Brandon,
I'm thinking you are getting too fancy if you are adjusting this thing up
and down manually. A flat board captured on the sides would create the same
motion. You've got a U shape going on right now with your 2 sides and
center piece so a captured board makes sense. Also I think you
Hello All,
As long as people are looking at possibilities of a z-axis, I always thought
that there was some potential in the Angle Ease devices. I'm not sure what
the patent covers but for home use, there is no issue.
The patent is worth the read. http://www.google.com/patents/US6742558 Also,
it's expired for what it's worth.
-Tim
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Hi Curt, to clarify, I said look at it for inspiration, not that the angle ease
in it's current form works for us. For example the lamination technique used
to hold the router is interesting. The way the threaded dowel pins are used is
great for mdf construction. The way the router holding
Hi Brandon,
You have a cool job! Your statement about over engineering was pretty funny.
There's always a huge gap of knowledge between engineers and machinists.
I've had the life experience to have both in my toolbox. Now when I design
something I step back and look at it from the machining
5/8 acme is not available from most suppliers. I have only found one so
far. However, you can find 2 start version from mcmaster that are either
close or right on to 4tpi. The problem then becomes finding a match nut.
If you have a nut it can be used or modified to make the lift work. Finding
Bill,
What do you think is the proper tpi using a 7-10lb router?
I have a PC 7310 on my model 200 that I added a 4tpi screw to control the z
axis. Even at this little weight, I can feel the router wanting to drop
easily. I have a lock on my axis and I use it with all cuts that are the
same
It's also missing the template follower in the back and the part that it mounts
to.
-Tim
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From: Stan Shuford
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Shop made Z-axis
There have been several
I hope your not planning to use the gear setup he has and just use a handscrew
on the leadscrew. Also if I was making something similar, I would make the
locking mechanism work off the front, not the back. Curt's right about no safe
way of making plunge cuts. Think about that before going
What will you be using for a router on this? I've had a design idea sitting
in the wings for many years. It uses the smaller body routers like the
dewalt, bosch, craftsman, PC 900 series. They are lower in horse power, but
I feel they are adequate to do the job. Does your design use a
What can we as a group do to increase on topic message traffic? This group is
growing beyond stale and I don't think it's time to close the group yet. I
don't believe that we have seen %90 of the capabilities of our ornamental
mills. We have over 50 new mill owners that have never asked a
ardent help with the site.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Joe,
The split nut is still available from Legacy. Call them for a replacement.
Don't bother emailing them.
I'm not familiar with the router that you have on the machine
Our machines are grounded from electrical shocks in my humble opinion, but I
guess there are some extreme cases where a shock might be possible, but highly
unlikely. I'm not a certified electrician, but that's my knuckle dragger point
of view. Your mileage may vary.
-Tim
- Original
Hi Joe,
The split nut is still available from Legacy. Call them for a replacement.
Don't bother emailing them.
I'm not familiar with the router that you have on the machine. Have you seen
an accessory called a Router Raizer? It's a screw and a handle to raise and
lower your router by
.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Joe,
The split nut is still available from Legacy. Call them for a replacement.
Don't bother emailing them.
I'm not familiar with the router that you have on the machine. Have you
seen an accessory
I can't believe we are having this conversation. Funny at moments, but Legacy
related information is what some people are looking for. Moderator hat taken
off!
-Tim
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Bill,
Your not alone with this problem. The model 200 has a similar arrangement. In
my case, even with the screw tight and a heavy duty washer, there was still a
little bit of play that I did not like. I also took a shaft collar and placed
it behind the plate, but I just pinned the plate
Head to tail for no other reason than that's how I was taught from the videos.
-Tim
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From: Bill Bulkeley
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:21 AM
Subject: question
I have a question I was wondering when you all
You are seeing correctly. They where 1/4 thick gears made from cast acrylic.
A direction gear was not an option. I have made plastic gears for my model 200
and I will say they are quite to operate. So far none of them have failed, but
they have not seen much action. The bonus of the
to put it in.
So count me out.)
Mac
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the video?
Mac
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RAL is a number system for defining paint colors. Similar to RGB or Pantone
that we would use over here.
Arduino is a small platform circuit board that allows a programmable platform
that works with various hardware. Basically it's a mini computer. When done
I'll be able to type in a
It's so obscure that I doubt I will show it. I think there are three other
model 200 owners in this group and I have not heard a peep from them in years.
My toy will be pretty idiot proof. Enter number of indexes. Make your cut,
hit the next key and repeat until your done. If you can't
Dumb question Joe, How did you match the paint color?
-Tim
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You got me confused with someone that has an once of control. As the
owner/admin of the list I'm lucky to still be able to see email addresses of
the group! I'm still waiting for the day google shuts down the groups for
good.
-Tim
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From:
Hello All,
I'm putting on my co-owner hat for a moment. We have had plenty of new members
that all said in one form or another that they are here to learn about using
the equipment, but I have not seen many ( almost any) questions from the
people. Are you finding what you want by looking at
He's not a member. From what I remember, he has moved onto CNC.
-Tim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Site I stumbled upon
Joe,
You are spot on (as
I've got an attachment of an interesting index plate used in the 1920's for
indexing 1,2,3,4,5 starts on a piece. I'm wondering how error free does it
look?
This is used like the killinger lathe Joe showed at the front of this thread.
The holes are numbered for the indexes. I think I see
I attached the wrong file. This one is correct.
-Tim
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You have cleared it up.
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: indexing
Those would be the fanciest saw horses in my town! Thanks for showing those.
-Tim
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From: CURTIS GEORGE
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: ANTIQUE STAND
Hello everyone.
I was looking at some E-bay sites, and
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From: Tim Krause
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Legacy Mill 1200 for $800 in Sacramento
Bill,
Yes this has the bearing headstock. I don't know of a 1200 without it.
The taller headstock above
Bill,
Yes this has the bearing headstock. I don't know of a 1200 without it. The
taller headstock above the rails is evidence.
Mac,
You're right about not assuming what comes with the mill. $800 is the get it
out of my shop, I can't sell it to anyone or I'm a widow price. In this case
Hi Bill,
There might be a tilted taper one on a videos made between the IRT and
Woodchuck models. I'll go check and gleam any new info. There's none online
that I am aware of off the top of my head.
This should really be handled under a new topic. As a moderator I've been LAZY
about not
Mike,
You will always be known to me as Lil Twisted, but I'd grant you the title of
Sir Twists-A-Lot if it was up to me :-)
I've been looking at your example and the first thing that comes to mind is
there is no 3.75 pitch with the newer Legacy models. How do you get to that
distance? I'm
I prefer no calculations myself but if the job needs to be done and your, The
Guy, well then it's going to get done. I'm curios, what would you say your
normal diameter range is that you are working on?
-Tim
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From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
I've got some thoughts on this, but I need a while fully understand why you are
doing this method instead of the index plate you originally showed us. All I
thought was needed was a scaled down version. I'd love to hear how you are
going to use this. I might have some suggestions, but most
I'm working on this.. please hang on. My method does not limit the travel to
the number of starts desired. So a 7 start 3 pitch is fine. 3 being normal,
7 being way out of the park if you consult Legacy's charts. Your might
introduce errors from memory and having to know I have to turn to
Thanks for the response, it helps me understand the level of our members.
Do you ever use that lathe? The legacy has a few short comings that are
resolved on a lathe. It's not just a screw machine like some ignorant people
always say.
-Tim
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From:
in May and your clock is
reading July?? Ive been on the road for a couple of weeks but didnıt know
I was gone that long.
On 7/25/14, 10:20 AM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
The membership list is private. The list does not support geographical
locations. Your best bet is to post
They sound like the main drive and standard duplex gear for the old woodchuck
model (MA-12). Yes Legacy made a change to the gear count during the middle of
the model 900's. I don't know why, I could only guess that reduced tooth count
on the newer machines (larger teeth) decreased
Did this chuck work? I can't find it on Grizzly's site. What's the part
number or link? My only concern is what's the swing of the whole piece and
does it need a drawbar to stay in place? The legacy is not designed to pound a
2mt object into the headstock. You have to be nice to the socket
Found it on Grizzly's site. Are you sure it has a #2MT?
-Tim
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From: Tim Krause
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: time for a question or two..
Did this chuck work? I can't find
16lbs is a lot of extra weight, but your headstock can easily take it. I don't
like the idea that it's unbalanced. Grinding away a $200 fixture really makes
my mind go crazy. I would think you could fabricate something much smaller in
your shop. In fact it's something I've given quite a
Hi Tim
I guess on a Legacy you might not miss it but on a lathe then that would be a
problem. As long as you have a suitable thread for attaching items.
Regards
Euro Roger
From: Tim Krause
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:02 AM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
Subject
I've been thinking about this one more tonight. It can be made to work inboard
very easily. I don't like big thing inboard because the damage that could
happen to a router bit could be a bad thing. In my mind we really only need 20
and 24 hole patterns on a index plate. I don't get the
If the work is a 1, 2, or 4 start, the lazy mans version is to notice the
starting point of the lead screw and work. Open the split nut and return the
carriage to this position. Now open the cam clamp and rotate the work 180
degrees or 90 degrees. This all assumes you are using the drive
You forgot the attachment
- Original Message -
From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: time for a question or two..
this is a photo of the headstock on our killinger
Hey Curt, further down that thread shows me making plugs. Keep reading the
whole thread.
-Tim
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From: Tim Krause
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tricks needed.
Use the rotary table to cut
'
members contacts, meaning central Calif. I only personally know one
other owner, Marcus in San Jose Ca. and do not think he is a member.
CheersTom Dotta Hollister Calif.
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Don Butler has added a marker to our
Don Butler has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message: 1200XL (Extra Long)
-Tim
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Is it safe to say we all generally have drill presses in our shop or access to
one? How about Forstner bit sets that range up to 2? I'm working on
developing a project and I want it to be accessible to most. If you don't have
either, drop me a personal message. artmarb...@comcast.net .
I
Those do work well on lathes when you have a light touch. I've never tried one
out on the Legacy, but I would think the same rules apply. A hose clamp could
work as well as a ring in our modern day times.
-Tim
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From: CURTIS GEORGE
To:
Why would I need a sacrificial pen mandrel? Do you think the pen would be too
large of a diameter if you went the full depth of the barley twist bit? I
really have not worked out the details which I asked if it had been done.
-Tim
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From: rookie
To:
Hey Bill,
A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit to do
pens. I see a 7557 bit that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth of 3/32.
That should work for a pen. Has any one tried a single or a double start
barley twist on a pen?
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Hey Bill,
A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley
and for
smaller
multi start spirals
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and a pineapple but only do a very shallow cut and make the patterns with
just the point of the bit so there are many options to try
Bill
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Can it be setup for left or right handed people?
-Tim
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From: Bill Bulkeley
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: revo for sale on Portland Craigslist
Somebody grab this one don't let it go by,
intend to motorize
mine so i don't see it as a problem Bill
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Subject: Re: revo
Here's an 1800 for $3000 on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/wood-working-Legacy-ornamental-mill-1200-/221409901285?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
I don't see the standard gears or any accessories and none where noted.
-Tim
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Cc: joe biunno
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014
This is going to be trickier than I thought. We also need to take into account
the stock number of indexes available to the average user. I have a chart of
indexes on a hidden page.
http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/index_system/index.html
-Tim
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Oh, then there is of course Mike Pung's version of indexing that claims to meet
any index need. I don't know if that is true. For example, can it work out a
62 index cut?
http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/pungs_index_method/pungs_index_method.html
Man, even more to
was thinking it was
high School Geometry, but it may have been from Legacy.
Jeff Becker
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https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/New%20folder%20(2)
under basic milling techniques 3 and 4
Bill
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I don't see the gears and the red index gear is not a factory option that I'm
aware of. I do see an old Nova chuck, I hope the hubs and drive is sitting
around somewhere.
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday,
Yes he is. I don't recall him ever posting but i've had a few offline chats
with him.
-Tim
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:28 PM
Subject: router
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Subject: Re: New guy here
Of course this is one of those it's there for me moments
There's a long message thread in a router forum about this machine. It came
out about the same time as the Revo if I recall.
-Tim
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 7:10 PM
Thomas Ellis has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message: Glouster 1200
I have no idea where Glouster is :-)
Also added
BillinGA has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message: 900-McDonough GA
Thanks for adding markers!
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There's 66 markers on the map that I'm seeing. I have one other simple
suggestion. Your browser may not be viewing the current version of the page.
Wild guess here, hit F5 on your keyboard to Refresh or Reload the page.
Roger, I found your other marker. You have one by the words United
Roger has been holding back a little or I just happened to catch this while he
is still developing his site. I'm assuming this was developed as a European
model that can be shipped mostly flat to avoid higher shipping costs. What's
the story Rodger?
Of course this is one of those it's there for me moments. It did take about 5
seconds for the map to show up. I do agree with all of those southern folks
that recently popped up, it would be good. Don't forget to zoom the map in
before you place your pin.
-Tim
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It's a 1500 for sure. It has the 2x multiplier gear installed but I don't see
any other gears. Also the split nut for the x-axis is missing. The handle on
the left side of the router is missing as well as the depth stop rod. The
headstock is the standard delrin version. The ball bearing
My cycle-start used to be driving to the shop, cracking a Porter and figuring
out what I was going to build today if the sun did not distract me :-) That's
an artist life, spending all night dreaming and sketching and motivating or
preventing yourself from getting distracted so you can get
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From: mwfos...@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: Shipping items - small or LARGE - info
Hello all,
Over a year ago, I initiated a post here asking if anyone had experience with
shipping items cross-country (large, bulky and or heavy
The split nut base for the x and y axis are different for the 900. If the
previous owner sourced the parts from a model 1000, they are also different.
Did you call legacy and ask for the split nut components?
-Tim
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From: o2pi...@gmail.com
To:
I have a temporary link to the 900 manual.
http://ornamentalmills.com/uploads/legacy_%20manual_200_900_1200_1800.pdf
-Tim
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From: Bill Bulkeley
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: legacy manual
others. I would like to purchase plans if they are available.
Monte
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Subject
Manual for the stand that will correct how the tool holder rails go.
http://www.legacywoodworking.com/PDFs/Floorstand.PDF
You do not have the z-axis upgrade. However I notice that you have the longer
rails on your carriage that was set up for the z-axis upgrade. Your carriage
is designed
Steve,
Noticed a couple other things. The shaft collars go on the lead screws. One
on each slide of the split nut. There should be 4 total. You have the updated
headstock which means there are bearings in the headsock instead of Delrin
bushings. You have the additional direction gear. I
If you have not figured it out yet, the left and right hand gears control the
direction of the spiral. I think what curt is seeing in the corner of the box
is just a face plate, not a legacy component. The tools are all standard allen
wrenches. The manual should answer a lot of questions.
For a moment I thought you where giving up sunny Oregon for Hawaii :-).
-Tim
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From: Milt on Gmail
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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Milt
1. Torque will not change with the speed since the gearing is creating the
power - on a geared motor that is. On a DC motor with variable speed you will
see a drop in torque as the speed is reduced.
2. Correct to some degree. To slow and you will end up burning the wood and
dulling the
The added speed over Legacy's specified motor helps with a cleaner cut.
Especially on small diameter work pieces. Generally I run the motor at half
speed for most procedures.
-Tim
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Ignore this message.
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That's an easy one. When you get to the page that has the discussions, simply
scroll down and more topics will be loaded. Google removed the links to load
older topics.
-Tim
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday,
Hello Steve and Mac,
I don't have an electronic version of the 900/1200/1800 manual available. I've
been working on that one for a while. I have to agree with Mac that pictures
of what you have might be faster to us or me to lead you to what you actually
need and parts identification. It's
Steve,
Legacy probably does have the handle and the index gear that goes on the
spindle. It's the same parts used on the new Evolution. The lower part of the
split nut might be questionable, but asking is free. I would wait until you
know what you need before calling.
-Tim
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Thanks for the contribution. That is a very early model 1200 manual. It's
also a version that I have not personally seen. I have seen two other manual
versions for the 1200. They basically updated the follower from acrylic to
steel and changed the index gear pitch on the newer models.
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From: Tim Krause
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: New Evolution
Also keep in mind the maximum tilt with the gears engaged is probably
around 2-1/2º. Much more
Also keep in mind the maximum tilt with the gears engaged is probably around
2-1/2º. Much more than that and the gears will bind. If the Evo is like the
other machines, the bed will tilt much farther than what the gears will allow.
-Tim
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From:
Regarding the chuck issue. Does the manual illustrate or mention using a 1
shaft collar to tighten the chuck against? This spaces the chuck further away
from the headstock and provides a mount that is truer than screwing the chuck
to the end of the threads on the spindle.
The gears should
Correction, max tilt on the bed with the gears engaged is 1º. This is looking
at the specs on Legacy's site.
-Tim
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From: Tim Krause
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: New Evolution
Also
Hey, it's one thing to steal images from Legacy, buy from little ole me!
http://ornamentalmills.com/tips/hs_ts_tuneup/index.html
Plus the ad mentions a Craftsman router, not the Porter cable shown with the
eliminator chuck in use. Heck, even the stock 900 photo is not right. Is it
really
That's a repost from the summer. He was asking more than retail and was not
very responsive when it came to emails.
-Tim
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From: Begat
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:56 PM
Subject: Revo in Portland for an
You are correct Curt. This is not the first time the machine has been listed
on Ebay. I sent a note to the seller letting them know the machine is not a
model 1000 but I did not get any reply and there has been no change in the
listing details.
None of this is true.
a.. 3.5 thick by 14
80 in theory. That unit looks short to me for some reason.
-Tim
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From: Dexter Bland
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: It Gets No Better: A 1500 in Altamonte Spring, Fl for $500
What is
I don't see a problem with how the lovejoy connector is mounted.
-Tim
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From: jwb...@windstream.net
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Cc: finun...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: mill on ebay
The concern I would have on this
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