On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
i mean if by formula you mean the guy makes tracks that build
instead of just loopy tracks, i guess thats true. but if you wanna
hear formulaic dance music (Stuff that literally sounds exactly the
same with different samples) check the jungle
oh god... why are we all going on about this again!??
:)
:) cos it's better than Indian-talk?
*gets coat*
robin...
Can I add a vote for some old mixes as still being pretty amazing?
I was listening to last.fm yesterday and Carl's remix of Spacetime
Continuum's Kairo came on. Still one of my favorite CC mixes ever!
Another forgotten favorite: Carl's remix of Can's Future Days. I love
the way that build and
Thanks for sharing!
On 1/30/07, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, thanks for sharing Martin...listening now.
robin...
Martin Dust wrote:
No worries P, been rocking the office for a couple of days with it...
as fit for release by
CC? He's not alone amongst recording artists for being a stickler, but
it's clear that he is one.)
K
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From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 January 2007 17:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
He probably
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Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
He probably engineered it himself though...
Mastering is usually handled
by the label to give it a second listen with fresh
ears.
I engineered the Death in Vegas mix for Richard
Fearless for Fabric.
Levels were adjusted by me
I also do some compilation CD mastering and import all of the CD
tracks
into Live, use a multi-band compressor on it all, match the levels
from
song to song and normalize it. Haven't had a complaint yet.
now, as for getting on the microphone and adding to all of the tracks
your own
bleep.com as apparently being
reproduced from more tastefully-compressed masters than the norm, it
seems to me.
Ken
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From: punkdISCO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 January 2007 18:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
look at early theo
You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things
sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)
This one comes up all the time despite the numerous tests that people have
setup over the years. The fact is that the internal sound engine in Live is
no less superior to
On 31 Jan 2007, at 15:18, punkdISCO wrote:
You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things
sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)
This one comes up all the time despite the numerous tests that
people have
setup over the years. The fact is that the internal
Hi again
Disagree, I can hear the difference in our studio - it's massive enough for
anyone to spot, which is why we wire Live through a desk before the sound
goes anywhere but I'd never use it to master anything in a million years.
Each to their own I guess...
It is interesting that you say
31, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
On 31 Jan 2007, at 15:18, punkdISCO wrote:
You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things
sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)
This one comes up all the time despite the numerous tests
: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
On 31 Jan 2007, at 15:18, punkdISCO wrote:
You pre-master in Live? Crikey the sound engine in their makes things
sound as flat as a pancake...Off with your ears ;)
This one comes up all the time despite
On 1/31/07, punkdISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) WAV file imported into DAW_A
2) WAV then processed using some hi end pluggin
3) track bounced to a new WAV
This is repeated in Live and other DAWs and then the bounced versions are
compared.
how are they compared? it seems like RMSE (root
in the multiple studies i've read, they're typically
compared by phase inverting one of the tracks and
mixing them. in every case that i've read about,
they've summed to silence, which means the tracks are
identical.
i actually feel like i can hear what Martin's talking
about, so I keep looking
lol, Live is absolutely inappropriate for mastering tracks.
It might not be the normal choice but there are no reasons why it can't be
used.
Unless you are using unstretched WAVs, your output from live is going to
sound degraded.
For sure. ANY stretching algorithms will have an effect of the
Hi Tom
how are they compared? it seems like RMSE (root mean square error) would
compare them well, and even a small difference can amount to great error
Sometimes its technical, sometimes its just here are 3 clips from A, B and
C.
i personally dont care which is better, so all im interested in
On 1/31/07, punkdISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes its technical, sometimes its just here are 3 clips from A, B and
C.
well a technical comparison is really all that matters. either
something is exactly the same digitally or its not. whatever the
limitations of your ears are is
On 31 Jan 2007, at 16:42, Todd Sines wrote:
I use unstretched WAVs + AIFs, so it never gets run through Live's
Warping engine. It's basically working as a VST / AU wrapper. I
could be doing it with Peak or Sound Forge but I don't. A lot
easier to keep track of 20 songs on a compilation CD
well, the compilations mastered were then loaded in and checked at the
pressing plant before going to GMCD. but yeah, that's basically it.
this wasn't the case for the Fabric mix.
+odd
--
Martin Dust wrote:
On 31 Jan 2007, at 16:42, Todd Sines wrote:
I use unstretched WAVs + AIFs, so it
On 31 Jan 2007, at 18:45, Todd Sines wrote:
well, the compilations mastered were then loaded in and checked at
the pressing plant before going to GMCD. but yeah, that's basically
it.
Crikey
this wasn't the case for the Fabric mix.
Did they send it away to have all the good bits taken
nice one, was hoping it would appear on mp3 not just as a stream...
p
Martin Dust wrote:
Pretty cool...
http://www.zshare.net/download/carl_craig_-_live___demon_days_presents-_samuraifm__-_january__2007-mp3.html
No worries P, been rocking the office for a couple of days with it...
m
On 30 Jan 2007, at 16:36, Placid wrote:
nice one, was hoping it would appear on mp3 not just as a stream...
p
Martin Dust wrote:
Pretty cool...
http://www.zshare.net/download/carl_craig_-
Yeah, thanks for sharing Martin...listening now.
robin...
Martin Dust wrote:
No worries P, been rocking the office for a couple of days with it...
I have it and love it but never notice these things as I don't have a
musician's sensitive ears
Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Williams, Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 January 2007 16:59
To:
Is it not just really squashed with a compressor rather than clipped?
The two situations look the same in a wave editor (still doesn't help
the sound quality issue though, I hate squashed mastering).
Kent? :)
robin...
Williams, Graham wrote:
I recently bought The Workout mix cd, I haven't
In any case, Carl Craig didn't master this so it's a silly reason not
to buy his mixes.
On Jan 30, 2007, at 11:57, robin wrote:
Is it not just really squashed with a compressor rather than clipped?
The two situations look the same in a wave editor (still doesn't
help the sound quality
To: Williams, Graham; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
I have it and love it but never notice these things as I don't have a
musician's sensitive ears
Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Williams
Agreed.
In any case, Carl Craig didn't master this so it's a silly reason not to
buy his mixes.
He probably engineered it himself though... Mastering is usually handled
by the label to give it a second listen with fresh ears.
I engineered the Death in Vegas mix for Richard Fearless for Fabric.
Levels were adjusted by me and then adjusted again by the mastering
facility that Fabric uses.
-Original Message-
From: Williams, Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 January 2007 17:14
To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
I think after all my years of clubbing I don't have musician's
sensitive ears, It definitely doesn't sound right
I opened it in Sound Forge to have a look. At least 50% of the mix must
have been in the red when it was recorded.
..just to repeat what a few people have said - this almost certainly will
not be clipping, just heavy compressing. As a test, open up any commercial
recording in SoundForge and it
On 1/30/07, punkdISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its only artists on the fringes that would ever dare not to compress the
hell out of their tracks.
look at early theo parrish records in a wav editor. the peaks of the
kicks will be hitting at 0 and the rest will be at -25dB or some
ridiculous
look at early theo parrish records in a wav editor. the peaks of the kicks
will be hitting at 0 and the rest will be at -25dB or some ridiculous
nonsense like that
At the danger of over simplifying things, DJs are probably the biggest
single culprits for the loss of dynamics in today's music.
Jeeze, why debate?
If it sounds bad enough, don't listen to it. Personally I think most
remastered reissues sound like crap.
Take the Inner Life Jocelyn Brown anthology on salsoul uk. They eff'd up
all the mixes by remastering it for today's systems (and CDs) that can take
more highs and lows
On 1/30/07, punkdISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At the danger of over simplifying things, DJs are probably the biggest
single culprits for the loss of dynamics in today's music. Its DJs who
don't play the quieter tracks. Its DJs that will play a heavily compressed
(loud) track on the club's PA
On 1/30/07, Gil Yaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeeze, why debate?
If it sounds bad enough, don't listen to it. Personally I think most
remastered reissues sound like crap.
Take the Inner Life Jocelyn Brown anthology on salsoul uk. They eff'd up
all the mixes by remastering it for today's
Hi Gil
If it sounds bad enough, don't listen to it etc
I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's mastering
comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply say
'don't listen to it otherwise you would not listen to anything produced in
the last decade.
On 1/30/07, punkdISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's mastering
comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply say
'don't listen to it otherwise you would not listen to anything produced in
the last decade. Sure, in
Hi Tom
listen to NCS mastering jobs on many records out of detroit, its not the
case on those... its definitely more of a problem with euro/UK records.
I was not aware of this and its good to know that some people are brave
enough to say 'screw you'..
See you,
Paul
London
The problem with tracks like the Theo is that they will basically be a
massive kick with not much around it. Either you play it so the
kicks match the level of other tracks, in which case the 'music'
besides the kick will really quiet, or you push the level, so that the
limiter on the sound
The vast majority of the listening public wouldn't notice a thing,
believe me
Rob Taylor
VT Librarian
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From: punkdISCO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 January 2007 18:59
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Carl
On 1/30/07, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with tracks like the Theo is that they will basically be a
massive kick with not much around it. Either you play it so the
kicks match the level of other tracks, in which case the 'music'
besides the kick will really quiet, or you
Ron Murphy does a pretty good job of doing just enough when he cuts
that there is still some dynamics left. The Prairie Cat guy (who did
a lot of 430 West records) is the same way. They both cut really
well-balanced records. There's plenty of limiting and compression
involved, they just don't
From the prairie cat FAQ:
http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html
Q: Why do my import records sound louder?
A: The standard for mastering vinyl in certain European countries is
different than what we have in America. One big difference is that these
import records have a zero level
On 30 Jan 2007, at 19:54, Jamil Ali wrote:
From the prairie cat FAQ:
http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html
Sounds relevant, though I don't really get it..
This may help explain a little more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYf4u-oEqhI
. Basically.
k-money
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From: Jamil Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:55 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Cc: kent williams; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
From the prairie cat FAQ:
http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html
I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's
mastering
comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't simply
say
'don't listen to it otherwise you would not listen to anything
produced in
the last decade. Sure, in your example you got the originals but for
Maybe we all need switchable phono stages.
On Jan 30, 2007, at 15:55, robin wrote:
I think the almost epidemic concern about the state of today's
mastering
comes from the fact that we don't have a choice. You can't
simply say
'don't listen to it otherwise you would not listen to anything
nah, that's from last(!) year:
Playlist for November 15th, 2005 :::
November 15th (part 1 with Carl Craig) :: [stream] [download]
*Carl Craig (Planet E, Demon Days) mix:
Playlist unavailable.
last week's mix is from chateau flight (havent' heard it yet, but lots of
unreleased stuff, tracklist
nah, that's from last(!) year:
I just went on the link at the bottom, but yeah you are right. booo :)
robin...
I heard the Radio Slave mix on his mix-CD and it's more like an edit
with the vocals. I like it actually! I like his whole CD. He even had
some strange disco track by the Osmonds on there. It was fun.
He spoke at Red Bull and it was cool. He did a fantastic Morricone
edit of my fave
you can get some of his edits here http://birth-school-work-death.blogspot.com/
at the moment including an old essential mix
scroll down to november 11
pretty poor some of them it has to be said...
On 11/14/06, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I heard the Radio Slave mix on his mix-CD
I like some of his stuff, others not my taste. That Creature of The
Night mix-CD I enjoyed though.
On 14/11/2006, at 9:20 PM, JSS wrote:
you can get some of his edits here http://birth-school-work-
death.blogspot.com/
at the moment including an old essential mix
scroll down to november 11
Yes. I haven't heard it on anything but my headphones, it sounds OK.
Sort of ravey. I quite like the vocal but some people can't stand it.
It's alright, it has some nice sounds in it but I don't think it's that
special. Has anybody heard it out? Is it actually mind-melting?
Cyclone Wehner
Actually the original of that song is kinda proggy. The lyrics are
quite interesting though.
On 13/11/2006, at 11:04 AM, Simon Hindle wrote:
Yes. I haven't heard it on anything but my headphones, it sounds OK.
Sort of ravey. I quite like the vocal but some people can't stand it.
It's
there's a (cough) radioslave mix of it i heard (i think its them).
much better - does away with the vocal
On 11/13/06, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually the original of that song is kinda proggy. The lyrics are
quite interesting though.
On 13/11/2006, at 11:04 AM, Simon Hindle
there's a fairly decent clip on dancetracks..
in answer to yr question, if there's one man who knows how to make
something sound good on a big rig...
On 9/28/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Next up from the Maestro. Only heard a clip today, but it's sounding good to
my ears. Anyone
Had to pass on this for the same reason (though I got sent a CD of
it). Also it just sounds like a genero-carl craig remix to my ears.
The C2 remix I'm waiting with baited breath for is that Japanese
Syncro System remix that's about to land (if the US pressing plants
stay open for 5
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:55:11AM +0100, robin wrote:
Had to pass on this for the same reason (though I got sent a CD of
it). Also it just sounds like a genero-carl craig remix to my ears.
The C2 remix I'm waiting with baited breath for is that Japanese
Syncro System remix that's
The C2 remix I'm waiting with baited breath for is that Japanese
Syncro System remix that's about to land (if the US pressing plants
stay open for 5 minutes :) ). The clips of that sound awesome.
Are samples of this available online? Links?? I wasn able to find
any...
Here ya go Gui.
c2 sounds alright. not as good as the jazzanova rmx of Outline though!
ill be hunting that joint down as soon as it comes in..
tom
On 9/29/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The C2 remix I'm waiting with baited breath for is that Japanese
Syncro System remix that's about to land (if the
The C2 remix I'm waiting with baited breath for is that Japanese
Syncro System remix that's about to land (if the US pressing plants
stay open for 5 minutes :) ). The clips of that sound awesome.
Are samples of this available online? Links?? I wasn able to find
any...
Here ya go Gui.
oops soz for the last double.
The label is Life Line, like the other JSS things I think.
http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/index.php?url=http://
www.piccadillyrecords.com/ver2/search1.phpnew=1search=Japanese
+Synchro+System
robin...
That sounds really promising - do you know what label
jazzanova rmx of Outline
Yeah also on my records list :)
robin...
You missed the best part of C2 set. I started to lose interest towards the
end as well. He played some Paperclip People stuff earlier, some Mills (The
Bells a cut from the b-side earlier then that... Alarms maybe?), and a
track from Martin Buttrichs's new release on Planet E.
It was nice to
I caught Rhythm Sound in Chicago, and I thought they were great. Their
set was in the tradition of Jamaican sound systems, hence the lack of
mixing.
I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of custom edits. They were playing on a
laptop with Serato. There were some really amazing riddims as they got
On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:58 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:
Yeah, love this show - currently downloading every single recorded
show - it seems Matt McQ has competition!
Heh... Beats In Space is a great show! I wish there were more like it
in America. Our show has been running for longer ;) but
On Wed, November 16, 2005 8:58 pm, Gamall Backspin Promotions 718.399.1632
wrote:
* CARL CRAIG new album summer 2006
NOW we're talking!!!
tom
You guys also should know that the latest episode of Beats In Space
(www.beatsinspace.net) has a mix from the man himself on it.
And last week's show has a mix from Darshan Jesrani!
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/05 11:05 am
On Wed, November 16, 2005 8:58 pm, Gamall Backspin
I can't remember if anyone here likes Carl Craig or not
heh. you aint been reading lately then!
still the best. etc. thanks for the link
alex
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seems Matt McQ has competition!
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Subject: (313) Carl Craig on Beats in Space
I can't remember if anyone
* DELIA GONZALEZ GAVIN RUSSOM Carl Craig remix [DFA] 12² single
OH MY WORD!
that could be very hot indeed.
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That was so weird. I just now spontaneously remembered (as you do
sometimes) a line from that Yin Yang Twins track: 'It depends of the
swing of the baseball bat,' then I opened this message and there it
is...
If you don't know that track by the way, you might like it. It's the
most minimal
I'm always floored when I hear this track out at a commercial hiphop party or
in boomboxes around the city because it's so minimal. It doesn't even sound
like it was mastered for radio play with its ultra low bass and spacious
sound. It sounds to me like the hot southern rap artists are highly
throw that
p to newer tune's like drop it like it's hot (not snoops song) it's
all for the bootylicious. And that's the dirty south 101 for today.
KKS
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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:27 PM
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) Carl
Chips are good - well in that sense, legit! It wasn't a diss!
My mum's family were from the North Wales.
Melbourne people always have a big big big chip over Sydney. It's a pride
thing too, but less easy to explain than the UK's North/South scenario as
there's no economic history.
They have a
]
08/31/05 11:27 PM cc
313@hyperreal.org
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Re: Re: (313) Carl Craig Fabric CD
They have a chip on their shoulder - and understandably.
It's that old economic divide that manifested itself during the industrial
revolution. Read North South by Mrs Gaskell - one of the first works to
eally confront it. Alternatively read any Christopher Eccleston interview.
;)
please
Interesting post James.
On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as i understand it: up north they're hard, down south they're a
bunch of
shandy drinkers.
this is what i've picked up from years of watching british tv in a
former
colony. so if i'm wrong blame
the goodies
this divisions were further sharpened by the decline of the industrial
revolution and the closure of the mines post second world war. it
reached
it's nadir during thatcher's years when the miner's union was defeated
after a long long strike and the mass closure of pits and mass
unemployment.
IanMJust curious--was there a notable racial component to this? (regards
miners strike, north/south divide)
Hi Ian.
No, thankfully there was no race issues really in this matter, more a case
of class divide really.
I'd expand further, but a) I'm not particuarly well educated and b) we're
well
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 September 2005 09:05
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig Fabric CD
... we're so far off topic : )
To get it back on topic though... A certain Mancunian DJ went to play house
A certain Mancunian DJ went to play house in London in the 80's and he got
bottled off, that's the real reason for us up North getting the hump
Yeah, well, they always were a bunch of cultural philistines down there. I
mean, you know, they think they like culture, what with their stuffed
olives
don't be forgetting the midlands please, very hard hit under thatcher.. it
wasn't only minors who lost their jobs, we once had a car industry that was
the envy of the world - and probably only matched in scale by detroit..
northeners generally have chips on their shoulders - and southerners
northeners generally have chips on their shoulders - and southerners usually
have big mouths.. midlanders have the best sense of humour and the best
football teams ;)
the only chips I had got eaten with my pie last night, thank you very much.
back you up on the sense of humour issue though,
midlanders have the best sense of humour and the best football teams ;)
yep, midlanders must have a good sense of humour to be coming out with
statements like that
teehee
; )
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With regard North/South divide no real race issues. Mainly class issues
as Alex points out.
Britian did suffer race riots in the early 80s but these were spread
over the UK (Toxteth/Liverpool, Bristol, Brixton/London).
Possible reasons here:
as i understand it: up north they're hard, down south they're a bunch
of shandy drinkers.
Betcha won't say that to my homies from Cardiff. :)
KKS
, Kamal
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig Fabric CD
Kamal, don't get us started on the Welsh! :)
lol
robin...
Stoddard, Kamal wrote:
as i understand it: up north they're hard, down south they're a bunch
of shandy drinkers.
Betcha won't say that to my homies from Cardiff
They have a chip on their shoulder
easy tiger!
no chips here, just pride : )
james b, top post! I'm quite astounded at all the crap english tv you get
over there, ha!!
errr, yeah, anyway, techno ahem
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please explain to me the implications of being from manchester vs southern
england?
are the manchester folks just raw?
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Date: 2005/08/30 Tue PM 10:48:17 EDT
To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: Re: (313) Carl Craig Fabric CD
nerf bats? i
please explain to me the implications of being from manchester vs
southern england?
are the manchester folks just raw?
http://www.techno.de/mixmag/98.02/Gangchester/Gangchester.4.html
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yeah we're the real deal up here
heh heh
('cept i'm a scouser... :) )
robin...
/0 wrote:
please explain to me the implications of being from manchester vs southern
england?
are the manchester folks just raw?
Isn't there a saying:
'It's grim up North'
Guess that says it all:-)
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yeah we're the real deal up here
That comes from this:
http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/K/KLF/Its-Grim-Up-North.html
...but yes it is fairly grim up here. (Everywhere I've lived all my life
is listed in those lyrics haha)
robin...
Blaauw, Martijn de wrote:
Isn't there a saying:
'It's grim up North'
Guess that says it
: (313) Carl Craig Fabric CD
That comes from this:
http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/K/KLF/Its-Grim-Up-North.html
..but yes it is fairly grim up here. (Everywhere I've lived all my life
is listed in those lyrics haha)
robin...
Blaauw, Martijn de wrote:
Isn't there a saying:
'It's grim up
i know one cut thats gonna be on there..
tom
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From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:10:18 +1000
Due in Nov...
http://www.fabriclondon.com/
i know one cut thats gonna be on there..
well, whoopy d.
is it your re-edit of the hokey-cokey?
p.s. disclaimer, you asked for it
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