Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-14 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Thu, 9 May 2002, civileme wrote: Brian Parish wrote: OK - apologies for casting aspersions in my dark colleague's direction. My blood temperature tends to rise too fast for my brain to cope with sometimes. But what can I say - I'm Australian - we live to piss people off! ;-)

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-11 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Sat, 11 May 2002 03:52:15 +0100, Derek Byram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 11 May 2002 03:28, you wrote: On Friday 10 May 2002 17:05, Derek Byram opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: i won't argue the dumb part, but i will point out that in

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-10 Thread darklord
On Friday 10 May 2002 12:20 am, you wrote: T'was indeed a humorous jab, but then my sense of humor may be a little different ;-) Thought so! ;-) And I'm sure you are indeed a nice guy - but then - you have a gun, so I'd just better say that eh? :-))) ;-) (just for the record though

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-10 Thread shane
On Friday 10 May 2002 17:05, Derek Byram opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: i won't argue the dumb part, but i will point out that in his book billyg says that the next big advancement in computers will come when we find a fast easy way to factor

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-10 Thread Derek Byram
On Saturday 11 May 2002 03:28, you wrote: On Friday 10 May 2002 17:05, Derek Byram opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: i won't argue the dumb part, but i will point out that in his book billyg says that the next big advancement in computers will come

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-09 Thread Brian Parish
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:09, shane wrote: On Wednesday 08 May 2002 00:42, Miark opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Hey, (in-the-)Dark, if you are going to rely on the NRA for unbiased info on guns and the law in Australia, why not go all the way

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-09 Thread civileme
Brian Parish wrote: OK - apologies for casting aspersions in my dark colleague's direction. My blood temperature tends to rise too fast for my brain to cope with sometimes. But what can I say - I'm Australian - we live to piss people off! ;-) I'll try to play nice from here on - but don't

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-09 Thread Brian Parish
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 02:13, darklord wrote: On Wednesday 08 May 2002 02:25 am, you wrote: Hey, (in-the-)Dark, if you are going to rely on the NRA for unbiased info on guns and the law in Australia, why not go all the way and go read the Microsoft site for unbiased data on Windows. You

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread David
daRcmaTTeR said onto me: -- snip | |Brian, | |Thats a terrible thing to say. even for Billy-bob. sure the guy is evil |but geeZ. That's rather harsh. Maybe the poor bugger simply doesn't know |any different. poor dumb

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread FemmeFatale
Marc wrote: A interisting point to ponder is that from what I have heard the crime rate in Kenasaw Georga before passing that local ordance was extremely high compared to the rest of the state of georgia but after that law was in place for 3 months the crime rate had droped to way below

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 03:16, FemmeFatale wrote: Gun restriction laws in canada mean we have fewer crimes per capita than the US Our murder rates are far lower by city/per capita too. Simple fact: Guns kill ppl. Access to them does same. End of story here in Canada. *dons the flame

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread Miark
Gun restriction laws in canada mean we have fewer crimes per capita than the US Our murder rates are far lower by city/per capita too. That's not true. The murder rate in Canada was tiny compared to the States' _before_ the restrictive laws came into effect. Canada has less violent crime

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Mon, 6 May 2002 22:32:21 -0400, darklord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 06:53 pm, you wrote: A interisting point to ponder is that from what I have heard the crime rate in Kenasaw Georga before passing that local ordance was extremely high compared to the rest of

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 04:43, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: How do you know that? Have you lived in Australia or Britain? Have you actually looked at the official statistics or simply some biased interpretation by the National Redneck Association [sorry, couldn't resist ;)]? The Australian Bureau

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
EhI forgot to include this in the last post. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/gun-ethics.html LX On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 04:43, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: How do you know that? Have you lived in Australia or Britain? Have you actually looked at the official statistics or simply some

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-07 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On 7 May 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 03:16, FemmeFatale wrote: Gun restriction laws in canada mean we have fewer crimes per capita than the US Our murder rates are far lower by city/per capita too. Simple fact: Guns kill ppl. Access to them does same. End of

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread Tibbetts, Ric
Title: RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove? -Original Message-From: Myers, Dennis R NWO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:46 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-07 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Tue, 7 May 2002, David wrote: daRcmaTTeR said onto me: -- snip | |Brian, | |Thats a terrible thing to say. even for Billy-bob. sure the guy is evil |but geeZ. That's rather harsh. Maybe the poor bugger simply

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread David
daRcmaTTeR said onto me: -- |On Tue, 7 May 2002, David wrote: | | | | daRcmaTTeR said onto me: | -- | snip | | | |Brian, | | | |Thats a terrible thing

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-07 Thread shane
On Tuesday 07 May 2002 00:26, David opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Come on now..Don't get me wrong, I support that guy in NO way. But if there are two things in this world he is not they are: _poor_ or _dumb_. i won't argue the dumb part, but

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-07 Thread Brian Koppe
Read the book More Guns, Less Crime There was a LOT of research put into that book and it shows, quite well, that what you just claimed is not true. I submit to you the case of Switzerland. Every male in Switzerland is REQUIRED to own a gun - yet they have incredibely low crime there too.

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Michael . Hughes
Other states have better gun laws than this state (read: less restrictive on law abiding tax paying citizens), such as Texas, Tennessee, and a few others I can't remember. Here in Georgia, in the city I live in Kennesaw, GA there is a city ordinance that you cannot live inside the city

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Brian Parish
How about we save the pro-gun shit for the IamaHickWhoLikesToKill mail list. This list is about linux - or it was. On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 22:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other states have better gun laws than this state (read: less restrictive on law abiding tax paying citizens), such as

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Mon, 6 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other states have better gun laws than this state (read: less restrictive on law abiding tax paying citizens), such as Texas, Tennessee, and a few others I can't remember. Here in Georgia, in the city I live in Kennesaw, GA there is a city

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Tommy Eaton
Sounds like someone has a bad case of the Mondays... -Source: Office Space -Original Message- From: Brian Parish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:47 AM To: newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ? How about we

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread darklord
On Monday 06 May 2002 09:07 am, you wrote: On 6 May 2002, Brian Parish wrote: How about we save the pro-gun shit for the IamaHickWhoLikesToKill mail list. This list is about linux - or it was. wow! someone isn't very happy this morning .hope your day gets better as it goes along Brian.

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Brian Parish
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 23:48, darklord wrote: Really. I own a gun... I've never killed anyone with it yet... ;-) Look, I know that the attitude to guns is a little different in the USA and I make no comment as to whether that's right, wrong, or whatever. I just can't understand why it's

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread shane
On Monday 06 May 2002 08:35, Brian Parish opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: I guess being forced to own a weapon to live in a certain town just made me so incredulous that...well I'm just blown away that any society could think that was normal or OK.

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 12:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Oh, come on Richard ! - On my screen I see no foam at all. Lyvim was merely answering a naive question concerning the fact that I'm now a criminal, because I eradicated windows from my laptop. Furthermore, it seems that I'm a communist,

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread civileme
Tommy Eaton wrote: Sounds like someone has a bad case of the Mondays... -Source: Office Space -Original Message- From: Brian Parish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:47 AM To: newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Brian Parish
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 01:49, shane wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 08:35, Brian Parish opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: I guess being forced to own a weapon to live in a certain town just made me so incredulous that...well I'm just blown away that any

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread Marc
5/6/02 5:29:49 PM, Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 01:49, shane wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 08:35, Brian Parish opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: I guess being forced to own a weapon to live in a certain town just made

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread FemmeFatale
Brian Parish wrote: How about we save the pro-gun shit for the IamaHickWhoLikesToKill mail list. This list is about linux - or it was. So agree Brian. :) I'm all for freedom of speech but the politicizing on this issue can go on forever. Quit now while you're all behind. :) -- Femme

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-06 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On 7 May 2002, Brian Parish wrote: On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 01:49, shane wrote: On Monday 06 May 2002 08:35, Brian Parish opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: I guess being forced to own a weapon to live in a certain town just made me so incredulous

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread shane
On Monday 06 May 2002 17:35, daRcmaTTeR opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: As long as you reserve one of them for use on Bill Gates, who could argue? ;-) I must say I don't follow the logic of guns buying freedom of sexual expression - not the way

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread darklord
On Monday 06 May 2002 05:19 pm, you wrote: Ummm, actually you don't have to hunt that far for a maillist for this purpose. Fire up Google and find Geeks with Guns The leader is Eric S. Raymond, last I looked. Civileme Haha - thats funny! I had the privelage of meeting Mr. Raymond on

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-06 Thread darklord
On Monday 06 May 2002 06:53 pm, you wrote: A interisting point to ponder is that from what I have heard the crime rate in Kenasaw Georga before passing that local ordance was extremely high compared to the rest of the state of georgia but after that law was in place for 3 months the crime

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-05 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Saturday 04 May 2002 12:38 pm, RichardA wrote: What a load of crap. I don't subscribe to this list to see pro gun zealots foaming at the mouth about murdering petty criminals. I dare say some of my political views would upset you. You'll notice I don't subject you to them. RichardA Oh,

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-05 Thread adrian
On Saturdayen den 4 May 2002 05.41, you wrote: On Sat, 4 May 2002 03:46:15 +0200, Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Makes me sad, Lyvim. What happened to the land of the free ? We europeans (well, most of us) have great admiration for the United States of America. Mostly because you

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-05 Thread adrian
On Saturdayen den 4 May 2002 09.21, you wrote: daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Sat, 4 May 2002, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Makes me sad, Lyvim. What happened to the land of the free ? We europeans (well, most of us) have great admiration for the United States of America. Mostly because you kicked

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread FemmeFatale
Derek Byram wrote: a 147 break in snooker always starts with a pot on a single red ;-) -- derek the lurker - essex england - linux user 264346 very true for a 149 break. An extremely rare event I've heard. :) now keep on posting Lurker-wannabe! -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made:

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread Henry B. Wangle Jr.
On Friday 03 May 2002 23:53, you wrote: Normally I lurk but this time I have to Say a Well Said along with a Amen to that . I Bend but I do not break to eventually spring back with much force Unidentified French Underground Fighter. There is a war going on to deemphasize the

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 16:13, ed Tharp wrote: what ever happened to the concept of average and reasonable as in; if the average and reasonable person believes they have purchased a CD when they pay their money and leave the store, and does not find out until after having broke the

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-04 Thread FemmeFatale
daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Sat, 4 May 2002, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Makes me sad, Lyvim. What happened to the land of the free ? We europeans (well, most of us) have great admiration for the United States of America. Mostly because you kicked the oppressors out, wrote a brand new

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sat, 2002-05-04 at 03:52, Henry B. Wangle Jr. wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 23:53, you wrote: Normally I lurk but this time I have to Say a Well Said along with a Amen to that . I Bend but I do not break to eventually spring back with much force Unidentified French Underground

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread Todd Slater
On Sat, 4 May 2002 03:46:15 +0200 Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Since they now control the Department of Justice via bribe money, payoffs, and soft money (legal bribe money) I would assume then that they have already merged.

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-04 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Sat, 4 May 2002, RichardA wrote: What a load of crap. I don't subscribe to this list to see pro gun zealots foaming at the mouth about murdering petty criminals. I dare say some of my political views would upset you. You'll notice I don't subject you to them. RichardA foaming at the

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-04 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Sat, 4 May 2002, Alastair Scott wrote: On Saturday 04 May 2002 11:38 am, RichardA wrote: What a load of crap. I don't subscribe to this list to see pro gun zealots foaming at the mouth about murdering petty criminals. I dare say some of my political views would upset you. You'll

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-04 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On 4 May 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 18:46, David wrote: Well, this has worked sometimes (for a friend, of course--I would never do something like this)... When making your copies of some microshit, instead of just copying disk-to-disk, copy all files to

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-04 Thread Derek Byram
On Saturday 04 May 2002 07:39, you wrote: Derek Byram wrote: a 147 break in snooker always starts with a pot on a single red ;-) -- derek the lurker - essex england - linux user 264346 very true for a 149 break. An extremely rare event I've heard. :) now keep on posting

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 17:52, Robin Turner wrote: Not quite. Back in the 18th and 19th centuries there was the East India Company, which successfully colonised most of the Indian subcontinent, and was only absorbed into the British Empire after a mutiny of its native soldiers resutled in

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 12:26, daRcmaTTeR wrote: Damian, sadly, historically americans haven't taken notice to something about to eat them for lunch until it has them on it's dinner plate and us about to start cutting. _thats_ usually when the thing is taken seriously and action is taken.

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 04:35, Mcleod, Ian wrote: I would like to send some 'pirated' software to Micro$oft to prove that I am not an evil civilisation destroying Linux geek. Unopened or 'off the press' pirated software is best - as it shows how little we want this junk that we won't even take

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 14:01, Miark wrote: What ms considers to be illegal is the following: I buy a machine with preinstalled windows I uninstall windows and install a real os I sell/give the version of windows that came with the machine to someone else What ms wants is

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 09:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M$ can only screw you if you let them. Personally I don't give a rats A$$ about M$ or their products. The only reason I still have M$ is to play the couple of games I like to play. Oh I don't even read the licensee agreement that M$

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread civileme
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 02:12, Damian G wrote: Well, someone who cannot post to the list because his ISP is out picking daisies and not supplying reverse resolution sent me a missive pointing out that no one buys Windows. It is a license one buys, nothing more. hi

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Michael . Hughes
I hear that... If it does go Enron then they also have to prove I have that on my systems, at which time will have nothing but Mandrake, Redhat, SuSe, or anyone of the other flavors out there. Believe me I am not paying a dime to that co, nor am I going to jail for them either. But, none

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Randy Kramer
Damian G wrote: i'll hunt down the links later, if i find it, i'll post the link where i found a snip of that judge's resolution.. Here is a link to a page with links to other pages (sorry about that ;-) that deal with rulings oveturning the validity of at least some claims in an EULA. (Note

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-03 Thread daRcmaTTeR
Civ does have a point. According to the EULA, you do NOT own the software; you are only granted a license to use the software at MicroShaft's behest. When you buy the CD, you are indeed buying a license. Now wether you decide to USE that license or not at whatever time in the future is up

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Femme
On Fri, 3 May 2002 10:56:50 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line is that no matter what you or I consider ethically right with respect to what we bought, we both are legally bound by the terms of use of the authors (copyrighters) wether we like that or not.

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-03 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Femme wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002 10:56:50 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line is that no matter what you or I consider ethically right with respect to what we bought, we both are legally bound by the terms of use of the authors

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread ed Tharp
what ever happened to the concept of average and reasonable as in; if the average and reasonable person believes they have purchased a CD when they pay their money and leave the store, and does not find out until after having broke the shrinkwrap that the did NOT purchase a CD but instead

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear that... If it does go Enron then they also have to prove I have that on my systems, at which time will have nothing but Mandrake, Redhat, SuSe, or anyone of the other flavors out there. Believe me I am not paying a dime to that co, nor

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread David
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said onto me: -- |I hear that... | |If it does go Enron then they also have to prove I have that on my systems, |at which time will have nothing but Mandrake, Redhat, SuSe, or anyone of the |other flavors

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Since they now control the Department of Justice via bribe money, payoffs, and soft money (legal bribe money) I would assume then that they have already merged. Both them and susceptible members of congress. MSUSA is already a reality;

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Derek Byram
On Saturday 04 May 2002 02:46, you wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: SNIP Question : What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ? Answer : A brilliant start Kaj Haulrich Denmark not enough lawyers :( -- derek the lurker Want to buy your Pack

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Saturday 04 May 2002 04:16 am, Derek Byram wrote: On Saturday 04 May 2002 02:46, you wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: SNIP Question : What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ? Answer : A brilliant start Kaj Haulrich Denmark not enough

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Derek Byram
On Saturday 04 May 2002 03:33, you wrote: On Saturday 04 May 2002 04:16 am, Derek Byram wrote: On Saturday 04 May 2002 02:46, you wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: SNIP Question : What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ? Answer : A

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Derek Byram
On Saturday 04 May 2002 03:33, you wrote: On Saturday 04 May 2002 04:16 am, Derek Byram wrote: On Saturday 04 May 2002 02:46, you wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: SNIP Question : What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ? Answer : A

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-03 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Sat, 4 May 2002, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Makes me sad, Lyvim. What happened to the land of the free ? We europeans (well, most of us) have great admiration for the United States of America. Mostly because you kicked the oppressors out, wrote a brand new Constitution - and took it seriously !

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Sat, 4 May 2002 03:46:15 +0200, Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Makes me sad, Lyvim. What happened to the land of the free ? We europeans (well, most of us) have great admiration for the United States of America. Mostly because you kicked the oppressors out, wrote a brand new

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 18:46, David wrote: Well, this has worked sometimes (for a friend, of course--I would never do something like this)... When making your copies of some microshit, instead of just copying disk-to-disk, copy all files to your HD. Then find the file named

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-03 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 21:46, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 03 May 2002 08:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Since they now control the Department of Justice via bribe money, payoffs, and soft money (legal bribe money) I would assume then that they have already merged. Both them and

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread FemmeFatale
civileme wrote: giant snip *Hugs ya* HI :) And Yes you do have power. Build your own systems. Let the manufacturers who ship Windows and support Microsoft so steadfastly twist in the wind. Buy from their competitiors if they offer pre-installed linux. I do. Believe me. Refuse to let

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread daRcmaTTeR
Here is a thought. Why don't people uninstall Windows, then email the whole package in little files back to M$. That should screw up their mail-servers for a few months, and suggest that they should spend the next 3 or more years quietly working on a way to email their hardware back to them

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread Damian G
On Thu, 2 May 2002 12:57:13 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 02 May 2002 10:13, FemmeFatale wrote: civileme wrote: giant snip *Hugs ya* HI :) And Yes you do have power. Build your own systems. Let the manufacturers who ship Windows and support

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Wed, 1 May 2002, civileme wrote: That's right. You do not own your computer if you use windows because you can do only what is permitted by the EULA. Some versions of the EULA that you click to agree to allow Microsoft to modify the EULA without notice. This happened to many folks who

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 05:57, Robin Turner wrote: Here in Turkey you normally get a computer installed with a pirate copy of Windows! Sir Robin Here in the US, there's a version of XP running around that has all M internet contact ability ripped out of the core. It installs without

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Wed, 1 May 2002, FemmeFatale wrote: What M$ wants isn't fair still IMO. That means that you don't own that OS. Your example is *considering this is M$'s logic if it is true* flawed. Basically taht means my Pre-loaded OS isn't mine to sell, keep or give away with my hardware or w/out

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread --hybrid
not only in yurkey my friend , not only there :) !!! swiss aren't the legalest too ... and you can install every version of XP you want , there are thousands of good tools out there , to keep your XP in your box and don't let it send anything out you don't want to be sent ... ! at least i hate

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-02 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Robin Turner wrote: Here in Turkey you normally get a computer installed with a pirate copy of Windows! Sir Robin ROFLMAO... ha! i hope they're listening...Robin, that was great! -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-02 Thread civileme
daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Robin Turner wrote: On Wednesday 01 May 2002 21:45, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: [snip] I too agree. If I buy a car and drive it till it is rust, I can remove engine transmission, seats and what ever else is salvageable and sell them individually. They were

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-02 Thread Damian G
On Thu, 02 May 2002 21:36:36 -0800 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Robin Turner wrote: On Wednesday 01 May 2002 21:45, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: [snip] I too agree. If I buy a car and drive it till it is rust, I can remove engine transmission,

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 23:13, Femme wrote: Complete story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html Those links' content make me want to be sick. The more I hear about M$ and their tactics the more I desire their whole company to be dismantled properly Sold. sigh

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread civileme
Femme wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this article. Linux Today: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-04-30-018-26-PS-MS-LL Complete story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html Those links' content make me want to

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread A V Flinsch
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:13 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this article. Linux Today: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-04-30-018-26-PS-MS-LL Complete story:

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Femme wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this article. Linux Today: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-04-30-018-26-PS-MS-LL Complete story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Wed, 1 May 2002, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:13 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this article. Linux Today: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-04-30-018-26-PS-MS-LL Complete

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread Miark
What ms considers to be illegal is the following: I buy a machine with preinstalled windows I uninstall windows and install a real os I sell/give the version of windows that came with the machine to someone else What ms wants is that when I sell or give away the machine, I must

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-01 Thread Myers, Dennis R NWO
Title: RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miark Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread Diego GarcĂ­a
I agree with these too, Windows is to expensive for final consumers, More in countries like Colombia, or other third world countries. daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Wed, 1 May 2002, Miark wrote: What ms considers to be illegal is the following: I buy a machine with preinstalled windows I

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Miark wrote: What ms considers to be illegal is the following: I buy a machine with preinstalled windows I uninstall windows and install a real os I sell/give the version of windows that came with the machine to someone else What ms wants is that when I

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-01 Thread Damian G
On Thu, 2 May 2002 00:52:47 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 May 2002 21:45, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: [snip] I too agree. If I buy a car and drive it till it is rust, I can remove engine transmission, seats and what ever else is salvageable and sell them

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-01 Thread Mcleod, Ian
I am getting a 'naked' laptop soon - what a drama to get it! Dell have been quite good though. Does anyone have any stories to share regarding purchasing naked laptops? Ian McLeod Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-01 Thread Dennis Myers
On Wednesday 01 May 2002 06:35 pm, you wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002 00:52:47 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 May 2002 21:45, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: [snip] I too agree. If I buy a car and drive it till it is rust, I can remove engine transmission, seats

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-01 Thread Damian G
On Wed, 1 May 2002 22:35:24 -0500 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 May 2002 06:35 pm, you wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002 00:52:47 +0300 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 May 2002 21:45, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: [snip] I too agree. If I

RE: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove ?

2002-05-01 Thread Mcleod, Ian
PERSONAL EMAIL ONLY I live in Australia - same rubbish here except Australia seems to be used as a non-critical (i.e. small) market testing ground for new ways of controlling customers. Ian McLeod Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread FemmeFatale
magnet wrote: Here is a thought. Why don't people uninstall Windows, then email the whole package in little files back to M$. That should screw up their mail-servers for a few months, and suggest that they should spend the next 3 or more years quietly working on a way to email their

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread FemmeFatale
A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:13 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 What ms considers to be illegal is the following: I buy a machine with preinstalled windows I uninstall windows and install a real os I sell/give the version of windows that came

Re: [newbie] The Register: Preinstalled Windows Illegal to Remove?

2002-05-01 Thread FemmeFatale
daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Femme wrote: Femme, I smell what yer steppin. Sadly though there is a down side to that otherwise happy thought. All those poor drones that have been slaving away for MS all these years would be out of jobs. can you imagine what that would do

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