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ick the best route, which may be
to approach the destination from the other end and perhaps even indicate
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because it been to difficult to 'recover' it after systems stopped working.
So where would I head to get my hands on an XML dump of the current data
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tooth, https://github.com/jamesspittal/osqa-q2a offers a hope that there
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and adding tagging for particular processes will always be wrong. The
real problem is that there is no mechanism to add corrections in a
secondary system in much the same way as there is no translation system
for the key English elements of the data. Even IPA strings depend on the
context and accent t
one has an
'approved' way of adding it back?
Personally I think that micro-mapping complex junctions does require
multiple ways even if the planned routes through a junction can be
abused by taking the wrong path ...
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truggling with the lack of Firebug as the
replacement has problems with font sizes at least on linux and does not
provide some of the nice features Firebug STILL provides on my
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I find the practice of adding ANY tag that does not enhance the data as
pointless. There is no need to TAG that there is no number ... you just
don't add the tag ... just as the example here ...
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THAT CASE area=yes could be used to identify that there are associated
area objects that can be used on higher resolution mapping. I don't
think 'area:highway=' has place especially where the 'centerline' way is
used to combine several highway=xx
wever
no current method of converting all of these area elements into 'ways',
so one needs additional highway=xxx ways to provide the routing
information that provides the macro level view. So you do not want an
'area:highway=footpath' if there is a hi
y structures for a
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one thing, but 'FIXME' is clean and
changing them just because you can adds nothing to the data. Get on an
deal with them to remove them all together is the right tack ...
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rcing lowercase only tags? The fact that
'FIXME' and 'fixme' can exist on the same node just seems wrong in ANY case?
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continual churn of 'views of what is important' on a single static
map and I know the technology is there, just not the resources to
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ible. I think I know the answer, but should the API be able
to accept these ID's anyway? In an ideal world, the previous now hidden
data should perhaps be flagged when the ID is used?
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not have motorways at all? Certainly the current default rendering is
useless for many of us anyway so we have to ue an alternate anyway ...
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On 23/01/18 09:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2018-01-23 10:06 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine <mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>>:
Actually it's more likely to be the estate name so for my near by
estate it is messy since I've ended up using 'housenumber' so that
it
ered ) and 'property' would be the expanded
for. For 'unit' ... 'X' and 'Unit X' ... for office 'blocks' this may be
something like 'B4A' for 'Block B, Floor 4, Office A' or something
similar. Units on a storage site may well
agged in a way that you KNOW
just how it was generated, and can filter the 'social media'
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On 21/11/17 04:02, Marc Gemis wrote:
> I'll agree with Yuri that is has to be the choice of the mapper to
> work in a specific region and not the challenge creator.
I stopped using MapRoulette simply because it was taking me well out of
my comfort zone ...
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On 02/11/17 10:34, Warin wrote:
> On 02-Nov-17 09:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 02/11/17 09:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>> ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this.
>> I think the problem is similar to the multiple areas problem. There are
>>
, rather than implying different interpretations on existing tags
depending on where they are used?
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anning authorities have
requested as perhaps a barrier or simply as an amenity ... or has been
preserved as it has been there for hundreds of years ...
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combined with 'grassland' and other natural or managed landcover. We can
define landuse=park, but that park can have a lot of detail contained
within it ... We are looking to render blocks of trees, grass, and other
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What is currently missing is a clean set of guidelines for using any
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the same object class and is nearby" is not very
> good and error prone. This could be a human-curated process, e.g. ask
> the user to help deciding which Wikipedia articles does this object
> represent, and offer some likely candidates, but it shouldn't be
> automatic. I
s
from the wikidata bot's? Even if it is OSM bots that are doing the
processing. The annoying thing here is that the hierarchy of places that
wikidata provides could be useful to OSM searches ... but it still needs
the likes of Nominatim and/or GeoNames to cross reference that data
which provi
is an independent and unrelated project
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f the place data that overlays
that, so OSM only needs to use the wikidata namespace for all of that
material. I don't think that the idea of 'bot' space actually fits into
that model as it is the unique ID that is fixed and 'bot' tags either
need to be acces
a during the UK group push on it there were often a
lot of corrections made to get the right 'set' of data on a school
object. While only a small number of objects were actually wrong, that
is enough to justify needing a manual cross check of some sort.
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should probably have an object for that with links to Highgate cemetery
and OSM could have a complete set of all gravestones on the site, or
link to an external copy of that list.
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the ID of premises such as birth, death and activity locations that
overlay all the objects I'm working with. Premises listed on the UK
national census are a typical fairly reliable source I'm working with
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ts of objects, which can then be linked to bot's which
manage primary data such as the NSG's update reports adding new streets
and changes to location hierarchy. But I should prefer that this layer
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'another' cross-reference tool may be more appropriate with OSM and
wikipedia/wikidata simply being sources. THAT requires OSM to have a
'unique id' one can use to cross reference though :(
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tion pane (using the default desktop view)
AH - so it's stripped when you grab a printed copy of the article :(
There may be a link to Wikimedia Commons material, but not to wikidata
material in external links ... that is where I expected to find it ;)
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On 27/09/17 16:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 27 September 2017 at 16:06, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>>> While it is not yet complete, in what way is Wikdiata failing to be
>>> sufficiently reliable?
>>
>> Much of the work I did on wikipedia was stripped for all s
On 27/09/17 14:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 27 September 2017 at 14:28, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> wikidata provides a section which documents a range of LINKS which
>> identify the same object on other databases. It would be nice if there
>> was a stable identity on OS
edata become a more
reliable source of such data. Just a single link to a substantial set of
additional data.
So ... where does 'brand:' come from? Should this not simply be 'link:'?
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took a couple
of minutes to find the right location to see what data was in OSM for
the collage and some material that has not yet made it into wikidata
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My old dedicated sat nav did a good job as well as handling hands free
calls on the N900 mobile. Modern options are going down hill fast and
can't even do the basics! Simple reception of a signal would be nice to
have once again ...
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x27;fastest' route
for UK rural areas - and get my blue motorway, green trunk and red
primary road back :)
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le Evesham area just
grinds to a halt. Stratford is just as bad and the new roads planned
will make things even worse rather than helping. We don't stand much
chance of designing a harmonized routing process when the planners can't
even fix the problems they create :(
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... what it should be using is a percentage,
so 5% would be tidy and 10% pushing where a traffic camera would be
'within tolerance'. Since speedometers are only required to be 'within
10%' currently ... you get the idea ;)
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On 22/08/17 17:19, Philip Barnes wrote:
>> called differently, but this is it:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical
>>
> Isn"t that going to be rather subjective?
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to the M5 and again 'shortest'
picks the quick route but then avoids the M5 as well :) Interesting ...
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7;s not just OSM routing
that gives problems, other routing engines are showing similar detours
around local 'shortcuts' ... so even within a single country
harmonization is a problem ...
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I see no way to harmonization world wide. Even for just 'trunk'. The
'rules' for a country or area need to cover the differences that apply
in that area? Just as the routing rules need to know France is Left Hand
and UK is Right ... with different default speed limits.
>
Importance can
depend on why you are using the road? Things like 'speed_limit' need to
be handled before adding another 'classification' tag?
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you may need to swap between languages ...
> On 22/04/2017 15:45, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 22/04/17 15:28, Dave F wrote:
>>> As they're parameters, the format can be standardised for the end user &
>>> any programme should be able to sort out syntax behin
me and it would not
take much for them to take box="w,s,e,n" as an alternative input. But
the range of 'standards' for passing parameters is the problem here not
simply what is being passed. With each OS and programming language
having it's own style of working there is
t no idea what the tool is supposed to do :)
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On 30/03/17 19:47, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 30/03/17 18:38, Lester Caine wrote:
>> Kind regards, Lester Caine
>
> *I* did not sent that email! Which is why it has another email address
> since forging my own would fall fowl of my spf record!
OK anybody know who to repor
On 30/03/17 18:38, Lester Caine wrote:
> Kind regards, Lester Caine
*I* did not sent that email! Which is why it has another email address
since forging my own would fall fowl of my spf record!
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> FWIW, I like the "-scape" suffix, e.g. OpenStreetscape:
Get's my vote Capital 'S' though OpenStreetScape
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the android phone, something that is becoming
worse rather than better. Even driving down the M5 I get gaps in
reception, so everything has to be local, which OSMAnd does a good job
of for most things ... just not B/unclassified roads :(
Docker is yet another infrastructure tool to get ones head arou
likes of yahoo and google ... just
leave working systems alone ...
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> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Lester Caine <mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> On 02/11/16 00:57, john whelan wrote:
> > If OSMand etc treat them differently then we may not be showing the
> > shortest ro
s ... and currently OSMAnd is simply wrong for the UK!
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> How about musical notation? We could sing our parcels to their
> destinations. ;-)
Or even more radical ... just use numbers for time and location :)
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Even something as simple as identifying the local time given some sort
of location identifier becomes unreliable when local variations of
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coding system' for the physical location can be used to display the
raw numbers? But for readability, just as OLC does, one uses the town
and country and simply provide a GPS location limited to that area. A
bit like 'national grid' in the UK
> Cheerio John
>
> On 11
e thoroughfare elements may be additional to the postcode itself,
so 10 characters is never enough.
Open Location Code lacks the ability to handle multi-story housing. It
only gets you to the apartment block. This is an area where OSM still
needs some more work.
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structure given all of the secondary tagging to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driver and the like.
But where lakes - natural and man-made - have navigation routes through
many of the waterway tags also apply but this has been another area of
discussion to map t
a even if we currently tag it as
leisure=marina without any agreement as to just what area that should cover.
It's the insistence that water only applies to natural elements which
just does not fit properly, and man_made=reservoir while much more
accurate does not fit in with a consistent
features. And the
Idea that natural=water should wrap what are quite clearly man made
waterway features just reinforces that and while the effects are small,
many parts of the world even 'coastline' is now a man made construction.
But the 'tags' list is probably the p
hen as a group simply fails to display
properly ... but here is not the place to be complaining :)
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> You will also need to consider bus lanes as well.
Complicated by selective operating times and contraflow problems :)
I got caught out by that going to SOTM at Birmingham ... OSMAND was
telling me where to turn ...
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I don't think this third party activity is helpful to
> OSM! In the first instance I have no intention of contributing to
> bitcoin since I think it's main reason for existence is to hid scammers
> and until that secrecy is removed ... I will not be signing up ...
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OSM! In the first instance I have no intention of contributing to
bitcoin since I think it's main reason for existence is to hid scammers
and until that secrecy is removed ... I will not be signing up ...
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style service, but currently only the OSRM layer is working fully. I'm
at the pink square stage on the tile server ... and need to pay the
bills so don't have time to 'start again' with a new framewor
be added directly to the
database and the Starbucks finder is a particularly good example!
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;holland' then 'starbucks', but of cause the 'holland'
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the two units may split again. I presume
that both already have their own address entries anyway?
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not be useful, but
just that 'importance' is difficult to gauge if you don't know what the
user expects to see?
(An the pigging change of motorway colour really does not help a new
user in the UK! One can not readily distinguish the motorways around
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individual postal addresses, or just the building?
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olution ?
And of cause why rely on some optical barcode marking when a wireless
based tag would be better. May need to change the battery every few
years, but it only need to be in receive mode until a drone is in range
... with a button to 'sync' location with base ...
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rect mat can be identified. As has already been
pointed out on the discussions on these droids, it only works when there
is a single story dwelling. Add 100 flats with one front door on a busy
street ... but personally I think there will be more losses due to
droids being intercepted in flight?
rdinates before you can convert that TO a
w3w title. If the mapping system is only accurate to 10mts your android
drone has a selection of targets. I've just looked up my own address in
the UK and depending on which map overlay I select I got four different
answers, some the next door addresses.
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ne? As with the current discussion, key
elements need a few ground rules, but that does not prevent additional
data being added via extra tags. The rule about not tagging for renderer
or router works both ways since one may need to add information that
can't easily b
ction should be 'Take slip road onto Axx'
and that in my book is where the _link information has an important
element but could also be a second tag. However like
'highway=residential', 'highway=trunk_link' is a shorthand that works at
many levels ... but should the lin
er is secondary, tertiary and unclassified roads in many
areas of the world have the same importance, so rendering them
drastically differently is a mistake!
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ad, so trials may well have missed numerous examples of where
something that looks good for a few limited examples fails in the wider
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m now looking to
extend that into the icon map for my own rendering. While the styling
for OSM is quite complicated it can easily be broken down into
manageable elements such as road colours, or icon library, so switching
elements is not particularly difficult once one has a working local
rendering
ilding is an office,
shopping_mall or retail premise, and once again, the amenity provided is
the job function. The estate agent is next to the chemist's shop in the
same building, so tag the building 'retail', and each unit with is
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> * Major rewrite of road and railway rendering, as part of Mateusz
> Konieczny's Google Summer of Code project. See
BUGGER I still haven’t got the backup system working and now all my UK
stuff is screwed up :(
This really does not work!
re was a more general agreement for the
change.
But I have no doubt other sources will become live if the change goes
ahead with their own style of map key ...
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opy, and I still need to get a
proper tile cache working.
But what I do have working shows in house rendering is not at all
difficult. Just need to nail all the cludges in a simple to roll package
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future planned state. History is an inherent part of the current
'namespace'!
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rail-line-idea-be-back-on-track.html
is a current item on my own pet 'abandoned railway' ... and the
preserved railway is fast approaching from he south ...
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Service
roadsigns show 'Aston
Subedge' and 'Weston Subedge' mixed with 'Weston-Sub-Edge'.
Old maps consistently use the 'Subedge' second half and that incudes
what started the fun ... the map showing the 'Weston Subedge Halt' on
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On 11/09/15 01:27, Warin wrote:
> I'll be putting a block on any more messages with the subject containing
> Fw:important
The buggers are using several subjects, multiple probably hacked relay
sites, but all ending at the same crap. Just need that site closing down?
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