Re: [RCSE] Contest idea....Time on tow penalty for TD?
A very good answer Mike! I have been wanting shorter lines in F3J since 2002... But I have to go with the pack as the CIAM meeting said no this year to shorter lines. But to me it seems like more and more competitions in US are now both shorter lines and group scoring? That sounds like a good and good way to go for me. I like a good thermal contest. Maybe pilots will beat me more often but that's cool. Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini Gamleveien 2910 Aurdal Norway mob +47 90898709 www.jojoen.no [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:04:28 -0400 From: Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contest ideaTime on tow penalty for TD? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, cool, I can get my ultra high tech model with super expensive high modulus carbon to keep the weight down and have real fun Or I'll just pop off with my Bubble Dancer at .1 second. Shorter winch lines usually work better. Plus it gives the ligher models a better chance since they no longer have to lift up the ton of line required to keep the big models from breaking it all the time. Plus, if you break it, you fly it That always encourages everyone to stop abusing the winch. And if that doesn't work, go for longer times. Actually, the launch discussion is kind of silly. You must all be talking to electric guys who can't define a launch because they all use different launch equipment. Electric sailplanes are in competition are a total turnoff for me because your launch equipment goes obsolete so fast. AMA TD (or basically Unlimited these days) is what it is because of the Ford Long Shaft motor and 300lb line. Everyone has somewhat similar launch equipment, and we can all agree on what to fly. F3b is also working (except for the denial that it exists in the US) because it has a well defined launch system. Everyone can go out and practice and try to design better flying models instead of better launching equipment. F3j with the current rules is broken. It is very much the luck of the timer. I know the past few team selections, which timer you had was good for a 1 second difference in flight time. It's basically a launch race and timer reaction time event where you take yourself out of the competition by missing the 100 landing. Models and launch technique are a long way from what was created. And shorter launches will only introduce more luck with being on the wrong side of the field. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If I go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think... This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time... And finally I am on the same frequencies Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini ---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing Gamleveien 2910 Aurdal Norway mob +47 90898709 www.jojoen.no [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:30 -0600 From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National Championship unless it's on the west coast. Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's... Please disregard my previous statement. JD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Pumpkin Fly and Tangerine..UPDATE...Father of DLG, There? or Not There ?
Gordy can probably be a pain in he ass if you dont like to read many posts. BUT even in my poor english (yes I am Norwegian) I got an urge to find out more about this guy.. If I just had that magazine.. Even with my poor english I did not find anything wrong. It just made me interrested and that I think was the point of Gordy's post. Maybe I am wrong and no I dont read all the posts at the Soaring exchange (digest member). Or did I miss a post here! Anyhow can someone please send me a copy or take a picture of that Column? Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:25:16 -0700 From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Pumpkin Fly and Tangerine..UPDATE...Father of DLG, There? or Not There ? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_003D_01C6FCE7.9F77C7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Gordy, I was going to sent this in private but I decided that I would send it = to the list. Your comments about my column were totally out of line and = it demonstrates the person that you really are. (Not that we didn't = already know.) You have demeaned me and someone who revolutionized a = segment of our hobby, Dick Barker. FYI, my columns are a result input from the readers coupled with current = contests and events. Must of those who fly discus have no idea how it = evolved and this is why it was requested and written. With only = everyother month coverage it tough to cover everything I'd really like = to. Regarding my homebuilt, perhaps you will someday (probably not) will = experience the satisfaction of completing such a project. I get many = emails wanting more information on the project. Since you decided to = slam me on mentioning my homebuilt, you inadvertently slammed several = other model soaring pilots who are in the ranks of homebuilders. I am = currently writing an article on the modelers who are homebuilders for = publication in Model Aviation. You can skip reading that since it won't = have any meaning to you. Obviously you are totally unaware of the = crossover of membership between the AMA and EAA. Both have a significant = influence on each other. I think my contributions to the hobby over the past 40 years in several = phases of RC speak for themselves. What have you done? Nevermind, nobody = cares. Finally, the next time we meet in person we WILL be having a = conversation. That moment may come sooner than you think since I have = the ability travel around the country, when I want, at 200 mph in my = HOMEBUILT. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ Columnist, Model Aviation - Original Message -=20 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [RCSE] Pumpkin Fly and Tangerine..UPDATE...Father of DLG, = There? or Not There ? Nope Dick Barker won't be at either event! But you can find out a lot more about him (shoe size, deodorant prefs, = etc) in this months MA Soaring Column! Darwin's out did himself this month, even though he is itching to talk = about his homebuilt aircraft in every possible issue, he has stayed on = the RC Soaring course with another article worthy of publication in RC's = 'official' magazine. The story tells how Dick was walking out of his house one day carrying = a Monarch handlauch, when he stubbed his toe on a sprinkler head that = was stuck up in the grass, that caused him to spin around cursing, and = that old handlaunch got whipped up on to the roof of the old hippee VW = van he was driving back in those daysand an idea was born Okay so maybe I didn't get the details exactly right so you probably = should head to the can, open up this month's magazine and read it for = yourself! Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
I dont know the story in Visalia. But I seriously doubt the Spread spectrum will work as of today in a full carbon fuse without some serious antenna installation. But as Gordy said buy and try. I would sure like to try one but it seems that we are still waiting for CE marking on the radios here in Europe before they are allowed to sell them... So please someone.. send me one I will do the testing.. ;-) As of now I am very happy with my 9303 ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:36:23 -0700 From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blah blah blah... :-) I remember the same kind of comments . This will stun many to hear, but Gordy, once again, you have completely missed the point. As far as the freedom from ever being shot down, were you not involved in just such an incident a few years back at Visalia?? I'll bet the involved parties would have LOVED to have had SS available. And as I said in my post, please remember that we need to look at this beyond our simple myopic view that soaring is the entire RC world. Using your logic Gordy we would still be using Galloping Ghost radios. -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
Yes. All with JR spectrum on 2,4Ghz and a Pike Perfect or maybe Supra? Shit there came the problem ;-) Anyhow they now also opened up 5Ghz for wireless access and that would help a lot on range. Kind of like you have practically double the range on 72mhz than ours 35mhz. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ? so how would Spread spectrum play out internationally. Currently the usa is 72mhz most of europe I think is 35 So would that also unite us to one solution? :-) -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
OK You guys maybe right. Just looked at Horizon (where I got my 72mhz unit..) and the output strength seems to be 750mw. In Norway (Europe) we have maximum 100mw on 35mhz anybody know the output power of the DX6 and DX7? Anyhow the broadband I got is wireless in the valley and 5Ghz seems to have better range on the same power as 2,4Ghz. According to the guy that installed it and also that after I changed I got to range a better transmitter 8km away (that is over 26000feet). So this message was written on 5Ghz ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ? You are correct... Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom Quoting Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Whoa - this is backwards if I remember my ham training right. Higher freq at same power = less range. M Anyhow they now also opened up 5Ghz for wireless access and that would help a lot on range. Kind of like you have practically double the range on 72mhz than ours 35mhz. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
Might be ;-) I dont follow all the posts but Gordy's are of interrest normally! He writes funny and are a nice guy... And I only follow the digest... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ? I think JoJo got his information from Gordy :-) Sorry I couldn't help myself... Mark Howard wrote: Whoa - this is backwards if I remember my ham training right. Higher freq at same power = less range. M Anyhow they now also opened up 5Ghz for wireless access and that would help a lot on range. Kind of like you have practically double the range on 72mhz than ours 35mhz. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
In Norway we have maximum 100mw (milliwatt) and the DX6 was also first not CE marked so it was not allowed in Norway untill recently. That's why I asked on the output power of DX6 versus DX7 Have no idea what ISM band is Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ? The same regulations that dictate the use of the ISM band on this continent also occur everywhere else... Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom Quoting Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: so how would Spread spectrum play out internationally. Currently the usa is 72mhz most of europe I think is 35 So would that also unite us to one solution? :-) -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring Masters Pre-Report
You are KILLING me slowly! I HATE not being able to be there! Does not matter if it is true or not. Your write up is so cool Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:54:49 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Soaring Masters Pre-Report Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1158893689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys I have to tell you, the vendors and sponsors have done this thing up RIGHT! Driving into the entry to the site, is a huge banner spanning over the entrance Welcome to the World Soaring Masters! Along the road to the flying area are banners on poles flying in the wind about every 20', in various colors, kind of like walking the gauntlet to King Arthur's big joust contest! At the site is a huge circus style tent, with even more banners, each banner having a different sponsor's name and logo. Inside the tent is a hospitality set up for Pilots and vendors to chat, long tables (again reminiscent of a King Arthur challenge), filled with trays of fresh cut fruit, giant shrimp, wings, BBQ ribs, various selections of rolls (I think they were shipped in from Germany!) with thin crunchy wheat crusts and a slight honey flavor inside. There is a stage and what looks like a band being set up. (someone said it was Lenard Skynard) On the field I think I can see two TV crew trailers with those telescoping satellite antennas on each. One on each end of the field. There is one of those jumbo-tron things, showing clips of JW, DP, BC proudly displaying their world championship medals and of course their I beat Gordy badges too.. along with other rc soaring clips which include events such as Visalia, MidSouth, and the recent Casa contest (which is kind of funny because all you see is Phil Barnes butt as he bends down to fix a winch! There's a nice segment of Joe Melchoir's (Deleware's top TD pilot) Mooney flying in to the event. It all looks more like some medieval competition than a rc soaring event The field has been manicured with the words World Master's RC Soaring 2006 The only thing that would really complete it is JoJo. There was a lot of talk about how David Hobby keeps avoiding flying against me, but I think they were mostly kidding. :-) I stopped in at the Roberts hotel, and a bunch of guys were out having a brew or two, and as I walked up I was faced or butted with a line of moons, as in full skin cheeked! Of course I had to retaliate! :-) Wish you guys were here! Weather is supposed to be sunny with calm winds all weekend! But if the wind comes up, the word is the champ will be.Rich Burnowski. Considering conditions, I put $100 on Rusty Shaw, odds were just too good to be true and I saw him fly in Iowa recently, the guy is deadly. Gordy Holiday Inn Express, yep a Jacuzzi room :-) ---1158893689 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Vision sailplane - feedback?
Very similar to a Pike Superior but only with V-tail. Same airfoils in the wing but slightly different wing shape. No UMS spar and normally not full carbon. But lower price in some shops. Flies well. Finish is normally good on what I have seen. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:02:17 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rc Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com Subject: Vision sailplane - feedback? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for some feedback on the Vision sailplane sold by Soaring USA. Plus and minuses of the Vision's HQW 2.5/9 airfoil for thermal duration? Also looking for fit finish of the airplane too. Thanks, S Gibson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: new version of JR servo?
Yes the DS368 have been a nice servo for many years but will get sloppy after a while. Changing top case works but the new version with ball bearing will solve it permanent hopefully. In Europe it is called DS3068. Probably the most used servo in F3X planes on competition level world wide. Or you could get a Volz... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:33:33 -0400 From: jrmaclean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: new version of JR servo? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6A2AC.40CCB530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking at the Horizon web site and found a reference to a DS368BB servo = but no data. Is this a ball bearing version of the 368 and has anyone = tried it out. Is it an improvement upon my favorite servo? Many thanks for any data, Jim MacLean RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Can one use a copper wire for an antenna
Yes Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:22:04 -0500 From: Stan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Digest soaring@airage.com Subject: Can one use a copper wire for an antenna Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm looking to install a wire in wing for an antenna. Can I use a very thin copper wire for an antenna? TIA Stan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Need info running rx antenna down wing on a Supra
Now please ONLY in the glass version... But works very good with a JR770 (yes tested with both 72 and 35mhz) http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/960supra/supra_antenna.jpg I used a 9-pin D-sub. male in the wing and the stripped female (take away themetal housing) in the fuse. the male was screwed in the wing and the female was glued in the fuse with hot plastic glue (dont know the english name for it). Antenna is stretched and glued as a Y antenna. Probably enough with only one direction but I wanted most angles covered. Antenna wire is the thinnest I could find in my box. Does not matter what kind it is... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - -- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:18:00 -0500 From: Stan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Digest soaring@airage.com Subject: Need info running rx antenna down wing on a Supra Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm putting together a Supra, somewhere,sometime,someone mentioned running the rx wire down the wing at the flap joint. am I dreaming. If not, details please. TIA Stan -- End of Soaring V1 #7772 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: World Soaring Masters Registration Today!
I WILL BE THERE! So will also other guys from Europe I hear! Today I got a good message from Barry Kennedy that he is there for me and will help me out on this event. I think we will stay Roberts Radisson according to Barry. And offcourse my friend Gordy is that real friend that he showed last year. He will be there helping me carry those huge containers of planes... I think he will train those dogs into the Iditarot race for Muncie instead of Alaska. Even Marc Gellart have offered some help. He was a nice spotter last time so who knows... I have now ordered non refundable tickets! So no matter what the stamp says I will be there on the field atleast! Looking forward to meet all my friends and eat a couple rib racks each day (my weight went down last time so Gordy's diet works..) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini Sagbråtenfeltet 2910 Aurdal Norway tlf: +47 61361606 / mob: +47 90898709 NEW: www.jojoen.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Guaranteed Soaring Masters....
Well I am really looking thru my wallet to see if I have some left after the World Championship in Slovakia. I had a super time last year at the Nats and Gordy has allready said he would take care of me if I came over. To me the guys running the show at Nats did a superb job and the rules are pretty well thought out and will work. Guess I will have to pick my post office with care since they have stopped postmarking manually over here ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo from Norway NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:28:24 -0500 From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Karl Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] RE: Guaranteed Soaring Masters Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Such an optimist. :-) See you at the Club contest. At 10:10 PM 4/12/2006, Karl Miller wrote: I can guarantee. that Muncie is a world class soaring site! If I want to see palm trees I go to Florida or Jamaica. So come on out for a heap'n help'n of great competition. I am sure those who mail their entries from any where in the USA on the first will get in. I am Looking forward to flying with the best pilots from all over! Karl Miller SOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: UPS powered winch for DLGs,
Some years ago (nov.01 in my diary) I made a small winch for a scratch built model I made (made from scrap materials). I did it all just for fun. Guess I had too much time at the moment! I used a speed 400 motor, small Rx and 7 cells. I operated the winch with my transmitter so that I could adjust the power. I even used it indoor. Very cool. Zoom of hard and smack in the ceiling ;-) Did not need a trunaround but tried that also. The only problem was that the line was so thin that it could easily become a mess. http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/vinsj/vinsj.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/vinsj/vinsj_deksel_l.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/dag257/vinsj_phonix.jpg Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Flew Pike Perfect just a few hours ago... Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:29:37 -0500 From: inventorforhire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UPS powered winch for DLGs, Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0010_01C648DC.24C36CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a quick idea. Get a small wiper motor from junk yard for $5 - $10 = or someplace like this: http://www.73.com/a/0082.shtml Make sure it can free turn, or you will need a needle clutch bearing on = the spool and a couple of collars. =20 I got a UPS (computer back up) battery from Wilson Trucking Surplus for = $8 (you might even get a free one from some company that discards them = every couple of years), the board and 2x2 from scrap, the eye screw for = .30, the receiver for $18, the servo for $10, the leaf switch from Radio = Shack for $2.49. The wire to receiver is a standard R/C charging = switch. The wire to motor and switch is just some heavier wire. Fishing = line would be Firewire or something like that. Using a momentary switch = on the radio, you can run it to launch your HL. Basically, you can make = this for under $50. Anyhow, I posted a quick concept drawing here: http://www.adesigner.com/brass/dlgwinch.htm Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: UPS powered winch for DLGs,
Since it was a rudder/elevator model I had the winch on the throttle stick. Dont see why I need a arming switch. I dont have that on my normal winch either. And anyone can step on the pedal (or turn it over like on Nats..) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: UPS powered winch for DLGs, Very cool... Yep, you have too much time on your hands... You remind me of a local friend One question since it is controlled by your tranny that is also controlling your plane, do you have an arming switch? I could see the slider getting knocked and making a mess out of everything. Hey Mike does he remind you of anyone.? Jo Grini wrote: Some years ago (nov.01 in my diary) I made a small winch for a scratch built model I made (made from scrap materials). I did it all just for fun. Guess I had too much time at the moment! I used a speed 400 motor, small Rx and 7 cells. I operated the winch with my transmitter so that I could adjust the power. I even used it indoor. Very cool. Zoom of hard and smack in the ceiling ;-) Did not need a trunaround but tried that also. The only problem was that the line was so thin that it could easily become a mess. http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/vinsj/vinsj.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/vinsj/vinsj_deksel_l.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/dag257/vinsj_phonix.jpg Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Flew Pike Perfect just a few hours ago... Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:29:37 -0500 From: inventorforhire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UPS powered winch for DLGs, Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0010_01C648DC.24C36CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a quick idea. Get a small wiper motor from junk yard for $5 - $10 = or someplace like this: http://www.73.com/a/0082.shtml Make sure it can free turn, or you will need a needle clutch bearing on = the spool and a couple of collars. =20 I got a UPS (computer back up) battery from Wilson Trucking Surplus for = $8 (you might even get a free one from some company that discards them = every couple of years), the board and 2x2 from scrap, the eye screw for = .30, the receiver for $18, the servo for $10, the leaf switch from Radio = Shack for $2.49. The wire to receiver is a standard R/C charging = switch. The wire to motor and switch is just some heavier wire. Fishing = line would be Firewire or something like that. Using a momentary switch = on the radio, you can run it to launch your HL. Basically, you can make = this for under $50. Anyhow, I posted a quick concept drawing here: http://www.adesigner.com/brass/dlgwinch.htm Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Multiplex Slim Star servo?
I have been looking for this servo for a very long time and got to look closely at one at a dealer just a short while ago. What made me leave it there was 1) It is a bit difficult to mount (even with two different mounts in the box) 2) The servo horn was strange and I am not sure it will hold up for F3X planes. It is split and hold together by one small screw 3) The total travel is very little. If I remember right it was only 60 degrees. 4) The dealer did not recommend it ;-( I will outfit my Supra and Pike Perfect with proven Volz instead. And driven by a JR radio... (now that was a bit commercial... sorry ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:35:44 -0600 From: Bruce Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Multiplex Slim Star servo? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hitec / Multiplex has a new servo of interest.Glen Merritt is very helpfultheir customer service is great.but please..some uniformity in servo specs.PLEASE! Website lists transit time for only 40 degrees of travelindustry standard is 60 degrees.torque is usually listed for 4.8 and 6.0 voltsbut they only specify on their website the 6.0 voltage torque measured.not goodand almost no trouble for a company like this to list both figuresnot to mention that many more users will use a 4 cell rather than a 5 cell pack..so do the specifications right.PLEASE! BCNU Bruce Hobbs -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:21 PM To: 'S Meyer' Cc: 'soaring' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Multiplex Slim Star servo? Man, I guess those numbers WERE too good to be true! Nevertheless, if anyone has had experience with the Multiplex Slim Star, I'd love to hear your feedback. --Jim -Original Message- From: S Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'soaring' Subject: Re: [RCSE] Multiplex Slim Star servo? Nice. http://www.multiplexusa.com/RC-comp/Servos/SlimStar.htm Those numbers on Tower's site looks like holding torque. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Perfect first flights
First flights are done and away. Pictures are out! www.f3j.com Big thanks to Philip and Mustafa. If I just get my head together there will be a full article from Philip tomorrow. I must say that though production moulds seems to be working fine there are a lot of models to be produced and new workers to be learned before the Pike Perfect is in regular production. So be patient with them to get things going and a production plan set up. Since this is mostly a US list you should ask the two dealers there for delivery. Soaring USA ( http://www.soaringusa.com/ ) and Skip Miller ( http://skipmillermodels.com/ ). But I doubt they can give you exact dates yet. But I am sure they can put you on a list ;-) As I see it there are two major efforts I have seen this year. Both have been working on for a long time and using much more technology and thinking than we have seen before. And I am going for them both ;-) I cant wait to see if either the Supra ( http://www.kennedycomposites.com/ ) or the Pike Perfect ( http://www.f3j.com/ ) will beat the feeling I have for my Volz powered Pike Giant (oh no - not another Gordy phrase :). Sorry for the slightly commercial side of this message. You all know were the delete button is. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT Skip was a bit quick on us I guess. I did not know Samba had let him be so fast. So after a lot of calls today and a bit of fast action the Samba page is updated. Sorry for the commercial side of this message but there are more Jane pictures ;-) http://www.f3j.com/ Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: First flights from JR....
How is those new JR radios coming on John? Any gossip you can share with us? Hope it will be without a MP3 player ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Perfect first flights [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Email I think the Supra is already in production. Contact Barry at Kennedy Composites. G JD 8^) -Original Message- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT
Skip was a bit quick on us I guess. I did not know Samba had let him be so fast. So after a lot of calls today and a bit of fast action the Samba page is updated. Sorry for the commercial side of this message but there are more Jane pictures ;-) http://www.f3j.com/ Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:57:55 -0800 From: Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] NEW PIKE PERFECT A Samba Jane, You have to love the mini skirt and GoGo boots in the snow! Now when is my trip back to Czech? Oh yea! April baby!! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 http://www.skipmillermodels.com/pikeperfect.php -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Frames Though I have been using tape and epoxy with micro baloons a lot. Sometimes there is no space for the frames. A good tip is to wrap some kevlar thread around the frame before you glue it in. Then you can cut the kevlar and use the frame one more time. If you dont use the kevlar you will either need the epoxy to go around the edge of the frame or rub up the plastic of the frame a bit so the epoxy glues well. I have tested goop a bit on some servos and untill now it has hold up. Anyhow the most slop in models is that the skin is too soft. First of all put a layer of carbon or glassfiber in there (preferably carbon offcourse). Some producers have done this for you. What really helps is to join the upper and lower skin with some small pieces of balsa. Now build that model and get in the air Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:02:42 -0500 From: Corey Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for opinions from people with more molded glider experience. Which is better? Gluing a servo directly to the wing using epoxy/balloon mix or gluing a servo frame and then mounting the servo in the frame. Does the frame approach cause more slop from servo movement or is it more secure? I like being able to remove the servo but I can do that with both approaches (granted it is easier with a frame). I guess I am looking for the most secure or precise approach. Thanks -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz !
I should probably leave it since I have not read every post (dont have time always). But I did a very simple test a while ago for myself. Not any scientific as I did not think there was need. But the numbers are there still http://www.jojoen.no/volz So up too 1,8A with a MM XP I am prety sure that the elevator servo on a X-tail sailplane demands just as much power as a flap servo. But that is only in the zoom and speed turns mostly. Atleast my zooms improved when I changed the servo... I will sure outfit my Supra with a good elevator servo for sure. But I will stay with my regular 4cell pack and wires I find convenient that day. I dont think there is much power needed for a rudder in a TD model. Unless the rudder is huge. I fly my Superior and Giant electro with a tiny 6g servo on rudder and have no issues (other than in out of the car...). Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:52:58 -0600 From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Drela [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz ! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark I enjoy reading your posts, very interesting. Makes me think of Spock. :-) What about elevator loads? And elevator servo moment? How would that be calculated? At 10:08 AM 2/18/2006, Mark Drela wrote: Molded Supra launch hinge moments are listed below, for a 200 lb tow load (hard F3j launch). For smaller tow loads, hinge moments will be proportionally smaller. wing camber = +10 deg rudder defl = 30 deg wing CL = 1.2 lift = 200 lbs q = 0.16 psi = 1104 Pa V = 95 mph = 42.5 m/s Flap hinge moment = 4.87 in-lb = 78 in-oz = 5.62 kgf-cm Ail. hinge moment = 3.15 in-lb = 50 in-oz = 3.60 kgf-cm Rud. hinge moment = 2.12 in-lb = 34 in-oz = 2.45 kgf-cm To get the servo moment (torque), this hinge moment must be multiplied by a linkage geometry factor, which is approximately by the ratio of servo/surface horn lengths. This is between 0.7 - 0.9 for most installations. Assuming a horn length ratio of 0.8, the servo moments are: Flap servo moment = 62 in-oz Ail. servo moment = 40 in-oz Rud. servo moment = 27 in-oz -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Servo Performance - Real World
What is also very important in our world is slop. The well proven DS368 is a very cool servo that can take a lot of beating. But after a lot of hammer jojo ground breaking they will get sloppy. I hear there is a DS3068 out of the factory now with output ball bearing that should fix it ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:47:08 -0600 From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Servo Performance - Real World Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good post Simon -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:37 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Servo Performance - Real World Remember...the OEM specifications are derived at a fixed voltage = with=20 whatever the current the servo desires from the power supply to=20 determine maximum available torque (this commonly recognized measurement = is taken @ 1.0 from the output shaft to move a load a fixed distance).=20 No matter what, the servos in your aircraft will NEVER come close to = this. Correct, on the 1 measurement from the center of the output shaft. FYI = on JR servo testing here at Horizon we test torque ratings with actual = JR battery packs, both 4 and 5 cell, running through either a servo = tester or a receiver. Usually a 3000mAh. If your goal is to see the best flight performance from whatever=20 airframe you employ, don't scrimp on the electrical system. Don't forget the linkage geometry and setup as well. JD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Olympics - off topic
Then there is those Norwegians with good eyes. ehhh correction: with glasses. I think I will wait for the Supra and fly on the ice instead of sliding some stones on it... But I liked their calendar!!! Out to get rid of that snow now. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:33:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Olympics - off topic Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here you go, man! http://www.thecurlingnews.com/ BTW, nice job this weekend. tk --- Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... I've been watching a lot of the Olympics lately... I think I'm gonna take up curling. Are there like curling alleys? Do they serve beer there? Is there a curling exchange somewhere where they talk about the various rocks? Maybe the rocks have different cambers, thicknesses and weights? sorry... maybe we'll make the Olympics someday... Go USA! ;-) D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
I try to remember that on each competition ;-) Good point.. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Klaus Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jo Grini' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc JoJo. I can give you a tip, which will put you at an advantage against the other competitors get your timer to stand on your left side :) Klaus Weiss Sydney Australia http://www.hsl.org.au http://www.users.bigpond.com/kkw1 -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:34 AM That is the time I really need a timer. And I am also reduced in hearing on my right ear (also because I focus so much that I forget to listen...) so the timer needs to shout ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
Yes it does. I feel I can mostly fly and call for myself BUT in a flight group of +6-7 pilots I cant keep track of them all. That is the time I really need a timer. And I am also reduced in hearing on my right ear (also because I focus so much that I forget to listen...) so the timer needs to shout ;-) One thing is for sure: I went to the Nats knowing that Picolarios was allowed. And I still wanted to compete since the format appealed to me. If I thought the Picolarios were so bad I would have worked for a rule change. But I dont! Though I still feel free to say a few words on the list ;-) But guys (and girls)!!! It is about time we get a few flight reports also. I need to know more about that Supra Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc I have noticed that the timer makes a big difference. Put a good pilot with a novice timer (who likes to help) and it can make a negative difference. Ever had to argue with a timer who tries to tell you how to fly instead of reading the conditions? Ever do what the timer said and find it was the wrong decision? Ever have a great pilot as a timer and see your flying improve? I would think that would make a bigger difference than an electronic sensor. I would think having the great pilots time for you is more of an advantage than a marginal pilot using a sensor. T RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
I dont like it but I have to agree totally with Daryl.. ;-) Though last WC in Canada some wondered why I had binoculars with me on the field... And many years ago I think they used bubble machines in WC F3B controlled by a Tx. Even smoke and rockets have been. I hope we never come to that again. I like to win by spotting the signs nature gives. No I have never used any electronic equipment or any feedback from the plane but I did borrow a picolario a few months. It was nice to test different Rx batteries in the cold. Incredible how much power 6 digital servos use in the zoom. warning, warning... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc You guys don't get the zen side of it. The telemetry is neat stuff, and fun to use I'm sure on non-contest days. But it has no place in a contest. Use them to learn about your model. Use them to learn about your skill level. Use them to learn about lift. But leave them at home on contest days. If a soaring contest is no longer about recognizing workable lift... what exactly are we contesting? I have my own views, and I'm not always right... well.. yes I am actually but I have to say that the use of these things in a contest setting offends me on every level. Sandbagging is legal too... doesn't make it right. 2 cents, D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7012
I missed this post (dont read it all...). An observant reader got me to it (David Stack) I dont know of any webpages but I can offer you some logging of my launches. Earlier I used the Lolo but I sold that a while ago and are now using the Z-log. Let me know if that is interresting and I will look into my archive and find some useful stuff. I dont have much data on the Zlog that I would call interresting but a quick check on one of the latest flights on the winch with 170-180m, to the turnaround gives: Climb speed 20m/s, after zoom 25-30m/s. Conditions were calm and -3celcius (26F) and I used my Pike Giant. Launch altitude were 200m+/- But beware that all launches are very different. It is all in the conditions, type of model and lines used. We also zoom of at very different altitudes deppending on when we get the right tension, if we want to go of early, etc In F3J we sometimes are able to pull the runners backwards if the wind is strong and the setup of the model is good. Some runners are offcourse stronger in this phase of the launch than others (John Diniz, David Hobby, me... ;-). In the last two WC's I have liked to use Juniors or fast small runners because they are eager and faster in the first phase of the running. But a heavy well trimmed quarter back or something would be nice ;-) I also know they meassured some time ago 120kg upwards on a F3B turnaround. And before the new stake rule I think the Germans meassured 50kg on the stake in the ground. But this is from memory. You might find some in the Ciam archive of proposals of new rules some years ago. A fact is that we use lines that are suited for the conditions we fly and what plane is launching. A 1,15mm line will probably break at 70-80? kg load and a 1,35mm (that we use in windy conditions) will break at 120kg? When the line gets old or slightly damaged it breaks at an earlier point offcourse EMC VEGA have some info http://www.emc-vega.de/pdf/hochstart.pdf http://www.emc-vega.de They state the braking point in Newton and have a bit lower numbers than me (I am not good in German either) but they are probably not way off. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:06:08 -0800 From: Jeff Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Physics of F3J launch? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are there any web sites that describe the physics of an F3J type launch? Specifically, the climb speeds, zoom speeds, tension in the line, g forces, ... I'd also be curious as to how much tension there is in the line from a F3B winch. -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
I see that this causes a lot of mind twisting out there. That is mostly good ;-) Maybe I should say that I did enjoy competing against pilots with varios in the last Nats. The ones I could see did not beat me (not easy to spot a vario among 10 others on the launch line...). Here in Europe we dont use varios even though we can at some contests. So the only time I have competed against any was at the Nats. Bottom line is that I think it is a neat gadget like other tools but personally I will not use it. But I respect a pilot on a learning curve to use it. I just hope he leaves it home when he enters top 10 or something. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:07 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I dont like it but I have to agree totally with Daryl.. ;-) Though last WC in Canada some wondered why I had binoculars with me on the field... And many years ago I think they used bubble machines in WC F3B controlled by a Tx. Even smoke and rockets have been. I hope we never come to that again. I like to win by spotting the signs nature gives. No I have never used any electronic equipment or any feedback from the plane but I did borrow a picolario a few months. It was nice to test different Rx batteries in the cold. Incredible how much power 6 digital servos use in the zoom. warning, warning... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Jr R700 rx in contest environment?
Sorry. Same channel = problems for both Though a good Rx can outperform a poor one and therefore be the one still in the air. Also if the guy with the good Rx is closer to his plane or have a better Tx/antenna he can have control longer than the one with a slightly offset Tx/short antenna/poor antenna PCM versus PPM have nothing or little effect on range or better performance. What PCM does better is giving you the right movement without any jittering. The PPM system actually gives better range but with some jitter possible. The difference you see at the tests are because the whole receiver is built up in a better way. I have never tested the R700 in a contest so I cant tell if it will be good. Tested it in a electric seaplane though and it was good. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:55:15 -0500 From: Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Soaring V1 #6983 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Laurel, I read your informal test of PCM vs. PPM on your JR radio. I have never heard that you could avoid channel conflict by using a PCM receiver. Failsafe and, perhaps faster or more solid signal handling were what I heard. Can anyone confirm this ability of a PCM receiver to ignore a PPM signal on the same channel? Could be a good reason for me to consider using PCM. I never had a good reason before. Ed Anderson aeajr on the forums Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Supras done
Although I am not sure I will go for a 3.6 CG but the point with rotation on launch is something to look at. Some of the F3B guys use a couple of flight fases for this. They start of with one and deppending on the conditions go for two alternatives deppending on the pull they feel the are getting. The overshoot on the rotation can be minimized a whole lot by throwing well. But the problem can be that with braided line and strong motors (when there has not been a build up of the drum size) one can not tension up that much. Good thread ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:44:07 -0500 From: Mark Drela [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -snipp This is rather far aft hook position which requires special action during launch. On my Evo program the left slider is an elevator (speed) trim with a small gain. For the launch throw I push the slider all the way forward which feeds in a slight amount of down-elevator. Once the glider rotates and settles down in the climb, I pull the slider back to its normal center position for maximum load just short of stall. I have 100% Ail.Diff and lots of Ail-Rud coupling during launch, so I can steer with might right thumb, leaving the left thumb free to work the slider. PS I've done some sims of the initial pitch dynamics immediately after the throw. There is a very significant CL overshoot at the end of the initial nose-up rotation. So if you trim the glider for maximum pull during the climb and zoom, and throw with this trim, then you are guaranteed to stall at the top of the nose-up rotation. So for maximum launch performance, it is necessary to add some initial nose-down trim to safely get past the initial pitch transients after the throw. -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Supras done
Cant wait to put my Supra on the super weight scale I have. To perform like me you would have to be within a few milligrams and a normal kitchen weight will not do the trick ;- Stand by for the results in a months time... Oh btw I dont care about the CG. That will be fixed after some practical flights (Gordy style with Jojo twist) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:30:55 -0600 From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I think Dr Drela may have calculated the battery weight difference between fully charged and completely discharged. Hence he dropped the 100th resolution. Otherwise I think the spec would be down to 0.05 mm. :-) Steven Meyer SOAR, LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video
I cant even get in myself right now ;-) The server is a friends that also is a modeller... If anyone wants to host the video they are welcome... But I think it needs to be better than 2mb line ;-) http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/video/nats05.wmv (if you can get it) For those that got the CD with pictures after Nats it is there Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:33:02 -0600 From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet were all giving JoJo's server a nice workout, I was only an hour away from the download completing and seeing it but now up to 3 hours as more of you connect and load it up. (that's with broadband!) heh heh heh It will get here when it gets here. He's gonna look at his server logs and be surprised! 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video
The server had a hickup also... So you guys are too interrested in it ;-) I have put it on another server for you (if that helps) http://www.fagernesil.no/video/nats05.wmv Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video I cant even get in myself right now ;-) The server is a friends that also is a modeller... If anyone wants to host the video they are welcome... But I think it needs to be better than 2mb line ;-) For those that got the CD with pictures after Nats it is there Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:33:02 -0600 From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet were all giving JoJo's server a nice workout, I was only an hour away from the download completing and seeing it but now up to 3 hours as more of you connect and load it up. (that's with broadband!) heh heh heh It will get here when it gets here. He's gonna look at his server logs and be surprised! 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: In Rememberance of a Great Soaring Lady, the Queen of RCSD
Although I never got to know Judy Slater I got to know the RC Soaring Digest Magazine from many years ago. Yes even in Norway we got this great magazine in paperform. And then I got to follow up on the digitalized issues and even could swim in the archives for good stuff. Thanks! Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:32:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: In Rememberance of a Great Soaring Lady, the Queen of RCSD For those of you who didn't know Judy Slates, for the past 15+ years, she was the backbone, editor, publisher and often printer of our hobby's 'bible', RC Soaring Digest Magazine. She and her husband Jerry, made sure that the magazine was out on time, despite printers screw ups and computer crashes and that in the light that they likely never made a dime on the magazine. For those who don't know RCSD, it has been the only rc soaring magazine that has existed which was not advertiser driven. It was always about content...and it provided modelers with great ideas and products a format to reach us...and because of RCSD innovations moved at lightening speed. She was a sweetheart, with a steady personality and who always looked for the best in everyone, even if they didn't treat her with their bestand there were a few over the years crooks who didn't pay advert bills, threatened suits over intellectual property or attempted to ruin her day for whatever reason...and yet she never had an unkind word about them. She kept RCSD the Journal for RC Soaring Enthusiasts, she was its heart. My soaring hat is off today in remembrance of Judy Slates a good friend and a treasure to our hobby. Gordy Louisville RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
Yes, yes, yes! Love the rules also My JR radio is charging right now. Hope I am able to attend. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:00:59 -0600 From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well folks, time to block out your vacation days for Sept 21-24, 2006. = I'm pleased to announce the 1st annual LSF Soaring Masters to be held at = the AMA site in Muncie, In. Please see the press release below. There = will be a website up in the coming weeks that will have more info on = registration and sponsorship opportunities. Cash payouts for the top = five finishers and trophies through tenth as well as many product = give-away opportunities for the rest of the field. Stay tuned to RCSE for more updates Thanks, John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo
I bought 8 several years ago for two planes. Ended up with one plane after refitting all 4 in the wing. Almost burned w hole in the wing http://www.jojoen.no/hitec5125.jpg Probably just fine for TD normal launching when you dont want to break that braided line. But for any hard launch or hard landings they are not up to it on a 3+meter model. If they were to change those gears to some machined ones I would buy the servo again. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:03:52 -0500 From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE posting soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo I ran them on ailerons in a Pike Superior for 2 years without any problems. Tom Dan Ahearn wrote: Anyone have any experience with the Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo? I bought a Pike from Tom Watson (maybe the one he refers to). To make a long story short; I stripped both HS 5125MG aileron servos on the first hard launch. It wasn't really the servos fault, aileron flutter was the real problem. I switched out those servos and put in a couple JR DS368 servos. The ailerons still fluttered. The DS368s were not harmed but rather were ripped loose from their mounts as the wing tips were ravaged by severe flutter. That is a very short version of a long story that in the end taught me two very valuable lessons: 1) JR DS368 servos are very much more robust than HS5125 servos. The 5125s may be OK for ordinary use but if you want servos that will survive a lot of abuse then the DS368s are better. 2) The Pike Superior in the SL (super light) version was not intended for hard launches with extremely fast zooms. It was made for early morning/late evening flights in low wind/light lift conditions where light weight is very important. It was anticipated by the designers that in low wind with hand towing you would not be able to do really hard launches with extremely fast zooms. I don't own a Pike anymore. I use all DS368s on my Supras since I tend to be an abusive sort of guy. Phil -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s)
Same case and sadly same gears. New electronics though. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:42:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would also like to know if the DS168 is a better choice than the 5125. I was thinking of using them in the new Supra for ailerons. Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s)
Ok ok ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s) Just quit landing in those snow drifts. :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Digital Camera-Nikon D70
Your old D70 was crap compared to my new Nikon D50 But you battery was a killer boost for my photos when I ran out... Just kidding! Both are super. I have not set myself into the difference in the D70 compared to the D50. The D50 feels better in my hand though. I think they have done some small improvements on the case. I have used Olympus most of the time before and have loved those cameras for their great pictures and good zooms. What I got now was a camera that actually turns on when I want to (ready for action a split second after I grab it) and a autofocus that is blistering fast compared to a cheaper camera. As Nathan stated you need more lenses. The provided lens is good enough for most people in closeup but there is no way around a zoom lens. I was lucky that my mother had some Sigma lenses and a broken old Nikon house... Ooops the lens was mine.. I think we will see combinationlenses with both wide and zoom for our mirror cameras pretty soon so I dont have to miss any photos. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:15:06 -0600 From: Jim McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Digital Camera-Nikon D70 Nikon D 70 here. Jo Jo Grini votes the same way as we were trading some accessories at a recent contest. Definitly more high-end but worth it. =20 Jim McCarthy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I got a Kennedy Composites Supra on order...you?
Yes we love you Gordy ;-)) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Will be in Norway testing Supra from Ukraine in January with no resting. www.grini.no Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:47:27 -0500 From: Lee Estingoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] I got a Kennedy Composites Supra on order...you? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember when guys used to post the titles in their CD collections online. Relax Gordy, we love you for just being you, not for your toys. Give it a rest. Lee Overland Park, KS -- no, I didn't post my collection online -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [RCSE] I got a Kennedy Composites Supra on order...you? So I have Pike Superiors which I love, and I have two of the new Pike Giant wings coming for them (its the super slope racer wing, extended to 130 and is the rage for TD now)and a custom painted Volz Powered new version Sharon on the boards too. Did I mention the F5J Pulsar 2005 I am picking up on my way to Toronto this week? So I was thinking on the plane back from Florida today, I need another sailplane! So during the take off while they were announcing to turn off cell phones, I asked the flight attendant to stop the roll out so that I could call Barry to get on the list. :-) Should be here around Dec or Jan, depending on how they come thru from CZ. How about you? Do you have a Supra on order too? Gordy Louisville for two day RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: 2005 F3J Team Selection Pictures,OR....
Love you guys! Yes even John and Jim are the good guys for me ;-) I really hope to see you all again soon. -- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini http://www.grini.no Jojo In this picture, I think that this is what happen's when you Get the Advantage, Or you can Feel the difference, Or, Is it that I can hear Working at the car wash playing real loud in the back ground...lol MY BADsorry John Dr. Danny Williams Colorado Springs, CO Bad Roads bring good people, and good roads bring bad people. ~~~snip~~~ From: Jo Grini Lots of good moments there Amy. thanks for sharing Airtronics in the shorts?: http://www.rmsadenver.com/ts-2005/img_5751.html Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: 2005 F3J Team Selection Pictures
Lots of good moments there Amy. thanks for sharing Airtronics in the shorts?: http://www.rmsadenver.com/ts-2005/img_5751.html This guy will not throw for me in a couple of weeks... http://www.rmsadenver.com/ts-2005/img_5750.html Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:09:36 -0600 From: Jim Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'ListServer Soaring' SOARING@AIRAGE.COM Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] com' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2005 F3J Team Selection Pictures Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0013_01C5BAAF.2B094C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy Pool sent me a bunch of pictures for the event. I have placed them on the website for your enjoyment. http://www.rmsadenver.com/ts-2005/ts-2005.htm Thanks Amy. Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6306
Finally!!! Thanks a lot John! I was almost about to order one just to see what the h... this was. If someone had come up with something superduper. And after 20min of google I did not find any specs. There are some many neat servos out there and so many that brake down on a HARD F3B launch. No we are not talking tapping... Maybe this one will, maybe not. But according to the specs John provided it has not enough torque for my F3B model either on flaps or elevator. Just waiting to get spammed by D or the list filled ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no snipp Dr Dan, You know I love you man, and I really am glad you fly Airtronics. 8^) = You know that I'll even support other branded flyers that use JR servos, = including you. I'm also glad that Airtronics has stepped up in the servo = department.=20 Not sure which Brand X servo DP's post was refering to, but here are = the facts regarding the new Airtronics servo vs the JR DS368, comparing = new servo to new servo. Torque: with 4-cell pack Air=3D37.1 oz/in, JR=3D53 oz/in Speed: with 4-cell pack Air=3D.18sec/60 degrees, JR=3D.21sec/60 degrees Size: Air=3D.48 x 1.07 x 1.11, JR=3D.50 x 1.12 x 1.17 Weight: Air=3D.78oz, JR=3D.75oz Warranty: Air=3D?, JR 3 years It is slightly faster and slightly smaller. Regards, John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Winch Plans
http://www.f3x.no/f3j/utstyr/vinsj.htm Sorry only European F3B style ;- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no From: Pat Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Sep 5, 2005 5:34 pm Subject: [RCSE] Winch Plans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Email Are there any plans available out there for building a winch? Pat RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Airtronics new digital wing servo
If that is correct I guess they have specs that confirms to what I want. So I guess next is durabillity. I have not used all brands either but I know that the thin wings and large hingelines some of us are moving towards puts extreme loads on our tiny servos. The manufacturers must come up with better products because many of them are not up to the use (to thick or too fragile or too weak or too slow). I even flew half a round this weekend in Nordic champs with a broken aileron servo. Last time I did that was the last Nordic championship ALSO in 2003. Just because I had to test a new servo in a new model. Stupid me. This time my servo dealer said that he would rather have me use another servo. But I had too try. So it was my own fault So no matter what. We love that new servos with better specs AND durabillity comes on the market. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no snipp The last number for torque I was given by Airtronics was 53 ounces. That was a verbal, and I don't know how true it is. So I guess... a more appropriate statement would be: As strong, faster, smaller, lighter, cheaper ;-) D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Tracked down the reason for RCSE mail rejection
This is sadly also the case when I am sending emails to AOL and other American providers... Very common today. They have to limit the spam in some ways. And the laws in US are not good enough... Probably millions of Americans that wanted a spare joiner or something ;-) I ended up sending Gordy messages thru my mobile instead of the computer! Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no From: Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Sep 5, 2005 8:26 pm Subject: [RCSE] Tracked down the reason for RCSE mail rejection [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Email So, I think I finally tracked down the reason why so many people are not getting mail from RCSE lately. The problem apparently is that the server (hosted by ATT World Services?) does not have a reverse DNS entry. I'm copying this to Lex Mierop, who I think is still the list administrator. If Les can get a reverse DNS entry in place for this server, the problems people are having subscribing/unsubscribing and getting mail from the list should be resolved. To look at the header in MS Outlook, right-click on the email and select Options... In OS X Mail, highlight the message and select View | Message | Long Headers. Have a close look at the header for an email from RCSE and you'll see this near the bottom: X-SPAM-Warning: The server sending your mail [12.32.211.161] does not have a reverse DNS entry. Connection Rejected. Please contact your Dial-Up/DSL/Network ISP Provider. Though RCSE is no longer listed in the spam database (see: http://bl.csma.biz/cgi-bin/listing.cgi?ip=64.18.7.10), the lack of a reverse DNS entry is causing many (most?) email hosting services to filter RCSE email as spam. Cheers - Jim Laurel Redmond, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: JoJo Wins Norway Nationals this weekend!
Thanks Gordy! It was the most horrible flying conditions one can amagine even though the sun was out most of the time. The wind came over a small hill and made the flying almost like flying behind a slope in the turbulence. The thermals developed on the field but offcourse never got big or released before they had travelled behind us. And in 15mph winds on the ground and more in altitude one had to be careful. I even took good times and landing a bit farther away a few times to get good scores. That is one strange tactical thing to do!!! Most of the times I got home but it was much about stretching limits and coming home the right way. We got 7 prelim rounds and 4 final rounds in 1 1/2 day and that is good with 18 competitors (4 teams). I guess I have to write like you: Yes I did fly my Pikes. 2pre and 2finals with Giant and yes they are Volz and JR9303 powered! ;- Other than that it was more about tactical than models Strange scores here: www.f3x.no maybe more pictures in an hour or two. Beware my camera is for repair so I used my mobile camera. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:06:24 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: JoJo Wins Norway Nationals this weekend! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1125266784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He flew his new Pike Superior Giant wing for two of the 7 rounds...it is the Brio wing extended to 130 with surfaces cut at 30%. Jojo used the Brio wing (short version of the Giant) during the Nats for some of the many maxes. Congrats JoJo! Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Jo Jo flying in for the OVSS in Lexington 8/27-28
The Concorde just reopened the doors for me. Wow you are amazing Gordy. You are stuck in Charlotte but got me a Concorde ;-) I am buzy going for the Norwegian Nationals this weekend anyhow so I called the pilot and called him off. I might go to Istanbul next month though!! Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:57:32 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Jo Jo flying in for the OVSS in Lexington 8/27-28 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1124747852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pack your bags jojo, the ticket will be at your house in the morning. Call me if it don't make it:-) gordy Stuck in Charlotte airport...still RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New USA F3J team
Congrats to the new teams. See you next year in Slovakia ;-) Looks like you had some hard trials! Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:25:02 -0600 From: Joseph Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] New USA F3J team Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, The juniors turned out 1) Joseph Newcomb 2) Casey Adamczyk 3) Cody Remington 4-alt) Kevin Steen thanks Joseph From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] New USA F3J team Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:20:32 -0700 (PDT) 1) Tom Kiesling 2) Joe Wurts 3) Skip Miller 4-Alt.) Craig Greening snipp RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: F3J landing technique
Imagine Hollandglide that is on a airfield with concrete and roads. Then have fairly good speed and touch the ground with the hook or tail before the tone. It was done last year. Dont know if they did rule changes this year (just implent a local rule). Might have to use a bit of kick-flap... Do it on grass and it is even more a risky thing Then again is the antenna a part of the plane? Personally NO. Hollandglide is the biggest F3J comp with 136 comp... This year the conditions were good and Mustafa was out of the finals loosing only 24 points Then again most F3J comps are not that much about those few thousands of a second. It is a case when there are many competitors and few rounds with throwout. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no At the US F3J team selections held last weekend in Denver, I heard for the first time, of a special landing technique that involves touching the ship's tail to the ground first to stop the clock, then flying on for a precision landing; presumably after the working time has ended! I was going to ask about this of some of the present pilots, but in the rush of scoring I forgot! So, if anyone has seen this, or better yet, can direct me to a video showing this technique, so I can get details, I would appreciate it! Thanks Tony O'Hara RMSA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Anyone know what type of Carbon is used on a Vladimirs models graphite wing?
Send Vladimir (or maybe thru Kennedy) an email. Vladimir is VERY easy to deal with on spare parts. He will probably be able to put a piece in the mail for you. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:38:08 -0500 From: Bernard Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Anyone know what type of Carbon is used on a Vladimirs models graphite wing? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm trying to figure out if the carbon fibre sheets used on my 3.45m graphite wing are unidirectional carbon or laminated cross directional. I need to replace the top sheet that makes up one of the flap servo bay areas (one flap servo is mounted to this carbon sheet) and I'm not sure what type of carbon material this is. I have a feeling it is cross directional and not uni but need to know for sure. Also,anyone know what thickness this material is. On my Graphite it looks to be around 0.021-0.014 inch but I do not have a micrometer to get an exact measurement. Thanks and hopefully someone can help me with this. -- Bernard Fraser RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Teaching a kid
My son is 8 and fly ALL my sailplanes. Buddycable and keep it in a fun level. The interest goes up and down all the time. But as long as we have a good time together I am very happy. Those days he is not interrested I try to keep the trip short. He seems to be of no interest of my AVA after flying it for a while. Then the next day I fly a inexpensive Fling and he is glowing of interest... So it is not about the plane but more about what's cool and what his father flyes. So as long as I say it is cool flying AVA that day he thinks so too! I try to take over as soon as it is too difficult and dont let him do advanced flying yet (windy conditions, slope flying F3F model, etc.). But my F3F model on the winch seems to be cool for him. I have yet not given him both ailerons and rudder as he has enough with 2 functions... Then again he is only 8... A simulator on the PC that have good graphics is extremely fun for them (almost like playstation). And the Tx can be used instead of a joystick on all those PC-games. Back to earth I think we are down to having fun and fly on his terms. I belive it is much of the same with one on 13 though I have some years left to that point. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no -- Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:17:10 -0400 From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rcse soaring@airage.com Subject: Teaching a kid Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, my son is 13... I have him on a spirit... I thought I would give him a Start flying a poly learn to thermal then put him into a full house ship. He doesn't fly much... When he does he doesn't listen too well... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] launch foreplay
Ruined some of Don`s new lines I brought to Nats in the evening... Dont remember what day. Just plug the 150m F3J line in the ground, tension up and give it a good toss. You need more than 5mph wind. Offcourse you can do it with longer lines ;-) You will need 1,4mm line or better of good quality since the tension will be much greater than any TD/F3B winch start... Before WC in 2002 we were testing lines this way and ended up with 1,7mm line breaking. The launches were offcourse insane ;-) Sadly this is not possible in competition. But it has been normal to do a few waves in F3B now. But if you keep waiting for that super tension (basically going up on the correct angle to the wind or wait for a thermal coming thru) the launch director will give you a warning. This because you take up the launch window for all other competitors. Though the rules say nothing about using time on the line!!! So this is being done on many F3B competitions though most people think it is a about tensioning the line by going to one side. It is about going waving untill you feel you got that correct angel to the turnaround compared to the wind. Thats the path you will be going up ;-) I was also amazed at Nats how many that did not go straight for the turnaround before zoom. There is a huge potensial in straightining that zoom up (level wings against your downforce basically). Have some video somewhere but cant seem to find it right now. For those interresting in Europe and F3J I got a bunch of pictures from Samba taken at last EC F3J. Look at www.F3J.com Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini http://www.grini.no Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:09:03 -0700 From: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] launch foreplay Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cool Daryl! Now you've given me more to work on. I've sure kept myself intertained this past year with this f3b stuff, I absolutly love it! It just gave me something all new to play with. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com-- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats detailed scores
I am one of those that loves to go thru my detailed scores... At Nats Robin Meek filled up my USB-memory every day and finally I got them out with details I know how much work is involved in scores since I also do them in Norway (and flying like Robin) Thanks Robin!! And offcourse all others involved in the Nats crew I just dumped the detailed scores in some txt-files as that should provide all needed. If you find something wrong I am pretty sure it is not Robin's fault but you signing the scorecard ;-0 Anyhow: http://www.f3x.no/nats 15 picture cd's went out today and more tomorrow! Once again thanks to all for a wonderful event. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Who supports their molded gliders
These models are all hand made in specific colors, layup, etc. To have all type of parts in storage is not possible. Though joiners, tubes, etc is offcourse a mail away. If one does not care about colors there is in most cases some in storage. Normally the producers of these models (Pike, Tragi, Sharon, etc) have 1-2months waiting time for parts. These type of models is not a Lego set made in 1000nds... Some producers have though chosen to make only a very few layups and colors available (like AVA/Organic/Crossfire/etc.). Then the possibillity of something in storage is bigger. So first of all contact your local dealer. Then contact all other earth dealer and at last try the producer... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no In a message dated 8/6/05 5:26:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to know which manufactures support their models with replacement parts. Mike, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats 2005 pictures on CD
I have a huge number of pictures (700 + a compiled video) that I dont find much room for on the internet. So: Any of you attending Nats can have one CD sent for free in the mail. All others can also have if you donate a dollar or 10 to my paypal Send me an email with your contact details and I will ship ;-) --- jo (@) grini.no Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Nats 2005 pictures on CD
Forgot to say that many of the pictures are from my good friend Robert Burson that kindly had his wings over me when Gordy fell asleep somewhere else ;-))) I have a huge number of pictures (700 + a compiled video) that I dont find much room for on the internet. So: Any of you attending Nats can have one CD sent for free in the mail. All others can also have if you donate a dollar or 10 to my paypal Send me an email with your contact details and I will ship ;-) --- jo (@) grini.no Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: RES not for the elite
I guess I am entitled to a little message here since I am NOT American and NOT a RES flyer. BUT I did attend RES. Why? Well because I would love to test the format and Barry gave me a chance to be there for it. RES is a completely different task because the models fly so differrently. I know the deal because I learned how to fly rudder elevator but was still thinking all wrong in the RES at Nats. I flew it like my MUCH faster Pike Brio and ended up on the ground under that thermal I was flying over to. And my timer did the same mistake as me. He wanted me to be on top of the pilot in that thermal just to be safe. Well that was my mistake at RES. A slow RES and no lead poored into that fuse you are not going anywhere. You will go up in a fart but might have to plan your way home halfway up that thermal. So basic: Those that win RES will be worthy the throphy. And if they get a full day they will be even more worthy. I dont think I will be flying RES next year as it is so big leap in differrence of flying style. But those that enter (one would have to enter and event to win it or become a champion) are THE best. And since it is Nationals he (or she) will be the National champion that year. There is no way around that case. IF I would enter Visalia and IF I happen to win I will probably call myself champion of Visalia and the biggest soaring event. But there is a lng way to Visalia. Anyhow I do feel I am a small part of your soaring and are proud to have been there ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:03:18 -0500 From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Subject: RES not for the elite Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm... according to Mr. Stump, those who fly RES are only there to get their chance at the podium - fliers eager for a scrap of the fleeting fame that comes from getting wood'. What does that say about the Nostalgia fliers? Sorry, Mike, some of us still enjoy the challenge of 3 channel flying or seeing a gaggle of completely different sailplanes. May we apologize for taking away from 6 days of unlimited - not! Jim Deck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 -- End of Soaring V1 #6135 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Thanks Jo Grini
Thanks guys. That was cool to hear. I had a blast in your company and on a few very rare occations one stumbles on such a great team effort ;-) The T-shirts are washed and I will have them on with pride for the next competition!! Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: Thanks Jo Grini Jo, When Rob Glover asked me if we should invite you to join our F3J crew at the NATS, I must admit to some apprehension. I knew that none of us were at the same level as you and I was worried that we might somehow cause you to be distracted from an outstanding performance. I was dead WRONG! You took us under your wing from the first meeting. Patiently helping us measure the line, install the condoms, tie the knots, supervise the equipment setupand keep the line cool. During the contest, you nurtured us to our best performances ever. It was amazing to see you fly great rounds from launches provided by towers who had never done it before. Thanks for your patience, guidance and friendship. Hilsen Don Richmond for the Arrogant Bastard team Rob Glover Larry Ruble
[RCSE] Re: Nats or why Jojo choose Nats..
Since my name came up I guess I will have to say a few words. I have never been to Visalia and who knows I might go one day. But what really triggered me for Nats (other than lots of friends backing up) is that it is: ---National Championship Soaring--- To me a National championship means that the best of the best is there and all others that likes to fly competition (and thereby be better at it). Those that were not there was held up by some way. Those will not be a National champion. Just like those that can not attend to the trials can not be world champion Also I had the chance to fly 4 competitions in a row on one trip. This is rather unique!!! I agree that it might have been strange if I won it. But I did not. There are so many good pilots in USA that wanted to beat me that I did not have a chance. Big funfly's and gathering I attend lots of times. I even have a funfly on the ice back home that I help arrange with 100+ pilots. But still nothing comes up to ---National Championship Soaring--- I know now that Nationals have a differrent meaning in the USA than we in Europe see it as. But still I feel that those I met in Muncie was people that liked the fact that they had to do an effort to get higher up that list. Yes even Daryl and Tom had to take out the very best of themselves (just two examples). To me a competition is the most important of all. At the same time I LOVE to share time with friends and NEW friends (which I got a lot of). A big hug from Norway PS there are room for both Nats and Visalia... and possibly a few more ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no -- Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:02:02 -0400 From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Marc Gellart' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Steve Meyer' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'TJB' [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marc and others: 150 registered, my error, but I did put a question mark after my number... it was a question. How many showed up? Counting multiple entries is like having dead people vote in a Chicago election, 150 is 150. :-) Anyway regardless of semantics, the numbers for NAT soaring attendance in no way reflects the potential pool of soaring pilots, my point. Also not to be misinterpreted, I love the fact that there is a NATs, that people do in fact work hard to produce it, and contest flying is a good thing if you enjoy it. What I see is the potential for a paradigm shift in the way we look at the NATS. As I guessed, many will object to any notion of change, it's human nature, it makes us uncomfortable, but looking at ways to boost all R/C soaring, not just the 80 pilots who fly TD at the NATs, is what I am talking about. I personally feel, and it is just my opinion, that there is room for several kinds of events at the NATS drawing more to the venue all at once. Letting them see first hand the competition, who knows some fun flyer guys or spectators might want to play TD or F3b. It's all about numbers, exposure and having an inclusive outlook, not an exclusive one. How to balance the so called fun flying or semi competitive events with the competition. Good question I guess. What is the goal or mission statement for the NATS? Is there one? I placed second in scale soaring at the NATS in 1999. Does it have any real significance? It is a nifty pc of wood, but since I was one of 5 pilots competing, it hardly has relevance to my flying skill. Granted an extreme example, but the point is the NATS has no real bearing on National standing just who won a single event in Muncie in July, no elimination series, no qualifying, just one other contest. I am just loving the discussion, and my comments have prompted some to speak out. it is only a forum, not a meeting of the AMA executive council. I don't have answers, just ideas and opinions like everyone else. The annual what events we should drop from the NATS talk got me going. The fact is attendance for any event will affect its likely hood of surviving, so my thought was if you are going to drop two meter, or hand launch, plus the way to controversial NOS discussion, what is in the wings waiting, how can the site be optimized and still have a NATs, one that draws 300 instead of 100. Does the NATS have to be The National Championship that some say it is because we say it is? Not a reason in my mind. Can it evolve to be a soaring showcase and National exposition of soaring as a community, not only a competition? Some made a big deal about one JoJo coming from Europe this year, why not make it jojo and company, an international invitational contest? Can we have a foreign national as US champion? Hey if you invite one... And so on... JD PS: For those saying put my money where my mouth is, I paid my dues, gave my efforts to organizing major events, submitting and passing rules change proposals for NATS events, for over 15 years, I feel somewhat qualified to talk on
Re: [RCSE] F3B winch for TD?
Ehhh have you tried ? Same distance to turnaround? -- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini http://www.grini.no Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:20:34 -0700 From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B winch for TD? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you like sucky launches... F3B winches are designed with mono in mind. They're weaker and don't have the drum speed to use a line with zero stretch. You might get away with it for launching light RES stuff. Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can an F3B winch be used for normal TD launching if the monofilament is taken of and 290 test line put on. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats F3J 2005 Scores
I took a photo of the scores and put them out for those interrested http://www.f3x.no/nats/ A great two days of flying and still more to come Thanks guys. I am having a blast. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Nats-Day 4-2M
Lachowski.. Scores at http://www.f3x.no/nats Thanks to Robin Meek for the scores ;-) I am still having a blast! Just waiting for that hurting in 2m. Tomorrow I guess. They are talking high winds and I have no lead for my borrowed Organic. But Gordy might pop some stuff out of his big truck though... -- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini http://www.grini.no From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:51 am Subject: [RCSE] Nats-Day 4-2M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Email Hot, and hotter and hottest. I saw 104 degrees on a bank gage at 6:00PM going to the hotel, but we survived. Do not know who is leading 2M, one of the ESL guys, Josh, Tom, or Mike I think. I am wooped and heading to bed. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats F3J 2005 Scores
Not sure the email got thru so sorry for the double I took a photo of the scores and put them out for those interrested http://www.f3x.no/nats/ A great two days of flying and still more to come Thanks guys. I am having a blast. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fw: EC F3J CONGRATS TO PHILIP KOLB
WOW just got from Jaroslav Vostrel (Samba) Flyoff EC F3J 2005 1: Philip Kolb (superior x) 2: Jan Kohout (superior x / pike plus) 3: Jaroslav Tupec (superior X) I am sadly (well having super time) in USA at Nats later today Congrats to all the winners Links and stuff at www.f3x.no Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no
[RCSE] Jojo at the Nats. Boring stuff
From the webpage: 22.july 2005 Woke up to some rain but just 1 hour later there is blue sky and calm hot weather. A little breeze outside that might be nice... http://www.f3x.no/nats -- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini http://www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: JoJo Burned us today at the Nats Really Warm Up In Louisville
I am laughing my buts of here in the hotel room that Gordy set me up in. I almost went to the hottub with gorgeus girls butgot myself straight and checked the email instead.I am having tons of fun here with Gordy and all the others. And that's even before Nats !! Detailed points are at www.f3x.no/nats Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no Having super quality time --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Gordy, You sure you aren't a short story Fiction writer? Never heard of so many excuses. :-) Should have had JoJo practicing 2 meter so his timing will be off for F3J. lol At 09:53 PM 7/21/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: At the end of the day, JoJo was 8 points off perfect and I was a miserable 15 points due to a last landing in which a airliner cause a reflection flast that happened to hit me right in the eyes (shouldn't have popped my sunglasses off for the landing!) and caused me to land long.
Re: [RCSE] Re: JoJo Burned us today at the Nats Really Warm Up In Louisville
I did not dare. Might fall in by just looking. No way American girls are fat and ugly. Get some nice ones in the starting block on F3J and I will forget about that clock... Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no - Original Message - From: Steve Meyer To: Jo Grini Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: "JoJo Burned us today at the Nats Really Warm Up In Louisville" Well here in America JoJo it courtesy to post pictures of Girls that you get in the hot tub. LOLAt 10:17 PM 7/21/2005, Jo Grini wrote: I am laughing my buts of here in the hotel room that Gordy set me up in. I almost went to the hot tub with gorgeus girls but got myself straight and checked the email instead. I am having tons of fun here with Gordy and all the others. And that's even before Nats !!Detailed points are at www.f3x.no/nats Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no Having super quality time--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Gordy, You sure you aren't a short story Fiction writer? Never heard of so many excuses. :-) Should have had JoJo practicing 2 meter so his timing will be off for F3J. lol At 09:53 PM 7/21/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: At the end of the day, JoJo was 8 points off perfect and I was a miserable 15 points due to a last landing in which a airliner cause a reflection flast that happened to hit me right in the eyes (shouldn't have popped my sunglasses off for the landing!) and caused me to land long.
Re: [RCSE] Re: JoJo Burned us today at the Nats Really Warm Up In Louisville
Ask Gordy. he is worse than me on girls... sadly or maybe goodwe are both happily married. I got very dark sunglasses to put on! Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no - Original Message - From: Steve Meyer To: soaring@airage.com ; Jo Grini Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: "JoJo Burned us today at the Nats Really Warm Up In Louisville" Alright an "Achilles Heel". Maybe I should stop at Jokers Wild Friday night and make deal. :-) Paid towers? SureAny donations?Steve At 10:28 PM 7/21/2005, Jo Grini wrote: I did not dare. Might fall in by just looking. No way American girls are fat and ugly. Get some nice ones in the starting block on F3J and I will forget about that clock...Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no - Original Message - From: Steve Meyer To: Jo Grini Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: "JoJo Burned us today at the Nats Really Warm Up In Louisville" Well here in America JoJo it courtesy to post pictures of Girls that you get in the hot tub. LOL At 10:17 PM 7/21/2005, Jo Grini wrote: I am laughing my buts of here in the hotel room that Gordy set me up in. I almost went to the hot tub with gorgeus girls but got myself straight and checked the email instead. I am having tons of fun here with Gordy and all the others. And that's even before Nats !! Detailed points are at www.f3x.no/nats Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Having super quality time --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Gordy, You sure you aren't a short story Fiction writer? Never heard of so many excuses. :-) Should have had JoJo practicing 2 meter so his timing will be off for F3J. lol At 09:53 PM 7/21/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: At the end of the day, JoJo was 8 points off perfect and I was a miserable 15 points due to a last landing in which a airliner cause a reflection flast that happened to hit me right in the eyes (shouldn't have popped my sunglasses off for the landing!) and caused me to land long.
[RCSE] Re: JoJo Hits Louisville tonite!
Well we have to see about that... stuck in Copenhagen for tech problems for a few hours. Might have to find some nice floor to lay my back on... Lots of security to go thru also everytime I need a beer! Anyhow I have plenty on days to travel on and Gordy gets a few more hours to prepare ;-) See you all! -- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo Jo Grini http://www.grini.no Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:00:28 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JoJo Hits Louisville tonite! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1121778028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get ready USA RC Soaring! Jo Grini arrives tonite in Louisville near midnite. The plan is to take him directly for a big rack of juicy ribs, then over to some local brew houses. No sleep the entire trip for him, we're gonna make this trip count. Then out to my horse for some cross country jumping. Then over to the field for some practice. More on the itinerary after his plane arrives :-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Hey JoJo, Gordy here from Minneapolis airport...delayed too!
Guess what! I arrived in Louisville and Gordy showed up as promissed! He was tired himself but set me up in a hotel room and promissed to pick me up tomorrow. Got my planes but clothes is still in Chicago. Updated the website from the wifi onboard the intercontinental flight. Cool but took a while to register. Check http://www.f3x.no/nats Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Subject: Hey JoJo, Gordy here from Minneapolis airport...delayed too! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1121802757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No worries Jo, I'm pretty confident we'll both make it to Louisville in time for some ribs and shine. I actually have a jar of it from my days traveling North Carolina and flying the Lump. Might even bring it along if someone needs some solvent for their throats or wing tape removal. Gordy Min airport this afternoon :-( RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JoJo will eat nats BBQ
I will. Then I will suddenly forget it or loose it in customs... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no From: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] JoJo will eat nats BBQ Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --=_122111406==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Okay who's bringing the Duct Tape? :-) At 07:03 PM 7/14/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even I will be there :-) Gordy Rochester NY tonite RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: US F3B Soaring Team / Nats
Good luck to the US team. Pitty I cant beat that Joe guy at Nats... I will have to settle for Gordy then ;- All you others might beat me of you want but Gordy are mine... Oh I forgot: The beating of Gordy is about eating ribs! I have made a deal with the Norwegian Team manager (Egil Roland) and he will update the Norwegian site from the WC F3B in Finland. So check out www.F3X.no or directly http://www.f3x.no/f3b/2005/ during the WC. Hopefully they will manage daily updates ;-) Egil is a guy with lots of experience in web and photos so I have faith in him ;-) I will be updating the same site for Nats www.f3x.no or direct link http://www.f3x.no/nats Not much there yet. Flight leaves on 19th... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: US F3B Soaring Team Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guys (and gals), Our US team leaves for Finland in about 1 1/2 weeks to represent all of us at the 2005 F3B World Championships. The team consists of Mike Smith, Gordon Jennings, and some guy named Joe somethin' or other, with Phil Renaud as TM. Mike and Gordon are flying better than ever - I know Mike has flown a few 14's at practice - and that Joe guy, well what can I say? He's always at the top of his game. I've never seen a US team where I thought each pilot had a true shot at individual victory. I think they are one of the strongest teams yet. Join me in wishing them the best of luck and skill as they go up against the best F3B pilots in the world. We'll miss you guys in Muncie, but we'll be following the scores from here Check out the website and get yourselves some last minute crap... uh shirts and stuff. ;-) http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3B2005.html Thanks for putting in the work guys! Go get 'em! D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Jojo to Nats - The last drop
That was the last drop in my bottle of Barbeque sauce that Gordy have been supplying me over the last year. I just cant wait to fill up the suitcase with a new supply. Pitty I cant fill up some ready made tons of meat also.. It will be good to see all I know and probably good to get to know the rest of you ;-) Packing up 2 Pikes (maybe 3 if it can fit), a JRand "over there an AVA and Organic are waiting for me. Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no
Re: [RCSE] MidSouth Champs Sucked..
Ouch... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 06:20:47 -0400 From: TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cliff E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] MidSouth Champs Sucked.. Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No shots below the belt..not while the Ref's looking anyways. Don't worry Cliff, there's nothing below Gordy's belt. - Original Message - From: Cliff E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] MidSouth Champs Sucked.. OK! You might be on to something here. We'll have a contest and see who can finally upset Gordy with a nasty post aimed at him. My guess is nobody will win but what fun we'll have trying! Keep it clean though. No shots below the belt..not while the Ref's looking anyways. Best wishes Cliff RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal
Order an Pike Zebra or Lightning scheme and you will get that eye-problem ;-) Well I have no problem with it... http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/797sup/jo_sup_el.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/826sup/launch_landing_sup.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/786supelectro/throw_sup_electro.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/789impx/jojo_throw_27458F3J_2004_Canada_14.jpgBut I do agree that to have a good and simple paint scheme is important.Actually you will see most Czech pilots fly two very different colorstips/midsection http://www.f3j.com/images/czech_ch_02.jpgAnd the Sharon and Space Pro is very often delivered with one stripe underonly one tip (8-10inches wide)Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no- Original Message -From: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 8:14 pmSubject: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Email Could you imagine that big boy lime green over purple!As you ordered. :) Pretty crude on my part, but you get the idea.http://www.knology.net/~jstone/barney-zebra.jpgJon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal
Something opposite. Preferably dark colors and yes differrent tips/midsection there too. My comment on the Sharon was only about bottoms. A green plane against a forrest will in some conditions almost dissapear. This might be important in some fields coming in for landing low... Flying F3B in 150km/h turning fast on A-base just 20m in front of you with a treeline in the back might be easier if you have a scheme you know well. Especially if you do something wrong and have to do a correction. But true. On far distance most colors look black. Thats why I dont have any problem with zebra. But I will not choose green/red zebra next time. Rather white/red as the blur coming past me or the treeline formes a better color for my eyes.. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Don Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: RE: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal Jo and others... I don't fly my plane upside down...why should it really matter what the top looks like? I think the bottom is most important. I've seen neon green/orange looking quite black from a 1/4 mile away trying to get back to make the landing. There just isn't enough surface area for my tired eyes to make out colors...especially profile views. What color Jo are those Czech pilots using on the bottom of their wings? Don -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:57 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal Order an Pike Zebra or Lightning scheme and you will get that eye-problem ;-) Well I have no problem with it... http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/797sup/jo_sup_el.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/826sup/launch_landing_sup.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/786supelectro/throw_sup_electro.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/789impx/jojo_throw_27458F3J_2004_Canad a_14.jpgBut I do agree that to have a good and simple paint scheme is important.Actually you will see most Czech pilots fly two very different colorstips/midsection http://www.f3j.com/images/czech_ch_02.jpgAnd the Sharon and Space Pro is very often delivered with one stripe underonly one tip (8-10inches wide)Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no- Original Message -From: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri Jul 1, 2005 8:14 pmSubject: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Email Could you imagine that big boy lime green over purple!As you ordered. :) Pretty crude on my part, but you get the idea.http://www.knology.net/~jstone/barney-zebra.jpgJon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: ballast ? wing/fuse
Problem with wing ballast is that you want differrent CG for different tasks. And maybe different CG on different wing loadings. This means you are stuck on one CG and will have to also put something in the nose (or take out) So even if it takes most time I like slugs and spacers... Lets take my Brio X-tail that I mostly fly on 119mm CG for duration tasks (from leading edge). Then in speed I fly it at 115mm with 1100g of lead (wing loading apx 51g/dm) In distance I like it to be at the same 115mm with 550g of lead (wing loading apx 42g/dm) Then I go to the slope and because of my flying style, wind gradient (turbulence) and shape of some slopes I vary from 112-119mm with 500g or 1000g.. My point is that my X-tail model likes to be neutral for speeds in F3B at 115mm but for other tasks I may shift it a bit.. Anyhow this discussion come sup every 2-4 months it seems ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no -- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:33:07 -0500 From: Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ian Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] ballast ? wing/fuse Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian, Good point on the fuse ballast when using slugs. All my fuse ballasted planes use different weight bars, tubes or slabs but all the same dimensions with the centre of the weight at the CG. I use aluminum, brass, steel or lead and can vary the weight through a wide range without changing the CG. Care would be prudent if you used slugs and spacers to get an even distribution of weight. -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com US distributor for Wizard Compact II, Opus DS V, Majko, Airtech models and PCM Erwin 5 models. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] F3B BAH memorial event short report
Maybe wrong part of the world for most of you but might be interresting for some of the F3B pilots F3B BAH memorial event: http://www.cirrus-rcfk.no/?main=f3b/f3b260605_eng.shtml http://www.cirrus-rcfk.no/?main=f3b/f3b260605_eng.shtml BTW: According to the Swedes that attended there will be an Ørebro Open Eurotournext year ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no
[RCSE] Re: batteries
On a 70A 510EN battery you will have 20-30 starts on a calibrated F3B winch deppending on the conditions, models used and setup of model. Most important is to change battery when you feel the power goes down AND charge it the same day. If you run a car battery empty or store it empty it will be ruined or become poor quickly. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:45:11 -0400 From: Richard Hallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring MESSAGES Soaring@airage.com Subject: batteries Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the days are getting shorter and winter is coming on ... Eddie the Eagle in sunny South Australia To this my wife says thank goodness particularly since yesterday we exceeded the long term record for the day by two degrees. But my batteries are getting tired with these longer opportunities that are getting shorter. Question. How many stalled F3B launches can be made on your F3B battery? So what is your battery size and how many launches? I may need to take multiple batteries or buy a new one. Thankyou. Rick Richard Hallett Pittsfield ME PS In case you did not know it the launch and the battery are entirely different for F3B compared to a normal club setup. -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: top or bottom driven ?
Ok I see there were plenty replies after I wrote this but anyhow... The name is Martin Hepperle he has a nice article about drag and linkage http://www.mh-aerotools.de/ Direct link http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/linkage.htm It might seem small but with the small differences in todays models the drag is very important. Might not be that important to a slow TD model. But for F3B/F on top level The linkage on the Superior/Brio is not super. There are solutions that are much better but most of them with more drag. But it is hidden and gives and drag advantage when flying fast (and also zoom). It is offcourse up to each customer to build a better linkage. Personally I change out the flap horns to more secure ones in 2mm carbon (because I land VERY hard). It comes down to that Samba wants a ready solution that works and with small drag. Customer just screws the horn in the correct angle and all is set to go (or atleast the customer will ahcive the 90 degree flap etc. without reinventing the wheel). Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:24:15 -0700 From: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: top or bottom driven ? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi all, I've been asked this a few times, and I give my opinion, but i want to see what you guys have to say. What gets better mechanical advantage, top or bottom driven linkage, and how much does the drag of bottom driven really effect things, if any ? My vote goes towards bottom driven. I can always get the throws I want, easy to set up and adjust, and gives a solid control surface. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Parachute for the winch
If you are planning on flying F3J or F3B I would suggest looking for 5dm2 size parachutes with welded rings or better. You dont want them to be to big. All dealers that have models from Samba (Brio, Superior, etc) www.f3j.com can supply them. www.f3x.com , www.specdoutsailplanes.com , etc. If you dont manage to get any I have 50pcs in stock and will bring to the Nats if I have any left by that time. Will also bring some of the new clear servo covers I can also ship if you dont manage to get were you live. Have in many colors. http://www.f3j.com/images/acc/parachute.jpg Dont know how big the ones from http://www.hilaunch.com/ are but from the picture they look ok. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:05:45 -0400 From: Marvin Tedrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Parachute for the winch Looking for suggestions as to the best place to purchase parachutes for = winches Looking for brighter colors, solid or in combination of colorsThanks RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking to share fuel
OK stop by Norway ;-) Regards jojo --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for 2 individuals to share in the expenses of a flight to Muncie for the Nats. I'll be taking my Lancair. Definitely more fun, but not as cost effective as flying commercially. Interested? Ping me offline. Thx, D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: How long is it :-) The Ext Antenna
You will have to check it while you hold it in your hand. To lay it down on the ground is of no use. The ground will shield all the signals. The antenna needs to be free out into the wind and your hand should be around the unit as a grounding object. Just like your car radio. The antenna is straight up with a small angle and the car acts like ground. If your car antenna is touching ground or the body of the car you will not be able to hear much radio. Atleast not in any good quality. Same with your model when you do range tests. No use of taking the test with the model on the ground. Your Rx was not meant to operate your model while it is on the ground But in your case you have the antenna on your Pike to the rudder so it might be ok still... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:45:36 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: How long is it :-) The Ext Antenna Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---snipp I tested mine with the earplug wire laying stretched out on the ground with the Checker on the ground too, as it would normally end up at most sites while you put your plane together. ---snipp Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: How long is it :-) The Ext Antenna
Personally I would love to have one in my club. But on 35mhz We have a super Aerospectra and there is nothing I have seen that does a better job. But a Hobbico would be easy for all pilots to check when the arrive at the field. I would put at our peg-board... The best of it would be that pilots gets aware of what they are doing and will think more next time they go for that peg. From the reports it seems that the Hobbico checker will do that job very well. So I agree with Gordy. Even though some might not do as advertized I would like to have one! Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Model-Scan
But there will not be another WC without a Aerospectra on 27-41mhz. Atleast not while I am attending Sadly I did not bring mine in Canada (I asked if I should bring it). And I think Keith said he was promissed one that did not turn up. There were some losses and no way to check why. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This unit works extremely well, in fact mine was used at the F3J worlds last year by the TX impound. I have had this unit and my spectrum analyzer (SA) out to areas of concern, the SA (HP8594E) backed up what the LLC unit was reporting. I built a 1/2 lambda dipole to use whith my SA, so it is significantly more sensitive, but the LLC unit has identified off site on- frequency stuff, as well as the localized. Whenever I slope fly, it is the first thing turned on. The LLC is great value for the money. After some testing and comparison with the SA, the graticules (signal strength) are very helpful in determining on or off site extraneous noise especially when utilizing the included antenna. Between the LLC, and an OptoElecronics 3000A frequency counter (over-the-air) I can ensure the flying area is secure and TX's are broadcasting on frequency (the 3000A will read the carrier to 8 digits), until someone turns on... Other cool tools OptoElectronics (http://www.optoelectronics.com/) offers; - X Sweeper; more performance than the Aerospectra - Xplorer; Tunable to all the frequencies we use - RF Detector; I really like this one - you can adjust the signal strength so that when on-frequency interference (along with your own emanating signal) while you are flying is experienced it will alarm (like someone turning on in the pits) while it hangs on your belt. There are lots of devices out there that offer much more than the Frequency checker offered by Tower or an ICOM (noise). RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: max wind speed for f3b contest ?
12m/s (26,8mph) Last year and 5 years ago (i think) we had Nationals (Norway) in 11-12m/s. Many pilots was way down the list because they had not practiced in these conditions.. I normally use 1,35 or 1,45 line and only use the pedal for the first 1sec and the zoom (so I dont get the line tangelled into the elevator) Cant beat those mono launches with a strong F3B model full of lead ;-) 320m is my personal best (1050ft) that I have managed to meassure. From the Ciam rules (sc4-abr.05.pdf) B.13. INTERRUPTION OF THE CONTEST B.13.1. The contest may be interrupted or the start delayed by the Jury if: a) The wind is continuously stronger than 12 m/s (9 m/s for Free Flight, Scale and Space Models) measured at two metres above the ground at the starting line (flight line) for at least one minute (20 seconds for Free Flight), unless specified otherwise in category rules. b) The visibility prohibits proper observation of the models (especially in case of F/F or R/C contest) or due to atmospheric conditions it would be dangerous to continue the competition. c) It is necessary to reposition the starting line. This may only take place between rounds, or groups in F3B and F3J. d) The prevailing conditions are such that they may lead to unacceptable sporting results. e) For F3A, F5A, F3C and F4C contests the sun is in the manoeuvring area. In the event of an interruption during a round, the remainder of the round may be completed as soon as conditions allow, with adequate notice given to all competitors and Team Managers. --- Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:40:53 -0700 From: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: max wind speed for f3b contest ? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi, anyone know what this is ? thought i would practice some speed runs in the wind. had 42oz of ballast in the X-21, wind blowing 22-30 mph with good thermal activity, launching on mono, UNBELIEVABLE launches!!! Had my heart pumping good, until i go to land in my rotor riddled field, brought the heart to a fast stop trying to land this thing. :-) doesn't help having 30 mph winds cycling there way thru a bunch of airplane hangers. :-) Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
Should probably shut up again since I have never launched on a braided line.. But cant help it ;-) Here in Norway we have recently (1,5years now) gone from towmen and teams and to winches but still teams (we still do towmen at the Nationals though). In the first competition we found the biggest problem was that we wanted to change starting positions but leave the winches. This resulted that your team suddenly starts on a line and setup they have no control over. The plane just did not know if the line was prepared proerly (checked) and if the winch was set up properly. An improper winch can work ok for poor launches but get badly wrong when a big model tugs hard... Then there is an issue that some like thin line and maybe less diameter while others like something else. We ended up that your team needs to stay in one place with their winches but switch landing spots. Point is that as long as you have control of your equipment it is your fault you pop of. But when you HAVE to borrow another winch because of how the competition is set up you will have to ask the CD for a relaunch. On all other competitions (non of those are man on man) the pilot will have a relaunch if the line breaks or something goes wrong in the equipment. Even in electrics we do this. Todays controllers (and even batteries) can play us tricks that we can not control. We want the best pilot but that also offcourse knows how to outlaunch everybody else! Cant wait to test those big winches on braided so I know what you are talking about Hilsen (Regards) Jojo (that do 1kw launches higher than most...) www.grini.no - Original Message - Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:42:26 -0500 From: Denny Zech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gordy, I can see your points on line breaks, but pop offs are almost always in the polots control, like landings. It takes some small amount of skill to launch successfully, just like landing on the spot. If someone has cut- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: AMA sent me a DVD
What if the DVD was all for free and there was nothing about donating? We have been thinking of doing that in Norway. (giving it away together with the bimonthly magazine) WIll the crowd understand that it is free and that nobody have earned money on it? Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:07:53 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] AMA sent me a DVD Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't assume without proof that AMA sold the list itself to this company. They are smarter than that. Typically, I think the way it works is the mail merging and labeling and shipping happens at AMA, it has to, otherwise, there's little to stop the marketing guys with the video from re-selling the list to others or re-using it themselves, and then AMA would only get to sell or rent the list information once. That would be REALLY stupid, criminally stupid. By holding the list to themselves, they ensure they retain it's value for re-selling over and over. If they ARE just handing over a CD ROM of addresses to anybody who pays for it, the management need to be severely censured for bad management practices. So you don't like the DVD, it's your right not to pay for anything you didn't ask for. I think if you look thru your membership fine print, you can specify someplace that you opt out of any such lists for similar future projects. I don't blame the Academy for seeking revenue enhancements other than across the board dues increases. Those are never popular, yet more than ever modelers need the Academy for it's help in keeping and getting fields and permissions in a world where the free space grows tighter every year. And we need their good offices lobbying for our interests for spectrum space as well, it's always under threat from more commercial interests. All that DOES take money, believe it or not. Voluntary contributions like this DVD idea may help defray costs, if they are executed properly. Whether that is the case here is not something I care to debate, not having a dog in that particular fight and not having seen the video in question. I will say I have a bunch of their old videos from the 80's and 90's that we used in club outreach and public mall show efforts and they were quality product for their era. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re:F3J is not for me...or my Pikes :-(
Well does not matter if it is F3X or whatever. The tree elephants are cruel... Today one of them jumped out and grabbed my Pike while I was fiddling with my camera to get some landing shots. But 30min in the workshop made it happy again (it is and will always be a comp. model so a scratch or two is ok..) I dont have any fancy car but got to testdrive and testfit my modelbox here the other day. http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/813morgan/morgan_model.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/813morgan/morgan1.jpg But I think I would rather buy some more planes than a new car. Oh btw it is brand new (the car). 500 built each year. Richard Hammond was going to have this color (ordered a few days after) but they dont produce two similar cars so he had to choose something else... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:49:26 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re:F3J is not for me...or my Pikes :-( Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gordy - F3whatever can be frustrating and expensive. They are great events, but you really need to be ...committed. Sorry to hear that you had a less that optimal event. OTOH, we all had a great time in Tullahoma flying RES and Unl in flat air with Chuckie, Kendall, Flyin Brian, Herbie, the Clevelands, the Hotlanta guys, and a cast of thousands (or at least several). It's not every day I get to share air with Royce Salmon, and I cherish the opportunity. The best part of soaring competition is that guys who are seasoned still show up and give us the pleasure of their company. Include guys like Ron Swinehart, Russ Behr, Rex Powell, it's just too good to miss. My thrill for the day was when Martha let me drive her Mercedes SLK AMG. 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and great comfort is a hoot. Very tight and flat in the corners, well polished. She got the car that she deserves. Chuckie still hasn't let me drive his old 'Vette, so I'm gonna have to keep going back for more. happy trails - Rob Glover -- Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:07:49 -0500 From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:F3J is not for me...or my Pikes :-( Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have to be a Mercedes SLR to be doing 0-60 in sub 4... 8-) (I could do 4.3 sec. 0-60's fairly repeatedly on my old SuperCar tires on my Z06 with little to no traction in first, and getting a good shift to second. I need to try out the new shoes I just put on it.) At 11:49 PM 5/29/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My thrill for the day was when Martha let me drive her Mercedes SLK AMG. 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and great comfort is a hoot. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Pike Superior ??
Oops the email should have been private since it was with attachment... Well not any big picture luckily so no big harm done I guess Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Pike Superior ?? Hi there! snipp-- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Pike Superior ??
Very nice pages and some detailed and good testreport. Again - whats written is more important than design... Did not know it was difficult to get metric clevices. I will tell Samba. Maybe they will include as a standard (they do include if one orders with) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:53:28 -0700 From: Warren Mansonhing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Pike Superior ?? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've put some assembly notes on my Pike Superior here: http://www.badger.rchomepage.com/pikesup.html Right now it's a showdown between the Big 4: Pike, Icon, Supra and Escape to see which I prefer. Warren RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Splatter
Oscillating frequencies (when two pilots stand close together with antennas up) is a problem in Europe on 35mhz. Dont know about 72mhz. It is mostly a problem on the ground but can also be a problem for models passing and with poor Rx's... My club also have a Aerospectra Channel Analyzer (programmed for 27-41mhz) and I have been using this for a good while now. The analyzer can detect this problem. It detects most problems we have (mostly poor Tx's) and have been a very good investment since we organize big events. We even rent it out for other clubs that have big events. But still I would love a Hobbico when/if it becomes available on 35mhz. It would be understanable for pilots in the club that comes for the peg. I would like the Hobbico channel checker to be on the peg-board while I still have the Aerospectra for more specific work Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:31:02 -0700 From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring List Soaring@airage.com Subject: Splatter Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This idea of a clean transmitter is an interesting problem. I know this list has a lot of radio professionals. Can a transmitter leak the signal? I know I've experienced this in some big hand launch contests when you have 12 radios on at the same time. I've had hits when I know no one is one my channel. If it's true, shouldn't a transmitter frequency check be required at the start of any large contest? JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:43:21 -0700 (PDT) To: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: REply: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend This would be a huge loss to the the R/C community, as you can actually eyeball if a Tx is clean or not without a scope and an advanced degree. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Receiver Malfunctions after Contact with Power Lines
Not the same but anyhow... I am lucky to be alive. After a F3F competition last weekend Helge Borchert (German pilot) flew his Crossfire (flew nice btw..) and suddenly shouted for no contact. He went down far behind and while I flew a prototype Taifun my friend Espen asked if I heard a strange sound? I could not hear anything but a few minutes later while I was landing I heard the sparkling sound and it came from MY antenna on my JR 9303 radio (borrowed from Horizon hobbies for Nats). Holy macarony it was a thunderstorm building up and it was lightning around us. The electricity made me and my antenna a good ground object to go for so I landed immediately. Just after the landing a tornado formed after a big bang and Helge came back with his radio saying: Modell 1 wurden verandert... It had gone crazy by the sparkling electricity. Crazy Pictures: http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/804open/mc24.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/804open/tornado.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/804open/tornado2.jpg Tornados (atleast big enough to take some beachhouses this one) is very rare in Norway... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:31:11 -0500 From: Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Receiver Malfunctions after Contact with Power Lines Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:35:36PM -0500, Steve Meyer wrote: |Sound like StarWars started early out there and a phase pulse |with resulting EMF wave fried the sensitive components. I don't see how. If they're the power lines I'm thinking of (to your right when you're facing away from the road, where you fly?) they're a long way away -- a quarter mile? Certainly, the incident could cause a nice surge of RF noise, but I'd expect it to be over within a second. And I wouldn't expect it to damage any R/C receivers more than 100 feet away, though a momentary glitch during the event wouldn't surprise me. And if the RF (EMP?) created by the crash really was strong enough to damage R/C receivers a ways away, I'd hate to see what it could do to the electric company's equipment, or any subscribers on that line, since they'd have a much more direct route. What sounds more likely is that the power lines (or insulators, or something else) were damaged, and now they're emitting RF noise (as power lines occasionally do under the right (wrong?) conditions) that could be causing you problems. Of course, problems caused by that wouldn't be restricted to planes that were at the field at the time of the incident.) Were the malfunctions just glitches _during_ the crash, or did they show up after? What sort of malfunctions are you talking about -- not working at all, glitching where there was none before, etc. ? I'd hate to have to do it, but it sounds like you should call the electric company and let them know what happened, if you haven't done so already. They really should at least take a look and make sure no damage was done, and they should be able to determine if they're emitting RF noise. (I guess they might also send you a bill for the inspection and/or damage -- I'm not sure how that sort of thing works. I guess the AMA insurance would cover it, however.) | Does anyone have knowledge of whether or how such a contact | with power lines might generate interference which would cause | a receiver some distance away to fail? I can't think of any common (i.e. happens often) source of a am EMP stronger than a lightning strike, and I've never heard of a lightning strike near a house damaging any R/C receivers in it if they weren't plugged into a charger or something. (Now, a TV or radio with a large external antenna, that's a different matter.) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet Einstein turned himself all sorts of colors before he invented the light bulb. --Homer Simpson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS and Line Breaks
In Sweden (and lately also Norway) they have used low power winches for quite a while now. They use regular F3B winches with extra resistors to form a pull of 20kg (apx 700oz or 44lb) on the line. This makes starts a bit more even for F3B models compared to RES models. And there will be no linebreaks unless the wind is very strong or it is damaged. They also try to use apx same drum size on all winches. Best of it is that no matter what model you have one can step on the pedal all the way. You dont need to be careful with those beginner RES-planes... Personally I feel that this is a good solution for most competitions. We have known for a long time now that resistors on F3B winches was a very good move to make. Although F3B winches are much more powerful than 20kg offcourse. For F3B and F3J (yes we use winches in some F3J comp.) we still use normal F3B force offcourse. Sadly I have never tried your US-style winches with braided line so cant comment on all issues. But will during Nats I guess ;-) Airplane ticket to Nats is ordered... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no -Original Message- From: Jeff Steifel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:52 PM To: John Cc: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] OVSS and Line Breaks I don't think a weak link works. You want to keep things moving a link only serves to slow things down. I think the FAI solution works great. Limit the power on the winches. The resistored winches cut the power down and then everyone is nearly identical in power. Now does this solve line breaks... somewhat... it certainly cuts it down a considerable amount if you lower the power and level the playing field. But breaks will still happen especially on windy days. In the ESL we noticed that new spools from Memphis twine had bad spots in it. After clearing the breaks, the lines rarely broke. We don't respool between contests any more, only when the line gets ragged. This is consistent with my experience with my own clubs and also retriever lines too. 3 years ago at the nats I hit the pedal and broke the line. before I got any tension. Fortunately I got another winch. But the no relaunch policy doesn't allow for bad retrieves, or a previous bad launch. What about someone who launches before you and pulls the knot to exterme. or stresses the ring. The no relaunch doesn't work. BUT neither does letting the person relaunch with all the markers in the air. Either let them launch again or relight the group. If you let them relight it must be point the plane to the ground and land... no dilly dallying anyone caught slowing up for a reading of air should forfeit their flight. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Receiver Malfunctions after Contact with Power Lines
Oh yes. Offcourse I thought about WC in Canada. But not the Tornado that took the tent. On practice days me and Aril (another Norwegian pilot) flew when a dustdevil formed. We heard many shouted land and hold on to your stuff. Both me and him headed straight for the devil and got kicked out a few times before we entered the center for some breathtaking lift. So yes I did think about it For those that wasnt there... http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2004/pictures9/Resize%20of%20P8050068.JPG http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2004/pictures9/Resize%20of%20P1010089.JPG Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Receiver Malfunctions after Contact with Power Lines Awesome pics, glad to hear you are safe. Did you think you were at the F3J Worlds in Canada for a moment. :-) At 01:16 PM 5/17/2005, Jo Grini wrote: Not the same but anyhow... I am lucky to be alive. After a F3F competition last weekend Helge Borchert (German pilot) flew his Crossfire (flew nice btw..) and suddenly shouted for no contact. He went down far behind and while I flew a prototype Taifun my friend Espen asked if I heard a strange sound? I could not hear anything but a few minutes later while I was landing I heard the sparkling sound and it came from MY antenna on my JR 9303 radio (borrowed from Horizon hobbies for Nats). Holy macarony it was a thunderstorm building up and it was lightning around us. The electricity made me and my antenna a good ground object to go for so I landed immediately. Just after the landing a tornado formed after a big bang and Helge came back with his radio saying: Modell 1 wurden verandert... It had gone crazy by the sparkling electricity. Crazy Pictures: http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/804open/mc24.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/804open/tornado.jpg http://www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/804open/tornado2.jpg Tornados (atleast big enough to take some beachhouses this one) is very rare in Norway... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Jojo and the NATS
Gordy is crazy enough to let me borrow his Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Jojo and the NATS Interesting... this will be fun. :-) Jojo you have a 2 meter? (Besides a sloper) At least you can get 2 days of practice in before the real planes. LOL Steve At 01:29 PM 5/17/2005, Jojo wrote: Sadly I have never tried your US-style winches with braided line so cant comment on all issues. But will during Nats I guess ;-) Airplane ticket to Nats is ordered... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Receiver Malfunctions after Contact with Power Lines
That's the language of a German Graupner MC24 radio... See you ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Don Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Receiver Malfunctions after Contact with Power Lines big bang and Helge came back with his radio saying: Modell 1 wurden verandert... It had gone crazy by the sparkling electricity. Crazy I don't know Norwegian Joe...or is that suppose to be English!!! 8-0 I bet you found good lift!!! **sigh** Great photos! ~Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
