Re: Subversion history

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

HI,

On 2011-06-18, at 18:08 , Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> +1
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 13:46
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Subversion history
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Greg Stein  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 19:00, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:
>>> But would ASF be able to distribute such binary releases (and the
>>> corresponding sources) that include non-Oracle LGPL bits?
>> 
>> Probably not, but in more recent years, we've been talking about how
>> to distribute non-ALv2 from ASF hardware. Essentially along the lines
>> of, "this is not ASF software; we are providing it here as a
>> convenience." We just don't want to mislead people to think they are
>> Apache releases or Apache-licensed.
>> 
>> Identifying the archival releases that need to be saved is important,
>> regardless. Maybe the TDF could distribute those, or maybe OSU/OSL or
>> one of our mirror providers. I've got to believe that a volunteer
>> provider would be willing to hold the archives.
>> 
> 
> One viable option would be to approach archive.org and ask them to host the
> legacy releases (naturally we'd need to help make it happen). In fact, it
> might also be smart to try to host a snapshot of the entire OO.o site there
> before there's a full transition from Oracle to Apache.  I've sent an
> enquiry to their info alias to get their views.
> 
> S.
> 

For what it's worth, as many have noted, I'm sure, OOo uses for distribution a 
host—a vast host—of volunteer mirrors. Many include legacy releases already. I 
suggest more generally we approach new problems with new solutions but keep in 
mind what's worked in the past in similar circumstances.

louis

Re: Seeking PPMC volunteers for shared project Twitter account

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Me: @luispo

I can cover large sections of snowy landmass, and I tweet in English.


On 2012-04-19, at 08:26 , Rob Weir wrote:

> I can support up to 10. Please send me your Twitter account name.
> Also follow the account here:  https://twitter.com/#!/apacheoo
> 
> I'll give you access to the account and send you instructions for how
> to use it.  (Group accounts work a little differently than normal
> Twitter accounts).
> 
> Ideally we'd have some geographical and language coverage.
> 
> -Rob

Re: rollApp Launches Free Beta “OpenOffice on iPad” Cloud-Service

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi
On 2012-04-20, at 13:54 , Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 20 April 2012 12:36, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> This was mentioned in the ODF Plugfest today, in Louis's presentation,
>> an interesting use of OpenOffice configured to run on the iPad:
>> 
>> http://blog.rollapp.com/2012/04/rollapp-launches-free-beta-openoffice.html
>> 
>> Rather than recompiling for a tablet, it looks like they are taking a
>> remoting approach with virtualized UI.  This allows them to run apps
>> like OpenOffice unmodified.
> 
> Great interim technology. If they are not already here I hope someone
> is reaching out to them and suggesting they might want to work on
> embedding UI hooks for their platform. I imagine many things are
> clunky when you don't have real mouse actions (no double click, chunky
> fingers etc. Such hooks would be useful in many other ways too.

I am indeed. They are fairly new to open source but clearly deeply interested 
in it and what can be done with it. 
> 
> I guess they are sure they will get it into the app store, but I would
> imagine some concerns about them providing an app store separate from
> Apples. No such problems for Android though - I want it.

:-)  

For me, there are numerous issues related to distributing open source apps in 
this fashion but none is insurmountable or particularly critical, just 
interesting. 

Cheers,
Louis
> 
> Ross
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: rollApp Launches Free Beta “OpenOffice on iPad” Cloud-Service

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-04-20, at 13:36 , Rob Weir wrote:

> This was mentioned in the ODF Plugfest today, in Louis's presentation,
> an interesting use of OpenOffice configured to run on the iPad:
> 
> http://blog.rollapp.com/2012/04/rollapp-launches-free-beta-openoffice.html
> 
> Rather than recompiling for a tablet, it looks like they are taking a
> remoting approach with virtualized UI.  This allows them to run apps
> like OpenOffice unmodified.
> 
> -Rob

Thanks, Rob, for mentioning this. The basic fact is that we need to have ODF on 
the mobile, iOS or Android or whatever, as there is no realistic alternative to 
the billions coming to computers over the next decade, if not sooner.

My presentation, which I'll send to the ODF site, argued that tablets and the 
like are requisite because they use less resources in comparison to desktops. 
As at present native apps able to edit ODF on the tablet are not too visible 
(to a degree they exist or will emerge into the light soon) and even when they 
do emerge might require, at least for the current period, more powerful and 
thus more costly and hotter machines, "Cloud" solutions (Web software services) 
coupled with thin clients (read: tablets) seems the best "interim" solution (as 
Ross states in another threaded email).  But this is also the way things are 
going, to the happiness, no doubt, of former Sunnies: network is the computer, 
eh? 

From an open source development perspective, there are logistical issues here 
but again none is particularly problematical, as long as those wanting to 
collaborate have a way of doing that and know they do.

-louis

Re: SPI

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Let me contact again the SPI and I'll cc this list.
Louis


On 2012-04-18, at 02:54 , Ross Gardler wrote:

> On the ASF side silence is approval, on the SPI side I'd have expected a
> response by now.
> 
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On Apr 18, 2012 3:41 AM, "Wolf Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Ross Gardler >> wrote:
>> 
>>> treasu...@spi-inc.org
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
>>> On Feb 22, 2012 4:33 AM, "Wolf Halton"  wrote:
>>> 
 That is a good point.  It will be included in the proposal.
 
 On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Ross Gardler
  wrote:
> Just one thought. I don't think the consensus is *just* travel
 assistance.
> There needs to be an event to travel to, that will cost money too. I
 figured
> the proposal would be for event + travel. there is a hope that
 Co-location
> will mean event costs will be very low, but this may not be possible.
> 
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012 8:08 PM, "Wolf Halton"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ross,
>> I made a proposal and let it rock for 10 days. We have a general
>> consensus on openoffice-dev that the monies should be going to
>> travel-assistance, so how do I proceed from here?
>> 
>> Wolf
 
 
>> I haven't heard anything about this issue since I sent off the proposal a
>> month ago.  Is this a reasonable time period of silence or is it time to
>> nudge somebody again?
>> 
>> Wolf
>> 
>> --
>> This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com
>> Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
>> 

OpenOffice funds

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi All,
First I'm cc'ing the public list ooo-dev@apache. Communication using that list 
is public. 

Second, and the point of this communication:

OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money management. 
With the transfer of the code to Apache and the development of a new community 
around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now called, there is no need for SPI's 
services.

These were good, and as the representative from OOo to SPI, I thank you for 
them. 

Biut with the Apache fund management system, not only do we not need SPI but 
having it as the manager of funds accrued prior to the transfer to Apache only 
complicates matters. We would like to to have those funds transferred via Wire 
to Apache. I can (or others who know more) supply the relevant bank information 
for that.

I, and others, would like to sort this out soon, as having funds that can be 
used to further develop the project split among groups, however friendly, is 
counterproductive.

Cheers,
Louis

rollApp launches free beta "OpenOffice on iPad" cloud-service - Press Release - Digital Journal

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Nice mention of Apache OO in this press release by and about rollApp.
In the recent ODF plugfest, I featured rollApp's deployment of
OpenOffice as an immediate solution to using an ODF editor on tablets
such as the iPad. There has been, as we all know, and as I have
repeatedly urged and tried to organize the development of, a call for
an ODF editor (read: OO on the tablet) for a long time…..

In the meanwhile, and this really does work….

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/670497


---
Louis Suárez-Potts, PhD
President, Age of Peers



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Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Thanks, Michael!
Best
Louis


On 2012-04-30, at 15:30 , Michael Schultheiss wrote:

> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> First I'm cc'ing the public list ooo-dev@apache. Communication using
>> that list is public. 
>> 
>> Second, and the point of this communication:
>> 
>> OpenOffice.org was using SPI for aspects of fund raising and money
>> management. With the transfer of the code to Apache and the
>> development of a new community around Apache OpenOffice, as it is now
>> called, there is no need for SPI's services.
>> 
>> These were good, and as the representative from OOo to SPI, I thank
>> you for them. 
>> 
>> Biut with the Apache fund management system, not only do we not need
>> SPI but having it as the manager of funds accrued prior to the
>> transfer to Apache only complicates matters. We would like to to have
>> those funds transferred via Wire to Apache. I can (or others who know
>> more) supply the relevant bank information for that.
> 
> I've sent a check for the current OO.org balance to the address listed
> at http://apache.org/foundation/contributing.html
> 
> I overlooked the desire to wire the money when I initially read this
> message.  Hopefully the different payment method won't be too much of a
> hassle.
> 
>> I, and others, would like to sort this out soon, as having funds that
>> can be used to further develop the project split among groups, however
>> friendly, is counterproductive.
> 
> The check should be received by 2012-05-04.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael Schultheiss
> E-mail: schul...@spi-inc.org

Re: Draft blog post: Avoiding OpenOffice Download Scams

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi
On 2012-04-30, at 15:17 , Marcus (OOo) wrote:

> Am 04/30/2012 08:57 PM, schrieb sebb:
>> On 30 April 2012 19:41, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 2:27 PM, sebb  wrote:
 On 30 April 2012 19:10, Rob Weir  wrote:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=draft_avoiding_openoffice_download_scams
> 
> I know Louis and others have dealt with these things for longer.
> Anything else I should mention?
> 
> I considered adding a discussion of the importance of MD5 hashes,
> etc., but that is not really the skill level of the end user who
> downloads OpenOffice.
> 
> I'm also cc'ing trademarks@ since it may be of interest to them and/or
> they might have feedback.
 
 A few suggestions:
 
 The first paragraph should be quoted and / or in italic.
 
 s/the open source license/its open source license/ - there are several
 instances of this.
 
>>> 
>>> Yes.
>>> 
 If the end-user is likely to find the concept of MD5 difficult, won't
 they also find it difficult to use the provided e-mail link?
 
>>> 
>>> It is a hyperlink so in most cases it will just launch their email.
>> 
>> Sorry, was not clear - I meant that they might have difficulty
>> de-mangling the anti-spam measure.
>> 
>> Maybe it would be better to direct them to a web-page that can give
>> more information on reporting such problems.
>> That page could be updated as necessary (e.g. when the e-mail address
>> changes on graduation).
> 
> The German community of the old OOo project has written something very 
> similar:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/de/abgezockt/
> 
> It's to inform users that OOo is free of change, they shouldn't pay anything 
> for it, where to download the original software, etc.
> 
> Of course it's currently only in German ;-( but maybe it makes sense to 
> translate it into English and to go on with using it.
> 

Actually the list associated with it worked fine, and I was also a recipient of 
it and after a while, an admin. Further, we also had other pages that served 
similar functions in English, though the German communities site was really the 
best. A simple email alias (or ideally wiki that is linked via Jscript or the 
like to a list) also works well. What we did in the months prior to transfer 
was collect urls of miscreants and then, when possible, proceed against them 
and defend the innocent. :-)

Cheers
Louis

> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
>> Or the page could use plain-text mail links to temporary mail aliases
>> that are rotated (would need to involve infra on that).
>> 
>> Having a separate reporting page would be much more flexible; just
>> make sure that its URL does not change (or a redirect is used).
>> 
 i.e. mailto:ooo-private-AT-incubator.apache-DOT-org
 
 Also, do such reports need to go to the private mailing list?
 
>>> 
>>> It is for the user's safety.  Otherwise I can be sure we'll get their
>>> home phone numbers and credit card numbers posted to the public list.
>>> Remember, we're talking about the very end users who have already been
>>> scammed once.  So we already know that they are not the most careful
>>> web users.
>> 
>> OK, understood.
>> 
>>> Of course, we don't need to collect their reports if we don't want to.
>>>  But they send them already.  This particular one was sent to our
>>> security list.
>>> 
>>> -Rob
> -Rob

Re: Getting Started with AOO book

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Jean, et al.

On 2012-05-01, at 06:23 , Jean Weber wrote:

> The lack of interest in this book is quite conspicuous, and very demotivating 
> for me to continue to work on it. I've put the updated draft chapters on the 
> ODFAuthors website and will put the compiled draft book there soon. Then I'll 
> go back to my travel photos and to the LibreOffice books. Someone can let me 
> know if/when anything happens at AOO userdocs. Cheers, Jean

One of the crucial elements for developing an ecosystem is to have available, 
free or not, texts that enable regular users to get started: reference manuals, 
guides, whatever.

During OOo's days, we had a page that pointed people to the Authors' works, and 
it was accessed. We also had other authors, outside of OOo, such as Solveig, 
who indirectly highlighted the work being done by the Authors and, more 
generally, by the Documentation Project, under Frank and Clayton and others.

My point: Let's redevelop the ecosystem. It needs several things, documentation 
is one of them, but also the assurance that there is a code, there, that can be 
used and supported and migrated to; and that will be developed and enhanced 
over time. 

Getting AOO 3.4 out will help immensely. Having immediately available 
documentation and guides will help, too and in ways that are absolutely 
requisite for the sustainability of the project.

What we can do: There remain some support/service organizations around the 
world focused on OO and not LO. Notifying them is a bit of pain, as their 
actual business is unclear to me. But I can think of at least two, and I'm 
quite sure there are more.

Building a list of these is important. We had done something like this, with 
OOo's consultants' list, but that was unusably large, perpetually out of date, 
and so on.

Having a list of actual providers seems better, but it also means instituting 
criteria for addition; that is not hard, especially if the Apache OO project is 
*not* involved as such, as I think it may deviate from the developmental and 
productive purpose we recognize, but I could be quite wrong here.


louis

Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 1 May 2012 17:08, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
>
> On 04/30/2012 12:41 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> The following tasks are on the wiki and need owners:
>>
>>
>> Manually update the downloads from the Arabic NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Czech NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the German NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Spanish NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the French NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Hungarian NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Galacian NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Italian NL homepage and
>> subpages (pescetti)
>> Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Dutch NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Brazilian NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Russian NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Simplified Chinese NL homepage
>> Manually update the downloads from the Traditional Chinese NL homepage
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks
>>
>> Only one of them has an owner (Thanks, Andrea!)
>>
>> What needs to be done?
>>
>> We need someone to review these NL pages and identify what needs to be
>> changed to support the AOO 3..4 release.
>>
>> Changes to consider:
>>
>> 1) Branding changes (OpenOffice.org -> Apache OpenOffice)
>>
>> 2) Updates to download location,  for the 3.4 releases instead of the
>> 3.3 release
>>
>> 3) References to the old LGPL license need to be changed to Apache 2.0 
>> License
>>
>> 4) References to old NLC email addresses, marketing leads, etc., need
>> to be replaced by the new Apache email lists.
>>
>> 5) Other similar changes.
>>
>> You don't need to do a complete rewrite of the pages.  But we should
>> "refresh" the page with information on the AOO 3.4 release.
>>
>> Timeline looks like this:
>>
>> -- Wednesday May 2nd -- Vote ends on approving the 3.4 release
>>
>> -- Thursday-Friday -- Update the mirrors with the release, test the
>> new download websites.
>>
>> -- Over the weekend, additional website updates and testing
>>
>> -- Monday or Tuesday, if everything is working well, then we make
>> public announcement
>
> I can't help with any of these but thank you VERY much for the
> timeline...hopefully good for many of us working away on back-end stuff.
>
>>
>>
>> So ideally we would have the NL website updates done at the end of
>> this week.   However, we should not make them be live on the
>> production server until after the mirrors are populated.  Maybe
>> easiest way to coordinate is to submit patches for the changes into
>> BZ?
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Any volunteers?
>>
>> -Rob

I can see what I can do. I speak or at least utterly destroy by trying
to speak, a few of these languages (all but the really cool ones;
those are Greek to me, and where is Greek?)

But I also think it would be useful to use a BZ issue?

Louis

Re: [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - Story tellers wanted

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Kevin,

On 1 May 2012 23:11, Kevin Grignon  wrote:
> Do you like to write and tell stories? Do you want to bring an Apple-like
> approach to designing our products? AOO UX could use your support.
>
> To better understand how people integrate our product into their lives, the
> UX sub-community is looking to author a series of stories and usage
> scenarios.
>
> The goal is to understand how people use AOO, and how they want it to
> compliment their physical and virtual realities.
>

I am curious and interested in learning how the new UX project relates
to Inclusive Design (aka accessibility) paradigms.

Thanks
Louis
> Thoughts? Interested?

Universal Network Objects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

I was cruising through the Wikipedia pages on OO technology and was
struck by the claim on the page below [0] that UNO is licensed under
the LGPL. I know it used to be, but now? Perhaps that page ought to be
updated, anyway, to reflect Apache OpenOffice's work. (It also raises
the interesting question: which organization is now primarily
responsible for maintaining UNO?)

cheers
Louis


[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Network_Objects

OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide - Apache OpenOffice.org Wiki

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Further reviewing….

This page [0]. the OpenOffice.org Developer's Guide, was last updated
in Aug. 2010. It's out of date, though the actual substantial
elements--how to develop OO code--are probably still relevant.

However, the page (and its brethren) raise the obvious questions.

1. Can we continue to use this page for AOO? And...

2…If this has been already raised, let's move on and just update the
page with new identifiers and links pointing to AOO?



[0] 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide

Re: Would there be any interest in starting a AOO Group on Launchpad

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Likewise, am interested: oulipo.

ciao
louis

On 2 May 2012 16:42, Wolf Halton  wrote:
> You are in.
> The group is https://launchpad.net/~apacheopenoffice
>
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/2012 11:41 AM, Wolf Halton wrote:
>>
>>> I was about to commit the AOO code to a PPA for myself, but as Drew
>>> mentioned, it might be a lot more fun if we started a little team to set
>>> up
>>> a repo for Ubuntu for the new RC.
>>>
>> sign me up...
>> I'm arist at launchpad.
>> Also, I'll be at UDS next week, and I can poke around and see what I can
>> learn and what help we can get.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>    Would you like to play?  I am good at
>>> thrashing things out (even reading the fine manual at times) but I have
>>> never set up a PPA before.  I have come as far as making a "test PPA" but
>>> I
>>> haven't added any files.
>>> Apparently Launchpad makes its own debs, so that is not necessary.
>>>
>>> -Wolf
>>>
>>> PS earlier messages below...
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, drew  wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:55 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote:

> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM, drew jensen com 
> wrote:
>
>  On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 12:40 -0400, Wolf Halton wrote:
>>
>>> I am attempting to install from a sourceforge download and I would
>>>
>> like

> to
>>
>>> have one of 2 things.
>>> 1. a repo to set in my sources.list for Ubuntu 12.04
>>>
>> There is none - but you are welcome to create a PPA for same if you
>> would like.
>>
>>  OK, I will.  :-)
>  I will post the link up here.
>
> Thnx
>
 Hi Wolf

 That would be excellent, IMO. That said just a reminder, I think this is
 a great idea, that doesn't mean everyone else does.

 BTW are you familiar with the steps required to open a PPA?

 Also, a PPA can be opened by an individual or a team, perhaps it would
 best to see if there is anyone else here that would be interested in
 working with you on this, IMO, having more then one person, from the
 main project, working on this would be a pretty good idea.

 Anyway - let us know how we can help you with this.

 //drew

 ps: My launchpad id is atjensen, in case you want to say hello there.





>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com
> Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Congratulations to all and thanks to Juergen, too. But the words are
not enough; what is, is use.

To that end, I've used the Mac version (and also Linux, though less
so) daily, and it has been great. I've also used it with Google Docs,
with Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac, with Calligra (KOffice) and
others. The application has not disappointed and also not crashed. (I
wish I could say the same for other application I find myself using.)

One other point. The release process for OOo was as efficient as it
could be but also painful to many. I don't think that I've heard
similar expressions of frustration and pain here.

That's *great*.

Cheers,
Louis
On 2 May 2012 01:46, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> The vote period for releasing Apache OpenOffice (incubator) RC1  has
> concluded.
>
> The ballot passed.
>
> VOTE TALLY
>
> +1:
>
> IPMC members:
>
> +1 Marvin Humphrey
> +1 Dave Fisher
> +1 Jim Jagielski
>
> For reference see also the vote thread on ooo-dev
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201204.mbox/%3C4F9A452A.9000707%40googlemail.com%3E
>
>
> Thank you for your support
>
> Juergen
>
>

Re: Apache branded presentation template?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
On 2012-05-03, at 11:09 , Shane Curcuru wrote:

> We do not have an "official" Apache or project-related presentation template 
> currently.  Folks looking for potential content to use or mimic may be 
> available on the ComDev project's Speaker Resource page:
> 
>  http://community.apache.org/speakers/index.html
> 
> If folks do develop a PPMC suggested template, we could definitely put it up 
> there as well.
> 
> - Shane
> 
> On 2012-05-03 11:05 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> do we already have an Apache branded presentation template that can we
>> share? I think about a nice template (not overloaded) with Apache
>> OpenOfifce and Apache branding elements that can be used to talk about
>> AOO at any kind of events.
>> 
>> Anybody interested in designing one?

I'm lousy at design, but I do think we *need* this, as I, for one, do give 
plenty of presentations around the world and from time to time would find it 
beneficial to use a PPMC approved template. (Normally, I speak on community 
strategy, and represent my consultancy, Age of Peers, so it's not an urgent 
issue for me--but…)

Louis
>> 
>> Juergen

Re: Introduce

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hello, Liu Tao!



On 2012-05-03, at 22:56 , taotao.liu wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I am LiuTao, glad to meet you in AOO here. 
> 
> I'm from China Standard Software Co.,Ltd. located in Beijing Haidian district.
> 
> Our team will come soon and join you. Hopefully we can do sth.

I'm delighted to see you and your colleague here on this list willing to 
contribute to Apache OpenOffice. I'm not sure everyone is familiar with your 
company's past work but if you would care to inform the list, I'd appreciate 
it.  

Please let me and the others here know how we can help you and get you and your 
team going. This community is very friendly, very supportive, and all that we 
do is transparent and accountable to the community, according to our bylaws. 

best,
Louis

PS this, like most other Apache lists, is public. Therefore I'd generally 
recommend against posting your telephone number and other data Spammers love.


> 
> regards,
> LiuTao 
> 
> 2012-05-04 
> 
> 
> 
> China Standard Software Co., Ltd. LiuTao
> China  Phone: (+86) 010-51659955-8106
> 
> http://www.cs2c.com.cn
> http://modularization.openoffice.org
> mailto:taotao@cs2c.com.cn

Re: hi

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hello Xu Shanchuan!

(BTW, would you be able to use a Roman alphabet name? Not all of us can 
decipher the ideograms.)


On 2012-05-03, at 23:35 , 许山川 wrote:

> hi,all
> I am working for the company,China Standard Software Co., Ltd now,   
> Untill now my work mainly covers the SD modules,including
> the doucument of ppt asynchronism loading and fixing bugs of impress
> I have several years of experiences in this domain ,and have a strong willing 
> to participate AOOo community.
> Best Regards,

I'm as delighted to greet you as I was your colleague :-) A lot has to be done, 
and I am sure we will appreciate your experience in this and your wisdom!  And 
I also see your company's great presence here as vital to growing the Beijing 
and even Chinese open source and OpenOffice community and market. 

Let me and the rest of us on this list know how we can help you and further 
ease your way into this very friendly, very global, very sleepless community :-)

Oh, as I mentioned to your colleague, you may want to refrain from including 
your Spam-friendly personal information. This list is public, and most Apache 
lists are that way, too.

Cheers,
Louis
>  
> 2012-05-04
> China Standard Software Co., Ltd. Shanchuan Xu
> hone: (+86) 010-51659955-8110

Re: hi

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all
I raised earlier off list the idea of (re-)forming a language group focused on 
ZH localization and operating to support Chinese speakers and those based in 
Beijing (or wherever it makes sense).  We did this in OOo, and it worked …not 
as well as any of us would have liked. But that was because a single company 
dominated--a less than desirable situation.

The idea, this time around, would be to have members of CS2C, IBM and other 
organizations (and I can think of a few) to have a place to coordinate, learn, 
communicate in Chinese while also working with the Apache OO lists in English. 
Localization would be essential. (ZH in China differs from that used in TW; 
that can be accommodated: this is a linguistic effort, mostly.)

I know that there are others, of course, who are doing this sort of 
localization effort. My interest lies in developing ecosystems and learning 
groups that can sustain the efforts.

Louis


On 2012-05-04, at 02:01 , Peter Junge wrote:

> Hi Xu Shanchuan,
> 
> I'm pleased to also meet you here.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 5/4/2012 11:35 AM, 许山川 wrote:
>> hi,all
>> I am working for the company,China Standard Software Co., Ltd now,
>> Untill now my work mainly covers the SD modules,including
>> the doucument of ppt asynchronism loading and fixing bugs of impress
>> I have several years of experiences in this domain ,and have a strong 
>> willing to participate AOOo community.
>> Best Regards,
>> 2012-05-04
>> 
>> China Standard Software Co., Ltd. Shanchuan Xu
>> hone: (+86) 010-51659955-8110
> 

Re: Request for pt-BR list (Was: Re: Mailing list pt-BR)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

On 2012-05-04, at 09:20 , Claudio Filho wrote:

> Hi
> 
> 2012/5/4 Albino Biasutti Neto :
>> In link[1] have information the list pt-br. I sending an test occur
>> problems, see:
>> The list no active ?
>> I went to subscribe (*-subscribe@) was also observed the same problem.
>> 1 - http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html
> 
> Albino, we haven't a pt-BR list. Wasn't made when i requested it in the past.
> 
> I think that today we can ask again if we can open a list for
> brazilian community.
> 
> +1 from me.

Historically, as Claudio and others in the BR community know, I've long 
endorsed language-specific lists and championed the BR project and effort. But 
I also really want to stress the importance of communication. As Claudio can 
also tell, the level of communication between BR and the International group 
(then, OOo), was imperfect, through no fault of… anyone.

I doubt that in the years since humans have grown wings; we still walk on earth 
and so are never as angelic as others might wish us to be. Still: What 
protocols will exist to ensure communication? (And this is true for any 
native-language sub-project or list.)

When I suggested the creation of the Regional Projects, I suggested that we use 
a wiki. Technology has leapt ahead and wikis, too. So, RSS linked to a wiki 
might be actually useful.

Ciao
Louis


> 
> Best,
> Claudio

Re: hi

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,


On 4 May 2012 09:52, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I raised earlier off list the idea of (re-)forming a language group focused 
>> on ZH localization and operating to support Chinese speakers and those based 
>> in Beijing (or wherever it makes sense).  We did this in OOo, and it worked 
>> …not as well as any of us would have liked. But that was because a single 
>> company dominated--a less than desirable situation.
>>
>
> Yes, other than covered by different license, not dominated by a
> single company is the major difference between AOO and OO.o.
>
>
>> The idea, this time around, would be to have members of CS2C, IBM and other 
>> organizations (and I can think of a few) to have a place to coordinate, 
>> learn, communicate in Chinese while also working with the Apache OO lists in 
>> English. Localization would be essential. (ZH in China differs from that 
>> used in TW; that can be accommodated: this is a linguistic effort, mostly.)
>
> It would be not necessary, if this is just for IBM and CS2C teams in
> Beijing. Cause it would be more effective for the two teams to have
> conference calls or meet in person.



I don't exactly disagree with you but I was unclear. I did not mean to
usurp the Apache Way or the merits of being a commiter nor the path by
which one becomes one. Rather, I wanted to avoid the problem facing
the establishment of regional and linguistic groups. That problem is
having one or even two companies dominate the effort. Sometimes that's
unavoidable. But if it can be the case that other companies and
organizations can be involved, then great. And if such involvement is
made more likely by having publicly accessible informational projects,
which are open to all comers and which *do not* usurp the Apache Way
but rather supplement it, then, as far as I can tell, that's good.
(Indeed, having conference calls between one company and another seems
to reinscribe the problem of having one company dominate, and it
further turns a linguistic effort into a very localized one that's
also exclusive.)

Again: Not to usurp, diminish, alter the way in which one becomes a
committer but to open the doors even wider and to engage regionally
and linguistically  all those who might wish to join.

Ciao
Louis

[PROPOSAL-NL LISTS]

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

When we managed the NL lists on OOo, I set up a policy page,
http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ . It described far more than I
wanted, as I prefer non bureaucratic simplicity and mechanisms that
nudge one into conversation, but it was also useful.

I suggest the same now.

A page on the wiki that simply lays out the sinequanons and what to do
to set up a NL list; and if that list has a regional component to it.

My interest here is to foster communication, to encourage promulgation
and hands-on learning, to get ecosystems and participatory communities
going, not to drag people down in the mud of anxious policy. (Not that
anyone is doing that here, I hasten to add.)

Cheers
Louis

Re: [PROPOSAL-NL LISTS]

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

On 4 May 2012 16:41, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>> When we managed the NL lists on OOo, I set up a policy page,
>> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ . It described far more than I
>> wanted, as I prefer non bureaucratic simplicity and mechanisms that
>> nudge one into conversation, but it was also useful.
>>
>> I suggest the same now.
>>
>
> Have you seen this page?
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html

Now I have.

>
> Maybe that could be enhanced?

Let's see. I can add my policy views and keep it real simple but I've
done this more than once before and would really prefer to see others'
take, too--besides that which is already there.

-louis

(I even named the "native-lang" before… sigh…. the more things change,
well, that's a bore.)
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> A page on the wiki that simply lays out the sinequanons and what to do
>> to set up a NL list; and if that list has a regional component to it.
>>
>> My interest here is to foster communication, to encourage promulgation
>> and hands-on learning, to get ecosystems and participatory communities
>> going, not to drag people down in the mud of anxious policy. (Not that
>> anyone is doing that here, I hasten to add.)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Louis

Re: [PROPOSAL-NL LISTS]

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Ariel,
Rob already pointed me to the wiki; thanks for more. See below.

On 4 May 2012 16:45, Ariel Constenla-Haile  wrote:
>> My interest here is to foster communication, to encourage promulgation
>> and hands-on learning, to get ecosystems and participatory communities
>> going, not to drag people down in the mud of anxious policy. (Not that
>> anyone is doing that here, I hasten to add.)
>
> I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Proposing the mailing list
> is rather simple, no rocket-science, nor "anxious policy": do the
> proposal (examples have already been pointed), open a JIRA issue (in
> this case, re-open it).


actually, I'm not proposing anything other than what you itemized. The
issue is rather to underscore that legacy policy is not applied here,
that this is a new effort. As I was one of the creators of the N-L
system, I'm always concerned that the past does not shadow the present
and future. That's all.
Cheers,
Louis

Re: Resignation from PPMC

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Jean Weber wrote:
> I hereby resign from the Apache OpenOffice PPMC. I intend no further
> involvement with this project and will unsubscribe from all project
> lists after posting this note.
>
> For me, contributing to a volunteer project must be enjoyable. I do
> not enjoy working with this group, because of the behaviour of some of
> the key people, primarily Rob Weir.
>
> I remain available in my role with Friends of OpenDocument to process
> funding proposals for AOO marketing or other purposes. I also remain
> available to help anyone who wishes to get started using the AOO
> section of the ODFAuthors website.
>
> Goodbye and good luck.
>
> Regards,
> Jean Hollis Weber

Hi Jean,
I'll post publicly my feelings at the loss your absence figures. You were 
eloquent in your reasons for leaving but I think that there is more. I don't 
wish for you or anyone to engage in battle. That's not fun, and we've had 
enough of that. But I do think that there is room to clarify the nature of the 
"leadership" on view and in practice at AOO. Put another way, the de facto 
leads are IBM and the flock are mostly simply accepting. This reinscribes the 
old set up, but with a huge difference: the arrangement for the project and the 
coding is much more open now. So, rather than leave in disgust (a cliché, I 
don't think you are disgusted, but the phrase describes the situation, I 
believe), arguably a better resolution would be to suggest staging a 
post-mortem. The occasion could simply be, "One Year," or the release of RC1 
and its imminent anointment as GM.

I can do this--I mean stage the post-mortem--but I suspect it would be more 
powerful coming from you.

best
Louis

Re: Pages in the social media

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Rob,


Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Claudio Filho  wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> 2012/5/6 Rob Weir :
>>> And same here.  An official project account should be linking back to
>>> the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org.
>> Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list,
>> naturally we will use it.
>>
>
> We have a page here: http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
>


 I understand that OpenOffice.org did things differently here.  In some
> sense they compensated for strong corporate control of the code by
> giving more autonomy to the NLC.  That was how they "achieved peace"
> with the community,  But we don't have that issue here.   At Apache
> everyone has equal freedom to work directly within the project.

Sun's Hamburg team lead and, initially, the US elements, considered the NL 
projects as at best walled gardens and at worst a waste of time. I had to 
proceed very cautiously with them, until such a point that momentum took over.

And it took over:-) The LO/TDF contingent that left was almost entirely the NLC 
population. Put another way, the NLC were not a palliative, or if it was 
thought by some to be such, was a rather lousy one. Rather, they were vehicles 
to seek a sustainable community independent of any one company.

The element that *was* mean to bring in people were the extensions, though 
these too were not palliative. But this too took a rather long time to realise 
and put into effect, and as some here can attest, it too was proceed with 
cautiously.

But I totally agree with your point that here, in Apache-land, things are 
fundamentally different and more open, as governance is accountable to Apache 
and is not directed by the business needs of any single company owning the 
code. The transition to this model is right now going rather well, all things 
considered. But what will make the deciding difference, I believe, is to build 
the ecosystem anew.

Louis
>
> -Rob
>
>> In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here.
>>
>> Best,
>> Claudio

Re: I am glad to retun to AOO

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Robert,
As others have mentioned, it's good to have you and the team here--
louis

史周波 wrote:
> Hi，Eric
> thank you very much.  I  don't mention it.
>
> regards.
> robertzhou
> 于 2012年05月04日 16:29, eric b 写道:
>>
>> Le 4 mai 12 à 07:43, 史周波 a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi everyone.
>>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> I am glad to return to Apache Openoffice.org
>>>
>>> I am robertzhou, form china . I am working for cs2c . I am old
>>> friend of OpenOffice.org.
>>> many years ago, I was working for freamework and developer. I'd like
>>> to work for Apache OpenOffice.org. I'm insterting in Aoo performace
>>> 、framework 、 chinese localization、UOF .
>>>
>>
>>
>> Glad to see people like you join !
>>
>> Be welcome back, and don't be afraid to ask, comment and participate :-)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Bachard
>>
>>
>

Re: After AOO 3.4?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto :
>> Hi.
>>
>> We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created
>> polls, and others.
>>
>> We need to get statistics AOO.
>>
>> Best,
>> Albino
>
> Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of
> "ideal users" with clear needs: students who do their homework,
> independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small
> companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of
> supplies...

I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo? Briefly, 
more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows users. But 
major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector. Some of the more 
obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of date.


> All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one
> group could be a problem for the others.

I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work with the 
NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private needs for 
accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do that but we (an 
extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it to find the 
developers

>

louis

[0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments
>
> Regards
> Ricardo

Re: UOF (was Re: Hi everyone I am OOo old friend , My name is robertzhou)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

Peter Junge wrote:
> On 5/4/2012 11:37 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>> Hello everyone;
>>
>> A warm welcome to everyone from China; its great to know that while I
>> sleep, someone in another timezone will be making good use of
>> OpenOffice. ;)
>>
>> I dont know much about UOF but we still have remnants of a homepage
>> for that project:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/uof/
>
> The most important thing to get started would be getting the UOF spec
> translated into English.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter

Let's imagine that we can get the UOF automagically translated... Okay, let's 
not imagine that. Peter, how should we proceed? By contacting Dr Li? I can 
volunteer to work with that. But what else would need to be done? 

Louis

Re: key board setting modifications for blind.

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi Ravish,

Ravish kumar wrote:
> Sir
>
>
>  I am devloping a software with very special functionality.it is for blind
> people.
> I want to change settings in the way generally key board is interpreted.
> for example...if '7' is pressed it is treated as 'a'.
>  if 7 is pressed two times..it is treated as 'b'.three times '7' means 'c'.
> pressing '8' means d...
>
> keyboard interpretation will be similiar to keypad of mobile.
>
> is  it possible to change the way keyboard is interpreted?
> plz mail me as soon as possible.

I'll let others answer.

But for now, are you working with other accessibility groups? There was quite a 
lot done with OOo already, though I don't know if included the kind of changes 
you want.

I am putting here the (compressed) URL for pages found using "accessibility" as 
a search term in the old (and now new) OOo wikis:  http://goo.gl/ovvXb

-louis

best
Louis
>
>
>
>
>
> RAVISH
>
> (india)
>

Re: After AOO 3.4?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

On Monday, 7 May 2012, RGB ES wrote:

> 2012/5/8 Louis Suárez-Potts >:
> > Hi,
> >
> > RGB ES wrote:
> >> 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto >:
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created
> >>> polls, and others.
> >>>
> >>> We need to get statistics AOO.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Albino
> >>
> >> Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of
> >> "ideal users" with clear needs: students who do their homework,
> >> independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small
> >> companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of
> >> supplies...
> >
> > I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo?
> Briefly, more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows
> users. But major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector.
> Some of the more obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of date.
> >
> >
> >> All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one
> >> group could be a problem for the others.
> >
> > I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work
> with the NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private
> needs for accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do
> that but we (an extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it
> to find the developers
> >
> >>
> >
> > louis
> >
> > [0]
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Ricardo
>
> Sorry, but I cannot understand your question. I'm not dismissing
> anything. I just commented that a home user is not the same than a
> professional writer, and that both groups have different needs that
> ask for different solutions. Building usage statistics without
> considering the differences between users can lead to wrong
> conclusions: that's all.
>
> Maybe is for my professional background, but as physicists I know that
> before doing research (and analysing user statistics is research) you
> need a "model" of what you are looking for: on this case, a set of
> "ideal users" with a lists of needs and problems. Only then you will
> be able to find solutions.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
Well, as a historian I quite agree with you. My point was that we already
have a lot of data, as that URL hints.
Louis


-- 
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Re: key board setting modifications for blind.

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Hi Louis,
>
> On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 06:21:40PM -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> Hi Ravish,
>
> He is not subscribed to the list ;)


Ah.
Louis
>
>
> Regards

Re: First News about the Release

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

In English... below :

Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Hi
>
> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/OpenOffice-meldet-sich-zurueck-1570310.html

OpenOffice is back

Since Oracle gave the Open Office project in June 2011 to the Apache Software 
Foundation (ASF), the free office suite has been quiet. Now the project team 
under the new name of version 3.4 has Apache Open Office (AOO) for Windows, 
Linux and Mac OS X (Intel) enabled. The previous extension ". Org" has been 
deleted.

Compared to the version 3.3 released in January 2011, there are numerous 
improvements. With some tweaking to the code word processing, spreadsheet, 
presentation software and databases now run faster than its predecessor. By 
AES256 encryption, documents can now better protect against unauthorized access.

In the spreadsheet, the previous pilot data in pivot table is renamed and the 
restriction to 8 fields in the Layout dialog was removed. Other enhancements 
include revised Im-/Exportfilter for delimited text files (CSV), additional 
options in the equation editor and Math in the PDF export. All changes are in 
the Release Notes document.



-louis


>
> Greetings Raphael

Re: Social Promotion Kit for AOO 3.4

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Thanks, Rob and others, this a great page!

Louis

Anton Meixome wrote:
> 2012/5/8 Rob Weir :
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+Social+Promotion+Kit
>>
>> I've started the above page to collect stories and blog posts about
>> the AOO 3.4 release, along with other information that can be used by
>> the community to help promote this new release.
>>
>> I've added some stuff there already.  Please help me with more
>> content.  If you notice press coverage or other useful information,
>> please update the wiki page.  I'm especially short of international
>> coverage.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -rob
>
> Hi Rob, and all
>
> At this moment, Galician
>
> http://www.trasno.net/content/apache-openoffice-34-ve-luz
> http://blog.openoffice.gl/aoo-apache-openoffice/article/apache-openoffice-3-4
>
> and Facebook, Google+
>
> I'm translating these release notes
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Release+Notes
>
> How can I send the translation for availability in child pages?
>
> Tomorrow more
> :-)
>
>
>

Re: [ML] Please state that the mail was approved and that the author is not subscribed to the ML

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 05/09/2012 12:07 AM, schrieb Simon Phipps:
>>
>> On 8 May 2012, at 22:55, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>
>>> When you as ML moderator approve a post to a mailing list, please
>>> can you also state that the author is not subscribed to the ML and
>>> that everybody who wants to replay has to CC'ing the author?
>>>
>>> This would be very helpful from the start of the first posting.
>>
>> As a moderator, I am not aware of any way to do this; the moderator
>> has no means to add a comment to an approved posting. It is possible
>> to tell from the message headers that a message has been moderated,
>> so perhaps you could add a rule/macro to your mail client to add the
>> originator as a cc on any reply when this header is present?
>
> I remember that it was possible with the old OOo mailing lists. I
> cannot believe that this is gone even when here a different ML service
> is working. ;-)
>
> If you can tell me how to do it in Thnderbird I can give it a try.

Indeed, it was and remains possible with the OOo ML, and we used the same 
technology, much to the annoyance of some.

Probably we can find out by asking those who implemented it what they did, but 
if I recall, it was a simple insertion of [moderated] via script to the message 
needing approval.
louis
>
> Marcus
>

Re: Introducing myself

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> 2012/5/8 Paulo de Souza Lima 
> 
>> Hello.
>>
>> My name is Paulo. I'm a Claudio and Albino's friend and I would like to
>> help Apache OpenOffice project.
>>
>>
> Hello my friend, welcome! :)
> 
> 
>> I'm not a developer, but I have some expertise in wikis (Mediawiki,
>> Moinmoin, Trac), translations (I am a former translator for BrOffice
>> Magazine and I helped to create contents for pt-br LibreOffice website and
>> wiki), localization (pootle), websites, blogs, and documentation (many
>> chapters of LibreOffice pt-br documentation have my contribution), etc.
>>
> 
> Paulo is one of the best I know how to work with the Wiki. It also speaks /
> reads English very well. I'm sure he will make great contributions.
> 
> Best,
> Albino
> 
Paulo, hello! It's good to see you here!

Louis

Re: Special Thanks to Andrew Rist

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi


Rob Weir wrote:
> As we celebrate the release of Apache OpenOffice 3.4, I want to just
> take moment to recognize one project member who has been very busy,
> but also very quiet.
>
> The transition from Oracle to Apache did not end with Oracle
> submitting an SGA.  That was just the beginning.  From coordinating
> domain name transfers, to helping transition the many legacy online
> services, to handling administrative requests on legacy servers, to
> updating license info in source files, and on and on, including stuff
> I probably don't even know about.  Oh, yes, and then he somehow found
> time to get the buildbots running.
>
> So thanks, Andrew, for your steady work on transitioning the project
> to Apache, and thanks as well to Oracle for making your efforts
> possible.
>
> Regards,

+1 From me.
Note: Andrew was my colleague during my stint at Oracle. I liked working with 
him and appreciated his real interest in OOo, the ODF, and the project. I'm 
grateful he has helped so much to plant the project here.

Thanks, Andrew.


Louis
>
> -Rob

First Year Cake(walk)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

I'm not by any stretch the community manager of this new project, AOO,
but am like many of you on this list part of it, a member. And as we are
shouting out and offering praise, I'd like to thank the community and
the Apache group for what has been accomplished.

The reviews keep pouring in. Do a simple Google search and you'll see
what I mean. And they have been trending positive, at least as of last
night, -0500 UTC.

The first year is always the hardest, as we have to find our roles and
discover the ways to collaborate with the others--and also to learn what
has to be done in all regards, from infrastructure, code, governance,
and identity.

For me, it was an odd and sometimes difficult year, as I discovered how
much I'd invested--emotionally, intellectually, socially--in OpenOffice.
That it has come out so well and that the product I use every day (and
which never crashes on me) is showing itself renewed, refreshed is
terrific. But even better is that the collaborators working on it have
formed and are forming a real community, one whose governance is open
and transparent, one in which evident merit marked by doing is the true
measure and one in which everyone is eligible to show their merits.

Thanks then not only to Andrew R. and the mentors, but to those who make
up the actuality of the Apache way by doing.

Cheers,
Louis

Re: Shout Out for our Mentors!

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

+1!
Louis


Donald Harbison wrote:
> While we're in the honeymoon period following our successful launch of
> Apache OpenOffice 3.4, I want to give a special SHOUT OUT! to our mentors.
> We wouldn't be here at this point in the project's development without your
> help and counsel. You agreed to take this podling on as huge and gnarly as
> you knew it would be. OpenOffice is the largest end user-facing project in
> the history of ASF. Nobody blinked. Your support has been stalwart and
> steadfast. Lastly, your confidence in us, that we would eventually get most
> of it right, even if we messed up some things, was most appreciated. It's
> been a challenge for you, but I trust you are finding it rewarding as we
> pass this first major milestone of a successful Apache Release, and look
> forward to building the most successful end user productivity software
> suite in the history of Apache, for the public good, of course!
>
> Thank You!...and you know who you are, so I'm not naming names. :))


>

Re: "How To Install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Via PPA On Ubuntu 12.04/11.10"

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

Rob Weir wrote:
> http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/05/how-to-install-apache-openoffice-34-via.html
>
> Is there someplace on the website or wiki where we could add this
> link?  Maybe the release notes?

OOo used to have install instructions for Linux and other OSes, and these were, 
IIRC, linked to from the a) download page b) support page. That latter, 
http://support.openoffice.org/ , could be reused, modulo today's reality.

louis
>
> -Rob

Re: Download stats script (in progress)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Rob Weir wrote:
> But two quick questions to help me finish this:
> 
> 1) Historically, what did OOo report as "downloads"?  Was this just a
> count of full installs?  Or language packs as well?

History evolved. The data deemed "download" reflected, in fact, *hits*
to the relevant pages, at first, then clicks on the links. In the last
several years, the data collected was more precise but it generally
referred to specific installation sets clicked on for download. As the
NL projects supplemented (usually) the L10n modules by providing more QA
and installation sets, the language packs as such, if I recall, grew
less urgent. Ie, why have a language pack when I could download the
ZH-TW version of OOo?

However. in the earlier days, when we actually were counting as many
downloads as possible (and it was an inverse Red Queen's Race) all
counted, and that meant that some things were counted more than once but
seldom more than twice, and not all things were so honoured.

So. With Bouncer and with other tools we did have a good but not
plusgood and certainly never a doubleplusgood accounting. But it was
good enough for propaganda :-).

What did in the end make the final tally were indexes of ODF use.

> 
> 2) It is easy to produce downloads by language and platform, since our
> installs are already defined that way.  But I can also report
> per-country.  Is that interesting to anyone?  

Yes.

 For example, in Canada,
> the most popular downloads are X, Y, Z.

Thanks, Rob.
Yes, the per country index was immensely desired, as it provided usually
positive feedback and thus encouragement to those who were a)
volunteering mirrors or effort or other things of immense value (first
borns?) to the cause, and b) it demonstrated to those funding these free
efforts the international value of their work, even though brand
awareness (ie, what server you use to get you the fee software) was
nonexistent.

But those who managed the servers and did the immensely important work
of keeping things current... knowing where it was used was important.

I also found it important, as it helped me think of ways in which we
could manage the OOoCons without going through the easily-gamed system
we had relied upon.

Sorry for prolixity--
Louis

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Re: Download stats script (in progress)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Juergen Schmidt wrote:
>  don't know but I assume full install sets . I would like to detailed numbers 
> as much as possible.
>> > 
>> > 2) It is easy to produce downloads by language and platform, since our
>> > installs are already defined that way. But I can also report
>> > per-country. Is that interesting to anyone? For example, in Canada,
>> > the most popular downloads are X, Y, Z.
>> > 
>> > 
> 
> again I would like to have detailed numbers. We can produce nice statistics 
> and graphs ;-) 

Juergen,

Would you want those from OOo or current? I presume current, and we can
even make these accurate. I should think that for OOo, your best bet
really is to look to the DE project's, BR-PT's, ES, if they have
them--Alexandro might?, or Richard Holt, or others in Red.es or
Cenatic--and PLIO, for Italy.

(Other locations and languages would also be obtainable, I'd guess, but
... why?)

Maho might also have data still for JA, which usually demonstrated
itself to be immensely into downloading and using and doing good work
with OOo. :-)

Finally, we all do need to keep in mind the simple fact that those with
Windows usually will have to download OO, but those with Linux... oh,
wait. My, what an interesting new situation. Even so for Mac.

:-)

Louis

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Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Roberto,

On 2012-05-11, at 14:38 , Roberto Galoppini wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> http://ooopackages.good-day.net doesn't serve that download anymore, it's
> dead.

This doesn't work?

http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport

louis
> 
> Maho can you help me?
> 
> Roberto
> 
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Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

NO, to reply to myself, that is Good-Day's. 

I do have it on my system, and can post it to a server if you tell me where. It 
is, however, "Oracle PDF Import," if that makes a difference. 

louis


On 2012-05-11, at 14:38 , Roberto Galoppini wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> http://ooopackages.good-day.net doesn't serve that download anymore, it's
> dead.
> 
> Maho can you help me?
> 
> Roberto
> 
> -- 
> 
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> intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, 
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> 

Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Larry, Thanks.
I just sent to Roberto an older version but for Intel, too.

Louis


On 2012-05-11, at 17:20 , Larry Gusaas wrote:

> 
> On 2012-05-11 2:56 PM  Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Louis Suárez-Pottswrote:
>> 
>>> >  NO, to reply to myself, that is Good-Day's.
>>> >
>>> >  I do have it on my system, and can post it to a server if you tell me
>>> >  where. It is, however, "Oracle PDF Import," if that makes a difference.
>>> >
>> Even that one points to Good-Day.
>> If you provide us with, we can upload it, please send a copy to me and/or
>> to Dave Brondsema.
> The link for Mac Intel at 
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport works.
> The Mac PPC doesn't work.
> 
> -- 
> _
> 
> Larry I. Gusaas
> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." 
> - Edgard Varese
> 
> 
> 

Re: Update release notes ( was: About the new spreadsheet functions )

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Thanks.


On 2012-05-12, at 12:43 , drew wrote:

> On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:15 -0400, drew wrote:
>> On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 14:53 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
>>> The release notes mention "ODF Spreadsheet supports new Conditional
>>> Functions": COUNTIFS, SUMIFS, AVERAGEIF and AVERAGEIF.
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, checked the other functions against the ODF doc spec, it looks
>> like the release notes
>> http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.0.html
>> 
>> should be updated, removing the section on these functions, yes?
>> 
>> Will, wait an hour or so for anyone to comment, otherwise I'll go do
>> that.
>> 
> 
> Done.

Drew, thanks again. I also want to say that the release notes are very nicely 
written: informative, to the point. Nice.

-louis
> 
> //drew
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: OpenOffice for iPhone/iPad

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Am 14.05.12 00:11, schrieb Steven Ball:
>> Are you working on a version of OpenOffice for iOS?
> No, there are ODF Viewers from IBM. But I don't know, maybe sameone will
> work on this.
> 
> Greetings Raphael

Not sure if Steven is subscribed, so am cc'ing him. But to add to what
R. wrote: there are several independent groups working on iOS (iPad)
editors for ODF files, which AOO uses by default. One does not need the
whole application on an mobile (egad) but having some editing
functionality is a good thing. The point would be to save files one edited.

There is also rollApp, which offers the entire suite via browser / html5
for iPad. It's in beta. But the demonstration showed at the recent ODF
plugfest in Brussels evidenced fairly fast response. Conjoined with a
remote storage server (eg, Dropbox), one can use a mobile to view/edit
and save ODF files via an interface  (AOO) that is familiar.\

For readers, I have tried them all (that are publicly available) and
recommend Symphony. (No, not an IBM employee am I.) There is also my
prior favourite, FileApp Pro, and then there are some others that may or
may not still be around. (I had checked last year around this time,
though I only tested out Symphony's iOS app a few weeks ago, in Brussels.)

Finally, there is a lot of very belated activity on this front. I think
everyone has been waiting for the right moment, to see if a) there is
actually a call for mobile devices that can do things besides show
entertainment and b) if the big vendors were able to act on the supposed
demand (I believe, and always have, that there is real demand: if only
to look at schools). Apple has made iWorks available for iPad (and
iPHone) for some time, and it integrates with its cloud. The laggard was
and remains, oddly, Microsoft. Or perhaps not so oddly.

So, I'd expect there to be a shock of strong contenders for ODF editors
on the iPad H2 (after July) this year. It's not that they must run the
entire suite; it's that they must be abel to do good enough. And the
vendors/projects making these may very well not be using AOO (or not
only) but other ODF editors, as well.


-louis

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Re: CD-ROMs for consumers

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi
On 2012-05-14, at 12:47 , Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:08 PM,   wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I found so many invalid links(Dead links)or not open office software
>> related.
>>> Because this page not update for years
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
>>> 
>> 
>> This page has repeatedly been the source of confusion and concern.
>> 
> 
> FWIW -- I de-linked the CDROM info from the current download page before we
> went live. The old distribution info, of course, continued to live on...so
> this was needed.
> 
> I started, rather feebly, a new page yesterday that I thought might be a
> catch all for all manners of third party distributions --CDROM, other
> builds not by Apache. That would tie in or actually be replaced by this new
> page you started. yeah, we need to work on this, hopefully soon, to get
> more options out there.
> 
> This new page is good until we determine HOW we even want to "verify"
> what's being distributed by these methods.

What would "verify" mean? When I set up the CDROM project and distribution 
category, the verification was simple: the binaries and source (if that was 
what they wanted to deliver, too; a link would have worked, and did, usually) 
had to come from one of OOo's mirrors, and we (Alex, at that point) pointed 
them to those. (That was the mirrors list I set up but which was then later 
maintained by several, including Florian E.)

Why not do the same? It must come from an AOO distribution mirror. We simply 
trust those who claim that that is how they obtained the binaries. As to what 
is distributed on CDROM (or DVD): what they want, in addition to a legitimate 
binary. And it need not be, of course, in English.

Louis
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> So, I've replaced the distribution pages with a simple statement which
>> you can read here:
>> 
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/distribution/index.html
>> 
>> If someone, either currently with the project, or a new volunteer, has
>> the interest and energy to help develop a new distribution program,
>> then your efforts will be most welcome.  Until then, it seems that
>> users will have equal luck jut searching eBay.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> 
>>> Invalid Links
>>> 
>>> Distributor  USA
>>> Flexiety Amazon.com Store
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/?me=A3AYSZ5JGWXAJN
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Distributor Australia
>>> Cybersite
>>> http://www.cybersite.com.au/
>>> 
>>> Distributor Colombia
>>> CompuKeep Ltda.
>>> http://www.compukeep.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Distributor India
>>> Murugapandian Barathee
>>> http://swathanthra.freesites.ws/stall
>>> 
>>> Linux.Mejokj.com
>>> http://linux.mejokj.com/
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Distributor   Malaysia
>>> CheapISO.com
>>> http://www.cheapiso.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Distributor  México
>>> 
>>> Mayan Open Source Enterprises
>>> http://www.moselinux.com/
>>> 
>>> small world international trading & consulting
>>> http://www.sworld.tk/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Distributor  Perú
>>> Puppisoft.Org
>>> http://www.puppisoft.org/
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Distributor  Philippines
>>> Net Effect
>>> http://www.neteffect.com.ph/
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Distributor  Poland
>>> 
>>> Castor Th
>>> http://wzorypism.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MOKART
>>> http://mokart.prv.pl/
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Distributor   Singapore
>>> Mynasoft
>>> http://www3.mynasoft.com/
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Distributor  Spain
>>> XP Factory
>>> http://xpfactory.redi.tk/
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Distributor   Turkey
>>> 
>>> Gelecek
>>> http://www.gelecek.com.tr/openoffice.org
>>> 
>>> Sevgi Bilgisayar
>>> http://sites-web.site-creation.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Distributor  UK
>>> 
>>> AMS Computer Systems
>>> http://www.amscomputers.co.uk/
>>> 
>>> KARSA
>>> http://www.karsa.co.uk/
>>> 
>>> nCD enterprises/Wilmslow High School
>>> http://www.wilmslowhigh.cheshire.sch.uk/ooo/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Techlink Consultants
>>> http://www.tcltd.net/
>>> 
>>> Tuxland.co.uk
>>> http://www.tuxland.co.uk/
>>> 
>>> T. J. Computers Ltd.
>>> http://www.tj-computers-ltd.co.uk/
>>> 
>>> Wordit Limited
>>> http://www.wordit.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Distributor
>>> United States of America
>>> 
>>> Amazon.com Storefront
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/?me=A3AYSZ5JGWXAJN
>>> 
>>> Chance Pittenger
>>> http://ipfinc.org/
>>> 
>>> Half Price Computer Books
>>> http://www.halfpricecomputerbooks.com/
>>> 
>>> Joseph Heingarten
>>> http://openofficesuite.net/   Online casnio site
>>> 
>>> Lyciall's
>>> http://office.lyciall.com/
>>> 
>>> Main Street Computers
>>> http://mainstr33t.com/
>>> 
>>> NovoPC
>>> http://www.novopc.com/
>>> 
>>> OCS Computer
>>> http://www.ocscomputer.com/open

Re: [ANNOUNCE] IBM SGA/CCLA Submitted for Symphony Source Code Contribution

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Thanks.
Louis

PS I can hardly wait

On Tuesday, 15 May 2012, Donald Harbison wrote:

> A few minutes ago, I submitted the IBM Software Grant Agreement and
> Corporate Contributor License Agreement for IBM Lotus Symphony
> contribution. This action means infra can begin to prepare to receive the
> 'Contribution" into svn when they're ready. We will be providing more
> descriptive content to the list tomorrow when our China team wakes up. :)
> This is just a short announcement to get the ball rolling.
>
> We announced our plan to do this on July 15, 2011. The successful delivery
> of Apache OpenOffice 3.4 has now made it possible to move forward.  We hope
> the community will invest time and energy to study and understand this
> contribution and help determine how best to use it going forward for the
> benefit of the public good.
>
> This ends the Symphony fork here with Apache OpenOffice.
>


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Re: questions about the "porting" project

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

On 2012-05-15, at 17:37 , Kay Schenk wrote:

> Hi all--
> 
> I was just taking a look at the porting project site:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
> 
> could someone who is familiar with this project, and hopefully currently
> involved with it, fill us in on what the affiliation of the porters listed
> --
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
> 
> were to the OpenOffice.org project? Were they committers, etc?
> 
> And, if you could provide some idea of the usage numbers for each, if they
> were kept somewhere,  that would be great.
> Thanks.

I think I can probably answer most of the questions, as we did track those 
data, but not sure: much of what was there is a) gone, b) old, really old.

That said, regarding the committers: See, 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper

"Domain Developer," as you know, meant that one had access as a committer 
globally.

As to general ports, from memory:

1. Windows. > 95%
And then Mac OS X
And then, in the single digits, the rest.
(Linux distros., of course, included OOo and its variants.)

The old spreadsheets from the first few years are probably not quite 
accurate--they never were--but suggestive of the breakdown then of "everything 
else". However, now, things are quite a lot different, and past data ought not 
to prescribe present, let alone future behaviour.

Louis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
>-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette

Re: AOO Downloads, false-positive and Beyond

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-15, at 14:49 , Roberto Galoppini wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> as you might now SourceForge is serving the vast majority of AOO binaries
> downloads, and we provide download stats by country, Operating System,
> Browser, and traffic source. Some of you are familiar with our stats pages,
> while others use our APIs.
> 
> We do have spam detection enabled to identify false-positive traffic like
> bots, and I wish to share some insights of what happened recently on this
> front.
> 
> We noticed that Russia was the highest download country, something that was
> hard to explain. The popularity was limited to /localized/ru/3.4.0/
> Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Win_x86_install_ru.exe
> 
> We looked at the raw download logs for that file, and saw a lot of
> downloads from user-agent "Download Master".  Apparently it is popular in
> Russia, and apparently it starts hundreds of simultaneous downloads at
> once.  Our download stats system does have some logic to prevent double
> counting this type of traffic, but it didn't exclude all of the duplicate
> downloads, so the result was still high.  We've updated our download stats
> logic to correct this, and then reprocessed the raw logs from 2012-05-08 to
> present, to update the stats.
> 
> Beyond bringing our ability to provide reliable stats, I wish to throw some
> new ideas about how we can help Apache OpenOffice to grow:
> 
> a. We could provide intelligence on which projects were downloaded with
> Open Office within a week.
> b. We could cross-merch Apache OpenOffice project with other projects
> c. We have community management and Internet Marketing to support the
> community

I'm in favour, as you probably can guess--I strongly promoted OOo both as a 
binary for users and as a source project for developers (considerable 
overlap)--but do have simple procedural questions, starting with "we"? You 
mean, I'd hope, those who simply want to do it? As we encountered with the OOo 
Marketing Project, good ideas and intentions can quickly get lost in community 
cacophony: more noise than signal. 

What we discovered was that focusing on particular drives and engaging those 
who would be able to carry them out, long term and without undue stress to 
their regular lives (this is all volunteer), helped. What I further discovered 
and tried as much as possible to arrange was the support & coordination of 
small, medium and even large businesses and public sector entities. For 
instance, a company may have an extension that adds value to AOO and which, by 
its use, adds huge marketing value to their company and product. I received *a 
lot* of such requests from companies, and I would like to reacquaint myself 
with them and they with us, but it takes time.

A preliminary list of organizations that were using OOo and probably are 
interested in AOO can be found at 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments

The thing that I noted repeatedly was that many organizations, esp. public 
sector (and also not a small number of individuals coming from a Windows or Mac 
background) refused or were reluctant to download the product without 
professional support. The user forums worked great but in the case of public 
sectors and also companies, they wanted professional support, as they were used 
to getting (and paying for). This does not mean we must wait for the horse to 
be hitched to this wagon, not by any means. And I'm working on rekindling those 
who *were* providing that support. (Besides Sun/Oracle, there were actually 
quite a few. Some can still be found from http://support.openoffice.org/)


> 
> We've already run a 250k impressions campaign through our media channels,
> and we plan to run more.
> Our community growth hacker and Apache member Rich Bowen has covered Apache
> OpenOffice both on feathercast and SourceForge blog, and also here we plan
> to do more videos and interviews.
> 


> Roberto
All in all, thanks, Roberto! I would suggest an IRC meeting with an agenda to 
start coordinating activities. I also see some implicit milestones. These 
include drawing attention to what is here, what is coming and how people can 
use it and contribute to it--without thinking about the Cloud, or cost. And if 
they must, that there are options there, too.

As well, wouldn't it be great that over summer we do enough so that when school 
starts again here in the Northern Hemisphere, students and faculty can actually 
use something that is all about working together for a better place?

Ciao
Louis

Re: UX, Inclusive Design, Fluid Project

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Kevin

On Tuesday, 15 May 2012, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> Louis,
>
> "Inclusive" or "universal", accessible design is very important.
>
> You are correct, we are on the cusp of UX invention, and your input would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> The UX community is starting fresh, and welcomes your support.
>
> Watch your inbox and the community wiki for more information.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>


I am active on multiple fronts, not quite continuing my longtime work as
community manager and council chair, as well as lead of marketing and many
other projects, but also not putting it away. I do however more actively
continue my ODF activities, as well as ecosystem development on a global
scale.. Inclusive design--accessibility-- was and is a privileged vehicle
for penetrating otherwise inaccessible markets.

Louis

> AOO UX Community
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2012, Louis R Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>> I used to be tangentially involved in the Fluid Project, which promotes
>> "inclusive design," or designing, in this case, software that can work with
>> all people, not just a few. Now that we are at the cusp of invention and
>> are beginning debate and work on UX, I'd like to point the emerging group
>> to the Fluid Project.
>>
>> The PI of the project used to work (and still does, I think) on ensuring
>> that document formats comply with accessibility requirements, and that
>> includes--especially--the ODF.
>>
>> Best,
>> Louis
>
>

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Re: May I use "Apahce OpenOffice" and "Apache Incubator" logos on OpenOffice CD

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

+1
louis

On 2012-05-16, at 01:35 , Kazunari Hirano wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I and my project members are preparing to create Apache OpenOffice
> 3.4.0 for Windows CD with templates, illustrations and photos provided
> by http://www.templatebank.com/
> 
> Here is label design draft.
> https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/apache-openoffice-cd
> 
> Thanks,
> khirano
> 
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Let me update.
>> https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/openoffice-org-3-3-0-cd
>> We made Rainbow version and Flower version of OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 for
>> Windows CD with 18 language packs, source code, SDK and set them in
>> slim cases.
>> Some schools help distribute these CDs to their students studying
>> software and languages.
>> 
>> After Apache OpenOffice 3.4 release we would like to make Apache
>> OpenOffice 3.4 for Windows CD.
>> May I use "Apache OpenOffice"[1] and "Apache Incubator"[2] logos on CDs?
>> [1] http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/OOo_Website_v2_copy.png
>> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/images/egg-logo.png
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> khirano
>> 
>> --
>> khir...@apache.org
>> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: questions about the "porting" project

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-16, at 16:07 , Kay Schenk wrote:

> well I am not quite THAT bored at the moment. ;)
> 
> Thanks for all this. Yes, it did help. Our current situation, as with any 
> open source project, is that you can only *build* what you can sustain.

More or less, yes: the no part being, I would maintain, that as long as one is 
honest about what is being done and can be done, then what counts as 
"sustainable" can, arguably, be relaxed. After all, the original Mac OS X 
builds maintained by the community members numbered two and had day jobs. The 
effort, fuelled by coffee and IM, was in a way not sustainable at all; but it 
inspired and proved a point, and so in the end, became sustainable. A key 
reason? Not the execs at Sun who liked Macs—nearly all—but the actuality of a 
noisy market. That is to say: marketing can help bridge the gulf between what 
is feasible by the resources at hand and what can be done, given the needed 
resources. (A 'resource' is a person, here, whose salary, in this case, is in 
effect, a debt paid back by the users and those who supply them with services 
at a cost.)
> 
> Mostly I was asking about this to try to get a feel for what we should 
> include as "official" builds vs not.

It's a difficult question, and I do wonder: do we need "official' or simply a 
limit on the size that can be held? When I set up the mirror system, I 
stratified it by "stable" and "contributor" (or the like) builds. The "stable" 
would map to "official," but the point was that it related more to builds that 
were *ready* to go than to builds that demanded privileged treatment because 
they were "official." A ready-to-go build could be ready simply because it 
attracted the right level of interest among the right sort of people, not 
because it had been deemed "official." Yes, there will be a degree of 
competition.

There may also be—would be—confusion among users, esp. the big ones, like 
governments. In this case, I'd suggest we have more of an argument to insist 
that they actually put their money where their code is.

As to corporate contributors: they have their own agenda, and it probably is 
pretty much most everyone else's. The point is that they will need to do what 
their clients want, no matter what.

> 
> Considering Maho and Pedro (with FreeBSD) and Dario (OS/2) are involved with 
> the project as committers, why wouldn't we include these builds on the 
> mirrors? And, we have a Solaris participant as well now.
> 
I think that if their builds are ready, great. We *could* instate a simple 
requirement, that Build A must have a roadmap leading to Build A.n+2, if not B. 
That is, two post-A releases, but that is probably not necessary. It's only put 
there, as a suggestion, to give users and contributors a sense of where to 
allocate their own energies. 


> A further discussion I think. I would think any "ports" by AOO committers 
> would at some point, be part of the official builds. But more to follow...


Good; yes, this is a worthy discussion, and I wish we could have had these at 
the old OOo community council. Certainly, many of us wanted that. But 
[redacted].

cheers
Louis

Re: [OT] AOO in Telecenter

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Albino, World:

On 2012-05-17, at 09:46 , Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> A member of the Escritório Livre community, working in telecenters
> government is creating an OS based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. About 6.000
> telecenters, with 11 machines each, and will exceed more than 7.000.

This is good! does it continue the activity of earlier years? 
> 
> It will replace the old BrOffice 3.2 to put the Apache OpenOffice 3.4 as
> the official office in the telecenters.

Wow. And will it be called Apache OpenOffice? And be in BR-PT? Can you also 
give us a sense of how many people will be reached (able to use) by these 
enhancements? 

Also, in case people don't know, would you be so kind as to explain what a 
Telecenter is?  


> 
> Just who is having a problem, it needs to create a PPA for Ubuntu 10.04,
> and today exists only for 11.10/12.04. And also the question of automatic
> updating AOO.

Yes. Perhaps the telecentros can be persuaded to help out with the effort 
required? (They may already be doing so, of course.)

These moves are globally important. For instance, the telecenter model can be 
found in Asia, as well as India and elsewhere there is a need for local 
populations to access and use computers, the Internet, and related knowledge. 
Everyone wants to learn of successes, read case studies, follow best practices 
and so on: to relieve risk anxiety and to mitigate migration pain.

There are also competency centres around the world, especially in Asia, eg., 
Philippines, Malaysia, India, Indonesia, to name but a few that come to mind. 
Again, having case studies or even simple lists of what has been done… will 
make a world of difference real.

Please let's renew this page on major OO deployments. It's old; but we can take 
it as a "phase 1" and move to an Apache wiki that reflects AOO. Ideally, it 
could be used to create a more accurate map of ODF deployments. One used to be 
maintained (more or less) by the ODF Alliance. 

The page I mean for OO deployments, and that could be used as a model: 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments



> Albino

Thanks, Albino.

-louis

PS : again, the more case studies, or lists, that we can point to around the 
world, the better; and the more we can persuade the Grand Users of AOO and 
other FOSS to contribute to the development of those tools they use, the 
better. One of the best ways would be to encourage participation in the 
community process among the actual users; another way would be by employing, or 
making for the employ, of developers.

Re: how export write to Macromedia Flash swf format?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-16, at 22:13 , jianlizhao wrote:

> Whether there are 3rd party extension with OpenOffice.org, that can  export
> write to Macromedia Flash swf format

I believe that prior to OOo 3 (but maybe another milestone) OOo had Flash 
export. Certainly, I used it, and it was not via extension. I believe that the 
advent of 3.0, with all its changes, made Flash export history.

However, this is intriguing as a new option, as quite possibly Adobe, which 
also maintains an Apache project(s), as well as some key personnel (and quite a 
few other open source efforts), might be interested in such an extension. 
"Interest" would mean something like helping to create the thing and also 
popularizing its existence and use in order to expand its own market—and 
implicitly, ours.

-louis
> 
> 
> 
> -邮件原件-
> 发件人: Liu Da Li [mailto:wawal...@gmail.com] 
> 发送时间: 2012年5月17日 10:00
> 收件人: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> 主题: Re: how export write to Macromedia Flash swf format?
> 
> It seems that there doesn't exist such filter in Openoffice,export write to
> flash.
> 
> 2012/5/17 jianlizhao 
> 
>> OpenOffice.org can export draw and Impress to Macromedia Flash swf format,
>> how export write  to Macromedia Flash swf format?
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE] - Create ooo-ux mailing list

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-17, at 07:47 , RGB ES wrote:

> 2012/5/17 Joe Schaefer :
>> FWIW, I meant what I said about promoting the
>> idea of a separate UX group here.  Early efforts
>> to fork off subgroups are often failures at Apache,
>> and they don't need to be if you keep all the traffic
>> on the dev list.  Using tags like [UX] in the subject
>> are a good way of getting a gauge for how much talking
>> needs to be done on-list about the topic.   If it becomes
>> burdensome or distractive to discuss UX here, THEN ask
>> for a list.
> 
> +1.
> 
> Regards
> Ricardo
+1, too. 

So. Let's imagine that there are going to be, if not already, lots of +1s and 
people who want to participate, at least a little, like me. (I ave ulterior 
motives.) Where then do we go from here?

Louis

Re: about souce code of write insert a picture ?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,
Please interleave your responses and refrain for the terrible temptation of top 
posting. The idea is to situate the reader in the context and to maintain the 
illusion of a conversation.

Sorry for top posting this tedious plea,

Louis

On 2012-05-18, at 05:12 , jianlizhao wrote:

> Hello  Jim Cheng:
> 
> I see  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide.
> 
> It is schematic respect, Very detailed.
> I'm looking for a simple practical example
> 
> Thanks...
> Best Regards!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please refer to Yong Lin's reply...to find expected info from
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide
> 
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM, jianlizhao  wrote:
> 
>> Hello  Jim Cheng:
>> 
>> Yes. a kind of customer application developed based on OpenOffice, call
>> Extensions .  the  Extensions  Has the following features
>> 1)  dialog box
>> 2)  Click the button on the dialog box display "hello world".
>> 
>> it was simple, but good learning.
>> 
>> Thanks...
>> 
>> Best Regards!
>> 
>> 
>> -邮件原件-
>> 发件人: chengjh [mailto:chen...@apache.org]
>> 发送时间: 2012年5月18日 16:19
>> 收件人: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> 主题: Re: about souce code of write insert a picture ?
>> 
>> You mean a kind of customer application developed based on OpenOffice ,
>> such as "Hello World!",right?
>> 
>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM, jianlizhao 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello  Jim Cheng:
>>> 
>>> Thanks you replay.
>>> 
>>> Could I find a example of openoffice secondary development, programming
>>> language use C++ language , the example Achieve Function
>>> 1)  dialog box
>>> 2)  Click the button on the dialog box display "hello world".
>>> 
>>> Where can I download the example program?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks...
>> 
>> Best Regards!
>> 
>> Jim Cheng (程建宏)
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Best Regards!
> 
> Jim Cheng (程建宏)
> 

Re: AOO Downloads, false-positive and Beyond

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-18, at 12:15 , Roberto Galoppini wrote:

>> 
>> 
>> As well, wouldn't it be great that over summer we do enough so that when
>> school starts again here in the Northern Hemisphere, students and faculty
>> can actually use something that is all about working together for a better
>> place?
>> 
> 
> Yea, any specific idea in mind?

Yes. Many. 

What I'd suggest is not to target a particular regional market but a logical 
one. In this case, let's look at, oh, say, the Portuguese deployment of the 
Magellan education netbooks. As you recall, earlier instances had Win/MS Office 
in one partition, Lin/OOo in the other. That implicitly and immediately 
deprecated free software, as there was little reason to use it.

As Paulo has told me, though, things have changed. But the basic elements are 
the same: gov't. promoted software (now more free) and devices that are 
inexpensive enough (esp. aftter support) so that they can be widely deployed. 
Portugal is small—about the size of a Beijing suburb, at least in terms of 
population (10M) and Brazil is big, nearly 20 times that size. There is also 
Angola and other former Lusophone polities around the world. 

My argument is to promote a solution that is, at first, software focused. 

* AOO in Portuguese (Br/Pt) with local, when possible, support. (If it is not 
there, we start it or use global options until it is—and it comes into being 
because the market is or ought to be obvious enough.)

* Devices: Intel sided publicly with LibreOffice but earlier had wanted to work 
with OOo. Frankly, I doubt Intel cares one way or another which flavour is the 
best but simply wants a suite that has humongous global usage and also crucial 
community and industrial momentum. 

We have both.

> So, we contact Intel. I know the people at the Tizen (formerly Meego) 
> project, and I'm sure others here do, too. Tizen is essentially a mobilized 
> Linux, I believe, and if Intel has worked to get LO on it—I don't know—then 
> whatever it has done would probably work with AOO.

The point is to have a package: software on hardware. It need not be mobile per 
se. The education laptops, too, may not—I don't think they do—use Tizen. 

The most important point, as I see it, is to have a product that is ready for 
education—students and teachers—and only secondarily, the hardware. I put it 
this way, even though I obviously believe in the integrated ensemble, just 
because the hardware element is so susceptible to change. As well, hardware 
decisions are usually made more than a year in advance; I don't know when 
software decisions are made in general but I guess is that the cycle is a 
little shorter.

I think developing this general idea is needed, of course, and to focus on PT 
is not essential. However, my reason for doing so rests upon what had already 
been done by Portugal's prior gov't., by the PT users/OOo group, by the wide 
scale and exciting deployments in Brazil, by Angola's earlier interest in OOo 
and by Intel's live interest in producing a product that can have global 
popularity.

But all the players here could be replaced by others, of course. And the 
language could be, I don't know, Italian :-) or even the English they speak up 
here in Canada, eh?

Cheers,

Louis
> 
> Roberto
> 

Re: OpenOffice on eBay

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-18, at 14:18 , Chery wrote:

> It is free!  Who would buy it from you?
> 

OpenOffice has always been sold on eBay and other similar sites. The advantage 
to the buyer is that she does not have to download the app., can have it around 
for future reference, may distribute it to those who otherwise cannot get it 
(yes, she could burn more and I hope she would), and so on. As well, quite 
often CDROMs and DVDs contain so-called value-adds. Could be set of (free) 
extensions or it could be templates, utilities, etc. It actually makes a 
difference in the minds of many, too, to see the physical object. This is 
especially so at conferences, where you want handouts, and elsewhere you just 
want people to try it out *now*.

And, lest we not forget the nature of our own circumstances, it actually costs 
*more* to download a large binary such as AOO than to buy a CDROM containing it 
(in your language, no less)! Yep: in many if not most parts of the world, 
bandwidth is costly and charged by the minute or byte or both. 

The real point of "free" is the user's ability to work unencumbered with the 
binaries and source: to become not just another commodity but a producer in a 
community.

-louis


> -Original Message-
> From: SpindleHill Auctions [mailto:em...@spindlehill.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:05 PM
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: FW: OpenOffice on eBay
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to get further information on how I could sell OpenOffice on
> eBay, either via download and/or CDROM. I have been selling on eBay since
> 2004, and I am looking to increase my inventory and sales. Thank you very
> much for your time and consideration.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Gaudiosi
> 
> SpindleHill Auctions
> 
> em...@spindlehill.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: OpenOffice on eBay

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-18, at 17:00 , Larry Gusaas wrote:

> On 2012-05-18 1:40 PM  Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> On 2012-05-18, at 14:18 , Chery wrote:
>> 
>>> >  It is free!  Who would buy it from you?
>>> >  
>> OpenOffice has always been sold on eBay and other similar sites. The 
>> advantage to the buyer is that she does not have to download the app., can 
>> have it around for future reference, may distribute it to those who 
>> otherwise cannot get it (yes, she could burn more and I hope she would), and 
>> so on.
> 
> How does this comment apply to selling downloads of AOO?  Note that the OP 
> said "I would like to get further information on how I could sell OpenOffice 
> on eBay, either via download and/or CDROM"
> 

I misread in my haste to be corrective. It happens, esp. when one is distracted 
by other things.

Louis

Re: Washington DC Apahe Barcamp

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-18, at 21:54 , drew jensen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just a quick reminder on this.
> 
> I will be attending the Barcamp tomorrow and I will, if possible, give a
> brief presentation regarding our project.
> 
> It would be great if I could give a peak to the presentation, but for
> that it would have to be finished already... so that is out - it will be
> ready by 9 AM however :) of course I will post it to the wiki
> afterwards.
> 
> However, if anyone believes there is something particular you would like
> highlighted I will check emails over the next couple of hours - so go
> ahead and post here or direct to me, either way.
> 

Drew, thanks for doing this and I wish I could join you in the fun!

I'd say that heaping praise on Apache at an Apache event would probably only 
elicit skeptical cynicism, but maybe also beers. :-) Yet, if you could 
encourage all to check us out….. :-)

Oh, one thing. A while ago, Propylon, a company, was working on refining OOo 
for legal work; many law firms and related use WP 5.x or beyond. OOo had some 
legal templates but the fact is that a huge portion of the legal world is 
unable to budge from the weight of electrons and paper, however close to museum 
pieces they be. Yet legal workers want open standards, open source just like 
the rest of us. 

Perhaps, in Wash. DC, a receptive audience to such a thing? Esp. among the US 
CIO office, should that be possible? :-)


Cheers
Louis


> Thanks,
> 
> //drew
> 

Re: HELP NEEDED: CERTIFICATION TO PARTICIPATE IN A TENDER

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Dear Ms Cubilla,

Thanks for contacting us. As someone who has long championed the use of 
OpenOffice in education, and specifically on netbooks and other portable and 
mobile devices, I'm delighted to learn of your tender. You probably know this, 
and if you do, my apologies, Apache OpenOffice is free to use and distribute as 
you will and is licensed under the Apache License v.2.

I have not tried Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on the Acer Travelmate. My guess is that 
it works fine. However, issuing a statement to that effect, as a "System 
Builder," may pose some logistical problems, as we are an open source project 
composed of numerous groups operating within the Apache Software Foundation. 

But your request is important. I'd like therefore to see if this solution works 
for you and the government: A request to test Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (for Linux, 
Windows 7, 8) be filed. As we are not a company as such, at least not in the 
ways that Microsoft is, actually obtaining the Acer netbooks for the testing 
could be a problem. Further, there is no saying when the test on the Acer 
machines would be done, as it would depend upon the availability of resources. 
We do not profit from Acer's use of AOO, from your distribution or any 
company's, at least not directly.

Do you have any we can test? Are you perhaps in contact with Acer and able to 
connect us to that company, so that they can test the application on any of 
their devices? (Joining the project is not hard; we would welcome your 
participation and also that of Acer.)

Alternatively, perhaps you or your colleagues might find it actually fastest to 
install AOO 3.4 (in Spanish) on the machines? 

The government may not approve of such a manoeuvre, as you are not the System 
Builder. But by joining Apache and participating, even in a modest way, say by 
describing what your company is doing and planning, you can effectively become 
part of the community building the application.

These are the possibilities that may help you at this stage. I would suggest 
you write to us soonest with more ideas on how you wish to proceed.

Again, your efforts are laudable and praiseworthy. But you are not alone. 
Portugal has gone through something similar—I can put you in touch with the 
principal agents there—as has Brazil. And there are other countries in Europe 
whose sub-national governments have also considered or are deploying OpenOffice 
on education-ready netbooks. (Norway has used Intel education netbooks, for 
instance.)

Finally, you wrote to a very public list. You can find archives publicly 
available via the usual search engines. Your message has no particularly 
personal content, so rest assured. But do expect that my colleagues will likely 
also respond—indeed, I see that Alexandro has already done that. 

By the way, I am curious if your company would also be providing the education 
offices support?

Regards,

Louis Suárez-Potts
Apache OpenOffice PPMC

PS, Lo escribió en inglés por que es la convención por estas listas abiertas. 




On 2012-05-18, at 17:50 , Veronica Cubilla wrote:

>  
> Who may concern:
>  
> Regards from Panama!!
>  
> This is Veronica Cubilla from Cubix Panama (www.cubixlat.com ) an 
> International Wholesaler who participated with a VAR in a tender of 17,800 
> laptops with Education Minister in Panama that will be used by teachers.   
> One of the requirements of this tender was to include in the proposal Open 
> Office. 
>  
> The laptop we proposed was the Acer Travelmate P243 which have 320GB of HDD.  
> What we need for you is a Certification Letter for Acer  as a System Builder 
> who can replicate your software in this laptop, using Apache Open Office 3.4. 
>  
> If you need any other information about this tender you can see it 
> in:http://www.panamacompra.gob.pa/ambientepublico/VistaPreviaCP.aspx?NumLc=2012-0-07-0-08-AV-008941&esap=1&nnc=1&it=1,
>  where you can also find Microsoft letter certificating the usage of Win 7 
> Pro (which is attached).
>  
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  

Re: HELP NEEDED: CERTIFICATION TO PARTICIPATE IN A TENDER

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

 sub-national governments have also considered or are deploying
>>> OpenOffice on education-ready netbooks. (Norway has used Intel education
>>> netbooks, for instance.)
>>> 
>>> Finally, you wrote to a very public list. You can find archives publicly
>>> available via the usual search engines. Your message has no particularly
>>> personal content, so rest assured. But do expect that my colleagues will
>>> likely also respond—indeed, I see that Alexandro has already done that.
>>> 
>>> By the way, I am curious if your company would also be providing the
>>> education offices support?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Louis Suárez-Potts
>>> Apache OpenOffice PPMC
>>> 
>>> PS, Lo escribió en inglés por que es la convención por estas listas
>>> abiertas.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-18, at 17:50 , Veronica Cubilla wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Who may concern:
>>>> 
>>>> Regards from Panama!!
>>>> 
>>>> This is Veronica Cubilla from Cubix Panama (www.cubixlat.com ) an
>>> International Wholesaler who participated with a VAR in a tender of 17,800
>>> laptops with Education Minister in Panama that will be used by teachers.
>>> One of the requirements of this tender was to include in the proposal Open
>>> Office.
>>>> 
>>>> The laptop we proposed was the Acer Travelmate P243 which have 320GB of
>>> HDD.  What we need for you is a Certification Letter for Acer  as a System
>>> Builder who can replicate your software in this laptop, using Apache Open
>>> Office 3.4.
>>>> 
>>>> If you need any other information about this tender you can see it in:
>>> http://www.panamacompra.gob.pa/ambientepublico/VistaPreviaCP.aspx?NumLc=2012-0-07-0-08-AV-008941&esap=1&nnc=1&it=1,
>>> where you can also find Microsoft letter certificating the usage of Win 7
>>> Pro (which is attached).
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Washington DC Apahe Barcamp

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-18, at 22:35 , drew wrote:

> Though your remarks mention wordperfect format files and isn't that kind
> of an issue with AOO?


Yes. Which is why, I suppose, the company Propylon came into being: b/c Sun 
didn't see fit to address this essentially niche market. Of course, the "niche 
market" here is big, like virtually all of Anglo-American jurisprudence, and 
probably also a lot of Napoleonic Code entities, too. Not all, of course, now 
use WP; most probably use MSOffice or other idiosyncratic software.

However, the point is that ODF and AOO can be made to produce templates that 
satisfy the current needs of legal court filings. I believe that has been done. 
But the issue of mimicking WP's UI is the important one. My guess is that all 
things considered, if the application AOO can read WP files and produce files 
using legal templates, the UI issues will be moot, especially if the hidebound 
users continue using what their license dollars paid for, while the more 
flexible legals use free software that can, nevertheless, interoperate with the 
existing.

But I don't know the full state of the matter. Ripe discussion for the bar camp?

Louis

Re: [Comment] Apache software is always free

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Please avoid the loaded term "free"...

I started to laugh. :-)
/me wishes this or that US presidential candidate could read this, or
for that matter, George Orwell. :-/ I suggest, then, we use, rather,
"unencumbered"--a term which actually has real meaning.


-- 

Cheers,

Louis

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

See below

(Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.)

-- Louis Suárez-Potts 

 

On 2012-05-23, at 9:55, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:

> Hi Shane,
> 
> Thanks for the links.
> It's good.  I like it.

What do you like?

> :)
> Thanks,
> khirano
> 
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
>> In case folks haven't seen this:
>> 
>>  http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia
>> 
>> Which points to:
>> 
>>  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing
>> 
>> So it looks like there will be plenty of code sharing! 8->
>> 
>> - Shane
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-23, at 10:13 , Kazunari Hirano wrote:

> Hi Louis,
> 
> We can start sharing codes.

The licenses would seem to permit it, as MPLv2 is seemingly compatible with 
AL2. However, the language of this page, 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing , is less 
encouraging, and echoes familiar sentiments. I should have preferred a simple 
un-rhetoricized statement about the license and what it implies for both 
implementations. 

Louis


> I like it.
> :)
> Thanks,
> khirano
> 
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>> See below
>> 
>> (Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.)
>> 
>> -- Louis Suárez-Potts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-05-23, at 9:55, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Shane,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the links.
>>> It's good.  I like it.
>> 
>> What do you like?
>> 
>>> :)
>>> Thanks,
>>> khirano
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Shane Curcuru  
>>> wrote:
>>>> In case folks haven't seen this:
>>>> 
>>>>  http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia
>>>> 
>>>> Which points to:
>>>> 
>>>>  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing
>>>> 
>>>> So it looks like there will be plenty of code sharing! 8->
>>>> 
>>>> - Shane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> khir...@apache.org
>>> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-23, at 10:20 , drew wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 23:13 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
>> Hi Louis,
>> 
>> We can start sharing codes.
> 
> That is not really what it says, nor what it means IMO.

Quite.


> 
> With regard to the MPL specifically, I asked during a session on
> licensing at the recent Apache Barcamp the question of mixing MPL within
> an Apache project, it was clear from the response that this is not a
> reasonable expectation.

My take, too, though I remain optimistic that there may be avenues that can be 
explored to allow this. But the language of the pages is not, as I mentioned, 
encouraging.

Louis
> 
> //drew
> 
>> I like it.
>> :)
>> Thanks,
>> khirano
>> 
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  
>> wrote:
>>> See below
>>> 
>>> (Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.)
>>> 
>>> -- Louis Suárez-Potts
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-23, at 9:55, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Shane,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the links.
>>>> It's good.  I like it.
>>> 
>>> What do you like?
>>> 
>>>> :)
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> khirano
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Shane Curcuru  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> In case folks haven't seen this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which points to:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Relicensing
>>>>> 
>>>>> So it looks like there will be plenty of code sharing! 8->
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Shane
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> khir...@apache.org
>>>> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: LibreOffice relicensing efforts

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

LO(L).

Lots of Love,
Louis


On 2012-05-23, at 15:58 , Donald Whytock wrote:

> Um, guys?  As this concerns a LibreOffice webpage over which the AOO
> committers largely have no control, is it better to have this argument
> here or on a LibreOffice-related list?
> 
> Don

Re: "Some of our contributors" page

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
On 2012-05-24, at 20:58 , Rob Weir wrote:

> It would be great if we could keep this page up-to-date:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html
> 
> New committers especially should add their info here.  It is good
> "first commit" you can make.   You can do it via SVN or using the CMS
> web interface:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/developer-faqs.html#how_do_i_edit_the_websites

Would it make sense to have a standardized reminder of things to do? I'm 
thinking using Doodle or Taskforce (I think that requires money) or free 
reminder services (even OpenProjity). The idea would be, say, to draft a 
checklist of things to do and then be nagged by mindless electrons, all in a 
good cause.

-louis

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Rob

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-23, at 12:21 , Andrew Rist wrote:

> As part of the transfer of the web properties of OOo to the ASF, the set of 
> related domains has also been offered to ASF.
> We (PPMC) need to decide what we want to do with the related domains.  There 
> are three obvious options available to us:
> 
> * Ignore and let the domains expire
> * Continue to register to block squatting, but do no more
> * Continue to register and forward to oo.o


As I have mentioned more than once, I seem to own openoffice.ca and would be 
willing to contribute it (or whatever one does) to AOO. In general, 
historically we have approached the owners of such sites and asked them to work 
with the community. 

Louis

> 
> 
> And...
> Just to make things more complex, I've grouped the domains into two groups.  
> similar-domains, nls-domains.
> What are peoples' thought on what to do with each group??
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> 
> similar-domains
> 
>   www-open-office.org ooo3.orgtestopenoffice.org  
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
> 
> nls-domains
> 
>   openoffice-pt.com   openoffice-pl.com   openoffice-nl.com
>   openoffice-fr.com
>   openoffice09fr.com  openoffice-gratuit.com  de-openoffice.org
>   deopenoffice.org
>   de-openoffice.com   deopenoffice.comes-openoffice.com
>   esopenoffice.com
>   fr-openoffice.com   fropenoffice.comit-openoffice.com
>   itopenoffice.com
>   en-openoffice.org   enopenoffice.orges-openoffice.org
>   esopenoffice.org
>   fr-openoffice.org   it-openoffice.org   itopenoffice.org
>   nl-openoffice.org
>   nlopenoffice.org
>   
>   
> 
> 
> 

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-25, at 20:34 , Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> 2012/5/25 Louis Suárez-Potts 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-05-23, at 12:21 , Andrew Rist wrote:
>> 
>>> As part of the transfer of the web properties of OOo to the ASF, the set
>> of related domains has also been offered to ASF.
>>> We (PPMC) need to decide what we want to do with the related domains.
>> There are three obvious options available to us:
>>> 
>>> * Ignore and let the domains expire
>>> * Continue to register to block squatting, but do no more
>>> * Continue to register and forward to oo.o
>> 
>> 
>> As I have mentioned more than once, I seem to own openoffice.ca and would
>> be willing to contribute it (or whatever one does) to AOO. In general,
>> historically we have approached the owners of such sites and asked them to
>> work with the community.
>> 
>> 
> +1
> 
> The better option.
> 
> There are many alternatives. I don't like very much and confuse me.

Likewise. I prefer very simple and when possible friendly solutions. Only if 
the rose of friendship is crushed should we show our thorns. But in general 
what I would rather have is that for all similar to AOO domains a) pointing to 
AOO proper, and if needed, the NL projects, and b) hosting, as mirrors, code, 
binaries, documents, if that is desired.

There is a third point. One reason I tacitly enabled and even silently promoted 
the development of these satellites was to promote the global ecosystems that 
implicitly support OO by providing support, etc. Thus, I'd be in favour of 
proposing a model where a domain that reflects "openoffice" and is used in 
behalf of the wider community, be promoted. The only things to stipulate would 
be, I imagine, that any binaries or code offered as representing or identical 
to AOO *be* such; and that any representations of or on behalf of AOO be in 
keeping with Apache's ethos. That said, should it be the case then, that there 
is no need for such satellites and that they only serve to confuse, then, of 
course, we simply say, no—to this proposal, to the satellites, unless there is 
a good reason for them.

But I think as long as the freedom described above is not confusing and does 
not lead to deception, that it will only actually help the expansion of the 
communities.

We do need robust ecosystems.

Louis


> 
> Albino

Re: AOO 2 million?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-25, at 21:09 , Rob Weir wrote:

> So  maybe we just make a smaller announcement, via
> ooo-dev/ooo-users and social media for the 2 million mark, when we
> actually hit it.  Then for the larger Symphony announcement we also
> note the 1 year achievement as well as give an updated download count,
> 2.5 or 3.0 million, depending on when that is ready for release.


+1
But I'd also ping the various journalists, to show them and thus the world, 
that AOO is not a flash in the pan, not fools' gold but the Real Thing, to 
which value can be added and even without that, used as valued.
f
Louis

Re: [WWW] What to do with OOo related domains?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-26, at 11:10 , Shane Curcuru wrote:

> Sun allowed them to operate.

It wasn't Sun. Sun and Oracle, for that matter, didn't even really turn a blind 
eye. For most of its history with OOo/SO, Sun couldn't care less and when it 
did notice bad actors (defrauders, scammers, etc.) it acted to suppress: it 
wanted to do that with the first NL satellite, the French StarOffice support 
project maintained by G. in France. It was actually only by converting (or not, 
there were many failures) the bad to the good or indifferent (vis., the CDROM 
sites) that I was able to move such outcropping reefs to friendlier berms.

What I would propose is to formalize the process of inclusion as Shane 
suggested. I tried this with OOo but Sun was loath to embark upon this course.

Louis

Re: AOO 3.4 downloads by language and country

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Thanks, this is quite useful.

Louis


On 2012-05-28, at 16:12 , Rob Weir wrote:

> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Hagar Delest  
> wrote:
>> My bad!
>> Have been misled by some entries with just 2 downloads but still in the top
>> 10 of the related flavor.
>> 
> 
> I just checked in my script in case anyone is interested in generating
> the full list of countries by language:
> 
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/devtools/aoo-stats/countries.py
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Thanks for the reminder.
>> 
>> Hagar
>> 
>> 
>> Le lun. 28 mai 2012 15:45:34 CEST, Rob Weir  a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Hagar Delest 
>>> wrote:
 
 Le dim. 27 mai 2012 03:13:51 CEST, Rob Weir  a écrit
 :
 
 
> ===en-US===
> United States,362076
> United Kingdom,67711
> Canada,39174
> India,29516
> Australia,24010
> Sweden,11607
> Romania,11340
> Poland,10692
> Indonesia,9264
> Germany,8970
 
 
 
 Strange, there is no download from France for the en-US version.
 There should be mine at least :-)
 Are there some other similar cases?
 
>>> 
>>> If was further download on the list, not in the top 10.  But here is
>>> the top 30 for the en_US install downloads:
>>> 
>>> United States,362076
>>> United Kingdom,67711
>>> Canada,39174
>>> India,29516
>>> Australia,24010
>>> Sweden,11607
>>> Romania,11340
>>> Poland,10692
>>> Indonesia,9264
>>> Germany,8970
>>> Malaysia,8794
>>> Singapore,7448
>>> Italy,7329
>>> Philippines,7322
>>> South Africa,7212
>>> Thailand,6519
>>> Norway,6405
>>> New Zealand,5692
>>> France,5275
>>> Ireland,4804
>>> Netherlands,4265
>>> Viet Nam,3925
>>> Greece,3825
>>> Turkey,3606
>>> Spain,3320
>>> China,3313
>>> Hong Kong,3118
>>> Russia,3061
>>> Estonia,3013
>>> Bulgaria,2926
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Hagar
 
>> 

Mirrors [Was: Re: [o...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de: [postmas...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de: Benachrichtigung über den Übermittlungsstatus]]

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi All,
j
On 2012-05-29, at 02:49 , Carsten Otto wrote:

> Dear anyone,
> 
> another week has passed without any response. Please take care of this
> issue!

Exclamation marks aside, this issue ought to be corrected and probably could be 
done expeditiously, though not by me. Tora is no longer associated with AOO, as 
far as I know, and if he is, the @oo.org is probably not operational. I'm 
fairly sure we do have the mirror information laid out for all to adopt—?

Louis


> 
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:12:44PM +0200, Carsten Otto wrote:
>> Dear Apache guys,
>> 
>> regarding the issue discussed below (and in other mails with) I still
>> did not get any official response, so far. Please change that!
>> 
>> Annoyed regards,
>> Carsten Otto
>> 
>> - Forwarded message from Carsten Otto  
>> -
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 10:28:37 +0200
>> From: Carsten Otto 
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: FTP 
>> Subject: [postmas...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de: Benachrichtigung über den 
>> Übermittlungsstatus]
>> 
>> Dear whoever reads this,
>> 
>> I experience problems when mirroring from the (old) openoffice archive.
>> The contact address t...@openoffice.org is not valid anymore (see
>> below), so I hope this is the place to reach someone who can fix the
>> problem or tell us what to do.
>> 
>> Diagnostic-code: smtp;550 Apache OpenOffice no longer relays openoffice.org
>> mail.  See
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#legacy-openofficeorg-lists
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Carsten
>> 
>> Original message:
>> -
>> Hi,
>> 
>> the following error occurs when synchronizing with
>> rsync://rsync.services.openoffice.org/openoffice-extended/ whenever this
>> resolves to 212.101.4.244.
>> 
>> Bye,
>> Carsten
>> 
>> - Forwarded message from cars...@c-otto.de -
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 10:17:54 +0200 (CEST)
>> From: cars...@c-otto.de
>> To: datafe...@ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de
>> Subject: [ftpsync-openoffice-ftp@ftp] (25137) rsync ERROR on 
>> 2012.05.07-10:17:54
>> 
>> @ERROR: chroot failed
>> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1524) 
>> [Receiver=3.0.7]
>> 
>> 
>> - End forwarded message -
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carsten Otto   o...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de
> LuFG Informatik 2  http://verify.rwth-aachen.de/otto/
> RWTH Aachenphone: +49 241 80-21211

Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-30, at 11:05 , Pedro Giffuni wrote:

> 
> I will do this next week. I will probably use Apache extras and
> at a later time we could leave there the old GPL'd stuff too
> (unsupported of course).
> 
> Pedro.


A good solution, i'd guess, and thanks. but this leaves the obvious question, 
of timing and roadmaps (or equivalent). I'm not rushing or nagging, just 
curious.

Louis

Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-05-31, at 10:09 , drew wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
>> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
>>> http://www.oooninja.com/
>>> It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was ever
>>> maintained by  Andrew Ziem  (
>>> az...@openoffice.org).
>>> I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe we can
>>> take it back, and post our news/articles there.
>> 
>> It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
>> nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
>> appropriate for, or related to, here.
>> 
>> Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
> 
> Hi again,
> 
> 
> As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
> resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
> think of.

At least. Actually, "precedent' is a glorification of series of mistakes and 
oopses, but in the end, the conclusion, which I think antedated the formation 
of the Community Council, I and a few others came to was*:

|| private sites voluntarily donated and maintained unless publicly backed by 
policy and institution representatives (i.e., the OOo community council, at the 
time; now, the PMC), are always more vulnerable than those arranged for by 
contract, simply because the latter works to secure the future and eliminate 
the uncertainty of the market, at least in theory, if not always in practice, 
of course.

|| any donated site (whatever that means), must comply with the policy (or come 
up with a better one that the governing body can adopt), and part of that 
policy really ought to have provisions for hand-over. 

*  [We—mostly Sun/Hamburg--never implemented these points in full b/c of 
corporate resistance and never really scripted them; they existed more as 
conversations, and that's a pity. The consequences of that failure of policy 
writing can be seen here and there. ]

My take is that little is lost by having policy guidelines and if those 
guidelines need amendment or outright expunging, fine: do it. No policy ought 
to be thought of as cut into stone—that's what makes it a policy and not a law 
or even commandment.

Of course, any policy pertaining to something like the Ninja site or any other 
promotional site personally maintained ought to be, logically, consistent with 
any mirrors site or any other public site representing OOo, yes?


> 
> I have a recent email address for Andrew and will contact him - will let
> the list know what if anything comes of that.

Thanks
Louis
> 
> 
> //drew
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
>>> article,
>>> which is already gone.
>> 
>> Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
>> 
>>> I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
>>> unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
>>> Just a suggestion. :-)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Chen Ying
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: What to do with the Czech homepage?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-02, at 18:37 , Marcus (OOo) wrote:

> 
> @Pavel: Could you sheet some light on the cz webpage? What do you think?

Should Pavel be disinclined to update these—I have no reason to think he would 
be, and he's been involved with OOo and AOO for about as long as I—the Czech 
community related to open source, open standards and ODF is, or used to be, 
strong. Put another way, I do have acquaintances there who might be interested 
in participating. But Pavel knows all of them.

Louis

Re: Looking for an old file

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 4 June 2012 13:09, drew jensen  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> At one time there was a brochure focused on recruiting folks to come
> work on the project, it was in Spanish IIRC.
>
> The file name as ManualVoluntarioAF.odg
>
> Anyone have a local copy of that?

My guess is that Alexandro or Richard H. might. It's also possible it
was rolled up into a tarball as part of the CollabNet site--?
Louis
>
> Thanks,
>
> //drew
>

Re: MSO on ipad in November

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-03, at 18:01 , Raphael Bircher wrote:

> It's all a question of the money.
> 
> Am 03.06.12 23:50, schrieb Ian Lynch:
>> http://read.bi/LdKYRD
>> 
>> How easy to package AOO for Android and iPad?

At the recent ODF Plugfest in Brussels we discussed the state of the art, esp. 
for ODF editors and viewers for iOS. Briefly:

Now: 

* With rollApp (www.rollapp.com) one can access OpenOffice via HTML5. It's beta 
and for speed the closer to the servers one is, the faster. But it works. 
Servers are in the US, but I tried it out in Brussels using a German server and 
it was quite usable, meaning that it was speedy enough to do work. With an 
ancillary keyboard, I could do work—not my preferred environment for complex 
work, but quite good enough. This, again, was or is for devices able to run 
HTML5, in this case, iOS.

Very soon:

* KO.GmbH (think KOffice and I suppose Calligra) have an ODF viewer for iOS. 
They informed us that with little effort an editor for ODF will be available. 
It won't be a complete editor but will be native and will have enough to 
satisfy the needs one might have. A typical need, at least for now: Someone 
sends me an ODF file and I cannot open it or if I can, I cannot edit it, and I 
am not near a device that can. This would answer that need.

* Other unmade entities are working on more complete iOS solutions that would 
provide editing capability. The timeline for that? I cannot say. But it is the 
case that, after *years* of clamour—shouting in the wilderness?—one can see 
some action. The issue was not just money, as RB writes, it was really future 
money. That is, until very recently, it was thought inconceivable that 
enterprise users would want to use the iPad for anything other than afterwork 
entertainment or casual note taking. That is no longer the case. 

Meanwhile, we read that MSFT is likely to come out with an Office solution 
(right word?) for iOS and that quite a few others are working OOXML editors. 
The intensity of those efforts ought to prove interesting watching—and also 
costly using. 

Why am I interested in this issue? There are going to be billions more coming 
to ICT. I would rather they have the option of using open source software on 
devices like tablets, which use fewer resources to make, run, manage; and which 
are likely even to last longer than desktops. 

The goal I have is to integrate, whenever possible, mobile phones (not even 
smart) with meshed (P2P) systems that include desktops as well as mobile 
tablets, all running open source (or at the least, open standards) productivity 
software.


Louis

Re: 3,027,168 downloads

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,

On 2012-06-06, at 11:29 , Rory O'Farrell wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 09:57:52 -0400
> Donald Harbison  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> 
>>> We hit 3 million early this morning.
>>> 
>> 
>> Onwards!
>> 
>> This is great to see.
> 
> The sidebar link on the main landing page 
> http://www.openoffice.org/
> ought be updated.  It is still reporting 1 Million downloads!

Hey, nothing wrong with nostalgia :-)

But yeah, let's not help our detractors *too* much.

BTW, having witnessed the way in which OOo downloads increased not only as the 
application improved (thanks) but also as more used it, making it safer for 
others to try it and for public sectors to adopt it (gov't, schools, etc.), the 
curve only will get steeper. I expect too that those who have forestalled 
installing competitors or who have delayed the migration they've been wanting 
until they could see whether OO as reinvigorated in Apache was real, are now 
getting ready to install the suite. So, over the next month I would not be 
surprised to see even greater numbers.

And all this means that ecosystems supporting those new and old-time users need 
to get in gear.

Louis


> 
> 
> -- 
> Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Approaching 5M downloads

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-19, at 13:37 , Rob Weir wrote:

> We're at 4,922,774.  So we should hit 5M late tonight or early
> tomorrow morning (UTC).
> 
> I'll work on a blog post highlighting that milestone and give a
> general update on what we are working on.
> 
> After that I plan to stop reporting on each 1M increment.  They come
> too quickly.  Maybe an update every 5M in the future?

Perhaps issue a graphic, too: the curve seems to be steepening.

Louis

> 
> -Rob

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-18, at 09:43 , Dave Fisher wrote:

> 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Peter Junge  wrote:
>>> Looks like this thread didn't continue. Maybe because other topics that
>>> started a bit later were interfering.
>> 
>> Let's see if we can revamp it, here and now.
>> 
>>> It's very unlike that I will be able to attend in person, but you can count
>>> me in if you need reviewers for the call for papers.
>> 
>> As soon as we'll start to promote the event we might customize the
>> Apache OpenOffice displayed in the SourceForge top carousel (see
>> http://sourceforge.net/directory) to inform our audience about the
>> event.
>> 
>> How do you like the idea?
> 
> I like the idea very much.
> 

Likewise. 

Louis
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
>> 
>> Roberto
>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/9/2012 3:11 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:
 
 We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a
 conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in
 Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled  an outline together on the wiki [1].
 
 This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality,
 now is the time to volunteer.
 
 Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off
 on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm
 and
 the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note
 that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with
 the broader conference as well. Share and share alike!
 
 I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by
 Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I
 believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it
 takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed
 committee
 list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'.
 
 This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its
 country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you
 are
 too. Please engage and make this happen.
 
 [1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp*
 
>>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 

Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-19, at 21:26 , Sam Ruby wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison  wrote:
>> 
>> Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ?
> 
> The funds have not been received.
> 
> If it would help if we sent out an invoice, let me know (off-list)
> what should be on the invoice, and I will generate one.

Thanks, Sam. Probably Ross would be the person to talk to about this.

louis
> 
> - Sam Ruby

Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Don,

On 2012-06-20, at 10:46 , Donald Harbison wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison > 
>> Don,
>> Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen
>> out of the loop a bit.
>> 
> 
> Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we
> close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I
> don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to
> conclude the transaction.
> See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard.
> 

The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has 
concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been 
received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross.

From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least 
regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the 
funds is up to us.

Louis


> 
>> 
>> Wolf
>> 
>> --
>> This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com
>> Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org
>> Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org
>> Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
>> 

Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
On 2012-06-20, at 13:06 , Kay Schenk wrote:

> I am using "lazy consensus" to put out an updated copy of:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/
> 
> A draft is here:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ
> 
> Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page?
> 
> Also, assuming that the current
> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/
> 
> is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the "Distribution" link back on
> the
> main download page?

yes. But "distribution" is a little vague. Initially, I'd called it, "Community 
Distribution." Equally vague?

Louis


> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK

Re: [EVENT] OSCON?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
On 2012-06-21, at 10:56 , Donald Harbison wrote:

> Is anyone planning on attending OSCON 2012 in Portland Oregon, July 16 -
> 20?  http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012
> It'd be great to know if the project will have any representation there.

I'll be there, too, but was not planning on presenting on AOO directly. I'm 
also to be at the pre-conference unconference Community Leadership Summit.

One thing that Oscon does make possible is "Birds of a Feather" (BoF).  Also, 
meet ups. Usually, these are only of interest for coders. That is to say, if I 
were to convene one, I'm sure everyone who would otherwise be intrigued would 
find something else more convenient to do.

At least wrt coding.

Wrt to, say, the new AOO and what it spells for OO, there might be a some 
interest, but what would be gained, really? On the other hand, I (or Ross, I 
guess) could arrange for some AOO-focused media interviews. Those are useful. 
If so, I'd ask to have a few things to relay to the media. These could be 
mentioned on the blog.

-louis

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

On 2012-06-26, at 17:01 , Rory O'Farrell wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:47:00 -0400
> Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
>> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
>> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
>> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
>> http://www.wordle.net/
>> 
>> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png
>> 
>> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
>> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
>> 
>> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
> 
> The prominence of Paperback might suggest that it is being used for book 
> layout, which it does very well, within the limits that it is not a 
> specialised DTP program.

actually, I was thinking that the Twitter Word Cloud could make a nifty 
presentation background, too.

Louis


> 
> -- 
> Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-06-26, at 15:47 , Rob Weir wrote:

> I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then
> removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/.  (If they
> were left in they would dominate over the other terms).  I then
> created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet:
> http://www.wordle.net/
> 
> Here's what I got:   http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png
> 
> This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with
> OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations.
> 
> What does it mean?  I dunno.  You tell me.
> 
> -Rob


Looking further into this and seeing how the cloud is generated, I would be 
interested in seeing how it looks in, say, Chinese, or other 
non-US/Roman-script languages.

Louis

Re: www.BrOffice.org -- does anyone have a contact?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 2012-07-05, at 17:52 , Rob Weir wrote:

> http://www.broffice.org/
> 
> Website has a nice link on the home page for AOO, but it goes to the
> dev snapshot wiki page.  It would be much better to point to
> http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Rob

Yes.
I can raise this with the BrOffice people at fisl, too. I've been in regular 
communication with some of the former leads. 
-louis

Re: www.BrOffice.org -- does anyone have a contact?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

I contacted him already

Brief and mobile

- louis

On 2012-07-06, at 3:45, "Jürgen Schmidt"  wrote:

> On 7/5/12 11:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> http://www.broffice.org/
>>
>> Website has a nice link on the home page for AOO, but it goes to the
>> dev snapshot wiki page.  It would be much better to point to
>> http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
>>
>
> I think Claudio Filho can help here
>
> Juergen
>
>

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

André,
Do we have an account of the difficulties encountered by the
localizers of OOo language packs and related data? As to Rob's point,
I think a relevant issue is that in translations such as those
required by localizations, the word chosen to translate the original
is an interpretation, and its quality (value) depends on the skill of
the localizer.

Or so I understand.

Louis

On 7 November 2011 11:20, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Olivier R.  wrote:
>> Le 07/11/2011 16:53, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>
>>> Why would Apache care about that?
>>
>> Maybe just because you are an Apache member and you make a strong statement
>> on an Apache list about FLOSS you are willing to bundle in your software.
>> I’d prefer an official statement about this point, if you don’t mind.
>>
>
> I think it would be obvious to a cabbage that no one is going to
> recognize copyright claims on things that cannot be validly claimed
> under copyright law.  It is also clear that the determination of this
> for any specific artifact, like a specific spell checking dictionary
> would require detailed analysis.  Since Apache does not hand out free
> legal advice, I don't think you will get an official response to your
> hypothetical question.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Olivier
>>
>

Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Rob, probably I am a cabbage, but kings do make odd laws and so my
query was not about logic and your opinion but about what we have
actually encountered in the doing of this. OOo has been engaged in
this activity for 10 yeas, and André for much of that time has been
deeply involved. So my question is: what have we learned in this
matter?

Louis

On 7 November 2011 11:43, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>> André,
>> Do we have an account of the difficulties encountered by the
>> localizers of OOo language packs and related data? As to Rob's point,
>> I think a relevant issue is that in translations such as those
>> required by localizations, the word chosen to translate the original
>> is an interpretation, and its quality (value) depends on the skill of
>> the localizer.
>>
>
> And creating a catalog of birds observed in a park also requires
> skill.  But that does not make it a creative work.
>
> Compare the following catalogs:
>
> A phone book:
>
> Abel, George W, 212-332-3294
> Abel, Thomas S. 212-433-2322
>
> etc.
>
> A catalog of weather observations:
>
> 1970-12-01, Boston, 42.3, 18.2, 5, NE
> 1970-12-02, Miami, 74.2,  52.6, 10, SW
>
> A list of biographical information:
>
> Napoleon Bonaparte, French, 1769-1821
> Frederick the Great, German, 1712-1786
>
> A tagged list of words in a language:
>
> agricola, agricolae (m) (noun)
> amo, amare, amavi, amatus sum (verb)
>
> These are all just lists of facts. You might try to claim a copyright
> on the particular selection and arrangement of these facts, but the
> underlying facts cannot be protected.  So, for example, some could
> extract (reverse engineer) the underlying facts from the work, and
> arrange them differently or with a different selection, and it would
> be perfectly fine.  Copyright does not protect the underlying facts,
> no matter how hard it was for someone to collect the facts to to type
> them in.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Or so I understand.
>>
>> Louis
>>
>> On 7 November 2011 11:20, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Olivier R.  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Le 07/11/2011 16:53, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Why would Apache care about that?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe just because you are an Apache member and you make a strong statement
>>>> on an Apache list about FLOSS you are willing to bundle in your software.
>>>> I’d prefer an official statement about this point, if you don’t mind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it would be obvious to a cabbage that no one is going to
>>> recognize copyright claims on things that cannot be validly claimed
>>> under copyright law.  It is also clear that the determination of this
>>> for any specific artifact, like a specific spell checking dictionary
>>> would require detailed analysis.  Since Apache does not hand out free
>>> legal advice, I don't think you will get an official response to your
>>> hypothetical question.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

The Old OOo Site

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
I periodically (read: every day) receive requests from OOo community
members and OOo users to fix, alter or otherwise change the OOo site
(www.openoffice.org). These requests include such things as expunging
private information as well as normal updates.

As we all know, the old OOo site is pretty much in the past, and we
are progressively moving to the new.

But: I'd like to have some more concrete information to provide, and
ideally, be able to address the requests, too.

Thanks
Louis <-the person formerly known as the OOo Community Manager

Hello again….

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi all,
It's been quite a while, but I am coming out of lurking. I wanted to
see the new OOo community develop, and also had to get my own business
in order. Being intermittent in one's participation is not the best
strategy.

I've been keeping up with the discussions, and really have to applaud
the entire team, especially Rob and Dennis, whom I communicate with on
the ODF lists and calls, for their terrific public work on behalf of
the effort. Thanks.

And I'd like to help in that continuing process of communication.
There are a few obvious areas, I think. One is communicating to
would-be contributor companies which want to use trademarked
materials, such as the logo of OpenOffice.org, on their products;
another would be to further clarify how and where contributors can
work on, say, extensions, but also templates and localizations. And
then there's the ODF. We did this all—provide information—when OOo was
just getting going, and we continued doing it throughout its first
lifetime. Well….

Cheers,

Louis

Re: The Old OOo Site

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 8 November 2011 11:49, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I periodically (read: every day) receive requests from OOo community
>> members and OOo users to fix, alter or otherwise change the OOo site
>> (www.openoffice.org). These requests include such things as expunging
>> private information as well as normal updates.
>>
>> As we all know, the old OOo site is pretty much in the past, and we
>> are progressively moving to the new.
>>
>> But: I'd like to have some more concrete information to provide, and
>> ideally, be able to address the requests, too.
>>
>
> Hopefully there is not a lot of personal information on the public
> website.

There is not. We at OOo also had a high bar—OOo site was predicated on
the Apache model, and that's no coincidence: Brian B. had a hand in
both. However, personal info does creep in when people erroneously
post their private information, such as phone numbers, to public
lists, unaware—!!— just how public the lists are.

 But this does happen, with mailing list archives, for
> example.  Apache has a policy for this.  It essentially sets a high
> bar for removing information from public archives:
>
> http://apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>
> For other information on the website, I'd recommend having them enter
> an issue in Bugzilla, classified as the "www" product.  Hopefully
> we'll be cutting over to the new Apache-hosted version of these pages
> soon, and we can apply requested changes then.

Rob, you don't get just how naive some of the users of OOo are and how
naive even those posting to the lists were. Perhaps you are unaware of
how popular OOo remains? Few of these users would even know how to
file an issue.

>
> Of course, if there is something of a truly urgent nature, then
> escalate that, via ooo-private if appropriate.

I am referring to www.openoffice.org/ You have not answered the
question—but I didn't think you could. The point is double:

1. Can I alter the old site, www.openoffice.org/
2. When will the old site fully migrate to the new, and when that
happens, what sort of content control would I (or someone like me)
have?

thanks
louis


>
>> Thanks
>> Louis <-the person formerly known as the OOo Community Manager
>>
>

Re: The Old OOo Site

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

On 8 November 2011 15:52, eric b  wrote:
>
> Le 8 nov. 11 à 17:38, Louis Suárez-Potts a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>> I periodically (read: every day) receive requests from OOo community
>> members and OOo users to fix, alter or otherwise change the OOo site
>> (www.openoffice.org). These requests include such things as expunging
>> private information as well as normal updates.
>>
>> As we all know, the old OOo site is pretty much in the past, and we are
>> progressively moving to the new.
>>
>> But: I'd like to have some more concrete information to provide, and
>> ideally, be able to address the requests, too.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Louis <-the person formerly known as the OOo Community Manager
>
>
>
> The previous "Community management" was a total mess. I hope we will not
> redo the same errors.
>

I'll almost ignore the implied insult. It's irrelevant and beside the
point. I am not being paid at all to do what I did before, which was
to do the impossible, of representing both corporate interests and
community desires and trying to reconcile and move ahead productively.

Rather, as my post ought to suggest, I am simply interested in helping
out those who are still posting requests to me, and certainly would be
quite interested in helping those who are doing work on the new site.

This is a new project, for all I can see, and its "management" (a term
more or less unused and undefined and unwanted in Apache-land,
afaict)—is really up to those who are doing things. I personally would
really rather like to see new things arise from this new effort and
new community esprit de corps evolve, not tired, bickering legacy
things.

Louis
>
> Eric Bachard
>
>
> --
> qɔᴉɹə
> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>
>
>
>
>
>