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Thanks for the info! That's an interesting concept. I just went to the Linux Expo here in Brazil and they had a great talk by the founder of the LTSP on diskless terminals. Seems like it has a bunch of advantages, particularly in the coprporate/educational setting. -Paul "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: What do you mean by a diskless terminal? I assume he means PCs without hard drives. These can be booted either by floppy (not recommended for obvious security reasons) or by an EPROM on the NIC that greps the boot data from the fileserver. We had these at one of the sites I used to work at. When outside polite company we used to trade the first 's' in diskless to a 'c', which more accurately described them. Having said that, the site was running Windoze at the time, and Windoze sucked on diskless machines. Linux would be OK... Regards, Ozz. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]
Thanks for the info! That's an interesting concept. I just went to the Linux Expo here in Brazil and they had a great talk by the founder of the LTSP on diskless terminals. Seems like it has a bunch of advantages, particularly in the coprporate/educational setting. -Paul The biggest problem with them is that they need sackloads of RAM to run efficiently. The windoze machines ran like slugs, and slowed the network to a crawl, as all swapfile stuff had to run via the network/server. I hated them. Regards, Ozz.
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Argh... Duh, is there free technical support? Roman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] My Gawd man! what'll they think of next? A Webless internet?? -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Ozz: Actually, there is a Linux-based web appliance available now from N|C (I think that's how they spell it). The only disk is a CD-ROM which contains the OS and apps -- mostly Netscape with some plug-ins -- Realwhatever, Flash and some other stuff. It's a venture of Larry Ellison (of Oracle and Gates-baiting fame). Costs $400 delivered with 15 inch monitor, mouse, keyboard and speakers. The Cyrix 266 mhz CPU also serves as a space heater ;-). Other stuff inside includes 64 mb RAM, internal 56K winmodem, onboard video, sound, and a small amount of flash RAM for bookmarks, preferences and the like. I think there's also an internal network card and a USB port. All this creature can do -- at least as delivered from the factory -- is surf the web. One interesting thing is that you aren't tied in to them for web access - you get to chose your own from a list -- one free, several paid. The big weakness with this is that the only way to get e-mail is through one of the web-based mail services such as provided by Yahoo or Earthlink. Currently aimed at WebTV upgraders and other technically-impaired types who don't want to deal with virii, drivers, and all of that other scary stuff, I expect that their real target is large networks that would use either server-provided applications, or who could compile their own CD's with preconfigured installations. Before the flames begin (I can hear the ARRRGGH's), it is intended for a specific market -- one that does not include us REAL COMPUTER PEOPLE. Well, that isn't entirely true -- while N|C doesn't do anything to encourage poking around inside the thing, they don't fight it either. In fact, there's a mail list aimed at propeller heads where a couple of factory guys play colder-warmer. Achievements so far include (1) installing a hard drive, (2) creating a new CD-ROM so that you can listen to music while you surf, (3) installing an AMD K6-2 300 -- faster and cooler, and (4) getting windows to run (I don't believe it either, but the guy says it can be done, and we all know that if something is posted on the web, it must be true.) Somehow, my wife seems to have gotten one, and she's let me play with it a little bit -- the present rule is that I cannot have any hand tools on my person. It ain't exactly the most powerful thing I've used, but it does work pretty much as advertised. It is stable. And, if things get screwed up, all you gotta do is shut it down, start it up, and everything is back the way it was. Remember too, that they can upgrade existing systems by just distributing a new CD. And there's lots of empty space on the current CD. Hmmm... My impression is that it is very much a WIP, but after a few iterations, who knows? Best regards, Carroll Grigsby "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: What do you mean by a diskless terminal? I assume he means PCs without hard drives. These can be booted either by floppy (not recommended for obvious security reasons) or by an EPROM on the NIC that greps the boot data from the fileserver. We had these at one of the sites I used to work at. When outside polite company we used to trade the first 's' in diskless to a 'c', which more accurately described them. Having said that, the site was running Windoze at the time, and Windoze sucked on diskless machines. Linux would be OK... Regards, Ozz.
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What do you mean by a diskless terminal? john bodanske wrote: I make them diskless terminals, and share internet. Some day I' going to open 25 internet cafes with about $5 in equipment.:) - Original Message - From: "Paul R" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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I was seeing that when I used KDE. Now that I've switched to windowmaker I rarely see my system use swap. Usually only when I'm compiling, listening to a cd, reading email and working on something in the GIMP. Abe Michael Scottaline wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something just occured to me as I reading through this post again. (no... I know what you're thinking and that's not it...I was cleaning up my mail and this happened to catch my attention.) Anyway, at the moment I'm running SETI@home, which is very resource intensive, Pine, and Netscape (browser, and email) AND a download, and I haven't even touched my Swap space yet. I've only got 64MB of RAM in this old box. :) -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 == That is rather surprising. I know linux likes to use as lots of ram when it's available and the more available, the more it will frequently use. I have one box with 128m and another that I just bought w/256m. Both frequently show using much more than 64m, but almost never use any swap. Are your running xfce? Or some other small wm? I've really gotten to like Blackbox. Very small footprint and quite fast and functional. Mike "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing and dreadful idolatry took place there!" Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Ozz: Actually, there is a Linux-based web appliance available now from N|C (I think that's how they spell it). The only disk is a CD-ROM which contains the OS and apps -- mostly Netscape with some plug-ins -- Realwhatever, Flash and some other stuff. It's a venture of Larry Ellison (of Oracle and Gates-baiting fame). Costs $400 delivered with 15 inch monitor, mouse, keyboard and speakers. The Cyrix 266 mhz CPU also serves as a space heater ;-). Other stuff inside includes 64 mb RAM, internal 56K winmodem, onboard video, sound, and a small amount of flash RAM for bookmarks, preferences and the like. I think there's also an internal network card and a USB port. All this creature can do -- at least as delivered from the factory -- is surf the web. One interesting thing is that you aren't tied in to them for web access - you get to chose your own from a list -- one free, several paid. The big weakness with this is that the only way to get e-mail is through one of the web-based mail services such as provided by Yahoo or Earthlink. Currently aimed at WebTV upgraders and other technically-impaired types who don't want to deal with virii, drivers, and all of that other scary stuff, I expect that their real target is large networks that would use either server-provided applications, or who could compile their own CD's with preconfigured installations. Before the flames begin (I can hear the ARRRGGH's), it is intended for a specific market -- one that does not include us REAL COMPUTER PEOPLE. Well, that isn't entirely true -- while N|C doesn't do anything to encourage poking around inside the thing, they don't fight it either. In fact, there's a mail list aimed at propeller heads where a couple of factory guys play colder-warmer. Achievements so far include (1) installing a hard drive, (2) creating a new CD-ROM so that you can listen to music while you surf, (3) installing an AMD K6-2 300 -- faster and cooler, and (4) getting windows to run (I don't believe it either, but the guy says it can be done, and we all know that if something is posted on the web, it must be true.) Somehow, my wife seems to have gotten one, and she's let me play with it a little bit -- the present rule is that I cannot have any hand tools on my person. It ain't exactly the most powerful thing I've used, but it does work pretty much as advertised. It is stable. And, if things get screwed up, all you gotta do is shut it down, start it up, and everything is back the way it was. Remember too, that they can upgrade existing systems by just distributing a new CD. And there's lots of empty space on the current CD. Hmmm... My impression is that it is very much a WIP, but after a few iterations, who knows? Best regards, Carroll Grigsby "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: What do you mean by a diskless terminal? I assume he means PCs without hard drives. These can be booted either by floppy (not recommended for obvious security reasons) or by an EPROM on the NIC that greps the boot data from the fileserver. We had these at one of the sites I used to work at. When outside polite company we used to trade the first 's' in diskless to a 'c', which more accurately described them. Having said that, the site was running Windoze at the time, and Windoze sucked on diskless machines. Linux would be OK... Regards, Ozz.
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Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something just occured to me as I reading through this post again. (no... I know what you're thinking and that's not it...I was cleaning up my mail and this happened to catch my attention.) Anyway, at the moment I'm running SETI@home, which is very resource intensive, Pine, and Netscape (browser, and email) AND a download, and I haven't even touched my Swap space yet. I've only got 64MB of RAM in this old box. :) -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 == That is rather surprising. I know linux likes to use as lots of ram when it's available and the more available, the more it will frequently use. I have one box with 128m and another that I just bought w/256m. Both frequently show using much more than 64m, but almost never use any swap. Are your running xfce? Or some other small wm? I've really gotten to like Blackbox. Very small footprint and quite fast and functional. Mike "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing and dreadful idolatry took place there!" Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100
Newbies, I want to clarify a couple of points, given all of the discussions since my posting: having done modest overclocking (15%) I found it to be more trouble than it was worth overall (that is, the overclocking wasn't worth the time and effort spent solving instability problems a year and a half later). Yes, I liked the free performance. People seem very adament on this topic, and whether they have any experience seems secondary. Personally, I don't love or hate any group, overclockers included. I was reporting my direct experiences in response to a question. And let me add a further point in response to the equipment destruction messages I saw a while back: after I reset my CPU back to stock and thus cured my instability problems my system has remained stable and alive for almost 6 months now [I'm using it to compose this message]. Yes, as a computer technician I ran into overclocking, but I have not personally seen any distroyed equipment. I have heard of equipment damage happening. Likewise I have heard of people overclocking 25% and operating for years with no problems. I do not know people from either group. My own experience was completely stable operation with 15% overclocking, increasing instability after a year and a half *, successfully restoring my system, and continuing correctly clocked, again stable, with no failures after another nearly six months [no failures in the two years overall]. * a possibility that I had never heard of and that hadn't occured to me, hence my original posting to this group (equipment death I had heard of, but not just decline). And, yes, I have been in computers long enough to remember S-100 systems, and I briefly studied them before buying a Z80 based Osborne, the machine they invented the term lugable to describe. It screamed at 4 MHz. [Since it was basically not graphic as we now understand the term, it really was a decently performing suitcase sized machine.] I also remember the wonderfulness of having to change ROMs and regenerate the CP/M kernel when making a hardware change. They had you on that one. Much like Apple and their ROMs -- Apple was able to successfully keep any clones out of existance because they had the copyright on the basic graphic routines in the ROMS, upon which the operating system was built [i.e. the ROMs were indespensible to doing what an Apple did, and nobody successfully developed a workaround]. IBM was trying to do something similar, but Phoenix reverse engineered (first successful (in court) reverse engineering ever?) the motherboard BIOS chip. That act began a chain of events that resulted in PCs as we know them. Have any of you wondered about the "reverse engineering" clause in so much of Windon't's software? I'm sure others here on newbie could tell more of this and other things that led to the Free Software Foundation and eventually to Linux as we know it. -Gary- In a message dated 9/15/2000 8:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i just love overclocking. :) im glad some of u do too. and for those of u that dont. oh well On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote: Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optim
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IBM was trying to do something similar, but Phoenix reverse engineered (first successful (in court) reverse engineering ever?) the motherboard BIOS chip. That act began a chain of events that resulted in PCs as we know them. Have any of you wondered about the "reverse engineering" clause in so much of Windon't's software? I'm sure others here on newbie could tell more of this and other things that led to the Free Software Foundation and eventually to Linux as we know it. What Phoenix did was a stroke of genius at the time. They got a group of people to reverse engineer the IBM BIOS, and from that produce a 'data sheet' of what a BIOS chip should do. They then got another group of people (who had to sign a document swearing that they had never had any contact with the IBM chip, and faced dire consequences if they had!) to read the data sheet, and write their own BIOS based on that data sheet. That was how they circumvented the copyright legalities on the IBM BIOS. There was another such stunt pulled for PGP a few years ago. PGP was so powerful that the US government classed it as munitions! Philip Zimmerman (the author of PGP) was in and out of court for years. Anyway, because of it's munitions classification, export outside of the USA was illegal. Now, due to the wording, it transpired that the ban only applied to electronic copies. They were able to bypass these legal restrictions by reverse engineering, printing out the source code (several thousand pages), mailing this to a company in another country and getting them to re-enter and recompile the code. All good clean fun... Regards, Ozz.
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As any overclocker will tell you, results vary. I am overclocking a PIII-500e to 750MHz. I have zero stability problems. It was no extra work to reach this level of overclocking. I am using a stock Intel HSF. All I had to do was set my front side bus to 150MHz, and BAM, my 225 dollar (at the time) CPU was performing faster than a 600 dollar CPU. In the past I've not been able to reach as high an overclock, but I ALWAYS avoid any stability problems, by dropping the FSB/multiplier until the system was stable. dwyatt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100 Newbies, I want to clarify a couple of points, given all of the discussions since my posting: having done modest overclocking (15%) I found it to be more trouble than it was worth overall (that is, the overclocking wasn't worth the time and effort spent solving instability problems a year and a half later). Yes, I liked the free performance. People seem very adament on this topic, and whether they have any experience seems secondary. Personally, I don't love or hate any group, overclockers included. I was reporting my direct experiences in response to a question. And let me add a further point in response to the equipment destruction messages I saw a while back: after I reset my CPU back to stock and thus cured my instability problems my system has remained stable and alive for almost 6 months now [I'm using it to compose this message]. Yes, as a computer technician I ran into overclocking, but I have not personally seen any distroyed equipment. I have heard of equipment damage happening. Likewise I have heard of people overclocking 25% and operating for years with no problems. I do not know people from either group. My own experience was completely stable operation with 15% overclocking, increasing instability after a year and a half *, successfully restoring my system, and continuing correctly clocked, again stable, with no failures after another nearly six months [no failures in the two years overall]. * a possibility that I had never heard of and that hadn't occured to me, hence my original posting to this group (equipment death I had heard of, but not just decline). And, yes, I have been in computers long enough to remember S-100 systems, and I briefly studied them before buying a Z80 based Osborne, the machine they invented the term lugable to describe. It screamed at 4 MHz. [Since it was basically not graphic as we now understand the term, it really was a decently performing suitcase sized machine.] I also remember the wonderfulness of having to change ROMs and regenerate the CP/M kernel when making a hardware change. They had you on that one. Much like Apple and their ROMs -- Apple was able to successfully keep any clones out of existance because they had the copyright on the basic graphic routines in the ROMS, upon which the operating system was built [i.e. the ROMs were indespensible to doing what an Apple did, and nobody successfully developed a workaround]. IBM was trying to do something similar, but Phoenix reverse engineered (first successful (in court) reverse engineering ever?) the motherboard BIOS chip. That act began a chain of events that resulted in PCs as we know them. Have any of you wondered about the "reverse engineering" clause in so much of Windon't's software? I'm sure others here on newbie could tell more of this and other things that led to the Free Software Foundation and eventually to Linux as we know it. -Gary- In a message dated 9/15/2000 8:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i just love overclocking. :) im glad some of u do too. and for those of u that dont. oh well On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote: Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change
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Dacia and AzureRose wrote: Linux is fast with 128 megs. It is much faster with 256 and when you put 384 in it really starts to cook. I imagine that a 'hammer with a gig of ram would pretty much do everything right as the thought to do it first crossed your mind. Imagine a world where X and netscape don't push you into swap even though you've got enough ram to power a small third world nation. Something just occured to me as I reading through this post again. (no... I know what you're thinking and that's not it...I was cleaning up my mail and this happened to catch my attention.) Anyway, at the moment I'm running SETI@home, which is very resource intensive, Pine, and Netscape (browser, and email) AND a download, and I haven't even touched my Swap space yet. I've only got 64MB of RAM in this old box. :) -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496
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Hallo, infact i m a newbie too, but i myself got a lot of question to ask Linux mandrake dot com for help i dont know why all newbie questions came to me . anway , next time dont email me ..i m a nw bie .know nuts only. As for your problems., me too had this experienced, no use add rams., infact , what i heard from those experienced user, use has to recompile the kernel , remove unecessary unrelated programmes or lib. hm..i dont know whether its correct ? Just guessing anyway stay cool - Original Message - From: Francois Swanepoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] I use a PIII 500 with 64Mb of RAM. Starting up SO does take some time, but I can handle that. The problem is trying to do anything else on your computer, e.g.. use Netscape. Once you change applications your disk starts swapping and never stops. I use VMware and Win95 with Office97. This uses less memory and is 'quicker' than using Staroffice. Maybe I should buy some more RAM and give Staroffice another go. Cheers Francs "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: All this about Star Office got me curious, so I timed it: System: AMD K6-3, 400 Asus p5A-b RAM = 192 (64 + 128 ) HDA = WD 13.6GB HDB = WD 30.7GB SWAP = 128mb OS = SUSE 6.4 - "Practically Everything" option (HDA is almost full) So, from starting to move the cursor to the KDE panel icon to Star Office fully up was: 20.3 seconds. Still, I firmly believe in one fundamental law of computing: There's no such a thing as too much hard drive space or too much RAM. I would give you exact times for mine, but I recently re-installed Linux and have not bothered to re-install StarOffice. I do remember from previous timings that from clicking on the icon to being able to use it was 3 or 4 minutes. It took 60 seconds just to get the splash screen... Regards, Ozz. -- Francois Swanepoel AIX, HACMP and ADSM System Administrator Tel: +2673616961 Fax: +267304144
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Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we Kiwis still don't overclock grin -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Magicshooter1 P wrote: Hallo, infact i m a newbie too, but i myself got a lot of question to ask Linux mandrake dot com for help i dont know why all newbie questions came to me . anway , next time dont email me ..i m a nw bie .know nuts only. [snip] Francsyou have joined a mailing list called newbie (it's for new users of Linux-Mandrake) and you now personally will be getting sent to you every message that is sent to the address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. You are not required to answer any of them. Just ask your questions and read the answers you get back (among all of the other traffic). Enjoy. Alan
RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]
Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we Kiwis still don't overclock grin -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we Kiwis still don't overclock grin -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we Kiwis still don't overclock grin -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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i just love overclocking. :) im glad some of u do too. and for those of u that dont. oh well On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote: Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we Kiwis still don't overclock grin -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote: its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe oh abe come on. nobody hates u for not overclocking got it ? = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we Kiwis still don't overclock grin -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus saves, Allah forg
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Don't worry Abe. I don't hate you. I think you're perfectly normal for not wanting to push your hardware to the point where it begins to melt down and no longer function. Ain't nuttin wrong wit us nuts! Anyways...the last time I attempted to over-clock my AMD K6 233, the one and only time I might add, the screen went black when I rebooted the machine, and I almost didn't get the thing back up. I learned a good lesson that day. Actually I RE-learned an old lesson ma pappy used to tell me: "If it ain't broke boy, don't try and fix the damn thing. Jest leave it alone." That memory has served me well on many occasions. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Abe wrote: its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy
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uh...who talked 'shit' about you? (You dirty bastard...overclock that processor!) :) dwyatt - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark brown !!! Now that's overclocking!!! I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months !! I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be detrimental to the performace of the system.. I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions? Cheers PS I guess I
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My point exactly. If it ain't broke, it works. Don't fuck with it. Abe Original Message --- From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Don't worry Abe. I don't hate you. I think you're perfectly normal for not wanting to push your hardware to the point where it begins to melt down and no longer function. Ain't nuttin wrong wit us nuts! Anyways...the last time I attempted to over-clock my AMD K6 233, the one and only time I might add, the screen went black when I rebooted the machine, and I almost didn't get the thing back up. I learned a good lesson that day. Actually I RE-learned an old lesson ma pappy used to tell me: "If it ain't broke boy, don't try and fix the damn thing. Jest leave it alone." That memory has served me well on many occasions. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Abe wrote: its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remem
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why don't you buy your own and overclock it since your so damn hot to see an overclocked duron ;-) Original Message --- From: dwyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:38:01 -0500 uh...who talked 'shit' about you? (You dirty bastard...overclock that processor!) :) dwyatt - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool. However there was a downside. Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really strange was the lo
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and right when i thought this thread had seen its final days :) On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote: why don't you buy your own and overclock it since your so damn hot to see an overclocked duron ;-) Original Message --- From: dwyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:38:01 -0500 uh...who talked 'shit' about you? (You dirty bastard...overclock that processor!) :) dwyatt - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] its funny. The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with thie hardware. Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I don't feel the need to overclock. Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking? Abe = Original Message From "markOpoleO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :) Overclocking is the best thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was awsome, tests showed it. :p markOpoleO - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony not a true question. I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's. Like you I've learned that it is not worth it. If I need pc-150 performance I will buy pc-150 DIMMs. If I need a gig processor I'll buy one. Abe = Original Message From John Rye [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe, The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS noticable, but not a big change. A more significant question is: if a system is overclocked but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go through before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is it worth it. I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ] were OK and had worked well for a year and a half." I've done it, and my answer is that I doubt I will overclock again. As always, remember that your mileage will vary. -Gary- Subj: [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations Date: 5/27/2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder that things can change over time. Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of hardware set me thinking. For the last six months I've had problems with Windows Scandisk completing. I suspected my hard drive was heading toward failure [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of the first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I installed Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD. The Windows Scandisk problem remained. In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs corrupting X windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my 15% overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware. These things were OK and had worked well for a year and a half. Removing the overclocking solved the Scandisk problem. The DIMM timing changed nothing and was reset. Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems. -Gary- In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the good old Z-80. We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The boards (manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and got fantastic performance And it worked well on these beasts. We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times thru-put increase.
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H...it took mine 43 seconds to come up. AMD K6-233 64MB SDRAM 2.2.16 kernel Linux Mandrake 7.1 that's really not too bad. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Patti Wavinak wrote: I hate to disappoint you or maybe I am just lucky -- I have Star Office 5.2 in Linux with 2.2.16 kernel a PII 450 processor and 256M of memory. I just timed how long it took to bring it up -- less than 3 seconds after I clicked on the icon. I'll stick with Star Office but that's jmho. ;-) Patti Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/13/00, 2:18:01 PM, Abe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]: your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( I was talking to someone a while ago who said that Star Office likes 250Mb RAM to run properly - it CRAWLS on less. NutScrape takes a fair bit too. Add VWMare to the package, with a couple of clients, and a gig goes in no time #;-( Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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All this about Star Office got me curious, so I timed it: System: AMD K6-3, 400 Asus p5A-b RAM = 192 (64 + 128 ) HDA = WD 13.6GB HDB = WD 30.7GB SWAP = 128mb OS = SUSE 6.4 - "Practically Everything" option (HDA is almost full) So, from starting to move the cursor to the KDE panel icon to Star Office fully up was: 20.3 seconds. Still, I firmly believe in one fundamental law of computing: There's no such a thing as too much hard drive space or too much RAM. I would give you exact times for mine, but I recently re-installed Linux and have not bothered to re-install StarOffice. I do remember from previous timings that from clicking on the icon to being able to use it was 3 or 4 minutes. It took 60 seconds just to get the splash screen... Regards, Ozz.
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I use a PIII 500 with 64Mb of RAM. Starting up SO does take some time, but I can handle that. The problem is trying to do anything else on your computer, e.g.. use Netscape. Once you change applications your disk starts swapping and never stops. I use VMware and Win95 with Office97. This uses less memory and is 'quicker' than using Staroffice. Maybe I should buy some more RAM and give Staroffice another go. Cheers Francs "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: All this about Star Office got me curious, so I timed it: System: AMD K6-3, 400 Asus p5A-b RAM = 192 (64 + 128 ) HDA = WD 13.6GB HDB = WD 30.7GB SWAP = 128mb OS = SUSE 6.4 - "Practically Everything" option (HDA is almost full) So, from starting to move the cursor to the KDE panel icon to Star Office fully up was: 20.3 seconds. Still, I firmly believe in one fundamental law of computing: There's no such a thing as too much hard drive space or too much RAM. I would give you exact times for mine, but I recently re-installed Linux and have not bothered to re-install StarOffice. I do remember from previous timings that from clicking on the icon to being able to use it was 3 or 4 minutes. It took 60 seconds just to get the splash screen... Regards, Ozz. -- Francois Swanepoel AIX, HACMP and ADSM System Administrator Tel: +2673616961 Fax: +267304144
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where from 15-30 fps more in UT. I don't know if you are one of those ppl saying what's the point of more than 30 fps anyway? So just think about this: do a 360 degree turn in 100ms, divide 360 by your frame rate, your result is how often your view is updated during your turn end of rant :P dwyatt - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] yes but why? My machine never crashes and its on 24/7 with extremely heavy use. I have half-life/quake3/unreal tournament marathons over here where I play on my computer while it hosts for 5-12 people. I do that twice or three times a week for 3-12 hours at a time. The machine just grins and keeps on going. How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Don't forget that the jackasses on the online hardware review sites like firingsquad and such not only tell you to overclock your chips but that the only thing that matters when you buy a video card is how high it scores in 3Dmark and how many fps it will put out in quake3. In other words. Hogwash. Abe = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: no. maybe in a year and a half or so when this computer becomes my experiment bed. u can always unclock your duron. i would overclock it if i was u. with the motherboard u have i believe it is great for overclocking. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. are u going to overclock your duron. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H...it took mine 43 seconds to come up. AMD K6-233 64MB SDRAM 2.2.16 kernel Linux Mandrake 7.1 that's really not too bad. -- Mark = With Navigator, Kbiff, kmail, kppp, four terminals all running, SO 5.1 started in less than 6 seconds on my box (I couldn't resist trying after reading Mark's post). I have a 750mhz Athlon thunderbird, 256mb RAM. I'm running kernel 2.2.16 and using Blackbox as my wm w/o any additional environment. Mike "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing and dreadful idolatry took place there!" Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century
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Linux is fast with 128 megs. It is much faster with 256 and when you put 384 in it really starts to cook. I imagine that a 'hammer with a gig of ram would pretty much do everything right as the thought to do it first crossed your mind. Imagine a world where X and netscape don't push you into swap even though you've got enough ram to power a small third world nation. Perhaps Gnome will finially be nimblebut I am just dreaming now forgive me ;-) Pity us poor souls with 64Mb laptops... Regards, Ozz.
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you have my condolences Ozz. But hey, you can take your linux box with you where ever you go! I have to sit at home in front of my desk to use it. That's a definately worth it trade off. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Linux is fast with 128 megs. It is much faster with 256 and when you put 384 in it really starts to cook. I imagine that a 'hammer with a gig of ram would pretty much do everything right as the thought to do it first crossed your mind. Imagine a world where X and netscape don't push you into swap even though you've got enough ram to power a small third world nation. Perhaps Gnome will finially be nimblebut I am just dreaming now forgive me ;-) Pity us poor souls with 64Mb laptops... Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( I was talking to someone a while ago who said that Star Office likes 250Mb RAM to run properly - it CRAWLS on less. NutScrape takes a fair bit too. Add VWMare to the package, with a couple of clients, and a gig goes in no time #;-( Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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you have my condolences Ozz. But hey, you can take your linux box with you where ever you go! I have to sit at home in front of my desk to use it. That's a definately worth it trade off. How long does it take you to boot StarOffice? I can go make a coffee while it loads on mine (seriously!). It is actually quicker for me to shut down X, reboot into Windoze and load Office97 than it is to load StarOffice from within X. To me, that is pathetic. Laptop Specs: AMD K6-2 @ 380Mhz. 64Mb RAM 6Gb hdd So as you can see, it's not a bad machine - it'll run two Seti@Home clients and still process work units in under 20 hours! (StarOffice performance figures are WITHOUT the likes of Seti running - Seti makes it even worse!) Regards, Ozz.
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Yes, I've experienced that, but it does seem a lot better in version 5.2. It's funny though, I've used the windows version and it seems to work just fine - go figure Mike your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe
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I am using 5.2. It does seem a bit faster in windows though. weird. Abe = Original Message From "Mike Tracy Holt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yes, I've experienced that, but it does seem a lot better in version 5.2. It's funny though, I've used the windows version and it seems to work just fine - go figure Mike your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = you have my condolences Ozz. But hey, you can take your linux box with you where ever you go! I have to sit at home in front of my desk to use it. That's a definately worth it trade off. How long does it take you to boot StarOffice? I can go make a coffee while it loads on mine (seriously!). It is actually quicker for me to shut down X, reboot into Windoze and load Office97 than it is to load StarOffice from within X. To me, that is pathetic. Laptop Specs: AMD K6-2 @ 380Mhz. 64Mb RAM 6Gb hdd So as you can see, it's not a bad machine - it'll run two Seti@Home clients and still process work units in under 20 hours! (StarOffice performance figures are WITHOUT the likes of Seti running - Seti makes it even worse!) Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz.
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the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. are u going to overclock your duron.
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no. maybe in a year and a half or so when this computer becomes my experiment bed. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. are u going to overclock your duron. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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I hate to disappoint you or maybe I am just lucky -- I have Star Office 5.2 in Linux with 2.2.16 kernel a PII 450 processor and 256M of memory. I just timed how long it took to bring it up -- less than 3 seconds after I clicked on the icon. I'll stick with Star Office but that's jmho. ;-) Patti Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/13/00, 2:18:01 PM, Abe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]: your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( I was talking to someone a while ago who said that Star Office likes 250Mb RAM to run properly - it CRAWLS on less. NutScrape takes a fair bit too. Add VWMare to the package, with a couple of clients, and a gig goes in no time #;-( Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: no. maybe in a year and a half or so when this computer becomes my experiment bed. u can always unclock your duron. i would overclock it if i was u. with the motherboard u have i believe it is great for overclocking. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. are u going to overclock your duron. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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Abe...what's this thing you do with seti? It sounds really interesting. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Abe wrote: it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = you have my condolences Ozz. But hey, you can take your linux box with you where ever you go! I have to sit at home in front of my desk to use it. That's a definately worth it trade off. How long does it take you to boot StarOffice? I can go make a coffee while it loads on mine (seriously!). It is actually quicker for me to shut down X, reboot into Windoze and load Office97 than it is to load StarOffice from within X. To me, that is pathetic. Laptop Specs: AMD K6-2 @ 380Mhz. 64Mb RAM 6Gb hdd So as you can see, it's not a bad machine - it'll run two Seti@Home clients and still process work units in under 20 hours! (StarOffice performance figures are WITHOUT the likes of Seti running - Seti makes it even worse!) Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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What is it about Star Office that makes it so stinkin slow anyway? -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Abe wrote: your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( I was talking to someone a while ago who said that Star Office likes 250Mb RAM to run properly - it CRAWLS on less. NutScrape takes a fair bit too. Add VWMare to the package, with a couple of clients, and a gig goes in no time #;-( Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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Seti@home its a distributed computing thing. You go to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and download a utility that runs on your computer when you are not using it. What it does is crunch the data that the SETI program has collected for signs of intelligent life (organized signals). Its a very popular and very cool thing. I've been doing it for about a year now and I've got about 72 blocks of data analyzed on my computers. You can run it on every major OS. Check it out its neato. Abe = Original Message From Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Abe...what's this thing you do with seti? It sounds really interesting. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this| ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Abe wrote: it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = you have my condolences Ozz. But hey, you can take your linux box with you where ever you go! I have to sit at home in front of my desk to use it. That's a definately worth it trade off. How long does it take you to boot StarOffice? I can go make a coffee while it loads on mine (seriously!). It is actually quicker for me to shut down X, reboot into Windoze and load Office97 than it is to load StarOffice from within X. To me, that is pathetic. Laptop Specs: AMD K6-2 @ 380Mhz. 64Mb RAM 6Gb hdd So as you can see, it's not a bad machine - it'll run two Seti@Home clients and still process work units in under 20 hours! (StarOffice performance figures are WITHOUT the likes of Seti running - Seti makes it even worse!) Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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I make them diskless terminals, and share internet. Some day I' going to open 25 internet cafes with about $5 in equipment.:) - Original Message - From: "Paul R" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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yes but why? My machine never crashes and its on 24/7 with extremely heavy use. I have half-life/quake3/unreal tournament marathons over here where I play on my computer while it hosts for 5-12 people. I do that twice or three times a week for 3-12 hours at a time. The machine just grins and keeps on going. How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is now? And how unstable will it be? Bottom line is, I don't need to over clock it to feel like I got my moneys worth. If it ain't broke it works just fins and should be left alone. Don't forget that the jackasses on the online hardware review sites like firingsquad and such not only tell you to overclock your chips but that the only thing that matters when you buy a video card is how high it scores in 3Dmark and how many fps it will put out in quake3. In other words. Hogwash. Abe = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: no. maybe in a year and a half or so when this computer becomes my experiment bed. u can always unclock your duron. i would overclock it if i was u. with the motherboard u have i believe it is great for overclocking. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. are u going to overclock your duron. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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I always joke that its written entirely in Java... = Original Message From Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What is it about Star Office that makes it so stinkin slow anyway? -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this| ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Abe wrote: your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( I was talking to someone a while ago who said that Star Office likes 250Mb RAM to run properly - it CRAWLS on less. NutScrape takes a fair bit too. Add VWMare to the package, with a couple of clients, and a gig goes in no time #;-( Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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go to www.pricewatch.com or www.shopper.com and I think you can find the pair for about us$215 - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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stable at 900MHz, dude! I'd think about it! - Original Message - From: "Abe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] no. maybe in a year and a half or so when this computer becomes my experiment bed. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote: the duron 600s are going for about 75 USD right now. The Asus A7v runs about 160. fairly affordable as far as brand new hardware goes. I spent about three months researching and saving to get this machine built. Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = it actually takes about a minute. I've got a duron 600 machine with 256M of ram. envy It takes my machine 23 hours and 19 minutes to process a data block for seti but I only run seti in windows at the moment. Presumably it will be quite a bit faster in linux. You betcha! Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. are u going to overclock your duron. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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18 seconds. It just feels like a million years since everything else is so damn fast. I've got 2.1.17 kernel, duron 600 and 256M ram. Abe = Original Message From Patti Wavinak [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I hate to disappoint you or maybe I am just lucky -- I have Star Office 5.2 in Linux with 2.2.16 kernel a PII 450 processor and 256M of memory. I just timed how long it took to bring it up -- less than 3 seconds after I clicked on the icon. I'll stick with Star Office but that's jmho. ;-) Patti Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/13/00, 2:18:01 PM, Abe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]: your friend was exaggerating. Star office still crawls on 256M. It crawls on 384! Click on the icon, get up, get a beer, have a smoke, read the newspaper, cook some dinner, Hey! the splash screen is up on the screen! hahahahahaha Abe = Original Message From "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( I was talking to someone a while ago who said that Star Office likes 250Mb RAM to run properly - it CRAWLS on less. NutScrape takes a fair bit too. Add VWMare to the package, with a couple of clients, and a gig goes in no time #;-( Regards, Ozz. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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I generally canabalize from my old computer what I can when I build a new one. When I get enough left overs to make a complete system I do. Right now I've got my new system (duron 600 based) my most recent system (K6-III 400 based) and my first computer (NexGen P-110 based) all running. The NexGen is being groomed for work as a firewall/router while the other two are for daily use and online gaming. I usually either give the parts I don't need to friends/family that need them or I just hold on to them until I need them again. I'm looking forward to playing around with over clocking my duron system when I've replaced it with a sledghammer based system. I plan on using the change over to 64bit processors as my opportunity to go all linux. I won't have any legacy apps to keep my tied into windows at that point. Abe = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, you wrote: I generally canabalize from my old computer what I can when I build a new one. When I get enough left overs to make a complete system I do. Right now I've got my new system (duron 600 based) my most recent system (K6-III 400 based) and my first computer (NexGen P-110 based) all running. The NexGen is being groomed for work as a firewall/router while the other two are for daily use and online gaming. I usually either give the parts I don't need to friends/family that need them or I just hold on to them until I need them again. I'm looking forward to playing around with over clocking my duron system when I've replaced it with a sledghammer based system. I plan on using the change over to 64bit processors as my opportunity to go all linux. I won't have any legacy apps to keep my tied into windows at that point. Abe cool. dreaming of amd hammers with about a gig of memory. h does sounds kinda good huh :) = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, patrick wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, you wrote: I generally canabalize from my old computer what I can when I build a new one. When I get enough left overs to make a complete system I do. Right now I've got my new system (duron 600 based) my most recent system (K6-III 400 based) and my first computer (NexGen P-110 based) all running. The NexGen is being groomed for work as a firewall/router while the other two are for daily use and online gaming. I usually either give the parts I don't need to friends/family that need them or I just hold on to them until I need them again. I'm looking forward to playing around with over clocking my duron system when I've replaced it with a sledghammer based system. I plan on using the change over to 64bit processors as my opportunity to go all linux. I won't have any legacy apps to keep my tied into windows at that point. Abe cool. dreaming of amd hammers with about a gig of memory. h does sounds kinda good huh :) = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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Linux is fast with 128 megs. It is much faster with 256 and when you put 384 in it really starts to cook. I imagine that a 'hammer with a gig of ram would pretty much do everything right as the thought to do it first crossed your mind. Imagine a world where X and netscape don't push you into swap even though you've got enough ram to power a small third world nation. Perhaps Gnome will finially be nimblebut I am just dreaming now forgive me ;-) Dacia --- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What in the world would one do with all that RAM? I can half understand having that much processor, but on a machine that you're not using as a server I can't figure what all that RAM would be good for other than just sitting there and being ALOT of RAM. Poor little programs would get lost in all that room! :( -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, patrick wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, you wrote: I generally canabalize from my old computer what I can when I build a new one. When I get enough left overs to make a complete system I do. Right now I've got my new system (duron 600 based) my most recent system (K6-III 400 based) and my first computer (NexGen P-110 based) all running. The NexGen is being groomed for work as a firewall/router while the other two are for daily use and online gaming. I usually either give the parts I don't need to friends/family that need them or I just hold on to them until I need them again. I'm looking forward to playing around with over clocking my duron system when I've replaced it with a sledghammer based system. I plan on using the change over to 64bit processors as my opportunity to go all linux. I won't have any legacy apps to keep my tied into windows at that point. Abe cool. dreaming of amd hammers with about a gig of memory. h does sounds kinda good huh :) = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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yea, it sounds awesome. Imagine the software bloat that will be possible.. Abe = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, you wrote: I generally canabalize from my old computer what I can when I build a new one. When I get enough left overs to make a complete system I do. Right now I've got my new system (duron 600 based) my most recent system (K6-III 400 based) and my first computer (NexGen P-110 based) all running. The NexGen is being groomed for work as a firewall/router while the other two are for daily use and online gaming. I usually either give the parts I don't need to friends/family that need them or I just hold on to them until I need them again. I'm looking forward to playing around with over clocking my duron system when I've replaced it with a sledghammer based system. I plan on using the change over to 64bit processors as my opportunity to go all linux. I won't have any legacy apps to keep my tied into windows at that point. Abe cool. dreaming of amd hammers with about a gig of memory. h does sounds kinda good huh :) = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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Dacia and AzureRose wrote: Linux is fast with 128 megs. It is much faster with 256 and when you put 384 in it really starts to cook. I imagine that a 'hammer with a gig of ram would pretty much do everything right as the thought to do it first crossed your mind. Imagine a world where X and netscape don't push you into swap even though you've got enough ram to power a small third world nation. Perhaps Gnome will finially be nimblebut I am just dreaming now forgive me ;-) Dacia I heard that! -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496
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hahahahahahaha Amen Sister! Abe = Original Message From Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dacia and AzureRose wrote: Linux is fast with 128 megs. It is much faster with 256 and when you put 384 in it really starts to cook. I imagine that a 'hammer with a gig of ram would pretty much do everything right as the thought to do it first crossed your mind. Imagine a world where X and netscape don't push you into swap even though you've got enough ram to power a small third world nation. Perhaps Gnome will finially be nimblebut I am just dreaming now forgive me ;-) Dacia I heard that! -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this| ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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patrick wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Not to get off topic here, but what do you guys do/plan to do with old parts/components/systems when you're done with them? Charity, auction, trash, or assimilate? Paul R _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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NO, that is incorrect. That statement is a myth promoted through ignorance. I've seen enough destroyed product from overclockers - that I can stand straight and tall and tell you bluntly - overclocking DESTROYS parts. Period. "If you buy it - then it is yours" - is a defense statement that I hear over and over again as to the excuse to try overclocking. Once the part is destroyed - the mantra becomes - "It's under warranty - I want it replaced yesterday" BS - if you destroy it through misuse then it's yours. Period. Learn the facts - and not the hype. Overclocking destroys the forbidden gap. It destroys the electron flow. Overclockers just don't know what they are doing - meanwhile - they promote themselves as if they know about electronics. Overclocking is stupid. -Original Message- From: Abe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] yep and that is also why people can overclock their RAM CPU's without out right destroying them. The hard ware tends to be rated conservatively because it will last longer if it is used at less then 100% of capacity. = Original Message From "John A. MacLaughlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = . . . they make ram and the really good stuf gets rated at 133 and the less great stuf gets rated at 100. Initially pc-100 ram was really high quality pc-66 ram. . . . That's how they get the faster CPU's too. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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You sound pretty passionate about your point...and it looks pretty solid as well. PLEASE DON'T FLAME THIS THREAD... Thanks for not setting me a-blaze too! Slowly yours, Steve Weltman (not able to overclock, cuz I dunno how!) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] NO, that is incorrect. That statement is a myth promoted through ignorance. I've seen enough destroyed product from overclockers - that I can stand straight and tall and tell you bluntly - overclocking DESTROYS parts. Period. "If you buy it - then it is yours" - is a defense statement that I hear over and over again as to the excuse to try overclocking. Once the part is destroyed - the mantra becomes - "It's under warranty - I want it replaced yesterday" BS - if you destroy it through misuse then it's yours. Period. Learn the facts - and not the hype. Overclocking destroys the forbidden gap. It destroys the electron flow. Overclockers just don't know what they are doing - meanwhile - they promote themselves as if they know about electronics. Overclocking is stupid. -Original Message- From: Abe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] yep and that is also why people can overclock their RAM CPU's without out right destroying them. The hard ware tends to be rated conservatively because it will last longer if it is used at less then 100% of capacity. = Original Message From "John A. MacLaughlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = . . . they make ram and the really good stuf gets rated at 133 and the less great stuf gets rated at 100. Initially pc-100 ram was really high quality pc-66 ram. . . . That's how they get the faster CPU's too. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all
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hmmm. I don't remember actually saying that you should or shouldn't overclock. We were simply discussing how ram/cpu's are created and rated for the speeds that they are sold at. Abe (Not overclocked even though I know how cuz I don't want to.) = Original Message From "Steve Weltman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = You sound pretty passionate about your point...and it looks pretty solid as well. PLEASE DON'T FLAME THIS THREAD... Thanks for not setting me a-blaze too! Slowly yours, Steve Weltman (not able to overclock, cuz I dunno how!) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] NO, that is incorrect. That statement is a myth promoted through ignorance. I've seen enough destroyed product from overclockers - that I can stand straight and tall and tell you bluntly - overclocking DESTROYS parts. Period. "If you buy it - then it is yours" - is a defense statement that I hear over and over again as to the excuse to try overclocking. Once the part is destroyed - the mantra becomes - "It's under warranty - I want it replaced yesterday" BS - if you destroy it through misuse then it's yours. Period. Learn the facts - and not the hype. Overclocking destroys the forbidden gap. It destroys the electron flow. Overclockers just don't know what they are doing - meanwhile - they promote themselves as if they know about electronics. Overclocking is stupid. -Original Message- From: Abe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] yep and that is also why people can overclock their RAM CPU's without out right destroying them. The hard ware tends to be rated conservatively because it will last longer if it is used at less then 100% of capacity. = Original Message From "John A. MacLaughlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = . . . they make ram and the really good stuf gets rated at 133 and the less great stuf gets rated at 100. Initially pc-100 ram was really high quality pc-66 ram. . . . That's how they get the faster CPU's too. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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from what I've read about that chip it was actually a factory overclocked chip to begin with. When it turned out to be reallyy unstable they just set it back to its original speed rating which was around 800 or 900 mhz. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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very good point. = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, you wrote: This is true about overclocking destroying hardware. Some chips can't even run stably at their intended clockspeed. Intel's PIII 1.3GHz had so many bloody problems they finally concluded the only way to get it to run cool enough as well as stably was to UNDER-clock itI think they eventually got it running nice at about 800Mhz. Lonny Selinger the worst overclocking can do is possibly limit the life of your overclocked parts. lets see i have a athlon 700 clocked to 805. my memory is set to 153. that means that my memory and processor wont last the 10 years its suppposed to maybe only 5. can u imagine where amd and linux will be in 5 years. i think i will using a hammer at 4.5 gig. with some kind of new memory that has no latency at all. :) maybe we'll be accessory our operating systems with our minds after all Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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With the release of the 760 chip from AMD, Athlons will use DDRAM. Jason Pierce *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 09|04|2000| at 07|55 PM| Abe wrote: Ras far as I know there are no athlon motherboards that actually can use RDRAM. R From my research I'm pretty sure that RDRAM is Intels and Rambus's baby and Reven Intel is having second thoughts. AMD's web site recommends high quality Rpc-100 or pc-133 ram. R R RAbe R R= Original Message From Jaguar [EMAIL PROTECTED] = RSome of the sites I have seen/read suggest that an Athlon runs happier with RRDRam RAnother $0.02 worth...:) RJaguar R R"Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R Abe wrote: R R I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did Rthe R install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the RAbit R board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power Rsupply R and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD R recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm Rusing R pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any R problems. R R Good luck! R R Abe R R Hi Abe. I have a question, even though its not quite related to this Rmessage R thread. Its about that RAM speed rating you mentioned. Is it okay to use RPC-100 R with a fast Athlon system? Somebody told me I'd have to dump the RAM I'm Rusing R with my current K6-III/475mhz, if I upgraded to an Athlon. (bottleneck) R R Thanks for any info! R R -- R R/\ RDarkLord R\/ R R RGretzky shoots RJesus saves RGo to Rhttp://www.getpaid4.com?jaguar182 to make $$$ using YOUR ROWN computer and sigining subscribers in YOUR OWN emails! R RMore than $25,000,000 Already Paid to Members -- Join AllAdvantage today! Rhttp:/www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DEG689 R RHarpoon a gay whale R R R RGet your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at Rhttp://home.netscape.com/webmail R RJesus saves, RAllah forgives, RChthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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You may dl Gentus from their website, www.gentus.com ABIT also has a comparison chart for the differences between 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 /LT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug McGarrett Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 3:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100 There's a review in (or linked from, I forget which) LWN--Linux Weekly News--by theDukeofURL about running Abit's Gentus Linux, ver 3.0, on a KA7-100 board. Apparently the installation went reasonably smoothly. I'll find out for myself pretty soon--I just bought one of those boards, and it came with a disk marked ABIT GL6.2E. I hope this is the latest release, (3.0) but I don't know. The newest files are dated April 2000. According to the Duke, the Gentus is based on Rawhide. Does anybody know when Rawhide came out? There is an ABIT website, but it says nothing about Linux that I could find. Best of luck. If you find out anything I haven't mentioned, please pass it on to me. At 12:24 09/03/2000 -0700, you wrote: I built an Athlon system about 3-4 months ago and started out with the Abit motherboard which would NOT work even after trying 2 different boards. I switched to Asus K7V and it works great! I haven't really heard anything good about the onboard ATA100 nor abit for Athlon. My system is as follows: Asus K7V Athlon 700 Matrox G400 SoundBlaster live 512 MB RAM 2x 20 hdd's Win2k pro, server, Win98, Linux-Mandrake 7.1, and have had Suse 7.0 loaded all at the same time without problems. Mike Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install (fortunately it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked.
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yep and that is also why people can overclock their RAM CPU's without out right destroying them. The hard ware tends to be rated conservatively because it will last longer if it is used at less then 100% of capacity. = Original Message From "John A. MacLaughlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = . . . they make ram and the really good stuf gets rated at 133 and the less great stuf gets rated at 100. Initially pc-100 ram was really high quality pc-66 ram. . . . That's how they get the faster CPU's too. Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
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A couple of things. First, RH 6.2 installation will proceed on a Tbird or Duron but you will receive a Kernel panic on reboot. POSSIBLE SOLUTION This issue appears to be related to a Processor Serial Number function supported by Redhat that the Duron does not. There are two possible resolutions depending upon the status of your installation. 1. When first installing Redhat 6.2 (or 6.1) you will be asked at some stage if you require any special parameters for the kernel. At this point enter: x86_serial_nr=1 Once installed, this parameter is already in the kernel and there is no need to do more. 2. If Redhat was already installed type at the lilo prompt: linux x86_serial_nr=1 Once you boot, recompile the kernel with the: "Disable Serial Number at boot" left clear. Next, to the person saying RAMBUS memory and the Athlon work better together ... umm... no ... chipsets designed to work with the AMD Processors are designed for PC100, PC133, or DDR memory. Not RAMBUS. Also, Abe is correct that the power supply and RAM must be of high quality. However, the A7V has a promise technology controller (in addition to the chipsets IDE controller). Some people are trying to boot Linux from a hard drive attached to the Promise controller. AFAIK, this doesn't work. If someone knows the comparative GRUB commands for the following LILO then it might work... ide3=0xa000,0x9802 ide4=0x9400,0x9002 Hope that helps. This link might also be of interest. http://www.linuxtests.org/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=ReadBID= 9TID=7 Cheers, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of patrick Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100] Abe wrote: I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did the install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the Abit board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power supply and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm using pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any problems. Good luck! Abe = Original Message From Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] = "Scott Adamson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install (fortunately it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked. Hi Scott, I'm running L-M 7.1 on an Athlon Thunderbird 750. ASUS A7V, 200mhz FSB. Can't be too much help on install, however, since i bought the box with OS pre-installed from ASL. Obviously it's possible, but not sure if they had to jumpp through any hoops to get it running. I did notice that they had upgraded the kernel to 2.2.16. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. if u have sound on mother board. turn it off. check it
RE: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100
There's a review in (or linked from, I forget which) LWN--Linux Weekly News--by theDukeofURL about running Abit's Gentus Linux, ver 3.0, on a KA7-100 board. Apparently the installation went reasonably smoothly. I'll find out for myself pretty soon--I just bought one of those boards, and it came with a disk marked ABIT GL6.2E. I hope this is the latest release, (3.0) but I don't know. The newest files are dated April 2000. According to the Duke, the Gentus is based on Rawhide. Does anybody know when Rawhide came out? There is an ABIT website, but it says nothing about Linux that I could find. Best of luck. If you find out anything I haven't mentioned, please pass it on to me. At 12:24 09/03/2000 -0700, you wrote: I built an Athlon system about 3-4 months ago and started out with the Abit motherboard which would NOT work even after trying 2 different boards. I switched to Asus K7V and it works great! I haven't really heard anything good about the onboard ATA100 nor abit for Athlon. My system is as follows: Asus K7V Athlon 700 Matrox G400 SoundBlaster live 512 MB RAM 2x 20 hdd's Win2k pro, server, Win98, Linux-Mandrake 7.1, and have had Suse 7.0 loaded all at the same time without problems. Mike Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install (fortunately it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked.
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as far as I know there are no athlon motherboards that actually can use RDRAM. From my research I'm pretty sure that RDRAM is Intels and Rambus's baby and even Intel is having second thoughts. AMD's web site recommends high quality pc-100 or pc-133 ram. Abe = Original Message From Jaguar [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Some of the sites I have seen/read suggest that an Athlon runs happier with RDRam Another $0.02 worth...:) Jaguar "Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe wrote: I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did the install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the Abit board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power supply and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm using pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any problems. Good luck! Abe Hi Abe. I have a question, even though its not quite related to this message thread. Its about that RAM speed rating you mentioned. Is it okay to use PC-100 with a fast Athlon system? Somebody told me I'd have to dump the RAM I'm using with my current K6-III/475mhz, if I upgraded to an Athlon. (bottleneck) Thanks for any info! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Gretzky shoots Jesus saves Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?jaguar182 to make $$$ using YOUR OWN computer and sigining subscribers in YOUR OWN emails! More than $25,000,000 Already Paid to Members -- Join AllAdvantage today! http:/www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DEG689 Harpoon a gay whale Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]
I'm not having any problems. My old box was an AMD K6III-400. I took the ram out of my asus p5a and put it in my asus A7V and everything runs great. It is not brand name ram. However, all 384 megs were bought in the past 10 months. If your ram is appreciable older then that you might have problems. I've read that most pc-133 ram is simply high quality pc-100 ram or to put it another way, they make ram and the really good stuf gets rated at 133 and the less great stuf gets rated at 100. Initially pc-100 ram was really high quality pc-66 ram. Wow, that was a long winded answer. Hope it helps. Abe = Original Message From "Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Abe wrote: I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did the install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the Abit board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power supply and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm using pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any problems. Good luck! Abe Hi Abe. I have a question, even though its not quite related to this message thread. Its about that RAM speed rating you mentioned. Is it okay to use PC-100 with a fast Athlon system? Somebody told me I'd have to dump the RAM I'm using with my current K6-III/475mhz, if I upgraded to an Athlon. (bottleneck) Thanks for any info! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]
"Scott Adamson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install (fortunately it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked. Hi Scott, I'm running L-M 7.1 on an Athlon Thunderbird 750. ASUS A7V, 200mhz FSB. Can't be too much help on install, however, since i bought the box with OS pre-installed from ASL. Obviously it's possible, but not sure if they had to jumpp through any hoops to get it running. I did notice that they had upgraded the kernel to 2.2.16. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
RE: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100
I built an Athlon system about 3-4 months ago and started out with the Abit motherboard which would NOT work even after trying 2 different boards. I switched to Asus K7V and it works great! I haven't really heard anything good about the onboard ATA100 nor abit for Athlon. My system is as follows: Asus K7V Athlon 700 Matrox G400 SoundBlaster live 512 MB RAM 2x 20 hdd's Win2k pro, server, Win98, Linux-Mandrake 7.1, and have had Suse 7.0 loaded all at the same time without problems. Mike Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install (fortunately it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked.
Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]
Abe wrote: I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did the install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the Abit board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power supply and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm using pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any problems. Good luck! Abe = Original Message From Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] = "Scott Adamson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install (fortunately it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked. Hi Scott, I'm running L-M 7.1 on an Athlon Thunderbird 750. ASUS A7V, 200mhz FSB. Can't be too much help on install, however, since i bought the box with OS pre-installed from ASL. Obviously it's possible, but not sure if they had to jumpp through any hoops to get it running. I did notice that they had upgraded the kernel to 2.2.16. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. if u have sound on mother board. turn it off. check it
Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]
Abe wrote: I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did the install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the Abit board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power supply and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm using pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any problems. Good luck! Abe Hi Abe. I have a question, even though its not quite related to this message thread. Its about that RAM speed rating you mentioned. Is it okay to use PC-100 with a fast Athlon system? Somebody told me I'd have to dump the RAM I'm using with my current K6-III/475mhz, if I upgraded to an Athlon. (bottleneck) Thanks for any info! -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: [Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]]
Some of the sites I have seen/read suggest that an Athlon runs happier with RDRam Another $0.02 worth...:) Jaguar "Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abe wrote: I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard. I did the install myself. 7.1 installed perfectly on my system. Perhaps it is the Abit board that is causing the problems? The other possible issue is power supply and RAM. The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply and AMD recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips. I'm using pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had any problems. Good luck! Abe Hi Abe. I have a question, even though its not quite related to this message thread. Its about that RAM speed rating you mentioned. Is it okay to use PC-100 with a fast Athlon system? Somebody told me I'd have to dump the RAM I'm using with my current K6-III/475mhz, if I upgraded to an Athlon. (bottleneck) Thanks for any info! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Gretzky shoots Jesus saves Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?jaguar182 to make $$$ using YOUR OWN computer and sigining subscribers in YOUR OWN emails! More than $25,000,000 Already Paid to Members -- Join AllAdvantage today! http:/www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DEG689 Harpoon a gay whale Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
