Re: CS and antibiotic deaths
I'll go you one better. A few years ago, my doc put me on a brand new high power antibiotic (the name of which escapes me). About 4 days into the course of antibiotics, my mom calls to ask what the name is. When I tell her, she says that I better not take another one since they have been recalled. I call the pharmacist, who knows nothing of the recall, and then call the doctor who assures me that I should continue taking the meds since he hadn't heard anything. I decided to stop taking the stuff on a Thursday, and never heard another word about it until the following Tuesday, when lo and behold the pharmacist calls and informs me that in fact people are dropping DEAD from renal failure. Not just a few people, but many people just dropping dead. The interesting thing is that I never heard another word about it from the news, my pharmacist, or my doctor. Got to protect the sacred cow now don't we. Vern -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 10:10 AM Subject: Re: CS > >> >>> Rosemary Jacobs' story is tragic. I am sad for her. It appears she has >>> become a zealot for whom any silver is bad silver. That I can >>> understand. But I don't have to accept her view without question. >> >>And what is odd to me is that no one has pointed out a corrolary. >>That is, prescription antibiotics cause a _lot_ of problems, >>even killing some people directly. > > This is for sure!! I put on a LOT of weight while taking doxycycline for 5 >years, and I was eating less as I was too sick to cook. Also had my arm >blistered from sunlight entering the closed car window during a long drive. >Then there are the numerous yeast infections as a result of other abx... >Thank God for CS!!! >Marsha > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and Parasites???
How about trying Hulda's Green Walnut Hull Extract. -Original Message- From: Maurice Evans To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:51 PM Subject: CS and Parasites??? >Hello All, > >I have been reading the silver list for a while. I am not a researcher >but I do enjoy the material...because I am battling an autoimmune >disease. > >I have a question I hope someone can give me some insight on: >Does CS have any effect on tapeworm and their eggs...as mentioned in >Hulda Clark's book? I have been getting night sweats around the upper >body...and it is my understanding it may be caused by Ascaris eggs and >larvae. Does CS and/or Ozonated Water kill these? > >If not, what would be your opinion as to the best course of action to >take to rid myself of the parasites? > >Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Keep up all the good >comments on the list. > >Thanks... >Maurice > >___ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ed McCabe
Anyone want to boil this all down for us so we can make sense of it all? I read a few pages and thought "way paranoid", in spite of the fact that I happen to believe the conspiracy . I would assume that someone here knows what is going on with this case since this stuff keeps showing up on the list. How about giving us a short explanation? -Original Message- From: Bill G. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 9:16 PM Subject: Re: CS>Ed McCabe >=== Try this link: > >http://www.oxytherapy.com/edmccabe/index.html > >It should give you all the info you need. > >--- - > > > > >At 11:50 AM 11/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Ed McCabe seems to be a popular fellow. Would someone like to explain >>who he is and why he's in jail? >>_ >>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Less is Better?
Dean, This is exactly what I wondered some months ago. I questioned some of the "more is better" thinking and got a few responses that questioned my intelligence. The funny thing is that the literature that came with the unit I have states that when the the concentration gets above 5-6 ppm, the particles begin to clump together. It makes sense to me and in fact I have had super results with my little 5-6 ppm solution. I know that most people think that if 5-6 ppm is good then 100 or 500 ppm is better, but I don't think that is necessarily true in this case. I would say that I have had as good or better results than many of those using the higher ppm solutions. I'm glad that you brought this up. It will be interesting to see how the discussion progresses. Vern -Original Message- From: Dean Woodward To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 6:39 PM Subject: CS>Less is Better? Hi Mike, Bruce, Bob, etc. etc. I have been experimenting with CS for awhile now, and found it very useful. I don't (to my knowledge) have any major infections, so have been using CS topically for athlete's foot and "jock itch" which I have fought most of my life. It really helps. So, take what I say here as it applies to topical uses - I don't know if the same thing would apply for internal use. Recently I started making higher concentrations (usual 3 9-volt batteries, wire from Marsha, current-limiting bulb, etc.) of 35to 40 ppm (Hanna WP1), and started to see decreasing effectiveness in the CS. Recently was in Needville and arranged to visit with Bob Lee (hi-Bob), who has authored so many really well-thought-out posts on this list. Bob commented that lower concentrations seem to work better. That, coupled with my recent experience with less effectiveness from higher concentrations, led me to try very low concentration. I made a batch that tested at 5 ppm, and barely made a Tyndall trace with red laser pointer. Have tried it on the jock itch, and the result has been startlingly good. Makes me wonder if less really is better, and if so why. Could it be that the silver particles are far enough apart in the colloid that they have less inclination to floculate, and therefore are available to function. I would be very interested in the experience of others in this regard, and in any theories to support the observations. Regards to all from "Aggie-Land" (How about those Aggies!!!) Dean Woodward
Re: CS and zapping
Vilik, Thanks for the reply. I've treated the dogs for several weeks now and they still itch. I only seem to get relief from zapping with a Hulda Clark type unit, but it only lasts about a day. I'm going to try the topical CS and Grapefruit seed extract like you suggest. Thanks for the help. Vern -Original Message- From: Vilik Rapheles To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 11:06 AM Subject: Re: CS and zapping > > > >Vern, > > I've had the "itchies" quite intensely at times. Have you tried topical >cs? Soaking in food grade H2O2 might do it too...check health food stores >for this, and try 8 ounzes of 35% in the tub...if you can't find it let me >know. Grapefruit seem extract on the skin (not sraight! dilute...it's >potent) might heltp, is available and all health stores and not too >expensive. [Sometimes (but don't tell anybody) I have had to resort to >Lanocane from the drugstore...or an antifungal cream...but I didn't now >about c.s. and gfs then.] > > Make sure you clean bedding, clothes and dogs while you're cleaning you. >Wash bedding in HOT water with bleach and borax. > > Also, the itchies are often a sign of detox, and could well be a result of >the program you're on. Whichever, something above might help > > I hope soon you're sinking into bed with a sigh of (itchfree) relief... > >Vilik > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 03:43 AM 11/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Bruce or anyone else who knows, Any help would be >>appreciated. Vern > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and zapping
Chris, That is what I thought at first too, but I'm not so sure now. We have been treating our dogs with some high power stuff every week for 3 weeks and they just keep itching and so do I. The Clark-type zapper works for about 12 to 24 hours and then they just come back. The vet has no clue. The dermatologist wants me to believe that it is just coincidence and all I have is dermatitis which tells me nothing about how to beat it. The whole study of parasites is very foreign to our western ways. I wish I could find someone who knew some eastern medicine since they seem to deal more with parasites. Anyhow, thanks for your reply, Vern -Original Message- From: Christine Griffin To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 9:50 AM Subject: Re: CS and zapping Vern Your itchy little mites sounds an awful lot like SCABIES. They are skin mites that burrow just barely under the skin and itch like crazy. They are seldom on the face or head, but attack hands, wrists, and other parts of the body. The treatment is <<
Re: CS and zapping
Debbie, Yep, I'm kind of leaning that way myself. The Candida thing explains a whole bunch of things for me, including viral encephalitis that nearly killed me, sleep problems, depression, Fibromyalgia, IB, and a whole host of other problems. I've been trying to convince my doctor for about 10 years that there is some underlying cause that creates all of the problems, but he has preferred to treat one symptom at a time. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Oh well, I've gotten further on my own since getting into the alternate health scene. As for the itching, I really think that my dogs picked up something from a cat that they killed and then gave it to me, but who knows, I did get the outbreak about the same time that I started taking CS every day. I guess that it could be some type of die. Anyhow, I would like your list of URL's if they are handy. Thanks again, Vern -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 9:01 AM Subject: Re: CS and zapping >Both these conditions are symtoms of Candidiasis. There is much evidence in my >recent readings that this is involved in prostate conditions in men. I have >some urls. Others have posted canadida urls also. Most doctors do not believe >in it so find one that does. Email for my list of urls if you would like. >Debbie > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and zapping
Turf, Thanks for the reply. First, I didn't know that I was sending in HTML format, but I'm not surprised since I just had a major computer meltdown and things still aren't back to normal. As for the plans that you have on your site for the variable frequency zapper, I'd like to have them, but I don't see your address anywhere in the message. Would you mind sending it to me? Thanks Vern -Original Message- From: Brian McInturff To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 4:55 AM Subject: Re: CS and zapping > > > >> Bruce or anyone else who knows, >> I recall seeing a post recently that stated that >> you should not take CS while zapping with a Clark type zapper. Could you >> explain this to me.& > >I know of now reason to avoid CS while zapping. > >> parasite that the docs cannot find > >For conditions like this, I would take MSM. > >> take CS for >> chronic Prostatitis. > >I would not take it for this condition unless short term. I would first >use a cleansing diuretic (like Planetary Formula's Stone Free) with magnesium >and potassium citrate (like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate and Twinlab Potassium >Citrate) for a 3 week program to first help remove crystals in the prostate, >bladder, and such. Then use antibacterials like CS. It does no good to >kill bacteria for kidney or prostate (or liver and gall) infections if >there are stones and crystals harboring them. > >> experience dealing with itchy little skin critters. > >You can rub CS on the skin and perhaps catch some critter or fungal >infections. If this does not work, try tea tree oil. > >> point me to info on building one of these generators. > >Unless you are quite adept at building things like this, it would >be a lot less hassle to just buy Bruce's device since it is >inexpensive. Otherwise, see the zapper tips article on my web >page for how to build a variable frequency zapper. > >turf > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS and zapping
Bruce or anyone else who knows, I recall seeing a post recently that stated that you should not take CS while zapping with a Clark type zapper. Could you explain this to me. I have been using the zapper for some type of skin parasite that the docs cannot find and at the same time need to be taking CS for chronic Prostatitis. What are the dangers? Also, has anyone had any experience dealing with itchy little skin critters. I'm sure I caught them from my dogs who got them from killing a squirrel and a cat. The vet can't find anything on scrapings, and the dog dips don't seem to be helping. My dermatologist is calling my itching nonspecific dermatitis, but I don't think so. I see that Bruce lists a frequency that kills mites, could someone point me to info on building one of these generators. Any help would be appreciated. Vern
Re: Y2K Mag.
Joyce, If I understand it right, some things are correctable and some aren't. I have a computer that passed 4 of 5 tests and the fifth said that I could manually correct the problem. Of course you could always just give it a shot of CS just to keep us on topic. Vern -Original Message- From: Joyce Inouye To: Tai-Pan Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Y2K Mag. >A gentleman just told me last night that if the Y2K bug can't be fixed in >time, JUST PUT THE CLOCK BACK 10 YEARS. Will this work? It may be a >simple solution for home pc's. Or are there inaccessible, independently >programmed chips to worry about? > >:) Joyce Inouye > > > >On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Tai-Pan wrote: > >> Hi Listers, >> A new magazine is out on Y2K. It will only have 36 bi-weekly issues. >> Its about Y2K problem and corrective actions.*Y2K News* is published >> by*The Trades* in Crossville Tenn.Over 2000 subscriptions already >> sold.Price $19.95 for six months. After 36 issues it will be year 2000 >> and mag will be shut down. :-)Keep your batteries warm. >> Bless you Bob Lee >> -- >> oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast >> l...@fbtc.net >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Solar panels
Sandra, Try http://www.sciplus.com/ Vern -Original Message- From: medalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Solar panels >In a message dated 8/20/98 1:57:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mdev...@mail.id.net writes: > ><< That was me, Bob. They're quite some characters at that place. Their > catalog is full of wit as well as interesting things. Thanks for your > testing results on the panel. > > Be well, > > Mike D. >> > > >Could you get me that url, please? > >Sandra > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: silver and paramecium
Jim, Do you have any idea how much CS of a given ppm would have to be added to say a 16 oz. glass of water to get the paramecium to stop moving? Vern -Original Message- From: jein...@troi.csw.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 9:54 PM Subject: silver and paramecium Hi List, I did some experimenting on the paramecium that Reid sent to me. I -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Brown Recluse spider bite
Harvey, I feel sorry for the bugger. I tangled the thee Brown Recluse about 10 years ago and it nearly got me. For me, the critical time period was the first 16 hours and it began within minutes knocking me unconscious. I didn't end up seeing the doctor because I passed out before I could get to one. I figured I was going to live since I woke up (mostly in this dimension) almost a day later. I really can't tell you how to deal with the problem, however, I can tell you some of the things to look out for. After the immediate pain and muscle spasms subsided, the bite area turned blue, green, purple, black and not necessarily in that order. The area ached something fierce and eventually a huge chunk of tissue fell off of my arm where I was bitten. At the time, all I was putting on the bite was ZMO (a remedy from early America) and tri-antibiotic cream. If I had to do it now, I would try some silver and possibly some tea tree oil, and see if I could find someone who specializes in such things. Another thing to look out for is the advance of some opportunistic bug or illness. Some of my docs think that the spider bite may be what brought on my fibromyalgia. Sorry I can't be more help. Oh, by the way, someone is bound to tell you to use one of those stun guns. I'd advise you to stay away from that approach. From what I can understand, the shock approach is more along the lines of folklore than anything else. Hope your friend fares well, Vern -Original Message- From: Harvey Flatbush To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:08 AM Subject: Brown Recluse spider bite >Hi List, > >Here is a situation I haven't seen addressed on the list before. I just >found out about an hour ago that one of my friends has been bitten by a >Brown Recluse spider on his shin and at the moment the bite has spread to >roughly two inches in diameter.. Does anyone on the list know of anyone >that has effectively dealt with this problem using a zapper, Rife >equipment, colloidal silver or any other alternative curing method? Please >post answers to list for other's benefit. > >Thanks heaps, > >Harvey > > Harvey Flatbush < > ha...@iomet.com > http://www.iomet.com > < Ione, Washington > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS response
Deb, Not exactly, but if I leave the CS in my mouth long at all, I get what you might call a sore throat. It doesn't last a real long time, but the whole region does get somewhat touchy for a little while. I have no idea what causes this reaction. Vern -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 7:01 AM Subject: Re: CS response >Hi All, > Have any of you had any sensation/dull ache (for lack of better word) in your >thyroid region upon taking your CS? This happens to me every morning a short >while after I drink some. Deb > >-- > > > Debbie McDonald > > mailto:lullw...@flash.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Filters.
Mike, What about one of the PUR or other camp water purifiers. Some filter down to .004 micron. About 70 bucks if I remember correctly. The ones in the .2 to 1.0 micron range only go for around 30 bucks. Thing is that the better one might just filter out the silver as well, at least for the larger particles and clumps. Just a thought. Vern -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Followup to PPM techniques I just checked in my trusty Fisher Scientific catalog, and there are lots of different filters in the range of 0.2 microns and above, and many down to 0.1 microns. I did find one interesting entry, Alumina matrix filter membranes from Whatman, in 0.2 micron, 0.1 micron, and 0.02 micron!! Not cheap, but would give you a decent idea of what concentration of bioactive particles you have. So careful filtration/separation techniques could be used. Be well, Mike D. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and immune system - Borna virus
Bill, I don't know if the words below are yours or from some site you have visited. What I do know is that they seem to be a grand sweeping generalization. I really hate it when the "natural" community (of which I am a part) throws out all medical knowledge and medicine as useless. I could line up hundreds of people who will tell you how wrong the statement below is. While psychiatric drugs may be toxic and/or addictive in some cases, "practically useless" is a bit strong for my liking. I've seen all manner of quackery convince folks to throw away their meds only to land in a hospital or the morgue. The fact is, some folks are very sick and function only because some psychiatric medication allows them to overcome an imbalance. Watch one of these folks kill themselves because they gave up their medication and began thinking that the rat terrier was God telling them to destroy themselves and the world, and you may gain another perspective. As for the rest of the post, perhaps CS could help these folks and perhaps not. I personally doubt that all mental illnesses have a like cause. The diverse nature of mental symptoms and the delicate systems of the brain/mind lead me to believe that there are any number of things that can create an imbalance. If CS works for some, great, but I bet it won't work for all, in which case we better keep some meds on hand too. I feel the same way about the antibiotic debate that has been going on lately. I for one am darn glad to have antibiotics because CS does not work for every malady. I hope you don't take this as a flame, I just hate to see us throw out everything related to medicine. It seems that at times we become as pompous as they. Vern -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 10:43 AM Subject: Re: CS and immune system - Borna virus >Borna virus causes depression, manic depression, and even >schizophrenia in humans. It is cured by antiviral drugs, >but not by psychiatric drugs which are toxic, addictive, >and practically useless in most cases, while making drug >companies wealthy and driving up health care costs. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: OT:book Pain Diaries, preview
Debbie, Thanks for posting this site. I am one of the few males with Fibromyalgia and found some good information at the site you listed. Anyhow, thanks for sharing. Vern -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 8:40 PM Subject: OT:book Pain Diaries, preview >Sorry off topic, might help someone. Posted yesterday so view today Deb >> 7/22/98 Dr. Hans Hansen has drafted a new chapter >> of his book, PAIN DIARIES, explaining Fibromyalgia pain and why you hurt. >> Please view the chapter "Fibromyalgia - Why You Hurt" at >> http://www.fibromyalgia.com under the "Book" section This >> will be on the web page for only 2 days >-- > > > Debbie McDonald > > mailto:lullw...@flash.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Off-TopicRe: another reason to use CS
Joyce, I don't know how many tabs or caps you get for that, but it seems a bit high for anything less than 150. I'm taking a similar formulation from another company and it is much less for 90 caps. -Original Message- From: Joyce Inouye To: Bill Kingsbury Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:26 PM Subject: Off-TopicRe: another reason to use CS >but there are formulas just for the heart--Cardio One, for example, has >Folic Acid (2.4 mg.), Vitamin B6 (10 mg.); Trimethylglycine (for reducing >homocysteine levels); and a few other ingredients for vascular support. > >I haven't tried the Cardio One, so I don't know how effective it is (I >don't have a heart problem.) It sells for $17.95 at 1-800-227-1937 Ext. >30740 for around $17. As I said, I think the money would be better spent >:) Joyce > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: OT: Liver Cleanse
Still wrong, try http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver.txt instead. -Original Message- From: Philip Collins To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: Liver Cleanse >Sandy and all-- > >Thanks and very sorry, I mistyped a q instead of a g. Here is the correct >address for liver cleanse recipe: >http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver/txt. > >Whitney Collins > > >> >>The email address given below-for Brian McInturf- for info on liver flushes >>is incorrect. >>Sandy >> >> >>san...@better.net >> >> >>-- >>> From: Philip Collins >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Frank Matzka >>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>> Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes >>> >>> >>> >Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? > > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
Debbie, Did you have any problems with the parasite program? I got to about day 12 and felt really strange and stopped. I didn't know if the really strange feeling was good or bad and since I didn't have anyone to ask at the time, I thought I had better stop the whole thing. As for your dehydration, I can tell you that I have had severe dehydration twice from what the docs told me was gall bladder attack. The second time, the docs wanted to stick an IV in me to rehydrate me and I decided to go home and rehydrate orally instead. Those were the worst 3 days that I have had in a long while. I can't explain how I felt, but it was just barely human. Anyhow, I bet I was drinking a couple of gallons a day and it still took 3 days to get back to a reasonable normal feeling. Apparently rehydration takes some time if you don't go the IV route. Vern -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Brain fog anecdotes >I used Clarkes parasite program and the ornithine worked for me like a charm >LOW BLOOD pressure causes dehydration. I can sit here and guzzle water all day >and not restore my hydration. Anyone have any theories on that one? Sorry off >topic:) Deb >-- > > > Debbie McDonald > > mailto:lullw...@flash.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Silver?..Are you sure?
Paul, And your purpose for telling us all this is what? Trolling for a fight or trying to sell us some Olive Leaf or Grapefruit Seed Extract? Your post is a bit like going to mass and standing up in the middle of the service and yelling Catholicism sucks. -Original Message- From: W P BASS To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 7:02 PM Subject: Silver?..Are you sure? Hi all, I have been here for a while. I was all for silver a first. I am not now. I owe an explanation. (1) Silver is questionable in it's effectiveness. (2)Silver may have after effects...(turning blue)...I don't want itDo you? (3) There are better alternatives.olive leaf extract...grapefruit seed extract..no side effects!!! Thats it! My two cents worth. I suspect I will be flamed for this. That's okay..I enjoy it. Hope you read this far, Paul
Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract
Charles, Try this instead. The original had a space in it, so you were not getting the whole address when you clicked on it. http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/archive.stm Vern -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract >This post GREATLY provoked my curiosity, but when I clicked on the link >it said "Object not found". Any help? I REALLY would like to see this >info. > >Charles > >> http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/archive.stmthen click -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract
Reid, Have you tried Ginkgo Biloba to thin the blood some when you get bad? You shouldn't take it if you have any past of aneurysms or strokes caused by arterial bleeding. It has been of some use to Alzheimer's patients. Just a thought. Vern -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract >> Your reference to "brain fog" prompts me to offer the following >>suggestion. Our research group has been doing some investigational >>inspections of existing literature/research results relating to >>Excitotoxinsand their effect on the human brain. > > Something that I should mention that concerns brain fog. I've noticed >while looking at my blood from day to day that my blood gets thicker as I >get worse. Thick blood doesn't get into the small capilaries and brain >as it should. Thus causing the brain to be starved to oxygen inturn >brain fog. With years of starving the brain of oxygen an you have >distroyed enough brain cells to cause alshimers. > > > > >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS - colon bacteria
Paul, I'm thinking that the CS does make it through the stomach based on what I have observed. I have kicked intestinal flu with CS, and I happen to be one of those who ends up with other intestinal problems when I ingest CS. If I take some Acidophilus for a few days, everything seems to come back to normal. It may work differently on others, but CS seems to work on both the good and bad intestinal bacteria in me. Maybe it is actually something else besides the loss of good intestinal bacteria that causes me the problems. I think I'm going to have to try some experimentation and drag out my microscope as well. Vern. -Original Message- From: Paul Andree To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 2:06 PM Subject: Re: CS - colon bacteria >Hi Bob and List, > >Just a thought here on this. >If CS is completely absorbed from the stomach, then it will never reach >the colon. >It would seem that the good bacteria, and/or the bad bacteria will not >be affected by the CS. >I don't know that this is fact, as I am surmising. >Does anyone have thoughts or info on this? > >Thanks, >Paul Andree >Eustis, Lake Co, Florida AOL Instant Messenger = andreepaul > >Andre's Net Design & Related Enterprises - Web Page Authoring > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Use of H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide)
Dean, I think that you are getting ripped off on bottles, unless they are half gallon or gallon size. Vern -Original Message- From: Dean Woodward To: l...@fbtc.net ; silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 3:06 PM Subject: RE: Use of H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) >Bob and All: I'm glad to hear about the barrier bottle, as I have been using >them to store my CS. I reasoned that anything that could store h202 would >probably be good for CS. My ppm of cs seems to hold fairly steady in the >bottle. Even to buy them, pour out the h2o2 would be cost effective >(Containers Inc. are quoting cobalt blue bottles for $2.90 EACH). > >I have had good success at controlling periodontal disease with very dilute >h2o2 solution (half 3%/half water) used before bed at night as a mouth wash >(not rinsed afterward). However. Cs does a far better job for me. No pink >tooth brush since I started using CS as a rinse a couple of months ago. Good >stuff! > >Dean Woodward > >-Original Message- >From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net] >Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 2:32 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: Use of H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) > >Douglas Haack wrote: >> >> I understand that the 32% H2O2 is sprayed onto the flat packaging >> materials used for those small popper drink containers prior to final >> fabrication and filling with liquids. >> >> These appear to be fabricated from heavy card board lined with alu foil >> and this foil is lined with a plastic. >> >> The drink packaging plant people seem to be the users according to my >> enquiries here in Sydney >> >> Douglas Haack > Hi Douglas and list, > Thats a very interesting use of H2O2. Hydrogen Peroxide comes in many >concentrations. At 90% it will decompose rapidly on contact with lots of >things ( boom,bang). At 32% it will decompose a little more slowly, not >explosively but still very vigorous. Aluminum and plastics are known to >have oily surfaces and require cleaning. Oil is organic and the H2O2 >will clean the surface,decomposing as it does into water and oxygen. The >oxygen vaporizes away and the water is dried off leaveing a clean >surface for placing the plastic layer on the aluminum. They would clean >the plastic surface the same way before folding it into a box for >filling. This is industrial strength and must be handled carefully, it >will quickly eat the skin off of you or eat any organic thing it can. At >3% its very safe ,mild, and non-toxic. Its so mild you can buy it in any >store for 38 cents a bottle.When they say its a mild anti-septic, thats >exactly right, won`t hardly hurt a flea. The 3% concentration will >decompose in a few seconds on contact will organic materials as a >foaming bubbly cleanser. Most people use it to bleach hair because it is >so mild. It is used to loosen dried stuck bandages from wounds because >it is so mild and will not harm the tissue. Because of this usage people >thought it was being used to disinfect the wound,while in reality it was >just to get the dried bandage off. Hydrogen Peroxide is thermally >unstable because its formation is a highly endo-thermic process. In >order to store it ,it must be stabilized with small amounts of a >negative catalyst (stabilizer)such as acetanilide. Heavy metals (copper, >silver) will hasten the decomposition into water and oxygen. Storage is >in special bottles called *barrier* bottles. Go get your Hydrogen >Peroxide from your bathroom and look at the bottle. Its a very dark >brown strange feeling plastic bottle. In this bottle it will keep about >two years (they have dates on them, usually on the cap). It will self >decompose by itself anyway over a few years however hard we want it not >to. By the way ,if you have an empty barrier bottle its a great way to >store your CS. Barrier bottles are not permeable like regular plastic >bottles. They aren`t good from a marketing stand point because they are >so ugly (the bottles that is). > I`m glad a lot of people are looking into uses for this very useful >compound.:-) > The government says its ok because its so safe,its so mild,even the >kids can play with it (at 3%). > > Bless you Bob Lee >-- >oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast > l...@fbtc.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devo
Re: A Closer Look at Silver & Argyria: was Re: Colloidal Silver (The Jacobs story)
Nancy, Good post, but I saw one thing that caught my eye. I see your reasoning here regarding Olestra, but there are some subtle differences. From what I understand, Olestra is an additive that apparently has not been subject to the same long term studies required for many other additives. Olestra apparently causes very severe abdominal distress in some people in small quantities, thus the labeling is deceptive and fails to accurately portray the type of symptoms that some might experience. Finally, most people (some children excused for obvious reasons) realize that raisins, prunes and most other fruits can and will cause diarrhea and abdominal distress. Olestra is not a familiar "food" and probably is not recognizable to the majority of the people eating it. If anything, the industry has underlabeled and inadequately warned those who are using the products with Olestra. Anyhow, I'm sure that you already know and realize all of this. I just thought I'd add a point of clarification for some who may not have had exposure to Olestra. Vern -Original Message- From: Nancy B. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 8:33 AM Subject: A Closer Look at Silver & Argyria: was Re: Colloidal Silver (The Jacobs story) >Reminds me of the Olestra conflict too. Should raisins & >prunes carry a warning label that they may cause abdominal >pain & diarrhea if Olestra has too? >Sincerely, >Nancy > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Off-Topic: Aloe cure for cancer
Raul, I'd like to see the recipe, and I would think that some of the others here would like it too. Vern -Original Message- From: Raul Vergini, MD To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 6:28 AM Subject: Off-Topic: Aloe cure for cancer >Hi, >Recently I knew of a cancer therapy with Aloe. >The recipe was brought here by a catholic missionary. It originate from >Brasil. There are many people here in Italy using it. I knew of it many >months ago, but I didn't pay much attention/interest to it. Then a friend >of mine told me that he is using it with his mother (70yo) that has a >kidney cancer with pulmonar metastasis. After adding Aloe to her regimen >(that included pancreatic enzymes and potassium ascorbate, with not very >good results) she had a clear amelioration, more energy, willing to do all >her domestic works, no pains, etc. A x-ray of her lungs showed no change in >the round metastatic lesion, but a thick zone under the metastasis (edema?) >is clearly reduced. I will follow the case to see what happen. >The Aloe used in this therapy is not Aloe vera, but Aloe Arborescens. >The missionary published a small book here with several case histories from >Brasil and Israel (where he lived) with addresses and telephone numbers of >the patients. >If someone knows of this therapy I will be happy to exchange opinions. >If someone is interested in it, I can email to the group the recipe with >directions. >Best >Raul > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Easy experiment - what about yogurt culture
Kris and Jim, I'm not quite following all the talk about converting bacteria. Haven't the in vitro tests shown CS to kill the bacteria or virus rather than convert it? I realize that this is different than in vivo, but why would we assume that the results would be to convert rather than kill? I'm curious how this idea originated. Could you give me some more info. (research or theory) that could enlighten me a bit on this. Also, how much magnification is needed to see the acidophilus bacteria? Thanks, Vern -Original Message- From: jein...@troi.csw.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Easy experiment - what about yogurt culture > From: "Hermes, Kristofer J" > To:"'Silver List'" > Subject: Re: Easy experiment - what about yogurt culture > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:10:19 -0400 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > What if there are no "good" or "bad" microbes, but just microbes that > "mutate" from a "good" to a "bad" STATE dependent on the "terrain" of > one's body. With a highly acidic body, microbes that would normally > exist as "good" microbes, revert to "bad" ones...without the actual > CREATION of NEW "bad" microbes. The reason why this thought is > interesting is that it implies that CS does not actually "kill" > microbes, but merely "converts" them. > > I am not a microbiologist, so I am (ab)using lay terms here...sorry if > this is offensive to anyone. Is there someone on the list who might be > able to expand on this theory? > I'm with you on this Kris! I believe this is what is happening most of the time. We are not really killing the microbes, just causing them to change back to "good" bacteria. > I am taking an Acidophilus product that does not need refrigeration. It > is made by Da Vinci and is called "Flora" (probably available at many > supplement stores). If this type of experiment could be done with > Acidophilus by itself (and not in yogurt), we might be able to make a > determination more easily. Has anyone done this, or does anyone have > the tools to do it? > I have a darkfield microscope, and as soon as I get a little time, I will give this idea a try, to see if we can see all this take place under the microscope. I'll post to the list anything I find out. This is a good thread, keep it going. Maybe we will all learn something new here. God Bless! Jim > This is all very fascinating stuff! > > > Kris > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: a question about CS
Jerry, I use the weak stuff too (5 ppm or so) and I have had great results. If it has been working for you and your friends, I would think that you "are" making it correctly. Some of the people here using the strong stuff are fighting Lymes and I wonder if maybe it is just much more difficult to kill than most other things. By the way, I don't heat my water, or use salt, or long 'cooking' times (only 20 min. 36 V DC.). I do use distilled water and find that the process starts slowly. When I see bubbles on one electrode, I set the timer for 20 minutes and it comes out great. Maybe you are like me and don't actually need the industrial strength CS. There is also a line of thought that suggests that the higher ppm solutions actually cause the silver particles in the CS to clump together, effectively increasing the particle size. I don't know if it really does or not, but if it does, the higher ppm solutions may be less effective since some think that it is the small (.001 to .004 microns) sized particles that are most effective against bacteria and such. Here is a quote out of the literature that came with my generator. N.R. Thompson of the Runcorn Health Laboratory in Cheshire, England reports, "The Concentration of silver necessary to sterilize water contaminated with pathogenic bacteria is between .04 and .2 ppm." That is much weaker than what you and I are making, so we are probably okay with our "weak" stuff. That's my opinion, others will vary. Vern -Original Message- From: win...@aol.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 9:53 PM Subject: a question about CS >I am new to the world of CS. I have followed the instructions found on the >many different sites about making CS water. I was under the impression that I >was making CS water that was over 100ppm. I have been using it and so have >some of my friends. All have had releif from a variety of diseases and >conditions. I asked awhile back on this list and received information on how >to find a lab to have my water tested. I have and was very surprised to find >that the CS water I have been making is only 5-6ppm. >It seems that raising the temperature didn't make a difference in the ppm at >all. Am I doing something wrong or is the reality that it doesn't require >different temperatures to produce different ppm in the water? >What is the correct way to make CS water? >Also anotther quick question? What is the difference in using pure saline or >soda in this process? I seem to be confused. >Bare with this beginner and my spelling. >Thanks >Jerry > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Easy experiment - what about yogurt culture
I wonder if this line of thought is a bit wishful thinking. If the silver works on the cell wall as some of the research indicates, why would we assume that it would be able to tell the difference between "good" and "bad" bacteria? For instance has anyone had a chance to see the new warnings for antibacterial soap. Apparently the soap actually hinders the bodies defenses to bacteria, germs and the like because the soap kills the friendly bacteria that normally colonize the skin and keep the nasties from setting up shop. I would assume that although CS may work by a different mechanism, the results may be similar. I can't really think of a reliable mechanism that would allow CS to work on only "bad" bacteria. If there is/was, why would it necessarily be tuned to human beings. I say this because some bacteria that is lethal to humans may not have the slightest effect on other animal species. "Bad or good" is relative depending on which animal you happen to be. The other thing that I have noticed is that when I take CS (or antibiotics) my stomach goes all to heck. I know it doesn't do this to many others and I haven't figured out the reason why. What I do know is that when I take Acidophilus regularly, the CS doesn't create the stomach problems (Similar to Michael's yogurt approach). I just make sure that I take them at different times since I don't want to kill the fresh Acidophilus by taking the CS at the same time. Anyhow, if someone comes up with a good design for the yogurt test, I would be glad to give it a whirl. I'm not too sure how to identify whether or not the acidophilus has been killed off in the yogurt (without a microscope that is). I also don't know how long the Acidophilus would last without refrigeration anyhow. I know that the tablets have to be refrigerated, so the experiment would most likely have to be done under refrigeration or be completed before the natural die off of acidophilus occurred at room temperature. Anyone have any ideas on this? -Original Message- From: Hermes, Kristofer J To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Easy experiment - what about yogurt culture >Michael and List > >This idea sounds very interesting. I'm not sure if a simple observation >would tell you whether or not any "good" microbes were being >"eliminated" or "killed" within the yogurt culture...is rancid yogurt a >sign of "dead" microbe culture??? > >BUT, what this thread does elude to is finding out whether or not you >actually "kill" microbes or merely "revert" or "convert" the "bad" ones >into "good" ones (possibly by the observation of sustained culture life >in the yogurt for a prolonged period of time). It would at least point >to a possible conclusion that CS does not "kill" "good" microbes. > >I am not on an experimental track at the moment, but if anyone tries >this, please post to the list! > >Kris > >> -- >> From: Michael C Slivinski[SMTP:sunbr...@mymail.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:18 AM >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: Easy experiment - what about yogurt culture >> >> Regarding curdle milk... wondering if an experiment with cs and yogurt >> culture >> would do/look the same. This would raise or show some concerns about >> how cs >> works >> on helpful culture in our gullet seems like you tanking cs and >> yogurt and >> alternating back and forth that hopefully you get out the bad ... >> replenish >> the good and still get the cs into the system to continue the good >> work. >> Any further thoughts here??? Thanks michael slivinski >> >> >> >I'm sure this has been done a dozen times already on the list but >> just >> >for fun I took 2 double shot glasses and filled them both with milk >> that >> >was about to expire. To one glass I added one eyedropper full of CS. >> >Homemade and of unknown concentration but a nice golden yellow. I put >> >both glasses side by side on top of the nice warm refrigerator. In >> about >> >36 hours the untreated milk had curdled in a most disgusting fashion >> >while the CS treated milk looked just as it did when first poured. As >> a >> >final test, and to get an unbiased opinion, I put both glasses on the >> >floor where the family cat promptly lapped up the CS milk and ran >> like >> >hell from the curdled stuff. >> > >> >I know most folks on this list don't need any convincing but if >> you're >> >looking for a cheap, easy way to demo the reality of the CS effect to >> >skeptical friends then this is pretty effective. >> > >> >Best to all, >> > >> >Doug >> > >> > >> >-- >> >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >> silver. >> > >> >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >> to: >> >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- >> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> > >> >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> > >> >List maintain
Re: American Cancer Society, FDA, AMA
Fellow listers, There has been some talk about the various alphabet organizations of health on the list. If anyone is interested, I would suggest you watch a video carried by Cinemax a few years ago entitled Hoxsey: Quacks Who Cure Cancer? It mainly deals with Hoxsey and his cure for cancer. As part of that investigation, the tape also deals extensively with the AMA, how and why it started, the sneaky things that they have done to eliminate the competition and on and on. If you think that the medical trade union has the primary goal of protecting your health, you owe it to yourself to watch this film. Whether you believe that the cure is legitimate or not, you will see things through different eyes after watching the video. It is done in a documentary fashion and points out both negative and positive points on everything that they investigate. As far as I know, the show aired only twice on Cinemax. Luckily I caught it on video tape. When you see the tape, you will realize what we would be up against in trying to prove to the AMA the usefulness of CS. Vern -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Okay! Back to solar energy...
Mike, Thanks for the tutorial. It's a good thing it isn't rocket science since I'm still struggling to get the solder joints to hold on most things. Really simple is really good if you know what I mean. Anyhow, I have a few fond memories of misc.survivalism. They can be a tough crowd. Nice folks, but a few with big heads and problems with being wrong. I have a couple of zip disks full of info I have gotten over there from the rest of them. Thanks for the good info. Vern -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 9:02 AM Subject: Okay! Back to solar energy... Sizing a photovoltaic array to the task isn't rocket science, but there can be subtleties. I'm not an expert, but I can describe one simple approach. So there's a *really* simple setup. It takes a lot of manual operation and depends on you to protect the batteries from over charging. You'd have to experiment a bit to know for sure what's going on, but it would probably work okay just as is... There are a ton of resources for this sort of thing. I bet we've got a few people ready to jump in and fill us in. Also the folks on misc.survivalism would be full of advice on where to look. Just don't tell'em you want to make CS! They have a bit of prejudice over there about that. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: test
Hey I haven't even studied for it. I don't want no stinking test. -Original Message- From: Cisco To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 8:04 AM Subject: Re: test >TJ, > >Exactly what kind of test was this, was a placebo utilized and were the >results certifedif you dont post the entire test will will be forced >to ignore such tests in the futureHUMOR!>> > >Cisco > > >tj garland wrote: >> >> test >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: The MODERATOR checks in...
Gee Mike and gang, Little old me didn't realize that by posting the address of a company selling a small solar panel, I would set off world war III. Oops. Well, I was only trying to offer someone a cheap solar panel that I had found and thought would charge a few rechargeable batteries. I'm not an EE, but I still think it would work too. But then I'm only using a little 36 V. dc. CS generator, and I only run it once a week or so, therefore I don't need much power and I don't need it quickly. Cisco, I wouldn't know what to do with 15 gals a week. One of my little rechargeable 9 volts says to charge at 11-20 MA for 16 hours. So would the little solar panel of 12 V, 166 ma, 2 W. work Or would I need 2 or 3 of them? Now I'm really confused. Vern -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; ca...@erienet.net Date: Monday, May 25, 1998 4:05 PM Subject: The MODERATOR checks in... On 25 May 98 at 14:25, Carl wrote: > Observation:It seems to me that the "$450" solar panel was to > recharge the batteries and not to directly make the silver from the > energy from the panels but rather make the silver using the > batteries that where charged from the panels > > But I could be wrong... And indeed, I'd like to point out that a "personal size" solar CS system could be made very nicely with a (few) $20 panel(s), gel cell batteries and a charging circuit. Such observation made entirely *without* resort to self aggrandizing attacks upon the person of any other member of the list. > A comment:Could both of you boys take your pissing contest off > line No need, Carl. The offending half of the pissing contest is off-line. The offended half is calming down, I hope! Darryll has been unsubscribed and blocked. I must apologize to the list in general and in particular Cisco and those with comments about "dead" water, for subjecting you all to a second and third round with him, but it seemed there was hope for a while there and I left him alone while we discussed things in private e-mail. A regrettable case. Darryll has more to offer the list than was visible on the surface (based on e-mail). However he couldn't resist "correcting" the intellectual content of the list to his own standards before taking part. I hardly think we rate an attack by the alt.synax.tactical crew, but this surely was a bizarre thing to watch. Every time I sought even a minor concession from him he'd change the subject. In any case, let me be clear what happened: This individual made *attacks* against other members of the list, ridiculing ideas that he disagreed with and the people who offered them. This will stifle discussion more than any other sort of behavior. We have diverse opinions represented on the silver-list. Whether you are skeptical of "alternative gibberish" or suspicious of "mainstream tyranny" others have the right to their opinions. I will not stop anyone from offering their views if they're civil about it. I only ask that, if it isn't central to colloidal silver, we stay polite with one another and agree to disagree. This episode points up the need for me to write out the mission and rules for the list so that they can go out to new arrivals and be reposted periodically. Darryll might have known to change his strategy before egos got inflamed. Or not! Who knows? Thanks for your patience and cooperation, everyone. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list moderator [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: American Cancer Society
I had and may still have a paper for a cure that was signed and endorsed by the then 12 directors of the AMA. The cure was by a gentleman named Hoxey. When he refused to let AMA set the price structure, AMA retracted their endorsement and kicked him out of the USA. My dad lived about an extra 40 years after he was supposed to be dead. He beat cancer 3 separate times. The cure is out there my friends, but it is difficult to wade through all of the junk. The internet may help us to change the monopoly on medicine. After reading some of the other mail that followed, I decided to add this to keep from starting another war. I really don't think that the average doctor is part of the bigger medical monster that tries to keep us in the dark regarding our health. Most physicians that I know started with a desire to help people. While some are very indoctrinated in the currently acceptable medical babble, others are seeking the answers just as we are. My disgust is with the powers that be that seek to make a profit from our pain and suffering. Strangely, where money is involved, men lose their Altruistic ideals in short order. I don't know the exact figure, but we are talking Billions of dollars that are at risk here for the American medical machine. I read somewhere that if all Cancer could be cured tomorrow, 50% of all doctors would be out of a job. How many times do we hear of a promising new treatment, and then it is never heard of again. The question isn't does suppression of treatment occur, but rather is to what extent does it occur and can we change that. I think we can, and I think it will be through the free exchange of ideas just like we are now doing. The real bummer, as I stated before, is wading through all of the garbage that equally corrupt people are trying to sell us. Vern -Original Message- From: Cisco To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 9:16 AM Subject: Re: American Cancer Society >YO! > >What has changed with these people in 100 years.CUT/POISON/BURN and >get paid better than most people on the planet.HHH I need a new >occupation! The fact is that of 1000 people who go to them 50% die in >the first 5 years.and of the balance only 5 percent survive another >5 years.he lets give them more money to kill peopleHAR! HUMOR, I >dont buy into itI have seen it happen and we have a new CANCER >CLINIC open on island110,000 people and we have a 4 million dollar >clinic on Guam.I am impressednice parking lot they are expecting >lots of people230 spaces. > >Cisco > > > >Susan M. Yensen wrote: >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Using Solar to Make CS
Nancy, Here's a company that sells a fairly cheap solar panel that puts out 12 V, 166 ma. I don't know if 3 would put out enough juice to run your machine or not, but they are about $20.00 each. Let us know if you try it and it works. http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/892105184.47/wired/26325.html -Original Message- From: Nancy B. To: Silver-List Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 4:32 PM Subject: Using Solar to Make CS >Repost: did this go through the first time? I haven't seen it. > >Colloidal silver made with solar energy > >Has this topic come up before? I'd like to know how feasible it would be to >convert a 27 volt battery powered or 24 ac to dc powered CS generator to >solar (perhaps interchangeable). I use the simple homemade generator with >two silver wires attached to the electric source (a 24 volt ac to dc >generator concealed in a plastic box) by alligator clips and wire, with an >external light bulb I ignore most of the time. > >I know Radio Shack sells little solar gizmos but how much voltage can you >get out of them? > >Is it feasible to make colloidal silver this way in the event of a black out >(for whatever reason: you ran out of batteries, ran into hurricanes, >tornadoes, Y2Ks, you didn't pay your electric bill, you ran away,...) ÜÜÜ > >I really don't want to be without this stuff for more than a few days at a >time. I like it so much better than antibiotics, and it may be the only >thing that works if the antibiotic crisis (bacterial resistance) continues >as it has been. > >Sincerely, >Nancy > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and digestive bacteria
Frank, I've had that problem when taking CS orally. I just take a capsule or two of Acidophilus (8 Billion count each) daily. I get 120 caps for about 13.75 American, so it works out to about 11 to 22 cents per day depending on how much I take. I also eat yogurt regularly. Vern -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 6:28 PM Subject: CS and digestive bacteria >There has been some talk of taking oral CS may disrupt the good bacteria >we all have in our digestive systems. > >Now that I'll be taking CS fairly regularly I figured that to counteract >any decline in the good bugs, that I would counteract by eating some >live yoghurt every day. Also there recently came on the market here in >South Australia a product called Yakult which has live Lactobacillus >casei Shirota strain. I have no idea how good this stuff is but if you >believe the brochures it is just the stuff for re establishing a healthy >intestinal population. > >Any thoughts on the my "theory" ? > >Also do we have any expert yoghurt makers out there? This Yakult stuff >is about 70c for a small daily dose bottle (30 mls) and if anybody is >familiar with it or it's making I'd like to try to "cultivate" my own. > >Thanks in advance. > >Regards...Frank > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray / hair
Bill, Never thought of that. If you try the CS, let us know if it seems to work on mites. I developed a sensitivity to mites a few years back and itched nearly on a constant basis. I finally had to get rid of all the cloth surfaces in our house including the couch, drapes, carpet and recliners. When it came to the mattress and pillows, we used some of those dustproof/waterproof mattress and pillow cases. It worked and now I don't have any problems at all. It also helps to wash your clothes and bedsheets in really hot water. Vern -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 1:38 PM Subject: Re: CS nasal spray / hair > Mites very likely rely upon bacteria and/or fungus for the > function of their digestive systems. Use of =sufficient= CS to > destroy this bacteria and/or fungus could thereby destroy the > mite's ability to live and feed in human pores and follicles -- > or pillows, mattresses, etc. > > Does anyone know a practical, proven way to stop mites from living > in pillows, pillow cases, mattresses, etc. (without removing and > boiling them) ? > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS/burns
Works great doesn't it? I wouldn't use anything else. Vern. -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 9:05 AM Subject: Re: CS/burns >Hi All, > Some time back I had read here that someone used CS on sunburn?? I >burned my face last friday(worse than first degree) and it was too late >to call docs so I put some CS in a mister and kept spraying the burned >area,(mouth, nose and surrounding) for two hours+, kept it wet with CS, >any slack and the pain was pretty bad. By bedtime it was not too >uncomfortable to sleep) It never formed blisters and today you cannot >tell(unless you are very close) and the numbness in the lip is going >away. Just wanted to let any know that had missed the original post. Had >I not read it here, I would not have tried this on myself. Thanks >whoever that was. Deb >-- > > > Debbie McDonald > > mailto:lullw...@flash.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray / hair
Would this work? I recall reading that CS kills simple, single cell organisms, but not complex organisms. I don't think that CS would help with mites, but would certainly kill bacteria in the pores or on your pillow. -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 3:57 PM Subject: Re: CS nasal spray / hair > > 5-21-98, NCOAMA wrote: > > > > i havn't used it in my nose for very long but i have put > > it on my head for nearly two years. my scalp is still > > flesh color and my hair is much younger looking (even > > the new hair that the cs grew) > > > This makes sense, considering the theory that hair-loss is > infectious in nature, (usually?) due to fungus or mites living > in the hair follicles. > > There was a news-slot on CBS channel 2, around six weeks ago, > regarding the purported discovery of the root-cause of hair loss. > I missed it, but I saw the two-second preview shot -- of a > wiggly mite, somehow clearly filmed in a hair follicle. > > Does anyone have more info ? I tried looking on their web > page: www.channel2000.com , but there was nothing there, at > that time. > > There was a special on PBS TV (Nova ?) on mites earlier this > year. The largest mites (in humans) are found in the eye-lash > follicles, and they are found in pores and follicles everywhere > on the body -- unless you take peroxide baths often, I guess. > > Or colloidal silver baths... Yes, a CS hair rinse makes sense. > > CS in the washing machine might make sense, also, since mites > live in clothing and bedding -- where ever there's (dead) human > skin flakes (or dandruff). Pillows and mattresses are the most > mite- populated places. Would a CS pillow- spray work ? > > Dust mites, naturally, live on dust, but most dust is purported > to be human skin flakes. 'Mite control' is important for those > with allergies and asthma, since mites (and mite feces) are a > MAJOR allergy trigger. > > > --Bill > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: URINE PH
Cisco, What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not seen any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have read. I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and would hate to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people and let them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate any info that you could provide to me. Vern -Original Message- From: Cisco To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM Subject: Re: URINE PH >Joe and Jim and Listers, > >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
-Original Message- From: Darryl Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 9:04 PM Subject: Re: nutrients > > >> >>Darryl, >You are harsh! > >But am I factual is a better question? > >Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not >discriminate between > " good and bad " bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like >pathogenic and non pathogenic. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that CS is NOT an antibiotic. If I am not mistaken, antibiotics generally come from mold and bacteria. I'm not sure how you would classify CS, maybe antibiotic-like. More likely is that CS is in another class altogether. Antibiotics kill bacteria only. Apparently, CS can kill bacteria, virus, and any simple, single cell organism. > >How are we " made up of bacteria " ?... I have never heard of that before? > We may not be made up of bacteria, but no doubt bacteria are vital to our life processes. Bacteria are present in our mouths, on our skin, and in our digestive tracts to name a few. Lactobacillus Acidophilus, and Bifidobacterium Bifidum are a few that I take daily to keep my digestion functioning properly. And yes I can tell you from experience, you can kill off the good bacteria with CS. I use it sparingly, internally because it tends to mess up my digestion. By adding Acidophilus/Bifidum back to the system, I can counteract the effect somewhat. Others don't seem to have this problem and I really don't know why. Just a side note, in the absence of the proper intestinal floura, candida yeast can take over and make you pretty sick. I'm fighting something along this order right now I think. As for the whole argument about whether to apply CS to the soil, I think the truth lies somewhere between both opinions expressed. I see that CS could be useful to kill molds, fungus and etc., and I can also see that CS could ultimately cause some problems for the soil. It is bacteria that converts dead organisms into plant and animal usable molecules. Bacteria is also apparently responsible for nitrogen-fixing. To quote my trusty World Book Encyclopedia, "Without these bacteria, the soil and water would soon become poor in nitrogen, and all plants and animals would die." -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Finally - My first attempt ! How did I do ?
Frank, I haven't had much success with just rubbing the CS in topically. What usually works is to saturate something with CS and leave it in contact with the infected sight for some time. Cold sores get about 10 min. and other nastier infections get overnight or several days. I would think that with Mastitis, you would want the CS in contact at least overnight. -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 8:59 AM Subject: Finally - My first attempt ! How did I do ? >Well, after lurking for ages and humming and hahing, I finally got around to >making not only the generator but a first batch ! Tonight. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
-Original Message- From: Darryl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:32 AM Subject: Re: nutrients > > > > >>Darryl, >You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb >here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is >the >way you go about it that causes the problem. You may have noticed that I pointed out that you make some good points. I guess it bugs me a bit to see someone trying to contribute something and their ideas are called dumb and ignorant. The person who contributed this experience (Cisco) has had some good information for some of us. Maybe the idea of using CS in the irigation is not one of the best ideas, but hardly dumb or ignorant. People here are experimenting and learning. Some things work and some don't. I'm not opposed to pointing out error. >I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose >credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ I do. Don't you also think we lose credibility if we forgoe common courtesy in our discourse? >facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the >information as " facts" ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big >error in accepting those " facts " and implementing them, C/S would >suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case >was not put up forcefully enough! Forcefully yes, rudely no. The quickest way to send a bunch of people packing from a discussion is to let it deteriate into name calling and bashing. "Your idea is incorrect" is forcefull, "Your idea is stupid" is rude. >Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts >before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of >knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would >prefer niceties to truth. >Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. I was not interested in doing either. > >Darryyl > > > >. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: ME AGAIN
Mike, For me, it is a good level handful of vitamins Darn thing is that I just keep finding good things to add, but when I consider how much improved my health is with the vitamins, it is worth it. I sound a bit like that old shaver commercial"I liked the vitamins so well, I bought the store!!!" Take care. Vern -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 9:59 AM Subject: Re: ME AGAIN I'll be the first to admit that was the first place I ever heard about this concept. But I've seen other items from government and medical nutrition sources as well. I also can't deny that I feel a *lot* better when taking a good vitamin and mineral supplement. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
Darryl, You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is the way you go about it that causes the problem. -Original Message- From: Darryl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 2:36 AM Subject: Re: nutrients > >Whoa back Cisco >Since I subscribed to the silver list this is about the dumbest thing I >have read. >another contributor but what can anyone gain here from "nutty" >contributions, based on good intentions and totally ignorant science??? >Darryyll > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Blood/brain barrier -- GOOD QUESTION!!
Well you are probably right about toxins in cologne, but I don't think that is exactly what causes it to be able to strip paint. You might have seen the newer citrus paint strippers. They work pretty well and I don't think that you would consider citrus a toxin. In cologne, I would just guess that it is the alcohol that does the work on the paint. On the issue of Alzheimer's, I read something the other day that they were beginning to suspect Selenium may play a role. Great, I've only been taking a selenium supplement for about 20 years or so. Or was that 2 years.. Vern -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Blood/brain barrier -- GOOD QUESTION!! > Lyme disease was also found in the brains of alzhiemers patients. >Also you want to see something interesting! Put some cologne on a >painted surface and see what it does to the paint. There's enough >toxins in some of them to remove paint. >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: ME AGAIN
Darryl, I have not seen anything that suggests plants are without nutrient, but I have read several papers that suggest that various levels of nutrients are on the decrease. Off the top of my head, I remember reading that selenium levels in cantaloupe (maybe?!) was about 1/50th that of those tested 40 or so years ago. I do not know how accurate the numbers are, but the whole idea was that chemical application is somehow robbing the soil of things that would be replenished with natural fertilizers and such. Of course, a whole bunch of this literature is pushed by those who are selling mineral supplements, so I really don't know what to think. I like the idea of drinking distilled water, and in fact got an almost new distiller at auction for 5 bucks!! I would however, like to see some kind of research before I start drinking just distilled water. I think I'll start with that book by Dr. Banik if I can find it. Thanks for the info. Vern -Original Message- From: Darryl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 2:51 PM Subject: Fw: ME AGAIN >We don't eat the soil we eat the plants, I have seen nothing that suggests >yet that plants are somehow without nutrient ?? In any case where are >barren soils producing plants? Or conversely what is wrong with adding some >organic nutrients say worm casts made from your kitchen scraps to your >soil if you are growing your own, or only buying certified organic produce. >Get you nutrients from the plants in their organic form, and dump the >toxins your liver rejects into a water such as pure water [ ie distilled ] >able to uptake and rid your body of the rejected stuff. >Darryyll > > > > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!!
I can't find that particular LANCET, but if someone else finds a copy, I would like to see it or the text of it anyway. This is the kind of stuff I've found. What Not to Do if Bitten by a Venomous Snake (snipped all but this one) 9. Do not use a stun gun or electric shock of any kind from http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.htm -Original Message- From: Douglas McMurtrie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!! >lines of the Bob Beck blood purifing machine. Interestingly, there is a >reference to this specific issue given in the "Explore" article about >Beck's work. So at the end I still can't tell you whether it works or >not but it is at least something more than just an old wives' tale. >Maybe someone can retrieve the original "Lancet" article and any other >relevant references pro and con. Cisco, given the abundance of nasty -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Helpfull folks.
Thank you to all of you who responded to my question about dying teeth. I didn't mean to send the question to the whole list, but I'm glad that I did since I got several other responses. Much food for thought from a lot of nice folks. Vern -Original Message- From: mbgu...@julian.uwo.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Abscessed tooth >You may want to try Dr. Beck's Magnetic Pulser. Its great to get rid of >bacteria in places like tooth roots and lymph nodes etc. > >Chris Gupta > >At 05:29 PM 5/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Hello: I am no dentist, but I did publish patient educational audio/visual >>materials in the dental field, and hence spent quite a bit of time with >>dentists. Add to that the fact that my teeth were wrecked by the time I was >>15 years old (no care), and I do know a bit about teeth. First of all, teeth >>are generally lost because of periodontal disease, which destroys the bone, >>loosens the tooth, and eventually it is lost. A nerve dying does not in >>itself signify loss of the tooth - I have a mouth full of dead teeth which >>work just fine (and no tooth ache!). Abscess is a threat, but antibiotics >>can help control this and the body can usually defeat the infection which is >>what an abscess is. After that it settles down. >> >>I am using CS nightly rinse, and it is controlling my periodontal problem, >>and my mouth is extremely comfortable - no pink tooth brush, and the placque >>has just disappeared (placque is caused by bacteria, and the CS takes good >>care of that). >> >>Hope these thoughts help. >> >>God Bless! >> >>Dean >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jade [mailto:intel...@itis.com] >>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 11:57 AM >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Subject: Re: Abscessed tooth >> >>At 01:36 AM 5/14/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >> I was wondering if you know of anything that I >>>might do to keep the nerves from dying. >> >>Hi Vern, >> >> Right now, Claire Gilbert & I are involuntary experts on unhappy teeth. >> >> Both of us are using 'Under the Gum', an herbal mixture that is used in a >>waterpik device. It's from the Dental Herb Co, 1-800-747-4372, in >>Northampton, MA. I've just used it twice, so I can't comment much, except >>to say I like it. >> >> Viktoras Kulvinskas, Survival in the 21st Century, was the only helpful >>information I could find. He advocates using alkaline paste or seasalt for >>brushing. Seawater or grass juice, & zone therapy in the knuckles of >>fingers & toes will relieve a toothache. >> >> To keep the tooth, he recommends reducing the acid condition of the body. >>Use several enemas during the day (I've been finding colonics VERY >>helpful). Eat alkaline juices, sprouts, sesame seed & sea vegetables. I >>mostly eat fruits & vegetables, but I concentrated on taking chlorophyll, >>barley grass powder, beet powder, & wheat grass. >> >> I have an infection, so I've been using the zapper; I also had one >>occasion to use it as a TENS type device to reduce the pain. Spot magnets >>will aid circulation, healing & pain relief. >> >> I also been using lots of bee pollen, with all the B vitamins. B's are for >>the nerves, so it seemed logical, as well as lots of organic cheese. Claire >>uses raw, unprocessed honey on her gums. >> >> Basically, I would reduce any demands on your body--stress, toxins, >>pollutants and increase all nutritive avenues--extra rest, power foods, >>lots of purified water. >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com
Re: other electrode
Might cure you of life. -Original Message- From: Marsha To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 8:26 AM Subject: Re: other electrode > >Dear Pete, Whoa! Sounds like you may be getting Colloidal Stainless Steel!!! >Wonder what that might cure? :o) >Marsha > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!!
As I understand it, the stun gun approach has been disproved. Some local guy tried the approach for a rattlesnake bite and nearly killed himself. Apparently, from what I have read, the approach is more folk tale than cure. -Original Message- From: Douglas McMurtrie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!! >First, the disclaimer, I am not an MD and I offer this as food for >thought only. I tend to agree with Cisco's comments below. Because of >the rapid onset, this sounds more like like a poisonous bite followed by >a toxic shock than a disease process. If it is a venom based problem, I >wonder if an electrolytic protocol might help. I know that electrolysis >of the protein that makes up rattlesnake venom has been a successful >technique in use for a long time. What I don't know is how long after >the bite has been sustained is this method good for. Has anyone here any >personal experience with this. An earlier post mentions the use of a >stun gun on the bite of a brown recluse. Perhaps the Bob Beck device >might be of some use here. Does anyone have one that they might be able >to FED-X to the girl's mother. I doubt it would do the child any harm >and if it could break down the venom as it circulates in the blood >stream then maybe the child gets some relief. Sounds to me like time is >of the essence. > >Best of luck and God's blessings to you Mother. I hope all turns out >well. > >Doug. > >Cisco wrote: >> >> Robert, >> >> We have things in the tropics which rival this type of syndrome or >> affliction. But one must know the type if venom. Lyme does not react >> this fast. A combined allergic reaction to a venom as well as the toxic >> nature of a venom will create problems even the best toxicologist can >> not deal with. >> >> You have few things to do...the antibiotics are a waste of time in these >> circumstances for the initial toxin responces.this is not an >> antibody situation it is a toxic disorder. Unless you have an idea of >> the nature of the bite you have only two ways to proceed. One is to >> clean and clear the area, the other is to get to a venom specialists and >> FAST. The description you have stated is a neurotoxin and is very >> deadly, resultant infections and alergies will create a deadly composit >> of problems. >> >> Until you can identify the crisisit aint good. Best you can do is >> get the liver clear and keep it workingif it fails from the toxic >> killoff and the levels of cellular decay your lost. The system must >> remain hydrated and one must utilize major quantities of natural acids >> in the intake. This will cause the system to go alkaline this will help >> with the body dealing with the poison. IF the brain is affected I have >> nothing to help you with.several snakes here carry a NT and it only >> causes the heart problems to keep tryingcold but true. FIND what bit >> herthen you have a weapon.till thenyour in the dark. >> >> Gods Speed to you all.. >> >> Cisco >> >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Making own colloidal silver
Hi Jim, I saw your post on using CS for an abscessed tooth and it got me to wondering. The nerves to my two front teeth are dying thanks to an assault by a couple of street thugs. I was wondering if you know of anything that I might do to keep the nerves from dying. The dentist said that right now the nerves are functioning as normal, but that on the x-ray they are black and probably dying. They tend to "ping" a bit and hurt some. I don't know if you have any knowledge or reference material on teeth, but I thought that I would ask since you seem to have many answers for some of our questions. Thanks, Vern. -Original Message- From: jein...@troi.csw.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 4:33 AM Subject: Re: Making own colloidal silver . The main thing I have seen results with are my teeth. I do have trouble with my teeth, and from time to time I get one that abcesses on me. (have one right now giving me trouble). I will take the CS in my mouth and swish it around until it gets body temp. and then hold it on the tooth. I will do this several times per day at about a tablespoon each time. I continue this until the tooth has stopped hurting, which takes different lengths of time depending on the tooth. It will generally stop the tooth from hurting in a day or 2, but after a few days of staying off the CS the tooth will start to hurt again, and I will hit it again until it stops. If I would continue taking it, the tooth would probably not hurt at all. I just get lazy and stop! I have had no side effects that I can tell, from my use of homemade CS. Hope this helps! Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Simplify?
Mike,
All I have ever used is low ppm solutions (3-5 ppm) of CS and I have had
great luck with it. It seems to me that if the area being treated is kept
moist with the CS solution, it works it's magic. I put some on a cold sore
for about 10 minutes with a q-tip and found it didn't quite knock the bugger
out, so I gave it a second application and today it is scabbed over and
healing. I can't speak for the higher ppm solutions, but I know that the
stuff I make seems to take care of all of the external stuff (cold sores,
diaper rash, viral warts, athletes foot, infections, stings, burns, and
etc.) I haven't messed with the higher ppm stuff just because the
manufacturer seems to think that anything above 6 ppm tends to clump
together and then you lose the effectiveness of the small particle size.
I see that you are fighting a sinus infection, have you tried using an
atomizer or fine spray bottle to get the CS up into the nasal passages? I
found a small bottle locally and had some success breathing CS through the
nose during my last sinus infection. I have to say that CS was no miracle
cure for the infection, but I think it slowed the thing down enough for my
body to beat it. Hope you beat the bug soon,
Vern
-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Simplify?
> M. G. Devour wrote:
> > The question I ask is, why do you need higher ppm? The silver will
> > get into your body as well from an ounce of 30 ppm as 3 oz of 10 ppm,
> > won't it?
Frank wrote:
>
> A reason some people might want to take higher ppms is related to
> the way in which they take their CS.
>
> If you are drinking it your point is quite right, but I seem to
> remember a recent post where someone said that they were taking
> theirs under the tongue ("sublingually") so that the CS didn't
> interfere with their intestinal flora.
I'm taking 3 ounces of approx. 12ppm cs twice a day to see if it will
knock out a sinus infection. I'm taking about half in each mouthful
and swishing it around in my mouth for a couple of minutes before
swallowing. (I know some people don't even swallow it.)
The first time I took this dose was Tuesday morning. With all the
talk here about detox, guess what happens? Within minutes I start to
come down with a *nasty* sinus headache which basically lasts all
day. I continue with the planned doseage anyway. Wednesday and today
I'm feeling better.
So it's working and I'm taking two mouthfuls per dose instead of one.
So I guess higher ppm would be more convenient. But so far it's
do-able this way.
I wonder if there's any difference for topical use? Does low vs
higher ppm matter when used externally? Anyone?
Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@mail.id.net ]
[Speaking only for myself... ]
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Re: Organ detox
I've heard of it Susan and sold some to people with arthritis. I can't say whether it was the Boswellan or the Glucosamine in the product that helped, but probably about 60-80 percent of those people have been repeat customers and have reported some relief from joint pain. I think I have an information brochure from the company around here somewhere if you would like me to scan a copy for you (no strings attached). Vern -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Organ detox >Hi, > >A bit off topic, but who has heard of/had experience with Boswellin. >Sounds to good to be true for a finicky imune system such as mine. Need >input. > >Doing a great job guys!!! > >Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer >Susan > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Pityriasis Rosea
Have you tried soaking a cotton pad or gauze with CS and keeping the rash wet for several days? I find that Cs works great on bacterial or viral infections that affect the skin. In fact I just killed another cold sore with it today. I had the same rash for about 4 years and it traveled around from my forearm to the back of my hand, around the palm and back up my hand and arm. I didn't know about CS at the time and so eventually I tanked up on vitamins, especially Vit. E and it went away. I don't know if it died a natural death or if the vitamins killed it. Give it a try, it couldn't hurt. -Original Message- From: Hermes, Kristofer J To: 'Silver List' Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 12:56 PM Subject: Pityriasis Rosea >Hello all > >Does anyone on this list have any experience with Pityriasis Rosea? >According to "Western Medicine," it is likely viral in nature (I'm not >sure if that is completely accurate, though). It looks like a skin rash >that, on occasion, itches. It lasts about 6-8 weeks, and there is no >known orthodox cure other than topical creams and UVB treatment which >are more likely to "suppress" rather than "heal." > >I was recently diagnosed with this "malady." I typically take a >maintenance dose of commercial 7ppm Colloidal Silver. I started taking >slightly more CS, but it has had little to no effect on the rash. I >don't think I can take the itching for 8 weeks. Should I be taking >substantially more CS? Are there any other alternative modalities out >there that have proven effective against this acute "disease?" > >Thanks in advance! > >Kris > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Blood & Urine pH testing help needed
Jim, I know that this doesn't directly deal with CS, but I would like to hear what herbs you use to detox the liver, colon, kidneys and so on. I saw your reply to Carl and I got to wondering what you have used. Thanks for sharing the info. Vern -Original Message- From: jein...@troi.csw.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Blood & Urine pH testing help needed > Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:37:28 -0400 > From: CJ > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Blood & Urine pH testing help needed > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Thanks Jim. > We need it to check out my father. He is undergoing a major detox due to some > heavy Rife sessions. > > > > As long as the pH range is good enough to test the full range you need to > > test. > > Don't really know at this point. The ranges listed on the bottle are as > follows: > > 6.4 6.8 7.2 7.5 7.8 8.4 > > My reference book of choice is Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary. It gives > the following values: > > Urine6.0 (4.7 - 8.0 seen in healthy individuals) > Blood 7.35 - 7.45 > > Received another suggestion to try pet stores for supplies. Makes sense to me > as I used to run fresh water fish tanks, and did test for pH, among other > things, as I kept cichlids. > > Thanks for your response, > Carl > Carl, The Blood pH listed above is correct, but the urine pH is not. The urine pH and the saliva pH should be between 6.4 to 6.6 with 6.4 being perfect. 6.0 would be too acid. Another suggestion. Take a urine sample in a clear bottle, and shine a light through it, the cloudier it is the better the body is getting rid of toxins. If you are giving Rife treatments and his urine is clear, you have a problem and need to give him detox herbs, but if his urine is cloudy then the body is cooperating. Also, it would be a good idea to give him a coffee enema every day, plus give him herbs to flush the liver, kidneys, colon, etc. It is very important to detox a person when using anything to kill off problems in the body, especially cancer. Hope this helps! God Bless you! Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Susan, Thanks for the information. If you do get that article back, I would love a copy of it. Thanks again. Vern -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 2:10 AM Subject: Re: insight/herx >>Susan, >> >>Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't >>seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested >>to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, >>Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida >>infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that >>has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would >>appreciate any info that you could provide. >> >>Vern >> >Vern, > >I had the article and sent it with a friend so she would understand what I >am saying to her. It has a good bibliogralphy for you. I will see if I >can get it back from her and post it for you. > >Megazymes by Enzymatic tharapy are good for me b/c I can tolerate them >whereas others I cannot that is why I say this brand. > >It is Pancreatic enzymes (10X) 325 mg (full strength undiluted and uncut) >Units of activity* >Protease 96,580 >Amylase 98,780 >Lip[ase 24,496 >Trypsin75 mg >papain 50mg >bromelain (1.200 M.C.U.) 50 mg >amylase 10 mg >lipase 10 mg >lysozyme 100 mg >chymotrypsin 2mg > >About Candida, you can eradicate it with CS done slowly and carefully >according to your health state. WHen a single celled organism, or parasite >or the spirochete of which we read so much dies, it's death releases a >toxin that was inside the organism heretofor. So when [people get treated >for Candida and are not properlu educated about the Jarisch Herxheiomer >reaction--the body'e reaction to the toxin released at the death of the >organism, oftentimes they feel worse and stop taking the medication and may >say they are allergic or whatever b/c we don't get the same thing painfiul >reactions with antibiotic therapy for common micro organisms. As a matter >of fact many doctors don't understand this. > >Funguses are very different creatures docs in 3rd world countries are the >best at recognizing these things and treating them. Although we are >catching up. Funguses have the ability to change forms according to their >replication cycle and unless you are in this cycle they will not be found >in the blood, they can be budding yeast which looks like cottage cheese or >mycelia which can travel from organ to organ with out the use of the >vascular system. When you are in this replication cycle you feel worse and >crave sweets or fermented things. The yeast need more carbohydrate to >live. Yeast Canndida and monilia are basically the same for the purpose of >this post. > >What the enzyme does ON AN EMPTY STOMACH is get readily absorbed into the >bloodstream and "eat up 'the toxins released by the dying fungi or >spirochete. It is a good add on for treatment of Candida but will not kill >candida. It will alleviate the pain as do the other things I delineated in >a previous post. > >Now, the article had several subtitles and said in effect that in studies >done--double blind no less that it has been found that they relieve the >pain of inflammation better that then ensaids so commonly prescribed which >are poison to me. > >They also discovered a use for these in autoimmune disease like MS and so >forth is that they discovereed that the enzymes will also eliminate >circulating immune complexes. this is important for peopole like me for >instance b/c the immune complexes I have are anti myelin ones and attack >the lining of the nerves and it is painful process. > >Also good in allergies for precisely the same thing they will digest >allergens, reduce swelling (anti inflammation effect) tThe anti >inflammation effect is accomplished as the enzymes soften and digest the >fibrin and other substance and catecholamines in the infalammatory >reaction, including arachidonic acid which is the culprit that causes pain. > >So It may be a while before I can get that bibliography up b/c I can't >leave the mountain just now and I will have to get her to bring it to me. > >These also aid in digestion taken with food. Many people have >malabsorption problems once things are set into motion of being a disease >that is multi organ. Leaky gut syndrome needs to be addresed in you rfriend >proabably after a long siege of intractable Candida. There is a special >diet for that too. It is an ordeal but it can be done. > >Hope this answers your question for now. > >Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer >Susan > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Li
Re: insight/herx
I don't know what the cause of the original poster's twitches were, but sometimes the twitches can be from a lack of calcium and magnesium. This works wonders for some people. It can even help some people with restless legs. Worked for me. -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 9:31 PM Subject: Re: insight/herx >>Oh Yeah, The twitches in you muscles, I have them to but they are finally >>subsiding, hopefully to be gone for good soon. Hang in there. When Marsha >>gets back she can offer her story to and If Candace reads this she is a good >>testimomial. >>Always here, >>Donna > >I hate to be the barrer of bad tidings but the twitches are caused >by the nurves short circuiting and it takes one year for a nurve to heal. >The twitching subsiding is good but don't expect it to quit real soon. >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight/herx
Susan, Tell me some more about these digestive enzymes that you take. I haven't seen a thing about them cleaning out toxins and such and would be interested to read anything that you could direct me toward. Are they Papaya, Bromelain, and the like? I didn't quite follow the part about the candida infections. Does the enzyme combat candida infection? I have a friend that has a systemic candida infection and he can't seem to beat it. I would appreciate any info that you could provide. Vern -Original Message- From: Susan M. Yensen To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 7:39 PM Subject: Re: insight/herx >Cathryn, > >I use: >Digestive enzymes on an empty stomack--they go through the body and "eat >up" trash like toxins and immune complexes--this is well documented now. I >have done this for ten years--that's how many times I have had herx for >Candida and whatever else. I take Mega Zyme by Enzymatic Therapy and 5 at >once then 20-30 mins later 5 more. This WILL diminish your muscle pain and >the twitching. You can continue until relieved, or sick to your stomach. >The enzymes have worked as well or better than morphine. >Susan > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: re-garding collodial silver, copper,?
I sure would not try this unless I was in a pinch. "." is a measure of silvers purity, but 90 percent silver coinage tells you little about the 10% that isn't silver. Remember, things that might be acceptable in a coin, may not be healthy in your body. Coins are cast with no particular attention given to the fact that someone may ingest them. :-) Think along the lines of surgical or food grade quality when putting things in your body. If someone gave you a pill that they said was 90% vitamin C, wouldn't you want to know what the other 10% was before you took the pill. I think natural and folk medicine is great, but be wary, there is a line that is crossed that just doesn't make good sense (at least to me). Be careful of the "more is better" thinking. Colloidal silver is fine and appears to have at least some antidotal and research evidence to support it's use. All these other colloids, I am just not sure about. Somebody, somewhere will start selling colloidal uranium, and the bad thing is that people will beat a path to his/her door to buy it. -Original Message- From: Michael C Slivinski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 8:16 PM Subject: re-garding collodial silver, copper,? >Just for some stimulation of thoughts here, >in perception magazine they had 2 articles on making your own cs, >the author did mention using pure 999 silver, but also mentioned one >could try using silver coins which are 90 % pure silver and copper and >one other metal (not nickle) and said copper is a benifit also. >So wondering if using silver coins might not be good to have with >these other items being made. they also made mention that some >collodial mineral water had in it's list of minerals arsenic, and commented >it interesting to have a poison mineral there and mentioned one other >type of mineral that is known as a poison but in collodial form might >not be harmful in small ppm. maybe it might be positive. >Just thoughts >mike slivinski > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: questions to the Kirlian engineer !?
No doubt the pictures captures some sort of electrical/magnetic/light "aura", which is mildly interesting. The problem comes in trying to interpret what the color bands might mean. Several things in the photography and development could affect color, so any interpretation of that color is just a stab in the dark. I have not seen these booths, but I know Kirlean Photography was popular years ago in the Psych circles and never gained any serious respect. Save your money, this stuff is closer to slight of hand than science. . -Original Message- From: Douglas Haack To: Mike Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 6:31 PM Subject: Re: questions to the Kirlian engineer !? >List/eners, some time ago I went to the Sydney Spirit Festival (the >exact name escapes me) and I tried the following little experiment. I >had my photo taken by some gadget they spruked as being able to capture >/ photograph my aura. > >After the first shot which is a polaroid print of a colourful but hazy >scene, I went back and paid my 10 bucks again some 30 minutes later and >had my shot/aura taken again. > >The first pic was in the yellow and green range and the second pic was >in the blue red range. Two totally different looking pics of the same >person within 30 minutes. > >As far as I'm concerned these cameras at these fairs and shows are >fraudulent as my experiment showed that an aura could not change so >dramatically without some dramatic disruption or change to the physche >or emotions etc etc. > >Douglas Haack, Sydney Oz > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: source for brown glass bottles
Try a package/container store if you have one near. I think I spend about $.13-$.20 (that's cents) per 8 oz. brown bottle and cap. -Original Message- From: Fred Walter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 3:27 PM Subject: CS: source for brown glass bottles >None of my local pharmacies have glass bottles any more >(let alone brown glass bottles). > >Bob Beck's paper suggests using prune juice bottles. So I went out and bought >three bottles of prune juice. (Vile stuff. How can people drink it?) > >Then, while I was at my local University's chemistry supply store, >I found out that they sell brown glass bottles, of the right size, >really cheaply. (And they don't contain this really vile prune juice >that, because you paid a lot for it, you feel you should drink :-) > >So if you are looking for a source for brown glass bottles, and you have >a University nearby that has a chemistry department, it will likely have >a chemistry store (to supply their students/researchers with glassware/etc) >that has these items. > > fred > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Thanks Fred, So are you using one of these devices? I see posts from time to time about the Bare-Rife, but with all of the stuff out there in the health field, I have not paid as much attention as maybe I should. I'm also a bit suspicious until I see something work or know of someone that it has worked on. What exactly are we talking about here, light waves, radio waves, sound waves? What kind of results have you witnessed yourself? -Original Message- From: Fred Walter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 7:47 PM Subject: Re: insight >>From: "It's not me" >>>From: Fred Walter >>>>Some people with Fibromyalgia have gotten symptom relief from using >>>>a Bare-Rife device. The details are somewhere at >>>> http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare >>I can't seem to find the references to Fibromyalgia a the sight you list. >>Was the info in testimonial form or based on some research? > >Testimonial. The information is there, you just have to dig a bit. Try: > http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare/rife_bare6b.html > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Cs for Arthritis
Jerry Karl, I don't know if CS would help, but have you tried Glucosamine, Chondroitan, Boswellan, Sea Cucumber. These are a couple that are real popular right now and people swear that they are helping. I have sold the stuff to a couple of dozen people and all of them are still using it and claim it is the most relief that they have gotten. I have not tried it myself, as most of my pain is not from arthritis. By the way this isn't a commercial, so I hope you won't take it that way. By selling supplements, I get to hear feedback from people as to what is working for various illnesses. If you try one of the above, especially Glucosamine, I guess that you should try it for at least 2 months before giving up, although most that I have talked to started noticing some difference after about 2-3 weeks. Hope that you find some relief. -Original Message- From: Jerome Karl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 4:31 PM Subject: Cs for Arthritis >I've been on this list for about 2 months and I don't remember if CS for >Arthritis has been discussed. >Will it help?? I've already had both knees replaced because of arthritis >and >now I'm getting it in two of my fingers. I know it's not carpal tunnel or >just >muscle soreness. One of my fingers has already become twisted - about >a year ago and now it's happening again to more. >Will CS help or would it be a waste of time. >Please help, >Jerry Karl > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Fred, I can't seem to find the references to Fibromyalgia a the sight you list. Was the info in testimonial form or based on some research? -Original Message- From: Fred Walter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 7:17 AM Subject: Re: insight >>From: Reid Smith >>>they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, >>>I'd be glad to share what helps me. >>So what is the treatment for Fibromyalgia? Possabally antibotics? > >Some people with Fibromyalgia have gotten symptom relief from using >a Bare-Rife device. The details are somewhere at > http://www.kalamark.com/rife_bare > >fred > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Reid, No antibiotics. There is really nothing to kill. Fibromyalgia is not well understood, but it appears to have something to do with a chemical that convinces the brain that it is feeling pain although there is no or little physical damage to cause the pain. Another school of thought is that it is an autoimmune type disorder where the body actually attacks itself. All that I know is the more and better that you sleep and the better you treat your body and muscles, the better you end up feeling with Fibromyalgia. I take amino acids and I think that they help because they keep the muscles repaired and free of the byproducts that could be a pain causing factor. It ends up being one of those things where you just end up tolerating a lot of pain, but hey it won't kill you, so things could be worse. I've got to say, I wish that the CS would help with Fibromyalgia, but to date, I've had no luck. It sure works on many other things though. -Original Message- From: Reid Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 1:31 AM Subject: Re: insight >>I spent 5 years trying to find out what was wrong with me. I had pain >>everywhere, EXTREME fatigue, memory problems, intestinal problems, and on >>and on. I finally have found that I have Fibromyalgia. I can tell you that >>I have not noticed any help from CS for Fibromyalgia, but then that makes >>sense since it is probably not caused by virus, bacteria, or other living >>organism. I can tell you that it was a Rheumatoid specialist that finally >>decided that I had the FS. Of course that was after several other docs had >>told me I had Rheumatoid, no Rheumatoid, Lupus, IBD, Ulcers, Lymes, Mono, >>and etc. Be persistent with you doc, especially if you aren't getting any >>better. Mine nearly killed me with Ibuprofen, N-saids and the like before >>finding the right diagnosis. In fact they suggested that I had a chronic >>pain condition and should see a shrink. I pushed on and if fact got very >>mad with the doc just before he sent me to the right specialist. I don't >>know if the docs are the same where you are from, but here, they want to >>give you about 3 min. on a doc visit, and are in a rush to sweep you into a >>category and feed you some pills. I have not found a great amount of help >>for my condition, from the docs meds, but I have found some help in >>nutritional supplements. If they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, >>I'd be glad to share what helps me. > > So what is the treatment for Fibromyalgia? Possabally antibotics? > >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Cathryn, I take all of the antioxidants that I can get my hands on, C, E, Beta Carotene, Selenium, fruit and vegetable concentrates, and etc. I also take some of the same nutritional supplements that weight lifters and bodybuilders use such as the amino acids (Tri-Amino supplement, Acetyl L Carnitine, Ornithine and etc.), B's, Ginseng and a few others. You might try looking through some back issues of Joe Weider's Muscle and Fitness. They seem to keep up on nutritional supplements that rebuild and repair muscles, help with pain, cleanse oxidants and toxins from the body. As far as exercise goes, I cannot say enough good things about it. They actually told me not to work out hard, but I found that lifting heavy weights made me feel better than anything else. When I don't lift, it feels like someone has parked a car on my chest, and all of my joints ache. I feel a bit like someone has wrung me out like an old wash rag. All in all, I have went from feeling like a ninety year old man and crawling out of bed, to where I almost feel like I really am 34. Don't expect instant results from the exercise or vitamins though, because neither worked like that for me. You really have to stick with a lifestyle that will over time rebuild your immune system and general health and hopefully the system will start to repair itself. Even though the docs don't think that you have Fibromyalgia, I will tell you just for reference, you get what are called pressure or sensitive points. These are on and around joints, the neck, armpits, sternum, groin, and etc., and they are always sore especially to the touch. In fact these points are part of the diagnostic for identifying fibromyalgia. If you don't have these sensitive points, I think it is a pretty good guess that you don't have Fibromyalgia. Good luck and I hope you get some answers soon. -Original Message- From: Cat3walker To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 5:26 PM Subject: Re: insight >The doc. today said that I did not have fibromyalgia so I felt that was good >news. He was a Rheumatoid specialist and said he did not think that I had any >type of arthritic condition. He did say he did not think that I had lymes and >that I had hyperextension of the joints which meant I really had to have >exercise. Without the exercise, he said I would ache and have pain. This was >news to me. I am trying to be persistent. Sometimes I think I am losing my >head. I have only been going through this for 7 months. I cannot imagine >what it would be like for this to go on for years. I did request that a >thyroid panel be completed today. Strangely enough, with all of the blood >work, this had yet to be done. Can you share the supplements you are taking? >I am on a heavy regimen of vitamins. But at this point, I am willing to try >anything. Cathryn > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: insight
Cat3walker, I spent 5 years trying to find out what was wrong with me. I had pain everywhere, EXTREME fatigue, memory problems, intestinal problems, and on and on. I finally have found that I have Fibromyalgia. I can tell you that I have not noticed any help from CS for Fibromyalgia, but then that makes sense since it is probably not caused by virus, bacteria, or other living organism. I can tell you that it was a Rheumatoid specialist that finally decided that I had the FS. Of course that was after several other docs had told me I had Rheumatoid, no Rheumatoid, Lupus, IBD, Ulcers, Lymes, Mono, and etc. Be persistent with you doc, especially if you aren't getting any better. Mine nearly killed me with Ibuprofen, N-saids and the like before finding the right diagnosis. In fact they suggested that I had a chronic pain condition and should see a shrink. I pushed on and if fact got very mad with the doc just before he sent me to the right specialist. I don't know if the docs are the same where you are from, but here, they want to give you about 3 min. on a doc visit, and are in a rush to sweep you into a category and feed you some pills. I have not found a great amount of help for my condition, from the docs meds, but I have found some help in nutritional supplements. If they find that you are suffering Fibromyalgi, I'd be glad to share what helps me. -Original Message- From: Cat3walker To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 6:26 AM Subject: Fwd: insight -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: lunatic influences for the gullible ?
RYB, Not intended to offend, but it appears that you have already made up your mind concerning DC battery generated CS. Your posts give you away, and in fact I have asked myself if you have a commercial stake in such arguments. Suspecting, guessing, theorizing are all fine and in fact drive the research process, however, one usually bases the theories on some demonstrated or observed evidence. I don't mean to throw stones, but I have never used anything but the "battery gizmo" device for my CS. As far as I am concerned, I have had amazing results and I kind of get tired of the old "my toy is better than yours". If someone wants to do some research, I think that is great, but anymore the list seems a series of "commercials" telling me why my CS isn't as good as someone else's. Then again, I could be wrong. -Original Message- From: ryb To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 9:45 PM Subject: lunatic influences for the gullible ? >While I do NOT discount LUNAR influences on human beings(after all we are >composed of 98 % or so of water and as the moon does have an influence on >water,..) but to draw some conclusiosn from incomplete experiments is well >hazardous at best... > > I would like to see the experiments repeated but this time using a CS-300 >pro or whatever gizmo battery type Csilver generator,using same medium,that >is from the same bottle of distilled water that has less than 1 PPM vs a >power operated CS generator like the CS pros systems or PII or motherlode.. > > And then do a comparison..I suspect that you will NOT find any variation >in the steady current Cs generators as compared to the batteries one..If >that is the case it simply means that battery type Cs generators are too >sensitive and outside factors such as lunar influences,etc could affect the >potentiality fo the silver batch ! > > However if the Cs pros,PII etc do show a difference,maybe we ought to >narrow it down to AC vs DC operated devices.. > > Any takers to do the above ? > >Yours,ryb... > >P.S . A comparison between the different battery Csilver devices ought to >be done as well to determine which one is the most sensitive to lunar and >other planetary influences..Personally I would go for the devices that are >the LEAST sensitive to lunar,planetary and other cosmological influences so >that consistency can be maintained when doing a silver batch.I do not think >that the lunar variations can turn a Cs solution bad... > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Uses of CS
Bob, Thanks for the ideas. I hadn't thought of using CS on plants for fungus, but it does make sense. I'll also have to try out the dried egg idea. I wonder if a person could use some CS in the canning process as an added measure of safety? -Original Message- From: angelina lee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 7:56 PM Subject: Uses of CS >Greetings to all good CS makers and users, > > Here are some of the things we have been doing with our CS. The CS is >20ppm in all these uses. > > FUNGUS on PLANTS ; Had a chilly spell of weather and our pepper plants >developed fungus at the junction of stems and leaf stalks. This is very >bad. Saturated plants with CS spray for three days. Fungus is gone and >plants grew very fast after wards. Did not lose any plants. > > EGG DEHYDRATING ; Have found a good way to dehydrate egg safely. We >mix CS into the egg before dehydrating. We use America Harvest >dehydrater with three layers ,for eggs. Each layer will hold six eggs on >a "roll up sheet". Open 18 eggs in a bowl and mix with a mixer, add ONE >TABLE SPOON of 20ppm CS and mix it in. Pour egg mix onto the "roll up >sheets", set temp at 135f and time to 12 hr.. Eggs will be dry and >crispy, put in ziplock bag and label it. Also note that the eggs have a >sparkle to them in the light (silver atom sparkle). Have tried for many >months to get some to spoil, but they won`t. > > Bless all of you, Bob Lee > > > don`t cuss the farmer with your mouth full >-- >oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast > l...@fbtc.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Some things I've used CS for
Okay Mike asked for reports on usage of CS, so here goes. Before I get to what I've used CS for, I'll let you know how I make my brew. I have been using the CS-300b battery operated (36 volts DC) CS generator and I let it run for 20 minutes after I notice bubbles forming on one of the electrodes. According to the literature it is supposed to generate 3-5 ppm solution, but I've never had it tested. It generates clear and then changes golden after a few days. None of the following is any more than simple observation, but from what I've seen, I would love to see some controlled studies on CS. BURNS I have used the solution on burns by saturating a gauze or bandage and keeping the area wet for at least 24 hours. Within a few hours the pain is gone, blisters are going away and by the next day things are generally back to normal with little indication of a burn. My wife accidentally grabbed a cast iron pan (where the pot holder wasn't) and burned herself badly. The burn was white and blistered and looked like a piece of steamed fish. Within minutes of applying the CS, she said the pain started to go away. The next morning she took off the bandage and never applied the CS again. On two fingers the skin had reattached (sounded impossible to me too) and only one of the fingers peeled and that was because she picked at it out of curiosity. BABY RASH A friends baby had a terrible case of diaper rash that they just could not get rid of. I gave them a bottle of CS and now they swear by it. I told them to let the skin stay wet for at least 10 minutes. They said it started working right away and want more. VIRAL WARTS Another friend had a viral wart on her fingernail that she said she had for 13 years. I gave her a bottle and told her to keep a CS soaked bandage on it for a few days and see what happened. I think that she said that she noticed that it did not hurt after a few days and kept putting it on. In two weeks it was totally gone. Apparently the nail was damaged, but has grown out and is now normal. Previously, she had tried freezing, burning, cutting and a bunch of topical ointments all to no avail. COLD SORES If I put CS on the spot when I first notice it tingling, I can usually keep the sore from developing. If it gets swollen, I apply CS with a Q-tip for a minimum of 6-10 minutes and it almost always kills the infection by morning. If it stops tingling and scabs over, the infection phase is generally over. I have used the CS successfully on cold sores both inside the mouth and on the outside of the mouth. NASAL AND THROAT INFECTIONS I have used an atomizer and sniffed the solution into my sinus passages and gargled or drank the solution to help the infections along. These results were not as remarkable as the external applications of CS, but I believe that the CS did help some especially in the Nasal infections. INFECTED BEE STING I had a honey bee sting that got infected and caused a marble sized knot that turned red and made a streak down my arm. I used tea tree oil on the sting the first night and it turned black and hurt like the devil (Actually may have been good, I think it helped destroy the protein from the sting). The next night I put the CS on it overnight and by morning it had started to scab over and normal color started to return. Maybe this would have happened anyhow, but I was a bit worried when I saw the red streaks on my arm and figured that the CS sure would not hurt. A FEW QUESTIONS I don't know about internal applications, but I have had excellent results externally. On the negative side, I do know that when I take the CS internally, I get bad stomach cramps. Has anyone else had this problem? I am also wondering if CS would work for a systemic yeast infection. I have a friend who has had nothing but trouble for about 6-7 years now with yeast and I wonder if I should set him up with some CS. Would any of you have experience with this? If so, what dosages were taken and what length of time was necessary to relieve yeast problems? -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Clear or Golden? I really would like to see a steady flow of usage reports, good and bad. Testimonials go a long way toward keeping us focused on what we're here for. If you've used CS for something lately, or you haven't chipped in with your story in a while, feel free to post! There are always people looking for the info. Be well, Mike D. Silver-list maintainer [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to:
Re: OK, ... CS & Antioxidants
This is not meant as a flame Nancy and I certainly don't want to offend anyone, but I have a serious question regarding your post. It strikes me as funny that one would take something such as silver and then take something else to counteract it. If the antioxidant does in fact react or bind with the silver as if it were a free-radical, why would you take the antioxidant to begin with? It seems self defeating, but maybe I am missing something. For "normal" doses of silver, as I understand it, the body is capable of naturally eliminating the silver. If you take a higher dose but then take the antioxidant to head off the toxic effects, it seems to me that you would also lose the benefits (if any) of the higher dose. If I am missing something here, fill me in. I'm surely not a biologist or chemist, but this doesn't sound right somehow. -Original Message- From: Nancy Berntsen To: Susan M. Yensen ; silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 4:17 AM Subject: Re: OK, ... CS & Antioxidants >The medical overview of silver research I read (fung, et. al. listed at my >web page... http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/silver-works ) discussed a >study of of mice that showed that they could tolerate a much higher >(normally considered toxic) amount of silver intake if they were given >antioxidants. > >So it makes sense to take a daily supplement of vit. E or C or some other >known antioxidant while on colloidal silver. > >Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: [Fwd: Re: Fw: New Virus]
You are absolutely right. I received what they call a Trojan horse this very way using free agent. I actually double clicked unintentionally and thought "what are the chances?". I let it go instead of stopping and it turned out to be a bat file and it promptly launched and hosed my .dll files and some other vital windows stuff. From what I've read though, it is unlikely you can get a serious virus with a text message other than a word document. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Fw: New Virus] I've found at least one way in which the unwary user could trick themselves into infection with such a virus. The program Free Agent from Forte, a popular newsreader, has a checkbox in General Preferences that is labeled "double-clicking a message launches its binary attachment." When you set up the software this wonderful "feature" is enabled by default! So, click on an innocent looking message in your favorite newsgroup, to which someone has attached a program that launches a virus, and voilia! Infection. I use Free Agent, and it's a well designed and easy to use program. But this one snare is waiting for anybody not compulsive about checking out all of a program's configurations before using it! I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it means to me. If you know otherwise, Bruce, or anyone else, please point me to the information. Mike PS: And yes, this has nothing to do with Colloidal Silver. Sorry about that. I'll shut up now... On 14 Mar 98 at 19:16, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: > I DON't Think so... this is one of the virus hoaxes that's been > circulating around the net for quite a while now. > > Do a web search for Virus Hoax and check out the info; then, if you > had already perpetuated this hoax by passing it on , let your > friends know "IT AIN"T SO. > > Bruce K. Stenulson > Applied Technology > http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth > > angelina lee wrote: > > > > Important virus message ,Bob Lee > > -- [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Inhalation and ingestion of Silver Colloidal for Lung Cancer?
Susan, It seems you have a good attitude and you seem open to trying experimental treatments. If you find this of use, I hope you have great luck with it. If not, I am sorry to waste your time. I just read of an experiment where they used a rare Tibetian mushroom called Cordyceps sinensis. I don't know how one would locate some of it, but the experiment found that it reversed both lung cancer and asthma. I am getting more info on the experiment, but in the mean time, if you have the time and energy, you might see what you can find on this substance. The same article also mentions stabilized liquid oxygen therapy for many types of cancer, but does not go into detail about it. The information comes from the Health Sciences Institute. I don't know a lot about them, but the appear to have some well credentialed medical doctors on staff. Anyhow, I have sent for more information and I would be glad to share it with you if you think that you are interested. If you are interested, drop me a line and I will send it when available, if not, just delete this and I won't bother you again. In any case God bless you. >Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:59 -0500 (EST) >From: "s.j. vonesh" >Subject: Oxylist In Praise of Oral H2O2 Therapy >(which really tires me out), I started the oral H2O2 therapy in >conjunction with a basic de-toxifying program two weeks ago. Although I >was originally pretty skeptical that this would be of any value, I was >so depressed by my conventional doctors that I felt I had at least to >try to help myself in any way I could. > > I am pleased to report that it really does seem to help. I don't know >if it's curing my cancer, but it certainly has given me a lot more energy, >improved my mood, lessened my headaches, and made it possible for me to >sleep at night without the aid of narcotic drugs. I feel great! >Keep smilin' :) >Sue > > >Susan J. VoneshUniversity of Western Ontario >svon...@julian.uwo.ca London, Ontario Canada >/ >hoopiest star: Antares sassiest galaxy: Andromeda > >-- > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Thanks
Thanks to all who sent me information and url's for info on Rife. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Newbie
I've seen reference to the Rife/Bare machine and I've never heard of it before. Would some kind soul give me a brief description of what it is and what it does. -Original Message- From: Carl J. Jasinto To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 6:10 PM Subject: Newbie >Hello all, >I need to know how to make colloidial silver for my self. Also any >good web sites for further info? Also I have a need for an operating >Rife/Bare machine in Ohio. I live in Lorain - 30 miles west of >Cleveland - on the lake front. Please e-mail me directly r/e the >machine. >Thanks, >Carl > >mailto:ca...@erienet.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Flamed again...
That's okay, I got flamed on the same NG. In a nutshell, the guy said I was a moron and taking CS was akin to eating rocks. I let him know that the idea of a NG was the sharing of ideas, and someone had asked for opinions from people who had used CS. I reminded him that at one point zinc lozenges for colds were looked upon as voodoo, but now look at how many of the big drug companies sell them. Not everything is accepted by the established powers or their followers and that is okay, we know better. It took a while to convince some folks that the earth was not flat :-) -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 1:00 PM Subject: Flamed again... >Dear List, Here`s my reply to a flame I got from the Survivalist NG: >Mike S. Medintz wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> >> One fine day, I found this tidbit from Marsha Hallett >> : >> >> > Dear Steve, and anone else interested: >> >Here is some info. on what CS is, and the directions for a simple >> >generator: >> >> And it's bullshit... > >Thanks for the gentlemanly comment. MLH > >> >CS is made of ions of pure silver in distilled water. >> >> If it's made of metal ions then I doubt that it's a colloid. > >How do you know? Under the microscope it sure looks like a colloid, and >acts like one...MLH > >> >> >> >It is so fine that >> >it can get inside the cells where Borrelia, the Lyme Disease bugs, >> can >> >hiding and kill them, which antibiotics just can`t do. >> >> Again, bullshit-Lyme disease is treated with rocephin quite >> effectively. > >No it isn`t, see the Lyme NG. MLH > >> >> >> >CS is able to >> >kill all one-celled organisms, including bacteria, yeasts, fungus >> and >> >even viruses. It does so by suffocating them. Silver reacts with >> the >> >enzyme that bugs use to utilize oxygen, stopping it, and thus >> killing >> >the bugs. >> >> Liar. Virii do NOT EVEN USE OXYGEN!!! THEY HAVE NO METABOLISM!!! >> Neither do many yeasts and other fungi-they work by fermentation >> which means that they do NOT require outside oxygen. > >Well, I don`t know how they work, but CS kills em anyway! MLH > >> >> >> Bacteria...well, it depends, although the metabolism of aerobic >> bacteria is not so different from humans that any substance which >> killed ALL bacteria by interruption would not kill human cells as >> well. >> >> I mean, jeez, "marsha," lies are bad enough, but these are STUPID >> lies-the kind that ANYONE who EVER took an intro biology class would >> see right through! > >Whoa, doesn`t THIS guy have an attitude!!! I`m not a liar in any sense >of the word. I`m no scientist, I`m just a grandma, hoping to help others > >get well again, like I did. I found CS after 6 years of awful misery >with Lyme disease, and NONE of the antibiotics I used ever got rid of >it. Even IV Rocephin CAN`T, just check the Lyme disease newsgroup. >You`ll see letters from folks after several courses of IV Rocephin, >still ill and wondering what to try next. Except for CS, there isn`t >anything! >What is this guy`s problem anyway, why can`t he let us willing guinea >pigs try it for ourselves to find out? I`m satisfied. CS works >wonderfully for me, my family and even my dogs, too, so you can`t call >it placebo effect for them. >I have a cold right now. It began last night, tomorrow it`ll be gone, >just like all the others that began during the 20 months I`ve been using > >CS. > >I`m sorry, Mr. Ornery Bad-mouth, CS WORKS, whether you want it to or >not. >Marsha Hallett, well again in Milwaukee > >Ain`t that something??!! Whew...Anyone else care to respond to this >idiot, too? >Marsha >
Re: Boiling CS Solution
Funny post Mike. My CS always comes out clear and then darkens to the golden color over the next several days. The only way that I can tell that the process has occurred is that I can see the "cloud" coming off of one electrode and then of course the "black fuzzy" deposit that appears on both electrodes. One thing that I seem to remember from chemistry is that heat speeds up chemical reaction, so it would stand to reason that by heating the CS, the golden color would be seen quicker. What remains to be seen is if the gold color is a sign of degradation or if the product is more available to the body or less so because of this. Hopefully, it will turn out to be useful in both the clear and golden form, similar to the way that Vitamin C is available in many useful forms. One thing I have noticed is that most of you run your CS much longer than I do. I have seen some who run for an hour or more and one fellow who runs his until he has what he calls a white paste. I don't know if what he describes is possible, but the thought that "more is not always better" does occur to me. I understand that when a solution becomes oversaturated, the absorbed particles have a tendency to come out of solution as a deposit. I don't know if a colloid is technically a solution, however I would be inclined to think that eventually the water carries as much silver as it can, and you begin wasting your silver and defeating the whole purpose of making a solution of CS with a small particle size. For the record, I use 36 V. DC into two silver strips approx. 4"X1/4"X1/16" for approx.. 20-25 minutes in room temperature distilled water. The reaction is not visible for several minutes, but an led indicates that the circuit is working. I have not used the resulting CS for Lymes, but have used on burns, an infection that was causing blood poisoning, viral warts, sore throats, stomach flu, ear infections, nasal infections, fungus, and so on. It has been highly effective at this concentration, which I would think is well below the concentrations that most of you are producing. Anyhow, I just thought that I would share my experience. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Boiling CS Solution I would not be surprised to find out that the yellow color was either or both an electro-optical effect or a chemical one... In the beginning the great one said "Thou shalt use salt. Behold the clarity of the precious fluid!" Then another rose up and spake thusly, "Salt is evil. Thou shall not use salt." He held up a glowing vessel and said, "Looketh upon the golden color and know that it is good." Yet others held forth their laden jars and proclaimed, "We useth high voltage and LO! It is without color." They looked down upon the golden elixir and accused, "Thine elixir is an abomination, impure and tarnished!" And about this time the whole picture became rather obscure to mortals, as the titans became indiscernible in clouds of swirling dust, the fog of battle, and blinding lightning and flames.
Re: CS
I just put my CS in fine spray atomizer and breathe in as I spray it, similar to the way one uses an inhaler. I have also used the atomizer to spray the CS into my nose to combat infections and it works well for that as well. I bought the little atomizer at a local packaging and container store and it was very inexpensive. -Original Message- From: brains To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 3:49 PM Subject: CS > >FYI, I have tried using CS mixed into the distilled water I use when I >am using our ultrasonic (cool) humidifier. But I could not keep my head > >in the "cloud" because I would cough my head off (then I'd have to pick >it up off the floor and start over ). > >I, too, would like to know if anybody else has tried either the steam or > >ultrasonic humidifiers to get CS into the lungs. > >All the best, >Tom Miller >milcom...@topcatt.com > >Also the use of a nebuliser (asthma) may be a good method to ensure the >distribution of CS to the lungs ... > >Brian in OZ >
Re: Making CS accurately
So what are some of the hazards that go along with argyria, aside from turning your skin and organs Grey or blue? What is silver poisoning and what are the associated hazards or illnesses? Where has silver been found in nature in water and in plants? Since it takes an electrical charge to make the colloid, does this occur in nature in water? Will plants take up the silver naturally? I understand some plants won't take up some metals. Any info would be helpfull. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Tom To: Silver List Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 6:39 AM Subject: Making CS accurately >the concentration were within certain ranges. It makes no sense whatsoever >to risk argyria or even silver poisoning from consuming solutions that are >not like CS would be found in nature, such as in the water supply or in >plant >material grown on non-depleted soils. >
