Re: Feature req: completely turn off saved web page app iconsprites/replace with generic?
On 31 Dec 2013 Tim Hill wrote: In article bf3768c253.zen44...@zen.co.uk, Simon Smith simon_sm...@zen.co.uk wrote: When you save a local copy of a web page with NetSurf you get an icon file which is a tiny thumbnail view of the entire web page. I don't like these very much - I find them untidy. Given that you can control whether or not iconised windows use thumbnail images, it's a bit odd that one has no control at all over the 'saved page icons'. It isn't odd at all. Different things are done differently by different things. I am sure the NS devs thought that an iconised page was ideal. I tend to agree. It harmonises with the current history display by having the 'same' thumbnails. I guess the real question is whether you want to save a web page as an application or just as a directory with an index.html file. It can be convenient just to double-click on the app although in practice the main reason I use full save is to save all the image files in one go in which case a normal directory would do. The 'large' filer icon is really too small to be useful as a thumbnail but I don't have a problem with its use as such. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Bugs, their care and stomping
On 17 Dec 2013 Vincent Sanders wrote: I have to be pretty harsh in my triage and will close incomplete bugs (especially anonymous ones) without a detailed examination. These may be reopened by the reporter but I request that as much information is provided as you can. I'm getting a number of bug reports closed because there is insufficient information to investigate them. This is fair enough but I wonder if it's still worth reporting random crashes which are not easily reproduceable if the logs don't give sufficient information to locate the problem? It's not feasible to keep a manual log of every keystroke and mouse click just in case Netsurf crashes because most of the time it doesn't. In any case the crash may have been triggered by data coming back from a web server, or by other activity on the host computer. I realise that it's not possible to log everything both because it would take up a lot of space and also because of security and privacy implications. That said, if I crashed it on a pr0n site (a hypo- thetical situation, you understand) you wouldn't get a report anyway! It's possible that I was unable to upload the log file because of problems with Sourceforge but if so I can usually provide them by email (I have 280 on file). I hope that this is no longer a problem now that we have the new system in place so I'll resume bug reporting. Regards, -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Cut to clipboard
On 10 Aug 2013 Harriet Bazley wrote: Now that it is possible to select and delete areas in textboxes without crashing NetSurf, would it be possible to have areas deleted by overtyping automatically cut to the clipboard, a la Impression? Or at least have a do you really want to do this? warning, a la Impression II? Currently it seems all too easy to jog the mouse and accidentally select a block above the cursor, which results in everything you have just written being wiped out unintentionally as you continue to type - I'm not clear if this is a bug or a side-effect of my mousing/typing style, but it happens quite often. It used to cause a crash and the loss of all data, but now only causes the loss of a section of the text. :-) F8 undoes the last action, but I guess there's a limit to the number of times you can go back. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: bug? triggered by deleting cookie?
On 24 Jul 2013 Jim Nagel wrote: I have been trying without success to log into the Control Panel for one of my web domains using Netsurf #1276 on Iyonix 5.18. Advice from Neil Spellings (who hosts the domain) is that it's a session matter and to delete the cookie. I did that, and soon Netsurf crashed. Relaunched Netsurf, noted the long cookie list is now down to just two items, deleted one, repeated the process, and Netsurf promptly crashed again. I prefer to delete cookies straight out of the cookies file after quitting Netsurf because it reads in the file on loading and writes it out again before quitting. If NetSurf crashes then it won't rewrite the cookies file so any new cookies or deletions in the current session will be lost. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
NS Crashing on closing window
It seems to be repeatable to get NetSurf to crash with a Segmentation fault by requesting a page and then closing the window while it is fetching the page. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: bug? triggered by deleting cookie?
On 24 Jul 2013 Jim Nagel wrote: Richard Porter wrote on 24 Jul: I prefer to delete cookies straight out of the cookies file after quitting Netsurf because it reads in the file on loading and writes it out again before quitting. If NetSurf crashes then it won't rewrite the cookies file so any new cookies or deletions in the current session will be lost. Where *is* this cookies file? I had an unsuccessful hunt in Scrapdir before posting my previous message. In my case (OS6): !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Cookies I have a copy of the file with just the cookies I need to keep, so I can just delete the current one and copy the saved one into its place. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Invisible JPEG
On 14 Jul 2013 lists wrote: Why does this appear to be a completly blank page in NetSurf, Dev C1 #1278, but if I ObjectObjectSave the invisible Jpeg I can view it quite easily using something like !Jcut. http://www.musiciansbuy.com/mmMBCOM/Images/Simon_28870kit.jp I get a very large image of a guitar (#1292). The top left hand part is white so that's what you may be looking at. This is bad web design - it's a 300dpi image which gets rendered at 90dpi in NetSurf. Btw, you need a 'g' on the end of the URL. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: #1276 Page rendering
On 6 Jul 2013 Brian Howlett wrote: On 6 Jul, Brian Bailey wrote: At Amazon site, http://www.amazon.co.uk/packaging Upper part of page, rendering ever so slightly a bit of a shambles. Seems to be confined to this particular page. #1276 otherwise appears to be OK. Seems OK here - I've just had a look at a few Amazon pages and could observe no issues, with the possible exception that the Search box is a little high, and the text on the Go button is aligned to the top instead of the centre. I'm getting a lot of problems with pages on The Register, mainly with images and/or text in the main pane overlapping the right hand pane. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Sourceforge
What's happened to Sourceforge? It's virtually unusable now. The help page tells me to click on Submit new but it's nowhere to be found on the bugs page. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Sourceforge
On 5 Jul 2013 Jim Nagel wrote: And, while on the subject of Sourceforge, does its print really need to be so tiny, given the acres of white space? And does the print need to be grey rather than black? (Is this grey a current fashion among website designers or is it my eyesight?!? If grey, I presume it is controlled by something in CSS.) That sort of thing is annoying. I like Oregano's option to disable Use document colours. Pity we haven't got something similar in NS. I probably raised it as a feature request in the dim and distant past. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
New sourceforge bug form completely unusable
I am completely unable to add a comment to a bug report on Sourceforge. When I post the comment I get error 302 followed by 404 if I click the link. I wanted to reply to report 1453 - crash when closing window while page is loading. I'm getting this too. I clicked Adjust accidentally and closed the resulting blank window. NetSurf crashed with a segmentation fault. I can supply a log if necessary, except that I can't attach it to someone else's bug report (and I can't do anything with the new Sourceforge interface). -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: streetmap.co.uk
On 13 Jun 2013 Bernard Boase wrote: Until recently Netsurf could render maps at streetmap.co.uk provided one entered via their older interface at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm from which exporting a drawfile could be extremely useful. But now even entering via this URL, the map display is only in the new format which Netsurf apparently cannot display. I am currently using 3.1 (Dec Cl #1252). Any suggestions? NetSurf 2.9 will render the maps; the latest dev versions won't. I've complained to streetmap about the removal of the old interface. In particualr it makes it harder to extract the map images from a saved draw file. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: streetmap.co.uk
On 14 Jun 2013 Rob Kendrick wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 09:58:17AM +0100, Richard Porter wrote: On 13 Jun 2013 Bernard Boase wrote: NetSurf 2.9 will render the maps; the latest dev versions won't. I've complained to streetmap about the removal of the old interface. In particualr it makes it harder to extract the map images from a saved draw file. Why do you think they care about removing the ability of their users to take copyrighted data they are not licenced to use, and for the sake of at most a few dozen users? I don't, but it is perfectly reasonable to expect to be able to print off a map for use away from the computer e.g. in the car or out walking or cycling if you don't have a sat-nav. That is not an infringement of copyright if it's for your own use and not republished elsewhere. Anyway I didn't mention that to streetmap - only the fact that the new interface doesn't work on any RISC OS browser. I subsequently found that NS2.9 would still render the maps and possibly other versions with JS off. My point about extracting map images was inaccurate. In fact I just delete all the extraneous stuff, leaving the actual map to be printed on A4. I normally used Fresco because the saved draw files are compatible with my printer whereas NetSurf's aren't due to 32-bit colour sprites. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Visited links
I've noticed that since quite recently NS has been preserving visited link status over several sessions instead of starting from scratch each time. Is this related to the site history duration in the Security choices? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Visited links
On 6 Jun 2013 Rob Kendrick wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 11:03:25AM +0100, Richard Porter wrote: I've noticed that since quite recently NS has been preserving visited link status over several sessions instead of starting from scratch each time. This has always been the case. A link is visited if it is in the history (or rather, in the urldb with a non-zero visited count.) The only recent change is that we re-enabled the code to colour links differently if they had a non-zero visited count. Thanks, that explains why I have just noticed it. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Mac OS X
On 19 May 2013 Vincent Sanders wrote: The cocoa frontend currently has no maintainer and I am interested in hearing from any actual users to give an indication as to whether it is worth investing any additional resources on this platform. So any actual users or developers, please speak up now! I have NS installed on OS 10.7 Lion (Intel) not that I use it much. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Interaction between NetSurf and Organizer
Recently I've noticed strange things happening when running NetSurf (currently 3.1 #1108). When I load certain pages with a lot of graphics/images the computer starts bleeping and the Organizer icon starts alternating between black-on-cream and the reverse of that. One such page is http://classiccarmag.net/classic-cars-for-new-drivers/ I've recently upgraded to Organizer 2.20 which might be relevant. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: nbsp; Non-breaking space.
On 4 May 2013 Tim Hill wrote: Browsers know not to split a line at a non-breaking space, don't they? Except Netsurf? I have not reported this as a bug (yet) because I expect a crescendo of we know! Yes it's a long-standing bug. NS will break a line at any escaped character, tag or non-alphanumeric character regardless of whether it represents white space. There's no harm in raising another bug report though. You could try using nobr though I expect someone will say it's deprecated. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: nbsp; Non-breaking space.
On 4 May 2013 John Harrison wrote: Browsers know not to split a line at a non-breaking space, don't they? Except Netsurf? Yes it's a long-standing bug. I assume 'long standing' only relates to 3.x. 2.9 behaves correctly. I first reported it on 25th March 2006 (1458451 still open). More like 0.x! I wasn't aware that it ever worked correctly. However that report wasn't specific to nbsp;. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Squashed image problem
On 22 Apr 2013 Tim Hill wrote: I have reported this to the council but I won't hold my breath for a correction. Seems okay two days later, Monday. Yes, I've now had a message to say they've resized the images. The problem is that as soon as these images hove into view the page becomes incredibly slow and clunky to move around. ... Would it be possible to resize the images once when they are downloaded and then hold them at the required display size? I tend to agree but what if the page is zoomed? In that case the whole page is scaled up or down, not just specific images, but I don't know what approach is taken to that problem. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: [Bulk] Squashed image problem
On 21 Apr 2013 Brian Jordan wrote: In article b30c843f53.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: [Snip] The problem is that as soon as these images hove into view the page becomes incredibly slow and clunky to move around. I would hazard a guess that NS is continually struggling to resize the images as it tries to move them around. Almost certainly you hazard correctly. I have just done a Full save of the page and resized the offending images. On reloading, the page moves around and scrolls very smoothly. Would it be possible to resize the images once when they are downloaded and then hold them at the required display size? Apart from using Full save I can't think of another way and that's probably not what you want. I don't think there's anything I can do other than that. I was wondering whether there's a design reason why NS doesn't keep a copy of the resized image in its cache, which would save a lot of processing time in such circumstances. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: [Bulk] Squashed image problem
On 21 Apr 2013 Rob Kendrick wrote: On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:06:49AM +0100, Richard Porter wrote: I don't think there's anything I can do other than that. I was wondering whether there's a design reason why NS doesn't keep a copy of the resized image in its cache, which would save a lot of processing time in such circumstances. Choices - Cache - Enter suitably large number. Shoving 40MB in here makes the page scroll smoothly where with the default value it did not. I've tried 40MB but it doesn't make any difference. I did quit and restart NS in case that mattered, but as soon as I hit the large image files it was like scrolling through treacle. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Squashed image problem
I've encountered a minor irritation caused by a stupid web authoring mistake. The RBWM Recycling page at http://www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/wm_recycling.htm contains two images which are delivered at 2440 x 1479 px and displayed at 122 x 89 px - the files are 340 times the size they need to be! I have reported this to the council but I won't hold my breath for a correction. The problem is that as soon as these images hove into view the page becomes incredibly slow and clunky to move around. I would hazard a guess that NS is continually struggling to resize the images as it tries to move them around. Would it be possible to resize the images once when they are downloaded and then hold them at the required display size? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Line wrap
On 17 Apr 2013 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: I'm using 1048. The line wrapping is a little odd. For instance on a www page I have includes: The MOSFETs we are using in 2012 have a bmaximum/b Rsubds(on)/sub of around 6 milliohms. If width is such, Netsurf will break the line before the sub - effectively in the middle of a word. I've had a bug report out on this for years. It's always been a problem for as long as I can remember. NS will wrap lines at any tag or escaped character or possibly any non-alphanumeric character where there is no white space and no hyphen. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Line wrap
On 17 Apr 2013 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: Might it help if we users made a list of places where line-wrap can occur? Clearly at any white space. Which means any combination of Space, HT, LF, CR. Hyphens? Yes, except a hyphen immediately preceding a number i.e. a minus sign. A hyphenated word can be split after the hyphen, not before. Any other place? None that I can think of. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: copy and paste urls from webpage
On 26 Mar 2013 Tony Moore wrote: On 26 Mar 2013, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: On 26 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: Is there an easy way to select an url on a webpage in order to get it into the clipboard? No. I use Object Link Save Text and drag to !Edit on the icon bar, then copy from there or save the file to where I want it. Shift-adjust-click on a link allows its URL to be saved where you will. That's just a short cut for Object Link Save ANT URL It doesn't copy the URL to the clipboard. Incidentally Shift-Select-click = Object Link Download target -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC News websites
On 7 Mar 2013 Learning Partners wrote: As someone who requires a stable version I am still using 2.9. I worked round the problem by redirecting the BBC link to the mobile desktop page which gave access to standard BBC content. But now in their wisdom the BBC have deleted this so I am back to square one. Considering their clucking over the raspberry pi you would think no large organisation, different hands, no co-ordination! Richard, you could let them know that apparently very large numbers of the little wonders have been sold which might help us on legacy hardware! Yes, will do. I've just got another reply from the Beeb: Please note that the issue was once again escalated to Future Media and finding that your browser is NetSurf running under RISC OS 6.16 running on a StrongARM powered RiscPC informed that this is old technology and may explain why you are being directed to the mobile version of the website. Unfortunately, this browser is not supported by BBC iPlayer and therefore you are experiencing the problem. I realise this may be disappointing however I hope this helps to clarify the situation. I have already told them that the complaint did not relate to iPlayer which I don't expect to run on RISC OS, though I may have mentioned that it produces totally misleading error messages if you try. Richard -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC News websites
On 7 Mar 2013 Alan Calder wrote: Just tried using the BBC News link on Netsurf's home page (the out of the box version) NS 2.9. Works fine, taking me automatically to http://m.bbc.co.uk/news , which I assume to be the mobile version. Not pretty but it is usable. That is precisely the problem. We want the desktop version, not the mobile version. If I want m.bbc.co.uk I can request m.bbc.co.uk. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC News websites
On 27 Feb 2013 Martin Bazley wrote: If you're still using 2.9, you don't need to be told. Simply open WWW.NetSurf.Log in your computer's ScrapDir (note: this only works when NetSurf is *not* running) and it should be right there in the first few lines. Thanks for the information. I hadn't thought of looking there. I normally use a recent development version, currently #942, but that doesn't exhibit the redirect to mobile problem so I used 2.9 to illustrate it. My original complaint to the BBC was raised last November. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC News websites
On 15 Jan 2013 Michael Drake wrote: In article out-50f5c18e.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this workaround - a website deciding that everything running ARM must want the mobile version of a page is making a pretty big assumption I decided there was no good reason for leaking processor architecture information anyway. After a long wait I eventually got a response to my complaint. Well, the first one suggested a cookie problem, but having disabused them of that idea they sent this: We understand that you are still being directed to the mobile version of the BBC iPlayer site rather than the desktop version. If you can give us the name and version number of your web browser, your PCs operating system and if known, your useragent details we can investigate this further. The problem still affects version 2.9 if not the latest dev versions. Can you tell me what the useragent details are (or were)? Richard -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Failure to follow on-page links
On 26 Feb 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: I suspect that NS can't cope with local links in a scrolling pane with absolute positionning in CSS. NS does not do absolute positioning. Yes of course it does. The frames are located by absolute positioning, not tables. The page layout is OK but NS won't jump to on-page name anchors within the scrolling text. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
XSRF Attempt Detected!
I tried to report a bug on SourceForge and got the following response after submitting the form: XSRF Attempt Detected! What is an XSRF attempt? Using #856 on RO6.14. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Log-in problem
On 30 Jan 2013 John-Mark Bell wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 21:22 +, Richard Porter wrote: I log into my eBlah forum permanently using a cookie. Previously when I visited the forum I would be logged in automatically, but for the last couple of weeks or so I have had to log in every session. Not even my username is remembered. Could this have been caused by a change in NetSurf? It's impossible to say, given the information you've provided. Please set suppress_curl_debug to 0 in the Choices file, produce a suitable login failure, and submit a bug report, attaching the generated log. It could have been a cookie problem. I deleted the relevant cookies and started again. This morning I was logged in OK. I'll see how it goes. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Log-in problem
I log into my eBlah forum permanently using a cookie. Previously when I visited the forum I would be logged in automatically, but for the last couple of weeks or so I have had to log in every session. Not even my username is remembered. Could this have been caused by a change in NetSurf? The forum scripts have not changed. The only other possibility is a security change by the hosting company (eUKhost). Most of my hosting problems are caused by changes to ModSecurity settings. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Scroll wheel speed
On 22 Jan 2013 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: In article mpro.mgxcqe03fwazk01j8.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 20 Jan, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote in message 5310fde37bli...@torrens.org.uk: The main problem I find is not the speed, but the fact that there is a buffer somewhere that stores scroll clicks, so that scrolling continues after the wheel is stopped. That's in RISC OS, and happens when the app doesn't take scroll events as quickly as you produce them. See also scrolling via PageUp/Down. The effect seems much less now than of old. Presumably Netsurf flushes the buffer when it returns to look at the scroll wheel? That doesn't help either. It's particularly annoying with Edit when you have a cpu-intensive process running in background. Edit jumps one line every time it gets in. With NetSurf it's the opposite. I try turning the scroll wheel very slowly and nothing happens, then slightly faster and it jumps more than a page. BTW: there seems to be a change recently. I have a Macro inserter and previopusly User|iPassword|m would enter user and password as it should. Recent issues (815, 827 - not tried others) do not accept |i as a TAB. UserPassword is entered in the User box, |i is ignored. I've noticed that recently I've had to log into my forum every session. Previously I stayed logged in using a cookie. The forum scripts haven't changed. Could this be something in NetSurf or could it be caused by some security change on the server. Most of my hosting problems are traced to mod-security settings. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Scroll wheel speed
On most applications, including messenger Pro, the speed of the pointer in relation to the scroll wheel on the mouse is just about right, but on NetSurf it is much too fast so it's almost impossible to use on long web pages. Is there any way to adjust the scroll wheel speed for NetSurf independently of the global settings? Mouse movement itself is OK. RiscPC, OS 6.14, NS #822 -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Scroll wheel speed
On 19 Jan 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: Richard Porter wrote On most applications, including messenger Pro, the speed of the pointer in relation to the scroll wheel on the mouse is just about right, but on NetSurf it is much too fast so it's almost impossible to use on long web pages. Is there any way to adjust the scroll wheel speed for NetSurf independently of the global settings? Mouse movement itself is OK. RiscPC, OS 6.14, NS #822 Are you using HID? NetSurf scroll speed on Iyonix is fine with it. HID? Sorry that doesn't mean anything to me apart from 'high intensity discharge'. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Scroll wheel speed
On 19 Jan 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: Are you using HID? NetSurf scroll speed on Iyonix is fine with it. HID? Sorry that doesn't mean anything to me apart from 'high intensity discharge'. I bought it from RComp some years ago for 15 pounds here is an extract from the helptext:- ... !HID is the front-end for a number of modules that provide low-level support for USB devices in the HID Class (HID - Human Interface Devices). ... Thanks for the explanation. No I haven't got !HID. I have WindowScroll but not WimpScroll. I can set the scroll speed globally through !Configure but not for a single task. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC News websites
On 15 Jan 2013 David H Wild wrote: I see that we now have normal access to the BBC news websites. Whether this is something done by the Netsurf team or someone at the BBC taking note of complaints I am pleased to see it happen. I raised it as a technical problem twice, then as a complaint, and after they sent me an automatic response after ten days because they couldn't meet the target for replying I complained again. Looks like a few others did too! I still haven't had a reply. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Spam on bug tracker
On 5 Dec 2012 Harriet Bazley wrote: Is it just me, or is everyone who leaves bug reports getting a string of spam notifications? I haven't noticed any. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: suggestion: a Javascript warning
On 3 Dec 2012 Jim Nagel wrote: Would it be a big thing to provide a warning when a page contains Javascript that Netsurf cannot render? I suspect that it would! For a start it would have to work out whether there was an adequate noscript section. This would save my non-techie wife the frustration that a site doesn't work, and calling me down from upstairs to explain yet again. (And other new users, not just a particular wife.) Maybe a little box down in the bottom left near the Fetching, processing message. Or maybe red text appended to that message. Or even a message that comes up when she tries to click on an inoperative button. I have no idea of the programming effort this would entail, though I suspect any such sensitivity to particular areas of a page would itself depend on Javascript mouse-over. It usually tells you at the bottom of the window if a form cannot be submitted or if a button links to javascript. Of course I would love to have a mechanism to submit a form where there is no text input field or submit button. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC news site misbehaving.
On 26 Nov 2012 Brian Jordan wrote: In message 52f4c7c585t...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article 6162c5f452.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I have just downloaded #672 and ran it. I was horrified at the hash it made of my homepage, which is http://m.bbc.co.uk/news I'm not sure if I'm getting the same thing you are. I just get the mobile version of their site. Same here. It seems they've started sending the mobile version if the browser's useragent string contains armv5l, which NetSurf's does when running on the Iyonix hardware. Might be any arm in the useragent string. I am using a Virtual Acorn and RISC OS Select 6.20 and the useragent string contains armv4l - I see exactly the same as Peter. NetSurf on x86 linux gets the desktop site. I suggest we all send feedback to the BBC News site and if that doesn't work raise a complaint. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC news site misbehaving.
On 26 Nov 2012 Chris Gransden wrote: In article 7360d8f452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, I suggest we all send feedback to the BBC News site and if that doesn't work raise a complaint. If you use http://m.bbc.co.uk/home/desktop you'll get the correct page clicking on 'News'. It seems to have gone right again. Maybe they got the message! -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: BBC news site misbehaving.
On 26 Nov 2012 Chris Gransden wrote: In article 7360d8f452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, I suggest we all send feedback to the BBC News site and if that doesn't work raise a complaint. If you use http://m.bbc.co.uk/home/desktop you'll get the correct page clicking on 'News'. I spoke too soon. I think cookies are coming into play here. It was working OK, I deleted all the bbc cookies and it went wrong again, even for the main bbc web site. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Strange rendering problem
On 6 Nov 2012 Michael Drake wrote: In article ae81f0e952.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: Open the following web page: http://www.studiospares.com/search?q=tascamperpage=10ivtype=soundcards #596 on RO6.16 Fixed. Thanks. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Strange rendering problem
On 6 Nov 2012 Michael Drake wrote: In article ae81f0e952.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: Open the following web page: http://www.studiospares.com/search?q=tascamperpage=10ivtype=soundcards #596 on RO6.16 Fixed. I'm not sure if this is related, but now go to: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/06/credit_card_sized_mobile_made_for_pensioners/ The picture is just a large pink square with a red border. You can save the object as a jpeg which you can then view normally in !DPlngScan etc. This is in #606 - #596 gave me a white square. I'm not thinking of getting one nay time soon :) -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Strange rendering problem
On 6 Nov 2012 Richard Porter wrote: I'm not sure if this is related, but now go to: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/06/credit_card_sized_mobile_made_ for_pensioners/ The picture is just a large pink square with a red border. You can save the object as a jpeg which you can then view normally in !DPlngScan etc. This is in #606 - #596 gave me a white square. The Reg has now changed the image. It's a different file that displays properly, so it looks like the original one was broken. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Text box edit
On 26 Oct 2012 Jess Hampshire wrote: In message 52e4b8a23cli...@torrens.org.uk Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop into Netsurf. So do I. Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler? Where it is no use is when a text box appears ready filled. The sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what the editor sees it as.) Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea, especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window thereby losing the form that you were completing. I have raised bug reports in the dim and distant past but I guess there hasn't been anyone available to work on this area. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Text box edit
On 26 Oct 2012 Jess Hampshire wrote: In message e5e2bae452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea, especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window thereby losing the form that you were completing. It seems a bit of a waste of effort to make the editor really polished, when system editors already offer the required functionality. Yes...but. It seems a bit clumsy to have to use another application to edit the contents of a textarea, especially if you have to copy the existing text into the editor to start with. There would need to be a quick means of doing it. That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the option of trying another browser. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Word wrapping
NetSurf is still inclined to split words or expressions over two lines where there is no white space or hyphen. For example this heading, h3 class='post-title entry-title' itemprop='name' Local clothes collection service helps raise #163;250,000 for Air Ambulance /h3 resulted in the pound sign being displayed at the end of one line and the figures on the line below. The wrap was caused by an image on the right. I'm using NS #488. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
NS abort in El Reg
NS #488 repeatedly aborts when trying to reply to a comment in The Register. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: NS abort in El Reg
On 16 Oct 2012 Michael Drake wrote: In article 64a096df52.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: NS #488 repeatedly aborts when trying to reply to a comment in The Register. Log file please. Now uploaded with bug report. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: El Reg timeouts
On 12 Oct 2012 george greenfield wrote: No problem accessing El Reg Software http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/ and accessing http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/ballmer_faces_uphill_battle_on _windows_8 _/ but several attempts to navigate to 'Comments' produced a timeout each time. Selecting Menu-Navigate-Up one level also timed out. Quitting and reloading Netsurf produced the same result. Immediately quitting 3.0 and launching 2.9 worked fine. Could be a blip but I've had problems with this 3.0 build before on El Reg site. My system details: My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). NetSurf 3.0 #417.. Works OK on kinetic rpc/RO6.16/NS#417 so looks like emu problem. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Development builds available / Boot and System changes
On 11 Oct 2012 Chris Newman wrote: In article 2348b5dc52@nails.abbeypress.net, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: snip I suggest this simple textfile stating a latest change date because it's tedious to go through the process of merging !Boot and !System on three separate machines every time a new test build of Netsurf is installed, when in fact nothing has changed. Personally, I gave up constantly merging !Boot !System. I just rely on Netsurf complaining if something ain't right. Why not just take the additional resources out of the zip file altogether and either make them available separately or provide links to them elsewhere? Like Chris I only update !Boot and !System when I need to - if !NetSurf complains or if I'm notified via this list. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Development builds available / Boot and System changes
On 11 Oct 2012 Rob Kendrick wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:42:05AM +0100, Richard Porter wrote: Why not just take the additional resources out of the zip file altogether and either make them available separately or provide links to them elsewhere? Like Chris I only update !Boot and !System when I need to - if !NetSurf complains or if I'm notified via this list. Because we use the same build system and infrastructure to produce test builds as we do release builds. I'm not suggesting that release builds should be treated differently! -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 2 Oct 2012 Steve Joyce wrote: Tried just a few websites. Looks ok on Demon and Amazon. Amazon site appears to work ok. However, streetmap.co.uk produced all the furniture but no map. None of the controls appear to do anything. Accepts postcode entry but does not produce map. I always use oldmap.srf which works fine with NetSurf. However I normally use Fresco because it's much easier to save the page as a drawfile and delete all the clutter leaving just the grouped map sections (ungroup four times, deselect the map and delete the rest). Also it prints on the Calligraph. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 2 Oct 2012 Chris Newman wrote: In article 1a4c5dd852.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: On 2 Oct 2012 Steve Joyce wrote: Tried just a few websites. Looks ok on Demon and Amazon. Amazon site appears to work ok. However, streetmap.co.uk produced all the furniture but no map. None of the controls appear to do anything. Accepts postcode entry but does not produce map. I always use oldmap.srf Is that part of a URL? Can you clarify please. I tried www.oldmap.srf got a Could not resolve host message. No, I'm talking about streetmap.co.uk. You can still use the old format page layout. I have a form on my local home page like this (I've taken out the formatting): form action=http://www.streetmap.co.uk/oldsearch.srf?; name=f method=post input type=hidden value=oldmap name=mapp input type=hidden value=oldsearch name=searchp input type=text size=36 name=name input id=Submit1 type=submit value=Streetmap NAME=Submit1 input id=Radio2 type=radio CHECKED value=PostCode name=typePost Code input id=Radio3 type=radio value=PlaceName name=typeGB Place input id=Radio1 type=radio value=UKStreet name=typeUK Street input id=Radio8 type=radio value=LondonStreet name=typeLondon Street input id=Radio4 type=radio value=OSGrid name=typeOS grid (x,y) input id=Radio5 type=radio value=LRGrid name=typeLandranger input id=Radio6 type=radio value=LatLong name=typeLat/Long input id=Radio7 type=radio value=Telephone name=typeTel Code /form Clearly the search goes to oldsearch.srf but the map comes back as oldmap.srf with a few arguments. Sorry if this is getting off-topic. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 2 Oct 2012 David H Wild wrote: In article 20121002090730.gd4...@pepperfish.net, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: I think we're in the best position to judge how much work it is and when we should spend our copious free time on doing it. I'm talking about altering the readme file to reflect what is in the zip file and not complaining about faults in the program. I'm grateful to have the latest test versions. I'm not worried about the ReadMe file or the System and Boot files unless they change. In fact the additional resources could usefully be a separate download. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested
On 2 Oct 2012 Peter Young wrote: On 2 Oct 2012 Gavin Wraith ga...@wra1th.plus.com wrote: Platform: RISC OS using netsurf-2012-10-02_09-33-37/zip RO 5.18 on Iyonix Fault: NetSurf has to quit after rendering http://www.independent.co.uk/ Same here, ARMini, RISC OS 5.19 (16 May 2012). Same with RiscPC Kinetic 300, OS 6.16 (Segfault at 200118b0) I've saved the log file but I assume one of you will have submitted a bug report. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 1 Oct 2012 Michael Drake wrote: In article 8806ded752.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: We seem to have got the old Netsurf is running out of memory bug back again. I have 71MB of free memory. This is occurring in cPanel when I select a folder to password-protect. The problem is repeatable. The 23rd March build is fine. Can you reproduce it with a saved copy of the page? Yes. It fails with or without all the images and css. I've sent you the html source from a full save. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 1 Oct 2012 Bryn Evans wrote: In a mad moment - Richard Porter mumbled : Yes. It fails with or without all the images and css. I've sent you the html source from a full save. Tried the second Sept 30th release and seems ok - RiscPC, StrongArm, RO4·02, 130Mb memory. Subjective observation says very fast, especially with Images. Thanks!! I have a problem. I added the index of development releases to the hotlist, but now when I click on the entry it does nothing. It seems that NetSurf can't bookmark a directory index. I'll find the link as the original post won't have expired yet. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 1 Oct 2012 David H Wild wrote: I have had no crashes but there is a silly with Flickr which doesn't produce the individual images - although it does show the images on the index page. With the March version I could see the pictures but there was a message telling me to use Javascript for the best results. This message has now disappeared, but I'd rather have the pictures. Yes, I've noticed the same thing. Another curious thing happened. I have some forms on my local home page for Google, Wikipedia, eBay, etc. They all have text input fields which are the same length. I'd left out the type=text on one form but previously it made no difference so I hadn't noticed the error. With the new version that particular field came out half the width of the others. I've now corrected the page. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
On 29 Sep 2012 Michael Drake wrote: It would help us if people could test the new builds and let us know how you get on. A heading with font size=6 comes out massively smaller than it did in earlier versions. I haven't had any lockups yet. RO6.14 -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Where's the bug tracker?
On 5 May 2012 Peter Young wrote: I'm currently getting 500 - Internal Server Error. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=464312group_id=51719func=browse working fine here. Using r13571, RPC, RO6 Same release, RISC OS 5.19, ARMini. It's back again. Presumably they've fixed the fault. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Nervous tick
When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a pointing hand and an hour glass. http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-achieving-more/ This only happens when the top part of the page is displayed. If you scroll down it stops; if you scroll back up so that most of the image is shown it starts again. If you're working in another window over the top it stops. If you bring NetSurf to the top it resumes. What's going on? Currently using r13534. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Nervous tick
On 26 Apr 2012 Tony Moore wrote: On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a pointing hand and an hour glass. http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-ach ieving-more/ [snip] Currently using r13534. No problem here with r13571 Still doing it for me now with r13571 -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Nervous tick
On 26 Apr 2012 Michael Drake wrote: In article 52869aceb1dhw...@talktalk.net, David H Wild dhw...@talktalk.net wrote: It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the picture is on the screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display stops the flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering. I don't get this problem here (RO5). Richard, are you on RO6 too? Yes. (RPC with vPod) David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to? (NetSurf iconbar menu, Choices Cache, Size) 5MB. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Nervous tick
On 26 Apr 2012 Michael Drake wrote: In article 5286a279dbdhw...@talktalk.net, David H Wild dhw...@talktalk.net wrote: David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to? 6.4 meg. Could you retry after increasing it to 20 MB or so? No difference. Brian's fixed page is OK though. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: netsurf-users Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6
On 3 Apr 2012 Rob Kendrick wrote: Less of the jingoism, please. RISC OS is not immune to crap mail clients. Additionally, this list is for discussion of NetSurf, not list digests. Oops, sorry. I saw Messenger at the top and probably thought I was on the Messenger list (even so..., you might argue). RO does have some good email clients though. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: netsurf-users Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6
On 29 Mar 2012 Tricia Garner wrote: How can one lng email with all the replies in all the threads which people haven't snipped repeated again and again possibly be less annoying than 40 emails? Just curious. I quite agree. With 40 messages properly threaded it's easy just to ignore topics that you're not interested in. With digests you have to plough through everything, and then of course you have the problem of how to post a reply. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Netsurf Running Out of Memory
On 31 Dec 2011 Dave Symes wrote: Anyone else had the return of this old problem? Yes, I had it with anoter site - I don't use Lloyds TSB. It could have been amazon.co.uk. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
FGW web site has gone completely bananas
This has probably got more to do with First Group redesigning their web site than NetSurf, but http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/ fails to render anywhere close to what it should look like. Mind you the home page has 36 validation errors. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Missing spaces in links
On 13 Dec 2011 Brian Howlett wrote: Currently using r13267 (10 Dec 2011 01:15). I've seen this in a few web sites, just highlighted in a link posted in one of the CSA newsgroups to http://www.adventurecycling.org/ When you have a link such as this: Some textA HREF=http://someurl; TARGET=_blank Link text/A the space before Link text does not render in Netsurf, so you get the text before the link running straight in to the link text. I don't know if this is incorrect syntax - in most cases the space comes before the link and of course that renders OK. I've had a look and couldn't see it on the Bug Tracker - thought I'd raise it here first in case it isn't an actual bug... The same thing can happen following an image tag - the text will be hard up against the image even though there should be a space. On the other hand there are cases where there is no white space and NetSurf can wrap a word over two lines at a tag e.g. 1supst/sup can get split after the 1. I probably raised a bug report in the dim and distant past. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Register log-in problems
Anyone having problems logging into The Register from NS? I can log into my account and I can enter a password when posting a comment, but other logging in forms just return me to the same page with the password field empty. Also whan I'm logged in the Log out and Not you? Log in here links have a similarly ineffective result. It's not a Javascript problem because I can't see any, so is it an NS bug or a compatibility problem with the site? The pages concerned validate successfully. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Hit counter problem
I've just noticed that some of my hit counters aren't working on NetSurf although they do work on Oregano, Fresco, Firefox, etc. To take one example, the source code is as follows: img src=/cgi-sys/Count.cgi?df=ricp.dat|display=Counter|ft=6|md=6|frg b=100;139;216|dd=K alt=hit counter On NetSurf this returns an image containing the following message instead of the digits: Counter datafile /var/cpanel/Counters/ricp.dat%7Cdisplay=Counter%7Cft =6%7Cmd=6%7Cfrgb=100;139;216%7Cdd=K must be created in cPanel first! Obviously the whole request is getting to the server otherwise it couldn't display it in the returned image, so what is going wrong? The datafile path should only be as far as ricp.dat so is the request being sent in such a way that it thinks the whole lot is part of the filename? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Log file versus security requirements
On 26 Oct 2011 Dave Higton wrote: NetSurf crashed yesterday while I was doing my online banking. I would like to provide a crash log - but if I do, that would expose some of my banking credentials, wouldn't it, and therefore put me in breach of my terms of use of the bank's services? I don't think the log file contains any login details. I usually do a search in !Edit for my passwords and usernames if I've been accessing any secure sites but they don't appear. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: puzzling email
On 18 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: OK. But an html message or web page shouldn't contain BMP images. On what basis shouldn't it, please? It's the first time I've seen a BMP file employed in this way. If this is likely to become a more common procedure then surely NetSurf developers would wish to know, yes? I think that one's been answered for you. If you want to be sure that the majority of browsers can display your images stick to GIF, JPEG and PNG. I now realise that NetSurf does render BMPs so I don't know why it doesn't like yours. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: puzzling email
On 19 Oct 2011 Richard Porter wrote: On 18 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: OK. But an html message or web page shouldn't contain BMP images. On what basis shouldn't it, please? It's the first time I've seen a BMP file employed in this way. If this is likely to become a more common procedure then surely NetSurf developers would wish to know, yes? I think that one's been answered for you. If you want to be sure that the majority of browsers can display your images stick to GIF, JPEG and PNG. I now realise that NetSurf does render BMPs so I don't know why it doesn't like yours. I've now read the explanation! -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: puzzling email
On 17 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area, perhaps? Could that be because NetSurf is a web browser and isn't designed to handle Windows BMP files? Why were you trying to load it into NetSurf? Wouldn't an image processing app like !DPlngScan be more appropriate? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: puzzling email
On 17 Oct 2011 John-Mark Bell wrote: NetSurf has full support for BMP images. You're right it does! -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: actual updates inside !Boot and !System
On 3 Oct 2011 Jim Nagel wrote: As a frequent updater to the latest test versions of Netsurf, I've often wished the developers could supply an extra little Readme to say when these supporting items (Iconv, Unicode etc) are actually changed. Surely NetSurf should RMEnsure the minimum versions of the modules it needs in the !Run file? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: frames
On 3 Oct 2011 Roger Darlington wrote: I have downloaded the latest test build r12932, and find that it treats frames in an entirely different way to what it test builds did less than 3 months ago. Positioning the mouse pointer over any one frame and rotating the scroll wheel used to scroll only the frame that it was underneath it; now it scrolls the whole caboodle, and reveals a previously unseen blank frame at the bottom. (??) It also scrolls (using the slider bars) much less smoothly, and rather more jerkily. I am looking at: Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ wishlist It would be nice if it scrolled the frame first, and then scrolled the whole frameset when you hit the top or bottom of the frame. /wishlist Failing that, for this particular site I would prefer to be able to scroll the frame with the scroll wheel and use the right hand scroll bar for the whole caboodle. However, it's not a situation you come across very often these days. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: pre formatting broken
On 3 Oct 2011 cj wrote: In article 521c8afb8ft...@netsurf-browser.org, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: What URL are you testing with? http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0 Easiest to see the effect by looking at 8. Appendix near the bottom. The genre list should be one item per line. The table in section 4 seems to have gone awry too. NS seems to be getting confused by the wretched span tags. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Permajet website
On 15 Sep 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: Would some kind soul have a look at Permajet's website www.permajet.com please. Netsurf doesn't seem to be displaying the page tabs correctly. Are the tabs really supposed to be like that? No. On Safari 5.1 and Firefox 6.0 on Mac's Lion the upper row of tabs 'appear' to be behind the lower row. It all looks very sensible. Umm, that's what I concluded. I have noticed strange, similar 'overlaps' on other sites from time to time. Can this 'feature' be fixed, please? Mostly it doesn't matter very much but from time to time this 'feature' occludes pertinent, vital material. As this is still happening does it need formal reporting as a bug, now with r12793? I'm seeing this on r12793 and on some other sites too. Sometimes it just looks as though the tops of the letters on a line have been chopped off but I guess it's the same problem. Please raise a bug report. There are similar problems on the W3C validator home page (http://validator.w3.org/) where More Options obscures part of a text input field in two places. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Font size=+n
I've just noticed that the tag font size=+1 inside a heading which has a larger font size results in a smaller font, not a larger one. I suspect that the +/-whatever is interpretted as relative to the default paragraph font size not the prevailing header font size. This doesn't seem logical. What is the correct behaviour? -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Font size=+n
On 31 Aug 2011 Tim Hill wrote: In article bd98740b52.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: I've just noticed that the tag font size=+1 inside a heading which has a larger font size results in a smaller font, not a larger one. I suspect that the +/-whatever is interpretted as relative to the default paragraph font size not the prevailing header font size. This doesn't seem logical. What is the correct behaviour? On your part? Use CSS. ;-D Actually I didn't need the font tag at all. It was originally in a paragraph where it worked as intended. I guess you mean something like: h1This is to test font size=+1Font Size/font inside h1/h1 Correct. This renders the same in NetSurf, Firefox etc., and yes, the size=± is by default relative to the standard default size of '3', not any heading it may be within. Then there doesn't seem to be any point in size=±n. I hope you have www.w3schools.com in your bookmarks. :-) -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: H REF=www.etc
On 27 Aug 2011 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: I have just determined that Firefox behaves differently to Netsurf. FireFox takes H REF=www.etc to be a local link. It requires the full H REF=http://www.etc to work properly. Netsurf takes H REF=www.etc to refer to a external link. Which is correct? Firefox is correct because you might well have a subdirectory called www. On the other hand www.etc in an email message will ordinarily be an external link because a relative link is meaningless unless you happen to be discussing html. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Usenet problem: uk.rec.gardening
On 24 Aug 2011 Michael Bell wrote: For the last few days the only thing I have got on uk.rec.gardening is a repetition of a set of 5 postings about poppy seeds. Nothing else appears - and it is a busy group - and when I have posted a test message to it, it doesn't come back. Who do I complain to? Try the appropriate mailing list for your news client which looks like it's Messenger Pro. However it could just be a problem with the news feed. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: default form submission by keypress Return
On 11 May 2011 Mike Hobbs wrote: When page content includes something like this: form method=POST action=some.cgi ... input input type=submit value=Go ... input type=submit value=Clear /form and the user presses Return, every other browser will send the post request with the various arguments from the input elements (i.e. they default to doing the submit as if the user clicked the Go button), but NS seems to default to actioning the Clear button. If I change the Clear button to input type=button value=Clear then pressing Return sends the post request as if the Go button was clicked (same as other browsers). However, NS gives a Warning: button can not be activated on Clear. So it seems that NS can't have forms with more than one submit button. Normally pressing Return will only work if there's a text input field. If a form is submitted automatically when you select from a menu and has no submit button you're completely stuffed. However this sounds a bit like the problem I was having this morning with nPower's meter reading page. After entering your readings you get a form on which you can enter your details. On the same page there is a smaller form for logging in. If you type your password and press Return the page comes back with errors on all the fields in the main form because you haven't entered any data. If you click the Log in button you get logged in. For some reason Return is submitting the wrong form. It could be faulty html of course. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Speed
On 27 Apr 2011 Chris Young wrote: Images without sizes always seem to load stretched initially before they find their proper size. I can see that this will add in some additional processing for resizing images that don't need to be resized - probably causing some document reflow too. Is there any reason why they are loaded stretched instead of at their native size? It looks to me as though the images are stretched to fit the Alt text. I don't like it either, especially if the image dimensions are specified. It would be better to truncate or wrap the text if it doesn't fit. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Speed
On 27 Apr 2011 Michael Drake wrote: In article 2a18a0ca51.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: I don't like it either, especially if the image dimensions are specified. It would be better to truncate or wrap the text if it doesn't fit. Please try r12243. That is a massive improvement, and it seems a lot faster too. Thank you. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: NetSurf for Mac OS X
On 26 Apr 2011 Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: On 26 Apr at 20:55, Tricia nix...@waitrose.com wrote: On 22 Apr, in article mpro.lk2h4u1d300fd.pit...@pittdj.co.uk, David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote: [snip] And then I remembered I have another Mac, a Mac mini under the tele and that DID show the 'Base style sheet' bug. A crash log is at :- http://pittdj.co.uk/temp/MacNS.zip After an awful lot of mucking about the last thing I did was to run Maintenance.app set to clear the following :- Application Cache Launch Services dyld's shared cache Then NetSurf ran. I did that, NetSurf ran nicely, I visited a few sites and was well pleased. Next time I fired it up the 'Base style sheet failed to load' again, but after I selected Reopen from the report page it was fine. However, I tried it again a few minutes ago and selecting Reopen results in the whole lot disappearing. Curiously I cannot corroborate any of this. On my Mac, NetSurf is running and has always run well. No crashes seen. I just get the Base style sheet... error. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Invisible text
I've recently come across two examples where text is invisible because
it is the same colour as the background.
The first is http://www.robinhoodpub.co.uk/ then click on the Eat
icon. This loads menu1.htm into an iframe in a table cell.
The table has class Background2 which doesn't specify a colour:
.Background2 {
background-image: url(images/graphics/brickmakers.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: left top;
}
The main body is class Colour1 which is grey:
.Colour1 {
background-color: #99;
}
body class=Colour3
.Colour3 {
background-color: transparent;
}
Then the menu items are white e.g.:
p align=center class=Body1Homemade Soup of the Day
br/br
strongpound;4.95/strong/p
.Body1 {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color: #FF;
font-weight: normal;
}
The problem seems to be that NetSurf has given the iframe a white
background and ignored the transparency. The background image is
present surrounding the iframe.
The second example is different. In
http://www.bridgeaudio.co.uk/micsprices.htm .
This is crap html generated by Lotus Word Pro.
BODY BGCOLOR=orange
FONT FACE = Arial
FONT COLOR = Yellow
body bgcolor=Orange link=Orange vlink=Orange
...
TABLE ALIGN=CENTER BORDER =8 CELLSPACING=4 CELLPADDING=4 WIDTH=100%
TR ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=TOP
TD BGCOLOR = Yellow BH2AKG HANDHELD MICROPHONES/TD
/TABLE
Anyway there's a 'presentational hint' that the default text colour
should be yellow. The table cells have a background colour which is
also yellow. Other browsers default the text colour inside the table
cells to black so the text shows up.
Before I raise a bug report is this behaviour correct, incorrect or
unspecified?
--
Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/
mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Searching from the URL text input icon - RISC OS (was:Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search)
On 22 Apr 2011 Tim Hill wrote: In article out-4dade8b7.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find http://banana That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Some of the other frontends have a dedicated search bar alongside the URL bar, you might want to put a feature request in for one to be added to the RISC OS frontend. Um, no. I would rather the search from the RISC OS front end was performed from the single text input icon, as I think I said. Having a 'search box' alongside it is a waste of screen real-estate as it could be performed within existing furniture. I agree, but why not just put a search box on your local home page? My default startup page has links for all my usual sites, including formlets for logging in where possible (i.e. forms with just a submit button, the username and password fields being preset and hidden), and forms for Google, ebay and streetmap.co.uk. [snip] In one case nearly 50% of the screen was covered in add-on toolbars to MIE. :-o Doncha just love Windows' redundancy paradigm? Thanks heavens for f11. I've just had to set up a Windross laptop. Internet Exploder was so full of crap I didn't even bother to clean it up - I just used it to download Firefox. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: HSBC
On 25 Mar 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: Hi Peter Just to report that the HSBC on-line baking site appears not to work with NetSurf since it changed yesterday. Not a NetSurf bug, merely it looks as if it's stuffed with JavaScript. What a pain! I know, I know, Peter, The NatWest on-line baking site isn't working too well either! The GoneWest Bank site has always been pants. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: r11929 not downloading properly
On 9 Mar 2011 Dave Symes wrote: If only things were that simple... On this Select RO machine there are three MimeMap text files, now I wonder which one is being used? ...!Boot.Choices.Default.Internet.Files.MimeMap*** ...!Boot.Choices.Hardware.Disabled.Internet.Files.MimeMap ...!Boot.Choices.Users.Single.Internet.Files.MimeMap Configure Network MimeMap will open the right one. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Bug Out of date
On 8 Mar 2011 David J. Ruck wrote: On 08/03/2011 08:38, John-Mark Bell wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 08:30 +, David J. Ruck wrote: What is the reasoning behind marking a bug out of date? Particularly when it is easily reproducible with the last test build by one click on the given URL. Simple: it was 4 years old and I couldn't reproduce it (and still can't fwiw) Well maybe someone else can. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=464312aid=3201428g roup_id=51719 It takes a long time converting 1379990 bytes, but then expands the navigation menu. It also takes a lot of processing time when you close the window. However I don't see the problem reported on the tracker. (r11931, KRPC 300MHz, 128MB, OS 6.16) -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Interactive help
On 1 Mar 2011 Chris Newman wrote: In the Netsurf help documentation it says thus. Instant on-line help is available throughout the software, in the form of interactive help. This offers quick help information, in bullet point format, about the item under the pointer. To use interactive help, suitable software must be running. The program 'Help' is shipped with all RISC OS computers and it can be run from NetSurf's Help Interactive helpmenu item. !Help is run from the Apps window, not from NetSurf. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Playlists and mp3 files
What's the difficulty getting NS to play mp3 files and playlists? JMB has closed my feature request for m3u (MPEGURL) files to be passed on to an available player as happens automatically in Oregano and on other platforms. With NS you need to download the file, save it to disc and then run the application. With O1 I can click on an m3u link and listen to the audio. I only need to launch !Stream if I want to stop it playing. I guess most of the functionality is in RISC OS and not the browser. Richard -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Playlists and mp3 files
On 25 Feb 2011 Chris Young wrote: It should say on your closure notice why it has been closed, ... Not going to happen. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
