Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam bruyat don't speak untruth in a pleasant way
esha
...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat
] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth
] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak
@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca
] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Ditto,
Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth.
Saha Nav,
satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat
speak the truth, speak sweetly
na bruyat satyam apriyam |
don't speak truth in an unloving way
priyam ca nanritam
bruyat
don't
On 10/24/2014 1:37 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Life long atheists cannot commit apostasy for there never is, nor was,
anything for them to abandon.
/When a person professes a belief in Buddhas, karma and reincarnation,
and at the same time,
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM is quite
topical to quite a lot of people lurking. And, who do you think reads this
place? Your audience? Who do you really write for when you post? Some writers
should rightfully be embarrassed.
-Buck
An
Xeno, I think FFL is a microcosm of L. Do you think L is a level playing field?
I do.
On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 2:26 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM
is quite topical to quite a lot
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote:
Buck wrote:
Om yes, and eminent scholars. FairfieldLife and Fairfield and TM is quite
topical to quite a lot of people lurking. And, who do you think reads this
place? Your audience? Who do you really write for when you post?
it that way before, but I guess back in
the 70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife
Xeno, you are probably correct that it is difficult after all this time to know
what Jesus actually taught. For me he embodies agape. So any teaching that
deviates much from that principle, I don't trust it as coming from him. I think
early on his actual teachings got hijacked for other than
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
LSD still comes in tabs?
How would you know that?
Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD.
(disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin')
Actually, speaking not from experience but from a fascinating article I
once read on the
you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess back in the
70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion.
On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard
Judy, first of all, I very much enjoy this kind of discussion so thank you.
Secondly, I think I still have some issues with my Catholic upbringing and that
those are coming into play here.
Yes, I realize the two languages are expressing the same principle. But as you
must well know, language
I would agree with this. In my own life, from childhood on, the tendency to
invoke metaphysical explanations steadily declined, until now everything is
immediate, direct, no need for an explanation of something out-of-sight. That
is for experience. As far as the rational mind is concerned,
/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 1:35 AM
I was talking
emptybill:
Robin never was interested in a classical Vedantic assessment
of his so-called “enlightenment”.
That's because MMY didn't present TM in a classical assessment of
enlightenment. MMY's sadhana is based on yoga practice. If it was Vedantic
MMY would have emphasized the Vedantic notion
it.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:05 PM
On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote
Ann:
I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain
individuals
to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal
it can really screw them up, whether they are holy men or holy women
or the Justin Biebers and Miley Cyrus' of the world. Feed the ego like
/14, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:18 PM
Really fine
post, Michael, very thoughtful.
Based on what I've read,
I'm not sure enlightenment experiences
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:
Ann:
I guess my point here is that it takes enablers to allow certain individuals
to spiral out of control. When you put someone on some sort of pedestal
it can really screw them up, whether they are holy men or holy women
* Did Rama leave a suicide note?*
**
What you need to understand about Rama is that he believed in reincarnation
and karma. Rama's suicide note is contained in his own writings. According
to Rama, the spirit doesn't die when the body dies - your spirit goes into
the Tibetan Bardo state for a few
It was pretty clearly a suicide, according to the person who was with him and
attempted to join him. She survived, he didn't. :
A suicide pact! Well, the fact she survived nicely makes my point that trying
to overdose on Valium is a dumb idea. He owned a gun so he had a more effective
Richard, many times turq has expressed, maybe in different words, this idea
that followers actually enable leaders. At least once he has said that
followers are even more responsible.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:45 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ann:
I guess my
emptybill, following up on your last sentence below, how is it possible for a
teacher to cheat a disciple out of the self-evaluations necessary for real
sadhana. Surely the disciple has some say in the matter. Do you think this is
what happened to Robin?
On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:58
According to Mr. Benjamin Crème the state of evolution of Lenz at the time of
death was 1,3. In other words far from enlightened.
He was at a lower level than John Lennon (1,6) and Frank Zappa (1,4) but
higher than Marilyn Monroe (0,9) and Elvis Presley (0,8)
Prof. P. Dog sez:
MMY's sadhana is based on yoga practice. If it was Vedantic, MMY would have
emphasized the Vedantic notion of maya, which is not real, yet not unreal.
Your view of Vedanta is that it is Maya-vada ... a teaching about Maya. This
is a classical misrepresentation that
If you mean the kind of scientific objectivity that the TMO uses, anything goes.
On Sat, 1/18/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife
If I may comment, presumably the disciple doesn't know any better. How can the
disciple demand something he or she doesn't know is necessary?
FWIW, I've always thought Maharishi didn't give Robin the help he needed after
he'd had this profoundly transformative experience on the mountain.
Judy, I don't think self evaluation is something that a disciple needs to
demand. In my experience, life makes it obvious when self evaluation is needed!
On second thought, I think empty meant that if the guru emphasizes experience,
meaning spiritual experience, then the disciple will go with
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
If I may comment, presumably the disciple doesn't know any better. How can the
disciple demand something he or she doesn't know is necessary?
FWIW, I've always thought Maharishi didn't give Robin the help he needed after
he'd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
if you don't understand how people make excuses for then own behavior
then you need more life experience - do you think just because someone
says something, they are being truthful, including with themselves?
I think Judy's trying to
LSD still comes in tabs?
How would you know that?
Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD.
(disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin')
Maybe your experience isn't the be-all and end-all for everybody, Share, not to
mention that you haven't had the sort of sudden profoundly transformative
experience Robin had. In any case, Robin got all kinds of positive feedback;
nobody questioned his enlightenment. Life didn't make it
I knew Barry wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity to demonize Robin and
me after I commented on Michael's post. I also knew he'd fuck it up badly,
which is precisely what he's done. He thinks he can divine what I'm trying to
say without having read what I actually said (or what Robin
MMY was not a personal guru and said so many times. How could he, with so many
followers? At my TTC in Fiuggi, there were over 2,000 teachers. Just getting
the mantras of initiation took about 1-1/2 hours of waiting to go through the
whole process.
A personal guru (like Shri Yukteshwar)
And finally, I find the notion that one should never feel shame for one's
mistakes contemptible.
I feel shame that your mistaken notion is contemptible.
How many followers did Maharishi have who had an experience similar to Robin's
of popping into what seemed to be Unity Consciousness without any warning in
the space of a minute or two?
It's one thing not to give personal attention to thousands of grunts slogging
along with their sadhana.
Muktananda said Maharishi wasn't a personal Guru because he was taking care of
(being the Guru of) the whole world.
So many World Teachers ... SBS, MMY and Robin.
How many world teachers does it take to liberate everyone?
None.
The first way of repentance is condemnation of sins. 'You must declare your
own sins first that you may be justified.' Wherefore also the prophet said 'I
said, I will speak out, my transgression to the Lord, and You remitted the
iniquity of my heart.' Condemn yourself therefore for your own
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
MMY was not a personal guru and said so many times. How could he, with
so many followers? At my TTC in Fiuggi, there were over 2,000 teachers.
Just getting the mantras of initiation took about 1-1/2 hours of waiting
to go through the whole process.
Works for me.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Muktananda said Maharishi wasn't a personal Guru because he was taking care of
(being the Guru of) the whole world.
This is the essence of confession (a renewal of baptism). It was originally a
practice that started with ordinary people seeking out desert monastics who
spent their live in askesis. Only later was it usurped by priests whose actual
job was just the rite of absolution.
The belief of the
Right. So my mistake in being contemptuous of the idea that one should never
feel shame for one's mistakes is what, exactly?
Obviously one shouldn't be wallowing in shame after having been absolved, but
if one isn't feeling any shame to start with, why would one seek absolution?
This
Judy - it was a play upon and between words and meaning.
You should've gotten it.
And finally, I find the notion that one should never feel shame for one's
mistakes contemptible.
I feel shame that your mistaken notion is contemptible.
emptybill, I think it's appropriate to feel guilt about wrong doing and to make
amends. But imo shame is toxic. It says that there's something fundamentally
wrong with the person rather than that they did something wrong.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:42 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com
That's your personal definition of shame, Share. You're making an arbitrary
distinction between feeling guilt and feeling shame. My dictionary says shame
is:
a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt, shortcoming, or
impropriety
I'd say if you are unable or refuse to feel pain
Judy, my distinction between shame and guilt comes from contemporary psychology
and I agree with your last sentence.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
That's your personal definition of shame, Share. You're making an arbitrary
Say, emptybill, did you ever think about the possibility of actually answering
a question rather than delivering yourself of faux koans? Because your
persistent nonanswers leave one with the sense that you don't have any answers,
you're just spouting off at random with no concern for making
It's still an arbitrary distinction, Share. Shame need not involve the sense
that there's something wrong with you rather than that there was something
wrong with what you did.
And anyway, the sense that there's nothing wrong with you is delusionary. If
there were nothing wrong with you,
Judy, contemporary psychologists find it useful to distinguish between guilt
which is healthy and shame which is toxic, where shame indicates feeling that
one is fundamentally wrong, bad, defective.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:31 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Did you not read what I wrote, Share? The distinction in terms of words is
arbitrary. Shame isn't inherently toxic, and guilt isn't inherently healthy.
You can redefine the words all you want, but all you're saying is that one
shouldn't feel that one is fundamentally wrong, bad, defective (or
Judy, this is where I part company with Catholicism, the belief that people are
defective at their core. I don't think this is a healthy belief and I doubt
that Jesus taught it.
I left the Church when they said it was no longer a mortal sin to eat meat on
Friday. I realized how arbitrary
I do believe I said Christianity, not Catholicism, Share. I'm astonished
you weren't aware that it's Christian doctrine across the board. As I said, if
we weren't defective, there'd have been no need for God to send Jesus to redeem
us and make us acceptable in God's sight.
I'm not saying
The Dancing Fool - by Kilgore Trout
A flying saucer creature named Zog arrived on Earth to explain how wars could
be prevented and how cancer could be cured. He brought the information from
Margo, a planet where the natives conversed by means of farts and tap dancing.
Zog landed at night
Judy, true you said Christianity but my personal experience is with
Catholicism. I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are defective by
nature and I don't believe that Jesus taught that.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:50 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
There are a few splinter Christian churches that do not follow the idea that we
are inherently sinful, but are instead, inherently good. One such church is the
Unity Church of Practical Christianity. On the other hand the majority of
Christian flavours do indeed seem to regard our species as
And I never said you should believe it. Why are you repeating yourself?
If you don't think you stand in need of redemption, that's fine with me.
Judy, true you said Christianity but my personal experience is with
Catholicism. I still think it's unhealthy to think that humans are defective
I live in the City of Unity. I did a number of residence courses at Unity
Village - back in the old days. Unity Village is a fabulous facility but now
there are a number of other Unity facilities - such as Unity Temple on the
Plaza and Unity Church of Overland Park.
Unity Temple on the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:
LSD still comes in tabs?
How would you know that?
Empty always asking the really important questions...
Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD.
(disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin')
Wow, I just googled, Unity Temple on the Plaza.
I want to come see this as 'field' study of communal groups. Is it a cult?
There was a Unity Church here in Fairfield for a while but it seemed that it
fell in to a parting of ways between spiritual meditators here and ideological
stick in the
Not a cult but rather a church. Most Christian don't consider it Christian
because it isn't the exclusionary type with which they identity.
Judy, once again I think it is a matter of language choice. I would say that I
need to fully realize my fundamental unity with the divine, with all of
creation. Rather than that I stand in need of redemption. For me, each of these
wordings has its own flavor or tone. I prefer the former wording
But you don't seem able to see that while the language is different, it's the
same fundamental idea. Redemption for Christians is the Beatific Vision, being
at one with God forever. We are not born in that state; we are defective in
that respect. You weren't born in the state of full
Empty, In their Unity Temple on the Plaza complex in the Kansas City area do
they have open silent group transcending non-denominal meditation time,
something like Quiet Time meditations? Do you need a badge to sit meditating
with the group if you happen to be visiting Kansas City? I'd like
Share:
What I reject is the idea that we are defective in our core, by
our very nature. I guess that makes me apostate!
Well, it looks like it's settled then: MJ and the TurqoiseB were the real
True Believers, whose religion was TM - - the only apostates left on the
forum. It looks like nobody
Re People take words much too literally:
That's my view. I think the original founders of the world religions were
talking about a change in consciousness. They had an insight (ie in - sight).
The unwashed masses take the words as a description of the objective world out
there. As the
http://www.nelson-atkins.org/
http://www.nelson-atkins.org/ http://www.nelson-atkins.org/
http://www.unitytemple.com/healing/hmedit.asp
http://www.unitytemple.com/healing/hmedit.asp
http://www.martydybiczphd.com/Pages/MeditationSchedule.aspx
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 7:47 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
wrote:
I am still feeling tons of palpable energy even as I go
about my day. Will get back to you
.
If my experience is any indication, you have achieved that third level for sure.
On Fri, 1/17/14, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday
for talking and thanks for
writing about Rama and all the other things you wrote about.
On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
Turq,
How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing himself
in? Proly lots of immediate shock and trauma but there was existent a form of
organization before he died and is there any vestige of a group afterward?
Before he died there were some who spoke for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Turq,
How did it go in the Rama group in the longer Aftermath of Rama doing
himself in?
I honestly don't know, except for the few people I remained in contact
with, primarily over the Internet. For some of them, even though I knew
they shared my
to Disney.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014,
From what I've
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
Bottom line for me is that all this has taught me the definition of
enlightenment M gave out is flawed if not downright incorrect, and yes
that includes the source material of the vedas which I feel was the
pontifications of a bunch
was
really created for to begin with.
And that is what I think of that.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 1:55 PM
Well, I thought fer sure
you'd say that Rama was a con man and a fake
Michael wrote:
I feel the Universe has nearly infinite if not infinite experiences we can all
have, and the so-called higher states of awareness or enlightened perception,
including all the celestial perception stuff is just another experience among a
plethora of experiences.
I agree. I
such an experience was what
FFL was really created for to begin with.
And that is what I think of that.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: Richard J. Williams
On 1/17/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
It looks like you've changed your mind about the
bun-hopping-levitation too.
I have no idea why you would say that.
Well, it's settled then - humans can fly and levitate; we have several
eye-witnesses on the forum who can testify to this. So, I
On 1/17/2014 9:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I view Amma as a huckster, but I don't deny people have pleasant and
powerful experiences with her.
I view M as a huckster, but the one time I saw him in person, I had
what stands today as one of the most powerful, amazing experiences of
I must say I agree with everything you said.
On Fri, 1/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 4
Rama may have done, as
the Brits say. M never demonstrated cause he couldn't do it.
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
yep, it can happen. Same with Chuck Anderson
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 17, 2014, 6:13 PM
with Chuck Anderson
On Fri, 1/17/14, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@...
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday
Re Guy croaked himself.:
Did Rama leave a suicide note? If not, it seems a funny way to commit suicide.
Some reports claim he took 80–150 Valium. Valium comes in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg
strengths. Assume (tops) he took 150 x 10mg = 1,500mg diazepam. People have
taken 2,000mg of valium and had no
Michael sez:
Robin's experience was that his actions were, as it were, dictated by cosmic
forces, rather than that he could just do whatever he felt like. His experience
was that he could not do other than what he did, even though at times there was
some aspect of himself that didn't want
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story.
Just for one thing, you write, Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen
narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of
them. More of the old - 'I didn’t fail … I was fooled' as you also pointed
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
emptybill, this is a seriously skewed version of Robin's story.
Just for one thing, you write, Rather he just wanted to espouse his chosen
narrative about how he was deluded by 'cosmic entities' but was now free of
them. More
Ann wrote:
Here is how I see it, in a nutshell. Empty can only interpret what Robin's
experience was or wasn't based on his book learning or his own interpretation
of book learning and teachers who 'told him so'. Robin had an experience and he
has analyzed what that actually was, based
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Re Guy croaked himself.:
Did Rama leave a suicide note? If not, it seems a funny way to commit
suicide. Some reports claim he took 80â150 Valium. Valium comes
in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg strengths. Assume (tops) he took 150 x 10mg =
1,500mg diazepam.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
I would like to have a conversation with you about your time with Rama
if you are willing. I am more than happy to do it privately if you like
cause I know some on here are going to revile you no matter what you
say. So can we talk?
On 1/16/2014 2:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
it'll push my hot buttons the same way me saying things about MMY pushes
theirs,
So, you got your buttons pushed. Now you're throwing Rama under the bus
just like you threw MMY under the bus. You spent almost half of your adult
life studying with these
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 8:21 AM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
wrote:
I would like to have
As Barry knows, by far the majority of the, er, reviling with regard to
Barry's stint with Lenz has been in connection with Barry's hypocrisy in using
his experience with Lenz to stalk TMers and others he doesn't like (see the
example in red below, just one of many such).
Third, however,
.
On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
'Apostasy is the
formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation
things you wrote about.
On Thu, 1/16/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014, 4:02 PM
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