Re: Releases and IPMC votes

2011-03-14 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: I was under the impression that *any* mentor is an IPMC member, has a binding +1 vote for releases and could therefore approve of releases without having to go through general@ While I find it very helpful and

Re: Releases and IPMC votes

2011-03-15 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: I was under the impression that *any* mentor is an IPMC member, has a binding +1 vote for releases and could therefore approve of releases without having to go through general@ The issue is allowing proper oversight, and

Re: Releases and IPMC votes

2011-03-15 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: ant elder wrote: As long as general@ is included i don't see that any oversight is lost Please note that the original poster's comment was: I was under the impression that *any* mentor is an IPMC member, has

Re: [VOTE] release Apache VCL 2.2.1

2011-03-29 Thread ant elder
It looks good to me so +1. I don't think the mention of Dojo in the NOTICE file is necessary and think it should be removed. Guess that can be fixed next time though. ...ant On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Josh Thompson josh_thomp...@ncsu.edu wrote: Incubator PMC, The Apache VCL

Re: [VOTE] Release Wink 1.1.3-incubating (RC1)

2011-04-30 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 21, 2011, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: The Wink community has completed a vote on it's

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.2-incubating, RC2

2011-05-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: We've still received zero binding evaluations from incubator for this release, FWIW. I think a problem might be that its so big so a little daunting to review, I did start having a look but haven't enough time yet, I'll try

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.2-incubating, RC2

2011-05-10 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: We've still received zero binding evaluations from incubator for this release, FWIW. I think a problem might be that its so big so

Re: [VOTE] Release NPanday-1.4.0-incubating

2011-05-11 Thread ant elder
+1 Strictly speaking i think the header box in '=''s at the top of the LICENSE file and the lines in the NOTICE file about zlib and BSD shouldn't be in those files, if you really want to mention it then they could go in a README, but those aren't release blockers. ...ant On Wed, May 11, 2011

Re: Policy for BUILD and CHANGES files in podling releases

2011-06-01 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Eric Sammer esam...@cloudera.com wrote: Incubators: I can't find an appropriate policy on the licensing requirements of ancillary files like BUILD or CHANGES files that

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Marmotta 3.0.0-incubating (RC8)

2013-04-24 Thread ant elder
Come back after being away its a bit hard to tell where this vote is but i think its still open and you're wondering what to do. +1 on the release from me. I see the issues being discussed about the legal docs and i see on you're addressing them as much as you can workout and nothing looks like

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-07 Thread ant elder
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt. In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if those discussions drove some of us to distraction. A bit before the wiki crashed,

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-08 Thread ant elder
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt. In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if those

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-11 Thread ant elder
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Eric Johnson e...@tibco.com wrote: If this was a software project, and the appropriate answer was unknown, they you might apply a lean startup approach, and figure out how to run tests to see which way works best. Given the number of incubating projects,

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-11 Thread ant elder
at 2:39 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Eric Johnson e...@tibco.com wrote: If this was a software project, and the appropriate answer was unknown, they you might apply a lean startup approach, and figure out how to run tests to see which way works

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-11 Thread ant elder
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: If you think it's clear in either direction, call a VOTE. I think that's the only demonstrable way to suggest what's clear and what's not. Please see several emails from Greg and others on the board@ list recently

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache JSPWiki 2.9.1-incubating released

2013-05-17 Thread ant elder
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Martin Cooper mart...@apache.org wrote: I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been following along with the progress of this project at all, but I happened to notice that, according to the incubator projects page, this project has been in incubation for

Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache BeanShell in the Incubator

2013-05-25 Thread ant elder
Its good that we can help keep BeanShell going by bring it to the ASF, but my vote here is -1. There was some discussion on this proposal back in April and one of the last emails there was this one saying: If the intention is to have Beanshell become a part of Apache Commons then the IPMC feels

Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel for the Apache Incubator

2013-05-29 Thread ant elder
From the subject line I thought this was going to be another attempt to sort out the incubator :-/ ...ant On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.comwrote: Dear ASF members, We would like to propose MetaModel for the incubator. Matt Franklin will be the

Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?

2013-05-29 Thread ant elder
I agree with Mark and John, the terms mean different things, and the term retired is reasonably well understood now and mentioned in various places in the Incubator documentation so wouldn't it be better to keep it as is? Are there really any dormant poddlings? If so probably they are really

Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?

2013-05-30 Thread ant elder
that. ...ant On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:36 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Mark and John, the terms mean different things, and the term retired is reasonably well understood now and mentioned

Re: Podling not Poddling

2013-05-30 Thread ant elder
I think a lot of the poddling occurrences might be down to me and my atrocious spelling and getting it wrong so often i don't even notice it looks wrong now. I'll try to proofread more closely. ...ant On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: I keep seeing the word

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-04 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Simple as that. If only. This is the old what goes in the NOTICE file debate that has probably caused more emails and confusion than any other topic here. My understanding of the current thinking on this is to only include

Re: svn commit: r1488735 - in /incubator/public/trunk/tools: NOTICE.txt requirements.txt setup.py src/asf/utils/ src/asf/utils/__init__.py src/asf/utils/config.py src/asf/utils/file.py tests/test_conf

2013-06-04 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 4, 2013 4:22 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Simple as that. If only. This is the old what goes in the NOTICE file debate that has

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator

2013-06-05 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hey Alan, Great question if there is an official policy here. My read is that no it's based on tribal knowledge and informal assumption. There is an official policy which is documented on the

Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project

2013-06-14 Thread ant elder
I'm also +1 (and excited!) on trying out this as a probationary TLPs, and with doing that using the approaches outlined by Ross and others in other emails on this thread (which is basically having a vote now to accept this as a podling so we can get started and then working up a probationary TLP

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-17 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote: I would like to invite the IPMC vote to accept the Stratos proposal [1]. I want to clarify that this vote is for the Stratos project to enter the incubator as a standard podling under the existing

Re: Stratos proposal: is it possible to add another initial committer?

2013-06-18 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote: It seems clear that the majority of IPMC members believe this change on a vote in progress is not acceptable. Don't assume its that clear, i think at least some agree with you that this is just ISSUE3 and kept

Re: Stratos proposal: is it possible to add another initial committer?

2013-06-19 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.comwrote: He said majority, not everybody ant. Try a little harder to understand the written words instead of needing to interject your dissonant 2 cents and things will improve around here. Don't be so abrasive Joe, I'm a

Re: community graduation vote at jspwiki-dev

2013-07-04 Thread ant elder
Yay, well done! Almost 6 years, must be well incubated by now. ...ant On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez juanpablo.san...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, a quick email to inform that we've just started the community graduation vote at jspwiki-dev :-) br, juan

Re: [VOTE] recommend Apache JSPWiki for graduating out of the incubator

2013-07-07 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez juanpa...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, The Apache JSPWiki podling is a project which holds a feature-rich and extensible WikiWiki engine, built around the standard Java EE components Java, Servlets, and Java Server

Podling new committer votes

2013-07-09 Thread ant elder
Looking at the Voting in a new committer section at http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html i see that its been updated since i last looked and now says the Incubator PMC should be notified twice when a podling is voting in a new committer, once at the start of the vote and again with the

Re: Podling new committer votes

2013-07-10 Thread ant elder
Ok seems everyone so far is ok with changing this, so how far can this go... In the experiment Joe commented ...basically rolling back the clock to May 1, 2007 on guides/ppmc.html which is this change http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/guides/ppmc.xml?r1=517024r2=542806

Re: Podling new committer votes

2013-07-12 Thread ant elder
process they deem appropriate. Case in point is the Subversion process, which essentially promotes new committers through lazy consensus alone. IOW +1 to roll back to pre-May 1, 2007. - Original Message - From: ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc

Re: Podling new committer votes

2013-07-30 Thread ant elder
I've been away so a little slow in finishing this but i have just now made an update to the guide, see http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1508433 This does not include anything yet for the request from Bertrand to still require at least one mentor vote but instead goes more

Re: Podling new committer votes

2013-08-06 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I've been away so a little slow in finishing this but i have just now made an update to the guide, see http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view

Re: Followup to VXQuery July 2013 report

2013-09-03 Thread ant elder
Hi Marvin, I had a look, that README being pointed to is just build instructions on how to build the svn trunk isn't it, so not to some released artifacts. Thats allowed isn't it, i'm pretty sure other projects and podlings have done something similar anyway. Is it that the website describes it as

Re: Followup to VXQuery July 2013 report

2013-09-05 Thread ant elder
...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: ant elder wrote: Hi Marvin, I had a look, that README being pointed to is just build instructions on how to build the svn trunk isn't it, so not to some released artifacts. Thats allowed isn't

Re: Followup to VXQuery July 2013 report

2013-09-05 Thread ant elder
it in less than a day, so all credit to them for keeping on trying. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for doing that so promptly Till. ...ant On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Till Westmann t...@westmann.org wrote: Just for the record: The website

Re: Followup to VXQuery July 2013 report

2013-09-05 Thread ant elder
to be a mentor to help try to keep them alive if they want to keep trying. ...ant On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:01 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: To me VXQuery looks like an example of a project being let down

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread ant elder
william...@gmail.com wrote: Moving this[1] to general@ On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, September 14, 2013, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eric, I've included references inline for your convenience. I'll once again [strongly

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-16 Thread ant elder
:19 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out of the blue come on to their dev list without introducing yourself demanding that something that happened

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: As Tim and Luciano have already stated, artifacts which were not voted on by the IPMC cannot continue to be distributed though our channels. Is that actually the case? AIUI the ASF only releases open source code.

Re: [VOTE] Apache Chukwa graduation

2013-09-21 Thread ant elder
of the Apache Chukwa Project: * Ahmed Fathalla (afathalla) * Alan D. Cabrera (adc) * Ant Elder (antelder) * Ariel Rabkin (asrabkin) * Bill Graham (billgraham) * Eric Yang (eyang) * Grace Huang (grace.huang) * Ivy Tang (ivytang

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-24 Thread ant elder
I closed LEGAL-178 with the resolution Not A Problem, which is quite different to a resolution of Fixed or Resolved or Answered. From my investigation, things like the text of the AL and various posts in the mailing lists over the years answered the question to my satisfaction. I doubt everyone

Re: VXQuery needs some mentoring

2013-09-25 Thread ant elder
Hi Vinayak, I offered to help mentor if necessary when VXQuery came up a few weeks ago so i can help with this. I'll go have a look at whats going on and help. ...ant On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Vinayak Borkar vinay...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Incubator, The VXQuery podling is

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache VXQuery Incubating 0.2 (RC4)

2013-10-11 Thread ant elder
/**dist/release/incubator/**vxquery/KEYShttps://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/vxquery/KEYS The vote on vxquery-dev passed [1] with +1 (binding) Vinayak Borkar Cezar Andrei Jochen Wiedmann (IPMC) Ant Elder (IPMC) -1 none Please vote [ ] +1 release this package as apache

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache VXQuery Incubating 0.2 (RC4)

2013-10-25 Thread ant elder
: HI Ant, On Oct 11, 2013, at 2:03 AM, ant elder wrote: Dave/Vinayak, My understanding is that the ODC-BY license only needs to be run by ASF legal if there is a concern about it, I've read the license when voting on this and AFAICT its fine (and the package is not being modified so

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-07 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: The Incubator has a fundamental structural flaw: it lacks a mechanism to reward merit earned by individual podling contributors. Idea: Allow for

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread ant elder
Ha ha ha ha. Does the same also apply to maintaining the records, for clutch, the vote monitoring and other tools, signing reports, writing reports for that matter, and all the other aspects of the incubator - all of that might get done eventually one day if people can ever find the time, don't

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache VXQuery Incubating 0.2 (RC4)

2013-11-10 Thread ant elder
0.2 passes after more than 72 hours with 3 +1 votes of IPMC members (Jochen Wiedmann, Ant Elder, Marvin Humphrey) and no 0 or -1 votes. The vote thread on vxquery-dev can be found here: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vxquery-dev/201310.mbox/%3C511917E5-9FC9-4B6C-9DE3

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-10 Thread ant elder
How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that they don't require at least three binding votes, but instead make it at least three votes only one of which must be binding. That would mean there would still be the element of oversight that a mentor vote gives but avoids all the

Fwd: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-10 Thread ant elder
to be a decision of the full committee, not any one member of it. On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 10, 2013, at 1:04 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that they don't require at least

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-12 Thread ant elder
of the full committee, not any one member of it. On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Nov 10, 2013, at 1:04 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that they don't require at least three binding

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-14 Thread ant elder
. Lets give it a try. What do you say? ...ant On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Suresh Marru sma...@apache.org wrote: On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:58 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: So, we _can_ let podlings

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-15 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:08 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What i'd like to try is more similar to the pTLP approach previously talked about. So take some existing podling, eg Stratos and/or VXQuery

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-18 Thread ant elder
Hi Benson, On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: If the board were offering us another structural approach, this would be a different discussion. But, unless I've gotten lost in the torrent of email, the board isn't offering an alternative. Yep you

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-19 Thread ant elder
The reason it might be dis-empowering is that currently one of the main roles of the PPMC is voting in new committers so if the PPMC is initially just the mentors then the other podling members wont be involved in that. It might still be worth trying the approach as an experiment if a willing

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-20 Thread ant elder
, at 4:34 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: The reason it might be dis-empowering is that currently one of the main roles of the PPMC is voting in new committers so if the PPMC is initially just the mentors then the other podling members wont be involved in that. It might still

Re: Populating the initial PPMC

2013-11-21 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: Still, this isn't the hill I want to die on. I think that starting with an empty PPMC is good policy for a variety of reasons, but I'm willing to be flexible for the sake of building consensus on how to address the

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-22 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases

Re: [PROPOSAL] Experiment: VXQuery PPMC Release Voting

2013-11-23 Thread ant elder
I'm in favour of trying this. And its just experiment remember so not a change for ever for all podlings so please people try to support it or at least not try to block it. ...ant On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: The possibility of an experiment

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread ant elder
Do these sort of experiments really need consensus? The Incubator PMC is so big and diverse now it makes getting consensus on some things all most impossible, after the change a little while back we don't even need consensus for voting in new Incubator PMC members now. ...ant On Sat, Nov 23,

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-06 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:38 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 December 2013 10:37, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-09 Thread ant elder
releases it would make a massive improvement to everyones experience of the Incubator. ...ant On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: All the stuff required to be checked when voting

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-09 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ...2) Podlings should normally graduate after the first release (and we should more proactively do that) not stay to do more... I

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-10 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:34 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I know you're passionate about this Marvin but as it stands I'll be voting against this proposal. I plan to propose this as an experiment Well

Re: IP Clearance before releasing

2013-12-10 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: If we deleted every release from the main Foundation distro area that had some divergence from some policy, no matter how tiny, my suspicion is that the distro area would become rather sparse. Yes quite. And

Re: IP Clearance before releasing

2013-12-12 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: For a release tagged with the incubating label and disclaimer, filing bugs rather than blocking seems reasonable. I may have edited away more than you like but yes - filing bugs rather than blocking is the approach

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-13 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: So... * Ant likes the voting rule change, but is opposed to the checklist. I'm also opposed to updating the policy document, so will

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-13 Thread ant elder
mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:18 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also opposed to updating the policy document, so will be voting against this just for that. Its just an experiment so you don't need to be making a permanent change to the policy page to try

Re: Release Verification Checklist

2013-12-13 Thread ant elder
The N word wasn't particularly helpful or constructive, sorry. I do think the policy page should be kept simple and generic though, so isn't the place to be describing this experiment. ...ant On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Well sorry but IMHO thats

Re: [VOTE] Enable Release Checklist Experiment

2013-12-16 Thread ant elder
Obviously +1 from me on doing experiments, and -1 for the silly policy update stuff. ...ant On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: Greetings, As the next step in our ongoing efforts to reform the release voting process, I propose that we run an

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Olingo 1.1.0 incubating (RC03)

2014-02-10 Thread ant elder
+1 Looks ok to me ...ant On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Klevenz, Stephan stephan.klev...@sap.comwrote: No progress on Olingo's release vote. Still one binding vote is missing. What else can we do to get it done? Regards, Stephan On 06.02.14 23:01, Marvin Humphrey

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Olingo 1.1.0 incubating (RC03)

2014-02-10 Thread ant elder
Also, why doesn't Olingo go for graduation? I had a little look around the project and don't see anything holding it up. ...ant On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:35 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Looks ok to me ...ant On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Klevenz, Stephan

Re: When to sign-off on Incubator reports?

2014-04-08 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: FWIW as far as I am concerned, you can 'conditionally' sign off on a report, that is, with comments, if there's things you need to say. Upayavira +1 to that. And its still over a week till the baord meeting and lots of

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-25 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 21:27, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 7:24, Roman

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-01 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! Sorry for a belated reply -- at first I was following Doug's rule and then I got distracted ;-) That said -- I really would like to drive us to some kind consensus (even if we have to do the vote) because the

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-02 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 04:23 AM, ant elder wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! Sorry for a belated reply -- at first I was following Doug's rule and then I got

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-11 Thread ant elder
to see what happens and from that find what sort of rule might work? ...ant On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:01 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Right, and thats why i don't think a rule like that would be useful. I

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-16 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2014, at 8:05, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: That's actually the part of the thread that I have a lot of interest in. Is there

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-12 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ...Including the patch below... Sorry to come in late but

Re: Lack of releases with Droids

2014-08-19 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: A lot of wind was taken out of the sails in the fights to get the IPMC votes necessary to finish a release. We had two votes, but needed

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-10 Thread ant elder
I'm an Incubator PMC member so have a binding vote, but I'm also an IBM employee, on this vote I abstain. ...ant On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the

Re: What do Chukwa, Droids, Hama, Hise, Lucene.Net have in common?

2011-09-14 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: It would be nice to have one canonical location for some of the information that needs to be updated. It seems that podlings have several different locations that need to be updated when one thing changes. In the

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.3-incubating?

2011-09-20 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If I count correctly, we still need one more binding +1.  ManifoldCF only has two mentors, so this vote will have to come from incubator community at large.  But we'd also love to have a third mentor! Karl

Re: [DISCUSS] DirectMemory to join the Apache Incubator

2011-09-20 Thread ant elder
That sounds like a really exciting project to bring to Apache. I'd be happy to volunteer as a mentor if you need one, with the so many existing ASF committors and members part of the project i expect incubation should go pretty smoothly. ...ant On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Simone Tripodi

Re: [SITE] navigation

2011-10-13 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:28 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: The Incubator website has many documentation pages and sections. It is especially important for incoming projects to be able to easily navigate our documentation quagmire. Of course also important for Mentors. Some

Re: [VOTE] Release for Bigtop version 0.2.0-incubating RC2

2011-11-11 Thread ant elder
+1 ...ant On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@cloudera.com wrote: I would like to gently remind all of the IPMC members that it's been more than a week by now since our initial request for a vote. We've got 2 +1s from IPMC and 6 +1s from the community and we would really

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-17 Thread ant elder
To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and looking inside there is the source to some Java classes but no build scripts or

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-17 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release (and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still confused what all of

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-17 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release (and the reason

Re: [VOTE] Release Accumulo 1.3.5-incubating

2011-11-18 Thread ant elder
I thought even Maven plugins were supposed to now, isn't that what the changes a little while back to the standard apache profile for the release plugin to create source zips was for? ...ant On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Sebb, I think we

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-20 Thread ant elder
, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and looking inside

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 21 November 2011 08:42, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
, Karl On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote: That seems an unusual approach to building the src. It also means that to build the complete 0.8.0 release which contains 60 something modules would require manually typing in over 400 commands which is not very

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote: Well IMHO i don't think this release demonstrates that the poddling has an understanding of making or reviewing ASF releases and thats the point

Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: On 11/21/11 09:41 , ant elder wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Paulskarlpa...@gmail.com  wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elderantel...@apache.org  wrote: Well IMHO i don't think this release

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:  On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:   On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org  wrote:   On 11/21

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator

2011-11-21 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, where have we been all this time? They've shipped as many releases as they've shipped, and gotten votes from this PMC, and now, at the time of the graduation vote, all this produces a ton of

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