from:"Mikkel L. Ellertson"

Dennis Myers wrote:
On Saturday 09 April 2005 05:14 am, Paul Smith wrote:
 

On Apr 9, 2005 5:02 AM, Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

I do not know why, but now I cannot use my flash drive, getting the
following error:
Could not mount device.
The reported error was:
mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk
 

Paul, I was having the same problem in 10.2 rc2 with cooker upgrade. So
I set the append line in lilo to noapic  nolapic and on boot with the
device plugged in or plugging in after It is detected and accessable.
HTH
   

Oh man, if I would read and not  jump.. any chance you went to
console and typed in as su mount /dev/sda1  /media/usbdisk ?   or look
in MCC and see what harddrake calls the device. HTH
 

Thanks, Dennis, but I do not understand quite well what you mean. Yes,
if I run the command
mount /media/usbdisk
then, I can use my flash disk.
Paul
   

Right, this seems to be the way 10.1 works. It must first have a removable 
drive mounted and then it will allow it to be read. 10.2 has changed this and 
works much better for hotplugging. 10.2 should be out in a few days now. 
 

On my system, a stock 10.1, with the standard upgrades, but not with KDE 
upgraded to a newer version, plugging in a flash drive results in it 
being mounted on /mnt/removable, and I am able to access it without 
problem. But people that have upgraded KDE have run into problems 
because of the other packages that need to be upgraded to use the new 
KDE packages. It seams to break the 10.1 hotplug setup...

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Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

JR wrote:
On Saturday 09 April 2005 03:09 pm, JR wrote:
 

On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
   

JR wrote:
 

I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt
work. It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is
no mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals.
His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an
adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for
wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to
give him his dream machine!
   

Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the
adapter on other computers? Other OSs?
 

snip
Hi Mikkel,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work
with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it
though
Kind regards,
Jarlath
   

I've just learned that harddrake has detected a SBLive joystick. There is no 
joystick so I think it is really the mouse. It is filed under 'Unknown/other' 
in harddrake.

Jarlath
 

I haven't had time to dig out a serial mouse to play with, but I hope to 
get a chance later today. But I don't think that the joystick is your 
mouse. Even if you do not have a joystick hooked up, there is still a 
joystick interface on the card. This is probably what you are seeing. 
Kind of like a serial port with nothing attached - it is there, but you 
cann't do much with it without a device attached.

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Re: [newbie] Using the rm command

Paul Kaplan wrote:
On Saturday 09 April 2005 06:29 pm, SnapafunFrank wrote:
Hi ~ the following is in reference to Acrobat Reader only.
I have been reading about Acrobat5 and Acrobat7 and am looking at
installing the later.
I understand that I need to remove all of Acrobat5 and that is OK by me.
The README advises: To uninstall Acrobat Reader 5.0.9, simply delete
the directory where it was installed.
However, in doing a search :
# slocate acro
I have found that it is spread through quite a number of directories.
Though I am prepared to track them down and remove them all individually
I was wondering if there is a way to use the  rm  command to search
and remove them all at one time ?
And even better ~ if there was a way to check everything  rm  wanted
to remove first without having to say  Y  to every file one by one ?
Still, this is only a thought and not essential but if you know then
please share.
TIA

Wouldn't a pipe do the trick?  As in:
locate string | rm string
I suspect I don't have the syntax correct so you might want to test it a 
little before you blame me for hosing your system.
Paul

I don't think you can use a pipe, as the rm command is not expecting 
file names from standard in. You could probably do something like:

for i in $(locate string ; do rm $i ; done
or
for i in $(locate string ; do rm -i $i ; done
or
for i in $(locate string ; do rm -f $i ; done
Use at your own risk...
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Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

JR wrote:
On Saturday 09 April 2005 12:21 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
JR wrote:
I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work.
It doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no
mouse section at all, and it's not under peripherals.
His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an
adaptor. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for
wanting windows are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to
give him his dream machine!
Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the
adapter on other computers? Other OSs?
snip
Hi Mikkel,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the mouse works fine on windows so it must work 
with serial also. I have no idea how to get mandrake to detect it though

Kind regards,
Jarlath

Try logging in as root, and running drakconf. Select mouse, and then 
serial mouse. It will help if you know the mouse type, and the port it 
is connected to. Just remember:

Windows   Linux
COM 1= /dev/ttyS0
COM 2= /dev/ttyS1
COM 3= /dev/ttyS2
COM 4= /dev/ttyS3
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Re: [newbie] harddrake not detecting mouse (uses adaptor)

2005-04-08 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

JR wrote:
I put mandrake10.1-Official on my friends desktop. His mouse doesnt work. It 
doesn't show up in harddrake (the gui tool). In fact, there is no mouse 
section at all, and it's not under peripherals.

His mouse is a PS/2 mouse, but it is connected to a COM port via an adaptor. 
Can anyone tell me how to fix this? The reason he cites for wanting windows 
are all areas mandrake can really soar, so I'm dying to give him his dream 
machine!

Thanks in advance,
Jarlath

Did the adapter come with the mouse? Does the mouse work with the 
adapter on other computers? Other OSs? The reason I ask is that I have 
run into this before, where someone has a mouse, and they have an 
adapter from a different mouse, and they do not work together. The 
problem is that the PS/2 to serial, and PS/2 to USB adapters just 
convert the plug, without changing the signal levels. They work with the 
mouse they came with because the mouse uses different signal levels, and 
possible protocols, depending on how it is plugged in. For a mouse that 
works with a PS/2 to serial adapter, it works with ttl level (0 to +5 
volts) signals when plugged into a PS/2 port, and with RS-232 levels 
(any ware from +/-3 to +/-35 volts.) A PS/2 only mouse, or a PS/2 and 
USB mouse will not work with on a serial port even though it will plug 
into the adapter. It doesn't have the circuits for it.

Now, if the mouse is one that will work on a serial port, then we can 
work on getting Mandrake to work with it... But Mandrake usualy finds a 
serial mouse without help.

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Re: [newbie] Lilo on floppy

2005-04-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Leroy Britton wrote:
I am using mandrake 10.1 and need to prepare a floppy for lilo. I  found 
instructions and they say to use fdformat /dev/fd0H1440, however this 
gives me a error of  No such file or directory.  I have also tried 
fdformat /dev/fd0 and that gives me  No such device or address.

Any help would be appreciated.
With 10.1, udev does not seam to create the additional floppy devices 
for the different floppy formats. But you should be able to use /dev/fd0 
in place of /dev/fd0H1440 and have it work.

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Re: [newbie] Problem with mounting my flash drive

2005-04-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Paul Smith wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005 11:59 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, Mikkel.

Dumb question time - did the flash drive get mounted automaticly on
/mnt/removable? This is what usualy happens when you plug one in. If you
plug in a second one, it gets mounted on /mnt/removable2 or something
like that.

I use only one flash drive.
 

If that did not happen, how did you try to mount the flash drive that
generated that message?

I simply plug my flash drive.
 

Some information that would be helpfull:
What version on Mandrake?

10.1.

What is the output of cat /etc/fstab?

$ cat /etc/fstab
# This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details
/dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hdb6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat
umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,uid=501,codepage=850,gid=501,umask=007 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb5 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/fd0/media/floppy   auto   
pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
$

Regards,
Paul

Paul,
 This has me stumped. If you did not try to mount the drive as a user, 
then you should not have gotten the error message. The standard hotplug 
settings will mount a flash drive on /mnt/removable unless it things the 
drive is realy a camera, and then it mounts it on /mnt/camera.
 Now, if you had clicked on a desktop icon, and it generated this 
message, then I would want to start looking deeper at the window manager 
configuration.
 At this point, unless someone else has a better idea, I think we are 
going to need to know more of the secquence when you plug in the flash 
drive.

Plug in the drive
   ...
   ...
Get the user can not mount /dev/sda1 message
We need to know what goes on between plugging in the drive, and you 
getting the message.

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Re: [newbie] min spec's for 10.1

2005-04-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Rob Blomquist wrote:
On Thursday 07 April 2005 15:14, Tim wrote:

Where can i find earlier versions of Mandrake Linux suitable to work on
a Pentium 233 with 80 MB ram.

Why not use Gentoo, where each package is compiled on the fly for the 
processor in question? 

I have a Pentium 266 laptop with 144mb, that runs 10.x pretty poorly, well the 
video stinks, and I have been thinking of running another distro to see if it 
would be better. 9.2 ran on it pretty well.

Rob
Have you considered the time an install would take, compiling all the 
packages, on a Pentium 233?  (Let me see - if I remember right, figure 
3-4 hours for the kernel itself...)

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Re: [newbie] [OT] usb electric shock while connecting is shutting down computer

2005-04-06 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Philippe Landau wrote:
when i plug in my new Data-Tec D350U USB 2 external harddisk,
i see a small electric flash which can cause
my PC to shutdown instantly.
i know USB is powered, carrying a small voltage,
so the flash is not unexpected.
also as it is used to send control signals
i can understand that it powers down my PC.
but it is risky for my data,
so i would like to know if others saw that happen too.
kind regards philippe
This sounds more like a static discharge or a bad ground then anything 
normal. You should not see any flash when you plug in a USB device. The 
USB connector does have 2 pins for power, but these make connection 
after the grounded body of the plug is making contact with the USB 
socket, so even if there were a spark, you would not see it.

One thing that can cause problems is if you have a separate power 
connection for your USB hard drive, and the power supply for it, and the 
one for the computer, as plugged into different wall outlets. By this, I 
mean outlets located at different points on the wall, or workbench. If 
they are on different circuits, and take different paths back to the 
electrical box, you can end up with different ground levels on the two 
outlets. The difference is usually not that great, but a 2 volt 
difference means a lot to computers. The problem is worse if you do not 
have properly grounded outlets.

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Re: [newbie] Updating with RPM drake

2005-04-06 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Owen wrote:
My installation is straight forward. Aside from updates from the mirror 
no other software has been installed or modified.
 For a few months  I did not touched my Mandrake box. Now when I attempt 
to use RPM drake for updates I get messages with the error that the 
packages have bad signatures.
Such as:
The following package have bad signatures:
kdebase+common_3.2.3._134.8.101mdk i586 rpm: missing signature (Couldn't 
open file}
other packages have the same note that the signature was missing and the 
file couldn't be opened.
 Any suggestions?

Download the new signitures from the mirror site, if you trust it, and 
install them. (rpm --import PUBKEY)

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Re: [newbie] back to Windows

2005-04-05 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Aron Smith wrote:
On Monday 04 April 2005 09:16 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Do you really want to start comparing who has the oldest hardware
sitting around? I think there is a lady on this list that has us all
beat. (Especial after I junked the model 33 teletype last year.)
An ASR 33? I would have killed to get one of those back in the old days :-D
Well, I probably paid more then I should have for it 20 years ago. I 
used it on my first home computer. I had a LOT of programs on paper tape.

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Re: [newbie] PS2 wheelmouse

2005-04-05 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Charles A Edwards wrote:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:04:18 -0400
Lee Wiggers wrote:

Is anyone else having trouble with the logitech optical mouse in
10.1?
I have used it, and am using it now on 4 boxes through a Belkin kvm
switch.

Mine exhibits the same behaviour.
The workaround I use is that each time I change to a different system I
disconnect and then reconnect the mouse from the kvm switch.
Mines on an extension cable so that I can keep it within easy reach 


Charles
At a guess, I would say the mouse supports more then one format of 
reporting events. The Linux box is using a mode that is different then 
the other boxes. When you change to the other box, the mode gets 
changed, but it doesn't get reset when changing back to the Linux box.

Now, if you could figure out the mode the other boxes are using, and 
force the Linux box to use the same mode, you would be all set...

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Re: [newbie] Lost XWindows

2005-04-05 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Charles Rodgers wrote:
I foolishly entered control alt  F1
and now my machine will only boot to the command screen.
What is the command to get from the command screen back to XWindows ?
Your help will be much appreciated.
Charles
This is strange. I use the Ctrl-Alt-F1 to change to the command line all 
the time, and I don't run into this problem. You do have to hit Alt-F7 
to get back to the X secession. (Standard install - this can be 
changed.) But you should have gotten the GUI login back when you 
rebooted as well.

In any case, if it is now booting into level 3, instead of level 5, you 
can change this in a couple of ways. I believe drakconf offers an option 
for this. Or you can edit /etc/inittab, and change

id:3:initdefault:
to
id:5:initdefault:
This should fix things, unless you did something to break the X server. 
You can also run telinit 5 as root to change to run level 5, instead 
of rebooting.

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Re: [newbie] PATH Oops

2005-04-04 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 04 Apr 2005 05:04, rikona wrote:
Hello Anne,
Sunday, April 3, 2005, 1:25:11 AM, Anne wrote:
AW No man page matching to iptables found.
Take a look at iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net - you might find it
more useful than the man pages. Other similar stuff through Google,
too.

Noted, thanks.
Anne

Its Monday morning, and I am back at my Linux machine, so I can get the 
right file names. I lost the original message some ware, so this isn't a 
direct reply to this message, but to the thread.

Now, the man command uses several ways to find the man page you are 
looking for. I am not sure, but I think konqueror is doing the same 
thing. If you have MANPATH defined, it will use that. If you do not, 
then it looks at /etc/man.conf to generate a search path. If it is 
working from the config file, it will then also use PATH, along with a 
few other shell variables, to determine the search path. With most 
systems, it is not going to make a difference if you are running as a 
user, or as root. If anything, the user's PATH may find some man pages 
that root will not. (man pages for games, off the /usr/game directory tree.)

One thing you may want to do is take a look at some of the options in 
/etc/man.conf and deside if you want to broaden the search path for man 
pages. If you use the man command to look at man pages, you may also 
want to look at some of the shell variables that can be set to change 
the way man displays things...

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Re: [newbie] Display problem

2005-04-04 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Michael Hahn wrote:
I've been working on setting up a new system at work, using an older Linux
box. The only trouble is the display settings for xwindows are not correct
for the new monotor, and as a result, when I run startx, I get nothing but
lots of moving horozontal lines.
I found xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what changes I need to make there to get
it up and running, or if that's even the right place.
For refrence, the new monoter has a max res. of 800x600, and the old setting
was for 1280x1024.
The easy way is to log in as root, and run drakxconf. If you are set to 
boot into the GUI mode, hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a command line 
interface login prompt. You can also get there by hitting the Esc key at 
the boot screen, and typing linux 3 at the prompt.

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Re: [newbie] back to Windows

2005-04-04 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
On April 2, 2005 05:26, Daniel Anderson wrote:
 

On Friday 01 April 2005 04:49 pm, Erylon Hines wrote:
   

On Friday 01 April 2005 12:40 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote:
| I'm going back to my TRS80 model 4.
|
| Dan
OMG!  I had one of those.  I think it cost- like -
$1650, which is probably about $10,000 in today's dollars.
 

I still have mine, still works, dabbled a little in basic with it. I put in
the extra memory and two 720k drives. Paid $50 for it used.
   

And the first 386/25.  I still have that laying around somewhere, or at
least pieces of it--4 MEGS of RAM-whoo hoo--that was one hell of a
machine. I actually ran Linux on it, for a while, kernel 1.x something,
maybe 1.2, I can't remember exactly.  Yup, them were the good ole days.
 

I've got you all beat. I started on a Cosmac Elf with 256 bytes of static ram, 
a hex keypad and 2-digit 7-segment display! An RCA-1802, the best 8 bit cpu 
ever built. Composite tv output (40x25), and audio tape storage were also 
available. My brothers and I soldered the components onto the motherboard 
ourselves.

And I walked to work bare feet in the snow, 5 miles, up hill both ways 8^).
 

Do you really want to start comparing who has the oldest hardware 
sitting around? I think there is a lady on this list that has us all 
beat. (Especial after I junked the model 33 teletype last year.)

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Re: [newbie] PATH Oops

2005-04-03 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Anne Wilson wrote:
For the comfort of my eyes I wanted to read man pages in konqueror, but got 
the error

No man page matching to iptables found. You can extend the search path by 
setting the environment variable MANPATH before starting KDE.

I tried to set the variable - probably doing it completely wrong, but I've 
clearly screwed up $PATH.  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]# $PATH
bash: /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin: 
No such file or directory

I presume there's a text file somewhere that I can edit to clean this up?
Anne
 

There are a couple of problems here. The first is that PATH and MANPATH 
are not the same. The second is that $PATH is a shell varable that you 
set, or is set for you when you log in. You can defind a shell varable 
in a couple of ways.

VARABLE=some value
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
What happens when you use $PATH, $HOME or any of the other shell 
varables in a command line is that the value of the varable is used when 
processing the command. When you type $PATH on the command line, you 
were in effect trying to run the command:

/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:
Bash complained that it could not find that command.
Now, as far as you not being to read the IP tables man page, I can not 
check on what pakage the man page is part of at the moment, but if noone 
else fills in that part of the answer, then I will get back to you later 
on it.

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Re: [newbie] PATH Oops

2005-04-03 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 03 Apr 2005 19:47, RickSisler wrote:
 

Mikkel L. Ellertson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   

Anne Wilson wrote:
 

For the comfort of my eyes I wanted to read man pages in konqueror, 
   

 

Anne, Mikkel,
Does man iptables work from command-line?
   

Hi, Rick.  I have no problem accessing it from the command line.  It's just 
for eye comfort that I wanted to do it in konqueror.  At a pinch I could read 
it in a root console, which would certainly be easier than in a user console, 
but I don't like to do unnecessary things as root.  Perhaps I got the command 
wrong in konqueror?

Anne
 

The path searched for man pages is not the same as the one searched for 
programs. You do not have to be root to read the man pages for commands 
that are normally restricted to root. The default man path is controlled 
by a config file in /etc. But if the man command works right from the 
command line, then that is not the problem here.

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Re: [newbie] SMC Barricade

2005-04-01 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Mr. Geek wrote:
Well, here's another weird one for the list. I recently bought a Linksys
Wireless card and it's working quite well, but of course, there's one
little problem.
The card is unable to receive packets from the SMC router. I've tried it 
with and without DHCP, and with or without WEP. The SMC Barricade is an 
11Mbps, 3-Port router with a print-server (not in use for now).

I am able to get an IP address for the Linksys card from the router 
(Model # SMC7004AWBR), and KNemo shows that the card is sending packets 
to the router and that there's a connection at the proper speed, but the 
card is not receiving from the router.

Just to simplify this, the problem doesn't seem related to Linux or 
Windows, since I'm getting the same problem in either OS.

Meanwhile, my wired connection from the same system works fine. Wireless 
networking was working fine on the router the last time it was in use, 
even though an occasional reboot of the router was required.

I've tried it before and after updating the firmware, and I've reset the 
router to default settings about 35 times, and still 'No Joy'! Even 
using the default settings, my wired connection is fine and the wireless 
card is getting an IP address from the router. But the wireless card 
can't successfully ping the router.

If anyone has had any previous experience with this unit, I'd appreciate 
any suggestions they might have. I have yet to take my laptop out to 
another wireless zone to see if it connects and that's probably next on 
my list of things to try, but hopefully, there's something I'm missing.

Personally, I suspect that the problem is due to the RTS/CTS  
Fragmentation settings, but there doesn't seem to be a way to change 
them in the router and I can't find the spec's for them on Google or at 
SMC.

Thanks for any help that you can provide
Mr. Geek
Registered Linux User #190712
Have you considered that the card itself may not work? Has it worked 
with any other router?

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Re: [newbie] Sync PocketPC with Evolution

2005-04-01 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Travis Crook wrote:
Hi All,
	I just received a Toshiba PocketPC e755 and would like to sync it with
Evolution 2.0.  Is there a way to do this?  Where do I start?  

Thanks!
The first step would be to install the synce package. You may also want 
to take a look at:

http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/
and
http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/kde/
This will get you started anyway. From what I have seen, syncing with 
PocketPCs is still in the early stages. It isn't to nearly as good as 
the syncing to Palm devices.

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Re: [newbie] Burning 10.2 ISO

2005-04-01 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Aron Smith wrote:
I have created a lot of coasters under k3b trying to burn 10.2 I noticed that 
the first disk is 699.8 Mb while the capicity is 700Mb  The md5sums check
is it because the CD-R is too small ?

No - the 700Mb is more then big enough to burn a 699.8 MB image. The 
700MB (80 minute) CDs hold 700Mb of data, plue the lead in and lead out 
data.

Now, how are you trying to burn the CD under k3b? If you are trying to 
burn an ISO omage that you have downloaded, you need to pick tools, CD, 
Burn CD image. Now, I have heard that you can also run into problems 
burning CDs with k3b as a user if you haven't gone through the 
configuration first - you have to set some parmissions and it will ask 
you for the root password to do it...

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Re: [newbie] 10.2 on Dell d610

Andre LABBE wrote:
Hi
 
IT boots from the cd fine, then it tells me that there is no cd. I have 
tried alt1 with or without option. I went on the ftp to get extra boot 
floppy image (I do have an external usb floppy) same thing. Anyway to 
get 10.2 to find the CDrom. I have tried with 10.1 and it is the same 
problem.
I don't want to do a network install. By the way Fedora 3 works
 
Regards,
 
Andre

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
I know this will sound strange, but try booting from CD 2, and then 
changing CDs when it tells you to. The kernel on the second CD is set up 
with some different options, and works better for some hardware.

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Re: [newbie] starting slmodem automatically as root

erik wrote:
I'm using the slmodem driver but the problem is that I always have to 
start it as root (using su from terminal) to be able to dial-up.

Is there a way to start this program automatically?
TIA
Erik
If this is a module you have to load, then putting it in 
/etc/modprobe.preload works well for 2.6.x kernels.

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Re: [newbie] To Twiki Editors, Welcome to Newbie Manager and List-Members.

Mr. Geek wrote:
Having something like a newsletter would also allow people to compile 
their own libraries on a variety of technical topics, which can be 
reviewed offline at their leisure, while cutting back on some of the 
redundant posts to the list.

Following along this line of thought, would it be possible to post the 
newsletters on the Twiki site for future reference, with a possibility 
of  any user requesting those article by email at a later date?

In theory, it sounds good. In practice, I suspect that the people that 
need it most would not read it. It would get treated like the welcome 
message - filed and forgotten.

You might want to think about adding a mailing list just for tips. That 
way, the people that are interested could subscribe, and the people that 
 for what ever reason are not interested will not have to filter out 
extra messages.

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Re: [newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

SnapafunFrank wrote:
I added udev by urpmi sometime after my initial clean installation 
because I was after flexibility for my flash drives. I actually followed 
a Flash USB howto that appeared to work in that particular session but 
afterward it just got to be confused so I resolved to sort it out for 
myself. ( I also installed sysfs and a couple of other requirements at 
the time.)

I'm running Mandrake10 Official ~ KDE-3.2.3 ~ Kernel-2.6.3-7 and have 
stuck with it because I needed to install the OpenGL + nvidia drivers 
for a little 3D experience.

Your reply makes sense and I will look to that shortly, but for now, 
though I can mount data cds and dvds, ( manually ) as user OK , and 
read/write the contents, ~ but I am unable to get my audio cd's playing 
anymore nor does it appear that supermount is actually working, ( I say 
'appear' because things might be going on in the background that I'm not 
privy to yet.)

How are you trying to play audio CDs?
At one time after I had installed udev I used to place a blank dvd in my 
writer and k3b would fire up automatically ~ not at present however.

I believe this is handled by magicdev, but I could be wrong.
I have been following your efforts here and gone the way of symlinks in 
my .rules file and created links to replace things like /mnt/cdrom2 in 
case my system needs to look for that instead of /mnt/dvd-cd when 
relating to /udev/hdd or /dev/hdd ( one and same device of course which 
troubles me a wee bit ~ same device listed twice ~ don't understand this 
part yet. ie. Why is the /dev directory still about when I have 
uninstalled devfsd and issued  devfs=nomount  within lilo? As yet ' 
the penny ain't dropped ' on this one.)

The /dev directory will stay unless you delete it. (I don't recomend 
that!). The /dev directory entries should still work. They are used 
during boot, before udev is started, and the udev file system is 
mounted. With Mandrake 10.1, the udev file system is mounted on top of 
/dev. This has the affect of hiding the old entries, while still leting 
commands that expect to find the device nodes in /dev still work.
So a question to get me started here ~ how can I check that supermount 
is working ? eg. is there some way to log it's efforts so as to get some 
clues for troubleshooting ? )

ps ax | grep supermount
mount | grep supermount
The first should show you if supermount is running, and the second 
should show any active supermount mounts.

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Re: [newbie] Failed logins and access

Leroy Britton wrote:
Yes that will log failed logon attempts, now can you tell me how to log 
failed access attempts? I need to log any access attempts that result in 
Permission Denied.

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Leroy Britton wrote:
I am new to Linux.  I have Mandrake 9.1 running and would like to 
know how I can log failed logins and failed file access attempts.

Failed logins will show up in /var/log/auth.log, along with other 
security information. If you run, as root, touch /var/log/btmp, then 
you can also run lastb to get a listing of bad logins.

Mikkel

I am not sure that can be done. Maybe if you explained what you are 
trying to do, we could come up with something that will work.

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Re: [newbie] can't find /udev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

SnapafunFrank wrote:
My /dev/hdc is a symlink to /udev/hdc and /udev lists /hdc so that is
loaded.

Yet when I go :
# mount /dev/hdc
or
# mount /udev/hdc
I get the above message
My fstab entry for this is:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto
0 0

and I have tried:
none /mnt/dvd-rw supermount
dev=/udev/hdc,fs=auto,exec,--,umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,noatime,codepage=850,noauto
0 0

so something is not working correctly:
I also have before this call:
none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
Any ideas anyone ?
PS. Once I get the above resolved could someone tell what the - - in
the mount options mean

and also
what the none at the beginning actual does and of course how is it
over~ridden.

All the reading I have done hasn't explained these two points to me as yet.

Your DVD is being handled by supermount. What this is susposed to do is
when a disk is inserted in the drive, it gets mounted automaticly.

The reasion you could not mount it using the device name is because you
do not have a fstab entry that starts with /dev/hdc, and /dev/hdc is not
a mount point used in an ftab entry. If you had tried mount
/mnt/dvd-rw it probably would have worked.

One thig I am a bit puzzeled about it the /udev directory. What version
of Mandrake are you using? Did you add udev yourself, or was it part of
the install? Was this a fresh install, or an upgrage?

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Re: [newbie] cd into file

Ronald J. Hall wrote:
On Sunday 27 March 2005 03:57 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

Did you create that Linux Stuff directory in Konqueror ?
If so, the command shell probably won't see it.  The shell doesn't
like spaces in file names.
You could try to rename that directory to i.e. Linux_Stuff or some
such.
HTH
Kaj Haulrich.

Guess I've been lucky but I've never had trouble with filenames with spaces 
under Linux. 

UNIX in general, including Linux, does not normaly like spaces in file 
names. If you stick to GUI tools, you may not run into any problems. But 
when you are typing in the names yourself, especialy with the CLI tools, 
you have to ether escape the space, or quote the name. This is because a 
space is normaly the seperator between file names, or parts of a command.

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Re: [newbie] Location of a driver for a softmodem?

Teilhard Knight wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Teilhard Knight wrote:
The Alsa distribution contain a module which is the driver for my
laptop (soft)modem. It was in the form snd-atiixp-modem.ko.gz in
the directory /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12mdksmp/kernel/sound/pci. Now,
I decompressed it and put it in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12mdksmp/modem
and ran modprobe snd-atiixp-modem.ko, and I get module
snd-atiixp-modem.ko not found. Then
I tried to put it several places, but I always get the same result.
Do you know where I should put snd-atiixp-modem.ko in order to be
able to load it? I need my modem because I will not always be at
home and not always will have a wireless connection.
Teilhard.
First - you did not need to decompress it. The kernel decompresses
the modules as needed.
Second - you need to run depmod -a so that the new module is added
to the module map modprobe uses.
Third - use snd-atiixp-modem and not snd-atiixp-modem.ko with
modprobe. Modprobe wants the module name, and not the module file
name. So you never use the .ko.gz when giving modprobe the module
to load.

Thanks for taking the time. Some day I will learn enough not to make 
silly questions.

Teilhard.
It was not a silly question. It was just a question with a simple 
answer. Now if only the logic behind the answer were as simple...

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Re: [newbie] questions about reinstall

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Hello
I've been looking at the Twiki for issue relating to reintalling.  I don't 
seem to find my way around there particularly well.

My main question is:  will the boot loader (Lilo) maintain windows access.
Maybe I should also ask:  recommended partitions?  Suppose it needs a new 
thread.

Thanks
Rosemary

Yes, it will maintain the Windows boot entry. The install should also 
create a mount point so that you can access your Windows data. Because 
you have a seperate /home partition, it will also retain your personal 
data if you want it to. Just do not re-format the home partition. You 
can also have it save your extra data partition.

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Re: [newbie] re: newbie df

SnapafunFrank wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Warnings well heeded.  I am almost too scared to do anything in 
Mandrake now - no just kidding.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# fdisk /dev/hda
The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4865.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
Command (m for help): p
Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
 

Please understand my notes to your table here. Is this what you were 
after? Strictly your call here.

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  
System   [ Franks approx partition sizes ]
/dev/hda1   *   1236418988798+   7  
HPFS/NTFS   [19gig ]
/dev/hda22423486519623397+   5  
Extended [20gig ]
/dev/hda524233186 6136798+  83  
Linux[6gig] ~ [ This is your root partition ]
/dev/hda648084854  377496   83  
Linux   [350MB ]
/dev/hda748554865   88326   82  Linux 
swap  [82MB ]
/dev/hda831873326 1124518+  82  Linux 
swap  [1.1gig ]
/dev/hda93327480711896101   83  
Linux [12gig - wow, wish I could afford this much] 
~ [ This is your /home partition ]

Partition table entries are not in disk order
I can breathe now I am out of fdisk!
regards
Rosemary
 

OK Rosemary, I need to study this a little but for now see what I see.
You have a 40gig hard drive:
You have 7 ( note ~ seven ) partitions:
You have only 1 primary partition ~ you ought to have 3 but not 
essential: more about this later.

Not realy. You can have up to 4, but if you use an extended partition, 
it uses 1 primary partition slot.

You have only 1 ( one ) logic partition ~ you are allowed up to 16 last 
I heard:

Each partition in the extended partition is a logical partition. This 
system has 5 logical partitions in the extended partition.
You therefore have 1 ( all you are allowed I believe ) extended 
partition ~ it is within this partition that you have your logic 
partitions:

You have 2 swap partitions ~ no idea why you have two when one is enough 
especially when one of them appears huge.

About the only reasion for the second swap partition would be if using 
Software Suspend. You need a swap partition a bit larger then your 
physical memory to hold the currend system state when you suspend to 
disk. But I don't think too many people are using it yet. But 1.1G does 
look a bit large. On the other hand, the 82MB swap partition is realy 
too small to be usefull...
Generally the rules here are:
No more than 4 primary partitions with only one of them being made an 
extended partition in which you can have up to 16 logic partitions.

You can have as many swap partitions as you like though usually one is 
enough.

Partition numbering is:
primary 1 ~ 4 ( includes the extended partition )
With LBA partitions numbering 5 ~ say 16

Logical partitions, not LBA. LBA is a way of accessing a hard drive, not 
a partition type. (Logical Block Allocation if I remember right...)
The only partitions you have correct here are:
/dev/hda1 *  [ Your WinXP partition and the * means it is bootable ]
/dev/hda1 [ One of  your swap partitions and I say this is correct 
because it appears to be of the correct size ~ Usually no more than 1.5 
times your RAM size if it is under 512MB ]

I think you mean dha8 here, and not hda1.
Now lets take your df printf: [ printf is syntax for echo or in other 
words ~ what you see returned to the screen when you issue a command 
seeking info. ]

FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 5.8G  1.7G  3.9G  30% /[ My rough math for 
the above table isn't to far off here afterall.]

/dev/hda9  12G  170M   12G   2% /home [ You must work out 
what you really will be using here because this is far to big at 
present  ~  only 170MB of 12000MB used so far.]

SO.
Your WinXP partition does not get mounted when you boot up ~ you may 
prefer this but fstab has it entered.

Your hda6 partition doesn't get mounted so we need to discover which 
directory this relates to. [ See below ]

This partition was being mounted on /mnt before we disabled it.
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Re: [newbie] re: newbie df

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Okay - first up:
during the install, I selected the partitions that Mandrake preselected - 
which is what I was advised to do, probably at linuxquestions or another 
forum, or possibly on the installation process itself.

These were:
hda5 (5.8Gb, /, ext)
hda6 (368Mb, /mnt, ext3)
hda9 (11Gb, /home, ext 3)
If this was incorrect, then so be it - I was simply doing what I thought I had 
been advised to do.  There was also swap there somewhere.

I seriously wonder if all this questioning is worth it - your time, and my 
limited knowledge.  I simply want a system that works.  If I have made a 
mistake, okay, then fix it if can be fixed simply, or reinstall.  It seems 
the fix is not simple, and I believe it is time to reinstall.

I am sorry if this disappoints you ... and I am sorry if I have wasted your 
time.  I acknowledge that I probably stuffed up when I attempted to install 
the mouse, however, there were always problems with stalling, even at the 
first install attempt.  I see on other forums that Mandrake is reputed to 
have problems with USB devices.  That may be disputed here - I don't know.

I do know that I need to have a system that works, and if i don't fully 
understand why it didn't, then I can live with that.  I hope you can see my 
point.  I read recently - on the local LUG mailing list I think - that some 
prefer to wrestle with linux, than actually use their system  I *don't* fall 
into that category.

I really am deeply appreciative of your efforts to help, and of other listers 
- but am beginning to wonder if it is going anywhere.

Regards
Rosemary
Rosemary,
 While I would love to take this through to the end, in this case, you 
are probably right about a re-install being the best fix. If I were 
sitting in front of your box, I could probably get everything sorted out 
in less time then it would take to install. But doing it over the list, 
it will probably take at least a few days. I would enjoy the chalange, 
but it is probably not in your best interest. If you had more Linux 
experence, and wanted to learn system repair, that would be different.

 Now, when you re-install, you will want to save your /home partition, 
(hda9) and probably your extra data partition (hda6).

One thing I would do different - you will want hda6 to mount on /data or 
/mnt/data. You do NOT want it on /mnt. If you want, you can just tell 
the installer to leave it alone, and we can help you create a mount 
point for it later.

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Re: [newbie] HD Failure

SOTL wrote:
Hi All
Over the weekend I lost my 3rd HD using MC under Mandrake 10.1 in 2 different 
computers.

In each case MC was being used to search or move a directory that had over 100 
data files with over 2 GB of data.

In the last instance Saturday morning I was transferring a directory with over 
5 GB of data from /home/branch/My_Pictures {Data directory being moved which 
consisted of .jpg files} to /System_Data/My_Picture by the normal method of 
MC file transfer.

In all 3 cases something is wiped out the partition structure. What is unknown 
as at this point the issue is above my knowledge level. 

In the latest incident after discovering that the computer had stall and was 
completely non functional I discovered that the contents of the root  
partition was corrupted. 

At this point it should be noted that there was NO data on this box that was 
not all so on several other boxes so saving HD data was not a consideration.

Attempts to recover and restore the system by installation of Mandrake 10.1 
disk and doing a custom installation where one defined the partition showed 
the existence of all partitions those being
/boot
/
swap
/home
/System_Data

Next stage in set up is to format partitions.
At that point the installation fails with the notice that installation could 
not find the root partation.

Not being content with that I then attempted to reconfigure the partitions to 
one giant HD partition with the intent of reformatting the complete HD and 
then repartitioning the HD.

Results of removing /boot, swap, /home, and /System_Data partations was that 
installation was unable to identify HD giving same error message as 
previously received for root directory.

Two weeks previously I had been using MC to search for a number of test DB 
that I had on the system. These test DB were all of the 1 to 5 line variety 
with names all starting with test-XX where XX was 00 to 20 plus located in 
half a dozen different directories having been written at various times over 
several months. The object was to collect them all into one place. Anyway the 
search criteria was set to start at / and I was searching for test*. Half way 
through one of the directories the computer froze. Closer inspection revealed 
that the root directory was trashed. Attempts to recover showed the same 
conditions as noted above. System configuration unable to find root directory 
and unable to format that directory.

Both of the above incidents occurred in my desktop.
Last October I was attempting to move files using MC in my laptop. Details of 
what I did due to time and conditions are fuzzy so one could say a number of 
things including operator error but then this was followed by two incident 
where more detail observations were made.

Anyway last October the HD showed all the same symptoms as shown above. First 
the root directory departed with installation unable to find the existence of 
that directory and then the rest of the system departed as I attempted to 
recovery from that. At that time I took the HD to a number [if memory serves 
me correct 5 different groups] linux clubs meetings [1 meeting per club]

A number of real Linus and Unix people looked at it with a large variety of 
different tools. The consensus of all was that that HD which did have 
critical non backed up data on it was trashed and beyond salvage.

Thus my conclusion is that if other are having similar experiences that there 
is something that is causing Midnight Commander in Mandrake to do something 
{the details of which are above my knowledge level} that is causing 
partitions to corrupt when MC is placed under heavy search of file transfer 
mode.

If others are not having similar experiences then there must be something 
corrupted in my Mandrake 10.1 disks. This also is something that is not 
unheard of as I had that very issue with Mandrake 9.2 CDs in as much as the 
system would install and run but each installation had a different set of 
unexplainable omissions or failures. This after time was finally tracked down 
to a bad set of CD in as much as those CD would install on some systems and 
not on other identical systems.

Thank
Frank
Frank,
 What do the systems have in common? I suspect a problem with your 
setup, more then a problem with mc. I have used mc for years, on many 
systems, and I have never had that type of problem. I have transfered 
large files, and large numbers of small files, all without problems. I 
have transfered 5GB of files at a time more then once.
 The only time I have seen your type of problem was on a systems with 
other problems/ One system had marginal hardware - it would fail under 
heavy load. The other system had a problem with hard drive geometry. The 
end results were that you could overwrite the extended partition table 
when using too much of the swap partition. I still don't know how the 
guy that set it up managed that...
 A more common cause of corruption is when you have shrunk a Windows 
partition

Re: [newbie] questions about reinstall

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Tuesday 29 Mar 2005 04:12, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Hello
I've been looking at the Twiki for issue relating to reintalling.  I
don't seem to find my way around there particularly well.
My main question is:  will the boot loader (Lilo) maintain windows
access.
Maybe I should also ask:  recommended partitions?  Suppose it needs a new
thread.
Thanks
Rosemary
Yes, it will maintain the Windows boot entry. The install should also
create a mount point so that you can access your Windows data. Because
you have a seperate /home partition, it will also retain your personal
data if you want it to. Just do not re-format the home partition. You
can also have it save your extra data partition.
Mikkel

Thanks.  I'm vacillating now: partly because of your other post, but also 
because I see 10.2 will be available early next month (according to the 
dealer I buy my CDs from).  I'm thinking perhaps I'll wait.

Rosemary

Rosmary,
 If you are going to wait, but you don't realy feel like messing around 
with a lot of stuff in the mean time, we can get you a system that will 
boot, and that you can work with, withoug getting everything working. 
Basicly, you can run a couple of commands, and the system will be back 
to booting.

chkconfig alsa off
chkconfig mail off
These two will turn off the two services that were stopping the boot, so 
you do not need to use the I option. (I believe you said mail was the 
name of the second one giving you problems...)

You may also want to run:
mkdir /data
echo /dev/hda6 /data ext3 defaults 1 2  /etc/fstab
Please note that this is  /etc/fstab and not  /etc/fstab. Or you 
could open /etc/fstab in the editor of your choise and add:

/dev/hda6 /data ext3 defaults 1 2
at the end of the file.
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Re: [newbie] questions about reinstall

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Tuesday 29 Mar 2005 06:01, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosmary,
 If you are going to wait, but you don't realy feel like messing around
with a lot of stuff in the mean time, we can get you a system that will
boot, and that you can work with, withoug getting everything working.
Basicly, you can run a couple of commands, and the system will be back
to booting.

I'm okay about messing around if you think I can follow the instructions 
sufficiently.  I hate to deprive anyone of a challenge :-)

chkconfig alsa off
chkconfig mail off
These two will turn off the two services that were stopping the boot, so
you do not need to use the I option. (I believe you said mail was the
name of the second one giving you problems...)

Yes sendmail  But I am still able to use email.
Ok - then it would be:
chkconfig sendmail off
You can also do this from MCC in System -- Services.
You may also want to run:
mkdir /data
echo /dev/hda6 /data ext3 defaults 1 2  /etc/fstab
Please note that this is  /etc/fstab and not  /etc/fstab. Or you
could open /etc/fstab in the editor of your choise and add:
/dev/hda6 /data ext3 defaults 1 2
at the end of the file.
Mikkel

I haven't done any of this yet.  Do I do it if I'm going to do the messing 
around?  The other thing that has happened is that I can no longer access 
packages on CDROM.  It whirrs away and stops when I press enter (in Konsole 
doing urpmi).

Rosemary
Well, turning off alsa and sendmail will let you boot into Linux without 
having to use the I option. It will make life a bit easyer for you. 
Chancesa re, you do not need Sendmail running anyway. It is for more for 
people that have their own domain name, and want to run their own mail 
server. It both accepts incomming mail from the Internet, and will send 
mail from your system ether directly to the mail server of the person 
you are sending to, or relayed through another email server, depending 
on how you set it up. (Setting up Sendmail in not a job fo a newbie...) 
If you have the program you use for reading mail (kmail, Thunderbird, 
Mozilla Mail, etc) set up to use your ISP's mail server, then you do not 
need sendmail.

The change to /etc/fstab will let you access the files you have there. I 
am not sure what you have stored there, but you may want it. Just 
editing fstab will not have any affect untill you reboot, unless you run 
mount /data as root.

Now, the problem with your CD is another story. It would probably be 
better to make that a seperate message. I have to find what I did with 
your fstab listing to double check what should be going on, and then we 
can try and figure out what is realy going on.

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Re: [newbie] CDROM no longer working

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Yesterday I noticed I could not access packages on CD1 while in konsole doing 
urpmi.  This is a new problem.  I put the CD in, heard the whirring, but as 
soon as I pressed 'enter' it stopped.  Didn't get any message I think.

In Konqueror - attempted to mount a CD to look at photos (which I've been able 
to do previously).
The message I get is:
mount: mount point /mnt/cdrom does not exist.  Please check that the disk is 
entered correctly.  The file or folder /mnt/cdrom does not exist.

This may relate to the other problems I am having.
Rosemary

Easy fix. As root, run mkdir /mnt/cdrom. All will be good.
I broke this when I had you change how /dev/hda6 got mounted. It may 
have broke a couple of other things. The reasion is that the mount 
points for other things must have been created after hda6 was mounted on 
/mnt. With /dev/hda6 no longer mounted there, then mount point is missing.

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Re: [newbie] Editing files as SU with Kword

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 26 Mar 2005 17:53, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
The reason has to do with X server security. Normally, only the user
that owns the current X secession can have programs connect to it.
Starting an X based program requires that it connect to an X server.
Now, the user that is logged to the GUI owns the current X secession.
He/she/it has the keys needed to connect in their home directory. If
you use su to change to another user, the keys are still there. But
if you use su -, or if you change the envirement, then you no longer
have the keys, and the X server will not let you connect. Running
xhost + localhost or xhost localhost tells the X server that any
program on localhost can connect without needing the keys. This is ok
for a home system, but is a security risk on a more open system.
That sounds logical, Mikkel, except for two things.  One - it doesn't always 
happen when you try to edit a file as root, and two - it sometimes happens 
when you are working as user!

Anne

Anne,
 I don't know what to tell you. The only thing running
xhost + localhost or xhost localhost does is allow any X based 
program on localhost to connect to the X server. The only reasion a 
user would need this would be in the XAUTHORITY shell varable was 
changed or missing. This should only happen if they start a new login 
shell. You can set the different term programs to start that way, but 
this is not the default.

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Re: [newbie] CDROM no longer working

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Tuesday 29 Mar 2005 08:29, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Easy fix. As root, run mkdir /mnt/cdrom. All will be good.
I broke this when I had you change how /dev/hda6 got mounted. It may
have broke a couple of other things. The reasion is that the mount
points for other things must have been created after hda6 was mounted on
/mnt. With /dev/hda6 no longer mounted there, then mount point is missing.
Mikkel

Fixed now.  I can mount CDs and see photos, and play music.  Yes - I have 
sound.

Thanks
Rosemary

Life is good. I guess you are not using ALSO for your sound. This makes 
me wonder why it was trying to start. I guess it could be that the last 
time you ran harddrake it changed something in the sound config, so that 
ALSO was not handling the sound drivers any more, but left it still 
trying to run. Not a good thing.

Is you are fealing brave, you could try plugging in your USB card 
reader, and seeing if it works now. It wouldn't susprise me if it did.

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Re: [newbie] CDROM no longer working

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Tuesday 29 Mar 2005 09:39, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Tuesday 29 Mar 2005 08:29, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Easy fix. As root, run mkdir /mnt/cdrom. All will be good.
I broke this when I had you change how /dev/hda6 got mounted. It may
have broke a couple of other things. The reasion is that the mount
points for other things must have been created after hda6 was mounted on
/mnt. With /dev/hda6 no longer mounted there, then mount point is
missing.
Mikkel
Fixed now.  I can mount CDs and see photos, and play music.  Yes - I have
sound.
Thanks
Rosemary
Life is good. I guess you are not using ALSO for your sound. This makes
me wonder why it was trying to start. I guess it could be that the last
time you ran harddrake it changed something in the sound config, so that
ALSO was not handling the sound drivers any more, but left it still
trying to run. Not a good thing.
Is you are fealing brave, you could try plugging in your USB card
reader, and seeing if it works now. It wouldn't susprise me if it did.
Mikkel

Not sure what to expect as have only used it in Windows where a dialogue 
window comes up with options (once it is plugged in with card in), and the 
green light on the card reader flashes when the photos are being uploaded.

I went into gwenview to see if I could see anything - couldn't, but my process 
could be incorrect.  Don't know if this helps or not

[EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]$ cat sysconfig/hotplug
# This file contains defaults for hotplug
#
# HOTPLUG_RC_$SUBSYSTEM controls whether subsystem is started by
# hotplug rc script (cold plugging)
#
# SUBSYSTEM currently is usb, input, ieee1394, scsi.
HOTPLUG_RC_usb=yes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]$
I may just need to learn to mount it?
Rosemary

Well, if you are running KDE, you should get a new desktop icon when you 
plug it in. From the CLI, there should be ether /mnt/removable or 
/mnt/camera with the device already mounted on it. If not, you could try:

mkdir /mnt/camera
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera
If that does not work, then run usbview and see if it is being detected...
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Re: [newbie] USB Wireless - Solved!

Mr. Geek wrote:
Miark wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:16:23 -0500, Mr. wrote:

Has anyone had any success getting a USB Wireless adapter to
work? I'm considering buying one for my HP laptop because the
reception would stink if I bought the Mini-PCI card that HP
can provide.

I have a Syntax USB-400 that I bough new for less than $10. It
has a Prism chipset, so it works great. No ndiswrapper needed.
But why not use a CardBus NIC instead? It would be a bit more
convenient than a USB NIC.
Miark

Well cover me with pollen and stick me in a bee's nest. To tell you the 
truth Miark, I was under the impression that this laptop didn't have a 
Cardbus slot until a few minutes ago.

There was a weird-looking slot on the side that didn't resemble a 
Cardbus slot, but I had a look inside and it has a single internal 
CardBus connector.

Instead of the usual two slots (one on top of the other), it has a pair 
of flaps (one swings up and another one swings down when you insert a 
card - or a finger for that matter), and the opening is double-height, 
but it only has the one set of connectors inside.

I was convinced that it was some type of Flash card slot, but it seems 
that it's CardBus alright. Serves me right for not looking farther.

I'll repost to get some recommendations on a good CardBus unit.
That sounds like a type III PCMCIA socket. It will accept type I, II, 
and III cards. I have the same thing on my Thinkpad. I wish they had 
went with 2 type II sockets instead. I could still use it for a type III 
PCMCIA hard drive when I needed it, but there are times when I want to 
use more then one type II card. But it is still better then some of the 
new laptops that only have one type II sockets.

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Re: [newbie] HD Failure

SOTL wrote:
On Monday 28 March 2005 12:30, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
What file system were you using?
How is the power source the systems are connected to? 

The laptop is battery powered but was plugged into the wall.
The MSI box is not currently connected to a UPS.

I have one 
location that I have to use a power condictioner, a UPS that does VAR,
or a constant voltage transformer if I want systems to keep working. The
voltage there dips low enough to give systems under load problems. I get
lockups, but file corruption wouldn't suprise me.

Nothing concerning power source would supprise me here in Tampa. Tampa is the 
leading capital of lightning in the US.


If you don't mind risking a test system again, try doing the same
transfere using tar or cp instead of mc, and see if you get the same
problem.
Mikkel

I hate to say this but testing to see if I can burn up another HD is not 
exactly something I desire to do.

As far as the issue with the other HD I will continue to play with it.

From your post, it sounded like you only had file system corruption, 
and not hardware damage. Have you tried running the manufactures tests 
on the drive to see what they say? You can probably do a complete erase 
using their utilities, and have a drive you can partition again.

One thing I have found handy is to have a CD image of the drive in the 
test system. I make one using the SystemRescueCD or Norton Ghost of a 
fresh install + updates, before I start playing with it. That way, if 
worst comes to worst, I just start a restore going, and go do other 
things. Depending on the setup, I may have to come back to swap CDs, but 
other then that, it is a hands off install. If you have the hard drive 
space on a server, you can have the image saved to a hard drive, and 
restore across the network.

When I get some space time, I want to set up a PXE boot so I can restore 
everything over the network just by selecting Network from the system 
boot menu, or the BIOS. It shouldn't be much different then the setup I 
used to play with using Etherboot and boot EPROMS in a couple of network 
cards...

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Re: [newbie] Um, Cardbus Wireless recommendations

Mr. Geek wrote:
Can someone suggest a good Cardbus wireless card for me? I'm hoping to 
get a Wireless G card for my HP laptop, especially now that I found 
the cardbus slot!

As I understand it, wireless G will allow me to connect to 802.11 'B'  
'G' enabled networks with speeds up to 54Mbps, so this is preferred to 
either 'B' or 'A' cards.

Even so, I'd still prefer one that can use Linux native drivers and has 
no need of the ndiswrapper package.

I'm running KDE 3.4 on ML - Limited Edition 2005 (read as Cooker) with a
2.6.11-6mdksmp kernel on an HP ZD7000 laptop with a 3.2Ghz Full P4 (with 
Hyper-Threading, of course!), and 512MB's of Ram.

Theoretically, that should do the trick if I can find a good card for 
it. I'd appreciate it if someone could also suggest the right wireless 
packages for setting up the card.

That's probably asking a lot, but what the heck,...it's worth a try!
TIA.
You might want to take a look at http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_linux_types.html
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Re: [newbie] Failed logins and access

Leroy Britton wrote:
I am new to Linux.  I have Mandrake 9.1 running and would like to know 
how I can log failed logins and failed file access attempts.

Failed logins will show up in /var/log/auth.log, along with other 
security information. If you run, as root, touch /var/log/btmp, then 
you can also run lastb to get a listing of bad logins.

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Re: [newbie] Location of a driver for a softmodem?

2005-03-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Teilhard Knight wrote:
The Alsa distribution contain a module which is the driver for my laptop
(soft)modem. It was in the form snd-atiixp-modem.ko.gz in the directory
/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12mdksmp/kernel/sound/pci. Now, I decompressed it and
put it in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12mdksmp/modem and ran modprobe
snd-atiixp-modem.ko, and I get module snd-atiixp-modem.ko not found. 
Then
I tried to put it several places, but I always get the same result. Do you
know where I should put snd-atiixp-modem.ko in order to be able to load it?
I need my modem because I will not always be at home and not always will
have a wireless connection.

Teilhard.
First - you did not need to decompress it. Teh kernel decompresses the 
modules as needed.

Second - you need to run depmod -a so that the new module is added to 
the module map modprobe uses.

Third - use snd-atiixp-modem and not snd-atiixp-modem.ko with 
modprobe. Modprobe wants the module name, and not the module file name. 
So you never use the .ko.gz when giving modprobe the module to load.

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Re: [newbie] Booting in I mode - attn Mikkel/Frank - originally USB card reader thread

2005-03-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Hi Mikkel
Finally remembered your email and went back and tried the above.  I am 
in Mandrake after not starting ALSA.  It also hung at starting 
sendmail so delected that too.

Yes I had a problem booting a while back when following some 
instructions to attempt to get a USB mouse going.  I had the same 
problems with the boot stalling at ALSA.  I booted with mouse pugged in 
and CD1 in and selected upgrade  Can't remember all details now, but 
when got a desktop it was strange - too bigger icons etc and if the 
mouse was moved, the area under the cursor seemed to be obliterated.  I 
rebooted and got the same, noticed the new entry so booted to that out 
of curiosity.  The new entry had not been there before. I put the PS2 
adapter on the mouse and changed the selection and it worked.  I have 
been booting to that new numbered entry ever since - on the rare 
ocassions I do boot.

When I attempted the first install of Mandrake there was an issue also - 
where it said proceeding, please wait, but nothing happened.  Came to 
the list for advice had to unplug USB devices to get it to install.

Wonder if this will be sent seeing as deselected 'sendmail!
Rosemary

Rosemary,
 This give me some things to think about. It will probably be sometime 
Monday before I get back to you. Have a happy Easter.

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Re: [newbie] df table file

2005-03-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

SnapafunFrank wrote:
RickSisler wrote:
SnapafunFrank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 

When within my system I issue the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  714M  203M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.8G  693M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  312M  656M  33% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  2.0G  8.8G  19% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  712M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
I get a summary of all my partitions AND their names.
However, I'm unable to do this when I'm NOT within the system:
So, is there a file on the system that could simply give me this info by
simply reading it ?
  
Hi,
the *df* command reports free disk space from all mounted file
systems. So take a look at /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab which will give 
you the
names and mount points your looking for.
For more info.. man mount, fstab and df 

Hopefully helpfull ..
 

Thanks for that RickS but as I stated above, the fstab on the system I'm 
trying to recover is somewhat unreliable.

( It starts that its mount point for one partition is /mnt for example. )
At present I'm even unaware of how many partitions that system has.
There are long ways of finding out but you have given me another place 
to look before I go there with tomsrtbt.

Again, your input is greatly appreciated.
The names are generated by whare they are mounted. This is controlled by 
/etc/mtab in the root partition, and is also reflected in /proc/mounts. 
The names will be different if you boot from a CD, and mount them, or if 
you move the drive to a different system. On a working system, the space 
information is calculated by the kernel.

You can get where things would normaly be mounted by looking in 
/etc/fstab on the root partition. If you had booted from a CD, and 
/dev/hda5 were mounted on /mnt, then the file would be /mnt/etc/fstab. 
(The rescue mode of the install cd has the option of mounting all the 
partition on /mnt, so that what would normaly be mounted on /mnt/empty 
would end up mounted on /mnt/mnt/empty, and so forth.

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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Okay - I tried this.  At the cd it said home not set so I added / 
after looking down at the vi instructions - hope that was right, now 
thinking it should have been ~!  Anyway - rebooted and it stalled at 
ALSA again.

In windows explore2fs, now see only hda2, hda3 and hda6.  In hda2 
fstab.save shows this:

/dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto 
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0

Rosemary
Hi Rosemary,
 Yes, it should have been cd / and not cd. The reasion for that is 
so that your current directory is not inside the partition you are 
trying to unmount. Otherwise you would get a message about the partition 
being in use. While you could do a shutdown without unmounting the 
partition, and probably not have any problems, I like to play it safe 
when working remotely.
 End result - we have a tempary fix for one source of trouble. But we 
still have the origional problem. The next step is to see if we can 
isolate it a bit. We have a couple of ways to go here. MOre then I had 
thought we would, because of the boot menu choice you use to boot the 
system. You have said that you are not using the linux entry to boot 
the system. Was there a problem where the system would not boot when you 
used that option?

Things to try:
 Boot with the linux-nonfb option, and see if that makes a difference.
 Try the I (interactive) option when booting, and do not start ALSA. 
Does the system boot then? This should give you a system without sound.
The hit I for interactive boot is displayed as part of the boot 
messages. If you normaly have the bootsplash screen with the progress 
bar showing when booting, you will have to hit the Esc key to see the 
messages. There is a fairly long period between when the message is 
displayed, and when you actualy enter the interactive mode. It does 
several things after displaying the message, before it reaches the 
decision point. (Display message, do other things while giving the user 
time to react, then check for user responce. No user timeout delay.)

 If the system boots fine without ALSA starting, then we can work on 
getting ALSA fixed. If it doesn't, then we know the problem is elseware. 
From the way the problem apeared, I suspect that there may be an 
interupt sharing problem between the sound card and the USB interface, 
but this is just a guess at this point.

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Re: [newbie] Assistance from newbies needed

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:

rikona wrote:
Hello newbies,
I'd appreciate comments regarding the utility of the following:
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/EmerGencies
Is it helpful? Is it understandable? What else would be most helpful
to a newcomer? [given the VERY limited space available] What do you
think?


Once I heard about it I found it helpful.  Although even once I knew 
about it, I did find actually finding what I need difficult.  For 
example Mikkel mentioned using rescue and console, and i could not find 
it.  Came across it from your link.  That may mean I am dense at 
navigating this site :-)

The other thing I think would be good - if would be Mandrake users 
would find this when googling.  I used places like linuxquestions etc, 
but a dedicated link might be helpful?

I've found this list to be helpful beyond expectation - thank you all
Rosemary

I guess we will have to restructure the Restoring the Boot Loader 
section into a more general Using the Rescue Mode of the Install CD. 
It is not may favorite tool, but it is one that users will have.

It has been a wile sence I have read the Welcome to Newbie list 
message, but isn't there a link to the TWiki site in the message?

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Re: [newbie] Editing files as SU with Kword

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 26 Mar 2005 15:51, Simon wrote:
I cannot open files in order to edit them when I am in Konqueror as SU. I
get an error message :KDEInit could not launch 'kwrite'
I do have Kwrite installed.
Any ideas please.
Thanks,
Simon.

Yes - I've no idea why it happens, but the cure is simple.  In a root console, 
type
xhost + localhost
and all will be well again.

Anne

The reason has to do with X server security. Normally, only the user 
that owns the current X secession can have programs connect to it. 
Starting an X based program requires that it connect to an X server. 
Now, the user that is logged to the GUI owns the current X secession. 
He/she/it has the keys needed to connect in their home directory. If 
you use su to change to another user, the keys are still there. But 
if you use su -, or if you change the envirement, then you no longer 
have the keys, and the X server will not let you connect. Running 
xhost + localhost or xhost localhost tells the X server that any 
program on localhost can connect without needing the keys. This is ok 
for a home system, but is a security risk on a more open system.

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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

SnapafunFrank wrote:
Hi Mikkel:
Rosemary has sent me directly some info which I think you ought to be 
privy to.

Her lilo.conf gives the devfs=nomount append only on the one she 
appears able to boot with. ( albeit that it stalls at ALSA later )

Her append lines also include  resume=/mnt/hda8 which is a new one for 
me, so I'm off to learn something about that one.

This is used for software suspend. It is the swap partition where the 
information needed to restore the system from suspend is stored. It 
probably isn't being used.
Hope this helps us help Rosemary, I'm learning heaps off things I did'nt 
need to know before, so am staying very interested in helping Rosemary out.

Definitly more to think about.
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Re: [newbie] VNC Server startup script

2005-03-25 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Derek Jennings wrote:
On Friday 25 March 2005 13:34, DAN WALKER wrote:
My vnc server now sort of works! I set the password,
edited hosts.allow and my pc side now asks me for a
password and presents me with a red screen. The
problem I have is that it looks as though it has
nothing to do when it opens the window. It sits there
with the X style (not kde or gnome) watch icon. This
is what is in '/root/.vnc/xstartup': (between the
***'s)
***
#!/bin/sh
# Mandrake Linux VNC session startup script
exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
***

You are allowing remote users to log in as root. As you know logging in as 
root is discouraged. It is a security risk.

Assuming you used the Mandrake tightvnc-server package then you have a set up 
file for your vnc server in /etc/sysconfig/vncservers
This file defines the servers to be started when you boot.
The line
VNCSERVERS=1:myusername
will start a vnc server on screen one with the user name 'myusername'

chkconfig vncserver on  service vncserver start
will start the vnc service automatically at boot.
In your example you are starting the vnc server with 
'exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc' if you look in that file you will see it is 
going to start X without a Window Manager. 

In my 10.1 setup, the last line of this file is:
exec /etc/X11/Xsession $*
This is the script that normaly starts X. If a desktop is not specified 
when calling the script, it will use the one in the user's home 
directory .desktop, if there is one, or the one specified in 
/etc/sysconfig/desktop.

To start in  KDE for example in your /home/myusername/.vnc/xstartup file put
startkde 
To start fluxbox put
fluxbox 
to start IceWm put
icewm 
HTH
derek
With the problem he is having, I suspect that there may not be any 
window manager installed. For that matter, xterm and rxvt may not be 
installed.

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Re: [newbie] package manager for 10.1

2005-03-25 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Bill Winegarden wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone recommend a package manager for 10.1 that allows me to look inside 
the rpm file to view folders and files. I liked kpackage in the older 
versions but I can't find it's equivalent.

tia,
Bill W.

I use Mignight Commander (mc) for this.
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Re: [newbie] MySQL File Location

2005-03-24 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

SOTL wrote:
Well I change the datadir in mysql-max and I have generated numerous versions 
of my.cnf directing MySQL to my desired directory each change causing  MySQL 
refused to run. So I keep playing around with mysql-max and found that there 
is a second place where the config file does a test of the datadir so I 
changed that. At that point MySQL would open and did switch data directories. 
Continued to play with MySQL, making and deleting DB et. i.e. all the things 
a newbie does with a book and a new program. Then, I shut the box down for 
the night and went home. It is after all only a test box at this time but it 
is damn noise so to keep the piece down it goes. Anyway, firing it up the 
next afternoon I was amassed to discover that MySQL would not open with the 
same old error message that it could not find the data directory. I the reset 
the data directory to the original settings and MySQL again started working. 
So, there are at least 3 places that you MUST change the data directory at in 
configuration files in order to change the data directory. Best best is to do 
it by symbolic link as no newbie is going to figure out how to do it in 
configuration files. My only comment: How quaint, how 1950s that there 
exist programs in which one can not select the data directory. 

Frank
PS. Thanks for the help. It is definitely appreciated. 

Frank,
 One thing to keep in mind, when changing things in the file in 
/etc/rc.d/init.d - You have to stop and restart MySQL before they take 
effect. The values in the script are only read at startup. You should 
probably learn about the service command. If you are using mysql, then 
you would run service mysql start to start it, service mysql stop to 
stop it, and service mysql restart to test your changes. If you use 
mysql-max, then use that in mlace of mysql in the service command.
 You may also be having a problem because on not understanding how the 
script works. Not every instruction in the script get run. It does 
tests, and if a value is set, then it skips part of the code. This is 
why you see references to /etc/my.cnf in the script, even though 
creating or changing this file has no affect on MySQL. This is because 
that part of the script does not get accessed on a Mandrake box. So you 
will want to be carefull aboout changing things in the script. The 
values that you would want to change are always at the beginning of the 
line, and normaly have a comment block before them.

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Re: [newbie] i586 v's i686

2005-03-24 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Pete Moscatt wrote:
What's the difference between i585 and i686 which I see in some of the filename 
of
some RPM's ?
Pete
Well, assuming that i585 is a typo, and shoud be i586, the it is the 
processor the RPM is optimised for. A i586 will run on a Pemtium (or 
equivelent) and newer processor, but an i686 requires a Pentium II or 
newer. There are also i486, k6 and athlon RPMs, but you don't see them 
as often. i386 are the most common type, and will run on anyting from a 
386 to a P4. There are two places where using software optimised for a 
specific processor pay off the most. The kernel, and the glibc libraries.

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Re: [newbie] OT: How to mount a Windows partition ~ OOps ~ error ~ tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )

SnapafunFrank wrote:
riccardo wrote:
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 06:22 pm, David Anderson wrote:
 

I want to be able to mount hda1 and sda1 and copy files from one to
the other
  

~ if, I get the drift . . . you have booted from CD and neither hda1 
nor sda1 are mounted?


So ~ make an extra mount point/directory called, say :  /mnt2
[ say your file systems are Reiser type ]
__
mount -t reiser /dev/hda1 /mnt
next:
mount  -t reiser /dev/sda1 /mnt2
then, cd to /mnt
finally, as root, give the command :
tar clf - . | ( umask 0; cd /mnt2; tar xvf - )
..
best rgds
_
 

Sorry to butt in here, and I am only a newbie so treat my thoughts with 
caution, but would not hda actually refer to the cd itself in this case?
Can't remember, but I did have some like type issue when I last did a 
hard drive back up this way. Remember having to use some other
commands to actually see the hard drive in the finish. Still, Mephis may 
be more friendly this way, so to check it out do attempt to look inside
the partition to see whether or not you recognize any of your window files.

Now off to study riccardo's commands to see what I can learn from them.
hda - Master device on first IDE interface (ide0)
hdb - Slave device on first IDE interface (ide1)
hdc - Master device on second IDE interface (ide2)
hdd - Slave device on second IDE interface (ide3)
hde - Master device on third IDE interface
hdf - Slave device on third IDE interface
...
Depending on your BIOS, it may only have numbers for the devices on the 
first two IDE interfaces.  The sirst IDE interface is sometimes called 
the primary and the second one the secondary IDE interface.

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Re: [newbie] SCSI card install for Trust Scanner.

Malcolm Candlish wrote:
On Tuesday 22 Mar 2005 17:14, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Malcolm Candlish wrote:
Hi,
The system I  use is Mandrake 10.1  86_64 .
I used insmod to install module dmx3191d.ko for my scsi card which is
necessary for my Trust Scanner.
However I get the following return:-
'-1 Unknown symbol in module.'
Should I make a kernel bug report to to Linux, or is something else not
appropriate.
With thanks,
Malcolm Candlih.
Before thinking of making a bug report, try using modprobe inplace of
insmod. The difference is that modprobe will load any modules that
your modules needs in order to work, while insmod just tries to load the
module you specified. The way things are structured, it is not unusual
for 2 or 3 modules to need to be loaded for a driver to work. In this
case, you probably need a common SCSI modules as well as the basic
driver module. The reasion the common module code is in a seperate
module is that it is used by many different modules, and will be shared
by them if you have more then one loaded.
modprobe dmx3191d
Mikkel

Dear Mikkel,
I tried a you suggested with the following reult:-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] malcolm]# /sbin/modprobe 
'/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12.5mdk/kernel/drivers/scsi/dmx3191d.ko'
FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12.5mdk/kernel/drivers/scsi/dmx3191d.ko not 
found.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] malcolm]# /sbin/insmod 
'/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12.5mdk/kernel/drivers/scsi/dmx3191d.ko'
insmod: error inserting 
'/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12.5mdk/kernel/drivers/scsi/dmx3191d.ko': -1 Unknown 
symbol in module

Under insmod '-1 Unknown symbol in module', and under modprobe 'not 
found' even though I included the full path!

I don't know of any other modules that could be needed.
Thank you, I do appreciate your kind input.
Malcolm Candlish.
Try modprobe dmx3191d instead. That is the form needed for modprobe. 
It will use the modules for the currently running kernel.

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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

SnapafunFrank wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file.
Here it is
/dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto 
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0

Regards
Rosemary

This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is 
mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on 
/mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this 
directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your 
Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to 
see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all 
kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets 
mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. 
I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not 
be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory 
in the base directory on hda6.

What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, 
drop to the console, and run:

mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
cd /mnt/etc
mv fstab fstab.save
grep -v hda6 fstab.save  fstab
cd
umount /mnt
reboot
What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what 
is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to 
fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 
line in it.

If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with 
grep, and renaming files, use this instead.

mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
cd /mnt/etc
cp fstab fstab.save
vi fstab
   move down to line starting /dev/hda6
   Enter i#Esc
   Enter :wq
cd /
umount /mnt
eboot
For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. 
Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is 
putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not 
realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe.

Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we 
will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should 
be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should 
not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to 
get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!)

Mikkel

OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about 
this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be 
able to follow the logic you mention.

First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and 
wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The 
directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow
linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would 
be something like  /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win  with  win  being the 
partition and not  mnt .

I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask 
how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give 
us the same result we can get
when we issue:

# df
when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5 966M  711M  206M  78% /
/dev/hda1 966M   14M  903M   2% /boot
/dev/hda6 9.4G  5.1G  4.0G  57% /usr
/dev/hda8 9.4G  8.7G  730M  93% /home
/dev/hda91020M  303M  666M  32% /var
/dev/hda3  12G  1.3G  9.5G  13% /mnt/empty
/dev/hda4 3.4G  2.7G  713M  80% /mnt/win_h
/dev/hdb2  16M  2.3M   13M  16% /mnt/hdb2_boot
/dev/hdb5  92M   55M   33M  63% /mnt/hdb5_root
/dev/hdb6  92M   62M   25M  72% /mnt/hdb6_var
/dev/hdb7 3.1G  1.9G  1.1G  64% /mnt/hdb7_usr
/dev/hdb9 1.5G  1.4G  151M  91% /mnt/hdb9_home
/dev/hdb1  14G   13G  1.2G  92% /mnt/win_c2
 From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for 
/etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, 
floppies, etc.

[ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you 
described above and take her step by step through
the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ]

But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ?  Your 
thoughts here also please.

Thinking back on some other posts of hers, I think it should be /data 
instead of /mnt.

I am not sure how to explain about what would be going on here - it is 
not a newbie topic, as the logic is a bit hard to follow. The things is, 
you can use ANY directory as a mount

Re: [newbie] MySQL File Location

SOTL wrote:
del
Hi All  Derek and Mikkel
Thanks for the information.
Derek sorry I did not mean to be insulting. 
I simply do not understand and am very happy for your help which I thank you 
very much for.

I have checked I do not have a file called S90MySQL in any location. I 
especially checked that it does NOT exist at /etc/rc5.d/S90mysql.
Nor do I have a file /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql.

What I do have is a file /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql-max.
I had taken a look at this file earlier but dismissed it assuming that it is 
not the correct file. MySQL-Max was placed on both boxes at one point in time 
and the removed. On reinstallation of MySQL standard MySQL was installed not 
MySQL-Max.  This may be the source of the configuration file issue.

Currently both boxes have MySQL installed. 

I have printed the MySQL-Max file and it is a 4  1/2 pages #10 font program 
which I can read some of - not much since I am not a programmer. One 
interesting thing I did notice is that it refers to checking a configuration 
file called my.cnf which I do not have.

As I know that I do not have the technical expertize to create a my.cnf file I 
would appreciate someone sending me a copy of a simple one that functions. 

Thanks
Frank
The mysql or mysql-max files are the scripts used to start mysql. There 
are a few config options in the file. The important one for your is the 
line:

datadir=/var/lib/mysql
If you want your mysql data someplace other then /var/lib/mysql, then 
you will need to chege this line. You will want to create a my.cnf file 
in this directory. It can be an empty file. The script fills in the 
missing entries with usable defaults.

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Re: [newbie] Invalid signatures on upgrade files

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All
I was upgrading my copy of Mandrake 10.1 via a download I made of the 
update directory on ftp.u-strasbg.fr and I get the following error:

glibc-devel-2.3.3-23.1.101mdk.I586.rpm: invalid signature (sha1 md5 
)(GPG)(MISSING KEY) GPG# 22458a98 NOT OK

I am getting a lot of these.
I have a bunch of computers to update so I downloaded the entire 
directory of 
pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/devel/community/I586/media/main
including the files hdlist.cz and synthesis.hdlist.cz and the directory 
media_info.

I downloaded a few of the files again just to make sure there wasn't a 
problem and they downloaded fine but the error remained.

Is this something I should worry about or does this happen on some sites?
Thanks for the help
Robert Dill
Exactly how did you download these files? Unless I am reading the errors 
reported wrong, you are getting wrong size, bad md5sum as well as GPG 
signiture error. That says the downloaded file is totaly messed up. 
Ether that, or you don't have read access to it.

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Re: [newbie] SCSI card install for Trust Scanner.

Malcolm Candlish wrote:
Hi,
The system I  use is Mandrake 10.1  86_64 .
I used insmod to install module dmx3191d.ko for my scsi card which is 
necessary for my Trust Scanner.

However I get the following return:-
'-1 Unknown symbol in module.'
Should I make a kernel bug report to to Linux, or is something else not 
appropriate.

With thanks,
Malcolm Candlih.
Before thinking of making a bug report, try using modprobe inplace of 
insmod. The difference is that modprobe will load any modules that 
your modules needs in order to work, while insmod just tries to load the 
module you specified. The way things are structured, it is not unusual 
for 2 or 3 modules to need to be loaded for a driver to work. In this 
case, you probably need a common SCSI modules as well as the basic 
driver module. The reasion the common module code is in a seperate 
module is that it is used by many different modules, and will be shared 
by them if you have more then one loaded.

modprobe dmx3191d
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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file.
Here it is
/dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto 
umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0

Regards
Rosemary

This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is 
mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on 
/mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this 
directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your 
Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see 
exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds 
of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted 
before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not 
sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be 
susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the 
base directory on hda6.

What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, 
drop to the console, and run:

mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
cd /mnt/etc
mv fstab fstab.save
grep -v hda6 fstab.save  fstab
cd
umount /mnt
reboot
What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what 
is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to 
fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 
line in it.

If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with 
grep, and renaming files, use this instead.

mount /dev/hda5 /mnt
cd /mnt/etc
cp fstab fstab.save
vi fstab
   move down to line starting /dev/hda6
   Enter i#Esc
   Enter :wq
cd /
umount /mnt
eboot
For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. 
Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is 
putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not 
realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe.

Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we 
will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be 
mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not 
hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it 
mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!)

Mikkel
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Re: [newbie] Invalid signatures on upgrade files

Aron Smith wrote:
is there any way to do it via urpmi? That would avoid most of the errors.

If you add the --no-clean option to the command line, it will leave the 
RPMs in /var/cache/urpmi/rpms, and you can then use these on the other 
machines. You may want to add this option to /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg if you 
are always keeping 3 machines up to date.

I am sure you could set up the one machine to allow read-only access to 
the RPM cache, and have the other machines use this, instead of the 
Internet, but I have not done it. Maybe someone who has will post 
instructions.

If you need the space, then after all the machines are up to date, run 
urpmi --clean to clean up the cache.

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Re: [newbie] mp3s to wav/cd burning

Chris wrote:
On Friday 18 March 2005 10:13 pm, Smiley wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:00:09 -0600
Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do people use for making music cds from mp3s?
k3b
I did with gnome-toaster five years ago :)
There's also gdrdao (GUI for cdrdao)
wich entirely devoted to this purpose
--
Smiley

I got into this thread a little late, kind of behind on reading, anyway, I use 
the below script in 9.0, called mp32wav.

#!/bin/bash
# mp32wav
mp3file=$*
mkdir wav
for file in $@  ; do
#echo $file
wavfile=`echo $file | sed s/\\.mp3/.wav/`
printf %-50s %-50s\n $file -- $wavfile
# to encode wav--mp3
#lame -h $file $mp3file
# to encode mp3--wav
mpg123 -b 1 -s $file | sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c2 - 
wav/$wavfile
done

Then, in the .wav directory run normalize -m *.wav (normalize must be 
installed) and finally I used to run an alias file in 9.0 (Thanks Tom 
Brinkman) but it may not work in 10.1 as I imagine things have changed a bit

alias bacd='cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=0,2,0 -pad -audio *.wav'
Haven't tried the above in 10.1 yet though.
HTH
Chris
Interesting script. But what happens if is did something like:
mp32wav /home/mikkel/mp3/test.mp3
You may want to consider using basename to strip off the .mp3, as well 
as the path to to source file, when creating the output file name. (I 
don't even want to get into creating an output directory off the current 
directory without any checking...)

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Re: [newbie] mp3s to wav/cd burning

Chris wrote:
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 08:19 pm, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

I got into this thread a little late, kind of behind on reading, anyway,
I use the below script in 9.0, called mp32wav.
#!/bin/bash
# mp32wav
mp3file=$*
mkdir wav
for file in $@  ; do
   #echo $file
   wavfile=`echo $file | sed s/\\.mp3/.wav/`
   printf %-50s %-50s\n $file -- $wavfile
   # to encode wav--mp3
   #lame -h $file $mp3file
   # to encode mp3--wav
   mpg123 -b 1 -s $file | sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c2 -
wav/$wavfile
done

Interesting script. But what happens if is did something like:
mp32wav /home/mikkel/mp3/test.mp3
You may want to consider using basename to strip off the .mp3, as well
as the path to to source file, when creating the output file name. (I
don't even want to get into creating an output directory off the current
directory without any checking...)
Mikkel

If I remember correctly I put the script someplace like /usr/share 
or /usr/local and would just run it from the ~/mp3s dir.  I'd put all the 
mp3's I wanted to convert into that dir and run the script after cd'ing to 
that dir.  Or am I missing something in your question.  Note:  I did not 
write this script, it was posted to the list a couple of years ago, I can't 
even begin to recall who the author was, maybe he/she are still on the list.

Chris
You probably put it in /usr/local/bin. Looking at the script, if you try 
to use it to convert one mp3 file, and you give it the full path name to 
the file, it breakes the script. In the example I gave, it would try and 
write the output to wav/home/mikkel/mp3/test.wav and sox would choke on 
that as an output file name. If you use a path name as part of the file 
name, the script breaks.

The difference between the way the script strips off the .mp3 to create 
the output file, and the way the basename command does it shows up 
there. Try this:

echo /home/test/test.mp3 | sed s/\\.mp3/.wav/
basename  /home/test/test.mp3 .mp3
In the script, you would use
wavfile='basename $file .mp3'
in place of
wavfile=`echo $file | sed s/\\.mp3/.wav/`
I would also make a few other changes, but at least that change would 
handle doing something like:

cd $HOME/tmp
mp32wav $HOME/mp3/*.mp3
That way, you would not be limitted to running it in the directory with 
the mp3 files in it. More error checking would be nicer.

For the way you use it, something like this may work better.
#!/bin/bash
#
# mp32wav - a script to convert all the mp3 file
# in the current directory to wav files, and put
# the output file in the wav directory created
# in the current directory
#
if [ ! -d wav ] then
   if ! mkdir wav ; then
  echo I could not create the output directory.
  exit 1
  fi
fi
for in_file in *.mp3 ; do
   out_file=$(basename $i .mp3).wav
   echo Converting $in_file to $out_file
   mpg123 -b 1 -s $in_file | \
 sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c2 - wav/$out_file
done
I used the \ to continue the convert command on the next line so it 
wouldn't wrap in the email, but it can all be on one line in the script.
The first 6 lines after the comments just take care of creating the wav 
directory if there isn't one, and aborting the script if it can not 
create it. There is still room for improvment - the output directory 
could be defined as a varable in the script, so that you could change it 
without rewriting the script. You could also test each input file to 
make sure it is realy a mp3 file. Things of that nature. The echo line 
that tells what file is being being converted is optional. I like seeing 
what is going on with this type of script.

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Re: [newbie] Useful URL for newbies

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
Duncan Anderson wrote:
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:

The CLI is not something to be feared.
cheers
Duncan
  

 


Is that not so ?  I read somewhere about a command that could wipe 
out your whole system if done as root.  Something to do with r and rm 
and -r I think ...

Rosemary
PS Not that I am about to do anything so outrageous :-)
Ha! That reminds me. Once upon a time I used to run a UNIX support 
department for a big distributor, and we had our own public access ftp 
server with patches and drivers on it. Anyway, one fine day, I was 
logged in as root, fiddling around in a subdirectory, and then I 
typed cd, and enter, and then someone must have distracted me, and 
then I typed rm * and pressed enter.

Since this was an old UNIX box, cd on its own takes you to the / 
directory. root does not have its own home as on Linux.

OOPS!
Not only did that UNIX box not have its own /root home directory, but 
it also lacked a separate /boot or /stand directory, so I had just 
managed to remove the kernel /unix and the boot program /boot.

DOUBLE OOPS!
Fortunately, I kept my wits about me, and quickly mounted an 
installation boot floppy from which I copied the /boot program, then 
I relinked the kernel, which produced a new /unix file, while 
praying that we did not have a power failure.

Phew! None of my support technicians noticed a thing! I reckon I would 
have been a bit embarrassed if they had.

Incidentally, the command you were talking about rm -r is absolutely 
lethal when run as root in the root directory.

cheers
Duncan

Glad you were able to retrieve the situation -:-)  must have been a bit 
of a sweat for a while.
Read that in a book I have somewhere ...  ever since been nervous in CLI!

cheers
Rosemary
PS Actually have realised I can move about and look quite safely, and 
even do so as root sometimes 

There are some added protections to make doing that even harder now. 
When you type rm from the command line, you are actualy running rm 
-i thanks to a handy alias. So you would be asked to confirm every 
deletion. When you get asked about the first one, hit Ctrl-c, and it 
will abort the command. Not that you want to be logged in as root, 
unless you realy need to for what you are doing. But it is harder to 
break things then it used to be. There are still a lot of things you can 
do as root that will break the system.

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Re: [newbie] Useful URL for newbies

Duncan Anderson wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
There are some added protections to make doing that even harder now. 
When you type rm from the command line, you are actualy running rm 
-i thanks to a handy alias. So you would be asked to confirm every 
deletion. When you get asked about the first one, hit Ctrl-c, and it 
will abort the command.

Yes, isn't Linux (especially Mandrake) just wonderful?
Not that you want to be logged in as root, unless you realy need to 
for what you are doing. But it is harder to break things then it used 
to be. There are still a lot of things you can do as root that will 
break the system.

Mikkel

It's a bit bit like walking on thin ice, isn't it?
As a general rule, one should su to root only when it is absolutely 
necessary. I am a reformed root user. What I mean by that is that I 
always used to log in as root at home, because I never had to worry 
about permissions on devices, directories, etc. It was a form of 
laziness. I did this for years, but lately I have got into the habit of 
trying to make things work as a normal user.

(I still run xmms and k3b as root, though. Probably laziness.)
cheers
Duncan
I think we are saying the same things here, but in different ways. I 
don't normaly log in as root, or even su -. I do most things as a 
normal user. About the only things I use root for are when I am playing 
with udev rules, testing disaster recovery programs, or installing 
software. Unfortunitly, root is required there.

Disaster recovery testing has the biggest potential for disaster, 
because I am doing things like wiping the partition table, and trying to 
recover it. I guess I could set up a way to do that as a normal user, 
but I don't realy want to - that scares me more then logging in as root. 
But then, a normal user shouldn't be able to do the things I am doing 
during testing anyway. That is what I mean be realy need to.

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Re: [newbie] mp3s to wav/cd burning

Duncan Anderson wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
I like to make scripts a bit more bullet proof... I would probably 
change it to:

for i in *.mp3 ; do
   name=$(basename $i .mp3)
   mpg123 -s $name.mp3 | sox -f 44100 -w -s -c 2 - $name.wav
done
This way, it handles files with spaces in the name, and you avoid 
having to use a temp file. The error generated by a file with a space 
in its name would not be a problem by itself, and using a temp file 
would not be a problem by it self. but if you get the wrong name, you 
could delete something other then what you intended to. For example, 
if you had a file called bridge over troubled water.mp3 and you also 
had a file called bridge in the same directory, you script would 
first overwrite, then delete bridge. Using basename in place of 
FILE=`echo $FILE | sed s/.mp3//g` also solves the problem of a file 
with .mp3 in more then one place in the name. It would probably not 
be a problem in any case, but you never know.

Mikkel

You are a scriptmaster of note, Mikkel. My version of the script works 
for me, because I always make sure that there are no spaces in the names 
first. Your refinement allows one to be more lazy!

regards
Duncan
It comes from interacting with Windows users too much. After a while, 
you get in the habit of writing the scripts so the Windows file names 
don't break them. You also try to build them as safe as possible...

Some things I try to keep in mind when writing scripts:
lower case names for local varables - so you don't break things if you 
deside to source the code from another script.

name.$$ for temp file names, so if two coppies of the script use the 
same directory for temp files, they don't interfere with each other.

If you can use a pipe in place of a temp file, do so.
If one of several commands can be used in a script, set a varable with 
the command name at the start of the script, and use the varable name in 
the script itself. That way, if you move the script to another system, 
all you need to do is edit one line at the start of the script.

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Re: [newbie] mp3s to wav/cd burning

Duncan Anderson wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
lower case names for local varables - so you don't break things if you 
deside to source the code from another script.

Mikkel,
Explain this to me, I don't quite follow your rationale here.
I always use upper case for variable names so they can be clearly seen 
as such when one reads the scripts at a later stage.

regards
Duncan

If you are using a varable in a loop, and its value only has meaning in 
that loop, but not in the rest of the script, use a lowercase name. For 
example:

for name in *.txt ; do
 file $name
done
For small scripts, it is not too important, unless you do something like 
. script name or exec script name from inside another script. 
Then any changes made to a varable in the sourced script affect the 
calling script.

If the name is upper case, then I know it is ether a shell varable, or 
it is set at the start of the script, and has the same value in the 
entire script. For example, I know MAIL is a shell varable pointing to 
the user's mail spool, and EDITOR, if it is set, is the user's preferred 
text editor. And if I see $SED, I know that it is the full path to sed, 
or a program that will act like sed when used in the script. If I see 
$name, I know to look for where it is set in the script. It should be 
fairly close to where it is used. If I see $Name, then I know may I have 
to look farther back in the code to see where it get set. I also know 
that I have to be carefull about how I change it.

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Re: [newbie] Running apps on networked machine

Miark wrote:
I ssh'ed to another box on my network and ran Firefox. 
But instead of it running off the remote machine, it 
ran from my _local_ machine.

Odd! How do I prevent that?
Miark
Miark,
 How did you determin that it ran from the local machine? One thing to 
keep in mind about X programs is that the machine they run on, and the 
machine they are controlled from, do not have to be the same. The X 
server a program connect to for control and display is controlled by the 
--display option on the command line, or the DISPLAY shell varable. With 
ssh, if X forwarding is enabled, then when you ssh to another box it set 
things up so X programs will connect to X on your local machine.

 If you want to start a program on a remote machine, and have it 
displayed on the remote machine, you have a much harder time. The 
default security settings are designed to prevent this. If they didn't, 
then anyone that could log into the remote box could, by starting the 
right software, monitor what the user at the console of that box is 
doing. Or have windows popping up all over the place on the screen, or 
other nasty stuff. Definity not something you want appening when you are 
trying to get some work done on the box.

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Re: [newbie] hostname change

riccardo wrote:
On Monday 21 March 2005 09:41 pm, Carlton Matthew wrote:
How do I change the PC host name ?

 ~ by editing the file:/etc/HOSTNAME
best rgds


Nope.
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Re: [newbie] MySQL File Location

SOTL wrote:
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 11:21, Derek Jennings wrote:
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 14:42, SOTL wrote:
Hi All
I have created a partition on one of my computer to store critical system
data files called /System_Data.
I am trying to configure MySQL so that it will use /System_Data as
its default file storage.
I looked for /etc/my.cnf; found I did not have one so I generated one.
My /etc/my.cnf files contains exactly 1 line which is:
datadir=/System_Data
When I start MySQL I now receive the following error message:
Found option without preceding group in config file /etc/my.cnf at line
1. Fatail error in default handling.
Program aborted.
Would appreciate help in ascertaining what should be added or how current
should be modified.
Frank
It is failing because having created a /etc/my.cnf file it is expecting to
find other parameters defined in there in addition to datadir
(pid_file=,  basedir=/, bindir=/usr/bin )
You could alternatively edit the datadir path in /etc/rc5.d/S90mysql  which
is the script that starts mysql
Alternatively if you create a symlink from /var/lib/mysql
to /mnt/System_Data/mysql  then you would not need to change any
configuration and your data would go in the folder you desire.
BTW: In Linux /var is the default directory to hold data so why do you need
to define a different one?
derek

Hi All and thanks Derek
I have finally gotten back to the above issue in my attempts to resolve my 
setup issues.

I have printed the instructions for Using Option Files as kindly pointed out 
to me by  David G Stevenson located at:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/option-files.html
If I understand Derek correctly my.cnf should look something like
[mysql]
datadir=/System_Data
basedir=/
bindir=/usr/bin
pid_file=
This raises two issues to me.
First what is a 'pid_file=' ?
And where is it located? 

Second I do not find pid_file, basedir, or bindir mentioned in the MySQL 
Reference Manual:: 4.3.2 Using Option Files.

Thus to say the least I am confused.
if someone would mind enlighten me on correct procedure I would appreciate it.
Thank
Frank

You may want to take a look at /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql to see were a lot 
of things are by default, and how they are set. If you leave pid_file= 
blank, it gets set in this file. The file gets created when mysql 
starts, and contains the Program ID (PID) of the MySQL server.

Looking at this file, it looks like this is where you would set your 
data directory, and you would put my.cfg in the data directory you set 
in this file.

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Re: [newbie] MySQL File Location

Derek Jennings wrote:
The packager who built the Mandrake package for MySQL has created the 
file /etc/rc5.d/S90mysql to set up the defaults for MySQL so that a my.cnf 
file is unnecessary. I simply read that file and told you what the defaults 
were set to.

I also told you that by using a symlink to /var/lib/mysql you could put your 
user data in a different folder without having to edit any files or create a 
my.cnf file.

BTW: A pid file is a file usually kept in /var/run which identifies the 
Process Identifier number (pid) a daemon is using 

derek
Minnor correction - the file is actualy /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql. The 
files in /etc/rc.d/rc#.d are symlinks to the files in /etc/rc.d/init.d 
and are created/removed by chkconfig. The /etc/rc#.d entries are 
symlinks to the directories in /etc/rc.d.

If you would like to know more about this, you may want to read 
/usr/share/doc/initscripts-7.61.1/sysvinitfiles.

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Re: [newbie] MD 10.1 System Halt During Boot.

Pete Moscatt wrote:
I have just installed MD 10.1 using the download version ISOs that come with a
magazine I purchase.
The installation was without error until it come time to reboot.
During the boot process I see it stopping at the point where I am assuming its
trying to detect USB devices.  Regardless of how many times I boot, it always 
stops
at the same point.
I am using a Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse which happens to be USB. This is the 
only
USB device I use.
I have had a quick look in the archives and get the impression that MD 10.1 
suffers
from USB issues.
What is needed to get the installation I have up and running ?
Regards
Pete Moscatt
I would boot without the mouse plugged in, and see if it boots. If it 
does, then plug the mouse in. Then make sure you have all the updates 
installed. After installing the updates, see if the system boots ok with 
the USB mouse plugged in. If not, let us know, and we can explore other 
options.

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Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem

Philippe Landau wrote:
i am so sorry to hear about that, Rosemary ...
i was so sure it would work,
i never heard of anyone getting problems
for pluging in a usb drive ...
otherwise i would have told you to make a backup first.
do you also think that maybe your version of mandrake
has some underlying problems ?
ALSA is the sound server, right ?
what if you installed a fresh version of mandrake ?
i often needed to do that, with any operating system i had.
kind regards philippe
Reinstalling Mandrake should be a last resort. It isn't something you 
should have to resort to. Knowing what you did before you had the 
problem is always a good place to start...

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Re: [newbie] KDE3.4 cannot shutdown

Miark wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:48:16 +0700, Fajar wrote:
 

Thanks Paul,
After I change it from mdkkdm to kdm, I can shutdown normally
again.

Since I switched to XFCE, I figured I didn't have anything to
lose by upgrading KDE to 3.4, so I did.
Well, as it turns out, I _did_ have something to lose :-)
Now when I boot, it hangs on ALSA, and the display manager was
screwy, too. I switched to the non-MDK manager, and that
fixed the manager problem. As for ALSA, I do an interactive
startup and choose No for ALSA which gets me over than
problem, too. 

This means I'll have to do an interactive startup each time to
not run ALSA, but oh well. It's not like I reboot every week.
Oh, it seems kcontrol does _not_ appear anywhere in my menus, so
I have to run it from the commandline. Again, no biggie.
Miark
Quick, cheap, and dirty fix if you are not going to be starting ALSA 
anyway: chkconfig alsa off.

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Re: [newbie] mp3s to wav/cd burning

Duncan Anderson wrote:
JoeHill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:37:18 +1100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] disseminated the following:
 

What do people use for making music cds from mp3s?
  

Check out ROXDAO. The site is offline right now, but check it out 
later, very
nice GUI for burning audio CD's, you can see a shot of it on my site.

http://kymatica.com/software.html
 

I am having problems accessing that URL.
Anyway, for the newbie, k3b works pretty well. If you have lame 
installed, k3b allows you to create audio cds from mp3 files by simply 
dragging and dropping.

Otherwise, you can use various methods via the shell. One that I always 
used to use was this:

for FILE in *.mp3
do
  FILE=`echo $FILE | sed s/.mp3//g`
  mpg123 -s $FILE.mp3  $FILE.raw
  sox -r 44100 -w -s -c 2 $FILE.raw $FILE.wav
  rm -f $FILE.raw
done
This would convert all the mp3 files in a directory to .wav files.
Then:
cdrecord -scanbus -dev=0,0,0
cdrecord -v speed=2 -dev=0,0,0 -audio -pad *.wav
Substitute the 0,0,0 for the relevant device setting for your system. 
This setup is for an external USB2.0 cdwriter configured as /dev/sr0.

Then, after all that, remove the .wav files.
cheers
Duncan

I like to make scripts a bit more bullet proof... I would probably 
change it to:

for i in *.mp3 ; do
   name=$(basename $i .mp3)
   mpg123 -s $name.mp3 | sox -f 44100 -w -s -c 2 - $name.wav
done
This way, it handles files with spaces in the name, and you avoid having 
to use a temp file. The error generated by a file with a space in its 
name would not be a problem by itself, and using a temp file would not 
be a problem by it self. but if you get the wrong name, you could delete 
something other then what you intended to. For example, if you had a 
file called bridge over troubled water.mp3 and you also had a file 
called bridge in the same directory, you script would first overwrite, 
then delete bridge. Using basename in place of FILE=`echo $FILE | 
sed s/.mp3//g` also solves the problem of a file with .mp3 in more 
then one place in the name. It would probably not be a problem in any 
case, but you never know.

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Re: [newbie] audacity

Aron Smith wrote:
anyone know where libmp3lame.so is kept (lame is installed)
audacity needs it for exporting mp3s

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mikkel]$ locate libmp3lame.so
/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.

James Henry Maiewski wrote:
On Saturday 19 March 2005 3:50 pm, Tom wrote:
   Now, James, when you installed the system did you select
Development ?  Without those additions to your system you probly
can't compile anything.
Other questions:  are you just doin all this as an exercise?
an why don't you just use Mandrakes' pre-compiled packages for
kdeutils?   IOW's, what are you tryin to accomplish?
Hello,
	I have the Mandrake 6-disc set, so I have these binaries, and don't 
need to compile anything.  Having just successfully 'hatched' 
kdeutils...src.rpm (I downloaded a new one), with rpmbuild [thanks to 
all of you, and I certainly didn't intend to set off any controversy.  
I'll have to read these man pages)

	Inasmuch as I doesn't really have a prayer of understanding C++, or 
the maze of linked header files, etc. (most of my programing 
knowledge in Linux and C comes from Learning C in 28 days) this was 
all an exercise.  Its genesis comes from my fondness of Kedit.  It 
seems like a really simple program, and I thought that it might be 
possible to change the behavior of its Tab key (i.e., how many spaces 
are printed when tab is presses.  So far in this exercise, I've 
discovered .kcfg files (hence Kcfgcreator, hence unsermake) and now 
rpmbuild, and kconfig_compiler, kconfigskeleton.h and kconfig.h (and 
I still haven't found anything that says main).   As expected, I'm 
not really more enlightened as concerns my original goal, but I'm 
having fun.

	If you have any suggestions about books to teach the neophyte about 
program development (I know no 'object oriented' stuff, and am shaky 
on all the libs etc.)


You may want to start with something other then part of the KDE 
family. While Kate may be a simple program, I don't think building 
anything that is part of the KDE desktop is simple. This is because of 
the high level of intergration between the different parts. On the other 
hand, it definitly will be a learning experence.

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Re: [newbie] DNS Name Server Issues

SOTL wrote:
Hi All
As some of you are aware by now I am trying to network 2 computers by use of a 
wireless 'my router' which is connected to a wireless bridge which gets it 
signal from wireless bridge [located in an office across the street] which 
gets it input from another router [or did before system modification which I 
was not party to].

The first computer is a MSI motherboard box called Reality_Check running 
Mandrake 10.1.
The second computer is an IBM Thinkpad running Mandrake 10.1.

Anyway after reading the above you began to get one of the issues - Total 
confusion so in that regard I shut down the wireless portions of my wireless 
router.

I have set 'my router' for fixed LAN addressing with Big_Nate as 192.168.1.4 
using DNS host Name 192.168.1.1 which Big_Nate after booting [it is a laptop] 
uses the preceding host name and DNS address.

On the other hand I have set 'my router' with Reality_Check as 192.168.1.2.
I have tried to set Reality_Check to use 'my router' at 192.168.1.1 but it 
keeps resetting the First DNS to be 127.0.0.1 and the Second DNS server to be 
64.89.100.2 and keep using a DNS address of 192.168.1.251.

I have deleted and made new connection in Reality_Check by Make New Connection 
Automatic - DNS Host Name = Reality_Check -Host Name = Reality_Check -. 
Zeroconf Host Name = Reality Check

Should DNS Host Name should be Reality_Check but be name of computer or of 'my 
router'?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks 

Frank
The first thing I would do is get rid of tmdns. With your setup, then 
last thing you want to add to the mess is the Zeroconf stuff!

Just stopping tmdns will get rid of the 127.0.0.1 DNS server problem. It 
will also get rid of the DNS Host Name question, if I remember right.

If you have the dhcp server running on the router, then just configure 
your connection for dhcp, with a host name of Reality_Check. (Make sure 
your host name is in /etc/hosts).

If you do not have the dhcp server running on the router, or if you want 
to set a static IP address for Reality_Check, then you probably want to 
use the IP address of the router as your name server, and your gateway.

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Re: [newbie] Re: mp3s to wav/cd burning

JoeHill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:15:52 +0100
Björn Lundin disseminated the following:

What do people use for making music cds from mp3s?
if you like the cli, make wavs with this script,
You do need sox and mpg123.
from there burn the wavs as usual 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mp3_lisa]$ cat /home/bnl/music/tools/mp32wav
#!/bin/bash
# mp32wav
BASENAME=${1%%.mp3}
mpg123 -b 1 -s $BASENAME.mp3 | sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c2 -
$BASENAME.wav

LAME has always worked very well in this regard for me, I have these in my
.bashrc
# mp3 functions
function mp3ren() { for i in *.mp3; do mv $i `echo $i | tr ' '
'_'`;done; }
function mp3dec() { for i in *.mp3; do lame --decode $i `basename $i .mp3`.wav;
done; }
First one removes spaces in the filenames and converts to LC, second converts to
WAV.
Watch the line-wrap and the back-ticks :-)

Wouldn't something like:
function mp3dec() { for i in *.mp3 ;
do lame --decode $i `basename \$i\  .mp3`.wav ;
done; }
handle names with spaces in them?
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Re: [newbie] Adding Drives

Elwyn wrote:
Hiya
Following on from my Samba Server question... I've fitted the drive, it's 
declared as hdb and I'd like to set it up for just files.

I've tried to chose Journalised Etc3, ReiserFS, JFS or XFS.
Which do I chose??
It would be nice if I can put it all as one partition?!
Er, Thanks :)
Elwyn
What Journalized file system to pick is not a cut and dried decision. It 
depends on what kinds of data you are going to put on the drive, and who 
you are asking the question. So you will need to provide more 
information before you can even hope for a meaningful answer.

Making the drive one partition is not a problem. Depending on how big it 
is, and how you are planning to do backups, it may make since to split 
it up though. You may also want to use a chunk of the drive as a swap 
partition...

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Re: [newbie] Samba Server

Elwyn wrote:
Hiya Folks
What I'd like to do is set up a shared area within our network that all our 
(family) music files are on, plus other bits and bobs, that will only share 
files for most of its hard drive.

I've already got a working Samba place on this machine but I'm debating how to 
go about this.

Basically the box wil be without monitor, keyboard, mouse etc. Just have power 
and network to it.

However, the small problem I have is that as it is a closed secured network I 
don't want any username and passwords? Is that possible??

Because one of the problems I have is any files created with one ID cannot be 
moved/deleted with another ID, or have I missed something fundemental out??

Cheers, Elwyn
This all depends on how you set up the share. You can use the force 
user and force group options when defining the share so that all 
files will be owned by the same user/group. You may also want to set it 
up so that guests can read, but not create/change/delete files.

Another way would be to set up security = share instead of user. It 
isn't used as often, and I am not sure how well the GUI config tools 
work with it, but it is something to look into.

I prefer to leave security set to user, and the force user option. That 
way, you can still have private home shares for each user, but that is 
just me...

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Re: [newbie] Adding Drives

Elwyn wrote:
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 15:25, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
What Journalized file system to pick is not a cut and dried decision. It
depends on what kinds of data you are going to put on the drive, and who
you are asking the question. So you will need to provide more
information before you can even hope for a meaningful answer.

The drive would be for storing and sorting out files, music and graphics.  
The Storage Place basically on our small network here.  I have quite a lot 
of MP3s and that is all in one place for myself and my father to use, and 
it's also the storage place for my brothers iRiver collection (as he doesn't 
have a PC)


Making the drive one partition is not a problem. Depending on how big it
is, and how you are planning to do backups, it may make since to split
it up though. You may also want to use a chunk of the drive as a swap
partition...
Mikkel

Ahh. I see.
When I chose ext3 I was asked about the name of it and did I want to move \usr 
over or hide it?!

I've had a look on the web but most the responses i've seen is for putting a 
new installation on, not so much adding a drive later down the line.

At the moment the /home folder has a shared folder in there that is the 
Samba drive. Close on 60gb there. I'd like to run it side by side with the 
new 80gb and stuff.

Does that help??
Cheers, Elwyn
Well, ext3 is probably a good choice. But I am not an expert on 
journalized file systems... As for the mount point, you do NOT want to 
use /usr for this. This option if for someone that is running out of 
room on /, and is adding space by way of a new partition. You could 
create another directory off of /home for the new drive, create one in 
/mnt, or create on off of /. I don't remember what the file system 
standard is for that. Personally, I would create something like /data or 
/shared as a mount point.

Now, if you were going to be moving the current data to the new drive, 
then I would use the current shared directory as the mount point.

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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.

Tom wrote:
Greg Meyer wrote:
On Saturday 19 March 2005 10:05 am, Tom wrote:
James Henry Maiewski wrote:
Hello,
I downloaded kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm to see what I could
see, but when I try to install it, it says everything already
installed.  If these are supposed to go in /usr(/local)/src they are
empty.  How is the installation of .src.rpm files supposed to work?
With an advance of thanks,
James Henry Maiewski

src.rpm's are not to be installed (tho they can be).  You can
compile the rpms contained in the src.rpm by doin (as root)
   'rpm --rebuild kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm'
Not to be too picky, but technically, rpm is deprecated and rpmbuild 
--rebuild is preferred because it has been split into separate packages.

hmmm... tell me more.
# rpm --rebuild mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.src.rpm
  ... snip ...
Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm
Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD
+ cd mplayer-fonts-1.0
+ rm -rf /var/tmp/mplayer-fonts-buildroot
+ exit 0
Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD
+ rm -rf mplayer-fonts-1.0
+ exit 0
# rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm
Preparing... ### [100%]
   1:mplayer-fonts ### [100%]
 Are you sugesting I should'a used 'rpmbuild --rebuild mplaTab' ?
  FWIW, the system is as current as can be (cooker 10.2)
2.6.11-2mdkK74 preempt K7 gcc-3.4  (rpm-build-4.2.3-9mdk)
From the rpm man page:
LEGACY ISSUES
   Executing rpmbuild
   The build modes of rpm are now resident in the /usr/bin/rpmbuild 

   executable. Although legacy compatibility provided by the popt
   aliases below has been adequate, the compatibility is not
   perfect; hence build mode compatibility through popt aliases is
   being removed from rpm.
   Install the rpmbuild package, and see rpmbuild(8) for
   documentation  of all the rpm build modes previously documented
   here in rpm(8).
   Add  the  following lines to /etc/popt if you wish to continue
   invoking rpmbuild from the rpm command line:
It then goes into a table that you can read for your self if you are 
interested.

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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.

Tom wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Tom wrote:

hmmm... tell me more.
# rpm --rebuild mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.src.rpm
  ... snip ...
Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm
Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD
+ cd mplayer-fonts-1.0
+ rm -rf /var/tmp/mplayer-fonts-buildroot
+ exit 0
Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1910
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD
+ rm -rf mplayer-fonts-1.0
+ exit 0
# rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/noarch/mplayer-fonts-1.0-10mdk.noarch.rpm
Preparing... ### [100%]
   1:mplayer-fonts ### [100%]
 Are you sugesting I should'a used 'rpmbuild --rebuild mplaTab' ?
  FWIW, the system is as current as can be (cooker 10.2)
2.6.11-2mdkK74 preempt K7 gcc-3.4  (rpm-build-4.2.3-9mdk)
 From the rpm man page:
LEGACY ISSUES
   Executing rpmbuild
   The build modes of rpm are now resident in the /usr/bin/rpmbuild
   executable. Although legacy compatibility provided by the popt
   aliases below has been adequate, the compatibility is not
   perfect; hence build mode compatibility through popt aliases is
   being removed from rpm.
   Install the rpmbuild package, and see rpmbuild(8) for
   documentation  of all the rpm build modes previously documented
   here in rpm(8).
   Add  the  following lines to /etc/popt if you wish to continue
   invoking rpmbuild from the rpm command line:
It then goes into a table that you can read for your self if you are 
interested.

Mikkel

   # less /etc/popt
/etc/popt: No such file or directory
Do I need to create this file?  an why?  rpm -rebuild is still very 
much functional, even on 10.2

   Yes, I read the man page.

Well, on my 10.1 system, they are actualy in /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt-4.2.2 
and if I wanted to track it down, there is probably another file 
symlinked to it, that is defined in rpmrc, but I don't feel like going 
through all the effort. There are a lot of things that can be changed 
the same way, to customize the way rpm behaves.

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Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b

Tom wrote:
John or Margaret Montgomery wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:44:07 -0600
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nope!  'Big name', or well know brand names mean very little, 
more often, absolutely nothin!  Practically no brand name media are 
made by the advertised vendor. The only way to know for sure who 
actually makes the disk is to do;

   Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas 

This is not DVD but I recall several years ago, asking a salesman 
about the differences between different CDs. His answer was - price!

Since then I have bought only on price. A few coasters have turned up 
but I could always account for them by my stupidity.

John Montgomery
Vernon BC

You managed to get a knowledgeable salesperson ;)  I quit botherin 
askin who actually manufactured the media. Mostly I got a blank stare. 
They bank on the premise that most all the public thinks big brand names 
have to be better.

   OTOH, the big brand names do _usually_ put better, more durable 
coating (the label side where the recording is actually done). This is 
important if you're fixin to handle the CD's a bunch, or store them for 
a while.  So considerin that, it's often worth payin twice the price to 
get media that's all made by the same damn manufacturer anyhow.  I 
suspect the brand names buy the cheap 'generic' CD's, then add the extra 
'branded' coating on top of the generic manufacturers.

In this sense the result is not more reliable for burnin, but will 
survive more handlin an storage.

I usually put a pretty printed label on them anyway, so that is less of 
a problem. But one day I would like to get one of the printers that will 
print directly on CDs/DVDs. But they require printable CD blanks anyway. 
(I do have a bunch of business card size that are printable...)

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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.

James Henry Maiewski wrote:
Hello,
	I thank you both for this information, but I'm not getting anything 
out of this package.  the rpm --rebuild gives: 

error: kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm cannot be installed
the same happens with rpmbuild --rebuild (both as root and otherwise).
	I assume that the package is at fault and will look for another 
source.  Another question I have, is why I urpmi --install-src yield 
nothing.

Thanks,
JHM

What happens if you run
rpm --checksig kdeutils-3.2.3-28.3.101mdk.src.rpm?
This will check the package.
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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.

Tom wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Well, on my 10.1 system, they are actualy in 
/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt-4.2.2 and if I wanted to track it down, there is 
probably another file symlinked to it, that is defined in rpmrc, but I 
don't feel like going through all the effort. There are a lot of 
things that can be changed the same way, to customize the way rpm 
behaves.

Mikkel

# less/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*
bash: less/usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*: No such file or directory
# l /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*
ls: /usr/lib/rom/rpmpopt*: No such file or directory
# loci rpmrc   (an alias for locate -i)
/usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc
/usr/lib/rpm/convertrpmrc.sh
/usr/lib/rpmrc
   untouched by me   ???

Well, my typing isn't too good today. (rom should be rpm). Fat fingers, 
and small keyboard.)

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Re: [newbie] Cant find the printer

Carlton Matthew wrote:
Following previous advice, I added the line
lp
to the file /etc/modprobe.preload
lsmod now gives
[EMAIL PROTECTED] carlton]# lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
md5 3584  1
ipv6  230916  10
autofs415268  0
i810_audio 33236  0
ac97_codec 16844  1 i810_audio
soundcore   7008  1 i810_audio
af_packet  16072  2
floppy 55088  0
8139too20928  0
mii 4224  1 8139too
ide-cd 37280  0
cdrom  37724  1 ide-cd
loop   12520  0
nls_iso8859-15  4224  1
ntfs  147964  1
supermount 34804  1
parport_pc 30976  1
lp  9548  0
parport33896  2 parport_pc,lp
intel-agp  19584  1
agpgart27752  1 intel-agp
ehci-hcd   26244  0
uhci-hcd   28752  0
usbcore   103172  4 ehci-hcd,uhci-hcd
This indicates that the parallel port is now visible.
On boot, the system indicates that cups is started. However the ssytm 
stil fails to see the printer.
Any Ideas
Carlton


Double check the printer cable?
Chase out the gremlins?
Get drunk?
Just kidding...
Does /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/autoprobe show anything?
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Re: [newbie] src.rpm headaches.

Tom wrote:
 That was mostly for my own curiousity, specially since Greg an 
Mikkel have some misgiving about usin 'rpm --rebuild'

All I can say is Works for Me  an always has
I think the point is more that rpm --rebuild is calling rpmbuild to do 
the work. Because if this, if you do not have the rpm-build (10.1) or 
rpmbuild (old name) package installed, it will not work. Also, from what 
the man page says, it may not work in future releases of RPM. So it 
would be better to bet used to using rpmbuild --rebuild in place of
rpm --rebuild. For people just starting to build RPMs, it would 
definitly be better to get them started using rpmbuild for building RPMs.

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Re: [newbie] Recommended DVD's for K3b

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 20:08, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
I usually put a pretty printed label on them anyway, so that is less of
a problem. But one day I would like to get one of the printers that will
print directly on CDs/DVDs. But they require printable CD blanks anyway.
(I do have a bunch of business card size that are printable...)
Mikkel, again I'm only quoting what I have read, but I understand that it's 
not wise to label DVDs.  Again it is the speed and density that make them 
more sensitive to wobble if the label is not absolutely balanced.  The 
article I read though that it was almost impossible to safely label them.

I've been looking at the printers, too, as mine will have to be retired soon, 
but I don't know whether they are a viable option for DVDs.  It would be nice 
if they were.

Anne

Anne,
 You are probably right. I can not say for sure about DVDs. I do not 
have a burner myself, so I have not labeled too many. I know you can 
mess up a CD if you are sloppy putting on the label. The business card 
ones give me problems.
For printing on CDs, Epson has an ink jet that isn't too out of line 
that has a try for printing CDs. I have not checked into it, to see if 
it will work with Linux. By the time I am ready to really start shopping 
for one, there will probably be a new crop of printers anyway. There are 
other things higher up on the wish list...

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Re: [newbie] bad signatures

Carlton Matthew wrote:
Why Do I get bad signatures when attempting to upgrade packages using 
mandrakelinux update ?
shouldn't this be the safest plave to get the software from
Carlton

It should be. Do you get it for all packages? One thing to watch for - 
it will give you the bad signature error, and go on to say that it could 
not open the package. This error could be worded better. What actualy 
happened is that the download of the package failed, so the signature 
could not be tested. I think it is two standard error messages, 
generated by two different parts of the program. The bad signature error 
is true, but is not the real problem.

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Re: [newbie] FAT question

SnapafunFrank wrote:
One thing this newbie read somewhere is that /dev/sda? are not 
formatable ?? Can someone clarify this ?

Ah... here it is:
A key such as KERNEL=sd?1 would match KERNEL names such as sda1, 
sdb1, sdc1, and equally importantly, it will not match KERNEL names 
such as sda, sdb, or sg1. The purpose of this key is to ignore the 
/dev/sda and /dev/sg1 nodes. The device is a digital camera -* I would 
not dream of fdisking it or anything like that, so these 2 nodes are 
pretty useless to me.* The key attempts to capture the /dev/sda1 node, 
which is mountable and therefore useful!

Reverse in you case maybe?
This is within this link
http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
What he is talking about here is creating links for digital camera that 
is accessed using usb_storage, and so looks like a SCSI drive to the 
system. He is saying that he would not want to run fdisk on this device, 
so he would not need /dev/sda, just /dev/sda1. I don't know what would 
happen if you tried to repartition a digital camera mounted this way, 
and apparently the author didn't know ether, and didn't want to find out.
He is also talking about what happens if your rules do not create all 
possible device names for a drive, and you use fdisk to create new 
partitions. You may not be able to access the new partitions without 
removing the device, and re-attaching it, or rebooting.

One other point, you normally do not mount the entire drive when using 
hard drives - you mount the partitions. But you run fdisk on the entire 
drive. (Well, you could run fdisk on a partition, but why?) So, you run 
fdisk on /dev/sda to create/change/delete partitions. But you would 
mount /dev/sda1.

I don't know if I should bring this point up, but you could, if you 
really wanted to, use /dev/sda in place of /dev/sda1 to create/mount a 
file system that would be the entire drive. It is not really a good 
idea, but it can be done. Some of the tools will complain about the 
missing partition table, but you don't have to have one.

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Re: [newbie] connecting camera using the PTP protocol

Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote:
On Saturday 19 Mar 2005 20:37, Anne Wilson wrote:
Does HardDrake recognise the camera?  Have you tried booting with it
plugged in?  (Not that you'd have to do that every time, but it sometimes
helps to get something recognised in the first place.)  I have often found
that it helps to run HardDrake after plugging in a removable device, which
is really what this is.

No HardDrake doesn't recognise it.  Tried booting with camera on and plugged 
in - nothing.

The other problem is that with 10.1 you meet the problem of the floating
sdx - where the mount point can change its name every time you try it, so
any mount that's set up will not find the drive.  You may have to use
HardDrake to see what device name it has, then amend your mount-point to
match.  A PITB.

Someone suggested a card reader, so I've had a look at them, and found one 
recommended for Sony cameras, which is linux compatible.  I've emailed the 
company for more specific info.  It is only NZ$30, so would be a worthwhile 
purchase.

Most USB card readers work well. Not all of them tell the system when 
you change cards in them. You may have to put the card in the reader, 
and then plug the reader in the USB port.

Lastly, I'd recommend getting the latest packages for Digikam.  The ones
with the distro are fairly old, and it sometimes helps.  I'm running
digikam-0.7.1-1tex.i586.rpm.

I'm downloading now - do I need to uninstall the old packages, or will the new 
ones simply install over them?  

Thanks
Rosemary
If you are downloading it as an RPM package, then it will replace the 
old package. BOth urpmi and rpm -Uvh will remove the old package when 
installing a newer version of the same package. That is one of the nice 
things about the RPM package format.

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