date:20030728

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 4:22 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:
 I currently have on my system kernel-2.4.21.0.13 installed.  When I am
 running mandrakeUpdate it tells me there are no updates yet I know that
 kernel 2.4.21.0.25mdk-1-1 is available as a security fix.  Why doesn't
 it tell me there is an update?

 Avi


Kernels are *never* updated automatically with other packages. 
This is because in the days of 8.1 kernels were installed automatically, and 
lots of users ended up with unbootable computers after running Mandrake 
Update.

To install your new kernel enter 'kernel' in the search box of your Mandrake 
Software Manager the new kernel will be visible there (so long as you have 
run Mandrake Update recently ) Select it, and it will install.

After installing a new kernel check the symlinks in /boot are OK, and the new 
stanza in /etc/lilo.conf is OK before you try booting the new kernel.

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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:19 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
  On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
   On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many
packages from mandrake lately?
  
   Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source?  Could be you don't have
   his sig on file.  Just guessing
 
  ** Yes I set up texstar with urpmi

 so then you probably do need to import his key to your computer, but I am
 sorry I can't tell you how to do that, somebody jump in here, I'm going to
 bed. HTH and luck,

To install Texstars key just follow the instructions on Texstars site.
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html

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Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-28 Per discussione Kaj Haulrich

On Monday 28 July 2003 03:22 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:
 I currently have on my system kernel-2.4.21.0.13 installed. 
 When I am running mandrakeUpdate it tells me there are no
 updates yet I know that kernel 2.4.21.0.25mdk-1-1 is available
 as a security fix.  Why doesn't it tell me there is an update?

 Avi

Because kernels must not be *upgraded*. They must be *installed*. 
If you try to upgrade a kernel, it will destroy your system. 
That's why Mandrake removed the opportunity to *upgrade* kernels 
via the Control Center.

If you want the new kernel, do as follows :

Download the kernel-whatsoever.rpm to some directory of your 
choice, for example /home/avi/downloads. Change into that 
directory, su into root and then run :

urpmi kernel-*whatever*.rpm

This will install the new kernel. That done, edit your 
/etc/lilo.conf to make the new kernel the default one.
You can do that from the Command Center under the Boot-option or 
simply edit it by hand. Remember to run *lilo* (as root) when 
you have saved the new /etc/lilo.conf.

Finally, re-boot and if everything is OK you can simly remove the 
old kernel entries in /boot, although that's not necessary.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] RE: OfficeJet info

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 9:16 am, Maureen L. Thomas wrote:
 I went to the Tiwiki page and added my officejet.  Also added my
 Gateway laptop.  Thanks, Maureen

Thanks, Maureen.  The more people add to the list and the more useful 
it is.  If anyone wants to add things but isn't sure how it works, 
email me off-list and I'll send the short text file to help

Anne

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[newbie] DVD writing software

2003-07-28 Per discussione Geert Stichelmans

Hi everyone,

For six months now, I'm 100% M$-free on my home machine, and would like
to stay that way.
Now, I just bought a Sony DVD RW-U10A, DVD+/-RW and installed it in
mandrake 9.1. 
Reading CDROM, writing CD-R, CD-RW (using k3b), playing video DVD's
(using mplayer)..., all works perfect.

But now I wanna try to copy a DVD. Is there DVD-copy software available
for linux?
Anyone has experience with copying DVD's under linux?
What I'm really looking for is an easy way (gui or command line) to
create an image of a dvd-disc, put it on my harddisk, and burn it on a
DVD+R or DVD-R.

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-28 Per discussione Michael Scottaline

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:12:45 +0800
Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:

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Kuhn

On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 09:05, Aron Smith wrote:

 what'sa matter stephen Nigerian letter not working this
week ?
 BTW a shrimp on the barbie --why would you put shellfish
on a doll ; 

To make the doll smell more real.

FRANKI: Stephen, you sick bastard.. your giving Aussies a
bad name here. :-)
=
Hm,
Good Taste no pun intended ;-)  has never been one of the hallmarks of
this list, huh? 
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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 

Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many packages
from mandrake lately?
   

Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source?  Could be you don't have his sig 
on file.  Just guessing
 

 

How does one put texstar signature on file ?

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RE: [newbie] Install on VMWare

2003-07-28 Per discussione Jose Carlos Silva

Title: Message

It
hangs on the beginning.You can see the two messages it appear when I restart
VMWare.

I'm
using a Laptop with 160Mb memory, using 64Mb in VMware with bridged
network.

I
don't know if this information is enough.

Thanks, on advance for your help.

Best Regards,
José Carlos
Silva

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RE: [newbie] Install on VMWare

Where does it hang, when I installed it, it was fine. What are your
system specs? What are the vmware system setting?

Tony.

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I'm
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Can
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[newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

Restored Mozilla 1.4 with a complete headlist and urpmi update  reinstall.
This time I downloaded the lot first then installing them to build the 
package.

Texstar has,
mozilla-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-flash-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mozilla-java-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mmozilla-mail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-realplayer-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
which speak for themselves,

but what do these all do,

mozilla-devel-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-enigmail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozilla-enigmime-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozillafirebird-0.6-3tex.i586.rpm   
mozilla-irc-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-js-debugger-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozplugger-1.3.0-1tex.i586.rpm

Can I just install them , won't break anything will it ?

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Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-28 Per discussione ed tharp

On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 12:11, burns wrote:
 gee, I'm terribly sorry, but I didn't see any 'fees', but I might get a few 
 'foes' if I don't, eh? So how much are these 'fees' and what was the address 
 to send them to?  Will you take cash, all in coin of course, pennies to be 
 exact.. LOL
 
 larry
 
 On July 27, 2003 10:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 21:23, burns wrote:
   Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have the
   technic right..
  
   thanks
  
   larry
 
  Did you pay the initial MDK Newbie Email List Fee?
  (Payable to ME - either by cheque, money order or credit card)
 
 
Stephen is trying to cheat again g

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[newbie] Mozilla fonts

2003-07-28 Per discussione Jess Arocho

In Kmail I can type accented characters, for example , , or .  Can mozilla 
be set up to accept such keyboard entries?  I tried changing the character 
set to Unicode in preferences but it did not help.

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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

On Monday 28 July 2003 02:03 am, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:19 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
  On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
   On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many
 packages from mandrake lately?
   
Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source?  Could be you don't
have his sig on file.  Just guessing
  
   ** Yes I set up texstar with urpmi
 
  so then you probably do need to import his key to your computer, but I am
  sorry I can't tell you how to do that, somebody jump in here, I'm going
  to bed. HTH and luck,

 To install Texstars key just follow the instructions on Texstars site.
 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html

 derek
Thanks all works like a champ now : )
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[newbie] Configuring Samba

2003-07-28 Per discussione David Middlebrook

I have a small home LAN running through a Netgear RP114 DSL/Cable 
Router, my PC is running Mandrake 9.1 and the other computers are a Mac 
OS/X, Win/XP and Win 98. The router is providing DHCP and the printer is 
connected to the Linux computer. All I want to provide is access for 
these non-Linux computers to the printer. The other computers are not 
set up with userids and passwords as they are single user machines. When 
I go to DrakXServices it is starting smb on boot so the smbd and nmbd 
daemons are installed.

Can anyone advise what to do next or point me to some documentation that 
will help me get this working?

TIA
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Re: [newbie] Intro

2003-07-28 Per discussione H.J.Bathoorn

On Monday 28 July 2003 13:33, Aron Smith wrote:

 ** Death by Pun (we killed stephen last week it's just now wearing off) :
 ))

Nah...(free to Frank Zappa):

Stephen's not dead, he just smells funny.
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[newbie] gtk-gnutella

Hi all,

What's the story on gtk-gnutella? I just downloaded it from Texstar and
it seems to function quite well out of the box. I didn't download
anything yet though. A bit scared form the stories about Kazaa...

Are there anything i really should pay attention to when i start using
it?

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Re: [newbie] Intro

On Monday 28 July 2003 04:12 am, ed tharp wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 12:11, burns wrote:
  gee, I'm terribly sorry, but I didn't see any 'fees', but I might get a
  few 'foes' if I don't, eh? So how much are these 'fees' and what was the
  address to send them to?  Will you take cash, all in coin of course,
  pennies to be exact.. LOL
 
  larry
 
  On July 27, 2003 10:49 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
   On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 21:23, burns wrote:
Hi, just climbed aboard, wanted to try this out to see if I have the
technic right..
   
thanks
   
larry
  
   Did you pay the initial MDK Newbie Email List Fee?
   (Payable to ME - either by cheque, money order or credit card)

 Stephen is trying to cheat again g

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 et

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[newbie] update packages

Hi,

I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
Control Center).

When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.

How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?

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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

Derek Jennings wrote:

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:19 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
 

On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
   

On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 

On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
   

Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many
packages from mandrake lately?
 

Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source?  Could be you don't have
his sig on file.  Just guessing
   

** Yes I set up texstar with urpmi
 

so then you probably do need to import his key to your computer, but I am
sorry I can't tell you how to do that, somebody jump in here, I'm going to
bed. HTH and luck,
   

To install Texstars key just follow the instructions on Texstars site.
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html
derek

 

So I did,
I downloaded the keys,  but,
GPG Key Instructions

Rpmdrake requires the maker of the rpm to sign their rpms. Here is how 
to download
and install my gpg key.

Download my pubring.gpg key for Linux Mandrake 9.1

Drop to the console and su to root.

Type: gpg --import pubring.gpg

Thats it! Now when installing my rpms via rpmdrake you will no longer 
get invalid
or not signed warnings.

Texstar



[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
gpg: can't open `pubring.gpg': No such file or directory
gpg: Total number processed: 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#
I tried cd to directory ,gpg-keys,and did the same,  but that didn't work.

Iwould guess that the keys have to go somewhere not stipulated, and then 
run the command, but if so where ?

John

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Re: [newbie] gtk-gnutella

2003-07-28 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Monday 28 July 2003 09:36 am, Marco Verheul wrote:
 Hi all,

 What's the story on gtk-gnutella? I just downloaded it from Texstar and
 it seems to function quite well out of the box. I didn't download
 anything yet though. A bit scared form the stories about Kazaa...

 Are there anything i really should pay attention to when i start using
 it?

 Marco

I never could get good results with Gnutella. I started using mldonkey and its 
worked just fine. YMMV. :-)

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Re: [newbie] Gnome recent open documents

2003-07-28 Per discussione DrewMartin

Hi Stephen,
 I've think you have just cross the fine line between polite
lying and outright sarcasm!
Before anyone sorts to flame,that's was the laugh I need after a truly crap
12 hour night shift.
  Drew
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To: Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnome recent open documents


 On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 00:27, DrewMartin wrote:
  Hi all,
  How do remove the list of recently open documents from the Gnome
  start menu?
  I'm using 2.2 with MDK 9.1

 It's a One Step process.

 1st step: remove Gnome

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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

2003-07-28 Per discussione Greg Meyer

On Monday 28 July 2003 09:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
 gpg: can't open `pubring.gpg': No such file or directory
 gpg: Total number processed: 0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#

 I tried cd to directory ,gpg-keys,and did the same,  but that didn't work.

 Iwould guess that the keys have to go somewhere not stipulated, and then
 run the command, but if so where ?

This is a classic pathing problem.  It can't find the file pubring.gpg.

Where did you download texstar pubring.gpg file to.  If not in the current 
directory, you have to include the directory path to the file.
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Re: [newbie] update packages

On Monday 28 July 2003 06:50 am, Marco Verheul wrote:
 Hi,

 I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
 current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
 known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
 Control Center).

 When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
 from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.

 How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?

 Marco
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Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-28 Per discussione Avi Schwartz

No, it is  fresh 9.1 install and my first Mandrake install so I don't 
have left overs from 9.0.

Avi

On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 01:47 America/Chicago, Richard Urwin wrote:

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 5:03 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:
I ftpd into the site and I can see the rpm in there.  However, and be
warned that I have no clue a to what I am doing, the synthesis.hdlist
file shows only 2.4.21.0.13 and not 2.4.21.0.25.  Can this be the
problem?
Have you upgraded from 9.0 to 9.1? If so the urpmi sources need fixing,
or they will still be looking at 9.0. ISTR this is what I saw before I
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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

Greg Meyer wrote:

On Monday 28 July 2003 09:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
gpg: can't open `pubring.gpg': No such file or directory
gpg: Total number processed: 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#
I tried cd to directory ,gpg-keys,and did the same,  but that didn't work.

Iwould guess that the keys have to go somewhere not stipulated, and then
run the command, but if so where ?
   

This is a classic pathing problem.  It can't find the file pubring.gpg.

Where did you download texstar pubring.gpg file to.  If not in the current 
directory, you have to include the directory path to the file.
 

Bingo
=
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd 
/mnt/ext2-vol6/downloads2/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/gpgkey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] gpgkey]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
gpg: key 9B4A4024: MandrakeSoft (MandrakeSoft official keys) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 22458A98: Linux Mandrake Security Team 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
not changed
gpg: key 70771FF3: Mandrake Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 8765ACFD: public key texstar [EMAIL PROTECTED] imported
gpg: Total number processed: 4
gpg:   imported: 1
gpg:  unchanged: 3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] gpgkey]#

so that has taken care of texstars gpgkeys, good, thank you Greg.

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Re: [newbie] update packages

On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 12:56, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Monday 28 July 2003 06:50 am, Marco Verheul wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
  current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
  known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
  Control Center).
 
  When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
  from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.
 
  How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?
 
  Marco
 Do you have your download directory configured as a software source in MCC ?
 
 
Yes I have. And I did not forget to update that particular source
either.

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RE: [newbie] update packages

2003-07-28 Per discussione Sabin, Matthew

Title: RE: [newbie] update packages





I use a directory 'in/RPM' in my home directory to store incomming RPMs.
I've added a source in 'Software Sources Manager': 
 Type of sourece: Local
 Path: /home/msabin/in/RPM
 
Then when I run 'Install Software' I choose to see packages by repository and there are my uninstalled downloads waiting to go.

Is there a more elegant way? I came up with this scheme while in a hurry, and never bothered to work out another method.

--Matthew


-Original Message-
From: Marco Verheul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] update packages



Hi,


I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
Control Center).


When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.


How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?


Marco
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Re: [newbie] update packages

Aron Smith wrote:

On Monday 28 July 2003 06:50 am, Marco Verheul wrote:
 

Hi,

I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
Control Center).
When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.
How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?

Marco
   

Do you have your download directory configured as a software source in MCC ?

 

It's not that obvious how your supposed to do that in MCC.

But cannot you simply cd to directory downloaded packages in a 
terminal and then proceed to urpmi packagename ,enter

I guess not ?

John

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RE: [newbie] Install on VMWare

2003-07-28 Per discussione Jose Carlos Silva

Title: Message

I
forgot to tell that I'm using a Laptop with 160Mb, 64Mb on VMware, with win2000
installed.

On the
VMware I'm using 64Mb and bridged networking.

Best Regards,
José Carlos
Silva

-Original Message-From: Jose Carlos
Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28
de Julho de 2003 11:29To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [newbie] Install on
VMWare

It
hangs on the beginning.You can see the two messages it appear when I restart
VMWare.

I'm
using a Laptop with 160Mb memory, using 64Mb in VMware with bridged
network.

I
don't know if this information is enough.

Thanks, on advance for your help.

Best Regards,
José Carlos
Silva

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [newbie] Install on
VMWare

Where does it hang, when I installed it, it was fine. What are your
system specs? What are the vmware system setting?

Tony.

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12:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Install on VMWare
I'm
trying to install Mandrake 9.1 on VMWare 3 but all the time hangs.

Can
you help me
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Re: [newbie] update packages

On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 14:26, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Aron Smith wrote:
 
 On Monday 28 July 2003 06:50 am, Marco Verheul wrote:
   
 
 Hi,
 
 I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
 current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
 known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
 Control Center).
 
 When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
 from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.
 
 How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?
 
 Marco
 
 
 Do you have your download directory configured as a software source in MCC ?
 
   
 
 It's not that obvious how your supposed to do that in MCC.
 
 But cannot you simply cd to directory downloaded packages in a 
 terminal and then proceed to urpmi packagename ,enter
 
 I guess not ?
 
 John

John,

I suppose you're right! urpmi does take care of updates, dependencies
etc. doesn't it. I'll give it try.

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Re: [newbie] aumix not working

2003-07-28 Per discussione Frans Ketelaars

On Monday 28 July 2003 02:19, Mike Adolf wrote:
 On Sunday 27 July 2003 08:07 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
  alsamixergui might save you. If not, i'm not sure what to do about
  aumix not running.
 
  Maybe delete ~/.aumixrc ?
 
  Anyway, once you get that sorted out, here is what i did to make my
  sound work for my first install (the second time i installed it
  worked from the start...):
 
  0. Run and save kmix
 
  1. Run the aumix gui (i just type aumix at the cl)
  2. Under Mute, Mute All is checked (despite the sliders being
  non-zero).
  Click Mute All to uncheck it   (this will actually mute all:
   the sliders all go to zero)
  3. Now go back and reselect mute all  (the sliders then all go back
  to non-zero values)
  4. Save settings
 
  5. Sound should now work, try  alsamixergui if not
 
  IF you're running ALSA drivers:
 
  after installing the alsa-utils, i ran alsactl store (as root)
  and rebooted.  Sound worked on bootup w/o fiddling...
 
  On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:22:25 -0400
 
  Mike Adolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   After I installed 9.1 a while ago, I used aumix to uncheck Mute
   All, and the sound worked.  Next time I booted it was check on
   again.  I unchecked it, saved, quit aumix, started it again and
   it was ckecked again. Went round and round with aumix with no
   luck. NOW it won't even come up. Run from KDE as user the hour
   glass just spins about 20 times and then goes away. Run from
   konsole as me or as root and the prompt just reappears.
  
   Can I get rid of this POC and use something else to configure
   sound?
  
   mike

 I uninstalled aumix and installed alsamixergui and alsamixser.  When
 either is run I get the following:

 function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory

 Something is missing, but I don't yet speak linux!

 mike

What is the output of '/sbin/lsmod | grep snd-'?

HTH,

-Frans


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[newbie] best way of updating software

2003-07-28 Per discussione charo

this is a long history that I will try to make shorter, but please don't 
piss me off. Linux is though enough for a brand new linux user like me.

Following someone suggestions from de list I added a cron.daily file 
urpmi.cron, with the content that follows:

#!/bin/sh
urpmi.update -a
urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms
I thought I was really smart having this feature in my box when someone 
in the list wasn't sure that updating from cooker was a good idea. 
Literally to me cooker was a cooking pot, so I didn't even realize what 
I was going into. OK, after that I was still having the PGP signature 
problems and I used another tip from this list  (Subject: Bad 
signatures) and I follow that reference:
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html

The problem is that I'm still having troubles with bad signatures. My 
questions, I guess, are:
	1) Is it safe to do that urpmi.cron in a box for real work, not for 
testing? Am I really using cooker in that file?
	2) Could anybody give me 2 lines info about cooker and how to stay away 
from it when updating packages?
	3) Are you sure this list is for brand new linux newbiers? I read 
almost all messages and I feel I'm getting so much partial info that I 
can see the big picture.

Any advice will be apreciated.
Rosario






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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

On Monday 28 July 2003 08:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:19 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many
 packages from mandrake lately?
 
 Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source?  Could be you don't have
 his sig on file.  Just guessing
 
 ** Yes I set up texstar with urpmi
 
 so then you probably do need to import his key to your computer, but I am
 sorry I can't tell you how to do that, somebody jump in here, I'm going
  to bed. HTH and luck,
 
 To install Texstars key just follow the instructions on Texstars site.
 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html
 
 derek

 So I did,
 I downloaded the keys,  but,

 GPG Key Instructions
 


 Rpmdrake requires the maker of the rpm to sign their rpms. Here is how
 to download
 and install my gpg key.

 Download my pubring.gpg key for Linux Mandrake 9.1

 Drop to the console and su to root.

 Type: gpg --import pubring.gpg


 Thats it! Now when installing my rpms via rpmdrake you will no longer
 get invalid
 or not signed warnings.

 Texstar



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
 gpg: can't open `pubring.gpg': No such file or directory
 gpg: Total number processed: 0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#

 I tried cd to directory ,gpg-keys,and did the same,  but that didn't work.

 Iwould guess that the keys have to go somewhere not stipulated, and then
 run the command, but if so where ?

 John
John, if you know where the file pubring.gpg is, then navigate to that file in 
konqueror and check the file permissions and also look at the size. If it is 
0 bytes then a fresh d/l is called for. 
Here is what I got:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Documents]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
gpg: key 9B4A4024: MandrakeSoft (MandrakeSoft official keys) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 22458A98: Linux Mandrake Security Team 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 70771FF3: Mandrake Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 8765ACFD: public key texstar [EMAIL PROTECTED] imported
gpg: Total number processed: 4
gpg:   imported: 1
gpg:  unchanged: 3

So the last thing is make sure you are in the folder that the pubring.gpg got 
downloaded into, cause it looks like you are in root folder and not in your 
user folder where the download probably put it. HTH
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Re: [newbie] update packages

On Monday 28 July 2003 09:26 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Aron Smith wrote:
 On Monday 28 July 2003 06:50 am, Marco Verheul wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
 current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
 known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
 Control Center).
 
 When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
 from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.
 
 How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?
 
 Marco
 
 Do you have your download directory configured as a software source in MCC
  ?

 It's not that obvious how your supposed to do that in MCC.

 But cannot you simply cd to directory downloaded packages in a
 terminal and then proceed to urpmi packagename ,enter

 I guess not ?

 John

Yes you can, that is a perfectly acceptable way of doing it. You can download 
a whole bunch of files into a directory, and then to install them do urpmi 
*.rpm and that will install all of them or list dependencies that you don't 
have covered. HTH
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Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

2003-07-28 Per discussione Pilagá

El Lun 28 Jul 2003 06:34, Geert Stichelmans escribió:
 Hi everyone,
 But now I wanna try to copy a DVD. Is there DVD-copy software available
 for linux?
 Anyone has experience with copying DVD's under linux?
 What I'm really looking for is an easy way (gui or command line) to
 create an image of a dvd-disc, put it on my harddisk, and burn it on a
 DVD+R or DVD-R.

 Thanks,

 Geert.

Try xcdroast (www.xcdroast.org) And to extract dvd files (vob), try vobcopy 
(vobcopy dev/hd?).

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[newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione Cornerstone Community Farm

In general, we know far too little about them.
(i'm far from an expert on this topic)(but DO farm organically)
I do know they are not allowed on certified organic farms in the US.
They are approved in the U.S. by the FDA (food  drug admin.).
BUT...
they also approve of certain level of pesticides in people, and that is mostly 
guess work and a BIG gamble...There is too much we do not know.
WE CAN work on drought resistant varieties thru more traditional methods of of 
plant breeding...
In my personal belief, I'm much more inclined to argue for use of NON 
hybrid's, chiefly because one can use the seeds harvested to plant next years 
crop...IMO a great help for poor countries as they do not have to import 
expensive hybrids.
In the circles I travel in, there is a growing movement to heirloom 
varities.
This year I'm growing a heirloom tomato, called stripey...it is yellow with 
stripes, as supposed to be of SUPERIOR taste...(I'll let you know in a couple 
of weeks:)
Of course, taste will VARY GREATLY, depending on the soil and climate in a 
given year.
Keith

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Re: [newbie] Configuring Samba

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 12:50 pm, David Middlebrook wrote:
 I have a small home LAN running through a Netgear RP114 DSL/Cable
 Router, my PC is running Mandrake 9.1 and the other computers are a Mac
 OS/X, Win/XP and Win 98. The router is providing DHCP and the printer is
 connected to the Linux computer. All I want to provide is access for
 these non-Linux computers to the printer. The other computers are not
 set up with userids and passwords as they are single user machines. When
 I go to DrakXServices it is starting smb on boot so the smbd and nmbd
 daemons are installed.

 Can anyone advise what to do next or point me to some documentation that
 will help me get this working?

 TIA
 Dave

The default samba configuration will do as you want 'out of the box'. All you 
need change is the workgroup name in  your /etc/samba.smb.conf file.

If you prefer using a GUI install the drakwizard RPM and then your Mandrake 
Control Centre will have a new entry for a Samba server wizard which will 
make the edit for you.

HTH

derek

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Re: [newbie] best way of updating software

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 8:25 pm, charo wrote:
 this is a long history that I will try to make shorter, but please don't
 piss me off. Linux is though enough for a brand new linux user like me.

 Following someone suggestions from de list I added a cron.daily file
 urpmi.cron, with the content that follows:

 #!/bin/sh
 urpmi.update -a
 urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms

 I thought I was really smart having this feature in my box when someone
 in the list wasn't sure that updating from cooker was a good idea.
 Literally to me cooker was a cooking pot, so I didn't even realize what
 I was going into. OK, after that I was still having the PGP signature
 problems and I used another tip from this list  (Subject: Bad
 signatures) and I follow that reference:
 http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html

 The problem is that I'm still having troubles with bad signatures. My
 questions, I guess, are:
   1) Is it safe to do that urpmi.cron in a box for real work, not for
 testing? Am I really using cooker in that file?
   2) Could anybody give me 2 lines info about cooker and how to stay away
 from it when updating packages?
   3) Are you sure this list is for brand new linux newbiers? I read
 almost all messages and I feel I'm getting so much partial info that I
 can see the big picture.

 Any advice will be apreciated.
 Rosario

The best way to avoid cooker is to not have cooker defined as a urpmi source.
Your software source manager in Mandrake Control Centre will show you a list 
of defined sources.

May I suggest one change to your script.
You currently have 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms' which is 
going to automatically install the latest version of any package available on 
any of the sources.
Some of the online sources such as Texstar contain the very latest bleeding 
edge versions of packages. Occasionally these are 'broken'. So you could wake 
up one day to discover something important no longer works.
I prefer to use
urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms --update
This will only automatically update packages from sources tagged as 'update 
media' when you added them. So any official Mandrake update will take place 
automatically, while new Texstar and PLF packages can wait until I am ready 
for them.

HTH

derek

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

2003-07-28 Per discussione Miark

Fire up rpmdrake, search for mozilla-1.4 and read through the 
descriptions of the results.

You'll probably want plugger and firebird.

Miark


On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:36:59 +, John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Restored Mozilla 1.4 with a complete headlist and urpmi update  reinstall.
 This time I downloaded the lot first then installing them to build the 
 package.
 
 
 Texstar has,
 mozilla-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-flash-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
 mozilla-java-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
 mmozilla-mail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-realplayer-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
 
 which speak for themselves,
 
 but what do these all do,
 
 mozilla-devel-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
 mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
 mozilla-enigmail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
 mozilla-enigmime-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
 mozillafirebird-0.6-3tex.i586.rpm   
 mozilla-irc-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-js-debugger-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozplugger-1.3.0-1tex.i586.rpm
 
 
 Can I just install them , won't break anything will it ?
 
 John
 
 
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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

On Monday 28 July 2003 08:03 am, Lanman wrote:
 Just a tad off-topic??

 Lanman
** Not Really Havent you heard that The only Good Things in Life are True 
Love N' Homegrowm Tomaters? :-

 *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

 On 7/28/2003 at 9:02 AM Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
 In general, we know far too little about them.
 (i'm far from an expert on this topic)(but DO farm organically)
 I do know they are not allowed on certified organic farms in the US.
 They are approved in the U.S. by the FDA (food  drug admin.).
 BUT...
 they also approve of certain level of pesticides in people, and that is
 mostly
 guess work and a BIG gamble...There is too much we do not know.
 WE CAN work on drought resistant varieties thru more traditional methods
 of of
 plant breeding...
 In my personal belief, I'm much more inclined to argue for use of NON
 hybrid's, chiefly because one can use the seeds harvested to plant next
 years
 crop...IMO a great help for poor countries as they do not have to import
 expensive hybrids.
 In the circles I travel in, there is a growing movement to heirloom
 varities.
 This year I'm growing a heirloom tomato, called stripey...it is yellow
 with
 stripes, as supposed to be of SUPERIOR taste...(I'll let you know in a
 couple
 of weeks:)
 Of course, taste will VARY GREATLY, depending on the soil and climate in a
 given year.
 Keith
 
 
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RE: [newbie] Install on VMWare

2003-07-28 Per discussione Tony S. Sykes

Title: Message


Does 
it hang at the start of VMware, or when you are starting Mandrake? What are the 
message's you are getting. What cpu on the laptop?

Tony.

  -Original Message-From: Jose Carlos Silva 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 
  2:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
  [newbie] Install on VMWare
  I 
  forgot to tell that I'm using a Laptop with 160Mb, 64Mb on VMware, with 
  win2000 installed.
  
  On 
  the VMware I'm using 64Mb and bridged networking.
  
  
  
  Best Regards,
  José Carlos 
  Silva
  

-Original Message-From: Jose Carlos 
Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 
28 de Julho de 2003 11:29To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [newbie] Install on 
VMWare

It 
hangs on the beginning.You can see the two messages it appear when I restart 
VMWare.

I'm using a Laptop with 160Mb memory, using 64Mb in VMware with 
bridged network.

I 
don't know if this information is enough.

Thanks, on advance for your help.



Best Regards,
José Carlos 
Silva

-Original Message-From: 
Tony S. Sykes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
sexta-feira, 25 de Julho de 2003 13:33To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [newbie] Install on 
VMWare

  
  Where does it hang, when I installed it, it was fine. What are your 
  system specs? What are the vmware system setting?
  
  Tony.
  
-Original Message-From: Jose Carlos Silva 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, July 25, 
2003 12:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
[newbie] Install on VMWare
 I'm trying to install Mandrake 9.1 on VMWare 3 but all the time 
hangs. 
 Can you help me  
Beste Regards, 

José Carlos 
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[newbie] Apache 2, virtual hosts and SSL

2003-07-28 Per discussione Stefano Pogliani

I am running MDK 9.1 with Apache 2.

I have multiple Virtual hosts, all described in the vhosts/Vhosts.conf file.

Unfortunately, SSL only works with https://localhost/ . None of the 
other alias (https://mymachine.madomain.net/ , 
https://myvirtual.host.org/ , https://othervirtual.host.org) work with SSL.

Certainly there is something I am missing.

Using Webmin, I discovered that there is the ssl directory where the 
_default_:443 virtual host is defined.

What do I have to do in order to set any other of my Virtual Hosts to 
accept SSL connection ?

Thanks a lot.
Best regards
/stefano


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[newbie] MP3 Sound Problems

CD player works fine
Alunix enabled
Kaboodle will give me No sound
Boo Hoo wanted to hear Moose Turd Pie :-(

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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione Cornerstone Community Farm

 With all due respect, but what does that have to do with Mandrake Linux?
 This is a linux list.

1.  With all due respect, looking at the subject line I posted in error to 
this list and earlier posted to OT list when i realized my error.
2.  Obviously you are new to this list so I'll explain:
The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions, but 
we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list.
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[newbie] cannot log in as root in 9.1

2003-07-28 Per discussione fifner the dragon

Hi all,

I have my mandrake 9.1 setup to automaticly log user in at startup. 

When I logout user I get a small box giving me three alternatives: halt, reboot and 
a user icon. 

I might be blind or stupid or both, but I cannot find a way to log in as root.

How do I login as root?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [newbie] best way of updating software

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 3:32 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 1) It is safe to do the urpmi.cron if you do not have a cooker
 source in your list of update sources. Texstars rpms are not cooker
 per se but set up to install on the latest mandrake version. He has
 them tidied up to stop conflicts etc. (that is how I understand
 what he does)

 2) cooker is the developement side  of Mandrake. The rpm's in
 cooker are for testing to make sure that dependencies and file
 calls etc, are satisfied. Cooker is the bleeding edge of
 developement and you should not use it if you don't do testing or
 programming. That is the safe thing to do.

You will not have the cooker source in your list unless you have put 
it there yourself - and you won't have done that by accident, so you 
should be fine.

 3) Yes this list is for newbies. You just have to hang in there
 and keep coming back for clarifications. It is very hard to tell
 the degree of expertise that new folks have when they first come to
 the list. Answers are put forth assuming  that the questioner has a
 level of expertise that may not be true and you just have to keep
 asking questions. Read the Man files and google and ask here. If
 you are new to linux and or unix it will seem very cryptic for a
 while, but slowly the light will dawn and you to will be answering
 newbie questions. HTH

When I started reading it was clear to me that some were light years 
ahead of what I know - some still are - but Dennis is right - keep 
reading and it will gradually start to make sense.  Nobody minds how 
often you come back for clarification, just make your questions clear 
so that we're not answering the wrong thing.  I would suggest, too, 
that you keep a scrap book, say copy and paste into your favourite 
text editor/word processor, of the things that look as though they 
could be useful to you 'when you get a round tuit'.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-28 Per discussione Avi Schwartz

Thank you everyone for your help regarding the update of the kernel.
It does make sense that the kernel should not be updated but rather be  
installed as a new package.
What made me assume that the new kernel should show up as an update is  
the following sentence from the advisory
(http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA- 
2003:066-2):

To upgrade automatically, use MandrakeUpdate.

which is apparently wrong.

Avi

On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 06:09 America/Chicago, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

On Monday 28 July 2003 03:22 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:
I currently have on my system kernel-2.4.21.0.13 installed.
When I am running mandrakeUpdate it tells me there are no
updates yet I know that kernel 2.4.21.0.25mdk-1-1 is available
as a security fix.  Why doesn't it tell me there is an update?
Avi
Because kernels must not be *upgraded*. They must be *installed*.
If you try to upgrade a kernel, it will destroy your system.
That's why Mandrake removed the opportunity to *upgrade* kernels
via the Control Center.
If you want the new kernel, do as follows :

Download the kernel-whatsoever.rpm to some directory of your
choice, for example /home/avi/downloads. Change into that
directory, su into root and then run :
urpmi kernel-*whatever*.rpm

This will install the new kernel. That done, edit your
/etc/lilo.conf to make the new kernel the default one.
You can do that from the Command Center under the Boot-option or
simply edit it by hand. Remember to run *lilo* (as root) when
you have saved the new /etc/lilo.conf.
Finally, re-boot and if everything is OK you can simly remove the
old kernel entries in /boot, although that's not necessary.


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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 3:02 pm, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
 In general, we know far too little about them.

Posted to the wrong list, perhaps?

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[newbie] how to apply a mozilla theme?

2003-07-28 Per discussione fifner the dragon

Hi,

I tried getting a sky pilot theme for mozilla. It even asked me if I wanted to use 
this theme. But when I restarted mozilla there was still no option but modern and 
classic. 

How do I apply a mozilla theme?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [newbie] how to apply a mozilla theme?

2003-07-28 Per discussione H.J.Bathoorn

On Monday 28 July 2003 18:24, fifner the dragon wrote:
 Hi,

 I tried getting a sky pilot theme for mozilla. It even asked me if I wanted
 to use this theme. But when I restarted mozilla there was still no option
 but modern and classic.

 How do I apply a mozilla theme?

 Thanks in advance,

 Fifner
In general you just download 'em and they install themselves.
Be aware of the releases and screen settings. I.e. If you've got 1.3 usually 
you will not be able to use the 1.2 themes etc.
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Re: [newbie] Bad Signutures

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Monday 28 July 2003 08:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Derek Jennings wrote:
   

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:19 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
 

On Sunday 27 July 2003 09:51 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
   

On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:03 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 

On Sunday 27 July 2003 05:58 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
   

Any body know why the cryptographic keys are not found for so many
packages from mandrake lately?
 

Do you have texstars rpms loaded as a source?  Could be you don't have
his sig on file.  Just guessing
   

** Yes I set up texstar with urpmi
 

so then you probably do need to import his key to your computer, but I am
sorry I can't tell you how to do that, somebody jump in here, I'm going
to bed. HTH and luck,
   

To install Texstars key just follow the instructions on Texstars site.
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/gpgkey.html
derek
 

So I did,
I downloaded the keys,  but,
GPG Key Instructions

Rpmdrake requires the maker of the rpm to sign their rpms. Here is how
to download
and install my gpg key.
Download my pubring.gpg key for Linux Mandrake 9.1

Drop to the console and su to root.

Type: gpg --import pubring.gpg

Thats it! Now when installing my rpms via rpmdrake you will no longer
get invalid
or not signed warnings.
Texstar



[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
gpg: can't open `pubring.gpg': No such file or directory
gpg: Total number processed: 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#
I tried cd to directory ,gpg-keys,and did the same,  but that didn't work.

Iwould guess that the keys have to go somewhere not stipulated, and then
run the command, but if so where ?
John
   

John, if you know where the file pubring.gpg is, then navigate to that file in 
konqueror and check the file permissions and also look at the size. If it is 
0 bytes then a fresh d/l is called for. 
Here is what I got:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Documents]# gpg --import pubring.gpg
gpg: key 9B4A4024: MandrakeSoft (MandrakeSoft official keys) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 22458A98: Linux Mandrake Security Team 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 70771FF3: Mandrake Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] not changed
gpg: key 8765ACFD: public key texstar [EMAIL PROTECTED] imported
gpg: Total number processed: 4
gpg:   imported: 1
gpg:  unchanged: 3

So the last thing is make sure you are in the folder that the pubring.gpg got 
downloaded into, cause it looks like you are in root folder and not in your 
user folder where the download probably put it. HTH
 

 

Yep, your right, silly mistake on my part, two directories of similar 
name inwhich i thought I was at the final file, when it was the folder 
above.

Thanks for your help.

Slowly some of the fog is clearing.

John

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Re: [newbie] cannot log in as root in 9.1

2003-07-28 Per discussione Cornerstone Community Farm

Generally, DO NOT log in as root.
For admin tasks, go to a root terminal.
When you run Mandrake Control Center or other GUI admin type functions you 
will be prompted for root password.


On Monday 28 July 2003 11:12 am, fifner the dragon wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have my mandrake 9.1 setup to automaticly log user in at startup.

 When I logout user I get a small box giving me three alternatives: halt,
 reboot and a user icon.

 I might be blind or stupid or both, but I cannot find a way to log in as
 root.

 How do I login as root?

 Thanks in advance,

 Fifner


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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione JM5379

or perhaps the announcement of OSE (open source edibles)

--- Original Message ---
From: Cornerstone Community Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] GMO foods

 With all due respect, but what does that have to do with
Mandrake Linux?
 This is a linux list.

1.  With all due respect, looking at the subject line I posted
in error to 
this list and earlier posted to OT list when i realized my error.
2.  Obviously you are new to this list so I'll explain:
The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic
discussions, but 
we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list.
:)

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Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

On Monday 28 July 2003 08:02 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:
 No, it is  fresh 9.1 install and my first Mandrake install so I don't
 have left overs from 9.0.

 Avi

 On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 01:47 America/Chicago, Richard Urwin wrote:
  On Monday 28 Jul 2003 5:03 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:
  I ftpd into the site and I can see the rpm in there.  However, and be
  warned that I have no clue a to what I am doing, the synthesis.hdlist
  file shows only 2.4.21.0.13 and not 2.4.21.0.25.  Can this be the
  problem?
 
  Have you upgraded from 9.0 to 9.1? If so the urpmi sources need fixing,
  or they will still be looking at 9.0. ISTR this is what I saw before I
  fixed them.
For those who have not done the kernel upgrade and have a Nvidia video card 
you will probably need to do the install of the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run 
package. The way I did it was to start the system with the new kernel, it 
would not give me an xserver, naturally, so I logged in as my user and the 
did su and the root password. Then changed directories to where the .run file 
was and typed the sh NVIDIA-Linux* command. It started the run and 
indicated that the package was not compiled for my kernel, did I want  the 
installer to compile Nvidia for my kernel?  I chose OK and so it did. 
Rebooted when done and my xserver was back on line. Nice feature Nvidia threw 
in there and I didn't know it could do that. 
Just a heads up for the Nvidia card crowd. HTH
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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione Lanman

Uh, Nope! But I'll take your word for it! Thought maybe someone had made an honest 
mistake and posted to the wrong list.

Lanman

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On 7/28/2003 at 8:48 AM Aron Smith wrote:

On Monday 28 July 2003 08:03 am, Lanman wrote:
 Just a tad off-topic??

 Lanman
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True
Love N' Homegrowm Tomaters? :-

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 On 7/28/2003 at 9:02 AM Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
 In general, we know far too little about them.
 (i'm far from an expert on this topic)(but DO farm organically)
 I do know they are not allowed on certified organic farms in the US.
 They are approved in the U.S. by the FDA (food  drug admin.).
 BUT...
 they also approve of certain level of pesticides in people, and that is
 mostly
 guess work and a BIG gamble...There is too much we do not know.
 WE CAN work on drought resistant varieties thru more traditional methods
 of of
 plant breeding...
 In my personal belief, I'm much more inclined to argue for use of NON
 hybrid's, chiefly because one can use the seeds harvested to plant next
 years
 crop...IMO a great help for poor countries as they do not have to import
 expensive hybrids.
 In the circles I travel in, there is a growing movement to heirloom
 varities.
 This year I'm growing a heirloom tomato, called stripey...it is yellow
 with
 stripes, as supposed to be of SUPERIOR taste...(I'll let you know in a
 couple
 of weeks:)
 Of course, taste will VARY GREATLY, depending on the soil and climate
in a
 given year.
 Keith
 
 
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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:10:09 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Isn't it easier to simply suppress popups (Moz) or use smart denial of
  popups (Konq)?
 
 For popups that is probably true, assuming you are using moz or konq.
 
 But this was for ads that don't popup.
 Some sites i go to have flashy ads that make page scrolling jumpy just
 because the animation is running.
 Also, it's nicer to read pages w/o the ads cluttering it up.
 
 eric
 
 

I actually wondered about blocking requests from HTML to servers other than the page 
originator. This would break some sites, but i wonder how many of those sites i want 
to see anyways. It would work something like this.

I follow a link HTTP page request (server details noted)
page comes in   HTTP page delivery
browser renders HTML
HTML code requests a graphic/etc
HTTP request to noted server approved
-HTTP request to any other server dropped


My guess is it could only be implimented on the browser itself. Be one hell of a 
security feature though, less than half the cookies, and speed up surfing no end.

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Re: [newbie] mbr question

2003-07-28 Per discussione James Henry Maiewski

Hello,

You might want to look at the Linux+Win9x+Grub HOWTO.  I have been trying 
to use a CD that seems to offer the promise of installing Window$ NT (mostly 
to see if it would work).  Since I already have ML9.1 installed and don't 
really want to mess it up, I decided to carve out a third primary partition 
at the end of my hard disk, and see what could be done.  The HOWTO purports 
to teach one how to install the Win OS on something other that the beginning 
of the hard drive, but make GRUB fool it into thinking that it is [with lines 
such as map (hd0,2) (hd0,0).  The CD that I have used to install NT writes 
a bunch of files to disk, then instructs you to reboot, at which point the 
installation is supposed to continue, but I can't seem to get beyond this 
point (any suggestions or explanations would be welcome).  At any rate, I 
don't lay claim to any kind of expertise (I don't even know what BR means), 
but this how to, and the grub info page (especially the 'map' commands).  The 
grub info also says, however, that some OAS might use special drivers that 
would make this mapping irrelevant.  Smells like Win to me :^( )  

In the hope that this isn't wholly irrelevant,
Jim.
On Sunday 27 July 2003 01:46 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
 Here was a response i got about this awhile ago. Doesn't help you too
 much, but it's a data point.
 Hopefully someone else will have a better answer.

 eric

   I have also run XP in
   another partition, and crashed it often, then reinstalled it, and it
   has never reworked the MBR, just put itself back in with out
   destruction.
 
  Is it safe to reinstall 98 and XP?  I was always told it would
  reformat your entire drive (wether you wanted it to or not).

 XP seems to understand partitions.  98 likes to take the whole drive..
 I've had some luck doing a repair... not much... but some, with 98.


 On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:06:11 -0400

 crak600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i know that in order for the mbr to be rewritten properly by linux in
  a dual boot system, the ms-win OS of choice must be installed before
  doing a linux install.  but if i go and format out my ms-win OS and
  reinstall it (i'm using win98), will the mbr be rewritten and i won't
  be able to get back into linux?  and if that does happen, how do i get
  the mbr re-written so i can access linux again?  i've been looking for
  an answer to this but can't seem to find it, and win98 needs to be
  re-installed as i'm having massive problems with it.  (and i wish i
  could make this a microsoft free computer, but currently i can't)
 
  Thanks
 
  Mike


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Re: [newbie] cannot log in as root in 9.1

On Monday 28 July 2003 11:12 am, fifner the dragon wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have my mandrake 9.1 setup to automaticly log user in at startup.

 When I logout user I get a small box giving me three alternatives: halt,
 reboot and a user icon.

 I might be blind or stupid or both, but I cannot find a way to log in as
 root.

 How do I login as root?

 Thanks in advance,

 Fifner
Fifner, where ya been, long time since we've seen the name on the list. 
Anyway, if you absolutely have to log in as root, and you know that's bad, 
open up the KDE control center and select  Systemloginmanagerusers and you 
should see that root has a check in the box for hidden user. So click on the 
admin mode box below and give it your root passwd and uncheck the box. Next 
time login will show root user. HTH ( hope your using KDE otherwise I haven't 
figured out the cli way of doing this.)
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Re: [newbie] cannot log in as root in 9.1

2003-07-28 Per discussione James Henry Maiewski

On Monday 28 July 2003 01:25 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Monday 28 July 2003 11:12 am, fifner the dragon wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I have my mandrake 9.1 setup to automaticly log user in at startup.
 
  When I logout user I get a small box giving me three alternatives:
  halt, reboot and a user icon.
 
  I might be blind or stupid or both, but I cannot find a way to log in as
  root.
 
  How do I login as root?
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Fifner

 Fifner, where ya been, long time since we've seen the name on the list.
 Anyway, if you absolutely have to log in as root, and you know that's bad,
 open up the KDE control center and select  Systemloginmanagerusers and
 you should see that root has a check in the box for hidden user. So click
 on the admin mode box below and give it your root passwd and uncheck the
 box. Next time login will show root user. HTH ( hope your using KDE
 otherwise I haven't figured out the cli way of doing this.)
Hello,

When I got to the logon GUI, I CTRL-SHIFT-ESCed (or c-s-del, I can never 
remember what it is) out of x, logged on as root, then ran 'startx.'

Jim.

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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

I suspect a mispost error originating between the keyboard and seat.
LOL

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:03:20 -0400
Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just a tad off-topic??
 
 Lanman
 
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 On 7/28/2003 at 9:02 AM Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
 
 In general, we know far too little about them.
 (i'm far from an expert on this topic)(but DO farm organically)
 I do know they are not allowed on certified organic farms in the US.
 They are approved in the U.S. by the FDA (food  drug admin.).
 BUT...
 they also approve of certain level of pesticides in people, and that is
 mostly
 guess work and a BIG gamble...There is too much we do not know.
 WE CAN work on drought resistant varieties thru more traditional methods
 of of
 plant breeding...
 In my personal belief, I'm much more inclined to argue for use of NON
 hybrid's, chiefly because one can use the seeds harvested to plant next
 years
 crop...IMO a great help for poor countries as they do not have to import
 expensive hybrids.
 In the circles I travel in, there is a growing movement to heirloom
 varities.
 This year I'm growing a heirloom tomato, called stripey...it is yellow
 with
 stripes, as supposed to be of SUPERIOR taste...(I'll let you know in a
 couple
 of weeks:)
 Of course, taste will VARY GREATLY, depending on the soil and climate in a
 given year.
 Keith
 


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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:47 pm, Michael Adams wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:10:09 -0700

 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Isn't it easier to simply suppress popups (Moz) or use smart
   denial of popups (Konq)?
 
  For popups that is probably true, assuming you are using moz or
  konq.
 
  But this was for ads that don't popup.
  Some sites i go to have flashy ads that make page scrolling jumpy
  just because the animation is running.
  Also, it's nicer to read pages w/o the ads cluttering it up.
 
  eric

 I actually wondered about blocking requests from HTML to servers
 other than the page originator. This would break some sites, but i
 wonder how many of those sites i want to see anyways. It would work
 something like this.

 I follow a link HTTP page request (server details noted)
 page comes in   HTTP page delivery
 browser renders HTML
 HTML code requests a graphic/etc

 HTTP request to noted server approved

 -HTTP request to any other server dropped


 My guess is it could only be implimented on the browser itself. Be
 one hell of a security feature though, less than half the cookies,
 and speed up surfing no end.

Unless I misunderstand you, this is just what Mozilla offers.  I used 
to use it in Netscape, but now I find that using that disables 
on-line banking and too many other useful sites are broken.  I've 
compromised and use the blocks on a site-by-site basis.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

2003-07-28 Per discussione Charles A Edwards

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:03:48 -0500
Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It started the run and 
 indicated that the package was not compiled for my kernel, did I want 
 the installer to compile Nvidia for my kernel?  I chose OK and so it
 did. Rebooted when done and my xserver was back on line

After installation of the nvidia run
verify your XF86Config-4 is correct
# modprobe nvidia
use Xtart or # init 5 to launch X
no need to reboot.


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Re: [newbie] update packages

Marco Verheul wrote:

On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 14:26, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Aron Smith wrote:

   

On Monday 28 July 2003 06:50 am, Marco Verheul wrote:

 

Hi,

I downloaded the latest Evolution form Tekstar and i want to update my
current version withthe new rpm. It's in my download directory that is
known as one of the sources in the Software Sources Manager (Mandrake
Control Center).
When I choose to update software it seems that only available updates
   

from a mirror site are shown, not the sources on my own machine.
 

How can i update using my downloaded rpm's?

Marco
  

   

Do you have your download directory configured as a software source in MCC ?



 

It's not that obvious how your supposed to do that in MCC.

But cannot you simply cd to directory downloaded packages in a 
terminal and then proceed to urpmi packagename ,enter

I guess not ?

John
   

John,

I suppose you're right! urpmi does take care of updates, dependencies
etc. doesn't it. I'll give it try.
Marco
 

 

I would certainly like it to work because I cannot be certain of a 
continuous uninterrupted download which makes urpmi on the net a 
hazardous business and because this way I download the packages just the 
once.

John



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Re: [newbie] Does mandrakeUpdate really work?

On Monday 28 July 2003 01:37 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:03:48 -0500

 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It started the run and
  indicated that the package was not compiled for my kernel, did I want
  the installer to compile Nvidia for my kernel?  I chose OK and so it
  did. Rebooted when done and my xserver was back on line

 After installation of the nvidia run
 verify your XF86Config-4 is correct
 # modprobe nvidia
 use Xtart or # init 5 to launch X
 no need to reboot.


 Charles
Right, I forgot that, naturally the easy way.  I checked the XF86Config-4 
before running  and it was right, so only thing I could think of was that the 
NVIDIA-Linux file was not seen in the new kernel.  I should of thought of 
using Civileme's Xtart after the compile, since I had installed it, but still 
have the reboot junk stuck in my head even after 4+ years of linux. Hard 
habit to break?
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Re: [newbie] cannot log in as root in 9.1

If you feel you need a gui program as root. Open a terminal as a user, type su, 
enter the root password, then type the name of the program konqueror etc.

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:46:31 -0500
Cornerstone Community Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Generally, DO NOT log in as root.
 For admin tasks, go to a root terminal.
 When you run Mandrake Control Center or other GUI admin type functions you 
 will be prompted for root password.
 
 
 On Monday 28 July 2003 11:12 am, fifner the dragon wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I have my mandrake 9.1 setup to automaticly log user in at startup.
 
  When I logout user I get a small box giving me three alternatives: halt,
  reboot and a user icon.
 
  I might be blind or stupid or both, but I cannot find a way to log in as
  root.
 
  How do I login as root?
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Fifner
 
 
 


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Re: [newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

I've installed

momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm

blowed if I can find it , any suggestions ?

John



Miark wrote:

Fire up rpmdrake, search for mozilla-1.4 and read through the 
descriptions of the results.

You'll probably want plugger and firebird.

Miark

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:36:59 +, John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Restored Mozilla 1.4 with a complete headlist and urpmi update  reinstall.
This time I downloaded the lot first then installing them to build the 
package.

Texstar has,
mozilla-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-flash-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mozilla-java-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mmozilla-mail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-realplayer-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
which speak for themselves,

but what do these all do,

mozilla-devel-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-enigmail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozilla-enigmime-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozillafirebird-0.6-3tex.i586.rpm   
mozilla-irc-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-js-debugger-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozplugger-1.3.0-1tex.i586.rpm

Can I just install them , won't break anything will it ?

John

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Re: [newbie] Apache 2, virtual hosts and SSL

2003-07-28 Per discussione Troy Davidson

Stefano,

I was reading up on Virtual Domains and Apache and found this.  Seems they
are doing what you want and show how to make it work.

http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/qmail/2002-07/msg00011.php

Hope this helps.

Troy Davidson 
Linux User #311107

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real life computer and 
  gaming nerd! 

   www.clandaith.com 
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** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer **


Quoting Stefano Pogliani [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I am running MDK 9.1 with Apache 2.
 
 I have multiple Virtual hosts, all described in the vhosts/Vhosts.conf
 file.
 
 Unfortunately, SSL only works with https://localhost/ . None of the 
 other alias (https://mymachine.madomain.net/ , 
 https://myvirtual.host.org/ , https://othervirtual.host.org) work with
 SSL.
 
 Certainly there is something I am missing.
 
 Using Webmin, I discovered that there is the ssl directory where the 
 _default_:443 virtual host is defined.
 
 What do I have to do in order to set any other of my Virtual Hosts to 
 accept SSL connection ?
 
 Thanks a lot.
 Best regards
 
 /stefano
 
 
 

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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-28 Per discussione Charles A Edwards

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Unless I misunderstand you, this is just what Mozilla offers.  I used 
 to use it in Netscape, but now I find that using that disables 
 on-line banking and too many other useful sites are broken.  I've 
 compromised and use the blocks on a site-by-site basis.

I have also run into that problem, gratefully Opera7 offers the option
Open requested pop-up windows only which is the best of both worlds.


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Re: [newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

LATER
==
OK I took it off and reinstalled it and not I've spellchecker,
don't know why it didn't take the first time around though.
probably something to do with the order of install which
was entirely manual.
John



I've installed

momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm

blowed if I can find it , any suggestions ?

John



Miark wrote:

Fire up rpmdrake, search for mozilla-1.4 and read through the 
descriptions of the results.

You'll probably want plugger and firebird.

Miark

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:36:59 +, John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Restored Mozilla 1.4 with a complete headlist and urpmi update  reinstall.
This time I downloaded the lot first then installing them to build the 
package.

Texstar has,
mozilla-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-flash-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mozilla-java-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mmozilla-mail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-realplayer-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
which speak for themselves,

but what do these all do,

mozilla-devel-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-enigmail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozilla-enigmime-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozillafirebird-0.6-3tex.i586.rpm   
mozilla-irc-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-js-debugger-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozplugger-1.3.0-1tex.i586.rpm

Can I just install them , won't break anything will it ?

John

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RE: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione Burrows, Scott

The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,
but 
we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list

Are you kidding?  You dont think your original post was not a long-winded
diatribe about certain vegtables you appear to have problems with?

I'm just saying you should take that stuff to the tomatoe list and free this
list for Linux. :)


-Original Message-
From: Cornerstone Community Farm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] GMO foods


 With all due respect, but what does that have to do with Mandrake Linux?
 This is a linux list.

1.  With all due respect, looking at the subject line I posted in error to 
this list and earlier posted to OT list when i realized my error.
2.  Obviously you are new to this list so I'll explain:
The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions, but

we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list.
:)




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Re: [newbie] cannot log in as root in 9.1

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 7:49 pm, Michael Adams wrote:
 If you feel you need a gui program as root. Open a terminal as a
 user, type su, enter the root password, then type the name of the
 program konqueror etc.

Or run File Manager Super User Mode, which is just Konqueror with a 
root password.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

2003-07-28 Per discussione Ralph Slooten

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:34:46 +0200
Geert Stichelmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 For six months now, I'm 100% M$-free on my home machine, and would like
 to stay that way.
 Now, I just bought a Sony DVD RW-U10A, DVD+/-RW and installed it in
 mandrake 9.1. 
 Reading CDROM, writing CD-R, CD-RW (using k3b), playing video DVD's
 (using mplayer)..., all works perfect.
 
 But now I wanna try to copy a DVD. Is there DVD-copy software available
 for linux?
 Anyone has experience with copying DVD's under linux?

Although I have never actually burnt a DVD in my life I do know a couple of
things. Firstly, cdrecord can burn DVD's, thus can most GUI's that are still in
development. But, and please note this: your DVD writer cannot burn 1:1 coppies
of most film DVD's you buy from the shop. The reason for this is simple. DVD's
sold with films have a capacity of well over 6 Gigs, and mostly they are filled
over the 6 Gigs, not because the extras are neccissary, or even because the
client is king and wants to see it, but purely because the DVD's you can buy
(blank) and burn are limited to I believe 4.3 Gigs. So, to put it simple, you
can buy 1.4MB floppes with software, but if you want blank ones, you can only
write onto 712KB floppies ;-)

What I'm trying to say here is commercial DVD's are specificly produced over the
limit of blank DVD's to prevent coppying. The encryption technique has been
broken / hacked, and they did know this was bound to happen. If someone makes
it, someone will break it. But it's impossible to fit 6 gigs onto 4, that's a
fact, unless you start editing the origional DVD cutting out extras, remaking
the toc and menu system if wanted to run in a commercial DVD player. It is
possible, no doubt about that, but it's not easy from what I know. Actually, I
read an interesting article about someone who actually took the time and effort
to try this, and wrote a detailed description of everything they encountered
along the way. He concluded that for single copy of a DVD, he would far rather
just buy the origional. It was woth the money (just), but definitely not the
full day he was busy with it. Actually in this specific case, he was cheaper
buying the origional, as he messed up 2 blanks while trying to get it right.

So why are there illegal DVD's around, which have been coppied? Well, because
someone takes the time to carefully do all this shit, but not for one copy, but
for hundreds. Then, and only really then does it become worth-while.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that, if you bought this DVD writer for
the sole purpose of coppying easily DVD's, you were far mislead, as many are.
DVD's seem only handy for backups really. This would be for me the only reason
why I would ever maybe buy one at it's current restriction. 

 What I'm really looking for is an easy way (gui or command line) to
 create an image of a dvd-disc, put it on my harddisk, and burn it on a
 DVD+R or DVD-R.

Explained above ;-)

I hope this may clear up some facts here. Although you probably should not quote
me exactly, what I have written here is fact to a point. Just check yourself.
The DVD's you have (blanks) are 4.x Gigs, right. Mount a DVD, and do `df -h` ...
unless it's either a documentary where they weren't bothered, or a b-rated film,
chances are it's above 6 Gigs.

Greetings
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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:49:33 -0400
Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:44 +0100
 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Unless I misunderstand you, this is just what Mozilla offers.  I used 
  to use it in Netscape, but now I find that using that disables 
  on-line banking and too many other useful sites are broken.  I've 
  compromised and use the blocks on a site-by-site basis.
 
 I have also run into that problem, gratefully Opera7 offers the option
 Open requested pop-up windows only which is the best of both worlds.
 
 
 Charles
 

Not pop-up ads, the thread was about in-line banner style ads. I also block pop-up ads.

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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

On Monday 28 July 2003 12:08 pm, Burrows, Scott wrote:
 The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,

 but

 we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list

 Are you kidding?  You dont think your original post was not a long-winded
 diatribe about certain vegtables you appear to have problems with?

 I'm just saying you should take that stuff to the tomatoe list and free
 this list for Linux. :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Cornerstone Community Farm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] GMO foods

  With all due respect, but what does that have to do with Mandrake Linux?
  This is a linux list.

 1.  With all due respect, looking at the subject line I posted in error to
 this list and earlier posted to OT list when i realized my error.
 2.  Obviously you are new to this list so I'll explain:
 The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,
 but

 we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list.

 :)
** See what happens when ya don't share them homgrown tomatoes,
he gets testy ;-))


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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:47 pm, Michael Adams wrote:
  On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:10:09 -0700
 
  Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't it easier to simply suppress popups (Moz) or use smart
denial of popups (Konq)?
  
   For popups that is probably true, assuming you are using moz or
   konq.
  
   But this was for ads that don't popup.
   Some sites i go to have flashy ads that make page scrolling jumpy
   just because the animation is running.
   Also, it's nicer to read pages w/o the ads cluttering it up.
  
   eric
 
  I actually wondered about blocking requests from HTML to servers
  other than the page originator. This would break some sites, but i
  wonder how many of those sites i want to see anyways. It would work
  something like this.
 
  I follow a link HTTP page request (server details noted)
  page comes in   HTTP page delivery
  browser renders HTML
  HTML code requests a graphic/etc
 
  HTTP request to noted server approved
 
  -HTTP request to any other server dropped
 
 
  My guess is it could only be implimented on the browser itself. Be
  one hell of a security feature though, less than half the cookies,
  and speed up surfing no end.
 
 Unless I misunderstand you, this is just what Mozilla offers.  I used 
 to use it in Netscape, but now I find that using that disables 
 on-line banking and too many other useful sites are broken.  I've 
 compromised and use the blocks on a site-by-site basis.
 
 Anne
 

Anne, what version of Moz offers this? and where is it switched on/off?

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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione Cornerstone Community Farm

1.  Original post was in error (please re-read earlier post)...As I said THEN, 
it was meant for the OT list, where we have an on-going discussion on this 
topic.
2.  This list has ALWAYS had fun minor diversions...Even BEFORE the OT list.
Some of the minor diversions have been quite long winded (and heated!)
You just missed a long discussion about this.
99% +  of bytes are direct Linux
I think you can deal with the 1%  :)

Other lists ALSO have OT off shoots at times.
Life is not one dimentional...If you can not handle this, filter, or choose 
ignore thread in your mail reader!  If you stick around, you will find lots 
of fun and creative thank you emails and generally fun comments, articles, 
web sites, recreational tidbits, etc. in the context of each person 
contributing to the list.

On Monday 28 July 2003 02:08 pm, Burrows, Scott wrote:
 The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,

 but

 we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list

 Are you kidding?  You dont think your original post was not a long-winded
 diatribe about certain vegtables you appear to have problems with?

 I'm just saying you should take that stuff to the tomatoe list and free
 this list for Linux. :)


 -Original Message-
 From: Cornerstone Community Farm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] GMO foods

  With all due respect, but what does that have to do with Mandrake Linux?
  This is a linux list.

 1.  With all due respect, looking at the subject line I posted in error to
 this list and earlier posted to OT list when i realized my error.
 2.  Obviously you are new to this list so I'll explain:
 The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,
 but

 we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list.

 :)


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Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 7:50 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote:
 I hope this may clear up some facts here. Although you probably
 should not quote me exactly, what I have written here is fact to a
 point. Just check yourself. The DVD's you have (blanks) are 4.x
 Gigs, right. Mount a DVD, and do `df -h` ... unless it's either a
 documentary where they weren't bothered, or a b-rated film, chances
 are it's above 6 Gigs.

Very interesting, Ralph.  I haven't bought a writer yet, but would 
like to at some point.  What I would really like to do, though, is to 
transfer from tape some of the footage that is most unlikely to ever 
make it to dvd.  Some are old- or tv-produced films, many are 
documentaries.  I would say the longest would be 90 minutes, with 
most around 1 hour.  Would they fit on current blanks?

And hypothetically, we are told that new technology will enable us to 
fit several times more on disks that are just around the corner.  
Does that mean that we are going to be forced to pay for many, many 
hours of unwanted rubbish stuck on the end every time we buy a film, 
just to make them bigger than the new standard?  It doesn't bear 
thinking about.  It's bad enough now, only being able to buy some 
films in the 'special' editions, with heaven knows what stuck on the 
end - which I've never watched.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

2003-07-28 Per discussione Brant Fitzsimmons

Michael Adams wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 6:47 pm, Michael Adams wrote:
   

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:10:09 -0700

Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Isn't it easier to simply suppress popups (Moz) or use smart
denial of popups (Konq)?
 

For popups that is probably true, assuming you are using moz or
konq.
But this was for ads that don't popup.
Some sites i go to have flashy ads that make page scrolling jumpy
just because the animation is running.
Also, it's nicer to read pages w/o the ads cluttering it up.
eric
   

I actually wondered about blocking requests from HTML to servers
other than the page originator. This would break some sites, but i
wonder how many of those sites i want to see anyways. It would work
something like this.
I follow a link HTTP page request (server details noted)
page comes in   HTTP page delivery
browser renders HTML
HTML code requests a graphic/etc
   HTTP request to noted server approved

   -HTTP request to any other server dropped

My guess is it could only be implimented on the browser itself. Be
one hell of a security feature though, less than half the cookies,
and speed up surfing no end.
 

Unless I misunderstand you, this is just what Mozilla offers.  I used 
to use it in Netscape, but now I find that using that disables 
on-line banking and too many other useful sites are broken.  I've 
compromised and use the blocks on a site-by-site basis.

Anne

   

Anne, what version of Moz offers this? and where is it switched on/off?

I'm not sure when Mozilla implemented it, but you can check for it under:

To regulate cookies:
Edit = Preferences = Privacy  Security = Cookies
To regulate images:
Edit = Preferences = Privacy  Security = Images
To regulate popups:
Edit = Preferences = Privacy  Security = Popup Windows
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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 8:12 pm, Michael Adams wrote:

 Anne, what version of Moz offers this? and where is it switched
 on/off?

Looks as though I misled you.  I can't find it in the current Moz, so 
perhaps it was a Netscape thing.  What I'm using is the 'allow 
pop-ups' with exceptions, which can be set on a site by site basis.  
Alternatively you could deny with exceptions.  This is found either 
in Edit  Preferences  Privacy  Security  Popup Windows, or from 
the Tools menu where you can block or allow from the site you are 
currently on, and also manage your lists.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

Say , what is it , with this signature stuff , then.

Ralph Slootens post came up a right bad signature.
Nearly wouldn't let me read it.
What has he done to offend Mozilla ?
Sorry Ralph , your exiled for now ,
Anyhow what is enigmail all about then ?
John



LATER
==
OK I took it off and reinstalled it and not I've spellchecker,
don't know why it didn't take the first time around though.
probably something to do with the order of install which
was entirely manual.
John





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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione Networks East

I agree,  go find a veggie list to discuss this in

- Original Message - 
From: Burrows, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] GMO foods

 The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,
 but
 we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list

 Are you kidding?  You dont think your original post was not a long-winded
 diatribe about certain vegtables you appear to have problems with?

 I'm just saying you should take that stuff to the tomatoe list and free
this
 list for Linux. :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Cornerstone Community Farm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] GMO foods

  With all due respect, but what does that have to do with Mandrake Linux?
  This is a linux list.

 1.  With all due respect, looking at the subject line I posted in error to
 this list and earlier posted to OT list when i realized my error.
 2.  Obviously you are new to this list so I'll explain:
 The Linux list sometimes delves into all kinds of off-topic discussions,
but

 we try to take the long-winded talks private or to the OT list.
 :)

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

2003-07-28 Per discussione Brant Fitzsimmons

John Richard Smith wrote:

I've installed

momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm

blowed if I can find it , any suggestions ?

John



Miark wrote:

Fire up rpmdrake, search for mozilla-1.4 and read through the 
descriptions of the results.

You'll probably want plugger and firebird.

Miark

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:36:59 +, John Richard Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Restored Mozilla 1.4 with a complete headlist and urpmi update  
reinstall.
This time I downloaded the lot first then installing them to build 
the package.

Texstar has,
mozilla-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-flash-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mozilla-java-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
mmozilla-mail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-realplayer-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
which speak for themselves,

but what do these all do,

mozilla-devel-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm 
mozilla-enigmail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozilla-enigmime-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm  
mozillafirebird-0.6-3tex.i586.rpm   
mozilla-irc-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozilla-js-debugger-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
mozplugger-1.3.0-1tex.i586.rpm

Can I just install them , won't break anything will it ?

John

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Re: [newbie] GMO foods

2003-07-28 Per discussione crak600

On Monday 28 July 2003 12:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Monday 28 Jul 2003 3:02 pm, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
  In general, we know far too little about them.

 Posted to the wrong list, perhaps?

 Anne

at least it isn't more bashing and name calling about personal standpoints on 
political topics!  lol


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RE: [newbie] Logitech Marble Mouse

2003-07-28 Per discussione Daniel

Could it be becuse it's usb, there is no 3 button generic for the usb
mouse

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Aron Smith wrote:
  On Friday 25 July 2003 04:30 pm, Daniel wrote:
 I have a Logitech Marble Mouse and I did not see this hardware in the
 
  Try the generic wheel mouse worked for me;)

md 6 thru 9.1 have set my logitech trackman marble, 3 buttons, no wheel,
as a default 3 buttons, with out any problems.


peace out.

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[newbie] kmail question

2003-07-28 Per discussione crak600

quickie about kmail.when i click on a web page link that's been e-mailed 
to me, the page opens up in Konqueror.  i can't find where to make it open up 
in mozilla web browser as the default.  i've checked out all the options for 
kmail and i don't see a way to make it default to mozilla instead of 
konqueror.  am i stuck with it this way and have to manually select mozilla 
every time or did i miss something?  thanks!

Mike

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Re: [newbie] kmail question

On Monday 28 Jul 2003 9:38 pm, crak600 wrote:
 quickie about kmail.when i click on a web page link that's been
 e-mailed to me, the page opens up in Konqueror.  i can't find where to make
 it open up in mozilla web browser as the default.  i've checked out all the
 options for kmail and i don't see a way to make it default to mozilla
 instead of konqueror.  am i stuck with it this way and have to manually
 select mozilla every time or did i miss something?  thanks!

 Mike

KDE Control CentreComponentsFile Associations
type  html in the search box
Move mozilla to the top of the list in 'application preference order'

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla1.4 packages

On Monday 28 July 2003 01:05 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 I've installed

 momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm

 blowed if I can find it , any suggestions ?
** MOM-o-zilla ? :-)

 John

 Miark wrote:
 Fire up rpmdrake, search for mozilla-1.4 and read through the
 descriptions of the results.
 
 You'll probably want plugger and firebird.
 
 Miark
 
 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:36:59 +, John Richard Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Restored Mozilla 1.4 with a complete headlist and urpmi update 
  reinstall. This time I downloaded the lot first then installing them to
  build the package.
 
 
 Texstar has,
 mozilla-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-flash-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
 mozilla-java-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
 mmozilla-mail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 momozilla-spellchecker-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-realplayer-1.4-1tex.i586.rpm
 
 which speak for themselves,
 
 but what do these all do,
 
 mozilla-devel-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-enigmail-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-enigmime-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozillafirebird-0.6-3tex.i586.rpm
 mozilla-irc-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozilla-js-debugger-1.4-1mdk.i586.rpm
 mozplugger-1.3.0-1tex.i586.rpm
 
 
 Can I just install them , won't break anything will it ?
 
 John
 
 
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Re: [newbie] GMO foods