I don't have time to explain society to you. Let's just say that this does not
correspond to my experience, at all.
You seem to be the one saying people are dumb.
I think most people understand their position quite well and know what would
improve it. The problem is often that there is an ent
+a million or two
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:34 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
> > Dana wrote:
> > what was that about not w
> Dana wrote:
> what was that about not wanting people to tell you what you believe? Kindly
> extend me the same courtesy. No, I don't take a dim view of my fellow human
> beings. I take a dim view of assholes with no insight into social problems :)
> I really don't have time to rehash this with
what was that about not wanting people to tell you what you believe? Kindly
extend me the same courtesy. No, I don't take a dim view of my fellow human
beings. I take a dim view of assholes with no insight into social problems :) I
really don't have time to rehash this with you, especially since
+1
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:40 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
Like
> T-Bone wrote:
> Like me :)
>
> Hell, and I'm a retard.
>
I wasn't gonna say anything but ...
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Like me :)
Hell, and I'm a retard.
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:31 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> (and I've seen some r
> Dana wrote:
> Ya, I think you should go tell it on the mountain: "you don't have to be
> poor!"
>
> What bullshit.
>
oops, I guess you're one of those people that takes a dim view of her
fellow humans.
Ok, well, name a person you've met that if given the right HS
education couldn't find a dece
Ya, I think you should go tell it on the mountain: "you don't have to be poor!"
What bullshit.
On 1/12/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > wow.
> >
> > > Nobody has to be poor, they just choose to
> > > be or don't know any better.
> >
>
> I know: it's so obvious it shou
> Dana wrote:
> wow.
>
> > Nobody has to be poor, they just choose to
> > be or don't know any better.
>
I know: it's so obvious it shouldn't have to be said, but some people
don't think much of others.
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wow.
> No! How could that possibly be true? However I think everyone has
> the ability to earn a decent living in a free capitalistic society
> ruled by egalitarian law. Nobody has to be poor, they just choose to
> be or don't know any better.
~
no, though what I have heard about it sounds about right. Especially
at night different clientele in the daytime.
On 1/12/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not really, do you watch taxi cab confessions?
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Me
nice talking points but they do little to advance this discussion...
On 1/12/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Matt wrote:
> > You've hit the nail on the head. I'm don't believe that cities will
> > dissolve immediately into crisis should welfare be removed, but I do
> > definitely t
> G Money wrote:
> War requires the failure of reason, in my opinion. Two sides acting
> reasonably would never go to warit requires an unreasonable act on one
> side or the other. (or both)
>
But that unreasonable act is almost theft - land, power, natural
resources, etc. And many times "war
War requires the failure of reason, in my opinion. Two sides acting
reasonably would never go to warit requires an unreasonable act on one
side or the other. (or both)
> So that means that reason has failed. It proves my point.
>
> - Matt
>
~~
> Sam wrote:
> The ones that wanted to ask where buried in the mass graves
>
Bleeding heart liberal.
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So that means that reason has failed. It proves my point.
- Matt
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From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
The ones that wanted to ask where buried in the mass graves
On 1/11/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Matt wrote:
> > And violence becomes necessary when?
> >
>
> "When words will not work, [and] when compromise is impossible."
>
> I'll back you up in this sense: war is always just organized theft.
> Mayb
> Matt wrote:
> And violence becomes necessary when?
>
"When words will not work, [and] when compromise is impossible."
I'll back you up in this sense: war is always just organized theft.
Maybe it's theft of food, but that's theft.
Now, take Iraq. One might say, "we're liberators!" But really
> Matt wrote:
> Is it your contention that everybody is created equal in terms of talents,
> intelligence, and ability?
>
No! How could that possibly be true? However I think everyone has
the ability to earn a decent living in a free capitalistic society
ruled by egalitarian law. Nobody has to
Is it your contention that everybody is created equal in terms of talents,
intelligence, and ability?
- Matt
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From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Next in line
> Matt wrote:
> In any case, my opinion remains that we can't
> let the poor go hungry, with or without an exchange for work, both as a
> moral issue and a security issue.
>
Yeah, your point sort of support an old saying:
10% of the population is intelligent and it's their reponsibility to
keep t
gt;
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community"
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> >
> >
as a
moral issue and a security issue.
- Matt
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From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>> Matt wrote:
>>
> Matt wrote:
> You've hit the nail on the head. I'm don't believe that cities will
> dissolve immediately into crisis should welfare be removed, but I do
> definitely think that crime in the form of theft and murder will make a
> dramatic increase, to a point unheard of at the present time.
>
Y
Nope, wasn't me.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:28 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labeled Dictator by America
>
> are you the one that said his point was idiotic? I don't feel
> like scrolling th
are you the one that said his point was idiotic? I don't feel like
scrolling through the thread to find out. As for not as barbaric, hmm.
On 1/11/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't say no relation, I said ours wasn't as barbaric.
~~
ty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks, Dana. I've been called an idiot today for saying
> this. You
> > may not agree with everything I have to say, but at least you're
> > willing to have an adult discussion.
> >
> > -
he exact kind of
> thinking that brought about such incidents as the LA Riots after the Rodney
> King trial.
>
> - Matt
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11
a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:10 PM
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>I saw that. I did not engage as I was not sure if their misreading was
> due to people not having the time to read/
re willing to have an
> adult discussion.
>
> - Matt
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled D
y"
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> people who are hungry will have few reservations about stealing. Works for
> me.
>
> On 1/11/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ugh, I mistyped and th
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> From: "Tim Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:29 AM
> Subject: RE: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
>
> > Other than the fact that the statement isn&#x
um, no they didn't check the news coverage at the time. Food did not
make it in for several days. Now, the people stealing televisions, I
grant you, mob mentality, sure.
On 1/11/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> NO had assistance in place, they (FEMA, the NG, other agencies) were giving
>
I dont care about being rich, but that doesn't mean I plan to be on
the street ;) I'm quite happy to be a reasonably affluent taxpayer ;)
I just won't cut throats to be Donald Trump. Not worth it for me. But
there is a middle ground, and you have found it -- the idea that a
safety net is amongst th
yeah, that's my problem with that scenario. I'll agree on the need for
some transparency, even if it is another law. You want to be publicly
held, you should have some accountability imho. As for old Bob -- I
don't think he wants to be in the system -- he didn't apply for food
stamps till he had no
> Cam wrote:
> I'm going to follow some old advise - don't ever get into a public
> argument with an idiot, because people will have a hard time figuring
> out which one of you is the idiot.
>
I prefer this version:
Never debate an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with ex
uot;Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:58 PM
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> You continue to form arguments that are not on point and do not
> support your viewpoint. Even yo
And violence becomes necessary when?
- Matt
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From: "Tim Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:58 PM
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> How is that again?
&g
dnesday, January 11, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> You continue to form arguments that are not on point and do not
> support your viewpoint. Even you admit that you are attempting to use
> a racially based argument to support a non-racial issue
m: "Tim Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
>
> > >If you were poor, had
> >> no marketable skills, and needed food
You continue to form arguments that are not on point and do not
support your viewpoint. Even you admit that you are attempting to use
a racially based argument to support a non-racial issue. Thrashing
about wildly making unrelated points and claiming they support your
argument isn't a discussion
On 1/11/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW we are not just animals and instinct. We are humans, men.
> We are rational. We can use reason. This argument is insane.
That's a philosophical belief based on human biases. Scientifically,
the word "instinct" is a sort of nebulous catch-a
> Matt wrote:
> What would happen today if the welfare system were removed
> completely? It's a catalyst for catastrophe.
If by "catastrophe" you mean "learn to work for a living" then I agree.
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Why is it insane? You're a soldier, right? If everyone used reason, we
wouldn't have war and you wouldn't be a soldier.
- Matt
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To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006
]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>> Matt wrote:
>> Hence a
>> welfare system's purpose is not only there to provide food to the needy,
>> it's necessary
>If you were poor, had
> no marketable skills, and needed food to feed your children,
> you'd probably kill also if necessary.
> It's an animal instinct.
No I wouldn't. I had no marketable skills. I joined the army and taught
myself some. BTW we are not just animals and instinct. We are hum
ld
just as soon shoot you for an apple as pay for it, under certain
circumstances.
- Matt
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From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled
> Matt wrote:
> Hence a
> welfare system's purpose is not only there to provide food to the needy,
> it's necessary to help keep people from killing each other for the
> necessities of life.
Isn't that policy the height of cowardice? Applied internationally it
would be: give or do anything an agg
A lack of basic substance was caused in large part by the welfare
program? I'm really not sure why you think this is a valid argument
for your initial assertion. Every point you make actually contradicts
your initial assertion.
Also, you seem to be promoting the idea that paying off a certain
pe
necessities of life. It's the basics of poverty, Mazlo's Hierarchy of Needs.
- Matt
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From: "Tim Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Next in line to be labelled D
ew what I meant.
> >
> > - Matt
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community"
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: Next in line t
I clearly forgot to add:
"New Orleans after Katrina"
- Matt
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From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by Ame
ess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
>
> > No, your example was actually that all hell broke out when the welfare
> > program (not
I'm confused... I thought I knew what I meant.
- Matt
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To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
the flooding. Although not a nice place before hand, the lack
> of law and any assistance led to the grave conditions there.
>
> - Matt
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Tuesd
istance led to
> the grave conditions there.
>
> - Matt
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled D
Or studies of the mating habits of the tsi tsi fly.
Or studies on how to make apples shinier.
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:07 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dict
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> On 1/10/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think that Gruss doesn't realize that a country without a welfare
>
> Cam wrote:
> Poor granny out on the street may have made some poor decisions in her
> life, but she's in not position to fix them at this point, and likely
> not capable of earning an income on her own either. She should
> probably be helped out.
>
Yes, but here's the problem I have with what G
And on what was your Constitution based?
What guided the Founding Fathers of your country?
On 1/10/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok Larry, then why can't we torture prisoners?
>
> Where do rights come from? The constitution.
>
> Tim
~
Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:46 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> >
> >
> > Natural law.
> >
> > OK what is that? HOw do you measure it. Where is it?
>
On 1/10/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Gruss doesn't realize that a country without a welfare program
> is going to be run over by criminals killing others for gain. Case in point:
> New Orleans
New Orleans had a Welfare program. In fact, it had very high
participatio
Natural law.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:47 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> > >
>
esday, January 10, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> We all make mistakes and bad choices, Gruss. Some of us get penalized
> more savagely than others. By the way, from what I remember, Enron
> employees were not given any option for their
Employees may not have had any choice but to put retirement money into
Enron's stock, but they did have a choice as to where to work. I'd
bet most of those employees could have found work elsewhere if they
wanted to. But the real problem is the breakdown in the implied moral
and ethical contract
We all make mistakes and bad choices, Gruss. Some of us get penalized
more savagely than others. By the way, from what I remember, Enron
employees were not given any option for their retirement account
besides Enron stock.
Outside of empathy though, it is generally better to take care of
social pr
> Dana wrote:
> I'll agree with everything you say except granny dying in the street.
Here's my problem with that: granny used to be 20 and clearly made
some bad decisions to get to the point you're talking about. You have
to take a step back and ask, "Is it government's role to subsidize
people'
um. Take a look at the UN declaration of rights. Then ask the average
neocon if he thinks they are self-evident.
Dana
On 1/10/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Larry wrote:
> > OK what is that? HOw do you measure it. Where is it?
> >
>
> We hold these truths to be self evident. All m
> Larry wrote:
> OK what is that? HOw do you measure it. Where is it?
>
We hold these truths to be self evident. All men are created equal.
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> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
> >
> > Where does the notion of 'Rights' come from?
> > On what are Rights based?
> >
> > On 1/10/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL
nice to go grab a small country somewhere and
> give it a shot though.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:23 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by A
Natural rights of man.
Natural law.
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:47 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
> Where does the notion of 'Rights
Where does the notion of 'Rights' come from?
On what are Rights based?
On 1/10/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why don't people understand that law is to enforce rights NOT morals.
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> T-Bone wrote:
> Yes, but they can be used to restrict on persons ability to infringe upon
> the rights of another.
>
> Murder is a crime because you shouldn't infringe upon a persons right to
> life.
>
> Rape is a crime because you shouldn't infringe upon an individuals right to
> be secure in th
> Tim wrote:
> I don't believe in altruism in the least. I think that everything humans do
> is guided by self interest. From working hard to get more money and things
> for yourself, to donating to charity and doing good works for some supposed
> reward in the great hereafter.
>
True dat!
it, which sucks. Would be nice to go grab a small country somewhere and
give it a shot though.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:23 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by A
t; > violate the
> > > rights of the individual. Therefore there should be
> > legislation as to
> > > what/how much pollution is an acceptable trade off.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
> Yes. I have disagreed with you and with Gruss on where such
> laws are necessary (
lation as to what/how
> much pollution is an acceptable trade off.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:51 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator b
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:51 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
> Actually, not really. It's one of those things undreamt of in
> your philosophy. I want to be comfortable but don't really
> care
Actually, not really. It's one of those things undreamt of in your
philosophy. I want to be comfortable but don't really care about being
rich. Just because it can explain most behavior does not mean that it
always does so accurately.
One flaw in your reasoning - it does not take into account
impr
hat I mean?
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
> Laws, by their very nature, restrict.
>
> On 1/10/06
Laws, by their very nature, restrict.
On 1/10/06, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't have to be.
>
> Collectivist government is when we as individuals are responsible to take
> care of one another.
>
> Government can be a force that is really only there to protect the rights of
> th
I am concerned laws should only be written that are
targeted at protecting the rights of the individual.
> -Original Message-
> From: Chesty Puller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:04 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled
On 1/10/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah...but a general desire to do better does not equal Greed.
> Greed is something completely different and has nothing *but* a
> Negative connotation.
>
> And unless we are talking about pure Greed the case for a Capitalist
> economy vs a mixed capital
But isn't collectivism what government is in the first place? I think the
question is how far you want to go with it.
- Matt
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To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject:
u man, and I don't think that any form of collectivist
government will truly work.
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:55 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by Americ
Ah...but a general desire to do better does not equal Greed.
Greed is something completely different and has nothing *but* a
Negative connotation.
And unless we are talking about pure Greed the case for a Capitalist
economy vs a mixed capitalist or a non-capitalist economy cannot be
made simply by
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:34 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
> > Dana wrote:
> > Larry what we have here is the utilitarian philosophy run
> amok. It is
> > a reasonably valid if somewhat depressing s
Great post man.
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:11 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Next in line to be labelled Dictator by America
>
>
> Rule #1 of these discussions that you let me
> Gel wrote:
> You fail to see that nothing you are describing there can accurately
> be termed "Greed".
>
greed n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs
or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.
So, Gel, do you "need" your playstation? Do you nee
> Gel wrote:
> You fail to see that nothing you are describing there can accurately
> be termed "Greed".
>
One other point here, let's look at Cuba's accomplishments:
1.) Name the top hospitals in the world for, say, heart disease. Are
any in Cuba?
2.) Name the top technology advances released i
You fail to see that nothing you are describing there can accurately
be termed "Greed".
On 1/9/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Your entire premise is incorrect.
> >
>
> Holy Crap! Have you told this to the University of Chicago?? You're
> going to be rich, RICH I TELL YOU!
>
> Oh.
> Gel wrote:
> Having a country care for it's people by providing basic services to
> all is not wrong.
> A lot of people happen to like Canada's healthcare model and other
> aspects of their society.
>
Of course it's not, but who do you think pays for all of those
services? Do you think there's
> Dana wrote:
> Larry what we have here is the utilitarian philosophy run amok. It is
> a reasonably valid if somewhat depressing system of thought.
I'm not sure what you mean here, but speaking of charity that's how I
like to think of spending.
Like anything, greed run amok is a bad thing. When
I don't share your point of view about Greed at all.
What you are arguing is a number of highly impractical things and
fictitious situations to prove your point.
This is an illogical argument.
You also go about ascribing actions to me of which you know nothing
about and which are also entirely fi
Larry what we have here is the utilitarian philosophy run amok. It is
a reasonably valid if somewhat depressing system of thought. Remember,
in thi s thinking charity has benefits to the giver as well. And by
the way when I say valid I mean that it can explain most behavior.
On 1/9/06, Larry C. Ly
You're dead sure about those.
To start, capitalism as we know it is a relatively recent phenomenon.
Its an outgrowth of the merchantile system of the 16th and 17th
centuries. Before that commerce was extremely regulated, either at the
local level - think merchant guilds or by royal charter. In Byz
> Gel wrote:
> Gruss is saying that Capitalism = Greed. Capitalism is good and the
> only viable economic model, and therefore Greed and all that goes with
> it is good.
>
> Gruss also believes that any form of government beside a laissez Faire
> Capitalist Democracy is wrong.
>
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