date:20010928

In a message dated 9/28/2001 3:42:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ja...@gatorzw.com writes:

 Subj:CSRising to the Challenge?
 Date:9/28/2001 3:42:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:ja...@gatorzw.com (Jan Carew)
 Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com (silver list post)

 Why hasn't Terri's list contribution stirred up some discussion? (See below 
 if you missed it)

 Come on, you knowledgeable folk, why aren't you rising to the challenge?

Jan: Because anyone who has been around the block a few times knows full well 
that you're not going to beat the establishment playing by their rules on 
their own turf. Roger

Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

In a message dated 9/28/2001 7:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
apea...@midcoast.com writes:

 Subj:RE: CSRising to the Challenge?
 Date:9/28/2001 7:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:apea...@midcoast.com (JudytheK)
 Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 RE: Quackbuster types. I mailed a bottle of CS to a friend in PA. She had
 been treated without success for 11 months by her surgeon for a post-op
 open-wound infection at the incision site. She was healed after topical use
 for 3 days. The doctor now recommends CS to all his patients for use on his
 incisions for 3 days!
 I don't know whether it speaks ill of the doc's cleanliness.  More likely
 the problem is in the hospital. My point is that you change medical minds
 one person at a time. That is the true challenge and the true answer -- and
 it is slowly happening, I believe.
 One way to change minds is to say yes when accused accurately.  Argyria?
 YES with silver protein, never with CS gets people to listen. One person
 at a time.
 Judy Down Maine

Judy: I couldn't agree more, but it takes a maverick doctor to use an 
unauthorized medication just because it happens to work. God bless the REAL 
doctors. Roger

Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

2001-09-28 Thread Arthur Rambo

Very good point, Judy. 
 BTW, I was cut by a piece of roofing slate on the arm last week. Poured
CS into the fairly deep wound(almost needed stitches) and pulled it back
together with tape; two weeks later, it looks like a minor scratch had
taken place. 


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CSIons vs Particles

2001-09-28 Thread K E Nolan

As a newcomer to the less-than-simple CS scene, I have been intrigued over the 
recent debating involving Messrs Quinto, Key, and Anderson - ions or particles 
- which are best in vivo? Perhaps there is another aspect that might alter the 
equation (including the solubility product equations Roger Altman has laid out 
for all). Just came across one web site promoting ionic silver

 http://www.feel21.com/cgi-bin/feel21/11221.html

that claims the real key to long lived silver ions in the body is complexing, 
in their case with citrate (plus potassium; ie potassium citrate?). Perhaps 
that might equally effect biodelivery for particles as well. Any 
knowledgeable folks with an opinion?

sincerely, Kevin Nolan

RE: CSRising to the Challenge?

2001-09-28 Thread JudytheK

Roger -- according to my friend, this was the most UNmaverick doc she's ever
been to (she's 67.)
She was astonished by his apparent switch.Of course that's subjective, but
doesn't change the circumstances.
Judy Down Maine
  -Original Message-
  From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:06 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

  In a message dated 9/28/2001 7:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
apea...@midcoast.com writes:

Subj:RE: CSRising to the Challenge?
Date:9/28/2001 7:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:apea...@midcoast.com (JudytheK)
Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com
To:silver-list@eskimo.com

RE: Quackbuster types. I mailed a bottle of CS to a friend in PA. She
had
been treated without success for 11 months by her surgeon for a post-op
open-wound infection at the incision site. She was healed after topical
use
for 3 days. The doctor now recommends CS to all his patients for use on
his
incisions for 3 days!
I don't know whether it speaks ill of the doc's cleanliness.  More
likely
the problem is in the hospital. My point is that you change medical
minds
one person at a time. That is the true challenge and the true answer --
and
it is slowly happening, I believe.
One way to change minds is to say yes when accused accurately.
Argyria?
YES with silver protein, never with CS gets people to listen. One
person
at a time.
Judy Down Maine

  Judy: I couldn't agree more, but it takes a maverick doctor to use an
unauthorized medication just because it happens to work. God bless the
REAL doctors. Roger

RE: CSRising to the Challenge?

2001-09-28 Thread Quietcove

Wasn't CS FDA approved in 1936 Roger?

qc
  -Original Message-
  From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:24 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

  In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:00:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
apea...@midcoast.com writes:

Roger -- according to my friend, this was the most UNmaverick doc she's
ever been to (she's 67.)
She was astonished by his apparent switch.Of course that's subjective,
but doesn't change the circumstances.
Judy Down Maine

  Judy: Well, action speaks louder than words. I had a CS discussion with a
physician end when he told me that would never even consider using any
medication that was not approved by the FDA. Roger

Re: CSPyramid etc. South Florida

2001-09-28 Thread Harsha Godavari

Chris:
  I seem to have missed the earlier message..What book is this you are
referring below?
Regards
Harsha Godavari

chris.osborne wrote:

 I hope you   enjoy the book  it gets really interesting from chapter IV
 Passage to the tomb that's the one  900+ feet below all those written about
 regards
 Chris

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Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:38:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
quiet...@midcoast.com writes:


 Wasn't CS FDA approved in 1936 Roger?
  
 qc
 

QC: Oh, if it were that simple. There have been at least two additional CS 
pronouncements from the FDA since that time. I believe the latest one was in 
Sept. of '99. Suffice it to say they have been closing, not opening, the door 
on CS access. Check the archives for further info. Perhaps some knowledgeable 
Lister can summarize the relevant facts, or knows where to find a good 
summary of them. I know that Bruce Marx of CS Pro has been quite active and 
his website is chock full of FDA info. Roger

RE: CSIons vs Particles

Kevin,
No one we know of has done the research necessary to establish in-vivo
efficacy of any silver product let alone comparatives between them.
The product you mention is stabilized at a pH of 4.24 and is clear.  [As you
probably know, blood is 7.4].  When raised to pH7, to simulate the effect on
it of absorption in the body, the silver content precipitates and appears to
become a colloidal suspension with a broad range of particle sizes not
dissimilar to HVAC silvers we have seen.
The solubility issue is another matter.  I meant to repond to Roger's post
with the following:  we've seen and worked with products from concentrations
of 3ppm on the low side to 3,200ppm at the upper end -- the latter one of
several formulations that range to 32,000ppm. So
Stephen


  -Original Message-
  From: K E Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:28 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSIons vs Particles


  As a newcomer to the less-than-simple CS scene, I have been intrigued over
the recent debating involving Messrs Quinto, Key, and Anderson - ions or
particles - which are best in vivo? Perhaps there is another aspect that
might alter the equation (including the solubility product equations Roger
Altman has laid out for all). Just came across one web site promoting ionic
silver

   http://www.feel21.com/cgi-bin/feel21/11221.html

  that claims the real key to long lived silver ions in the body is
complexing, in their case with citrate (plus potassium; ie potassium
citrate?). Perhaps that might equally effect biodelivery for particles as
well. Any knowledgeable folks with an opinion?

  sincerely, Kevin Nolan

Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

No, the FDA was formed around that time, to stamp out remidies that
worked but did not make the pharms any money.

Marshall

Quietcove wrote:

  Wasn't CS FDA approved in 1936 Roger?qc

  -Original Message-
  From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:24 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

  In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:00:19 AM Eastern Daylight
  Time, apea...@midcoast.com writes:



  Roger -- according to my friend, this was the most
  UNmaverick doc she's ever been to (she's 67.)
  She was astonished by his apparent switch.Of course that's
  subjective, but doesn't change the circumstances.
  Judy Down Maine

  Judy: Well, action speaks louder than words. I had a CS
  discussion with a physician end when he told me that would
  never even consider using any medication that was not
  approved by the FDA. Roger

Re: CSIons vs Particles

In a message dated 9/28/2001 10:20:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:


 The solubility issue is another matter.  I meant to repond to Roger's post 
 with the following:  we've seen and worked with products from 
 concentrations of 3ppm on the low side to 3,200ppm at the upper end -- the 
 latter one of several formulations that range to 32,000ppm. So
 Stephen
 

Stephen: Perhaps you've missed the discussion -- over the last several months 
-- in which it was put forward (and apparently readily believed by most) that 
the solubility limit of ionic silver is 13 PPM. Roger

CSRe: Reid Harvey

2001-09-28 Thread Robert Berger

Reid ,

I would like to answer you directly but I never get a complete email address
for you. All that comes through is  ceram...@bol-  My URL will not accept
that.

Ole Bob
-


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Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

2001-09-28 Thread panamabob

Sometimes we wonder why allopathic Dr.s won't use CS or coconut oil or the 
multitude of seemingly successful procedures that are out there. Are they real 
Dr's looking to heal? we may ask, and rightly so, especially if it is OUR 
quality of  life on the line or even our very existence. 

But we must look in all fairness at the structure we have created for them to 
deal in. Applying anything not approved by AMA or FDA opens them to litigation 
and possible criminal liabilities. What is the risk reward factor here?  
Someone possibly gets better quicker than normal using coconut oil or CS, etc. 
Can they charge MORE for this benefit? No. Will they receive laurels from their 
esteemed colleagues? No.  Can they lose their license if by some freak accident 
the patient gets worse (perhaps not even related to the original treatment)  
YES . Can they loose their property, savings, income and more? Yes. Can they 
possibly be held criminally responsible if the patient dies, even if not 
directly related (having a good lawyer prosecuting!) Yes. Have all these things 
happened in real life? YES!

So, why should ANY Dr. put their head in a noose for CS, etc. by going against 
the status quo established? If they want to do experiments they would be in 
research, and follow the established procedures to change protocols. 

We must have understanding and patience for our Dr neighbors in the society WE 
have created (litigeous litigeous litigeous) amd be careful what we ask them to 
do and what professional risk we ask them to undertake.

sounds fair?

bob
SLF



Judy: I couldn't agree more, but it takes a maverick doctor to use an 
unauthorized medication just because it happens to work. God bless the REAL 
doctors. Roger

RE: CSRising to the Challenge?

2001-09-28 Thread Quietcove

As much as I'd like to believe that theory, the FDA was formed
due to public outcry because a company released a new cough syrup (late
1920s)
with an ethylene glycol base. After several hundred people died what
I imagine was a fairly horrible death, congress formed the FDA. Since then
the pharms have learned to very effectively manipulate the system for their
own ends.

I remember reading somewhere that CS was approved in '36, as a
proprietary solution. I'll look it up again and let you know.

qc
  -Original Message-
  From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:11 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRising to the Challenge?


  No, the FDA was formed around that time, to stamp out remidies that worked
but did not make the pharms any money.
  Marshall

  Quietcove wrote:

 Wasn't CS FDA approved in 1936 Roger?qc
  -Original Message-
  From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:24 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

  In a message dated 9/28/2001 9:00:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
apea...@midcoast.com writes:


Roger -- according to my friend, this was the most UNmaverick doc
she's ever been to (she's 67.)
She was astonished by his apparent switch.Of course that's
subjective, but doesn't change the circumstances.
Judy Down Maine
  Judy: Well, action speaks louder than words. I had a CS discussion
with a physician end when he told me that would never even consider using
any medication that was not approved by the FDA. Roger

RE: CSIons vs Particles

Thanks, Roger
guess I did.  But it is not so.  We've got formulations based on our std
10ppm product of 23ppm 34ppm and higher -- all as might be characterized as
ionic.  The truth is no doubt more complex, ie. there is 'ionic' and there
is 'ionic'.  We're working at a level of scientific inquiry that is not
fully understood. The only way we've been able to demonstrate comparative
differences in efficacy is by the in-vitro work we've been doing over the
last eighteen months.  We've been able to consistently demonstrate the
results of these differences. That's why I can only repeat: there is 'ionic'
and there is 'ionic'.  Best,
Stephen
  -Original Message-
  From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:27 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSIons vs Particles


  In a message dated 9/28/2001 10:20:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:



The solubility issue is another matter.  I meant to repond to Roger's
post with the following:  we've seen and worked with products from
concentrations of 3ppm on the low side to 3,200ppm at the upper end -- the
latter one of several formulations that range to 32,000ppm. So
Stephen



  Stephen: Perhaps you've missed the discussion -- over the last several
months -- in which it was put forward (and apparently readily believed by
most) that the solubility limit of ionic silver is 13 PPM. Roger

Re: CSRising to the Challenge?

In a message dated 9/28/2001 10:38:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
panama...@email.msn.com writes:

 Subj:Re: CSRising to the Challenge?
 Date:9/28/2001 10:38:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:panama...@email.msn.com (panamabob)
 Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 Sometimes we wonder why allopathic Dr.s won't use CS or coconut oil or the 
 multitude of seemingly successful procedures that are out there. Are they 
 real Dr's looking to heal? we may ask, and rightly so, especially if it is 
 OUR quality of  life on the line or even our very existence. 

 But we must look in all fairness at the structure we have created for them 
 to deal in. Applying anything not approved by AMA or FDA opens them to 
 litigation and possible criminal liabilities. What is the risk reward 
 factor here?  Someone possibly gets better quicker than normal using 
 coconut oil or CS, etc. Can they charge MORE for this benefit? No. Will 
 they receive laurels from their esteemed colleagues? No.  Can they lose 
 their license if by some freak accident the patient gets worse (perhaps not 
 even related to the original treatment)  YES . Can they loose their 
 property, savings, income and more? Yes. Can they possibly be held 
 criminally responsible if the patient dies, even if not directly related 
 (having a good lawyer prosecuting!) Yes. Have all these things happened in 
 real life? YES!

 So, why should ANY Dr. put their head in a noose for CS, etc. by going 
 against the status quo established? If they want to do experiments they 
 would be in research, and follow the established procedures to change 
 protocols. 

 We must have understanding and patience for our Dr neighbors in the society 
 WE have created (litigeous litigeous litigeous) amd be careful what we ask 
 them to do and what professional risk we ask them to undertake.

 sounds fair?

 bob
 SLF

SLF: Thank you for putting the physicians' problems so succinctly. Surely we 
must all share part of the blame for their present predicament. As you imply, 
the foundation of this country is based on freedom that is now very much in 
jeopardy. Huge sacrifices have been made (and continue to be made -- just 
look at the headlines) so that we may have the opportunity to experience 
freedom. If we, as individuals, are not willing to remain vigilant, become 
politically active, and take an occasional risk for the sake of our personal 
liberty then our freedom will continue to erode. Physicians must do their 
part along side the rest of us. Roger

RE: CSFeedback on list direction...

2001-09-28 Thread Ode Coyote

I have learned a great deal from the techie talk even though a lot of it
goes over my head.
 All I have to do is stand up a bit more, ey?
..and I do have a delete key
Ken


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Re: CSIons vs Particles

In a message dated 9/28/2001 10:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:


 Thanks, Roger
 guess I did.  But it is not so.  We've got formulations based on our 
 std 10ppm product of 23ppm 34ppm and higher -- all as might be 
 characterized as ionic.  The truth is no doubt more complex, ie. there is 
 'ionic' and there is 'ionic'.  We're working at a level of scientific 
 inquiry that is not fully understood.


Stephen: I think one should not be too quick to wring ones hands in despair 
by dismissing the science we have at our disposal as being inadequate to 
provide important insights. Please check my calculations. Tell me where there 
are oversimplifications, bad assumptions, or just plain mistakes. As I said 
before, ionic species are readily definable. There is no mystique surrounding 
them as far as I know. Roger

CSUser propagated computer viruses...

2001-09-28 Thread M. G. Devour

Gil forwarded:
  Subject: FW: Please Read and Forward to Everyone You Can Think of

 Rick Bachofner wrote: THOUGH SHE'S DEAD AND HAS JUST BEEN
 LOCATED, AFTER 5 YEARS, THIS LADY CONTINUES TO HAUNT US FROM HER
 SHALLOW GRAVE. GET THIS: CBS will discontinue Touched by an Angel
 for using the word God in every program. Madeline Murray O'Hare, an
 atheist, successfully managed to eliminate the use of Bible reading
 from public schools a few years ago. ... [MUNCH]

Hi Gil, list members,

I think it's a good idea to steer clear of forwarding messages like 
this to the list. 

First, this particular one raises issues of religion, which is always
a potential argument starter -- and which is specifically cited as one
of the things to avoid in the list rules.

No, you don't have to de-God everything you say, think, or feel, but
steer clear of raising or debating such issues directly. Passing
references to faith, statements of gratitude, friendly offers or 
requests for prayer are fine.

Secondly, any message that asks you to Forward to everybody you can
think of! is one that you should check out carefully. Do you have a 
source for the claims being made? Case, docket or bill numbers? Dates? 
Contact information?

Many of these are hoaxes, ill-concieved efforts, or so out of date or
far removed from their origins as to be worthless -- and no service to
your friends. They are little more than computer viruses propagated by
manipulating the feelings of their targets.

Lastly, I don't care if off topic stuff gets going here and there, 
but please be cautious of starting a thread from scratch with nothing 
to do with CS or alternative health questions, okay?

Thanks, all.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSIons vs Particles

2001-09-28 Thread Kehoe

I went to that site and am still amazed that these people have no shame in 
charging an outrageous price for a product that cost them so little to produce 
and package.

CK
  - Original Message - 
  From: K E Nolan 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:28 AM
  Subject: CSIons vs Particles

  As a newcomer to the less-than-simple CS scene, I have been intrigued over 
the recent debating involving Messrs Quinto, Key, and Anderson - ions or 
particles - which are best in vivo? Perhaps there is another aspect that might 
alter the equation (including the solubility product equations Roger Altman has 
laid out for all). Just came across one web site promoting ionic silver

   http://www.feel21.com/cgi-bin/feel21/11221.html

  that claims the real key to long lived silver ions in the body is complexing, 
in their case with citrate (plus potassium; ie potassium citrate?). Perhaps 
that might equally effect biodelivery for particles as well. Any 
knowledgeable folks with an opinion?

  sincerely, Kevin Nolan

RE: CSSilver against Viruses?

2001-09-28 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes

What about the possibility that it can attach to the molecule in a fashion
that will prevent replication?

Virons are not alive either, but CS is effective against some cases of
Hepatitis C.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver against Viruses?

CS is good at killing pathogens. Since the contageous substance in mad cow
is
not alive there is serious doubt it would be of any benefit.

Marshall

panamabob wrote:

 I wonder how it would do against mad cow ?
  perhaps a more benign treatment than burning.

 bob
 SLF
 - Original Message -
 From: duval...@aol.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: CSSilver against Viruses?

  CS will it work against Anthrax, and smallpox?
 
 
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RE: CSSilver against Viruses?

2001-09-28 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes

Several years ago, the governments claimed that smallpox was eradicated.

EXCEPT,  for some they kept for research.  They subsequently made a
genetically engineered version that is even more virulent than the natural
strains.  The Brits and US have the stuff.   I apologize for having no cite.
Who knows if anything is real?  I do recall reading this in the Santa Fe New
Mexican several years ago, and I think it was from one of the wire services.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Quietcove [mailto:quiet...@midcoast.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSSilver against Viruses?


Well that just makes me feel all warm an fuzzy inside...
Glad we have CS!

qc

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver against Viruses?


I am not aware of it being tested against smallpox, but as I am unaware of
it not working against any virus, I would be very surprised if it didn't.

I read a report some time ago that the fellow that was arrested a couple of
years ago for purchasing some anthrax cultures had bought it to test with
CS.  If I remember right, no one cared about his purchasing the anthrax
until he made it known that CS was very effective against it, at which time
he was arrested and initially charged with terrorism to completely discredit
him. The charges were later dropped after the damage was done and he had
been silenced.

Marshall

duval...@aol.com wrote:

 CS will it work against Anthrax, and smallpox?


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Re: CSOK, List, an email question from a grandmother.

2001-09-28 Thread CKing001

Judy,
If you highlight the portion you want to reference before hitting reply, it
will appear in your e-mail that you are sending and eliminate all the other
stuff. This makes organizing a snap.
You can't do anything about others that refuse to take the time to learn the
features of their mail clients except pity their lazyness and possibly nag them!

Chuck

We could really bust some heads--in a spiritual sense, of course !

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:03:12 -0400, JudytheK apea...@midcoast.com wrote:

1. When I hit reply my cursor goes automatically to the TOP of the letter,
where I type my comment, it being the latest message.
2. I also delete most of the message I'm replying to (except for relevant
stuff) and
3. delete the cs list info because I know it will be printed again.

It drives me NUTS trying to find some of your replies, hidden in text or
running at the bottom -- and sometimes unsigned.
Is there any way to standardize this or am I ** into the wind? (sailor's
talk, ya know)
Judy Down Maine


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Re: CSSilver against Viruses?

Virons are considered the lowest form of life by most.  They contain DNA and
they replicate when supplied with the appropriate environment.  They can
spontaneously change by changes in their DNA.

Marshall

James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:

 What about the possibility that it can attach to the molecule in a fashion
 that will prevent replication?

 Virons are not alive either, but CS is effective against some cases of
 Hepatitis C.

 James-Osbourne: Holmes

 -Original Message-
 From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:21 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSSilver against Viruses?

 CS is good at killing pathogens. Since the contageous substance in mad cow
 is
 not alive there is serious doubt it would be of any benefit.

 Marshall

 panamabob wrote:

  I wonder how it would do against mad cow ?
   perhaps a more benign treatment than burning.
 
  bob
  SLF
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: CSSilver against Viruses?
 
   CS will it work against Anthrax, and smallpox?
  
  
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Re: CSMild Silver Protein

2001-09-28 Thread Ode Coyote

  Filing a patent and getting one is two different animals.  Anyone can put
a patent pending sticker on something that's not already 'known' to be
patented. It's a scare tactic and marketing hype that says, don't bother
to copy this and we have something special.
 But it means nothing except that they are trying to figure out how to
patent it...maybe...and have dibs on the first crack at it...if it's possible.

 The patent office isn't very good at discernment either. A competing
company holds a patent on a product and used a very broad description that
includes any magnetic stripe input and information processing by CPU with
LCD readout.  Does every credit card reader manufacturer owe them homage?
No. Did they invent the process? No.
 If you have a computer, read a magnetic stripe and see the info on an LCD
monitor, you are using that patent.
 The patent is worthless, yet it was granted. Further, the company that
holds it knows it's worthless. If they sue for infringement, they will lose
both the case and the patent.
 Also note how many patents exist for perpetual motion machines and the
like that simply don't work.
Ken

At 06:11 PM 9/27/01 -, you wrote:
Dear Marshalee,

Quote from the Coral Site:

Patented: This is the only colloidal silver producer with a product so new
and effective that it was deemed a new product, and therefore approved for
patent by the United States Patent Agency. The New Silver Solution has the
only two patent approvals on a colloidal silver product in the last 80
years. The patent has also been filed internationally, as well as
specifically in Japan.

End of the quote.

I have the bottle and there is Patent Pendinf written on it.
I will check this out. I do not believe they lie.

Goran Sujansky
http://www.libertyconnection.net


- Original Message -
From: Marshalee Hallett liah...@utah-inter.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: CSMild Silver Protein



  Also, I would not drink SC home made from batteries. I know batteries
are
  very toxic. I use Patended CS. You may find it here:
  Regards,
  Goran

 Dear Goran,
   You don`t drink the batteries, for Pete`s sake!!
 They are outside, providing the power through the alligator clips. I`ve
made
 my CS that way for years. No problems.
 By the way, I doubt anyone has a patent on CS. An MLM would love you to
 think they do.
 Marshalee


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CSThis is worth listening to

 
http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wma/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/shows/01/09/artbell010928.asx

This is the Ed Dames interview on Art Bell from last night.

He starts at the 1:08 or so hour point.

Here are some of the things said:


   * Diseases will run rampant shortly
   * We will be getting a national id card, which will contain the Biblical
 mark of the beast.
   * There will be a stamp that must be applied to the card that will indicate
 that you have gotten a polyvarient shot, for HIV and other things, and
 this IS the mark of the Beast. (Now I understand why those who receive the
 mark end up with horrible sores, and want to die. I wonder if CS would
 kill whatever they put in the shot so it won't cause the problems)
   * We will close our borders.
   * The false prophet is TV, and the false prophet convinces everyone to
 follow the antiChrist.
   * There will be a (ground) war in the middle east, and at some point
 something happens where everyone looks up at once, then clouds surround
 the earth. Also at this time every falls down, so it is like a huge
 earthquake or pole shift.
   * 666 stands for money and the global economy and the forces behind it.

Marshall

CSSubscription change

2001-09-28 Thread wolfcreek1

Please unsubscribe me from the digest version and put me on the individual 
e-mails.  Thank you!

Happy Howling,

Julie  Critters
Wolf Creek Ranch
mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net
http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/index.html
Home of Whispering Winds Wholistic Animal Sanctuary
The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing 
it.
Don't dream a dream, live a dream and let reality sleep. ~ Enyo Johnson

Re: CSIons vs Particles

In a message dated 9/28/2001 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:

 Subj:RE: CSIons vs Particles
 Date:9/28/2001 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com (Stephen Quinto)
 Reply-to: A 
 HREF=mailto:squi...@natural-immunogenics.com;squi...@natural-immunogenics.com/A
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 Roger,
 The reason I said the fact of the matter is confounding is this:  the ionic 
 content in a formulation is not quite so simple. The ionic silver content 
 is in all likelihood complexed with whatever impurities were present in the 
 water to begin with or that it has taken from the air.  Such 
 relationships are not easily determined, if at all -- such as AgNO3 to 
 mention one specifically that is likely present in most formulations. Since 
 Nitrogen is #7 in the Atomic chart it is not really detectable even by 
 Inductively coupled Plasma Spectrophotometry although other elements [above 
 8] that can be detected might be present. 

Stephen: According to the thermodynamics of dilute solutions, the confounding 
effects of impurities such as the ones you are referring to on the activity 
coefficient of Ag+ are negligible. This fact has been demonstrated any number 
of times in simple as well as complex systems. And as long as you brought it 
up, strictly speaking, solubility product calculations are valid ONLY for 
dilute solutions. 

 How materials operate at a sub-nanometer level are full of mystery. I am 
 convinced there is some similarity with homeopathic science, where only the 
 vibrational memory of a particular presence is left in a, for example, 30x 
 dilution.  
 When using a TEM, for example, we are often able to see the effect of 
 electron bombardment on some of the materials, esp those that are neutral 
 but remain susceptible to the electrons. We've seen what look like 
 nanometer-scale chips, cut are really crystals coursing with energy in 
 patterns that resemble computer chips. 
 Anyway I'm not wringing my hands at the challenge, just having 
 difficulty finding time.

Stephen: Admittedly, when we are reduced to observations on a subatomic scale,
 there are additional complications. However, classical thermodynamics 
studies systems on a macro scale. In doing so, spurious effects such as the 
ones you are referring to can be ignored without any problems. Actuaries, for 
example, rely on the law of large numbers to make accurate statistical 
predictions even though they study (highly complex) people, not single atoms. 
Roger

Re: CSThis is worth listening to

In a message dated 9/28/2001 1:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

Subj:CSThis is worth listening to
Date:9/28/2001 1:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley)
Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com

A
HREF=http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wma/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/shows/01/09/artbell010928.asx;

http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wma/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/shows/01/09/artbell010928.asx
/A This is the Ed Dames interview on Art Bell from last night. He starts at
the 1:08 or so hour point. Here are some of the things said:

Diseases will run rampant shortly
We will be getting a national id card, which will contain the Biblical mark
of the beast.
There will be a stamp that must be applied to the card that will indicate
that you have gotten a polyvarient shot, for HIV and other things, and this
IS the mark of the Beast. (Now I understand why those who receive the mark
end up with horrible sores, and want to die. I wonder if CS would kill
whatever they put in the shot so it won't cause the problems)
We will close our borders.
The false prophet is TV, and the false prophet convinces everyone to follow
the antiChrist.
There will be a (ground) war in the middle east, and at some point
something happens where everyone looks up at once, then clouds surround the
earth. Also at this time every falls down, so it is like a huge earthquake
or pole shift.
666 stands for money and the global economy and the forces behind it.

Marshall: Ed Dames also said (also on the Art Bell show) that the world will
end as we know it during the spring or summer of 1999. So he wasn't really
worried about Y2k. At least he was half right. BTW, is Art still around? I
thought he retired. Maybe Ed should retire. At least Art's questions are more
interesting than Ed's answers. Roger

RE: CSIons vs Particles

Roger,
we are already talking about very dilute systems.  10ppm is one part per
100,000.  So ionic impurities take on greater proportionate values..
Stephen
  -Original Message-
  From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:46 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSIons vs Particles

  In a message dated 9/28/2001 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:

Subj:RE: CSIons vs Particles
Date:9/28/2001 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com (Stephen Quinto)
Reply-to: squi...@natural-immunogenics.com
To:silver-list@eskimo.com

Roger,
The reason I said the fact of the matter is confounding is this:  the
ionic content in a formulation is not quite so simple. The ionic silver
content is in all likelihood complexed with whatever impurities were present
in the water to begin with or that it has taken from the air.  Such
relationships are not easily determined, if at all -- such as AgNO3 to
mention one specifically that is likely present in most formulations. Since
Nitrogen is #7 in the Atomic chart it is not really detectable even by
Inductively coupled Plasma Spectrophotometry although other elements [above
8] that can be detected might be present.

  Stephen: According to the thermodynamics of dilute solutions, the
confounding effects of impurities such as the ones you are referring to on
the activity coefficient of Ag+ are negligible. This fact has been
demonstrated any number of times in simple as well as complex systems. And
as long as you brought it up, strictly speaking, solubility product
calculations are valid ONLY for dilute solutions.

How materials operate at a sub-nanometer level are full of mystery. I am
convinced there is some similarity with homeopathic science, where only the
vibrational memory of a particular presence is left in a, for example, 30x
dilution.
When using a TEM, for example, we are often able to see the effect of
electron bombardment on some of the materials, esp those that are neutral
but remain susceptible to the electrons. We've seen what look like
nanometer-scale chips, cut are really crystals coursing with energy in
patterns that resemble computer chips.
Anyway I'm not wringing my hands at the challenge, just having
difficulty finding time.

  Stephen: Admittedly, when we are reduced to observations on a subatomic
scale, there are additional complications. However, classical thermodynamics
studies systems on a macro scale. In doing so, spurious effects such as the
ones you are referring to can be ignored without any problems. Actuaries,
for example, rely on the law of large numbers to make accurate statistical
predictions even though they study (highly complex) people, not single
atoms. Roger

Re: CSThis is worth listening to

Are you sure? Ed has consistantly said that they cannot date events.
They can't even date events in the past, much less the future.

Marshall

rogalt...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 9/28/2001 1:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

Subj:CSThis is worth listening to
Date:9/28/2001 1:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley)
Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com
To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com

h
tp://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wma/artbell.download.akamai.com/5022/shows/01/09/artbell010928.asx
This is the Ed Dames interview on Art Bell from last night. He
starts at the 1:08 or so hour point. Here are some of the things
said:

Diseases will run rampant shortly
We will be getting a national id card, which will contain the
Biblical mark of the beast.
There will be a stamp that must be applied to the card that will
indicate that you have gotten a polyvarient shot, for HIV and other
things, and this IS the mark of the Beast. (Now I understand why
those who receive the mark end up with horrible sores, and want to
die. I wonder if CS would kill whatever they put in the shot so it
won't cause the problems)
We will close our borders.
The false prophet is TV, and the false prophet convinces everyone to
follow the antiChrist.
There will be a (ground) war in the middle east, and at some point
something happens where everyone looks up at once, then clouds
surround the earth. Also at this time every falls down, so it is
like a huge earthquake or pole shift.
666 stands for money and the global economy and the forces behind
it. Marshall

Marshall: Ed Dames also said (also on the Art Bell show) that the
world will end as we know it during the spring or summer of 1999. So
he wasn't really worried about Y2k. At least he was half right. BTW,
is Art still around? I thought he retired. Maybe Ed should retire. At
least Art's questions are more interesting than Ed's answers. Roger

Re: CSIons vs Particles

In a message dated 9/28/2001 2:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:


 Roger,
 we are already talking about very dilute systems.  10ppm is one part per 
 100,000.  So ionic impurities take on greater proportionate values.. 
 Stephen 
 

Stephen: No, the more dilute a solution, the more ideally it behaves. That's 
why we're in very good shape using solution theory to make these kinds of 
estimates. Even at concentrations which are significantly greater than dilute 
(16,000 PPM Ag+, for example), solubility product calculations are still 
reasonably accurate. In addition, thermodynamic theory holds for 
concentrated solutions. The only difference is that one has to obtain values 
(usually through experimentation, but sometimes approximated through 
thermodynamic and other types of modeling) for the activity coefficients in 
question. Complex systems, however, are another story. Feel free to wring 
your hands when it comes to solving a system of equations for them. Roger

RE: CSIons vs Particles

Roger,
We're not discussing the solubility issue you raised.  My argument is really
confined to the 'ionic vs the ionic'
These are two different subjects.
Stephen

 -Original Message-
From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSIons vs Particles

  In a message dated 9/28/2001 2:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:

Roger,
we are already talking about very dilute systems.  10ppm is one part per
100,000.  So ionic impurities take on greater proportionate values..
Stephen

  Stephen: No, the more dilute a solution, the more ideally it behaves.
That's why we're in very good shape using solution theory to make these
kinds of estimates. Even at concentrations which are significantly greater
than dilute (16,000 PPM Ag+, for example), solubility product calculations
are still reasonably accurate. In addition, thermodynamic theory holds for
concentrated solutions. The only difference is that one has to obtain values
(usually through experimentation, but sometimes approximated through
thermodynamic and other types of modeling) for the activity coefficients in
question. Complex systems, however, are another story. Feel free to wring
your hands when it comes to solving a system of equations for them. Roger

Re: CSThis is worth listening to

2001-09-28 Thread Robert Berger

Roger,

I read your post about Ed Dames report, and All I can say is the man does not 
know his bible prophecy.

I have been teaching bible verse by verse for about 45 years, and have spent 
about 35 years studying prophecy, and the last 10 years my teaching has been 
endtime prophecies. Ed is about half right and the rest is guess work.

I am one of those fundamental Born from Above Baptists.

Ole Bob

Re: CSThis is worth listening to/positive imaging

2001-09-28 Thread Nina Silver

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CSThis is worth listening to

  Diseases will run rampant shortly
  We will be getting a national id card, which will contain the
  Biblical mark of the beast. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC.  so on

 Are you sure? Ed has consistantly said that they cannot date events.
 They can't even date events in the past, much less the future.
 Marshall

I want to point out that there is a fine line between being aware of a
possibility in order to protect ourselves, and giving more power to that
possibility by thinking about it and fearing it.

I propose that in our mind's eye we all see the terrorist tactics of
Illuminati  Co., including those of the Taliban AND our own prez,
disintegrating. I remember a story about World War II, when a group of
esoteric practitioners found out that Hitler planned to invade England. They
met nightly, concentrating on the message: Your plan will fail; turn back,
turn back. And as it turns out, Hitler never accomplished his objective.

A story closer to home involves some people I know personally, all
meditators, who live in the country in the western part of Massachusetts.
Some years ago, an infestation of gypsy moths was killing a considerable
number of trees. Well, these folks decided to meet weekly and meditate
together and encircle their town with gold and white light. During the rest
of the week, they did this imaging whenever it was convenient.

Six months later one of these meditators was visited by a US Forest Service
ranger. He had come to her property to examine her trees. It seems that in
this town, the gypsy moth caterpillars were falling down dead from the trees
in droves, while trees in the surrounding areas were still infested. The US
Forest Service couldn't figure out why, and were trying to find out if there
was something in the trees that was giving them immunity. I don't know if my
friend ever told the ranger what was really going on.

I suggeset that instead of speculating whether certain events REALLY were
foretold by the Bible or Nostradamus or whomever, that we gather together
our considerable psychic power and fend off these attacks. That guy who
built Coral Castle, the builders of the pyramids, and other people who have
done wondrous things--they didn't have any powers that we don't have. It's
just that we're asleep.

Why don't we wake up and see what we can do.

Blessings,
Nina

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Re: CSIons vs Particles

2001-09-28 Thread Robert Berger

Roger  Stephen,

There is a very great difference between making HVAC ARC with and without the 
CO2 blanket.

When using the CO2 blanket the conductivity is generally around 100 tp 300 
uS/cc and the NO3 is 2 to 4 PPM.

Without the CO2 the conductivity hits 850+ uS/cc and the NO3 will have an 
initial reading of 2 to 4 PPM, but after about 24 hours the NO3 jumps up by 
about a factor of 10 !! 

The above applies to a DW with an initial conductivity of 0.25 =/- .05 uS/cc.

I ran a batch yesterday with a DW that had an inital conductivity of 4.0 uS/cc. 
The initial NO3 was 3.9 ppm and today is 2.9 ppm.

With the low conductivity the anion must be ozone and that oxidizes the NO2 to 
NO3.

The Higher cond. DW has unknow impurities in it so some other complex was 
formed.

In reading the add for Silver Spray 100 I noted that it is complexed with a 
citrate and potassium.

Ole Bob

Re: CSUser propagated computer viruses...

2001-09-28 Thread Cynthia

Anyway...this is a hoax
;)
- Original Message - 
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: Gil DiSanto gdisa...@socal.rr.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: CSUser propagated computer viruses...

 Gil forwarded:
   Subject: FW: Please Read and Forward to Everyone You Can Think of

  Rick Bachofner wrote: THOUGH SHE'S DEAD AND HAS JUST BEEN
  LOCATED, AFTER 5 YEARS, THIS LADY CONTINUES TO HAUNT US FROM HER
  SHALLOW GRAVE. GET THIS: CBS will discontinue Touched by an Angel
  for using the word God in every program. Madeline Murray O'Hare, an
  atheist, successfully managed to eliminate the use of Bible reading
  from public schools a few years ago. ... [MUNCH]

 Hi Gil, list members,

 I think it's a good idea to steer clear of forwarding messages like
 this to the list.

 First, this particular one raises issues of religion, which is always
 a potential argument starter -- and which is specifically cited as one
 of the things to avoid in the list rules.

 No, you don't have to de-God everything you say, think, or feel, but
 steer clear of raising or debating such issues directly. Passing
 references to faith, statements of gratitude, friendly offers or
 requests for prayer are fine.

 Secondly, any message that asks you to Forward to everybody you can
 think of! is one that you should check out carefully. Do you have a
 source for the claims being made? Case, docket or bill numbers? Dates?
 Contact information?

 Many of these are hoaxes, ill-concieved efforts, or so out of date or
 far removed from their origins as to be worthless -- and no service to
 your friends. They are little more than computer viruses propagated by
 manipulating the feelings of their targets.

 Lastly, I don't care if off topic stuff gets going here and there,
 but please be cautious of starting a thread from scratch with nothing
 to do with CS or alternative health questions, okay?

 Thanks, all.

 Mike Devour
 silver-list owner

 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
 [mdev...@eskimo.com]
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CSSore throat

2001-09-28 Thread topcat

Thank you people, for your concern and advice.
 My system is a 240V to 12V transformer resisted to a bit over 1 
mA and I stir it with an old knitting needle bored out to fit the shaft 
on a 12V motor out of an old cassette player, that is resisted too, 
to slow it down a bit.
The silver is 12 ga rods immersed 5 into 1/2 gallon 4 apart and I 
cook it for 1 1/2 hours. It is cloudy grey/white, but clears over a 
couple of days. It has been very effective on all the other ills the 
family has encountered, especially conjuctivitis (3 month old baby), 
misc. burns, (brilliant) cleared up chronic cough in 7 year old with 
neb. My five month old grandson had what looked like ringworm on 
his scalp, stopped that in its tracks, took about two weeks to 
completely clear it. 
My 9 year old grandson doesn't need puffer for asthma(??) any 
more.
So all in all it really has been effective against all else except this 
mongrel of a sore throat. PS. No other symptoms, just the sore 
throat, so sore, I have had to resort to pain killers (panadeine forte) 
to cope with it. I am a heavy smoker/ coffee freak?
Regards to all, Tony Cahill



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CSRe: positive imaging

2001-09-28 Thread Nina Silver

The method is called the Emotional Freedom Technique, an amazing bodymind
system that intercepts negative reactions. After thousands of dollars in
learning various techniques, this engineer named Gary Craig figured out an
extremely simple way to eliminate PTSD, physical illnesses, emotional
blocks, etc.

The gist of the technique is that when we are negatively affected by
physical or emotional trauma, the meridians of the body get electrically
short-circuited. Gary figured out a way to re-connect the energetic
pathways, and in so doing restore the system to its integrity BEFORE the
trauma occurred. I use the word trauma very loosely here, to indicate
ANYTHING that short-circuits the meridian integrity. It can be a wartime
experience, sexual abuse, an illness, or the million and one thoughts and
fears that plague us and prevent us from living to our full potential.

The technique involves repeating certain phrases tailored to one's
particular situation, while at the same time tapping certain meridian points
on the body and in a few instances humming and counting. Gary is aware that
this may sound quite hokey to some, and addresses people's fears and doubts
every step of the way throughout the process. The manual is about 80 pages
long. Once you learn the order of tapping and where to tap -- it took me
only about an hour and a half -- you have it for life.

Gary's manual is FREE FOR THE DOWNLOADING on the following URL address:
http://www.emofree.com/freestuff.htmIf you can't access it this way, go
to the general website at  http://www.emofree.com/  , scroll to the bottom
and click on FREE STUFF and get the manual that way.

The manual is simple and direct, and easy to read. Gary is giving it away
because he wants to get this healing modality out to as many people as
possible. He does sell videotapes of the advanced technique, but it's not
necessary to buy them in order to do preliminary work.

With over 20 years experience doing various modalities of psychotherapy, I
can say that this is an amazing, apparently lasting, and quick method of
healing.



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Re: CSOT My crop circle pictures

2001-09-28 Thread Terry Dickinson

Try this for a new one.  Ooo-arr going OT again!

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2001/MilkHill2/milkhill2001a.html

Regards  Terry

Marshalee Hallett wrote:
 
  I just posted this site. I think some of you will find it interesting.
 
  http://www.execonn.com/cropcircles/
 
  Marshall
 
 But 1992 was a long time ago. Got anything new??
 
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Re: CSOT My crop circle pictures

Nothing anomlous there.

Marshall

Terry Dickinson wrote:

 Try this for a new one.  Ooo-arr going OT again!

 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2001/MilkHill2/milkhill2001a.html

 Regards  Terry

 Marshalee Hallett wrote:
 
   I just posted this site. I think some of you will find it interesting.
  
   http://www.execonn.com/cropcircles/
  
   Marshall
 
  But 1992 was a long time ago. Got anything new??
 
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RE: CSIons vs Particles

Ole Bob,
That's a pretty good analysis.  Lots of possible ionic complexes in the
formulations!
Stephen
  -Original Message-
  From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net]
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:13 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSIons vs Particles

  Roger  Stephen,

  There is a very great difference between making HVAC ARC with and without
the CO2 blanket.

  When using the CO2 blanket the conductivity is generally around 100 tp 300
uS/cc and the NO3 is 2 to 4 PPM.

  Without the CO2 the conductivity hits 850+ uS/cc and the NO3 will have an
initial reading of 2 to 4 PPM, but after about 24 hours the NO3 jumps up by
about a factor of 10 !!

  The above applies to a DW with an initial conductivity of 0.25 =/- .05
uS/cc.

  I ran a batch yesterday with a DW that had an inital conductivity of 4.0
uS/cc. The initial NO3 was 3.9 ppm and today is 2.9 ppm.

  With the low conductivity the anion must be ozone and that oxidizes the
NO2 to NO3.

  The Higher cond. DW has unknow impurities in it so some other complex was
formed.

  In reading the add for Silver Spray 100 I noted that it is complexed
with a citrate and potassium.

  Ole Bob

Re: CSOT My crop circle pictures

2001-09-28 Thread Frank Key

Anyone who wants to grab the jpeg image of the Milkhill cropcircle it is at:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2001/MilkHill2/MilkHillMegaJulia.jpg

frank key


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CSTech. talk

2001-09-28 Thread larry tankersley

 Dear list...
 I've been lurking the past couple of months as time has allowed. And
also messing with my home made CS generator [still no current control] 
[ Ken, would you post another schematic on your current control method
[less the short] And if you will,draw it large and clear with part #'s
and values of the components. I'm limited with webtv and the last one
you posted, some time ago, was a bit ill defined for my capabilities.]
 Mike ... I'm with other listers that feel you are doing a fine job and
also have no problem with,and feel I've learned a lot from the dialectic
tech. dialog If nothing else other than how little I know,and
perhaps also a mirror of how hateful I can get when I KNOW I'm
RIGHTI AM THAT.



larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA


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Re: CSFeedback on list direction...

2001-09-28 Thread George Martin

On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:52:37 +, M. G. Devour wrote:

=Almost no one has seen fit to reply directly to my comments on
list 
=values and direction, yet several folks have made remarks like
yours, 
=George. Perhaps the situation I was responding to is no longer 
=obvious and needs to be recapped. It would be nice to see some 
=questions asked.
=

I wasn't ignoring you Mike...just on the road.


=Recent technical discussions on this list have sometimes devolved
into 
=virtual shouting matches between competing vendors, complete with
ad 
=hominemn attacks and ridicule. I have stated plainly that this is
not 
=acceptable and I stand by that -- a position I've been criticized
for.
=

Not very different from when you took over the list is it?  Only
difference is the current crop of combatants also have financial
interests to advance while they feed their own inflated egos (of
course they will try to convince us that 'science' is their main
concern...yeah, right!)


=Apart from behavior problems of that sort, quite often,
technical
=discussions have become so voluminous and detailed that they 
=have overwhelmed the list, leading many a new arrival to despair
of 
=ever understanding anything of this terribly complicated subject!
=

How can it be said that any CS subject can 'overwhelm' the CS list? 
 Most of the posts I have looked at today (from the previous week)
have absolutely nothing to do with CS.  Instead we are treated to
paranoid fantasies about the government killing Americans, little
guys in Florida floating big rocks, some modern day wanna be seer
that has an accuracy rate approaching 0%,  pictures drawn in grass,
and on and on.  

While these are all topics that deserve attention, why should these
folks  be rewarded for their utter lack of respect for the CS-lists
stated purpose and be allowed to hijack the CS list for their own
selfish mumblings?

=I have offered to set up a silver-tech-list so folks can talk
tech 
=all they want without having to apologize for using big words, and
even 
=take off the gloves and go bare-fisted at each other if that's
what 
=will allow them to resolve their differences of opinion...
=

I think that if the technical talk was turned up full blast then
maybe some of these (to mangle a borrowed phrase) nattering nabobs
of nothingness would either shut up, move their discussions to the
already provided silver-off-topic-list or apply themselves to a
small amount of study and further their own base of knowledge. 
Worst case?  They leave the list and go elsewhere.  Currently, I see
very few messages being posted to the off-topic list.  Why isn't
this fine resource being utilized as it was meant to be?  Why should
those of us who actually work to further the PUBLIC knowledge base
be treated as embarrassing relations that need to be shuttled off to
some dark corner to whisper among ourselves?


=The four primary goals of the list are *still*, briefly restated:
=
=1) Delivering good, unbiased info; 
=2) Giving encouragement and support; 
=3) Debunking hype and disinformation; 
=4) Furthering the art.
=

Are #'s 1 or 4 currently being realized? Happily, #'s 2 and 3 does
still occasionally happen although rarely.

=It is only when either points 3 or 4 become disruptive to the list

=that I'd figure the tech list would come into play.
=

You seem to have managed to remove disruptions before...why not keep
it up?


=Civil discussions, sans controversy, can and should be acceptable
=here, at least until they get to be so busy they're swamping other
=discussion.
=

How can one discussion swamp another ?  If a topic is truly worthy
of discussion it will generate all the attention it deserves! 

=Maybe, like the silver-off-topic-list, the tech list will only
carry 
=significant traffic once in a while. Or maybe it'll draw back
other 
=tech types who've given up on us due to the volume of off-topic 
=messages and other complaints, and become viable in its own right.
=

And what is to keep the natterers from preempting an UNmoderated
list as they have this moderated one?

=What's it going to be folks?
=

That is a very good question...

Now a few questions of my own:

1) When on this list has a question gone unanswered due to the
technical discussions?Don't count the questions that went
unanswered because the answer was not known...that doesn't count.  
Having to ask a second time doesn't qualify either!

2) Why should the list be targeted to the lowest common denominator,
i.e. beginners  with basic questions and concerns?

3) And finally, if #2 is the case, who is going to answer their
questions and assuage their concerns?



Regards,
George Martin


=Mike Devour
=silver-list owner
=
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RE: CSFeedback on list direction...

2001-09-28 Thread George Martin

Ken,
That is the proper attitude.  It is amazing how subjects
that were once over ones head hit you squarely in the face when
you elevate yourself with a base of knowledge to stand on.

I still don't understand why it is expected for me to use my
delete key to remove off topic posts but totally unacceptable for
non-technical listmembers to delete those posts that fly over their
heads.

Regards,
George Martin

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:05:20 -0700, Ode Coyote wrote:

=I have learned a great deal from the techie talk even though a lot
of it
=goes over my head.
= All I have to do is stand up a bit more, ey?
=..and I do have a delete key
=Ken
=



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Re: CSSore throat

2001-09-28 Thread CKing001

If it were me then, I'd try putting an eyedropperful in each ear.
Larry, the molecular man, advocates that infections such as flu or colds are
caught through the ear passages to the throat.
His treatment is dilute hydrogen peroxide.
I'd use CS though. You have to get it to the pathogens.
Whataya got to lose?
Couldn't hoit!!
Chuck
Doing strange things in the name of art!

On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 06:33:57 +1000, top...@southcom.com.au wrote:

So all in all it really has been effective against all else except this 
mongrel of a sore throat. PS. No other symptoms, just the sore 
throat, so sore, I have had to resort to pain killers (panadeine forte) 
to cope with it. I am a heavy smoker/ coffee freak?
Regards to all, Tony Cahill


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CSRe Reid Harvey

2001-09-28 Thread Reid Harvey

Ole Bob,
If you can keep your response friendly I suggest there's no reason not
to post it to the entire list, or to the off topic list, and not just to
me.  After all the OT list was where that correspondence was to begin
with. Perhaps others would be interested in your response as well.  For
those who are unfamiliar, I have asked Ole Bob to justify his attacks on
'the pinkos' and others. I think he has a lot to say about how he
preaches, but it doesn't seem to jibe with what he practices.

Having said that, my email is: ceram...@bol-online.com.
Reid

Ole Bob said:
Reid ,
I would like to answer you directly but I never get a complete email
address
for you. All that comes through is  ceram...@bol-  My URL will not
accept
that.
Ole Bob


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Re: CSThis is worth listening to

In a message dated 9/28/2001 2:34:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

 Subj:Re: CSThis is worth listening to
 Date:9/28/2001 2:34:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley)
 Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 Are you sure? Ed has consistantly said that they cannot date events.  They 
 can't even date events in the past, much less the future. Marshall 

Marshall: Yes, I'm sure. As I recall, the way Ed got around the unknown time 
factor was to look at RELATIVE time. The cataclysmic event he saw from remote 
viewing could be placed BEFORE the Y2k event. How he came up with the spring 
or summer before the new millennium, I don't know. Anyway nothing happened on 
both fronts. As the old saying goes, If you can't predict accurately, 
predict often. Roger

Re: CSIons vs Particles

In a message dated 9/28/2001 4:11:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:


 Roger,
 We're not discussing the solubility issue you raised.  My argument is 
 really confined to the 'ionic vs the ionic'
 These are two different subjects.
 Stephen
 

Stephen: Perhaps you can define your terms before we proceed any further. 
Roger

Re: CSThis is worth listening to

In a message dated 9/28/2001 4:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bober...@swbell.net writes:

 Subj:Re: CSThis is worth listening to
 Date:9/28/2001 4:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:bober...@swbell.net (Robert Berger)
 Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 Roger,

 I read your post about Ed Dames report, and All I can say is the man does 
 not know his bible prophecy.

 I have been teaching bible verse by verse for about 45 years, and have 
 spent about 35 years studying prophecy, and the last 10 years my teaching 
 has been endtime prophecies. Ed is about half right and the rest is guess 
 work.

 I am one of those fundamental Born from Above Baptists.

 Ole Bob

Bob: Can you send me anything about your endtime teaching? I've done a fair 
amount of reading myself on the subject. Roger

Re: CSThis is worth listening to