Hello,
I need your help for a problem I just can't solve myself. I need to test
lots of ABC files on major applications, and I have no problem when it
comes to Linux or Windows ones. I also run BarFly under the BasiliskII
Macintosh emulator (incredible piece of software, BTW).
I can't convince
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:27:39 +0100, Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
AB cd ef | fe dc BA | ! !trill! AB cd ef | fe dc BA |]
complains Decoration not terminated and loses the last 2 bars.
This seems rather counter-intuitive ?
Stopping on blank is done in the abcm2ps
On 22 Jul 2003 18:07:47 -0400, Laura Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When I started using the -c option on abc2ps, I was quite surprised
when some of my 8th notes were beamed, because only a newline
separated them, whereas most of them were not, because I had
deliberately put spaces between
- Original Message -
From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] multivoice linecontinuation
Arent Storm writes:
| Someone else wrote:
| I used to use it and stopped because I always let the software
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
Convert all man pages to html, and use you're
webbrowser to read them.
er, how do I do that?
I forgot to answer this part. Just do:
man topic | man2html outfile
If you dont have it yet, get man2html from:
Hi Guido,
I need your help for a problem I just can't solve myself. I need to test
lots of ABC files on major applications, and I have no problem when it
comes to Linux or Windows ones. I also run BarFly under the BasiliskII
Macintosh emulator (incredible piece of software, BTW).
I can't
We've had the suggestion a few times in the past that there
be a way to give a length for bracketed chords, instead of
repeating the length for each note. Thus [Ace]4 could be
used for [A4c4e4]. In one discussion, we even had the
suggestion of multiplying lengths if they are
[solfa]
I'll try to locate a copy of the John Curwen reference through
Inter-Library Loan. The local library does not have it, but it
should be obtainable, now that I know exactly what to look for.
You are quite likely to find one second-hand someday. I got an
extra copy a year or so ago
Let's see; if I read this correctly, then in the line:
...|!dead!trill!beef|...
the !dead! would be the decoration, and the staff break
would come in the middle of the bar. Right?
Good point, but generally people who are using one system (who
belong to the abc2win sect for ex., or in
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
The classic MacOS does not use file extensions to identify files,
instead there are two four-character fields associated with files,
called the creator and file type signatures. The old version of
BarFly can only open files of type TEXT.
ResEdit can
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
I think it got lost within the discussion about having notes of
differing lengths within chords.
I think that problem is now solved with the
introduction of -style voice overlay.
Groeten,
Irwin Oppenheim
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I searched around through my collection, [...] and I had trouble
finding more that a handful of files with M: or K: inside the
music, either in the clumsy old form or bracketed.
I was guessing so too, especially where most abc-tunes seem
to be rather simple short (as by nature history of
on 7/24/03 5:25 AM, Phil Taylor wrote:
The Carbon version of BarFly (because it has to live in a Unix
environment) can open untyped files provided that they have a .abc
or .txt extension, but you won't be able to run that under
BasiliskII.
But there is hope, even in Unix. You can set file
BTW, instead of
/Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc
I could have typed
/Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo ~/Desktop/McLennan.abc
Because /Users/thomaskeays is my home directory.
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Jack Campin wrote:
The line numbers are an icky hack. There ought to be some way to
integrate that with the P: playing order specification.
That could get quite complicated. However, just putting the line
number before the first word of the line would work OK if the
program was smart enough to
Jack Campin writes:
| We've had the suggestion a few times in the past that there
| be a way to give a length for bracketed chords, instead of
| repeating the length for each note. Thus [Ace]4 could be
| used for [A4c4e4]. In one discussion, we even had the
| suggestion of
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 12:29:34PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
The classic MacOS does not use file extensions to identify files,
instead there are two four-character fields associated with files,
called the creator and file type signatures. The old
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 07:55:50AM +0200, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:27:39 +0100, Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
AB cd ef | fe dc BA | ! !trill! AB cd ef | fe dc BA |]
complains Decoration not terminated and loses the last 2 bars.
This seems
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:51:43AM +0200, Forgeot Eric wrote:
Let's see; if I read this correctly, then in the line:
...|!dead!trill!beef|...
the !dead! would be the decoration, and the staff break
would come in the middle of the bar. Right?
Good point, but generally people who
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 01:53:00AM +, John Chambers wrote:
We've had the suggestion a few times in the past that there
be a way to give a length for bracketed chords, instead of
repeating the length for each note. Thus [Ace]4 could be
used for [A4c4e4]. In one discussion, we
I have a question/suggestion about the new 2.0.0 standard. (Forgive me
if this topic has been covered recently; I'm just back from a European
choral tour, and I couldn't keep up with all the discussion over laptop
dialup.)
As someone primarily interested in typesetting choral music, I was very
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
In which case the 2 different ! constructions will be
mixed together in the same line wherever they have to
be.
This is what the new standard-in-development has to say
about it:
line breaking
To force a line break at all times, a star (*) can be
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Fattaruso wrote:
As someone primarily interested in typesetting choral
music, I was very interested in the voice overlay
capability with the '' syntax that emerged in
abcm2ps some time ago. I did not see any mention of
this capability in the new 2.0.0 standard,
In a message dated 7/24/03 094307, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Thus [Ace]4 could be
used for [A4c4e4].
Heavy ABC User* cries plaintively:
Could we at least get this one in and worry about the chords containing
different note lengths (can't recall when I've run across this) at some
other
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 01:53:00AM +, John Chambers wrote:
We've had the suggestion a few times in the past that there
be a way to give a length for bracketed chords, instead of
repeating the length for each note.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Fattaruso wrote:
As someone primarily interested in typesetting choral
music, I was very interested in the voice overlay
capability with the '' syntax that emerged in
abcm2ps some time ago. I did not
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:00:05PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
In which case the 2 different ! constructions will be
mixed together in the same line wherever they have to
be.
This is what the new standard-in-development has to say
about it:
Richard Robinson wrote:
Now that ! staffbreak is available in abcm2ps, it's a reasonable
assumption that I'll start using it, because it'll do good things to
the legibility of my source, and because I can hope that most people
will have access to programs that'll deal with it. I'm still wary of
A B c d e f g a A A A A A A A A A G F E D C B, A,
So what does that mean?
Please look here:
http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/abc/split.html
Irwin
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
Then I'm confused. I just had a look at
http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/abc2-draft.html
This was the first revision of the draft standard.
We're now working on the second revision of it, soon to
be released.
Groeten,
Irwin Oppenheim
[EMAIL
Bernard Hill wrote:
Voice overlay
The operator may be used to temporarily overlay
several voices within one measure. The operator
separates these voices from each other. Example:
A2 E2 G2 A2|A B c d e f g a A A A A A A A A A G F E
D C B, A,|]
So what does that mean?
abcm2ps is the only
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:51:04PM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote:
Richard Robinson wrote:
Now that ! staffbreak is available in abcm2ps, it's a reasonable
assumption that I'll start using it, because it'll do good things to
the legibility of my source, and because I can hope that most people
Phil Taylor wrote:
(of the operator)
My take on it is that the operator sets the time point
of the music back to the previous bar line, and the notes
which follow it form a temporary voice in parallel with
the preceding one. I suspect that this should only be used
to add one
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
My take on it is that the operator sets the time
point of the music back to the previous bar line, and
the notes which follow it form a temporary voice in
parallel with the preceding one. I suspect that this
should only be used to add one complete
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thus [Ace]4 could be
used for [A4c4e4].
Heavy ABC User* cries plaintively:
Could we at least get this one in and worry about the chords containing
different note lengths (can't recall when I've run across this) at some
other time?
I've
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:35:52AM -0700, John Walsh wrote:
Phil Taylor wrote:
(of the operator)
My take on it is that the operator sets the time point
of the music back to the previous bar line, and the notes
which follow it form a temporary voice in parallel with
the
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
| The operator may be used to temporarily overlay
| several voices within one measure. The operator
| separates these voices from each other. Example:
|
| A2 E2 G2 A2|A B c d e f g a A A A A A A A A A G F E
| D C B, A,|]
|
|
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:04:14PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
| The operator may be used to temporarily overlay
| several voices within one measure. The operator
| separates these voices from each other. Example:
|
| A2
Irwin Oppenheim wrote -
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Must? What are you going to do if they don't?
Please read carefully what I wrote. Then you will
understand, that:
1/ Users are not required to manually add any of these
new fields to their ABC files at all.
2/ Programs
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 06:48:53PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
The chord forms a syntactic grouping, to which the same
prefixes and postfixes can be attached as to an
ordinary note, except for accidentals. In particular,
the following notation is legal:
( ^I.[CEG]- [CEG] ^IV
I. Oppenheim writes:
| On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Thus [Ace]4 could be
| used for [A4c4e4].
|
| Heavy ABC User* cries plaintively:
| Could we at least get this one in and worry about the chords containing
| different note lengths (can't recall when I've run
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you read carefully what I wrote, you will
understand that the point I was trying to get over
was that the principle of a standard is to unify abc
regardless of its origin. I don't want to have to
use a different set of parsing rules depending
Richard Robinson writes:
| On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:35:52AM -0700, John Walsh wrote:
| ... It's an absolute nightmare!
|
| This pretty well matches my experience. I concluded that if I
| were to use this any more, I'd need a pre-processor of some sort... So if
| we want to preserve
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
| Like you, I don't have very strong opinions here, it's not a thing
| I've found a huge need for. But uses like [A4ce]2 would seem to be
| fairly clear to
Bernard Hill wrote:
But what does it MEAN in notation terms? You are not allowed to have
different length notes on the same stem in standard notation,
...
Well, allowed may not be the right word here. The question is if it's
possible in standard notation. You do occasionally see dotted and
Do you use HFVExplorer ?
I think it can convert automatically files between mac and pc. I
had no problem for opening my abc files with BarFly then
http://www.nic.fi/~lpesonen/HFVExplorer/
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Irwin Oppenheim wrote -
line breaking
To force a line break at all times, a star (*) can be
used. The star can be inserted everywhere, where a note
group could.
Deprecated line breaking
The abc2win program used a `!' character to force line
breaks, as is currently supported with the *
John Chambers wrote:
One thought: At least with keyboard music, what you have is
a transient voice that isn't a true voice, but just
appears for a brief time and then fades away. Maybe we
could use a single voice, and flag the transient voice with
something like a '+' to mean Add this
Richard Robinson wrote:
It occurs to me that part of the problem here is that the '' just
doesn't stand out visually against the notes.
Well, it seems to me that the *main* problem is simlpy that the 2.0
draft doesn't explain it clearly enough (I can assure you all that
Bernard wasn't the only
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that !...! conflicts
with the abc2win usage and is far less widely used.
Both !...! and ! are established notation, and
therefore the standard encourages parsers to handle
both, and even provides an algorithm to do
I said it could be adviced to use it with care.
If someone is using this kind of notation
...|!dead!trill!beef|... then one has made a mistake because it
could be misunderstood. It's also the reason why I think in the
2.0 standard * should be used for forced line break instead.
And why a
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Frank Nordberg wrote:
Well, it seems to me that the *main* problem is simlpy that the 2.0
draft doesn't explain it clearly enough (I can assure you all that
Bernard wasn't the only one confused about it!).
I'll add a picture when I'll have some time.
Groeten,
Irwin
Nobody is opposing the [abc]2 idea are they? Can we take that as agreed and get onto the far more important business of different note lengths in one chord?
Irwin Oppenheim wrote -
All the notes within a chord should have the same
length. More complicated chords can be transcribed with
the
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Fattaruso wrote:
OK, but what I was trying to get a reaction to initially was allowing
whatever syntax triggers overlays of notes to similarly trigger an overlay
in the corresponding lyrics in the w: line.
There are 2 kludges you can use. Use multiple w: lines;
or
The operator may be used to temporarily overlay
several voices within one measure. The operator
I can understand this when it comes to (temporary) voices, with
several melodies. But sometimes it concerns only chords, for ex. a
chord with two wholes and one with a half, it seems less logic to
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Forgeot Eric wrote:
would A B c d e f g a x6 A2 allowed then ?
This is notated correctly.
so my question is will the notation with for ex. A
B c d e f [A2g] a still be possible, in addition to
the possibility (this [A2g] was implemented in
abcm2ps
Wow! Go away for two hours and I'm 20 emails behind and the
subject I was thinking about has changed. (Probably a good thing, keeps me
from sending some better-not-sent posts.) Are all of you folks sitting
anxiously by your computers with your email opened???
But could I ask
John Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I concluded that if I
were to use this any more, I'd need a pre-processor of some sort... So if
we want to preserve human-readability and use the in any complicated
way, it might be worthwhile discussing alternatives.
My little project is ABCifying the
We currently have this notation for voice overlay (although this is first
I'd ever heard of it).
A2 E2 G2 A2|A B c d e f g a A A A A A A A A A G F E D C B, A,|]
John Chambers explained was functionally equivalent to doing this.
[V:1] A2 E2 G2 A2 | A B c d e f g a |]
[V:2] | A A A
But uses like [A4ce]2 would seem to be fairly clear to understand,
convenient to type, and consistent with the rest of the language;
it's a thing I'd try if I needed to express such a thing.
Mixed lengths in the same chord are *not* clear to understand if you
are trying to implement a player
This is what the new standard-in-development has to say about it:
line breaking
To force a line break at all times, a star (*) can be used.
Who wrote that, why and after what discussion? (That is not
what the abc2mtex * means).
For me it would be a pain in the arse.
If you want to use * for
Let's see; if I read this correctly, then in the line:
...|!dead!trill!beef|...
the !dead! would be the decoration, and the staff break
would come in the middle of the bar. Right?
Good point, but generally people who are using one system (who
belong to the abc2win sect for ex., or
Voice overlay
The operator may be used to temporarily overlay several voices
within one measure. The operator separates these voices from
each other.
My take on it is that the operator sets the time point
of the music back to the previous bar line, and the notes
which follow it form a
I won't say there's no reason to read abc notation at all, but I can
say that I know a substantial community of traditional musicians in
New Hampshire who use abc, and all use it to display musical notation,
to listen to the tune in question and to exchange tunes; none use it
to read
John Walsh writes:
| On the subject of bangs and stars for linebreaks and
| decorations...I haven't been following it closely, and now I admit to
| being a bit puzzled as to the status of what's being decided. It
| seems to me that using ! for both a hard linebreak and for ! ... ! in the
|
[attempting to housetrain a Unix system]
So I type
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
echo $PATH
and it says
/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:
No good.
Try
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
export PATH
You might also want to change your shell to
Anselm Lingnau writes:
|
| My little project is ABCifying the tunes from the RSCDS dance books.
| Some of the tunes have a second voice every so often (say, in four
| bars out of twenty-four), and the »« feature saves me a lot of typing
| in [V:2] bits that are mostly empty.
Hey, glad to see
Tom Keays writes:
|
| OK. I liked John's idea of transient voices as he expressed them: [V:1+].
| While using separate lines for each transient voice certainly improves
| readability, it is much harder to write. I really like the compactness of
| the original.
|
| So, how about combining the two
Oooh. I like Jack's suggestion. Mainly because nothing would have to be
changed. If it ain't broke and all that...
However, I don't think it has to be as complicated as Jack has it.
A2 E2 G2 A2 [[ A B c d e f g a \
A A A A A A A A \
A G F E D C B, A, ]
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
A2 E2 G2 A2 [[ A B c d e f g a \
A A A A A A A A \
A G F E D C B, A, ] D2 E2 A2 ...
For meter free music one could use _invissible_ bars,
like this:
A2 E2 G2 A2 [|] A B c d e f g a \
A A
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
Try
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
export PATH
No Jack, that's bourne shell syntax!!!
A day ago I gave the correct solution for tcsh in a
separate posting.
You might also want to change your shell to something less
squirmily
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
paralleling the not-anchored-to- a-barline repeat
syntax
You mean something like | [1 A B [|] [2 C D | ?
Groeten,
Irwin Oppenheim
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Thank you all for your input!
This is what I'll put in the revision of the standard:
Voice overlay
The operator may be used to temporarily overlay
several voices within one measure. The operator sets
the time point of the music back to the previous bar
line, and the notes which follow it form
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote:
[V:1] | A2 E2 G2 A2 | A B c d e f g a | g2 f2 e2 a2 |]
[V:1+]| | A A A A A A A A |
[V:1+]| | A G F E D C B, A,|
While it is a nice idea, it is impossible to implement.
The reason is that the ABC standard allows a voice to
be
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Fattaruso wrote:
As someone primarily interested in typesetting choral music, I was very
interested in the voice overlay capability with the '' syntax that
emerged in abcm2ps some time ago. Many times in choral music we will
have a vocal line splitting into two or
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