Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

2002-11-13 Thread Lux
Ste wrote:

Salve a tutti,

cerco consiglio dai piu'  anziani  per che release ( se fosse possibile 
mandrake meglio )optare nel resuscitare un pentium 200MHz con 32 Mb Ram e 4 
Mb di scheda video. Dovra' solo occuparsi di scaricare mail da un server e 
spedirla ( e nemmeno tanto traffico ) e dare la possibilita' di avere almeno 
una visione di massima di allegati .doc ( Argh ) e pdf. Cioe' un po' di 
grafica forse ci vuole.  Chi mi ha richiesto questo upgrade vorrebbe non 
avere i tempi di reazione Windows-like ( e gli piace pure Kmail). Siccome 
di release ce ne sono abbastanza ( pardon anche distribuzioni ) vorrei avere 
il vostro parere su quale potrei optare per valorizzare tale macchina. Se non 
ricordo male la mandrake e' forse un po'  avida  di risorse appena si parla 
di grafica... sarei disposto ( a malincuore ) a provare anche altro. Qualcuno 
mi ha sussurrato qualche vecchia debianma ovviamente non quale.
Se potete aiutarmi e non tacciarmi di OT ve ne saro' sempre grato.

Cordialmente.

Stefano.

Ciao Stefano,
Io uso un pentium pro 200 con 128Mb di ram, scheda video cirrus logic 
con 1Mb e Mandrake 8.2. Funziona a bomba! anche graficamente. I 32 Mb di 
ram che hai sono un po poche per KDE, potresti vedere di acquistarne un 
po da qualche rivenditore di usato a poco prezzo. Io ne ho comprato 64 
Mb al prezzo di 15 ¤ al Mark (fiera dell'usato elettronico) di Genova.

(OT) A proposito,  per chi volesse aumentare il proprio parco macchine, 
il Mark è una grande opportunità. Io ho acquistato il mio pc completo di 
tutto (Monitor, Tastiera, Mouse, Scheda di rete, due dischi SCSI da 2Gb 
estraibili, ecc) a soli 80 ¤! A genova ci sarà il 14-15 /12/2002 però so 
che è anche in altre città.


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Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

2002-11-13 Thread Andrea Celli
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:13:39 +0100
Ste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Salve a tutti,
 
 cerco consiglio dai piu'  anziani  per che release ( se fosse possibile 
 mandrake meglio )optare nel resuscitare un pentium 200MHz con 32 Mb Ram e 4 
 Mb di scheda video. Dovra' solo occuparsi di scaricare mail da un server e 
 spedirla ( e nemmeno tanto traffico ) e dare la possibilita' di avere almeno 
 una visione di massima di allegati .doc ( Argh ) e pdf

Più che un problema di distribuzione, direi che è un problema di interfaccia grafica.

L'importante è evitare KDE e GNOME, che mangiano una marea di RAM, e limitarsi ad un
gestore di finestre leggero.

Secondo problema è la visione di .pdf e .doc.
Per i primi non dovresti aver difficoltà a far girare xpdf e forse anche acroread.
Per i secondi, l'uso di Open/StarOffice potrebbe essere proibitivo.
Senz'altro puoi usare antiword, catword o simili per convertire i .doc
in qualcosa di più leggibile.

ciao, Andrea




Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

2002-11-13 Thread Andrea Celli
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:35:19 +0100
Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 (OT) A proposito,  per chi volesse aumentare il proprio parco macchine, 
 il Mark è una grande opportunità. Io ho acquistato il mio pc completo di 
 tutto (Monitor, Tastiera, Mouse, Scheda di rete, due dischi SCSI da 2Gb 
 estraibili, ecc) a soli 80 ¤! A genova ci sarà il 14-15 /12/2002 però so 
 che è anche in altre città.
 
 

Hai un sito web di riferimento?
Una grossolana ricerca con Google mi ha mandato un po' a verze :-)

Comunque, per le città più grandi, sono utili punti di riferimento
i giornalini dell'usato tipo Portaportese, SecondaMano, 
Io ci ho comprato diversa roba di cui sono soddisfatto.

ciao, Andrea

PS. dimenticavo
 www.portaportese.it






[newbie-it] Fiere elettronica (OT) [Was: Pentium 200MHz]

2002-11-13 Thread Mario Lodi Rizzini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To  : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc  : 
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:56:30 +0100
Subject : Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

 On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:35:19 +0100
 Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  (OT) A proposito,  per chi volesse aumentare il proprio parco macchine, 
  il Mark è una grande opportunità. Io ho acquistato il mio pc completo di 
  tutto (Monitor, Tastiera, Mouse, Scheda di rete, due dischi SCSI da 2Gb 
  estraibili, ecc) a soli 80 ¤! A genova ci sarà il 14-15 /12/2002 però so 
  che è anche in altre città.
  
  
 
 Hai un sito web di riferimento?
 Una grossolana ricerca con Google mi ha mandato un po' a verze :-)
 
 Comunque, per le città più grandi, sono utili punti di riferimento
 i giornalini dell'usato tipo Portaportese, SecondaMano, 
 Io ci ho comprato diversa roba di cui sono soddisfatto.
 
 ciao, Andrea
 
 PS. dimenticavo
  www.portaportese.it
 

A Forlì c'è il 7/8 dicembre 



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Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

2002-11-13 Thread Lux
Andrea Celli wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:35:19 +0100
Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



(OT) A proposito,  per chi volesse aumentare il proprio parco macchine, 
il Mark è una grande opportunità. Io ho acquistato il mio pc completo di 
tutto (Monitor, Tastiera, Mouse, Scheda di rete, due dischi SCSI da 2Gb 
estraibili, ecc) a soli 80 ¤! A genova ci sarà il 14-15 /12/2002 però so 
che è anche in altre città.




Hai un sito web di riferimento?



Purtroppo no, prova sui motori di ricerca con MARC (scritto con la C 
finale).

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Re: [newbie-it] Spedire posta con Mozilla [OT]

2002-11-13 Thread CyberPenguin
Grazie a Francesco  miKe per le delucidazioni ;-)
Sempre gradite :-)

Bye
Giovanni ;-)
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Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

2002-11-13 Thread CyberPenguin
Ste wrote:
...
 resuscitare un pentium 200MHz con 32 Mb Ram e 4 Mb di scheda
 video. Dovra' solo occuparsi di scaricare mail da un server e
 spedirla ( e nemmeno tanto traffico ) e dare la possibilita'
 di avere almeno una visione di massima di allegati .doc (Argh)
 e pdf. Cioe' un po' di grafica forse ci vuole.
...

Io ho installato la Mdk 8.1 su di un Pentium 200 con 64 Mb di ram ed una
scheda grafica Cirrus Logic da 2 Mb.
E' il mio pc di riserva e mi e' risultato essenziale nella gestione
della posta (tramite gui) quando ho avuto gravi problemi sulla
workstation dalla quale sto postando ora.
Kde, ovviamente, non e' un fulmine di guerra (neanche Gnome).
Ci vogliono una trentina di secondi per caricare la gui all'avvio del
sistema ma, poi, il tutto funziona anche se con qualche rallentamento
dovuto a frequenti swap su disco.
Senza pretese, mi sembra cmq funzionale.
Forse pero' su configurazioni hardware cosi' obsolete 32 Mb di ram di
differenza hanno il loro peso.
Che ti costa pero' tentare l'installazione? ;-)
Se lo fai pero' vedi di avere un lettore cd superiore ai 6x.
Con il mio vecchio masterizzatore 2-2-6 c'ho messo 1 e 40' per
installare la Mdk 8.1 :-(

Bye
Giovanni ;-)
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Re: [newbie-it] cartella home

2002-11-13 Thread Franco
 per quel che rigarda il fastidio dei .kde o .gnome direi che e'
 pressochè nullo  ed al limite si risolve con un'aggiustatina ai menù.

 direi che per questa domanda sia tutto 
 ciao
 francesco




Scusa se mi intrometto nel thread. Ho appena installato MDK 9.0 ed avrei
un gran piacere di mettere le mani nel menu KDE, come facevo con Windows.
Mi ritrovo ad esempio con un link ad acrobat reader senza alcuna icona e
non riesco a nemmeno a vederlo con menudrake, figuramoci a metterlo
sotto il folder publishing.
Potresti aiutarmi?
Franco






Re: [newbie-it] Slack

2002-11-13 Thread Fabio Manunza
Alle 08:10, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, Beppe ha scritto:
 scusate ma posso fare una domanda da profano? cos'ha di interessante la
 slack? mi sembra che venga considerata un punto di arrivo da molti ma a
 quanto ne so è la distro in cui ci sono meno tools grafici. Intendo, se
 invece di usare un tool grafico apro il terminale e lavoro da lì non è come
 usare slack? Il succo della mia domanda è (per dirla con parole pompose):
 c'è un momento della vita in cui si cambia filosofia e si decide che i
 tools grafici non li si vuole più perchè è tempo di sentire la macchina
 completamente in proprio potere, o ci sono vantaggi oggettivi nell'usare la
 slack rispetto ad altre distro?

Rimango dell'opinione che linux rimanga linux, indipendentemente dalla 
carrozzeria; quello che differenzia un utente dall'utonto è la consapevolezza 
che se vuole mettere a punto il suo sistema deve comunqueaprire il cofano del 
motore.
Continuando con le analogie, che tu abbia una Bentley superaccessoriata e 
bellissima, o una Ferrari spartana e velocissima, comunque quando la devi 
mettere a punto, la porti da un tizio in tuta sporco di grasso e con una 
chiave inglese in mano (almeno io faccio così con la mia Ferrari e la mia 
Bentley; con la Maserati no...)
Slack _impone_ una conoscenza del sistema per un suo corretto settaggio ed 
utilizzo, ma certamente mdk non te lo _impedisce_; il fatto che sia 
luccicante e coloratissima non fa di questa distribuzione un'emula diWin 
(almeno per adesso, e spero di non essere smentito...)
Vale.

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[newbie-it] curiosità

2002-11-13 Thread Daniele Micci
Ciao a tutti,
in cima al menù del KDE compaiono le applicazioni usate più di recente, o più 
spesso (secondo le scelte dell'utente). Queste informazioni devono essere 
contenute in qualche file, probabilmente nella cartella /home/utente. Ho dato 
un'occhiata in giro, ma non sono riuscito a trovarle. Qualcuno sa dove si 
trovino? Grazie...

Daniele






Re: [newbie-it] Slack

2002-11-13 Thread Andrea Celli
Mi attacco qui, perchè ho perso il post precedente

 Alle 08:10, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, Beppe ha scritto:
  scusate ma posso fare una domanda da profano? cos'ha di interessante la
  slack? mi sembra che venga considerata un punto di arrivo da molti ma a
  quanto ne so è la distro in cui ci sono meno tools grafici. Intendo, se
  invece di usare un tool grafico apro il terminale e lavoro da lì non è come
  usare slack? 

Quello che succede è che, per permettere gli automatismi dei tool grafici,
in Mandrake si sono apportate delle modifiche ad alcuni file di
configurazione. Poi, già dal momento dell'installazione vengono
fatte configurazioni, attivazioni, ... su cui non hai completo controllo.
Quindi, è un po' più difficile sostituirsi agli automatismi
che farne a meno fin dal principio.

Il succo della mia domanda è (per dirla con parole pompose):
  c'è un momento della vita in cui si cambia filosofia e si decide che i
  tools grafici non li si vuole più perchè è tempo di sentire la macchina
  completamente in proprio potere,

 .o ci sono vantaggi oggettivi nell'usare la
  slack rispetto ad altre distro?
 

E' un po' come gli abiti: se hai un buon sarto che te lo fa su misura
(a parte il costo) hai qualcosa che si adatta perfettamente a te,
se hai problemi particolari te li risolve.
D'altra parte un buon vestito preconfezionato, magari firmato,
va benissimo nel 99,999% dei casi e, spesso, meglio.
Chiedi ad un ragazzino se preferisce un jeans griffato  
o un paio di pantaloni confezionati a mano :-)


ciao, andrea




[newbie-it] sendmail

2002-11-13 Thread gigi pinna
Ciao a tutta la lista!

ho visto che in questi giorni si sta parlando parecchio di autenticazione by smtp.
Vorrei sapere come sarebbe meglio configurare sendmail per spedirmi lui la mia
posta e senza dover impazzire tutte le volte se decido di connettermi tramite un
altro provider di continuo (causa minor costo...).
In più volevo sapere che cosa dovrebbe cambiare se lo installo e lo uso in una
lan con un firewall che non fa passare i pacchetti udp e penso anche tcp (non
vorrei dire una vaccata ma in pratica posso usare solo web, ssh)
Grazie!__Ma quante ne sai? Mettiti alla prova con QuizShow!



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2002-11-13 Thread Fabrizio Leoncini

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Re: [newbie-it] cartella home

2002-11-13 Thread Emiliano La Licata


--  Messaggio inoltrato  --

Subject: Re: [newbie-it] cartella home
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:25:47 +0100
From: Emiliano La Licata [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Alle 11:12, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, Franco ha scritto:

avrei

 un gran piacere di mettere le mani nel menu KDE, come facevo con Windows.

Beh, forse sarebbe meglio tentare di dimenticare Windows, almeno quando si è
sotto linux e sforzarsi di entrare nelle logiche linux, molto più sottili e
complesse

 Mi ritrovo ad esempio con un link ad acrobat reader senza alcuna icona e

tasto destro del mouse sul link , poi proprietà e ti appare una bella
 cartella con una immagine gigante di una icona, nel tuo caso forse trovi una
 icone standard, clicca su e scegli l'icona che vuoi per il link

 non riesco a nemmeno a vederlo con menudrake, figuramoci a metterlo
 sotto il folder publishing.

Questo è molto strano perché con la 9.0 se installi qualcosa poi generalmente
trova subito spazio nel folder del menù.
Comunque andando su configura pannello, aggiungi pulsante dovresti potere
 fare ciò che tenti di fare...

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[newbie-it] rpmbin

2002-11-13 Thread masco
ciao a tutti,vorrei sapere come installare un pacchetto rpm.bin e 
precisamente il plugin java per mozilla potete aiutarmi
mario





[newbie-it] copie raw

2002-11-13 Thread giamgax
Buondì a tutti,
Qualcuno, tempo fa, ha scritto che è possibile fare copie raw di cd con gnome-toaster 
utilizzando ???. Mail-archive non mi aiuta :-(.
E' possibile avere qualche dritta in merito?
Grazie anticipate

A proposito, col gnometoaster sono riuscito anch'io a fare copie al volo di cd audio 
(e sottolineo audio) senza nemmeno emulare il lettore in scsi ;-), non mi accetta, 
però, la modalità dao, c'è modo di rimediare?

Gpaolo

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Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz

2002-11-13 Thread carmine de pasquale

- Original Message -
From: CyberPenguin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mdk ML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Pentium 200MHz


 Ste wrote:
 ...
   resuscitare un pentium 200MHz con 32 Mb Ram e 4 Mb di scheda
   video. Dovra' solo occuparsi di scaricare mail da un server e
   spedirla ( e nemmeno tanto traffico ) e dare la possibilita'
   di avere almeno una visione di massima di allegati .doc (Argh)
   e pdf. Cioe' un po' di grafica forse ci vuole.
 ...

 Io ho installato la Mdk 8.1 su di un Pentium 200 con 64 Mb di ram ed
una
 scheda grafica Cirrus Logic da 2 Mb.
 E' il mio pc di riserva e mi e' risultato essenziale nella gestione
 della posta (tramite gui) quando ho avuto gravi problemi sulla
 workstation dalla quale sto postando ora.
 Kde, ovviamente, non e' un fulmine di guerra (neanche Gnome).
 Ci vogliono una trentina di secondi per caricare la gui all'avvio del
 sistema ma, poi, il tutto funziona anche se con qualche rallentamento
 dovuto a frequenti swap su disco.
 Senza pretese, mi sembra cmq funzionale.
 Forse pero' su configurazioni hardware cosi' obsolete 32 Mb di ram di
 differenza hanno il loro peso.
 Che ti costa pero' tentare l'installazione? ;-)
 Se lo fai pero' vedi di avere un lettore cd superiore ai 6x.
 Con il mio vecchio masterizzatore 2-2-6 c'ho messo 1 e 40' per
 installare la Mdk 8.1 :-(

se poi non hai la possibilità di un cd 6x o superiore e sei in rete,
installa un desktop grafico, le utilities di gestione per gli rpm (una
ventina di minuti) e un client di rete e poi completi l'istallazione
usando come sorgenti di dati le rpm di linux su un pc più potente. la
rete funziona a 9x (12,5 MByte/s). su un pc simile (cyrix 686 con 32 M
di ram) ha funzionato. ti conviene comunque un'istallazione minima e se
possibile avere 2 HD, uno con la root e l'altro con swap (portato a 512)
e /home per limitare i rallentamenti.


 Bye
 Giovanni ;-)
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Re: [newbie-it] cartella home

2002-11-13 Thread Franco
Emiliano La Licata ha scritto:



Beh, forse sarebbe meglio tentare di dimenticare Windows, almeno quando si è
sotto linux e sforzarsi di entrare nelle logiche linux, molto più sottili e
complesse

... sono sicuro che per chi lo sa fare deve essere esaltante, e forse lo 
sara' anche per me, ma solo fra qualche tempo ;-)



Mi ritrovo ad esempio con un link ad acrobat reader senza alcuna icona e



tasto destro del mouse sul link , poi proprietà e ti appare una bella
 cartella con una immagine gigante di una icona, nel tuo caso forse trovi una
 icone standard, clicca su e scegli l'icona che vuoi per il link



non riesco a nemmeno a vederlo con menudrake, figuramoci a metterlo
sotto il folder publishing.



Questo è molto strano perché con la 9.0 se installi qualcosa poi generalmente
trova subito spazio nel folder del menù.
Comunque andando su configura pannello, aggiungi pulsante dovresti potere
 fare ciò che tenti di fare...


Temo di essermi espresso male, il di cui parlo non si trva sul desktop, 
ma nella barra K, cioe' il menu KDE, dove trovo sotto a: terminali 
una povera icona col punto interrogativo che mi rimanda ad Acrobat 
reader, installato in locale.
Menudrake, come accennavo, non ne riporta traccia.

Grazie ancora per qualsiasi consiglio
Franco





[newbie-it] ati radeon sapphire 7500

2002-11-13 Thread Augusto
Ciao a tutta la lista.
Ho installato la mdk 9.0 e ho un problema con la suddetta scheda
video.Questa è riconosciuta come radeon generica solo che se io
mantengo le scelte fatte dall' X server il monitor si spegne (display
not found) mentre tutto funziona se scelgo per la scheda video
fbdev .La versione 4.2 di Xfree supporta le ati 7500 e quindi mi
chiedo:il problema dipende dal fatto che la Sapphire non è un ati
originale o da qualcosa d'altro?Per quello che so le due schede si
differiscono per il fatto che la Sapphire ha prestazioni inferiori
(frequenza inferiore?).Ho scritto alla sapphire e mi hanno rimandato
al sito dell' Ati.
Qualcuno può aiutarmi?
Grazie.





Re: [newbie-it] rpmbin

2002-11-13 Thread Fabio Manunza
Alle 16:38, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, masco ha scritto:
 ciao a tutti,vorrei sapere come installare un pacchetto rpm.bin e
 precisamente il plugin java per mozilla potete aiutarmi
 mario

Io avevo scaricato i binari .tar.gz, ma presumo che a te non importi molto...
Comunque, non mi sembra un pacchetto rpm (prova per sicurezza a dare un file 
nomepacchetto e vedi un po' che ti dice).
Se, come presumo, sono dei binari precompilati, te la dovresti cavare 
semplicemente copiandoli nelle directory apposite.
Se invece è un rpm, allora dovrebbe fare tutto lui.
Verifica alla fine del processo la presenza in /mozilla/plugins del link 
simbolico alla libreria java.
Vale.

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Re: [newbie-it] Slack

2002-11-13 Thread Arwan
Alle 08:10, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, contorcendoti la mente su Re: 
[newbie-it] Slack, Beppe hai scritto: 

 scusate ma posso fare una domanda da profano? cos'ha di interessante la
 slack? 

Sinceramente non sapevo che la Slack avesse questa fama, io cercavo solo 
qualcosa di piu' personalizzato perche', ahime', con tutti i suoi automatismi 
la MDK e' un po' pesantuccia per il mio PC. Visto che mi e' capitato un Cd di 
installazione sotto mano, che ho spazio in abbondanza sul disco fisso e 
soprattutto che ho voglia di farmi del male l'ho provata,  e mi ha ammaliato, 
semplicemente mostrandosi un po' piu' leggera della MDK. Ma e' anche (imho, 
che sono agli inizi) piuttosto ostica.

-- 
Arwan





Re: [newbie-it] rpmbin

2002-11-13 Thread francesco.melo
Fabio Manunza wrote:


Alle 16:38, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, masco ha scritto:
 

ciao a tutti,vorrei sapere come installare un pacchetto rpm.bin e
precisamente il plugin java per mozilla potete aiutarmi
mario
   


Io avevo scaricato i binari .tar.gz, ma presumo che a te non importi molto...
Comunque, non mi sembra un pacchetto rpm (prova per sicurezza a dare un file 
nomepacchetto e vedi un po' che ti dice).
Se, come presumo, sono dei binari precompilati, te la dovresti cavare 
semplicemente copiandoli nelle directory apposite.
Se invece è un rpm, allora dovrebbe fare tutto lui.
Verifica alla fine del processo la presenza in /mozilla/plugins del link 
simbolico alla libreria java.
Vale.

 

rendi il bin eseguibile cambiando i permessi  ed aprilo da shell
leggerai tutta una pappardella di licenza che la sun vorrebbe che ci 
leggessimo
e poi ti crea un rpm ( l'altro  puoi buttarlo e tenere questo )  l'rpm 
lo puoi usare normalmente  ... ma vuoi installare solo il plug in o 
tutto java?
io ti ocnsiglio tutto java
sono molti mega ma poi ci fa andare sia il plugin che limewire

ciao
vete




Re: [newbie-it] MDK 9.0 nei negozi

2002-11-13 Thread Fabio Z.
Ciao,
scrivo per un rilevante problema tecnico... ;)
Qualcuno ha già trovato il PowerPack della nuova Mandrake in qualche 
negozio
di Roma? Io la sto cercando nei negozi di informatica e nelle librerie che
vendono software, ma ancora non ne ho trovato una copia... forse qualcuno è
stato più fortunato di me.
Grazie in anticipo per le eventuali risposte ed indicazioni!

Daniele
Nelle riviste puoi trovare la versione in tre dischetti mentre per la PP è 
iniziata la distribuzione il 7 novembre con precedenza a chi l'aveva già 
prenotata tramite MandrakeStore (come me ;)  ).


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[newbie-it] Men ( cartella home)

2002-11-13 Thread francesco.melo


 Original Message 
Subject: Menù ( cartella home)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:41:08 +0100
From: francesco.melo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]



il tool menudrake e' secondo me il peggiore di tutta la distribuzione 
insieme a quell'incasinato che dovrebbe settarti un firewall ed invece 
mi accende il forno , apre le finestre del salone e purtroppo tenta di 
chiudere tutte le porte ... cmq  io non sono quasi mai riuscito ad usare 
menudrake con soddisfazione. o spariscono  icone e me ne ritrovo altre 
che non voglio e che non ci sono etc etc...

cmq  nella tua home hai una cartella nascosta  che inizia come tante con 
un punto .kde
al suo interno trovi altre cartelle ed anche i menù delle varie 
aplicazioni io spesso ho risolto cancellando da li
altre volte aggiungendo a mano o spostando le applicazioni dove volevo 
io ...
non vorrei dire una fesseria ma dovrebbe esistere anche un menu 
update-menus  a volte funziona  a volte no :)
ah ...dienticavo  i menù  quelli che iniziano con mdk  non quelli 
applink  semplici ...trovi anche dove mettere le icone    


ciaooo
vete






Re: [newbie-it] grip

2002-11-13 Thread masco
Alle 19:43, mercoledì 13 novembre 2002, hai scritto:
 masco wrote:
 come posso riaprire un programma che è stato configurato male,nel caso
 specifico è stato selezionato un cdrom insistente cdrom3 adesso il
  programma non si apre più è possibile rimettere tutto a posto
 grazie
 mario

 grip avrà 10 settaggi in tuttocercati  .grip  ( e' un file di testo
 stavolta ) e prova ad editarlo
 la linea che ti interessa è una delle prime..altrimenit prima rinominalo
 in .gripold  e rifai i settaggi

 ciao
 vete
tutto bene..grazie mille
mario




[newbie-it] kmail

2002-11-13 Thread gigi pinna
volevo trasferire la mia rubrica di kmail su  un altro computer.
Il problema è che questa operazione la devo fare via ssh con un 56 k.
siccome non posso fare il backup di tutta la cartella home dato che tra file
nascosti e normali è troppo grande da spostare, volrvo spostare solo i file
relativi all'address book ma non li ho trovati (più semplicemente erano quelli
sbagliati!)
Qualcuno mi sa indicare più semplicemente quali sono i file incrimati?
uso la mdk 8.2 con il kde 2.2.2
grazie a chiunque mi possa aiutare!__Ma quante ne sai? Mettiti alla prova con QuizShow!



Re: [newbie] Configuring Hauppage Bt846KPF in MDK 9.0

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 00:35, Technoslick wrote:
 Someone posted to this listserv that they were using a Hauppage video
 capture card in Linux. I can't seem to find that posting so...I am asking
 for help from anyone, especially anyone using this card to capture analog
 video from a VHS-C camcorder...
 
 I have an older version (Bt848KPF) Hauppage video capture card in MDK 9.0.
 The card shows up in Hardware as a TVCard in MCC, and seems to be configured
 properly. I just can't figure out how to get any use out of it. XawTV will
 not even run. It hangs as it tries to load and then quits. I have tried as
 root and user. I have also tried a couple of other programs, but still no
 joy. I have used this card before in a Windows environment and already have
 experience in video capturing from my camcorder. It originally came with my
 U.S. Robotics BipPicture Webcam.  I think that my inexperience with Linux is
 killing me here.  :-(
 
 Any suggestions welcome!
 
 TIA
 
 T


I seem to remember finding a whole schmeer of pages dedicated to TV apps
for linux when I was mucking around in RH 7.2 with my 878TV card...can't
quite remember any of the main pages, but I did have to tweak some
things to get the XawTV working properly...after that, though, it did
work like a charm...have you tried digging through http://freshmeat.net
for any TV based linux applications? (I think that's where I found the
links mate)

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Wed Nov 13 18:55:00 EST 2002


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Re: [newbie] I'm getting peeved!

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 01:37, Alastair Scott wrote:
 As someone whose Lexmark printer has just run out of ink (and it's only
 about £30 more to get a decent new printer than replace the cartridges) I've
 been thinking about this.
 
 Realistically, the choice for a cheap inkjet running under Linux is between
 HP and Epson; Canon drivers are poor and Lexmark terrible or nonexistent.
 
 If Linux has 5 per cent of market share in OSs, I'd say that each of those
 manufacturers has less than 1 per cent Linux customers.
 
 Evidently HP (in particular) thinks that providing workable drivers for that
 fraction of users is worthwhile, but Lexmark (in particular) doesn't. I
 don't know, and will probably never know, the corporate motivations for
 these stances, but that they are so different is interesting.
 
 Alastair
In a corporate network environment, HP's are primarily used for
*NIX/linux boxes. This is from experience. Especially ink jet plotters.
Besides, HP printers are just damn cool, and never choke'n'puke like the
others.

Don't do Epson. They suck. And I sell 'em.

-- 
Wed Nov 13 18:55:00 EST 2002


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|   /  \ /| |'-.   |
|  .\__/ || |   |  |
|   _ /  `._ \|_|_.-'  |
|  | /  \__.`=._) (_   |kuhn media australia
|  |/ ._/  || |http://kma.0catch.com
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Re: [newbie] Gnome Wave Cleaner

2002-11-13 Thread Frans Ketelaars
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:35:56 +
Peter Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just made my first attempt at compiling and installing a package 
 (gwc-0.17-5) from source. Unfortunately I'm in trouble.
 
 The GWC README file lists FFTW and libsndfile as dependencies and I 
 downloaded these and they seem to have compiled and installed ok, after a 
 bit of confusion as to whether libsndfile should be in /usr/local/lib or 
 /usr/lib they seem alright.
 
 However when I come to ./configure gwc it complains with the error:-
 
 Could not find gnomeConf.sh file that  is generated  by gnome-libs 
 install
 
 I certainly have no gnomeConf.sh file and yet I do have 
 gnome-libs-1.4.2-1mdk installed. Has anyone got any pointers as to what is 
 wrong.
 
 TIA 
 Pete
 Artdnamurchan Scotland 

You have to install libgnome32-devel-1.4.2-1mdk.

HTH,

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Re: [newbie] Planning ahead (small piggyback)

2002-11-13 Thread Michael Adams
snip


 Whenever I've done installs this way, I've even re-named my /mnt/win_c
 partition (and occasionally even a /mnt/win_d) to /Windows and /Archive
 with no problems whatsoever. Then at least I can find those partitions
 quicker in Konqueror, and I don't have to wait for Konqueror to
 auto-mount my CDrom or Floppy drives each time I need access to the
 Windows or Archive partition. Actually, I just finished one of these types
 of installs this past weekend. Works like a charm.

 Have fun! (?)

 Lanman

snip

You have mounted them at root level? That would stop the 5 second disk 
shuffle pause nicely. Couldn't you edit an existing system with links in your 
/home/user/ that would work as quick?
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[newbie] swann USB webcam...

2002-11-13 Thread Franki
Hi Guys,

After much searching and bidding on ebay for a webcam and failing to get
anything at a decent price..

I found a webcam new that is far cheaper then what they were going for on
ebay..

http://www.swann.com.au/products/usb/versacam/versacam.htm

just wondering if this thing will work on linux???

I want to start writing linux drivers someday, but not just yet.. :-) so I'm
hoping it will work out of the box..

I want to buy 5 of them and setup a webcam security monitor for the house...
(as a programming project.)


anyone know of this thing??


rgds

Frank



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[newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Franki
Hi Guys,

This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they
had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and
email them about it.)

generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
start considing their lost market??

what do you guys think of this idea???


Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.


rgds

Frank



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Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Dimitris Ioannou
  13  2002 11:06, / Franki :

I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the products 
first. Which one of those are of common interest?



 Hi Guys,

 This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if
 they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their
 site and email them about it.)

 generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
 all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
 start considing their lost market??

 what do you guys think of this idea???


 Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
 happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.


 rgds

 Frank

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Re: [newbie] location of netscape/mozilla mail, address, bookmark files

2002-11-13 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 13 Nov 2002 3:35 am, Chris Edwards wrote:
 I just installed mozilla after having used netscape 7. I would like to
 uninstall/delete Netscape but want to ensure I don't delete my settings,
 bookmarks, address contacts, mail, mail settings.

 Where would these be kept?
 /usr/local/netscape and /usr/local/mozilla?

 Any suggestions?

 i686, Mandrake 9.0

Neither of those places. They will be in ~/.netscape  and will not be erased 
if you remove netscape

(~ = your home,  . = hidden )

derek



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Re: [newbie] Planning ahead (small piggyback)

2002-11-13 Thread Lanman
Yup. Don't see why not. But if your systems and users are trusted, it
shouldn't make any serious difference.

Lanman 

*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 13/11/2002 at 10:06 PM Michael Adams wrote:

snip


 Whenever I've done installs this way, I've even re-named my /mnt/win_c
 partition (and occasionally even a /mnt/win_d) to /Windows and /Archive
 with no problems whatsoever. Then at least I can find those partitions
 quicker in Konqueror, and I don't have to wait for Konqueror to
 auto-mount my CDrom or Floppy drives each time I need access to the
 Windows or Archive partition. Actually, I just finished one of these
types
 of installs this past weekend. Works like a charm.

 Have fun! (?)

 Lanman

snip

You have mounted them at root level? That would stop the 5 second disk 
shuffle pause nicely. Couldn't you edit an existing system with links in
your 
/home/user/ that would work as quick?
-- 
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Re: [newbie] Gnome Wave Cleaner

2002-11-13 Thread Len Lawrence
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:35:56 +
Peter Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just made my first attempt at compiling and installing a package 
 (gwc-0.17-5) from source. Unfortunately I'm in trouble.
 
 The GWC README file lists FFTW and libsndfile as dependencies and I 
 downloaded these and they seem to have compiled and installed ok, after a 
 bit of confusion as to whether libsndfile should be in /usr/local/lib or 
 /usr/lib they seem alright.
 
 However when I come to ./configure gwc it complains with the error:-
 
 Could not find gnomeConf.sh file that  is generated  by gnome-libs 
 install
 
 I certainly have no gnomeConf.sh file and yet I do have 
 gnome-libs-1.4.2-1mdk installed. Has anyone got any pointers as to what is 
 wrong.
 

No idea why this kind of thing happens but it is a common fault/problem.
One suggestion from previous posts is to reinstall gnome-libs from your
distribution disks.  In case it helps I am appending my gnomeConf.sh file
for Mandrake 8.2.  It goes in /usr/lib.

Good luck 
-- 
Len Lawrence





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Re: [newbie] location of netscape/mozilla mail, address, bookmarkfiles

2002-11-13 Thread robin
Chris Edwards wrote:

I just installed mozilla after having used netscape 7. I would like to 
uninstall/delete Netscape but want to ensure I don't delete my settings, 
bookmarks, address contacts, mail, mail settings.

Where would these be kept?
/usr/local/netscape and /usr/local/mozilla?

/home/chris/.netscape and /home/chris/.mozilla

Sir Robin


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They're part of everything now. They used to be boxes with
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Re: [newbie] RE: kiosk?

2002-11-13 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 12 Nov 2002 11:49 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Tuesday 12 Nov 2002 11:24 pm, Schwenk, Jeanie wrote:
  I'm not sure if a kiosk is what will solve my problem.  Advice would be
  very appreciated.
 
  Here's the problem:  I am putting a linux pc in our fab (semiconductor)
  as a test to prove to management that linux is a viable, inexpensive
  option to utilize in our manufacturing plant.  (verses new xterms at $6K
  or more a pop, new servers, or new windows pizza boxes).  I need to
  prevent the technicians from hacking the box, from surfing, from
  installing ... you name it.  They need to be able to run ONLY the
  guis/programs that allow manufacturing to continue smoothly.
 
  What is the best way to have the machine automatically boot into a window
  manager that has only a background menu pick that I can program?  It does
  not have to start any software upon restart but that would be a plus.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Jeanie

 Something like this ?
 http://www.oeone.com/products/desktop.html

 It uses Mozilla as a sort of centralised interface to apps. Works on RedHat
 and now also Mandrake.


 Alternatively you could just define user accounts which have a limited set
 of menu items, and no shell available.  If you modify the users 'PATH' to
 remove /usr/bin for example, then they will be unable to run any
 application other than ones you specifically put in their path by creating
 a symlink from the application to some directory in their PATH.

  Look at /etc/profile to see the PATH available to all users, and
 ~/.bash_profile to see how the PATH is modified for individual users.

 derek


If I can rubbish my own suggestion - Changing the Path on its own does not 
improve security since anyone who knows the 'long path' to an application can 
still run it.  But here are two more suggestions for 'locking it down.'

Change the permissions on /usr/bin  (and other directories containing apps) to 
750 root,admin   where admin is a group containing trusted users. This will 
prevent any untrusted user from executing any of those apps.  Then for any 
app you want available to all, make the permissions 755.

The next step in complexity is to use PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules). 
The best way to describe PAM is by example. halt is the name of the 
application to stop a computer. If you want to run it you execute
/usr/bin/halt,  but /usr/bin/halt is not actually the halt application. It is 
a symlink to another application called consolehelper.  When you want to run 
halt you first go to consolehelper which compares the name of the application 
it was called by (halt) with a list of files in /etc/pam.d  If there is a 
file in there of the same name, then the contents of that file are used to 
determine if the user making the request has sufficient rights. Looking at 
the contents of /etc/pam.d/halt shows us the tests performed.

These lines mean that it is OK for root to use halt, but other users have to 
pass a security test first. If the test is passed execution passes over to 
the halt command which is actually held in /sbin/halt

For a description of the Pam commands see
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/

As for Window Managers, you can use anything you like. With KDE for example 
you could modify all the Hot Keys to disable features like Alt+F2 (execute 
command). Using menudrake you can customise the menus, and apply them across 
all Window Managers, and stopping services like mgetty will disable console 
access ( Ctl+Alt+F1 etc) 

With browsers, you can configure konqueror for example to not show its menu 
bar, so depriving users of the chance to alter settings, and squid-guard can 
be used to block access to all internet sites other than work related ones to 
stop them surfing porn on the late shift.  

You could have endless fun with this project :)

derek





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[newbie] KDE KMail 1.4.3: Unknown Host Error Message - O.T.---0 5

2002-11-13 Thread Daniel P Wheeler
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Steve Jeppesen
 Sent: 12 November 2002 23:31
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE KMail 1.4.3: Unknown Host Error Message -
 O.T.


 Good Day Daniel,

 I do not know if I am the only one receiving this, but on every post you
 make to the list here, I get a message stating This messages asks for a
 return receipt. along with a button to send the receipt.

 Not too sure of your email program, but I am using Sylpheed 0.8.5claws.


Microsoft Outlook 2000.



 Is it possible to disable that feature in your email program?


Before I send messages to the newbie newsgroup, I disable the receipt
request in the mail program. (I didn't realise that it could be an
annoyance.)

In the subject field of your e-mail, what does the abbreviation O.T. stand
for?

Daniel


(the
 prompt I receive to send you a receipt that is)  Unless of coarse, you
 do want to receive a receipt or a notice that every (possibly) list
 memeber here received your post?  lol

 Anybody else receiving these prompts to return a receipt?



 On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:09:37 -
 Daniel P Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Linux Mandrake 9.0 (with Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk) was installed in
  an IBM compatible PC.
 
  In the KDE mail client KMail 1.4.3 (used in the K Desktop Environment
  3.0.3) an error message was produced when either an attempt to send
  mail or received mail was made. (An external MODEM--the 3Com
  USRobotics 56 K Professional Message Modem--was used on the first
  serial port.)
 
 
  In
 
  File, Check Mail
 
  an error message was produced:
 
  Error--KMail
 
  Unknown host pop.ntlworld.com.
 
 
  In
 
  File, Send Queued
 
  the following error message was displayed:
 
  Error--KMail
 
  Sending failed:
 
  Unknown host smtp.ntlworld.com
 
  The message will stay in
 the 'outbox' folder
  until you either fix the
  problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the
  'outbox' folder
 
  Note: Other messages will
 also be blocked by
  this message, as long as
  it is in the 'outbox' folder
 
  The following transport
 protocol was used:
 
  ntlworld.
 
 
  The KDE mail client: KMail 1.4.3 was configured as follows.
 
  Settings, Configure KMail, Network, Sending, General
 
  Name:ntlworld
  Host:  smtp.ntlworld.com
  Port:   25
 
  Settings, Configure KMail, Network, Receiving, General
 
  Name:ntlworld
  Login: danielp.wheeler
  Password: 
  Host:  pop.ntlworld.com
  Port:  110
 
 
  In the Linux Mandrake 9.0 (with Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk)
  shutting-down process the messages
 
  Shutting down NMB services [FAILED]
  Shutting down SMB services [FAILED]
 
  were produced.
 
 
  The Mandrake Linux 9.0 (with Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk) installation
  dialup options were:
 
  Connection name:ntlworld
  Phone number: 126308005190100
  Login ID:danielp.wheeler
  Password: 
  Authentication:  PAP
  Domain name:  ntlworld.com
  First DNS Server (optional):   194.168.4.100
  Second DNS Server (optional): 194.168.8.100.
 
  (PAP was the default. Other options were: terminal based, script based
  and CHAP.)
 
 
  In
 
  Networking, Remote access, KPP (Internet Dial-up Tool)
 
  the
 
  Login Script Debug Window
 
  displayed:
 
  ATZ~
  OK
  ATM0L0
  OK
  ATDT126308005190100~
  CONNECT 34666/ARQ.
 
 
  In
 
  Networking, Remote access, KPPP (Internet Dial-up Tool)
 
  the
 
  KPPP PPP log produced:
 
  pppd 2.4.1 started by danielpwheeler, uid 501
  using channel 2
  Using interface ppp0
  Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/tts/0
  sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0  magic 0xe5c792d7
  pccomp
  accomp]
  sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0  magic 0xe5c792d7
  pccomp
  accomp]
  Terminating on signal 15.
  sent [LCP TermReq id-0x2 User request]
  sent [LCP TermReq id-0x3 User request]
  Connection terminated
  Exit.
 
 
  In Windows XP Profession HyperTerminal 5.1 the following was displayed
 
  Ntlworld_Free MAN-CVX-1A
  login: 

[newbie] Moved CDROM

2002-11-13 Thread George Baker
Hi - I moved my CDROM from slave on IDE one to master on IDE two, in Linux
speak from hdb to hdc - I think. When I rebooted kduzu popped up and removed
the config file. everything is fine in file manager - I can access the CDROM
drive - but the problem is with KCD Player and Grip. Both can't access the
drive. I presume they are still trying to access /dev/hdb instead of
/dev/hdc. Where do I change these settings?

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RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Franki
well, if you guys give me suggestions, I'll knock up a web page with them
all on it, and email address's...

and we can keep a numbering system so we know how many emails each
manufacturer has received.

Lets start a movement.  :-)

good idea?

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Dimitris Ioannou
Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 6:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.


Óôéò Ôåô 13 Íïå 2002 11:06, ï/ç Franki Ýãñáøå:

I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the
products
first. Which one of those are of common interest?



 Hi Guys,

 This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if
 they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their
 site and email them about it.)

 generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
 all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
 start considing their lost market??

 what do you guys think of this idea???


 Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
 happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.


 rgds

 Frank

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RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Franki
my first response from a hardware manufacturer... This is a australian
company with overseas offices...
They go promptly into the Shame file.

rgds

Frank



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Hi Franki,
Thank you for your message. With reference to your message, please note that
we do not support the Linux operating system, even though our products MAY
work on it.

My advice to you is that if you want to try it, then go ahead, but please be
aware that we will not be able to answer any technical questions on it.



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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Franki
Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 5:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.


Hi Guys,

This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they
had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and
email them about it.)

generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
start considing their lost market??

what do you guys think of this idea???


Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.


rgds

Frank





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Re: [newbie] KDE KMail 1.4.3: Unknown Host Error Message - O.T.---0 5

2002-11-13 Thread Technoslick
OT == Off Topic

- Original Message -
From: Daniel P Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:42 AM
Subject: [newbie] KDE KMail 1.4.3: Unknown Host Error Message - O.T.---0 5


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Steve Jeppesen
 Sent: 12 November 2002 23:31
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE KMail 1.4.3: Unknown Host Error Message -
 O.T.


 Good Day Daniel,

 I do not know if I am the only one receiving this, but on every post you
 make to the list here, I get a message stating This messages asks for a
 return receipt. along with a button to send the receipt.

 Not too sure of your email program, but I am using Sylpheed 0.8.5claws.


Microsoft Outlook 2000.



 Is it possible to disable that feature in your email program?


Before I send messages to the newbie newsgroup, I disable the receipt
request in the mail program. (I didn't realise that it could be an
annoyance.)

In the subject field of your e-mail, what does the abbreviation O.T. stand
for?

Daniel


(the
 prompt I receive to send you a receipt that is)  Unless of coarse, you
 do want to receive a receipt or a notice that every (possibly) list
 memeber here received your post?  lol

 Anybody else receiving these prompts to return a receipt?



 On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:09:37 -
 Daniel P Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Linux Mandrake 9.0 (with Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk) was installed in
  an IBM compatible PC.
 
  In the KDE mail client KMail 1.4.3 (used in the K Desktop Environment
  3.0.3) an error message was produced when either an attempt to send
  mail or received mail was made. (An external MODEM--the 3Com
  USRobotics 56 K Professional Message Modem--was used on the first
  serial port.)
 
 
  In
 
  File, Check Mail
 
  an error message was produced:
 
  Error--KMail
 
  Unknown host pop.ntlworld.com.
 
 
  In
 
  File, Send Queued
 
  the following error message was displayed:
 
  Error--KMail
 
  Sending failed:
 
  Unknown host smtp.ntlworld.com
 
  The message will stay in
 the 'outbox' folder
  until you either fix the
  problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the
  'outbox' folder
 
  Note: Other messages will
 also be blocked by
  this message, as long as
  it is in the 'outbox' folder
 
  The following transport
 protocol was used:
 
  ntlworld.
 
 
  The KDE mail client: KMail 1.4.3 was configured as follows.
 
  Settings, Configure KMail, Network, Sending, General
 
  Name:ntlworld
  Host:  smtp.ntlworld.com
  Port:   25
 
  Settings, Configure KMail, Network, Receiving, General
 
  Name:ntlworld
  Login:danielp.wheeler
  Password: 
  Host:  pop.ntlworld.com
  Port:  110
 
 
  In the Linux Mandrake 9.0 (with Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk)
  shutting-down process the messages
 
  Shutting down NMB services [FAILED]
  Shutting down SMB services [FAILED]
 
  were produced.
 
 
  The Mandrake Linux 9.0 (with Linux kernel 2.4.19-16mdk) installation
  dialup options were:
 
  Connection name:ntlworld
  Phone number: 126308005190100
  Login ID:danielp.wheeler
  Password: 
  Authentication:  PAP
  Domain name:  ntlworld.com
  First DNS Server (optional):   194.168.4.100
  Second DNS Server (optional): 194.168.8.100.
 
  (PAP was the default. Other options were: terminal based, script based
  and CHAP.)
 
 
  In
 
  Networking, Remote access, KPP (Internet Dial-up Tool)
 
  the
 
  Login Script Debug Window
 
  displayed:
 
  ATZ~
  OK
  ATM0L0
  OK
  ATDT126308005190100~
  CONNECT 34666/ARQ.
 
 
  In
 
  Networking, Remote access, KPPP (Internet Dial-up Tool)
 
  the
 
  KPPP PPP log produced:
 
  pppd 2.4.1 started by danielpwheeler, uid 501
  using channel 2
  Using interface ppp0
  Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/tts/0
  sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0  magic 0xe5c792d7
  pccomp
  accomp]
  sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0  magic 0xe5c792d7
  pccomp
  accomp]
  Terminating on signal 15.
  sent [LCP TermReq id-0x2 User request]
  sent [LCP TermReq id-0x3 User request]
  Connection terminated
  Exit.
 
 
  In Windows XP Profession HyperTerminal 5.1 the following was displayed
 
  Ntlworld_Free MAN-CVX-1A
  login: danielp.wheeler
  password:
 
  Exiting shell, and starting PPP session.
 
 
  ~ }#À!}!}!} }8}!}$}%Ü}}} }*} } }%}}!)5«}'}}(}Vô~~ }#À!}!}}
  }8}!}$}%Ü}}}
  }*} } }%}}!)5«}'}}(}}f~~ }#À!}!}#} }8}!}$}%Ü}}} }*} }
  }%}}!)5«}'}}(
  }Õï~
 
  ~ }#À!}!}$} }8}!}$}%Ü}}} }*} } }%}}!)5«}'}}(}_J~~ }#À!}!}%}
  }8}!}$}%Ü}}}
  }*} } }%}}!)5«}'}}(}PÃ~~ }#À!}!}} }8}!}$}%Ü}}} }*} }
  }%}}!)5«}'}}(}
  }:Q~
  ~ }#À!}!}'} }8}!}$}%Ü}}} }*} } }%}}!)5«}'}}(}ÓØ~
 
  and then the transmission was 

RE: [linux] RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Richard Urwin
It wont achieve anything if we all concentrate on one manufacturer at a
time. People ignore obviously orchestrated assaults like that. In fact
it may annoy them and alienate them further.

Surely, it would be better for each individual to choose three products
a month at random.

And, of course, if something especially annoys you then be sure to let
them know that you'll be avoiding them in future.

--
Richard Urwin, Private
No 9000 series computer has ever made a mitsake or corrubiteddatatato.




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Franki
Sent: 13 November 2002 12:04
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [linux] RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.


well, if you guys give me suggestions, I'll knock up a web page with
them
all on it, and email address's...

and we can keep a numbering system so we know how many emails each
manufacturer has received.

Lets start a movement.  :-)

good idea?

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Dimitris Ioannou
Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 6:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.


  13  2002 11:06, / Franki :

I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the
products
first. Which one of those are of common interest?



 Hi Guys,

 This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking
if
 they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from
their
 site and email them about it.)

 generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if
we
 all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before
they
 start considing their lost market??

 what do you guys think of this idea???


 Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
 happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.


 rgds

 Frank

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Re: [newbie] Gnome Wave Cleaner

2002-11-13 Thread Aaron
Hi a thought, did you search google to see if someone made an rpm of it.
if they did try using urpmi if you have it configured correctly it will
try to find dependencies and install them, if it fails it will usually
give a list of the needed rpms. Which you can download or have it
download. I solved a lot of problems that way recently. 
lol
Aaron

On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 10:31, Frans Ketelaars wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:35:56 +
 Peter Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I just made my first attempt at compiling and installing a package 
  (gwc-0.17-5) from source. Unfortunately I'm in trouble.
  
  The GWC README file lists FFTW and libsndfile as dependencies and I 
  downloaded these and they seem to have compiled and installed ok, after a 
  bit of confusion as to whether libsndfile should be in /usr/local/lib or 
  /usr/lib they seem alright.
  
  However when I come to ./configure gwc it complains with the error:-
  
  Could not find gnomeConf.sh file that  is generated  by gnome-libs 
  install
  
  I certainly have no gnomeConf.sh file and yet I do have 
  gnome-libs-1.4.2-1mdk installed. Has anyone got any pointers as to what is 
  wrong.
  
  TIA 
  Pete
  Artdnamurchan   Scotland 
 
 You have to install libgnome32-devel-1.4.2-1mdk.
 
 HTH,
 
 -Frans
 
 
 

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Re: [newbie] Internet Connection

2002-11-13 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 13 Nov 2002 3:07 am, Miguel M wrote:
 Hey Everyone,

 Im having trouble connecting to the Internet with
 Mandrake  9.0 via my cable modem. I have be going at
 this for like a week now. Reading away at HOWTOS at
 the Linux Documentation project site and what not.
 Just about everything I could get my eyes on. I have
 like tripled check my network configuration and all
 the right numbers are in the right place. I don't
 understand whats going on. The only thing I think that
 could be messing it up is that I don't understand what
 they mean by host name. Could that be the problem?
 Thanks for your time. Any reply would be greatly
 appreciated. Thanks


 BTW, Im using a ethernet port thats built into the
 motherboard, could that be a factor as well?


Your Host name is the 'name' of your computer. You set it in
Mandrake ControlCentreNetworkConnection
go through the wizard and hostname is one of the options to set.
Use the format for example 'miguel.localdomain'   (The localdomain bit is 
important if you ever run a mail server)

*SOME* cable modem operators require that the Hostname should be the same as 
your account name with the ISP in which case there is a little trick to 
perform to fool it. (described here) 
http://www.club-nihil.net/mub/viewtopic.php?t=5820highlight=hostname


It is more likely however that you simply need to configure your Lan interface 
correctly. Who is the ISP? and how do you configure Windows to access the 
cable modem?  For example is DHCP enabled or disabled?

You should also check that Internet and network services are running in 
MandrakeControlCentreSystemServices

HTH

derek


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[newbie] Re: Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Miark
If enough people are interested, I wouldn't mind hosting a web page to 
keep track of it.

Miark



On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:03:39 +0800
Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well, if you guys give me suggestions, I'll knock up a web page with them
 all on it, and email address's...
 
 and we can keep a numbering system so we know how many emails each
 manufacturer has received.
 
 Lets start a movement.  :-)
 
 good idea?
 
 rgds
 
 Frank
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Dimitris Ioannou
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 6:05 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
 
 
 Óôéò Ôåô 13 Íïå 2002 11:06, ï/ç Franki Ýãñáøå:
 
 I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the
 products
 first. Which one of those are of common interest?
 
 
 
  Hi Guys,
 
  This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if
  they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their
  site and email them about it.)
 
  generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
  all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
  start considing their lost market??
 
  what do you guys think of this idea???
 
 
  Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
  happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.
 
 
  rgds
 
  Frank
 
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 Mandrake-Linux 9.0 (Dolphin)
 Registered Linux User 271321
 http://counter.li.org
 ##
 
 
 
 


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[newbie] warning on tcpdump and libcap

2002-11-13 Thread Ken Walker
warning on tcpdump and libcap

I've just recieved the following, don't know if its true !

Hi,

Apparently libpcap and tcpdump have been trojaned, in a similar way to
openssh earlier this year.  Information about how long this has been the
case is sketchy.  Trojaned versions appear to have made it out to a
number of mirrors.

Further details can be found at http://hlug.fscker.com (mirror
http://www2.def-con.org/mirror/hlug.fscker.com/ appears to work).

The tarballs available at www.tcpdump.org appear to still be trojaned.

Good sources:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/libpcap-0.7
.1.tar.gz
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/tcpdump-3.6
.2.tar.gz
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/tcpdump-3.7
.1.tar.gz

MD5 Sum 0597c23e3496a5c108097b2a0f1bd0c7  libpcap-0.7.1.tar.gz
MD5 Sum 6bc8da35f9eed4e675bfdf04ce312248  tcpdump-3.6.2.tar.gz
MD5 Sum 03e5eac68c65b7e6ce8da03b0b0b225e  tcpdump-3.7.1.tar.gz

Trojaned sources:
http://www.tcpdump.org/release/libpcap-0.7.1.tar.gz
http://www.tcpdump.org/release/tcpdump-3.6.2.tar.gz
http://www.tcpdump.org/release/tcpdump-3.7.1.tar.gz

MD5 Sum 73ba7af963aff7c9e23fa1308a793dca  libpcap-0.7.1.tar.gz
MD5 Sum 3a1c2dd3471486f9c7df87029bf2f1e9  tcpdump-3.6.2.tar.gz
MD5 Sum 3c410d8434e63fb3931fe77328e4dd88  tcpdump-3.7.1.tar.gz

The program connects to 212.146.0.34 (mars.raketti.net) on port 1963
when the configure script is run.  Sites with logs of network traffic
may wish to check for connections to this IP over recent days.

We would be interested in hearing about any machines found to be
compromised using this route.

Regards


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[newbie] KMail - Export

2002-11-13 Thread Guilherme Cirne
Hi All,

Is it possible to export e-mails from KMail to Outlook Express

TIA,
-- 
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Re: [newbie] galeon and mozilla not starting

2002-11-13 Thread Joe Braddock

---Original Message---
From: L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/12/02 07:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] galeon and mozilla not starting

 I am having mdk 9.0. Yesterday when I was downloading some file from 
sourceforge.net galeon crashed. Today i couldn't start galeon. I tried 
mozilla also. It also didn't start. Then i erased .galeon files and still no 
use. I rpm -e all mozilla and galeon rpms and reinstalled. Still galeon is 
not starting. Error is as follows even if I start in a console.
[lvgandhi@localhost .galeon]$ galeon

** ERROR **: First `engine' section must include a `stock' section.
aborting...
Aborted
 for mozilla it simply says aborted. 

Is there any way to make them work?
-- 

I had a similiar situation with Mozilla, where it would appear to start but then 
exited without any error messages. On of the files was corrupted under .mozilla/xyz 
(where xyz is the funcky directory Mozilla creates for your profile).  Unfortunately, 
I don't recall which one it was but found it by trial and error (renaming them one at 
a time).  A much easier way would be to create a new profile or rename .mozilla to 
something else and restart Mozilla and it will automatically create the new profile.

Joeb









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Re: [newbie] location of netscape/mozilla mail, address, bookmark files

2002-11-13 Thread Joe Braddock

---Original Message---
From: Chris Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/12/02 09:35 PM
To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] location of netscape/mozilla mail, address, bookmark files

 I just installed mozilla after having used netscape 7. I would like to 
uninstall/delete Netscape but want to ensure I don't delete my settings, 
bookmarks, address contacts, mail, mail settings.

Where would these be kept?
/usr/local/netscape and /usr/local/mozilla?

Any suggestions?

i686, Mandrake 9.0

-- 
Chris Edwards

Send email for alternate contact information
email | aim | icq | postal | cell | phone


Usually Netscape settings, etc. are located in your home directory in a directory 
named .netscape (and Mozilla's are in .mozilla).  Your mail folder would be there, 
too, unless you told it to put it somewhere else.

To be safe, you can rename the .netscape (mv .netscape .netscape-old) and then start 
Mozilla and see if things still work and you have the bookmarks and mail folders you 
expect.  If so, then you can delete the .netscape-old.

Joeb



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Re: [newbie] I'm getting peeved!

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 22:48, Todd Franklin wrote:

 You should look into getting one of those walmart Microtel machines if 
 you want something cheap.  What gets me is that alot of the reviewers 
 bash them because they're slow.  HELLO!?!  Look at the price!  Of course 
 they're not going to have the speed and performance of a 2GHz + 
 computer.  But if you want a plain old workstation for cheap... not to 
 mention a free OS, they can't be beat.
 More importantly, Walmart has snubbed their nose at Microsoft.  Why? 
  Because Walmart is one of the few companies that can't be bought by 
 Microsoft.  First, they don't rely on PC sales to keep them in business. 
  Second, they are BIGGER than Microsoft.  If Microsoft threatened to 
 pull their licenses because Walmart is selling PC's with alternative or 
 no OS on them, then Walmart can afford to give them the finger.
 What I like best about it though, is if Walmart is selling PC's with 
 Linux on them, then you know some slack-jawed yokel in Po-dunk, Arkansas 
 is using Linux right now!  And probably doesn't even know the difference!
 That's how the war will be won in the end I think.   ;-)
 
 Todd F.
 

I get a kick out of seeing the looks on a customers face when I tell
them a brand new PC desktop setup costs $1100AUD WITHOUT Microsoft
Windows 98SE or Microsoft WindowsXP - then $1600AUD for the same system
WITH either of those OS's...(I won't sell -inexpensive computers-
because I don't want to have them coming back for this or that - AND,
when I show them an MS system and a linux system side-by-side, the linux
system's speed always wins hands-down).

The majority of the public doesn't fully understand the market - and
that's because the market isn't being policed - it's a buyer beware
market.

There is no such thing as free software when you're talking about OEM
loads of OS and others. Gateway WON'T sell desktops without an OS
because then they'd not really make much off the system. Ditto with
other companies. Y'all remember the old ploy by Hewlett-Packard Comes
with $1500 of software free! - BS - complete BS.

Meanwhile, having yokels running LINUX is actually a good thing - as
I've stated before. If they've never run an OS before, this is a good
start for them. Doesn't matter if it's Lindows or any other flavor of
linux - but it's linux. Flood the market with it. Once people realize
that overall, they've less virus worries running linux, they're going
to dig on that anyways.

-- 
Thu Nov 14 07:00:00 EST 2002


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Pelorat sighed.
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There's nothing to it.  All you have to do is take a close look
at yourself and you will understand everyone else.  How would Seldon
have
worked out his Plan -- and I don't care how subtle his mathematics was
--
if he didn't understand people; and how could he have done that if
people
weren't easy to understand?  You show me someone who can't understand
people and I'll show you someone who has built up a false image of
himself
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Re: [newbie] I'm getting peeved!

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 02:26, Todd Slater wrote:
  the sooner they will take notice.
 
 Exactly. I checked out an offer from Gateway for a $399 computer. I went
 into a Gateway support chat session and asked if I could get a Gateway
 computer without an operating system. The support person said that no,
 Gateway can't sell a computer without an OS, they have an agreement with
 MS. Thank you very much, I said. 
 
 On exiting the chat, I was prompted to fill out a survey on the
 experience. Under additional comments, I asked, I wonder how many more
 computers Gateway could sell if it didn't force customers to pay the
 Microsoft tax?
 
 I'm sure Gateway has a beancounter that has figured out that they will
 make more money bending over for MS than they will selling OS-less
 systems. But I'm just as sure that as soon as the numbers change, so
 will the policy. Or, when the demand for OS-less computers is
 sufficient, Gateway will dump its agreement with MS.
 
 It felt good to say it, though :)
 
 Todd

BTW, in 2000, before I left Texas for Australia, I purchased a server
from Gateway - without the OS installed. They didn't have a whinge about
it at all. On the other hand, that is a SERVER and not a DESKTOP.
Servers don't really count in the desktop market - but I just wanted
you to know that...

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Re: [newbie] Downloading Quicktime Files

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 04:32, Jordan Elver wrote:
 Hi,
 This is a bit of a stupid question, but...how can I download quicktime movs 
 from apple.com/quicktime or wherever without a plugin. All I want is the 
 actual file, I don't want to stream it or anything.
 
 I tried looking at the HTML source, getting the src path and pasting into 
 wget. It goes to download, says it has finished and nothing is saved?
 
 Am I being stupid or what?
 
 Thanks for any help, Cheers,
 Jord
 -- 
 Jordan Elver
 http://www.jordanelver.co.uk
 Save it for my unauthorized autobiography. --- Larry Wall

Tis rather strange - and you've done a find or a locate on the
filename and that returned nothing as well?

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Re: [newbie] Compiling KDE apps

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 04:54, Jordan Elver wrote:
 Thanks,
 I'll try that. How do I upgrade autoconf and automake with urpmi?
 It says already installed, which it is I know :) But, how do I upgrade?
 
 Thanks,
 Jord

You can go to like http://www.icewalk.com - do a search for autoconf,
automake - download the tar.gz files. After you've gotten them, you can
proceed to do a compile/install on those - unless there are updated
packages for autoconf-2.54 and automake-2.54 - which I haven't seen as
of yet.

In order to compile them, you have to read the README file and the
INSTALL file that comes within the archive itself. Compiling and
installing are actually quite simple, but you're going to have to get
used to doing it from a term window - but it does make for good
practice!

If you want a structured list of how to compile, let me know.

If you get the files properly configured and compiled and installed, you
need to check in your /usr/bin to make sure that the soft-links point
to the correct versions of autoconf and automake (and all the other
associated binaries necessary for compiling)

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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed-Claws spell checking

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 06:26, Miark wrote:
 Someone told me Sylpheed Claws wouldn't perform spell checking
 without aspell 0.5. Well, I've got that now, but I still don't
 see any option for spell checking in Claws. What should I do?
 
 Miark
 

Use Evolution instead? (Only joking!)

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Re: [newbie]

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 06:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just installed Mandrake 9 over the weekend on my laptop. The installation went 
fine and had no problems. I was able to log into Mandrake and run programs. Now, I 
have an existing Windows XP Professional installation on the HD I wanted to keep, so 
I wanted to dual boot between them. I found an article on the Mandrake sitedescribing 
how to install Mandrake with an existing XP installation and dual boot. I followed 
the directions, created the 512Byte boot sector dump to a BIN file, and added the 
entry for this file in the BOOT.INI file. I was able to boot into Mandrake with the 
new BOOT.INI entry with no problem. I then wanted to make sure that I could also load 
into XP, since I that is where I have all of my data. All is working well.
 
 Well, this morning I wanted to boot into Mandrake by selecting the OS name in the 
list, and I get the following message:
 
 LILO - Keytable read/checksum error
 
 What does this mean? Does the effectively mean that I'm screwed? If so, then how 
should I have done the installation for dual boot? BTW, I did create a boot partition 
(7MB) for Linux. Also, I can boot off of my floppy disk I created during setup, and 
get access to my Linux install.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris Lynch
 Registered Linux Newbie (well, maybe not...)
 

What you're going to need to do is to get to a console either by using
your boot disk - or what have you - and at the console, logon as root,
and type lilo at the prompt. Then type reboot.

After that, you should not only be able to use the WindowsXP boot menu,
but have a Mandrake boot menu as well - so you can change your mind
before loading whichever OS you want.

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Re: [newbie] Moved CDROM

2002-11-13 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 06:03 am, you wrote:
 Hi - I moved my CDROM from slave on IDE one to master on IDE two, in Linux
 speak from hdb to hdc - I think. When I rebooted kduzu popped up and
 removed the config file. everything is fine in file manager - I can access
 the CDROM drive - but the problem is with KCD Player and Grip. Both can't
 access the drive. I presume they are still trying to access /dev/hdb
 instead of /dev/hdc. Where do I change these settings?

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I have a SCSI setup so its a bit different, but when I disabled supermount I 
had to relink my /dev/scd0 to both cdrom and dvd... (using the ln -s command)

You would have to use /dev/hdc, I'd imagine. (if you find any broken links 
involving /dev/hdb, you might want to dissolve those as well).

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Re: [newbie] Gnome Wave Cleaner

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 06:35, Peter Watson wrote:
 I just made my first attempt at compiling and installing a package 
 (gwc-0.17-5) from source. Unfortunately I'm in trouble.
 
 The GWC README file lists FFTW and libsndfile as dependencies and I 
 downloaded these and they seem to have compiled and installed ok, after a 
 bit of confusion as to whether libsndfile should be in /usr/local/lib or 
 /usr/lib they seem alright.
 
 However when I come to ./configure gwc it complains with the error:-
 
 Could not find gnomeConf.sh file that  is generated  by gnome-libs 
 install
 
 I certainly have no gnomeConf.sh file and yet I do have 
 gnome-libs-1.4.2-1mdk installed. Has anyone got any pointers as to what is 
 wrong.
 
 TIA 
 Pete
 Artdnamurchan Scotland 
 

You might want to manually edit the /etc/ld.so.conf file to point to
/usr/lib and /usr/local/lib, then re-run ldconfig - that will rebuild
the cache for your libs/includes and the likes. Do that then try to
reconfigure your apps - shouldn't have a prob after that - or at least
that's what we hope!

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Re: [newbie] CUPS Help

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 06:40, Tom wrote:
 I have searched the web, read CUPS documents, and still cannnot find the answer.  Or 
maybe I am over looking it somewhere. 
 I have a XEROX document centre machine that I am trying to print to.  In RH7.3 I set 
it up as a unix printer 204.xxx.xxx.xxx with que  name lp and it worked just fine as 
an lpr printer.  (NOT CUPS).
 
 Tried this in CUPS and it will not work on the Mandrake 9.0 machine.   Am I just 
ingnorant or do I need to be doing something else in CUPS?
 

Is CUPS running as a service on that machine? If the service isn't
running, then you're not going to be able to print mate.

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Re: [newbie] desktops changing :-/ (DMA?!)

2002-11-13 Thread Angus Auld

 - Original Message -
 From: Angus Auld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:14:49 -0300
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] desktops changing :-/
 
 
  Hi everyone, I am using Mdk 9.0  and KDE.  A curious thing just started happening, 
I used to be able to open a Konsole session on the same desktop as Konqueror, but 
now, when I try to do that I get switched to a new desktop when Konsole opens. This 
is really weird.I just tried desktops one through four, and it does the switch on 
#'s 1, 2,  4.not 3 :-/
  
  I tried the other terminals that I have installed (Eterm, RXvt, XTerm, GNOME 
Terminal), and they all seem to be happy to open on the same desktop that I am 
working in, just like Konsole used to.
  Konsole is my default terminal, and I would like to know how to correct this 
behaviour. I haven't altered any settings in Konsole.
  
  TIA's for any ideas.
  
 
  --Angus
 
 
 Just to clarify a bit...all Konsole sessions that I open, from any desktop, 
are being switched to desktop 3. Desktop 3 is the only one that Konsole will open in. 
 
 --Angus
 
*

I think I have found out what was causing the above mentioned erratic behaviour from 
Konsole. I also just experienced some mouse errors while trying to use Blackbox. This 
all started to occur just after I had anabled DMA for my hard drive...coincidence? 
I don't think so.

I have disabled DMA, and everything seems to be back to normal. I have DMA enabled in 
my winME system that I am dual-booting, and it doesn't seem to be causing undue 
difficulty there, (or is it?) :-/ Go figure.

I have learned something! That is always good!

--Angus

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Re: [newbie] Wireless

2002-11-13 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:56:29 +1100
Patrick Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Install the pcmcia-cs-x11 RPM and then type
  cardinfo  in a terminal. What do you see?
 
 Is this a package in 8.2 I can't seem to find it

whoops sorry. It is not in 8.2
In that case use cardctl from the pcmcia-cs RPM

cardctl config  and
cardctl ident

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Re: [newbie] Modem not responding

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 08:02, George Baker wrote:
 I'm using MDK 7.0 with an external Rockwell modem on serial A or Com 1.
 Using kppp if I query the modem the lights flash but then it says modem not
 responding. Does  not matter if I choose dev/modem or dev/ttys0. Either one
 the modem lights flash but same result modem not responding.
 Help please.
 

You should try forcing an init string for your modem like: AT F C1 D2
and then seeing if you can get a response. You're going to have to
poweroff/poweron the modem prior to testing this, though.

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[newbie] Sylpheed Claws

2002-11-13 Thread Anders Lind
Hello folks,

I want to give you my first impression of Sylpheed Claws, not only is it
much nicer looking then the normal Sylpheed but it has a feature that
I love which is the redirection function, it is just awsome.

Best Regards,
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Re: [newbie] Netscape 7 for linux

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
Just wanted to let y'all know that I've become very happy with the
latest from Netscape. Version 7 is working like a charm under both linux
and Winders - moreso than ever before - and I'm generally very critical
of browsers (hence the reason I don't use Konqueror or Mozilla!).

The speed overall has improved heaps - especially under linux. The
installation was straight forward and easy. Aside from the AIM/ICQ
account crap, it was a brainless install. (I use GAIM instead of all
that jazz, and KOPETE under KDE).

It might be worthwhile to check out - especially if you're a multimedia
fanatic that can't live life without FLASH and QUICKTIME stuff...
(They make porn in FLASH and QUICKTIME?) (Only joking)

Stephen
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Re: [newbie] I'm getting peeved!

2002-11-13 Thread Todd Franklin




I agree completely Stephen

Todd

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

  On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 22:48, Todd Franklin wrote:

  
  
You should look into getting one of those walmart Microtel machines if 
you want something cheap.  What gets me is that alot of the reviewers 
bash them because they're slow.  HELLO!?!  Look at the price!  Of course 
they're not going to have the speed and performance of a 2GHz + 
computer.  But if you want a plain old workstation for cheap... not to 
mention a free OS, they can't be beat.
More importantly, Walmart has snubbed their nose at Microsoft.  Why? 
 Because Walmart is one of the few companies that can't be bought by 
Microsoft.  First, they don't rely on PC sales to keep them in business. 
 Second, they are BIGGER than Microsoft.  If Microsoft threatened to 
pull their licenses because Walmart is selling PC's with alternative or 
no OS on them, then Walmart can afford to give them the finger.
What I like best about it though, is if Walmart is selling PC's with 
Linux on them, then you know some slack-jawed yokel in Po-dunk, Arkansas 
is using Linux right now!  And probably doesn't even know the difference!
That's how the war will be won in the end I think.   ;-)

Todd F.


  
  
I get a kick out of seeing the looks on a customers face when I tell
them a brand new PC desktop setup costs $1100AUD WITHOUT Microsoft
Windows 98SE or Microsoft WindowsXP - then $1600AUD for the same system
WITH either of those OS's...(I won't sell -inexpensive computers-
because I don't want to have them coming back for this or that - AND,
when I show them an MS system and a linux system side-by-side, the linux
system's speed always wins hands-down).

The majority of the public doesn't fully understand the market - and
that's because the market isn't being "policed" - it's a "buyer beware"
market.

There is no such thing as free software when you're talking about OEM
loads of OS and "others". Gateway WON'T sell "desktops" without an OS
because then they'd not really make much off the system. Ditto with
other companies. Y'all remember the old ploy by Hewlett-Packard "Comes
with $1500 of software free!" - BS - complete BS.

Meanwhile, having "yokels" running LINUX is actually a good thing - as
I've stated before. If they've never run an OS before, this is a good
start for them. Doesn't matter if it's Lindows or any other flavor of
linux - but it's linux. Flood the market with it. Once people realize
that overall, they've less "virus" worries running linux, they're going
to dig on that anyways.

  
  

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Re: [newbie] RE: kiosk?

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 10:24, Schwenk, Jeanie wrote:
 I'm not sure if a kiosk is what will solve my problem.  Advice would be very
 appreciated.
 
 Here's the problem:  I am putting a linux pc in our fab (semiconductor) as a
 test to prove to management that linux is a viable, inexpensive option to
 utilize in our manufacturing plant.  (verses new xterms at $6K or more a
 pop, new servers, or new windows pizza boxes).  I need to prevent the
 technicians from hacking the box, from surfing, from installing ... you name
 it.  They need to be able to run ONLY the guis/programs that allow
 manufacturing to continue smoothly.  
 
 What is the best way to have the machine automatically boot into a window
 manager that has only a background menu pick that I can program?  It does
 not have to start any software upon restart but that would be a plus.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Jeanie
 
What you can do is to setup an account on the linux box that is a normal
user - and have either BLACKBOX or WINDOWMAKER as the primary WM - setup
a menu of ONLY your preferred application and a LOGOFF option.

On the same token, you can have a customized GNOME2 or KDE3
desktop/menu system with only those applications, or even better, have a
WM setup to run the application directly after the logon (using either
scripts or what-have-you).

I would, overall, suggest BLACKBOX as it's a minimalistic wm and very
easy to edit the config files as the superuser - mere minutes and you
could have a very well done and very secure setup.

Stephen
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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed-Claws spell checking

2002-11-13 Thread Miark
If I do that, I may as well start using Outlook Express again ;-)

Miark



On 14 Nov 2002 07:29:34 +1100
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 06:26, Miark wrote:
  Someone told me Sylpheed Claws wouldn't perform spell checking
  without aspell 0.5. Well, I've got that now, but I still don't
  see any option for spell checking in Claws. What should I do?
  
  Miark
  
 
 Use Evolution instead? (Only joking!)
 
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Re: [newbie] Netscape 7 for linux

2002-11-13 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 03:55 pm, you wrote:

 It might be worthwhile to check out - especially if you're a multimedia
 fanatic that can't live life without FLASH and QUICKTIME stuff...
 (They make porn in FLASH and QUICKTIME?) (Only joking)

 Stephen

I'd be interested in trying Netscape again. Was it prepackaged (RPM?) or did 
you have to compile it?

I've been happy with Galeon here, and it plays both Quicktime and Flash.

Thanks for the posting!

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RE: [newbie] RE: kiosk?

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 11:10, Schwenk, Jeanie wrote:
 I wasn't sure what information to include in the initial email.  The
 software that would be running is industry specific.  Windows applications
 would be running via citrix server.  The main program would be a swing gui
 used for processing pods of wafers.   
 
 We have many creative individuals here who are bored as well.  Others are
 just hacks who live to be a pain in the patootie.  If games, browsers,
 music, videos etc. are able to be installed, management will NEVER allow
 linux in the fab.   Can't allow them command line access, period.  Right
 now, I have the only linux desktop in the entire company.  That has to
 change (yes, I'm a zealot).  Getting a linux pc the fab will make linux
 visible to all levels of management.  If it's visible and it costs them no
 money (I'm using a recycled PC), management will buy into the idea that
 linux is the way to go.   We know it is, but the phb's do not.   And I
 have to be able to show the same level of control and security our current
 options have. 
 
 So to top it off, whatever software might be available to help in this area
 has to be open source as there's no budget right now for me to do this.  But
 I am compelled to do it.   
 
 Jeanie

The only main issue that I would see with this environment would be to
get a Citrix client working on the linux desktop. I've found an
alternative at: http://sdsusa.com/jwt/ - they have a Citrix client for
linux.

I would strongly recommend using a very BARE window manager - not even
KDE or GNOME or ICEWM for this workstation.

As I've had to provide slave terms and dumb terms before, you will
have to lock down the workstation in such a manner that only you will be
able to make direct modifications to the system - since you're already
running linux on YOUR desktop, you can use VNC to administer this
workstation without ever leaving your own workstation.

As in Solaris boxes in a production environment, the menus for the
working account have only the necessary applications listed, along
with a logoff - and that's it.

You can use BLACKBOX, FLUXBOX, XFCE and Enlightenment. With
Enlightenment, there are a few themes that actually have desktop icons
- which would make it all the more easy for you to configure and lock
down - only a matter of editing text menus - literally. At least with
Enlightenment, you could dress up the desktop in such a manner as to
make it ascetically pleasing and elegant.

IMHO

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and
there were registers.  And DEC saw that they carried; and DEC separated
the
data from the instructions.  DEC called the data Stack, and the
instructions
they called Code.  And there was evening and there was morning, one
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Re: [newbie] avi-xmms in mdk 9.0

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 11:50, joe wrote:
 I have tried compiling this plugin from source with no luck. used:
 avixmms]# ./configure  make  make install
 
 error message:
 
 checking for sdl-config... no
 checking for SDL - version = 1.1.6... no
 *** The sdl-config script installed by SDL could not be found
 *** If SDL was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
 *** your path, or set the SDL_CONFIG environment variable to the
 *** full path to sdl-config.
 configure: error: *** SDL = 1.1.6 not installed - please install first
 ***
 I have libxmms1-1.2.7-13mdk.i586 libxmms1-devel-1.2.7-13mdk.i586
 installed which allowed me to get this far. Can anyone point me in the
 direction of the SDL? Here I was thinking that i had already installed
 them... Any other pointers would be welcome too.
 

You're going to need to install SDL and the SDL dev libs as well - once
you do that, retry the compile - you should be good to go from that
point. If you're still having problems, edit the /etc/ld.so.conf file
and include /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib - then run ldconfig - then try
to do the ./configure, make, make install again.


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Re: [newbie] galeon and mozilla not starting

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 12:13, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
 I am having mdk 9.0. Yesterday when I was downloading some file from 
 sourceforge.net galeon crashed. Today i couldn't start galeon. I tried 
 mozilla also. It also didn't start. Then i erased .galeon files and still no 
 use. I rpm -e all mozilla and galeon rpms and reinstalled. Still galeon is 
 not starting. Error is as follows even if I start in a console.
 [lvgandhi@localhost .galeon]$ galeon
 
 ** ERROR **: First `engine' section must include a `stock' section.
 aborting...
 Aborted
  for mozilla it simply says aborted. 
 
 Is there any way to make them work?
 -- 

Try deleting the .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2, .galeon, .mozilla - then logoff,
logon and try again. That error is from the GTK theme engine - so
something has definately hosed up your GTK profiles...

Stephen
1st floor, My House, My Town
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Re: [newbie] Internet Connection

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 14:07, Miguel M wrote:
 Hey Everyone,
 
 Im having trouble connecting to the Internet with
 Mandrake  9.0 via my cable modem. I have be going at
 this for like a week now. Reading away at HOWTOS at
 the Linux Documentation project site and what not.
 Just about everything I could get my eyes on. I have
 like tripled check my network configuration and all
 the right numbers are in the right place. I don't
 understand whats going on. The only thing I think that
 could be messing it up is that I don't understand what
 they mean by host name. Could that be the problem?
 Thanks for your time. Any reply would be greatly
 appreciated. Thanks
 
 
 BTW, Im using a ethernet port thats built into the
 motherboard, could that be a factor as well?
 
 =
 -Miguel
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Are you sure the drivers for the ethernet port on your motherboard are
being loaded and are working?

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Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:06, Franki wrote:
 Hi Guys,
 
 This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they
 had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and
 email them about it.)
 
 generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
 all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
 start considing their lost market??
 
 what do you guys think of this idea???
 
 
 Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
 happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.
 
 
 rgds
 
 Frank

Just keep in mind that those emails aren't going to even make it NEAR a
top-level executive - they're handled by support staff - and upper
management rarely, if ever, listens to support staff. Chances are that
you're only going to piss off some under-paid, under-trained monkey that
handles only email.

Just stating the reality.

Now, on the other hand, if you can obtain lists of top-level executives
in said company structures, that would be a different story. (Or, if you
want to get elaborate, hack their mail server and spam the hell out of
the entire staff - but I shan't go there - I've promised to be a nice
fella for a while).

Stephen

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[newbie]

2002-11-13 Thread Mike Norrish
Hi all!

We've got two machines in our office, both with identical configurations (at
end of post), which are both giving us grief...
First of all, on one machine, Mandrake won't even finish booting after
installation. Here's what happens:

1. Bootup freezes on Finding Module Dependencies

This happens every time, but I can Ctrl+C past it if I catch it in time. If
I DON'T catch it, then the cursor stops flashing (or vanishes), and the
bootup goes no further. I've heard that this can be caused by a miscompile
of the kernel, but since this is a fresh install I'm ruling that out.

2. Bootup freezes on assorted services

This is never constant, but the ones that freeze most often are Postfix, APM
and xinetd. Same as above, except for APM, which crashes faster than my
fingers can move to cancel it.

3. Screen goes blank partway through boot

If I manage to get past the above then the machine will occasionally go to a
blank screen and no further shortly afterwards. There are only a few things
loaded at this point- it's too early to be trying to load X.

4. X Loads, but freezes instantly

I've managed to get as far as X starting once and only once, and it froze as
soon as the mouse cursor appeared.
On the second machine none of the above occurs- it boots fine, and is able
to load X without any difficulties. However, the onboard Ethernet isn't
being detected, and attempts to install the drivers from the nVidia site
come up with Not the right architecture

Can anyone help with this?

CPU: AMD Athlon 1800XP
Motherboard: ASUS A7N266-VM (Socket A).
Sound: Realtek ALC650 (onboard)
Video: nVidia GeForce 2 (onboard)
Ethernet: RealTek 8100
RAM: 512mb PC2100 DDR
DD: Seagate Barricuda IV, 40GB
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 753s
Mouse: Genius Netscroll Optical PS2 Mouse
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[newbie] Mandrake 9 ASUS A7N266-VM Motherboard

2002-11-13 Thread Mike Norrish
Hi all!

We've got two machines in our office, both with identical configurations (at
end of post), which are both giving us grief...

First of all, on one machine, Mandrake won't even finish booting after
installation. Here's what happens:

1. Bootup freezes on Finding Module Dependencies

This happens every time, but I can Ctrl+C past it if I catch it in time. If
I DON'T catch it, then the cursor stops flashing (or vanishes), and the
bootup goes no further. I've heard that this can be caused by a miscompile
of the kernel, but since this is a fresh install I'm ruling that out.

2. Bootup freezes on assorted services

This is never constant, but the ones that freeze most often are Postfix, APM
and xinetd. Same as above, except for APM, which crashes faster than my
fingers can move to cancel it.

3. Screen goes blank partway through boot

If I manage to get past the above then the machine will occasionally go to a
blank screen and no further shortly afterwards. There are only a few things
loaded at this point- it's too early to be trying to load X.

4. X Loads, but freezes instantly

I've managed to get as far as X starting once and only once, and it froze as
soon as the mouse cursor appeared.

On the second machine none of the above occurs- it boots fine, and is able
to load X without any difficulties. However, the onboard Ethernet isn't
being detected, and attempts to install the drivers from the nVidia site
come up with Not the right architecture

Can anyone help with this?

CPU: AMD Athlon 1800XP
Motherboard: ASUS A7N266-VM (Socket A).
Sound: Realtek ALC650 (onboard)
Video: nVidia GeForce 2 (onboard)
Ethernet: RealTek 8100
RAM: 512mb PC2100 DDR
DD: Seagate Barricuda IV, 40GB
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 753s
Mouse: Genius Netscroll Optical PS2 Mouse
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Re: [newbie] WindowMaker Upgrade

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 00:53, Anders Lind wrote:
 Hello friends,
 
 I just upgarded my WindowMaker 0.80.0 to 0.80.2, not really for the securityissues 
that apparently are when it comes to 0.80.2, but mainly
 that it would be cool to run a new version, one thing that was strange was that when 
I restarted everything and opened up Sylpheed, the new Windowmaker had probably 
overwritten my configfile for Sylpheed and I had to make a new adressbook, luckily I 
did not have more then three easyaccessible adresses in it, but I also had to 
reinstall my emailaccounts in it. It might have to do with the fact that I compiled
 sylpheed-claws this morning before this, but I don't think it is.
 
 Does anyone know if my assumption is correct or if I did something wrong? I used 
rpm's for upgrading.
 
 /Anders
 
 
IMHO, I would have used the source tarballs to do the upgrade - not that
I don't always trust RPMS - oh wait, I don't always trust RPM's!

I still like having a bit more control over where an application is
going to live and what it's going to change - RPM's don't necessarily
give you that option.

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Re: [newbie] Sylpheed-Claws spell checking

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 08:09, Miark wrote:
 If I do that, I may as well start using Outlook Express again ;-)
 
 Miark
 

There's also BALSA - that's a sweet/fast email client - personally,
though, I'm stuck with Evolution because of some of the features it
has...and if it's configured properly, it ain't all that bad...but
that's my cuppa'tea...

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Re: [newbie] Netscape 7 for linux

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 20:10, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Wednesday 13 November 2002 03:55 pm, you wrote:
 
  It might be worthwhile to check out - especially if you're a multimedia
  fanatic that can't live life without FLASH and QUICKTIME stuff...
  (They make porn in FLASH and QUICKTIME?) (Only joking)
 
  Stephen
 
 I'd be interested in trying Netscape again. Was it prepackaged (RPM?) or did 
 you have to compile it?
 
 I've been happy with Galeon here, and it plays both Quicktime and Flash.
 
 Thanks for the posting!
 
I got mine from the APC mag (available only in Australia for obvious
reasons) - but the download ain't that bad if you've got broadband. I'm
rather impressed FINALLY with it's look/feel and it's speed. That is why
I initially STOPPED using Nutscrape in the beginning.

Stephen
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Re: [newbie] is this list appropriate for setting up a mail serveron 9.0?

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 04:53, Jordan R. Thompson wrote:
 Hi all,
 I want to be able to get/send mail through my ISP's pop/smtp servers and
 also be able to get/send mail through my machine.
 
 I have set everything up and actually had everything working.  I rebooted to
 make sure it was, and now I cannot send mail through my machine (it gets
 mail from my ISP and I can get mail from my server  I don't seem to be able
 to send mail to it and it does not seem to mail to my ISP.)
 
 thanks and sorry if this is not the right forum.
 
 Jordan
 
 
  Jordan R. Thompson
 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Web:http://www.Jordan.ThompCo.com
 Tel:(321) 777-8377
 Fax:(509) 267-5577

Are you using FETCHMAIL, or do you have another configuration? Postfix?
QMail? Sendmail?

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Re: [newbie] avi-xmms in mdk 9.0

2002-11-13 Thread joe
Stephen, thanks for your input, i managed to get the sdl devel libs
installed and got a little further..Now the configure is completing, and
the make is failing. I have put the entire output in this message in
hopes that someone might be able to help me decipher it.


This line caught my attention:checking for avifile-config... no 

Should i be looking for avifile libs or something?

I thought I had read on an XMMS page that this release of avi-xmms had
included a statically compiled avifile to deal with avifile problems. 
 


./configure  make  make install
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for c++... no
checking for g++... g++
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++  ) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C++... yes
checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking for Cygwin environment... no
checking for mingw32 environment... no
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to recognise dependant libraries... pass_all
checking for object suffix... o
checking for executable suffix... no
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output... ok
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for strip... strip
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... no
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes
checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries...
yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
creating libtool
checking for glib-config... /usr/bin/glib-config
checking for GLIB - version = 1.2.2... yes
checking for gtk-config... /usr/bin/gtk-config
checking for GTK - version = 1.2.2... yes
checking for xmms-config... /usr/bin/xmms-config
checking for mawk... no
checking for gawk... gawk
checking for XMMS - version = 1.2.3... yes
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config
checking for SDL - version = 1.1.6... yes
checking for avifile-config... no
checking for pthread_attr_init in -lpthread... yes
checking for pthread.h... yes
checking for playerwidget.h... no
checking for inline... inline
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for unsetenv... yes
checking whether gcc needs -traditional... no
checking for 8-bit clean memcmp... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking for getpagesize... yes
checking for working mmap... yes
checking return type of signal handlers... void
checking for vprintf... yes
checking for ftime... yes
checking for gettimeofday... yes
checking for strdup... yes
checking for strstr... yes
checking whether to build ac3 decoder module... no
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib/Makefile
creating lib/loader/Makefile
creating lib/videocodec/Makefile
creating lib/audiodecoder/Makefile
creating lib/videocodec/Makefile
creating lib/avifile/Makefile
creating lib/aviplay/Makefile
creating lib/audioencoder/Makefile
creating lib/audioencoder/lame3.70/Makefile
creating lib/audiodecoder/mpeg/Makefile
creating include/Makefile
creating include/wine/Makefile
creating lib/videocodec/DirectShow/Makefile
creating src/Makefile
creating config.h
cd .  autoheader
make  all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/joe/.xmms/Plugins/avixmms'
Making all in include
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/joe/.xmms/Plugins/avixmms/include'
Making all in wine
make[3]: Entering directory
`/home/joe/.xmms/Plugins/avixmms/include/wine'
cd ../..  automake --gnu 

Re: Re: [newbie] I'm getting peeved!

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 04:35, Jim Dawson wrote:
 Personally I'm convinced that the world would be a much happier place if Steve 
Balmer were to start drinking decaffinated coffee...
 
What about Balmer getting a job at either RedHat or Mandrake?

(grin)

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Re: [newbie] Gnome Wave Cleaner

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 04:51, Peter Watson wrote:

 Many thanks Frans and others who replied It is now working a treat.
 
 One other query arising is that in order to compile this program and its 
 dependencies I had to my numerous items from /usr/lib to /usr/local/lib 
 and various others from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib
 
 Is there some way of ensuring that all these items get installed in the 
 right place first time?
 
 TIA   Pete
 Ardnamurchan  Scotland
 

As long as your /etc/ld.so.conf contains those directories, and you've
run ldconf, you should be right.

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[newbie] Make command....

2002-11-13 Thread Radosaw Krl


Hello everyone , i don't understand where i have made a mistake , i want 
to use a new program , downloaded from internet , for example : game called
 
pacman or something else , it is not an installation version all i have to do  
 
is give two simple commands in shell first - ./configure and than make 
when I give make command my shell respond me that no makefiles was found 
 
but it is impossible i saw them they are in the right directory what to do ?

Could you help me ?


Ps: I want to thank all the people who had hellped me with  using console
  
   problem.



   
 Arvo.


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9 ASUS A7N266-VM Motherboard

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 09:07, Mike Norrish wrote:
 
 Can anyone help with this?
 
 CPU: AMD Athlon 1800XP
 Motherboard: ASUS A7N266-VM (Socket A).
 Sound: Realtek ALC650 (onboard)
 Video: nVidia GeForce 2 (onboard)
 Ethernet: RealTek 8100
 RAM: 512mb PC2100 DDR
 DD: Seagate Barricuda IV, 40GB
 Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 753s
 Mouse: Genius Netscroll Optical PS2 Mouse
 Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard 1.0a (PS2)
 

Is it safe to assume that BOTH machines have EXACTLY the same BIOS
settings?

I'd re-install - and make it very minimal with the least amount of
servers, services and the likes. See if you can get anywhere with that.
Also, choose a generic NVidia driver and do the GeForce drivers AFTER
you've successfully booted and configured the machines.

(I had the same problem with a test workstation here - unfortunately, RH
7.3 installed without a hitch, but Mandrake took three installs)

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|   _ /  `._ \|_|_.-'  |
|  | /  \__.`=._) (_   |kuhn media australia
|  |/ ._/  || |http://kma.0catch.com
|  |'.  `\ | | |stephen kuhn
|  ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|  '  `-`'   |linux user:267497


And the crowd was stilled.  One elderly man, wondering at the sudden
silence,
turned to the Child and asked him to repeat what he had said. 
Wide-eyed,
the Child raised his voice and said once again, Why, the Emperor has no
clothes!  He is naked!
-- The Emperor's New Clothes


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Re: [newbie] Netscape 7 for linux

2002-11-13 Thread Mike Graham
On Wednesday 13 November 2002 05:30 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.0/rpms/
this is a link to netscape 7.0 rpm from pclinuxonline.com, I use it everday 
for Mandrake 9.0
Mike

 On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 20:10, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  On Wednesday 13 November 2002 03:55 pm, you wrote:
   It might be worthwhile to check out - especially if you're a multimedia
   fanatic that can't live life without FLASH and QUICKTIME stuff...
   (They make porn in FLASH and QUICKTIME?) (Only joking)
  
   Stephen
 
  I'd be interested in trying Netscape again. Was it prepackaged (RPM?) or
  did you have to compile it?
 
  I've been happy with Galeon here, and it plays both Quicktime and Flash.
 
  Thanks for the posting!

 I got mine from the APC mag (available only in Australia for obvious
 reasons) - but the download ain't that bad if you've got broadband. I'm
 rather impressed FINALLY with it's look/feel and it's speed. That is why
 I initially STOPPED using Nutscrape in the beginning.

 Stephen



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RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9 ASUS A7N266-VM Motherboard

2002-11-13 Thread Mike Norrish

Regarding the BIOS settings, I think so- as far as I'm aware, at least
initially, the BIOS was untouched on both. As of yesterday, though, the BIOS
on the first machine has been upgraded to version 1004 of the firmware, with
no noticable change.

I'll try an absolute minimum install, and see where I get with that- thanks
for your help!


 Is it safe to assume that BOTH machines have EXACTLY the same BIOS
 settings?

 I'd re-install - and make it very minimal with the least amount of
 servers, services and the likes. See if you can get anywhere with that.
 Also, choose a generic NVidia driver and do the GeForce drivers AFTER
 you've successfully booted and configured the machines.

 (I had the same problem with a test workstation here - unfortunately, RH
 7.3 installed without a hitch, but Mandrake took three installs)

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 Thu Nov 14 10:15:00 EST 2002

 
 |____  |
 |   /  \ /| |'-.   |
 |  .\__/ || |   |  |
 |   _ /  `._ \|_|_.-'  |
 |  | /  \__.`=._) (_   |kuhn media australia
 |  |/ ._/  || |http://kma.0catch.com
 |  |'.  `\ | | |stephen kuhn
 |  ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  smk  ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389
 |  '  `-`'   |linux user:267497
 

 And the crowd was stilled.  One elderly man, wondering at the sudden
 silence,
 turned to the Child and asked him to repeat what he had said.
 Wide-eyed,
 the Child raised his voice and said once again, Why, the Emperor has no
 clothes!  He is naked!
   -- The Emperor's New Clothes





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Re: [newbie] avi-xmms in mdk 9.0

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 09:31, joe wrote:
 Stephen, thanks for your input, i managed to get the sdl devel libs
 installed and got a little further..Now the configure is completing, and
 the make is failing. I have put the entire output in this message in
 hopes that someone might be able to help me decipher it.
 
 
 This line caught my attention:checking for avifile-config... no 
 
 Should i be looking for avifile libs or something?
 
 I thought I had read on an XMMS page that this release of avi-xmms had
 included a statically compiled avifile to deal with avifile problems. 

The points at which you're starting to get the ERROR 1 are where we need
to start looking for the problems - is it safe to assume that you're
already running the make install as su ?

-- 
Thu Nov 14 10:25:00 EST 2002


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|   _ /  `._ \|_|_.-'  |
|  | /  \__.`=._) (_   |kuhn media australia
|  |/ ._/  || |http://kma.0catch.com
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Re: [newbie] location of netscape/mozilla mail, address, bookmarkfiles

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Edwards
Great! Thank you all. Worked fine.

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[newbie] cap on upload speed

2002-11-13 Thread Todd Slater
Does anybody know how to put a cap on upload speed (http-Apache)? I'd
prefer not to run ftp, but I've heard that you can set a cap with proftp.
Anybody have experience with that?

Thanks,
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Re: [newbie] Downloading Quicktime Files

2002-11-13 Thread Jordan Elver
Yep, I can find the file it downloads, but like Todd said, it only downloads a 
place holder image while the actual movie does not.

I'll try and find a fix,
Cheers,
Jord

On Wednesday 13 Nov 2002 8:15 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 04:32, Jordan Elver wrote:
  Hi,
  This is a bit of a stupid question, but...how can I download quicktime
  movs from apple.com/quicktime or wherever without a plugin. All I want is
  the actual file, I don't want to stream it or anything.
 
  I tried looking at the HTML source, getting the src path and pasting into
  wget. It goes to download, says it has finished and nothing is saved?
 
  Am I being stupid or what?
 
  Thanks for any help, Cheers,
  Jord
  --
  Jordan Elver
  http://www.jordanelver.co.uk
  Save it for my unauthorized autobiography. --- Larry Wall

 Tis rather strange - and you've done a find or a locate on the
 filename and that returned nothing as well?

-- 
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http://www.jordanelver.co.uk
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Re: [newbie] avi-xmms in mdk 9.0

2002-11-13 Thread joe
Stephen,

It is safe to assume i am doing this as su.

On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 16:29, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 09:31, joe wrote:
  Stephen, thanks for your input, i managed to get the sdl devel libs
  installed and got a little further..Now the configure is completing, and
  the make is failing. I have put the entire output in this message in
  hopes that someone might be able to help me decipher it.
  
  
  This line caught my attention:checking for avifile-config... no 
  
  Should i be looking for avifile libs or something?
  
  I thought I had read on an XMMS page that this release of avi-xmms had
  included a statically compiled avifile to deal with avifile problems. 
 
 The points at which you're starting to get the ERROR 1 are where we need
 to start looking for the problems - is it safe to assume that you're
 already running the make install as su ?
 
 -- 
 Thu Nov 14 10:25:00 EST 2002
 
 
 |____  |
 |   /  \ /| |'-.   |
 |  .\__/ || |   |  |
 |   _ /  `._ \|_|_.-'  |
 |  | /  \__.`=._) (_   |kuhn media australia
 |  |/ ._/  || |http://kma.0catch.com
 |  |'.  `\ | | |stephen kuhn
 |  ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  smk  ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389
 |  '  `-`'   |linux user:267497
 
 
 No skis take rocks like rental skis!
 
 
 

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[newbie] Konqueror won't work

2002-11-13 Thread - netmaniac -

I've updated my old 2.2 kde to 3.0.4. But, the Konqueror freezes when any 
message window appear. It also closes itself when I press return or the OK 
button in the google search bar or in the site www.google.com. Can anyone 
please tell me how can I fix this?

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Re: [newbie] CUPS Help

2002-11-13 Thread Technoslick
I like CUPS. It seems when I tried any of the other alternatives, set-up
didn't always work, or I couldn't control the look of my non-PS printers
through the print server as well. I think it's starnge that every time
that I access the CUPS server through MCC, it asks for Disk 1 to load
necessary files. Go figure! Still, it seems to work well for me. Glad it
worked for you, too.

T :-)

- Original Message -
From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] CUPS Help


Well it did not go as smooth as I thought, but I finally got it.  It first
asked me to insert Disk 1 and then said error downloading package.  It was
not searching the disk, it was connecting to an FTP site.  So I went to
Mandrake Update and found some Bugfixes for CUPS.  Installed them and then
the printer install worked.
I was impressed the way in installed the printer after I worked out the
above issue.

  Thanks for you help.

  Tom,
 
  CUPS, in my very limited opinion, the best for easy and control
  in setting up an LPD printer.
 
  1) Go into Mandrake Control Center | Hardware | Printer to set up
  CUPS. It may ask for CD #1 to load necessary files.
 
  2) Click on 'Expert Mode'. I could not set-up my print server in
  'Normal Mode'.
 
  3) Click on 'Add a printer'
 
  4) Click on 'Printer on remote lpd server'
 
  5) Fill out printer name and description. Location can be left blank.
 
  6) In 'Remote host name', you can either put in the IP address of the
  NIC in your printer, or the host name you wish to give it. Keep in
  mind that if you give the printer a host name (like 'xerox' or
  'printer'), you will need to add an entry in /etc/hosts with the name
  and IP address for name resolution over the network. In the second
  box, you would give the specific printer's name under the server. I
  think that you would leave this blank.
 
  7) Pick your printer driver.
 
  The rest is easy enough.
 
  Does this sound like what you did? If is what you did before, let me
  know. I am sure we can figure it out.
 
  The key is that the device is supported. What are called
  'all-in-wonder' printers are those that are multi-function units. I
  have an HP Laserjet 3100 that must have software support to drive it.
  I don't use it this way, but if I did want to use it as a printer in
  MDK 8.2 or 9.0, there's a specific software package that comes on the
  distro CDs for this model. I have no idea how the others are
  supported, or if they are. You got it to work once before. It should
  now. It wouldn't hurt to make sure that 'foomatic' is also loaded on
  your system, and when choosing the drivers for your printer, make sure
  to choose one that is a combination of 'CUPS' and 'foomatic'.
 
  Does this help you any?
 
  T
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Tom mailto:duffer;usa.net
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:newbie;linux-mandrake.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:40 PM
  Subject: [newbie] CUPS Help
 
  I have searched the web, read CUPS documents, and still cannnot find
  the answer.  Or maybe I am over looking it somewhere.
  I have a XEROX document centre machine that I am trying to print to.
  In RH7.3 I set it up as a unix printer 204.xxx.xxx.xxx with que  name
  lp and it worked just fine as an lpr printer.  (NOT CUPS).
 
  Tried this in CUPS and it will not work on the Mandrake 9.0 machine.
  Am I just ingnorant or do I need to be doing something else in CUPS?
 
 











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Re: [newbie] Netscape 7 for linux

2002-11-13 Thread Todd Slater
On 14 Nov 2002 07:55:30 +1100
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just wanted to let y'all know that I've become very happy with the
 latest from Netscape. Version 7 is working like a charm under both linux
 and Winders - moreso than ever before - and I'm generally very critical
 of browsers (hence the reason I don't use Konqueror or Mozilla!).

Just curious, what is it you don't like about Mozilla? After all, NS is
Moz in different clothes.

 The speed overall has improved heaps - especially under linux. The
 installation was straight forward and easy. Aside from the AIM/ICQ
 account crap, it was a brainless install. (I use GAIM instead of all
 that jazz, and KOPETE under KDE).
 
 It might be worthwhile to check out - especially if you're a multimedia
 fanatic that can't live life without FLASH and QUICKTIME stuff...
 (They make porn in FLASH and QUICKTIME?) (Only joking)

These work in Mozilla, too.

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Re: [newbie] Netscape 7 for linux

2002-11-13 Thread Greg
I really like Nescape 7  Its the best one they made yet 
Greg


Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 20:10, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Wednesday 13 November 2002 03:55 pm, you wrote:
 
  It might be worthwhile to check out - especially if you're a multimedia
  fanatic that can't live life without FLASH and QUICKTIME stuff...
  (They make porn in FLASH and QUICKTIME?) (Only joking)
 
  Stephen
 
 I'd be interested in trying Netscape again. Was it prepackaged (RPM?) or did 
 you have to compile it?
 
 I've been happy with Galeon here, and it plays both Quicktime and Flash.
 
 Thanks for the posting!
 
I got mine from the APC mag (available only in Australia for obvious
reasons) - but the download ain't that bad if you've got broadband. I'm
rather impressed FINALLY with it's look/feel and it's speed. That is why
I initially STOPPED using Nutscrape in the beginning.

Stephen
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|   /  \ /| |'-.   |
|  .\__/ || |   |  |
|   _ /  `._ \|_|_.-'  |
|  | /  \__.`=._) (_   |kuhn media australia
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[newbie] Freeswan installation with RPM error

2002-11-13 Thread Rob
Why is this happening and how can i fix this???


[rootrwideman2 mrboboo]# rpm -Uvh libpcap-0.6.2-3.2mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...###
[100%]
   1:libpcap###
[100%]
[rootrwideman2 mrboboo]# cd /root
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -Uvh freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...###
[100%]
   1:freeswan   ###
[100%]

/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.47980: /usr/share/rpm-helper/add-service: No such file or
directory
error: execution of %post scriptlet from freeswan-1.98b-1mdk failed, exit
status 127
[rootrwideman2 root]#
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -Uvh freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...###
[100%]
package freeswan-1.98b-1mdk is already installed
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -evh freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
rpm: --hash (-h) may only be specified during package installation
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -e freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
error: package freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm is not installed
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -e --force --nodeps freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
rpm: only installation, upgrading, rmsource and rmspec may be forced
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -e --force freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
rpm: only installation, upgrading, rmsource and rmspec may be forced
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -e --nodeps freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
error: package freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm is not installed
[rootrwideman2 root]# rpm -Uvh freeswan-1.98b-1mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...###
[100%]
package freeswan-1.98b-1mdk is already installed



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Re: [newbie] Internet Connection

2002-11-13 Thread Miguel M
 Your Host name is the 'name' of your computer. You
 set it in
 Mandrake ControlCentreNetworkConnection
 go through the wizard and hostname is one of the
 options to set.
 Use the format for example 'miguel.localdomain'  
 (The localdomain bit is 
 important if you ever run a mail server)
 
 *SOME* cable modem operators require that the
 Hostname should be the same as 
 your account name with the ISP in which case there
 is a little trick to 
 perform to fool it. (described here) 

http://www.club-nihil.net/mub/viewtopic.php?t=5820highlight=hostname
 
 
 It is more likely however that you simply need to
 configure your Lan interface 
 correctly. Who is the ISP? and how do you configure
 Windows to access the 
 cable modem?  For example is DHCP enabled or
 disabled?
 
 You should also check that Internet and network
 services are running in 
 MandrakeControlCentreSystemServices
 
 HTH
 
 derek
 

Thanks man. Sounds good to me. Im going to give it a try.

=
-Miguel
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[newbie] Audio Streaming

2002-11-13 Thread Terry Smith
Hi gang,

This should be an easy one for all you multimedia gurus :-)

I'd like to 'stream' a local radio station. In looking through my mail
archives I find that RealPlayer will work, Codeweaver's Crossover will
allow you to run RealPlayer Windows or Windows MediaPlayer.

Todd Slater mentioned Icecast a couple of months ago.

What's today's best solution for streaming radio?

TIA.

Terry Smith
Cape Cod USA



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RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.

2002-11-13 Thread Franki


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn

On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:06, Franki wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if
they
 had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site
and
 email them about it.)

 generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we
 all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they
 start considing their lost market??

 what do you guys think of this idea???


 Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to
 happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing.


 rgds

 Frank

Just keep in mind that those emails aren't going to even make it NEAR a
top-level executive - they're handled by support staff - and upper
management rarely, if ever, listens to support staff. Chances are that
you're only going to piss off some under-paid, under-trained monkey that
handles only email.

Just stating the reality.

Now, on the other hand, if you can obtain lists of top-level executives
in said company structures, that would be a different story. (Or, if you
want to get elaborate, hack their mail server and spam the hell out of
the entire staff - but I shan't go there - I've promised to be a nice
fella for a while).

Stephen



I beg to differ on that one..

I have worked for two of those win only companies..

in tech and sales.. and the management would find out if we got strange
requests...

if they get 50 linux driver requests a month.. the tech is gonna mention it
to his superviser, who will mention it to his
the some snooping boss will wander down and ask whats going on...

It does happen... I worked for CEA (UMAX) and OCEAN
(http://www.octek.com.hk/)
and I was surprised at how much management did listen if they thought that
there was an issue or money to be made

Ocean has well over 5000 employees and has offices all over the world.. they
are not a small company.
and yet me as a lacky sales and tech guy in Au had several meetings with the
manageing director when he was over.

it really is surprising

one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the
tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts
rolling..


rgds

Franki



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