

-Original Message-
From: Charlene C [mailto:charlene...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 3:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

What American English calls parentheses, British English calls
(round) brackets.

--Charlene



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote:
 Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that
 what you meant to say?


 CE

 From: rgaus...@telus.net
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800


 Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in
 brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
 Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
 started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
 forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married
 surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of
 showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy
 to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse

 On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
  SNIP
  And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the
 surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
  When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has
 done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having
 their married name entered in the surname box.
 SNIP


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