Actually I have no complaint on the *ist, not even the aperture coupling
thing because all my F/FA lenses will work. But the QC thing really got to
my nerve. Well... I should stop now as I have been repeating myself far too
many times (just hope the mesage would be passed to Japan though the Eng
Alan (and others making a fuss including myself) have bought new and
expensive
Pentax kit recently, so how has this helped with *ist compatibility issues?
Actually Pentax showed me how attractive the FAJ idea is by showing me the
faulty 'A' button. :-) [I am surprised I can still laugh]
regard
If you want Pentax to listen, then do something that directly effects their
bottom line - like buying something from them that is currently in
production.
I just did, with FA*200/2.8 & FA31/1.8. Both had QC problem and costed me
lots of time & energy to get the replaced or fixed. I doubt many in
"I have been reading the posts about this camera and wonder why so many,
perhaps most, of the members of this group are so interested in such a
crappy little thing?"
I won't buy a starkist. I might buy one for my wife if she needs another
body. She is now using my old ZX-50. I am, though, very int
On 8 Jun 2003 at 3:25, P Temmerman wrote:
> If you want Pentax to listen, then do something that directly effects their
> bottom line - like buying something from them that is currently in production.
Alan (and others making a fuss including myself) have bought new and expensive
Pentax kit rece
Who uses a Mac and a USB CF card reader. One that they're happy with,
of
course. I"m in the market, and prefer to not believe all the hype.
I use two: a Kingston multi-card reader that takes CF, Smartmedia, SD,
etc. It has two slots, one for CF and the other shared among the other
form factors.
They have already been doing it for a while, especially Tokina...
Pro in built quality perhaps, but the optics of Tokina is behind Sigma or
Tamron all these years. Or so I thought.
regards,
Alan Chan
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Actually if you noticed the threads on DPreview and
other places, ALOT of people who have never owned
Pentax would get it you use old screw mount lenses, as
the cost of a new AF 500mm lens isn't pretty.
--- Pål_Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Heiko wrote:
>
> > This is something, that I coul
Heiko wrote:
> This is something, that I could accept. I did never mind the crippled
> mount on a MZ-30/50/60, as there is no need to buy such a camera. But I
> can't understand, why cost cutting is an argument on a 2000,- DLSR. What
> might that saving be? 10,- Euro/US$?
My guess is that t
Roland Mabo wrote:
>
>Many here assumes that the *ist D is not going to be as
good as Nikon or
>Canons DSLR's. I wonder how people will react if it simply
outperforms the
>Nikon D100 and the Canon 10D in terms of image quality...
Hi Roland,
It will use the same Sony (?) CCD chip as the D100 (thi
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
When
> third party
> lens makers produce "Pro" quality lenses for not much more than Pentax
> produces consumer
> quality lenses who's do you think
If these cameras can use A lenses they support 99% of the old
protocol. Leaving out
the last 1% is not a cost saving, it's a scheme to sell new lenses. When
third party
lens makers produce "Pro" quality lenses for not much more than Pentax
produces consumer
quality lenses who's do you think ne
- Original Message -
From: "Heiko Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
> This is something, that I could accept. I did never mind the crippled
> mount on a MZ-30/50/60, as there is no need to buy such a camera. But I
> can't understand, w
>We were riding a
>Yam FZR400 and the light weight and relatively low horsepower made it
>easy to outrun the bigger, more powerful bikes on the wet asphalt. I
>have *never* had more fun on a race track.
>
>Later, a friend of mine described my mood after the race thusly: "I've
>never seen anyone get
Hi Pål,
on 07 Jun 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
>> I cannot see why the abandonment of the aperture simulator should
>> help implementing IS or USM. If they need a new protocol to implement
>You're basically right. However, the lack of cmpatibility is a cost issue
>first and foremost in case of t
Artur wrote:
There is NO, and I mean NO, sign of implementing image stabilisation or/and
USM motors from Pentax in any reasonably near future. Such implementation
exists only in the virtual reality of our list, it's nothing but our wishful
thinking. Yet the signs of abandoning the compatibility ar
Alan wrote:
2) Pentax will suffer a slow and painful death because most Pentax long time users
will abandon their good old K mount lenses for good (why stay with Pentax if they must
re-invest all over again?). Make sense? :-)
REPLY:
>From Pentax point of view people who are using 20+ year ol
Oooo! That has sort of a Lotus flavor, doesn't it? I do like it!
I'd love one in my stable, if I had one...a stable that is.
Thanks for the site URL. I'm going back for a good look.
keith
Cotty wrote:
>
> >> (I would love a Ginetta to run around in on sunny Sunday afternoons
> >> though - oops,
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Boy, you got that right! I used to road race motorcycles (which is a
>>less expensive hobby than racing cars) and could easily go through a few
>>hundred dollars in expenses per race weekend. That's money burned with
>>nothing to show for it.
>
>...except a huge
Hallo Cotty,
>Yery true, and I was extremely sad to have to let go my A*85mm f/1.4 -
>the best lens of all time in my very humble opinion. However, I am
>beginning to see that it may have been of limited value when attached to
>the *ist D.
>
The A lenses will work, only the K and M lenses will
> -Original Message-
> From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> i was out shooting today with a guy from Kodak and he said
> that the 14n's noise level is too high for landscape and
> nature photographers that need extra long shutter speeds.
> much below 1/4s and the noise becomes n
You might just get him fired this weekend. :-)
regards,
Alan Chan
i was out shooting today with a guy from Kodak and he said that the 14n's
noise level is too high for landscape and nature photographers that need
extra long shutter speeds. much below 1/4s and the noise becomes noticeably
worse
I feel the same. There is no doubt Canon has a much better designed and
integrated system, and I mean SYSTEM.
regards,
Alan Chan
I think you can remove Nikon from that equation. There are just as many
unknowns as to where they're going as there are with Pentax. That's why
a lot of people from bot
Simple. We are being treated like mushrooms
by Pentax (kept in the dark and fed on bull shit).
Last time the program I watched, they said they used horse shit. :-)
regards,
Alan Chan
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I was a bit unclear. I meant that the lens mount in the body might support
IS/VR and USM in the lenses and it might be too much to have support for
mechanical aperture too.
I see. :-) But that raise another question. To implement IS, Pentax might
run into a design limitation if they don't aban
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I raced an off-road racer in the 1990s - you wanna see a money pit?
>Campaign one of those for a couple of years! Buying DSLRs is peanuts.
>With the money spent over 5 years of building and racing, I could have
>bought half a dozen 1Ds's. Hey, photography is CHEAP
>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The *ist camera
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:13:09 +0300
I have been reading the posts about this camera and wonder why so many,
perhaps most, of the members of this group are so interested in such a
crappy little thing? We have the MZ-
Who uses a Mac and a USB CF card reader. One that they're happy with, of
course. I"m in the market, and prefer to not believe all the hype.
keith
Christian Skofteland wrote:
>
> On Friday 06 June 2003 14:20, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> > Cotty,
> >
> > I agree. I don't even consider using the camera
I thoguht a small Ginetta was a gin/rocks, with a twist!
keith
Cotty wrote:
>
> >what I don't understand (not from you, Don, but from other posts) is that
> >everyone is ready to run out and buy a 10D because the *ist-D is not
> >compatible with K and M lenses. Well guess what? Neither are the
Few will care. It has to be cheaper/smaller/lighter than the D100 and
10D. That's the area that Pentax competes in; not performance.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder how people will react if it simply outperforms the Nikon
D100 and the Canon 10D in terms of image quality...
x27;t take a profit.
Don
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- Original Message -
From: "Christian Skofteland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday
uddert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
> On 6 Jun 2003 at 16:55, Roland Mabo wrote:
>
> > That's something I dont understand too.
> > Many here assumes that the *ist D is not going to
Hi Christian,
on 06 Jun 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
>No. The older ones have just .JPG and the 550 has .TIF and .JPG
The 230 produces Tif, too.
Cheers, Heiko
>
> Do any of the Optio's output raw files?
>
> tv
No. The older ones have just .JPG and the 550 has .TIF and .JPG
Christian
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I think you can remove Nikon from that equation. There are
> just as many
> unknowns as to where they're going as there are with
> Pentax. That's why
> a lot of people from both camps are moving to Canon. If it
> gets t
"tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>> >- Software support for Canon raw files is widespread. At this point
>> > it's 0 for Pentax.
>>
>> Wouldn't be surprised if RAW for the Pentax were the same
>> as the Nikon's
>>
"Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There are so many sceptics because Pentax is all "if"s and Canon and Nikon are
>current and quantifiable options.
I think you can remove Nikon from that equation. There are just as many
unknowns as to where they're going as there are with Pentax. That'
-Original Message-
> From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> On Friday 06 June 2003 11:27, tom wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tell me who said the *ist-D wouldn't give good image
> quality? I expect
> > it will be in the same league as the 10D and D100.
> >
>
> Don wrote it in his o
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >- Software support for Canon raw files is widespread. At this point
> > it's 0 for Pentax.
>
> Wouldn't be surprised if RAW for the Pentax were the same
> as the Nikon's
> D100 if they do indeed use the same CCD.
C
On Friday 06 June 2003 11:27, tom wrote:
>
>
> Tell me who said the *ist-D wouldn't give good image quality? I expect
> it will be in the same league as the 10D and D100.
>
Don wrote it in his origianl post. I'm expecting the same as well which
makes me happy because I think both those cameras p
On 6 Jun 2003 at 16:55, Roland Mabo wrote:
> That's something I dont understand too.
> Many here assumes that the *ist D is not going to be as good as Nikon or
> Canons DSLR's. I wonder how people will react if it simply outperforms the Nikon
> D100 and the Canon 10D in terms of image quality...
"tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: Roland Mabo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> >From: "Christian Skofteland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Well guess what? Neither are the
>> >offerings
>> >from Canon and Nikon. You'll still need to replace ALL
>> your lenses, right
>> >Tom and Cotty?
>>
>> That
On 6 Jun 2003 at 8:25, Christian Skofteland wrote:
> what I don't understand (not from you, Don, but from other posts) is that
> everyone is ready to run out and buy a 10D because the *ist-D is not
> compatible with K and M lenses. Well guess what? Neither are the offerings
> from Canon and Niko
> -Original Message-
> From: Roland Mabo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >From: "Christian Skofteland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well guess what? Neither are the
> >offerings
> >from Canon and Nikon. You'll still need to replace ALL
> your lenses, right
> >Tom and Cotty?
>
> That's something
Użytkownik Roland Mabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał:
>Pentax has patented a KAF3 lens mount with support for IS and USM lenses.
Don't feel offended but calling for the patents we saw many times in the past years
make me laugh. We saw NOTHING more than them...
>They also have patented IS and USM
Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The fact that a lot of cameras have a crappy manual interface doesn't
>make me like it any better. If you are going to control the aperture
>from the body, you need a separate dial from the shutter dial - like
>the PZ-1p.
>
>That interface is a major reaso
From: "Christian Skofteland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:25:01 -0400
what I don't understand (not from you, Don, but from other posts) is that
everyone is ready to run out and buy a 10D because the *ist-D is not
compatible with
*ist - even
though I originally budgeted for one. I ended up getting an MX
instead. Oh, well - to each his own.
Bruce
Friday, June 6, 2003, 1:37:02 AM, you wrote:
>>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: The *ist camera
>>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:23:14
Christian Skofteland wrote:
> So, when anyone is ready to dump Pentax, I'd
> like first crack at their A and FA lenses!
http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/for_sale/items/
Thank you,
Boz
- Original Message -
From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> And to cap it all they will soon produce a digital twin that won't
> compare to those already available under other brand names.
>
> Don
How do you know it won't compare to Nikon or Canon? We have yet to see
image quali
Artur wrote:
AL> The evidences of the end of traditional Pentax era are clear. They have
AL> obviously started walking the Nikon-like path. But i fear that they are
AL> abandoning their old strengths without having the new ones.
AL> The next camera will be the answer...
The next camera might b
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
> I doubt that very much. Implementing IS/VR inside the body is not a very
> practical solution imho.
There's more IMHO...
There is NO, and I mean NO, sign of implementing
But, on the other hand - the new high-end model might not have support for
older lenses. If it has a new lens mount with support för internal lens
motors and image shock absorbtion/vibration reduction, then it may be too
complicated and too expensive to support both the new electrical features
From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:23:14 -0700
One thing that
I haven't heard much about that concerns me is the manual interface.
It appears that it works much like a ZX-50 or 30. Which means there
really is only one dial to
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The *ist camera
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:29:04 -0700
Since Pentax is going to push FAJ lenses from now on (judging from the spec
of *ist D), we could expect there will be another high end model to replace
the MZ-S. The only ca
Don,
I haven't gotten the impression that very many are jumping with
delight. There are a few, but mostly what I hear is disappointment in
the mount compatibility - especially with the *ist D. One thing that
I haven't heard much about that concerns me is the manual interface.
It appears that it
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