RE: CS>CS and cancer.

[David W Kenney]

I'VE BEEN TAKING CS FOR OVER 10 YEARS..
I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER LAST WEEK..
I'LL HAVE AN EXACT DIAGNOSIS NEXT WEEK AND WILL POST IT FOR CONFIRMATION.
RIGHT NOW IT IS SIMPLY A SOLITARY MASS IN THE CHEST.

-Original Message-
From: alchemysa [mailto:da...@alchemysa.com.au] 
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS and cancer.

I've been receiving and ocassionally contributing to this list for about 
3 years. I don't read every word but I do a regularly 'scan' it. It 
strikes me that I cannot remember reading of a regular member of this 
list developing cancer, other than perhaps skin cancer. I'm sure its 
happened, or maybe I've just missed such posts.  But I wonder if  JUST 
POSSIBLY this goups provides a faint hint of evidence that CS provides 
some resistance to cancer.

David


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RE: CS>silver rods

[David W Kenney]

silvergen

 

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From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 PM
To: cs
Subject: CS>silver rods

 

I know there is a place to buy replacement silver rods on the web that
starts with an A and I cannot remember the name can anyone help me out?

thanks deb

  

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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check out new
  cars
at Yahoo! Autos. 

RE: Fw: RE: CS>alfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

[David W Kenney]

The Canadian Dept of Health says that Bleach is one of the primary causes of
Breast cancer.. (Dr, Hulda Clark)

Did you know that?

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Fw: RE: CS>alfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

 


My mind is just boggling at the concept of anyone actually getting in a bath
of laundry detergent!  Brave you, but congratulations at the good results.
Dee  

 

---Original Message---

 

From: tom chick  

Date: 04/18/07 17:34:57

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Fw: RE: CS>alfalfa for mystery skin disease- Morgellons

 

 

 

-Original Message-

From: Dan Nave

Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:52 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>alfalfa for mystery skin disease

 

Did you ever use the "Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe

bleach" in a bath before?  It is possible that it could have been that

alone, or that in combination with the alfalfa, or the alfalfa alone.

 

Nevertheless, very interesting, and great news!  Congrats!

 

Dan

 



 

 

 

 

RE: CS>Nanosilver particles

[David W Kenney]

I have found CS to totally eliminate;

Gingivitis

Mouth odor - bad breath.

Body odor.ie under arm.

All disease.(although I am doing many things that could reduce disease.)

Has anyone else had similar experience?

THANKS

Dr. Dave 

RE: CS>low sodium on blood test

[David W Kenney]

Also Adrenal insufficiency and primary hyperadrenalcortism

Dr Dave

 

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From: Paula Perry [mailto:p...@zoomnet.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>low sodium on blood test

 

Does anyone know the significance of having low sodium on a blood test?  It
is only slightly below normal. 134 with normal range being 135-148. I have
had this reading on my last several blood tests. It is not from abstaining
from salt or doing a lot of sweating. I am wondering if it couldn't indicate
an adrenal insuffciency or other problem?

Thanks,

Paula

RE: CS>low sodium on blood test

[David W Kenney]

Here are some possibllities

Volume depletion.(dehydration)

Diarrhea

Vomiting

Renal failure

Diabetes

Lipemia

Pancreatitis

LABORATORY ERROR.  TRY A DIFFERENT LAB.

DR DAVE

 

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From: Paula Perry [mailto:p...@zoomnet.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>low sodium on blood test

 

Does anyone know the significance of having low sodium on a blood test?  It
is only slightly below normal. 134 with normal range being 135-148. I have
had this reading on my last several blood tests. It is not from abstaining
from salt or doing a lot of sweating. I am wondering if it couldn't indicate
an adrenal insuffciency or other problem?

Thanks,

Paula

RE: CS>[List Owner] Possible mail problem?

[David W Kenney]

I receieved 69 posts on the 4th

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:06 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Possible mail problem?

Dear Silver friends,

Some minor odd symptoms have made me wonder if we are having problems 
reaching members with a yahoo.com address.

Would some of you with @yahoo.com addresses please let me know if 
the total number of posts you've received over the last few days agrees 
closely with the following? I know there are a lot of you.

Today, Monday the 5th: about 25 as of this post

Sunday the 4th: 59 posts

Saturday the 3rd: 14 posts

Friday the 2nd: 31 posts

Thursday the 1st: 14 posts

Best would be replies to me directly at mdev...@eskimo.com though I 
won't complain if you send it to the list instead.

Thank you very much!

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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RE: CS>Christmas Trees and CS

[David W Kenney]

Some months ago there was a posting about an MIT student doing research on
Colloidal Silver and he found the labeled silver attaching to the gene where
a virus has to attach thereby preventing multiplication.  This would mean
that CS is a good way to ward off all viral disease.
Does anyone have a copy or a reference to that work?
Thank you.
Dr. David W. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:25 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Christmas Trees and CS

Everyone remember that adding CS to your Christmas Tree water will 
result in increasing the life of your tree tremendously.

Last night Mythbusters did a test of things to add to the water to 
extend the life of the tree. They called it the needle drop test. 
Unfortunately they ignored the only one I know of that REALLY works, 
colloidal silver.  When I have used it, the trees keep their needles 
until the dogwoods and red buds are blooming the following spring.

We need to let them know that they missed the only one that really works.

Marshall


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RE: CS>h. pylori

[David W Kenney]

Remember to have her take bismuth supplementation when using the CS


-Original Message-
From: Dino Ciccarelli [mailto:dcicc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>h. pylori

hello all...
just a quick question on whether or not you think c.s. can be
effective again h. pylori... my girlfriend is supposed to take some
crazy amount of drugs over a 2 week period... prev-pack i think... i'd
rather have her use c.s. but i am not sure if it will work and the
dosage i should try... any help would be greatly appreciated...
thanks
dc


Dr. David W. Kenney
 
There are TWO things everyone must do to have the best insurance against the
ravages of aging.
The first is maintain an alkaline Ph of the  body.
The second is to maintain an efficient immune system.
I am working on the best method of getting your pH back to normal...but the
answer to the maintaining your immune system is TRANSFER FACTOR.  See the
following sites for information.
 
Transfer Factor Information:
 
http://www.my4life.com/drdave
http://livingnow.net/drdave
http://DrDavidKenney.riovidanetwork.com/


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RE: CS>New member.. Cancer and Virus/Fungus

[David W Kenney]

I think I could write a book on this posting.
The confusion of the cause of cancer is in pleomorphism.
Pleomorphism was first brought forward in the late 1880's...then I
understand that Pasteur on his death bed admitted that pleomorphism was the
way things happened and that his germ theory was wrong.
I'm not sure about the accuracy of fungous vs viral cancers...but I do know
that according to Dr. Rife, they are one and the same...only in different
forms.  It has been found that there are 12 different pleomorphic forms of
the cancer virus.
I'm also not sure that CS will affect a cancer in progress.  If the report
previously posted from MIT is accurate then it probably won't.  This post
indicated that the virus enters the cell and attaches to the DNA at the same
position as CS does.  If the CS is attached, the virus can't attach...this
is called competitive inhibition.  If the virus is already attached then CS
may not do any good.
This is a good reason to be on a continual dosage of CS.  Keep all these
locations blocked with CS.  Then no Influenza, etc.
I think we have to go back to the drawing boards on this subject.  Still
much to do.  For example, when the virus replicates in the cell are these
new organisms now susceptible to the CS?

From: "Jim Holmes" mailto:p...@zoomnet.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNew member.. Cancer and Virus/Fungus

I just wanted to say that all Cancers are not caused by virus. Certain
Cancers, such as Lymphomas are caused by Virus. I did a lot of reading on
this because my husband had Hodgkin's Lymphoma. (Cancer of lymph) One of 
the most widespread tumor formers is a very active virus called papilloma.
It is the cause  of cervical tumors, breast tumors, lymphoma, genital wars,
and dysplasia. Endometriosis can be a papilloma virus, It can form brain and
anal tumors. There are several different Virus's that can form tumors.

Then, there are the Cancer Tumors that are caused by fungus. The hard tumor
is the fungus tumor. Prostrate Cancer is fungal.

I am not an expert on all this, but to fight Cancer it helps to know what 
Is causing the Cancer to form. I got this info in a book by Hanna Kroeger.
She has a test in there that you can do yourself to determine whether you
have the fungal Cancer of not. She says it will indicate Cancer, two years 
Before it is detectable to conventional tests. Instructions for anyone
wanting to try it as follows,-
  Take the first morning urine in a celluloid cup. (not foam cup) Cover it
with one layer of toilet paper and place in a dark place. In the evening
place it in refrigerator on the lowest shelf. The next morning pour out the
urine. Where air and urine touched, there will be a fatty waxy ring in the
cup if fungus cancer is present in your system.

According to most people in the natural field,-everyone with Cancer has
parasites. Paula

- Original Message -
From: "Nancy DeLise" http://www.cancertutor.com/faq/faq_how_started.html
 
   Make your body alkaline:
 
  http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/paramahamsa/umeboshi.htm
 
   The plums are considered a condiment for seasoning foods such as brown
  rice, salads etc.Americans would use the likes of  ketchup, or
mustard,
  hot sauce in its stead.  Generally, they are used sparingly, from half a
  plum to a whole.  They are not usually eaten alone.
  Umeboshi plums are fermented products that are high in iron, thiamin, 
and
  riboflavin. Like other fermented foods, they are beneficial to 
digestion,
  stimulating the secretion of digestive fluids in the stomach and 
enhancing
  the growth of healthy bacterial cultures in the intestinal tract.  If a
  persons digestive system is sensitive or compromised just one plum eaten
  alone has the potential to keep your intestines busy purging for an 
entire
  day.
  Umeboshi plum is a misnomer. The term umeboshi means "dried ume," where
ume
  is usually
 
  translated as plum. But it is not a plum. It is a species of apricot. It
has
  several organic acids
 
  with medicinal effects, including the seemingly paradoxical effect of
  alkalizing the body.
 
  1. Umeboshi has a high concentration (perhaps the highest concentration 
in
  any fruit) of citric
 
  acid. Citric acid enables the small intestine to absorb alkaline 
minerals
  from other foods that
 
  would otherwise not be absorbed.
 
  2. Umeboshi itself contains high amounts of alkaline minerals (iron,
  calcium, potassium,
 
  manganese, etc.)
 
  3. Citric acid breaks down lactic acid produced metabolically in our 
blood
  and tissues.
 
  4. Umeboshi contains picric acid that stimulates and supports the
  detoxifying action of the
 
  liver.
 
  5. Umeboshi contains catechin acid which speeds peristaltic action in 
the
  intestines as
 
  well as the digestion of proteins.
 
  6. Umeboshi peel contains pectic acid which has a laxative effect.
 
  This information comes from the Kushi Institute.
 
 
http://www.nextag.com/buyer/ou

RE: CS>OT: Cat Question

[David W Kenney]

The most common cause of death in dogs and cats is kidney failure.  It is
chronic interstitial nephritis.  It is one of those things that if they live
long enough, the kidneys will fail and that will be it.  The treatment used
in the message here is common and it works well to add some time.  However
the condition is irreversible and indicates the end of the life is near.
One of the other things to do to help is to feed a high quality (protein)
diet.  Although the kidney has many functions the one most critical in
kidney failure is getting rid of bad Nitrogen products from poor quality
diets.  Eggs are the highest quality protein we know of..

Dr Dave

CS will help only in aiding in prevention of secondary infections.the
condition is progressive and not due to pathogenic organisms where CS would
be of great value.

 

Is Mookie drinking enough? What about litterbox 'dampness?" We had a cat,
Murphy, for about 20 years, every few years his kidneys would go into
overdrive, or something, and he would start to get dehydrated, even though
the box was full of 'clumps.' It was like the water went right through him
so fast the body didn't have time to get what it needed. We always took him
to the vet, an old family friend, who would usually test urine, and then
send us home with a quart of IV fluid and a large bore needle. We would just
give him the extra fluid under the skin at intervals until it was gone. Then
he would be fine again for a few yearsstrange. The vet never figured it
out, and a substitute vet once when he was on vacation, did a lot of other
tests that proved nothing out of whack. ($$$ vacation for us!)

Take Mookie to the Vet.

Mark S. Siepak, bro...@gtcinternet.com


From: Raine 

I have a question about my cat (will also post it to the SilverPets list,
but lately some posts have taken days to go through and I don't want to
wait). He was just laying in my lap having "purr-fest" and I realized that
his normally pink nose is very pale in color, almost white. His gums are
also quite pale. I believe this is indicative of anemia? 
He's young (15 months) and is behaving normally. He eats Innova Evo for
cats. I also add CS to his water because he occasionally gets mouth sores.
He doesn't have fleas, or worms (to my knowledge). He hasn't had any
vaccinations since I got him last Jan.



Parasites.

Poor diet

Some of the upper respiratory virus cause mouth lesions..

Autoimmune problems - His body is destroying his red cells.

Mouth sores usually due to autoimmune conditions.  Plasmocytic stomatitis
and others like phemphugus.

You need to have a blood analysis to find if he is even making new red
cells.

And, a fecal exam for parasites..

 

 

Does anyone know of any other reason for his pale nose/gums? What should I
look for, and/or do?

Thanks,

Raine, with Mookie the Mindless
-- 



 

Dr. David W. Kenney

 

There are TWO things everyone must do to have the best insurance against the
ravages of aging.

The first is maintain an alkaline Ph of the  body.

The second is to maintain an efficient immune system.

I am working on the best method of getting your pH back to normal...but the
answer to the maintaining your immune system is TRANSFER FACTOR.  See the
following sites for information.

 

Transfer Factor Information:

 

http://www.my4life.com/drdave

http://livingnow.net/drdave

http://DrDavidKenney.riovidanetwork.com/

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RE: CS>**white diarrhea in a child??

[David W Kenney]

Usually due to a total lack of bile secretion.


What would cause vomiting with white??(says the
parents) diarrhea in a three year old? They tested for
Hep, said it was negative. My husband is ill with his
liver and I am afraid for him to be near them, it's
his son's family. 


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RE: CS>she died

[David W Kenney]

This happened twice to me this year.  I had two college buddies, both 40
years in their profession.  One an MD anesthesiologist with UCSD and the
other a DVM radiologist.  I told them both there were phenomenal options for
them and asked if they wanted to know more about them.
Both said no.
The radiologist who did routine radiation therapy said in his last weeks
that he really felt he didn't do any good with this therapy with any of his
patients.
Both died according to the allopathic schedule.
If they are sucked into the allopathic world, they are afraid to rock the
boat.
I understand where you are coming from.


-Original Message-
From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:utahpug...@izikoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>she died

Dear List friends,
 Well, I just learned that my best friend Debra died of liver cancer on 
Monday. She was only 54.
She did use CS for some things, but she was an RN and of course, fell 
for the allopathic doctors` lines.
She tried chemotherapy,  which so wiped out her intestines that she 
couldn`t eat or drink anything for days. Only the IV gave her anything 
at all.
Her pain was intense. I`m glad she is no longer suffering.
I so wish she had believed me.
  I miss her. She was a true friend to me.
Marshalee

Dr. David W. Kenney
 
There are TWO things everyone must do to have the best insurance against the
ravages of aging.
The first is maintain an alkaline Ph of the  body.
The second is to maintain an efficient immune system.
I am working on the best method of getting your pH back to normal...but the
answer to the maintaining your immune system is TRANSFER FACTOR.  See the
following sites for information.
 
Transfer Factor Information:
 
http://www.my4life.com/drdave
http://livingnow.net/drdave
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RE: CS>Question - Distemper Raccoons

[David W Kenney]

Be carefulcould be rabiesin the encephalitic form.

Dr. David W. Kenney
 
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-Original Message-
From: Connie Howard [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Question - Distemper Raccoons

Thanks for the input.  I was able to cage the racoon and since Saturday
have been giving him CS (20ppm approx).  I've used a  large kitchen
basting suction unit and have filled it full.  The racoon has gone
through over a half a quart of CS.  Also; he has ate more than a pound of
ground turkey with a special mixture that I give my cats.  

I notice that after eating he has had something like seizures that last
approx a minue to 2 minutes.  He then breaths rapidly and usually will
fall asleep.  

It's to early to tell how this will play out.  I'm going to buy some
L-Lysine and mega dose him and see if that helps.

connie


On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:12:04 -0400 Marshall Dudley
 writes:
> http://www.bunnyrabbit.com/Newsletter/volume1issue2/issue2.htm
> 
> For severe infections (parvo, distemper, etc.) use an eyedropper 
> (of
> colloidal silver) and give 1 tsp. - 1 Tbs., 3 times a day directly 
> in pets
> mouth until condition improves.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Connie Howard wrote:
> 
> > I read that Distemper is a virus.  If that is the case then would 
> not
> > using Collodial Silver help?  We are experiencing a large 
> distemper
> > problem with our Raccoon population.  I also have numerous cats 
> (who get
> > Collodial Silver regularly) and would like to ensure that they are 
> safe.
> > But if Distemper is a virus can't the Raccoons be treated rather 
> then put
> > down.
> >
> > Just thought someone might have some input on this.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > connie
> >
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RE: CS>silica

[David W Kenney]

One of the best supplements for healthy nails is shark cartilage

Dr. David W. Kenney
 
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-Original Message-
From: Betsy Coffey [mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>silica

someone made mention that any supplement that is good
for bones would be good for nails. I think that silice
is supposed to be good for bones to isnt it? One of
the doctors that I have gone to has cautioned me on
some reading that he did regarding silica and the
possiblilty that it might build up and hamper kidney function.




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RE: CS>veterinary questions

[David W Kenney]

A recent post wrote about CS and virus.  It indicated that the CS attaches
to the site where virus attach thereby making the animal essentially closed
off to pathogenic virus.  If true then using CS after the infection will
only have an effect to the point these attachments are not filled.

Obviously the CS killed off many bacteria because of the lack of post-mortem
changes.  Distemper is a virus and went happily on doing its thing.

One needs to get the CS into the animal prior to exposure in order to be
potentially helpful.

I have been successful with rife technology with this disease.

Dr. Dave

You might consider transfer factor for the remaining kitten.  It is
multispecies and increases immunity by up to 437%.

 

Dr. David W. Kenney

 

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From: Debra F Xochimitl [mailto:dxo...@juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>veterinary questions

 

I need to know if colloidal silver kills the feline distemper virus

 

Also, one on my two kittens ust died of distemper, and he was drinking cs
for two days prior to his showing symptoms.  He drank 18 ppm silver.  I
believe he was already very sick when I got him, but he didn't show it.
Anyway, after he passed away, I kept him and washed him and dried him in
preparation to burial and it took me three days to dig the grave.  He was in
a styrofoam "casket" for three days, and I took one last look at him before
placing the lid back and putting him into the ground.  His body looked like
a sleeping kitten.  There was no bloating, no smell, and nothing else to
view that would indicate he was even dead.  Why would that be?  Is it
because the colloidal silver really killed every bateria in his body.  If so
then why did he die?  

Also, I have another kitten that has been on silver for a week propr to
receiving the one who was sick and died.  He is showing absolutely no
symptoms at all, yet this is a highly contageous disease.  If anyone knows
the answers please let me know.  It is important to me. 

Thanks, I hope someone can answer my questions.   Deb

Re: CS>for cat with liver problems?"

[David W Kenney]

Is the cat obese/fat?   Hepatic Lipidosis is a common cause of what you are
observing.
Also, cancer is a possibility.
Rarely things like bile duct obstruction as well.
I'd supplement with methionine, inositol, choline and msm if possible.
Give plenty of fluids (Normosol/Lactated Ringers).  SQ if possible but
forced with syringe until the cat gets at least 25 cc/# body weight daily
until looking better  Mix half and half with drinking water as well.
Give plenty of B-Complex.
CS probably wouldn't work to well as infectious hepatitis is very rare in
cats.as well as other species.
Rife treatment works well with liver cancers.
So...there are many options.
Dr. Dave Kenney, DVM 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net
Date: 08/03/05 14:54:01
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>for cat with liver problems?"
 
Hi Wendy,

I understand it is critical if a cat doesn't eat for a period of time. 
Secondly,  yellow eyes sounds like problems with the liver/jaundice. 
Thirdly, dehydration is a killer.   Purring doesn't necessarily mean the cat
is doing well.  I would see a vet post haste!

Jean

*


We took our cat to a homeopathic vet and he has chosen a remedy for him.
However he’s going on holidays in 4 days and since our cat has not eaten in
at least a week he figures if the remedy doesn’t work we should look at
having him put down.

Beisdes losing weight rapidly, not eating, and being dehydrated, his eyes
are a bit yellow as are his ears, otherwise, he’s still purring and hanging
out.

Any suggestions about using colloidal silver at this point?



Thanks



wendy



-Original Message-
From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: August 3, 2005 6:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>



In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:38:08 PM Central Standard Time,
wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes:


Our cat hasn’t eaten in at least a week.


It's a real possibility that the cat has diabetes. MA




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Re: CS>canker sores ?

[David W Kenney]

Also
I use ethyl ether (car starter) dabbed on the sore...stings but the sore
dries up almost immediately. 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Tad Winiecki
Date: 07/29/05 08:46:02
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>canker sores ?
 
Does he take Acidophilus regularly?  Sugared up store yogurt is not a good
source.  I find cutting a piece of Aloe Vera leaf in half after trimming
any spiny parts off and putting the gel surface on the sore and leaving it
in the mouth a while does great at healing the sores.
 
Nancy
 
 
 
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RE: CS>No Subject

[David W Kenney]

In many cases where a chronic infection occurs long after surgery it is
because there is some surgical material left in the site to which your body
is reacting negatively.  First thing I would do is to culture the exudate
and see if anything is growing..maybe not.  If so, you have to have the
material removed.or simply wait until the body rejects it on its own.

Copper locally decreases the formation of scar tissue.  Used for over 100
years in veterinary medicine on horses..

Should you use the combination.be careful on the amount as excess will cause
a relative Manganese deficiency..

 

 

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From: maryle...@aol.com [mailto:maryle...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>No Subject

 

Does using colloidal copper together with colloidal silver work
synergistically to heal chronic wounds?

For the last 10 days I have been using Colloidal silver to treat chronic
wounds from cosmetic surgery in Sept. '04; the wounds are behind my ears.
Up until now (and despite weeks of antibiotics), the wounds have not healed
due to a staph infection.  Now the colloidal silver is dealing with that and
finally some progress is being made. Nevertheless, where the ear attaches to
the head, there is still quite an opening.  I have recently read of people
using a combination of colloidal silver and colloidal copper to heal wounds.
I would really appreciate hearing whether any of the silver-list community
knows of success using that combination.

Thank you so much for your help.

Maryleigh

RE: CS>letter from officials

[David W Kenney]

I received an almost identical letter.  It didn't say where the person
stands on the issue.  They indicate that they are interested in the health
of the public so that cases like ephedra don't happen again.
In other words they are for Codex.


-Original Message-
From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>letter from officials



  B. Boxer sent me a similar letter.  This woman
may actually be ignorant of the situation.  After
all, she spends her time on politics and little
else.  Staff writes those letters and briefs her
on nearly everything, or so I understand.  She
has to lack knowledge.  No one would knowingly
make that statement about ephedra and attach
their name to it surely.  How embarassing.  pj




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RE: CS>CS for bird's ailment

[David W Kenney]

I would suspect the CS would be great for secondary infections as the birds
usually pick at these growths.  However as a cure it would be of unlikely
since most of these cases are caused by a mite...not bacteria or virus.

I have used CS both locally and topically for yearsand sprayed into
surgical sites for years.

-Original Message-
From: patriot2...@mindspring.com [mailto:patriot2...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS for bird's ailment

Some writers have referred to treating various problems in their animals, 
including birds, with CS.  Others have commented that CS has been useful 
with human warts, which are a viral form.  My granddaughter has a very 
young pet bird that has papillomas, wartlike growths, around its face and 
beak.  Has anyone used CS to treat such a problem?   Would you put CS in 
its drinking water, or swab the growths with CS?  Or both?  Any 
ideas?  Thanks in advance.

Marlys



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RE: CS>Need help with kidney stones

[David W Kenney]

This is good advice..

If the stones are small enough to pass..make sure you save some for
analysis.   They form under different physiological conditions.some
alkaline, some acid, some with excess urea.etc.   You should know this
especially if you go to attempts at dissolving with drugs.and perhaps even
if you begin to use frequency therapy or other alternative modalities.

Most have to do with diet and your particular metabolism..

D

 

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From: Louise [mailto:lou...@raw-connections.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 5:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Need help with kidney stones

 

Caution, if you are peeing very little do not drink lots of water.  IF you
pee a quart a day, drink the same (taking into consideration what you might
loose in perspiration)

 

There are homeopathic remedies for stoned and pain and would suggest you
check out a homeopath for the remedies.

 

Louise

 


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From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL [mailto:f...@atlanticbb.net] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 5:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Need help with kidney stones

There is an herbal product from the Amazon known as Chanca Piedra. Is
excellent for braking down all kinds of stone formations in the gall or
urine bladder and reduce them to a fine sand for easy evacuation. Drink a
gallon of water a day and follow manufacturer instructions for the extract.

Good luck

Frank Cuns Rial

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From: fl...@aol.com 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:56 AM

Subject: CS>Need help with kidney stones

 

Help! I have a kidney stone that is killing me. Any suggestions on any
treatments are welcome.

 

Dana

RE: CS>

[David W Kenney]

 

In a message dated 5/11/2005 2:46:28 AM Central Standard Time,
beyondvaccinat...@yahoogroups.com writes:

My objections to CS are related to its mechanism of action - I don't see it
as being unique in its action, nor all that "holistic," even if it works as
it's said to. It's an anti-microbial, and while I certainly believe in using
anti-microbials, I don't see any particular advantage to CS over a thousand
others, including many herbal formulas I've had good results with over the
years, such as echinacea mixtures.

Christie, one of the things I love about you is that you take the time to do
the research, get the facts, and give the pros and cons when sharing your
knowledge. Along with the many others who've benefitted from your knowledge,
I think you're 'brilliant' and you have no agenda other than the health and
wellbeing of our animals.

 

However, I've also been a member of  silver-list@eskimo.com for years, and
have found it to also be populated with brilliant minds who willingly share
their knowledge of cs and its applications. Some are micro-biologists,
engineers, chemists, even retired pharmacists, as well as many alternative
health practictioners. The list has well over 1,000 members, and some of its
contributors are what others (myself included) consider to be 'out there' in
their philosophies and ideologies. Thankfully the moderator there is also
well-skilled in diplomacy, and maintains an off-topic list where non cs
discussions migrate to.

 

I too have my own generator and have found so many benefits from cs that I
would never be without it.  And like you, I don't wish to debate the
subject. Anyone who's interested can go to the cs list and dive in. 

 

BUT! I've had occasion to treat parvo (as part of an animal outreach group)
with cs and Parvaid. Truthfully, it's worked for 2 out of 3 if caught early.
Here's the clincher, tho. the cs needs to be given  alternately orally and
rectally every 60 to 90 minutes for approx. 24 hrs. That's practically
impossible for  'regular' people to do at home and out of the question at
the vets' office. In our experience, we've found that when the exhausting 60
to 90 min. protocol isn't followed, the pups won't make it. And they have
suffered, as you say.

 

This is simply not true.   I've worked 24/7 on entire litters of puppies
with Parvo.  The survival rate is nearly 100% if fluid therapy is the
primary modality of treatment.  It is a lot of work but very rewarding when
you see these babies turn around and begin to live..  CS would be a nice
adjunct..and may speed up recovery but is not a necessary part of the
treatment. 

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is the primary cause of death in these
puppies.

 

I am thrilled beyond belief to know about Tamiflu!  I took the information
to our vet, but didn't get much response. I'll keep trying. Thank you for
bringing the info on Tamiflu to the list, and please keep us posted with it.
I'm a few hours from the Mexican border, probably could get it there but
don't know protocol/dosage for parvo.

Laura H., TX


 

 

RE: CS>just an observation...

[David W Kenney]

For your information.most antibiotics are only bacteriostatic.  In other
words they stop the growth of the bacteria on the assumption that it will
give time for an adequate immune system to catch up.  There are very few, if
any bacteriocidal antibiotics.  CS on the other hand if it can get to the
organism is bacteriocidal and so is more effective, especially for those
with compromised immune systems.   

 

 

True, drugs kill the pathogens and the body does the healing.  What I am
saying isis it really the drugs doing the killing?  For instance, with
my gums.  The swelling is the bodies reaction to the germs.  The swelling
serves to isolate the infection so it won't spread until the body can deal
with it.  Right?  So in comes the silver, kills all the germs and the
selling goes down.  Well, swishing with peroxide doesn't get those results,
applying antibiotic ointment doesn't, applying alcohol doesn't, taking a
antibiotic doesn't.  This leads me to believe these things don't really work
as well as we are led to believe.

 

Lori

 

  _  

From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 

  I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly.  If the
drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast
healing rates? 

Exactly what drugs are you talking about?  Very few if any drugs promote
healing that I know of.  Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do not promote
healing. The only things that I know of that really promote healing are
natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and CS. 

Marshall 
  
  

RE: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

[David W Kenney]

The only negative about all this is knowing whether the CS prevents
transmission.  If it is truly Leukemia positive then it is a danger to other
cats it comes in contact with.
I would have the cat rechecked to see if it has converted to a negative
testto be safe.


-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

My cat has been drinking the EIS straight, when I refill their water 
dishhe dives in and starts in on the EIS before I can add the water. 
I figure he knows what he is doing.
For a sprained paw, I have dipped the paw in a mix of EIS and DMSO and 
also dabbed it onto the paw with a cotton ball. It healed right up, with 
no infection
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:

>  CS has been keeping a [supposedly] fatal case of feline leukemia at bay
>for going on 6 years now in a friends cat.
> The cat prefers drinking the CS over any other water.
>
>Ode
>
>At 01:19 AM 5/12/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>  
>
>>As far as I know CS is completely safe for cats.
>>
>>I add it to my cat's drinking water continuously (in small doses).
>>
>>-Raine
>>
>>SCD Traveler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is it safe for cats? Internally?
>>>thanks for any response
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>  
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RE: CS>Vanadium

[David W Kenney]

Both Chromium and Vanadium are great for diabetes


-Original Message-
From: Marshalee [mailto:mama...@netzero.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Vanadium

Dear Callie,
I don`t think CS helps diabetes, but Vanadium does. It is an element.
 I take 10 mcg a day (in my vitamin /mineral tablets I get from Walmart,)
and so far, my blood sugar is good (86 fasting), in spite of my age 
(almost 53), weight (too darn close to 300), and my sugar addiction. 
Might want to check into it.
Marshalee

> Hi, I'm new  looking for any stories on colloidal silver helping 
> diabetes.  Thank you.
> Callie



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RE: CS>Re: Questions

[David W Kenney]

Colloidal silver is a remarkable product...but it is NOT a panacea for a
number of reasons.  Cocker Spaniels are more prone to frequent and/or
chronic ear infections than many other breeds.   
Once the original infection is under control and there are no longer any
open sores in the ear canals then a good preventative is 1/2 white vinegar
and 1/2 iso-propyl alcohol once a week or after any possible insult to the
ear.  You can add CS to this solution for an added benefit.


-Original Message-
From: Yvonne [mailto:yvon...@isp.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: Questions

Hi All,
I just want to say THANKS to everyone who gave me info and answered my 
questions.  As soon as I get my colloidal silver generator, I am sure I will

have more questions since I'm really new to this concept.  The first CS I 
purchased was from Rich Adams and it has done wonders to heal cuts, scrapes,

etc and I'm putting it in my dog's drinking water and taking some myself 
each day.  My dog has severe allergies and I have tried just about anything 
and everything--different vets, all kinds of supplements, foods, etc.  Some 
things work marginally and others not at all.  I'm trying the CS now on her 
ears.  She is a Cocker Spaniel and they are an ongoing problem.  I'm taking 
the CS myself for arthritis and it seems to be helping.

Thanks again for the information.

Yvonne 


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RE: CS>

[David W Kenney]

You might consider this article on fibromyalgia.

http://www.my4life.com/drdave

Success Stories...

Fibromyalgia
I have fibromyalgia and multiple sclerosis (MS). I just have been in lots
and lots of pain for years. It started with migraines when I was younger and
then I had polio when I was 28. From that time on, the pain and the chronic
migraines just got worse and worse. Finally, I ended up in bed and felt like
I was a piece of cooked spaghetti because I lost all my strength from my
neck down. I couldn't walk and I couldn't function. I had used a lot of
herbs, I had been to a lot of doctors, and had used alternative remedies for
years. 

A friend talked me into using a product containing transfer factors. I
started out feeling just a little bit more strength if I lay in bed. I got a
little bit stronger and a little bit stronger. I noticed I could at least
get up with a cane or something like that for a little bit of time. Little
by little I got stronger and then I had more time between my episodes.
Finally after about two and a half months on that product, I felt really,
really good and didn't have a lot of episodes until I went outside and
started pulling weeds. That kind of knocked me down again for a day. 

I have also been using a product for the pain that contains Methyl sulfonyl
methane (MSM), Boswellia serrata, Grape extract, Devil's Claw, Alpha lipoic
acid, Magnesium, Vitamin B6, Malic acid and more, which has just been
fantastic. Whenever I start feeling the pain come on, I use that product. 

Later, I tried a product with transfer factors, zinc, maitake and shiitake
mushrooms, IP6, cordyceps, thymic factors, manans and beta glucan. I had a
little bit more cleansing go on, so I backed off the amount I was using. I'm
just doing great. In fact I'm out jumping on the trampoline with the
grandkids sometimes. I do have to watch it a little bit and get some rest.
But I've never been down like I was last year. It's just been fantastic.

S. H.
Utah

Trem, Or anybody who can answer this.

My husband has Fibromyalgia. Are you familiar with this and if so have you
heard of anybody's experiences using ionic and/or colloidal ? Or do you have
any suggestions. He was just diagnosed about a month ago so I am checking
into all avenues that could help him with this ugly disease. Thanks in
advance for anything you come up with.

 

Laurie

 

http://www.youravon.com/lbartlett 

RE: CS>Body pH

[David W Kenney]

I would say you have it backwards...your serum, saliva, and urine pH should
be alkaline...NOT acid.  Most of the research I've read indicates that all
sick and all cancer people slip to the acid sideand that cancer cannot
grow in the alkaline environment.  Please recheck your data before you
continue the path you are on.  If you find something different...please
advise with references.  Thank you.

Hi S&JY,

When you hear about body ph. you must ask, what part of the body. is it the
blood, the urine, the saliva or the water inside the cells or the cell
walls or the stomach acid. they are all differnt some are acid and some are
alkaline.

There is a lot of information on the PH and how it relates to heath and
disease on the Internet. I have however read a few things that would say the
opposite and the more I read it the more I think its true.
So I have been working towards the acid side . Acid is a proton donor and
protons are what is life. So I am consuming acids regularly. I do lemon
juice and Betaine HCL and also carbonic acid in order to gain more protons
in the body which makes it more acid. they have the water ionizers all over
the market and they tell you to drink the alkaline water and toss the acid
water. so since most of the things that I have seen that are taken as common
knowledge always turn out to be the opposite . I drink the acid water also
in small doses. 
http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml 




Take care,
 V


> I have been reading some things that suggest as we age, our systems tend
to
> become more acidic, and this in turn makes our systems more vulnerable to
> disease (e.g. cancer) and eventually death.  Some advocate ingesting foods
> or other organic or inorganic compounds to shift one's pH to be slightly
> alkaline.

> Has anyone had any experience alkalizing their bodies?  For example, is
> anyone having good results with a product called Alkaline Body Balance, or
> others like it, to mitigate cancer or other medical problems?

> To keep it CS oriented, I would assume there would be no harm in taking
> products to increase body alkalinity (e.g. potassium or cesium salts)
along
> with doses of Colloidal and Ionic Silver.  Comments?

> --Steve Y. (circa 2000 on the list)





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RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

I should point out that NO Dr. will administer a vaccine at gun
pointso..it is NOT his fault.  If a law passes that requires everyone to
have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID card)
then the person will be forced to get the vaccine.  Again the Dr. is only
following the law.  If we wish to stop this insanity...then we need to
address these issues with those we elect  Due Process I'm told it is.


-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave

Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy,  but I have one 
comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about 
health issues:  be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate 
violence.

I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur 
posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes 
highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence 
against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author 
unambiguously advocates shooting them.   This is not a mere rhetorical 
device or hyperbolic outburst;  the author evidently is quite sincere 
in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination.   He 
makes this statement several times in the essay.

I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web 
site.   Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such 
advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such 
comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence 
himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely 
worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and 
worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to 
follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole 
issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best 
people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper 
course of action in an emergency.  The point here is simple, though:  
if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors 
would make me very worried indeed.   I would want law enforcement 
people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions.

In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and 
anyone doing wrong need to be exposed.   However, those who advocate 
violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to 
bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them.

I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that 
has brought about the controversy.




On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:

> Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents...
>
> "... an anti-establishment political philosophy..."
>
> "... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..."


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RE: CS>Autism

[David W Kenney]

Transfer factor is basically the very active ingredients in colostrum.
Depending on the form used...it can increase the NK cells (immunity) by
450+%.
Check out:  http://www.my4life.com/drdave for information on this
supplement.
However, there was a recent report of a physician on the east coast who has
actually cured Autism in many children by getting rid of heavy metals in the
system.  I'll try to find the source for this and send it along.


-Original Message-
From: William Amos [mailto:wa...@mailstation.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Autism

A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as being autistic.
Some of the information on the net refers to Transfer Factor
It's not clear if this is a medication or treatment. Can someone
explain..ThanksBill


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RE: CS>Cancer Testing?

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Since Pregnancy tests differwhich one are they referring to here?
Thanks

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From: Himagain [mailto:himag...@fablor.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Cancer Testing?

Connie,

Forgot to mention:
The Pregnancy test means one of two things if positive:
1. You are pregnant. (90% accurate)
2.  You have Cancer. (If not pregnant)

Good test for a male, not so good for a female.   But better and more 
accurate than anything the Medicalmafia has
Very best of all:  Ph Testing.  If Acid - very prone to Cancer onset.  If 
Alkaline, no Cancer. (Their tests were wrong again.)

Oh, and go get a different Naturopath.  A half-trained one would set up the 
Ph tests instantly.

Cheers,
Himagain
NOTE:   Anything expressed by the writer is strictly for entertainment 
purposes and of a satirical nature and must not be construed as any form of 
advice or anything beyond anecdotal entertainment.  ( This won't save me 
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RE: CS>ultimate expert

[David W Kenney]

Along this same note:  If you took everything all the experts claim is
absolutely essential...you'd be taking 24 gallons of some liquid and 863
capsules of something every day
So one has to be quite selective.
The best way is to eat right, not eat wrong and truly supplement what is
most likely missing in your diet...  Your body will do the rest.


> At 04:37 AM 24/02/05, Dan wrote:
>
> >John, I am surprised that you keep quoting William Campbell Douglass II,
> >MD.
> >Many of the things that he strenuously advocates such as heavy meat
> >eating  are diametrically opposed to the advice you are giving...
> >
> >Not directed at John specifically, but, if you take everything Dr.
> >Mercola, for instance, has written about what is good for you and what
> >is bad for you, I bet you would find that you can't eat or drink
> >anything.
> >(sigh)
> >Dan
>
> Hi Dan & folks,
> I only said "always a good read"!  He does have a lot of non-mainstream
> interesting stuff.
>
> As for the rest of your comments, that is pretty well the truth!
> Almost everything you eat today and the environment you inhabit *IS* bad
> for you. :-)
>
> *Everything* has been corrupted to an incredible degree.  That is what
> prompted the creation of the very word "MATRIXIDE" by Kilneth and the
> Website.
> It really looks like, on the massive mountain of ever-growing evidence,
> that it is deliberate - they ARE trying to kill us!
>
> HOWEVER - As the *original* "Good Book" the ancient Ku a'la  warns us from
> 4890 years ago:
> There is nothing between you and the god. Except what you put there. It is
> only the fear and laziness of being personally responsible that allows
> parasitical Kings and Priests to exist. "
> In other words, do your own research and never accept any other being as
> the *ultimate* guru.  They are all only human.  Even Jesus overstepped the
> limits and got himself crucified - and I don't think many people see
anyone
> out there as potent as Jesus, today, do they?
> Or do they...  ?:-)
>
> Peace! Or else!
> HimagainSomebody felt sorry for his loss of mangoes ( a local reader)
> and sent me some "Dragon Fruit". Never heard of them before.  Horrible
> looking things like a dwarf pineapple and red, but a fabulous taste! Sorta
> fruit-saladish-mulberry??
>
>
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RE: CS>Bird flu question

[David W Kenney]

My suggestion is that in addition to CS...one takes transfer factor which
will boost the immune system.  Also, rife therapy will probably take care of
it as well.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Bird flu question

I was just listening to a program on Minnesota Public Radio (Tuesday,
Morning Edition, you should be able to listen to it on the net, Google
MPR).  The person being interviewed was Michael Osterholm, (Michael
Osterholm is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and
Policy at the University of Minnesota).  Anyway, he basically went on a
1 hour rant about the fact that a bird flu pandemic is coming and how it
would not be physically possible to ramp up our industrial capacity for
making vaccines, antivirals, and antibiotics in time for everyone who
will need it.  

While I cannot say that CS will prevent one from getting bird flu, I
would say that it would, properly used, prevent most of the deaths from
secondary infections, etc during the time that the antibiotics are in
short supply.  (CS may be better anyway.)

Dan




CS>Bird flu question

From: Deborah Gerard (view other messages by this author) 
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:10:25 




Hello group, I am a newbie here. I have recently made my own collodial
silver and want
to know how affective it would be against the bird flu that is
threatening to come our way...thanks
much ...Debbie


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RE: CS>Bird flu question

[David W Kenney]

I would agree with this...however any variant of influenza can be
devastating to the very young and the old.  Therefore, taking some
precautions now, and being ready in the future seems like good advice to me.


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:20 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Bird flu question

I think this is all hype personally. How would they know what the next flu
is going
to be before it mutates into it? Unless they are making it themselves and
spreading
it.

They are just trying to keep the fear level up, just like all the security
alerts
the government announces that NEVER lead to anything.  General fear of the
people
means more control for the government.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

> I was just listening to a program on Minnesota Public Radio (Tuesday,
> Morning Edition, you should be able to listen to it on the net, Google
> MPR).  The person being interviewed was Michael Osterholm, (Michael
> Osterholm is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and
> Policy at the University of Minnesota).  Anyway, he basically went on a
> 1 hour rant about the fact that a bird flu pandemic is coming and how it
> would not be physically possible to ramp up our industrial capacity for
> making vaccines, antivirals, and antibiotics in time for everyone who
> will need it.
>
> While I cannot say that CS will prevent one from getting bird flu, I
> would say that it would, properly used, prevent most of the deaths from
> secondary infections, etc during the time that the antibiotics are in
> short supply.  (CS may be better anyway.)
>
> Dan
>
> CS>Bird flu question
>
> From: Deborah Gerard (view other messages by this author)
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:10:25
>
>


>
> Hello group, I am a newbie here. I have recently made my own collodial
> silver and want
> to know how affective it would be against the bird flu that is
> threatening to come our way...thanks
> much ...Debbie
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RE: CS>Needing help

[David W Kenney]

Contact Dr. Loyd.  He has great success with cancers.especially if there has
been no chemo or x-ray therapy.

Richard Loyd, Ph.D. [drl...@comcast.net]

http://www.royalrife.com

Dr Dave

 

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From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Needing help

 

Hi all.  Just learned over the weekend that my cousin has breast cancer.
She is open-minded about alternative/homeopathic treatments and is receptive
to any and all information.  She will be undergoing surgery and radiation.
I will forward any suggestions to her, but will appreciate it if you refrain
from doctor-bashing, mainstream-treatment-bashing, etc.  I won't send her
anything that undermines her confidence in her medical treatment.  I do
believe that one of the most important things in treating cancer is having a
positive outlook on the choices that you make.  I do believe that she will
be willing to try most anything in conjunction with her medical treatment.
I have already sent her to a website with information on Graviola and
Ellagic Acid.  Any replies will be greatly appreciated.  TIA.   MA

RE: CS>varicose veins question, was

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

It is not a cure...it is merely a temporary measure...
Look for the cause...and solve it.

-Original Message-
From: william meyer [mailto:calis...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>varicose veins question, was 

on the contrary, removing low functioning veins actually improves 
circulation
to the heart. the remaining veins in the muscle sheath easily carry the 
load
and blood stagnates less in bad veins.
i have varicose veins, i eat an excellent diet, and i am very thin.



>> It is always best to attack the cause rather than work on the symptoms.
>> Varicose veins are a symptom of major problems.  When one strips veins 
>> it
>> removes a bit of the circulation back to the heart putting a larger 
>> load on
>> the remaining veins...hence an exacerbation of the problem...not a 
>> cure.
>> She needs to ask the question...why do I have this problem.  Overweight
>> perhaps?


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RE: CS>varicose veins question, was Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #60 REPLY

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

It is always best to attack the cause rather than work on the symptoms.
Varicose veins are a symptom of major problems.  When one strips veins it
removes a bit of the circulation back to the heart putting a larger load on
the remaining veins...hence an exacerbation of the problem...not a cure.
She needs to ask the question...why do I have this problem.  Overweight
perhaps?  

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>varicose veins question, was Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest
V2005 #60 REPLY

Just for my own information. Is surgical stripping or laser sealing of 
varicose veins a permanent "cure"?
I was speaking to a friend who had this surgery done a year ago, and she 
got angry at me because I told her I believed the underlying problems 
that allows the varicosities to happen in the first place is still 
there, and unless addressed other veins in her feet/legs will varicose 
eventually. I mean she was obviously terribly insulted by my opinion. 
She is an extremely active person, walking miles daily, a lot of it up 
and down steepish hills, this isn't new, she has always been active and 
walked like that, even while and before she developed terrible varicose 
veins. She now says the walking is protecting her from getting any more, 
but that doesn't seem likely, if she was also walking as and before she 
got them in the first place?
In the interest of fairness, I thought I'd ask just in case I'm wrong 
and she is right and she is "cured".
TIA,
sol

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RE: CS>cat with kidney problem

[David W Kenney]

I am sure that CS will not hurt the cat with kidney failure however it
probably will not stop the progress of the condition.

Since 25% of the body's blood goes through the kidneys every minute then any
absorbed CS should reach the kidneys instantly..and reduce any infection in
the area,

Your first order of business is to take the load off the kidneys by feeding
an almost perfect protein.such as eggs.   If you feed them raw then make
sure to separate the whites from the yolks otherwise many vitamins will be
destroyed.  You can mix some CS in the egg mixture just to make sure you are
not passing along any pathogens that are in the eggs.

Alternatively, you should look into rife therapy..there are a number of
possibilities here for your cat.

Dr. Dave (DVM)

 

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From: Carol Green [mailto:cjgreen9...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>cat with kidney problem

 

Can cs help a cat diagnosed with kidney failure and what dosage to give.  I
have 10ppm?  Please help my friend just lost one cat and now her other one
is sick.



Thank you,

Carol Green

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RE: CS>Need some sound advice

[David W Kenney]

First I'd like to emphasize "Himagain's" statement...do your own due
diligence.  It is your disease...and your body.  Check out all advice
thoroughly before acting.
My own mother died of COPD...emphysema years ago due to smoking for 7
years...and she smoked until the day she died against all advice
I was then totally allopathic in my thinking then so could offer her no
options that her Doctors were not offering her...which is just slow,
stressful death.
I have thought a lot about what I would do now, with what I know now.
First I would get on a broad mineral supplement...and a perfect diet...
I would Fscan and treat accordingly to get rid of any pathogens...ie
parasites, bacteria, fungous, molds, etc.
Next I would get on collagen supplements and the minerals that allow it to
be utilized with the goal of providing the lungs with the building blocks it
needs in order to repair itself.
Since COPD/emphysema is a "hardening" of the lung tissue making it resistant
to flexibility (expansion/contraction) of the bronchi/bronchioles and
alveoli (air sacs) one wants to reverse that process and begin to get
flexibility again.  
Although the fscan may pick this up and treat it...there are frequencies in
Nenah Sylver's book concerning fibrosis of the lung.  If you rife with these
frequencies then it may well be that the fibrosis will reverse if you have
the collagen (components of elastic tissue) available.
I have used the collagen therapy for years to reduce wrinkles.  It has done
well for me and at 71, I have very few wrinkles...and if you have wrinkles
it means that the rest of you body is hardening as well
So...do what you will, check it out...and do something to get off the train
you are on right now.
Dr. Dave

-Original Message-
From: Himagain [mailto:himag...@fablor.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:34 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Need some sound advice

At 06:57 AM 10/02/05, you wrote:

>Hi Steve -- thanks for responding to Darcy's request for help.  She is 
>operating from a borrowed laptop and it won't let her receive posts from 
>this group -- go figure -- so asked me to forward your post to her.  I 
>did.  She doesn't have cancer, she has alpha lung disease (I think that's 
>what it's called).  Guys -- she is desperate for help.  The posts with 
>H202 configurations are no help at all.  Please -- she's in trouble. MA

Hi there,
All of these things are scary - especially the names!
Here is some basic info:
  COPD -- emphysema and/or chronic bronchitis.
Alternative Names
Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency; Bronchitis: Chronic; Chronic Bronchitis; 
Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease; Emphysema

Chronic obstructive lung disease (COLD), also known as chronic obstructive 
pulmonary disease (COPD), is characterized by a limitation of the airflow 
in the lung, which develops over time and is not totally reversible.
COLD is associated with a set of breathing-related symptoms:
Chronic cough.
Spitting or coughing mucus (expectoration).
Breathlessness upon exertion.
Progressive reduction in the ability to exhale.

They are all essentially the same thing.  Destruction of the lung tissue 
over time - almost always due to environmental factors combined with 
self-induced injury, ( bad diet, smoking, e.g. )

Before any gains can be made for her the following are necessary bits of
data:

1. Does she smoke? Is she still smoking?
2. Does she exercise?  ( No matter how ill, there are exercises necessary 
to avoid shutting down)
3. MOST important:  What is she taking?  Remember Steroids like fake 
Cortisone destroy people by the million every year.  Antibiotics? The name 
says it all.
4.  What eating "lifestyle" does she have?  Unless helping her 
immune/repair system, little can be done.

However, from observation and reports, it is medical "treatment" that 
exacerbates the problem in most cases and it is vital to go on the net and 
look up the side-effects of any recent medications. Then get off them.

Cheers,
Himagain
WHO REMINDS ALL THAT THIS IS AN OPINION BASED ON ANECDOTAL DATA AND I AM 
NOT A MEDICAL FRANCHISEE IN ANY WAY - THIS IS NOT PROPOSED TREATMENT, 
MERELY INFORMATION. DUE DILIGENCE IS VITAL BEFORE TAKING ANY ACTION BASED 
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RE: CS>mycoplasma to jim and question about cs for scalp fungus and laetrile

[David W Kenney]

Years ago we had many bird deaths due to eating apricot kernels.  This was
only after a frost.

They contain amygdalin which is converted to cyanide and an aldehyde..

Fortunately, the master planner included an enzyme in some types of cancer
cells that can break the amydalin down to its component parts.which works to
kill off the cancer cells.  Normal cells do nothing.

 

 

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From: cliff hume [mailto:ch...@shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:16 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>mycoplasma to jim and question about cs for scalp fungus and
laetrile

 

Apricot kernels have been seized from all of the health food stores in
Canada and the USA, because when used properly with an adequate diet, they
have been shown to stop and reverse many cancers.

 

The same thing that is in apricot kernels is also in apple seeds, millet and
many other foods, especially that of seeds.

 

You must not eat many of the foods known to cure cancer or other problems -
if it is going to put the big pharms out of business or stopping governments
from running our lives as if we were cattle or sheep.

- Original Message - 

From: Sally Khanna   

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:32 AM

Subject: Re: CS>mycoplasma to jim and question about cs for scalp fungus and
laetrile

 

Betsy,

 

You might try Neem powder.  It's anti-fungal.

 

Sally

Betsy Coffey  wrote:

Thanks Jim for your reply. I will do the research.
Pardon my typos. I meant to say what for when and it
for is . I knew that it was closely related to
syphilis and was sure that it was a bacteria. So much
more to know as they keep doing research. I have a
question for anyone that can answer.
For scalp infections that are fungal related, would
putting cs directly on the scalp help? The only
treatment is an oral antifungal for 6 weeks.I could
not tolerate this as I am already ill and medications
make me sick. I have tried tea tree oil to no avail.
Nizerol shampoo has helped somewhat but does not cure
this and I have been losing hair.
I wanted to comment on laetrile-isnt this apricot seed
derivitive? I know that this was used as a cancer
treatment (alternative) years ago but I had not heard
much about it lately. Last week I saw apr! icot seeds in
a local health food store and it said to be used with
caution. I was wondering if anyone has ever used them
or purchased them at a health food store. I have been
in many health food stores and have never seen them
before. I was also wondering why they are to be used
with caution. 

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RE: CS>dave-lyme and mike -cancer

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

You know, it just might be the Dr. Clark's synchrometer might diagnose Lyme
disease easily.  All one would have to have is a culture of the Borelia and
then it could be diagnosed by a person who is able to use the equipment
competently


-Original Message-
From: Betsy Coffey [mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>dave-lyme and mike -cancer

Dave, I dont think it is a misconception but maybe I
didnt understand what you meant. Lyme is a spirocete
bacteria like you said. With lyme disease, you can
also harbor other infections bacterial or otherwise.
YOu can also have babesia which is a parasite. There
are various bacterial infections that go undiagnosed
as actual infections. Fibromyalgia is a good example.
It can be bacterial or fungal in nature. You are right
that lyme is a great imitator of illness. My hope is
that someday, there will be more definitive tests for
it.
Mike here is a web site that I just posted on another
forum. I dont know anything about this product but
will post it anyway.
http://lifelinewater.com/herb.html
Other web sites
http://russtanner.com/Cancer/Cancer_IMO_2001-02.html(pages
5 and 6)
http://www.drmagaziner.com/returns9.htm
article in Dec archives posted by
campbe...@members.v21.co.uk
http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/repfromcanco.html
http://www.cancersalves.com/articles/quality.html
http://www.1cure4cancer.com/controlcancer/information/natureofcancer/herbcan
cer.html
http://www.aboutroyalrife.com/ed/cancer.htm
http://members.aol.com/DHelmut52/Rec_engl.html
http://www.heall.com/body/resource/organizations/cancer.html
(very good reference web sites for alternatives)
www.aami-cancer.com
http://www.a3r.org/briefs/cancer_str
ategies.cfm
www.polymva.com
http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/cancer.html#sarcoma
www.MagiHerbs.com
INformation resources-CANHELP-Washington-206-437-2291
Healing Choices-Brooklyn NY-718-636-4433
Some REading material- Alternatives in Cancer Therapy
by Rose Pelton and LEe Overholser
Very good article in the FEB.March 2003 magazine of
Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients(you can back
order these)
Excellent article on the newest cancer modalities in
the November 2000 issue of Alternative Medicine.
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RE: CS>wilma and question to himagain

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Mycoplasma is now classified as an acid fast bacterium.  Years ago it was
classified in the lmyphogranularium group because they couldn't decide
whether it was a virus or a bacterium, having some qualities of both

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From: Dave [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>wilma and question to himagain

Betsy
  Is a mycoplasma a bacteria ?
Lyme is caused by a spirochete which is a spiral shaped bacteria.
This is the second time lately I've seen this misconception.
  Lyme is the great imitator. It could be that Lyme could cover all of 
her problems.

 Dave


Betsy Coffey wrote:


>I was just wondering if Wilma has been tested for
>mycoplasma infections like lyme etc. which can cause
>some of her bowel troubles. Also chronic systemic
>candidias can be a problem esp if she has been on alot
>of antibioitcs. If this is the case, I think that
>supplements are helpful rather than harmful but it is
>important to get them in a form that she can
>assimilate.
>A question for himagain- I agree that many supplements
>are stressful to the body but I do think it is hard to
>get what you need in food the way that it is
>processed-even good food is lacking due to soil
>depletion etc.
>The question that I have regards the collodial
>minerals that the tape you suggested recommends. I
>wanted to know if you take this mineral supplement and
>have you had luck with it? I keep hearing how
>collodial minerals have heavy metals in them.
>thanks
>
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RE: CS>Cancer therapies...

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Check out curcurmin and graviola along with rife, etc.

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Cancer therapies...

Greetings,

I've been working very hard the last week exploring alternative cancer 
therapies in greater depth. A good friend is diagnosed with colon 
cancer, with possible liver involvement. He'll get word back on the 
liver pathology tomorrow, so we'll know more soon.

>From what I see, he's a good candidate for the alternatives. He's still 
quite strong and healthy, his wife is open to these ideas and has 
health-care experience, and they have friends and family enough to 
provide support if they need it.

I've found good, solid information on the Gerson therapy. Anybody have 
any stories to tell about it, good or bad? 

I haven't found anything good enough on the Budwig diet and therapy 
that I'd be willing to give to somebody else. Any pointers? Web sites, 
books? Brooks has recommended Budwig in the past. I'll have to refer 
back to some of his posts to see what resources were suggested. 
Anything else?

If they decide to add or substitute some alternative therapies, I'll be 
continuing this research for a while. Any other comments are welcome -- 
direct experiences, particularly. I'd like to provide some first hand 
testimonials from folks I know, apart from the ones in books and 
elsewhere.

Peace, all.

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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RE: CS>Codex -- 1000 mg Vit."C" into STORE!?

[David W Kenney]

Remember.companies are required to say a product (vitamin/vaccine/drug,
etc.) will last at least so many years.there is no incentive for them to
prove that they may last 10, 15, years or longer.   It took the FDA 5
decades to finally say that a tetanus vaccination would last 10 years..

 

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From: David S Osborne [mailto:ide...@juno.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 2:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Codex -- 1000 mg Vit."C" into STORE!?

 

the "expiration" dates on the containers are arbitrary, are they not??

the same for all...  aren't most things marked to expire +2
years?

 

haven't I seen that some things are damaged by refrigeration, let alone

freezing?

 

I have really benefitted in switching to ester-c. where does one get
that?

 

.there are a million questions we face if our sources are to be cut off
in the near future and I wonder who really knows the answers, other than
guesses. I wonder if packaging that suggests "cool dry place" is really from
a truly knowlegable source or maybe just common sense.

 

Does anyone know anyone at LEF??  .that may be able to get some informed
information??

I guess any of us who are members can submit requests for info.

 

davido

 

 

 

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:10:21 -0800 Nessie  writes:
> How about freezing???
>nessie..
> 
> 
> What might be the best way TO EXTEND THIS SHELF LIFE? Can one extend 
> the 
> SHELF LIFE?
> 
> 1)Does one use VACUUM packing?
> 2)Use a CANNING PROCESS?
> 3What is the practical Shelf Life of say, Vitamin C?
> 
> These question are meant to be food for thought!!! Listers -- put on 
> 
> your thinking caps!!
> 
> The questions apply to other vitamins etc etc.
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RE: CS>Help with sons earache!

[David W Kenney]

An alternative medicine MD once gave a lecture indicating Vitamin A
deficiency was one of the main causes of ear infections.

You might give it a try.  

 

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From: James McCourt, Ph.D. [mailto:dr...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:03 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Help with sons earache!

 

They used hydrogen peroxide on me.

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From: fl...@aol.com 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 3:30 PM

Subject: CS>Help with sons earache!

 

Hi Gang,

 

My 14 year old son Sean is miserable with an earache. Anybody have
experience treating earaches?

 

Thanks,

Dana 

RE: CS> Diabetes, neuropathy, thyroid problems, etc.

[David W Kenney]

Excellent Nenah
There is so much more to all of this isn't there.
I should have mentioned the 'parasite' theory as well as proposed by Dr.
Clark and yourself.   
And, you are right as an allopathically trained doctor I have to really
strain somewhat to think in the alternative linesbut I'm getting
there...  I didn't know that CS might help with parasites...Thank you.

===

Hello Denise.
I am not a doctor and I do not treat, diagnose or prescribe. Having said
that, here is what occurred to me when I read your post:

There is an intricate relationship between the thyroid, adrenals, pituitary,
and sex organs. When one is off balance, the others try to compensate for
the weakness or excess of the dysfunctional gland. Furthermore, other glands
and organs are also affected. It's like hitting the front domino and then
all the rest in the pile fall down.

It's important to think *systemically* rather than in terms of individual
symptoms -- because if you think only in terms of individual symptoms, you
won't get the big picture or perceive any cause-and-effect relationship.
Most medical names describe the symptoms rather than explain *why* the
symptoms have occurred. So, for example, the condition called "neuropathy"
simply indicates that there is a problem with the nervous system. It doesn't
indicate why this problem exists. And of course then there is no clue as to
how to fix the problem.

There are many reasons for a gland or organ shutting down or not working
properly. Microbes such as flukes have been found in the pancreas, for
instance; and this upsets the insulin regulating mechanism of the body.
Colloidal silver disables microbes and does a wonderful job doing it. This
is the microbial approach to ill health. Some people -- with everything from
cancer to Lyme disease to the flu -- drink as much as several quarts of
colloidal silver daily.
Properly made colloidal silver is not only highly effective, it is
completely safe.

The ability of glands and organs to function is highly dependent on being
free of microbes. However, functionality also depends on the correct
feedback loop of hormones and other biochemicals that get sent through the
nervous system as messages. If these glands and organs are impaired, the
person will experience various symptoms such as feelings of coldness,
numbness in legs, etc.

I have been to a doctor only once in the last 25 years. Allopathically
(Western medicine) trained doctors generally don't understand how the body
works as an integrated unit. They are taught to manage pathology, *after*
the system has broken down. If it were me, I'd find a homeopath, naturopath,
and/or chiropractor who understands the relationship between different body
parts.

Nutrition is key to being well. Different people have an affinity for
different diets. However, what I can say as a former diabetic myself is that
it's real important to avoid refined carbohydrates like the plague, to go
easy on complex carbs, and to eat plenty of vegetables, good fats (virgin
coconut and olive), and moderate amounts of animal protein. Just about
everything I eat is organic.

Ridding the body of contaminants is another key to being well. Twentieth
century doctor and researcher Alexis Carrel kept tissue from a chicken heart
alive for 28 years simply by changing daily the mineral bath the tissue was
immersed in.
The tissue died when Carrel discontinued changing the water. This clearly
shows that when the waste products of cellular metabolism are removed from
our cells, the cells can continue to regenerate. Translated into practical
terms, we need to get rid of the waste materials in our systems that prevent
the proper function of the body.

In my two books (excerpts of which are on my website; see below), I discuss
in depth what nourishes us, and how critical it is to detoxify. Both aspects
are vital in maintaining or restoring health.

People who are used to being patients in the allopathic medical model are
understandably nervous about switching to holistically trained
professionals.
They have been taught to view allopathic medicine as the only correct
medicine, the only right view. Western trained doctors can be great for
emergencies and for surgery, but these services constitute only a small
portion of what healing is all about. I encourage you to see other
professionals and learn what your options can be.

Regards,
Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing
and The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
http://www.nenahsylver.com
Holistic health products, supplements and services




- Original Message - 
From: "Denise Rollheiser" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: CS>


> Not sure if I've ever introduced myselfI'm Denise, from Saskatoon,
Saskatchewan Canada and I have been lurking for some months here, trying to
learn all I can about CS - and WOW!  I have learned lots!
>
> I'm needing to pick your collective bra

RE: CS>

[David W Kenney]

Hi..

This is somewhat off topic.but tried to send directly and it didn't get
through.so sorry silver list members.

 

I can tell you what I would do (and in fact am doing) if I were in your
situation.

It appears that you have a primary circulatory problem, probably diabetic
etiology.

You should order Dr. Richard Schultz's catalog..or call for one at
800-437-2362.

Then order his cayenne pepper products..

Make up a saturated tincture (alcohol---I use vodka) solution.  In other
words add so enough alcohol so that there is still some undissolved in the
bottom of the bottle.

You can also pick up habanero peppers, add alcohol and blend them..(This is
what do.)

This will increase circulation up to 100 times..and may just do wonders..

I have used this for years now as a preventative.and use his eye drops for
glaucoma and cataracts..and it works for me..

If you ever get the extremity ulcers (which hopefully you can prevent) the
CS is great for that as well.

In addition you should be on Vanadium and Chromium supplementation for the
Diabetes.and of course you are familiar with the dietary changes you should
make I'm sure.

If you have any questions..please advise.

Dr. Dave

RE: CS>Pancreatic Cancer

[David W Kenney]

First, pancreatitis of which cancer of might well produce depending on how
fast it is growing is the MOST painful condition known that we may endure.
It is possible he was doubled over in pain and subsequent respiratory
problems...  And of course when all the enzymes of the pancreas pour into
the system they could cause very bizarre systemic signs.
One person on this list indicated the cure of some cancer with 16
oz/day...but I wouldn't rely on this as a panacea...look into all avenues...


-Original Message-
From: William Amos [mailto:wa...@mailstation.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Pancreatic Cancer

A friend is being treated for pancreatic cancer. He was found on the floor
of the post office unable to breath. He is on very expensive medicine. Does
anyone know if the breathing problem could be a result of the cancer and of
course, has anyone had any experiance using CS for this type of disease
?...Bill Amos


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RE: CS>test - what happens to your messages

[David W Kenney]

Years ago the government had a program like this called Carnivore.  When
they began to use it there was an uproar and supposedly they shut it down.
Now with the Patriotic Act they can literally do anything so I imagine it is
going full tilt.

-Original Message-
From: William Amos [mailto:wa...@mailstation.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:16 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>test - what happens to your messages

A better explanation could be the "Echelon Network" designed
by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) and shared with the
national security agencies for Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United
Kingdom as quoted in a letter I have from U..S. Senator Rick Santorum dated
2-17-2000. It is an international surveillance system that searches for key
words in messages and forwards them to
an intelligence analyst to determine if a threat exists...Bill.
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>I have sent several messages to this list, but they never showed up.  Yet I
>am seeing other postings showing up.
>
>What's going on?
>
>Marshall

Hi Marshall & folks,
These are the results of  the NetNazi Censorship programs that intercept
about 85% of all email traffic today and censor them.  They are outside the
law and becoming more dangerous by the day.
The look for "key words"  in Emails  and simply often trash them. They are
so numerous now that often - as they are run in a garage somewhere  by  a
kid or religious fanatic in a basement,  that mail is sidetracked for
hours.
There is apparently a new one run by an insane "Christian" ( a newborn
Baptist) that looks for any mention of anything Islamic and "reports" the
Senders Site as a Spammer...  and the main offender - called
SpamCop, simply puts out on its very well-used Blacklist everyone that
nutters like this "report" and for four days your whole ISP block can be
off the air to millions of Servers

Welcome to 1984.

Himagain  


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RE: CS>Friend With Breast Cancer

[David W Kenney]

That is the only good thing I've heard about Michael Moore.unless he fixes
it to support the FDA..

 

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From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Friend With Breast Cancer

 

Shortly before his incarceration, Greg Caton of altcancer.com was preparing
some fresh transfer factor for a terminally ill woman I knew. The order was
impending when he was dragged off to jail. Note again that according to
altcancer staff, Michael Moore might make a movie about this topic, God
bless him. 

JBB



On Wednesday, Jan 19, 2005, at 03:47 Asia/Tokyo, Sally Khanna wrote:

Linda,
 
I know your question was about CS mainly, but I have two friends who
recovered from "terminal" cancer by taking Transfer Factor.  If your friend
is already taking colostrum, she might consider switching, since it is less
effective that Transfer Factor, from my own experience.
 
Sally

Linda Hefferman  wrote:

Hello list.
 
I have been gleaning information from this list for sometime now and am very
grateful for all the help I have received.  I have been making colliodal
silver for about three years now and it is used by me and some of my family
and many of my friends, not to mention all of my 7 furry friends that reside
with me. 
 
My friend's basset hound was actually diagnosed with cancer (think it was
hemangioma)  and they wanted to remove most of his jaw bone.  My friend just
could not imagine poor Chucky having most of his jawbone removed and refused
to do this.  Instead she gave him catsclaw and colloidal silver.  That was 3
years ago and Chucky, to the amazement of our local vet, is doing just fine
today.  Of course she continues to give him colloidal silver daily but has
since stopped with the cats claw. 
 
Since I have seen this work with Chucky I am wondering if it could help a
friend who has been diagnosed with breast cancer.  She has undergone surgery
and they started her on chemotherapy over the Christmas holidays.  She took
one treatment and came away from it feeling like her body was being
poisoned.  She had talked to me about it and said she has decided not to
take any more chemo treatments.  I gave her some alternative information
that I had taken from the internet and she has since stopped her treatments.
She is taking colostrum to help build up her immune system and is starting
to take some of the colloidal silver that I make.  It is usually between 15
and 20 ppm as tested with my pwt.
 
She said she had this cancer for sometime now and had never felt sick until
the chemotherapy.  She feels that it was all removed with the surgery and
does not understand the urgency of the chemo treatments anyway.  I pray that
she makes the right choice in how to treat this as I have seen so many
people around me that have passed away with cancer lately.  Right now she is
only taking small amounts of colloidal silver as she is still weak from the
treatment but will increase it as she is feeling better.  If anyone out
there has any positive suggestions that I could give this lady I would
appreciate it very much.
 
She did say that they would probably try to make her take interferon next,
since she  is not doing the chemo.  I am not sure what that is myself.
Would the colloidal interfere with that if she does have to take it.
 
Thanking you all in advance.
 
 
Linda J. Hefferman







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RE: CS>Update on flu/cold that did not respond well to EIS

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Are you using over the counter peroxide.  It is said that it contains some
heavy metals...are you worried.
Wouldn't food grade be safer?

-Original Message-
From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Richard Harris
Subject: RE: CS>Update on flu/cold that did not respond well to EIS

Congratulations, Marshall and thank you for persistently experimenting and
improving and reasoning in order to obtain the best results and then sharing
with us. Jason had shared this a couple years ago and since that time, upon
completion of CS generation, I have added 4 ml 3%H2O2 to each gallon and my
users have experienced much more benefit. As you state, it's nice to
theorize--but it's NOT essential to KNOW all the details--but, rest assured
that you have a winner. Reminds me of the Engineers who examined the
Bumblebee and definitely PROVED that the bumblebee had too much bulk and
body weight and insufficient wing space to be able to fly--the Bumblebee in
his ignorance, didn't understand the engineering theories and went ahead
with his Flying! Thank you, Marshall for the excellent input you continue to
unselfishly share with "us seekers"--it's much appreciated.

Sincerely,
___
Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist
448 West Juniata Street
Clermont, FL 34711
www.rharrisinc.com
http://www.seasilver.com/reh
http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Update on flu/cold that did not respond well to EIS

OK, from what I can tell, the EIS was of marginal value for this bug.  This
is what happened:

1. I got it, ran 102 fever for 3 days, EIS did not seem to help. Took about
4 ounces of EIS with 2 or 3 drops of H2O2 added on the third night, and my
fever broke about 8 to 10 hours later.  Took 10 days to fully recover.

2. My daugher got it and ran a 102 fever.  On the second day I suggested
trying the EIS with a few drops of H2O2 added. Her fever broke about 8n
to10 hours later.  She is still weak, but recovering quite quickly and
nicely.

3. Her husband came down with it yesterday, and was running a 101.5 fever.
She gave him some EIS with H2O2 added when he got home. His fever broke
later this morning (estimated to be 8 to 10 hours after taking the EIS with
H2O2) while he was asleep, and he went to work today.

>From what I can tell the addition of H2O2 and letting sit a few minutes
then drinking it seems to really superpower EIS.  From my experiments it
appears that adding H2O2 to EIS breaks down the larger particles and reacts
with the silver ions (silver hydroxide) changing a mix a silver hydroxide
and medium sized particles to silver oxide (Ag2O), and very small
particles.

I am still not sure if it is the silver oxide or the very small silver
particles that are causing the greatly increased effectiveness, or it could
be both. But I guess it really doesn't matter, thing is, this really
works!  Note, I believe this should be used with EIS that is not much
greater than 10 ppm, since silver oxide has a solubility limit of about 13
ppm.

Marshall




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RE: CS>Friend With Breast Cancer

[David W Kenney]

One site I visited recently indicated that Graviola was 1 times more
potent in killing cancer cells than adriamycin

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:51 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Friend With Breast Cancer

It's hard to argue with success such as you had with Chucky.

You may want to check out information on Graviola.  Some alternative
practitioners have been recommending that.

With what I know, *I* would certainly be taking colloidal silver at a
fairly high level at first and tapering off to a maintenance dose for
quite a while.  I don't believe that CS/EIS causes a reaction with any
kind of medication, just the opposite; the CS/EIS may be ineffective if
taken with food, etc...  I would take it in the fashion usually
recommended here, orally on an empty stomach (or sublingually), and with
or without the additives of H2O2 or Gatoraid, etc. (Someone else may
want to comment on whether local application with DMSO is a good
idea...)

Dan



CS>Friend With Breast Cancer

From: Linda Hefferman (view other messages by this author) 
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:25:52 




Hello list.
 
I have been gleaning information from this list for sometime now and am
very grateful for all
the help I have received.  I have been making colliodal silver for
about three years now and
it is used by me and some of my family and many of my friends, not to
mention all of my 7 furry
friends that reside with me.  

 
My friend's basset hound was actually diagnosed with cancer (think it
was hemangioma)  and
they wanted to remove most of his jaw bone.  My friend just could not
imagine poor Chucky having
most of his jawbone removed and refused to do this.  Instead she gave
him catsclaw and colloidal
silver.  That was 3 years ago and Chucky, to the amazement of our local
vet, is doing just
fine today.  Of course she continues to give him colloidal silver daily
but has since stopped
with the cats claw.  




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RE: CS>tetrasil

[David W Kenney]

Exactly how are you testing.  A resistance scale essentially with an ohm
meter?  Or is there a special piece of equipment?
Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>tetrasil

I initially got great results from the EIS [CS], then a slow regression.
The only difference I can think of is that during the successful time, I
was making batch after batch and tasting them them immediately.
 Later, I was making larger batches that lasted me a week or two.
 There is definitely something DIFFERENT about very fresh EIS, used before
it stabilizes.
 

Messsing around with H2O2 at different times during the stabilization
period has proven that to me beyond a doubt.

Since the conductivity is higher at first, more "free" ions 'could' be the
difference.

I think I'll try iontophorisis soon by wrapping silver wires around the
wetted toe and applying a little current. [Direct 'on site' silver
generation and injection through the skin...and blood electrification by
default]

Ode

>
>  Ken (Ode) has a nice rant on the effect of high ionic cs  on toenail
>  fungus, and some pictures of his infection on his web page:
>
>http://silverpuppy.com/rant.html
>
>  I'd get  a silverpuppy and crank it up to max. Put a bandage  on the
>  infection and keep it soaked with cs. The ions will go right through
>  the skin and nail and kill the fungus.
>
>  Let us know your progress!
>
>All the Best
>
>Mike Monett
>
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RE: CS>How many ppm in CS

[David W Kenney]

There talking about 5,000 to 50,000 ppm!
That's a WOW in my opinion


-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:pqunsulee...@spammotel.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>How many ppm in CS

RE: CS>How many ppm in CS
From: David W Kenney
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:15:43

  > http://www.invive.com

  > I was sent the above site...

  > It suggests  that the CS we make in the 1-2 digits  is essentially
  > worthless. Anyone  want  to  comment  on  this...or  is  this just
  > another sales technique.

  This is just another sales technique.

  If you  can  see anything in the product, it's  not  ions.  Ions are
  invisible.

  The visible  particles  generated   during  silver  electrolysis are
  silver oxides. They are inert.

  The extremely  high concentration they recommend is a  reflection of
  the biological  inertness  of silver oxides.  The  Tetrasil (Imusil)
  products are even worse - they recommend 40ppm _IN THE BLOODSTREAM_!

  A human has an average of 5 liters of blood, so this is 5 * 40 = 200
  milligrams of  silver  oxide. This is a  dangerously  high  dose for
  Agyria.

  To put  it in perspective, I take 1 oz of 20 uS cs  sublingually for
  10 minutes,  and  spit the remaining solution in  the  sink.  I once
  calculated the  maximum  amount of silver ions that  could  enter my
  bloodstream at 70 parts per billion, assuming 100% absorption.

  This was  very effective on the Shingles virus and a series  of very
  strong cold  sore viruses, and stopped them in their  tracks.  I was
  taking 8  oz  of  about 10 ppm prior, and it had  no  effect  on the
  Shingles virus, and barely dented the cold sore viruses.

  Silver ions are the only thing that will kill bacteria  and viruses.
  The oxides  are worthless, as people are starting to  discover, from
  the recent posts on various infections.

  There are  no  pure silver particles in cs, and  pure  silver cannot
  affect bacteria  or viruses. The silver has to be converted  to ions
  to be  effective, as in the Silverlon bandages for  burns.  But this
  relies on plasmas that are released in response to the  burn damage,
  that may not be present in normal body fluids.

  So ignore  the  ads  for   MSP   or   any  product  that  focuses on
  'particles'. They only give you Argyria.

All the Best,

Mike Monett


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RE: CS>How many ppm in CS

[David W Kenney]

www.invive.com

I was sent the above site...
It suggests that the CS we make in the 1-2 digits is essentially worthless.
Anyone want to comment on this...or is this just another sales technique.


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Subject: CS>How many ppm in CS

CS>How many ppm in CS
From: JB
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:00:21
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m76914.html

  > How could you explain the following:

  > I used 240 ml of distilled water and TDS (total  dissolved solids)
  > meter to measure number of ppm.

  > The reading of ppm before applying the CS generator with about 26V
  > from batteries: 2ppm

  > After 10 min and stirring the water I read 3 ppm
  > After next 10 min the reading was 5 ppm
  > Finally after 25 min I had 7 ppm on my meter.

  > Can we  say  that the amount of silver liberated  in  my distilled
  > water was 5ppm?

  > Regards
  > Jurek

  Hi Jurek,

  You are correct in subtracting the initial dw reading from the final
  result, but  it  is  not clear what correction  factor  the  TDS may
  require.

  Some TDS meters use a 0.5 or 0.7 correction factor to  convert their
  measured conductivity  in uS to ppm. For example, the  Hanna HI9033,
  HI9034, HI9039,   HI9130,   HI933100,   and   HI9635   use different
  conversions. See

http://www.hannainst.com/downloads/instr/hi9033.pdf

  Also, you need to let the solution stabilize before  taking readings
  to allow  the  ions to reach a uniform  distribution  throughout the
  solution. This can take several hours after the brew is finished.

  One method of determining the silver ion concentration is to use the
  Faraday equations  to calculate how much silver was  liberated, then
  compare the result with your TDS reading.

  Since you  are using a constant voltage system, you need  to measure
  the current  at  frequent intervals during the  brew,  say  every 10
  seconds, and use WPlot to integrate the curve and obtain the average
  current over the brew time.

  Put this  into  Mercury  along with the volume of  dw,  and  it will
  calculate the amount of silver released. In your case, a  short brew
  time means very litle will be lost in forming oxides and plateout at
  the cathode.  So  the calculation and the TDS  reading  should match
  very well.

  You can download Mercury at:

  http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/calculus/mrcry209/.html

  Here are the complete conversion factors:

  Coulombs = I * Seconds; total number of Coulombs
  CoulombsGram = 107.868 / 96485; Coulombs per gram of silver
  ElectronsSec = I / 1.60217733e-19 ; electrons per second
  Grams= CoulombsGram * I * Seconds ; Faraday's equation
  IonsPerNano  = IonsSqInSec / 6.45e14  ; ions per square nanometer/sec
  IonsSqInSec  = ElectronsSec / SquareIn; ions per sq. in. per sec
  Litres   = 3.785 * Gallon ; convert gallons to litres
  Litres   = Millilitres / 1000 ; convert millilitres to litres
  Milligrams   = Grams * 1000   ; convert grams to milligrams
  Millilitres  = 29.57 * Ounces ; convert ounce to milliliters
  NumberIons   = ElectronsSec * Seconds ; number of silver ions
  ppm  = Milligrams / Litres; 1 ppm is 1 milligram per litre
  ppmPerHr = ppm / Hours; ppm per hour
  Seconds  = Hours * 3600 + Minutes * 60 ; get seconds
  uASqIn   = 1e6 * I / SquareIn ; current density in uA per sq in

  You need  to add the parameters for your system. Here's  the typical
  parameters for my Godzilla cs generator:

  I   = 775e-6  ; current in Amperes
  Millilitres = 2000; volume of dw
  Minutes = 0   ; minutes
  ppm = 22  ; target ppm
  SquareIn= 11.5; wetted area in square inches

  A constant current generator will greatly simplify the calculations.

Best of Luck!

Mike Monett


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RE: CS>Another microbiologist murdered

[David W Kenney]

And this conspiracy theorist message is only a small part of what is
probably planned for us normal citizen's...

-Original Message-
From: himagain [mailto:himag...@fablor.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Another microbiologist murdered

At 03:20 AM 15/01/05, Marshall wrote:
>There's been another microbiologist murdered, which makes it 40
>microbiologists murdered or killed under mysterious circumstances, in
>the last 4 years. Is all this incidental, or is some powerful group
>trying to kill off our best virus specialists before releasing a
>killer flu or other super-virus, in order to greatly reduce the
>population?

Hi Marshall & folks,
1.  It would be a very uneducated/low IQ  person today who doesn't know 
about the fully verified infection experiments carried out on civil 
populations all over the world.
2.   There is also no doubt that our Owners think that there are far too 
many of us - particularly non-Caucasian.  There is a constant cacophony of 
P.R.  since the Club Of Rome pronouncements in '72   to this effect.
3.  There has been a non-stop and increasing terror campaign about "virii" 
- everything from the "Killer" SARS ( more people die per day in the USA 
from Medical accidents than that whole episode) to Chicken virii.

Actually it looks suspiciously like the SARS thing was a kinda "trial run" 
of  reactions.
Even more suspicious is the extremely well-orchestrated promise of a real 
pandemic, "real soon, now".
I am betting that it will about February 2006.   Why then?
1.  The CODEX will be in full force. The Alternative Health Industry will 
be decimated.
2.  The anticipated wipe-out of the USA citizens retirement hopes will be 
completely public.
3.  The US deficit will be too great to sustain any longer and China et al 
will make their long-anticipated move against the US hegemony  ( actually 
owned and driven by the UK).
4.  The super-cheap gasoline/oil will be cut-off to the USA.
5.  The pandemic is the only really sound political way to introduce the 
"1984" ( Patriot Act 2A) total control of everything a citizen of the New 
World Order does.

In one fell swoop all of the problems of  Our Owners are "solved":
*  population will be mandatorially drugged.  ( Fluoride/Ritalin) by Law.
*  The mob will be worried about avoiding the Gestapo(FEMA) not their 
pension/Health Benefits.
*  with a bit of luck, the pandemic will get rid of most of the oldies, 
chinks,blacks, spiks, Catholics(?) homos, Republicans, etc...   Because 
only the "insiders" will have the real vaccine, won't they?.

EEEK!!  I'm glad it is bright daylight here in Paradise - this is no way to 
think just before bed

Himagain
   


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RE: CS>Burns

[David W Kenney]

Unfortunately, Doctors have to practice legal medicine.  This means that
many will run every test in the book, recommend every medicine, vaccine,
etc. which you may require.  Even in animals we are required by legally to
recommend many vaccines on an annual basis...reason is that on the labels
the manufacturer's recommend annual vaccines.  The FDA requires vaccine
manufacturers to indicate their vaccine will produce immunity for at least
one year.  The FDA has no provision for manufacturers to do long term
studies...for example...does a vaccine actually work for the life of the
pet???  Many probably do.
Any way...I am against vaccinations unless as indicated below...you have the
right wound or exposure for the disease...  The chances of getting tetanus
from a surface wound is almost nil
Dr/ Dave

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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:59 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Burns

At 01:38 AM 13/01/05, Marshall wrote:

>Why the heck did you get a tetanus shot?  Tetanus is a bacteria that lives 
>in dung, it cannot survive anywhere else (except in a deep wound).  If you 
>had stabbed yourself with a pitchfork shoveling manure, then I would 
>understand, but for a burn that makes no sense at all. It is anarobic, so 
>it will only infect deep puncture wounds where there is little oxygen. 
>Scratches or scrapes exposed to the air have too much oxygen available.
>
>I got my foot cut open a few years ago by some metal strapping getting 
>caught in the lawn mower, and whipping around and cutting through my 
>shoe.  I looked at the stats on the probability of dieing from getting 
>tetnus, and dieing from a tetnus shot.  The data I looked at showed that 
>that something like 100 times as many people die from the shot per year 
>than from the disease.  So I absolutely refused the shot when the doctor 
>offered it.

Marshall, Marshall, think of how many employees would lose their jobs, 
Stock Prices in Med companies falling.  doing things like this 
could cause chaos in the biggest financial market in the world!
Cheers,

Himagain. (BTW you didn't mention antibiotics..)



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RE: CS>tapwater,tetnus shots,maganese and mad cow

[David W Kenney]

You might be interested that minerals are highly subject to interferences...
In the case of Manganese...it's problem is copper.  Copper antagonizes
Manganese...meaning if you are copper deficient...you can end up with a
relative excess of manganese physiologically speaking...
Bottom line:  Watch both Copper and Manganese in your diet...don't over due
either as it will cause problems...
Dr. Dave

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From: Betsy Coffey [mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>tapwater,tetnus shots,maganese and mad cow

Some interesting posts on the last thread. the article
on mad cow was  very informative.
 Another interesting article written in a local paper
on the effects of to much magnese and the brain.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/columns/weintraub
I also agree about the indiscriminate use of tetnus
shots. My doctor insisted on giving me one even though
I didnt need one because I work with young children
and children play in the dirt. I will never have
another one unless I need one. 
Also a question. Why is using tap water a cause for agryia?



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RE: CS>FDA Info found...

[David W Kenney]

Notice: 

According to an FTC document published Jan 26, 2004, "consumers have a First
Amendment right to truthful health information even if that information is
not supported by significant scientific agreement."

This breakthrough in liberty came as a result of the persistent and very
expensive legal pressure brought to bear on the government by Dr. Julian
Whitaker, Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw and their able lawyers at Emord &
Associates, P.C. Our heartfelt gratitude as merchants and consumers go out
to these tenacious crusaders for liberty.

Someone might want to get this to Forrest...



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RE: CS>CS use on pets sucess

[David W Kenney]

CS effects on cataracts presumes the cause of cataracts as some organism
that CS will kill.   Although this is possible I suppose I have never seen
any reference to it in the literature.

Other good treatments for Cataracts are Cayenne pepper solution as eye drops
and/or N-Acetyl-Carnosine as eye drops.

The function of the latter are to increase the circulation to the eye..

 

  _  

From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:05 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS use on pets sucess

 


This is a report from a pet owner I gave some of my home made CS to to try
on her pony with cateracts (Blind) as a bat she told me.  in her note to me
she took it on her on to try CS on some growths on her dogs.  This is a good
report. I had very good sucess with a horse of heres that was run through a
fence by a MT. Lion. The horse was hurt bad with a hunk of meat torn out of
her chest the size of a pound of butter, it completle healed by soaking
clean rags with CS and Duct Tape applecation.

Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ

~

Hi Tel. Still not early enough to tell if the silver is going to work on the
ponies cataracts, I sure hope it does, however, two of my dogs have had some
kind of growth on them, one above the eye, about the size of a medium size
tick. Sprayed the silver on it and it is gone.  And on the older dog my
husband noticed a growth on the lip a little over a week ago. It was the
size of a pea, so I started spraying it a couple times a day, and I noticed
today that it is just about all gone. Hurrah for the silver. Now I pray that
the pony gets it's sight back. The vet said he has two or three cataracts in
one eye and one in the other and the one with the one has something attached
to it. He is getting to where he takes off now when he knows I am coming
into the stall to spray him. I wish I could say it was because he could see
that I had the halter in my hand but I don't think so. I think he has very
good hearing. Corinne



 

 

 

 

RE: CS>CS killing fungus was Lyme disease

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

I have the EM6 and EM7..I think it has the greatest variability of abilities
on frequency ranges.as well as the addition of the radio carrier wave that
Dr. Rife used, if desired..  I use it with the F100 frequency generator.and
have all the various tubes with different gases.  I also have a mag pulser
but have not yet had time to use it.

 

In my autopsies of lungs with aspergillosis.the surface is so hard and
impermeable that even drinking or inhaling gallons of CS would probably have
little if any effect.

 

  _  

From: brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS killing fungus was Lyme disease

 

In a message dated 12/18/2004 9:59:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
drd...@mindspring.com writes:

I'd get a good quality rife machine like the ones I have from Bruce
Stenulson - Check the internet, and use all of the 

I have a Sternulson zapper with pads. What device from Bruce would you
recommend? I have a similar mold problem. I have been flushing 5 times per
day using a CS/DMSO mixture 500ml and DR Grossans Hydro Pulse for nearly 4
weeks. Still see some black mold nearly every flush. I have tried sinus
flushes for over one year and the mold still hangs on. Prior to the year I
did head up/ head down CS/DMSO flushes using an eye dropper.

 

I finally sold a Noble Fir with root rot that CS kept alive. My farm is a
U-Cut so they picked it along side of other Noble Fir trees.  I didn't like
its looks and came close to burning it.

B rickey

RE: CS>CS killing fungus was Lyme disease

[David W Kenney]

When you take a class in microbiology they say never to take the lid off a
culture of aspergillosus (probably any sporulating fungous) unless you put
it under water...or in a hood...because the spores will fly everywhere and
can almost never be successfully eliminated from the lab.  This means that
every culture you do in the lab from then on...could easily have the fungous
as a contaminant.

 

As far as the condition in living organisms...it a thick covering on the
surface of the lungs from which it grows very much like on a culture plate.
This means that anyone infected is contagious to another living organism
simply by exhaling spores.  The granulomatous surface from which it grows
slowly encroaches on the remaining normal lung until death.  In other words,
any infection is critical.

 

Considering this rather firm inflexible surface from which it grows then the
only way CS might work as a cure would be to use it in combination with DMSO
so that it more completely penetrates all levels of infection.   Certainly
the CS, as is, might well decrease the contagiousness of the condition as
well as slow its progression, but probably could never cure.

 

If it were me that had this condition I wouldn't mess around... I'd get a
good quality rife machine like the ones I have from Bruce Stenulson - Check
the internet, and use all of the recommended frequencies for Aspergillosis,
fumigatus as well as the other forms.  (Stenulson has a list of frequencies
as does Nenah Silver in her book "Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing." Since
the lung is only one of many areas this organism can grow...the rife machine
has the ability to kill every organism in your body...and probably even in
your home, if you take the time to do it.

 

A multipulser would seem to me to be limited in the frequencies it could put
out...thereby limiting your ability to use all of the known frequencies
critical for Aspergillosis.  Also since you still have the condition after
using the multipulser.it suggests you weren't covering all of the known
frequencies required.

 

I recently tested the machine on a live culture of Trichophyton
mentogrophytes (another type of fungous) from our hospital.   I subcultured
it first to see if the culture was about to die off anyway...then used the
rife machine.   First I tried the Microsporum canis frequencies...no change.
I waited a day then used the T. mentagrophytes frequencies. It killed the
organism in less than 10 minutes.  The subculture was still growing nicely
indicating the rife machine was the only difference in the two cultures.  It
works.

 



 

i highly suggest you send a letter of support for this man in jail.

 

On Dec 17, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Paul Holloway wrote:

 

It hasn't touched my aspergillus. I have nebulized, sprayed, rinsed, flooded
and soaked my sinuses with varying strengths and type of CS, and every time
I rinse, more fungus comes out. I have also tried ozone, many essential
oils, Sporanox, Diflucan, infra-red. This stuff is very hard to kill. I have
heard of people burning down a house when they have aspergillus infecting
it, as nothing else will kill it.

 

The only thing that helped was a magnetic multipulser (5kHz oscillating
output) that I bought from Jaguar Enterprises, but it broke, and when I sent
it back for repair, the owner was jailed for making medical claims for his
devices, so I am sick again. Thanks FTC. So, don't buy anything from Jaguar
until he is out of jail. A friend of mine is building a similar device,
which I hope will work as well.

 

Paul H

 

Paul Holloway wrote:

I have aspergillus fumigatus in my sinuses, and despite rinsing and spraying
with CS several times a day, it hasn't killed it.

 

Paul H

RE: CS>Caecum Growths and cs to the colon

[David W Kenney]

The colon is primarily the part of the intestine responsible for water
absorption to concentrate the stool.   Chances are in an enema form CS might
well be absorbed...but orally, the CS should have long been absorbed.


-Original Message-
From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Caecum Growths and cs to the colon

Okay -- here's this basic question again -- how does the cs "get to" the
colon?
By drinking it with food?
By being carried by the bloodstream?
It's my understanding that water (cs or plain) doesn't get as far as the
colon by simply drinking it on an empty stomach. It goes directly to the
bloodstream, avoiding the intestines
To drink large quantities of cs, I was told to begin with small amounts
(tablespoon 6X/day) for the first day, double that for the 2nd day. This
avoids Herxheimer effect (too rapid kill-off of pathogens that could block
kidneys or liver)
After that you can work rapidly toward a large amount. Any corrections,
please.
Judy Down Maine



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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Caecum Growths and cs to the colon



 Olive Leaf Extract and Pawpaw are excellent for getting rid of anything
cancerous/viral/bacterial/parasitic. I would consider taking both of these.
Also a colon cleanse and a liver cleanse would be very beneficial. As you
kill the tumors with the herbals you will have toxins and dead matter to get
rid of. The cleanses will ease the die-off effect and help your body to
function better overall. A zapper would help too. The Terminator 2 is the
best zapper I know of. Colloidal silver will help to but large doses would
be necessary to get the liquid down to colon. 16oz of low ppm cs (5-10ppm)/.

Steve


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RE: CS>Caecum Growths and cs to the colon

[David W Kenney]

The colon is primarily the part of the intestine responsible for water
absorption to concentrate the stool.   Chances are in an enema form CS might
well be absorbed...but orally, the CS should have long been absorbed.


-Original Message-
From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Caecum Growths and cs to the colon

Okay -- here's this basic question again -- how does the cs "get to" the
colon?
By drinking it with food?
By being carried by the bloodstream?
It's my understanding that water (cs or plain) doesn't get as far as the
colon by simply drinking it on an empty stomach. It goes directly to the
bloodstream, avoiding the intestines
To drink large quantities of cs, I was told to begin with small amounts
(tablespoon 6X/day) for the first day, double that for the 2nd day. This
avoids Herxheimer effect (too rapid kill-off of pathogens that could block
kidneys or liver)
After that you can work rapidly toward a large amount. Any corrections,
please.
Judy Down Maine



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From: scl...@netzero.com [mailto:scl...@netzero.com]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Caecum Growths and cs to the colon



 Olive Leaf Extract and Pawpaw are excellent for getting rid of anything
cancerous/viral/bacterial/parasitic. I would consider taking both of these.
Also a colon cleanse and a liver cleanse would be very beneficial. As you
kill the tumors with the herbals you will have toxins and dead matter to get
rid of. The cleanses will ease the die-off effect and help your body to
function better overall. A zapper would help too. The Terminator 2 is the
best zapper I know of. Colloidal silver will help to but large doses would
be necessary to get the liquid down to colon. 16oz of low ppm cs (5-10ppm)/.

Steve


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RE: CS>FDA, silver and CODEX

[David W Kenney]

George:

Your idea of fighting a situation that is disagreeable such as the vitamin
issue simply by purchasing a gun is one of the reasons the powers that
be.are able to sneak these things in on the unsuspecting public.   Our
forefathers set up a system of voting people who spoke for us to make the
laws.so anything that happens is in the end our fault.   We should first
find out what the people we elected voted on the thing we don't like.and if
he voted for it.get rid of him/her.and let them know why.

Then, since our legal system and legislators might not care what the
"people" think anymore.then make sure you have the gun..and ammo.  But
exhaust the system.first.

Dr. Kenney

 

  _  

From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:50 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>FDA, silver and CODEX

 

Ken,
Here are a couple of good places to start...the horses mouth as it were. A
little bit of research will reveal that the commission began in 1963!
Worldwide in 2005? I'm not how much more 'worldwide' it could be since the
last commission had members from 160 countries.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp#
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/regulations_&_policies/Codex_Alimentarius/index.asp

It seems that the folks making the loudest noises about this are the same
folks who, when the Patriot Act was passed, placed themselves in cattle cars
and sent themselves to the Gulag. Some folks live their lives in such fear
that every little thing that can be extropolated into a personal threat
drives them to near catatonia. This list contains more than its share of
these types. 

Myself, I just buy another rifle and case of ammo. Then in the spring I find
another neighbor who needs help putting in a garden.

George


--Original Message Text---
From: Ken & Nancy
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:36:21 -0800

Actually, bbanever, that's a very good point. If CODEX is really all it's
cracked up to be, why isn't every vitamin company, especially the big ones,
getting busy popularizing this problem so a real anti effort gets underway? 

I think I will start looking into this issue a little more, though. 

-Ken Bagwell 

RE: CS>FDA raids New Mexico

[David W Kenney]

Megadoses of water is one of the first things they make women take to cause
an abortion...  Megadoses of anything is dangerous.  However this doesn't
mean you need to get a prescription for x amount of water every day.
The FDA is going on the presumption we are all idiots...under the guise of
protecting us all.  I really think it is a money and power thing
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:48 PM
To: Silver List
Subject: RE: CS>FDA raids New Mexico

In mega doses in definitely causes early abortion. 20,000 mg divided
will spike estrogen levels and cause abotion in fetuses two weeks old or
less. This is used therapeutically by some.

Garnet

On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 09:30, Jim Holmes wrote:
> A few years ago some Brit Docs said Vit  C could cause cancer, in
> therapeutic dosages.  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:39 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>FDA raids New Mexico
> 
>  
> 
> Trem,
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> If this is true it could be a warning that the feds will try and
> shut down any and all food supplement industries eventually.  Notice
> how negative press is slowly creeping its way into the media about
> such things as Vitamin C.  Soon, all of our natural alternative
> remedies will be available by prescription only... or not at all.  God
> help us
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 


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RE: CS>How to combat CODEX

[David W Kenney]

As I understand this...we are a member of WHO and are automatically
subscribed to whatever they subscribe to.  They have subscribed to this
supplement program and thus the US will somehow automatically be a part of
it next August...
Our sovereignty is slowly being eroded


-Original Message-
From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>How to combat CODEX

> This is very important!  It has already happened in Europe!!!
> 
> If we do not TAKE ACTION to prevent this travesty here, by alerting our 
> legislators, friends etc. we will have only ourselves to blame if CODEX is

> approved in the U.S. (please read the short article for details and for
the 
> way to contact your representives)
> 
> Please do all you can to see that our rights to buy supplements is not 
> unduly restricted.  Thank you in advace for forwarding this email to 
> everyone in you address book.
> 
> 
> from: Health Sciences Institute e-Alert
> December 01, 2004
> 
> Dear Reader,
> 
> In the days and weeks before a major earthquake, seismologists
> often record tremors -subterranean rumbles, signaling that
> something destructive is on the way.
> 
> Consider today's e-Alert a tremor.
> 
> Something very destructive is headed our way, and it will have a
> deeply negative impact on your right to make your own healthcare
> decisions.
> 
> 
> Dreaming up dangers
> 
> 
> In the e-Alert I sent you on Friday, 11/19/04, I shared this
> comment from an HSI member who goes by the initials PKL: "My
> friend, an ND, said 2 years ago that as the date for the USA to
> comply with codex alimentarius rules approached (Aug.2005) we
> would see scare stories coming out in the media about the
> 'dangers' of common vitamins and supplements."
> 
> PKL's friend felt the tremors coming. And his prediction was right
> on the money. In recent e-Alerts I told you about two flawed
> studies that produced over-the-top scare headlines regarding the
> supposed risks of taking vitamins C and E in large doses. But these
> studies are not isolated cases.
> 
> For instance, a recent "long-term study" found that glucosamine
> was less effective than a placebo in relieving arthritis pain. But a
> closer look at the published research reveals that the actual study
> period was only six months long, and all of the subjects had
> previously found glucosamine to be effective over a two-year
> period. (The researchers were counting those two years as part of
> the "long-term".) Nevertheless, this research was reported as a
> failure for glucosamine.
> 
> Is the timing of these and other deliberately negative studies a
> coincidence? Or is it part of a concerted effort to plant the seeds of
> doubt in the mind of the public?
> 
> 
> Harsh harmony
> 
> 
> As PKL pointed out, the whole point of planting those seeds is to
> prepare for the approaching Codex deadline.
> 
> The U.S. is one of the 165 member countries of the Codex
> Alimentarius Commission - an international food standards
> program created by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
> and the World Health Organization (WHO). One of the purposes
> of the Codex Commission is to "harmonize" international food
> trade. And here are a few key elements of that harmonizing:
> 
> * WHO classifies all dietary supplements as drugs
> * The Codex Commission intends to limit over-the-counter sales of
>   dietary supplements while reclassifying others as
>   pharmaceuticals, available only through a pharmacist
> * Under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, Codex guidelines
>   override the regulations of individual countries
> * Member countries (including the U.S.) that refuse to accept and
>   enforce the WTO directives are subject to severe trade sanctions
> 
> A strong tremor was felt just last month when the Codex
> Commission approved draft guidelines that will begin restricting
> the sale of dietary supplements as early as next summer. So in spite
> of our current laws that make a wide range of vitamins, minerals
> and herbal formulations readily available, the U.S. is poised to
> simply put those laws aside to conform to the unacceptably
> restrictive Codex guidelines.
> 
> 
> Whose country is it anyway?
> 
> 
> Incredible, isn't it? Our freedom to make our own healthcare
> choices may simply be taken away by an international commission.
> But at this point, the imposition of the Codex guidelines isn't
> necessarily a done deal. And although the situation is not
> promising, it's still not too late to help prevent it from happening.
> 

RE: CS>FDA raids New Mexico

[David W Kenney]

Unfortunately this is probably true.  Last month the FDA raided Sea Silver
and removed over 100,000 bottles of product and all their files.

In August 2005 a new law will come into effect which will make all of our
nightmares come true..  I guess the Doctors and Pharmaceutical companies
feel they are losing a lot of money by people using alternative medicine.

 

I hate the thought of only being able to purchase Vitamin C in a 50 mg
tablet.and etc.

 

  _  

From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>FDA raids New Mexico

 

Trem,

 

If this is true it could be a warning that the feds will try and shut
down any and all food supplement industries eventually.  Notice how negative
press is slowly creeping its way into the media about such things as Vitamin
C.  Soon, all of our natural alternative remedies will be available by
prescription only... or not at all.  God help us

 

Bob

RE: CS>tea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity

[David W Kenney]

Garnet:
No need to be sarcastic
I think Nenah made her position very clear to thinking people
She seemed to say exactly what you attempted to say in an effort to clarify
her statement...
Toxicity of nearly everything is dose related...didn't she say that?  Didn't
you say that?
Even water is toxic at a high enough dose.
Anyway, let's try to learn from each other...not cut them apart.
I have always said that any statement presented is good...no matter how
exotic or perhaps ridiculous.
If everyone feels free to state their opinions...without your cutting them
to shreds...then someone is going to learn something.  The person who wrote
the opinionor perhaps, even you.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:02 PM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS>tea tree oil and ozone - REBUTTAL to ozone's toxicity

On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:26, Nenah Sylver wrote:

> 
> Ozone must be used properly and in the right concentrations. Of course it
will
> irritate your lungs if it's at too high a concentration -- but that
doesn't mean
> ozone is toxic. Carrot juice will turn your skin orange if you drink IT at
too
> high a concentration; but it doesn't mean that carrot juice is poisonous,
it
> just means that you need to know how much to ingeset!


The definition of toxic is that which is dangerous to health or
injurious to life. In sufficient concentration pure ozone will kill
plants, animals and humans. In combination with other substances the
toxic dose is lower.

Your statements about needing to know how much to ingest are confounding
to your assertion that ozone is not toxic Nenah.

Many substances are non-toxic at low doses or dosed alone but very toxic
at higher doses or in combination. This point was well made in my
original post but you seem to have chosen to ignore the specificity of
the information I presented in order to present a different spin.

That is what I mean about practitioners who really don't even know
enough to know how to determine the toxicity of a practice.

Check the Therapeutic Index and the LD 50 of ozone, that is if you even
know how to look that up. If not then you are at great risk and so are
your clients.

Garnet


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RE: CS>mercury and heavy metals

[David W Kenney]

Most likely the answer is that CS does not remove mercury or other heavy
metals.  Chelating agents basically bind positive ions...working better on
the ions with a 2+ charge.  Silver ion is a 1+ charge.   Colloidal silver
should not have any charge.
Other heavy metals are positively charged, thus can be chelated.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Betsy Coffey [mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>mercury and heavy metals

Does CS remove mercury or heavy metals? Does it work
as a detox agent for other things besides heavy metals?



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RE: CS>Milk Expriment

[David W Kenney]

Ionic Silver would benefit gastric ulcers merely by acting similar to an
antacid.  Ag+ + Cl- > AgCl thereby reducing acidity which is causing some of
the pain and aggravating the ulcer.

Dr. Kenney
PS:  Interesting experiment.
How are you measuring CS concentration (ionic vs colloidal?)

OK, I have started the milk experiment.  I have some preliminary
results, but am surprised at the results.

Here is the test setup:

1. Milk stated out initially at about 2 C. (35 F).
2. ambient temperature is 20 C (69 F).
3. 2 oz. of 2% milk was added to all the glasses.
4. one teaspoon (.167 oz) of test substance was added to each glass,
except the first one.
5. The first 3 glasses were slightly larger diameter than the last 3.
6. The ionic has about 1/2 the ion content of the original EIS and about
1/14 the particle content of the original EIS and was generated via
freezing.


Here are the results thus far, times are length of time to clabbering,
longer is better:

1. Plain milk - 42 hours
2. EIS added - 51 hours
3. EIS with a pinch of salt added - 42 hours
4. Ionic silver added - 60 hours
5. colloidal silver added - not yet clabbered but stated 24 hours later
6. EIS + H2O2 added - same as 5

Now, the last two were started 24 hours later to allow the EIS with salt
added to settle out in the fridge. Not all had settled, so #5 was
additionally filtered with filter paper.

#6 was done at the same time as #5 although using EIS because I did not
think of doing that earlier. They are both about 38 hours into the
experiment right now.

Now, the results I got are at the least stunning! I am planning on
repeating as soon as I can, and I hope someone else will repeat it as
well.  I cannot figure out the results at all!  It appears that the
colloidal part of the EIS not only does nothing at all, but actually
retards the ionic portion from working! On top of that it seems that
adding a pinch of salt makes the EIS no different than plain milk with
nothing added!  Keep in mind that the ionic #4 was about 50% as strong
as the ionic portion of the EIS as determinated with adding salt to it
and the titrating the original EIS to get the same milkyness at the
original EIS, yet was more effective than the original EIS.

This raises several questions.  First, if adding NaCl to form silver
chloride makes the EIS ineffective, then how the heck does EIS work for
both stomach ulcers, food poisoning, and anything else internal.
Unfortunately I have no answer for that one, I need to do some more
testing.  My guess is that with something in the stomach, other things
happen, maybe the silver reacts with the bacteria, or proteins before or
instead of it forming silver chloride.  As far a when it gets in the
blood, the best guess at this time is that it becomes fulminating silver
when it reaches the blood, then becomes pairs of silver particles when
it reacts with glucose in the blood.  This can be tested for as well.

But these results are so far out of line with what I would expect, I
want to rerun the tests, and hopefully have someone else run them as
well to verify.  Maybe some of the glasses were contaminated with
bacteria that the others were not, so some got a head start.  When I
rerun the test I plan on letting the milk sit out for 12 hours before
dividing, and using alcohol to disinfect each of the glasses to minize
initial conditions affecting the results.  Also the first 3 glasses are
slightly larger diameter than the last 3, so they would have had more
air exposure. Although I did put paper towels over all the glasses to
keep out dust, maybe the additional oxygen from increased surface area
allowed the bacteria to replicate faster.  That is one more reason to do
it all again.

So keep in mind this is preliminary, until we confirm it with additional
experiments don't take it as gospel.  It is entirely possible I screwed
up somehow.

Marshall



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CS>

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Here is a document that will discusses taking away your rights to choose the
types of supplements you have a right to purchase, take, etc.
===

Please call the Whitehouse Comments line 202-456- to urge Bush to reign
in Dr.Schneeman of FDA over the Codex Vitamin issue. 

Tell the Whitehouse comments line:

Dr.Schneeman of the FDA will be representing the USA at the CCNFSDU meeting
(codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special dietary uses) in Bonn
Germany on Monday November 1, and that she must vociferously oppose
finalization of the current Codex vitamin standard because it is not
consistent with DSHEA. 

Tell the whitehouse comments line operator that a legal demand letter has
been served on Schneeman, who will be facing a Title 42 lawsuit if she fails
to uphold US law at this meeting.

Tell the comments line operator that unless Bush gets this message to
Schneeman, Bush will lose millions of votes on tuesday. Bush should deliver
this message to Schneeman via Dr.WEHR at CFSAN at FDA via 301-436-1724 WEHR
is CODEX PROGRAM COORDINATOR

Tell them if they want complete details to go to IAHF.COM and click on the
EMERGENCY FLASHING YELLOW BANNER (which brings them to
http://iahf.com/index3.html and if they want more information to call IAHF
at 800-333-2553.

FORWARD THIS MASSIVELY & CALL THE PEOPLE YOU FORWARD IT TO AND URGE THEM TO
MAKE THE CALL AND TO SNOWBALL THIS ALERT 

AFTER MAKING THIS CALL GO TO http://iahf.com/index3.html and send the form
letter to all CODEX DELEGATES

TOGETHER WE _CAN_ KNOCK CODEX BACK TO SQUARE ONE

THIS ACTION MUST BE TAKEN _TODAY_ FRIDAY- 10/29




*


IAHF WEBMASTER: BREAKING NEWS, CODEX, ALL COUNTRIES
>
> IAHF LIST:
>
> We can COUNT on South Africa to GET TOTALLY IN THE GERMANS and EU's FACES
> on Monday at the Codex meeting.
>
> The big UNKNOWN is whether or not we'll get enough OTHER countries to back
> SOUTH AFRICA UP to KNOCK CODEX BACKWARDS from step 7 to step 3.
>
> If ENOUGH of you WORLD WIDE go to http://iahf.com/index3.html
> and click on the FIRST ITEM marked ALERT- SEND CODEX FORM LETTER TO
DELEGATES
>
> and send the form letter to the US and all other countries marked in BOLD
> on the drop down list of countries, we just MIGHT pull a rabbit out of the
> hat. but its up to YOU to DO THIS and to MASS FORWARD this alert
around
> the world immediately..
>
> I have been feverishly making some KEY international calls for the past
> several hours to exhort key people around the world to ACT in mass
> forwarding this alert. We expect MASSIVE ACTION in the US, Canada, UK,
> Australia, New Zealand and ALL OVER EUROPE but you MUST do YOUR SHARE,
> RIGHT NOW.
>
> We ARE BUILDING MOMENTUM here folks, but if we want to ride this WAVE into
> the SHORE SAFELY to STOP CODEX- I need each and every one of you to ACT
> IMMEDIATELY.
>
> ONE LAST THING TO AMERICANS:
>
> Call the Whitehouse Comments line at 202-456-1414 and give President Bush
> the following message on this Codex vitamin issue which should also EMAIL
> to him at presid...@whitehouse.gov:
>
> NO TO FINALIZATION OF CODEX VITAMIN STANDARD ON NOVEMBER FIRST IN BONN
>
> "President Bush: on Monday, November 1st, an unelected FDA bureaucrat who
> you exercise control over will be the US Delegate to the Codex Committee
on
> Nutrition and Foods For Special Dietary Uses Meeting in Bonn, Germany.
>
> Her name is Dr.SCHNEEMAN. It is IMPERATIVE that you REIGN HER IN and ORDER
> HER and her superiors at FDA to OPPOSE FINALIZATION of the global trade
> standard for vitamins and minerals IN ACCORDANCE WITH CURRENT US LAW, or
> you can REST ASSURED that you will lose a HUGE number of votes on ELECTION
DAY.
>
> The reason is simple: In 1994 with passage of the Dietary Supplement
Health
> and Education Act, the American people voted with their FEET against a
> tyrannical FDA rulemaking effort that threatened to ban consumer access to
> dietary supplements.
>
> Congress received MORE MAIL on this health freedom issue than on ANY issue
> in the HISTORY of the US Congress- even MORE than they received during the
> VIETNAM WAR.
>
> At CODEX in Bonn on MONDAY, unless Dr.Schneeman of the FDA STRENUOSLY
> OPPOSES finalization of the standard for VITAMINS AND MINERALS- you will
> LOSE VOTES due to the perception that you're helping the FDA to destroy
> current US law by setting us up for the HARM-onization of our VITAMIN LAWS
> to a mindlessly restrictive emerging international standard.
>
> YOU MUST REIGN SCHNEEMAN IN, and you must be AWARE that IAHF has sent a
> LEGAL DEMAND LETTER to FDA Commissioner Crawford and to Schneeman as well
> as other FDA officials threatening them with a Title 42 lawsuit if they
> should violate our civil rights by failing to uphold US law at this Codex
> meeting.
>
> You will lose MILLIONS o

CS>Ionic or Not?

[David W Kenney]

Hi!  thanks for your answer, but for some reason it came direct to me, could

you please resend it to...

silver-list@eskimo.com

So that others on the list can read and respond?  Thanks so much!

-James Allison

- Original Message - 
From: "David W Kenney" 
To: "'James Allison'" 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Ionic or Not?


Hi...
> I can only "speculate" what might be the reason.  I suspect the Ag found 
> in
> the organs is fixed.  Meaning that it is not able to behave as CS does. 
> The
> Ag+ ion has a phenomenal affinity for negative ions and it takes great 
> energy
> to remove the negative ion from the AG ion.  Once fixed it may or may not
> have any anti-pathogenic effect.   CS to be effective has to be taken on a
> continual basisat least the reports seem to indicate
> that.   I don't know if anyone knows what happens to CS after it is
> assimilated and finally settles into an organ and/or excreted.  Anyone 
> know?
> Dr. Kenney
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:03 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Ionic or Not?
>
> Hi everybody, I just re-subscribed to the list (been gone for over a year 
> I
> think), and wanted to say hi, so...  Hello!  Anyhow, I have a quick 
> question
>
> that hopefully somebody can help me out with (Maybe Dr. Kenney?)...
>
> Quoting the book "Noble Metals and Biological Systems"...
>
> "There are numerous literature references to its abundances in ashed 
> organs
> of rats, dogs and cattle, where concentrations range from 1 to 10 ug/g.
> Abundances as high as 50 ug/g have been detected in livers.  Bell (Bell,
> P.H., Quantitive spectrographic estimation of trace elements in biological
> ash, Ind. Eng. Chem., 10, 579, 1938) found 4 and 1 ug/g silver,
> respectively, in the ash of yolks and whites of eggs, and there are 
> various
> references to its presence in the ash of cow's milk and animal feces.  In
> human beings there have been several investigations concerning the 
> abundance
>
> of this element in blood, liver, thyroid, heart, spleen, kidney, brain,
> hair, skin and teeth.  The level of silver in ashed human organs is in the
> range of 0.25 to 10.0 ug/g.  Sheldon (Sheldon, J.H., The mineral basis of
> life, Brit. Med. J., 1, 47, 1934) has found that silver is concentrated in
> thyroid glands and in tonsils.  Urinary calculi have been found to contain

> 3
>
> to 150 ug/g silver."
>
> I guess what I'm having a hard time with is this... If we already have 
> this
> much silver in us, why do we get sick at all if in fact it's the silver by
> itself that kills pathogens, and not the ionic silver?
>
> Curiously yours,
> James
>
>
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RE: CS>Salt test for determining Ionic Silver Concentration

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Since everyone is using distilled water...then resistivity should be
proportional to the ionic component.  I have no idea if the CS portion
causes any resistancedoes anyone know of a source that details this.  I
would imagine those labs that do CS testing have all this data.
In any case, the method below should be great depending on their
generator...


-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Salt test for determining Ionic Silver Concentration

Well, testing it should show what the generator makes,
and whether it is consistent.

I think this test might be good for home use.  
Tests don't have to be complicated or expensive to work...

Any comments on the proposed method?

Maybe one of the Mikes could try it out... ;-))  
If I have time, I might give it a try.

Dan



RE: CS>Salt test for determining Ionic Silver Concentration

From: David W Kenney (view other messages by this author) 
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:00:52 




Are you assuming that every CS generator produces an exact and
reproducible
ratio of CS to ionic silver?  Seems like they would have to for the
following to be correct.





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RE: CS>"In Vivo" CS?

[David W Kenney]

As many of you probably know the government (FDA) is attempting to totally
wipe out alternative medicine in the US.
There are bills out there to go along with WHO standards meaning that all
nutritional supplements will be by prescription...and all over the counter
supplements will have the minimum standards (which we all know are wrong).
The FDA recently confiscated 132000 bottles of Sea Silver and took all their
files and records...meaning that any of you that ever purchased Sea Silver
are on a list.

Obviouslyyou all need to look into all of this for yourselves, find out
what your own legislators feel about this...and then become active.  The
allopathic side of medicine, drug manufacturers, etc. are probably losing
too much money.   Remember, they put Dr. Royal Rife out of business...and
even Nicola Tesla's name was erased from the science books.  They have the
power to do this if WE don't keep a keen eye on these guys we elect. Even
though I was trained allopathic...I have to practice allopathic medicine
because that's what the people expect...and it is just too difficult to
educate clients and get them away from the advice they get anytime they go
to their regular physician



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RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

Certainly the Acid concentration varies.  How much is available and not
almost immediately combined to a non-ionic organic form is not known to me.
Suggests the need for some sophisticated research doesn't it?


-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:40 AM
To: Silver List
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Mucous protects the stomach lining from HCl, without it we form ulcers
in the presence of helobacter the bacteria associated with ulcers.

The pH of the stomach is not constant, although without my reference
physiology texts here in front of me I can not look up the range and if
it ever reaches a neutral or alkaline pH. My point is that the HCl is
not always present in significant amounts. That is amounts sufficient to
provide a quantity of ionic silver with enough chlorine to form silver
chloride.

In the presence of food most of the HCl still might not be available to
form significant amounts of silver chloride. 

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:59, David W Kenney wrote:
> I am not convinced that ionic silver forms silver chloride in the
> stomach. For one thing HCl, stomach acid, is only relesed when eating,
> its purpose is to provide the optimum acid pHh for the stomach enzymes
> to work on. But if there is no food there or digestion going on there is
> no HCl secretion.
> 
> [ Not truethe pH of your stomach contents is always acidic...meaning
> there is HCl present eating or not.  Of course more is secreted when you
eat
> something, depending on the need. ]

Perhaps always acidic but even 6.9 is acidic, yet it is near neutral.

> 
> Since no one has done in vivo studies of the stomach environment when CS
> is added and actually measured / detected silver chloride I do not buy
> this theory out of hand. Besides why is my home made CS so effecitve
> were this to be true.
> 
> { First, pure CS would not form AgCl.  And, only the CS is effective
> therapeutically.}
> 
> As well why is my mostly ionic CS so effective in food poisoning if this
> is so. 
> 
> There is more to an in vivo chemical reaction than merely
> extrapolating from in vitro studies. Way more, other wise we would not
> ever have to use live animal models for any studies.
> 
> {This doesn't make any sense to me.}
> 

You can not precisely mimic the conditions in the stomach in vitro.
There are too many variables that can not be duplicated.

> Last month I got sick on some spoiled lamb steaks, before the end of the
> meal I had to rush to the bathroom, almost passed out several times from
> the cramping. I told my husband to take some CS NOW so he would not get
> sick, he got only mild gas. I drank a cup of CS as soon as I could and
> my food poisoning passed quickly, but not before leaving me in a curled
> up sweated heap on the oh so cool bathroom floor. It took me a few
> minutes to get up, after cramping that hard, so hard I had to have my
> husband hold me up so I could remain seated on the toilet. Not a pretty
> story but if CS turns into silver chloride when food is in the stomach
> WHY did it work for my husband?
> 
> {Because the ionic silver is doing nothing for you except if too much is
> taken, the AgCl could be toxic...It doesn't even have the osmotic effect
> that soluble salts have because it is in solid form) It causes minimal
> problems because there are few ions in the body that can take the Cl off
the
> Ag ion once it is attached.  The effect you are getting is from the
> Colloidal silver...not the ionic silver.}

How do you know the silver ions have no effect in the body. Most of the
chemical reactions in the body involve ions or at least polarized
molecules (areas of local charge) that must fit a receptor.

> 
> Too many questions and way too many assumptions being made about what
> those ions actually do in the body.
> 
> ( I agree that we have to make assumptions some times...but chemistry is
> chemistryand these reactions occur.  Actually it could be easily
tested
> by having someone who gets sick and vomits...vomit in a bottle, filter
this
> and add CS and watch for precipitates.  As long as they aren't vomiting
from
> achlorhydria this should be a valuable test.   Point taken.)

Intubating a set of control and experimental subjects, withdrawing
samples at specific times and proper assays would do it. Of course the
contents could change simply by this procedure. Heisinberg Uncertainty
principle at work here -- ensures that we really don't know if what we
measure is an accurate picture or if we have changed the event by the
very act of observing it.



Garnet

> 
> Dr. Kenney
> Garnet
> 
> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:26, Dr. David W. Kenney wrote:
> >  silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
> > almost instantly..

RE: CS>Salt test for determining Ionic Silver Concentration

[David W Kenney]

Are you assuming that every CS generator produces an exact and reproducible
ratio of CS to ionic silver?  Seems like they would have to for the
following to be correct.



-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Salt test for determining Ionic Silver Concentration

To use the Salt test for determining Ionic Silver Concentration:

Take a known volume of EIS (Electrically Isolated Silver) and add
enough salt to it so that all the ionic silver combines to form AgCl.  

Since AgCl has a .8 ppm solubility, you should get a precipitate.  Add
distilled water (at an appropriate rate while stirring) until all the
AgCl is dissolved.

The total volume of water in units, compared to the original amount of
EIS (one unit) should indicate the ionic silver concentration.

Thus, a 20 ppm ionic silver solution should require a total of 25 units
of water to dissolve the AgCl produced by the addition of salt to the
original solution.  (That is, 20/.8 = 25).

Dan




Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

From: Marshall Dudley wrote:
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:59:20 




"Dr. David W. Kenney" wrote:

>
> Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of
your
> CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white
precipitate

Yes, fully expected since AgCl only has about a .8 ppm solubility. But
add
sufficient warm water and it will redissolve slowly.  Add low pH HCl
and you
will find that the solubility goes way up.

Marshall



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RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

[David W Kenney]

Great site...
Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

See http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Teflon/Canary-Teflon-ToxicosisAug03.htm

Marshall

David W Kenney wrote:

> You are correct in the outgassing...I am not sure the type of gas though
but
> you may be right...
> For example many pet birds have been lost in houses who cook with Teflon
> because of the gas released.
> Dr. Kenney
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
>
> I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal
> source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM
> To: Silver List
> Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
>
> I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats
> and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for
> you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this.
>
> What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette
> (sp).
>
> BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with
> Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if
> it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I
> took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my
> husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to
> SS.
>
> Garnet
>
> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote:
> > You may want to re-think stainless steel.  A recent article
> > by Dr. Mercola reports that  Nickel and other metals found
> > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated
> > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say
> > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still
> > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel.  Apparently
> > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that
> > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is
> > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking
> > temp. I almost bought a new set of  SS cooking pots  after
> > reading that  I am glad I held off.  Now to  find  some good
> > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Garnet" 
> > To: "Silver List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>
> >
> >
> > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was
> > under the
> > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes
> > in, did not
> > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard
> > plastic
> > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller
> > did smell at
> > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water
> > that I made,
> > until I could no longer smell it.
> >
> > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts
> > of a VOC can
> > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and
> > Olfactory
> > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a
> > very few
> > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to
> > the body's
> > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant
> > contribution relative
> > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate.
> >
> > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes
> > out near
> > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available
> > plasticizer in
> > the time that it is cooling.
> >
> > H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open
> > vessel
> > might allow too much of the steam to excape.
> >
> > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had
> > my eye on
> > perhpas.
> >
> > Garnet
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > > It normally is not solvents.  Normally what is outgassed
> > from any plastic is either
> > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents.  Soft plastics such
> > as PVC will outgas the
> > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that
> > have a plasticizer added to
> > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They
> > are both especially nasty,
> 

RE: CS>"In Vivo" CS?

[David W Kenney]

A few months ago a veterinary journal came out with a report by Kentucky
equine veterinarians.  These are the ones that work on very expensive mares.
You can imagine that getting a foal from one of these mares is a good
economic thing to do.  In any case, they had mares with very chronic
urogenital infections.   They treated these mares locally with CS & DMSO
with marginal success.  Then they treated IVand cured nearly 100%.
So...IV treatment has some value.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Ed Kasper [mailto:edkas...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:38 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>"In Vivo" CS?

sounds like Japanese-style acupuncture. Method of superficially (shallow
insertion of .5 cm) or simply laying needles on the skin using a Gold Needle
and a Silver Needle. Some people respond very positively to this form of
treatment.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com


-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:41 AM

I have wondered if a silver needle (electrode) could be inserted into a
vein and then stimulated with an appropriately small and controlled
current/voltage in order to get the effect of IV colloidal silver.  Of
course, this could be dangerous, but it may be something to think about,
experimentally...  A combination of blood electrification and colloidal
silver?

Dan

RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

From: David W Kenney wrote:
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:31:53




Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation
of non-healing fractures with great success.
Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the
ends of the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
Dr. Kenney



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RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

Marhall...very interesting.  I'd never heard those stories.
Thank you.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:27 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

David W Kenney wrote:

> If you look back on the info on this site a person explained the term
"blue
> bloods" from the medieval times.  It was when the rich and famous (Kings,
> Queens, etc.) ate off of silver plates, silver goblets, silver (ware),
etc.
> Over time these people developed a bluish tone to their skin (from the
color
> of the blood) hence the term.

Actually that is only one of several proposed explanations for why they are
called blue bloods.  Other explanations are that due to inbreeding they had
that
rare disease that gives a person blue blood (common in a certain place in
Kentucky though), genetics caused the blood in the veins to show up more
than
normal which are always blue, lack of sunlight for the royalty caused the
skin
to be very thin and pale giving a bluish cast, and that the original royalty
were human hybrids with reptilians, which reportedly have blue blood based
on
copper instead of iron like some crustaceans such as blue crabs do.

Marshall

>
> So...the answer is yes.
> Dr. Kenney
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans
>
> Could the metallic silver foil react in contact with food?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dr. David W. Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:26 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans
>
> The colloidal silver would not form a salt.  If it did then CS would be of
> no value if used orally.  However, all CS generators produce both CS and
> ionic silver...the ionic silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
> almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system.
> Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of your
> CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate
> almost instantly...
> Dr. Kenney
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans
>
> Could the silver react with the food to produce a salt?
>
> Were there actual cases of Argyria or was the presumption (in error) due
to
> the presence of silver?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:27 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans
>
> Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation of
> non-healing fractures with great success.
> Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
> I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the ends
of
> the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
> Dr. Kenney
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:27 AM
> To: Silver List
> Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans
>
> OK I am confused, what is wrong with metallic silver? Isn't that what we
> are using to make CS, metal electrodes that deposit ions and atoms of
> metallic silver into the water?
>
> I thought it was silver COMPOUNDS that were to be avoided due to their
> tendancy to accumulate in the body. Metallic silver is not a silver
> compound, unless the product is not pure? Perhaps that is the issue,
> contamination of these sources?
>
> Garnet
>
> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:08, Sally Khanna wrote:
> > In some Indian grocery stores, you can purchase sheets of silver for
> > decorating desserts.  They must be a similar stuff.
> >
> > Sally
> >
> > "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
> > Regarding the comment below, and sol's earlier comments about
> > QuackWatch having some useful information, I will add this:
> >
> > Rosemary Jacobs is much maligned for her views about EIS,
> > views which I
> > think are unsubstantiated and misleading. At the same time,
> > from her
> > site, which I read carefully some years ago, I found that a
> > silver-colored breath mint very popular in Japan was actually
> > coated
> > with metallic silver. And yes, there were documented journal
> > artic

RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

[David W Kenney]

The Canadian Department of health indicated that simple chlorine bleach is
the major cause of breast cancerinteresting.
SS & other toxins, parasites, etc. may7 also be complicating factors.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: twllLL [mailto:twl...@direcway.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

IP6   This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of

other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all 
year long.
Take it for a couple of months twice a year.
Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes
breast cancer too.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Holmes" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.


> Very interesting.  I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some
> success.
>
> Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> JOH
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
>
> Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high
> concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH.  It indicated that the
> bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement.  Removing the nickel by
> chelation relieves the hypertrophy.
> I've not heard that it is carcinogenic.
> Dr.Kenney
>
>
>
>
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RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

No...but someone else on this site mentioned it in the last couple of weeks.
It is usually in all the literature about CS though.
I will look one up if you like.
I used to have several before my house burned.
Dr. Kenney
To site members: Does anyone else have a source for the "blue Blood" story?


-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Do you have a cite(s) on that? 

JOH

-Original Message-
From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:06 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

If you look back on the info on this site a person explained the term "blue
bloods" from the medieval times.  It was when the rich and famous (Kings,
Queens, etc.) ate off of silver plates, silver goblets, silver (ware), etc.
Over time these people developed a bluish tone to their skin (from the color
of the blood) hence the term.
So...the answer is yes.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Could the metallic silver foil react in contact with food? 

-Original Message-----
From: Dr. David W. Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

The colloidal silver would not form a salt.  If it did then CS would be of
no value if used orally.  However, all CS generators produce both CS and
ionic silver...the ionic silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system.
Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of your
CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate
almost instantly...
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Could the silver react with the food to produce a salt?

Were there actual cases of Argyria or was the presumption (in error) due to
the presence of silver? 

-----Original Message-
From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation of
non-healing fractures with great success.
Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the ends of
the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:27 AM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

OK I am confused, what is wrong with metallic silver? Isn't that what we
are using to make CS, metal electrodes that deposit ions and atoms of
metallic silver into the water?

I thought it was silver COMPOUNDS that were to be avoided due to their
tendancy to accumulate in the body. Metallic silver is not a silver
compound, unless the product is not pure? Perhaps that is the issue,
contamination of these sources?

Garnet

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:08, Sally Khanna wrote:
> In some Indian grocery stores, you can purchase sheets of silver for
> decorating desserts.  They must be a similar stuff.
>  
> Sally
> 
> "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
> Regarding the comment below, and sol's earlier comments about 
> QuackWatch having some useful information, I will add this:
> 
> Rosemary Jacobs is much maligned for her views about EIS,
> views which I 
> think are unsubstantiated and misleading. At the same time,
> from her 
> site, which I read carefully some years ago, I found that a 
> silver-colored breath mint very popular in Japan was actually
> coated 
> with metallic silver. And yes, there were documented journal
> articles 
> about this product, Jin Tan, causing argyria.
> 
> Guess what? Jin Tin was in my pocket at the time.
> 
> Of course I quit buying it.
> 
> I also learned that the little colored cake beads -- the
> silver ones -- 
> have metallic silver, if Rosemary is right. (No journal
> articles about 
> that if I remember.)
> 
> Anyway, I think sol is right that it is useful to read widely
> even if we have been told that a certain source is biased. One
> ne

RE: CS>Mystery chelation

[David W Kenney]

No...I just purchase oral chelation products over the net
I purchased Cardioclear from: http://www.smart-publications.com/
Also there is another product called nickel eliminator...
From: NMS publishing: 718-871-1363
You have to be careful with chelating agents especially if you have any sort
of bleeding problem...they chelate calcim which is required for clotting.
You have to be the judge..if in question...use the nickel eliminator
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:08 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Mystery chelation

Is your recipe secret? 

-Original Message-
From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

I have been using oral chelation...and since that time have not had to use
Palmetto or any of the other proatate supplements
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

Very interesting.  I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some
success.  

Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process?

Thank you in advance.

JOH




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RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

[David W Kenney]

You are correct in the outgassing...I am not sure the type of gas though but
you may be right...
For example many pet birds have been lost in houses who cook with Teflon
because of the gas released.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal
source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas.  

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats
and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for
you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this.

What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette
(sp).

BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with
Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if
it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I
took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my
husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to
SS.

Garnet

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote:
> You may want to re-think stainless steel.  A recent article
> by Dr. Mercola reports that  Nickel and other metals found
> in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated
> metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say
> that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still
> magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel.  Apparently
> Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that
> can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is
> and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking
> temp. I almost bought a new set of  SS cooking pots  after
> reading that  I am glad I held off.  Now to  find  some good
> porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Garnet" 
> To: "Silver List" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>
> 
> 
> Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was
> under the
> impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes
> in, did not
> out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard
> plastic
> collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller
> did smell at
> first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water
> that I made,
> until I could no longer smell it.
> 
> Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts
> of a VOC can
> enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and
> Olfactory
> Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a
> very few
> molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to
> the body's
> total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant
> contribution relative
> to the other exposures we have is a point of debate.
> 
> When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes
> out near
> boiling so it could be further drawing out any available
> plasticizer in
> the time that it is cooling.
> 
> H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open
> vessel
> might allow too much of the steam to excape.
> 
> Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had
> my eye on
> perhpas.
> 
> Garnet
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > It normally is not solvents.  Normally what is outgassed
> from any plastic is either
> > the monomer, or plasticizing agents.  Soft plastics such
> as PVC will outgas the
> > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that
> have a plasticizer added to
> > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They
> are both especially nasty,
> > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive.
> >
> > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven
> set to 150 F for 24 hours
> > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas
> pretty well all of it in the
> > oven, and not do that after baking.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Garnet wrote:
> >
> > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that
> only soft
> > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics
> supposedly do
> > > not out gas anything.
> > >
> > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic.
> > >
> > > Garnet
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote:
> > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin
> under light or
> > > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic)
> too much.  My
> > > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said
> it was true.
> > > > anyone have any comment?
> > > >
> > > > Sally
> > > >
> > > > Garnet  wrote:
> > > > I use PET bottles to collect the distilled
> water I make
> > > > because it fits
> > > > the set up. For my CS

RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

If you look back on the info on this site a person explained the term "blue
bloods" from the medieval times.  It was when the rich and famous (Kings,
Queens, etc.) ate off of silver plates, silver goblets, silver (ware), etc.
Over time these people developed a bluish tone to their skin (from the color
of the blood) hence the term.
So...the answer is yes.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Could the metallic silver foil react in contact with food? 

-Original Message-----
From: Dr. David W. Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

The colloidal silver would not form a salt.  If it did then CS would be of
no value if used orally.  However, all CS generators produce both CS and
ionic silver...the ionic silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system.
Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of your
CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate
almost instantly...
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Could the silver react with the food to produce a salt?

Were there actual cases of Argyria or was the presumption (in error) due to
the presence of silver? 

-Original Message-
From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation of
non-healing fractures with great success.
Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the ends of
the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:27 AM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

OK I am confused, what is wrong with metallic silver? Isn't that what we
are using to make CS, metal electrodes that deposit ions and atoms of
metallic silver into the water?

I thought it was silver COMPOUNDS that were to be avoided due to their
tendancy to accumulate in the body. Metallic silver is not a silver
compound, unless the product is not pure? Perhaps that is the issue,
contamination of these sources?

Garnet

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:08, Sally Khanna wrote:
> In some Indian grocery stores, you can purchase sheets of silver for
> decorating desserts.  They must be a similar stuff.
>  
> Sally
> 
> "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
> Regarding the comment below, and sol's earlier comments about 
> QuackWatch having some useful information, I will add this:
> 
> Rosemary Jacobs is much maligned for her views about EIS,
> views which I 
> think are unsubstantiated and misleading. At the same time,
> from her 
> site, which I read carefully some years ago, I found that a 
> silver-colored breath mint very popular in Japan was actually
> coated 
> with metallic silver. And yes, there were documented journal
> articles 
> about this product, Jin Tan, causing argyria.
> 
> Guess what? Jin Tin was in my pocket at the time.
> 
> Of course I quit buying it.
> 
> I also learned that the little colored cake beads -- the
> silver ones -- 
> have metallic silver, if Rosemary is right. (No journal
> articles about 
> that if I remember.)
> 
> Anyway, I think sol is right that it is useful to read widely
> even if we have been told that a certain source is biased. One
> never knows. 
> It is good to keep an open mind.
> 
> 
> JBB
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, Oct 28, 2004, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, David W Kenney
> wrote:
> 
> > I told the owner...the janitor did it.
> > I'll listen to anyone that has an idea...good or bad...it is
> usually 
> > useful.
> > Dave
> 
> 
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RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

[David W Kenney]

I have been using oral chelation...and since that time have not had to use
Palmetto or any of the other proatate supplements
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

Very interesting.  I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some
success.  

Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process?

Thank you in advance.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high
concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH.  It indicated that the
bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement.  Removing the nickel by
chelation relieves the hypertrophy.
I've not heard that it is carcinogenic.
Dr.Kenney





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RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

I am not convinced that ionic silver forms silver chloride in the
stomach. For one thing HCl, stomach acid, is only relesed when eating,
its purpose is to provide the optimum acid pHh for the stomach enzymes
to work on. But if there is no food there or digestion going on there is
no HCl secretion.

[ Not truethe pH of your stomach contents is always acidic...meaning
there is HCl present eating or not.  Of course more is secreted when you eat
something, depending on the need. ]

Since no one has done in vivo studies of the stomach environment when CS
is added and actually measured / detected silver chloride I do not buy
this theory out of hand. Besides why is my home made CS so effecitve
were this to be true.

{ First, pure CS would not form AgCl.  And, only the CS is effective
therapeutically.}

As well why is my mostly ionic CS so effective in food poisoning if this
is so. 

There is more to an in vivo chemical reaction than merely
extrapolating from in vitro studies. Way more, other wise we would not
ever have to use live animal models for any studies.

{This doesn't make any sense to me.}

Last month I got sick on some spoiled lamb steaks, before the end of the
meal I had to rush to the bathroom, almost passed out several times from
the cramping. I told my husband to take some CS NOW so he would not get
sick, he got only mild gas. I drank a cup of CS as soon as I could and
my food poisoning passed quickly, but not before leaving me in a curled
up sweated heap on the oh so cool bathroom floor. It took me a few
minutes to get up, after cramping that hard, so hard I had to have my
husband hold me up so I could remain seated on the toilet. Not a pretty
story but if CS turns into silver chloride when food is in the stomach
WHY did it work for my husband?

{Because the ionic silver is doing nothing for you except if too much is
taken, the AgCl could be toxic...It doesn't even have the osmotic effect
that soluble salts have because it is in solid form) It causesminimal
problems because there are few ions in the body that can take the Cl off the
Ag ion once it is attached.  The effect you are getting is from the
Colloidal silver...not the ionic silver.}

Too many questions and way too many assumptions being made about what
those ions actually do in the body.

( I agree that we have to make assumptions some times...but chemistry is
chemistryand these reactions occur.  Actually it could be easily tested
by having someone who gets sick and vomits...vomit in a bottle, filter this
and add CS and watch for precipitates.  As long as they aren't vomiting from
achlorhydria this should be a valuable test.   Point taken.)

Dr. Kenney
Garnet

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:26, Dr. David W. Kenney wrote:
>  silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
> almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system.
> Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of your
> CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate
> almost instantly...
> Dr. Kenney
> 



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RE: CS>"In Vivo" CS?

[David W Kenney]

Certainly possible and may be part of Dr. Becker's success.  I am sure that
a form of colloidal silver was generated in Dr. Becker's work.  He was an
orthopedic surgeon fed up with amputating peoples extremities because of
non-unions.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:41 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>"In Vivo" CS?

I have wondered if a silver needle (electrode) could be inserted into a
vein and then stimulated with an appropriately small and controlled
current/voltage in order to get the effect of IV colloidal silver.  Of
course, this could be dangerous, but it may be something to think about,
experimentally...  A combination of blood electrification and colloidal
silver?

Dan




RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

From: David W Kenney wrote:
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:31:53 




Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation
of
non-healing fractures with great success.
Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the
ends of
the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
Dr. Kenney




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RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

[David W Kenney]

Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high
concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH.  It indicated that the
bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement.  Removing the nickel by
chelation relieves the hypertrophy.
I've not heard that it is carcinogenic.
Dr.Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Alan Clough [mailto:airc...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.

You may want to re-think stainless steel.  A recent article
by Dr. Mercola reports that  Nickel and other metals found
in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated
metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say
that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still
magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel.  Apparently
Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that
can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is
and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking
temp. I almost bought a new set of  SS cooking pots  after
reading that  I am glad I held off.  Now to  find  some good
porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan
- Original Message - 
From: "Garnet" 
To: "Silver List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>


Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was
under the
impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes
in, did not
out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard
plastic
collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller
did smell at
first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water
that I made,
until I could no longer smell it.

Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts
of a VOC can
enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and
Olfactory
Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a
very few
molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to
the body's
total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant
contribution relative
to the other exposures we have is a point of debate.

When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes
out near
boiling so it could be further drawing out any available
plasticizer in
the time that it is cooling.

H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open
vessel
might allow too much of the steam to excape.

Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had
my eye on
perhpas.

Garnet


On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> It normally is not solvents.  Normally what is outgassed
from any plastic is either
> the monomer, or plasticizing agents.  Soft plastics such
as PVC will outgas the
> monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that
have a plasticizer added to
> them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They
are both especially nasty,
> usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive.
>
> BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven
set to 150 F for 24 hours
> that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas
pretty well all of it in the
> oven, and not do that after baking.
>
> Marshall
>
> Garnet wrote:
>
> > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that
only soft
> > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics
supposedly do
> > not out gas anything.
> >
> > If this is true I would not use PET pastic.
> >
> > Garnet
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote:
> > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin
under light or
> > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic)
too much.  My
> > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said
it was true.
> > > anyone have any comment?
> > >
> > > Sally
> > >
> > > Garnet  wrote:
> > > I use PET bottles to collect the distilled
water I make
> > > because it fits
> > > the set up. For my CS I do use half gallon
glass canning jars.
> > > I keep
> > > the box they come in and store my CS in the
boxes in the
> > > pantry. That
> > > way I always have it on hand for a high need
situation and I
> > > can also
> > > share if someone I know gets sick. They cost
$1.59 per jar at
> > > my local
> > > Ace Hardware, with six I get a box that stacks
well and does
> > > not take up
> > > shelf space since I can put them on the pantry
floor. I doubt
> > > that PET
> > > bottles are any cheaper, but they are lighter
and have
> > > handles.
> > >
> > > Garnet
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:07, Sally Khanna
wrote:
> > > > I have a question - why do many of you use
PET plastic
> > > bottles instead
> > > > of glass to keep the CS in?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Sally
> > > >
> > > > Dave and Gwlynda Irek wrote:
> > > > T! hanks Bo for the reply. Your right I'm
trying to make 20
> > > PPM
> > >  

RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

The colloidal silver would not form a salt.  If it did then CS would be of
no value if used orally.  However, all CS generators produce both CS and
ionic silver...the ionic silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system.
Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of your
CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate
almost instantly...
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Could the silver react with the food to produce a salt?

Were there actual cases of Argyria or was the presumption (in error) due to
the presence of silver? 

-Original Message-
From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation of
non-healing fractures with great success.
Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the ends of
the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:27 AM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

OK I am confused, what is wrong with metallic silver? Isn't that what we
are using to make CS, metal electrodes that deposit ions and atoms of
metallic silver into the water?

I thought it was silver COMPOUNDS that were to be avoided due to their
tendancy to accumulate in the body. Metallic silver is not a silver
compound, unless the product is not pure? Perhaps that is the issue,
contamination of these sources?

Garnet

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:08, Sally Khanna wrote:
> In some Indian grocery stores, you can purchase sheets of silver for
> decorating desserts.  They must be a similar stuff.
>  
> Sally
> 
> "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
> Regarding the comment below, and sol's earlier comments about 
> QuackWatch having some useful information, I will add this:
> 
> Rosemary Jacobs is much maligned for her views about EIS,
> views which I 
> think are unsubstantiated and misleading. At the same time,
> from her 
> site, which I read carefully some years ago, I found that a 
> silver-colored breath mint very popular in Japan was actually
> coated 
> with metallic silver. And yes, there were documented journal
> articles 
> about this product, Jin Tan, causing argyria.
> 
> Guess what? Jin Tin was in my pocket at the time.
> 
> Of course I quit buying it.
> 
> I also learned that the little colored cake beads -- the
> silver ones -- 
> have metallic silver, if Rosemary is right. (No journal
> articles about 
> that if I remember.)
> 
> Anyway, I think sol is right that it is useful to read widely
> even if we have been told that a certain source is biased. One
> never knows. 
> It is good to keep an open mind.
> 
> 
> JBB
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, Oct 28, 2004, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, David W Kenney
> wrote:
> 
> > I told the owner...the janitor did it.
> > I'll listen to anyone that has an idea...good or bad...it is
> usually 
> > useful.
> > Dave
> 
> 
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RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

Metalic silver electrodes were used in the  70's for electrostimulation of
non-healing fractures with great success.
Check out Dr. Becker's books.  Body Electric & Cross Currents.
I would speculate that a form of colloidal silver is created at the ends of
the electrodes he implants near the non-union.
Dr. Kenney

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:27 AM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

OK I am confused, what is wrong with metallic silver? Isn't that what we
are using to make CS, metal electrodes that deposit ions and atoms of
metallic silver into the water?

I thought it was silver COMPOUNDS that were to be avoided due to their
tendancy to accumulate in the body. Metallic silver is not a silver
compound, unless the product is not pure? Perhaps that is the issue,
contamination of these sources?

Garnet

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:08, Sally Khanna wrote:
> In some Indian grocery stores, you can purchase sheets of silver for
> decorating desserts.  They must be a similar stuff.
>  
> Sally
> 
> "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
> Regarding the comment below, and sol's earlier comments about 
> QuackWatch having some useful information, I will add this:
> 
> Rosemary Jacobs is much maligned for her views about EIS,
> views which I 
> think are unsubstantiated and misleading. At the same time,
> from her 
> site, which I read carefully some years ago, I found that a 
> silver-colored breath mint very popular in Japan was actually
> coated 
> with metallic silver. And yes, there were documented journal
> articles 
> about this product, Jin Tan, causing argyria.
> 
> Guess what? Jin Tin was in my pocket at the time.
> 
> Of course I quit buying it.
> 
> I also learned that the little colored cake beads -- the
> silver ones -- 
> have metallic silver, if Rosemary is right. (No journal
> articles about 
> that if I remember.)
> 
> Anyway, I think sol is right that it is useful to read widely
> even if we have been told that a certain source is biased. One
> never knows. 
> It is good to keep an open mind.
> 
> 
> JBB
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, Oct 28, 2004, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, David W Kenney
> wrote:
> 
> > I told the owner...the janitor did it.
> > I'll listen to anyone that has an idea...good or bad...it is
> usually 
> > useful.
> > Dave
> 
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RE: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

Mike:
I have had my come upances...one which is indelibilized in my mind is below.
After this episode...I listened to anyone...and even called structural
engineers on occasion to help with stresses...

I once was presented with a fracture that had seen 4 other doctors which had
said to euthanize.  I was known in the county as finding ways in almost all
supposedly hopeless cases.   While looking at the x-rays and obviously
having a very frustrated look on my face...my janitor came by..(it was very
late in the evening)...and asked what my problem was.  I showed him the
elbow joint area (where there wasn't a visible joint...only a soup of
crushed bone) and told him that I thought the joint was still there and
needed to come up with a way to make a prosthesis that would fix the upper
and lower part of the limb but allow the joint to move as if nothing
happened.   He said...when you going to do the surgery...I told him noon the
next day (Had to stabilize this almost dead dog anyway.)  He said ok...I
have an idea.  The next day he came in with some hardware he'd picked up at
the local hardware store (before Home Depot).
I used it...and within 6 weeks this dog was walking as if nothing had
happened.
I told the owner...the janitor did it.
I'll listen to anyone that has an idea...good or bad...it is usually useful.
Dave
Thank you.

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Diet for dogs and humans

> David Kenney,AB,BS,DVM
> MSc (equiv) Physiological Biochemistry
> ND, Phd (Nutrition/Natural Health)

It's good to meet a fellow who has not let education get in the way of 
knowledge! 

Trained expertise is welcome here, David, particularly when it's 
posessor also acknowledges the wisdom of others' experience, as it 
appears you do, sir.  

Thank you,

Mike D.
da list owner guy

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CS> Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

Teri:
I am an omnivore...and if I were given a choice between a steak and
cabbage...I'd pick the steak everytime as well.  I am not big on rabbit
food.  It doesn't mean I won't eat it though...
I even had a cat once that would eat anything I was eating if I handed it to
her.  Mainly potato chips, fritos, etc.  However I could immediately get up
and put down a whole bowl of these...and not a cat in the house would touch
it.
Dr. Kenney
PS:  I founded and taught the very first licensed technician program in the
country in the early 60's.  This program is still going at Mesa State
College.  About 8 years later CA came out with the licensing...which they
called AHT's.  Animal Health Technicians.   I had 7 girls working for me and
6 took the the first test and all passed...all had just the bare minimum of
years of experience.  I received a letter from the Board congratulating me
because only 12 passed...and I had half of them.


-Original Message-
From: Teri Johnston [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

At 12:30 PM 10/27/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>Thank you...
>Perhaps you are right zoologically speaking.  In reality, dogs are
>omnivorous...by diet choice.
>David Kenney,AB,BS,DVM
>MSc (equiv) Physiological Biochemistry
>ND, Phd (Nutrition/Natural Health)
>
LOL...my dogs, all 11 of them if given the choice of a raw meaty bone or 
vegetables would choose the RMB.  When I used to feed veggies regularly I 
had to mix pureed liver with it to get them to eat it.

Teri Johnston
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RE: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

Thank you...
Perhaps you are right zoologically speaking.  In reality, dogs are
omnivorous...by diet choice.
David Kenney,AB,BS,DVM
MSc (equiv) Physiological Biochemistry
ND, Phd (Nutrition/Natural Health)


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From: Teri Johnston [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

At 10:35 AM 10/27/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>Dogs are omnivores as well.  Cats are true carnivores.
>
Dr. Kenny,

While I give the proper respect to your Dr. prefix you do not say Dr. of 
what.  Dogs are not omnivores they are opportunistic carnivores.  I to feed 
a raw diet and feed on the whole prey ideology.  I don't feed grains and 
the only veggies my dogs eat are our leftovers.  I have no problem with 
feeding veggies.  But I feel that even though this is off topic for the CS 
list that those on it must not be given untrue information which your Dr. 
prefix would make them give you more authority.

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RE: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Dogs are omnivores as well.  Cats are true carnivores.


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From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

Although dogs are carnivores, humans are omnivores.

Marshall

connie horne wrote:

> Carnivores gain very little (if any) nutritional value
>  from veggies anyhow. Becomes mute whether or not they
> are precooked/boiled.
>
> Connie
>
> From: sol 
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:29:22 -0600
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is -
> Diet for dogs and humans
>
> Question: if you have to actually boil broccoli or
> whatever in water and
> then toss out the cooking water, why bother? A very
> large portion if not
> virtually all of the water soluble vitamins and
> minerals are gone down
> the drain, making the veg no longer a good source of
> them. So what is
> the point?
> sol
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RE: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

[David W Kenney]

True carnivores (ie: Cats) in the wild eat the intestines (therefore
partially digested veggies) and would not survive without them.  In the
wild...herbivorous animals are their usual prey.  Mice & Rats for example
are omnivorous like dogs and humans.
In effect you could say that there is no true carnivore...  although there
are true herbivoresexcepting for the bugs in the food they eat...
However, most herbivores have an entirely different method of metabolism.
Dr. Kenney


-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:16 PM
To: Silver List
Subject: Re: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is - Diet for dogs and humans

I know of a dalamtian that was raised solely on a vegetarian diet. At
the ripe old age of ten she delivered a healthy litter of 10 puppies.
Makes you wonder, if what you assert is true, how this could have
occurred?

I don't buy it, show me the raw  data. If not then you are make
unsubstantiated claims.

Garnet

On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 19:28, connie horne wrote:
> Carnivores gain very little (if any) nutritional value
>  from veggies anyhow. Becomes mute whether or not they
> are precooked/boiled.
> 
> Connie
> 
> 
> From: sol 
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:29:22 -0600
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS> Was - Pulsed Electromagnetic; Is -
> Diet for dogs and humans
> 
> Question: if you have to actually boil broccoli or
> whatever in water and 
> then toss out the cooking water, why bother? A very
> large portion if not 
> virtually all of the water soluble vitamins and
> minerals are gone down 
> the drain, making the veg no longer a good source of
> them. So what is 
> the point?
> sol
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: CS>Live Bacteria

[Dr. David W. Kenney]

Joni...
Check out this site it has most all the information you need to get informed
about the rife machine.  It will take you awhile to go through all the
links...
Dr. Kenney


http://stenulson.net/althealth/index.htm

Being new to this list, I do not know what a "rife machine" is.  How does 
one go about finding a doctor that will use CS intravenously as you 
mentioned?
Thanks;
joni

I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously.  Perhaps some
of the contributors know one in your area.  Otherwise, look for a qualified
ND.
Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed
quickly by a quality "rife" machine.   I am doing a study on every living
pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies.  My first was a
fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes.  I treated first for general fungous
frequencies...no results.  Then for microsporum sp. No results.  Then I
treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10
minutes.  You can see this on the culture plate very obviously.  So...if you
have the right frequencies...it is devastating.
Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several
subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your
organism...  Once known...you could be cured of this organism in
minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would
need to heal.
Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the
required minerals...  In other words...give you body the building blocks it
requires to heal...
Dr. Dave Kenney


I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to

my history.  But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly
what I am going through.  I am getting nothing resolved.  I have mentioned
CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the
antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to

everything that has been tried.  I am going back today, very concerned, the
bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated.
joni

Original Message Follows
From: Garnet 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: Silver List 
Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500

I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to
drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO
therapy for cystitis.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote:
  > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria
  > there.  I have found great help from d Mannose.
  > Nancy
  > - Original Message -
  > From: "Denise Every" 
  > To: 
  > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM
  > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria
  >
  >
  > > < of
  > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test.
  > > The doctor was surprised at this.
  > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's
good.>>
  > >
  > >
  > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an
  > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they
do
  > a
  > > urine culture and sensitivity.  Dead bacteria don't cause infection,
dead
  > > bacteria would not grow on a culture.  What the heck kind of doctor is
  > > this???
  > >
  > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show
up
  > in
  > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive
  > reaction
  > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist)
in
  > the
  > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of
  > bacteria,
  > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going 
on,
  > but
  > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I
said
  > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria
were
  > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect
on
  > > the bacteria whatsoever.
  > >
  > > Denise
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > - Original Message -
  > > From: "William Amos" 
  > > To: 
  > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM
  > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria
  > >
  > >
  > > > Hello All:
  > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter.
  > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it.
  > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large
mass
  > of
  > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test.
  > > > The doctor was surprised at this.
  > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's
good.
  > > >
  > > > Bill Amos
  > > >
  > > >
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RE: CS>Live Bacteria

[David W Kenney]

I would suggest finding a Dr. who will use CS intravenously.  Perhaps some
of the contributors know one in your area.  Otherwise, look for a qualified
ND.
Secondly...enterococcus and most if not all bacterial organisms are killed
quickly by a quality "rife" machine.   I am doing a study on every living
pathogen I can get my hands on with the rife frequencies.  My first was a
fungi...trichophyton mentagrophytes.  I treated first for general fungous
frequencies...no results.  Then for microsporum sp. No results.  Then I
treated for the specific trichophyton frequencies...killed in less than 10
minutes.  You can see this on the culture plate very obviously.  So...if you
have the right frequencies...it is devastating.
Since you can get live cultures of enterococcus...you could do several
subcultures and easily narrow down the exact frequencies for your
organism...  Once known...you could be cured of this organism in
minutes...and be left only with the damage the organism caused which would
need to heal.
Remember, as with any therapy...you need to be on a great diet with all the
required minerals...  In other words...give you body the building blocks it
requires to heal...
Dr. Dave Kenney


I am new to this list, I wrote something, but never saw a reply in regard to

my history.  But, this topic I am seeing involving the bladder is exactly 
what I am going through.  I am getting nothing resolved.  I have mentioned 
CS to my doctors but none have listened, I am allergic to many of the 
antibiotics and this infection has reached my kidneys and seems resistant to

everything that has been tried.  I am going back today, very concerned, the 
bacteria that grew colonies is entercoccus. Any suggestions, appreciated.
joni

Original Message Follows
From: Garnet 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: Silver List 
Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:10:09 -0500

I thought it was excreted in the urine within an hour? Maybe you have to
drink a lot. It could also be infused via a urinary catheter as in DMSO
therapy for cystitis.

Garnet

On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:15, nancymike wrote:
 > Unfortunately CS doesn't quite get to the bladder to kill the bacteria
 > there.  I have found great help from d Mannose.
 > Nancy
 > - Original Message -
 > From: "Denise Every" 
 > To: 
 > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:02 PM
 > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria
 >
 >
 > > < of
 > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test.
 > > The doctor was surprised at this.
 > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's 
good.>>
 > >
 > >
 > > The doctor shouldn't be surprised... it's LIVE bacteria that cause an
 > > infection, it's LIVE bacteria that grow on the culture plate when they 
do
 > a
 > > urine culture and sensitivity.  Dead bacteria don't cause infection, 
dead
 > > bacteria would not grow on a culture.  What the heck kind of doctor is
 > > this???
 > >
 > > If the bacteria were dead and had been killed by the CS, it would show 
up
 > in
 > > the urine as cells and debris, and *might* cause a nitrate-positive
 > reaction
 > > (although I'm not sure about that, not being a laboratory specialist) 
in
 > the
 > > urine... (the positive nitrate reaction indicates the presence of
 > bacteria,
 > > from which one can deduce there is likely a bladder infection going on,
 > but
 > > I don't know if same response comes from dead bacteria)... but as I 
said
 > > they're not going to grow out on a culture plate...so if the bacteria 
were
 > > live and she had taken CS, it doesn't sound like the CS had any effect 
on
 > > the bacteria whatsoever.
 > >
 > > Denise
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > - Original Message -
 > > From: "William Amos" 
 > > To: 
 > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:24 PM
 > > Subject: CS>Live Bacteria
 > >
 > >
 > > > Hello All:
 > > > I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter.
 > > > I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it.
 > > > She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large 
mass
 > of
 > > > LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test.
 > > > The doctor was surprised at this.
 > > > They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's 
good.
 > > >
 > > > Bill Amos
 > > >
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Joni Lovegrove

RE: CS>Re:Re: CS>Live Bacteria (Dr. Kenney)

[David W Kenney]

Staph & Enterococcus could be the infection...E coli could be a contaminant.
These could be a kidney problem...(especially staph...most common.)
Remember...the bacteria could be secondary infections to a primary problem.
Counts like she has may well be a pyelonephritis...especially is she is
relatively symptom free.
Actual kidney problems have many possible causes and her Dr. should dig into
solving what actual area of the urogenital system is involved
There is so much more info needed to say exactly what is happening to this
woman...
Until she has some tests run, Garnet's advice of acidifying the urine and
drinking volumes of water is good.
Dr. Kenney


The three bacteria that showed up in the urine test are...
E-coli, Staph and Enterococcus. Would this be a kidney problem?
Bill Amos
--
E coli and staph are bacteria...not virus...but this probably just a typo,
right?
It is also unusual for a gram neg (Esherichia coli) and a gram pos (Staph)
to show up in the same culture.  Bacteria could show up in the urine without
having a bladder infection.  Ie:  Severe glomerulonephritis where the
glomeruli are damaged, pyelonephritis, etc.
Glomerulonephritis is very serious
Dr. Kenney

Hi Garnet:
I talked to the lady again today and she said there were 3 live viruses that
appeared in the test. E-coli, staph and one other
that she couldn't remember. The test mentioned 100,000 units ofeach. The
Doctor mentioned that it was unusual for these types of live  bacteria to
show up in the urine test.

Bill Amos
-- Bacteria
would not exit the body through the bladder. She must have a bladder
infection. Since CS ends up in the urine within an hour or two of ingestion
it should help. Cranberry juice and Vit C will acidify the urine and also
assist. Lots of water to flush as well.

Garnet

On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:24, William Amos wrote:
> Hello All:
> I just talked to a friend of mine who has a very sick daughter.
> I gave her a large supply of CS and she has been taking it.
> She told me when she had her tests, the urine test showed a large mass of
LIVE bacteria had showed up in the test.
> The doctor was surprised at this.
> They must have saw the silver coming and got out while the getin's good.
> 
> Bill Amos
> 
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