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have to go and find every way which uses that node and update it to use
the new version of the node. So it costs CPU time every time a node
is changed.
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(in the EU) Database Right kicks in and prohibits substantial
extraction.
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On 09/09/09 11:55, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 09/09/09 11:46, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Jonathan
Bennettopenstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:
There's a difference between using one fact from a newspaper article,
and systematically extracting data from a database to reuse
a street sign on a picture, not
copying the picture.
Which has exactly what to do with the question I answered, which
concerned copying facts from databases?
As it happens there is a problem with my answer which I'm about to
correct, but it isn't anything to do with photos.
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to that - it graphs things that change in
real time but for something like this you want to look at daily or
weekly numbers over a long period.
Monthly stats for some lists are sent to Andy which I think he includes
in his graphs which are on the wiki somewhere?
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Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and Thunderbird has an add-on
which adds the command [1].
Thunderbird 3 has it built in.
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change it, but then in six months we'll have a flood of
complaints from the other side of the argument so I really don't see the
point. Just learn to live with both setups. I did long ago.
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here but I do have the master password so can in theory change any list.
I don't plan to however - I plan to let list owners decide.
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On 02/09/09 18:51, Peter Körner wrote:
Tom Hughes schrieb:
On 01/09/09 23:02, Pieren wrote:
I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM
if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks
like the worst form of vandalism.
As an admin
for such a system however.
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signs). Certainly four segments of the A816 are listed in the
data Morwen got from the DfT describing the primary route network.
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On 01/09/09 10:13, Lester Caine wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 01/09/09 09:16, Lester Caine wrote:
2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk route to a primary route
which CURRENTLY is probably correct ... except -
I think that it would be useful to designate
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk
On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least
some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being
primary A roads with green signs).
Indeed:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/916074
can't possibly personally determine who is right in any
particular case, nor can I set any sort of quorum as to how big the
lynch mob on the mailing lists needs to be to trigger action because I
can't know if they are people with a legitimate grievance or are indeed
just a lynch mob.
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On 28/08/09 09:24, John Smith wrote:
2009/8/28 Thomas Woodgrand.edgemas...@gmail.com:
Accounts spamming are banned.
They're usually caught in good time by our master admin.
Why not make use of crowd sourcing?
What do you mean exactly?
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shown as the A102 for the whole
length from the junction with the A12/A13 to the north to the junction
with the A2 to the south.
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In fact I can't find any map which shows either the tunnel or the
approach roads as the A102(M) - they all shown as the A102 for the whole
length from the junction with the A12/A13 to the north to the junction
with the A2 to the south.
I have now found
definition of trunk (ie the roads to be tagged as highway=trunk)
is wider and includes everything which is part of the Primary Route
Network, ie all green signed A roads.
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Umm... Like the geocoding mailing list you mean? The one that was
created after discussion with the interested parties at SOTM...
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somebody official (ie the foundation) that ordinary users
are not able to do. Hopefully people will be more likely to respond to
such communication to explain what they are doing which can help
determine whether there is in fact a problem with the data.
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On 18/08/09 11:18, Peter Miller wrote:
On 18 Aug 2009, at 10:30, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 18/08/09 09:27, Peter Miller wrote:
Andy mentions that copyright violation needs to go to the Data
Working
Group. Why? Sure the foundation needs a log of action of copyright
violations, but I don't see
On 17/08/09 10:52, Alexander Menk wrote:
can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ?
We've been over this many times - it is not appropriate to
unconditionally add a a link that will not work for most people.
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On 13/08/09 16:50, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns wrote:
Also unicode CLDR is good source.
http://cldr.unicode.org/
My reading of the terms of use says we probably can't use it as it
requires that the copyright notice remains attached to any copies of the
data.
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that they've been doing it wrong for the last five
years and should start retagging everything according to some new scheme
then the process is broken.
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/fragmentation-needed ...
What part of out of our control did you not understand?
Yes indeed those should not be blocked, and as the firewall in question
is run by professionals I would imagine they have it right. None the
less, it is not something we have any control over.
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Is it possible to publish the IP addresses he is making the edits
from?
No.
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have not been read) and subtracting the number
of new messages from the total gives you -3 old messages ;-)
I'll commit a fix to make it ignore deleted messages when working out
the new messages.
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are actually studying the
title bar of the browser while they pan around the map? and the
potential to impose a significant load on the server is high.
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better recently though.
That number must be plucked out of thin air though - there is no
reasonable way that JOSM can know how long it will take. I've never seen
a changeset take anywhere near that long to apply though.
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issues will mainly come into play if you want to do anything
that requires cross-checking the point cloud against the trace list to
determine what user owns it and/or whether it is public or not.
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On 28/07/09 12:36, Shaun McDonald wrote:
On 28 Jul 2009, at 12:15, Tom Hughes wrote:
The start point in the trace table, which isn't very useful, could be
replaced by a bounding box to allow bbox queries - that's something that
I have been thinking about doing for a while.
I thought
the
mailing list did not exist and the impo...@osmfoundation.org alias was
the address for the working group.
That is still the address for the WG but following a request at SOTM
there is now a mailing lists for general public discussion of imports as
well.
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it doesn't validate the input properly) it treated
everything as a create.
Basically it supports osmChange and you gave it osm or vice versa - the
details escape me right now.
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then that is obviously fine; but if
somebody on the other side of the world emails him saying X keeps
making bad edits, can you revert them then he will decline as he has no
way of knowing the background to the situation or who is right.
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the easy part - the hard thing is establishing the authority
to do the revert. In other words the question of who gets to decide that
an edit is bad and should be reverted.
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is to use the page/printer setup options in your browser and/or
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That's entirely a browser thing though, so different browsers may not do
exactly the same thing.
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it produce better
output then please do so...
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uploading files, and I don’t remember seeing what came of that.
impo...@openstreetmap.org
I don't think that address will go anywhere...
Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps?
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are blocked from
downloading and uploading any data. If you use one of those versions
affected, please update as soon as possible.
How is the block achieved? Nobody has asked me to block anything on the
server...
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the job of the person or application that reports the bug is just
to document the problem. It's up to the person that decides to deal with
it to decide what to do about it and what application they want to use
to fix it.
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an error for those
expect headers and it has been turned on for a while now.
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for ODBC Drivers error '80040e4d'
[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Too many client tasks.
/index.asp, line 3
Then I suggest you improve your noticing skillz. That quite clearly
says they went with the cheap option of Access, not SQL/Server.
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list asking people to check the fuel stations near.
The question, its more about the license of the source rather than the import.
...and that it would be better to group them into a small number of
changesets instead of creating one for each node.
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It's live now anyway.
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it interacts with the way you
create the original key images?
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difference on other sites is that their search box is much
more prominent)
Because it works. Ours doesn't for practical purposes - once that is sorted
we can think about moving it.
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to show places where the tags of the way stayed the same but the shape
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at that just now I see that the relation for that
branch has been extended all the way down to Broxbourne station rather
than terminating at Broxbourne Junction where it joins the main line and
I'm wondering if that is the best thing to do?
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On 5 Jun 2009, at 10:19, Tom Hughes wrote:
Incidentally, looking at that just now I see that the relation for
that branch has been extended all the way down to Broxbourne station
rather than terminating at Broxbourne Junction where it joins the main
line and I'm
are close enough together that is.
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tags you
can add so it's entirely up to you whether you add an ele tag to something.
I would only expect to see it on things like mountain peaks or other
objects where the elevation is of some specific interest, so in most
areas you download you probably won't see any.
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was doing 28 yesterday, unless he changed his
mind about what to do?
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was that we should use tertiary for any grid roads
that aren't primary/secondary and not use it at all within the blocks in
general - just use unclassified for the more major roads in the blocks.
What do other people think?
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as distributor roads and internal roads in each block
which are only intended for getting in to/out of that block from the
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is uncacheable (and hence requires much higher
bandwidth outgoing from the core servers) and much more fragile than the
diffs, it is not obvious that we should put what would undoubtedly be a
huge amount of effort into creating and maintaining such a system rather
than into doing other things.
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
It's a completely insane solution though. It we want to do it we
should just do it properly in the database not fart around with stupid
hacks in the rails code that break as soon as any updates are not done
via rails.
Assuming for a moment
and then as soon your client disconnects for a second you've lost a
ton of edits and you have no way to resync.
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Anybody trying such a stunt will be liable to summary blocking when
caught however.
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Niklas Cholmkvist wrote:
Does anyone know if the first method I mentioned(export method) really
puts less load on the main openstreetmap server?
No. Exporting OSM data just redirects to the same API call that JOSM
uses to download data.
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about that. I shall drop what I'm doing and rush
over and establish a priority upload channel for you.
Look people, we have new servers and software and we are working to tune
them and resolve various issues. Please be patient and stop all this
moaning in the mean time...
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this in the medium term (help welcome no
doubt). Meanwhile I'll add it to the FAQ on the wiki.
Maybe we should remove the Export tab when it is out of commision?
Yes, because the users of all the other export modes that aren't
dependent on the mapnik database would love that.
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Steve Chilton wrote:
I am afraid I don't know the answer. Yahoo surely have all the imagery, but
presumably have chosen to release this random coverage to OSM.
Eh? We're using their standard imagery, not some special OSM released
subset...
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not mean
that it shouldn't be considered for the future.
Yes, but the real problem is that, in my experience at least, HDOP is
pretty much meaningless. Whenever I get way out points from my GPS units
they seem to have an entirely normal HDOP value.
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the record to the database before we can rename the file to it's
final name, but the importer deliberately ignores any recently added
files to avoid triggering that.
My best guess is that the delay isn't long enough under particular load
conditions and that we may need to increase it.
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With the rest of the stuff split out:
Do you think that, just possibly, having to change the tagging on every
single road in the database to implement your scheme might make it just
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the you have the XML data? or have
you loaded it into a relational database - presumably you have if you
want to use SQL, but what schema are you using?
I'm guessing it is either the MySQL schema used by the API or the
postgis format used for mapnik rendering?
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is the equivalent for a company limited by guarantee
so it quite probably does have to be divulged on request, even to
non-members.
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of (a) not having support for country specific
schemes and (b) the main cartographer doing that layer being UK based.
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the style could
only change on the edge of a tile.
Then again, I'm not sure it works to be changing styles at a land border
anyway - it will look very odd if motorways suddenly change colour
because you've reached a border.
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country, or all the motorways in the world, might be substantial while
take 2.25% of nodes at random might not.
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so they really did behave like tabs. In which case I hate it ;-)
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is of course irrelevant to browser window size, unless
you're one of those weird web designers that seems to think everybody
runs their browser full screen all the time...
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