Re: [SLUG] Biggest Corporate Contributions to Free Software
Where does sourceforge/va come into it? I mean geez, i call that a contribution ;) Redhat are probably right up there... suse puts money into alsa and others i believe, and im not sure about turbo =\ transmeta let linus work linux on the job, i mean geez ;) Dean Jeff Waugh wrote: Who has made the biggest corporate contribution to the development of Free Software? A bit of a mini-poll... The sarcastic can call it Putting Your Source Code Where Your Money Was. There are two categories, and I've started off with a few nominees: Corporate Development of Free Software -- 1) Existing and Initial Release (contributions to existing Free Software, and software initially released by this company as Free Software). - Red Hat: Many and varied software packages (good examples please). - Eazel: Nautilus, Gnome. - Trolltech: KDE, Qt. - Ximian: Nautilus, Gnome. - Many Linux Companies: Kernel. 2) Released Proprietary Software (contributions by this company in the form of released proprietary software code). - SGI: XFS and more. - SAP: SAPdb. - Trolltech: Qt. Please add more! - Jeff -- Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb. - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] language jihad
Mason is a component of mod_perl mod_perl rocks my world ;) Dean David wrote: Noted with interest about the use of mason as a potential language for the development of the SLUG site... and I need to learn a language for web development and database (postgres? mysql?) similar to the SLUG requirements. PERL, PHP, mason? what the hell is mason? There have also been other languages mentioned that I've never heard of. I don't know any current language (I was a cobol programmer in the 70's). I remember someone on list being incredibly disparaging of PHP. A language jihad might guide me (and others?) which direction to take, and avoid false prophets. What are the serious strengths and weaknesses, and which are ridiculously difficult to learn. Do they relate to other languages or are they are a blind alley. Any other thoughts? If this list is the wrong place to pose this question, where would be better? David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] XMMS?
You need to cd plug in installed then you need to tell it the mount device and the directory it will appear in you can also change i few other trivial things my setup is /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom i then put in a cd and click open browse to /mnt/cdrom and i see a whole bunch of files, each corresponding to a track on the cd select, ok. xmms then resolves them in freedb.org and plays them i recommend gtcd though Dean Richard Blackburn wrote: Who knows how to get XMMS to play CDs? I've got it to play mp3s OK and it goes through the motions of playing the CDs, but no sound from the speakers. I've tried the configure stuff in Options, but to no avail? Any ideas? Richard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Ximian GNOME 1.4 is out
John Gunning wrote: http://ximian.com/desktop/download.php3 With support for Red Hat Linux 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, and 7.1 SuSE 6.3, 6.4 and 7.0 on x86 Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 Debian GNU/Linux (Potato) on x86 LinuxPPC 2000 TurboLinux 6.0 Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.2 Apparently support for x86 Woody is on the way... can anyone tell me why it is that SLUG users seem so predisposed to this distro? Debian is good. What more can i say? I'm not trolling at all, the reason I ask this is that I'm currently running RH 7.0 (regretting the upgrade from 6.2) and contemplating 7.1, as I've heard better things about it (SMP, threads, performance, etc). Is it worth checking out Debian GNU as well? This statement kinda makes me laugh. No offense or anything, but there is a world beyond RPMS If you do like binary packages then debian is probably even more for you ;) My task is evaluating Linux as a Java Server Platform, main apps are Apache, Tomcat/Resin, MySQL/Oracle, Cloudscape and Java 1.3. Also what experiences have people had generally with Java under Linux ? Does anyone have any views on GCJ ? We develop servlets at work exclusively on big expensive servers running linux. We also develop on normal machines running linux as well, but the big servers compile stuff oh so much faster ;) -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Game Players of the World Unite
I got tribes 2 at fragfest3
hehe good old pre-release date, and i dont mean "borrowed" a copy
/me pats tribes 2. Now all i have to do is play it (and get my
voodoo3 working in x4)
I wouldnt mind getting my mits on heavy gear 2. Not that i play
games mind you. I just buy them, go "ohh they work in linux" and
then remove then and go back to perl.
I guess i could organise it if a number of people are interested
id say at least $1k worth (before discount) which would be around
12 titles (~$80 each)
Dean
Terry Collins wrote:
Jeff Waugh wrote:
Might be fun for some of SLUG's gamers:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/20/1324216mode=nocomment
Here is the URL for the LWN article that they badly misquote
http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3 , which has a bit more
information.
Note shipping is only "domestic" shipping - just a tad higher in cost.
Which would also explain why MacLug hasn't received an email offer.
So, who is going to step forward and act as the SLUG-Loki buying
co-ordinator?
I'm interested in Railroad Tycoon and Civilisation CTP type games. The
last Slug Games day firmly convinved me that I'm not cut out for Quake
Death match games {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] Nokia Phones and Linux Dial up
gnoki or something like that
im pretty sure its on freshmeat
Dean
Dion Curchin wrote:
Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone in the group has had experience with or
can recommend any good websites on using Nokia Phones as modems {ie to get
on the net}. I have an 8210 so I need to use IRDA via a serial port dongle
I have, to communicate with the phone. This seems to work okay under Win2K
{I was curious okay!} but I haven't yet tried it out on Linux. I am running
a beta of Mandrake 8.
Any info / suggestions would be appreciated.
Cheers.
Dion.
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[SLUG] The Universal Answer
http://www.kernel.org/LDP/ I dont see this being refered to alot... but just so people who *dont* know know, the LDP is basically _the_ place for linux doco ( next to man and info ) so go there, theres alot of cool stuff to read regardless. IMO a good unix admin can still learn something every day ;) If not... then start making 2.4.2+reiser more stable *Stampsfoot* Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] make menuconfig
make menuconfig has no kernel options in it awk complains about something before the (empty) menu appears. im missing some tool but i cant put my finger on what it is. thanks guys ;) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] NVIDIA geforce2 mx
Jan, you can get drivers that allow you to access the i2c chips in the card, wow you can view registers! alas thats it. I spent alot of time looking into a tnt2 with tv out. shut down, unplug monitor, plug in tv, boot, tv out works with all tv out cards ive used (inc v3tv, tnt2tv geforceddrtv) obviously this is platform independant. Dean Jan Schmidt wrote: Any sluggers out there that have had success setting up a geforce2 mx card to use the tv out successfully? Really I'm only interested in using it to display the video overlay as a scaled fullscreen image on the tv output so I can play movies on my telly, which I can do in win98se, not at all in win2k. doing it in linux would be yet another lovely step toward never talking to microsoft again. J. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Digital camera's for linux
v4l drivers for the logitech quickcam express exist please refer to the slug archive as i have previously mentioned the url. It works reasonably well. Dean Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Michael Covi wrote: Hi Sluggers, I wanted to get a digital camera for linux. I know nothing about this. Anyone got any recomendations? My friend bought a logitech and it only works on windows so for sure that brand is out. Goto http://freshmeat.net and look for gphoto. They have a list (not as comprehensive as it could be) of cameras supported. I got a Kodak DC3400 recently which wasn't on the list but works perfectly. Just make sure you get one that does standard RS232, although USB may also be OK. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes its valid) - Microsoft is finally bringing all of its Windows operating system families under one roof. It will combine all of the features of CE, stability and support of ME and the speed of NT. It will be called Windows CEMENT... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Logging Ethernet Data Transfer
This is the story, net here at PCL is SLW. So to help determine net usage i want to get an output of recieved data per hour. Obviously i just use cron to time the increments. But i need something that will read recieved data from the ethernet devices. I could probably even do this with ifconfig "devicename" but i would need to reset the count. Is there a nice CLI tool that can help me? Or someone got some fancy perl to parse cat /dev/ out puts? Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Old LIbraries
I dont suppose anyone has a nice quick way of detecting and removing old library versions? some fancy regex's or something? Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SQL servers and Apache
Perl has an Ms-SQL module, ODBC and JDBC drivers no doubt exist. Lets not get flaming going, but mod_perl is so the way to go. And i like jserv as well. Php is good, but i see so many poorly done sites using php is makes me sick. I mean, SSI will suit 90% of sites ;) But anyway, your other option is to unload all the data from Ms-SQL into text files (its a select option) and then load the data into mysql/post/your fav db here, using the "load" command. My and Post are both highly SQL compliant, post more so than My, and i can only assume MsSQL at least supports the SQL basics. http://search.cpan.org Dean George Vieira wrote: So I guess it's a talk of getting them to go fully linux? If so, is there ways of porting the data over and is MySQL is best option... things like that? -Original Message- From: Steve Kowalik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:22 PM To: George Vieira Cc: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] SQL servers and Apache On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 09:40:26PM +1100, George Vieira uttered: Hi all, I have been offered a job to build 4 Apache web server but it must interface to a Windows NT SQL server.. I have not done SQL at all and I was hoping someone could tell me if this is possible and how to do it.. mod_auth_(mysql|ora), but it is a festering pile of (^(*_^*^)_^_*+)(*)(+*+)(*_*^. I've just deployed a virtual server with authenication again a mysql, and i couldn't count all the problems on 2 hands and feet. (ie: more than 20 ;-) Bet someone else has a better idea, too. thanks, George Vieira.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Steve "I'm a sysadmin because I couldn't beat a blind monkey in a coding contest." --Me -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Dual Screen Problem
Peter, Maybe you had best talk to rasterman or mandrake then. possibly some E groupy so as not to bug them. I believe Xinerama makes the two heads appears as one with an od res. Which the window manager shouldnt have problems with as one can easily define any crazy res you want in XF86Config, most people just use boring 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 etc... (cat flames /dev/null) My sparcclassic uses some crazy and cant be changed. Xinerama may be your best bet. Removal and rebuilding of config files occasionally fixes things in my experience (backup first) Dean Peter Rundle wrote: you need the X server to support 2 heads. I have that working already (re: my first e-mail). The mouse moves seamlessly onto the second screen, I can get windows open on it eg export DISPLAY=mybox:0.1; xterm I just can't get a window manager working on it. When I try and start another window manager (with display set to the other screen) it barfs with "a window manger is already running". WM of choice is E, which I believe can handle dual screens (I don't think you run two window managers I think it sorts it out from the XF86Config). I've found lots of mails back and forth on chat sites that say it can be done and it works fine, just can't find one that actually says how to do it. Thanks anyways' I'll keep at it. rgds Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] re: mailman
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Re: [SLUG] usb webcams
logitech quickcams work in linux... observe at http://bong.com.au/zortcam/ drivers at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12924release_id=18002 buggy, but usable Dean Peter Hardy wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 01:51:08PM +1100, Alexander Else wrote: from doing a few searches i can see there's support for quite a few usb webcams, does anyone have any experiences with getting these going under linux? I've been using a Philips Vesta cam for a while now with the 2.4-pre, and now 2.4.0 kernels. In my experience, the driver is rock-solid, and I get better performance in Linux than Windows. I haven't tried with a 2.2 kernel, but I hear the driver works well with those kernels as well. If you don't mind using a closed-source driver (The author has entered into an NDA with Philips..), it's an excellent choice. xawtv is really designed for tuner cards and the like. I don't think it's ever actually worked for me. There are much better apps around for looking at webcam output like camstream and gspy. Cheers, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Look, Ma! I've got a new email address!) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Mboards have just about everything on board now. Our latest roll out is an i810 and soundMAX (?) onboard with a 530tx card. These machines are about the size of 2 laptops. (not inc 17" obviously) have 1 x lil fdd and 2 x big fdd Who upgrades on a mass basis? And the littleness gives peope more desk space. ;) They also shouldnt be bad linux boxes. I have no gripes with inbuilt stuff when you get such a size difference. Certainly home machines benefit from upgradability though. I wouldnt buy such a thing. But they suit our needs well. Dean Ken Yap wrote: |Onboard? Run away, run away! | |I highly recommend having as much off the motherboard as you can - they |always come back to bite later anyway. A network interface is less of a |problem than a sound card or whatever, but it's always good to be able to |pull out a problem. :) Nah, they're fine. Usually there's a BIOS option to disable the NIC. Would you recommend always having serial and parallel interfaces offboard? They work fine. You don't have a choice these days anyway. The usual problem is that up till recently up till recently most mobos with integrated NICs were mediocre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware recommendation
Netgear 310 10/100 cards are well supported with the tulip driver. However up until 2.2.18 (and possibly still) you need to reload the kernel module if the cable is pulled out or something. So be sure to have a really solid connection as short inteferences you normally wouldnt notice will cause the card to stop being connected. We use these in our proxy cluster. 311's are supported in 2.4.x under a different driver. Look on daves site. Intel eepro100's are good, no problems here. I run 2 dual p3 servers with 2 per machine (one on the mboard). I know alot of people swear by them. Dlink 530tx rev a's are run with the via-rhine driver. The latest rev of this card (rev c) needs an updated driver which is on dave m's site and included in 2.4.x. Turn *off* APM with these cards as linux cant handle it (thats our conclusion. apm on problems on, apm off problems off. seems logical) 530tx+ are actual realtek 8139 chips, use 8139too. Alot of $40 10/100 are 8139. Probably 99% of them. I have run three of these in a single box with no problems (other than that realteks are cpu using) using the old driver. I have one in the pc im using now. (i have seen skymaster, acer and full on nonamed cards as 8139's) 3com also makes excellent 10/100 nics. I have 2 servers runing 3c509's and i have no complaints. Netgear makes a good vanilla 10/100 card (soho market) and their gigagbit cards work well in linux as well (apm bug though). Dean Apologies for the long-winded post - I guess my question boils down to: 1. Is anyone having problems with 1 or 2 8139 cards in the same machine? 2. The Intel seems to be a very popular choice - would it be worth investing in (I know worth is relative but the difference is 128meg of ram g). you may have read my recent posts on problems getting a Dlink DFE-530TX card to work, well I swapped it for a RealTek 8139 card (brand is "skymaster") and that works great (auto-detected etc in esmith 4.1 (based on RH7)). I've no idea of performance but it works for me. Dave. To second the motion, I have had some intermittent problems with the intel 82559. On a Slackware 7.1 box, it seemed to work fine for a week or more but would occasionally dump the interface with errors similar to RX buffer not available TX buffer not available Rebooting (eek!) was necessary to bring it back on line. It might have been a driver issue... but I would have thought 7.1 would be fairly up to date... Anyways I ripped it out and threw in a cheapy Netgear which is doing very well. ;) Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email Programs
Exchange can also talk pop and smtp. Im using it now with moz ;) Dean Andrew Reilly wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:57:42PM +1100, Wylie Edwards wrote: anyone know of a good client that will allow access to that damn thing called exchange and its schedules etc?? i doubt there will be but if anyone knows some alternatives would be much appreciated. Can't help with the schedules issue (but very interested if anyone else knows of such a thing.) For mail, though, exchange can speak IMAP, which is a standard. Fetchmail can speak IMAP, and stuff the resulting messages into your local mail spool, from whence you can do what you like with them. Alternatively, mail user agents (MUAs) that I know of that speak to IMAP servers directly include: netscape-communicator, mozilla, tkrat and pine. Mozilla (used to) has some bugs with IMAP, but it's getting there... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Firewall with 3 x NIC's
Its not unreasonable on telstras behalf. I dont think its possible for them to support every OS And windows (mr defacto standard) comes in a million forms is bad enough. Messing with windows networking is 'fine' 90% of the time. But some times it really does end in tears. They dont support modems at all, look at it that way. Anyway its not a hard set up. Set your default route as your adsl line, and point your dns settings to your isdn IP. Pretty simple really. Dean Chris Stokes wrote: This may be a dumb idea I have an internal (192.168.0..) network and an external on a 128k ISDN Firewalled with ipchains on RH7. I have just been connected with an ADSL line. I would like this to be used for outgoing port 80 browsing etc only and use the 128k ISDN for incoming port forwards of web requests, smtp etc.. I have managed to get the ADSL line working on my RH7 test box (no thanks to Telstra who would only install in a M$ machine with no existing NIC) Is it possible to set my ipchains firewall up to support this type of config on one machine with 3 NIC's? Regards, * Chris Stokes Senior Systems Consultant Bass Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] M 0.8
Incase people didnt notice mozilla 0.8 is now available for download. Notably, mail-news is much improved and security center now looks right. Preferences dont start expanded the contract a second later when their window appears. No doubt a comprehensive list of changes is on the mozilla site. But mozilla 0.8 is more useful than ever! I have to adjust myself to a less-buggy mail client ;) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Video Card ?
I like voodoo3's (or better) ATI's probably arent too bad either and ill upgrade my work pc to an intel i810 soon and see how that goes. 3dfx makes rocking cards though... did make rather. Dean Richard Blackburn wrote: Would like to hear people's recommendations for a snappy video card, say, with 16Mb Ram or better that is easily configurable with Linux (RH6x-7x in particular) that IS NOT an nvidia design. Richard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Squid
quote While trying to process the request: GET /squid-internal-static/icons/anthony-dirup.gif HTTP/1.1 Host: mrblonde.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au:8080 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1-ac9 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105 Accept: */* Accept-Language: en Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress,identity Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive The following error was encountered: Invalid Request Some aspect of the HTTP Request is invalid. Possible problems: Missing or unknown request method Missing URL Missing HTTP Identifier (HTTP/1.0) Request is too large Content-Length missing for POST or PUT requests Illegal character in hostname; underscores are not allowed If this problem cannot be resolved, please contact Technical Response Staff. Be sure to quote the above error message accurately.. Generated Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:53:05 GMT by mrblonde.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au (Squid/2.3.STABLE4) /quote This happens for all ftp icons. I cant see anything wrong in squid.conf could someone send me extracts of their working squid.conf please? Thanks! Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Is Linus killing Linux?
So what's the solution? Of course it's to bring critical functionality in house, even if that means you duplicate work that is being done externally. This is what happened with Nvidia, for example, producing inhouse kernel modules for driver support. If you can't afford to do this, you are possibly screwed, and it doesn't matter whether you are developing for Linux or Windows. I don't see where there's a substantial criticism of linux in this point. You can also easily be USCWAP developing for Windows. The great thing about linux is if you do make a driver (or some form of kernel addition), once its in you dont have to maintain it (or so i hear). So grab the latest devel kernel, write a driver well and submit it. Reiser managed to do it, surely something like a NIC or Video Card would be substantially less difficult (no flames, just an example). Nvidia is a good example i think, although i know 3com released GPL drivers which were pretty poor as far as duplication (From AC's fingers himself). I recall Rasterman listing reasons why nvidia chooses closed modules. If you care, we have archives ;) the problem here is that linus is a "central point of failure" - hes good - but as anyone knwos -a central point of failure is bad. corporations at least have lots of people and thus no central point. they can re-assign mantinence when people go on holidays, its more dependable for them. thats they point the article was making. they have a very good point. There are "central points of failure" in every company I've ever worked for. But you make it sound like if Linus went under a bus tomorrow (heaven forbid) that would be the end of Linux. I don't even think it would be a terribly large hiccup. There'd be some reshuffling, but there also would be if key people were lost in any commercial enterprise. In fact I think Linux would be less vulnerable (in terms of work getting done) to a failure like this than many private companies would be. Alan Cox would presumably fill Linus shoes as an interim measure immediately, and work would continue. There are "lots of people" working on linux as well, and a bit of reshuffling wouldn't be such a big problem. Gates is to MS as Linus is to Linux, (although linus hasnt sworn to destroy his competitors). If Gates dies MS will go on, if (when) Linus dies (and i really hope he doesnt) then i think the kernel devel people would suffle around and get on with it. Linux is a kernel yes, but theres more to a linux box than the kernel, many interlocking projects run by many different teams. Unfortunately an OS is now *everything* you see at boot time (thanks MS) to the media and all the plebs out their anyway. Comparing linux to competivite business is silly, since its written by people who love it. No doubt other OS developers do also, but linux is for the people, by the people. Companies can market and sell it sure, but at the end of the day its reason for existance is Linus's desire for an OS. If it isnt a feasible business model who cares? If it cant play with the big boys or whatever... who cares? I know i dont. These little raves which seem to get mass media prove nothing and achieve nothing. Linux's "fast movement" is simply because patches are available, authors put up software "works for me, YMMV". Commercial vendors will sit on their current product and make money out of it (whilst developing) then release their next product when the graphs start to slump. dont "reply to all please" one copy from to:slug is enough for me to read Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mozilla and SPAM
I think its cool how mozilla translates character sets so well. At least now the silly spam slug gets is in its proper language. Sure i cant read it, but it gives me a chance to admire the technology Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer No, Open Source is just intellectual-property people have chosen to give away. MS can still sell its slop. If it was say... removing patents then it would be an "intellectual-property destroyer". (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business As opposed to NT server and application pricing? (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development MS only cares because they cant buy it. and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. And i dont call a 1 hour wait and then being told to reinstall windows "support" or any kind. www.linuxdocs.org is support ;) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. It does sound a lot like cold war propaganda, but cold war propaganda is among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. Americans are generally alot more patriotic that Australians. Which is a little od when you first come across it. Im not going to get into the whole 'australian' attitude thing. Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
The same america that doesnt export strong encryption. Dean Raoul Golan wrote: Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Hmmm... yet another reason to use Linux. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
In communism everything is owned by the state, then is given out as needed. Sounds like MS. They buy everything, then let you have it in restricted user license packages. The only difference is Russia made lots of cool stuff and achieved alot of cool things, auto-play is just annoying ;) Dean Jason Rennie wrote: Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] LIL- (lilo even)
i get LIL- at boot on one of our servers. Not being silly, i read the lilo docs and it idicates this occurs when something is wrong with /boot/map so i fire up a repair disk, remove /boot/map, lilo, installed linux * reset. same thing i have copied the kernel and tried booting to that, lilo -l as well the system is a dual p3 800, gig of ran, dual eepro100, one adaptec 2100s and one 3200s with alot of 17 gig ibm scsi disks. turbolinux server 6 with lots of dean-hat changes (aka compiles from source. kernel, x 4, blackbox, you name it) it was booting before and now its just playing the fool for some reason. as you can imagine i would like it up again asap! help! Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)
Exim is cool as. www,exim.org. crossfires persistance in bagging qmail is amusing though. However the joy of opensource is choice. (be it license, theory of implementation, debianization etc) I think its silly to bitch about qmail's non-gpl license. (personally im more a fan of BSD's freedom, as opposed to GPL's maintained freedom) Make a choice, play around, and before you get too annoyed with unix MTA's, try MS exchange ;) Dean Crossfire wrote: Rev Simon Rumble was once rumoured to have said: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered: I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my distribution. What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein Way? Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8) Please do NOT get me started on djb's MTA stupidity again. I've already publically voiced my objections to qmail on this list. Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far better than qmail. C. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: those who live in glasshouses ..]
If you wana hook into credit cards and debit systems and the like quite often your not given alot of options. Only their store is using NT, its not like its mission critical stuff. Dean Jason Rennie wrote: Interesting message received on our internal linux mailing list here at Canon... Strange, no? No really you'll find they probably out source that chuck of the web site, so as to get secure credit facilites? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Sparc boot floppy label
With sparc problems its seriously worth looking through the linux-sparc
mail archives and even mail archives of openbsd and netbsd.
i believe sparc linux is at www.ultralinux.com (or org or something)
Dean
Angus Lees wrote:
\begin{Terry Collins}
Does anyone know what the error that sort of read
error not sun disk label" means.
We have the debian 2.2.2 rescue bin on a floppy using
dd if=rescue.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync; sync
and are getting an error message about the floppy not having a sun disk
label.
There is nothing in the installation notes other than the dd command.
sounds like its trying to boot the floppy as a hard drive..
how did you tell it to boot from the floppy?
(i just had to do: "boot floppy" - it was really tricky)
I'd also appreciate it if someone can tell me how I can get dd to stop
the speaker squarking - the first dd switch the speaker on. It is also
flashing lights on the front panel, but I can ignore those.
that sounds .. healthy.
this is a dd process on your i386 or from another sparc?
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Re: [SLUG] Password protecting specific web folders
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_auth.html http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_access.html The second isnt exactly what your after for but might come in handy Dean Daniel Finn wrote: Apache with .htaccess would prolly be the best way just read up on apache... it is commonly talked about Daniel Finn a.k.a Finny Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ - 4886934 Mobile - +61 (403) 364 302 Nepean Micro Computers - http://www.nmc.com.au/ - Original Message - From: "James Gifford" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: [SLUG] Password protecting specific web folders Hi Is there any way to get Apache/Linux to get a browser to prompt for the Linux user password to get access to a folder that the public doesn't have permissions for? I've done it in NT and it is quite a useful way of adding an extra layer of protection to admin sections of websites. I have been setting a session variable based on the correct username and password and redirecting the user away from the secure page if the session is not set for that user. What are the best ways of securing these areas of websites? Thanks James Gifford -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] You get the weirdest email when you...
Holly said "I have alot of respect for" not "*we* have" i also dont think we should confuse the calibre of software with the calibre of its programmers. Clearly MS doesnt =) Marketing is all about making yourself look good, and one of the easiest ways is to make others look bad. Like in politics =) Anyway, anyone need a job? *grin* Id prefer that people be MS employees rather than work-for-the-dole employee's Dean "Money is money" Hamstead Ken Yap wrote: |- Forwarded message from Holly Lindsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "If we can't beat them, try to get them to join us?" Hahaha, we won. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Sun Hardware from ComputerBank.
http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/OpenBSD/260/0/4662866/
or
http://lists.openresources.com/OpenBSD/sparc/msg00561.html
multiple mail archives =)
looking at it now some stuff is pretty vague. Oh well, having
done about 5 network installs i may be of some help.
boot.net gets the machine going it them checks out bootparams
to see where it should get root from. It then opens its NFS
root and starts up bsd.rd (which is a kernel + ramimage) and
the install begins.
My sparc came with redhat on it, and apparently there is doco
with it.
Sparc BIOS hardware changes a bit from what ive heard. Thankfully
you can go "help command" (eg. help boot) and it gives you info.
Dean
Terry Collins wrote:
Dean Hamstead wrote:
Just a suggestion.
Network install the lot.
That is a distinct possibility as they all have NICs built in.
FGI - they also have SCSI built in as well.
Debian supports sparc doesnt it =) I hear suse does.
So I hear
Is anyone interested in my "steps to installing a sparc
over a network" admitedly its for openbsd, but 80% of it is OS
independant (eg. network settings and sparc bios stuff)
Yes please.
(I'm basically a person who is satisfied with the wheel and is quite
happy not to reinvent it {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] Sun Hardware from ComputerBank.
Just a suggestion. Network install the lot. Will make your lives a lot easier. Just grab a linux xmachine (i386 even) and set up rarp, bootparams nfs etc. plug the sparcs in and let them install. No disks (discs) no fuss. That is, if they all have nics. Debian supports sparc doesnt it =) I hear suse does. Is anyone interested in my "steps to installing a sparc over a network" admitedly its for openbsd, but 80% of it is OS independant (eg. network settings and sparc bios stuff) Dean Mark Willis wrote: Hello Everyone, Want to break of of the Lintel (wintel) monopoly? Well here is your chance! ComputerBank-NSW currently has just under a dozen Sun and SGI workstations that need good homes. This Saturday (3rd Feb) we will be holding a workshop in Terry Collins garage at Campbeltown to sort through the equipment ... maybe even try a Linux install. Everyone is welcome, if you have Sun/SGI experience we would love to have you there, likewise if you are just interested or wish to get hold of one of these boxes that you lust after, then your are more than welcome. Basically anyone who is prepared to pay the suggested value and helps out on Saturday gets first priority. After that the hardware will be distributed to people prepared to pay that suggested value of the equipment. If you don't think the hardware is worth the suggested value or you cannot afford it, make an offer, all bids will be considered on their merit. Value $275 3 Sparc 10 (each w/ 20" monitor) $200 1 Sparc 10 (no disk, no keyboard no monitor) $200 1 Sparc Classic (w/ 20" monitor) $200 1 Sparc LX (w/ 15" monitor) $125 1 Sparc 1+ (w/ 17" monitor) $125 1 Sparc IPX (w/ 17" monitor) $125 1 Sparc IPC (w/ 17" monitor) $75 1 Sparc 2 (no memory, no keyboard no monitor) $50 4 half-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) $??? 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) For further details contact Terry Collins or me at: "Mark Willis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Terry Collins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Mark -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Driver for Ensoniq Maestro 3i PCI audio drive
www.alsa-project.org if its supported, alsa will likely cover it (dont build a box without it) Dean Jin Ting Liew wrote: me again... does anyone know where I can find a driver for the laptop sound card mentioned in the subject? I use Redhat 7 - it's sndconfig program can detect the soundcard, but then tells me that it is not supported. Ensoniq has been taken over by Creative, but neither make Linux drivers for their hardware. I have done some searching on the web for one, but to no avail. Does anyone know where I can get a driver for this soundcard? thanks Jin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Perl + Mysql + Strftime
Im trying to get a value from a timestamp field into a format that strftime can manipulate. UNIX_TIMESTAMP(field) doesnt seem to produce a value strftime can use. If you hadnt guessed im in (mod) perl Id prefer not to have to use mysqls time functions to extract the values needed. Strftime gives me the flexibility i need ;) Thanks guys Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Perl + Mysql + Strftime
Thats not the problem heres an example... #!/usr/bin/perl use POSIX; print strftime "%d","980596729"; 980596729 is the value give when i go select UNIX_TIMESTAMP(time) from database. i get this error Usage: POSIX::strftime(fmt, sec, min, hour, mday, mon, year, wday = -1, yday = -1, isdst = -1) at ./test.pl line 7. which is because the number given to strftime should be like 1910103101013301 select time from database (time is a timestamp) gives a number MMDDHHMMSS eg 20011010101010 im happy to get either to a format strftime can understand Dean John Clarke wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 08:49:34PM +1100, Dean Hamstead wrote: Im trying to get a value from a timestamp field into a format that strftime can manipulate. Here's an example from the perlfunc man page: use POSIX qw(strftime); $now_string = strftime "%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Y", gmtime; If you want local time, you'd obviously use localtime() in place of gmtime(). Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Perl + Mysql + Strftime
Thanks John!
Dean
John Clarke wrote:
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 10:11:46AM +1100, Dean Hamstead wrote:
Thats not the problem
Sorry, my misunderstanding ...
localtime() and gmtime() will convert a Unix timestamp to hours, minutes,
seconds etc, which is exactly what strftime needs:
[johnc@dropbear ~]$ perl -e 'use POSIX; print strftime("%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Y",
localtime(980596729)), "\n"'
Sat Jan 27 22:58:27 2001
Another way, if you merely want the time formatted like that and don't
want a custom format, is to use the output of localtime() or gmtime()
in a scalar context:
[johnc@dropbear ~]$ perl -e 'print scalar(localtime(980596729)),"\n"'
Sat Jan 27 22:58:27 2001
Cheers,
John
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla 0.7 Bug or works as designed.
No. This is valid behaviour - its peforming a URI encoding. Just NS4.x doesn't URI encode '.', but Mozilla 0.7 does. Your CGI handlers should decode these automatically. Ok but when I try to login to a bunch of sites around the place I get errors about my login e-mail address being invalid. Given I don't manage the software on these boxes is there anything I can do? Is there an option in Mozilla to turn URI encoding off until these sites are URI enabled? Or am I stuck with using NS4.x to access these sites? If for some reason the function is using the get method than you could manually submit the data and force . to be a . In theory all form data should be converted from %XX (hex?) format into characters at some point. Most environments provide this for you (servelts do, php does, CGI.pm for perl does it). Use an older browser and complain to them =) Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Web browsing stupidity [was Re: [SLUG] Greetings. New user question.]
netscape 4.75 is pretty damn rock solid. Although ive found that it has become less stable since i first installed linux (2 years ago) and its most likely some underlying library quirk. Im totally hooked on mozilla. Mozilla m17 was good, m18 was better, 0.6 was batter again and 0.7 absolutely takes the IE to its knees. Netscape 6 on windows still blows IE out of the water on everything ive seen. javascript is a lil shakey in mozilla, and im yet to install java in it. But net6 atleast has a decent JVM. IE lacks moz/nn's new security manager, as do konqueror and most other linux browsers. Moz's security manager has / should shake IE up a bit and i wouldnt be suprised if ie 6 replicates its functionality. Moz composer is also pretty good although buggy. I beleive Mozilla also conforms to w3c standards and http 1.1 unlike IE in some (maybe all) cases. If your looking up heaps of porn / warez and youve got javascript on then yes id say IE may be a little better at taking it. But i prefer a browser that doesnt link into my kernel. I also prefer an OS that i can rely on ;) www.mozilla.org try 0.7, it will rock your world ;) Dean Andrew Reilly wrote: On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 04:00:05PM +1100, enterfornone wrote: it's certainly pre-beta at present. Netscape 4 is a joke. I'll use Lynx or wget if I need to quickly look up a URL without rebooting. At present if I'm going to be doing any serious web browsing I need to reboot. Not because IE can render things that the others can't, but because Linux still lacks a stable and responsive web browser (not counting Lynx and friends). Either you're doing something wrong, or you and I visit an entirely disjoint set of web sites. The latter is more likely, I admit. I won't speak for random Netscape-4 under Linux here, but I'm currently using Netscape-4.76 on FreeBSD and it simply doesn't crash. It does everything that I want, as fast as the bits can come over the wire. This machine (my day-to-day workstation) doesn't get rebooted for anything except kernel upgrades and lightning storms. -- Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Web browsing stupidity [was Re: [SLUG] Greetings. New user question.]
Javascript is different, and ive found most javascript mucks about. IE did the same to netscape but IE has taken over. I dont believe that a 'standard' should hold back progress (if you want to call it that) SSL works fine in moz 0.7 (/me logs into sourceforge) and personal security manager now works (although i think its just been cut and pasted from netscape). That added to password, cookie, form and image managers =) Image manager is cool, say good bye to doubleclick.net with ease. It is bloat ware though, but im not fussed =) http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ quotes... 001115 Netscape has released Netscape 6, with one of the best CSS implementations to date. 000327 Microsoft shipped Internet Explorer 5 for the Macintosh. It apparently supports full CSS1, the first browser to do so. At least that got it right somewhere ;) Dean Andrew Reilly wrote: On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 09:04:50PM +1100, Dean Hamstead wrote: I beleive Mozilla also conforms to w3c standards and http 1.1 unlike IE in some (maybe all) cases. I don't know enough javascript to get myself out of whatever trouble it can get you into, but the Web guy at work curses Netscape-6 around the block, for introducing a document object model that is apparently different to both ie and ns-4. As I said, I don't really know what he's trying to do, but I've seen him poring over reams of javascript code, so I have to assume that he has more of a clue about this than I do. I don't know how that issue interacts with putative W3C standards at all. www.mozilla.org try 0.7, it will rock your world ;) I also have 0.7 and galeon built and running. I haven't got the security thing into either of them, so they can't do https: pages for me yet, so I still have to keep NS-4.76 around. Doesn't do java yet either, but I'm not so concerned about that. I haven't seen any serious uses for it in web pages. Mostly annoying animated buttons or the like. It also has a bug in its IMAP client that makes it ask for message -1 under some conditions. That condition persists until you quit the program and restart it. Apart from that it _is_ a nice mail client. Still slow as a wet week, though. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Greetings. New user question.
Greetings. I am new to both this mailing list and to Linux. I am striving to have a Microsoft (opps, I said that dirty word) free computer. good luck! :) If you really want to become MS free then just format and dont install windows. Jumping straight into the deep end is the best way to achieve a windowless existance IMO. Id grab all the howtos and mini-howtos. The linux doc project provides excellent information on every aspect of linux. I can only recommend them. My printer, HP Deskjet 600C is supported, however I still cant get it working. Could someone please step me through the process of setting up a printer. I tryed the HOW TOs on the net, but I am even more confused now. what have you tried? where do you get up to before you get confused? what errors are you seeing? printtool has always worked well for me. you can hand edit /etc/printcap man printcap for details linuxconf may also have a print configuration tool, however vi and pico work just fine for me. Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Web browsing stupidity [was Re: [SLUG] Greetings. New user question.]
Haha, cant surf the web in linux, you should be a comedian. heres a tip www.mozilla.org most dists install netscape by default. I honestly cant think of anything windows has over linux. maybe divx, ill give windows divx for now as libavifile is kinda shakey. Windows has mastered crashing, and successfully bogging down any hardware combo you can throw at it (is windows 2000 any faster to you than win 311 was?) In the LDP acrhives there is an admin and a users guide. read these. Dean If you really want to become MS free then just format and dont install windows. Jumping straight into the deep end is the best way to achieve a windowless existance IMO. Until you find that you really ned to do something that can't easily be done under Linux (like surf the web) and you have to repartition and reinstall doze. *sigh* Who let this troll onto the list? Its not even subtle. let me see... browsing the web with Linux... First, we have netscape 4.7, netscape 6 (for the insane), mozilla, arena, konquerer, gnome-help and opera for the GUI inclined Then we also have Links, Lynx and w3 (w3 also works pseudo-gui-like for the insane) for the text-mode people. [of course, I have missed some] What do I use? lynx, links and netscape 4.7 My personal opinion is if it can't be viewed in a recent Netscape 4.x, then they're obviously doing something wrong. And no, you can't use the "but shockwave/flash doesn't work under NS4.x under linux" argument, because there is a plug-in availible. Now don't you dare tell me that browsing is hard. C. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Ogg Vorbis Pluggins / Debian (PPC)
if source is provided i cant see there being any problems. Dean Craige McWhirter wrote: Hope everyone's had a good weekend thus far. I'm converting my MP3 library into Ogg Vorbis land. GRIP does a nice job using oggenc (from "Vorbis Tools") of ripping and encoding (aside from the fact that ogg123 won't play the resulting ogg files but they are sweet when using cplay - which is just a front end to ogg123 - bizare). My real problem is XMMS pluggins. I'd like to use the Vorbis pluggin provided on the Ogg Vorbis website but is appears to be not compatable with my Debian(PPC) architecture. Does anyone have a copy of the libvorbis.so XMMS pluggin for PPC or know of a source for it? I don't mind cplay but I think the rest of my family want something a bit "prettier". -- Cheers, Craige. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Good web design package
CodeCommander has syntax highlighting with a html template Mozilla's composer is fairly reasonably, although you have to get used to its misbehaviours Dean James Gifford wrote: Hi I'm trying to wean myself off Windows. Does anyone know of web design software similar to Dreamweaver for Linux? James Gifford -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] like we care but....
They are exercising their "freedom to innovate" Dean Andrew Best wrote: Anyone able to get to the M$s DNS servers? I cant get a response from them at all from here. ;; ANSWER SECTION: microsoft.com. 5h9m1s IN NSDNS7.CP.MSFT.NET. microsoft.com. 5h9m1s IN NSDNS6.CP.MSFT.NET. microsoft.com. 5h9m1s IN NSDNS4.CP.MSFT.NET. microsoft.com. 5h9m1s IN NSDNS5.CP.MSFT.NET. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: DNS7.CP.MSFT.NET. 1d10h15m14s IN A 207.46.138.21 DNS6.CP.MSFT.NET. 1d10h15m14s IN A 207.46.138.20 DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET. 9h23m57s IN A 207.46.138.11 DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET. 5h48m4s IN A207.46.138.12 Can you see whats wrong with this picture? Maybe [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be given a lesson in simple DNS setup? -- Andrew Best - Systems Engineer Pacific Internet (Australia) Pty Ltd - http://www.pacific.net.au You say 'Hail a Hungarian tourist' A Hungarian tourist says 'My [hovercraft] is [full of eels]' -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] slightly off topic php/apache question
You can only use the get method through server side includes post wont work. (cookies work though ssi i might add) so talk straight to the script Dean blinddog wrote: I am just after hopefully a quick answer to a php/apache question. I have just begun dabbling in Linux over the past few months and have now begun also dabbling with my apache server , php, mysql, which brings me to my question. I am doing an insert into a database using my broser for the entry screen I I get the following error after submitting the form "The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL /index.shtml." What am I missing? Thanx Andrew Dodds -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Slug Tonight
Is anyone from the blue mountains area going to slug tonight? It would be nice to have a train buddy rather than my trusty sony discman. Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT: MS hacked again
The Microsoft doesnt need to be hacked, asl quake players might say "it owns itself" meaning no one needs to mock it as it does a good enough job already =) freedom to innovation lol freedom to purchase innovations Dean Alan Lee wrote: server1:~$ whois microsoft.com [whois.internic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.COM MICROSOFT.COM.SE.FAIT.HAX0RIZER.PAR.TOUT.LE.ZOY.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.OWNED.BY.MAT.HACKSWARE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.N-AIME.BILL.QUE.QUAND.IL.N-EST.PAS.NU MICROSOFT.COM.MUST.STOP.TAKEDRUGS.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SOON.GOING.TO.THE.DEATHCORPORATION.COM MICROSOFT.COM.IS.SECRETLY.RUN.BY.ILLUMINATI.TERRORISTS.NET MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NOTHING.BUT.A.MONSTER.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.IS.NO.MATCH.FOR.THE.UEBER-GEEKS.AT.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.IS.BORING.COMPARED.TO.TEENEXTREME.COM MICROSOFT.COM.IS.AT.THE.MERCY.OF.DETRIMENT.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.INSPIRES.COPYCAT.WANNABE.SUBVERSIVES.NET MICROSOFT.COM.HAS.NO.LINUXCLUE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.PSYKOJOKO.ON.A.ROOT-NETWORK.COM MICROSOFT.COM.HACKED.BY.HACKSWARE.COM MICROSOFT.COM.GUTS.NL MICROSOFT.COM.FAIT.VRAIMENT.DES.LOGICIELS.A.TROIS.FRANCS.DOUZE.ORG MICROSOFT.COM.ER.IKKE.NO.I.FORHOLD.TIL.LATHANS.NET MICROSOFT.COM.AINT.WORTH.SHIT.KLUGE.ORG MICROSOFT.COM To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record. Last update of whois database: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:04:40 EST The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. - Original Message - From: "Damien Gardner Jnr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: MS hacked again On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 12:34:05PM +1100, Rick Welykochy said: -- offtopic topic="MS hacked" -- try a whois microsoft -- /offtopic Looks normal to me...? Remember that 'whois microsoft' will return a list of all entries which match.. - domains, hosts, etc, so all the extra entries you're seeing are hosts which people have registered... Wasn't this on slashdot about six months ago? :) Regards, Damien Gardner Jnr - Dip.EE StudIEAust [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.rendrag.net/ Ph: 0417 055 052 - Fax: 02 6255 8663 -- I'm trying to imagine you with a personality. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] So im not at linux.conf - LattisHubs
I got another email about them, so i finally made a site http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/usrpages/Dean/synoptics.html Id appreciate any links, pics and info you may have. Dean -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Dial-in network browsing
the proxyarp option in ppp helps =) and as has been mentioned, use of wins servers helps if your using ipx over ppp i got nothing =) Dean Alister Waller wrote: Hi, Is it possible to have a user dialed in to Linux Server over a PPP conection browse using network neighborhood as if they were one of the normal users on the network?? If so, how? If not what would be a way to enable them access to samba shares on the main server? RH 6.2 regards Alister -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools
By that you mean playing with hardware? Configuring systems? Installing software? Making cat5 etc? Well what was the 'computers-in-society' did this. Teaching kids how to click file, then open etc. 2u and 3u computers is supposed to be computing theory and logic the courses didnt have programming components, only psuedo code. Teachers just graced kids with programming as a practical example of the use of this material. Computing studies is now dead though. Its now 3? different subject one being software, or VB as it should actually be called. Dean David Murphy wrote: Yeah flow charts and algorithms are great if you want to be a coder but what about the rest of us who cant code to save themselves but would have liked to have learned a few more practical skills at school? I did computing and got nothing out of it.. -Original Message- From: Dean Hamstead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:29 AM To: David Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools I think its a very per-school thing. Having just finished high school i though comput*ing* studies (which is now a string of other subjects) was reasonable. The subject studies computing, and as such you learn pseudo-code flow charts, you also learn elementry stuff about error checking and correction. in 9 - 10 we "learned" basic then pascal (but who didnt start using basic when they were like 7) i did 3u computers. 3u computers wasnt much of a step from 2u just add in railroad charts and the 5 langauge generations and your on to your HSC. My 2u teacher was (is) a Netware nut. He also *loves* HP. Fortunately he can back it up with a damn good knowledge of computers and yes we did get him to try linux *grin* (but when you get netware free anyway) My 3u teacher was an AI programmer and wrote M_Bank (something like that) which is a add on thingy for ms word. Which makes generating exams, and exam result sheets stupidly easy (the good bit was the highly accurate diagrams built from the question data) He didnt give a stuff about OS's and stuff. He just *really* knew how to program and let us use whaever we wanted for our major's. I used pascal cos im lazy (i thought about perl, in retrospect java wouldnt have been a bad option) others used delphi, c (on beos) and vb. My high school was pretty good in the computers dept., which is good for a selective school. Unfortunately a teachers wage isnt as good as your average IT job =( Dean David wrote: I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political stands on computer literacy. For some reason, Australian politicians have NO idea about the need for serious computer studies. My 17 year old son spent one whole year doing computer studies and came out not knowing how to create a web page (even using WYSIWYG editors) or understanding spreadsheeting, or even how to use the 'net for research. How far behind are we going to get? He got some obscure theory and that was it. This is not about pushing Linux, but it is about the future of the lucky country - nothing less. The state government, as I understand it from radio reports, is running a PILOT program on computer literacy - my god! where have they been the last ten years? Meantime, I heard recently that UNSW is discarding plans to run on-line teaching. (hearsay - I hope I'm wrong), and downsizing it's in-house staff computer training (again hearsay, but I'm told they think it isn't necessary). I know this is not a political list, but sometimes I think community groups have obligations to do some arse-kicking. /rant David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools
year 11-12 is about getting into uni upto year 10 is about having basic skills and knowledge. so no, not really. computing studies was a course designed to not change and much omcputing theory doesnt. flow control is still flow control, be it on an athlon, alpha or atari (that was kinda cool). "employable" skills are taught in the lesser course (comparable to maths in society). Skills such as how to use a computer etc. If you cant to this then 2+u is too much Its not supposed to make unix admins, just teach kids how to use a computer (assuming zero knowledge, like every other subject) and giving the smarter kids a chance to get some understanding of whats going on. Dean David Murphy wrote: Dean, I think this is the crux of the whole agruement. 2u + 3u computing is theoretical and this indicates a large void in the education of our youth in the technology areas that are now standard and required knowledge in industry. Education is about being employable isnt it? Murf Dean Hamstead wrote: 2u and 3u computers is supposed to be computing theory and logic the courses didnt have programming components, only psuedo code. Teachers just graced kids with programming as a practical example of the use of this material. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linux.conf.au diary
Slug this coming monday then?? Same time/place with a few extra faces and me playing the openbsd bigot =P Dean Jamie Honan wrote: Was someone going to organise a SLUG BOAF? I saw Jamie around but he is the only person I recognise, there had to be a lot of other sluggers there. I think there might be another BOAF session on Friday. Is BOAF same as BOF? The Monday meeting looks definitely ON. Apparantly the room at UTS is booked, and several people giving talks are coming along. Conrad is O/S, Anand and Jeff have to make up lost time at their respective works, and have asked if maybe I can fill in. So Monday night, 22nd at the usual room at UTS where we meet will be our post conference BOF, wrap-up, retrospective. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [IMP] Meeting, Monday 22nd January - YOUR LUG NEEDS YOU!
have one of those impromptu thingys (i think i even spelt that right) that would be cool, and possibly very funny maybe a FAQ night. Dean Jeff Waugh wrote: Hi all, It seems that no one is interested in having a SLUG meeting on the 22nd, to which we could invite many of our overseas and local speakers... Could this be true? I hope not. Most of the SLUG committee have been involved in the organisation of linux.conf.au, and been very busy for the last 8 months putting it together. Needless to say, we're going to be *exceptionally* busy in the next week. It would be great to have a smaller meeting for just 'us SLUGgers', to hear from and chat with the great people who are out here. Many of them enjoy going to LUG meetings around the world, and Sydney shouldn't disappoint. If you'd like to help organise a meeting for Monday, 22nd January, *please* reply to this email so we can get it going. Of course, if you're coming to linux.conf.au, you can grab one of the organisers (funny looking people in blue shirts) to tell them your ideas. - Jeff Waugh linux.conf.au Faceless Organiser #3.14 SLUG Committee Member -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- I must be getting old... Buying toothpaste with gel in it is no longer an Absolute Necessity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
ge = generic perhaps? generic tty? m for modem? modem generic teletype Dean Jill Rowling wrote: Well you've caught me out on that one. I figured that getty is just a get from a serial device but I didn't work out the "m" bit. Disclaimer: I have used modems a lot (even designed them) and Linux/Unix a lot but I don't use the two together much! TTY: Yes, teletype. I have used these beasts as the serial console in the dark ages. They were current loop interface, though, not RS-232. I think the name "tty" for the serial device stuck though as the Bell Labs people probably liked the TLA. Teletypewriter services are still offered by some organisations however you get a serial terminal / computer, not a clunky electromechanical teletype. I think if I were designing the interface from scratch, I might have called it /dev/ser rather than /dev/tty, but then I never worked for Bell. Regards, Jill. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] [ot] fixing apm the ms way
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/apm98/apmflagreset.asp this is just bizare Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PAM and SAMBA
man smb.conf /ldap o ldap filter o ldap port o ldap root o ldap root passwd o ldap server o ldap suffix did you check all these? Dean James Peter Gregory wrote: hi all, I'm trying to set up a network here using LDAP as an authentication suppository. My current problem is this. I can use PAM to authenticate stuff against the LDAP database, but I can't get Samba to use PAM to authenticate. Can someone please tell me how to do this? I've been looking everywhere and can't find any documentation for it. It appears to be using the smbpasswd file no matter what I do. I really don't want to keep two databases of passwords, and I really don't want to use pam_samba to authenticate everything else against samba, because our clients need to use ldap for other things as well. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PAM and SAMBA
Perhaps you should be posting questions such as this
to the samba mailing lists. Although i do think AT
and a few other samba-heads watch SLUG.
Dean
James Peter Gregory wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Marty wrote:
man smb.conf
/ldap
o ldap filter
o ldap port
o ldap root
o ldap root passwd
o ldap server
o ldap suffix
did you check all these?
and, using google, this looked promising
http://www.unav.es/cti/ldap-smb-howto.html
Ok, first of all I'm not looking at LDAP authentication directly because
to do that you have to use an experimental branch of samba, and that's not
acceptable for this project. So all the mentioned sections of man smb.conf
aren't really relevant (but yes I did look through the man page).
Furthermore, when I was looking at said man page I couldn't help but
notice the word experimental in capital letters and coloured bright
purple.
if you do ./configure --with-ldap on the 2.07 release of samba it will
give you an error saying that ldap is not supported in this release (I
find it slightly more concerning that there is a --with-ldap flag on the
configure for openldap, but I digress).
ie
checking whether to use PAM password database... yes
checking whether to use LDAP password database... yes
configure: error: LDAP password database not supported in this version.
[root@beast source]#
My situation at the moment is that I think the way to go is to get samba
to authenticate against PAM. There is a pam_ldap module which I'm using on
my development machine, and it works very well. Compiling with --with-pam
throws no errors. Looking at the symbols that are in the executables it
produces, it would appear that it has indeed been built into the server.
In fact, I've also been reading the source code of samba's password
checking code. I've found the function which does the pam authentication
and another function which claims to be the core of the password checking
code. That function is quite interesting. Take a look (from
source/passdb/pass_check.c):
static BOOL password_check(char *password)
{
#ifdef WITH_PAM
/* ... comment which will be relevant if we ever get this working
*/
return (pam_auth(this_user,password));
#endif /* WITH_PAM */
/* ... */
and then there are a whole lot of other authentication methods. WITH_PAM
is defined. In fact, I put a #define at the start of the file to ensure
that it was, only to be informed by the compiler that it had already been
done. Anyway, if pam is defined, the function should return right there.
Needless to say, this is not ocurring. I put in a few lines at the top of
that function which basically opened a file and wrote a message to it. The
message never got written.
I've found patches to the 2.2 tree to fix the configure to add pam
support, but nothing for the 2.0x series. Does anyone know anything about
this, or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely here?
tia.
James.
later
marty
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Re: [SLUG] Computer Literacy in Schools
I think its a very per-school thing. Having just finished high school i though comput*ing* studies (which is now a string of other subjects) was reasonable. The subject studies computing, and as such you learn pseudo-code flow charts, you also learn elementry stuff about error checking and correction. in 9 - 10 we "learned" basic then pascal (but who didnt start using basic when they were like 7) i did 3u computers. 3u computers wasnt much of a step from 2u just add in railroad charts and the 5 langauge generations and your on to your HSC. My 2u teacher was (is) a Netware nut. He also *loves* HP. Fortunately he can back it up with a damn good knowledge of computers and yes we did get him to try linux *grin* (but when you get netware free anyway) My 3u teacher was an AI programmer and wrote M_Bank (something like that) which is a add on thingy for ms word. Which makes generating exams, and exam result sheets stupidly easy (the good bit was the highly accurate diagrams built from the question data) He didnt give a stuff about OS's and stuff. He just *really* knew how to program and let us use whaever we wanted for our major's. I used pascal cos im lazy (i thought about perl, in retrospect java wouldnt have been a bad option) others used delphi, c (on beos) and vb. My high school was pretty good in the computers dept., which is good for a selective school. Unfortunately a teachers wage isnt as good as your average IT job =( Dean David wrote: I believe groups such as SLUG owe it to the community to make political stands on computer literacy. For some reason, Australian politicians have NO idea about the need for serious computer studies. My 17 year old son spent one whole year doing computer studies and came out not knowing how to create a web page (even using WYSIWYG editors) or understanding spreadsheeting, or even how to use the 'net for research. How far behind are we going to get? He got some obscure theory and that was it. This is not about pushing Linux, but it is about the future of the lucky country - nothing less. The state government, as I understand it from radio reports, is running a PILOT program on computer literacy - my god! where have they been the last ten years? Meantime, I heard recently that UNSW is discarding plans to run on-line teaching. (hearsay - I hope I'm wrong), and downsizing it's in-house staff computer training (again hearsay, but I'm told they think it isn't necessary). I know this is not a political list, but sometimes I think community groups have obligations to do some arse-kicking. /rant David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
on the subject of mgetty, whilst pottering about on google doing searches like "history of mgetty" and not finding anything i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name like Michael etc. Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The origins of vmlinuz and mgetty
someone could just email him and ask =) since he still maintains mgetty i can only assume hes alive Dean Ken Yap wrote: |i came to think that peraps m stands for MIT, or alt. someones name |like Michael etc. Not MIT, the author was a German, Gert Doering. His name, possibly, but it would have to be a middle initial or his mother's name or maybe even his site muc.de. People do name things that could possibly be a references to themselves, kind of a sly attempt at immortality. The French discover of gallium said that he named it after France (Gaul), but his name was LeCoq (Gallus) so it's suspected he wanted to sneak his name into the periodic table. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: web proxy filtering, was [SLUG] Re: Telstra
Im pretty sure squid will use more memory if it has too i recall reading something to that effect when configuring PCC's proxy cluster. Squids FAQ is pretty ace ;) Dean Squid. That would explain trhe delay - swapping. I think squid designed more for using lots of memory, and many users. But check the manual - you can probably change the config to use less memory. I've already set cache_mem to 2 MB. Despite this, it's using 23 MB. Has anybody compared different web proxy filters lately? Does squid have any advantages for home/single-user use? It has the advantage of allowing me to use the same proxy software at work and home, and to copy (with minor tweaks) the config files. The proxy is on my router/firewall. It doesn't get logged into, let alone run X! Then 16MB ought to be plenty. You dont need ram to cach web pages. So I thought. But it's chewing up a fair bit. Regards, Richard Permanent: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hubs, switches etc
As far as im awair netgear dont stock any managed switches. Their market is SOHO stuff. BONG lans run off netgear (hence some bias) switches 85 people + 7 servers, all 10/100 fd ran sweet as as youd expect, lots of file transfer, gaming needs low latency and pings are the same as a cross over cable. We also have several at PCL which have taken over from 3com switches (10 meg switches... we dont use management) and run quite nicely. D-Links prices are also very similar and i havent heard of any grief with their switches (their NIC's are another story). Infact i havent really found a switch that was bad. Most are better than a hub Dean Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 03:59:48AM +1100, Dean Hamstead ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Youll want switches probably when you can fill a 16 port hub (dependant on just how much traffic is moving about) Both switches are already filled except 1 spot on each although the walls of one office aren't quite up yet but they wil be in 2 months. [snip] Netgear 8 ports are less than 300 and im yet to hear any problems. Infact Netgears range is great (value and quality) if you dont need management. With management do you mean setting up the switch from a console (ie some other machine??). I had a look on their site. Everything is HTML or PDF based, its very clearly laid out and they have enough other info How do netgear perform in a medium sized business? jobst -- * help! I've fallen over and I can't SIGHUP! |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] TTF in X4
Ive loaded the freetype module. and my ttf dir is in the fontpath i get the impression more work is needed but as far as i can see its undocumented on the X4 site. Please someone tell me im wrong and/or what to do to get some ttf action Dean "gimp just aint the same without ttf's" Hamstead -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Cannot open Shared libraries
run ldconfig then try again Dean Scott Ragen wrote: Hey all, I installed Xfree86 4.0.1 and after setup I have recieved this error; "xinit: error in loading shared libraries: libXmu.so.6: cannot open shared object" I havn't seen this error before, and has stumped me. any help would be gratefull Scott. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Web Server Tuning
Do you mean servlets or java through CGI Sun has an official jdk port for linux and the JSDK runs on linux (i think it may be platform independant) Dean Daron Barndon wrote: In addition to my earlier post, does anyone have any detail on how to tune a Linux (probably RH) box particulalary to server dynamic web pages and JAVA? Is there an optimised JAVA you can purchase (or download) for linux? Thanks Daron Barndon Systems Administrator BTLkSmart L7/241 Commonwealth St Surry Hills NSW 2010 Australia Phone: +6192820206 Fax: +6192820222 Mobile: +61416041017 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] HTML Templates (java)
Basically what i want is a substitute function. Like 'replace()' but for strings rather than characters. I would like the servlet to open up a template file replace keys with strings (which are values taken from a database... not that that matters) then print the resulting data to the browsing client. In this way i can liberate input and output data forms from the servlet allowing others to change them with no knowledge of java, nor needing to recompile etc. Infact the changes would be basically on the fly. Did that make sense? Anyway. With perl i would probably do something *like* ... $value =~ s/key/$value/g; (please note the *like*) Thanks people Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Back and USB
USB Backport is in kernel 2.2.18 if not just wack on a 2.2.19 prepatch from ac and it will be in USB has its sub menu, under character devices and above Filesystems =) Turn on support for USB then configure your usb controller (if in doubt, put in both) Youll want preliminary usb devfs if you dont already use devfs (grin) and support for hot pluggable usb devices. I usually hard compile these in. Rhat likes modules but its all linux =) Then move on to the USB devices section and start enabling. You may also need i2c support, or video for linux. I havent used scanners, but my logitech quickcam (yes theres a v4l driver for them) needs usb and video for linux support (which is fine since i have a capture card on my v3tv... hence the tv. nyway) so yeah look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/usb tells you how to set up the needed devices nodes fstab etc. Dean Rev Simon Rumble wrote: Hi folks. Well I'm back on the list. The London LUG list is friendly and somewhat helpful but doesn't have the volume and depth of knowledge of SLUG. So now onto my question. I want to get USB working to get my brand new, shiny Epson Perfection 610U scanner running. I'm having some trouble. My first thought was to run the new 2.4.0 kernel, but then ppp doesn't work on my Debian system. Is there somewhere I can set it to be backwards compatible in the same way the you can with NAT (make it ipchains or ipfwadm compatible). The other option is to use the 2.2.x backport of the USB code. Only thing is, I can't seem to work out how to turn on the options in make menuconfig/xconfig. There's USB stuff in the source tree in drivers/usb but no option to compile it in. Do I need to apply a patch or something? In case it's relevent, I'm using the Debian kernel source packages. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Which Linux disto on a Sun Ultra 10 ?
Sparc based RH dists are now "community" based or something. Meaning that they dont look after it but they are happy for people to do the work for them. Something like that anyway. Dean David Kempe wrote: hi All, I am interested in finding out which Linux disto are poeple using for their Sun box, say an Ultra 10 We had RH6.0 on an Ultra 10 machine with RAID 5 Storage Edge and its time to upgrade it. RH doesn't do sparc anymore. Redhat 7 doesnt do sparc yet, but i wouldn't use it on intel either atm. Wait for 7.2 for that i guess 6.2 does sparc... at least according to http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-6.2/sparc/ 6.2 with all the updates/patches applied is pretty nice. Hope that helps, dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 2.2.18 kernel and AGP video cards?
it should be in by default if not its in the ac patches, otherwise just get the patches from the utah-glx? site. its a character device possibly experimental Dean DaZZa wrote: Folks. Anyone know if the AGP support is available in the 2.2.18 kernel, and if so where you enable it? DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 2.2.18 kernel and AGP video cards?
Im pretty sure the reiser patches should work they problee do otherwise they would release a new one try and see (im interested also) Dean DaZZa wrote: On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote: it should be in by default if not its in the ac patches, otherwise just get the patches from the utah-glx? site. its a character device possibly experimental 'S ok, I can't use the 2.2.18 kernel source I've got anyway - it doesn't have reiserfs support in it, and I can't be stuffed getting the patches. :-) Just compiled it for nothing without realising it - and lost most of my filesystem when I rebooted. 'S a good thing I always keep my old kernel. :) DaZZa -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 2.2.18 kernel and AGP video cards?
theres a patch for 2.2.18 ftp://ftp.lugoj.org/pub/reiserfs/devlinux.com/pub/namesys/linux-2.2.18-reiserfs-3.5.29-patch.gz Dean DaZZa wrote: nOn Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote: http://www.namesys.com/ I find that the main ftp server is usually ahead a version Yeah, I found it - well, I found it for 2.2.17 anyway. I'll see if I can hack it into 2.2.18. Thanks DaZZa -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 2.2.18 compilation problems.
Try ac patching the kernel
(reverse reiser first)
and trying turning stuff on and off
sometimes compiling as a module doesnt
work for me. worth fiddling with
Dean
DaZZa wrote:
Sluggers.
Any kernel hackers/people who know how C works can tell me what in hell is
wrong here?
On compiling a 2.2.18 kernel {with reiserfs patches apparently
successfully applied}, I get this on doing make bzImage
consolemap.c: In function `con_set_default_unimap':
consolemap.c:541: structure has no member named `vc_eni_pagedir_loc'
consolemap.c:537: warning: `p' might be used uninitialized in this
function
make[3]: *** [consolemap.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.18/drivers/char'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.18/drivers/char'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_char] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.18/drivers'
make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2
Everything else appears to work fine - and a much simplier kernel compile
last night worked fine - so what'd I turn on that is broken?
DaZZa - starting to thing he's not supposed to update to 2.2.18
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Re: [SLUG] frame rate..
software specs please. Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi i am just wondering if anyone could guess what framerate i should be getting in quake 3 demo with. 800x600 all settings on the lower end. celeron 633 96mb of ram tnt2 m64 . with a voodoo2 which i borrowed i got about 20-30fps on average and with the new vid card(tnt2m64) i get the same.. is this right. i have a faint suspision that i have a buggy driver as i have seen a few other strange happenings but i just want to make sure that all the hardware is functioning correctly b4 i start anything drastic. thanks alot alex +--+ |u never have to change anything you got up in the middle of the night | |to write. -- Saul Bellow | | | |Try to relax and enjoy the crisis. -- Ashleigh Brilliant | | | |If life is hard to stand- Try kneeling; | +--+ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI SQL tool
You can access any db you like in star office using a variety of drivers including JDBC drivers Havent used it though. Dean Grahame Kelly wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, John Ferlito wrote: Anyone know of a GUI tool to edit DB contents? Basically I'm after something that will do a select on the whole table, then display that in a spreadsheet type format which I can edit inline and it will then update the changes. Basically I'm feeling lazy and that way I don't have to write a whole heap of embperl to do it for me. Preferbaly for postgres. There are KDE tools for MySQL, and I think for Postgres under SuSe distribution. Cheers -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email Server
First, lets verify with the maths: a 56K modem's uplink is 33.6Kbps, 10 bits per byte [due to Async framing]. thats a maximum transfer speed of 3.3KB/sec. your 12K message would take approximately 3 seconds (actually, a little over) to transmit. Next, let's re-verify the maths. Async framing went out with the loaves and fishes. Ever since MNP4, modem links have been synchronous, clocking in at 8 + epsilon bits to transfer each byte of data. But wait, there's more! Ever since MNP5, modem links have been compressed. Modem compression isn't really worth all that much, except in the very limited realm of repetitive plain text. Like email, to pick a random example. And what better way to make it repetitive than to send the same thing to n destinations? The point is still valid regardless of the transfer method. Yes. Aliases are most easily managed via the older aliases style. They're more space efficent. And I'm sure sendmail's alias hashes are faster to read too. By one person, for one person, yes. The thing about virtual domains, see, is that they're usually for the benefit of multiple owners. And these multiple owners, pesky and arrogant individuals that they are, want to make changes to delivery rules at odd hours of the morning with depressing regularity. There's something very, very appealing about putting all the control for any given domain in the hands of a separate user, and then washing your hands of the matter. But then, I'm an anti-control freak. black vs white. choose whats appropriate, thus the value of opensource. And the qualitative difference between monitoring disk space alone or disk space and inode count is what, exactly? The median mail message weighs in at 3-4k in size. The average big ext2 filesystem comes formatted with one inode per 4k of disk space. Good match, wouldn't you say? If your running big mail servers lots of disk is important anyway, but saving it is still good. mbox isnt great, i like maildir and most apps have been adapted or writen for maildir support. qmail can run as mbox anyway, and if your really desperate you could just pop into your local machine. Also, most POP3 and IMAP daemons work with mbox, not mailfolder. Same with mailreaders. Boggle. How many POP3 daemons do you want to run? They don't exactly vary a huge amount in terms of featureset. As for IMAP - I can think of three major open source contenders off the top of my head. Of those, one may or may not be mbox only, but shouldn't be touched by a ten foot pole (as a security expert, I'm sure you know which one I'm talking about), one is maildir only, and one uses it's own entirely funky storage subsystem and glares daggers at any foreign software. There are pop / imap servers for both. what does it matter how many there are? And *NO* high performance system should ever run out of a inetd/tcpserver style system. You're introducing unnecessary overhead, and this *WILL* force your load up every time. Somebody go and count the cycles involved in half a dozen fork/execs - /especially/ under Linux - and compare it to the cost of fsyncing one block of data to disk. Reality check? depends on how things are implemented. No doubt some poor coding would make an inetd/tcpserver solution higher performance. and lazyiness is not an excuse. I don't care how much "more complicated" it would make qmail to do multiple envelope delivery, its is irresponsible to waste bandwidth when you could be saving it. Especially here. You've said a lot about mailing lists, and, with all due respect, grossly misrepresented dib's view on them (which directly relates to how and why qmail does what it does). I don't think large scale mailing lists are a topic of interest to the original poster, so I'll just say that djb did some rather extensive benchmarking and testing of his design versus the more orthodox approach, and documented his priorities and results quite extensively. m, who reluctantly withdrew a paper on large scale mail architecture from linux.conf.au recently. Crossfire spams for a living, he has some knowledge of MTA's and has caused me to reconsider my preferance of qmail (expecially after having recently installed exim as the mail relay for our exchange machines at PCL) Find whats good for you, if you dont like it attack the code with vi (or nano, i like nano) then recompile. Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mozilla 0.6
I've tried it on RH6.2 and it is a lot more stable and generally better but has a couple of nasty bugs. Any dialog/form that you enter a "." into gets converted into "%A9" which makes it really really hard to put your e-mail address into a form. Java Script still doesn't work for quite a lot of pages and the java plugin doesn't want to load, didn't have any luck with installing a new theme either. I havent seen the dot thing, and javascript seems ok for me. I turn java off anyway =) If you need java netscape 6 is pretty much moz 0.6 + java (ready set flame) Otherwise it's pretty quick. It renders pages like /. yahoo and SMH really really fast. Click on a link on one of these sites and the new page is there in like a second. I think the old netscape waited for images and stuff. Moz works like IE rendering as it goes. Hopeless on sites with large jpg backgrounds, NS4.75 is pretty quick on such a page ( 1-2 secs) but Mozilla 0.6 paints the background down slooolll... Some people would say that accomidating large backgrounds isnt a good thing. But i like how it tiles what it has and the tile spreads. very cool. The MUA is great. Does what I want which is allows me to combine pop and Imap mail boxes and change the from user (which it does automatically depending on which account you are currently in). I'm gonna start using it for this feature alone. I must say the mail client is good. I would like to see rule based mail routing when you send email. That would be cool (eg. if to *@hotmail.com send through x.x.x.x, if to @slug.org.au through x.x.x.x) Looking forward to 0.7, (I must say though since I upgraded to NS4.75 the memory leaks and crashes seemed to have been a lot fewer). Is still hogs though and the leaks are noticable. I think people should try it though. Its damned fine, and you can just copy your old plugins right in without any fuss. Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email Server
sendmail is installed on most systems by default. It works, and its not too bad when all is said and done im a fan of qmail and exim. i think exim maybe a little easier to set up but possibly qmail has more available software. www.qmail.org www.exim.org smail is supposed to be good have a look on freshmeat.net, have a fiddle with them and see what works for you. Dean Alan Lee wrote: Hey; Im looking for an email server, which is easy to install, easy to config, and keeps working. Its required to be able to support multipical domains, and would be nice to have a web interface to it.. .. What do other people use? Regards, Alan Lee -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email Server
Qmail has always been straight forward for me. Just follow the install docs and when its working start changing stuff =) (thats my policy when installing something new and/or unknown) Dean Alan Lee wrote: Qmail is what im using at the moment, I have 2 installs of it. One is working perfectly, but the other is haveing nothing but problems. The machine which dosn't have any problems whatso ever, is sitting on 64k ISDN, which we are going to terminate shortly in the new year. I have another machine sitting on 10mbit+ of bandwidth, which im trying to get qmail to work correctly. Its kidna buggering me up.. heh Regards, Alan Lee - Original Message - From: "Dean Hamstead" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Alan Lee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Email Server sendmail is installed on most systems by default. It works, and its not too bad when all is said and done im a fan of qmail and exim. i think exim maybe a little easier to set up but possibly qmail has more available software. www.qmail.org www.exim.org smail is supposed to be good have a look on freshmeat.net, have a fiddle with them and see what works for you. Dean Alan Lee wrote: Hey; Im looking for an email server, which is easy to install, easy to config, and keeps working. Its required to be able to support multipical domains, and would be nice to have a web interface to it.. .. What do other people use? Regards, Alan Lee -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mozilla
get the mozilla installer i like it =) move the file into /tmp mv mozilla*gz /tmp cd /tmp tar zxvf mozilla*gz cd created directory ./mozilla-install saves time... works for me and the installer package is smaller than the other *boggle* Dean "Adam F. Bogacki" wrote: Thanks Jeff. I was impressed with the speed of the download and all seemed to go well until I reached roughly the same point at which I experienced problems with the Netscape 6 download. As a Linux newbie I may be missing something which is obvious to many SLUG readers. I followed the Mozilla Install Instructions, creating a directory called 'mozilla' and moving the tar.gz file into it. mkdir mozilla mv mozilla*.tar.gz mozilla However, after changing to the mozilla directory and untarring the archive - which should have created the directory 'package' - I received the message "No such file or directory". I had the Mozilla Install instructions open below the Xterm so I am pretty sure I entered them correctly, although it was 2.00 A.M. this morning. I had two or three goes at it and my file directory tells me I now have two copies of mozilla-installer, and also of netscape-installer. I also noticed a copy of mozilla which may have been installed with RH6.2 but './mozilla' did not open it. Perhaps I was in the wrong directory. What seems to be happening ? [Life will probably be boring when I get it working.] Cheers, Adam. -Original Message- From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:28 AM To: Adam F. Bogacki Subject: Re: [SLUG] N4.73-N6.0 snip Where do I get a copy of Mozilla - 'mozilla.com' ? At your local mirror, mirror.aarnet.edu.au! :) I've split the link up onto two lines: ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au /pub/mozilla/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz Or there's "mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz" if you want the one with the installer. - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] nsa developes secure version of linux
OpenBSD people =) Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nsa developes secure version of linux Thats a bit misleading. Its more of a demo of certain security features, rather than a secure OS. well it's not a full blown linux distribution, and I haven't tried it, but it appears to be a set of patches you can install on RH6.1 and bob's your uncle. I also get the impression though that it's not finished or well polished etc. I'd say they're hoping there's enough interest in it from the open-source community to take it as a base to develope a full blown secure version of linux. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] [ot] Happy Christmas All!
Happy Christmass all! Have a safe and fun holiday (if you get one) Dean "Linux as a christmas present is very economical" Hamstead -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Not detecting all my RAM
mem just has to be equal to or less than how much physical ram is in your system. One byte more and the kernel will crash and burn. Lilo counts ram in using 1024, so 128MB is correct. cat /proc/meminfo gives me the same value as the ram check does. my lilo.conf.. boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda1 vga = normal read-only append="mem=128M" Im using a k6/2 450 on a gigabyte board. This is the only system ive had to use the mem=xxx append. I wouldnt get heaps stressed over a few k of ram. remember that you can experiemnt at the lilo prompt lilo: linux mem=XXXM youll see lots of kernel crashes but dont worry, nothing has been mounted to be damaged. Dean Howard Lowndes wrote: I guess this is not working because it uses 1024 bytes per KB and not 1000. I have definitely got append="mem=128M" to work [Note: not MB and not 131] I also believe that the value has to be adjusted downwards if your graphics card steals memory from your RAM but I cannot confirm that. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates http://lannetlinux.com "...well, it worked before _you_ touched it!" On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Bernhard Lüder wrote: Hi, Add a line to the lilo.conf append="mem=131039232" some will tell you these will also work, but I had no success: append="mem=131039KB" append="mem=131MB" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] XFree86
Did I miss it? Or has no one mentioned that X4.0.2 is out? Oh well, it is. I suppose yall read /. so its barely worth mentioning alsa 0.5.10 is alsa out with fixes when compiling for k 2.2.18 I also notice that a new reiser patch for 2.2.17 is out but hasnt seeped out through the mirrors yet (its not on aarnet anyway) probably worth grabing if your into reiserfs (or crashfs as ive come to call it *grin*) Dean "Too much source, not enough bandwidth" Hamstead -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Netgear FA310TX NIC
tulip Dean Michael Sztachanski wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to find a driver for the NETGEAR FA310TX NIC, any suggestions??? Thanks in advance. -- Michael Sztachanski Snr. Technical Engineer Turbolinux Aust. Pty Ltd Lvl1, 255 George Street, SYDNEY NSW Australia 2000 Ph: +61 2 9252 6011 Fx: +61 2 9252 6022 ++ + On the Sixth Day the GODs created LINUX + + and on the Seventh Day they rested and+ + surveyed what they had done and they saw + + that it was GOOD! + ++ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OK, so I'm Old School
gnapster is my personal favourite ive also used knapster and a java napster client. console based nap was my favourite for a long time but its binary only at last check (nap was good because it was fully functional while the gui based clients were still only chat clients) freshmeat.net Dean Howard Lowndes wrote: I have to admit it. I am old enough to be more into Mantovani than Metallica, but I need to find out all things about Napster, esp on Linux, for a client's daughter. Pointers to HOWTOs please. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au "...well, it worked before _you_ touched it!" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Is their HTMl code to have Apache show you what modules it has loaded?
Apache can cough up its info as http://url/server-info http://url/server-status status is how apache is doing, what its just done etc. info is how its configured on a per module basis. very cool. should be commented out in httpd.conf Dean Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Matt Allen" the only problem is that i think Terry is having module issues, ie the PHP isnt rendering, therefore phpinfo() is going to do SFA :) I was going to say "CGI, baby!" but, ah, that's not going to tell us much about Apache then, is it? ;) Terry - if you're having troubles with the PHP4 module (apart from telling us the problem so we can get it working), you may want to try using the CGI version from Apache. Modules better though - what's not happening? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- - What inspired you to become a bus driver? - Linus Torvalds. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IBM and Linux
Michael Sztachanski wrote: Terry Collins wrote: Michael Sztachanski wrote: ...snip... FYI IBM offer a 50% dicount of their product range (Netfinity), not sure what the dicount is for RS6000, etc. This is for? (developers?) Yes, sorry - for DEVELOPERS How do they define developers? Dean -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RADIUS Server
http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=radius theres a BSD and a GPL one, both free. Dean Daron Barndon wrote: Does anyone know where I can get hold of a free RADIUS server for linux? Thanks Daron Barndon Systems Administrator BTLôôkSmart L7/241 Commonwealth St Surry Hills NSW 2010 Australia Phone: +6192820206 Fax: +6192820222 Mobile: +61416041017 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Interfacing WWW to database
Not of shell scripts =\ You basically have to go pass sql statements to the cli program for the database then load them into a variable. Then whip out awk and break the data into usefull bits. Id recommend you just write in c. Youll need to check out the security issues involved though. Dean Anything that will run in cgi-bin that can talk to a database; You could use shell scripts if you really wanted. Beauty! Do you know where might find some examples Please, please don't say google as it ain't talking to me at the moment. Goodness knows where it has gone to. -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Help needed with html form and perl script
Your web server doesnt know to interpret the script, generally youll want it to be in the cgi-bin, or allowed to run via ExecCGI or even mod_perl. Dean Simon Bryan wrote: Hi, One of our students submitted a 'Guestbook' perl script as part of her assessment. We were able to assess it for the things we needed, but it doesn't quite work (so no full marks of course!). I am going round in circles trying to see what I am doing wrong so am asking for help. When the submit buttonis pressed on the form the data is sent in the new URL but instead of the perl script running it loads into the browser window as text. It is called guestbook.plx (have tried cgi as an extension as well) and it has 755 as it's permissions. What else do I have to do? Or how do I test the perl script without the html page? Any help appreciated as we would like to incorporate this into our website as having being written by a student. Cheers, -- Simon Bryan[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Technology Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] OLMC Parramatta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Tape drive in RedHat 6.2
* an stinit craps out with Can't find the tape characteristics database. * no /dev/tape id venture to say that should be a symlink to /dev/st1 Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] How do I see what my modem reports?
You need to tell pppd to be verbose echo "debug" /etc/ppp/options or add debug to the pppd command line Dean Peter Vogel wrote: How do I see what my modem reports during the ppp connection sequence? It doesn't seem to appear in the /var/log/messages file. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Another Perl Question
I need to save username and password as a cookie on the client. yeah thats easy, i would like a single encrypted cookie. Doesnt have to be insanely encrypted just something thats not easily readable. (did i mention perl?) Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Got a schwanky keyboard?
Use aumix, aumix :2 +XX where XX is a value to add or -xx to subtract or no sign for literal aumix --help w is pcm Dean Unless I've completely missed something, the keyboard itself isn't a USB device, it just happens to have a two-slot (socket?) unpowered USB hub in it, and the plug on the other end in addition to the PS/2 interface. At least, that's the version I happened to purchase, there may be a proper USB one around now. I got XMMS working too: XF86Play = xmms --play XF86Stop = xmms --pause (hacky, but you can't do play/pause simply) etc. Next I have to work out how to do volume. :) (A good case for simple Unix tools here, btw.) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- For a list of points detailing how technology has failed to improve our lives, please press 3. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] StarOffice won't start
Check if their is a soffice process (eg ps ax | grep so) when this occurs. It *could* be checking to see if its already running, then, seeing that it is (in a sense) is quits. *shrug* try openoffice Dean Howard Lowndes wrote: Does anyone have problems with StarOffice failing to start. I find occasionally that it just refuses to fire up, whether from an icon or from a command line, and fails to give any indication as to why it's not starting. I certainly don't have a problem with RAM (128MB) or swap space (256MB), so I am at bit of a loss as to the cause. Logging off as a user doesn't work. The only resolution is a reboot. Perhaps its a memory leak problem somewhere, but I can't see any evidence anywhere else to support that theory. I just wish it would tell me what the problem is. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au | Penrith City Council http://www.bong.com.au | BONG LAN Parties [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
