Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Friday 29 Oct 2004 00:52, Erylon Hines wrote: Ann, I didn't see Kaj say that he actually booted up to the log-in screen and chose to go to Gnome or KDE directly from the drop-down list (I could have missed it). I think that he may have logged out of kde and logged back into the Xfce desktop. In that case, it could be a KDE bug, because the process was still running. Did you try rebooting and choosing Gnome, to see if the problem goes away? Yes, Kaj has confirmed that he did not boot directly into Gnome. I didn't try Gnome myself, but I did try IceWM and there was no problem there. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Friday 29 Oct 2004 08:53, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Erylon, you are absolutely right. I did exactly that. But now, I just made a comlete shutdown/restart, logged directly into gnome and connected the camera. As in KDE it immidiately started to fill up my screen with an infinete amount of senseless icons ( see attached screenshot - there are only 2 photos in the camera ) and top shows CPU running at 80% (a small improvement, nevertheless). The process consuming the cycles seems to be related to USB. So, the mystery isn't 100% KDE-related. When they say that the bug is fixed, does that mean that the bug report is closed? This info really should be attached to the report. I'm concerned that the symptoms we are seeing are not entirely consistent with what's reported in but 12023. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Friday 29 October 2004 10:34, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 29 Oct 2004 08:53, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Erylon, you are absolutely right. I did exactly that. But now, I just made a comlete shutdown/restart, logged directly into gnome and connected the camera. As in KDE it immidiately started to fill up my screen with an infinete amount of senseless icons ( see attached screenshot - there are only 2 photos in the camera ) and top shows CPU running at 80% (a small improvement, nevertheless). The process consuming the cycles seems to be related to USB. So, the mystery isn't 100% KDE-related. When they say that the bug is fixed, does that mean that the bug report is closed? This info really should be attached to the report. I'm concerned that the symptoms we are seeing are not entirely consistent with what's reported in but 12023. Anne Well Anne, I too suspect there is something underneith this bug, but let us wait and see how things behave after the kdebase-upgrade. Have a nice week-end, Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 00:21, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Well H.J. my palm are WET. I know the feeling of messing around in /boot and lilo ! Right now I installed the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel, with no evident errors. But the camera still behaves like in the -12 kernel. So no go here. Next, I'll try to install the 2.4 kernel. Hopefully that'll change things to the better. Kaj Haulrich. Are you running devfs or udev? It should show at bootime if you're running devfs as udev will then be disabled. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 22:50, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: Methinks there's something ugly going on between hotplug and udev on your system...so you might consider disabling both and using devfs as a service at boot instead. I'm still using 2.6.1-10 (with udev) and thus can't stat your bugit's definitely worth investigating though. I haven't got around to changing to udev yet, so it may not be a factor at all. I have 2.6.1-12 with supermount, and I'm still seeing the problem. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 08:42, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: Are you running devfs or udev? It should show at bootime if you're running devfs as udev will then be disabled. Mine is udev Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 09:42, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 00:21, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Well H.J. my palm are WET. I know the feeling of messing around in /boot and lilo ! Right now I installed the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel, with no evident errors. But the camera still behaves like in the -12 kernel. So no go here. Next, I'll try to install the 2.4 kernel. Hopefully that'll change things to the better. Kaj Haulrich. Are you running devfs or udev? It should show at bootime if you're running devfs as udev will then be disabled. I tried the 2.4 kernel, which denied me access to the net (eth0 [failed]) and my mouse. Gave it up. So, now I'm back in 2.6.8.1-12mdk. Disabling udev doesn't improve the matter, and in lilo I have devfs=nomount. However, I can retrieve my photos by booting into runlevel 3, mount the camera as /dev/sda1 and copy the files over. Then reboot to cool down the CPU. Circumstantial, I think. I've been contemplating switching to another distro, but I really love Mandrake in spite of this, and I strongly suspect that whatever distro I choose I will meet another collection of time-consuming issues to get it working. So I'll stay with Mandrake and live with it, as is. That doesn't stop me from wondering, however, why the good folks at Mandrake don't know the good, ole rule : if it ain't broke, don't fix it. In my experience, every new release fixes some bugs, introduces new features , but nevertheless breakes things that worked well before Cheers Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:38, Anne Wilson wrote: I haven't got around to changing to udev yet, so it may not be a factor at all. I have 2.6.1-12 with supermount, and I'm still seeing the problem. When kaj ran tail -f /var/log/messages whilst plugging in the camera there were some strange entries on sda's size and sort. What does your's say? From what I've seen until now, I'd eliminate supermount as the culprit. I take this a new 10.1 install you're talking about as 10.0 used devfs and keeps it when you upgrade I haven't got my camera here at this box, but for comparison here's what I get when attaching my USB stick (which works exactly the same as my camera): Oct 28 10:52:54 triade1 su(pam_unix)[7057]: session opened for user root by triade(uid=501) Oct 28 10:53:04 triade1 kernel: usb 2-2.1: new full speed USB device using address 3 Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: Vendor: Generic Model: USB Flash Disk Rev: 2.00 Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Oct 28 10:53:05 triade1 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 scsi.agent[7145]: disk at /devices/pci:00/:00:1f.4/usb2/2-2/2-2.1/2-2.1:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: sda: Unit Not Ready, sense: Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: Current : sense key Unit Attention Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: Additional sense: Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed. Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: sda : status=1, message=00, host=0, driver=08 Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: Current sd: sense key Unit Attention Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: Additional sense: Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Oct 28 10:53:06 triade1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through *** This has the effect of it not getting mounted or being able to mount it, I'll spare you the details:) pulling the stick and reinserting it again works fine with the following lines leading to success: Oct 28 10:57:50 triade1 kernel: usb 2-2.1: new full speed USB device using address 6 Oct 28 10:57:51 triade1 kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 28 10:57:51 triade1 kernel: Vendor: Generic Model: USB Flash Disk Rev: 2.00 Oct 28 10:57:51 triade1 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 28 10:57:52 triade1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 255488 512-byte hdwr sectors (131 MB) Oct 28 10:57:52 triade1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Oct 28 10:57:52 triade1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Oct 28 10:57:52 triade1 kernel: /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Oct 28 10:57:52 triade1 kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Oct 28 10:57:52 triade1 scsi.agent[7509]: disk at /devices/pci:00/:00:1f.4/usb2/2-2/2-2.1/2-2.1:1.0/host1/1:0:0:0 Oct 28 10:57:53 triade1 perl: drakupdate_fstab called with --auto --add /dev/sda1 * Frankly I always run tail -f /var/log/messages when expecting trouble with USB that way I know where to find the thing...plugging into another port might call it /dev/sb1 or whatever. I've got quite a few devices on USB like an external DVD/CD-burner, gps reciever, palm device, USB stick, camera, wireless card, mouse, printer and keyboard. All work but some do sometimes need re-initiation like the usb-stick above. Be sure to disable harddrake at boot time if these devices aren't permanently connected. If you don't change your system around a lot you don't need it anyway...just a waste of time at boot. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 09:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: That doesn't stop me from wondering, however, why the good folks at Mandrake don't know the good, ole rule : if it ain't broke, don't fix it. In my experience, every new release fixes some bugs, introduces new features , but nevertheless breakes things that worked well before Kaj, this has to be reported as a bug. If they aren't told they can't do anything about it. As far as I can see, since no-one has reported otherwise, other cameras must be mounting correctly, so maybe the xD format is implicated. As you have done most investigation of this, will you start the report off (anthill, I presume) then point me at it and I'll back you up. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: However, I can retrieve my photos by booting into runlevel 3, mount the camera as /dev/sda1 and copy the files over. Then reboot to cool down the CPU. Circumstantial, I think. doing telint 1 should also resolve that, after which you can telinit 3 or 5 again. I.e. you shouldn't need to reboot. Installing 2.4 was bound to give you problems, especially in respect to certain modules 2.6 has. Going into mcc and disabling udev as well as enabling devfs at boot in the system services department is what might resolv something. BTW, doesn't the box quiten down when removing the camera? -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 10:09, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: From what I've seen until now, I'd eliminate supermount as the culprit. I take this a new 10.1 install you're talking about as 10.0 used devfs and keeps it when you upgrade Yes, this was a clean 10.1 install. I reported the supermount, because I was half-asleep when I read, and thought that magic-whatever that replaces it was being suspected. I think you were actually talking devfs and udev, in which case I'm running udev, but Kaj has ruled that one out, so ignore my ramblings ;-) I haven't got my camera here at this box, but for comparison here's what I get when attaching my USB stick (which works exactly the same as my camera): I did check out harddrake, while correctly recognised the camera. I didn't check 'messages', but I will do that later today. I can run the camera on this box first to pick up any log entries that refer to it, then try it on the 10.1 box and compare output. I'll get back to you. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:18, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: replies within On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: However, I can retrieve my photos by booting into runlevel 3, mount the camera as /dev/sda1 and copy the files over. Then reboot to cool down the CPU. Circumstantial, I think. doing telint 1 should also resolve that, after which you can telinit 3 or 5 again. I.e. you shouldn't need to reboot. Telinit 3 works OK, but the CPU is running like mad, nevertheless. Going back into runlevel 5 doesn't stop it. Only a reboot. Installing 2.4 was bound to give you problems, especially in respect to certain modules 2.6 has. It certainly did. Going into mcc and disabling udev as well as enabling devfs at boot in the system services department is what might resolv something. well, I don't have devfs. According to some bugzilla reports, quite the opposite is needed. Warly posted something in his notes on 10.1, saying disable devfs, enable udev. Confusing. BTW, doesn't the box quiten down when removing the camera? Nope. Keeps running at 99% . And Anne, thanks for your support, I intend to report the bug in bugzilla later today, but I have to pin the problem down a little further in order to avoid too much verbosity. And, for the fun of it, I found another solution that doesn't burn my CPU : Boot into Knoppix, where the camera shows nicely as another harddisk, ftp the photos to my website and - being back in Mandrake, ftp them home again. Where there is a will, there is a way... Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:52, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:18, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: replies within On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: However, I can retrieve my photos by booting into runlevel 3, mount the camera as /dev/sda1 and copy the files over. Then reboot to cool down the CPU. Circumstantial, I think. doing telint 1 should also resolve that, after which you can telinit 3 or 5 again. I.e. you shouldn't need to reboot. Telinit 3 works OK, but the CPU is running like mad, nevertheless. Going back into runlevel 5 doesn't stop it. Only a reboot. I meant going into single-user mode/failsafe alternatively you could boot into falisafe and try connecting the device in there. Installing 2.4 was bound to give you problems, especially in respect to certain modules 2.6 has. It certainly did. Going into mcc and disabling udev as well as enabling devfs at boot in the system services department is what might resolv something. well, I don't have devfs. According to some bugzilla reports, quite the opposite is needed. Warly posted something in his notes on 10.1, saying disable devfs, enable udev. Confusing. Yep, but it's not easy to pinpoint what's happeninghence my propositions BTW, doesn't the box quiten down when removing the camera? Nope. Keeps running at 99% . In telinit 1 too? BTW, what does top say as to what's hogging the cpu? Try killing the culprit. Boot into Knoppix, where the camera shows nicely as another harddisk, ftp the photos to my website and - being back in Mandrake, ftp them home again. Where there is a will, there is a way... I always boot into slax or slackware.it's a lot faster at boot time;) Always carry a miniCD with Slax on it with me..there's even smaller which fit on a credit card CD (50Mb) like the FreeSoftwareFoundation membership cardhint, hint, nudge, nudge! ;) Alas those creditcardCD's always break in my wallet on the long run:( -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 12:15, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:52, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:18, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: replies within On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: However, I can retrieve my photos by booting into runlevel 3, mount the camera as /dev/sda1 and copy the files over. Then reboot to cool down the CPU. Circumstantial, I think. doing telint 1 should also resolve that, after which you can telinit 3 or 5 again. I.e. you shouldn't need to reboot. Telinit 3 works OK, but the CPU is running like mad, nevertheless. Going back into runlevel 5 doesn't stop it. Only a reboot. I meant going into single-user mode/failsafe alternatively you could boot into falisafe and try connecting the device in there. Installing 2.4 was bound to give you problems, especially in respect to certain modules 2.6 has. It certainly did. Going into mcc and disabling udev as well as enabling devfs at boot in the system services department is what might resolv something. well, I don't have devfs. According to some bugzilla reports, quite the opposite is needed. Warly posted something in his notes on 10.1, saying disable devfs, enable udev. Confusing. Yep, but it's not easy to pinpoint what's happeninghence my propositions BTW, doesn't the box quiten down when removing the camera? Nope. Keeps running at 99% . In telinit 1 too? BTW, what does top say as to what's hogging the cpu? Try killing the culprit. Boot into Knoppix, where the camera shows nicely as another harddisk, ftp the photos to my website and - being back in Mandrake, ftp them home again. Where there is a will, there is a way... I always boot into slax or slackware.it's a lot faster at boot time;) Always carry a miniCD with Slax on it with me..there's even smaller which fit on a credit card CD (50Mb) like the FreeSoftwareFoundation membership cardhint, hint, nudge, nudge! ;) Alas those creditcardCD's always break in my wallet on the long run:( Booting into failsafe does nothing. The system can't see it. Trying a manual mount as sda0, sda1 etc.. fails, as there is no entry in fstab. And to Anne : I have committed a report to bugzilla (no. 12205), as there is no entry for 10.1 in Anthill.. Plenty of other bugs concerning cameras, but no mention of the runaway process. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kaj Haulrich wrote: well, I don't have devfs. According to some bugzilla reports, quite the opposite is needed. Warly posted something in his notes on 10.1, saying disable devfs, enable udev. Confusing. BTW, doesn't the box quiten down when removing the camera? Nope. Keeps running at 99% . And Anne, thanks for your support, I intend to report the bug in bugzilla later today, but I have to pin the problem down a little further in order to avoid too much verbosity. And, for the fun of it, I found another solution that doesn't burn my CPU : Boot into Knoppix, where the camera shows nicely as another harddisk, ftp the photos to my website and - being back in Mandrake, ftp them home again. Where there is a will, there is a way... Still sounds to me like hotplug and friends. Before I told you how to disable hotplug with chkconfig, but I didn't mention stopping the service (service hotplug stop). It's quite rare in my experience that the kernel itself would be thrashing the machine like that. If it is, you'd see dmesg flooded with messages, but more often you'd see an oops or panic. I'd also doubt udev as a major factor. The normal problem with udev is the device not showing up at all in /dev. I tried several external devices yesterday, as a quick test. My Canon camera, which the kernel saw but didn't recognize as a storage device, a usb CF reader, a USB SD reader, and an external USB hard-drive. In none of the cases, did the kernel give any indication it was aware of the actual media type, aside from the identifier string of the reader device, that's pretty much the reader's job the deal with the media. -- Stew Benedict Mandrakesoft --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:12, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 09:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: That doesn't stop me from wondering, however, why the good folks at Mandrake don't know the good, ole rule : if it ain't broke, don't fix it. In my experience, every new release fixes some bugs, introduces new features , but nevertheless breakes things that worked well before Kaj, this has to be reported as a bug. If they aren't told they can't do anything about it. As far as I can see, since no-one has reported otherwise, other cameras must be mounting correctly, so maybe the xD format is implicated. As you have done most investigation of this, will you start the report off (anthill, I presume) then point me at it and I'll back you up. Anne Anne, I have reported the bug (12205), and you know what : The kde-mandrake team replied that it is a dupe of another, well known and fixed bug in kdebase. I wonder if it is true, because it affects Gnome as well - on my system, that is. The bug is here : http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 Now I wonder if we'll have to wait until 10.2 to get it fixed. I suppose installing the new kdebase from cooker will raise havoc on a 10.1 system. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 15:02, Stew Benedict wrote: snip Still sounds to me like hotplug and friends. Before I told you how to disable hotplug with chkconfig, but I didn't mention stopping the service (service hotplug stop). It's quite rare in my experience that the kernel itself would be thrashing the machine like that. If it is, you'd see dmesg flooded with messages, but more often you'd see an oops or panic. I'd also doubt udev as a major factor. The normal problem with udev is the device not showing up at all in /dev. I tried several external devices yesterday, as a quick test. My Canon camera, which the kernel saw but didn't recognize as a storage device, a usb CF reader, a USB SD reader, and an external USB hard-drive. In none of the cases, did the kernel give any indication it was aware of the actual media type, aside from the identifier string of the reader device, that's pretty much the reader's job the deal with the media. /snip Well Stew, stopping hotplug doesn't make any difference. But maybe the solution is closing in, please see my last post. Thanks Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 15:09, Kaj Haulrich wrote: The kde-mandrake team replied that it is a dupe of another, well known and fixed bug in kdebase. I wonder if it is true, because it affects Gnome as well - on my system, that is. The bug is here : http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 Took a look at that and it certainly looks partially the same. If you indeed booted into level 3 and had the same problem it would be surprising indeed if KDE was the culprit, though. Running top could've enlightened that. So what happened? Boot into init 3 and check again.that way you can file a bug report (if it is a bug) that won't get KDE related. To install-testrun the base package do urpmi --test kde-base.123mdk.rpm (or whatever the packages name is) and see if it gives dependancy-hell or not:) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 02:42 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 00:21, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Well H.J. my palm are WET. I know the feeling of messing around in /boot and lilo ! Right now I installed the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel, with no evident errors. But the camera still behaves like in the -12 kernel. So no go here. Next, I'll try to install the 2.4 kernel. Hopefully that'll change things to the better. Kaj Haulrich. Are you running devfs or udev? It should show at bootime if you're running devfs as udev will then be disabled. You can check anytime... tom # service udev status udev is running [ OK ] you can check for devfsd with 'service devfsd status' which will return a usage: warning. This means devfs is not being used. To be on the safe side, you can put 'devfs=nomount' in your bootloader (lilo's append line). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 05:15 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: ..there's even smaller which fit on a credit card CD (50Mb) like the FreeSoftwareFoundation membership cardhint, hint, nudge, nudge! ;) Had one for years ;) BTW, did you get the (free to members) book the Free Software Foundation sent out recently, Free Culture? Interesting reading an I'm only about 10% into the book. For those that don't know what we're talking about, visit http://www.gnu.org/ and please consider becoming a Associate Member. Your MandrakeLinux is Linux (the kernel), but the rest of it (99%) is GNU software. They need your support just as much as the Mandrake Club does. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 16:36, Tom Brinkman wrote: Had one for years ;) BTW, did you get the (free to members) book the Free Software Foundation sent out recently, Free Culture? Interesting reading an I'm only about 10% into the book. I have and have gotten as far as you. Just need one nice quiet evening to get into it again.those are sparse:) For those that don't know what we're talking about, visit http://www.gnu.org/ and please consider becoming a Associate Member. Your MandrakeLinux is Linux (the kernel), but the rest of it (99%) is GNU software. They need your support just as much as the Mandrake Club does. Heheh;) I've been in evangelist mode a few times too..reading the book makes one realize how important these issues realy are. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On October 28, 2004 02:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: ... That doesn't stop me from wondering, however, why the good folks at Mandrake don't know the good, ole rule : if it ain't broke, don't fix it. In my experience, every new release fixes some bugs, introduces new features , but nevertheless breakes things that worked well before Cheers Kaj Haulrich. Because the rule for Linux is if it ain't broke, you're not trying hard enough :^) -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 20:51, Tom Brinkman wrote: IIRC the only anomaly you reported Anne was cpufreq errors in boot logs. I meant to respond, sorry. I had the same. Cpufreq is used for laptops to control power usage and heat thru manipulating processor speed. On a desktop, just 'urpme cpufreq' I've found a bunch of reports while scouring logs. Many may be totally unimportant, but I'll post them later. One thing at a time ;-) As to the Digital camera kills MDK 10.1 deal, I don't have a USB camera (mine's serial), but I suspect the problem might be solved by tryin a different kernel. I believe Stew said much the same. I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho I've run a bunch of tests against 2.6.8.1-10 - it's no better than -12. I'll pick up another message in this thread as the best place to go through all I've done. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 10:09, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:38, Anne Wilson wrote: I haven't got around to changing to udev yet, so it may not be a factor at all. I have 2.6.1-12 with supermount, and I'm still seeing the problem. When kaj ran tail -f /var/log/messages whilst plugging in the camera there were some strange entries on sda's size and sort. What does your's say? Nothing unexpected at all. More on that below - I've run a bunch of tests as follows: Running kernel 2.6.8.1-10 - attempted to access camera through kdesu konqueror - can see all files - but top shows kdeinit at 99.5% Attempts to kill kdeinit not successful - I can never get the syntax right killall -9 kdeinit takes me back to login screen - login - kdeinit still 98.9% Reboot Top - kdeinit not in first 20+ lines add camera - still not there Open konqueror - kdeinit reaches 23%, then disappears from list. Cannot browse camera in konqueror Cannot ls /mnt/removable Start MCC - check options, then mount with MCC - kdeinit 98.6% Cannot launch konqueror kdeinit drops back to 55% kdesu konqueror launches - kdeinit 98.9% - but can't browse camera Close konqueror - kdeinit 98.6% cannot ls /mnt/removable kdeinit 95.9% shooting up to 99.2% - konsole is the only kde app open at that time. tail /var/log/messages - nothing at all unexpected. No problems apparent. Reboot Kernel 2.6.8.1-12 Booted as linux 3 Can list files on camera Top - kdeinit not on screen Reboot Switch on camera during kde launch - forgot to wait - kdeinit 99.2% without attempting to browse. Reboot Boot to IceWM session Can ls all files Can copy a file and paste it to /home/david I haven't tried Gnome. I gather that Kaj found the same problem there. If that had not been so I would have felt that it was definitely kde-related. Another thing that puzzles me, is that the first time, when I accessed as root, I could see all the files in konqueror. I did not manage that again. Is there a significance in that on that occasion I accessed as root first - before trying to access as user? I don't know whether any of this helps Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 19:57, Anne Wilson wrote: I haven't tried Gnome. I gather that Kaj found the same problem there. If that had not been so I would have felt that it was definitely kde-related. Another thing that puzzles me, is that the first time, when I accessed as root, I could see all the files in konqueror. I did not manage that again. Is there a significance in that on that occasion I accessed as root first - before trying to access as user? I don't know whether any of this helps Anne This looks like the KDE bug that Kaj was pointed to...the gnome part could be puzzling except: if calling a KDE app. like konq or kedit. I had gathered he had the same experiences on runlevel 3 but I'm not sure anymore. Here's the bug again: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 19:05, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: This looks like the KDE bug that Kaj was pointed to...the gnome part could be puzzling except: if calling a KDE app. like konq or kedit. I had gathered he had the same experiences on runlevel 3 but I'm not sure anymore. Here's the bug again: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 It could be - but my gut reaction is that it's not. Now we have to try to find that kdebase update that is supposed to cure it. I've been so busy this week that I haven't had time to set up any new sources, and BitTorrent says that I need another 100 hours to download the powerpack :-( - this after I have tried to strangle the upload to 10. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Thursday 28 October 2004 19:57, Anne Wilson wrote: I haven't tried Gnome. I gather that Kaj found the same problem there. If that had not been so I would have felt that it was definitely kde-related. Another thing that puzzles me, is that the first time, when I accessed as root, I could see all the files in konqueror. I did not manage that again. Is there a significance in that on that occasion I accessed as root first - before trying to access as user? I don't know whether any of this helps Anne This looks like the KDE bug that Kaj was pointed to...the gnome part could be puzzling except: if calling a KDE app. like konq or kedit. I had gathered he had the same experiences on runlevel 3 but I'm not sure anymore. Here's the bug again: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Can we please get off of this. It has been going on for days now. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 19:25, Roy Babin wrote: Can we please get off of this. It has been going on for days now. It may not be important to you, but it is to us. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
Praedor has raised a similar thread in Expert, and Tim Sawchuck pointed to this cooker thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=109851321432683w=2 This bit may clear up the Gnome anomaly: quote This is a known bug. You can kill the kded and then restart it with kdeinit kded which will give access to the services menu but alas there's not much you can do there. This bug was introduced by a cooker update I am hoping that it is an install thing and when a fresh install is done 10.1 final it will be sorted out. If you temporarily use Gnome there is no problem. Be aware that if you start kde and then go into Gnome the kded process will have already have been started. You must go directly to Gnome from the dm. /quote The bug, if it is the same one as we have seen, has been fixed, and is coming. quote It will be in updates as soon as 10.1 OE is out. /quote The only thing is, having read the thread, I'm still not absolutely sure that it's the same bug. We'll have to see whether this 'fix' fixes it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 11:42 am, Anne Wilson wrote: | On Thursday 28 Oct 2004 19:25, Roy Babin wrote: | Can we please get off of this. It has been going on for days now. | | It may not be important to you, but it is to us. | | Anne And me, because I have an Olympus 750UZ, and I may be upgrading to 10.x one of these days, so I'm following this thread closely. Ann, I didn't see Kaj say that he actually booted up to the log-in screen and chose to go to Gnome or KDE directly from the drop-down list (I could have missed it). I think that he may have logged out of kde and logged back into the Xfce desktop. In that case, it could be a KDE bug, because the process was still running. Did you try rebooting and choosing Gnome, to see if the problem goes away? e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 00:26, Aron Smith wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 01:14 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:40, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 12:13 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: H.J. - Now I dared to connect my camera, but with the usual result : my system went completely bezerk. Here I the output from /var/log/messages : Oct 26 21:05:45 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: C740UZ Rev: 1.00 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. .And it goes on and on forever. Furthermore, lsmod mentiones nothing about a camera. There is no camera listed by lsmod, as your camera is seen as a hard drive, nothing more. See up above about the USB Mass Storage support. Mine is too. That is normal for many cameras on the market. What happens if you disable supermount with a supermount disable command at root? There is also another tool like supermount that installs with Gnome, but I forget what it is. I uninstalled it long ago. Rob Well, to answer H.J. and Rob : No, of course my camera doesn't hold 17 GB (!) - only 128 MB. It took me a while to post this, because I had to reboot 4 times in order to get rid of all those strange icons and calm down my CPU a little. I tried supermount -i disable with no succes, and I removed magicdev as well. No changes, still this camera (or is it the xD card in it ?) haunts my system. I even tried to connect it to my daughters Windows-box in order to check if the card was defunct, which it isn't (and the camera screen works O.K.). To me this seems like a USB malfunction. I tried to add the camera to /etc/fstab with different settings, like sda0 and sda1, umask=0, noauto, user etc.. etcStill no go. Ghost in the machine ??? --- Aliens from outer space ??? Kaj Haulrich. Do you have FLPhoto and GTKam installed? Yes, both. And Digikam. They are all unusable because just plugging the camera into the USB port immidiately puts my CPU in overdrive, which means that it is 99% busy cluttering my screen with infinite numbers of incomprehensible icons. Those icons seem to be related to xsane and are named something like /proc/bus/usb/004/xxx (where xxx goes ad infinitum). Even in runlevel 3 i can see the process going on (in /var/log/messages). The system connects/disconnects its USB device until hell freezes over or I reboot. As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch, copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box. I have reached the point of considering a switch to some other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Even in runlevel 3 i can see the process going on (in /var/log/messages). The system connects/disconnects its USB device until hell freezes over or I reboot. As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch, copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box. I have reached the point of considering a switch to some other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian. Well, at the risk of sounding obvious, I would venture there's something up with the kernel v2.6.8 usb drivers and your camera, and not anything to do with the desktop or apps. You could try installing and booting an earlier kernel, like whatever the last one for 10.0 was (2.6.3?), or worse yet try the 2.4 kernel that comes with 10.1 . Just install them in addition to the current 2.6.8 kernel, reboot into one of them, and see if they behave any better. Or it could be udev, which is new to 10.1 for managing devices in place of devfs. You could try reverting to using devfs under the 2.6.8 kernel. Just go into the lilo config in mcc and modify the boot options to remove the devfs=nomount part, reboot and watch for the message that udev is disabled due to devfs being used, then try your luck. In fact, try this first before you try any other kernels, I have a hunch it might work, if it doesn't then it definately is kernel usb driver problems. If none of this works, and even if you decide to change distros, please file a bug report with Mandrake so they can fix it for other people, including whatever distro you move to :-) Cheers! John. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 10:18, John Layt wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Even in runlevel 3 i can see the process going on (in /var/log/messages). The system connects/disconnects its USB device until hell freezes over or I reboot. As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch, copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box. I have reached the point of considering a switch to some other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian. Well, at the risk of sounding obvious, I would venture there's something up with the kernel v2.6.8 usb drivers and your camera, and not anything to do with the desktop or apps. You could try installing and booting an earlier kernel, like whatever the last one for 10.0 was (2.6.3?), or worse yet try the 2.4 kernel that comes with 10.1 . Just install them in addition to the current 2.6.8 kernel, reboot into one of them, and see if they behave any better. Or it could be udev, which is new to 10.1 for managing devices in place of devfs. You could try reverting to using devfs under the 2.6.8 kernel. Just go into the lilo config in mcc and modify the boot options to remove the devfs=nomount part, reboot and watch for the message that udev is disabled due to devfs being used, then try your luck. In fact, try this first before you try any other kernels, I have a hunch it might work, if it doesn't then it definately is kernel usb driver problems. If none of this works, and even if you decide to change distros, please file a bug report with Mandrake so they can fix it for other people, including whatever distro you move to :-) Thank you, John. You certainly are on the right track. Before I re-installed 10.1 CE I actually tried to install the 10.0 kernel (2.6.3 something). During that process I noticed something I never saw before : some messages about reconfiguring something (scrolled by too fast for reading). Hereafter I tried to reboot into that kernel with the devastating result that my filesystem (ReiserFS) borked completely. No rescue - attempt possible, be it from the install CDs, MandrakeMove or Knoppix. That forced the complete re-install of 10.1 CE. Now, I experimented a little bit further : I unplugged my scanner (which is connected to another USB port), re-connected the camera and you know what ? : up popped the good old harddisk icon on my screen with all my photos in it. Swell. At the same time I noticed that my fstab had changed, added a line like : /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto umask=0022,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,exec,users 0 0 which seems strange to me, because I thought I was the only root here allowed to edit that file. After a new reboot, that line was removed from fstab again. So, obviously the USB/devfs/udev is behaving somewhat, unable to segregate between the scanner and the camera. I'll try to follow your advice strictly, performing a gradual lobectomy to lilo.conf's append line. I really would hate to switch distro because of this minor problem. BTW : How to file a bug report to Mandrake ??? Thanks again for your excellent ideas, John. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 10:18, John Layt wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Even in runlevel 3 i can see the process going on (in /var/log/messages). The system connects/disconnects its USB device until hell freezes over or I reboot. As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch, copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box. I have reached the point of considering a switch to some other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian. Well, at the risk of sounding obvious, I would venture there's something up with the kernel v2.6.8 usb drivers and your camera, and not anything to do with the desktop or apps. You could try installing and booting an earlier kernel, like whatever the last one for 10.0 was (2.6.3?), or worse yet try the 2.4 kernel that comes with 10.1 . Just install them in addition to the current 2.6.8 kernel, reboot into one of them, and see if they behave any better. Or it could be udev, which is new to 10.1 for managing devices in place of devfs. You could try reverting to using devfs under the 2.6.8 kernel. Just go into the lilo config in mcc and modify the boot options to remove the devfs=nomount part, reboot and watch for the message that udev is disabled due to devfs being used, then try your luck. In fact, try this first before you try any other kernels, I have a hunch it might work, if it doesn't then it definately is kernel usb driver problems. If none of this works, and even if you decide to change distros, please file a bug report with Mandrake so they can fix it for other people, including whatever distro you move to :-) Thanks, John. Obviously you are on the right track here. Actually, my re-install of 10.1 CE was forced by a install of the older kernel from 10.0 (2.6.3 something) which completely borked my system beyond recovery : no succes from rescue with the install CDs, MandrakeMove or Knoppix. After the new install I notice that plugging my camera into the USB port changes my fstab (???), adding a line : /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto umask=0022,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,exec,users 0 0 and that line disappears after a reboot. Strange. So now, I'll follow your advice strictly, gradually performing a lobectomy to the append line in lilo.conf. I am in no way opposed to mounting things manually. And I would really hate to switch distro because of this - after all - minor problem. BTW : how to report a bug to Mandrake ?? Again, thanks for your good input, John. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Kaj Haulrich wrote: As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch, copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box. I have reached the point of considering a switch to some other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian. You might try disabling harddrake and hotplug, as part of your testing. This would also help you tell whether it's the kernel or other apps dragging the box down. chkconfig --del harddrake (this will disable probing for new devices at boot) chkconfig --del hotplug (this will disable anything from running at the insertion of the device) Now you may need to modprobe appropriate modules to make the device visible in dmesg. If the box still panics, then it's definitely the kernel. You can re-enable with 'chkconfig --add foo' (replace foo appropriately) -- Stew Benedict Mandrakesoft --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 14:13, Stew Benedict wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Kaj Haulrich wrote: As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch, copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box. I have reached the point of considering a switch to some other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian. You might try disabling harddrake and hotplug, as part of your testing. This would also help you tell whether it's the kernel or other apps dragging the box down. chkconfig --del harddrake (this will disable probing for new devices at boot) chkconfig --del hotplug (this will disable anything from running at the insertion of the device) Now you may need to modprobe appropriate modules to make the device visible in dmesg. If the box still panics, then it's definitely the kernel. You can re-enable with 'chkconfig --add foo' (replace foo appropriately) Thanks, Stew. I will try it ASAP. Things are a little slow here, what with the CPU constantly running at 99%. See you after next reboot. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 14:29, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 14:13, Stew Benedict wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
As a last resort I re-installed 10.1 CE from scratch,
copied nothing back from my backup CDs, updated available
rpms and tried anew. Still staring at my runaway box.
I have reached the point of considering a switch to some
other distro, maybe Fedora or Debian.
You might try disabling harddrake and hotplug, as part of your
testing. This would also help you tell whether it's the kernel
or other apps dragging the box down.
chkconfig --del harddrake
(this will disable probing for new devices at boot)
chkconfig --del hotplug
(this will disable anything from running at the insertion of
the device)
Now you may need to modprobe appropriate modules to make the
device visible in dmesg.
If the box still panics, then it's definitely the kernel.
You can re-enable with 'chkconfig --add foo' (replace foo
appropriately)
Thanks, Stew. I will try it ASAP. Things are a little slow
here, what with the CPU constantly running at 99%. See you after
next reboot.
OK - removed harddrake and hotplug : no improvement. Here is my
modprobe.conf :
# This file is autogenerated from /etc/modules.conf using
generate-modprobe.conf command
alias eth0 via-rhine
alias sound-slot-0 snd-cmipci
install usb-interface /sbin/modprobe uhci-hcd; /sbin/modprobe
ehci-hcd; /bin/true
remove snd-cmipci /sbin/modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss; /sbin/modprobe
--first-time -r --ignore-remove snd-cmipci
install snd-cmipci /sbin/modprobe --first-time --ignore-install
snd-cmipci { /sbin/modprobe snd-pcm-oss; /bin/true; }
Which means next to nothing to me. But the USB interface seems to
work, and I can use my USB scanner perfectly. But no camera.
I have the feeling this is a kernel bug. Now, I have to reboot
again :-/
Kaj Haulrich.
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Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 13:56, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I have the feeling this is a kernel bug. Now, I have to reboot again :-/ After a few days' break I came back to this long thread. Out of curiosity I plugged my FujiFilm FinePix S304 into the one box that I have upgraded to 10.1. I had exactly the same experience - top showed cpu usage varying between 98% and 99.9%, and the only way out appeared to be a reboot - it certainly didn't respond to kill. The box in question has 10.1OE upgraded late last week from cooker, running 2.6.8-12 kernel (IIRC). Is there anything else you would like me to check for correlation? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 17:39, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 13:56, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I have the feeling this is a kernel bug. Now, I have to reboot again :-/ After a few days' break I came back to this long thread. Out of curiosity I plugged my FujiFilm FinePix S304 into the one box that I have upgraded to 10.1. I had exactly the same experience - top showed cpu usage varying between 98% and 99.9%, and the only way out appeared to be a reboot - it certainly didn't respond to kill. The box in question has 10.1OE upgraded late last week from cooker, running 2.6.8-12 kernel (IIRC). Is there anything else you would like me to check for correlation? Anne Although I feel sorry for you, Anne (being unable to use your camera) I'm somehow conforted that I'm not alone ! If I remember correctly, the Fuji uses the xD card, exactly as the Olympus. Can you use your scanner (or any USB device) after unplugging the camera ? What went wrong with 10.1 ??? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 09:33 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 27 October 2004 17:39, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 13:56, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I have the feeling this is a kernel bug. Now, I have to reboot again :-/ After a few days' break I came back to this long thread. Out of curiosity I plugged my FujiFilm FinePix S304 into the one box that I have upgraded to 10.1. I had exactly the same experience - top showed cpu usage varying between 98% and 99.9%, and the only way out appeared to be a reboot - it certainly didn't respond to kill. The box in question has 10.1OE upgraded late last week from cooker, running 2.6.8-12 kernel (IIRC). Is there anything else you would like me to check for correlation? Anne Although I feel sorry for you, Anne (being unable to use your camera) I'm somehow conforted that I'm not alone ! If I remember correctly, the Fuji uses the xD card, exactly as the Olympus. that would indicate that the problem lies with how MdK handles xD as opposed to SD cards Can you use your scanner (or any USB device) after unplugging the camera ? What went wrong with 10.1 ??? Kaj Haulrich. -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On October 27, 2004 10:33, Kaj Haulrich wrote: ... The box in question has 10.1OE upgraded late last week from cooker, running 2.6.8-12 kernel (IIRC). Is there anything else you would like me to check for correlation? ... What went wrong with 10.1 ??? Kaj Haulrich. Just saw this on Linux Today: Mandrakeliux 10.1 Official Released http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004102701526NWMDSW Might be worth downloading and doing a clean install (you've probably seen the oft-repeated advice that version upgrades are not recommended). If the problem is still there, you can report a bug at: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 17:33, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Although I feel sorry for you, Anne (being unable to use your camera) I'm somehow conforted that I'm not alone ! ;-) It's not a big problem - yet! I don't need the camera on that box, but it certainly tells me not to install on box2 as I had intended, until this is sorted out. My main reason for reporting this was to support you, tell you that you are not alone. If I remember correctly, the Fuji uses the xD card, exactly as the Olympus. It does. Can you use your scanner (or any USB device) after unplugging the camera ? To be truthful, I didn't try. With the cpu at 99.9% I couldn't even get Konsole as far as the prompt, so I gave up and rebooted. What went wrong with 10.1 ??? Indeed! There were some problems with usb in 10.0, I understand, although I was not affected. This seems very much worse. Have you posted a bug report yet? If so, I should add to it rather than starting a new one. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 17:52, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: Just saw this on Linux Today: Mandrakeliux 10.1 Official Released http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004102701526NWMDSW Might be worth downloading and doing a clean install (you've probably seen the oft-repeated advice that version upgrades are not recommended). If the problem is still there, you can report a bug at: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ This was a clean install of 10.1CE, and upgraded to cooker last Thursday, so that really should be exactly what you are getting with 10.1OE. I did re-use /home, which may or may not have a bearing on some doubtful areas, but I also have a raft of error messages that I've picked up from the logs - another story, and I'll talk about that later - so there are a lot of questions. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 19:29, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 17:33, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Although I feel sorry for you, Anne (being unable to use your camera) I'm somehow conforted that I'm not alone ! ;-) It's not a big problem - yet! I don't need the camera on that box, but it certainly tells me not to install on box2 as I had intended, until this is sorted out. My main reason for reporting this was to support you, tell you that you are not alone. If I remember correctly, the Fuji uses the xD card, exactly as the Olympus. It does. Can you use your scanner (or any USB device) after unplugging the camera ? To be truthful, I didn't try. With the cpu at 99.9% I couldn't even get Konsole as far as the prompt, so I gave up and rebooted. What went wrong with 10.1 ??? Indeed! There were some problems with usb in 10.0, I understand, although I was not affected. This seems very much worse. Have you posted a bug report yet? If so, I should add to it rather than starting a new one. No, I haven't reported the bugger - yet. Before giving up, I intend to dig a little deeper. MDK 10.0 worked OK, so something changed in 10.1. - And, finally, I can retrieve my photos from the command line, but only in one boot-session, because the system can't do anything else after plugging the camera in. Memory leak ? Ron kindly advised how to report a bug, but first I'll have a look at already reported ones. Thanks for all your help. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On October 27, 2004 11:32, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 17:52, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: Just saw this on Linux Today: Mandrakeliux 10.1 Official Released http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004102701526NWMDSW Might be worth downloading and doing a clean install (you've probably seen the oft-repeated advice that version upgrades are not recommended). If the problem is still there, you can report a bug at: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/ This was a clean install of 10.1CE, and upgraded to cooker last Thursday, so that really should be exactly what you are getting with 10.1OE. I did re-use /home, which may or may not have a bearing on some doubtful areas, but I also have a raft of error messages that I've picked up from the logs - another story, and I'll talk about that later - so there are a lot of questions. Anne Yes, and upgrade _should_ give you exactly the same end result as a clean install. There should be no difference other than the upgrade being faster (due to not having to reinstall packages that are already up to date). But history has shown repeatedly, at least for Mandrake, that this is _not_ true. Perhaps Stephen Kuhn, Hoyt Bailey, or others will pitch in here with their personal experiences (based upon which I have never even attempted a version upgrade, always a clean install). I also suspect the first response back from any bug report will be Have you tried a clean install of 10.1 Official? -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 19:16, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: Yes, and upgrade _should_ give you exactly the same end result as a clean install. There should be no difference other than the upgrade being faster (due to not having to reinstall packages that are already up to date). But history has shown repeatedly, at least for Mandrake, that this is _not_ true. Perhaps Stephen Kuhn, Hoyt Bailey, or others will pitch in here with their personal experiences (based upon which I have never even attempted a version upgrade, always a clean install). I also suspect the first response back from any bug report will be Have you tried a clean install of 10.1 Official? sigh You're probably right, but after 2 installs of it I just can't bring myself to start yet again - at least not just at this moment. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 02:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 19:16, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: Yes, and upgrade _should_ give you exactly the same end result as a clean install. There should be no difference other than the upgrade being faster (due to not having to reinstall packages that are already up to date). But history has shown repeatedly, at least for Mandrake, that this is _not_ true. Perhaps Stephen Kuhn, Hoyt Bailey, or others will pitch in here with their personal experiences (based upon which I have never even attempted a version upgrade, always a clean install). I also suspect the first response back from any bug report will be Have you tried a clean install of 10.1 Official? sigh You're probably right, but after 2 installs of it I just can't bring myself to start yet again - at least not just at this moment. Anne IIRC the only anomaly you reported Anne was cpufreq errors in boot logs. I meant to respond, sorry. I had the same. Cpufreq is used for laptops to control power usage and heat thru manipulating processor speed. On a desktop, just 'urpme cpufreq' As to the Digital camera kills MDK 10.1 deal, I don't have a USB camera (mine's serial), but I suspect the problem might be solved by tryin a different kernel. I believe Stew said much the same. I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 21:51, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho /snip Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? I tried kernel 2.6.3, but it completely borked my ReiserFS. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 22:59, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? I tried kernel 2.6.3, but it completely borked my ReiserFS. Kaj Haulrich. http://ftp.surfnet.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/devel/10.1/i586/media/main/ kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 Oct 2004 21:59, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? That was on the original download 10.1CE disk Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:20, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wednesday 27 October 2004 22:59, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? I tried kernel 2.6.3, but it completely borked my ReiserFS. Kaj Haulrich. http://ftp.surfnet.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/devel/ 10.1/i586/media/main/ kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm H.J. , that's exactly the problem. After visiting bugzilla I found several reports concerning the 2.6.8.1-12 kernel. Mounting mass storage devices (like certain cameras) chrashes the system and corrupts ReiserFS. Therefore, I wanted to follow Tom's advice and install the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel. Can't find it anywhere, though. Even rpmfind.net doesn't come up with it. Maybe I should try the 2.4 kernel for 10.1 ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 03:59 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho /snip Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? -10mdk is the kernel that 10.1 CE was released with. So if you've got 10.1CE CD's you've got it. I went lookin for -10 on the mirrors, specifically 'kernel-source' but didn't find it. In my situation I'm still tryin to figure out why it makes such a difference with my SATA/IDE mix. Sorry, like I said, it's a hunch -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:41, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 27 October 2004 03:59 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: I know reverting to 2.6.8.1-10 from -12mdk solved boot up problems checking (Reiser) FS's after I added an SATA drive into a mix of IDE drives a few weeks ago. With 2.6.8.1-12 the system went crazy, but all is well with -10mdk. I've got a hunch the 'camera' problem is similar. Just a suspicion tho /snip Tom, do you have any idea as to where I can fetch kernel 2.6.8.1-10 ? -10mdk is the kernel that 10.1 CE was released with. So if you've got 10.1CE CD's you've got it. I went lookin for -10 on the mirrors, specifically 'kernel-source' but didn't find it. In my situation I'm still tryin to figure out why it makes such a difference with my SATA/IDE mix. Sorry, like I said, it's a hunch Thanks Anne and Tom. What a fool I am, not thinking of the obvious. I guess I'm too eager to delete all my CD sources and rely only on the mirrors. Another lesson learned. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:39, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Therefore, I wanted to follow Tom's advice and install the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel. Can't find it anywhere, though. Even rpmfind.net doesn't come up with it. Maybe I should try the 2.4 kernel for 10.1 ? Kaj Haulrich. You could try the 2.4 kernel but that'll have a few other quircks:( Like Anne said, the 2.6.1-10 kernel should be on the dload discs and if you haven't got it I'll be more than happy to put it up for dload for youjust say the word:) Methinks there's something ugly going on between hotplug and udev on your system...so you might consider disabling both and using devfs as a service at boot instead. I'm still using 2.6.1-10 (with udev) and thus can't stat your bugit's definitely worth investigating though. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:41, Tom Brinkman wrote: -10mdk is the kernel that 10.1 CE was released with. So if you've got 10.1CE CD's you've got it. I went lookin for -10 on the mirrors, specifically 'kernel-source' but didn't find it. In my situation I'm still tryin to figure out why it makes such a difference with my SATA/IDE mix. Sorry, like I said, it's a hunch This raises the question: What's the diff between 2.6.8.1-10 and 2.6.8-12? Anybody looked into that yet? 10 to 12 can only be a difference in applied patches i.e. Mandrake specific. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:50, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:39, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Therefore, I wanted to follow Tom's advice and install the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel. Can't find it anywhere, though. Even rpmfind.net doesn't come up with it. Maybe I should try the 2.4 kernel for 10.1 ? Kaj Haulrich. You could try the 2.4 kernel but that'll have a few other quircks:( Like Anne said, the 2.6.1-10 kernel should be on the dload discs and if you haven't got it I'll be more than happy to put it up for dload for youjust say the word:) Methinks there's something ugly going on between hotplug and udev on your system...so you might consider disabling both and using devfs as a service at boot instead. I'm still using 2.6.1-10 (with udev) and thus can't stat your bugit's definitely worth investigating though. Thanks H.J. - I have the -10 kernel now. I'm going to install it right away, but if it corrupts my filesystem again it'll be a while until I can get back and try your suggestions. Wish me luck. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:56, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Wish me luck. Kaj Haulrich. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you...as it sounds like a mess on your box right nowsweaty palms et all, heh?:) Don't uninstall/re-install too quickly though. Sounds sort of windosy to me to be a real help.just install the kernels and let them get added to lilo. Check that they're pointing to the right kernels/initrd's though! I somehow I allways have to get my hands dirty there. Got mdk 10.1, slackware10.0 and Suse running comfortably on this box though, booting through lilo. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Thursday 28 October 2004 00:06, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:56, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Wish me luck. Kaj Haulrich. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you...as it sounds like a mess on your box right nowsweaty palms et all, heh?:) Don't uninstall/re-install too quickly though. Sounds sort of windosy to me to be a real help.just install the kernels and let them get added to lilo. Check that they're pointing to the right kernels/initrd's though! I somehow I allways have to get my hands dirty there. Got mdk 10.1, slackware10.0 and Suse running comfortably on this box though, booting through lilo. Well H.J. my palm are WET. I know the feeling of messing around in /boot and lilo ! Right now I installed the 2.6.8.1-10 kernel, with no evident errors. But the camera still behaves like in the -12 kernel. So no go here. Next, I'll try to install the 2.4 kernel. Hopefully that'll change things to the better. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 14:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Hello friends... Until I installed 10.1 CE my Olympus C740UZ worked like a charm : Just plugging it into an USB port popped up a harddisk icon on my desktop (be it KDE or Gnome) and I could copy, move, delete and one thing and another, just as another mass storage medium. I could even use the camera as another USB stick. But in 10.1 the thing goes crazy : plugging the camera into an USB port clutters the desktop with strange icons (xsane-blah-blah-blah), rearranges all other icons and never stops. Furthermore the CPU goes bananas. Using top when in KDE shows kdeinit consuming 99% of the CPU cycles. In Gnome nothing shows in top, but nevertheless the system becomes almost unusable. Logging out/in doesn't remedy the problem, only a full reboot does. Strange thing is, /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab don't reveil anything concerning the matter. Do I really have to roll back to 10.0 ? Kaj Haulrich. I'm quit happy with 10.1, so (according to me) you shouldn't roll back. But Kaj, what do you get when running tail -f /var/log/messages when you plug in the device? That's where we should be looking as well as lsmod before and after plugging-in. Are these symptoms showing up in gnome as well as in KDE? You didn't mention;) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 19:58, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 14:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Hello friends... Until I installed 10.1 CE my Olympus C740UZ worked like a charm : Just plugging it into an USB port popped up a harddisk icon on my desktop (be it KDE or Gnome) and I could copy, move, delete and one thing and another, just as another mass storage medium. I could even use the camera as another USB stick. But in 10.1 the thing goes crazy : plugging the camera into an USB port clutters the desktop with strange icons (xsane-blah-blah-blah), rearranges all other icons and never stops. Furthermore the CPU goes bananas. Using top when in KDE shows kdeinit consuming 99% of the CPU cycles. In Gnome nothing shows in top, but nevertheless the system becomes almost unusable. Logging out/in doesn't remedy the problem, only a full reboot does. Strange thing is, /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab don't reveil anything concerning the matter. Do I really have to roll back to 10.0 ? Kaj Haulrich. I'm quit happy with 10.1, so (according to me) you shouldn't roll back. But Kaj, what do you get when running tail -f /var/log/messages when you plug in the device? That's where we should be looking as well as lsmod before and after plugging-in. Are these symptoms showing up in gnome as well as in KDE? You didn't mention;) Thanks, H.J. Right now I'm a little reluctant to plug in my camera again, because it makes my 10.1 completely unusable. If nothing else shows up, I may have to, and will let you know. lsmod doesn't show anything about a camera. And yes, KDE + Gnome + ICEwm + Windowmaker all runs amok after a camera is plugged in. This is driving me crazy. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 20:16, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Thanks, H.J. Right now I'm a little reluctant to plug in my camera again, because it makes my 10.1 completely unusable. If nothing else shows up, I may have to, and will let you know. lsmod doesn't show anything about a camera. And yes, KDE + Gnome + ICEwm + Windowmaker all runs amok after a camera is plugged in. This is driving me crazy. Kaj Haulrich. So telinit 3 into level 3 (you know the good ol' CML;)) and plug in whilst running tail -f /var/log/messages there and on another tty running mc (to try and read your device) and on yet another tty just logged in as root so you can telinit 1 into level 1 if things turn bad. At least you'll know whether it's just the w-manager or not. It can't be that bad. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 19:58, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 14:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Hello friends... Until I installed 10.1 CE my Olympus C740UZ worked like a charm : Just plugging it into an USB port popped up a harddisk icon on my desktop (be it KDE or Gnome) and I could copy, move, delete and one thing and another, just as another mass storage medium. I could even use the camera as another USB stick. But in 10.1 the thing goes crazy : plugging the camera into an USB port clutters the desktop with strange icons (xsane-blah-blah-blah), rearranges all other icons and never stops. Furthermore the CPU goes bananas. Using top when in KDE shows kdeinit consuming 99% of the CPU cycles. In Gnome nothing shows in top, but nevertheless the system becomes almost unusable. Logging out/in doesn't remedy the problem, only a full reboot does. Strange thing is, /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab don't reveil anything concerning the matter. Do I really have to roll back to 10.0 ? Kaj Haulrich. I'm quit happy with 10.1, so (according to me) you shouldn't roll back. But Kaj, what do you get when running tail -f /var/log/messages when you plug in the device? That's where we should be looking as well as lsmod before and after plugging-in. Are these symptoms showing up in gnome as well as in KDE? You didn't mention;) H.J. - Now I dared to connect my camera, but with the usual result : my system went completely bezerk. Here I the output from /var/log/messages : Oct 26 21:05:45 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: C740UZ Rev: 1.00 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 scsi.agent[7050]: disk at /devices/pci:00/:00:10.1/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: SCSI device sda: 33554432 512-byte hdwr sectors (17180 MB) Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:6usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 2 Oct 26 21:05:47 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using address 4 Oct 26 21:05:47 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 4 Oct 26 21:05:47 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using address 5 Oct 26 21:05:48 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 5 Oct 26 21:05:48 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using address 6 Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: scsi0: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Read (10) 00 01 ff ff f8 00 00 08 00 Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: Info fld=0x1f8, Current sda: sense key Medium Error Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: Additional sense: Unrecovered read error Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 33554424 Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 4194303 Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 scannerdrake[7479]: ### Program is starting ### Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 6 Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using address 7 Oct 26 21:05:49 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 7 Oct 26 21:05:50 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using address 8 Oct 26 21:05:51 0x50c63c55 scannerdrake[7597]: ### Program is starting ### .And it goes on and on forever. Furthermore, lsmod mentiones nothing about a camera. Can you decipher that ? Thanks in advance... Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:13, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Can you decipher that ? Thanks in advance... Kaj Haulrich. Not realy, except that it's disconnecting and reconnecting...but why it's doing that, dunno:( Did you try supermount -i disable so as to be sure it's not creating this muck? what surprises me is the size of /dev/sda ( 17180 MB).is your camera really that big or is it some other scsi device getting in the way ? -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 12:13 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: H.J. - Now I dared to connect my camera, but with the usual result : my system went completely bezerk. Here I the output from /var/log/messages : Oct 26 21:05:45 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: C740UZ Rev: 1.00 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. .And it goes on and on forever. Furthermore, lsmod mentiones nothing about a camera. There is no camera listed by lsmod, as your camera is seen as a hard drive, nothing more. See up above about the USB Mass Storage support. Mine is too. That is normal for many cameras on the market. What happens if you disable supermount with a supermount disable command at root? There is also another tool like supermount that installs with Gnome, but I forget what it is. I uninstalled it long ago. Rob -- Linux User #183693 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:40, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 12:13 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: H.J. - Now I dared to connect my camera, but with the usual result : my system went completely bezerk. Here I the output from /var/log/messages : Oct 26 21:05:45 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: C740UZ Rev: 1.00 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. .And it goes on and on forever. Furthermore, lsmod mentiones nothing about a camera. There is no camera listed by lsmod, as your camera is seen as a hard drive, nothing more. See up above about the USB Mass Storage support. Mine is too. That is normal for many cameras on the market. What happens if you disable supermount with a supermount disable command at root? There is also another tool like supermount that installs with Gnome, but I forget what it is. I uninstalled it long ago. Rob Well, to answer H.J. and Rob : No, of course my camera doesn't hold 17 GB (!) - only 128 MB. It took me a while to post this, because I had to reboot 4 times in order to get rid of all those strange icons and calm down my CPU a little. I tried supermount -i disable with no succes, and I removed magicdev as well. No changes, still this camera (or is it the xD card in it ?) haunts my system. I even tried to connect it to my daughters Windows-box in order to check if the card was defunct, which it isn't (and the camera screen works O.K.). To me this seems like a USB malfunction. I tried to add the camera to /etc/fstab with different settings, like sda0 and sda1, umask=0, noauto, user etc.. etcStill no go. Ghost in the machine ??? --- Aliens from outer space ??? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:14, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Ghost in the machine ??? --- Aliens from outer space ??? Kaj Haulrich. Trust you to find a white raven:( ... --- Naah, just kidding;) There's something very wrong on the way this USB device initiates and the kernel reacts. Alas, I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer this off-hand nor do I have the time to find out:( I'd like to, though...love a challenge any day;) Surely there's some alias function there for you but I don't know it..dang I frankly haven't tried my own camera on 10.1 yet but I did connect an acquaintance's (horrible word, heh) camerawhich IIRC didn't quite do as it should've, i.e. required some CML mumbojumbo (that's what they called it, anyway). Maybe somebody else'll chip in..!!! -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 01:14 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:40, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 12:13 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: H.J. - Now I dared to connect my camera, but with the usual result : my system went completely bezerk. Here I the output from /var/log/messages : Oct 26 21:05:45 0x50c63c55 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: C740UZ Rev: 1.00 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Oct 26 21:05:46 0x50c63c55 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. .And it goes on and on forever. Furthermore, lsmod mentiones nothing about a camera. There is no camera listed by lsmod, as your camera is seen as a hard drive, nothing more. See up above about the USB Mass Storage support. Mine is too. That is normal for many cameras on the market. What happens if you disable supermount with a supermount disable command at root? There is also another tool like supermount that installs with Gnome, but I forget what it is. I uninstalled it long ago. Rob Well, to answer H.J. and Rob : No, of course my camera doesn't hold 17 GB (!) - only 128 MB. It took me a while to post this, because I had to reboot 4 times in order to get rid of all those strange icons and calm down my CPU a little. I tried supermount -i disable with no succes, and I removed magicdev as well. No changes, still this camera (or is it the xD card in it ?) haunts my system. I even tried to connect it to my daughters Windows-box in order to check if the card was defunct, which it isn't (and the camera screen works O.K.). To me this seems like a USB malfunction. I tried to add the camera to /etc/fstab with different settings, like sda0 and sda1, umask=0, noauto, user etc.. etcStill no go. Ghost in the machine ??? --- Aliens from outer space ??? Kaj Haulrich. Do you have FLPhoto and GTKam installed? -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Digital camera kills MDK 10.1
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 02:50 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:14, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Ghost in the machine ??? --- Aliens from outer space ??? Kaj Haulrich. Trust you to find a white raven:( ... --- Naah, just kidding;) There's something very wrong on the way this USB device initiates and the kernel reacts. Alas, I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer this off-hand nor do I have the time to find out:( I'd like to, though...love a challenge any day;) Surely there's some alias function there for you but I don't know it..dang I frankly haven't tried my own camera on 10.1 yet but I did connect an acquaintance's (horrible word, heh) camerawhich IIRC didn't quite do as it should've, i.e. required some CML mumbojumbo (that's what they called it, anyway). Maybe somebody else'll chip in..!!! My Cannon 400 works like a champ under 10.1 no problems -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
