date:20031024

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From: Luigi De Pascale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: [newbie-it] Modificare il menu di lilo

 Salve a tutti,
 uso come bootloader lilo.
 All'avvio mi compare la lista delle varie possibilita':
 linux
 linux-nonfb
 windows

 eccetera eccetera.

 Qualcuno sa come posso modificare l'ordine in cui compaiono?
 Purtroppo devo farlo da linea di comando, non dispongo di X.

edita lilo.conf

 Grazie
 Luigi

[newbie-it] Wine e fonts

2003-10-24 Thread emmepielle

ho istallato wine da pochissimo, mi stavo divertendo a testare istallando
programmi e tutto sembrava andare a meraviglia, o anche preso un po di
confidenza con il file ~/.wine/config. Ho tentato di fare il salto di
qualità istallando Cubase un sequencer che uso molto, proprio alla fine
mi è comparsa una finestrella che diceva che aggiornava il sistema ho
atteso per un bel po poi stufo lo killata, ma adesso i programmi,
istallati prima, si aprono con dei codici carattere strani tutte
[][][][][]. Vi invio il mio file config perchè non so proprio come
settare le font. Grazie

WINE REGISTRY Version 2
;; All keys relative to \\Machine\\Software\\Wine\\Wine\\Config

;; If you think it is necessary to show others your complete config for a
;; bug report, filter out empty lines and comments with
;; grep -v ^; ~/.wine/config | grep '.'
;;
;; MS-DOS drives configuration
;;
;; Each section has the following format:
;; [Drive X]
;; Path=xxx   (Unix path for drive root)
;; Type=xxx   (supported types are 'floppy', 'hd', 'cdrom' and 'network')
;; Label=xxx  (drive label, at most 11 characters)
;; Serial=xxx (serial number, 8 characters hexadecimal number)
;; Filesystem=xxx (supported types are 'msdos'/'dos'/'fat', 'win95'/'vfat', 'unix')
;;   This is the FS Wine is supposed to emulate on a certain
;;   directory structure.
;;   Recommended:
;;   - win95 for ext2fs, VFAT and FAT32
;;   - msdos for FAT16 (ugly, upgrading to VFAT driver strongly recommended)
;;   DON'T use unix unless you intend to port programs using Winelib !
;; Device=/dev/xx (only if you want to allow raw device access)
;;
;; If wine was built with autofs patch, you can add a line
;; Automount = 1
;; to sections with autofs_ed drives
;;
[Drive A]
Path = /mnt/floppy
Type = floppy
Label = Floppy
Filesystem = win95
Device = /dev/fd0

[Drive C]
Path = /home/michele/c
Type = hd
Label = Windows
Filesystem = win95

[Drive D]
Path = /mnt/cdrom
Type = cdrom
Label = CD-Rom
Filesystem = win95
; make sure that device is correct and has proper permissions !
Device = /dev/cdrom

[Drive E]
Path = /tmp
Type = hd
Label = Tmp Drive
Filesystem = win95

[Drive F]
Path = /home/michele
Type = network
Label = Home
Filesystem = win95

[wine]
Windows = c:\\windows
System = c:\\windows\\system
Temp = e:\\
Path = c:\\windows;c:\\windows\\system;e:\\;e:\\test;f:\\
Profile = c:\\windows\\Profiles\\Administrator
GraphicsDriver = x11drv
;ShowDirSymlinks = 1
;ShowDotFiles = 1
ShellLinker = wineshelllink

# wineconf

[Version]
; Windows version to imitate 
(win95,win98,winme,nt351,nt40,win2k,winxp,win20,win30,win31)
Windows = win95
; DOS version to imitate
;DOS = 6.22

; Be careful here, wrong DllOverrides settings have the potential
; to pretty much kill your setup.
[DllOverrides]
; some dlls you may want to change
oleaut32 = builtin, native
ole32= builtin, native
commdlg  = builtin, native
comdlg32 = builtin, native
shell= builtin, native
shell32  = builtin, native
shfolder = builtin, native
shlwapi  = builtin, native
shdocvw  = builtin, native
advapi32 = builtin, native
msvcrt   = native, builtin
mciavi.drv   = native, builtin
mcianim.drv  = native, builtin
; you can specify applications too
; this one will apply for all notepad.exe
;*notepad.exe = native, builtin
; this one will apply only for a particular file
;C:\\windows\\regedit.exe = native, builtin
; default for all other dlls
* = builtin, native

[x11drv]
; Number of colors to allocate from the system palette
AllocSystemColors = 100
; Use a private color map
PrivateColorMap = N
; Favor correctness over speed in some graphics operations
PerfectGraphics = N
; Color depth to use on multi-depth screens
;;ScreenDepth = 16
; Name of X11 display to use
;;Display = :0.0
; Allow the window manager to manage created windows
Managed = Y
; Use a desktop window of 640x480 for Wine
;Desktop = 640x480
; Use XFree86 DGA extension if present
; (make sure /dev/mem is accessible by you !)
UseDGA = Y
; Use XVidMode extension if present
UseXVidMode = Y
; Use the take focus protocol
UseTakeFocus = Y
; Enable DirectX mouse grab
DXGrab = N
; Create the desktop window with a double-buffered visual
; (useful to play OpenGL games)
DesktopDoubleBuffered = N
; Run in synchronous mode (useful for debugging X11 problems)
;;Synchronous = Y
;
; Use the Render extension to render client side fonts (default Y)
;;ClientSideWithRender = Y
; Fallback on X core requests to render client side fonts (default Y)
;;ClientSideWithCore = Y
; Set both of the previous two to N in order to force X11 server side fonts
;
; Anti-alias fonts if using the Render extension (default Y)
;;ClientSideAntiAliasWithRender = Y
; Anti-alias fonts if using core requests fallback (default Y)
;;ClientSideAntiAliasWithCore = Y
;

[fonts]
;Read the Fonts topic in the Wine User Guide before adding aliases
;See a couple of examples for russian users below
Resolution = 96
Default = -adobe-helvetica-
DefaultFixed = fixed

Re: [newbie-it] Problema server vari su mandrake 9.1

2003-10-24 Thread Morsiani Luca

- Original Message -
From: miKe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Problema server vari su mandrake 9.1

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Alle 12:23, mercoledì 15 ottobre 2003,   Morsiani Luca  ha scritto a
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  in merito a [newbie-it] Problema server
vari su mandrake 9.1 :

a livello di tcp wrapper (xinetd) devi abilitare all'ascolto non solo la
eth0 ma anche ppp0
quindi aggiungere a hosts.allow il tuo amico per i servizi ai quali vuoi
che acceda
(man tcpd)

E' nel file xinetd.conf che devo modificare per abilitare l'ascolto della
ppp0?

idem per i servizi standalone, a livello di configurazione locale
aggiungi al binding la seconda interfaccia

Dici modificando i loro file di configurazione? Possibile che ce ne siano
alcuni che non si possono modificare in merito??

non serve aggiungere che andare su internet con servizi attivi,
configurati in maniera vicina al default e senza firewall non sia
proprio sicuro, vero?

Lo so :)

Ciao

Luca Morsiani

Re: [newbie-it] Modificare il menu di lilo

2003-10-24 Thread Fabio Manunza

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Alle 12:45, venerdì 24 ottobre 2003, carmine de pasquale ha scritto:
 - Original Message -
 From: Luigi De Pascale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:36 PM
 Subject: [newbie-it] Modificare il menu di lilo

  Salve a tutti,
  uso come bootloader lilo.
  All'avvio mi compare la lista delle varie possibilita':
  linux
  linux-nonfb
  windows

  eccetera eccetera.

  Qualcuno sa come posso modificare l'ordine in cui compaiono?
  Purtroppo devo farlo da linea di comando, non dispongo di X.

 edita lilo.conf

Ricordati, alla fine, di dare il comando lilo -v, che riscrive le tue 
modifiche sul mbr (man lilo.conf, comunque...).
Vale.

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Re: [newbie-it] gcc

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Alle 16:59, giovedì 23 ottobre 2003,   Eraser Head  ha scritto a MLdrake  
in merito a [newbie-it] gcc :
 Ciao a tutti.
 Ho scoperto da pochissimo che il gcc quando compila ottimizza il
 compilato per la macchina in uso.
 Il codice cosi' compilato produce quindi dei sorgenti che non e'
 detto funzionino su altre macchine (ad esempio con processore
 diverso).

 Volevo quindi chiedervi se esiste un modo (e qual e') per compilare
 del codice in modo tale che l'eseguibile generato non sia ottimizzato
 per l'hardware della macchina, e possa cosi' essere eseguito su altre
 macchine senza problemi.

mettendo in uno script di avvio una cosa del genere
export CFLAGS=-O1  -mcpu=i386

nota che si usa spesso  compilare per 686 permettendo l'esecuzione del 
codice anche 3-486; mettendo mcpu 686 ma march 386

march chiama mcpu, quindi mettendo ad esempio march athlon si usano le 
caratteristiche i registri e le istruzioni degli athlon, in quel caso è 
quindi implicita la mcpu athlon


da man gcc:
- -mcpu=cpu-type
   Tune to cpu-type everything applicable about the generated 
code, except for the ABI and the set of available instructions. 
...
   While picking a specific cpu-type will schedule things 
appropriately for that particular chip,   the compiler will not 
generate any code that does not run on the i386 without the 
- -march=cpu-type  option being used. 


   -march=cpu-type
   Generate instructions for the machine type cpu-type. 
...


 Grazie,

Chiara

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miKe


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Re: [newbie-it] Blocco installazione - il problema del checktime reached continua

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Alle 22:40, martedì 21 ottobre 2003,   Mimmo  ha scritto a 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  in merito a [newbie-it] Blocco 
installazione - il problema del checktime reached continua :
.

 Sinceramente non riesco a capire perche' mi da un errore di checktime
 reached quando non esiste nessun filesystem linux... BOH!

la cosa è quantomeno strana..
cmq
prova col formattare le partizioni in modo diverso,
il mio suggerimento serviva a ripulire master boot e settori iniziali  
delle partizioni; ma per qualche motivo nono funzia... 

 Saluti by Mimmo

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miKe


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Re: [newbie-it] Problema server vari su mandrake 9.1

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Alle 17:24, lunedì 20 ottobre 2003,   Morsiani Luca  ha scritto a 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  in merito a Re: [newbie-it] Problema 
server vari su mandrake 9.1 :


 E' nel file xinetd.conf che devo modificare per abilitare l'ascolto
 della ppp0?

se non erro hai un file per ogni servizio


 idem per i servizi standalone, a livello di configurazione locale
 aggiungi al binding la seconda interfaccia

 Dici modificando i loro file di configurazione? Possibile che ce ne
 siano alcuni che non si possono modificare in merito??

non uso mandrake dal 99
quindi non posso essere preciso...

nel caso, filtrerai la porta con iptables

 Ciao

 Luca Morsiani

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miKe


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[newbie-it] OT_Sostituire Konqueros...

2003-10-24 Thread kudega

Dato che sulla mia RH ho konqueros che fa i capricci e non volendolo  
aggiornare o reinstallare mi sono andato a cercare un altro file  
manager e... xls è una bomba!!
Veloce, funzionale, personalizzabile, l'unica pecca è un pò la grafica  
ma viceversa è molto snello! E' scritto in C o C++...
Sono disponibili i sorgenti rpm compilati su RH7.3 i SourceRpm o il  
tarball.
Insomma, provatelo!

Re: [newbie-it] Wine e fonts

2003-10-24 Thread kudega

On 24.10.2003 14:38, Michele wrote:
ho istallato wine da pochissimo, mi stavo divertendo a testare
istallando
programmi e tutto sembrava andare a meraviglia, o anche preso un po  
di
confidenza con il file ~/.wine/config. Ho tentato di fare il salto di
qualità istallando Cubase un sequencer che uso molto, proprio alla
fine
mi è comparsa una finestrella che diceva che aggiornava il sistema ho
atteso per un bel po poi stufo lo killata, ma adesso i programmi,
istallati prima, si aprono con dei codici carattere strani tutte
[][][][][]. Vi invio il mio file config perchè non so proprio come
settare le font. Grazie
Ma ?!?!
Cavoli io quando ho installato Wine non riuscivo a far partire 'na  
bega!
Mi giravano solo programmi basilari tipo blocco note di Wondozz..
Quando provavo ad installare qualcosa... crash!
Forse ho sbagliato/trascurato qualcosa nell'installazione?
Potresti farmi un piccolo elenco delle operazioni che hai svolto per  
far girare Wine così ci riprovo...
Grazie ciao ciao Davide

Re: [newbie-it] domande forse stupide

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Alle 10:03, venerdì 24 ottobre 2003,   Andrea Celli  ha scritto a 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  in merito a Re: [newbie-it] domande forse 
stupide :

   se vuoi puoi togliere konqueror
 
  E dopo che l'ho tolto da kmail i link ai siti internet riesco a
  farli aprire con Mozilla?
..

 È sempre difficile eliminare una dipendenza ;-)

ma poi, conviene?
cioè:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /opt/kde/bin/konqueror
- -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 3604 apr 29 15:02 
/opt/kde/bin/konqueror

3604 !!
non è l'eseguibile ad essere pesante, ma le migliaia di librerie che si 
tira dietro:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ldd /opt/kde/bin/konqueror
/usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so.6 = 
/usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x40016000)
konqueror.so = /opt/kde/lib/konqueror.so (0x4005d000)
libkonq.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libkonq.so.4 (0x400f2000)
libkparts.so.2 = /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2 (0x4015e000)
libkio.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libkio.so.4 (0x40191000)
libkdeui.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libkdeui.so.4 (0x403d)
libkdesu.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libkdesu.so.4 (0x405c5000)
libkdecore.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4 (0x405df000)
libDCOP.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4 (0x40755000)
libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4079c000)
libresolv.so.2 = /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x4079f000)
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 = /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x407b)
libkdefx.so.4 = /opt/kde/lib/libkdefx.so.4 (0x407c4000)
libqt-mt.so.3 = /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0x407ec000)
libpng.so.3 = /usr/lib/libpng.so.3 (0x40de9000)
libXext.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x40e14000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40e21000)
libSM.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x40edb000)
libICE.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40ee3000)
libpthread.so.0 = /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x40efa000)
libXrender.so.1 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x40f4c000)
libutil.so.1 = /lib/libutil.so.1 (0x40f53000)
libz.so.1 = /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x40f56000)
libfam.so.0 = /usr/lib/libfam.so.0 (0x40f65000)
libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 = /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 
(0x40f6e000)
libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40fb9000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40fdc000)
libGL.so.1 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x4110f000)
libXmu.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x4118d000)
libXft.so.2 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x411a1000)
libfontconfig.so.1 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 
(0x411b3000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
libXt.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x411d7000)
libexpat.so.1 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x41221000)

ora non mi metto a controllare ognuna di queste a qune altre 
applicazioni di kde possa servire,
ma dubito che si possano eliminare tutte


poi c'è il problema che giustamente accennava Andrea sulla 
riconfigurazione dei programmi che usano konq per visualizzare 
qualsiasi cosa..

ah,
con kde non è indispensabile usare konqueror ma è necessario ricompilare 
tutto inserendo un diverso filemanager (rispetto a kwm) e gestore 
fineste (rispetto a kwin)... perdendo però tutta l'integrazione.. :(


 ciao, andrea

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[newbie-it] reply-to settato sull'indirizzo mittente (a che servirebbe?)

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salve a tutti

come da subject...

chiederei a chi ha settato un reply-to sul proprio indirizzo (sullo 
stesso dal quale posta...)
, di rimuoverlo negli account che usa per postare in lista o a mettere 
un filtro che lo faccia,

per caso mi sono appena accorto di aver risposto a messaggi _della_ista_
ma sono post che nessuno leggerà mai, visto che sono arrivati ai 
mittenti.

Ora, visto che Sympa  setta il reply-to alla lista (non tutte le ml lo 
fanno) mi pare corretto che tutti possano leggere le risposte.

grazie


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[newbie-it] scheda tv

ho qualche problema nel modulo del sintonizzatore della scheda tv.
ho provato tutte le combinazioni possibili.
la mia è una scheda boeder tv pci con chip bt878.
col comando /usr/bin/XawTV -c /dev/v4l/video0
vedo in bianco e nero solo l'ultimo canale impostato da winzozz, o gli 
ingressi videocomposito e supervhs, sempre in bianco e nero.
il comando di luminosità e quello del volume funzionano.
qualcuno ha la stessa scheda e ha risolto il problema? (non tanto quello del 
bianco e nero, ma quello della sintonia)?

[newbie-it] modem palladio digicom

2003-10-24 Thread Luciano Varotti

salve a tutta la ML
mi sono appena iscritto 

ho un modem pcmcia palladio V92 che è stato riconosciuto e
correttamente configurato con mdk8, mentre non ha mai
funzionato con mdk9 e con mdk9.1

prima della mdk9.1 ho tenuto una debian stable (woody) che
me lo riconosceva (il dev era tap0) e me lo configurava 

non capisco perché la mdk (oltreutto solo con le distro +
recenti) sia l'unica che da' picche

all'avvio, in sede di boot, quando parte cardmgr si sente un
beep alto (segno che l'hw e' stato riconosciuto) ed uno basso
(segno che non e' stato configurato)

mi potete dare qualche suggerimento su come risolvere il problema
della configurazione ?
ps: che non sia kudzu, ovviamente

mi era venuto in mente ifconfig device ma non so a quale device
è connessa la scheda modem

grazie

Re: [newbie-it] Rete casalinga

2003-10-24 Thread freefred

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On Friday 24 October 2003 17:04, kudega wrote:
 A grandi linee potete dirmi i passi per configurare una rete casalinga?
 Ho un Pc(Windozz) e vorrei collegarlo a questo (Linux RH 9) per
 navigare su internet.
 Ovviamente su Linux ho già configurato il ppp0, ma non la sk ethernet.
 grazie ciao ciao Davide

mh, molto a grandi linee devi dare alla scheda di rete del linux un indirizzo 
della stessa classe di quella che e' sul pc windows.
Se windows e' per es. 192.168.1.1, linux sara' 192.168.1.2
Poi uno fara' da gateway (meglio linux probabilmente).
Ma dipende a quale pc e' attaccato il modem,e da altro.
La scheda di rete in linux la configuri graficamente
(ma non conosco i tool della Red Hat) o con ifconfig.
Leggi il man.

Di base comunque:

ifconfig eth0 up

ifconfig eth0 indirizzo_IP (la netmask, dovrebbe assegnarla di default)

bye
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[newbie-it] non trovo le applicazione, ne installo di nuove ma non ci sono

2003-10-24 Thread Pierluigi Peggiani


Spero che nessuno mi prenda troppo in giro ma mi è capitata una cosa grottesca...
Sono riuscito finalmente a installare mandrake 9.2 e fargli riconoscere TUTTE (evviva!) la periferiche, ma quando lo lancio non trovo le applicazione!!! (browser, e mail, openoffice).
Cito da sito mandrake "La grande varietà delle applicazioni disponibili costituisce una prima, notevole differenza tra GNU/Linux e Windows. Infatti Mandrake Linux installa molte applicazioni in più sul vostro sistema, e se cliccate sul pulsante del menu principale avrete a vostra disposizione un gran numero di scelte, in base a quello che desiderate fare." 
Beh io sto gran numero proprio non lo vedo!! Anzi non c'è praticamente niente!
Ho installato i pacchetti che le comprendevano ma non trovo niente!!! In pratica lancio la connessione ad internet dal software di gestione dell'hardware (Non riesco a creare qualcosa di simile ad una icona di accesso remoto, come si fa) ma poi dal menu non trovo nessun browser! Ho provato ha installare Mozilla dall finestra INSTALLA software, ma anche in questo caso non riesco a trovarlo e quindi a lanciarlo!!! AIUTO!!
Cazzarola... pensavo fosse molto più simile Windows!! E' grave questa mia incompetenza??
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Re: [newbie-it] non trovo le applicazione, ne installo di nuove ma non ci sono

2003-10-24 Thread freefred

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On Friday 24 October 2003 20:09, Pierluigi Peggiani wrote:
 htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV/DIV
 PSpero che nessuno mi prenda troppo in giro

potrebbero pero' maledirti se continui a postare in html:-)

  PSTRONGBeh io sto gran numero proprio non lo vedo!! Anzi non c'è
 praticamente niente!/STRONG/P PHo installato i pacchetti che le
 comprendevano ma non trovo niente!!! In pratica lancio la connessione ad
 internet dal software di gestione dell'hardware

nella barra in basso (il kicker) non hai gia' delle icone che corrispondono
alle applicazioni?
non e' che entri come root?
comunque puoi lanciarle  da console poi fare eventuali
link, aggiunte al menu ecc.

da una console scrivi:

mozilla

kppp

konqueror

e cosi' via.

ma nei programmi alla voce internet non ci sono tutti i collegamenti ai vari 
programmi?
usi il kde?gnome?un altro window manager?

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Re: [newbie-it] non trovo le applicazione, ne installo di nuove ma non ci sono

2003-10-24 Thread francesco.melo

Alle 20:34, venerdì 24 ottobre 2003, freefred ha scritto:
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 On Friday 24 October 2003 20:09, Pierluigi Peggiani wrote:
  htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV/DIV
  PSpero che nessuno mi prenda troppo in giro

 potrebbero pero' maledirti se continui a postare in html:-)

   PSTRONGBeh io sto gran numero proprio non lo vedo!! Anzi non c'è

  praticamente niente!/STRONG/P PHo installato i pacchetti che le
  comprendevano ma non trovo niente!!! In pratica lancio la connessione ad
  internet dal software di gestione dell'hardware

 nella barra in basso (il kicker) non hai gia' delle icone che corrispondono
 alle applicazioni?
 non e' che entri come root?
 comunque puoi lanciarle  da console poi fare eventuali
 link, aggiunte al menu ecc.

 da una console scrivi:

 mozilla

 kppp

 konqueror

 e cosi' via.

 ma nei programmi alla voce internet non ci sono tutti i collegamenti ai
 vari programmi?
 usi il kde?gnome?un altro window manager?

 bye
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dovrebbe essere un bug della  9.2
che  dovresti risolvere
scrivendo 

da konsole
su
poi passwd
e poi 
update-menu -v
e dovrebbe risolversi
forse non c'è neppure bisogno di scrivere su
ma puoi darlo direttamente 
prova 
ciao 
p.s le applicazioni non sono molte. sono  dippiù


Francesco

Re: [newbie-it] modem palladio digicom

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Alle 17:34, venerdì 24 ottobre 2003,   Luciano Varotti  ha scritto a 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  in merito a [newbie-it] modem palladio 
digicom :

 all'avvio, in sede di boot, quando parte cardmgr si sente un
 beep alto (segno che l'hw e' stato riconosciuto) ed uno basso
 (segno che non e' stato configurato)

avvii con la  scheda inserita?

prova a avviare poi inseriscila
potrebbe capitare che cardmgr riceva per la scheda un irq col quale 
questa non funziona
risolvi anche escludendolo da quelli permessi in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts

in ogni caso, verifica con cardctl ident come la scheda venga vista
e se in option ci sia la chiamata corretta al necessario modulo,
alrimenti generala

 grazie

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Re: [newbie-it] Mplayer

2003-10-24 Thread Corrado

Il lun, 2003-10-20 alle 18:58, anna ha scritto:
 ho provato a installare xine da mandrake ( cd) e la procedura di installazione 
 si e' bloccata perche' mancavano diverse librerie ho lasciato perdere e 
 installato mplayer che e' uno spettacolo ( ma e' l'unico che ho provato;), la 
 mia domanda si riferiva a chi avesse usato tutti e due e trovato migliore 
 xine, a quel punto sarei andata a vedere cosa mancava per completare 
 l'installazione dei pacchetti...


Se hai provato a installare la versione sul cd, tutto ciò che serve è
già sul cd, salvo le libdcss, per questione di prudenza legale;
personalmente preferisco Mplayer per i file e Xine per i DVD: a Mplayer
manca ancora la possibila di navigare graficamente tra i menù
interattivi, come possono fare invece sia Xine che Ogle; quest'ultimo mi
ha funzionato subito, quando lo provai, anche coi DVD criptati
(installando l'apposito pacchetto dcss); anche Mplayer leggeva senza
problemi i DVD codificati, mentre Xine all'inizio *non* ci riusciva. Il
problema è che *non so* dirti come io sia poi riuscito a risolvere il
problema! ^_^
Di sicuro *non* ho disinstallato niente, soprattutto niente da Mplayer o
Ogle; possibile sia bastato aggiornare libdvdcss all'ultimissima
versione. Fatto sta che ora Xine va a meraviglia e non uso più Ogle che
ha ancora qualche lacuna (per esempio per far partire un nuovo DVD
bisogna chiudere e riaprire il programma), pr non avendo dato segni di
instabilità. Inoltre,non disponendo io di una scheda in grado di
effettuare il deinterlacciamento dei video via hardware, mi tornano
comodi gli algoritmi messi a disposizione da Xine.
Concludo segnalando che la versione di Xine compresa sui cd di Mdk 9.1
aveva problemi evidenti di instabilità con i menù interattivi dei DVD,
ma che sono stati risolti con le release successive.
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Re: [newbie-it] OT attenzione utenti Libero :(

2003-10-24 Thread Corrado

Il mer, 2003-10-22 alle 09:56, Andrea Celli ha scritto:

 i contratti vanno letti accuratamente. L'abilità a inserire postille
 che fregano i clienti raggiunge vette impensabili ;-)
 
Non ci sarebbe nemmeno bisogno di mettere postille in caratteri
cirillici microscopici alla Paperon de Paperoni, perchè purtroppo il 90%
degli utenti i contratti non li legge nemmeno... 
Questo non vuol dire che poi non possano slatare fuori iniziative che
lasciano comunque perplessi, proprio alla luce dei contratti
sottoscritti..
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[newbie-it] Re: Rete casalinga

2003-10-24 Thread Mauro


 A grandi linee potete dirmi i passi per configurare una rete casalinga?
 Ho un Pc(Windozz) e vorrei collegarlo a questo (Linux RH 9) per
 navigare su internet.
 Ovviamente su Linux ho già configurato il ppp0, ma non la sk ethernet.
 grazie ciao ciao Davide
 
 mh, molto a grandi linee devi dare alla scheda di rete del linux un
 indirizzo della stessa classe di quella che e' sul pc windows. Se windows
 e' per es. 192.168.1.1, linux sara' 192.168.1.2 Poi uno fara' da gateway
 (meglio linux probabilmente). Ma dipende a quale pc e' attaccato il
 modem,e da altro. La scheda di rete in linux la configuri graficamente (ma
 non conosco i tool della Red Hat) o con ifconfig. Leggi il man.
 
 Di base comunque:
 
 ifconfig eth0 up
 
 ifconfig eth0 indirizzo_IP (la netmask, dovrebbe assegnarla di default)
 
 bye

Volevo porre lo stesso problema, però io sono un passetto più avanti:
Ho già configurato la scheda ethernet, e collegato 2 computer: la rete
funziona, come dimostra il ping
PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=1 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=1 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=1 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=1 ms

--- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 1/1/1 ms.
Quando faccio il collegamento (ftp) verso il pc con linux, mi vengono
richieste l'username e la pw, e tutto funziona.
Quando faccio il collegamento verso il pc (winzozz o amiga) mi vengono
nuovamente richieste  l'username e la pw, ma non ne ho Ho provato a
inserire anon, ma mi chiede sempre la pw, e se inserisco anonymous viene
visualizzato questo messaggio:
530 user anonymous unknown

Qualcuno ha qualche suggerimento da darmi?
ciao
mauro

Re: [newbie-it] satellite sky1dvb PCI

2003-10-24 Thread Corrado

Il gio, 2003-10-23 alle 23:09, carmine de pasquale ha scritto:

 da 2 anni io ho una sky2, che non sono riuscito a configurare.
 mi ricordo però che su http://pluto.linux.it ho trovato un how-to
 tradotto da fatamorgana che spiegava per filo e per segno come istallare
 la sky1 (che non conosco)
 prova a cercare con google

La Sky 2 mi risulta sia da poco, poche settimane, supportata
(http://www.linuxtv.org/developer/dvb.xml)
La 1 mi risulta lo fosse già, comunque il sito di riferimento è sempre
liunxtv.org
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Re: [newbie-it] Mplayer

2003-10-24 Thread Moreno T

Tutto era filato liscio fino alle 21:53, venerdì 24 ottobre 2003, quando 
Corrado ha scritto:

 personalmente preferisco Mplayer per i file e Xine per i DVD: 

Concordo. A me capita però di vedere (sia con Xine che con Mplayer) le 
immagini dei DVD percorse da leggere righe, non nitide (come quando li vedo 
con DVDplayer sotto uindouz). C'è qualche impostazione in Xine per migliorare 
la qualità video? O serve qualche libreria?
Grazie
Moreno

[newbie-it] help me plaese

2003-10-24 Thread Massimo Mele




Ho un pc pentium 200 mmx scheda madre soyo 64mb ram 
scheda video matrox mystique e non vi dico il resto xchè anche eliminando tutti 
gli altri componenti praticamente
lascio solo mb fd hd ram e scheda video comunque 
una volta partito e aperto il kde il pc si blocca ho provato anche 
suse e red hot lo stesso ho sostituito la ram 
uguale le altre periferche smontate sono cd e masterizatore scasi scheda scasi 
adaptec 2904 scheda rete genius ne2000 3d video
power vd nec modem interno us-robotics la cosa 
strana è che con winzozz funziona tutto

Re: [newbie-it] help me plaese

prenditi le tue responsabilità, Massimo Mele, non puoi negarlo,
 tu alle 00:04, sabato 25 ottobre 2003, 
 hai digitato sulla tastiera del tuo computer 
 credendo che forse non me ne sarei accorto:


 Ho un pc pentium 200 mmx scheda madre soyo 64mb ram scheda video matrox
 mystique e non vi dico il resto xchè anche eliminando tutti gli altri
 componenti praticamente lascio solo mb fd hd ram e scheda video comunque
 una volta partito e aperto il kde il pc si blocca ho provato anche suse e
 red hot lo stesso ho sostituito la ram uguale le altre periferche smontate
 sono cd e masterizatore scasi scheda scasi adaptec 2904 scheda rete genius
 ne2000 3d video power vd nec modem interno us-robotics la cosa strana è che
 con winzozz funziona tutto 

con ctrl-alt-backspace e ctrl-alt F1, che succede?

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Re: [newbie-it] reply-to settato sull'indirizzo mittente (a che servirebbe?)

2003-10-24 Thread tom

On Friday 24 October 2003 17:01, miKe wrote:
 Ora, visto che Sympa  setta il reply-to alla lista (non tutte le ml lo
 fanno) mi pare corretto che tutti possano leggere le risposte.

mi sa che il sympa fa un po come cazzo le pare.
ogni tanto setta bene il reply e ogni tanto va a farsi na birretta...o altro..
anche a me è capitato di spedire e non vedere la mail in lista,ma piu spesso 
fa centro!
magari adesso avra il suo ciclo? mboo!

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Re: [newbie-it] satellite sky1dvb PCI

prenditi le tue responsabilità, Corrado, non puoi negarlo,
 tu alle 22:35, venerdì 24 ottobre 2003, 
 hai digitato sulla tastiera del tuo computer 
 credendo che forse non me ne sarei accorto:


 Il gio, 2003-10-23 alle 23:09, carmine de pasquale ha scritto:
  da 2 anni io ho una sky2, che non sono riuscito a configurare.
  mi ricordo però che su http://pluto.linux.it ho trovato un how-to
  tradotto da fatamorgana che spiegava per filo e per segno come istallare
  la sky1 (che non conosco)
  prova a cercare con google

 La Sky 2 mi risulta sia da poco, poche settimane, supportata
 (http://www.linuxtv.org/developer/dvb.xml)
 La 1 mi risulta lo fosse già, comunque il sito di riferimento è sempre
 liunxtv.org

grazie.
un motivo in meno per giustificare ancora la presenza di b.g. sul mio pc

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Re: [newbie] Help with memtest and errors. (a little long) now trimmed :)

2003-10-24 Thread Martin L. Johansen

On Friday 24 October 2003 02:36, Tom Brinkman wrote:

  But (just to clarify things), does it perform better with 512
  than 1024 ? Or does a person just not need that much?

Not for a desktop. Only servers handling web services and lot'sa
 lot'sa users, or a sound/video studio. So unless you're Walt Disney
 or Dream Works, 512MB is overkill.  'Course if you've got more ram,
 Linux will try an use it all, and maybe still bump into /swap 
 but the memory management scheme in kernels that can address over
 860MB of ram, also slow things down. I've heard about 7%, I believe
 in the few days I've used an enterprise kernel, it's even more than
 that  for normal desktop use.

OK. Thanks m8.

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Re: [newbie] Ballmer: Win more secure that Lin

2003-10-24 Thread John Wilson

On October 23, 2003 03:28 am, HaywireMac wrote:
 http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5094279.html

 Ballmer also disputed the notion that open-source code is more secure
 than Windows. The data doesn't jibe with that. In the first 150 days
 after the release of Windows 2000, there were 17 critical
 vulnerabilities. For Windows Server 2003 there were four. For Red Hat
 (Linux) 6, they were five to ten times higher, he said.

 Red Hat 6 ?! *This* is his example for Linux security?

 ROTFLMAO!

 Ok, now I'm really not sure whether he is just pure evil, stupid, combo
 of both, what the hell is this guy popping?

 Where's his e-mail, I just gotta ask...

Well, we also have to ignore that Winblows Server 2003 was cracked within 
minutes of it's first appearance.  And we have to ignore the fact that what 
Microsoft calls critical vulnerabilities these days is in such a narrow band 
as to be statistically invalid.

Now..onto Linux.  Whatever number of vulnerabilities are reported and patched 
the fact remains that these are often discovered by the development team and 
patched BEFORE any reported attempt to exploit the vulnerability.  Further, 
the peer review that Linux goes through ensures that the millions of eyes 
looking at a package will find it double quick and again the patch is 
released BEFORE any reported exploits.

Not so with Windows and I need not explain that one further.

What M$ and it's apologists do is count up the number of patches irregardless 
of severity on competing OSs and then compare it to thier number of patches.  
As thier patches attempt to solve numerous vulnerabilities all at once Linux 
patches come through one package at a time.  In short the numbers are 
meaningless.

Let's also remember that it's a boringly regular occurence that a M$ patch 
will break more than it fixes.  In Linux it's the other way around even 
though it does happen about once in a blue moon.

There's an old saying about numbers...figures can't lie but liars can figure.
Ballmer is in the latter category.

Another nice one, courtesy of Mark Twain is there are lies, damned lies and 
statistics

ttfn

John

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Re: [newbie] PDF printing in landscape mode

On Thursday 23 Oct 2003 2:42 pm, Russ wrote:
 Hi All,

 I am trying to print a document (pdf) in landscape mode but it doesn't
 seem to be cooperating.

 I am running MD9.1 with a Canon s750 printer with TurboPrint up and
 running. I have tried xpdf, Ghostview,  kghostview and all seem to chop
 up the document. Open Office has no problems printing in landscape mode
 (but it will not view pdf's).

 Any ideas or is there another pdf viewer out there that will give me
 better luck?

 Thanks
 Russ

Yes you could try Acrobat Reader.
RPMs available from Mandrake Club or Texstar or tar.gz buried somewhere on the 
Adobe home page.

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Re: [newbie] Adobe tar.gz

On Thursday 23 Oct 2003 4:07 pm, Russ wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have decided to install Adobe Acrobat to view and print pdf files. So
 I downloaded the newest version for Linux. It is a tar.gz. I figured no
 problem I've done a couple of those :-) (ya right).

 I extracted it but can't seem to get it to install. make and make
 install don't seem to do the trick. I looked at install --help and man
 install but don't know enough about this stuff yet to know what I was
 looking at (or actually what I needed). The instructions say run the
 install script (very profound eh, - even tried that). What do I have to
 type this time for the install to go?

 Thanks
 Russ

You do not need to compile acroread. It is a programme binary.

Al you have to do is make the install script executable with
chmod +x script_name

and then execute it with 
./script_name

(Do that all as root)

Or install Texstars RPM instead. If you are running 9.2 you should still be 
able to use the 9.1 version.

derek

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Re: [newbie] OT Help with samba

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 5:59 am, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:38:22 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Install Webmin, if you don't already have it, and try configuring
  through that.  If you still don't get it right, post your smb.conf
  file and we'll look at it for you.

 I have tryed everything sugested so far and then some I just dont get
 it?  I know its somthing real stupid !  Oh and i have shut down
 firewalls on both machiens to no avail.  Here is my smb.conf
 Any help is apreaciated.

 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

Apologies if some of these questions are stupid but I have not followed this 
thread and do not know what you have tried.

1. You do have samba-common samba-client and samba-server RPMs installed do 
you?

2. The smb service is running is it?  (Check in MandrakeControl 
CentreSystemServices) Restart smb anytime you change the config.

3/ The workgroup in smb.conf is the same as in Windows?

4/ You have logged into your Windows computers with a valid username/password? 
(network browsing in Windows is disabled if you have not)

5/ Your linux firewall is disabled is it?  You should be able to ping the 
Windows computers.

If all these 5 things are correct you should see the Linux computer from 
Windows Network Neighbourhood. 

You will not be able to browse the folders on the Linux machine until you :-

6/ Run the command
smbpasswd -a user_name
as root for each user of the Linux computer who needs to view their files over 
samba.
user_name must be a valid user name in both Linux *and* Windows environments.
The password it prompts you for is the password in the **Windows** 
environment. (It does not have to be the same as the Linux password)

To browse the Windows network from Linux install the LinNeighborhood RPM (or 
komba2)  You should then see the Windows machines in LinNeighborhood/komba2

BTW: It may help to uncomment the ' wins support = yes' line in smb.conf.

derek

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Re: [newbie] OT Help with samba

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:14:44 +0100
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 6/ Run the command
 smbpasswd -a user_name
 as root for each user of the Linux computer who needs to view their
 files over samba.
 user_name must be a valid user name in both Linux *and* Windows
 environments. The password it prompts you for is the password in the
 **Windows** environment. (It does not have to be the same as the Linux
 password)

I have found that using Webmin, the password can be set without running
that command. Webmin is what got my Samba network going lickety-split,
no hassles at all, though the advice above is very important, esp the
part about having the same workgroup/domain name amongst all machines.
I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that's the problem, in fact. Dan, fire up
LinNeighborhood just for kicks and see what you see, report back with
that info.

One thing, the usernames do not have to be identical; I have different
usernames on my Linux boxes from those on the Windows machine, and I am
able to access both ways, though I do have to *enter* a username to
browse the shares of course. That's where the mountscript I referred to
comes in, since you can send the user and pass at the command line :-)

Here is an example:

#! /bin/sh

# SMB mount script
# created by LinNeighborhood

smbmount //NODE2/backup /home/joehill/mnt/NODE2/backup/ -o
username=xx

Note, I do not have a password set on the Windows box, but if you did,
LinNeighborhood would generate a script which included that.

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Re: [newbie] Ballmer: Win more secure that Lin

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:49:45 -0700
John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Now..onto Linux.  Whatever number of vulnerabilities are reported and
 patched the fact remains that these are often discovered by the
 development team and patched BEFORE any reported attempt to exploit
 the vulnerability.  Further, the peer review that Linux goes through
 ensures that the millions of eyes looking at a package will find it
 double quick and again the patch is released BEFORE any reported
 exploits.

Did you read what he said about that, though? It's so beyond credulity
that it makes me wonder about his sanity:

The vulnerabilities are there. The fact that someone in China in the
middle of the night patched it--there is nothing that says integrity
will come out of that process. We have a process that will lead to
sustainable level of quality. Not saying we are the cat's meow here--I'm
saying it is absolutely not good reasoning to think you will get better
quality out of Linux. 

In the middle of the night in China?! LOL! I gotta get some of what this
guy is smoking...

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Re: [newbie] total newbie questions

On Thursday 23 Oct 2003 11:16 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 The user_name:password is the log in. Naturally it must be a
 valid combination.

Duh!  Abject grovelling  That comes of grabbing a quick read between 
other unrelated jobs.  I didn't read the line, just used it - so, no 
username, no password.  Silly b


 BTW: That link I gave was of course for 9.2. If you are using 9.1
 then substitute 9.1 in the URL.
 If you are running 9.1, and have never performed any updates from
 the Mandrake update server, then your urpmi package has a bug which
 will stop downloads from Mandrake Club working.

Again, I never looked.  Sorry for the wasted bandwidth.  Needless to 
say, it works perfectly once amended.

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Re: [newbie] Open GL graphics cards.

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 3:08 am, Scott Naylor wrote:
 Hey I just did this a little bit back. You go to NVIDIA.com and
 choose the Drivers section. Look for your card and you should run
 into a driver called

 Linux IA32

 Go download that file and put it anywhere you like. Then follow the
 instructions at this link

 ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4496/README.txt

 to finish it off. Note that the file as XFree86Config that they
 refer to is really XFree86Config-4. Be sure not to get them mixed
 up.

Scott - could I ask you to add this to the appropriate TWiki page?  
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/ViDeo

If you haven't used TWiki before, you need to go the the home page 
(you can get there from the link in my sig) and sign on as a TWiki 
user.  There are links for information on just about every aspect of 
using it, but it's pretty easy to add info to an existing entry.  All 
you will need to do is go to the entry for NVidia (first on the page, 
I think) and add something like 'To do this you need to.'

By the way, your reply-to is a problem.  If you read 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
you will understand why you should leave the field empty.

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Re: Spare install - was Re: [newbie] Newbie Etiquette

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 5:41 am, Michael Adams wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:28:38 -0400

 Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I really need to setup a fuck me! OS beside my normal install
  of linux.
 
  sigh
  Femme

 It's not as nutty as it sounds. I have three on my Desktop box.

 MDK 9.0 - Stable
 MDK 9.0 - Tweak
 MDK 9.1 - Update

I had wondered about having two versions running the same kernel.  For 
instance, could I allocate a partition and install the same version 
as on another partition, make temp mounts for the original /etc /usr 
and /var and copy across a whole existing install?  I'm wondering 
because it would be really nice to try an upgrade for the experience, 
without risking losing the existing install in case of problems.  

In the past I have always kept the existing stable install and done a 
new install, but of course it is necessary to start a whole raft of 
configurations and installs afterwards.

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[newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.


I really like this guy, a Lin/Mac supporter all the way, but very
realistic when it comes to dealing with that crap called Windows.

Anothere *great column*:

http://securityfocus.com/columnists/193

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[newbie] RPM'S and POP3

2003-10-24 Thread Drew Martin

Hello All,
 The RPM stuff was about what I expected,it's not a very good
idea to use older RPM when using a more up to date Distro(but it can be done
if careful).
POP 3 was sorted when I managed to get into NTL's account
section and set up so more accounts,I've been trying to do this for a
while,and all I use to get was time-outs.
Cheers,
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Re: [newbie] /dev/sequencer not found.

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 1:09 am, Scott Naylor wrote:

 Only one problem with that stratagy. I want my MIDI files to work
 with OSS if that is possible.

Scott - I haven't been following, so sorry if this is off-beam.  Have 
you tried KMidi (not kmid - they are different)?  I had no success 
with kmid and oss, but kmidi worked fine.

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[newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

2003-10-24 Thread Margot

I've taken the plunge, ordered the CDs, and I want to make sure I know 
what I'm doing before I move from 9.0 to 9.2 so I don't mess it up like 
I did last time! So, before the parcel arrives from France, I need to 
know a few things.

On boot, I get the following choices:

linux - I get into this automatically unless I choose one of the others 
within a few seconds

linux-nonfb - different background colour for the list of things that 
are starting (and stopping, when I log out again), but otherwise looks 
exactly the same as 'linux'

floppy - I assume this is an option to boot from a floppy, but never 
tried it.

old_linux - looks exactly the same as 'linux'

failsafe - lots of scary options, pressed Esc and got into what looks 
like my usual linux

I've used a failsafe mode in Win when things have gone badly wrong, so I 
can see why I've got that option, but what are 'linux-nonfb' and 
'old_linux'?

Are they copies of 'linux' - some sort of backup? Or are they different 
gateways into the same entity? Do I need them? If I don't need them, how 
do I get rid of them?

Margot


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Re: [newbie] /dev/sequencer not found.

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 1:11 pm, Scott Naylor wrote:
 I still don't have my MIDI in KMid working. Hasn't anybody come
 across the same problem as mine before?

Scott - I replied earlier, but since you had your reply-to wrongly set 
it did not get to the list.  Please do try to answer questions that 
are asked.  Does it have to be kmid?  Have you tried kmidi?

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Re: [newbie] /dev/sequencer not found.

KMidi and Timidity work fine, but I need MIDI's to play on request from games 
such as DOOM Legacy... I thought if KMid worked, they would work. How do you 
get MIDI to work in games?

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Re: [newbie] Open GL graphics cards.

Ok I attached the ReadMe file to the topic Video, but I couldn't edit it 
because I'm not the creator of the topic. I hope that helped. And By the way, 
I do try to answer questions, but I am completly new at Linux, I've only been 
using it for a week or two...

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:39:58 +0100
Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 I've taken the plunge, ordered the CDs, and I want to make sure I know
 what I'm doing before I move from 9.0 to 9.2 so I don't mess it up
 like I did last time! So, before the parcel arrives from France, I
 need to know a few things.
 
 On boot, I get the following choices:
 
 linux - I get into this automatically unless I choose one of the
 others within a few seconds
 
 linux-nonfb - different background colour for the list of things that 
 are starting (and stopping, when I log out again), but otherwise looks
 exactly the same as 'linux'

Non-Framebuffer mode, basically just a plain text mode startup in case
framebuffer fails.

 floppy - I assume this is an option to boot from a floppy, but never 
 tried it.

If you have a rescue floppy, with your LILO bootloader on it.
 
 old_linux - looks exactly the same as 'linux'

Not sure, maybe a leftover from last time you upgraded? Did you do a
clean install or upgrade?

 failsafe - lots of scary options, pressed Esc and got into what looks 
 like my usual linux

Never had to use that myself, probably like a safe-mode in Win, ie.
loads only the most basic and necessary components to get your system
booted so you can do repair work.

 
 I've used a failsafe mode in Win when things have gone badly wrong, so
 I can see why I've got that option, but what are 'linux-nonfb' and 
 'old_linux'?

Main thing is, when you install 9.2, it will take care of all of this
for you, replacing what needs to be replaced. You don't need to
worry about losing anything, regardless. As per usual, you would want
to decide on either a clean install (format /) or upgrade, but don't
format your /home partition, of course, so all your settings and data
are preserved.

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

I'm not sure what old linux is, but I think it's carried over after a fresh 
install... it doesn't really have any value. Re-installing Lilo will 
immediatly remove that option. As for LinuxNonFB I can't be positive what it 
is, but I think it's a more secure form of Linux. I've never booted into it 
because I didn't have to. As for my Lilo it's got a lot of stuff

Linux
LinuxNonFB
FailSafe
Windows
Windows_2

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Re: [newbie] Can't login as root in CLI

2003-10-24 Thread Raffaele Belardi

The file /usr/share/doc/msec-0.38/security.txt describes the security 
features for each level. Levels 4 and 5 disable direct root login.

Disabling direct root login means that somebody has to guess two 
passwords to enter as root.

raffaele

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:30:44PM -0400, Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Thursday 23 October 2003 04:32 pm, Adolfo A. Bello B. wrote:

I just installed 9.1 with security set to Higher.

When booting to runlevel 3 I can not login as root, always receiving a
login incorrect message. However, I can login as a regular/normal user
and then su to root without problem.
The same happens when booting to runlevel 5. I can login as a normal
user and from there su to root. But, If I hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 and try to
login as root I get the login incorrect message.
I have no idea about what is going on. Needing help to sort this out.

Saludos,

Adolfo
I think we've seen this before in the message threads - its entirely due to 
your security setting AFAIK. In other words, its supposed to do that at 
higher settings.



Thank you Ronald.

I didn't know it was a security feature.

Saludos,

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

2003-10-24 Thread mike

Margot wrote:

I've taken the plunge, ordered the CDs, and I want to make sure I know
what I'm doing before I move from 9.0 to 9.2 so I don't mess it up
like I did last time! So, before the parcel arrives from France, I
need to know a few things.

On boot, I get the following choices:

linux - I get into this automatically unless I choose one of the
others within a few seconds

linux-nonfb - different background colour for the list of things that
are starting (and stopping, when I log out again), but otherwise looks
exactly the same as 'linux'

floppy - I assume this is an option to boot from a floppy, but never
tried it.

old_linux - looks exactly the same as 'linux'

failsafe - lots of scary options, pressed Esc and got into what looks
like my usual linux

I've used a failsafe mode in Win when things have gone badly wrong, so
I can see why I've got that option, but what are 'linux-nonfb' and
'old_linux'?

Are they copies of 'linux' - some sort of backup? Or are they
different gateways into the same entity? Do I need them? If I don't
need them, how do I get rid of them?

Margot

linux-nonfb is linux in non framebuffer mode, choose linux-nonfb in your bootloader.
the difference between linux and linux-nonfb is that linux-nonfb does not pass a vga= kernel parameter.

old Linux is found when you upgrade from an old-er version , or if you
simply use upgrade on an existing version.

these can both be edited out of the lilo menu if you choose to, though
they don't hurt anything.

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

I'm not sure what old linux is, but I think it's carried over after a fresh 
install... it doesn't really have any value. Re-installing Lilo will 
immediatly remove that option. As for LinuxNonFB I can't be positive what it 
is, but I think it's a more secure form of Linux. I've never booted into it 
because I didn't have to. As for my Lilo it's got a lot of stuff

Linux
LinuxNonFB
FailSafe
Windows
Windows_2

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Re: [newbie] /dev/sequencer not found.

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 1:47 pm, Scott Naylor wrote:
 KMidi and Timidity work fine, but I need MIDI's to play on request from
 games such as DOOM Legacy... I thought if KMid worked, they would work. How
 do you get MIDI to work in games?


Is this why you want to use OSS and not Alsa?

Alsa has an OSS emulation module ( snd-seq-oss) so it still works with games 
expecting OSS
alsaconf will configure OSS emulation for you.

derek

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Re: [newbie] /dev/sequencer not found.

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 1:47 pm, Scott Naylor wrote:
 KMidi and Timidity work fine, but I need MIDI's to play on request
 from games such as DOOM Legacy... I thought if KMid worked, they
 would work. How do you get MIDI to work in games?

Not being a game-player, I can't answer that one for certain. My 
guess, though, would be to go to Control Center (not Mandrake Control 
Center, but the kde one)  Components  File Associations  audio, 
select x-midi and move kmidi to the top of the list.

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Re: [newbie] Ballmer: Win more secure that Lin

2003-10-24 Thread Bryan Phinney

On Friday 24 October 2003 12:59 am, Michael Adams wrote:

 snip

 Trouble is Bryan, mainstream press quote these statements verbatim and
 do not quote anything to the contrary alongside it. They are not
 interested in doing any 'investigitive journalism' nowadays when they
 can cut and paste from press releases. Joe public get Microsofts version
 exactly as it gets peddled and dont even think to question it.

We know that journalists are bought by advertising dollars and we know which 
software model has the money to buy them.  They are respected by the public 
slightly more than politicians and slightly less than used-car salesmen.  
This is not going to change, not now and not in the future.  Linux and 
open-source are not going to win this battle in the media, they will have to 
win it among people smart enough to know better than to listen to someone 
bought and paid for acting as a shill for the buyer.

Personally, I am fairly happy to see the mainstream press falling into line to 
bash open-source for the industry.  Nothing convinces me that we are on the 
right side more than that.

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:53:02 -0400
Scott Naylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 As for LinuxNonFB I can't be positive what it 
 is, but I think it's a more secure form of Linux.

Framebuffer is just high-res text mode, I don't think there's anything
to do with security involved. Most graphics cards will allow you to run
in text mode at a higher res than you would normally see (like when you
first boot your system, those huge, blocky text messages). For example,
in my /etc/lilo.conf, I have:

vga=794

which, IIRC, means that my text mode is 1024x768, with smaller, higher
res text, which is nice on a large monitor.

In Non-FB, you would have the normal vga display, where you get maybe 15
lines on your screen at a time.

Maybe you could think of it as half way between text-mode and X.

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[newbie] Power Pack

2003-10-24 Thread Drew Martin

Hi All,
 If I buy 9.2 Power Pack from Mandrake,and do a upgrade from 9.2rc2
will such things as the Nvidia Drivers be install during the upgrade?If not
will a full install install the drivers and other bits and pieces?
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Re: [newbie] Ballmer: Win more secure that Lin

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:17:30 -0400
Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 We know that journalists are bought by advertising dollars and we know
 which software model has the money to buy them.  They are respected by
 the public slightly more than politicians and slightly less than
 used-car salesmen.  This is not going to change, not now and not in
 the future.  Linux and open-source are not going to win this battle in
 the media, they will have to win it among people smart enough to know
 better than to listen to someone bought and paid for acting as a shill
 for the buyer.
 
 Personally, I am fairly happy to see the mainstream press falling into
 line to bash open-source for the industry.  Nothing convinces me that
 we are on the right side more than that.

Or, in other words:

The Revolution will not be televised!

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Re: [newbie] Power Pack

2003-10-24 Thread Greg Meyer

On Friday 24 October 2003 08:36 am, Drew Martin wrote:
 Hi All,
  If I buy 9.2 Power Pack from Mandrake,and do a upgrade from 9.2rc2
 will such things as the Nvidia Drivers be install during the upgrade?If not
Only if they are already installed, but since 9.2 will install a new kernel, 
you will probably have to just see what happens.  If it doesn't get 
installed, it should just be as easy as typing 'urpmi NVIDIA_kernel

 will a full install install the drivers and other bits and pieces?
  Drew
Yes.  Just watch out that all the KDE apps you want get installed, whether you 
choose upgrade or do a fresh install.  mandrake finally did some package 
splitting in KDE so you don't have to install everything to get kmail, but 
nothing is getting installed by default, so you might want to make sure you 
go through the individual package selection step.
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Re: [newbie] Adobe tar.gz

2003-10-24 Thread Kaj Haulrich

On Friday 24 October 2003 07:52 am, Derek Jennings wrote:

snip
 You do not need to compile acroread. It is a programme binary.

 Al you have to do is make the install script executable with
 chmod +x script_name

 and then execute it with
 ./script_name

 (Do that all as root)

 Or install Texstars RPM instead. If you are running 9.2 you
 should still be able to use the 9.1 version.
/snip

Only a word of caution here : If using UTF-8 Acrobat Reader 5 
will exit with an error. 

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

Margot wrote:

I've taken the plunge, ordered the CDs, and I want to make sure I know 
what I'm doing before I move from 9.0 to 9.2 so I don't mess it up 
like I did last time! So, before the parcel arrives from France, I 
need to know a few things.

On boot, I get the following choices:

linux - I get into this automatically unless I choose one of the 
others within a few seconds

linux-nonfb - different background colour for the list of things that 
are starting (and stopping, when I log out again), but otherwise looks 
exactly the same as 'linux'

floppy - I assume this is an option to boot from a floppy, but never 
tried it.

old_linux - looks exactly the same as 'linux'

failsafe - lots of scary options, pressed Esc and got into what looks 
like my usual linux

I've used a failsafe mode in Win when things have gone badly wrong, so 
I can see why I've got that option, but what are 'linux-nonfb' and 
'old_linux'?

Are they copies of 'linux' - some sort of backup? Or are they 
different gateways into the same entity? Do I need them? If I don't 
need them, how do I get rid of them?

Margot

The real questions you need to ask yourself are,

Do I upgrade, or reinstall,
Do I want to dual linux boot, so your've got your old working linux OS 
to work with while you configure the newer version.

As for the old lilo scripts they can be upgraded as with an upgraded OS, 
or reinstalled as with a fresh new install. If upgraded, then when on 
desktop you can wipe the old linux part of the boot script. If you 
choose to reinstall , then lilo will be renewed completely.



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[newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Margot

I know that I should backup /home before installing 9.2, but what is the 
best way to do this?

I have a CD-RW drive, but have never used it except as CD-Rom! Would it 
be best to do backups on CD-R or CD-RW?

Alternatively, I have some private web space - can I just FTP a copy of 
/home temporarily into cyberspace and grab it back if disaster strikes?

I was told a while ago that my /home partition was too small. I assume 
this can be fixed when I install 9.2, but will the process of enlarging 
the /home partition destroy the contents?

Margot


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Re: [newbie] Power Pack

2003-10-24 Thread Drew Martin

Hello Greg,
Thanks for that,it looks like I will Power Pack at some
point soon.
Drew
- Original Message - 
From: Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Power Pack

 On Friday 24 October 2003 08:36 am, Drew Martin wrote:
  Hi All,
   If I buy 9.2 Power Pack from Mandrake,and do a upgrade from
9.2rc2
  will such things as the Nvidia Drivers be install during the upgrade?If
not
 Only if they are already installed, but since 9.2 will install a new
kernel,
 you will probably have to just see what happens.  If it doesn't get
 installed, it should just be as easy as typing 'urpmi NVIDIA_kernel

  will a full install install the drivers and other bits and pieces?
   Drew
 Yes.  Just watch out that all the KDE apps you want get installed, whether
you
 choose upgrade or do a fresh install.  mandrake finally did some package
 splitting in KDE so you don't have to install everything to get kmail, but
 nothing is getting installed by default, so you might want to make sure
you
 go through the individual package selection step.
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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 3:38 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:

 The real questions you need to ask yourself are,

 Do I upgrade, or reinstall,
 Do I want to dual linux boot, so your've got your old working linux
 OS to work with while you configure the newer version.

 As for the old lilo scripts they can be upgraded as with an
 upgraded OS, or reinstalled as with a fresh new install. If
 upgraded, then when on desktop you can wipe the old linux part of
 the boot script. If you choose to reinstall , then lilo will be
 renewed completely.

So making a backup copy would be a good idea, in case you need to 
compare/adjust afterwards :-)

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:35:29 +0100
Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 I know that I should backup /home before installing 9.2, but what is
 the best way to do this?
 
 I have a CD-RW drive, but have never used it except as CD-Rom! Would
 it be best to do backups on CD-R or CD-RW?
 
 Alternatively, I have some private web space - can I just FTP a copy
 of /home temporarily into cyberspace and grab it back if disaster
 strikes?
 
 I was told a while ago that my /home partition was too small. I assume
 
 this can be fixed when I install 9.2, but will the process of
 enlarging the /home partition destroy the contents?

Well, I'm in a similar situation, in that I want to make my /home
partition bigger when I install 9.2, so I'll tell ya what I did.

I created a dir called backup, and put everything in there of any
importance, like config files (.bashrc, .pekwm, .fetchmailrc,
.gtkrc, all those hidden dot files/folders, etc.). In your case, you
might want to include say .kde, .mozilla, .gaimrc or whatever if that's
what you use.

Tar it all up like so (thanks to the advice I got on this earlier):

tar -czf backup.tar.gz backup

then burn that to a CD.

Personally, I use GCombust, just open it, go to data files, add dir,
select the backup.tar.gz you created, then go to the burn tab and hit
combust. K3B might be easier for you, I don't know, I've never used
it.

The advantage to doing it this way is that when you reinstall, you can
untar this backup folder and it'll have all of the permissions and so on
preserved. You can copy the contents of .mozilla into the
.mozilla dir on the new install, and you'll have all the old settings
back.

Anyway, ya, I'm wipin' everything,/,/home, and starting from
scratch with a nice big 40GB /home partition, maybe bigger, I don't see
how I'll need more than 10 or 15 GB for system, even with all the games.

The rest of the stuff you might have, like mp3'z, movies, etc., just
burn 'em straight to CDR.

Go over everything twice to be sure, and if there's something you're not
sure about, ask.

Just out of curiosity, how much space have you used on /home anyway?

Do a df in a terminal and see what the usage is.

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Raffaele Belardi

Before upgrading I normally backup on CD-RW and use diff to verify the 
burning process. (diff is a command line program that compares two files 
or directories. I'm sure KDE or Gnome have graphical equivalents)

There are several graphical front ends to burn CDs: Gnome-toaster, 
Xcdroast, gcombust to name some. In my opinion, none of them is really 
easy to use compared to the Windows counterparts. I normally boot in 
windows to burn CDs :-[

I never thought of using web space, but I would not be so confortable of 
potentially sharing my data with the rest of the internet - even if it 
is a private web space.

I'm afraid enlarging a partition will destroy its contents.

Note that you should probably also backup /etc. There is an interesting 
article about updating here:
http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/install/iupdate.html

raffaele

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that I should backup /home before installing 9.2, but what is the 
best way to do this?

I have a CD-RW drive, but have never used it except as CD-Rom! Would it 
be best to do backups on CD-R or CD-RW?

Alternatively, I have some private web space - can I just FTP a copy of 
/home temporarily into cyberspace and grab it back if disaster strikes?

I was told a while ago that my /home partition was too small. I assume 
this can be fixed when I install 9.2, but will the process of enlarging 
the /home partition destroy the contents?

Margot



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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Margot

HaywireMac wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:35:29 +0100
Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

I know that I should backup /home before installing 9.2, but what is
the best way to do this?
I have a CD-RW drive, but have never used it except as CD-Rom! Would
it be best to do backups on CD-R or CD-RW?
Alternatively, I have some private web space - can I just FTP a copy
of /home temporarily into cyberspace and grab it back if disaster
strikes?
I was told a while ago that my /home partition was too small. I assume

this can be fixed when I install 9.2, but will the process of
enlarging the /home partition destroy the contents?


Well, I'm in a similar situation, in that I want to make my /home
partition bigger when I install 9.2, so I'll tell ya what I did.
I created a dir called backup, and put everything in there of any
importance, like config files (.bashrc, .pekwm, .fetchmailrc,
.gtkrc, all those hidden dot files/folders, etc.). In your case, you
might want to include say .kde, .mozilla, .gaimrc or whatever if that's
what you use.
Tar it all up like so (thanks to the advice I got on this earlier):

tar -czf backup.tar.gz backup

then burn that to a CD.

Personally, I use GCombust, just open it, go to data files, add dir,
select the backup.tar.gz you created, then go to the burn tab and hit
combust. K3B might be easier for you, I don't know, I've never used
it.
The advantage to doing it this way is that when you reinstall, you can
untar this backup folder and it'll have all of the permissions and so on
preserved. You can copy the contents of .mozilla into the
.mozilla dir on the new install, and you'll have all the old settings
back.
Anyway, ya, I'm wipin' everything,/,/home, and starting from
scratch with a nice big 40GB /home partition, maybe bigger, I don't see
how I'll need more than 10 or 15 GB for system, even with all the games.
The rest of the stuff you might have, like mp3'z, movies, etc., just
burn 'em straight to CDR.
Go over everything twice to be sure, and if there's something you're not
sure about, ask.
Just out of curiosity, how much space have you used on /home anyway?

Do a df in a terminal and see what the usage is.

Here it is:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5  49G  2.2G   44G   5% /
/dev/hda6 8.1G  730M  7.4G   9% /home
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$
As you can see, I've got plenty of space at the moment, but it seems to 
me it would be more useful to have a larger /home.




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Re: [newbie] Ballmer: Win more secure that Lin

On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 01:46, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:49:45 -0700
 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
  Now..onto Linux.  Whatever number of vulnerabilities are reported and
  patched the fact remains that these are often discovered by the
  development team and patched BEFORE any reported attempt to exploit
  the vulnerability.  Further, the peer review that Linux goes through
  ensures that the millions of eyes looking at a package will find it
  double quick and again the patch is released BEFORE any reported
  exploits.
 
 Did you read what he said about that, though? It's so beyond credulity
 that it makes me wonder about his sanity:
 
 The vulnerabilities are there. The fact that someone in China in the
 middle of the night patched it--there is nothing that says integrity
 will come out of that process. We have a process that will lead to
 sustainable level of quality. Not saying we are the cat's meow here--I'm
 saying it is absolutely not good reasoning to think you will get better
 quality out of Linux. 
 
 In the middle of the night in China?! LOL! I gotta get some of what this
 guy is smoking...
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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.

On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 03:07, HaywireMac wrote:
 I really like this guy, a Lin/Mac supporter all the way, but very
 realistic when it comes to dealing with that crap called Windows.
 
 Anothere *great column*:
 
 http://securityfocus.com/columnists/193
What is scary is that most people don't care if they are hosting a
zombie.


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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:17:45 +0100
Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 As you can see, I've got plenty of space at the moment, but it seems
 to me it would be more useful to have a larger /home.

Holy shite! You could easily pack your whole /home partition onto one
CD, LOL!

Ya, just tar it all up as I described, though you might not want to do
it all as one archive.

Just as an example, archive all your docs/pics/pr0n g into one
tarball, and the rest(config files/dirs, etc.) into another.

Here's mine, for comparison:

FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1  29G   11G   17G  38% /
/dev/hda6  28G   25G  2.4G  92% /home

As you can see, I *definitely* need more room on /home ;-)

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[newbie] caching up audio files from and external source

Can you cache up audio files from an external source like an audio CD 
player ?

I think I could rig up some sort of audio line from the audio output 
socket of my main highfy CD player to the audio imput on my mobo. But 
would it work,  and can you blow something up ?

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

2003-10-24 Thread robin

Scott Naylor wrote:
I'm not sure what old linux is, but I think it's carried over after a fresh 
install... it doesn't really have any value. Re-installing Lilo will 
immediatly remove that option. As for LinuxNonFB I can't be positive what it 
is, but I think it's a more secure form of Linux. 
non-fb - already answered by Haywire.
old_linux - yes, it's the old boot.  It's really for people who install 
a new kernel.  As you all know, you don't upgrade kernels by upgrading 
them, you do it by adding a new kernel (if you have any sense).  That 
way, if things don't work out as planned, you still have a kernel too 
boot from, and that is linux_old.  If used this trick in reverse when 
the kernel that came with a new distro didn't play nice with my hardware 
- I upgraded, then booted from the old kernel.  And of course it is 
vital for those intrepid souls who want to install development kernels.

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[newbie] Need Trouble Ticket program recommendation

2003-10-24 Thread Tango Echo

Hi all,

I searched freshmeat for trouble ticket programs and
found quite a handful.  I would like your
recommendations... Are any of you using a linux/web
based support ticket program?  Do you know of any good
ones in 9.1?  Something for an IS department to track
problems and search/retrieve later for solutions would
be intent here.

Thanks in advance!!

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

Margot wrote:

Here it is:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$ df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5  49G  2.2G   44G   5% /
/dev/hda6 8.1G  730M  7.4G   9% /home
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]$
As you can see, I've got plenty of space at the moment, but it seems 
to me it would be more useful to have a larger /home.
Each to their own, but I would not have so much space devoted to one 
task. Much more convenient to measure out your hard drive into 
practicable spare partitions, with seperate mount points.Then you can 
use each spare partition for what ever task you like.
Personally I keep anything I'm creating on spare partitions in defined 
directories, so that stuff doesn't get touched at all when renewing an OS.
I leave my home directory as part of / base , the home directory config 
files don't amount to a whole lot of backup, to any device you favour, 
spare partition, zip drive,written to CD, or floppy, and by the way the 
config files will all fit on a floppy, why bother with anything else. By 
combining your home directory with / base you share the spare unused 
with the / base. If I had to have a / home partition , ok , suppose I 
have many users and to save time I will then decide to have a /home 
partition, but heck , it doesn't need to be that big, 1gig will do most 
things like temporarily caching up a CD in while writing it to disc.  
Going by the above figures you have something like 55+ gigs of 
Harddrive, why not chop it up into useful partition 5 to 6 gigs a piece 
, then one of those 5 gigs could have a 1 gig home partition if you feel 
the need, and say a 200mb /boot partition, which would still leave 
enough space to run the OS from the remainder.

Then if at any time in the future you feel the need to dual linux boot 
you can install the second OS in one of those spare partitions all by 
itself, the installer will put the boot files in the /boot partition for 
you and you will find that then they will be read by the lilo installer 
and you can write stanzas for each linux OS and windblows if you have it.

The only thing to say against such an arangement is that if you have 
multiple users then the spare partitions are open to all, but I am 
supposing that you are basically the only user of your computer, and 
that anyone else who may have access has you confidence. I think you can 
set up an fstab file for each user ?  If so then you could set asside a 
partition for each user, that way they cannot look into private files on 
other partitions because the fstab will only allow access to the chosen 
mounted partitions.  There is only me on mine so it is immaterial to me. 
Root of course can examine any.

All these things are personal, and the right way is the way that suits 
you, thank goodness linux allows all these ways. But to my mind devoting 
so much space to single tasks means that anytime you feel the need to 
change something you have a monumental rearrangement to effect. 
Splitting your drive up into spare partitions enables easier flexibility 
for the future. You can further split each partition, or amalgomate some 
together as you wish without having to redo everything all from the very 
beginning again.

John

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:47:11 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 Each to their own, but I would not have so much space devoted to one 
 task. Much more convenient to measure out your hard drive into 
 practicable spare partitions, with seperate mount points.Then you can 
 use each spare partition for what ever task you like.

OTOH, having a rather large /home partition means having a lot of room
to play around with, and in familiar territory, if you catch my
meaning. Downloads (movies, music, etc.), source installs, and the like
can all be accessed/done from your home dir, rather than moving around
between partitions for each purpose. There's a lot more to /home than
just config files.

I think this is why the traditional setup, AFAIK, has always been
somewhere close to one /, one /swap, and one /home (sounds like a George
Thorogood song...). Keep it simple. Especially since in Linux, there is
really no problem with even running apps from yer home dir; my WM even
runs from ~/.

I wouldn't argue against perhaps leaving 5 or 10 GB unpartitioned for
future use, but having too many partitions can get confusing for the
average user, if any of us can be called average ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.

On Friday 24 Oct 2003 4:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 03:07, HaywireMac wrote:
  I really like this guy, a Lin/Mac supporter all the way, but very
  realistic when it comes to dealing with that crap called Windows.
 
  Anothere *great column*:
 
  http://securityfocus.com/columnists/193

 What is scary is that most people don't care if they are hosting a
 zombie.

On what do you base that statement?  Most people would not know if 
they are hosting a zombie, but that does not mean they would not 
care.

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Eric Huff

 Before upgrading I normally backup on CD-RW and use diff to verify
 the burning process. (diff is a command line program that compares
 two files or directories. I'm sure KDE or Gnome have graphical
 equivalents)

I usu make a tar file of what i want backed up, then burn that. 
Only works if you have the space.

Once burned, i do an md5sum on the tar file and the cd to make sure
they match.

 Xcdroast, gcombust to name some. In my opinion, none of them is
 really easy to use compared to the Windows counterparts. I
 normally boot in windows to burn CDs :-[

CLI seems to be the best, here.  Make a backup script once, and it's
as easy as ./backup at the cli.

Here is what i burn with :

# root because i backup /etc

if test `whoami` != root; then
   echo `whoami`, you have to be root
   exit
fi

BACK_PATH=/stuff/backup
FILENAME=cudaback
FULLPATH=$BACK_PATH/$FILENAME

tar -cf $FULLPATH.tar /home/huff /etc 1 $FULLPATH.txt 21

# since i pipe the iso making directly to cdrecord, to be extra
# safe, i usu don't use the comp while burning. see man cdrecord
nice --18 mkisofs -r $FULLPATH.tar | cdrecord -v -eject fs=6m
speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -data -

chown huff $FULLPATH.tar
chgrp huff $FULLPATH.tar

FILE_MD5SUM=`md5sum $FULLPATH.tar`
CD_MD5SUM=`md5sum /mnt/cdrom/$FILENAME.tar`

eject /mnt/cdrom

echo FILE: $FILE_MD5SUM
echo CD:   $CD_MD5SUM

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - what have I got now?

2003-10-24 Thread Eric Huff

  As for the old lilo scripts they can be upgraded as with an
  upgraded OS, or reinstalled as with a fresh new install. If
  upgraded, then when on desktop you can wipe the old linux part
  of the boot script. If you choose to reinstall , then lilo will
  be renewed completely.
 
 So making a backup copy would be a good idea, in case you need to 
 compare/adjust afterwards :-)

I wuld just backup all of /etc.
Mine is only 13M, so it barely shows up on the radar compared to
/home.

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:00:33 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 # root because i backup /etc
 
 if test `whoami` != root; then
echo `whoami`, you have to be root
exit
 fi
 
 BACK_PATH=/stuff/backup
 FILENAME=cudaback
 FULLPATH=$BACK_PATH/$FILENAME
 
 tar -cf $FULLPATH.tar /home/huff /etc 1 $FULLPATH.txt 21
 
 # since i pipe the iso making directly to cdrecord, to be extra
 # safe, i usu don't use the comp while burning. see man cdrecord
 nice --18 mkisofs -r $FULLPATH.tar | cdrecord -v -eject fs=6m
 speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -data -
 
 chown huff $FULLPATH.tar
 chgrp huff $FULLPATH.tar
 
 FILE_MD5SUM=`md5sum $FULLPATH.tar`
 CD_MD5SUM=`md5sum /mnt/cdrom/$FILENAME.tar`
 
 eject /mnt/cdrom
 
 echo FILE: $FILE_MD5SUM
 echo CD:   $CD_MD5SUM

Sure, make us all look like bloody dumbass amateurs... ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Eric Huff

 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

some snippage

  nice --18 mkisofs -r $FULLPATH.tar | cdrecord -v -eject fs=6m
  speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -data -

This should be one line.


 Sure, make us all look like bloody dumbass amateurs... ;-)

  :)  I am still learning bash, so it took some time...

I love it though: backups take no effort now.  Slap in a cd, and run
the script.

Well, it'll be good for a little while.  My /home is closing in on
700MB, so the complexity of the script will go up.  Unless, of
course, i start compressing, too.

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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.

On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 10:40, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Friday 24 Oct 2003 4:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
  On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 03:07, HaywireMac wrote:
   I really like this guy, a Lin/Mac supporter all the way, but very
   realistic when it comes to dealing with that crap called Windows.
  
   Anothere *great column*:
  
   http://securityfocus.com/columnists/193
 
  What is scary is that most people don't care if they are hosting a
  zombie.
 
 On what do you base that statement?  Most people would not know if 
 they are hosting a zombie, but that does not mean they would not 
 care.
 
 Anne
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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:21:56 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 Well, it'll be good for a little while.  My /home is closing in on
 700MB, so the complexity of the script will go up.  Unless, of
 course, i start compressing, too.

700MB?! LOL! Mine is like 25GB, what with all the music and shite. I
bought a 50 pack of CDR's, and I've only got about 6 left...

and not one bit of pr0n in there, just so's ya know... ;-)

P.S. do *not* download Reign of Fire, sux big time. Movie about dragons
and ya get to see about 3... :-\

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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Dick Gevers

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Hi all,

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:27:40 -0400, HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote about Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions  backups:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:47:11 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 Each to their own, but I would not have so much space devoted to one 
 task. Much more convenient to measure out your hard drive into 
 practicable spare partitions, with seperate mount points.Then you can 
 use each spare partition for what ever task you like.

I think this is why the traditional setup, AFAIK, has always been
somewhere close to one /, one /swap, and one /home (sounds like a George
Thorogood song...). Keep it simple. Especially since in Linux, there is
really no problem with even running apps from yer home dir; my WM even
runs from ~/.

I wouldn't argue against perhaps leaving 5 or 10 GB unpartitioned for
future use, but having too many partitions can get confusing for the
average user, if any of us can be called average ;-)

I would choose a middle ground between what John and Haywire are saying in
case I had that many GB to play with and that big folders around: you could
put /home on one large partition, /home/username/music on another partition
and/home/username/videos on a 3rd partition, etcetera. In every day use they
would all be transparent as part of one /home/username folder, but avoid the
permissions juggling that John has to go through. 

In a similar vein I made a separate partition for /usr at one time, but with
all the programs I am trying the spare room is going fast. So at one point I
may put /usr/lib, /usr/share and/or /usr/X11R6 on separate partitions.

This is another reason that Linux is much better than Windows: here we have
one tree; in winblose I used to have partitions C:\ upto S:\ on 3 different
HDs  2 CD player/burner. Once you`re done setting it up I find it`s much
easier to navigate.

Regards,
=Dick Gevers=

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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.

On 24 Oct 2003 11:24:06 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

  I have alearted several friends who use win$ux most of them don't
  care

You could *make* them care eg.

Options:

1. Rubber hose
2. Bicycle chain
3. Piano wire

and for the really stubborn:

4. Cinderblock

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Re: [newbie] caching up audio files from and external source

2003-10-24 Thread Dennis Myers

On Friday 24 October 2003 12:03 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Can you cache up audio files from an external source like an audio CD
 player ?

 I think I could rig up some sort of audio line from the audio output
 socket of my main highfy CD player to the audio imput on my mobo. But
 would it work,  and can you blow something up ?

 John
John, I have done this with an adaptor chord from radio shack. It has the 
usual rca jacks for the tape deck and a single plug to go into the sound card 
on the comp. You will have to play with it and maybe use a third party prog 
to do it, like gramofile. Have to do a search on that one. HTH
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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

HaywireMac wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:47:11 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 

Each to their own, but I would not have so much space devoted to one 
task. Much more convenient to measure out your hard drive into 
practicable spare partitions, with seperate mount points.Then you can 
use each spare partition for what ever task you like.
   

OTOH, having a rather large /home partition means having a lot of room
to play around with, and in familiar territory, if you catch my
meaning. Downloads (movies, music, etc.), source installs, and the like
can all be accessed/done from your home dir, rather than moving around
between partitions for each purpose. There's a lot more to /home than
just config files.
But it's just as easy to move around between mounted partitions, honestly.

John

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Re: [newbie] caching up audio files from and external source

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Friday 24 October 2003 12:03 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Can you cache up audio files from an external source like an audio CD
player ?
I think I could rig up some sort of audio line from the audio output
socket of my main highfy CD player to the audio imput on my mobo. But
would it work,  and can you blow something up ?
John
   

John, I have done this with an adaptor chord from radio shack. It has the 
usual rca jacks for the tape deck and a single plug to go into the sound card 
on the comp. You will have to play with it and maybe use a third party prog 
to do it, like gramofile. Have to do a search on that one. HTH
 

 

Thanks Dennis,

I knew someone in linux must of solved this one.
Downloading now, will look for a cable on Sunday.
John



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[newbie] for those who don't get the newsletter

2003-10-24 Thread Heather/Femme

someone asked about MDK for PPC:

http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker-ppc/2003-10/msg00024.php

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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.

On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:43, HaywireMac wrote:
 On 24 Oct 2003 11:24:06 -0700
 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
   I have alearted several friends who use win$ux most of them don't
   care
 
 You could *make* them care eg.
 
 Options:
 
 1. Rubber hose
 2. Bicycle chain
 3. Piano wire
All of which work better than Win$ux
 
 and for the really stubborn:
 
 4. Cinderblock
   This is Win$ux


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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.

2003-10-24 Thread RichardA

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:43:47 -0400, HaywireMac
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 24 Oct 2003 11:24:06 -0700
 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
   I have alearted several friends who use win$ux most of them don't
   care

Here's a scary (true) story: A friend of a friend has some minor
qualifications in IT and actually teaches something to do with
computing at a local Technical College. He said to me I told my
brother, uninstall that firewall from your Win XP, because all
it does is attract attacks. I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, or
slit my wrists.

Even the newbiest newby on this list is one of the educated elite. Most
people have absolutely no clue. None. They don't even know what they
don't know.

Whichever OS people use, it must be secure out of the box, and it must
update itself automatically. Otherwise some pimply-faced youth will get
a couple of million zombies together and bring down the whole damn 'net.

Richard
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Re: [newbie] Ballmer: Win more secure that Lin

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:28:03 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5094279.html
 
 Ballmer also disputed the notion that open-source code is more secure
 than Windows. The data doesn't jibe with that. In the first 150 days
 after the release of Windows 2000, there were 17 critical
 vulnerabilities. For Windows Server 2003 there were four. For Red Hat
 (Linux) 6, they were five to ten times higher, he said.

Bob Cringely's response:

This is nonsense. It is nonsense because Steve Ballmer, like Bill Gates
before him, confuses market success with technical merit. Microsoft's
product roadmap is a manifestation of a business plan, and what matters
in Redmond is the plan, not the map, which is in constant flux. How many
technical initiatives has Microsoft announced with fanfare and industry
partners, yet never delivered? Dozens. That is no roadmap.

If Microsoft developers rampantly fail to produce good software, but the
company exceeds earnings estimates anyway, how many of those rears will
be actually on the line? Very few, and maybe none at all.

What Ballmer ought to have said was, It's true we have shipped some
really bad software in the past and we are ashamed of that, but we are
totally committed to improving. But he didn't say that. He said, Our
model works pretty well.

Link:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20031023.html

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[newbie] Moving Home partition

2003-10-24 Thread Kelly McCormick

More on the subject of home partions,

In my current setup, I have only a / and /swap. I am thinking that I'd 
like to seperate /home out. It seems to me that it should be as simple 
as shrinking my / partition, creating a new /home, copying everything 
over to the new /home, emptying the original /home, and creating the new 
mount point? Am I on the right track here? Any problems I'm missing?

Also, Any known issues with resizing a riserFS / partition with 
Partition Magic 7 from a windows dual boot load?

Dax


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Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups

2003-10-24 Thread Dale Huckeby



On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, HaywireMac wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:21:56 -0700
 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
 
  
  Well, it'll be good for a little while.  My /home is closing in on
  700MB, so the complexity of the script will go up.  Unless, of
  course, i start compressing, too.
 
 700MB?! LOL! Mine is like 25GB, what with all the music and shite. I
 bought a 50 pack of CDR's, and I've only got about 6 left...
 
 and not one bit of pr0n in there, just so's ya know... ;-)
 
 P.S. do *not* download Reign of Fire, sux big time. Movie about dragons
 and ya get to see about 3... :-\

  Beg to differ.  :)  Dragon scenes are not sparse but _are_ spectacular.  
Very impressive dragon-effects.  Great movie.

Dale Huckeby


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Re: [newbie] Great Columnist on S.F.