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September 27, 2003 11:20 pm, Lance Cummings wrote:
whack

 Good to know, thanks.  I will be tempted to run as root someday I'm
 sure, as I run as administrator (but renamed for security) in
 WIndows.  But that would be quite some time from now, and maybe I
 will forgo the idea entirely if it's not too big a pain not to be
 root.  ^^_^^

For your personal security resist that temptation. _Please!_ If a gremlin 
manages to crawl in through a malicious script or other methods the worst 
that might happen is a loss of anything not backed up. Yeah, I read your 
other post. Sounds as though you back up almost as much as I do. Suspenders 
and belt. Or as Anne would say; Belt'n'braces. If you cruise to a den of 
iniquity containing a nest of viper scripts as root you won't like the 
world.

At all.

  2/ Do not use weak root or user passwords. There are utilities
  which will guess a weak password quite quickly. Also make sure you
  are running at a security level high enough to report unsuccessful
  logins  (I think 'standard' security is OK)

 Same advice applies to Windows, thanks.  I am running 'standard', so
 glad to hear it will prolly suffice.  I use strong passwords, and I
 expire them.

That works.

  3/ Make sure you enter an email address in the Mandrake control
  Centre Security window. That way you will be alerted to security
  attacks.

 Totally unaware.  Thanks.

  4/ Install the chkrootkit RPM which will examine your system daily
  to see if you have been compromised. It does not need any set up.
  Its reports will come in your daily Mandrake security report.

 On the CD?  (guess I'll go have a look)

It should be. We'll get to source repositories in a minute.

  5/ Read about how msec (Mandrake Secure) works at
  http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/

 Okay.  Right after I finish 'War and Peace'.  ^_-

Smart ass. Good one. ^_-

  6/ Do your Mandrake Security updates regularly, either by the GUI,
  or from an automated cron job
  The command
  urpmi.update updates  urpmi --update --auto-select
  will do the updates for you.
  (That assumes you have defined a urpmi update source called
  updates)

 Oh-oh.  Unknown thing.  Danger, Will Robinson!  (I have defined no
 such thing, and would be unlikely to do so until I figure out how to
 do it.)  lol

Make your life easier Lance and click the link below. Change the release in 
the pull down to cooker and ask for cooker, contribs, and PLF. Then modify 
the command for PLF to reflect the fact that the hdlists aren't in the RPM 
directory any more. I'd suggest easynet for the plf source. After the sources 
set up use the command you see above. Or the one below the link;

http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon

This is the form they'll take. I'm giving the command to add plf easynet:

urpmi.addmedia PLF ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/cooker/i586 with ../hdlist.cz

alternate update command;

urpmi.update -a -f  urpmi --wget --no-verify-rpm --auto-select -v

you may also need to run this one occasionally if everything on your menu 
seems to become a directory rather than an icon.

rpm --rebuilddb  updatedb  update-menus -n  ldconfig

  Note:Now you are running Mdk 9.2RC2 you **must** delete your
  current 9.1 urpmi sources and add 9.2 sources.

 Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh.  A **must** that I have no idea how to
 accomplish.  I am in deep kimchi now, I suspect.

urpmi.removemedia -a

You'll find instructions on the site at the link I posted above under Step3 
where your source configuration commands will be after they're generated.

 Thanks Derek,

 Lance

Have fun!

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Re: [newbie] Kicker?

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September 27, 2003 10:58 pm, Lance Cummings wrote:
[..]
 Thanks Charlie.  I did indeed figure out that .xxx meant hidden, and
 set Konqueror to show them all, as I run the same way in Windows.
 As you probably read in my other response though, renaming did not
 do anything I'm aware of.

 Lance

I was sure you would have the knowledge Lance; but I'm a cautious type. 

Most of the time. ^_^

I doubt anyone believes that really since I run cooker. g

I'm getting a bit cranky over broken menus and missing apps myself lately. I 
hope they thaw cooker out soon so we can start breaking things on purpose 
instead of tripping over hidden landmines.

Cheers;
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A:  Alexander the Grape.
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[newbie] Remember the GPL?

2003-09-28 Per discussione [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi,

What does the GPL say about the following?

Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available for Club 
Members and all people who have contributed to the new version 
(including developers and translators), prior to retail packs and public 
download release.

Is this in conformance with the GPL? Does the GPL favor any select group 
or does it prohibit discrimination and restrictions?

Thanx,

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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:12, Dan Gordon wrote:
 KDE-Look.org had a walpaper until recently called night, it was one of
 my favorites. It does not seem to be there anymore exept for a slackware
 version. If anyone has it please forward it to me, I will be forever
 gratfull.
 
 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

You can snag all that artwork from:

ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/

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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:53, Lance Cummings wrote:
 Okay, before I go out and smell the dioxins, there is one item of 
 urgent (for me, anyway) business:
 
 Please look at the following URL in both Mozilla and Konqueror:

WHACK

 Advice and counsel sought, providing I survive the dioxins, that is.
 
 Lance

Pages/Sites done in FrontPage do not necessarily conform to STANDARDS -
but if it's written in FrontPage, it will most certainly display in
Internet Explorer...

One of the sad things about quite a few web developers is that they
don't care to bother with a standard, nor are they concerned as to what
a site is going to display like in anything other than what they're
using - Internet Explorer, mostly.

After viewing the page source, I am of the opinion that the page was
done in FP2000 or XP...but I could be wrong...

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science drives out the good. And for this I think we have to blame,
first, the scientific community ourselves for not doing a better job of
popularizing science, and second, the media, which are in this respect
almost uniformly dreadful. Every newspaper in America has a daily
astrology column. How many have even a weekly astronomy column? And I
believe it is also the fault of the educational system. We do not teach
how to think. This is a very serious failure that may even, in a world
rigged with 60,000 nuclear weapons, compromise the human future. - Carl
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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

2003-09-28 Per discussione Dan Gordon

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:24:11 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:12, Dan Gordon wrote:
  KDE-Look.org had a walpaper until recently called night, it was one
  of my favorites. It does not seem to be there anymore exept for a
  slackware version. If anyone has it please forward it to me, I will
  be forever gratfull.
  
  Regards,
  Dan Gordon
 
 You can snag all that artwork from:
 
 ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/
 
 stephen kuhn - owner

I could not find what I was looking for :-(
Seems like some of the links are dead.
 
Regards,
Dan Gordon

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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

2003-09-28 Per discussione Dan Gordon

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:43:07 -0400
Dan Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Arrr I need my night wallpaper lol
Regards,
Dan Gordon

P.S. sorry for this but its one of those anal things we all have to deal
with.

Regards,
Dan Gordon

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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

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September 28, 2003 01:12 am, Dan Gordon wrote:
 KDE-Look.org had a walpaper until recently called night, it was one of
 my favorites. It does not seem to be there anymore exept for a slackware
 version. If anyone has it please forward it to me, I will be forever
 gratfull.

 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

Was it one of these?

http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php

Good luck.
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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

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September 28, 2003 01:48 am, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:43:07 -0400
 Dan Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Arrr I need my night wallpaper lol
 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

 P.S. sorry for this but its one of those anal things we all have to deal
 with.

 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

Copy'n'paste sucks sometimes. That last reply was worthless, I hope this one's 
better. :-) Sorry for the length.

http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php?page=1search=1type=0name=nightuser=text=sort=0perpage=15scorefilter=0
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[newbie] sound problems following upgrade

2003-09-28 Per discussione mooney

Sound OK in 9.1, upgraded to 9.2 RC.

Sound is now locked by another process whenever I attempt to use.

Card is an on-board SiS7012 (not the best), which used snd-intel8x0
module. This is installed, and module is loaded.

Any suggestions, please?

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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:43, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:24:11 +1000
 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:12, Dan Gordon wrote:
   KDE-Look.org had a walpaper until recently called night, it was one
   of my favorites. It does not seem to be there anymore exept for a
   slackware version. If anyone has it please forward it to me, I will
   be forever gratfull.
   
   Regards,
   Dan Gordon
  
  You can snag all that artwork from:
  
  ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/
  
  stephen kuhn - owner
 
 I could not find what I was looking for :-(
 Seems like some of the links are dead.
  
 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

Well, you should be able to browse through any of the other contrib
mirrors and you'll find packages called kde-artwork and the likes -
that's where you can snag that stuff...

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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

Lance Cummings wrote:
Okay, before I go out and smell the dioxins, there is one item of 
urgent (for me, anyway) business:

Please look at the following URL in both Mozilla and Konqueror:

https://newtrading.etrade.ne.jp/ETGate

I know you probably can't read Japanese (most of you anyway).  It's 
okay.  g

You will probably notice a difference between Mozilla and Konqueror 
right away on this page:  The Mozilla implementation seems complete; 
some things are clearly missing in Konqueror.  However, the 
Konqueror page seems much more readable (what there is of it) -- 
fonts sharper, whatever (I set my fonts larger in Konqueror, which 
helps dramatically, but doesn't seem to help in Mozilla).

Looked at it in both Moz and Konq - I don't read Japanese, but on my 
setup there seem to be bits visible in Konq that are missing in Moz. But 
my Moz installation seems dodgy anyway - I often get bits missing that 
are clearly visible in Konq.

The user shouldn't have to change view settings to read a page if the 
coding is done correctly - most users won't bother anyway and will just 
look elsewhere.

It is up to the producer to code the font face family in the correct 
order so it looks good in all browsers. There's a useful article here:

http://realworldstyle.com/fonts.html (but I don't know what order 
Japanese fonts should go in - sorry!)

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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:48, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:43:07 -0400
 Dan Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Arrr I need my night wallpaper lol
 Regards,
 Dan Gordon
 
 P.S. sorry for this but its one of those anal things we all have to deal
 with.
 
 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

Have you tried searching through kde-look.org?

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Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] more refresh and modeline fun follies

2003-09-28 Per discussione Richard Urwin

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 4:55 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
[rearrainged and snipped]
 One of the things you missed while you were gone is that the refresh
 rate is now settled successfully.  
I originally sent the mail on Thursday, but had forgotten to set my email 
address in KMail. Newbie and expert were quietly ignoring all my posts. On 
Saturday I posted to another list that was good enough to bounce back a 
refusal.

I did notice that in the meantime you had solved the problem, but I thought 
there was enough useful stuff in the post to resend it anyway.

I'm glad to hear everything is working now.

  Phew! I'm back again. I just had a very nasty disk crash taking /
  and /home away to the filesystem in the sky. I even *considered*
  doing a backup the day before... So forgive me if I sound
  forgetful, I would have to visit the archives to check up on the
  thread.

 No problem.  My sympathies, and I was there once.  I never want to be
 there again, and backups are done too often now.  g  I use a big
 portable USB drive, normally offline, and image partitions to it,
 and I also have a batch file I run using a neat little (Windows)
 utility called xxcopy.  Clones the essential files very very
 quickly.  The batch file is very nice -- I can dump every essential
 file on the box to that USB in just a few minutes.  The imaging
 program is Acronis True Image, which is another real nice piece of
 work, allowing any Windows partition, including XP and 2000 system
 partitions, to be imaged on the fly from inside the GUI.

If you, (or anyone else) have any suggestions for an automated backup to CD-RW 
that I could fit and forget I would love to hear about it. Part of the 
problem is that it is so labour intensive to do the backup. If I had a tape 
drive I know I could do it.

...Hmm does MDK9.1 still have a driver that little IOMEGA 125MB tape drive 
that fitted onto the floppy bus? I still have one of those somewhere, and a 
whole box of tapes unopened.

 Thanks for your help Richard.  Please keep an eye on my threads so
 you can grasp just how much one human being does not know.

You're probably the list expert on modelines now ;-)

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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

2003-09-28 Per discussione Lance Cummings

Hi Stephen,

Sunday, September 28, 2003, 4:28:24 PM, you wrote:

SK On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:53, Lance Cummings wrote:
 Okay, before I go out and smell the dioxins, there is one item of 
 urgent (for me, anyway) business:
 
 Please look at the following URL in both Mozilla and Konqueror:

SK WHACK

WHACK?  ^_^

 Advice and counsel sought, providing I survive the dioxins, that is.
 
 Lance

SK Pages/Sites done in FrontPage do not necessarily conform to STANDARDS -
SK but if it's written in FrontPage, it will most certainly display in
SK Internet Explorer...

SK One of the sad things about quite a few web developers is that they
SK don't care to bother with a standard, nor are they concerned as to what
SK a site is going to display like in anything other than what they're
SK using - Internet Explorer, mostly.

SK After viewing the page source, I am of the opinion that the page was
SK done in FP2000 or XP...but I could be wrong...

Okay, I well understand I think, but right or wrong is not the
question. I have to do business with these people Monday through
Friday, every day of the year except national holidays.  So, I need a
comfortable view of what they are providing, regardless of their
adherence to STANDARDS.  g  My question at this point is how do I
comfortably view their output, regardless of how oblivious to or
complicitous with the Redmond monopoly they might be? Redmond be
damned, I have to look at that site, every day, so I need a way to
see that site completely and correctly, regardless of the
shortsightedness of the webmaster.

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Re: [newbie] Radio Control Sims

2003-09-28 Per discussione Richard Urwin

On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 2:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 Anybody know of a linux port of a R/C trainer system ? There are several
 on the market but they all use Win$ux %-0
 Crashing this Helicopter is getting expensive.

There's a Playstation game called R/C Copter, or something similar. I found it 
too hard, so it might be a good sim :-) It seemed realistic, but then I've 
never flown a real one.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

yankl wrote:
On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:15 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 05:37 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound, will you
please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what driver it is
using?  Thanks
Anne
I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the driver
Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with grip, not xmms.
Sorry not much help.
Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at least it
recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which is more than I get

from xmms. Still no sound though

You've told us your driver. What sound card does MCC say you have, and
how did you get it there?
It says my sound card is VIA Technologies VT8233.  I did not have to do
anything, it was autodetected on install. Have you perchance checked the
bios to see if the onboard sound is set to auto and not disabled? Just
fumbling in the dark with that, cause I do not recall if you said you had
made sure it was turned on. HTH
Nobody has mentioned bios yet...how do I check it, and how do I change
it if wrong?
It all depends on the computer you have. 

Warning, it could be dangerous to play with your BIOS, if you do not know what 
specific parameter does do not change it. 

All following is for DESKTOP ONLY, laptop is an other story.

Right after rebooting your PC press on of the following buttons.
Not always true.
F1- IBM; HP
F10 - DELL
ESC - Old Gateway
F2 - PakardBell
Look for a message that say Press some button to access setup
You will get insight BIOS settings. BIOS stands for - basic input output 
system. It's looks like nc or mc. Usually, but not all ways, arrows will move 
you through the system. Usually, but not always, on board sound is turned 
off/on in advance menu under pci devices. It is a good idea to reference 
documentation of your motherboard.   
  
Thanks. I had to use Del to access the setup (tried all your options 
first, then started working my way through the keyboard until something 
worked!). Have now enabled OnBoard AC97 Audio.

Have checked MCC - now showing two soundcards! The original non-existent 
one, plus VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller using driver snd-via8233.

How do I remove the non-existent one from the list and how do I get the 
CD player etc to recognise the real one?


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Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?

2003-09-28 Per discussione Richard Urwin

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 What does the GPL say about the following?

 Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available for Club
 Members and all people who have contributed to the new version
 (including developers and translators), prior to retail packs and public
 download release.

 Is this in conformance with the GPL? Does the GPL favor any select group
 or does it prohibit discrimination and restrictions?

The GPL does not force anyone to distribute anything. I can write a GPL 
program today and leave it on a floppy disk, undistributed, or give it only 
to my grandma. Your next door neighbour cannot come round and demand that you 
give him a copy of a GPL program that you happen to have. The GPL only 
specifies what must happen if and when you distribute. So my grandma could 
demand the source code, and could post it on her website for the world to 
download.

If you know someone in the Mandrake Club who has downloaded 9.2, then you can 
ask them for a copy, and if they're nice they can burn you one. Mandrake 
can't stop them doing that. I hope your friend suggests that you join the 
club instead, though.

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[newbie] ATA drives in A7N8X deluxe with mdk 9.1

2003-09-28 Per discussione L.V.Gandhi

I have provisions for 2 SATA drives. Even BIOS checks for that while POST. But 
mdk 9.1 while booting checks for hde and hdf for quit considerable time. with 
fb mode it looks as if it hangs. This happens now after reinstallation of 
mdk9.1 yesterday. Before that it didn't happen like that. I would like to 
avoid that. Any solution is appreciated.
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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 19:12, Lance Cummings wrote:

 Okay, I well understand I think, but right or wrong is not the
 question. I have to do business with these people Monday through
 Friday, every day of the year except national holidays.  So, I need a
 comfortable view of what they are providing, regardless of their
 adherence to STANDARDS.  g  My question at this point is how do I
 comfortably view their output, regardless of how oblivious to or
 complicitous with the Redmond monopoly they might be? Redmond be
 damned, I have to look at that site, every day, so I need a way to
 see that site completely and correctly, regardless of the
 shortsightedness of the webmaster.
 
 Lance

You have choices. You've already tried Mozilla and Konqueror - so try
Opera and Galeon. If you're really stuck to have to use MSIE, you can
get CrossoverOffice and run it under emulation without having to leave
the security and comfort of linux...else you can try Win4Lin or
VMWare...

I've had to make use of Netscape where I couldn't view in Moz - ditto
with Galeon...not a big fan of Konq, so I try to avoid using that for
anything other than file management. Opera's alright for alot of things
that are MSIE compatible - but it's a matter of testing and playing
around, mate.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 11:37 pm, Margot wrote:
 Dennis Myers wrote:
  On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound, will
  you please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what
  driver it is using?  Thanks
 
 Anne
 
  I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the
  driver Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with
  grip, not xmms. Sorry not much help.

 Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at least
 it recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which is more
 than I get from xmms. Still no sound though

In xmms, on the left-hand, barely visible menu panel, right-click on 
the + at the top.  Select Play Location, and type in /mnt/cdrom or 
whatever yours is called.  Let us know whether that worked.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 1:15 am, Margot wrote:
 Nobody has mentioned bios yet...how do I check it, and how do I
 change it if wrong?

During boot-up a message appears at the bottom to hit a specific key 
to access bios settings.  It is usually Delete, but a few boards use 
something different.

There are a number of bioses, so I can't be specific, but you can 
navigate through the options, usually with arrow keys.  The part you 
are looking for will probably be on a page with a name something like 
Peripherals.  If in doubt, take a look at all of them.   Leave alone 
anything that is not obvious.  The on-board peripheral settings 
section will be obvious.  To change them, the method varies between 
boards, but usually entails hitting enter and selecting from a menu.  
You then have to return to the main menu and Save and Exit.  On some 
boards you can F10 to do this, on others you have to step back with 
Esc then navigate to the option.

HTH

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[newbie] Webpage: Flysui

Ok...this is a time waster to the max...I'm deviating from sending the
usual gloom'n'doom and smoking gun stuff as some folks reckon I don't
have a sense of humour anymore...

http://www2.abc.net.au/fly/flysui/flysui.html

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Re: [newbie] ATA drives in A7N8X deluxe with mdk 9.1

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 19:14, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
 I have provisions for 2 SATA drives. Even BIOS checks for that while POST. But 
 mdk 9.1 while booting checks for hde and hdf for quit considerable time. with 
 fb mode it looks as if it hangs. This happens now after reinstallation of 
 mdk9.1 yesterday. Before that it didn't happen like that. I would like to 
 avoid that. Any solution is appreciated.

Have you checked through dmesg for any discrepancies or errors?

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

2003-09-28 Per discussione Beppe

I don't want to say something stupid but if I am not wrong there are 2 OSS 
drivers supporting AC97... they should be VIA82xx and VIA82xx-snd.
Again if I am not wrong, Mandrake starts using the first one and if you switch 
to the second one everything should work fine.
I don't remember how to do it because now I use another distro but you should 
be able to do it from the Mandrake Control Center.
Hope I've been helpful :)

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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 10:12 am, Lance Cummings wrote:

 SK After viewing the page source, I am of the opinion that the
 page was SK done in FP2000 or XP...but I could be wrong...

 Okay, I well understand I think, but right or wrong is not the
 question. I have to do business with these people Monday through
 Friday, every day of the year except national holidays.  So, I need
 a comfortable view of what they are providing, regardless of their
 adherence to STANDARDS.  g  My question at this point is how do I
 comfortably view their output, regardless of how oblivious to or
 complicitous with the Redmond monopoly they might be? Redmond be
 damned, I have to look at that site, every day, so I need a way to
 see that site completely and correctly, regardless of the
 shortsightedness of the webmaster.

I was very surprised at what I saw there, as I usually find that 
Konqueror copes with pages that do not display correctly in Mozilla, 
not the other way round.

The situation is , however, that if pages are not constructed to look 
well in both IE and non-M$ bowsers the only thing you can do is have 
a number of browsers available and try until you find one that works.  
Undesirable, but that is reality.  Pages will not display identically 
in different browsers, but should be reasonable in all.  If they are 
not they are badly written, and there is no answer to that.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

2003-09-28 Per discussione yankl

On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:26 am, Margot wrote:
 yankl wrote:
  On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:15 pm, Margot wrote:
 Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Saturday 27 September 2003 05:37 pm, Margot wrote:
 Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound, will you
 please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what driver it is
 using?  Thanks
 
 Anne
 
 I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the driver
 Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with grip, not
  xmms. Sorry not much help.
 
 Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at least it
 recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which is more than I
  get
 
 from xmms. Still no sound though
 
 You've told us your driver. What sound card does MCC say you have, and
 how did you get it there?
 
 It says my sound card is VIA Technologies VT8233.  I did not have to do
 anything, it was autodetected on install. Have you perchance checked the
 bios to see if the onboard sound is set to auto and not disabled? Just
 fumbling in the dark with that, cause I do not recall if you said you
  had made sure it was turned on. HTH
 
 Nobody has mentioned bios yet...how do I check it, and how do I change
 it if wrong?
 
  It all depends on the computer you have.
 
  Warning, it could be dangerous to play with your BIOS, if you do not know
  what specific parameter does do not change it.
 
  All following is for DESKTOP ONLY, laptop is an other story.
 
  Right after rebooting your PC press on of the following buttons.
  Not always true.
  F1- IBM; HP
  F10 - DELL
  ESC - Old Gateway
  F2 - PakardBell
 
  Look for a message that say Press some button to access setup
  You will get insight BIOS settings. BIOS stands for - basic input output
  system. It's looks like nc or mc. Usually, but not all ways, arrows will
  move you through the system. Usually, but not always, on board sound is
  turned off/on in advance menu under pci devices. It is a good idea to
  reference documentation of your motherboard.

 Thanks. I had to use Del to access the setup (tried all your options
 first, then started working my way through the keyboard until something
 worked!). Have now enabled OnBoard AC97 Audio.

 Have checked MCC - now showing two soundcards! The original non-existent
 one, plus VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller using driver snd-via8233.

 How do I remove the non-existent one from the list and how do I get the
 CD player etc to recognise the real one?

Edit as root /etc/sysconfig/soundcard
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Re: [newbie] Webpage: Flysui

2003-09-28 Per discussione _nasturtium

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:37 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 Ok...this is a time waster to the max...I'm deviating from sending the
 usual gloom'n'doom and smoking gun stuff as some folks reckon I don't
 have a sense of humour anymore...
 http://www2.abc.net.au/fly/flysui/flysui.html
Hi!

Nice to know what the ABC is doing with taxpayer's money :-).

Really quite nice and interesting, but Flash Player 6 (Update Version 6.0r79, 
only for Mozilla not Konqueror) is so slow on my comp I'd have a better 
chance catching those flies in real life ... with chopsticks. :-)

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] MCC thinks I have a Sound Card

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 1:49 am, Michael Adams wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:21:27 +0100

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 1:11 pm, Margot wrote:
   Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 21:10, Margot wrote:
   I used to get sound, but I had to reinstall Mandrake some
months ago to get the internet connection working, and I
think I messed up somewhere as I hadn't a clue what I was
doing, because I haven't had any sound since the reinstall.
   
   I've been fiddling with this on and off for months, reading
hundreds of messages in the archive and tweaking this and
that, but no luck yet.
   
   Problem has now become urgent, because I've moved furniture
around and I now can't listen to CDs on the stereo while
sitting at the computer unless I turn it up so loud it
upsets the neighbours! Headphone cord not long enough, so I
really need to be able to play CDs through the computer!
   
   I think I know what the problem is, but I have no idea how to
fix it.
   
   MCC thinks I have a Sound Card. I haven't. I've got something
called Integrated AC97 Audio. How do I get Mandrake to
recognise this?
   
   Margot
   
The AC97 is a sound system built into the motherboard - not
always the greatest, but workable. You might want to open a
term, su as root, then try running /usr/sbin/sndconfig to see
if it will properly recognise the card - if all else, you
might want to consider actually getting a proper sound card
and disabling the AC97 in your BIOS...sorry to say...
   
stephen kuhn - owner
  
   Result:
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# /usr/sbin/sndconfig
   bash: /usr/sbin/sndconfig: No such file or directory
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]#
  
   Now what? Where did I go wrong?
  
   I don't see that I should need to buy a sound card - this
   thing, whatever it is, used to work - until I reinstalled.
  
   Margot
 
  If it used to work, it should again.  Have you tried running
  HardDrake?
 
  If that doesn't work, to get sndconfig to work you will have to
  boot into init 3 - at the lilo splash hit Esc, then type linux 3.
   Login as root and try the command again.

 Anne

 A shortcut to get into init 3, su then type init 3. Some insist
 on using inittab 3 but i dont know why when the shorter one works
 for me.

As I understand it, sndconfig will not work if X is running.  I 
thought your method left X in the background?  That's why I suggested 
the other way.

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Re: [newbie] Webpage: Flysui

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 20:24, _nasturtium wrote:

 Hi!
 
   Nice to know what the ABC is doing with taxpayer's money :-).

Yeah! Innit great! (g)

   Really quite nice and interesting, but Flash Player 6 (Update Version 6.0r79, 
 only for Mozilla not Konqueror) is so slow on my comp I'd have a better 
 chance catching those flies in real life ... with chopsticks. :-)
 
   Regards,
   _nasturtium

Hmmm...I'm getting fairly fast performance outta my little old AthlonXP
box...pushed slightly beyond it's 1.67ghz to 2.0ghz...with a touch of
896mb of RAM...ah well...it's a time waster...

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Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?

2003-09-28 Per discussione dlwiggers

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:08 +
Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  What does the GPL say about the following?
 
  Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available
  for Club Members and all people who have contributed to the new
  version(including developers and translators), prior to retail
  packs and public download release.
 
  Is this in conformance with the GPL? Does the GPL favor any
  select group or does it prohibit discrimination and
  restrictions?
 
 The GPL does not force anyone to distribute anything. I can write
 a GPL program today and leave it on a floppy disk, undistributed,
 or give it only to my grandma. Your next door neighbour cannot
 come round and demand that you give him a copy of a GPL program
 that you happen to have. The GPL only specifies what must happen
 if and when you distribute. So my grandma could demand the source
 code, and could post it on her website for the world to download.
 
 If you know someone in the Mandrake Club who has downloaded 9.2,
 then you can ask them for a copy, and if they're nice they can
 burn you one. Mandrake can't stop them doing that. I hope your
 friend suggests that you join the club instead, though.
 
 -- 
 Richard Urwin
 
 
I'm assuming the original question was rhetorical?  If not, I'm
impressed.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

yankl wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:26 am, Margot wrote:

yankl wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:15 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 05:37 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound, will you
please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what driver it is
using?  Thanks
Anne
I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the driver
Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with grip, not
xmms. Sorry not much help.
Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at least it
recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which is more than I
get

from xmms. Still no sound though

You've told us your driver. What sound card does MCC say you have, and
how did you get it there?
It says my sound card is VIA Technologies VT8233.  I did not have to do
anything, it was autodetected on install. Have you perchance checked the
bios to see if the onboard sound is set to auto and not disabled? Just
fumbling in the dark with that, cause I do not recall if you said you
had made sure it was turned on. HTH
Nobody has mentioned bios yet...how do I check it, and how do I change
it if wrong?
It all depends on the computer you have.

Warning, it could be dangerous to play with your BIOS, if you do not know
what specific parameter does do not change it.
All following is for DESKTOP ONLY, laptop is an other story.

Right after rebooting your PC press on of the following buttons.
Not always true.
F1- IBM; HP
F10 - DELL
ESC - Old Gateway
F2 - PakardBell
Look for a message that say Press some button to access setup
You will get insight BIOS settings. BIOS stands for - basic input output
system. It's looks like nc or mc. Usually, but not all ways, arrows will
move you through the system. Usually, but not always, on board sound is
turned off/on in advance menu under pci devices. It is a good idea to
reference documentation of your motherboard.
Thanks. I had to use Del to access the setup (tried all your options
first, then started working my way through the keyboard until something
worked!). Have now enabled OnBoard AC97 Audio.
Have checked MCC - now showing two soundcards! The original non-existent
one, plus VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller using driver snd-via8233.
How do I remove the non-existent one from the list and how do I get the
CD player etc to recognise the real one?


Edit as root /etc/sysconfig/soundcard

No such file on my system (9.0). I've checked all locations. Would it be 
hiding under another name? Or should I create the file? If so, what 
should it contain?


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[newbie] Best Athlon 64 motherboard

2003-09-28 Per discussione Jure Repinc

Hi,

I'm planing on buying AMD Athlon 64 in about a month and I wonder which 
motherboard or chipset is the most supported under Linux.

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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

2003-09-28 Per discussione Lee Wiggers

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:53:41 +0900
Lance Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay, before I go out and smell the dioxins, there is one item of 
 urgent (for me, anyway) business:
 
 Please look at the following URL in both Mozilla and Konqueror:
 
 https://newtrading.etrade.ne.jp/ETGate
 
 I know you probably can't read Japanese (most of you anyway). 
 It's okay.  g
 
 You will probably notice a difference between Mozilla and
 Konqueror right away on this page:  The Mozilla implementation
 seems complete; some things are clearly missing in Konqueror. 
 However, the Konqueror page seems much more readable (what there
 is of it) -- fonts sharper, whatever (I set my fonts larger in
 Konqueror, which helps dramatically, but doesn't seem to help in
 Mozilla).
 
 I hate to say it . . . but using the dreaded Browser from
 Redmond in the dreaded OS from Redmond, this page loads
 beautifully, perfectly, splendidly.  (William is watching over
 me?)
 
 Advice and counsel sought, providing I survive the dioxins, that
 is.
 
 Lance
 
 
 
There are some tags that mozilla and opera don't render properly
either.  I noticed last week when I was working on a table that a
friend gave me for inclusion on the webpage that neither of these
browsers rendered the column background colors at all.  IE and Konq
both handle it well.

http://americanelevatorinspection.com/InspectorsOnly/FlaCodeTracking1.html

There is also a flaw in the code on our homepage with the
registration that I can't find.  Again Konq and IE see it right, moz
and opera don't.

I asked an old old webpage guru (now age 19).  He said it has always
been thus.

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[newbie] Re: Re: Modem help for a M$ refugee

2003-09-28 Per discussione Björn Lundin

Kaj Haulrich wrote:

 
 Thanks Björn, I didn't know that about winmodems. He has tried
 ttyS0 and ttyS1, and ttyS1 at least gives some reaction on the
 modem lights, whereas ttyS0 doesn't. That's why I figured it was
 occupied by a winmodem. The IRQ's seems to be OK. So does the
 BIOS. And the symlink is OK, but doesn't work either.
 
 Is it futile/doable to physically remove the winmodem ? And will
 it help ?

Well, in my case, it was just to remove it, since it
was a PCI card. But I don't know if there are variants build in
to the M/B. If it is PCI, just remove it.

 
 Or maybe the whole thing is impossible, what with this Rockwell
 chipset ?
 
I'd have a go with minicom, and send some AT commands to it.
Or try some AT commands to the device from bash, like 
echo AT /dev/modem
echo ATDTMy_Owm_Phone_Number /dev/modem
which should make it dial itself (I think), and give a busy tone
I don't remember any more AT-commands but there should be plenty via google

I remember have to fiddle a bit with the setting 'Wait for dial tone' in
kppp. And having a look a kppp now, I see there's a terminal window for
trouble shooting it in setup | modem | Terminal

 But first : my concern is not to loose a M$ refugee only because
 he can't get a modem up !

Good luck, but if it doesn't work out, try another modem,
eventhough I've never heard of a external modem that wasn't Haynes
compatible

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Re: [newbie] Best Athlon 64 motherboard

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 20:56, Jure Repinc wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm planing on buying AMD Athlon 64 in about a month and I wonder which 
 motherboard or chipset is the most supported under Linux.
 
 Thanks in advance for answers.

You might want to start digging through all the Overclocker sites that
have already been doing tests...I hop onto HardOCP and Overclockers
Australia every day or so - they've been having some rants...worth a few
minutes of time...especially if you're going to be spending money like
that...

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Re: [newbie] keep password broken?

2003-09-28 Per discussione RichardA

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:41:32 +, Dick Gevers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Pardon me for saying so but a/ there is no man sudoers, at least not
 on my MD 9.1; b/man sudo can be read for sure. If it looks too hard to
 comprehend remember to visit it at a later stage. 

I have a man page for sudoers, on 9.0, I don't know where yours has
gone.

 IMNSHO I do believe an advice of `Don`t read man...` is not a good
 advice.

I'm sure you know that I was joking. Having said that, when I read:

---
The grammar of sudoers will be described below in Extended
Backus-Naur Form (EBNF).  Don't despair if you don't know what EBNF is;
it is fairly simple, and the definitions below are annotated.
   Quick guide to EBNF
   EBNF is a concise and exact way of describing the grammar of a
language.  Each EBNF definition is made up of production rules. 
E.g.,
symbol ::= definition | alternate1 | alternate2 ...
---

I get a sudden urge to mow the lawn. On the other hand there are useful
examples further down the page.

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Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise

2003-09-28 Per discussione Derek Jennings

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:33 am, Lance Cummings wrote:


 Looking forward to doing that and reporting.  Say what one will about
 MS (and oh yes, a lot can be said), the fonts are not an issue.
 Stuff is very readable and clean right out of the box.

Historically fonts have always been an issue for Linux.
Almost all fonts are copyrighted, and so cannot be distributed without a 
license, and Mandrake *will not* put anything in the download edition which 
is not available under a GPL or similar license.
Recently however the 'Vera' fonts have been released under a free license, and 
are quite acceptable. 9.1 was thefirst release to include the vera fonts.

The second issue is that until recently X was very bad at displaying anti 
aliased fonts. They would appear very jagged. Recently X has improved 
considerably and font display is now good.

However due to Apple's patent on 'bytecode interpreting' it is not legal to 
distribute X in the USA with it enabled.

So to improve your fonts, then install the freetype2 RPM from Texstars 
download area, and your fonts will look  a little better.

(If Texstar has been added as a urpmi source, then just use Mandrake Sofware 
Manager to install the RPM.)


 Okay . . . I fired up kmix immediately from an xterm:

 ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found.
 Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard
 driver is loaded.

 Four times it said that, faster than you can bat an eye.  ^_^

 Then it produced the mixer, so it must have finally found it, or it
 was just pulling my leg to see how I'd react.  ^_^

 Things seem not muted according to the mixer, but still no sound.

And aumix and alsamixer did what?

 Jean-Luc Ponty and Stephane Grappelli refuse to perform.  ^_^  This
 is a letdown of major proportion.  I am opening a bottle of Chablis
 to properly mourn.

Are these MP3's or audio CDs?  Playing audio CDs is not the same as getting 
system sound.
There are different issues affecting audio CDs. 
http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/audio_cd.html

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Re: [newbie] Exploits (Was: keep password broken?)

Charlie M. wrote:

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Hash: SHA1
September 27, 2003 11:20 pm, Lance Cummings wrote:
whack

Good to know, thanks. I will be tempted to run as root someday I'm
sure, as I run as administrator (but renamed for security) in
WIndows. But that would be quite some time from now, and maybe I
will forgo the idea entirely if it's not too big a pain not to be
root. ^^_^^

For your personal security resist that temptation. _Please!_ If a gremlin
manages to crawl in through a malicious script or other methods the worst
that might happen is a loss of anything not backed up. Yeah, I read your
other post. Sounds as though you back up almost as much as I do. Suspenders
and belt. Or as Anne would say; Belt'n'braces. If you cruise to a den of
iniquity containing a nest of viper scripts as root you won't like the
world.

At all.

Indeedy-doody. Just about anything you can do by logging in as root,
you can do by typing su in a terminal. It doesn't limit you to
command-line stuff; for example, once you've become root via su, you
can type, say, konqueror and get konqueror as though you were runing
it as root.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 1:00 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 Historically fonts have always been an issue for Linux.
 Almost all fonts are copyrighted, and so cannot be distributed
 without a license, and Mandrake *will not* put anything in the
 download edition which is not available under a GPL or similar
 license.
 Recently however the 'Vera' fonts have been released under a free
 license, and are quite acceptable. 9.1 was thefirst release to
 include the vera fonts.

One thing I do miss, in the fonts line, is a decent informal script 
font, similar to Gaze or Cataneo, if you know them.  There is one 
script font in the set with 9.1, but it's not what I really want.  
Does anyone know of one I could use?  I don't want to use M$ imported 
fonts if I can help it.  Under 9.0 I had some big problems with them, 
displaying fine, but not printing.

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Re: [newbie] Exploits (Was: keep password broken?)

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 1:37 pm, robin wrote:
 Charlie M. wrote:
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 Hash: SHA1
 
 September 27, 2003 11:20 pm, Lance Cummings wrote:
 whack
 
 Good to know, thanks.  I will be tempted to run as root someday
  I'm sure, as I run as administrator (but renamed for security)
  in WIndows.  But that would be quite some time from now, and
  maybe I will forgo the idea entirely if it's not too big a pain
  not to be root.  ^^_^^
 
 For your personal security resist that temptation. _Please!_ If a
  gremlin manages to crawl in through a malicious script or other
  methods the worst that might happen is a loss of anything not
  backed up. Yeah, I read your other post. Sounds as though you
  back up almost as much as I do. Suspenders and belt. Or as Anne
  would say; Belt'n'braces. If you cruise to a den of iniquity
  containing a nest of viper scripts as root you won't like the
  world.
 
 At all.

 Indeedy-doody.  Just about anything you can do by logging in as
 root, you can do by typing su in a terminal.  It doesn't limit
 you to command-line stuff; for example, once you've become root via
 su, you can type, say, konqueror and get konqueror as though
 you were runing it as root.

 Sir Robin

But don't forget to exit root mode as soon as you can.

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Re: [newbie] Exploits (Was: keep password broken?)

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:37, robin wrote:

 Indeedy-doody.  Just about anything you can do by logging in as root, 
 you can do by typing su in a terminal.  It doesn't limit you to 
 command-line stuff; for example, once you've become root via su, you 
 can type, say, konqueror and get konqueror as though you were runing 
 it as root.
 
 Sir Robin

Ahem - are we forgetting sudo ??

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Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?

2003-09-28 Per discussione ed tharp

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 06:48, dlwiggers wrote: 
 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:08 +
 Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi,
  
   What does the GPL say about the following?
  
   Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available
   for Club Members and all people who have contributed to the new
   version(including developers and translators), prior to retail
   packs and public download release.
  
   Is this in conformance with the GPL?
Yes, without a doubt.


  Does the GPL favor any
   select group or does it prohibit discrimination and
   restrictions?
IANL
the GPL neither favors, nor discriminates against any group, other than
the author and users. 
As I understand the GPL, it does not ever make the requirement to
provide the finished product, just the source code. and even then, not
to the world at large for $free$ (as in free beer). 


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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

2003-09-28 Per discussione HaywireMac

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:32 +0900
Lance Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 regardless of their adherence to STANDARDS.

ROTFLMAO!

sorry, that is just too funny. This is an ancient and ongoing debate on
may Open Source software projects, ie. the users want the developers to
fix their software to work with broken hosts, like ISP mail servers,
websites, and the like.

So we should *encourage*  people to use broken software by incorporating
extra code to allow for said broken software?

Not bloody likely.

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[newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

I click in the file Icon, and ,
KGhostView displays the file just fine to read, but when I come to print 
it off,

Printing document ,
filtering print data,
Warning: file format  is not directly supported.
Do you want KDE to covert this file
then,

No appropriate filter found for this file format.

then,
Do you want to print the file using original format ?
I tell it to Print,

then,
error, no valid file was found for printing.
So how do I print .pdf files in Mandrake 9.1

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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 3:11 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files
 

 I click in the file Icon, and ,
 KGhostView displays the file just fine to read, but when I come to
 print it off,

 Printing document ,
 filtering print data,

 Warning: file format  is not directly supported.
 Do you want KDE to covert this file

 then,

 No appropriate filter found for this file format.

 then,
 Do you want to print the file using original format ?

 I tell it to Print,

 then,
 error, no valid file was found for printing.


 So how do I print .pdf files in Mandrake 9.1

 John

Install Acrobat.  It's on the disks, and it gives you very good 
control of printing, including scaled printing.

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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

2003-09-28 Per discussione Michael Scottaline

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:11:53 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:

How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

snippage
So how do I print .pdf files in Mandrake 9.1
Try using xpdf.  It will convert the .pdf to a.ps file and then print from gs.
I'm sure there are many other ways that might work with even fewer steps, but
I like my results with this method.
Mike

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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

2003-09-28 Per discussione Derek Jennings

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 11:02 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 10:12 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
  SK After viewing the page source, I am of the opinion that the
  page was SK done in FP2000 or XP...but I could be wrong...
 
  Okay, I well understand I think, but right or wrong is not the
  question. I have to do business with these people Monday through
  Friday, every day of the year except national holidays.  So, I need
  a comfortable view of what they are providing, regardless of their
  adherence to STANDARDS.  g  My question at this point is how do I
  comfortably view their output, regardless of how oblivious to or
  complicitous with the Redmond monopoly they might be? Redmond be
  damned, I have to look at that site, every day, so I need a way to
  see that site completely and correctly, regardless of the
  shortsightedness of the webmaster.

 I was very surprised at what I saw there, as I usually find that
 Konqueror copes with pages that do not display correctly in Mozilla,
 not the other way round.

 The situation is , however, that if pages are not constructed to look
 well in both IE and non-M$ bowsers the only thing you can do is have
 a number of browsers available and try until you find one that works.
 Undesirable, but that is reality.  Pages will not display identically
 in different browsers, but should be reasonable in all.  If they are
 not they are badly written, and there is no answer to that.

 Anne

You will find many sites that do not look the same in a standards compliant 
browser as they do in Internet Explorer. You will also come across many sites 
who test what browser you are using and then present you with a page 
suggesting you upgrade to Internet Explorer.
We get these issues because Microsoft design the tools to build these pages 
and deliberately make them non IE hostile. It is a legacy of the browser 
wars.

To get around the problem you can either :-

Educate the webmasters - A slow and generally unsuccessful task. But with 
MicroSoft losing the battle for market share in the PDA and mobile telephone 
market it is something webmasters will have to face eventually.

Use a browser who tries to copy IE (and so be non compliant with standards) - 
Most free browsers support some of the proprietary aspects of IE, but none 
support them all.

Or - Run IE
Yes you can run IE under Linux. I keep it as my browser of last resort.
IE can run under Wine.
Wine is a reverse engineering of the API layer of Windows so Windows apps can 
run natively under Linux (Wine Is Not an Emulator == WINE, gettit?)

Wine is hard to set up for a newbie and not all Windows apps run correctly 
under it yet. To make life easier you can buy a commerial version of Wine 
called Crossover Office from www.codeweavers.com
It will run IE, MicroSoft Office, and a number of other apps under Linux.
It is easy to install, and the supported apps run well, but do not have high 
hopes for any non-supported app.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

Margot wrote:

yankl wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:15 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 05:37 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound, 
will you
please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what driver 
it is
using?  Thanks

Anne


I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the driver
Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with grip, not 
xmms.
Sorry not much help.


Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at 
least it
recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which is more than 
I get


from xmms. Still no sound though


You've told us your driver. What sound card does MCC say you have, 
and
how did you get it there?


It says my sound card is VIA Technologies VT8233.  I did not have 
to do
anything, it was autodetected on install. Have you perchance 
checked the
bios to see if the onboard sound is set to auto and not disabled? Just
fumbling in the dark with that, cause I do not recall if you said 
you had
made sure it was turned on. HTH


Nobody has mentioned bios yet...how do I check it, and how do I change
it if wrong?


It all depends on the computer you have.
Warning, it could be dangerous to play with your BIOS, if you do not 
know what specific parameter does do not change it.
All following is for DESKTOP ONLY, laptop is an other story.

Right after rebooting your PC press on of the following buttons.
Not always true.
F1- IBM; HP
F10 - DELL
ESC - Old Gateway
F2 - PakardBell
Look for a message that say Press some button to access setup
You will get insight BIOS settings. BIOS stands for - basic input 
output system. It's looks like nc or mc. Usually, but not all ways, 
arrows will move you through the system. Usually, but not always, on 
board sound is turned off/on in advance menu under pci devices. It is 
a good idea to reference documentation of your motherboard. 


Thanks. I had to use Del to access the setup (tried all your options 
first, then started working my way through the keyboard until 
something worked!). Have now enabled OnBoard AC97 Audio.

Have checked MCC - now showing two soundcards! The original 
non-existent one, plus VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller using driver 
snd-via8233.

How do I remove the non-existent one from the list and how do I get 
the CD player etc to recognise the real one?


Now we know what chip you have that makes it easier.

I have via8233 sound onboard chip and in /etc/modules.conf it installs 
these lines

above snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx
just # out any other references to any other sound chip and try the above.

Think you may need to reboot.

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Re: [newbie] ATA drives in A7N8X deluxe with mdk 9.1

2003-09-28 Per discussione Graham Banks

L.V.Gandhi wrote:
I have provisions for 2 SATA drives. Even BIOS checks for that while POST. But 
mdk 9.1 while booting checks for hde and hdf for quit considerable time. with 
fb mode it looks as if it hangs. This happens now after reinstallation of 
mdk9.1 yesterday. Before that it didn't happen like that. I would like to 
avoid that. Any solution is appreciated.
I have the same motherboard and as I don't have any SATA drrives I was 
able to get
around the consderable boot time by changing the jumper pin on the 
motherboard to
disable the SATA controller. Boot up time has been reduced significantly.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 3:11 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

I click in the file Icon, and ,
KGhostView displays the file just fine to read, but when I come to
print it off,
Printing document ,
filtering print data,
Warning: file format  is not directly supported.
Do you want KDE to covert this file
then,

No appropriate filter found for this file format.

then,
Do you want to print the file using original format ?
I tell it to Print,

then,
error, no valid file was found for printing.
So how do I print .pdf files in Mandrake 9.1

John
   

Install Acrobat.  It's on the disks, and it gives you very good 
control of printing, including scaled printing.

Anne
 

 

Nothing by the name *acrobat*  or *Acrobat* on any of the M9.1,  3 
download CD's

Suppose I will have to go out on the net, anyone know where I can 
download a straight rpm  for mandrake ?

John

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[newbie] sound problems after upgrade

2003-09-28 Per discussione mooney

Sound working in 9.1, installed 9.2 but no sound, I am informed it is
being used by another app. ps -A appears to show no other application
using the card.

On-board card SiS7012 (not the greatest, I know) using snd-intel8x0 -
this is installed and running.

Any suggestions, please?

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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

Michael Scottaline wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:11:53 +
John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:
 

How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

   

snippage
 

So how do I print .pdf files in Mandrake 9.1
   

Try using xpdf.  It will convert the .pdf to a.ps file and then print from gs.
I'm sure there are many other ways that might work with even fewer steps, but
I like my results with this method.
Mike
 

http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=xpdfsubmit=Search+...

has two types of xpdf,
xpdf  from  RawHide  sources
xpdf  from  PLD Linux Distribution
Mandrake is quite far down the list , suggesting not very current, but 
does that matter.
Also out of interest what are RawHide and PLD Linux ?

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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 4:07 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 3:11 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files
 
 
 I click in the file Icon, and ,
 KGhostView displays the file just fine to read, but when I come
  to print it off,
 
 Printing document ,
 filtering print data,
 
 Warning: file format  is not directly supported.
 Do you want KDE to covert this file
 
 then,
 
 No appropriate filter found for this file format.
 
 then,
 Do you want to print the file using original format ?
 
 I tell it to Print,
 
 then,
 error, no valid file was found for printing.
 
 
 So how do I print .pdf files in Mandrake 9.1
 
 John
 
 Install Acrobat.  It's on the disks, and it gives you very good
 control of printing, including scaled printing.
 
 Anne

 Nothing by the name *acrobat*  or *Acrobat* on any of the M9.1,  3
 download CD's

 Suppose I will have to go out on the net, anyone know where I can
 download a straight rpm  for mandrake ?

 John

I have the PowerPack, so it might be on ConTrib or Commercial.  I'll 
bet you can get it from Adobe's Acrobat site, though.

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Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise

2003-09-28 Per discussione Aron Smith

On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 22:33, Lance Cummings wrote:
 On Sunday 28 September 2003 01:17, Derek wrote:
  On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 6:42 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
   On Saturday 27 September 2003 14:02, yankl wrote:
On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
 Things seem not muted according to the mixer, but still no sound.  
 Jean-Luc Ponty and Stephane Grappelli refuse to perform.  ^_^  This 
 is a letdown of major proportion.  I am opening a bottle of Chablis 
 to properly mourn.
 
 Lance
Possibly cause Mark O'conner didn't how up ;-(
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Exploits (Was: keep password broken?)

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September 28, 2003 06:48 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:37, robin wrote:
  Indeedy-doody.  Just about anything you can do by logging in as root,
  you can do by typing su in a terminal.  It doesn't limit you to
  command-line stuff; for example, once you've become root via su, you
  can type, say, konqueror and get konqueror as though you were runing
  it as root.
 
  Sir Robin

 Ahem - are we forgetting sudo ??

 stephen kuhn - owner

Not usually but explaining it would probably have defeated the strong 
warning tone of the original post. 

I should have stayed out of this thread; there are gurus here that can 
explain any of these things better than I. With attendant credibility. 

Like you. ^_^

I'm just a noob. :-)

CU;
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Re: [newbie] OT: Looking for a walpaper called night

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September 28, 2003 09:19 am, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:54:36 -0600

 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Copy'n'paste sucks sometimes. That last reply was worthless, I hope
  this one's better. :-) Sorry for the length.
 
  http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php?page=1search=1type=0name=ni
 ghtuser=text=sort=0perpage=15scorefilter=0

 A link form this one I was able to find it, thanks Charlie.

 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

You're welcome Dan. Sorry I had to have two cracks at it to get you the help 
you were after. (-:

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Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?

2003-09-28 Per discussione [EMAIL PROTECTED]

dlwiggers wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:08 +
Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

What does the GPL say about the following?

Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available
for Club Members and all people who have contributed to the new
version(including developers and translators), prior to retail
packs and public download release.
Is this in conformance with the GPL? Does the GPL favor any
select group or does it prohibit discrimination and
restrictions?
The GPL does not force anyone to distribute anything. I can write
a GPL program today and leave it on a floppy disk, undistributed,
or give it only to my grandma. Your next door neighbour cannot
come round and demand that you give him a copy of a GPL program
that you happen to have. The GPL only specifies what must happen
if and when you distribute. So my grandma could demand the source
code, and could post it on her website for the world to download.
If you know someone in the Mandrake Club who has downloaded 9.2,
then you can ask them for a copy, and if they're nice they can
burn you one. Mandrake can't stop them doing that. I hope your
friend suggests that you join the club instead, though.
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I'm assuming the original question was rhetorical?  If not, I'm
impressed.
Lee
My question was not rhetorical at all. Although wrongdoing was 
improbable I found it necessary to ask the question. From the answers 
that followed I found that my understanding of the issues was not complete.

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Re: [newbie] Nigerian Scam on newbie

2003-09-28 Per discussione Kaj Haulrich

On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:40 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 Hi all, I just got the Nigerian e-mail scam addressed to the
 newbie list, so I presume everyone else also recieved it. It
 filtered to my spam collector but I wonder if there is a way
 for Mandrake to filter these? Can they use Spamassassin on
 their mail server?
 Time to be vewy vewy qwiet and go hunting spammers.

Dennis, I just pressed bounce immediately. Sometimes that 
doesn't work and shortly thereafter I'll get a message 
undeliverable reply from my smtp server. But this time I 
haven't got it, so I presume the spammer got the message loud 
and clear : newbie-list is non-existent. 

Well, let's see.

Kaj Haulrich.
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Re: [newbie] Exploits (Was: keep password broken?)

2003-09-28 Per discussione Derek Jennings

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:20 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
SNIP

  6/ Do your Mandrake Security updates regularly, either by the GUI,
  or from an automated cron job
  The command
  urpmi.update updates  urpmi --update --auto-select
  will do the updates for you.
  (That assumes you have defined a urpmi update source called
  updates)

 Oh-oh.  Unknown thing.  Danger, Will Robinson!  (I have defined no
 such thing, and would be unlikely to do so until I figure out how to
 do it.)  lol


At the end of the install process you were asked if you want to install 
updates. If you said Yes an update source will have been picked. If 'No' then 
you need to define a source.
Best way to do that is go here and follow the instructions
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php

You can then use the MenuConfigurationPackagingMandrake Update GUI to do 
your updates for youi. The GUI allows you to browse the available updates, 
read why they were issued, and to refuse them if you wish.
There are a *lot* of updates for 9.1 There are already a few updates for 9.2
(The online tool does not yet allow you to select a 9.2 update source, but if 
you select a 9.1 source and then edit the line to say 9.2, then it will work)


Generally as soon as a security flaw is found in a package in the main distro, 
there will be an update out for it within 24 hours.
If you are a MandrakeClub member you get emailed to remind you to upgrade.


  Note:Now you are running Mdk 9.2RC2 you **must** delete your
  current 9.1 urpmi sources and add 9.2 sources.

 Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh.  A **must** that I have no idea how to
 accomplish.  I am in deep kimchi now, I suspect.

The reason for the **must** is that different Linux releases are built using 
different versions of the core libraries. If you mix software sources from 
different releases you will confuse the system as to what libraries to 
install. You will either end up installing 100's of MB of software, or else 
totally fsck up your system. We get newbies all the time who install Cooker 
apps in 9.1 systems and then run into problems. So the bottom line is.
If you run 9.1 only have software sources defined for 9.1. If you run 9.2, 
then only have sources defined for 9.2
The link above tells you how to add sources. To delete a source use the 
software source GUI in Mandrake Control Centre.


 Thanks Derek,

 Lance

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Re: [newbie] Nigerian Scam on newbie

2003-09-28 Per discussione Dennis Myers

On Sunday 28 September 2003 02:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:40 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
  Hi all, I just got the Nigerian e-mail scam addressed to the
  newbie list, so I presume everyone else also recieved it. It
  filtered to my spam collector but I wonder if there is a way
  for Mandrake to filter these? Can they use Spamassassin on
  their mail server?
  Time to be vewy vewy qwiet and go hunting spammers.

 Dennis, I just pressed bounce immediately. Sometimes that
 doesn't work and shortly thereafter I'll get a message
 undeliverable reply from my smtp server. But this time I
 haven't got it, so I presume the spammer got the message loud
 and clear : newbie-list is non-existent.

 Well, let's see.

 Kaj Haulrich.
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[newbie] Nvidia Tweak Utility

2003-09-28 Per discussione Richard Hackwith

I remember seeing something once about a utility program for adjusting
nvidia cards, but can't remember the name.  Can anyone remember, and
know where to find it?



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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

The printoff was fair quality,not best, even though I chose my best
driver, still it works.
I am guessing that xpdf then is a pdf to postscript conversion
programme,
as well as a pdf viewer, and that the converted file format is then
sent to the printer
and ghostscript converts it to PCL3 for my dos printer. Is that
correct ?
   

Have you tried pdf2ps ?

Anne
 

 

Well, I've got a /usr/bin/pdf2ps ,
but it's not a graphical app, least I don't think so,
Guess someone will have to coach me on how to use it on the CL ?
John

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 11:37 pm, Margot wrote:

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound, will
you please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what
driver it is using?  Thanks
Anne
I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the
driver Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with
grip, not xmms. Sorry not much help.
Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at least
it recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which is more
than I get from xmms. Still no sound though
In xmms, on the left-hand, barely visible menu panel, right-click on 
the + at the top.  Select Play Location, and type in /mnt/cdrom or 
whatever yours is called.  Let us know whether that worked.

Anne

Partial success: it wouldn't take /mnt/cdrom but I had a look at a 
helpful page the Derek Jennings suggested on another thread which 
suggested that it might be under /dev. That worked, so now xmms gives me 
a track listing, and appears to play the CD, but still no sound.

Aumix and Kmix are both unmuted, but still no sound - someone suggested 
I might need to adjust alsamixergui too, but it isn't working - see 
attached.

Margot
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[newbie] Repartitioning

2003-09-28 Per discussione Michael Lothian

Hi is ther ean easy was to repartition your linux hard drive?

I used to have a windows partition, which I've now deleted. I'd like to 
use this free space thogh for my / and /home partitions

How would I go about doing this?

Thanks

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Re: [newbie] ATI 8500DV AIW video drivers

2003-09-28 Per discussione Kelly McCormick




Sorry, can't help you myself - I use Matrox.  However, the bits about 
the ATi 8500 were written [EMAIL PROTECTED](nospam).ca and  
[EMAIL PROTECTED](nospam).com  You may wish to contact them personally 
and ask your question.  If you do, please let us know what happens.  
The more info we can collect the more it helps someone else.

Anne

My mistake, saw your name at the bottom of the twiki page and assumed 
you had written it.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

John Richard Smith wrote:

Thanks. I had to use Del to access the setup (tried all your options 
first, then started working my way through the keyboard until 
something worked!). Have now enabled OnBoard AC97 Audio.

Have checked MCC - now showing two soundcards! The original 
non-existent one, plus VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller using driver 
snd-via8233.

How do I remove the non-existent one from the list and how do I get 
the CD player etc to recognise the real one?


Now we know what chip you have that makes it easier.

I have via8233 sound onboard chip and in /etc/modules.conf it installs 
these lines

above snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx
just # out any other references to any other sound chip and try the above.

Think you may need to reboot.

John

Partial success: Have changed the lines you suggested, and rebooted. MCC 
now still shows two sound cards listed - the VT8233 that I actually 
have, plus the non-existent SB Live! - but now shows them both using the 
same driver!

Still no sound thoughmaybe having a non-existent SB Live on the list 
is confusing things somehow. How do I get rid of it? Surely there must 
be some way to delete it from the list...

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Re: [newbie] Nvidia Tweak Utility

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 know where to find it?

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[newbie] T40 powerdown

2003-09-28 Per discussione Paul Kaplan

Running Linux Mandrake stock enterprise-kernel.  When the machine goes through 
power down sequence, the last two messages I see are:

Halting System...
Power down

Then the machine hangs.

When running the standard kernel, the machine then proceeds to shut off.

Anyone know what's happening and how to fix?

Thanks,
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Re[2]: [newbie] Nigerian Scam on newbie

2003-09-28 Per discussione rikona

Hello Kaj,

Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:37:08 PM, you wrote:

KH On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:40 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 Hi all, I just got the Nigerian e-mail scam addressed to the
 newbie list, so I presume everyone else also recieved it. It
 filtered to my spam collector but I wonder if there is a way
 for Mandrake to filter these? Can they use Spamassassin on
 their mail server?
 Time to be vewy vewy qwiet and go hunting spammers.

KH Dennis, I just pressed bounce immediately.

Is that a good idea? It would seem that it just verifies the address
as active, assuming this was just a scan for addresses.

KH I presume the spammer got the message loud  and clear :
KH newbie-list is non-existent.

My Nigerian e-mail scam was addressed direct to me, not to
newbie-list. It would seem that this list has been harvested, and we
can look forward to more spam. :-((

From the email: I got your contact from the Nigerian Chambers of
Commerce. Well, now, it seems we have spam from the Chamber of
Commerce. What's next? :-)

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[newbie] When will 9.1 dry up?

2003-09-28 Per discussione rikona

Hello newbie,

I got 9.0 in a box when 9.1 was just coming out. After a period of
learning, I tried to get some additional programs for 9.0, but found
almost all were for 9.1, and some did NOT work with 9.0. It was as
though the 9.0 code had dried up and blown away.

I'm running 9.1 now. How long will it be before the same thing happens
and 9.1 code becomes hard to find?

I've been getting others interested in Mandrake. Many are fed up with
the Win problems and want a change. They are VERY newbie-ish though -
some even have trouble running Win. Should I give them 9.1 (more
stable?) or 9.2?

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Re: [newbie] T40 powerdown

2003-09-28 Per discussione Noah A Hicks

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Paul Kaplan wrote:

 Running Linux Mandrake stock enterprise-kernel.  When the machine goes through
 power down sequence, the last two messages I see are:

 Halting System...
 Power down

 Then the machine hangs.

 When running the standard kernel, the machine then proceeds to shut off.

 Anyone know what's happening and how to fix?

 Thanks,
 Paul


Paul
The best I can tell you is that your problem is fairly common.  I had it
with 9.0 and 9.1 but not with 9.2 beta 2.  Have you tried running init 0
as root?  This had a better success rate for me.
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Re: [newbie] Radio Control Sims

2003-09-28 Per discussione Noah A Hicks

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Aron Smith wrote:

 On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 03:13, Richard Urwin wrote:
  On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 2:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
   Anybody know of a linux port of a R/C trainer system ? There are several
   on the market but they all use Win$ux %-0
   Crashing this Helicopter is getting expensive.
 
  There's a Playstation game called R/C Copter, or something similar. I found it
  too hard, so it might be a good sim :-) It seemed realistic, but then I've
  never flown a real one.
 Most of the games are too easy Choppers are nasty mean twitchy b***hes .
 I am looking for one where I can use the Transmitter in Buddy Box mode
 plugged into the game port.



I've never heard of one but I would sure like to.  FMS under windows is
my favorite (price-$0.00!).  Perhaps it can be run under wine.
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Re: [newbie] Nigerian Scam on newbie

2003-09-28 Per discussione Michael Adams

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:45:26 -0500
Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sunday 28 September 2003 02:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
  On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:40 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
   Hi all, I just got the Nigerian e-mail scam addressed to the
   newbie list, so I presume everyone else also recieved it. It
   filtered to my spam collector but I wonder if there is a way
   for Mandrake to filter these? Can they use Spamassassin on
   their mail server?
   Time to be vewy vewy qwiet and go hunting spammers.
 
  Dennis, I just pressed bounce immediately. Sometimes that
  doesn't work and shortly thereafter I'll get a message
  undeliverable reply from my smtp server. But this time I
  haven't got it, so I presume the spammer got the message loud
  and clear : newbie-list is non-existent.
 
  Well, let's see.
 
  Kaj Haulrich.
 I didn't think of that, I will do so from now on, Thanks, 

LOL, Wouldn't that make thier heads spin. 50 bounces from one address.

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Re: [newbie] When will 9.1 dry up?

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September 28, 2003 01:12 pm, rikona wrote:
 Hello newbie,

 I got 9.0 in a box when 9.1 was just coming out. After a period of
 learning, I tried to get some additional programs for 9.0, but found
 almost all were for 9.1, and some did NOT work with 9.0. It was as
 though the 9.0 code had dried up and blown away.

What code? What programs?

 I'm running 9.1 now. How long will it be before the same thing happens
 and 9.1 code becomes hard to find?

What code? What programs?

 I've been getting others interested in Mandrake. Many are fed up with
 the Win problems and want a change. They are VERY newbie-ish though -
 some even have trouble running Win. Should I give them 9.1 (more
 stable?) or 9.2?

Hello Rikona;

The best way to get new programs for 9.0 would have been through the mirror 
trees for that release. That would of course depend upon what applications 
you sought though. Many people aren't even aware that the contrib trees 
exist and that all of those applications are available for install through 
the MCC or urpmi as soon as the source repository has been added. So saying 
the code dried up and blew away is slightly misleading. Stuff is still 
available, you just have to know where to look.

I congratulate you on actually getting the box for 9.0, and urge you to 
start those 'others' the same way if possible. Explain to them that there 
_is_ a free version for download but that there really is added value to box 
sets and Club membership. Starting anyone off as of now with 9.1 wouldn't be 
a bad idea, but in my opinion starting them off with 9.2 would be better for 
them, better for you, and definitely better for MandrakeSoft. My logic is 
based on the fact that the only way to get 9.2 immediately would be to join 
the club or go to the Mandrake Store and buy a copy. Or to install cooker, 
but that isn't quite 9.2 and may cause a bad first impression. I'm sure that 
your focus is to present them with a happy experience and not have them 
snarling at you over a perceived broken operating system, am I correct?

The word immediately above is quoted because I don't know for certain whether 
the mirrors accessible to members have the ISOs yet or not for the simple 
reason that I can't be bothered to look. I keep this machine mostly (or 
totally) cooked.

Having said all of that; if you install a copy of the Mandrake release that 
you bought for those others, or help them to do so so that you are starting 
from something you are at least moderately familiar with, you'll both (and 
severally) be much happier. I'm sure you've learned from being on the list 
how to deal with most of the possible gotchas.

A more direct answer to the How long? question is simply that official 
support for releases is 18 months. I think. (-:

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Re: [newbie] Radio Control Sims

2003-09-28 Per discussione Aron Smith

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 12:34, Noah A Hicks wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Aron Smith wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 03:13, Richard Urwin wrote:
   On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 2:13 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
Anybody know of a linux port of a R/C trainer system ? There are several
on the market but they all use Win$ux %-0
Crashing this Helicopter is getting expensive.
  
   There's a Playstation game called R/C Copter, or something similar. I found it
   too hard, so it might be a good sim :-) It seemed realistic, but then I've
   never flown a real one.
  Most of the games are too easy Choppers are nasty mean twitchy b***hes .
  I am looking for one where I can use the Transmitter in Buddy Box mode
  plugged into the game port.
 
 
 
 I've never heard of one but I would sure like to.  FMS under windows is
 my favorite (price-$0.00!).  Perhaps it can be run under wine.
 -Noah
Cockpit Master is a cheap one AreoFly pro and RealFlight Gen 2
prices range from 39.00 to 199.00 ...fine so far but. They are ALL
windoze based.
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Exploits (Was: keep password broken?)

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:53 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:20 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
 SNIP

   6/ Do your Mandrake Security updates regularly, either by the
   GUI, or from an automated cron job
   The command
   urpmi.update updates  urpmi --update --auto-select
   will do the updates for you.
   (That assumes you have defined a urpmi update source called
   updates)
 
  Oh-oh.  Unknown thing.  Danger, Will Robinson!  (I have defined
  no such thing, and would be unlikely to do so until I figure out
  how to do it.)  lol

 At the end of the install process you were asked if you want to
 install updates. If you said Yes an update source will have been
 picked. If 'No' then you need to define a source.
 Best way to do that is go here and follow the instructions
 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php

 You can then use the MenuConfigurationPackagingMandrake Update
 GUI to do your updates for youi. The GUI allows you to browse the
 available updates, read why they were issued, and to refuse them if
 you wish. There are a *lot* of updates for 9.1 There are already a
 few updates for 9.2 (The online tool does not yet allow you to
 select a 9.2 update source, but if you select a 9.1 source and then
 edit the line to say 9.2, then it will work)


 Generally as soon as a security flaw is found in a package in the
 main distro, there will be an update out for it within 24 hours.
 If you are a MandrakeClub member you get emailed to remind you to
 upgrade.

No - you have to sign up for the alerts.

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Re: [newbie] ATI 8500DV AIW video drivers

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 7:47 pm, Kelly McCormick wrote:
  Sorry, can't help you myself - I use Matrox.  However, the bits
  about the ATi 8500 were written [EMAIL PROTECTED](nospam).ca and
  [EMAIL PROTECTED](nospam).com  You may wish to contact them
  personally and ask your question.  If you do, please let us know
  what happens. The more info we can collect the more it helps
  someone else.
 
  Anne

 My mistake, saw your name at the bottom of the twiki page and
 assumed you had written it.

 Dax

Unfortunately the old system meant that sometimes names got separated 
from original items.  I wrote the first entry, and perhaps the name 
never got erased, but it didn't stay with the entry.  That's why now 
we are recommending people to simply  put their WikiName beside the 
entry, rather than at the foot of the page, which was the original 
recommendation.

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Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 7:38 pm, Margot wrote:
 Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 11:37 pm, Margot wrote:
 Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Margot is having a problem.  If you use AC97 on-board sound,
  will you please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and
  what driver it is using?  Thanks
 
 Anne
 
 I have AC97 on-board running and it uses  snd-via82xx as the
 driver Mine does not work either except I can play the CD with
 grip, not xmms. Sorry not much help.
 
 Might be a route worth following - had a look at grip, and at
  least it recognises the CD and gives me a track listing, which
  is more than I get from xmms. Still no sound though
 
  In xmms, on the left-hand, barely visible menu panel, right-click
  on the + at the top.  Select Play Location, and type in
  /mnt/cdrom or whatever yours is called.  Let us know whether that
  worked.
 
  Anne

 Partial success: it wouldn't take /mnt/cdrom but I had a look at a
 helpful page the Derek Jennings suggested on another thread which
 suggested that it might be under /dev. That worked, so now xmms
 gives me a track listing, and appears to play the CD, but still no
 sound.

 Aumix and Kmix are both unmuted, but still no sound - someone
 suggested I might need to adjust alsamixergui too, but it isn't
 working - see attached.

 Margot

If you haven't already done so, check out the Install Software list 
and install anything that starts with alsa---

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Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 dlwiggers wrote:
  On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:08 +
 
  Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 What does the GPL say about the following?
 
 Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available
 for Club Members and all people who have contributed to the new
 version(including developers and translators), prior to retail
 packs and public download release.
 
 Is this in conformance with the GPL? Does the GPL favor any
 select group or does it prohibit discrimination and
 restrictions?
 
 The GPL does not force anyone to distribute anything. I can write
 a GPL program today and leave it on a floppy disk, undistributed,
 or give it only to my grandma. Your next door neighbour cannot
 come round and demand that you give him a copy of a GPL program
 that you happen to have. The GPL only specifies what must happen
 if and when you distribute. So my grandma could demand the source
 code, and could post it on her website for the world to download.
 
 If you know someone in the Mandrake Club who has downloaded 9.2,
 then you can ask them for a copy, and if they're nice they can
 burn you one. Mandrake can't stop them doing that. I hope your
 friend suggests that you join the club instead, though.
 
 --
 Richard Urwin
 
  I'm assuming the original question was rhetorical?  If not, I'm
  impressed.
 
  Lee

 My question was not rhetorical at all. Although wrongdoing was
 improbable I found it necessary to ask the question. From the
 answers that followed I found that my understanding of the issues
 was not complete.

 Thanx,

 Ayoub890

Fair enough

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Re[2]: [newbie] When will 9.1 dry up?

2003-09-28 Per discussione rikona

Hello Charlie,

Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:39:36 PM, you wrote:

 I got 9.0 in a box when 9.1 was just coming out. After a period of
 learning, I tried to get some additional programs for 9.0, but
 found almost all were for 9.1, and some did NOT work with 9.0. It
 was as though the 9.0 code had dried up and blown away.

CM What code? What programs?

Don't remember all of them now, but included Office, Opera, Sylpheed,
Pan, Octave, Gnucash, and many others.

 I'm running 9.1 now. How long will it be before the same thing happens
 and 9.1 code becomes hard to find?

CM What code? What programs?

Not sure what new ones I'll want, but when I tried to find some of the
above for 9.0, it was essentially impossible to find. I wrote to the
list, and others were not able to find them either. Turned out there
were 9.1 versions readily available, but not 9.0. Easiest solution was
to reinstall 9.1 so I COULD get the programs.

CM So saying the code dried up and blew away is slightly misleading.
CM Stuff is still  available, you just have to know where to look.

At the time, I asked this list, and after many attempts, some 9.0 code
could not be found. There were suggestions for compiling from source,
but that brought with it some interesting problems too. :-)

CM I congratulate you on actually getting the box for 9.0, and urge you to 
CM start those 'others' the same way if possible.

Boxes are too hard to find, especially for the latest release. When I
bought 9.0, 9.1 was already being released. Not good.

CM Explain to them that there  _is_ a free version for download but
CM that there really is added value to box  sets and Club membership.

Some are on dial-up, and I'd have to give them discs. I usually
suggest that they join the club to get the goodies there.

CM but that isn't quite 9.2 and may cause a bad first impression. I'm
CM sure that your focus is to present them with a happy experience
CM and not have them  snarling at you over a perceived broken
CM operating system, am I correct?

Absolutely, utterly crucial! If these M$ users are to like Mandrake
and make the switch, it MUST work better than Win did - BUT they are
familiar with win and know how to use it. It has to be EASY as well.
Most of these people know very little about computers - they are just
a tool.

The MOST stable, easy-to-use code is what is needed!

CM A more direct answer to the How long? question is simply that
CM official support for releases is 18 months. I think. (-:

Support might be 18 months, in terms of supplying updates, etc, but
the apps code dried up MUCH before that in the 9.0-9.1 transition. The
club had essentially all 9.1 code shortly after 9.1 was released.

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Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?

ed tharp wrote:

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 06:48, dlwiggers wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:08 +
Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

What does the GPL say about the following?

Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available
for Club Members and all people who have contributed to the new
version(including developers and translators), prior to retail
packs and public download release.
Is this in conformance with the GPL?

Yes, without a doubt.

Does the GPL favor any

select group or does it prohibit discrimination and
restrictions?

IANL
the GPL neither favors, nor discriminates against any group, other than
the author and users.
As I understand the GPL, it does not ever make the requirement to
provide the finished product, just the source code. and even then, not
to the world at large for $free$ (as in free beer).

Exactly - I heard this from the very mouth of Richard Stallman (who
financed his move into becoming a Free Software developer by selling
tapes of emacs). Mandrake are perfectly entitled to release their
distribution only to paying contributors. However, the GPL allows
anyone who does pay for a copy to redistribute it. Release software
early to Mandrake Club members is a perfectly acceptable way to make use
of that time window, and helps them give back something to people who
support Mandrake financially.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] How do I get M9.1 to print .PDF files

On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 8:30 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 The printoff was fair quality,not best, even though I chose my
  best driver, still it works.
 
 I am guessing that xpdf then is a pdf to postscript conversion
 programme,
 as well as a pdf viewer, and that the converted file format is
  then sent to the printer
 and ghostscript converts it to PCL3 for my dos printer. Is that
 correct ?
 
 Have you tried pdf2ps ?
 
 Anne

 Well, I've got a /usr/bin/pdf2ps ,
 but it's not a graphical app, least I don't think so,
 Guess someone will have to coach me on how to use it on the CL ?

 John

IIRC, it's simply a matter of change to the correct directory, then
pdf2ps filname

Anne
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Re: [newbie] browsing, browsing, over the bounding main

Lance Cummings wrote:

Okay, before I go out and smell the dioxins, there is one item of 
urgent (for me, anyway) business:

Please look at the following URL in both Mozilla and Konqueror:

https://newtrading.etrade.ne.jp/ETGate

I know you probably can't read Japanese (most of you anyway).  It's 
okay.  g

You will probably notice a difference between Mozilla and Konqueror 
right away on this page:  The Mozilla implementation seems complete; 
some things are clearly missing in Konqueror.  However, the 
Konqueror page seems much more readable (what there is of it) -- 
fonts sharper, whatever (I set my fonts larger in Konqueror, which 
helps dramatically, but doesn't seem to help in Mozilla).

I don't see a big difference in the quality between Mozilla and 
Konqueror (check your font and anti-aliasing settings).  Konqueror is 
refusing to load some links to CGI scripts, and in fact won't connect to 
the host at all.

Sir Robin

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prepared it for you'; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct 
yourself. But I cannot say: 'Thank them because, look, how kind they are!'--since the next 
moment they may sting you.
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Re: [newbie] Nigerian Scam on newbie

rikona wrote:

Hello Kaj,

Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:37:08 PM, you wrote:

KH On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:40 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
 

Hi all, I just got the Nigerian e-mail scam addressed to the
newbie list, so I presume everyone else also recieved it. It
filtered to my spam collector but I wonder if there is a way
for Mandrake to filter these? Can they use Spamassassin on
their mail server?
Time to be vewy vewy qwiet and go hunting spammers.
 

KH Dennis, I just pressed bounce immediately.

Is that a good idea? It would seem that it just verifies the address
as active, assuming this was just a scan for addresses.
Depends on the bounce message. 

Sir Robin

--
I can say: 'Thank these bees for their honey as though they were kind people who have 
prepared it for you'; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct 
yourself. But I cannot say: 'Thank them because, look, how kind they are!'--since the next 
moment they may sting you.
- Wittgenstein
Robin Turner
IDMYO
Bilkent Univeritesi
Ankara 06533
Turkey
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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] When will 9.1 dry up?

2003-09-28 Per discussione ed tharp

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:24, rikona wrote:
 Hello Charlie,
 
 Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:39:36 PM, you wrote:
 
  I got 9.0 in a box when 9.1 was just coming out. After a period of
  learning, I tried to get some additional programs for 9.0, but
  found almost all were for 9.1, and some did NOT work with 9.0. It
  was as though the 9.0 code had dried up and blown away.
 
 CM What code? What programs?
 
 Don't remember all of them now, but included Office, Opera, Sylpheed,
 Pan, Octave, Gnucash, and many others.
 
  I'm running 9.1 now. How long will it be before the same thing happens
  and 9.1 code becomes hard to find?
 
 CM What code? What programs?
 
 Not sure what new ones I'll want, but when I tried to find some of the
 above for 9.0, it was essentially impossible to find. I wrote to the
 list, and others were not able to find them either. Turned out there
 were 9.1 versions readily available, but not 9.0. Easiest solution was
 to reinstall 9.1 so I COULD get the programs.
 
 CM So saying the code dried up and blew away is slightly misleading.
 CM Stuff is still  available, you just have to know where to look.
 
 At the time, I asked this list, and after many attempts, some 9.0 code
 could not be found. There were suggestions for compiling from source,
 but that brought with it some interesting problems too. :-)
 
 CM I congratulate you on actually getting the box for 9.0, and urge you to 
 CM start those 'others' the same way if possible.
 
 Boxes are too hard to find, especially for the latest release. When I
 bought 9.0, 9.1 was already being released. Not good.
 
 CM Explain to them that there  _is_ a free version for download but
 CM that there really is added value to box  sets and Club membership.
 
 Some are on dial-up, and I'd have to give them discs. I usually
 suggest that they join the club to get the goodies there.
 
 CM but that isn't quite 9.2 and may cause a bad first impression. I'm
 CM sure that your focus is to present them with a happy experience
 CM and not have them  snarling at you over a perceived broken
 CM operating system, am I correct?
 
 Absolutely, utterly crucial! If these M$ users are to like Mandrake
 and make the switch, it MUST work better than Win did - BUT they are
 familiar with win and know how to use it. It has to be EASY as well.
 Most of these people know very little about computers - they are just
 a tool.
 
 The MOST stable, easy-to-use code is what is needed!
 
 CM A more direct answer to the How long? question is simply that
 CM official support for releases is 18 months. I think. (-:
 
 Support might be 18 months, in terms of supplying updates, etc, but
 the apps code dried up MUCH before that in the 9.0-9.1 transition. The
 club had essentially all 9.1 code shortly after 9.1 was released.
not to sound like a butt head, but but had you updated sources, you
would have only th urpmi what ever, they are still out there, the
mirrors just change directory structure every now and then, and you can
not find the rpm anymore. can't be helped, as far as I understand the
shape of the planet. 

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Re: [newbie] When will 9.1 dry up?