"If you benefit from the union, i.e., wage and working
conditions negotiations for instance, reasonable health insurance,
or pension/401K provisions) why not pay for what you get instead of being
a freeloader. You takers are just so annoying."
For some reason, I bet progressive statist don't bel
"Will you get past this already?"
Not going to happen. Desperately seeking confirmation.
J
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it
can bribe the public with the public's money. - Alexis de Tocqueville
~
Except, this paper is summary of a series of debunked papers using
fMRI. Featuring the Colin Firth paper. Will you get past this already?
.
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> exactly thise results are major. It links a fairly big abstract
> concept to a specific set of s
exactly thise results are major. It links a fairly big abstract
concept to a specific set of structures in the brain. That is
important.
As for replicability, there are a fair amount of non physical
differences that are related to the ANG differences, mostly tolerance
for ambiguity (positively re
"Devastating. Crushing. Irony."
It's reality.
The leftist true believers pretend that only the right is corrupt and that
the left is blemish-less. Ditto for the right.
I think both sides are full of shit and as corrupt as can be. I generally
only point out the shortcomings of the left since t
"I'm guessing you're going to feel silly when you watch the video."
Why? It's like water on a duck's back. Proven wrong repeatedly in the
past hasn't made them feel silly. Sending directed messages to people who
do not get their messages and will not respond to said messages does make
them fe
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> You still don't get it.
I find the science interesting. Unfortunately I tend to not read most of
your posts at all simply because you're constantly so forcefully offensive
about your viewpoints. Honestly, till GMoney said something about
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http://www.threeravensconsulting.com
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From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:42 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
I'm guessing you're going to feel
Yowzers.great post.
I find this science fascinating. If it's truly repeatable and the results
become accepted, then this is truly interesting and useful stuff.and so
what if some people don't like the results. I'm not interested in placating
liberals and conservatives, but if we had some
You still don't get it.
I find it fascinating that such a simple difference has such low level
causality. You can make the same approximate profiles for liberals and
conservatives without the reference to the neurophysiology and still
come up with the same conclusions based on non physical measur
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I suspect it would be very difficult, given our cognitive filters.
> Those on one extreme would not see the pejoratives as negative, "Hey
> that's what they are, can't you see how obvious it is?" - for
> instance.
Speak for yourself Larry
Has it been a month already?
.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
> One new study
> (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0026456)
> presents a very good examination of the cognitive/attentional
> differences among conservatives and liberals
I'm guessing you're going to feel silly when you watch the video.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/union-protesters-at-michigan-capitol-tear-down-slash-apart-conservative-groups-tent/article/2515641
.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> As usual, Jerry picks up whatever soun
I suspect it would be very difficult, given our cognitive filters.
Those on one extreme would not see the pejoratives as negative, "Hey
that's what they are, can't you see how obvious it is?" - for
instance.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, Cam, what do
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> The discussion section in the article is very interesting and how they
> interpret the results:
I know you hate conservatives Larry, you don't have anything more to prove
there.
-Cameron
...
~~~
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I was making a comment on Judah's comment. I was merely being
> skeptical that it would happen, after all past behavior is the best
> predictor of present and future behavior.
My comments are actually largely based on observations of your
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Out of curiosity, Cam, what do you think is the best way for each person to
> personally combat that tendency? I start by trying to make sure I avoid
> name calling in the form of things like "rethuglican" or "nobama" and then
> really try
The discussion section in the article is very interesting and how they
interpret the results:
-
Research has widely explored the differences between conservatives and
liberals, and dozens of studies indicate that several variables like
dogmatism, intolerance for ambiguity and disorder, fear of
Out of curiosity, Cam, what do you think is the best way for each person to
personally combat that tendency? I start by trying to make sure I avoid
name calling in the form of things like "rethuglican" or "nobama" and then
really try and make sure to avoid over the top comparisons, like any
refer
I was making a comment on Judah's comment. I was merely being
skeptical that it would happen, after all past behavior is the best
predictor of present and future behavior.
No name calling, just an observation that the right wing extremists
seem to need an enemy. My later comment was how it fits w
The whole thing happens on both side more and more now where the
conversation starts with demonizing the "other side" and
using inflammatory language to the extent that any productive dialog is all
but impossible. This is by design, because there is no interest in
meaningful dialog, only in spewin
It isn't just the right wing, though, Larry. I tend to see more vitriol
about "union thugs" and whatnot but if you go back a couple years there
were plenty of tea party rallies where the entire group of a couple
thousand people were painted with a broad brush because of racist signs
carried by a c
The irony is crushing this email!
Larry vilifying the right wing about vilifying someone else.
Name calling as a call for the end to name calling.
Awesomely blind.
Devastating. Crushing. Irony.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> Won't happen Judah, the right wing needs
It also fits with what I've been saying about those attracted to
conservative politics. They tend to be more responsive to fear related
information. Especially if its presented in a black and white or
absolutist manner with no shades of grey.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote
Won't happen Judah, the right wing needs an enemy to vilify and
demonize. So if the darned Commies or Socialists don't fit, its going
to be Union Thugs or Sharia loving Muslims. Need to fire up the base
after all.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Now I'd love to see the
As usual, Jerry picks up whatever sounds most hateful from the right wing
blogs and posts it without question. Brilliant stuff, Jerry.
So, according to actual news reports and interviews with the guy, here's
what seems to have happened.
The food vendor in question, Mr. Tarver, was not attacked,
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:56 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
"The right to work people had to take flee and shelter inside after
It gets better. After tearing the tent down, the peaceful and tolerant
union members destroyed the hot dog cart of Clint Tarver while dropping
"Uncle Tom" and the N-Bomb on him. Poor guy. He should have known better
than to accept a catering job from Americans for Prosperity.
J
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The govern
"The right to work people had to take flee and shelter inside after
being attacked,
the union people rioted, but they aren't to blame some how? "
Of course not. Progressive-statist support unions hence unions are never
to blame for anything negative.
J
-
Ninety percent of politicians give the
Wait...Jerry wasn't trolling with comparing unions to slavery and I'm
trolling by saying that riot cops with pepper spray and batons look like
the thugs to me?
Damn boy, you got some balls.
But the answer is, yes, I was, indeed, poking fun at the stupid I'm seeing.
Judah
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:57 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Anyway, as typical, after the unions didn't g
g.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:38 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
But sincerely, hopefully not in a box. (re-reading my overly generous clip).
-Cameron
O
: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
I'm not trying to hate Eric. If anything I'm trying to motivate you.
There are things you can do to improve your situation right now. You can
learn C# or Ruby or whatever is popular near Chicago, you could take off on
your own until you can
Seriously!
The right to work people had to take flee and shelter inside after being
attacked, the union people rioted, but they aren't to blame some how?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> you trolling?
>
> .
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Judah McAuley
> wrote:
> >
> > B
you trolling?
.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Boy, sure looked to me like the thugs were the ones with the pepper spray
> and batons hell bent on denying the right to assemble.
>
> Yeah, feel really bad for that poor tent.
>
>
~~
Boy, sure looked to me like the thugs were the ones with the pepper spray
and batons hell bent on denying the right to assemble.
Yeah, feel really bad for that poor tent.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:34 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> One of the right to work guys has challenged the big union thug to a
"One of the right to work guys has challenged the big union thug to a
fight."
I saw that. Supposed to be a charity event or something.
I don't think the unions will let it happen because then someone would have
to explain why it's happening.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the other t
One of the right to work guys has challenged the big union thug to a fight.
Man I hope this shit goes down, and they televise it!!
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "I certainly don't think that this represents all union members, ..."
>
> Of course not. It's like the
"I certainly don't think that this represents all union members, ..."
Of course not. It's like the Muslim terrorist argument. All Muslims are
not terrorists. However, if an plane is blown up in an act of terrorism,
there is a good chance it was a Muslim. Similarly, if there were acts of
viole
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2515629#.UMiWQ-TBESG
There will be blood, State Representative Douglas Geiss threatened
from the floor of the Michigan House of Representatives today as the
body debated legislation that would make Michigan the nations 24th
right to work state.
.
On Wed,
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
> Also, by box I meant carbboard not pine :)
Thats good, but either way, still hopefully not a box.
-Cameron
...
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
http://www.ama
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Anyway, as typical, after the unions didn't get their way, their thugs
> started beating people up, destroying other people's property, and
> threatening bloodshed. Union Strong!
There was a little bit of video at the end of the day yeste
Also, by box I meant carbboard not pine :)
On Dec 12, 2012 8:50 AM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote:
>
> "It doesn't get rid of unions, there are many states with right to work
> laws,
> and they still have millions of union members. "
>
> Don't confuse people with common sense or facts.
>
>
> "The workers
It is the standard, and I've seen it. I remember mmany union eople getting
out of hand growing up. There was a guy on Long Island building a car
dealership, non-union labor. They buned the place down 3 times before he
went bankrupt.
On Dec 12, 2012 8:50 AM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote:
>
> "It doesn
"It doesn't get rid of unions, there are many states with right to work laws,
and they still have millions of union members. "
Don't confuse people with common sense or facts.
"The workers who choose not to pay dues are CHOOSING not to be represented,
no? Shouldn't they have that choice?"
Loo
But sincerely, hopefully not in a box. (re-reading my overly generous clip).
-Cameron
On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> If you really want to change your situation, do so, because you can. Maybe
> you end up in a box
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> If you really want to change your situation, do so, because you can. Maybe
> you end up in a box, maybe you end up in a mansion, but it's all on you
> man. I know I'm gonna make a comeback. It's not going to be in the IT
> field, but it's go
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>> tel: 630-486-5255
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>> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday,
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:48 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
>
>
> I lived in my car alst year and I live on next to nthing, I'm moving to NC
> in about two weeks.
>
> I've had to sell off or give away s
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From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:48 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
I lived in my car alst year and I live on next to nthing, I'm moving to NC
in about two weeks.
I've had to sell off or
I do think that the military should be paid well. I also think that
pre-school teachers should make a living wage.
The system is not fair.
Some say that the invisible hand of Adam Smith means that everyone is
getting paid exactly what they ought to. Market rate, right?
I say bullshit.
And, yes
gt; > > >> thus got the benefits of collective bargaining??
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Three Ravens Consulting
> > > >> Eric Roberts
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of collective bargaining??
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On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> It ends up getting rid of unions and it lessens their ability to represent
> workers as many will chose not to pay dues.
>
It's either:
1) Adding a law that will active is intentionally and catastrophicall
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>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:08 AM
>> To: cf-community
>>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:19 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
>
>
> You move,
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:19 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
You move, take out a loan or go to school, you take responsibility for your
god damned self.
Peo
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From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
It's called liberty.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> But how
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:11 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
Ok, so what?
I
gt; fax: 630-310-8531
> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:08 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
>
>
> "So if 38k
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
"So if 38k is the market rate, why was the company paying 40k?"
If the workers aren't happy with 38k, why can't they leave and go somewhere
else? And please
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:08 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
>
>
> But we're talking about the govern
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> tel: 630-486-5255
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>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:33 AM
> To: cf-community
>
://www.threeravensconsulting.com
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From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:33 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan?
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Judah McAuley
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Judah McAuley
> wrote:
>
> > Come on man, Union and Government as Master and employee as Slave?
>
>
> Obviously, this is an inflammatory statement made to bait an
> equally inflammatory reaction.
>
>
It's a practice of trolls and contributes to the dumbing down of discourse.
Stop trying to make America stupider than it already is. Please.
Slavery is slavery. Unions are not, regardless of what opinion you hold of
them.
Judah
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:44 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> Making ar
"I don't think he was trolling, and makes a valid point."
Of course I was not trolling and it is a germane to the core point.
It is sad in this day that when someone disagrees with another's point, the
person or group that disagrees has to accuse the other of trolling or
question their intellig
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Come on man, Union and Government as Master and employee as Slave?
Obviously, this is an inflammatory statement made to bait an
equally inflammatory reaction.
However, in cases where a radically highly skilled worker deserves higher
pay
Making arguments on comparisons based on even issues taken to extreme
conclusions is common and a valid practice man.
I know this is a pet peeve of yours, with your many comments on my memes
haha
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Come on man, Union and Government as Ma
Come on man, Union and Government as Master and employee as Slave?
We've had actual slavery in this country. Don't denigrate that shit by
comparing employment law to it. Seriously, that's fucked up.
Go ask any of your black friends if the NLRB is logically equivalent to the
institution of slaver
I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have
invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I
believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the
former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest
qualities of ma
I don't think he was trolling, and makes a valid point.
We've seen time and again what an all powerful government can do, I'm not
going to even mention the countries and ideologies involved.
We've seen what abusive corporations are capable of, and we've seen unions
do things that are totally and
Why is it that when people are trying to have a serious discussion, some
folks need to take it on themselves to try and troll?
I've never understood that.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "The employee is only the commodity in a world where a Union (or
> Government) i
"The employee is only the commodity in a world where a Union (or
Government) is controlling (trading) people."
So, the Union and/or government is the master and the employee is a slave.
Where have I heard that before?
J
-
It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking
Well said.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>
> I'd say I'm a fair market advocate and not on for a totally free market.
> this is a major sticking point for me with the plank of the Libertarian
> party, as well as their stance against borders and nationalism.
>
> When I say
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> What do you think rule #1 of real world economics is then? I'm curious.
>
I guess that would vary depending on what your world view is. I don't think
identifying this would serve any real purpose in this debate, really.
> Free markets, i
I'd say I'm a fair market advocate and not on for a totally free market.
this is a major sticking point for me with the plank of the Libertarian
party, as well as their stance against borders and nationalism.
When I say fair market I mean that we obviously need limited controls in
place to protec
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Judah McAuley >wrote:
>
> > Cam, the world you describe is one that is presented in some high school
> > economics texts, I suppose, but not really anywhere beyond that.
> >
>
> This is not a valid cl
Word!!
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Judah McAuley >wrote:
>
> > Cam, the world you describe is one that is presented in some high school
> > economics texts, I suppose, but not really anywhere beyond that.
> >
>
> This is not
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Cam, the world you describe is one that is presented in some high school
> economics texts, I suppose, but not really anywhere beyond that.
>
This is not a valid classification.
> Rule number one of actual economics is that there is no t
Cam, the world you describe is one that is presented in some high school
economics texts, I suppose, but not really anywhere beyond that.
Rule number one of actual economics is that there is no truly free market.
The prerequirements of a free market includes absolute, instantaneous,
knowledge am
"Like I said I don't have any problem having unions, we need collective
bargaining, hell several years ago I suggested starting an IT union on this
very list to represent the interests of 'exempt salaried' employees who
regularly get screwed over."
No one should be against the existence of union
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> If the notion of a union is too odious to you, then
> don't apply for a union job. You still have self ownership.
I actually think this is the choice that many highly skilled people make
today.
I know of some pretty interesting IT gigs a
"So if 38k is the market rate, why was the company paying 40k?"
If the workers aren't happy with 38k, why can't they leave and go somewhere
else? And please don't answer that there might now be any other jobs. If
that's the case, then they should be happy with 38k.
J
-
The Constitution does
But we're talking about the government forcing a third party into the
process of two parties negotiating compensation. Like I said I don't have
any problem having unions, we need collective bargaining, hell several
years ago I suggested starting an IT union on this very list to represent
the inte
So if 38k is the market rate, why was the company paying 40k?
.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Company drops the pay rate of both Worker X and Y to 38K a year because of
> "restructuring" or some such and can do so with no repercussions because
> they don't have to fac
"So, when presented with a choice, they will make the choice that is best for
them."
Which is spot on and which is exactly what union leaders and government
leaders do not want people to do. They don't want people to make decisions
at all. Just keep walking along like happy cattle. They'll tak
Well, hell, if you are just going to take an arbitrary Libertarian stand
point, then you have perfect free and voluntary association even with union
representation because no one is requiring you to apply for or take a
union-represented job. If the notion of a union is too odious to you, then
don'
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> No you are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. You made the
> assumption that I consider people to be too stupid to understand.
>
So, when presented with a choice, they will make the choice that is best
for them.
> Since you obv
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Here's how that plays out, Cam.
>
That scenario sounds totally plausible and reasonable, and exactly like the
sort of competitive job marketplace that drives a competitive America
without artificially propping up wages. In a truly open job
My statement is based on the fact that ALL LAW is based on the monopoly on
the initiation and use of force in order to enforce said law.
Every law on the books is only backed by someone with a gun and a jail
cell. We need to be more careful about what we decide rises to that level.
What about f
No one said anything about force, dude. I was talking about the structure
of labor law.
I do have some mad respect for the old Wobblies though. They were some hard
mofos. I don't think we need that now, I do think that things have evolved
to the point where union structure and power needs to be l
No you are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. You made the
assumption that I consider people to be too stupid to understand.
Since you obviously have some sort of mystical and perfectly effective
mind reading technique that you can extract what I really meant, why
continue the discussion
"Perhaps I am read the wrong description of the proposed change to the law. All
I see is 'you couldn't choose before, now you can'. Period."
That about sums it up.
"I don't see anything in the law change that explicitly gets rid of any unions
unless they can't stand on their own two feet withou
Yes those things can suck man, but is force really the way to fight it?
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Here's how that plays out, Cam.
>
> Union Worker X makes $40K a year.
> Company hires worker Y and says, I'll pay you $42K a year if you don't join
> the union.
> W
Exactly Cam, this is prohibiting unions, nor free association, just making
it voluntary.
Everything in personal employment should be a voluntary agreement between
and individual and whoever they work for. I have nothing against unions
per say, as I mentioned they have done some great things. Th
Here's how that plays out, Cam.
Union Worker X makes $40K a year.
Company hires worker Y and says, I'll pay you $42K a year if you don't join
the union.
Worker Y realizes that they'd be bringing home more money, so they don't
join the union.
Company offers to pay Worker X $42K a year if he leaves
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Unfortunately, the "right to work" stuff being passed in Michigan doesn't
> represent any sort of sane attempt to fine tune union representation and
> fix some of the flaws. It's just trying to do away with unions.
Perhaps I am read the w
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