Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread 95bcwh
jmourik;179374 Wrote: > Which is exactly what I said, that's how we did the A/B comparison. TP > analog out into pre input 1, TP digital into dac60 into pre input 2. > Easy to switch back and forth. Not easy to hear a difference, well, > impossible for me :-) > jan > Perhaps I didn't emphasize

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread jmourik
95bcwh;179372 Wrote: > If you said "TP digital out + DAC60" is equal to "TP Analog out", then > the different is very significant..Which is exactly what I said, that's how > we did the A/B comparison. TP analog out into pre input 1, TP digital into dac60 into pre input 2. Easy to switch back and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread 95bcwh
jmourik;179343 Wrote: > I wish we had compared this, I wanted to try it by hooking both up and > synchronizing them, but we didn't have enough time to do that. So now I > still have two questions: > - how much difference does the TP make vs SB3 as a transport only > - how much difference is there

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread Ron Olsen
Michael Amster;179339 Wrote: > FYI: > http://cgi.ebay.com/50-Spool-of-12-AWG-Magnet-Wire-Turning-Winding_W0QQitemZ160077285738QQcmdZViewItem > Yes. 12-gauge wire is cheap and probably as good as the mega-buck cables. I suggest reading Roger Russell's article: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread jmourik
95bcwh;179293 Wrote: > I have listened to the stock SB3 feeding the Lite-DAC60 compared with > the transporter analog out. In that instance, the transporter is of > course warmer, smoother, and goes deeper. I wish we had compared this, I wanted to try it by hooking both up and synchronizing them,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What kind of Audiophile are you?

2007-02-09 Thread sc53
I'm the kind of audiophile who used to make mix tapes! I still have hundreds of them. I also used to obsessively browse record stores--real stores with real records, new or used, I didn't mind getting my hands dusty. Check out this great reminiscence someone sent me today: http://music.guardian.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread Michael Amster
FYI: http://cgi.ebay.com/50-Spool-of-12-AWG-Magnet-Wire-Turning-Winding_W0QQitemZ160077285738QQcmdZViewItem Skunk wrote: >325xi;178950 Wrote: > > >>Again those anti-cables... Regardless of how they sound, why would >>people pay so much for a plain magnet cable? Google for info before you >>bu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread mrfantasy
P Floding;179053 Wrote: > The older Dire Straits albums sound surprisingly good on a very good > system Large, deep sound stage (real or not) and good dynamics (some > kick and crack in those drums). > > I agree that there must be many much better recordings to use. I just > suggested something

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread Ben Diss
opaqueice;179095 Wrote: > No offense, but have you tried that blind? It's very easy - just > download foobar2000 and the ABXY plugin. Subjective impressions of > these things are simply not reliable - try it and you'll see for > yourself. > > Anyway, it may be possible to distinguish on a good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread SatoriGFX
opaqueice;179228 Wrote: > It seems to be a common misconception in these discussions that the > effects of psychology on preference, or hearing a difference versus > not, are predictable based on what you think your expectations are. In > other words people seem to think that when they buy somet

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread Ben Diss
opaqueice;179234 Wrote: > I was actually asking Jan, since he has admitted he couldn't hear a > difference between two very very different DACs (the Lite DAC 60 has a > tubed output). That's consistent with listening tests, for example > those showing people can't distinguish between tube amps a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help needed: convert 24 bit WMA Lossless into WAV

2007-02-09 Thread MrStan
Veggen;179174 Wrote: > Strange, these files both play and sound great on my SB3. > Sure you have your file types set up correctly? They play on my Squeezebox 3 at half speed although I am not on the latest firmware. I have resampled them to 24/48 and they play OK. -- MrStan -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179066 Wrote: > Had you bothered to read the thread before posting in it, you'd know the > answer is yes. > > I'm very skeptical about this claim that some people have extraordinary > hearing abilities, either through nature or nurture. Why don't you guys > with the superhearing try s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] shonen beach

2007-02-09 Thread ob_kook
I've spent so many weekends surfing Shonan beach I can't tell you (wave surfing with a surf board, not internet). Great little spot about an hour away from Tokyo. Sorry that this doesn't answer your question, but I was pretty excited to see that radio station and the post. Kook -- ob_kook SB2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help needed: convert 24 bit WMA Lossless into WAV

2007-02-09 Thread ted_b
Veggen;179174 Wrote: > Strange, these files both play and sound great on my SB3. > Sure you have your file types set up correctly? I even converted one to 24/96 WAV (PCM) via foobar conversion and then loaded it (with a new name of course) in my Slimserver library. It plays the same static!! A

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread 95bcwh
By the way, the Bolder SB2, and Modified Transporter are from me. I brought them to the meeting. And of course I have listened to all of them in my system. Jan is talking about transporter feeding the Lite-DAC60 having the same sound as the transporter analog out. I have never listened to this se

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread 95bcwh
By the way, the Bolder SB2, and Modified Transporter are from me. I brought them to the meeting. And of course I have listened to all of them in my system. Jan is talking about transporter feeding the Lite-DAC60 having the same sound as the transporter analog out. I have never listened to this se

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread 325xi
Skunk;179264 Wrote: > I was asking if anti-cables are indeed the same as "standard > alternator/magnet wire sold in stores", which is why I listed some of > the specs from the anti-cable site. That's what many say. If I was interested to buy them now I'd go to the store and check, but at this mo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread jmourik
opaqueice;179234 Wrote: > I was actually asking Jan, since he has admitted he couldn't hear a > difference between two very very different DACs (the Lite DAC 60 has a > tubed output). I did hear a difference between an Arcam CD23 FMJ and the Transporter, if that counts :-) But only in direct A/B

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
325xi;179214 Wrote: > Am I missing anything? I was asking if anti-cables are indeed the same as "standard alternator/magnet wire sold in stores", which is why I listed some of the specs from the anti-cable site. -- Skunk ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
P Floding;179239 Wrote: > Oh, sorry! > I didn't get it.. ;-) > > BTW, are you, possibly, one of the ABX advocates mentioned over at > stevehoffman? No - never looked at it. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
jmourik;179141 Wrote: > No, unfortunately we didn't have a stock TP. > > > So where do you buy tubes? Are they easy to replace? > > jan I've had bad/mixed luck with Ebay. Believe it or not, people will actually try to take advantage of audiophiles. The best luck I've had is at my local elect

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179235 Wrote: > It takes a lot more than that to offend me - my post above was supposed > to be funny :-). Oh, sorry! I didn't get it.. ;-) BTW, are you, possibly, one of the ABX advocates mentioned over at stevehoffman? -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
I was actually asking Jan, since he has admitted he couldn't hear a difference between two very very different DACs (the Lite DAC 60 has a tubed output). That's consistent with listening tests, for example those showing people can't distinguish between tube amps and solid state or $10,000 CD play

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179232 Wrote: > I'm not sure I follow all this, but I wasn't offended by Phil's > question, so no apology is necessary for my part. > > I do share the sense that every time there's a negative result people > grasp wildly for reasons, but that's just human nature - and in the > case o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
I'm not sure I follow all this, but I wasn't offended by Phil's question, so no apology is necessary for my part. I do share the sense that every time there's a negative result people grasp wildly for reasons, but that's just human nature - and in the case of Phil's post (which unlike another d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
Skunk;179213 Wrote: > Alternatively, you could just go to the mall and shoplift the album like > all the other juvenile delinquents (and troubled celebrities). Those guys at Piratebay makes me ashamed to be Swedish. Thieving bastards held up as ideal by the equally dumb socialist-destroyed so-ca

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
SatoriGFX;179203 Wrote: > > I know all about the placebo effect and DBT etc... I have had many > experiences where I should have heard a positive difference (placebo > effect according to naysayers) but did not. I have bought newer, more > expensive products in an attempt to improve the sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread 325xi
Skunk;179198 Wrote: > Out of curiosity is most magnet wire continuous cast and OFC? > > I went with Blue Jeans Cables, after braiding my ChrisVH recipes a foot > too short, so I'd have enough length to experiment with speaker > placement. Also, I tend to believe Roger Russell, but still don't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
mikeruss;178629 Wrote: > This is not a pay site (if you download you would have to buy the CD!! > ;-)) http://thepiratebay.org then search for band or album *.flac for > exanple for U2 you would search for U2*.flac Alternatively, you could just go to the mall and shoplift the album like all the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread PhilNYC
totoro;179208 Wrote: > I was actually thinking of _my own_ incivility in that last post, not > yours! :) Bullshit. ;-) -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
I was actually thinking of _my own_ incivility in that last post, not yours! :) -- totoro squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 Vie

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread PhilNYC
totoro;179204 Wrote: > So it's just a coincidence that this line of "argument" gets brought up > so commonly when tests don't show a difference? It wasn't an argument. It was a question. Just like people ask "was it a double-blind test?" when someone reports hearing a difference. > Do you th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread SatoriGFX
opaqueice;179095 Wrote: > No offense, but have you tried that blind? It's very easy - just > download foobar2000 and the ABXY plugin. Subjective impressions of > these things are simply not reliable - try it and you'll see for > yourself. > > Anyway, it may be possible to distinguish on a good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
So it's just a coincidence that this line of "argument" gets brought up so commonly when tests don't show a difference? Do you think opaqueice would have bothered if he thought his gf had poor perceptual abilities? That seems to be the implication of what you're saying. As to the incivility: ye

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread PhilNYC
totoro;179092 Wrote: > > But seriously, the "if you did a (somewhat) controlled experiment and > your paticipant(s) didn't hear the results of (lambda x. tweak x), then > they must have cloth ears" is so tired as to be a cliche. Occam seemed > to make a point of _not_ resorting to that. I was me

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread PhilNYC
totoro;179007 Wrote: > Occam's was civil and respectful. Your (and philnyc's) response seems > childish in comparison. Are you referring to my question about whether the listener listened to a lot of music? If so, why is that childish? I was trying to learn more about the test subject, and m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
325xi;178950 Wrote: > Again those anti-cables... Regardless of how they sound, why would > people pay so much for a plain magnet cable? Google for info before you > buy 'em. Out of curiosity is most magnet wire continuous cast and OFC? I went with Blue Jeans Cables, after braiding my ChrisVH

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread PhilNYC
opaqueice;178993 Wrote: > But if you guys are going to claim that there are some people that have > some sort of magic "golden ear" ability to hear the effects of a linear > supply or ebony hockey pucks, while the rest of us mere mortals can't do > it, I'm going to have to call BS. Go try a blin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
mikeruss;178629 Wrote: > This is not a pay site (if you download you would have to buy the CD!! > ;-)) http://thepiratebay.org then search for band or album *.flac for > exanple for U2 you would search for U2*.flac Couple of real idiots running that site. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. An

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
totoro;179190 Wrote: > Then why did you bring up hearing ability at all? I don't think I did. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
P Floding;179185 Wrote: > Did I do that? > I don't remember doing that. > > I haven't said anything negative about the result, as it has nothing to > do with my results. Perhaps you are reading in things? > > I'd say that anyone who can't hear any difference when modifying their > system should

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
P Floding;179182 Wrote: > I got a bit of a cold at the moment, so I don't think I hear as well as > I normally do. But according to you this is impossible? I imagine deaf > people will be delighted to find out they actually hear just as well as > anyone else. Sure, it's possible. But it's also p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
totoro;179184 Wrote: > Sure, it's possible. But it's also possible that there was no difference > to be heard. > > Immediately attacking the hearing abilities of someone whose results > are different than yours (and who bothered to conduct a test in good > faith) is simply a lame response. Did

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread Ben Diss
opaqueice;179162 Wrote: > Just out of curiousity, have you ever compared two DACs with the same > source and heard a difference? > > I have, but only when one was distorting due to an impedence mismatch. > When both DACs are reasonably well designed and functioning properly, > volume matched,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
totoro;179178 Wrote: > Got me on the humor, clearly. Need to work on that. > > As to the "bullshit" point, see my last post. The "cloth ears" > "argument" _truly_ qualifies as bullshit, whether you like it or not. > > As to my "repeated cant of bullshit": I've used the term twice in my > histo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread jhm731
opaqueice;179066 Wrote: > Had you bothered to read the thread before posting in it, you'd know the > answer is yes. > Sorry, I missed j.wales'd comments on the Globe Tek linear supply: "The difference, again in my opinion and my wife's is the enhancements to the soundstage, placement of inst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179157 Wrote: > Try it blind. It will take you less time than writing that post did. > And I'm not saying you won't be able to hear a difference - you might - > but it's amazing how afraid people seem to be that they might not. It's > not as if someone's going to come and take away y

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
GaryB;179113 Wrote: > Dear Michael aka Tortoro, > > First of all, may I suggest you work on your sense of humor. A quick > google search came up with the following quote from Donald Rumsfeld of > all people: “Keep your sense of humor. As General Joe Stillwell said, > "The higher a monkey climbs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
occam;179158 Wrote: > Gary - I'd like to thank you for that capstone to a truly wonderful > day.(my son just recieved fully funded admission to both the Berkley > and Chicago grad schools in math) Your post had me laughing so hard I > actually fell off my chair. > > Phil - Give me a call and we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help needed: convert 24 bit WMA Lossless into WAV

2007-02-09 Thread Veggen
ted_b;177643 Wrote: > I still can't get the 24/96 hideftapetransfer.com flac demo files > (Daphnis, Berlioz, Soldat) to play on my SB3. They are showing s 96k > on foobar, but just play as static on the SB3 (and cause me to reboot > the SB3 or all else is static before I do that). I assumed it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-09 Thread adamslim
325xi;178950 Wrote: > Again those anti-cables... Regardless of how they sound, why would > people pay so much for a plain magnet cable? Google for info before you > buy 'em. I imagine they make less profit than Transparent, Audioquest, Nordost, Monster... They sell a terminated, packaged produc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
occam;179158 Wrote: > Gary - I'd like to thank you for that capstone to a truly wonderful > day.(my son just recieved fully funded admission to both the Berkley > and Chicago grad schools in math) Your post had me laughing so hard I > actually fell off my chair. > Congrats to him - what kind of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-09 Thread Codmate
I rip with AudioGrabber at 8x and then encode to FLAC with Flac Frontend. http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/ http://members.home.nl/w.speek/flac.htm I then add genre tags and fix any tag problems with MP3Tag. http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ Works well for me. -- Codmate

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
jmourik;179108 Wrote: > Yesterday I had the chance to compare the Lite Dac-60, slightly modded > by the owner, to a modded Transporter (no idea what the mods are). To > my surprise I couldn't hear a difference between them! We were > switching back and forth, the dac fed by the digital out of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on replacements for B&W 610i speakers.

2007-02-09 Thread adamslim
chobbney;179049 Wrote: > I think I'll go for the audition route and buy them elsewhere. You should treat dealers with a little more respect, I think. Try being up-front with them - say that your budget is tight, and ask them to help. Most would understand, be happy to give you a quick demo and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread occam
GaryB;179017 Wrote: > All of my dearly held world assumptions are crumbling. > > Totoro is lecturing people on civility??? > > Occam is being held up as a model of temperate response and Philnyc is > now the impolite one? > > Next thing you'll tell me is that the Pope isn't Polish. > > --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
P Floding;179126 Wrote: > It's pointless to compare one lossless bitrate to another as they might > just be equally bad. (Or, at least, if you can't hear a difference > between them, it proves nothing about higher bitrates or lossless.) I > had no problem at all hearing a difference between 224kb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
hirsch;179123 Wrote: > > If you hear a difference, and can go back and measure a difference in > the stimuli, why bother with DBT? It's not a necessary control at that > point. You've got a measurable difference, and you can hear it. Done. That's just obviously false. The fact that there is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-09 Thread jeffmeh
hirsch;179123 Wrote: > You have a difference. You don't know if the difference is due to > physical or psychological influences. DBT can help rule out > psychological influence. You've run DBT. Congratulations! Your > difference is likely not due to psychological influence. > Correct. hirs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread jmourik
tomjtx;179127 Wrote: > Do you have a chance to compare the modded TP to a stock TP? No, unfortunately we didn't have a stock TP. crooner;179129 Wrote: > Yesterday I got a couple of NOS Amperex JAN 7308 white label tubes (1966 > vintage) and tried them on the DAC. So where do you buy tubes? Are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread Craig
Skunk;179109 Wrote: > What did you use to join the two files? > I use Steinberg Wavelab 6 for all my audio editing. Craig -- Craig MC2Slim - Windows Shell and J River Media Center Integration for Squeezebox. http://www.duff-zapp.co.uk --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread crooner
Nice to know the DAC60 holds up pretty well against the Transporter's internal DAC. I suspected this myself since the Lite Audio is an impressive piece of equipment. I still use mine with a SB3, but the DAC60 is so good I have no desire to upgrade to the TP. Specially since I will be wasting mone

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread tomjtx
jmourik;179108 Wrote: > Yesterday I had the chance to compare the Lite Dac-60, slightly modded > by the owner, to a modded Transporter (no idea what the mods are). To > my surprise I couldn't hear a difference between them! We were > switching back and forth, the dac fed by the digital out of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179085 Wrote: > I haven't experimented that much because I don't see any good reason not > to use lossless files for the SB. I did play with 192 VBR when I was > deciding which format to use with my ipod and found it hard to > distinguish from FLAC (so that's what I decided to use). M

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-09 Thread hirsch
opaqueice;177833 Wrote: > But blind testing is actually a lot more useful than a voltmeter, > because it tells us what we really want to know - whether we can hear a > difference. In your rather perfect example, blind testing would be a > very natural thing to discuss - one would want to ask, is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
jmourik;179116 Wrote: > Should be a fair comparison of the DAC part, or not? > In all honesty it should have been an advantage to the Transporter, since it's DAC is internal, and the LiTe has to go through S-PDIF. Someone here looking to get a LiTe probably has an Sb3 already though, so it se

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread jmourik
Skunk;179112 Wrote: > I.e. you can't use the Transporter to show how something is it's equal > :-) Should be a fair comparison of the DAC part, or not? We did listen to the sb3 + dac60, but no direct comparison. I thought through the sb3 it sounded a bit more edgy, but then again, when we first s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread GaryB
totoro;179092 Wrote: > To pull an occam, I think some people need to read the Harry Frankfurter > book "On Bullshit". > > He makes the distinction that bullshit has no relation to the truth, > whereas lies at least contradict it. We're pretty clearly in bullshit > territory here, IMHO. Dear Mic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
jmourik;179108 Wrote: > Yesterday I had the chance to compare the Lite Dac-60, slightly modded > by the owner, to a modded Transporter (no idea what the mods are). To > my surprise I couldn't hear a difference between them! We were > switching back and forth, the dac fed by the digital out of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread Skunk
Craig;178940 Wrote: > > I've taken a wav of Sky Blue by Peter Gabriel, made a copy and > converted the copy to a 128k mp3. Then I've compiled the two versions > back into a complete song. > What did you use to join the two files? For some reason Audacity has been rebooting my PC when I open a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-09 Thread jmourik
Yesterday I had the chance to compare the Lite Dac-60, slightly modded by the owner, to a modded Transporter (no idea what the mods are). To my surprise I couldn't hear a difference between them! We were switching back and forth, the dac fed by the digital out of the Transporter, and it sounded th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XLR to RCA adapter

2007-02-09 Thread Pat Farrell
thingfish wrote: > I am going to test a Lavry DA10 but my amp does not have XLR inputs, > only RCA. Any problems using a converter ( if there is such a thing ? > ) or will it not affect the sound in any way ? Go to any large guitar/music store. Guitar Center is one example. They will have XLR to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread tommypeters
It's *no* problem at all to hear the difference on a good system - all high frequencies are gone in a 128kbit MP3. That's if you can hear high frequencies... On a computer with standard computer speakers you have to listen for artifacts introduced by the encoding, but that's as already mentioned

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
No offense, but have you tried that blind? It's very easy - just download foobar2000 and the ABXY plugin. Subjective impressions of these things are simply not reliable - try it and you'll see for yourself. Anyway, it may be possible to distinguish on a good system - I conducted my tests using

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XLR to RCA adapter

2007-02-09 Thread Speed
or make one XLR pins 1&3(linked) too Outer of RCA (-) XLR pin 2 too Inner of RCA (+) -- Speed Speed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread totoro
GaryB;179017 Wrote: > All of my dearly held world assumptions are crumbling. > > > Totoro is lecturing people on civility??? > > Occam is being held up as a model of temperate response and Philnyc is > now the impolite one? > > Next thing you'll tell me is that the Pope isn't Polish. > >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread SatoriGFX
opaqueice;179085 Wrote: > but I'd be surprised if anyone can tell, say, 256 or 320 kbs MP3 from > lossless, on a normal musical selection. I have no idea what you consider a "normal musical selection" but I have compared high bitrate mp3's to FLAC and WAV and the difference is obvious. Sure, fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
P Floding;179077 Wrote: > So you can distinguish 128 kbps mp3 from 16/44? > Where is the bitrate limit when it sounds perfect? Does it start to > sound perfect, or does it happen suddenly at a certain bitrate? Is > there a sliding scale, or is it the same for everyone, you reckon? I haven't expe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179076 Wrote: > What, exactly, is the "problem" with this approach? The OP just asked > if we can tell the difference between 128 kbs MP3 and FLAC. If you > can't, you can't, but there's no "problem". Obviously high bitrate MP3 > sounds good; sufficiently high bitrates are indistingu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
P Floding;179073 Wrote: > There is a little problem with this whole approach. > > mp3 CAN sound good, and we tend to accept what we are served up -for a > while. To actually identify the different coding formats one would have > to learn to listen for specific things. > > I found mp3, AAC and D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179074 Wrote: > Hmmm... so golden ears are good for hearing linear versus switching > power supplies, but not for detecting distortion? That's odd. I guess > people with golden ears don't care much about fidelity in music > reproduction, then. > > By the way, there's lots of research

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
Hmmm... so golden ears are good for hearing linear versus switching power supplies, but not for detecting distortion? That's odd. I guess people with golden ears don't care much about fidelity in music reproduction, then. By the way, there's lots of research on how much better people get at det

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179071 Wrote: > There's a better way to do this sort of test, although I don't know a > way to use the SB rather than a sound card - download the ABXY plugin > for foobar. Then just convert a FLAC to mp3 and AB the two. The > plugin runs a nice blind test; you can see immediatly what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;179066 Wrote: > Had you bothered to read the thread before posting in it, you'd know the > answer is yes. > > I'm very skeptical about this claim that some people have extraordinary > hearing abilities, either through nature or nurture. Why don't you guys > with the superhearing try s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
There's a better way to do this sort of test, although I don't know a way to use the SB rather than a sound card - download the ABXY plugin for foobar. Then just convert a FLAC to mp3 and AB the two. The plugin runs a nice blind test; you can see immediatly what you can hear and what you can't.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
cliveb;179063 Wrote: > On Every Street (1991) is much later than Love Over Gold (1982). > > As it happens, Love Over Gold was recorded on 2" analogue tape at 30ips > without Dolby, so it ought to be ideal audiophile fodder. OK. Didn't realize. I do remember that the Love Over Gold CD was the fi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread opaqueice
jhm731;179005 Wrote: > > Has anyone else tried this PSU and gotten different results? Had you bothered to read the thread before posting in it, you'd know the answer is yes. I'm very skeptical about this claim that some people have extraordinary hearing abilities, either through nature or nurt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread cliveb
P Floding;179052 Wrote: > I think the older records, such as On Every Street sound much better. > Love Over Gold sounds very "hifi" IMHO. I did prefer Love Over Gold > though on my earlier systems. It's impressive for demoing. On Every Street (1991) is much later than Love Over Gold (1982). As i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XLR to RCA adapter

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
thingfish;179059 Wrote: > I am going to test a Lavry DA10 but my amp does not have XLR inputs, > only RCA. Any problems using a converter ( if there is such a thing ? > ) or will it not affect the sound in any way ? > > Cheers No problem. Instead of a converter you can use a cable that has an

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XLR to RCA adapter

2007-02-09 Thread thingfish
I am going to test a Lavry DA10 but my amp does not have XLR inputs, only RCA. Any problems using a converter ( if there is such a thing ? ) or will it not affect the sound in any way ? Cheers -- thingfish thingfish's Pr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
totoro;179007 Wrote: > Occam-- > > I apologize for the tone of my response. It was intemperate, at best. > > However, my basic point, IMHO, is valid. Regardless of _whose_ argument > you were dismissing, you were doing so by implicitly claiming that it > was an instance of a known logical fall

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
Pat Farrell;179027 Wrote: > agentsmith wrote: > > > Also, a "clean" track like Dire Straits "Love Over Gold" would be > very > > nice > > I'm not a great fan of using Dire Straits for critical comparison. The > > tunes are good, and the recording is excellent, but their music has a > lot of d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread P Floding
agentsmith;179051 Wrote: > Agreed in gerneral, but Love Over Gold is sort of an exception. It is > quite acoustic and used to be commonly used as a demo disc. Agreed > with classical piano. MP3 usually makes solo piano sounds grossly > distorted with sibilance. Glenn Gould's 1982 Goldberg Var

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread agentsmith
Pat Farrell;179027 Wrote: > agentsmith wrote: > > > Also, a "clean" track like Dire Straits "Love Over Gold" would be > very > > nice > > I'm not a great fan of using Dire Straits for critical comparison. The > > tunes are good, and the recording is excellent, but their music has a > lot of d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can you tell the difference between mp3 and wav?

2007-02-09 Thread cliveb
Craig;178940 Wrote: > Can you tell where it changes from mp3 to uncompressed and back? I'll play: starts as MP3 changes to FLAC at 0:25 changes to MP3 at 0:45 changes to FLAC at 1:14 changes to MP3 at 2:27 changes to FLAC at 4:00 changes to MP3 at 4:54 changes to FLAC at 5:59 -- cliveb Perfo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on replacements for B&W 610i speakers.

2007-02-09 Thread chobbney
I think I'll go for the audition route and buy them elsewhere. The 700s are way out of my budget - which is about £400. I may take my current speakers along so I can get an idea of their sound in the demo room, then listen to a range. I'm going to go for floorstanders, even though I have good sta