[RCSE] leaving list
Not a bad thing I am sure to the few detractors I have accumulated here. But I would like to thank Mike Lachowski for his contribution along with MAN for getting this first of its kind forum started years ago when no others existed. I have been along for the ride for 7-8 years best I can recollect. Lots of good discussion and lots of garbage. Nothing more and nothing less than any email list I have experienced. I remember the guy who challenged Joe Wurts to a MOM contest, cant remember the name, but he was a classic spammer, and no one got it. He had a way of generating lots of reactionary posts which on occasion clogged the server. I also remember with sadness Martin Simons being driven off by uninformed critics who had no idea of the worth and wealth of information he had to offer. I also recall the many informative technical posts and discussions over the years from the likes of Don Stackhouse, Martin S., Mark Drela, Simon V., Bob Dodgson, and my hero Harley Michaelis. There are now too many other option for my particular niche and soaring in general available on the web as full featured forums with photo capability etc. Everyone on this list is also on the others for the most part, so it is redundant to be a member here. I get so many emails as it is, I cant justify receiving the plethora of mostly personal notes and back and forth banter now prevalent here. I can check it out on RC groups if needed. Thanks and see you at the flying field, scale flying that is. Best, JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] for sale
Selling for a customer, New in box RTF Sperber. No longer available in this rtf form, a rare bird. sold last for $1195.00. this one will go for $995.00 plus shipping. (DHL) This one was made by LET model in the CZ R. Slip on nose cone molded fuse slip on nose cone molded stab and rudder wires and wing to fuse plugs installed with harness. vinyl pre-applied oracovered obeche wings polyhedral with molded winglets spoilers flaps, two ailerons, rudder ,elevator 16-24 cell electric or pure glider. ply radio battery tray included. stab has plug in servo cable installed no servos or motor drive components JD 570-596-2392 email; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] new from EMM
NEW from Krause EMM The Sperber semi scale sailplane or electric sailplane. High quality lower price in a kit form. These are manufactured as are all the Krause planes. Wing tip winglets available, decals included, This Sperber is the new advanced straight wing design. Longer span, (4.6 meter) higher aspect ratio than the original. Kits are supplied with spoilers installed and ailerons cut out per the above specs, flaps are not cut, but I can either mark them out for you at no charge, or cut them for a small fee. New style plywood servo tray installed. Set up for use with geared brushless electric motor on 16 cells, I have used as many as 24 cells on this plane with no performance penalty. Motor mount, wing connector, and small parts included. In Stock. Airfoil, HQW 2.5/13. wing area: 1340 sq. inches http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/krause_kit_details.htm Thanks, JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RE: Airtronics new digital wing servo
For me 80% of what a product will do relates to the service and support behind the product. Servos from all the major players all have good and reliable product. In my opinion Horizon /JR has the best factory support and team support in the field, plus the widest range of quality servos. Daryl flies what he is given or discounted by a sponsor, most of us have to buy our gear. Two years ago it was Multiplex if I am correct :-) For the beginner: Buy what your well established, experienced club mates fly, not the experts, get good sound grass roots advice from your local support group. Then decide what works for you. Price point is not the best way to choose, but for the average pilot off brands seem to be the common choice. When you progress to the point where you can tell the difference in servo response and reliability, then you may wish to actually feel the difference. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:42 AM To: Danny C Williams Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] RE: Airtronics new digital wing servo Hmmmso it would seem they wash our dishes and blow our noses as well?? Sounds like they will win a contast for ya too... Danny C Williams wrote: I have to agree with DP here no matter how much I do not want tolol I had gotten my hands on some of new production Digital Airtronics servos... and I have to say that other than being smaller, lighter, faster, stronger, and cheaper, other that this I would have to say that they have no advantage over brand X servos. :^) Dr. Danny Williams Colorado Springs, CO Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Recovering expenses - models for sale
If this is the Space I think it is, I had it built for him when I imported HKM products. Daryl can confirm if it is the same one... With the specific custom spar and skin layups, it would have had a street value of about $1500.00. (Airframe only). Stabs also are a special layup with carbon skins. There is not another one like it in the world. An unbelievable value at the price Daryl is asking. Heck if I had a winch, I would buy it back. ;-) JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:11 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Recovering expenses - models for sale Insanity is sold. Space Pro still up for grabs. Pics should be available in the next few minutes. Thx, D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly, error
Once again: Along the way, some one else changed the message header to national fun fly I replied to their message without realizing that it would be inferred I was advocating this, I am not lobbying for a National Fun Fly, I did that for 5 years in Elmira for scale sailplanes (1995-2000). No need to do it again, Pete Goldsmith is doing a great job at Monticello with the JR Aertotow. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly
Then as I said originally, why pretend it is a national championship? Call it what it is (your words not mine) or revise it to reflect the current trends. Hey if everyone is happy the way it is, then me too, but apparently there are a lot of people who would like to see a change, either exclude this or include that, or have two days of this not that. There is a trend to utilize the site for less competitive competitions ie, Scale aerotow XC, and Woodcrafters, and the April DARTS aerotow, why not embrace the larger agenda, which is to get more people to the NATS, and the National flying site. As I also said, the diehards who think hard edge competition is the only way to have fun are increasingly in the minority. Think about it, how many competitors attend the soaring NATS? 80? And on any given day there are maybe 20-40 pilots flying at a huge flying site at any one time. How many R/C non competitive types exist? hundreds? Thousands? The math does not support the current site usage, if the point is to get more people to Muncie, then you will most likely see more less competitive events at the Muncie site. The reason is that competitions are labor intensive and time intensive, Semi competitions and true Fun fly events, not saying we need to completely replace competition, which is not my thrust here, but the fact remains that by mixing the two you might get more people getting a chance to fly per event week, draw more attendees, both flying and spectators to the NATS. Vendors and industry exhibitors might be more incline to display and participate because of the increased product placement exposure. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:59 AM To: TJB; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly Don't you think that the pilots that landed out in Unlimited on the 1st day treated the second day as a fun fly? It was for me. (There is no dropout round.) When your not competing in the top 20 it's just a fun fly. If you would take a poll, most pilots would say, I'm here to have fun. Don't understand why a fun fly would gather more people. You either want to fly with other people or you don't. Some pilots are just introverts that fly their own air. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:23 PM 8/2/2005, TJB wrote: In the majority of flying clubs in our area, only a very few are seriously interested in competition. Out of 20 club members, last year, I was the only one who showed up for our ESL contest on the second day. Lancaster has the same problem. I would venture to say, if there was a National Fun Fly for a week, there might be a good turn out. It doesn't even have to be on the same schedule as the NATS. T TG 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'TJB' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Soaring List' soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year Now there is an idea, basically what I was getting at, contests and fun every year. De-emphasize the contest aspect as the die hards know who they are, and will always show up, we need to attract the rest, the guys who don't always come, who care less about rigorous competition, who will support the National Flying site with their presence if it is relevant to their interests, not the minority of top level competition pilots. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: TJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:54 PM To: Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year would have Monday for 2M, Tues and Wed for Open, Thurs would be RES, Fri morning hand launch and Friday afternoon NOS. Events like F3B, F3J, X-Country and Scale would be on the weekend before or after. JE Would probably be the end of NOS. Just not that many flying it. It won't be long and NOS will be 30 year old planes. It is so limited. If they set the category for 20 year old planes (more like it was when it started), it would open up the field for more fliers. I would come an extra couple days early if they had XC and Scale every year. It doesn't even have to be a contest, just two days set aside at the beginning of the schedule. T With the introduction of production planes like the Ava and the Topaz, RES is now the fastest growing segment of plane in this neck of the woods. Where it used to be just a few people it is now nearly even with the amount of Open class entries. There are several fliers that have won Open contests with these planes and it isn't a fluke. Over the last year I have consistently scored
RE: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly
Marc and others: 150 registered, my error, but I did put a question mark after my number... it was a question. How many showed up? Counting multiple entries is like having dead people vote in a Chicago election, 150 is 150. :-) Anyway regardless of semantics, the numbers for NAT soaring attendance in no way reflects the potential pool of soaring pilots, my point. Also not to be misinterpreted, I love the fact that there is a NATs, that people do in fact work hard to produce it, and contest flying is a good thing if you enjoy it. What I see is the potential for a paradigm shift in the way we look at the NATS. As I guessed, many will object to any notion of change, it's human nature, it makes us uncomfortable, but looking at ways to boost all R/C soaring, not just the 80 pilots who fly TD at the NATs, is what I am talking about. I personally feel, and it is just my opinion, that there is room for several kinds of events at the NATS drawing more to the venue all at once. Letting them see first hand the competition, who knows some fun flyer guys or spectators might want to play TD or F3b. It's all about numbers, exposure and having an inclusive outlook, not an exclusive one. How to balance the so called fun flying or semi competitive events with the competition. Good question I guess. What is the goal or mission statement for the NATS? Is there one? I placed second in scale soaring at the NATS in 1999. Does it have any real significance? It is a nifty pc of wood, but since I was one of 5 pilots competing, it hardly has relevance to my flying skill. Granted an extreme example, but the point is the NATS has no real bearing on National standing just who won a single event in Muncie in July, no elimination series, no qualifying, just one other contest. I am just loving the discussion, and my comments have prompted some to speak out. it is only a forum, not a meeting of the AMA executive council. I don't have answers, just ideas and opinions like everyone else. The annual what events we should drop from the NATS talk got me going. The fact is attendance for any event will affect its likely hood of surviving, so my thought was if you are going to drop two meter, or hand launch, plus the way to controversial NOS discussion, what is in the wings waiting, how can the site be optimized and still have a NATs, one that draws 300 instead of 100. Does the NATS have to be The National Championship that some say it is because we say it is? Not a reason in my mind. Can it evolve to be a soaring showcase and National exposition of soaring as a community, not only a competition? Some made a big deal about one JoJo coming from Europe this year, why not make it jojo and company, an international invitational contest? Can we have a foreign national as US champion? Hey if you invite one... And so on... JD PS: For those saying put my money where my mouth is, I paid my dues, gave my efforts to organizing major events, submitting and passing rules change proposals for NATS events, for over 15 years, I feel somewhat qualified to talk on the subject. Not bragging, just been there done that, and know the realities of it. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Marc Gellart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:35 PM To: John Derstine; 'Steve Meyer'; 'TJB'; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: RE: [RCSE] National Fun Fly John, Just a short note to straighten up some numbers you used. Soaring had 153 regisitered pilots and 408 total entries for the Nats(2.3 entries/pilot). Electric looks more like what you are talking about than soaring and the AMA takes notice that we have the second or third largest group at the IAC for the Nats(pattern has the largest number I believe). You made the comment about Woodcrafters and the Dayton Aerotow, half of WC is competition and the Dayton event does good to have a few fliers RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] The NATS, Format: 2M, Unlimited, F3X, HLG, RES, NOS, etc...
Another idea is to make the NATS a national fun fly, which it essentially is anyway. A week of soaring anything you want, how you want, with whom you want. Scale funflys have been (off and on for over 10 years) drawing more people to event venues years than the NATS. Think of how many participants you could get if you dropped the façade of a national champion contest which it is not; and invited all soaring disciplines to Muncie for a week of friendly competition, fun flying, and camaraderie. Supporting observations: 1. contest entries are down as a trend in recent years. 2. There is no tiered elimination system (i.e. scale masters et al) to actually say the NATS represents anything but another regional or national contest. Does anyone actually think it is representing a national champion based on a one day contest that anyone can sign up for? 3.From the banter on this exchange it would seem visiting with old friends, hand launch golf, and barbecue, hold the most importance to many. 4. embrace all forms of soaring every year instead of alternating some to a bi annual status. By de-emphasizing rigorous competition, volunteer numbers could be reduced and assigned to logistic roles such as an impound that actually scans all frequencies, monitors all channels in real time environment, and checks participants equipment for compliance at sign up. Creating a safe venue will draw more people. Instead of having a barbecue that is sponsored and invitation by word of mouth, organize a real feed, promote it in the official program. Offer a true raffle to all attendees, and get heavy industry support which will be easier if more folks attend, participate, and are eligible to win. For those who need to massage their egos with winning contests and holding some sort of national record, provide a few contests in FAI classes which have meaning world wide not just here in the U.S. Have days designated for team trials, if a long enough time slot at Muncie was available. Most importantly offer a National level venue for an exchange of ideas on all aspects of R/C soaring, to all kinds of pilots, not just an insular group of competitive diehards. I am sure to draw fire from those who will take exception to these notions, or feel threatened by them. The status quo rarely acquiesces to a mere suggestion of change, too many agendas both organizational and personal stand in the way. Rather than dashing off a knee jerk reaction, tuck this away for later and read it carefully with out preconceptions. JD Never afraid to challenge the status quo, and think outside the box. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Flying High [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:44 PM To: exchange Subject: [RCSE] The NATS, Format: 2M, Unlimited, F3X, HLG, RES, NOS, etc... LET'S JUST GET OUT AND SOAR!! Looking forward to next year! my 2 cents, Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] The NATS, Format: 2M, Unlimited, F3X, HLG, RES, NOS, etc...
Taken in the correct perspective, Bill, yes Elvis would be good, but he has left the building, and so have many contest attendees, we can close our eyes watch the numbers drop until there are 5 guys arguing format and rules at the NATs or we can do something about it. But have no fear, I don't have any illusions about the reality of this actually happening,.. or Elvis returning for that matter. It is the thought that counts. Have no fear, my bubble is not burst, just bigger than most, to absorb more diversity in approach and thinking. Bubble on, or is that babble. :-) JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Swingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:18 PM To: John Derstine; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] The NATS, Format: 2M, Unlimited, F3X, HLG, RES, NOS, etc... I hate to burst your bubble, John. But, yes, many many need the contest format to have fun. Yes, I pitty them too. Especially when they argue over the rules!! The really good pilots don't argue. They just show up and compete. The others have to fuss over the details. But what are we going to do? They are a large bunch and sometimes they buy the soda pop. Here's an idea: Elvis impersonators! That's what we need. DANG! Pathetic. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year
Now there is an idea, basically what I was getting at, contests and fun every year. De-emphasize the contest aspect as the die hards know who they are, and will always show up, we need to attract the rest, the guys who don't always come, who care less about rigorous competition, who will support the National Flying site with their presence if it is relevant to their interests, not the minority of top level competition pilots. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: TJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:54 PM To: Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year would have Monday for 2M, Tues and Wed for Open, Thurs would be RES, Fri morning hand launch and Friday afternoon NOS. Events like F3B, F3J, X-Country and Scale would be on the weekend before or after. JE Would probably be the end of NOS. Just not that many flying it. It won't be long and NOS will be 30 year old planes. It is so limited. If they set the category for 20 year old planes (more like it was when it started), it would open up the field for more fliers. I would come an extra couple days early if they had XC and Scale every year. It doesn't even have to be a contest, just two days set aside at the beginning of the schedule. T With the introduction of production planes like the Ava and the Topaz, RES is now the fastest growing segment of plane in this neck of the woods. Where it used to be just a few people it is now nearly even with the amount of Open class entries. There are several fliers that have won Open contests with these planes and it isn't a fluke. Over the last year I have consistently scored better with my Topaz than with my Open class plane, primarily because of the ability to just drop it on the spot and have it stick. They are so light they don't carry too much momentum. They thermal easier, the handling is excellent, they just don't like as much wind, but then again, they can successfully be ballasted. In the big monthly contests SWSA holds, the number of Open class planes is probably around 30, RES is about 20 and 2M is about 10. It seems completely upside down to me that 2M at the NATS gets 2 days while RES gets 1/2 a day. Additionally, the awards banquet is held before RES and NOS are even flown, pushing it down further from a competitive event to more of a fun fly afterthought. I -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Jim McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:34:52 -0500 To: soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] One full day of RES What's amazing is that the United States is the only country the flies 2M. I think if you took a poll at the Nats those entered in the event only fly it to occupy time until Unlimited starts. The latest phrase coined at this years event was Do you know what flies worse than a 2M? Answer: Nothing. In general most prefer the bigger models and very few clubs fly 2M on a regular basis. Let the flaming begin. Jim McCarthy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] EMM product anouncements
Just a general note of what's available 1. If you want a Pegasus, I will be doing the last run for this year starting NOW. My real job is taking much of my available time so production is limited. I have some orders standing and will fill them in the order they are received. Delivery 6-12 weeks for new orders of ARC or Quick build kits, possibly more quickly for sheeted kits or builders kits.(depends on my CNC foam supplier and his backlog). 2.The new extreme soaring LET molded ASH-26 is a reality. Conceived for Alpine conditions in Austria and Switzerland, it features all the quality and accessories of every LET kit with the addition of a floating prismatic full carbon wing rod and integrated carbon spar system. This is the flagship of the LET line. New aluminum retract, available with pre-installed JR 791 260 oz servo, molded in servo boxes, covers, JR plugs on all wire harness ends, monoblocks, sub D wing connectors for plug and play ease, two choices of pre applied vinyl decals, choice of registration numbers, blue gelcoat under wings available at no extra charge, tow release installed, fully detailed cockpit down to hand painted screw heads and scaled maps in side pockets, two sets of wing tips/winglets both with molded in tip wheels. Delivery September/October. http://www.scalesoaring.net/ASH26molded.htm check for other LET updates here: http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/LETmodel.htm 3. I am pleased to announce Krause Modelbau has listed me as their U.S. distributor. Krause now offers the new 1/3.5 scale Discus 2c. This is a similar ship to the Ventus 2c but based on the Discus platform, the latest from Schempp Hirth. 5.14 meter span model of the 18 meter class racer. I have a standing order in as we speak; 3-4 week delivery of kits. I have Krause now making the former LET,EMS, Sperber and Albatross 4 and 4.5 meter semiscale electric or sailplane kits in Krause's typical kit form for substantially less than the RTFs previously available. Pictures on request, as the website is not updated with all this info. 4. I have an order taking shape for a few custom built models from Hans Mueller master builder in Germany. If you desire something special out of the ordinary, check out his catalogue. These are available in any level of completion from basic kit to covered or lacquered wings. Limit 3-4 planes on this order. http://tragflaechenbau-mueller.de/ note; prices listed are not reflective of current costs with shipping and boxing to U.S. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Why are so many guys unsubscribing?
Heck, you can do this with Outlook also, if that is the problem, I just created a set of rules for every thing with RCSE in the Header to file the undigested subscription to a folder. It is a lot easier to browse the headers this way than with the digest version or the scattered inbox approach. But that said, this exchange has really become more of a Gordys chat room of late. Not singling out him, but it seems that there is a small group of guys posting idle banter about non subjects. Pretty much the same few guys posting all the time. What with RC Groups and the scale soaring list plus many other specialized forums available, this one has in my opinion become a bit archaic in its list form only format. Granted there are Yahoo mirror sites etc. but if you do that why not have a one stop shop web based info source, with photo capability. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ben Diss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:16 PM To: Jay Hunter Cc: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Why are so many guys unsubscribing? I use Netscape and have a filter move the list traffic to a folder. I have history going back 5 years that I can search. The filter is nice too because I can flag certain threads and block certain content. -
RE: [RCSE] AMA's position with regard to soaring
Probably what will happen is that R/C soaring and other high altitude sport/hobbies that use airspace (as in model rockets), will require special dates, venues, and windows of opportunity provided by special FAA waiver. Large model rocketry already is regulated by this process. It is only a matter of time before ALL aerosports requiring higher than normal altitudes are monitored and regulated by FAA waiver, if, that is, they exceed the limit set by the AMA FAA for unregulated club flying. So 700-1000 feet would actually be a godsend if and when the hammer falls. I foresee a time when virtually all organized R/C flying (other than the Parkflyer unregulated low power stuff) will take place on controlled sites governed by the AMA and its club infrastructure. Perhaps the idea of regional flying sites similar to Muncie, but put in locations where most of us actually live might bear some consideration. How we preserve our sport will require some insightful proactive thinking, and willingness to compromise. The notion that everything can stay the same as it was in the past is probably at best naïve. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Allan/Tara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:54 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] AMA's position with regard to soaring In the current issue of Model Aviation which I received today I found the Presidents Perspective page quite interesting. It makes it quite evident that there is a complete lack knowledge as to what we in the soaring community are all about. In his remarks he (Dave Brown) states that his recommendation to the FAA is that a minimum altitude restriction be set at 700' and preferably 1,000'. Probably just fine for the slime machines but a death blow to sailplanes. These restrictions while unenforceable, would in essence make the even average weekend flier a lawbreaker,not to mention the whole liability problem. Anybody out there have any idea as to who to contact to get this thing turned around,somebody who will make the AMA listen ! Allan Parsons RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Aerotow in Utah
Yahoo... another aerotow cell in the U.S., two guys is all it takes to get the ball rolling in an area. Once you see the fun and challenge of aerotowing scale ships, there is no coming back. It is a high with out compare if you enjoy actually flying for long periods, teamwork, and soaring instead of launching and landing. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_j_miner Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:04 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Aerotow in Utah This morning Tauno Knuuttila and I (Curtis Miner) successfully aerotowed his 1/3 scale ASW-28 with my 1/3 scale Extra 330 L / DA- 100. Neither of us had any experience aerotowing but after reading all we could find on the web (thanks John Derstine and others) we felt we had enough information to try it. Each of the five tows went perfectly. The models got so high that I eventually lost orientation and Tauno released. We had a great time and now we both have the aerotow bug! Is there anyone else in central or northern Utah who has a scale glider and would like to try aerotow or who has a 50cc+ model and would like to tow? I have a 1-3.75 scale DG-600 I would like to have towed. If you are interested in participating or just watching, let one of us know. Thanks, Curtis Miner RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Whatever happened to...
I saw him last at the JR Aerotow in Monticello, (not far from Champaign Urbana where he teaches), maybe a new series of scale airfoils to follow? Probably not, but he seems well and always interested in talking sailplanes. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 1:50 PM To: Soaring List Subject: [RCSE] Whatever happened to... What is Dr. Selig up to these days? Anyone know? JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] interesterd in scale topics?
In light of the great response here by the guys who went to the JR Aerotow and the enthusiasm showed by all who went, I would like to point out that there is a a Yahoo groups available for scale discussion. If you want scale specific soaring discussion without the rest, check us out. There are lots of very knowledgeable folks listening and a growing info page with some photos etc. JD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
If you live by contests and rules, you will die by contests and rules. If you dont like rules, because you cant win by them or feel that they discriminate against you, join the growing non contest events like Scale aerotowing, or try scale xcountry where you fly against the odometer, a personal goal, or even another pilot in a milieu where thermaling ability and true flying skills outweigh pop offs, landing, and launching technique. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:24 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse I recently flew the OVSS Cincinatti and managed to take some wood... however, another excellent pilot had a freak popoff (probably it was strategic instead of an accident, since the pilot is a well know shifty character, which means he whips my butt pretty much since I started flying contests :-). The decision was too bad so sadand I made it known that I believe that the rule is abusive, rude, inconsiderate and disrepectful and pretty much think its a chicken shit rule...however all that wishy washy indecisionate opinionation by me aside, it is up to the CD or the rules. And it makes sense that rules cannot be overruled by common sense or consideration for everyone's fun as a consideration... If the rules get changed to consider 'fun' chaos would reign and the general pilot group would be delayed from getting home or another round being flown. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR Aerotow prompts a question
Another biased opinion, aren't they all? Clarification. The JR aerotow is not just a sponsored event by JR, as in donating gifts prizes, and support. It is an entirely funded, planned, and organized event fully staffed by JR employees, team flyers, and volunteer friends of JR. Peter and Caroline Goldsmith need to be credited with the enlisting of Horizon hobbies considerable wherewithal to produce this premier program. It is their love of scale soaring which drives the event, coupled of course with Horizons desire to product placement, promotion, and advertising, which is what horizon gets in return for their considerable backing and support, It would be nice if other manufacturers would support the soaring segment as does JR/Horizon, but they don't to date. It is intelligent marketing to a fast growing segment. On the field with planes, support, and expertise one on one with the participants. Listening to comments and customer needs and desires; Everyone wins. John D. Sorry to have missed this one. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jon Stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:40 AM To: Jim Deck; RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR Aerotow prompts a question - Original Message - From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR/Horizon has raised it's profile to the soaring community in recent years, and this is good. JR also sponsors some soaring events around the country. Most notably in their own back yard (Midwest). Most significant to me, they have tailored their products specifically to soaring pilots. Oh, and those pictures filled with red JR polo shirts don't hurt either. ;) Finally, there are folks who post about these events to this list. Jon Stone RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] how to disolve goop ?
Title: Message What I do to remove servos glued in with goop, is to take a small thin pallet knife (used to mix artists paints) bend it 90 degrees, heat it with a torch to hot but not glowing red or anything like that, and work it under the servo. The right temp will soften the goop allowing you to twist it our easily. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jon Stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:41 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] how to disolve goop ? Anyone know a solvent that will disolve GOOP type glues? I need to remove some servos glued in a molded wing with it. TIA, Jon
RE: [RCSE] JR Aerotow
Hot dogging is fine if... both pilots agree ahead of time to perform, and they are capable experienced pilots. The down side is, or may be, that there is a chance that you might intimidate or scare off a new guy to aerotow, who only walks up and see's a 46% Ultimate go vertical with a 2 meter in tow. Did it last year at JR myself. (By prior arrangement with the glider pilot) Incessant hot dogging for the sake of showing off adds little value to any event, and while I am guilty myself of once in a while having a little fun, the majority of scale flyers have no desire to risk their 3-5 k 1/3 scale planes doing stupid stuff, indeed a scale tow is a thing of beauty. I have come to believe we have to set an example for everyone and tow within the limits of the pilots abilities and the desires of the person being towed. Some vintage sailplanes won't tow at higher speeds and need sensible pilots to tow them. That said, at a busy event there is economy in steep tows, remembering that to go up steeply at full or high throttle decreases forward speed and converts speed into altitude. There is no doubt in my mind if full scale pilots could climb quickly and steeply, they would without hesitation, it is economy of time, fuel, and physical stress on airframes. Matching tow planes to gliders by size is not a bad idea either. Keep it safe. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dr Danny C Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:39 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR Aerotow Who care's if it's scale It is more fun having the tow plane do roll's one way while you do opposite roll's and It's even more fun doing an inverted aero tow with the glider and the tug anyway ...( If you ask Johnny real nice he will let you do just that) Really, if you hang the glider behind the tug on tow there is less chance for the glider pilot to do something stupidwelleven that depends on the pilot... ;^) Dr. Danny Williams Colorado Springs, CO RMSA http://www.rmsadenver.com ~ But it's not scale. Chuck Anderson At 10:39 AM 5/31/2005, you wrote: And it's much easier to see... 8-) Jim (Nats 2004 graduate of the Johnny Berlin school of vertical towing while tug is rolling) At 10:08 AM 5/31/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vertical tow doesn't put anywhere near the stress on a plane that a winch launch does. Jim Downers Grove, IL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 3 days at Woodcrafters
Scale is growing by leaps and bounds, wood, glass and in between, let's not disparage, or infer a value judgment one over the other,(not saying you intended that as such Jim). We all have something to gain from a shared interest in scale soaring. Take those woodies to the JR Aerotow next weekend and show them off, it is what it's all about. Mix it up. Tom Augustine who died this past month will most likely have several of his 40% wood crafted beauties at JR. in the hands of Dan Troxell, and Mike Lance. These are on the scene in California and around the aerotow circuit in California, and would put any wood built scale ship to shame, likewise Eric Eiche, from British Columbia always attended the Elmira aerotows with his truly museum scale specimens. We all tend to compartmentalize our interests, let's not start being exclusive, intentionally or by unintended inference. Cheers. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jim Deck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:08 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] 3 days at Woodcrafters Here are some observations: - Incredible scale jobs in abundance. As these were handcrafted, wood- based models, it wasn't a parade of glass slippers. ALL were aerotowed - not a RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Like Jim B. said. The Aero Spectra is a true professional grade instrument which can even predict battery failure in a tx. The read out gives out put in db's, has a two phase refresh rate to see spikes in interference etc. The adjacent channel comparison when in zoom mode is an eye opener. You can visually tell who has a sloppy transmitter. This will put to rest all the arguments as to what kind of transmitters with which antennas are accurately spreading signal. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Richman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:39 PM To: John Derstine; 'Bill Conkling'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests John, the Areo Spectra is really BIG Bucks...close to $900. How's about the Icom IC-R5 Scanner. Seems quite capable for about $190 and PC programmable. Any idea of the differences in capabilities? TIA, Steve From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed May 25 09:59:29 CDT 2005 To: 'Bill Conkling' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests Good point, especially with a cheap LED type read out, basically useless. With the Aero Spectra, the range is much larger, granted, it is not in your plane to say what is happening up there, but it will tell you signal strength in actual db's which is the important part. If a signal exists but is only 10 db, chances are it will have no effect on your R/C system which will only typically have a problem with a competing signal over 40-45 db's. If you see something over 30db, you might reconsider flying. The antenna on the Aertospectra is very large, and can even be fitted to a large remote antenna for stationary use at a club. You get what you pay for. Bottom line, unless you understand the limitations of the device you are using regardless of price, it will tell you little or nothing useful. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Conkling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests OK, fellas, A ground mounted/based reciever is not going to tell you anything about rf signals your plane might pick up in the air at range. BUT, a ground based signal gatherer will most certainly tell you about the clown at the other end of the flight line messing arounbd with his transmitter, or the one left on at th3e impound area, etc. And, this can save your plane. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Tue, 24 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our product manager helped do the QC testing on the first shipment of these, and with multiple units was able to get over 200 feet with every single unit WITHOUT the external antenna. A couple went up to the 300 ft max range, others had a max range of around 230-270 feet. (With antenna, we easily got over 800 feet and close to 1000 ft) With this sort of performance, I would feel safer with an extra rx and servos on mounted on a pole to wave around I thought this device sounded great at first, but it doesn't sound very useful at this point. Sailplanes in particular are susceptible to getting shot down because they are flown much farther out than the average RC plane. There is much more probability of your plane being closer to someone elses TX that is say 1/2 mile or 3/4 mile away. A test at your flying site from ground level with a meter that won't pick up distant signals is worthless. Yes it would be great in the impound area, especially if they put an alarm on it so it beeps whenever it hears conflicted signals. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail
RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Good point, especially with a cheap LED type read out, basically useless. With the Aero Spectra, the range is much larger, granted, it is not in your plane to say what is happening up there, but it will tell you signal strength in actual db's which is the important part. If a signal exists but is only 10 db, chances are it will have no effect on your R/C system which will only typically have a problem with a competing signal over 40-45 db's. If you see something over 30db, you might reconsider flying. The antenna on the Aertospectra is very large, and can even be fitted to a large remote antenna for stationary use at a club. You get what you pay for. Bottom line, unless you understand the limitations of the device you are using regardless of price, it will tell you little or nothing useful. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Conkling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests OK, fellas, A ground mounted/based reciever is not going to tell you anything about rf signals your plane might pick up in the air at range. BUT, a ground based signal gatherer will most certainly tell you about the clown at the other end of the flight line messing arounbd with his transmitter, or the one left on at th3e impound area, etc. And, this can save your plane. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Tue, 24 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our product manager helped do the QC testing on the first shipment of these, and with multiple units was able to get over 200 feet with every single unit WITHOUT the external antenna. A couple went up to the 300 ft max range, others had a max range of around 230-270 feet. (With antenna, we easily got over 800 feet and close to 1000 ft) With this sort of performance, I would feel safer with an extra rx and servos on mounted on a pole to wave around I thought this device sounded great at first, but it doesn't sound very useful at this point. Sailplanes in particular are susceptible to getting shot down because they are flown much farther out than the average RC plane. There is much more probability of your plane being closer to someone elses TX that is say 1/2 mile or 3/4 mile away. A test at your flying site from ground level with a meter that won't pick up distant signals is worthless. Yes it would be great in the impound area, especially if they put an alarm on it so it beeps whenever it hears conflicted signals. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Splatter
John: Absolutely all major events would be well advised to scan not only for interference from outside sources, but transmitters whose signal is not so narrow band as it should be. As well as guys who swear they are on channel 18, but really are on 56 because they forgot to switch modules. Once you scan with a real scanner such as the Aero Spectra unit, you become immediately aware of what the reality is in radio frequency bleed over. Now, this is different from harmonic third order interference caused by several transmitters reflecting signals in a small area. What we found in Elmira at our aerotows is the worst offenders for splatter were radios equipped with after market rubber ducky antennas. We ended up banning them from being used. Other offenders were older FM systems which had not been to a shop for tune up in their lifetime. The aero spectra allows the analyzing of a very few channels and not only tells you the bleed over, but the strength of the signal. I am going to buy another one now before they are not available. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:31 PM To: Tom Kallevang; John Derstine; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List Subject: Splatter This idea of a clean transmitter is an interesting problem. I know this list has a lot of radio professionals. Can a transmitter leak the signal? I know I've experienced this in some big hand launch contests when you have 12 radios on at the same time. I've had hits when I know no one is one my channel. If it's true, shouldn't a transmitter frequency check be required at the start of any large contest? JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:43:21 -0700 (PDT) To: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: REply: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend This would be a huge loss to the the R/C community, as you can actually eyeball if a Tx is clean or not without a scope and an advanced degree. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] A pet Peeve
In todays world of synth radios and exchangeable TX modules, this practice is not reliable either. The only certain way to determine what channel someone is on is to scan the frequencies. People forget to put their pin on the board when they change modules, like wise it is easy to forget to change your flag. There is no substitute for good frequency control at any gathering via an impound and scanners. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Remus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:28 AM To: soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] A pet Peeve What ever happened to the days when All flyers displayed their frequency channels on their radio transmitters? It isa courtesy to the other flyers to display you're channel on you're Tx while flying. Especially when you know you are sharing a channel! Don't you wonder why you're radio come in the box with you're channel marker included? The naked eye can still be a good frequency scanner. :~) When you all come to the Bob Steele Memorial contest in Fort Wayne, It is required that you display you're channel. We will furnish tape and a markerfor those who forget. Be proud of your channel. :~) Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Think small. Big ideas upset others!
RE: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
Another way is to use a matchbox on the outer tiperons, which will allow you to accomplish what you want, plus use only one additional channel, plus give you the ability to mix the outer ailerons with various other control functions such as rudder for example, at the flick of a switch. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing? In a message dated 5/3/2005 3:18:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sherman, In my case I am considering a large 4.5 meter (177) scale sailplane. The sailplanes wing uses six servos three servos per side. The wing is designed for three servos per side. (I would prefer not using mechanical linkages, and using software mixing instead.) Thus the wing servos would operate L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons. I would like the outboard ailerons to match the movement of the inboard ailerons but possibly reduce the total travel of the outboard ailerons to 60~80% travel compared to the inboard ailerons. Depending on the sailplane characteristics, e.g. adverse yaw, I may need to increase or reduce the percentage of mixing and the ratio of movement between the outboard and inboard ailerons. Thank you, Cameron Ninham If you use all the dedicated mixes with the 9303, you have Three channels and nondedicated mixes available. It would be fairly simple to mix masteraileron to outboard aileron (Aux2?) and mirror image the same with right aileron. Soone mix for each side. that would allow you work those outboard ailerons, For the master, select Ail+. This means that the dual rate, expo rate and trim settings of the aileron are mirrored to the outboard aileron. For slave, use, I believe Aux2 and Aux3. Mixes would allow you to have these turn on or off or to two separate mix rates depending on switch location. I have not actually done this on an airplane yet, (dont have any 6 servo wings to experement on) Please let me know what you finally come up with or if you have nay feedback to my comments. I an courious to find out if the differential settings of the ailerons are transferred to the outboard ailerons. thanks again Sherman Knight The Law Offices of Sherman L Knight 5400 Carillon Point Kirkland WA 98033 425-576-4028 wk 425-576-4029 fax 425-822-9305 hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail
RE: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend
If your goal is safe flying, a real investment in a quality scanner is a must for any club or serious end user. The Aerospectra is a commercial grade hand held unit that gives meaningful info. Not only what frequencies are on, but their db and bleed over into adjacent channels. You can zoom in and analyze a small section of the frequency band, or view the whole spectrum for interference. Of course the only accurate way to measure is with an antenna that can accurately scan the entire area. The price is beyond the budget of most individuals at $895.00, but for a club it makes a great investment. We used one at all our events in Elmira, and saved many aircraft with it, as well as track down offending transmitters with splatter. http://www.aerospectra.com/ JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:24 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend Gordy, if I'm not mistaken the Multiplex Evo with scanner module will do this and more. Thanks for the Evo info, but I was posting information about the Hobbico Frequency Checker. Evo owners will be happy to know that they don't need one, if they have paid a few hundred for the Evo option :-) The Frequency Checker is a cool and tiny 'tool' that everyone should have including Evo owners with the option installed Fits in any flight kit and with the flick of a switch gives the looker an at a glance view of all 50 freqs busy or open...'nearby'. If anyone else has tried one with an external antenna hooked up, post us your findings. Pretty sure you could find an antenna to fit at Radio Shack. Might need a little mod to plug in but its just a single point connection. Likely a piece of coat hanger would do it :-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
FW: [RCSE] OVSS and Line Breaks
Well... you could... Get rid of the winches and aerotow. Use an altimeter in the tow plane to release all sailplanes at the same height. Over time, the result would in fact be a complete redesign of TD ships to maximize actual flying and thermalling characteristics (and landing) vs. launch optimized designs. Or... retain winches, put altimeters and recording GPS units in all planes, only start the day's task when a given altitude is attained (either by descending or climbing as the case may dictate). Very easy with today's technology. If a level playing field relative to launching is the goal, there are ways to do it. Few will agree, as it probably takes thinking outside the box, rocks the status quo, or represents too radical a change in mindset to be generally accepted. JD Just for yuks... What you have now is a launch and land contest. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:36 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] OVSS and Line Breaks John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real question is equality of launch height. If you went to a contest and two of the 4 winches had 400 ft. more line you would not think it was fair. I can hear the screaming now that with the longer line winches they get a launch height advantage. On the other hand if you buy a moldy or Kevlar wrap your spar and get a 400 ft. launch advantage it ok. I guess its just human nature to think that way but it sure makes no sense. You're right, but it seems to me that all of these types of contests are designed to be as practical and fair as reasonably possible with the limited technology that we have to work with. If there was a way to accurately measure altitude and/or speed, or to drop all the gliders from a tall tower at predetermined times, then the competition could be more fair, and more interesting rules could be put into play. As it is, I tend to think of these contests merely as fun get-togethers. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] I found a new glue at Toledo and you didn't!
Very pricy indeed at $89.00 per 20 grams of glue in a kit, which includes the various accelerators, primers, and modifiers in a handy plastic tool box. 50 grams (under 2 oz) of glue by itself for $45.00. Special purpose glue to be sure. But it certainly sounds interesting. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Collins Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:29 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] I found a new glue at Toledo and you didn't! Sounds like this might be PascoFix http://www.pascofix.de/Pasco_-_Fix/pasco_-_fix.html Not really new; maybe new at Toldeo however. It has been around for some time. It seems to be a high grade CYANO glue system. System in the sense that they have fillers and primers. Yes, it does work very well and is a high quality product, a little goes a long way but it is pricey. If it is not PascoFix, I'd sure like to know what this new magical glue is. cheers, Graham in Embrun near Ottawa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What's in a case, or a case for no case
The safest way and least expensive way to transport a radio is to wrap it in a towel and throw it in the back of your van or car with the rest of your gear. That way you don't have to decide what case is better, more chic, bullet proof, or utilitarian. Also when something falls on it and one of the little sticky out things breaks off, there is one less complicated computer mixing function to have to figure out, write about, or ask questions in reference to, here on RCSE. Economy all the way around. If you are going by air. Just carry it on with your Bic lighter, six inch letter opener, and 10 packs of safety matches. The baggage checker will be so preoccupied with the other things they won't even notice your transmitter stuffed in with your emergency underwear supply. ;-) JD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
Another way if you want or have independent spoiler control with top mounted Schempp Hirth spoilers. Use the flaperon wing type mix and couple inboard flaps to ailerons 30% which is typical for scale ships, or up to 1:1 if you prefer. Program a slider to activate the flaps for landing as a proportional trimmer. Don't forget to decouple aileron flap mix in camber mode to prevent overdriving the flap servos when using landing flaps. Use the left flight mode switch for camber (or thermal flap}/ normal flight/ and Reflex. Now for the out board tiperons you have several options available as used on full scale sailplanes. I don't know what your model is so here are two examples I have used. On a DG -1000 tips are coupled to the rudder to prevent skidding in a turn and provide more rudder authority. Left rudder actuates the left tiperon up 40 degrees or so while the right tiperon stays neutral and visa versa. Alternately, you can couple this same function to the aileron (left aileron left tip up right tip neutral) and put the mix on a switch to change back and forth depending on your flight requirements at any given time. This will give you two distinct functions for the tiperons using only one channel. To do this you will need to purchase a JR Matchbox and program each tiperon using the matchbox and one channel, mixed then to either of the other two functions mentioned. The full scale Nimbus four uses this type of mixing also. This will allow the spoilers to be placed on the throttle stick where they belong as a glide path control device on landing similar to a throttle in a power plane. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:18 PM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing? In a message dated 5/3/2005 1:14:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not yet gone through the manual for the JR XP9303, but is it possible (simple/easy) to program the XP9303 radio for a six servo wing -- L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons??? Can I setup the inboard and outboard ailerons to move by the same and/or different amounts? The answer is yes. However that is a very incomplete answer. What do you want the outboard aileron to do? Sounds like a stupid question, but it is not. What do you want the outboard Ail to do in lunch mode? Cruise Mode? Thermal Mode? Landing mode? It is easy to get the tiperons to follow the ailerons. If that is all you want, then why have them servo driven? Mechanical connection is much lighter. So, until you figure out what you want them to do, there is no way to answer the question. Sherman Knight The Law Offices of Sherman L Knight 5400 Carillon Point Kirkland WA 98033 425-576-4028 wk 425-576-4029 fax 425-822-9305 hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DaytonAerotow2005 Pix
Jack; You know you are addicted to sale soaring when you fly in all kinds of weather and have fun, Glad to see the Ventus doing well. It looks good. FYI, Radomir Faltus has completely redesigned the gear to a scale articulating steel tube system with suspension. Not sure that they can be retrofitted, but I will know when I get the next shipment this week. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:11 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] DaytonAerotow2005 Pix Here are the Pix that I promised yesterday. You can get an idea of what we were doing. I am hopeful that someone else will contribute as well. Enjoy Jack http://home.comcast.net/~strotherbj/FrameSet.htm -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
RE: [RCSE] DaytonAerotow2005 Pix-reply
With a good pair of pilots a 50cc powered tug can tow up to 26 pound planes in a scale fashion. That said, these Kange arfs are not built for the constant rigor of take off/landing cycles, big motor stresses when you over power them and they end up weighing pounds more than the original design weight. For the long haul a larger more rugged tug designed around the motor size you are using would be better. For towing all day and flying 23-35 pound sailplanes, a 80cc to 100cc motor is ideal. By the way Pegasus kits are in stock, had to include that JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Howard Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Derstine; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] DaytonAerotow2005 Pix-reply Jack, I didnt see anything that the Monocoupe wouldnt tow. How big is the largest sailplane that you guys are towing? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:04 AM To: John Derstine; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] DaytonAerotow2005 Pix-reply Thanks John, The weather really was not that badYes COOL, some clouds, We flew very high, and did not get into the clouds... By High, I mean Nearly overhead, No Emoanage details, and barely the Nose... I AM enjoying the Model. Too Lazy to put the New Canopy on though. The Wife says that its one of my better purchases, and will not let me sell it... I want bigger...LOL I de programmed the spoiler function from the Full Flap Function, put the spoilers on a slider by themselves...works much better...DUH !! Am in the process of gouging more lead outta the nose, to impact my slight porposing issue...seems to be working as well. The Rearwind Speedster is really turning on, now that the engine is broken in a little...I believe that the engine is way too much for that plane, and I soon will need a little larger plan form.. I am Looking at a 110 or so Wilga...or something in that arena... I do not think I have enuff engine for the Pegasus though... Keep me advised on the gear.. Later Jack -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- Jack; You know you are addicted to sale soaring when you fly in all kinds of weather and have fun, Glad to see the Ventus doing well. It looks good. FYI, Radomir Faltus has completely redesigned the gear to a scale articulating steel tube system with suspension. Not sure that they can be retrofitted, but I will know when I get the next shipment this week. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:11 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] DaytonAerotow2005 Pix Here are the Pix that I promised yesterday. You can get an idea of what we were doing. I am hopeful that someone else will contribute as well. Enjoy Jack http://home.comcast.net/~strotherbj/FrameSet.htm -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Marc Gellart's Albatros sale item
Hi Mark and others interested in this plane. The Albatros once distributed by EMS was actually built by by LET model. This is a fantasic deal for this caliber of plane with the servos and accessories Marc has listed. A euro concept that combines a scale aesthetic philosophy in combination with a incredibly balanced design. The sailplane was designed by my friend Thomas Schmidt along with the Sperber 4.5 meter. It will fly in all wind conditions as attested by Marc at the NATS last year with his first place finish. I don't have pictures on the web, but if you want to see a picture of Marc's plane before it had gear in I can email a picture to you. Several views in detail. JD PS: I now have them made RTF by KV model and these are identical to what LET was producing, as KV now owns the original molds and tooling. In addition I have an arrangement to get the Albatross and the Sperber in kit form with uncovered wings from Krause model. This will be an opportunity to get the larger 4.5 meter Sperber which has been out of production for some time. This plane is awesome with its 8 servo wing and majestic flying style. Great for 16 -24 cell electric flight. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] NATS events
Its an every other year event... Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kevin Sheen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:17 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] NATS events Doesn't look like it: http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2005/Nats2005.html Kevin At 01:57 PM 4/25/2005 -0400, Keith wrote: Is there going to be XC at the NATS this year? Keith McLellan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fiss Alpine Soaring Event
Posted for Gerd Holzner by JD: --- 10 years Flying Circus, the International Gliderfestival in Fiss/Tirol. (Austria) RC-pilots from all over the world will come together on July 21. to 24.2005 in Fiss, the pictorial village on the sunny plateau of Tirol, in order to celebrate the 10-years anniversary. The anniversary of a meeting, which got world-wide interest like no second alone by the location. Fiss became a Mekka for the alpine model pilots! On Europe´s highest model airfield... on 2500 m over sea level! The mountain is named Schönjöchl, and offers big thermals apart from a fantastic panorama ... 1000 m over the locality Fiss! You will see there numerous scale gliders, the world best manufacturers show their novelties, and everything that has wings will go to be flown ... The meeting is open for all, beginners, progressings, and professionals. Free flying for all is called the slogan. Beside the flying at the slope there are numerous actions, which will provide for alternation and maintenance. Apart from the nocturnal water flight competition for electrical models in Ladis on the village pond there will happen in the night a contest at the valley station near the Hexenalm: The pilots have to master most difficult tasks with their small electrical models under the rejoicing of the spectators. Only the best one wins? No, all, who are daring enough to make the fun will win! An open air concert and fireworks will end the happening this night. Celebrate with us ! Everyone, who was not ever there, missed something! Now the opportunity is... make a thick mark in your calendar, make your vacation reservation, and drive to Fiss : on July 21. - 24. 2005. Room reservation under www.fiss.at or Best accommodation in Austria - check Special Interest - and Events Organizer: TVB Fiss www.fiss.at www.serfaus-fiss-ladis.at/sommer02/index.htm The program: www.flying-circus.de www.flying-circus.de/html/fiss.html To make you hot, watch this video-clip: http://www.flying-circus.de/fiss2004.mpg by Enzo dé Nicolo Organization: Gerd Holzner, Circus Director Bear way 19, D-71296 home home Tel. +49 (0) 7033-3069912 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hangar 9 micro Ultimate biplane soars
The other day the thermals were popping a little, the weather was warm. I was locked in my shop trying to pack up some gorgeous scale sailplanes and Pegasus tow planes. I had no time to go fly anything large, so, while the glue was drying on one box I was building, I fired up my foamy 3D micro Ultimate to practice some in your face up close 3D flying. These things are better than helicopters to hone your skills, as you can hover all you want, then fly like a normal fixed wing aircraft. Try a rolling circle with one of these for a challenge in a 10 knot wind. While I was horsing around, I spied a red tail hawk just above me in lift, I could not resist, up I went to join him. Apparently the Hangar 9 bipe looked like one of his buddies as he did not flinch as I joined in circling with him. In no time, much to my surprise I was way above him (with the motor off of course), and my little yellow electric plane was getting very small. The nice thing about these little foam planes is that the sun makes them glow as if they had lights on, very cool. These things are very nifty and cost only what three digital servos might set you back, about $300.00 outfitted with a brushless system and lipo packs. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] AMA numbers
Merit? Whos talking about merit, AMA number's were originally issued in sequential order. Walt Good and friends where in the ones and tens column. This is apparently no longer strictly the case. For what ever reason pilots seem to attach some sort of significance or value to a low number as if it meant they had more status, skill, or experience. In reality it just means we are old farts. :-} CD numbers were generally shortened (in theory) so that as you signed up for an event, you might be instantly recognized as a CD, someone who could be called upon to help if needed etc. This also quickly seemed to become a status symbol to those who think status is important. My question was just a curiosity as to what series my original number might have been in the sequence of things. Turns out likely it was 20-27K. I tried to find out what my old number was many years ago, as I had forgotten it, and the AMA did not keep those kinds of records. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:15 AM To: George Gillburg Cc: John Derstine; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] AMA numbers I wonder out loud whether numbers actually have merit... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] AMA numbers
First, you can truncate your AMA by becoming a CD, mine is 1394, two digits dropped when I became a CD formerly 139444. Here is a question that I have been curious about. I originally joined the AMA in 1958 as a boy, I let it lapse until later in life and re-enrolled. My old number was lost forever. I am just curious whether anyone has a clue what the numbers where running in 1958? Idle curiosity fueled by the recent thread. JD
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3
Gee, that is almost as good as a JR 10x with a standard PCM rx JD -Original Message- From: Dave Register [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:17 PM To: Soaring@airage.com; Gordy Stahl; Barry Kennedy Subject: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3 Not often I get to one-up Gordy. Here's a field report Just came back from about two hours at the field trying to screw-up my new Shadow 3. I can't do it. I had 2 DLGs (XP3 and 4), one with the Shadow 3 and the other with a Hitec Super Slim 8. Both were set up on the tailgate of my pickup (~ 4' off the ground). Both had the antenna mounted identically - along the top of the carbon boom and about 8 taped to the LE of the vertical fin. Shadow had a 'Fail-Safe' setting programmed in last night. Tx is a Fut 9CH on Ch 16 with a Rubber Ducky antenna. Turned on and started walking away. At 300 yds I quit. Had to use binoculars to see if the surfaces were moving. Yup, both still worked fine. Took off the antenna - that's not the standard collapsed test, that's no antenna. At the 300 yd position the Shadow went to fail safe. The Hitec wandered around aimlessly. At ~ 50 yds, the Shadow resumed normal operation. At about 20 yds, the Hitec came back. Next, turned on a 7UGFS on ch 16 and placed it about 20 ft from the planes. As long as the 9C was the closer Tx, the Shadow was fine. At about equal distances, the Shadow went to fail safe. At no time did the SuperSlim have any control. Changed frequency modules to 19, re-programmed the Shadow and it all checked out exacty the same. Went DLG'ing - lousy day with solid overcast, 40 deg and NW wind about 7-10 mph so no decent thermal activitiy. This field is a little 'glitchy' between a couple of metal buildings. I occasionally get 'twitched' with the normal 8Ch Rx. The Shadow cruised around that region frequently with no problems. Set up the 7UGFS on Ch 19 and flew on Ch 16. Flew all around the Ch 19 Tx and never saw a thing. An e-flier was standing about 20 ft away on ch 54 and then later on ch 28. No problems observed of any sort. This is not a rigourous evaluation of behavior in a crowded RF environment but the range and sensitivity seem to be better than what I've been using. I've compared my M5s against the Hitec and the M5 is a bit better on no-antenna range. But the Shadow just about doubled them both. A disquieting feature - there was absolutely no servo noise in the plane with the Shadow. I'm used to having a very slight buzz and maybe a little servo chatter at launch. It goes away once the plane is out about 20 ft or so. This is with all my Rxs (Futaba, Hitec, FMA). There was NONE of that with the Shadow 3 at any range. I had to pop the Tx stick before each flight to convince myself everything was still turned on. Servos in the fuse of both planes were HS55s. I think only competition will tell if this Rx will stand up to hard usage. But I tried everything I could reasonably do to mess it up today and it just ignored my efforts completely. Fail safe setup took about 5 minutes to do last night (OK, I had to read the instructions. But after that it was pretty easy). Changing frequencies takes all of about 10 seconds if your Rx is accessible. Re-assigning channels for pin outs almost as easy as setting up fail safe - just had to note that the process for re-assigning has to be followed by actually calling up the user memory to activate it. At this point, this sure looks like a winner. Time will tell. If Tower can ever get off their butts and ship the synth module for the 9C, this should be a terrific combination. The 4 channel looks particularly intriguing for DLG. Pins will be end mounted (low profile). Pinouts are re-assignable so you can get Ch7 out on the Ch3 pins - MUCH easier for flaperon setup than messing with the Ch5-6 coupling in the Tx. After today's experience, I'm sending Barry a check for a second 7-channel and am on the waiting list for the 4 ch. I'm paying full fare so this is an unsolicited note. And yes, the 7 channel Rx does weigh only 8 grams. Anxious to see how the contest season goes with these but so far so good. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3
Just a cheap shot, could not resist, blame Gordy for his endless overstated hype about everything and anything. Anything good, and I assume the Shadow is, will out perform a Hitec or FMA rx, apples to oranges indeed. That was the point of my comment not that it is tiny or light. The new technology available will be a great advantage especially for the micro pilot, or someone looking for features like this, as far as using two three or four ganged up for a giant scale ship however,( as stated by some, and of interest to others who might use this rx.) my communications with Mr. Arroosh Elahi have been inconclusive as to what if any range degradation you might get putting two or more rxs in one plane. TOC pilots tried this a long time ago with large aerobatic ships with the result that there was often significant range reduction with using two rxs in one aircraft due to the antennas somehow interfering with each other. This both with Futaba and JR rxs. I offered to test two in a plane but have not heard back. If some one would kindly perform a simple range check with two rxs or more in a large aircraft, with antennas running parallel inside the fuselage. or send me two to test, I will gladly pay for them ,and send them back for a refund after testing on the ground, not flying, The comment I got from Mr. Elahi was that tests were pretty good, but they had not the chance yet to go out and fly much until the weather improved... If these little rxs indeed perform with unhindered range (ganged up) as compared to a single 10 channel PCM rx (original branded equipment) then it would be an interesting development for giant scale applications. Synth tuning is not a feature that is critical other than convenience, and for the average pilot, not so necessary. I travel with several modules and xtals that serve my purposes very well, the real issue is all the other performance data. The stuff that keeps your plane in the air. JD -Original Message- From: George Gillburg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:49 PM To: John Derstine Cc: 'Dave Register'; soaring@airage.com; 'Gordy Stahl'; 'Barry Kennedy' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3 Gee, that is almost as good as a JR 10x with a standard PCM rx Yes, but is the JR standard PCM rx synthesized? Does it weigh 8 gms? Somehow, I doubt it. George Gillburg Bakersfield, California
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3
I have also heard of other approaches including de tuning one rx slightly from the other, the bottom line is who wants to do that, or wrap your rx in the hopes that it works? I do know some TOC level pilots who still choose to use two rx's in their planes but three or four? Is this feasible? JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:20 PM To: John Derstine Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dave Register'; soaring@airage.com; 'Gordy Stahl'; 'Barry Kennedy' Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3 The problem on dual RX setups is not the antennas, but co-interference between the IF's within each of the RX's. This is what reduces sensitivity. This problem is solved easily by shielding one or both RX's. The shielding can be as simple as a 6 x 6 conductive plate that is strategically place between the two RX's, or could mean literally wrapping one RX with a highly conductive shielding material (eg: permeable copper). John Derstine wrote: Just a cheap shot, could not resist, blame Gordy for his endless overstated hype about everything and anything. Anything good, and I assume the Shadow is, will out perform a Hitec or FMA rx, apples to oranges indeed. That was the point of my comment not that it is tiny or light. The new technology available will be a great advantage especially for the micro pilot, or someone looking for features like this, as far as using two three or four ganged up for a giant scale ship however,( as stated by some, and of interest to others who might use this rx.) my communications with Mr. Arroosh Elahi have been inconclusive as to what if any range degradation you might get putting two or more rxs in one plane. TOC pilots tried this a long time ago with large aerobatic ships with the result that there was often significant range reduction with using two rxs in one aircraft due to the antennas somehow interfering with each other. This both with Futaba and JR rxs. I offered to test two in a plane but have not heard back. If some one would kindly perform a simple range check with two rxs or more in a large aircraft, with antennas running parallel inside the fuselage. or send me two to test, I will gladly pay for them ,and send them back for a refund after testing on the ground, not flying, The comment I got from Mr. Elahi was that tests were pretty good, but they had not the chance yet to go out and fly much until the weather improved... If these little rxs indeed perform with unhindered range (ganged up) as compared to a single 10 channel PCM rx (original branded equipment) then it would be an interesting development for giant scale applications. Synth tuning is not a feature that is critical other than convenience, and for the average pilot, not so necessary. I travel with several modules and xtals that serve my purposes very well, the real issue is all the other performance data. The stuff that keeps your plane in the air. JD -Original Message- From: George Gillburg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:49 PM To: John Derstine Cc: 'Dave Register'; soaring@airage.com; 'Gordy Stahl'; 'Barry Kennedy' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3 Gee, that is almost as good as a JR 10x with a standard PCM rx Yes, but is the JR standard PCM rx synthesized? Does it weigh 8 gms? Somehow, I doubt it. George Gillburg Bakersfield, California -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help
With all due respect to Mr. Wurts, on some full scale competition planes, the ASW-27 for example, it is not available to have full span camber, but thermal flaps only, cruise, and full trailing edge reflex (ailerons and flaps deflecting the same amount up). In the ASW-27 in addition to thermal flaps you have a two position landing flap setting. Also on unlimited class sailplanes it is often the practice to have tip ailerons, (tiperons) coordinate with rudder, not aileron deflection which will often put them in opposite direction deflections from the rest of the wings trailing edge. Model R/C planes should not then have their performance degraded by any perceivable amount by having differential throws in flaps and aileron. I often couple ailerons and flaps 30-40% as is also an option on several full scale ships. Launch mode as described by Wurts may have different dynamics at play. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: George Voss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:24 PM To: 'Michael Lachowski'; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Programming tricks help I was privy to a discussion between Joe Wurts and Jim Frickie a few years ago. The discussion concerned the position of flaps and ailerons during launch. Joe stated the flaps and ailerons should droop the same amount to reduce the drag between the interfering surfaces. It seems the same would hold true for the thermal mode. Shouldn't the flap and ailerons move the same amount to keep drag to a minimum where the flap and aileron meet? George -Original Message- From: Michael Lachowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Programming tricks help The other mix I often find missing is using the flaps as ailerons. The flaps should be moving with the ailerons at 30-50% of the aileron travel. If you get the ailerons and flaps moving together and put in elevator to camber mixing, you will be amazed at how much nicer your model flies. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3
Simon: OF course, that goes without saying. Range testing is what is all about, degraded range is one of the problems associated with the use of dual rxs, cheap after market rxs, internal antenna routing, extraneous RF from motors, etc. The various problems can raise their ugly head when least expected. Especially when using after market gear. (Not saying that I don't use some, just careful what and where) I have a rigorous range test that I do every time I fly, probably one of the few pilots who does this. If I get a +10% reduction in range from previous checks or motor on motor off in the case of a power plane, I don't fly until it is resolved. The hope mentioned comes from spending all that extra effort only to find out through range testing that your system is performing less than expected. But I do understand people do it, and like the idea of it for whatever reasons make them raise their comfort level. That said, to properly and easily check range with a pcm radio, I take the antenna off, set the failsafe to deflect the rudder max throw, turn on and start walking. I walk until the rudder kicks, record the distance. If I get 100 paces I am confident, often I have to walk farther than I can see the rudder on a big plane. One of the other reasons guys started using dual rxs was to distribute the load from large batteries, not as redundant devices alone. What has been discovered is that this not necessary with some of today's equipment. JR has tested their 10 channel PCM rxs to destruction and found they will sustain a very substantial amp load. I can't say exactly due to product liability issues, but it is profoundly more than any combination of servos and batteries can deliver, much more. The last big plane I built was a Hangar 9 46% Ultimate. One PCM RX, four batteries (2600 nimh), one Matchbox (one battery to it for the 3 8611 rudder servos), a simple electronic battery backer and that's it. No power management systems, no dual rxs. OH yea, an optical kill switch. In any event, the RX is one of the statistically least likely components to fail. I think from my conversations with many pilots, the trend is getting away from using two rxs in large aerobatic planes. It just adds more complexity and more points of potential failure. It makes great marketing to make pilots think they need all those power management systems, and gizmos in their planes. It is somewhat intriguing to consider having multiple mini rxs spread around you large scale sailplane as cascaded systems, but given that they are basically micro hand launch rxs kind of limits the appeal. Not sure I would want to run 4 8611 servos through one on 3000 mah. Great for smaller sailplanes and for those wanting synth capabilities perhaps. JD -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:26 AM To: John Derstine Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dave Register'; soaring@airage.com; 'Gordy Stahl'; 'Barry Kennedy' Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5375 - Shadow 3 No hopes required John...rigorous range testing will show whether there is any shortcomings when operating multiple RX's. It's as simple as operating one RX at a time under similar test conditions I just eluded to, then the other RX, then both simultaneously. If there are issues...they will show. I forgot to add in my previous post a very important detail, when attempting to tune a RX antenna, or look for any anomolies it pays to have some sort of a baseline. To achieve this requires setting the RX up as if it was in an aircraft that has no RF issues (like carbon). What you want is to determine how many feet you can achieve under ideal conditions. With this information, deciding what you will accept as a result of degradation due to things like carbon become much clearer RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Programming tricks help
Although I am not an engineer, I play one on RCSE... Just kidding. If you want a meat and potatoes simple explanation of flight modes and how easy it is to set them up see a review I wrote on the 9303. http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/9303.htm#Throttle%20hold The flight modes are very easy to program with the use of the trim buttons on the top of the radio, they require no use of program mixes, just set the switch in question to a position, set trim values (on your control surfaces), and move on to the next. the manual to me, and my nonlinear way of thinking, makes it sound vastly more complex than it really is. JD The other one... Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: James R MacLean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:38 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Programming tricks help So I have got this nifty new JR9303 radio and a beloved full house sailplane. I know the plane flies very well and all the servos are set up etc. The flight program resides in a Futaba transmitter so I am starting over again pretty much. Neutrals and reversing is a piece of cake but now I have five flight modes if I want them and all sorts of flexibility to play with I didn't have before. Here is the question: anyone have a write up on programming philosophy with this radio addressing useful tricks or helpful tips? I am thinking something like using the THERMAL mode to enable camber control on the slider, soften up the control throws, add a bit of up trim, and remove aileron to rudder coupling. Butterfly enables only during landing mode and camber is removed. How would aileron differential or aileron to flap coupling change for SPEED mode? What is the best method to put in aileron differential - it can be done with control throw adjustment and/or the aileron differential program? As you can see the questions can go on and on. Anyone who really knows this radio and their plane written down some answers? I have successfully programmed, flight trimmed, and competed with my Image. It all was fun and the plane (maybe not the pilot!) flew well. I thought before I went through this again for my other planes, asking for advice would be a good idea. Thanks to any who respond!! Jim MacLean Melbourne, FL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Alternatives to winch launching
ATV tows were performed with 1/3 sailplanes at the 2000 Elmira aerotow. We used the scale nose release believe it or not, releasing just as the glider passed over the ATV on to the 900 foot Harris Hill slope. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: James V Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:34 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Alternatives to winch launching I have launched off of many styles of Ford Long shaft winches and FAI winches, and even Ford Long shaft winches loaded with mono! 8-) I have launched F3J style from 1 man, 2 man, 3 man and even 4 man tows! 8-) I have launched bungee style with thin hi-start rubber and kiting launches to using garden hose style systems and watching my model rocket to the sky. 8-) I have aerotowed with electric tugs and HLG gliders, and I have been behind Johnny's tug that was doing rolls with piloting a 1/3 scale ship. 8-) BUT... what I am looking forward to doing someday are those ATV tug launches using 150m of strong mono! 8-)) heh heh heh Someone was telling me about that, models were getting INCREDIBLE launches. (or breaking) heh heh heh Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Pegasus kit available
I had a customer cancel his order for a Pegasus tow plane kit, so I have one available in the current run, wings are sheeted and aileron and flaps are cut, it can be had in any of the three kit configurations, sheeted kit, quick build, or ARC. ARC will take another two weeks to complete. Last chance to have one before Spring aerotowing commences. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Well Steve (R), we all know you love your profi. :-) And I agree with your assessment overall. Your experience with JR is an 8103 if I remember correctly, well that indeed is the middle of the road radio. the 10X on the other hand is a different story, as is the new 9303. I would love for Multiplex to support my LET and other products with specific programming ideas and down loadable sailplane programs, but that is not possible. JR does that for me. The Data safe software allows me to email customers set ups for their scale planes from top pilots like Peter Goldsmith and Steve Rojecki. In addition, LET offers its models with JR/Graupner plugs pre installed on all their molded sailplanes. For me it is a good fit, with premium products that anyone in the U.S can have complete support for in the field at the JR aerotow, Pensacola Aerotow, the Wallowa Alpine soaring event etc. I would happily recommend the Profi if it were the right radio for the majority of my high end customers, and at one time I seriously considered it, even imported several. But in today's world, JR serves my needs with complete support, high end radios, and servos in a wide variety of sizes. Not for everyone to be sure, but I am very comfortable with the relationship. I am surprised no one has jumped in with comments about the MC-24 Graupner, many West Coast flyers use those for their scale ships, mostly because of the extra channels available. But with the current 10X one can have the advantage of rock solid PCM modulation and extend channel flexibility if needed with the use of Matchbox units which allow the use of extra batteries for specific servos. Best, JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Richman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:40 AM To: Steve Lange; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 In our hobby, Horizon puts out a nice line of popular priced planes and radios and offers reasonable levels of support. But they aren't the high end, they are not the best and most innovative, the most carefully thought out and considered. They represent good value for a broad market. They are middle of the road products, not the best of the best. But when you want true excellence like a Let sailplane or a Profi 4000, distribution and support are very modest. THe irony is that John D. is very much like Ernie. There's only one of each. Both provide very high quality service, both are very knowledgeable, both are super guys to deal with. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. However Hitec will only be importing them for a short while longer, (See their web site) they are special order only if you can not find one at a dealer. Who is going to support this product when they are no longer available? The 9303 on the other hand is a 500.00 radio system, which with its necessary limits on channel switch select ability, is probably one of the most flexible and intuitive sailplane radios on the market. The channel assignment issue referred to below is specific to the sailplane programming and is an advantage not a limiting factor. It allows a six channel rx to be used for a full house sailplane with the six functions normally used for same, if your friend is only using a five channel rx, it should not make a difference unless he has more functions than the rx can handle in the first place. You have a choice of elevon wing type, normal, or dual flap,(separate flap servos for each flap.) Secondly, the channel assignment is arranged the way it is to put commonly mixed sailplane channels adjacent to one another in the data stream, to minimize synchronizing delay. My advice is to purchase new JR 7 channel R770S rxs for his additional planes to get the most advantage from the 9303. That way you will have branded equipment designed to work together, they are super small and capable of PPM or PCM modulation. John D. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:51 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went down the same path some time ago. I have a Profi I'll make you a good deal on. snip They are for sale because I found the JR9303. Ironically enough, this past weekend my friend had to bring two radios out to the slope, his new JR9303 and his older Hitec Flash 5, because he could not reassign the channels on the 9303 to work with one of the planes he brought. Apparently, to for the elevon mixing to work right you have to put the servos on channels 1 6 with the 9303, but as he has a 5 channel Rx that wasn't going to work. I don't know if he just wasn't familiar enough with the 9303 or what, but I do know that re-assigning servos to channels and/or controls is a trivial undertaking with the Profi 4000. I got one about a year ago and have been absolutely loving it ever since! Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Well, obviously you have profi religion and faith that Ernie won't retire, or decide not to repair radios in his spare time. Personally I will stick with a major distributor who supports their product with a trained staff of 6 or more full time techs and field support by all the JR team members, and factory support personnel. Granted you can't expect the personal touch, but look at the volume difference, One or two vs many radio turn arounds. If they are so good, you have to wonder why you see so many Profi's for sale used these days? Are there owners buying new ones? Where? Turn around is fair play :-) Hey apples to apples, new price to new. The used radio market is another thing entirely. The profi is an excellent radio, no argument, once the king (in Europe especially for large scale sailplanes), with factory support, on going development, but face the facts, that has come to an end as far as future development of the profi is concerned. The Hitec future may hold another multi channel radio in development, but it will look like all the other Asian offerings.(EVO) The new, albiet overpriced Futaba 14 channel has what looks like the future in hand, JR will follow with one of their own no doubt, hopefully with a tad bit more function than glitz. Who want mp3's on their transmitter? Look at the market. Germany has 25% unemployment, no one is buying high priced stuff but the elite flyers. The hobby shops are going out of business over there. No one is going to develop a radio for a handful of Germans, Swiss and, Austrians. My assumption is they will support the German market for a while, and supply the U.S. connoisseur willing to pay $1000.00 for a transmitter, special order. Even here we are aging, willing to spend more and we want to do less, not build planes, not program radios, etc. The average age for modelers is 50 something. The dollar is in the dumpster against the Euro, so who, ultimately, is going to make radios in Germany for the U.S. market? Enjoy your profis while they last. Long live Ernie!! JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Lange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:56 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 John Derstine wrote: First, to be fair, comparing a Profi 4000 to a 9303 function to function is not even close to the same level of radio. If you can get a Multiplex 4000, most of the mid level distributors for Hitec do not have them by the way, you will pay $1000.00 for a radio that is an incredibly flexible system. Or, you can get a used Profi 4000 for about the same price as a new 9303 or Evo. Turnabout is fair play! :) enerally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Paul: Very good point you have. My email signature includes my web address, and my business name. Anyone, if they do not already know me, can go look and see what I sell. I also sell Hitec, Multiplex, and up until a little while ago FMA. The telling story is, that as a small niche supplier of scale sailplanes and a few accessories, I can choose to do business with any company in the world. I get offers every day from Germany, the Czech Republic, and a few from China and Vietnam, (yuk). With FMA, to become a dealer all I did was talk to Fred Marks, and he said poof you are a dealer, with Hitec, similar story, Hitec does offer some products that my customers want, but mostly I use MAXX Products, their mid level distributor, for all the electronic accessories they offer for set up and custom installations of radio components. With Horizon Hobbies, they choose you. It is no slam dunk to represent them. They, in my experience offer superior level servos, and the best SUPORTED radio equipment world wide. If I want to fly in Europe all I need is a module and RX crystal on 35. To answer your question I can not sell JR products to customers directly. I am not a Horizon Hobby dealer. I as an OEM am only authorized to install their JR branded radio equipment in my Pegasus tow planes as part of a pre installed package, at a customer's request, or in other imported sailplanes I sell. Part of what I do is supply RPV airframes to small aerospace companies, they request JR servos, for reasons of performance, reliability, and availability. Many have their own OEM accounts with Horizon. Horizon has very high standards, and expect the same from their representatives. I have pursued the relationship with them from personal experience. It has been my choice as a happy and satisfied customer first. I have the luxury to fly what ever 3-5k scale sailplane I choose. I have used every brand of radio gear available. Let's face it, it all works to some level of acceptance. I have used Futaba, Hitec, and FMA gear over the years. Never got into the Airtronics mindset, but their gear is high quality also, but it is really more like a cult following these days. When I travel to distant events for example, if there are JR reps there, and often they are, if you break down, they get you flying, if you need a crystal, you have it no questions asked. Is the 10X the easiest radio to program? No. Is it the best supported 10 channel radio in the U.S.? I believe so. Could it use 2 more channels? One could wish. The 9303 is the best $500.00 sailplane radio on the market. That is an opinion, but hey, it is of course, my prerogative. It is the opinion of a private user/satisfied customer, as I can't sell the radio by itself to an end user. Feel the difference. OOPs that sounded like an endorsement, and we are really off the topic. Two years from now, Multiplex as it was will be a distant memory for most people. A very sad story really. Oh there will be the foamy crappy planes and the Evo derivatives. Who knows maybe Hitec will offer a hybridized new radio in the future with 14 channels using the IPD technology they bought. There will always be the discerning enthusiast seeking out the boutique radio which addresses their particular needs, who will continue to trade, swap, and seek out the Profi. It is a great radio, it has lots of channels and features no other radio has, but few need, and therein lies the reality. It's half life is over. It is what it was last year forever, until they quit making it. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:13 PM To: John Derstine; 'Steve Lange'; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 Hi John, The JR 9303 sounds like a very nice tx however, I was hoping you could clarify the statement on your website that: EMM is a JR OEM end user. If you have questions about availability of JR radio gear included with your Sailplane or tow plane, email or call for pricing as it is considered good etiquette to indicate if your relationship with the product you are recommending is something more than just a satisfied customer. It's always nice to know if there's a bit of sales pitch mixed in with the glowing review :) cheers Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000
Paul; Graupner distributes JR brand equipment in Germany and Europe. Horizon does the same in the U.S. They each tailor the product to their specific market. The German market has been very demanding and they have reconfigured JR equipment to meet those demands, hence the pizza box designs with unlimited switch and stick assignments plus more or less open mixing.(MC 24) While at the same time offering the standard JR line. One example is the JR 9X from Japan. Totally different programming features from the 9303. Interestingly, Graupner took that chassis made it a 12 channel and calls it the MX 22. Again it uses Graupner firmware which differs both from the 9X and 9303. I know pilots who have owned all three and say that the 9303 goes the farthest with sailplane specific preprogrammed mixes and firmware. So look at it this way. Germany has 25% unemployment, the relatively small modeling community is aging as it is here, and shrinking as well. Hitec in Korea now owns Multiplex. They supposedly bought the company for their radio technology. Where do you think they are going to target there marketing of any forthcoming products? Germany? Well they will most likely keep the German Multiplex alive for the foreseeable future, but they are already stripping it to the bone. No more Contestline kits, they were recently sold off to one of their venders. What is new for Multiplex in 2005?? Elapor unbreakable foam gliders. As far as the U.S market. Hitec/Multiplex USA offers foam planes, evos a few servos, rxs, electric motors, and not much else. No accessories like servo boxes or hardware. The Profi is available in very limited quantities until such time it disappears entirely from the U.S. I have no real info on what to expect in the future from Hitec, but my feeling is we will see more Evo like offerings with perhaps a high end radio with 12-14 channels looking like any other Japanese or Korean unit. Multiplex name or not, it will all be made in Asia. Some of it already is... not necessarily a bad thing. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:13 PM To: John Derstine Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re:Profi Multiplex 4000 Hi John, Thanks for clearing that up. I don't live in the US and I'm not into scale so I'd usually have little reason to visit your site, but the multiplex vs jr debate prompted me to take a look. I'm interested in why you think HiTec will drop support for Multiplex? It's seems like a bizarre strategy to purchase a high end equipment manufacturer only to run it into the ground. A similar case could be JR's handling of Graupner: correct me if I wrong but it seems that while JR owns Graupner(?) they don't distribute their radio gear to the US, or at least it appears that way judging by a quick google search and the infrequent mentions they get on RCSE. So perhaps you will be proven right and Multiplex will disappear from the US, but I'd be very surprised if they shut up shop anywhere else. cheers Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Ferrite beads source
John; Great that Horizon offers these as a full service supplier, but are any sailplane guys still using them? Maybe Jet guys? I can understand that for tight fitting installations with lots of potential RF noise sources they might be useful. Al: For what it is worth, with today's heavy duty wire, and quality servos, I have never used these or any filtering on the largest of my scale sailplanes up to 42% scale, my old Bruckmann Swift for example with 4 foot servo leads, or my Hangar 9 46% Ultimate with 13 servos, yards of wire etc. and a 150cc ignition motor bolted up front. For sailplanes: 2500 mah batteries minimum, quality 22 gauge wire, hardwired or branded (JR of course :-)) connectors and heavy duty redundant switches, careful routing of the antenna, no problems. I often twist my wires for long leads, but have found even this unnecessary on my Ultimate Bipe. Magic, er... Ferrite beads won't solve your problem, maybe mask it. JD, the other one. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:09 AM To: John Diniz; Don Lisa Copley; Albert E Wedworth; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Ferrite beads source Also see this link for the snap type RF filter. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID= JRPA028 John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What I have in my BIG glider.....
My arm is for hire, send airline tickets and it's yours for free. For guys who don't have a fish scale, don't want to use an arbitrary number, it is a good rule of thumb er... arm. Besides like Mike, Joe, I am left handed and entirely in my right mind, as only left handed people are. :-} The safest thing is to have a 100 in oz servo installed and a good release if you are flying 1/3 ships. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brian Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:19 AM To: John Derstine; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] What I have in my BIG glider. At 10:11 AM -0500 3/5/05, John Derstine wrote: The pull test is a great idea. How much? If I can pull the loop on my 1/3 scale anything as hard as I can with one hand and it still releases, it is just about enough. We can't all have your arm nearby to do a pull test. If you get a fish scale and come up with number, that would be the standard. Someone is sure to mention using a weak link loop in the sailplane. While good in theory, when you're going down fast waiting for your weak link to fail, call me. Actually using line for loops that will break before the tow line rips the release from the nose of your glider makes sense, but it won't be practical to rely on it as a fail safe if it is strong enough to pull your sailplane up in the first place. Weak link is not practical. I sure don't want it to break when I just lifted off and nowhere to turn. Just make sure you have a working system and a back up tow release in the tug. Like the full size counter part, pre-flight and preventive maintenance. make sure your plane is in good condition before you fly it. Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Hitec Digital Servo Burnout problem solved
Al: With all due respect, please have another set of experienced eyes go over your installation before you fly the sailplane. A servo load test might be advisable if in doubt. Sounds like you might just be masking the problem with your solution. JD -Original Message- From: Albert E Wedworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:41 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Hitec Digital Servo Burnout problem solved Hi All I fixed my servo problem! I installed Airtronics 141 servos in the wings. Today I was bench flying my Ventus and guess what?? Two more Digital servos burned out! ( I hate when that happens! ) SO I got a wild hair and installed my fleet of Airtronics 141 servos I had laying around.. Problem solved. I guessthe wiring in the wing wasn't big enough. Everything is working GREAT Cheers Al Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw Realestate REALTOR- ASSOCIATE Cell 530-228-9445 Fax 530-343-1715
RE: [RCSE] What I have in my BIG glider.....
Both glider and towplane need strong servo releases. At least 90-100 in oz in 1/3 scale sailplanes. Not only that, you need a tow release mechanism that works under load, with no bends in the pushrod controlling it. Set it up so that the servo pulls to release, not push. This sounds obvious, but I have seen guys set theirs up the other way. The aluminum cam wheel pivot hook type is the best type for this in the sailplane. Other types. As in the pushrod and cross bar type can actually bind more under load. In a big towplane with lots of power, the F shaped milled aluminum top mounted tow release works well for convenience, but you should have at least 100 in oz servo on it. The only time you need to release the towplane other than unhooking up the towline at the end of the day, is when there is an emergency. Plan for it. Let's look at when you really need a release quickly. When towing under normal conditions a 30 in oz servo is fine, there is practically no load on the system. But when trouble occurs, that towplane going down fast and your still hooked, you better have all you can get in servo power and mechanical advantage. Relying on the tow pilot and tug release is not enough. I have seen tow releases fail to work even with strong servos and good tow releases installed under high load. Not fun. Plan for the worst case, and that is almost good enough. With small light sailplanes and tugs, space and common sense should dictate protocol. The pull test is a great idea. How much? If I can pull the loop on my 1/3 scale anything as hard as I can with one hand and it still releases, it is just about enough. Someone is sure to mention using a weak link loop in the sailplane. While good in theory, when you're going down fast waiting for your weak link to fail, call me. Actually using line for loops that will break before the tow line rips the release from the nose of your glider makes sense, but it won't be practical to rely on it as a fail safe if it is strong enough to pull your sailplane up in the first place. JD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out! Again...
Here is a comment from one of my customers who does not subscribe to RCSE. His opinion differs from mine in choice of servos, but since he is actually flying his 5 Ventus2AX with these I will share it. Jim is an accomplished Imacc style pilot and flies all types of planes. John, I don't subscribe to RISE I look at the posts on Yahoo groups. I have to comment on the guy with the HI-Tec problem. The background on my Ventus first. Tip ailerons-5125 no problems, ailerons-5245-no problems, flaps 5245-no problems, rudder and elevator 5645, tow release HS-77 and retract 645. This plane has been put through the wringer with these servos and not a whimper. This guy needs to get rid of the 5 cell pack and run a 4 call pack. Mine has 2 2400 nimh on a battery backer. These servos are more than enough for this 5 meter ship and if I were to set up a bigger sail plane I would use the same set up. The flight loads on the plane are not so great that the servos cant handle it. The Pegasus is a different story. (JR 8611's used) Each time I fly it I cant resist showing off with it and it just kills the IMAC guys that it can look so plain and fly so good. I just had to comment to some one about this. Jim. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out! Again...
OK: So you buy a $1500.00 molded plane, spending money to fly it safely should not be a primary concern. You have a 5 meter 26 pound aircraft here. It will fly at high speeds. While in theory the Hitecs should work, I would not use what you have specked out in anything over a 4 meter class ship of considerably less value. This not a Hitec bash per se. Hitec digital servos are fine at six volts, (and the high end standard digitals are good quality). It is more the application. You dont need a regulator. And some servos dont like them. personally JR DS368 or DS3421s, or applicable Airtronics servos would be a better investment in my opinion. Reference your investment in airframe. What is it worth to you? But I dont think this is your issue. Sorry, In case I missed something along the way, I assume you are installing the servos with out hooking them up to the control surfaces first, checking that the travel matches the available surface deflection before hooking up and turning on the radio. Do the surfaces move freely?? Second, I question the battery and switches and possibly your wiring (if you hard wired your servos for example). Initially I dont think the servos are the problem here, from the sound of your notes. New batteries, quality switches, rx? all correctly wired?? Sounds like a short, or mis wired something. Check the simple stuff first. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Albert E Wedworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:45 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out! Again... Hi All Al Here we go again... So I sent the 4 burned out servos to Hitec for replacement, 3. HS 5125 MG 1. HS 5245 MG Two 1/2weeks later. I get them back Monday this week and.. Guess what They come back in a Nice Plastic Blue Box with stickers even.. What happened to the cardboard boxes??
RE: [RCSE] Plug-in wing wiring connectors: good, bad, ugly?
EMM supplies all LET models over 1/3.5 scale with factory installed pre-wired, pre installed plug and play wing connectors and fuselage wing wire harnesses. On the out put/input ends, We use heavy duty JR/Graupner wire, add JR gold plated servo and rx connectors. Mini Sub D wing to fuse connectors have proven very reliable in actual use... In the field tested by Pete Goldsmith who has flown his LET DG-800s over 900 flights at air shows and scale events around the U.S. In plain English, it is important to locate the plugs for proper strain relief, referenced mechanical I assume by Simon. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:22 PM To: Steve Lange Cc: soaring@airage.com At present there are two operations who can supply you, Hoopes and PnP Systems. Each type of aircraft has different electro-mechanical demands, you need to choose a system that can be custom built to meet those unique demands. Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] HF LET scale sailplanes orders
Commercial plug here, I have taken some emails of interest on the HF models special order going in this week. I have lost a few computer files recently and have attempted to reach all those who expressed an interest. If I have not, let me know and I will get you on the order. Also: I am starting to take orders for the next LET shipment. These are custom ships made to your specification and trim detail (1/3.5 scale and larger). Choose your own vinyl trim color and numbers, pre installed retract servo, water ballast, custom gelcoat color, wing lay ups etc. Exclusive service offered by EMM. The LF-20 will be the scale cross country ship to beat at 1/3 scale and 6.6 meters. I will be offering the renewed Multiplex Contestline by Tangent in the near future. There will be a great opportunity to get in on special introductory deals with the first order. http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/emm%20news2.htm page down to bottom of news Tangent site: http://www.tangent-modelltechnik.com/html/produkte.html Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Manfred Radius get a prop
Well since the thread on Manfred Radius I found this file on my computer. Obviously not done in the US. I published it on my web page for entertainment, since people seem to be going through Lift Zone withdrawal. (They are performing a hardware update by the way) JD http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/pegflic.htm Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] AMA DVD and coin
Also - it is the Ultimate Model Aeronautics Video but no soaring content? Not very ultimate, me thinks. Agreed, but what's exciting about watching a sailplane thermal at 1500' to the uninitiated, or anyone? That's the perception. 3D power aerobatics close in, helicopters, and generally noisy stuff gets all the attention. But scale aerotowing on the otherhand, now that can get exciting, noisy tow planes, high speed inverted passes with a 6 meter, glider aerobatics finishing with a screaming high speed pass. Plus eye candy on the gound without compare. See http://www.quietflyer.com/videos/JRAero2004/index.html for video of the 2004 JR aerotow. Free, no $9.00 required. Or go fly there next June yourself. The AMA doesn't know what they are missing, and perhaps a suggestion might be in order. 2005 JR Aerotow event info; http://www.scalesoaring.net/2005%20JR%20Aero%20Tow%20Final.pdf just go do it. Soar that is... JD PS: Paul Naton might be video recording this event this June. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Digital photography sailplane reference
Sailplane photography, outside, daylight, for web and magazine publishing, 1200-1500 dpi. max It suits fine. All the tech talk is great, but for my purposes as I stated it works fine and for someone who wants a high function, feature loaded camera with superior optics, for less than half the price of an SLR type, it is a great alternative. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Erich Merkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:18 AM To: John Derstine; 'James V Bacus'; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Digital photography Something that escapes most people is that the sensors in 8 MP non-SLR digitals are physically smaller than the sensors in 8 MP SLR's, so although the resolution of the two sensors will be equivalent, because of the smaller pixels the images produced by the smaller sized sensors will exhibit more noise... especially at higher ISO settings. So while images taken at ISO 800 or even 1600 on my Canon 20D are acceptable, those taken on the Nikon 8700 (or any other small sensor digicam) will likely exhibit enough noise to render them unusable. If you have no need to take available light images in low light conditions then it probably doesn't matter... Erich Merkel Colville, WA Phone: 509-684-0440 Cell: 509-680-1141 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Scale Aerobatics at Eagle Butte
Guy: On the website I see a slope combat event listed for that date? Also, just curious how you plan to do scale aerobatic routines on a slope. I suppose it is possible if you limit the maneuvers to horizontal figures, and or count on thermaling to altitude first? How will you define the box? I think it is a great idea in theory, because no one is doing it. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: GuyR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:49 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Scale Aerobatics at Eagle Butte Less than a month to go! An introduction to Scale Aerobatics will be held at Eagle Butte Washington March 20. This is a fun intro level event with room for beginners and experts to try aerobatics with scale sailplanes and PSS models. See this link for details. http://mcs.rchomepage.com/ Guy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE: Scale Aerobatics on the slope - yep!
Well I did know you guys were doing it, but I forgot. Sorry. Ill put it on my calendar. Buy that time I may have a new aerobatic ship together. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tom Hoopes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:59 PM To: John Derstine; 'GuyR'; soaring@airage.com Subject: Scale Aerobatics on the slope - yep! John, After the first Soar Utah (1993), our club (http://silentflyer.org/) has held a scale aerobatic routine competition at each Soar Utah, on the slope (Point of the Mountain, Utah). We've intentionally relaxed the format to get more participation as well as maintaining a spirit of low pressure fun flying. We've adopted a format loosely based upon the AMA rule book (15.1.Task A1). In addition, a K factor (level of difficultly multiplier) has been incorporated in the judging. It is great fun to see superbly skilled, scale pilots showing signs of nervous pressure when thrown into this format. After a decade of using this format, and getting favorable input, we continue to use it. We separate the sailplanes into to three classes: Modern, Vintage (pre-1957), and PSS so that each pilot is competing against similar planes/pilots. So, someone has been doing it for more than 10 years and it works. Come out to the next Soar Utah (2006), which is held every even year, and you can see the event as well as fly in it. Tom Hoopes - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Hoopes Designs - Taking the hassle out of wing wiring harnesses http://www.hoopesdesigns.com
RE: [RCSE] Digital photography
I got a Nikon Cool pix 8700 for under $600.00. 8 megapixels. I like the small compact size and it will do everything I require of a camera and most of the larger SLR body types. No lens interchangeability but you can add lenses to the existing. Great for traveling to events. Wil Byers turned me on to the advantages of the cool pix. He uses one for his shots in Quiet Flyer. It can handle a micro drive storage media if desired. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: James V Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:58 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Digital photography Yes, that is quite a nice camera, I wish I had one... At 03:53 AM 2/24/2005, Anker Berg-Sonne wrote: There was some discussion quite a while back about what cameras to use for digital photography of planes. I recently purchased a Nikon D70 and have two lenses. The kit 18-70mm and a zoom tele 70-300mm - with digital you get the equivalent of 1.5 times the lens, so I really have from 35mm to 450mm. Anyway, the best thing about this camera is that when you press the button it takes a picture, no shutter delay. Even better, you can now get the camera with the kit lens for under a grand with mail in rebate. Anker Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sheldon @ YNT
Sheldon your email is bouncing, ping me. JD
RE: [RCSE] Winch advice please
Ross: Ken Leamy, one of my customers has constructed a winch like this, He is on this list, but if he does not respond to your question, here is his email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John D. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ross Biggar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:03 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Winch advice please I would like to source information on how to construct/purchase parts of a winch that is able to safely launch a scale saiplane weighing 20 to 30lbs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR 9303 sailplane programming
There are several things in the manual that are not clear, omitted, and poorly laid out for the way my mind works. The radio is actually simpler to operate than the manual indicates. They take you through each step of each entire process for every programming feature and it sounds more complex than it is. I wrote a how to with an 8 servo wing electric sailplane, and point out several ways (of many) to accomplish this. Full trailing edge camber and reflex can be done with simple trim settings with switches right on top of the radio, and be assigned to a three position switch.. If you want to have more complex arrangements you can utilize flight modes. http://www.scalesoaring.net/tips.htm JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Malvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rc Soaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR 9303 sailplane programming On 2/19/05 17:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody written a full 'How to program' instruction guide for programming the new JR 9303 for sailplanes? If somebody has published the instructions, is it available on the internet? Thanks, S Gibson Not sure if this is what you want, but JR publishes a great programming guide on how to set up a full house glider with the 9303. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Manuals.aspx?ProdID= JR P9 269** ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Shadow 1 RX from Apogee
Kurt; It is no longer being made (but still supported), being replaced by this; The shadow 3. http://www.dionysusdesign.com/Shadow1.shtml Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kurt W Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:15 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Shadow 1 RX from Apogee Does anyone have any experience with this receiver? It looks too good to be true... but with today's SMT technology I'm not surprised. Any feedback good/bad is much appreciated. Thanks. Kurt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Shadow 1 RX from Apogee
It is the same company, all you have to do is click on the link. http://www.dionysusdesign.com/Shadow1.shtml And the 3 is the 7 channel unit. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 9303 questions
There should be a card in your box to send for the other manuals no charge, or go to Horizons web site and down load a pdf file and print it. The copy function is done from model select in the system menu. It is not spelled out in the manual as I remember. If you are not comfortable with the JR charge polarity, just make up charging plugs for your aftermarket charger, or pull the batteries for charging. I usually carry spare charged batteries so I don't have to field charge anyway. You can charge up to a 1 amp rate through the transmitter with no problems. Plenty for your intended battery. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: James R MacLean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:23 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] 9303 questions Just got my 9303 and starting to charge batteries and read the manual. A few general questions arise: Is there a copy function to make duplication of similiar models easier? Is there a diode in the charging circuit? I would like to use a larger (1650 mah which is the same physical size) NiMH battery. The battery connector is different from the usual Molex type. Any thoughts? I was surprised by one thing, the sailplane version only comes with a sailplane manual which does not give much help in setting up a power plane. I wanted to fly the radio and receiver in my mule plane looking for infant failures in a cheap plane which vibrates a bit also. Have to mail in request for a manual or download from the net. Kind of a lot of pages to have to print out at work. There is also the reversed charging plug polarity. Anyone haave an idea about how the input circuit is arranged? It should be possible to add a small but rugged diode which will protect the transmitter innards from a reversed input long enough to blow the input fuse. I think some have just rewired the input connector which is certainly easy enough but hard to mark in a way to preclude trying to use a JR charger as it would normaly be used. Thanks for any thoughts. Looking forward to using this excellent radio. Jim MacLean RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Nimh batteries
Bill; Depends on the type NIMH how they like to be charged. For high capacity 3300 cells for electric flight motor packs, up to a 5 amp charge. Steve Neu did a nice article in quiet flyer about this a while back. I generally use 3.5-4 amps on a 28 cell pack. They do like cycling to achieve maximum capacity. For flight packs, normal capacity cells should respond to charging similar to nicads if a sensitive cutoff voltage is used. The key is a quality charger and quality cells. Monitor capacity regularly, always good advice. Cheap is as cheap does, to paraphrase Forrest Gump. Now Lipo's scare me a little still... JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Swingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:47 PM To: RC Soaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nimh batteries Nimh batteries have been around for quite a while. I've stopped caring much about them. Frankly, though it's not always the wisest choice, I treat them RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] EMM announcement
I have an arrangement to import the Multiplex/Tangent line to the U.S.. Who is Tangent? It is a long story, but one with a very happy ending due to an old friend of mine and business associate in Germany who made it possible. I think this is an opportunity to help those looking for quality German kits with good instructions, great flying qualities, and I think the prices will be very competitive. Tangent was one of Multiplex's major sub contractors for over 20 years and made the wings, and most of the Multiplex contest line. They reside in the Scwabian Alps in Southern Germany. (not CZ or China) Multiplex did not actually manufacture the kits themselves. If you notice on the web site some of the non scale Tangent gliders resemble some discontinued Multiplex planes. Tangent did not sell retail as far as I ever knew, but did jobbing work for other manufacturers. Same planes, from the same manufacturer, and improved with some new features. Tangent is also supporting past Multiplex contest line customers with parts. http://www.tangent-modelltechnik.com/html/produkte.html All planes are in stock in Germany now. I hope to place an order soon. I will be happy to quote off line. The 6 meter Nimbus 4 features a steel round wing rod, red aluminum spoilers, pre fit rudder, hardware package, and carbon reinforcing in the wing and fuselage. A super quality kit, and a great value. The Tangent Vortex looks like a super ship with an MH 32 foil, fully flapped it should perform with a very wide speed range. Big at 166 (4.28m) Similar to the discontinued Multiplex Condor it would seem. Please email directly or call. http://www.tangent-modelltechnik.com/html/produkte.html Tangent has said that they are updating all the Multiplex kits to today's standards with better wing joiner systems and stronger airframes. PS I will put info on the Scalesoaring/EMM site soon, but not yet. Thanks, JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR 9330
If you look at my 9303 review at http://www.scalesoaring.net/tips.htm You will see how to do this using the throttle hold feature. One of many scenarios. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:43 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] JR 9330 Dear fellows I have a JR 9303 radio and wonder if someone can help me. I desire to have preserved the crow/camber capability AND still have a proportional throttle function fully operational to acelerate an engine. All this is to be used in a powered glider. Some advice? TKS in advance. Claudio Costa. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane
A little harsh there Bill... static tests only so far. I can only suppose, if I did not know what prop pitch/size worked best, that a handful of zingers might be a good way of dialing in the basic full throttle configuration. Money is not the object here, believe me. Eventually an in flight adjustable variable pitch prop will be the solution. You might remember Hanno Prettner with his set up in the 1980's? The issue with turbines is that they need to spool up to full power. A fixed pitch prop is a little limiting as the throttle response is extremely slow without the ability to feather the prop then apply pitch as in a helicopter, or go full beta. Like wise upon set up for landing when you cut the throttle, there is no braking effect. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Malvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:30 PM To: '5-Soaring Forum' Subject: Re: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane On 2/11/05 17:05 John Derstine wrote: Jet assisted towplane http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327913 I love it. Put a turbine on a Pegasus and then experiment with crap props?? Zingers?? Wow. Have they tried using real props? Mejzlik? Menz? Airmodels?? Biela?? ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane
Same guy. Has a scale turbo tandem Caproni 1/3 scale. Not flown yet. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Malvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:19 AM To: '5-Soaring Forum' Subject: Re: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane On 2/12/05 2:58 John Derstine wrote: A little harsh there Bill... static tests only so far. Only in my opinion of the prop that I saw :~} absolutely nobody that I know running large engines where performance is key use Zinger props. SO that was the basis of my opinion. Even for static testing, using an inferior prop proves what?? A fixed pitch prop is a little limiting as the throttle response If I recall how real turboprops work, the engine runs flat out and the prop pitch is used to control thrust with an over speed governor in the loop, so a fixed pitch prop on a turbine is indeed a challenge. Still very cool idea. So who's going to be the first to put a turbine in a scale glider?? ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane
Jet assisted towplane http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327913 Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:08 PM To: 5-Soaring Forum Subject: [RCSE] Jet assisted Sailplane http://www.usamt.com/videos/Jet%20Glider.wmv http://www.silentwingsairshows.com/video/twinjet_1.wmv http://www.jetsoveruae.com/video/Viper_crash.wmv Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] VMS connectors
To each his own I guess. Soldering has its associated dangers and limitations; there are good places to solder (wires together) and not so good applications; a good crimped connection is superior to a soldered one. Why else would the industry support it world wide? Bad question I suppose, but it is true. Strain relief built in, and less danger of a hard transition from wire to solder filled wire, easily broken. Especially true in power planes where vibration is an issue. Generally a longer servo lead gives me the option of lopping it off and hard soldering the wires together, then using the end in the fuselage to plug into the rx. I hard wire all my wing servos and eliminate any connector. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:13 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] VMS connectors At 10:08 AM 2/9/2005, you wrote: As originally posted by Gordy concerning the Volz servos . tiny VMS connector system. --snip-- All this chatter about VMS connectors prompts me to throw in my 2-bits. Volz taught me a valuable lesson. Having a connector right next to the servo is a wise thing to do. Alas, the Volz connectors are s small for my tired old eyes and feeble fingers that I have a hard time using them. Alas, I also use JR 368's in most everything and JR hasn't figured that out yet, so I make my own micro-connector set-up. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
They own the name, and in what I understand, that's what is in play here. You can make an F-104 and call it a gizmo 2000. Certainly the model manufacturer is not threatening or infringing on any full scale design patents. The general shape is most likely not an issue. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:47 PM To: Doug McLaren Cc: fly1milehi; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans My apologies, maybe it was you have gave a nice breakdown of copyright versus patent. Good points..which makes me wonder precisely what the original threat of litigation to cease and disist manufacture of replica miniatures was about... Quoting Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:38:35AM -0800, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: | Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the | original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control | models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built (like | the F-104, U2, etc). Are you sure it's patents? _Any_ patents on the F-104 and U2 would have expired by now. After all, patents are only good for 20 years, and both the U2 and the F-104 were created in the 50s. Any copyrights may have expired as well, though the specifics would depend on exactly what part of the law applied -- for example, does producing a plane count as `publishing with notice'? (Of course, there's the question about it being covered by copyright at all.) http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm Gives a nice summary, but doesn't answer the question. | Tom was gracious enough to point out the significant differences between | copyright and patent, go read his email too. I did too, and mentioned trademarks as well. This is a nice table -- http://www.patent-faq.com/types.htm that talks about the various types of protection. Whatever LM thinks they have, it's got to be in here somewhere. If somebody were to get a reasonably good IP lawyer and fight LM on this, I suspect that they could actually win. Of course, that good IP lawyer I was talking aobut would probably have a better idea of the chances than I do. | If readers projected just a smiggen of such wasted energy towards | the appropriate targets (like bad government, Lockheed Martin) as | they do towards fellow posters, we would be living in Valhalla... Isn't Valhalla the place where the fight all day long and get resurrected each morning so they can fight again? In any event, there's not much energy involved in online flaming. Try to translate that to real world money, and you could probably buy about six minutes of a lawyer's time. Ob Soaring related: Unfortunately, Austin, TX weather has not been conducive to soaring lately. Cloudy, drippy and not even windy. A few people went slope soaring last saturday, but I didn't even think it was windy enough to skip out on work for it (or I would have ... the DTs are starting up. Flying with a motor takes the edge off, but the weather hasn't even been good for that ...) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes paranoia is just a heightened state of awareness... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] copyright infringment info
Well it turns out Ed was not considering ripping off Multiplex, but he, I think, naively thought Hitec would let him make it here while multiplex makes it Germany. Anyway you are partly right, but it all depends on where and how you make an ASW-27. For example if you own proprietary tooling and someone makes a new tool from a positive from your molds, that's infringement. I know of a case where in the Czech republic customs seized molds made this way by an unscrupulous Dealer. The slightly altering and renaming goes on all the time with non scale stuff and why it is useless to try to copyright a fun fly airplane, reference the Zagi, look at all the look alike forms of that one. Laws vary in different parts of the world. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: TJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:20 PM To: John Derstine Cc: soaring Subject: Re: [RCSE] copyright infringment info Difference between Patent and Copyright: A patent is a set of exclusive rights granted by a government to an inventor or applicant for a limited amount of time (normally 20 years from the filing date). The term patent originates from the term to patent which means to lay open (to public inspection) and the term letters patent, which originally denoted royal decrees granting exclusive rights to certain individuals or businesses. Copyright A copyright provides its holder the right to restrict unauthorized copying and reproduction of an original expression (i.e. literary work, movie, music, painting, software, mask work, etc.) It is a legal right (usually of the author or composer or publisher of a work) to exclusive publication production, sale, distribution of some work. What is protected by the copyright is the expression, not the idea. Notice that taking another's idea is plagiarism, so copyrights are not the equivalent of legal prohibition of plagiarism. By law, copyright exists from the time of creation of an original work of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Today there is no need to put a copyright notice to have a copyright. Registration is not required to bring an action for infringement, but if the copyright was registered prior to the infringement, certain statutory damages are available which are not available if the copyright is not registered. It is a matter of good practice to place a copyright notice which includes the copyright holder and year of creation (e.g Copyright, JHU, 2001). Changing items, which include some new work and some work created in prior years can include the multiple years (Copyright, JHU, 2000, 2002). Since the Alpina is not a scale model, but an original artistic creation, I would think it would fall under this category. However, if there were substantial modifications/improvements and the name itself was not used, then it would be a different plane altogether. Producing scale planes is a different matter. Anyone may make their own version of ASW27 for example. But to copy an Escape, Emerald, Taboo, etc. to sell in the market place would be considered an infringement on the original creator's rights. T TG 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 540 943-3356 - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] copyright infringment In lieu of all the relevant conversation about copyright infringement, here is a post I just ran across on a thread in RC Groups. This is the problem, this guy doesn't seem to have a clue or any qualms about ripping off a manufacturers design. Quote- Alpina sailplane What if someone here in the U.S. had the capability to manufacture Alpina kits and put them up for sale? Would anyone be interested? --- Here is the link. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3277586#post3277586 JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED
[RCSE] Albatros 4 meter (product announcement)
Just to let any interested know. I have found a manufacturer that will continue the production of the Thomas Schmidt Albatros 4 meter semi scale sailplane. Ideal for FAI Cross country, it won last year at the NATS. It also will be supplied with an extra slip on nose for electric conversion, two planes in one! Some of you know what it is, some not, I will try to get some pictures up in the new products section today or tomorrow. I have an order going in next week and this will be by special arrangement order in advance. Call or email for details and pictures in the interim. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] copyright infringment
In lieu of all the relevant conversation about copyright infringement, here is a post I just ran across on a thread in RC Groups. This is the problem, this guy doesn't seem to have a clue or any qualms about ripping off a manufacturers design. Quote- Alpina sailplane What if someone here in the U.S. had the capability to manufacture Alpina kits and put them up for sale? Would anyone be interested? --- Here is the link. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3277586#post3277586 JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
FW: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS?
From: Dean Gradwell xcsoaringcom [EMAIL PROTECTED] For RC cross country soaring I use the Garmin Etrex Vista GPS in the glider. It weighs 5 oz. and sells for around $300. This is the only Etrex model that will work for what we do. It fits easily in the SBXC or scale ship but would not work in a TD glider. The software that John mentions is called See You www.seeyou.ws It was developed for full size sailplanes. We use a Cambridge GPS/NAV system in our full scale gliders and after a flight we download to a laptop to verify turnpoints and check various phases of the flight. It has turned out to be just as much fun to do this on a RC cross country flight. You can actually see your flight in 3d. Our website www.xcsoaring.com has a flight that John Ellias flew at a Montague contest. If that flight was on your computer you could zoom in and see each circle of the glider. You will be able to see your speed, altitude, rate of climb or decent etc. Keep in mind this is done after the flight and not real time. I have both the RCATS and Eagle Tree telemetry to expeirment with. All I wanted to check was airspeed. The Skymelody/Skypanel tells me everything else. Unfortunately they both require you look at a screen which means taking your eye off the model. This will not work for me. I think the next generation vario should as selected by a switch or slider give you airspeed with a voice telling you your airspeed in numbers. The Skymelody/Skypanel is a great vario with my favorite feature being rate of climb The way I would program my Skypanel if it had airspeed would be this way. Center position vario tone only, top position rate of climb reporting every 20 seconds, bottom position airspeed reporting every 20 seconds. I would thermal in the center or top position and cruise between thermals in the bottom position. Both Skymelody and Picolario have promised us airspeed for years. It's just a matter of time. Regards Dean Gradwell - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lighthorse' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RegDaveaolcom' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS? What Ken says includes the Sky Melody plus the Sky Panel Data Logger and separate altitude sensor. There are several additional ports on the Sky Panel to hook up switch monitors. I have not tried this for lack of time or need, but you could if your capable, make leads to tell if a given micro switch is in the on or off position. Retact doors, up and go lock up or down come to mind. Dean Gradwell showed me a software program, I forget the name, That allowed use of a Garmin with a three D photo realistic playback on a laptop, of the flight including waypoints, altitude distance etc. Virtually the same tools are available to modelers as the full scale guys. The stuff is not that expensive to the serious XC or scale guy, and the potential for use in scale XC is very exciting. I can envision Scale Cross country teams sharing the cost of a ship and it's avionics to compete. In full scale the cost of avionics can be a considerable portion of a planes cost. It is no different in models. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Lighthorse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:02 AM To: RegDaveaolcom Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS? For the 3d put a geco gps in the plane and set it to track: go here for more info http://jeklink.net/projects/GPS_Equipped_Radio_Controlled_Sailplane.html when I launch my large scale I have the Skymelody Variometer and the Garmon Geco in the cocpit. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS?
What Ken says includes the Sky Melody plus the Sky Panel Data Logger and separate altitude sensor. There are several additional ports on the Sky Panel to hook up switch monitors. I have not tried this for lack of time or need, but you could if your capable, make leads to tell if a given micro switch is in the on or off position. Retact doors, up and go lock up or down come to mind. Dean Gradwell showed me a software program, I forget the name, That allowed use of a Garmin with a three D photo realistic playback on a laptop, of the flight including waypoints, altitude distance etc. Virtually the same tools are available to modelers as the full scale guys. The stuff is not that expensive to the serious XC or scale guy, and the potential for use in scale XC is very exciting. I can envision Scale Cross country teams sharing the cost of a ship and it's avionics to compete. In full scale the cost of avionics can be a considerable portion of a planes cost. It is no different in models. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Lighthorse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:02 AM To: RegDaveaolcom Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS? For the 3d put a geco gps in the plane and set it to track: go here for more info http://jeklink.net/projects/GPS_Equipped_Radio_Controlled_Sailplane.html when I launch my large scale I have the Skymelody Variometer and the Garmon Geco in the cocpit. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] wtb; brass control horns
I have some brass 4mm and 3mm diameter they are long enough for 1/3 scale beasts. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: D Hauch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:00 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] wtb; brass control horns Hi, I'm looking for some horns like what comes with the molded planes for flaps ailerons. I have some and I see Hobby Lobby carries them, but they only have 5/16'' of threads. I need some that are longer. Appreciate any info on where to buy some. Thanks! Dave Hauch Mich. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Selig 6060 Coordinates
Ah Ha, the man has done his research on glider aerobatic sections :-) Consider transitioning to a 6061 profile at the tip. I can't send you the file as my old compufoil and profili airfoil library left my computer, but there are plenty of on line sources for this. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adam Till Cal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:05 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Selig 6060 Coordinates Hi folks, Would someone please be kind enough to send me the coordinates for the S6060 section? Thanks, Adam Adam Till RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Scale Glider Aerobatics - part 1
This might get a little long. Robin Lehman and I went to Germany in 1998 to attend but not compete in the DMFV Akrocup. Pretty much we were awed by what was going on there, 40% scale acro sailplanes competing in a very well organized format which gave little ground to what IMACC was doing in the US with power scale aerobatics. The judging, the rules were/are very well defined and organized. Pilots ranged in age from 12-40+ The 12 year old boy competed with a very small Fox and was cheered and encouraged by the adult competitors. It was an eye opener to what large scale aerobatic sailplanes were capable of. I shot video of the whole event including several routines. When we got home I produced a video in combination with our Elmira aerotow and called it Ultimate scale Soaring. The video is long out of circulation, but we were convinced that this would be the next great sailplane event in the U.S It wasn't. Several attempts were made to organize similar events in the U.S on a national level, not just a few folks looping and rolling at a LOCAL VENUE. Robin tried in vein to organize informal events at several established aerotow events. There was little interest, and that in combination with the huge distances separating the few pilots capable of even completing a routine with a sailplane, made it difficult. Pete Goldsmith got involved with scale soaring along the way, met Robin at one of these events and was excited about it. He felt the TOC crowd would be a perfect audience for new blood, and certainly these pilots had the skills to not only complete the routines but excel. Continued Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Scale Glider Aerobatics - part two
In the meantime Pete George and I made an attempt to modify the Scale Event at the NATs (2002 rules cycle I think) to emphasize the flying aspect and deemphasize the Petty arcane scale judging part. We, in three years managed to pass the revised scale event which in our minds was written in such a way as to not only encourage more general participation at the NATS event, but that this format could easily be made a scale aerobatic competition at the local level by selecting aerobatic planes as the only type competing. Flying maneuvers were to be consistent with the full scale prototype, and pilots and or CD's were free as is always the case, to modify the format within the rules to hold a local scale competition with emphasis on aerobatics. Well this effort has been hashed and rehashed and the event fizzled in spite of our efforts. It seemed that most scale pilots in the US simply had no interest in formal competition or lots of rules. The ISSA discussion was influenced by Pete Goldsmith's effort to perhaps include an informal aerobatic competition at the first JR Aerotow. The Result of that discussion was endless arguing on the part of some, insisting on their form of Aresti patterns rather than adopt the German figures that were already established, were readily available, not too difficult for the intermediate sailplane pilot, and published on the internet for anyone to copy and practice. It became obvious as the discussion went on that many scale guys just did not want to go through the hassle associated with organizing a competition. The final analysis remains that there is little interest in such serious competition among scale sailplane flyers. The TOC guys showed a little initial interest, but for whatever reason, time most likely, did not constitute a new contingent of scale sailplane acro flyers. John Diniz and Pete George even performed at the break at one of the last TOC competitions. I think there is potential for this someday in the U.S. The format needs to be relaxed enough to be fun for ordinary weekend pilots, yet challenging enough, and organized in such a way as to establish a standard and attract skilled pilots as well. Classes for non scale, scale acro planes, and perhaps vintage scale might draw a larger cross section. XCscale seems to be the next trend, and hopefully, it might be a more accessible format for flying scale sailplanes and competing. I left out tons of info, and hopefully did not raise too many hackles out there. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adam Till Cal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:45 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Scale Glider Aerobatics - Current State of Affairs? Hi all, Are there are any glider aerobatic competitions scheduled for North America in 2005? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
With one of those Piccilario altimeters?? :-) We really need to test our altitude measuring devices somehow. I am not doubting the good eyes, I have see Johnny B. tow too very high altitudes, but a Pegasus at 4000' agl is invisible. I will gladly stand corrected if someone can prove or verify these kinds of altitude claims. Maybe we should put a pic, a Sky melody, an Eagle Tree system, and a Casio watch in one plane and see what we get for grins. I will loan the Sky melody/sky panel. I calibrated mine last year. It is accurate to 3-10 feet in 1000' altitude gain. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Dennis Hoyle WMSS Sec / Treasurer / Web Geek Last August Troy Lawicki flew his 2M Duck to 4077' feet at the 2M MOM contest. That guy has got eagle eyes. Whipped my measly 3604' with my Sapphire -Original Message- From: Johnny Berlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:52 PM To: Mark Wales; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject 3999 ft. 2004 Nats cross contry scale..Pegasus tow plane Johnny RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Glad to se the list alive again, with regards to full scale sighting models it has been my experience talking to full scale glider pilots that they will indeed see a large scale ship circling with them and think that it is another aircraft, but they will also think it is 3 times farther away if it is a 1/3 scale. We need to get out of the way. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Usher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:21 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider If you are not flying in the area of full size traffic and the risk of that happening is low, I would not lose a lot of sleep over this. (Bill Malvey) If you are out in the sticks flying one of those big scale ships you're going to look just like any other traffic to a passing plane. They should just steer out of your way (like they're supposed to do for gliders, I believe) and not give you another thought. I notice that aviation charts are marked with areas where you're likely to find sailplanes, ultralights, skydivers and so on. It doesn't seem to reserve these areas (that is, you're going to find the noted activity there and only there) but its just a warning to the user to watch for this activity. We should claim a piece of that pie, we're legitimate users of airspace too -- we've just got to get people to stop thinking of modelling as something you do with sticks of balsa, tissue and rubber bands. Martin Usher Incidentally, returning to the original subject of this thread, this site first popped some time ago, it even got its own thread in RCSE. They're Canadians, they seem to know what they're doing and it looks like a fun project for them. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Did it, it is how I tested my Sky panel. You can se the plot on my website, go to tech tips then Sky melody review page.. I drove between two known elevations, one at Harris Hill glider port down to the Elmira regional airport. Accuracy was within three feet I added the 10 as a modest gesture. The car was cold to start then warmed as I drove, the unit still reported accurate readings. You can see the temperature plot as well. Keep in mind on my computer the graph can be zoomed in on to pinpoint data. John Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Doug McLaren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:46 PM To: John Derstine Cc: 'Johnny Berlin'; 'Mark Wales'; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject If you feel that your altimeter is grossly innaccurate, it's easy enough to test by just driving around with it and a GPS in your car, assuming that you've got some hills to drive on. The precision of the GPS, even with WAAS, is likely to be lower than that of your altimeter, but it should give you a good idea. This doesn't take into account temperature variations at altitude, but should give you a good general idea of how accurate the device is, especially if you can do something like drive up a 2000' hill. If you can get on the roof of a tall building and compare the readings to that on the ground, that'll work too. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you receive email saying Send this to everyone you know, PLEASE pretend you don't know me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject
Yeah, I know that to be true Johnny... Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Johnny Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider/off subject I have been accused of haveing to much fun withe the Pegsus, a time or too (BSG) Johnny RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] GPS Plotting Software
Dean Gradwell at xcsoaring.com has the software on his laptop to do this. At the NATS he showed me a couple of flights in his xbxc. It is outstanding. You can look at a movie of the entire flight complete with topography in color. Waypoints distance, everything. He has some of it posted on his site I think. Xcsoaring.com JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:45 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] GPS Plotting Software Hi Guys Gals, Some time ago there was a thread about using a Foretrex GPS in a sailplane and then later plotting the flight in 3D on a computer. Unfortunately a Windoze crash lead to a complete wipe of my hard drive and I lost all of my links to the site that discussed the software development. Anyone recall the site? It showed how to do the 3D plotting of GPS data. Thanks in advance, Jim www.jtmodels.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
Question: How would the average modeler ever know about a given local FAR, NOTAM, etc? law or not it is not likely we would be aware of said regulation. Some folks, policy mongers and bureaucrats, will argue the letter of the law ad nauseum. In many ways it is similar to the FCC, lots of rules and laws and no way to possibly enforce most of them. Some guys are afraid to change modules in their transmitter for fear of breaking some FCC reg. Just don't get caught doing something really stupid. Fly with reasonable care, and know your location. We have lost enough of our civil liberties, let's not invent ways to limit our activities. That will come of it's own accord eventually. After all, the AMA official flying site is immediately adjacent to a full scale airport. Not three miles. Go figure that one out. We were shut down from flying XC at the NATS this year because of a complaint from the airport staff. Several guys were flying directly in the pattern. We moved to the other side of the AMA site (still not three miles) away, and were flying well over 3,000 feet in some instances. Should we ask the FAA if that was OK? JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Howard Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:53 PM To: Ben Diss Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider Ben, In any event, if you are not a FAA licensed pilot or an airplane owner the FAA has no means of enforcing anything against you. FAR's are federal law. They apply to all individuals - pilots or not. Violation of regulations may subject you to severe penalties - including fines and jail time. The AC encourages voluntary compliance. Violations have no legal ramifications. Mark -Original Message- From: Ben Diss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:46 PM To: Howard Mark Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider It does have some legal power as it show the intent of the FAA. Judges can use these when interpreting FARs. Still, there is no FAR that regulates models so I'm not sure any of this matters. In any event, if you are not a FAA licensed pilot or an airplane owner the FAA has no means of enforcing anything against you. -Ben ** * This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. ** * RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
From 1996 through 2000 we did what you suggested (sans notifying the FAA). We held the Elmira aerotow at Harris Hill glider port flying with full scale sailplanes in full view of the Chemung County airport less than three miles away. We established for the first time ever at Harris Hill, radio communication between the full scale flight line, full scale tow pilots, and the model flight line. The tower guys at the airport were apprised of our activity. This was pilots both model and full scale cooperating to make something happen. The AMA knew what we were doing and turned a blind eye. Maynard Hill came, Paul Schweizer was there every year, The FAA had no idea, nobody had any expectation that their (FAA) involvement would help this be safer or that they would approve. Of course they would not. We did it, the full scale guys were OK with it and soared with us at 3500 AGL. We had spotters, we shared and took turns using the runway. The FAA is not the be all and end all. If we had asked them, we would not have kicked off the giant scale soaring movement with aerotowing. Some times it takes benign neglect to pull off an event that on the books, breaks all the rules. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Howard Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:04 PM To: John Derstine; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider Question: How would the average modeler ever know about a given local FAR, NOTAM, etc? law or not it is not likely we would be aware of said regulation. John, I think the answer is to educate the full-scale folks about the capabilities of model aircraft and establish procedures for model aircraft operations in special modes such as XC, and altitude record attempts. The AMA cannot do this. It takes the FAA. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider
This is actually a good discussion if we all remember to keep it civil. Me included. What is rapidly being pointed out by the varying points of view and opinions is that the answers lie somewhere between calling the FAA every time you fly, to ignoring the issue completely. Few if anyone here knows the facts or can speak unequivocally to the exact expectation of laws, regulations, and or guidelines. What we have to some extent are policy wonks vs. civil libertarians. Smile a little please and don't take my labels personally. Police come because someone calls them, it may have little to do with violating FAA regulations. The little guy always will take the fall, and the model airplane pilot is the little guy here. But again let's not paint ourselves into a corner. I have been flying in airspace; mine, the full scale guys, and or the FAA's for over 30 years, never had the FAA or the AMA police come and say your flying too high. It won't happen. What may happen is that when you screw up the lens will focus on the model guy. That said, if you invite scrutiny, you will get it, and maybe not the variety you want. In addition, we may have to agree that there is a big difference in regulated airspace between Southern California and Muncie Indiana, or Elmira NY. The reality here is that few if any soaring contest CD's think of getting a NOTAM from the FAA every time they have a contest... JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Doug McLaren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:52 PM To: John Derstine Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] High Altitude Glider On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 05:27:02PM -0500, John Derstine wrote: | How would the average modeler ever know about a given local FAR, NOTAM, | etc? law or not it is not likely we would be aware of said regulation. `Ignorance of the law is no excuse.' Like it or not, some NOTAMs do seem to be applied to to model aircraft. If the President is in town and they've said no flying within 20 miles, you'd probably be better off not flying, even R/C, within 20 miles. Now, you could go ahead and fly, and maybe nobody will notice, or maybe the police will come and violate some of your civil rights. Legal or not, you'll still be in jail, your plane impounded, and you'll have your day in court. You may end up winning, with the judge ruling that the NOTAM or whatever doesn't apply to you -- but you may very well lose too. And even if you win, it'll cost you money and give the hobby a bad name. It's a lose/lose situation. | Some folks, policy mongers and bureaucrats, will argue the letter of the | law ad nauseum. So, what you're saying is that somebody who looks carefully at the letter of the law is a policy mongers and bureaucrat? I don't suppose you could be somewhat more condescending -- could you? However, with regards to the document that Jim provided a link to, this does not look like a law -- it looks like a set of guidelines with no legal weight. (And by saying so, I guess that makes me a policy monger or a bureaucrat? hah!) Not that I'm a lawyer, policy monger or bureaucrat. Since it doesn't really look binding, I'll continue flying over 400' when I feel it's appropriate. | In many ways it is similar to the FCC, lots of rules and laws and no | way to possibly enforce most of them. Some guys are afraid to change | modules in their transmitter for fear of breaking some FCC reg. Actually, changing modules is allowed. It's changing transmitter crystals that's not so certain. (Not that this is an invitation to dredge up this argument again.) | Just don't get caught doing something really stupid. Fly with | reasonable care, and know your location. Sounds reasonable. However, accidents happen, and suppose that somebody was killed by an out of control R/C plane (it has happened, after all) and it was determined that the crystal on the transmitter was swapped by the end user, when the FCC prohibits this? Or that a NOTAM was ignored, because it was believed not to apply to model aircraft? | We have lost enough of our civil liberties, let's not invent ways to | limit our activities. OK, there I agree. But while I may not tell you what you can't do, that doesn't mean I won't decide for myself what's not smart to do for whatever reasons (safety, technical, political, legal, etc.) | That will come of it's own accord eventually. Maybe. Maybe not. | After all, the AMA official flying site is immediately adjacent to a | full scale airport. Not three miles. Go figure that one out. Does sound like poor planning, doesn't it? | We were shut down from flying XC at the NATS this year because of a | complaint from the airport staff. Several guys were flying directly | in the pattern. That sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it? If I see a full scale plane anywhere near where I
RE: [RCSE] Re: Schweizer X plane - the X26
Sadly, this past August, Schweizer Aircraft has been sold to Sikorsky Aircraft corp. This, ironically following the death of Paul Schweizer, one of the founding brothers. Paul did not live to see the deal consummated, and perhaps it is just. He was the visionary, the practical engineer, and the guiding light of the company well into his 80's. I am privileged to have known him and count him as one of my mentors, and a friend. He was 91 when he died. Paul heavily supported out efforts to organize the Elmira Aerotow events 1997-2000. Some of you may remember his presence at every one along with his wife Ginny. We always lamented the fact that their where so few examples of Schweizer models at our events. When ever one showed up, Paul would eagerly walk over to the owner and chat with him about the history of whatever specimen it happened to be. We even offered a static award for the best Schweizer model in attendance to encourage more Schweizers. Too bad Tom was not making kits then. It is truly an end of an era. Schweizer continues to manufacture their stealth reconnaissance planes, RPV helicopters, and manned helicopters under their own name for the time being. John D. Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: mmartin55 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:11 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Schweizer X plane - the X26 from the oldest family-owned and operating aircraft company in the world! I also have the little nostalgia plans for the 42 span 2-32 for those interested. Tom TMRC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] HTML email settings.
Part of the problem is the antiquated list mechanics, but Mike is an old DOS fan. It would seem that this list is one of few that is still using this old format. There are options, one I stated before, don't use the digest version, set up a mailbox in Outlook (if you use that) and set the rules to deliver individual messages to it. Anything with RCSE in the subject for example. You get the messages faster, they all are listed by chronological order, and you can easily peruse the headers in one glance to see what is of interest without opening any mail. Other solutions is to go to one of several web based mirrors for RCSE, I think yahoo groups, and Lift zone are two. I find these cumbersome, but for folks struggling with the Majordomo list mechanics, it is a web based GUI that is easy. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Andrew E Mileski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 12:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] HTML email settings. Martin Usher wrote: Nobody's ever explained what the problem with HTML tags in mail is -- all but the oldest mail clients are able to interpret these tags and the result looks a lot better. I don't care either way myself -- the only problem I have with non-HTML mail (like this one) is that try as I may I can't get the line breaks right. Answers anyone? It makes the digest unreadable. Worse, those that send HTML and text in a multi-part MIME message. -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
